From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 1 13:40:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA17143; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:40:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:40:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQ5WH0qaZxEOtP2gkypfE5CP+oVvwIUFu9AT18n6M1aOWzNo6EWZlcmWOc= From: Ambientronic@webtv.net (Scott Harrington) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:35:42 -0500 (EST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Help finding pedals Message-ID: <13205-368D157E-657@mailtod-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"kIFKo3.0.bz3.cKHZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi there, I need help trying to locate a phrase sampler pedal such as the boomerang. I've been interested in loops for about two years now and the only looper I've been using has been the dod dfx94 which I like but I want to do longer loops. I want to start performing live as a one man band because I've enjoyed playing for myself these last few years. I've been playing guitar for four and a half years now and my passion for loop based ambient rock has grown steadily since aquiring the dod pedal. Since I'm relatively new to longer based looping i would really appreciate it if someone could help me locate a used phrase sampler. I don't know what the going rates are or what some of the other models are besides the boomerang(which has me very impressed) . Any feedback would greatly help. When I play loops my mind goes into a meditative state and it really makes me feel good! Thanks! --Scott-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 1 14:50:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA26214; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:50:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990101194923.10210.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:49:23 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: Help finding pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"nQW9m2.0.YH6.XOIZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey, I use the Jamman and love it. I find it to be noisy in the studio though. I've also used the boomerang and it has many cool functions but it is also very noisy. I'm currently looking for a less noisy system for the studio so I can get these damn engineers off my back. Happy New Year Permadan ---Scott Harrington wrote: > > Hi there, I need help trying to locate a phrase sampler pedal such as > the boomerang. I've been interested in loops for about two years now > and the only looper I've been using has been the dod dfx94 which I like > but I want to do longer loops. I want to start performing live as a one > man band because I've enjoyed playing for myself these last few years. > I've been playing guitar for four and a half years now and my passion > for loop based ambient rock has grown steadily since aquiring the dod > pedal. Since I'm relatively new to longer based looping i would really > appreciate it if someone could help me locate a used phrase sampler. I > don't know what the going rates are or what some of the other models are > besides the boomerang(which has me very impressed) . Any feedback would > greatly help. When I play loops my mind goes into a meditative state > and it really makes me feel good! Thanks! > --Scott-- > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 1 15:23:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA30173; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:23:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:23:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <368D2D4E.5FFF@lwmarks.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:17:18 -0600 From: wilson marks Reply-To: wlson@lwmarks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: lexicon jam man Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BRNMU1.0.rH7.vtIZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello to all, I have a lexicon jam man for sale. It's in primo condition and has the 32-second chip already installed. It's home is a rack case with two extra spaces in it. This will go with it. I live in Texas and would be happy to send it (cash on delivery of course) to a lucky looper. Please let me know if you are interested. wilson marks From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 1 17:23:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12820; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:23:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:23:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:19:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Help finding pedals Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vgglh1.0.vy2.gcKZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com the zoom 508 has 4 seconds of delay and is programmable. might want to check one out. can be found for less than 100 bucks. the best thing about them is you can roll off the treble on the repeats so it sounds much more natural. hope this helps. PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 02:33:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA27497; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:33:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ninomori@entelchile.net (EDUARDO PABLO MIRANDA BRUNEL) To: Subject: How connect a multieffect to TASCAM 564 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 04:25:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01be363a$377e9c00$555f54ce@pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE3607.ECE42C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tg4tN3.0.ta6.ofSZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE3607.ECE42C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!!!: My question it's How I connect a multieffect (Addverb III by = peavey, in this case) to myTASCAM 564?. Obviously i read the owner's = manual first, but it's not clear enough about this section.I try to = connect the multieffect for so many ways, but nothing happens, so please = send some help!!!. Thank you!!! bye!!! ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE3607.ECE42C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE3607.ECE42C00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 08:57:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA03025; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:57:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:57:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901021345.NAA19957@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> From: "Tim Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 13:43:49 Reply-To: "Tim Walker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Noisy 'Rang? (off "help finding pedals") Resent-Message-ID: <"5FYh_1.0.nR.3BYZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi y'all, In one reply in the "help finding pedals" thread, I noticed the comment from PJ that the Boomerang Phrase Sampler is too noisy. Personally, I've never really noticed much background noise from my 'Rang, which I've owned since April '98 - indeed, I'm usually more worried about the noise from my Zoom 4040 multi-FX! IMHO, the 'Rang makes a great addition to a looping musician's setup, particularly as there aren't really any comparable units in its price range (now the JamMan isn't on Lexicon's books). I'm using it to record a CD of solo guitar/electronics improvisations, for release through MP3.com (within the next few months, hopefully); feel free to check out the sample tracks on my MP3.com page, many of which are based round 'Rang loops. Forgive the shameless plug for the MP3s, and I hope I've managed to balance the Boomerang argument a bit :-) Happy New Year to all LD'ers! Tim. *******************Tim Walker - Staines, UK******************* tawalker@dircon.co.uk - www.users.dircon.co.uk/~tawalker/ Visit Tim's NEW recordings page at MP3.com: *********************www.mp3.com/timwalker/******************* From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 