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I think Rick has already written a very extensive primer on this subject. Should be in the archives if those are still working. I think one of the basic takeaways was use real hi-hat if possible. I think Rick said he actually used to get paid to play hi hat over programmed beats. But I won't speak any more for Rick and will instead point to the archives (but I'm not having any luck searching them at this point.) Kevin On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:44 AM, richard sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote: > A bottomless pit! > I use NI Maschine to program and Steven Slate Drums Platinum for sounds. > Excellent sort of pop rock and roll sounds. Takes a fair bit of EQ work > for > other styles. > > I tried using my old SP12 as a drum controller but the latency was pretty > noticeable when triggering MIDI notes. I had to slip all the notes > forward > to compensate for the lag. > > Maschine and Slate Drums work great for fairly straight forward stuff. > > I do think the best solution is some kind of V / electronic Drums etc > triggering the MIDI stuff. > > One thing I'm thinking about is hiring remote drummers to do tracks on V > Drums, or deriving MIDI data from their tracks (Trigger, Drumagog) and > doing > drum replacement where needed. Not sure what a good remote drummer > costs, > though. > > I see opportunity here, Mr. R Walker! > > I think the new Ableton can derive MIDI from analog now too. More > utilitarian bang for the buck. > > AS Simeon said, you can also step program. Kontakt has a good step > programmer, although I haven't really used it yet - just tinkered a bit. > > richard sales > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.goodnaturefarms.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:18 AM, Steven Clements wrote: > > I recommend Toontracks Superior Drummer. > > There's lots you can do for realistic sounding drums and you can even use > their midi drum beats as a start. > > > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You're right that it is "endlessly time consuming" to fake a live >> drummer. Learning to do the programming right is only step one, then >> you need to set the sound right and mix it dynamically. Oh man, what >> time consuming activities! I'm wondering why so many people put so >> much time into faking something when there are loads of other just as >> cool drumming approaches? Just imagine a crappy 505 or 606 with edgy >> sound attitude! About a thousand times as easy to make good than >> faking a live drummer. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.perboysen.com >> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote: >> > Hi folks >> > >> > I'd like to lay down somewhat realistic acoustic drums for song >> > writing >> > purposes (pop ballads, funk, latin, world) in home recording >> > environment. >> > Currently, I program drums in Logic Pro. I also have an acoustic drum >> > set at work where I can play basic drum grooves that reasonably ok. >> > However, I don't have a good sounding kit and have no experience >> > whatsoever with drum micing. >> > >> > My current approach is basically similar to this: >> > http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep10/articles/drum-prog.htm >> > First, I lay down basic patterns in Logic Ultrabeat. Then, I tweak the >> > timing in piano roll. Last - and this is the most time consuming part >> > - I >> > tweak velocities, create ghost notes, rolls in HyperEdit mode. >> > >> > How should I proceed next? >> > My current thoughts: >> > >> > A. >> > Get a real hi-hat machine + snare, set them up with mics. (e-drum >> > cymbals never sound realistic enough for me, don't like snares on >> > e-drums >> > either for funky stuff). >> > For the rest, use e-drum kick pedals, pads etc. >> > >> > B. >> > Go the software road (i.e. Superior Drummer) and dive deeper into drum >> > programming. >> > >> > With drum programming, I can get fairly realistic results. I'm very >> > flexible, can start with basic patterns and can refine/change things >> > over >> > time. However, the process is time consuming & seemingly endless... >> > >> > With real drum set, there is the beauty of playing immediately the >> > right >> > groove with a gut feeling. However, the home recording environment >> > (space, >> > neighbours) and the mic set-up can be tricky. >> > >> > I know the best solution is to get a real drummer in a studio >> > environment. But laying down stuff quickly (still realistically as >> > possible) >> > is more important than having the perfect drum track. >> > >> > Would like to hear your experience & advice on this subject. >> > >> > best regards >> > Buzap >> > >> > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)