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Re: Re: Re: loops with a drummer?
Ill just add my 2 pennys here.
I had 10 years with a band where we almost always had a backing tape with various elements, and we needed a way to play to them. I also discussed this with many, many bands (often because they couldn't "get it" how we could play to a backing track and all be in synch.)
We tried click tracks in the monitors and personal mixing methods, but it ONLY came together when we used a stereo tape, the left side was a Musically nice percussion element, often a drum-machine version of the drummers high-hat pattern and the right hand side contained the musical (or loop) element. (obviously NOT mixed left and right in the FOH)
On stage the perc side was louder, specificaly to the drummer, (the musical side was often really deep cellos or industrial loops that would fully distort most crappy club monitors, and needed them for vocals. But out front the perc side was totally muted... If however the punters at the front should hear it, it blended in quite nicely.
Im sure that a drummer with REALLY GREAT in ear monitors could do well, but its dangerous, the tinny plink of a typical metronome sound would KILL a drummers hearing after a few shows, and the volume and MUSH of most venues stage sound, would cause it to become annoying and irrelevant.
If you design the "click" so it fits with the music and play it, then you find tat you naturally play WITH it, rather than TO IT. Trying to PLAY TO an annoying Plink plonk plonk plonk plink plonk plonk plonk is un-natural and just causes drift IMHO... playing to a musical and rhythmic percussion part is the way to go...
(now listen to Cranes and see how many songs start with drums.. ha ha!! Yep.. most of them !!!)
Mark
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