10:35:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA16011; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:35:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:35:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990102113339.01006cd0@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:33:39 -0400 To: From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Gibson and Oberheim Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GjGXA2.0.ne3.3iZZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim and listers, IMO, it is not without reason that list members are skeptical about Gibson's commitment to deliver Oberheim products. FWIW -- I recently acquired an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro which I am quite happy with. As a result of this experience, I was motivated to look into other Oberheim products. But when I followed instructions at Oberhiem's web site, to "Just email cayers@gibson.com with your request for a catalog and reprint", I received the following message from my postmaster: >A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The >following address(es) failed: > > cayers@gibson.com: > unknown local-part "cayers" in domain "gibson.com" This by no means indicates some kind of catastrophic marketing failure on Gibson's part -- it's probably just carelessness. However, it is certainly not confidence inspiring -- especially when it occurs while we are hearing reports that, based on their past experience, a number of reputable music dealers are unwilling to order Oberheim products. Regards to all and best wishes for the New Year, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 10:34:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA15981; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:34:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:34:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901021530.HAA09326@crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Live looping in Austin, 1/2/99 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 99 09:33:11 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"5Wg_S2.0.Kg3.jiZZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For those of you in the Austin area, there will be a performance tonight with heavy looping content at the Electric Lounge (302 Bowie). Tiktok (solo ambient looping) will start at 9:45PM, and Futura (guitar, loops, bass, DJ) will begin at 10:30. CD's will be available at the show, or at Fringeware books (2817 Guadalupe). Hope to see you there, Travis Hartnett Tiktok, Futura From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 11:26:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA23121; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:26:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:26:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:21:07 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Pafford X-Sender: todd@galen.dyn.ml.org Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Help finding pedals In-Reply-To: <13205-368D157E-657@mailtod-272.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uvQC3.0.8U5.fUaZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Scott Harrington wrote: > Hi there, I need help trying to locate a phrase sampler pedal such as > the boomerang... > --Scott-- > Hi Scott, I had this same question myself a few days ago and found all the info I needed at http://www.boomerangmusic.com/rangDesc.htm. There's a link off of the main page that lists retailers that sell the 'Rang. Take a look, I'm sure you'll be able to find one near you. :) Happy Hunting. --- "If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite." -- William Blake Todd Pafford galen@erols.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 13:10:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03132; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:10:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:10:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <93c95863.368e556a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:20:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: How connect a multieffect to TASCAM 564 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"cM7bG1.0.FE7.0LbZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/2/99 1:35:00 AM Central Standard Time, ninomori@entelchile.net writes: << My question it's How I connect a multieffect (Addverb III by peavey, in this case) to myTASCAM 564?. >> are you trying to connect it into the effects loop? some Tascams have effects sends, but no returns... the returns are actually the little auxillary "stereo line inputs". if this is not the case, let me know what you are trying to do and I'll try to help (e-mail direct, not on the list). - Bill Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 15:25:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA20371; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:25:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:25:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990102201520.9079.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:15:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Jamman noise, was Re: Help finding pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"rl9oe2.0.xi4.hwdZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---dan sumner wrote: > > > hey, > I use the Jamman and love it. I find it to be noisy in the studio > though. I've found the Jamman to be extremely quiet, though the delay settings have a higher noise floor than the loop settings. The problem you may be experiencing could be due to an overloaded and noisy signal path *to* the jamman - which then loops and layers not only the *musical* content, but also any *noise* coming into it. Gain structure is always something of which to be aware. Also, I've found that most noise that you hear in a recording situation tends to disappear in the final mix. 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 18:07:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA05837; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:07:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:07:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:05:44 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Noisy 'Rang? (off "help finding pedals") Resent-Message-ID: <"sTtkk2.0.HH1.LMgZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:43 PM 1/2/99, Tim Walker wrote: >Hi y'all, > >In one reply in the "help finding pedals" thread, I noticed the comment >from PJ that the Boomerang Phrase Sampler is too noisy. Personally, >I've never really noticed much background noise from my 'Rang, which >I've owned since April '98 - indeed, I'm usually more worried about the >noise from my Zoom 4040 multi-FX! > I also don't think the that 'Rang is particularly noisy if you set up the gain structure correctly, which does take a bit of tweaking. When I added the Rang to the mess of pedals I run my bass through live, I didn't notice it adding any noise, though I admit to being considerably less than an audiophile concerning my live sound. The Rang does affect the sound, though. I notice my bass loses both some highs and lows when looped, and generally sounds a bit thinner. (the direct signal sounds fine). This is probably due to the Rang's low sampling frequency (8k? 11K? don't remember and, frankly, don't care that much). I personally like this effect, it tends to make the loops more distinct from my real-time playing, and generally makes the loops compete less with the unlooped bass. If I need higher-fidelity looping, I use my JamMan. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 22:43:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA05428; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:43:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:43:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990102201520.9079.