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Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice. Glad the set works. R On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: > Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky. > > Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. And I > bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do the > real > work with incoming MIDI from the LG. > > Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the abstract > about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and > panel-bound. > But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have not > come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a *routing* > issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment texts, > the > updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the > manual > and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work in > the > Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in any > way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. Was > not > at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife > keeps > popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just > 'pick up > the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol ) > > SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue, > rather > than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and still > not > found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution ! > > And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in > Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote prefs in > the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. Your > explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D Maybe you > should write their manuals :) > > So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also > benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we > ever > do before the interweb? > > Phil :D > > > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham > <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Sent >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham >> <rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote: >> > yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send >> > on the ableton set to both of you. >> > >> > r >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger >> >> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And Per, regarding this: >> >>> >> >>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and >> >>> feed it >> >>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. " >> >>> >> >>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you >> >>> clarify? >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in >> >> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the >> >> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the >> >> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will >> >> be >> >> explained in that box) >> >> >> >> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin >> >> hosted >> >> in Ableton Live. >> >> >> >> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port. >> >> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for >> >> this >> >> time. >> >> >> >> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's >> >> mixer >> >> into the Plugin. >> >> >> >> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI >> >> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync" >> >> tab. >> >> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a >> >> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there >> >> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and >> >> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you >> >> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to >> >> pass >> >> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there >> >> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI >> >> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky >> >> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your >> >> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that >> >> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical >> >> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing) >> >> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output >> >> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs. >> >> >> >> Happy looping! >> >> >> >> Per >> >> >> >