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Tyler, If your definition of a concept is too general, it ceases to be a useful definition (it doesn't allow us to pick out instances of that concept apart from everything else). If you want to say that repeating the name Amadeus in a song is looping, I'm not going to argue with you. However, I will not adopt your definition... everything becomes looping under that definition, and talking about looping ceases to be intrinsically interesting... it's like talking about any kind of music but by using a term made meaningless by being too inclusive. Are you confusing repetition and looping? Sylvain