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:38:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jamman noise, was Re: Help finding pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"1-2Z23.0.n81.yNkZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >93 > >---dan sumner wrote: >> >> >> hey, >> I use the Jamman and love it. I find it to be >noisy in the studio >> though. > >I've found the Jamman to be extremely quiet, though >the delay settings have a higher noise floor than the >loop settings. The problem you may be experiencing >could be due to an overloaded and noisy signal path >*to* the jamman - which then loops and layers not >only the *musical* content, but also any *noise* >coming into it. > >Gain structure is always something of which to be >aware. Also, I've found that most noise that you hear >in a recording situation tends to disappear in the >final mix. hmmm, these sorts of noise things are tricky. Sometimes it's setting gains properly, or wiring problems, or whatever. But often it's just subjective. What a meticulous recording engineer thinks is noisy through his Neve console and Genelecs may not be a problem for a guitarist who normally plays a strat in a cranked marshall with a six pack handy. It's always dependent on the context, and YMMV. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 2 22:47:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA06068; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:47:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:47:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990102113339.01006cd0@brooknorth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:31:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gibson and Oberheim Resent-Message-ID: <"CnvmZ.0.av.dHkZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hi Kim and listers, > >IMO, it is not without reason that list members are skeptical about >Gibson's commitment to deliver Oberheim products. It would be refreshing if people would try, say, picking up their telephone and finding out what the actual story is before screaming unfounded rumors all over the net and wasting a lot of people's time. I guess that's expecting a lot though. BTW, here are some numbers, if any of you feel like trying this some day: The toll free (only in the US) "Oberheim" number, which now goes directly to the Gibson Customer Support desk: (877) OBERHEIM or (877-623-7434). the main gibson number(s) 800-777-0795 (toll free, only in US) 800-444-2766 (toll free, only in US) (615) 871-4500 Mike Ayers extension# (available from the company directory at the above phone numbers): 382 gibson support email: relations@gibson.com >But when I followed instructions at Oberhiem's web site, to "Just email >cayers@gibson.com with your request for a catalog and reprint", I received >the following message from my postmaster: His correct email address is Mike Ayers . I believe it used to be "cayers", but was changed to "mayers" some time back. Looks like they forgot to update their web site with this. I guess we could inform them of the problem so that they might have the opportunity to fix it, although it seems unlikely that they will with the recent changes made to Oberheim. IMHO, it's a bit of a stretch to go from a failing email address to assuming conspiracies, massive neglect of niche products, malicious corporate attempts to injure the looping community, or other nefarious plans. When I got a bounce message like this a few months ago with the old address, I promptly called Mike, asked my question live and in real-time, and got his correct email address at the same time. It was quite easy! And if the day should come to pass that Mike Ayers is "no longer with us", as is often the case with customer support professionals in all industries, the next rational step is not the panicky chicken little manuever, but a simple inquiry as to who is now responsible for answering customer questions. >This by no means indicates some kind of catastrophic marketing failure on >Gibson's part -- it's probably just carelessness. However, it is certainly >not confidence inspiring -- especially when it occurs while we are hearing >reports that, based on their past experience, a number of reputable music >dealers are unwilling to order Oberheim products. But we're not hearing reports of that, we're hearing rumors of that. When pressed, we discover that the rumored info is based on shaky inferences, unsubstantiated info from some other unverified source, or based on something that happened two years ago rather than any current situation. The real info we have seen reported is that real people are buying real echoplexes from real gibson dealers without problems, except in the past few weeks when the christmas rush created a backorder. (As was reported by Mike Ayers from Gibson.) The problem here is not Gibson (or any other poor company that has to deal with the insanity of internet rumor spreading). The problem, as usual, is us. The upshot is, we can each try to be more responsible about we say on public forums, or through constant vigilence we can attempt to get others to do the same, or we all learn to be a bit more skeptical of info that comes to us with many capital letters and exclamation points. Now, once again (and I'm sure this will need to be repeated 9000 more times before it actually sinks in), here's the echoplex deal: The Gibson Musical Instruments product called the "Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro" has been switched to another Gibson division called "Electar." Thus, the Echoplex will most likely be renamed the "Electar Echoplex Digital Pro". Please try not to panic about this. The Electar Echoplex Digital Pro is exactly the same thing as the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro, aside from any modifications they may make to get CE approval in europe. (However, if this name change causes the resale value of original Oberheim units to skyrocket, I have a one-of-a-kind black faced Oberheim Echoplex prototype that I would be happy to trade for a small tropical island.) The Echoplex is still in production, exactly the same as it has been for quite some time, and still available from Gibson Dealers. This is a step up for this particular looping product, reflecting more attention on it by Corporate America, not less. Good, not bad. You folks in the UK can feel some sort of nationalistic pride, as the "Electar Echoplex Digital Pro" appears slated for manufacturing by the Trace-Elliot facility, also part of Electar/Gibson. The Electar office remains in Nashville, most of the previous Oberheim people can be found there. Moving the manufacturing is not expected to cause some horrible shortage in echoplexes, as the people running Electar are capable individuals who had the remarkable forsight to maintain the existing production facility until the new one is operating. Again, please try not to panic. Gibson is not going to have a division called "Oberheim" any longer. They are licensing that name to Viscount, the Italian company that has been making many of the products in the Oberheim line for several years. (like the OB-3^2 organ module, eclipse keyboard controller, micro-grand piano module, etc.) Viscount will continue to sell those products with the Oberheim brand name, so they are still available. Yes, Tom knows about this, and was amused. (he's doing well these days, BTW) None of this is actually public information yet, which is presumably why there has not yet been a marketing campaign on Gibson's part to explain it to people. The only reason anybody knows about it at all is that Gibson has been recently trying to dispel the rumor infections that have been going about. Please note that most companies in this industry make announcements at major trade shows, like Winter NAMM and Frankfurt Musik Messe. A reasonable person might expect to wait until one of those events to hear some official proclamation, if said person thinks such info is really important to him or her. Events like this go on in all industries, all the time. Especially when the business climate is favoring mergers, as it is now. It's *normal*. I don't learn this stuff by magic. A simple phone call is all it took. