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I think we're going to need some sub clarification to keep this conversation going so others can join in a logical fashion. 1. Pitch in Hz for overall tuning, 440Hz, 432Hz, 444... Why standard? Science? 2. Tunings themselves as ratios of the harmonics of the octave and how they effect the intonation of an instrument and cause microtonal qualities to emerge 3. Micro tonality as a technique to transcend the ''limitations'' of tuning, slides, bends, whammy bar 4. How this can be applied to looping to create interesting music thanks, I've really enjoyed the wisdom and knowledge on this forum -Ben -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, November 16, 2012 1:31:10 am To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "andy butler" <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: A = 440 Hz OR 432 Hz? Daniel Thomas wrote: > Its true that Western ears hear so called micro-tunings as out of tune. Agree: yes, even some of those who play "out" music. It's just unfamiliarity, (it took me years to "get" Thai classical music.) Disagree: church organ, violin/viol family, choral, orchestra(if no piano involved) none of those play in equal temperament, and they aren't known for out of tuneness. It's a "textbook/academic thing" that equal temperament is(or was ever) ubiquitous, not even Bach used it. andy