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If using a looper that allows quantized substituting and speed shifting that can be used create a bassline in the looper, out of playing in the normal non-bass register. Here is such a live looping improvisation I did with a flute. You can clearly hear how the first loop is created (beat-boxing), how it is then speed shifted up an octave and into double-speed. The second loop is then created, on a parallel track, by two quick licks through a sixteenth note grid dynamic mute processing and finally speed shifted down an octave to become the bass line. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4963264/flute_fractals.mp3 I started developing these live looping techniques on the EDP, fiddled around with on on laptop with Augustus Loop hosted in Live until finally finding the best looping tool in Mobius on laptop. The Line6 DL4 is a nice stompbox looper that allows a bit of this. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen