Re: How to play bass track with guitar ?

[Nilesh Trivedi <nilesh.tr@gmail.com>]

This is a very useful discussion, folks.

I was expectingto use the octaver effect on Line6 Pod HD500 for this but found out that it really falls short. Would like to try out Boss OC-3 or Micro POG as I have heard good things about both.

About those double necks, doesn't it make it harder to play on either of those necks? I can't see it being totally comfortable (have never tried it).

cheers

nilesh

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Jean-Paul De Roover <j.de.roover@gmail.com> wrote:

I was using a neat pedal called the Morpheus DropTune (I think it's discontinued now). It was for people that like playing in different tunings without having to retune their strings, say from E standard to Db standard. It just shifts everything down in half step increments, but there was an octave option. AND, there was a blended octave function where you could have your original signal with the octave below. I use an acoustic guitar when I perform and that option gives my bass sound a bit of 'thwack' when I play it (fingered). But I think you're going to have to want to live with a sound that *isn't* a TRUE bass sound. Just embrace whatever it is that you create!

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Christophe <cburke55@comcast.net> wrote:

Sigh.  Back in the stone age I saw a movie poster of Elvis with a double necked Gibson SG style guitar with a regular six string neck and a six string bass neck.  I have coveted that guitar to this day!

Chris

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From: "Rusty Perez" <rustys.lists@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:03:37 AM

Subject: Re: How to play bass track with guitar ?

I have often thought of gtting a double neck guitar as well. Many
years ago, when I was maybe in my early teens, my father and I
wandered in to a music shop, a very small one, and they had a double
neck bass/guitar on display. Sometimes I wish I had been a spoiled
child who would ask, and get, everything because I wouled love to have
that instrument now.

But, another thought is a Squire VI. This is sortof an electric
baritone guitar. Tuned E-E but an octave lower than a standard guitar.
Sounds really cool! Then capo at the 12th fret to get normal pitch.

Rusty

On 12/12/13, marc@clubcapelli.com <marc@clubcapelli.com> wrote:
> oh guys, thank so much for all your fabulous answers!
> with all that I have everything to decide how to solve my problem to
> include bass in loops
>
> thank you to all !
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> Le 2013-12-12 10:47, andy butler a écrit :
>> How to play bass lines on guitar. for loopers.
>>
>> Depends on which guitar, and what you like.
>>
>> 1) Just play them on guitar. With a single coil neck p/u and sticking
>>    to the very lowest notes it does work quite well. Turn off any fx,
>> clean sound is best.
>>    May need a bit of thought to get a good sounding line to play in
>> your chosen key,
>>    probably not much fun in Eb.
>>    Then make sure there's nothing in the mix to destroy the illusion.
>> e.g. Don't strum a load
>>     of big chords over it, maybe think about switching p/u for the
>> other layers.
>>    2) Octave dividers. The best I've used is the Electro Harmonix
>> Octave Multiplexer.
>>     Gives you more controls to focus the sound and the dry signal
>> part can be
>>     mixed in with a high quality signal.
>>      I'm currently using the EH Bass Microsynth instead, good enough
>> with
>>      the right settings and produces other useful sounds too.
>>
>> 3) Harmonisers. Electro Harmonix, and I presume the other
>> manufacturers
>>    who care about such things now make harmonisers which can pitch
>> downwards
>>    with very little latency. They track sloppy playing better than an
>>    octave divider. Can't say I ever liked the sound much though.
>>
>> 4) Synth fx. Sometimes found on multi-fx units. I include these
>> because
>>    I've used one on the Vox VDL-1 Dynamic Looper for simple bass
>> lines
>>    and it seemed to really work ( the actual bass emulations on that
>> pedal
>>     are truly awful). Maybe the Pigtronix Mothership would work as a
>> bass line maker??
>>
>> 5) Half Speed playback. Best sound, as long as the playing is twice
>> as accurate as needed, and
>>   as long as guitar is bassy enough to start with.
>>
>> 6) Midi Guitar. Works for some. Hot tip is to actually play high
>> notes and
>>    have them transposed down by the synth to avoid latency.
>>
>> 7) Those Roland guitar synths. ( I haven't tried )
>>
>>
>> More generally.
>> It really helps to "think bass". (although these days not many bass
>> guitarists do this)
>> Concentrate on getting a deep tone, finger style if possible.
>> Play cleanly.
>> Be sure to end each note with clean damping to silence (the esoteric
>> secret which used to be passed on from player to player)
>> Stay in the low register.
>> Play only the notes that really need to be there.
>>
>> It really helps to leave space for the bassline by not putting low
>> notes
>> in the other layers, the lowest 2 strings on a guitar will tend to
>> interfere with it.
>> Also those guitar chords that start with root and fifth can be
>> avoided.
>> Obviously an equivalent use of eq to remove low and low mid is just
>> as good,.
>>
>> Out of all the methods, 2) Octave divider would be my favourite,
>> the 'think bass' tips help the effect to track.
>>
>> andy
>>
>> On 11/12/2013 23:25, Marc wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On some loops, it can be cool to have a bass part with the drum on
>>> the back,
>>> but switching from guitar to bass and return to guitar can be a
>>> little too
>>> long on stage.
>>> Did you have a solution to play a bass part with your guitar ?
>>> (I've tried with my HOG, and with Octavers/Harmonizers, it is far
>>> from a
>>> bass sound, even a synth bass sound...)
>>> Roland VG ?
>>> Sound to midi interface like http://www.sonuus.com/ G2M, connected
>>> in midi
>>> with a expander ?
>>> All your knowledge is welcome.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
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