Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping

["Stephen Goodman" <spgoodman@earthlight.net>]

You don’t have to be an old fart to appreciate the originals, you just have to have good taste!

 

From: richard sales

Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:06 AM

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping

 

Delta blues?  I'm talking about Robert Johnson, Blind Willie Johnson,  John Hurt, Fred McDowell, Charlie Patton etc.  All great, with Robert Johnson being one of the greatest songwriters that ever lived. And a terrifyingly good guitarist to boot - esp if you consider what EVERYONE else was doing at the time.  He was sort of the Jimi Hendrix of the late 20's early 30's. 

 

Not talking about the new clean washed stuff. 

 

It's the foundation.  Out of this came R&B, which married Country and Western and Southern Appalachian music and became Rock and Roll.   Being a very old fart, I have enormous respect for the Originals.  Not rational, I'm sure!

 

Haven't heard Frisell's Beatles covers yet.  I'm not sure how interested I am in it either.  I'm more fascinated with original voices, ideas, creations - hence the fascination with Delta Blues, which was extremely original... along with Mountain Music etc. 

Fortunately, it's a very big world with huge divergent tastes.  Mine just travels along that vein, having come from and grown up in that area.  Same area Frisell comes from. 

 

Hope you're feeling better.  I dissolved around age 40.  It was terrifying.  But after that, life kind of really began for me.  It does get better - much better.  Have faith.

 

R
Richard Sales

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On Feb 5, 2012, at 11:44 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Wow, with all these recommendations from all these wonderful inventive loopers, I might have to put "checkin him out" a bit higher in my list. I just cant imagine Micheal Karoli or Keith Levine or one of MY fave guitarists doin a beatles tune in (a very cleverly played)  obscured by jazz holocaust way... I love the Beatles and them tunes get played in all manner of awful abortions, and.. jeeeez this was close to one of the worst.
Why do Jazz versions always have to be so incredibly A) difficult and B) Cheezy?
Of course theres good Jazz, I love some Davis and Corea and Coltrane (Alice) and Supersilent...  but theres also BAD JAZZ--- Thats Muzak...

Hey Richard you said Delta Blues, Jazz and Funky Music.. as if all those things were somehow keys to "The City of Good Taste."
Whats Delta Blues...? Any old minimal scratchy recording... of a slide guitarist gets called Delta Blues, Jazz can be anything, from good to terrible and Funky music? Did you say Funky? Like as in Lipps Inc. – Funky Town or Prodigy – Funky Shit. Funky just means.. "What I like to dance to"  Am I right? OK

Im certainly NOT critisising this man, I already said what I liked about this clip and Im saying up front that I know nothing about him.. But his name crops up with such regularity on this list that I guess I have a duty to go off and check him out, its just that that THIS one clip wasnt the mind-blowing experience I had expected... I suspect hes a bit like Torn right? I have to admit that watching David Torn in one of these hundreds of New Jazz trios with his (oh so experimental) feedback, also does NOTHING for me... however, I have heard LOTS of Torn that puts him into a very interesting place.. Splattercell for example... I hope Frissel is the same...

Oh and Bill, yeah sorry about the Anti Fender quip... Actually its only Teles I dont like.. nasty crashy sound... Strats on the neck pickup or with that wiring fiddle thingy (Shadows sound) are awesome, (Did I type awesome? Yikes!) and Hendrix made 'em sound pretty decent... I guess I just have sour grapes, never been able to afford a "proper" guitar, a life full of Ibanez is gonna make a man pretty bitter I spose...

Oh... and Ive been off work for 3 weeks with depression and stress, had some kind of break-down or burn-out.. so that might have made me a bit grumpy too...

mark

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

Check out FLoratone.  One of the greatest records of the past ten years.  Like Kind Of Blue with a dash of Telecaster.  Dennis Chambers on drums.  Truly wonderful, IMHO.

Frisell is not a guitar showboat.  He's more of a composer.  And he has cool roots in Delta Blues, jazz, funky music of all stripes.   I'm a recent convert of his stuff.  Only know a little bit.

It's not the guitar playing necessarily that catches me.  It's the whole man that comes through the music that speaks to me.  The guitar is just the vehicle for the imagination of the whole man.

That's different!  I love 'different'.

I care more about imagination than guitar chops, or even tones.  And.. I care a lot about tones.

Fender Deluxe is not my fave amp and he uses it a lot.  But on Floratone the tones are terrific.  And I've seen some live stuff that was quite tasty tonally.

Haven't had time to check this (the topic's original message) clip out.  Traveling!  Will do when I get home.

love the debate!

Richard Sales
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On Feb 5, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Petri Lahtinen <kollegavalmentaja@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dont want to troll here, but comparing Frisell and muzak in the same
> sentence is just... too much. :-D
>
> This guy is just amazing, his playing moves me every time hear it.
> There's this really soothing quality in the way in he plays. Thank you
> for sharing this gig with the list.
> Downloaded the audio immediately.
>
>
> 2012/2/5 chaz worm <chaz@earthwormandfire.com>:
>> I liked the fact that he finally at the end did one of my fav beatles songs.
>> Up til that point I didn't care for the Muzak jazz voicings of Beatles
>> classics.
>> I really liked what he did with Strawberry Fields. The backwards looping was
>> awesome.
>>
>> Heres a clip of my little brother utilizing my loop machine playing my
>> favorite Beatles song.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKSX9ZNJdk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Gareth Whittock <buddhamachine@live.co.uk>
>> wrote:
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>> Weirdly, I liked the tone of the guitar but didn't like what he played.
>>
>>
>> Gareth Whittock, sound artist: garethwhittock.co.uk
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mark@markfrancombe.com
>> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 03:14:32 +0100
>> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell a master at work.. some great use of looping
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> I know nothing about him either, and cant say I am in the slightest bit
>> interested, but obviously a very talented musician. Whats wrong with the
>> guitar sound? I thought his insanely accurate fingering combined with that
>> nice neck pickup sound was lovely, there was a flick to bridge pickup on the
>> last chard of Nowhere man that I thought was a mistake... Admittadly the
>> sound aint that "stratty", but in my book that was a good thing... could
>> have been worse tho, could have been a tele...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> M
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>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not an expert regarding this musician's work. Do you guys think
>> Frisell himself likes that guitar sound he was playing on? Or maybe he
>> just cares more about the playing?
>>
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.perboysen.com
>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>
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>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>> My guess had been some form of Line6 looper based on the clicks.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Per Boysen wrote:
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>>>> It sounded like the freeze pedal and a a looper that does revers and
>>>> double speed (he used no other intervals beside the octave). Maybe a
>>>> Rang or DL4? If he used an EDP he might one would have expected to
>>>> hear some wider "manglement".
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>>
>>>> Per Boysen
>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Mark Hamburg <mark@grubmah.com> wrote:
>>>>> Do we know what pedals he is using?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> he loves the freeze pedal
>>>>>
>>>>> Teddy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Anders Bergdahl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.npr.org/event/music/146156479/bill-frisell-tiny-desk-concert
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> --
> Petri
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