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 11:42:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15826; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:42:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:42:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: EH 16 sec delay clones Date: Sun, 3 Jan 99 16:34:39 -0000 x-sender: pwdu@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Martin Shellard To: "Loopers Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"JSz152.0.HQ3.PgvZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hello Martin, > >I read your info regarding the EH16 replica. Could you please >send me the contact details when you get them. >Best wishes >Lars Bjork To all who mailed me with reqests for details. I'm having trouble getting hold of the guy, it seems he's moved and I haven't got a forwarding address. When (or if) I find him I'll let you know. Apologies to all. Martin Shellard From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 13:05:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA26775; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:05:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:05:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <831895d6.368fadbf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:49:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: speaker question again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"bMRhy.0.L66.yswZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com a bit ago, i asked about inexpensive speakers and got some wonderful suggestions....yesterday , i received "carvin's" new catalog and on page 6 they have a pm5.......they are offering 4 of these speakers and 150w amp for the grand total of 449.95 plus 24.95 shipping.......anyone know of these things?........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 13:18:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28541; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:18:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:18:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990103120549.007bd100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:05:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: speaker question again In-Reply-To: <831895d6.368fadbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LUrrH1.0.oX6.I5xZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:49 PM 1/3/99 EST, you wrote: >a bit ago, i asked about inexpensive speakers and got some wonderful >suggestions....yesterday , i received "carvin's" new catalog and on page 6 >they have a pm5.......they are offering 4 of these speakers and 150w amp for >the grand total of 449.95 plus 24.95 shipping.......anyone know of these >things?........michael > > Michael, I've used Carvin products for years, and I can testify to their excellent quality and craftmanship. In fact, I'm using an ancient Carvin 4x12 speaker cabinet still--and it's incredible. Through the years, I've owned guitars, basses and speakers with the Carvin name on them--and I can tell you that all of their products are worth TWICE the price that you'll pay for them. Sincerely, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 13:56:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA00449; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:56:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:56:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: speaker question again Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:51:24 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be374a$0fbffae0$0cceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <831895d6.368fadbf@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"aXUHa.0.Ht7.xjxZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SSB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIHRoZSBZYW1haGEgTlMxME1zIHVzZWQgdG8gYmUgdmVyeSBnb29kIHNwZWFr ZXJzLiAgQXJlIHRoZXkgc3RpbGwgaW4gMTk5OT8NCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0t LS0NCkZyb206IE5lbW9ndWl0dEBhb2wuY29tIFttYWlsdG86TmVtb2d1aXR0QGFvbC5jb21dDQpT ZW50OiBTdW5kYXkgMDMgSmFudWFyeSAxOTk5IDk6NTAgQU0NClRvOiBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA YW5uaWhpbGlzdC5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IHNwZWFrZXIgcXVlc3Rpb24gYWdhaW4NCg0KDQphIGJp dCBhZ28sIGkgYXNrZWQgYWJvdXQgaW5leHBlbnNpdmUgc3BlYWtlcnMgYW5kIGdvdCBzb21lIHdv bmRlcmZ1bA0Kc3VnZ2VzdGlvbnMuLi4ueWVzdGVyZGF5ICwgaSByZWNlaXZlZCAiY2FydmluJ3Mi IG5ldyBjYXRhbG9nIGFuZCBvbiBwYWdlIDYNCnRoZXkgaGF2ZSBhIHBtNS4uLi4uLi50aGV5IGFy ZSBvZmZlcmluZyA0IG9mIHRoZXNlIHNwZWFrZXJzIGFuZCAxNTB3IGFtcCBmb3INCnRoZSBncmFu ZCB0b3RhbCBvZiA0NDkuOTUgcGx1cyAyNC45NSBzaGlwcGluZy4uLi4uLi5hbnlvbmUga25vdyBv ZiB0aGVzZQ0KdGhpbmdzPy4uLi4uLi4ubWljaGFlbA0KDQo= From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 16:36:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA19212; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:36:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:36:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001be374a$0fbffae0$0cceefd1@electra> References: <831895d6.368fadbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:21:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: speaker question again Resent-Message-ID: <"SY8V91.0.KF4.nyzZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I understand the Yamaha NS10Ms used to be very good speakers. Are they >still in 1999? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday 03 January 1999 9:50 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: speaker question again > > >a bit ago, i asked about inexpensive speakers and got some wonderful >suggestions....yesterday , i received "carvin's" new catalog and on page 6 >they have a pm5.......they are offering 4 of these speakers and 150w amp for >the grand total of 449.95 plus 24.95 shipping.......anyone know of these >things?........michael Yamaha NS10s are really quite crappy sounding speakers. their mids are painful and lows non existent. It really depends on what your goals are. I wouldn't really expect true fidelity from the carvins and certainly not the NS10s. You get what you pay for for the most part. To my ear you get even less with the Yamahas. If you want beater speakers for whatever, the Carvins might be a good way to go, but make sure you can send them back if you don't like them. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 16:36:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA19244; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:36:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:36:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990103171738.0093a930@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:17:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: Gibson and Oberheim In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19990102113339.01006cd0@brooknorth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xEBvB.0.G04.RqzZs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Kim, In response to my message reporting the failure of an Email address at the Oberheim web site, you wrote: >It would be refreshing if people would try, say, picking up their telephone >and finding out what the actual story is before screaming unfounded rumors >all over the net and wasting a lot of people's time.... You are probably right. It might have been better if I hadn't posted my concern. I really don't want to belabor this. But... I was not trying to add to some kind of conspiracy against Gibson/Oberheim. My intent was to offer constructive criticism via this list, believing that the folks from Gibson who monitor it would carry the word upstairs. It was you and they who helped me to make up my mind to buy my Echoplex, so I know that they're out there. >I guess that's >expecting a lot though. Yup. It is expecting a lot. In my original post, I stated that I have an Echoplex and I like it. But it is hardly my place to make a long distance call on my nickel (their 800 numbers are US numbers, I think you said -- and there also can be significant time involved with phone tag and all) so that Gibson can improve relations with their dealers and customers. >But we're not hearing reports of that, we're hearing rumors of that. When >pressed, we discover that the rumored info is based on shaky