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It's so hard to beat a well played guitar through a sonorous amp. All I use for live now is a volume pedal, wah, Ethos, T Rex Replica and amp. No reverb. Let the hall itself do that! I haven't really tried the Ethos direct, but I've heard recordings of it that sound great. For me, it's 400 of the best spent dollars ever and I've spent a LOT of money over time. I have a very old Ibanez UE400 multi effects device that I wish I could find a foot controller for. It sounded GREAT! I know Dr No from Bad Brains used one too. That and the old Roland GR300 and blue floor module could summon the banshees. Having said all that, I've heard recordings from this list that I like that were heavily effected by modern digital multi effects units. Often I discover it's a Eventide Orville or some very high powered device. I suspect that any device run through a great singing amp will sound good. The big issue is the A/D converters, too much dithering and all that stuff. Analogue summing really helps. Richard Sales Sent from my IPad www.glasswing.com On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:41 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote: > Yes man the Ethos is the best preamp ive tried so far going directly > into the board! > even better i run it through a little compact 60 watt AER acoustic > guitar amp and then into the board man with my gretsch through those > what a sound! > and portable enough to take in the train,plus your back spine will > smile again,thats why my 50 watt koch sits in my room ever since! > i m with Bill,i think im done with the multi fx proccessors thing,is a > bit tiresome having to travel through menus to tweak simple and > essential things like EQs in patches, > i ve had multi fx proccesors for years,my first one the korg A3 and > then the the Roland GP100 which i kept ofr a long long time,the i > finally updated to a GT 10 > but recently i realized that it had been collecting dust and ive gone > back to basics,one tone and fx,perhaps the fact that ive been playing > acoustic guitar for a few years now has made me strip down. > So i ended up selling my GT10 and right now im happy with a basic > setup, the ethos preamp and the M9. > On the software side i have to say though that im impressed with > guitar rig,though ive always been hardware i actually like the guitar > tones better than all of those hardware mulit fx proccessors, > If i run it through the rme 400 and then directly into the board and > setup the buffer size correctly i get no dramatic latency issues and > it makes a great guitar amp emulator and proccessor, > though ive still yet to try it live! > Luis > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:55 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> > wrote: >> As a fellow tone snob I feel your pain, I'm still stuck in hardware >> mode >> and I'm able to do what you want with out involving a computer, but >> there >> are few hardware choices available that can do multiple loops and mine, >> the >> LP-1 is currently out of production and the roland rc 50 has been >> discontinued. When the time comes for me to move to software I will >> still >> continue to use a small hardware front end and smaller floor looper as >> both >> a safety net and also because I still prefer analog, even solid state >> over >> modeling for guitar tones. To wit, my Custom Tones Ethos preamp >> offers a >> scant two channels of guitar tone, essentially a clean and a dirty >> channel >> with an extra boost on the dirty channel, but it has an excellent >> speaker >> emulator output, so I can get great guitar tones even if I have to run >> direct. Its like a dumble amp in a box, and I'm fortunate enough to have >> played a few in my time. Effects are another matter as i can really see >> putting a lap top to good use with both pre and post effects. Right now >> I >> tend to have my effects pre loop when playing live and honestly I like >> the >> fact that my ethos and M-9 and timefactor and other effects are easy to >> change on the fly, the frustration I have found with all in one >> modeling/effects amps is how clumsy they have tended to be when needing >> to >> change eq and parameter settings on the fly. To much bass for the room? >> what >> are you going to do, tweak every preset you have created each time you >> move >> to a new one? i think the new modeling amp choices are much better than >> when I was using them , and they have addressed a number of these >> issues, >> but they still feel and sound a bit flat to my ears. Plus I'm a bit >> tired of >> endless menus, and LCD screens. Time spent editing effects parameters >> and >> learning new platforms is time not making music, and currently I'm more >> interested in making music with the tools I have, which as of yet have >> not >> proved limiting. So if I was making the leap, I think i'd keep as much >> analog front end as possible, but keep it simple, and use a combo of >> Abelton >> and Mobius, becaues cool people in the know said so, and because Jeff >> Larson has a dog almost as cute as mine , and what ever cool plugs I >> could >> get my hands on, I would start to integrate...slowly. I'd start with >> some >> Expert Sleepers stuff, because Os makes cool plugins, and I'd become >> an >> absolute pest to many of you on this list. >> Bill >> >> > > > > -- > www.luis-angulo.com >