inferences, >unsubstantiated info from some other unverified source, or based on >something that happened two years ago rather than any current situation. I am definitely not "screaming unfounded rumors" based on two year old information. Only a couple of months ago, I, myself, had problems finding a shop in the US or Canada that would sell me an Oberheim Echoplex. I reported that experience to this list. At the time, that seemed appropriate. In fact, it was only after several of those kinds of reports appeared, and via the list's "Group Buy", that I (along with several dozen other list members) was actually able to acquire an Echoplex. If there are misconceptions and rumors about Gibson's ability to deliver Oberheim products, they are being spread by some reasonably reputable music dealers. Those are the people that you and Gibson need to reassure -- not the folks like me that are trying to buy Oberheim products from those dealers. I know that you have a different view of the situation. It is probably closer to the reality inside Gibson than mine is. However, you are hardly a typical Gibson/Oberheim customer -- you worked on the Echoplex and know people at Gibson on a personal basis. My perception is that of a prospective customer, and I was reporting this because, from that point of view, Gibson has a bit of fence mending to do. IMO, that means taking care of small things like an Email address that fails. Because if they don't, folks like me will be led to believe that the recent changes, rather than solving old problems, may have created some new ones that will continue to get in the way of satisfactory service. >I guess we could inform >them of the problem so that they might have the opportunity to fix it, >although it seems unlikely that they will with the recent changes made to >Oberheim. Er... My case rests. Regards and best wishes, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 16:52:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA21324; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:52:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:52:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901032144.OAA25009@preytor.ecentral.com> Subject: Yamaha NS10s Date: Sun, 3 Jan 99 14:44:31 -0700 x-sender: smonroe@pop.ecentral.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Steve Monroe To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"1xXqa3.0.bu4.eH-Zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I understand the Yamaha NS10Ms used to be very good speakers. Are they >still in 1999? The Yamaha NS10Ms have never been very good speakers: They are anything but flat, have poor frequency response, and have achieved their ubiquity in the studio world by virtue of the fact that Yamaha GAVE them away early on. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 17:48:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27685; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:48:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:48:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:40:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: speaker question again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"XUulp2.0.nT6.47_Zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/3/99 3:38:03 PM, edwin@indra.com writes: >Yamaha NS10s are really quite crappy sounding speakers. their mids are >painful and lows non existent. It really depends on what your goals are. My understanding of NS10's are that they are crappy sounding, but that a mix that sounds good on them will sound good on anything anywhere, and somehow they became an industry standard..... Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 17:59:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29282; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:59:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:59:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: speaker question again Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:48:34 -0800 Message-ID: <000601be376b$318b6580$2bceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"N7vyM1.0.Vg6.AC_Zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SW4geW91ciBleHBlcmllbmNlLCBFZHdpbiwgd2hhdCBhcmUgZ29vZCBzcGVha2VycyB0byBsb29r IGZvcj8NCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IEVkd2luIEh1cndpdHog W21haWx0bzplZHdpbkBpbmRyYS5jb21dDQpTZW50OiBTdW5kYXkgMDMgSmFudWFyeSAxOTk5IDE6 MjEgUE0NClRvOiBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAYW5uaWhpbGlzdC5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJFOiBz cGVha2VyIHF1ZXN0aW9uIGFnYWluDQoNCg0KPkkgdW5kZXJzdGFuZCB0aGUgWWFtYWhhIE5TMTBN cyB1c2VkIHRvIGJlIHZlcnkgZ29vZCBzcGVha2Vycy4gIEFyZSB0aGV5DQo+c3RpbGwgaW4gMTk5 OT8NCj4NCj4tLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KPkZyb206IE5lbW9ndWl0dEBhb2wu Y29tIFttYWlsdG86TmVtb2d1aXR0QGFvbC5jb21dDQo+U2VudDogU3VuZGF5IDAzIEphbnVhcnkg MTk5OSA5OjUwIEFNDQo+VG86IExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBhbm5paGlsaXN0LmNvbQ0KPlN1Ympl Y3Q6IHNwZWFrZXIgcXVlc3Rpb24gYWdhaW4NCj4NCj4NCj5hIGJpdCBhZ28sIGkgYXNrZWQgYWJv dXQgaW5leHBlbnNpdmUgc3BlYWtlcnMgYW5kIGdvdCBzb21lIHdvbmRlcmZ1bA0KPnN1Z2dlc3Rp b25zLi4uLnllc3RlcmRheSAsIGkgcmVjZWl2ZWQgImNhcnZpbidzIiBuZXcgY2F0YWxvZyBhbmQg b24gcGFnZSA2DQo+dGhleSBoYXZlIGEgcG01Li4uLi4uLnRoZXkgYXJlIG9mZmVyaW5nIDQgb2Yg dGhlc2Ugc3BlYWtlcnMgYW5kIDE1MHcgYW1wIGZvcg0KPnRoZSBncmFuZCB0b3RhbCBvZiA0NDku OTUgcGx1cyAyNC45NSBzaGlwcGluZy4uLi4uLi5hbnlvbmUga25vdyBvZiB0aGVzZQ0KPnRoaW5n cz8uLi4uLi4uLm1pY2hhZWwNCg0KWWFtYWhhIE5TMTBzIGFyZSByZWFsbHkgcXVpdGUgY3JhcHB5 IHNvdW5kaW5nIHNwZWFrZXJzLiB0aGVpciBtaWRzIGFyZQ0KcGFpbmZ1bCBhbmQgbG93cyBub24g ZXhpc3RlbnQuIEl0IHJlYWxseSBkZXBlbmRzIG9uIHdoYXQgeW91ciBnb2FscyBhcmUuIEkNCndv dWxkbid0IHJlYWxseSBleHBlY3QgdHJ1ZSBmaWRlbGl0eSBmcm9tIHRoZSBjYXJ2aW5zIGFuZCBj ZXJ0YWlubHkgbm90IHRoZQ0KTlMxMHMuIFlvdSBnZXQgd2hhdCB5b3UgcGF5IGZvciBmb3IgdGhl IG1vc3QgcGFydC4gVG8gbXkgZWFyIHlvdSBnZXQgZXZlbg0KbGVzcyB3aXRoIHRoZSBZYW1haGFz LiBJZiB5b3Ugd2FudCBiZWF0ZXIgc3BlYWtlcnMgZm9yIHdoYXRldmVyLCB0aGUNCkNhcnZpbnMg bWlnaHQgYmUgYSBnb29kIHdheSB0byBnbywgYnV0IG1ha2Ugc3VyZSB5b3UgY2FuIHNlbmQgdGhl bSBiYWNrIGlmDQp5b3UgZG9uJ3QgbGlrZSB0aGVtLg0KDQpFZHdpbg0KDQpFZHdpbiBIdXJ3aXR6 DQpCb3VsZGVyIENPDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmluZHJhLmNvbS9+ZWR3aW4NCg0KDQo= From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 17:59:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29277; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:59:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:59:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Yamaha NS10s Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:48:28 -0800 Message-ID: <000501be376b$2dbf6960$2bceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199901032144.OAA25009@preytor.ecentral.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"W5t58.0.5g6.7C_Zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com RHVkZSwNCg0KU28gd2hhdCBzaG91bGQgSSBwYXkgYXR0ZW50aW9uIHRvPw0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdp bmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogU3RldmUgTW9ucm9lIFttYWlsdG86c21vbnJvZUBlY2Vu dHJhbC5jb21dDQpTZW50OiBTdW5kYXkgMDMgSmFudWFyeSAxOTk5IDE6NDUgUE0NClRvOiBMb29w ZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAYW5uaWhpbGlzdC5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFlhbWFoYSBOUzEwcw0KDQoNCj5J IHVuZGVyc3RhbmQgdGhlIFlhbWFoYSBOUzEwTXMgdXNlZCB0byBiZSB2ZXJ5IGdvb2Qgc3BlYWtl cnMuICBBcmUgdGhleSANCj5zdGlsbCBpbiAxOTk5Pw0KDQoNCiAgICBUaGUgWWFtYWhhIE5TMTBN cyBoYXZlIG5ldmVyIGJlZW4gdmVyeSBnb29kIHNwZWFrZXJzOiAgVGhleSBhcmUgDQogICAgYW55 dGhpbmcgYnV0IGZsYXQsIGhhdmUgcG9vciBmcmVxdWVuY3kgcmVzcG9uc2UsIGFuZCBoYXZlIGFj aGlldmVkDQogICAgdGhlaXIgdWJpcXVpdHkgaW4gdGhlIHN0dWRpbyB3b3JsZCBieSB2aXJ0dWUg b2YgdGhlIGZhY3QgdGhhdCANCiAgICBZYW1haGEgR0FWRSB0aGVtIGF3YXkgZWFybHkgb24uDQoN Cg== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 18:18:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA31716; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:18:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:18:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901032306.SAA18865@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: R.I.P Everett Hafner, Synth pioneer Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:07:02 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qqCya3.0.oO7.hU_Zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com summa you might be interested in this... esp. the synth-heads.. Subject: [awizard] RIP Everett Hafner I posted this earlier today to an analogue synthesizer mail list I belong to. But there is a Todd Rundgren connection here also. EMSA helped M. Frog (Jean Yves Labat) with his multiple Synthi AKS rig. Jean Yves used an EMS PVC (pitch to voltage converter) for many of the sounds on AWATS. Also, Todd used an EMS VCS3 (also known as a Putney) on many records. You can see the device on the right-hand side of the S/A inner cover. Most of the sound in "Breathless" was made on this machine. TR also used a Synthi Hi-Fli guitar synth on the early Utopia gigs. Finally, Everett agreed to loan TR the EMS Vocoder 3000 at no cost for the Oops, Wrong Planet sessions. I would not be on this list today or have discovered TR without the influence of Everett. So as 1998 ends, I think of all the people I have known who died this year. And I am sad but also inspired. Everett was at least in his late 70s but was still active and involved. If you have to go, going down while pursuing your dream of flying doesn't seem so awful. Sure beats my Father-in-Laws slow decline into Alzheimer's and Parkinson's in a nursing home. I suspect he will not be here next year at this time and I dearly love him and already miss him. My post: I was informed last night that Prof. Everett Hafner died in a small plane crash last August 2nd in Western MA. Everett was the founder and owner of EMSA, the US distributor for EMS products in the 1970s. EMSA also sold Moog and ARP equipment, the primary market being colleges and High Schools. Many of us who first discovered analog synthesis via school music labs have used equipment sold by Prof. Hafner. In 1977 I quit my job as a school teacher and moved to Northampton MA in order to work with Everett in EMSA. Never a profitable venture, we just scraped by for a long time. In the office we had many Synthi AKS's, Revox tape machines, a Moog 35 and 2 Moog 15s, a custom built Oberheim 8 Voice, various ARPs, and a piano. Everett hosted a weekly local NPR show on electronic music. He traveled extensively offering classes in synthesis at various schools. He was also a Physics professor at Hampshire College and the first Dean of the School of Natural Sciences there. I corresponded with him via email the last several years, he had retired, opened a bed & breakfast in the countryside, went back to UMASS and obtained a doctorate in music theory, and realized his life-long dream of getting a pilots license. He composed much music and was often involved in exploring micro-tonal scales. An eccentric man, he sometimes angered customers with his business approach. However, he was a true friend and mentor to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 18:23:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA32368; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:23:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:23:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <368FFAD5.284@voicenet.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:18:45 -0500 From: legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Live Looping: Einstruzenden Neubauten References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"792Y-3.0.kb7.9c_Zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Got a wonderful surprise last night when I went to see EN in Philly at the trocadero. In addition to the incredible performance of found/metal instruments, percussive micing of drilling, sawing, and banging, there were quite a few momoents of genuine beauty and dynamics. One thing I didn't even figure out until halfway through the set was the leader/singer Her Bargald was looping his mic and making live layers ov voice, vocal sound effects and spoken word stuff. I heard (perhaps from this list?) that he did this on a "spoken word" performance in germany last year but I didn't realize he used i live with EN. Juding from what he was doing I wasn't sure what hardware he was using. most of it could be accomplished with an Echoplex I'd imagine but he also created some sturring effects with the loops already in the machine so I'm not sure. Whatver he used it was 100% controlled by a floor unit in front of him but alas behind the monitors so I never did get a chance to see what it was. If you've *ever* been curious about this band (one of the true pioneers of "industrial" music back when the term almost meant something) you should try and catch these guys. Given the material it was a far cry from the more confrontational stuff they used to do and featured a lot more range and expressiveness IMO. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 18:46:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA01919; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:46:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:46:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <74706bee.368ffd10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:28:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: speaker question again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"kO8zh3.0.j.fp_Zs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/3/99 3:38:07 PM Central Standard Time, edwin@indra.com writes: << Yamaha NS10s are really quite crappy sounding speakers. their mids are painful and lows non existent. It really depends on what your goals are. >> from what I understand, the prevalence of NS10's are not due to being amazing speakers, but from them being used in enough studios that they are a picked up as a common reference point, i.e. you go from studio A to studio B and you are familiar with the sound of the speakers (notches and all) so you can evaluate OTHER things that may be coloring the sound in the other studio. just a thought... - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 19:44:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA08050; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:44:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:44:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990103163658.012e3410@shell5.ba.best.com> X-Sender: jcooper@shell5.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:36:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: john s cooper Subject: Re: Gibson and Oberheim In-Reply-To: <199901030807.DAA02855@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"oihOs.0.-l1.Qq0as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:07 AM 1/3/99 -0500, kflint@annihilist.com wrote: >The Echoplex is still in production, exactly the same as it has been for >quite some time, and still available from Gibson Dealers. > couple things: as an opcode employee (opcode is now a division of gibson), i was able to do an internal-direct-purchase of my EDP upgrade to v5.0. the gibson guy (keith paul) asked me to write my check to "Electar Labs". this confirms both the new name of the division, and that they are still actively supporting the EDP... when i also asked keith about the oberheim matrix-1000, he said it is now officially out of production. (bummer!) so all here should be happy that the EDP is still being manufactured and supported! and all those who own matrix-1000's can now watch them start to go up in value a bit 8^) -john ...................................................... john s cooper opcode systems, inc http://www.planetz.com http://www.opcode.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 19:45:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA08247; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:45:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:45:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36900D21.CBF6FA50@texas.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:36:51 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Yamaha NS10s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KU4lk2.0.8j1.vo0as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com here's the deal with ns10m's: every studio has 'em, every engineer has worked with 'em, they are harsh sounding little buggers & i hate 'em, but... if you can make it sound good on these guys, it'll sound good *anywhere*! i am peronnally not good enough or patient enough to make anything sound good on ns10m's, so i sold mine & got a pair o' audix 1a's & a pair of alesis monitor 2's; those i'm good enough to work with. happy new year to all, peace & love, bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 19:54:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA09423; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:54:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:54:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight-d@annihilist.com Subject: Korg DL 8000 Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:41:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"jtpBv1.0.V42.R-0as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I couldn't resist the Musician's Friend price on this unit. What a little beastie it is. Too bad the manual is so, um, unilluminating. All six pages of it... Has anyone else on the list any tips on how to get "inside" this vortex-like short looper. I hope to use it to feed weird and mysterious sounds into my EDP. Anyone? dk UNDO From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 20:01:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10358; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:01:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:01:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3690117F.766A0041@texas.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:55:32 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Lexicon MPX 100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4wPTd1.0.3H2.N41as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey folks - i know this is a dead thread, but someone mentioned finding the lexicon mpx 100 for $150 from a mail order joint; who was that who had it at that price? i'd appreciate any help! bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 20:06:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11266; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:06:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:06:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601be376b$318b6580$2bceefd1@electra> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:53:47 -0700 To: From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: speaker question again Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"qwzkr.0.zS2.d91as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In your experience, Edwin, what are good speakers to look for? > It's been a long time since I auditioned speakers. It really depends on your budget and what you want them for. Do you want to make good sounding mixes or do you want your music to sound nice? Those are two different aims and different speakers excel at either one, but few speakers accomplish both. rec.audio.pro has a lot of info about what people in the business think about all kinds of things including speakers. For my next set of speakers for using with my computer I am very tempted to look into a set from speakerkits.com but if I were to drop some cash I would probably look into the Mackies. My first step would be to go to my local pro audio store (Wind Over the Earth here in Boulder) and check out what they had and what they thought and I would bring some mixes I loved and hated to audition the speakers. Right now I had a pair of ADS speakers from the early 80s that I use mostly because I know them real well and they don't have a bloated low end. They seem to image fairly well and have a reasonably balanced frequency range. I power them with an NAD amplifier. It's not a super accurate system, but it works for my purposes for now. To my mind and ear, speakers are the most difficult part of the signal chain and thus the most important to really deal with. You must learn the shortcomings of every speaker that you listen to. If you have deep pockets, check out the Meyer HD1 or whatever they currently have. I hope this helps, Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 20:35:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14487; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:35:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:35:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:26:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Korg DL 8000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"h1xWj1.0.oM3.xZ1as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I hope to use it to feed weird and mysterious >sounds into my EDP. If you've already got a looping delay, I suggest the DL's talented cousin, the AM8000. I like mine so much (as a weird-maker), I just ordered another from MF...really, this is the under-appreciated specialFX device of the year. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 21:02:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA17719; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:02:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:02:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990103215636.0095b2e0@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:56:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: Korg DL 8000 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y25Vc1.0.0-3.Aw1as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi DP, RE: >If you've already got a looping delay, I suggest the DL's talented cousin, the >AM8000. I like mine so much (as a weird-maker), I just ordered another from >MF...really, this is the under-appreciated specialFX device of the year. Can you say a bit more about that? Thanks, Howard ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 21:33:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA21489; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:33:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:33:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:27:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Korg DL 8000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 38 Resent-Message-ID: <"E-wDU.0.A15.9R2as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi DPC: Have you compared the Korg AM8000 to the late and great Lexicon Vortex? kjc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 21:53:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA24137; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:53:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:53:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:45:54 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: speaker question again Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"GxUnK.0.Uf5.Rj2as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/3/99 7:07:43 PM, edwin@indra.com writes: >To my mind and ear, speakers are the most difficult part of the >signal chain and thus the most important to really deal with. You must >learn the shortcomings of every speaker that you listen to. My problem is that it takes me several weeks to learn these shortcomings....I am trying to find a pair of powered monitors for my studio, and am considering Event 20/20's, the Mackies, and the KRK V8's, as well as any other good suggestions. It is very difficult trying to compare them in Guitar Center, that's for sure, and it would look kinda funny if you purchase several sets of monitors in order to return them two weeks later. Another problem is discerning what sounds good vs what sounds correct (and reveals flaws) is difficult to differentiate to my relatively untrained ear. Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 21:58:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA25236; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:58:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:58:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:02:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RE: speaker question again Resent-Message-ID: <"W3aH31.0.wp5.8o2as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:40 PM -0800 1/3/99, Marzzz@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/3/99 3:38:03 PM, edwin@indra.com writes: > >>Yamaha NS10s are really quite crappy sounding speakers. their mids are >>painful and lows non existent. It really depends on what your goals are. > >My understanding of NS10's are that they are crappy sounding, but that a mix >that sounds good on them will sound good on anything anywhere, and somehow >they became an industry standard..... That was always my understanding, that the crappiness of these speakers pretty accurately reflects the crappiness of the typical boombox speaker that a track will probably be played through. So if you mix something to sound good on NS10's it probably sounds good in a typical listening environment, even though the speakers themselves don't qualify as "good". kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 22:06:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA26455; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:06:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:06:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990103171738.0093a930@brooknorth.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19990102113339.01006cd0@brooknorth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:46:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gibson and Oberheim Resent-Message-ID: <"DdqGu1.0.Oq5.Co2as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 1:17 PM -0800 1/3/99, Howard Harawitz wrote: >I was not trying to add to some kind of conspiracy against Gibson/Oberheim. >My intent was to offer constructive criticism via this list, believing that >the folks from Gibson who monitor it would carry the word upstairs. In other words, instead of simply calling them with a helpful suggestion, you choose to make a public spectacle, cause largely undeserved fear and doubt among other potential customers, and force them to devote a lot of people and effort to repairing the resulting PR damage when they could have been fixing the small problem you had and getting on with their job of producing music gear? I'm not trying to flame you in particular, Howard, because I've seen many other people go way more over the top than you have, but I just don't see the logic in this approach. It seems more designed to harm than help, and I'm getting a bit tired of seeing people wasting a lot of time and effort on all sides to deal with this sort of thing. In my experience, this is about the least effective way to deal with a problem. >>But we're not hearing reports of that, we're hearing rumors of that. When >>pressed, we discover that the rumored info is based on shaky inferences, >>unsubstantiated info from some other unverified source, or based on >>something that happened two years ago rather than any current situation. > >I am definitely not "screaming unfounded rumors" based on two year old >information. you might not have, but others definitely were. >Only a couple of months ago, I, myself, had problems finding a >shop in the US or Canada that would sell me an Oberheim Echoplex. I >reported that experience to this list. At the time, that seemed >appropriate. In fact, it was only after several of those kinds of reports >appeared, and via the list's "Group Buy", that I (along with several dozen >other list members) was actually able to acquire an Echoplex. The people who organized that group buy didn't have trouble finding a dealer, right? In fact, there were a variety of dealers competing for that, as I recall. Other people have located dealers without much difficulty, right? If you call up Gibson and ask for a dealer, they are happy to suggest a few. Probably they can even tell you which ones have stock in echoplexes or whatever you're looking for, or when another shipment is expected. You can even get dealer information off their website. When people ask for a recommendation for echoplex dealers on this list, they promptly get a variety of replies, often including replies from Gibson folks. In other words, was this really Gibson's fault? As far as I can tell, Gibson is more than happy to help you buy their products, and generally friendly and efficient about it. The same can be said for just about any other company, I would guess. So before you go citing this as evidence of horrible calamities for the echoplex, could you at least ask yourself whether you were making a sensible effort to find a dealer in the first place? For example, did you try the obvious approach of calling Gibson and asking for a dealer near you? >If there are misconceptions and rumors about Gibson's ability to deliver >Oberheim products, they are being spread by some reasonably reputable music >dealers. Those are the people that you and Gibson need to reassure -- not >the folks like me that are trying to buy Oberheim products from those dealers. Sorry, I haven't seen any of these rumors about Gibson being spread by "reputable dealers". More like irresponsible net users. If a Gibson dealer were doing that, I imagine they would cease to be a dealer pretty quickly. I have seen a few cases where uninformed dealers were telling potential customers things about Oberheim that were wrong, and as soon as Gibson knew about it I think they tried to correct the problem (or other dealers happily jumped in to take the business). For the most part, the damaging rumors I've seen were coming from uninformed people throwing fits on the net. The sad thing is this stuff persists regardless of what a company has done. There's always somebody popping up to scream about something online without making any effort at all to to see if what they are saying reflects any real situation. It really sucks for the people on the other side of it, who are working hard to do things right and still get stuck wasting their time on pointless PR firedrills. It's not just Gibson, either, this sort of thing happens a lot. But in the past few months there have been all sorts of crazy things said about Gibson, very little of which had any reality associated with it. I think it's an issue of responsibility for the community you are in. For one, if there are hardly any companies interested in producing looping gear, how are you helping that situation by using public forums to attack those that do and scaring away their potential customers? Would you rather there were no companies producing these instruments? If you want a better situation, how about making a positive contribution rather than a negative one? The second responsibility issue is libel. The result of people making unfounded accusations online is more and more companies are filing libel suits to recover damages to their reputations or their business. I imagine the outcome of this trend will be a chill on people's willingness to express themselves in any circumstance, which sucks. I think if we, as a community, don't want that sort of thing happening, we all need to take some responsibility for the accuracy and effect of our words. >My perception is that of a prospective customer, and I was reporting this >because, from that point of view, Gibson has a bit of fence mending to do. What more do you expect them to do? They've posted here regularly, they've repeatedly provided all of the information that you failed to find in this very forum, they've been very helpful to folks on the phone, they've done backflips to help people out who reported a problem to them, they've worked very hard to get production up to meet demand and improve their products, they've done everything they could to improve relations with dealers. Does none of that count? Should they also be employing a bank of people to post careful replies every time some tortured ego with an email account decides to trash them anyway? Personally, I would much rather see them (and other companies, like mine) doing their job of producing musical instruments than wasting time endlessly combatting the latest items in the rumor mill. >IMO, that means taking care of small things like an Email address that >fails. Because if they don't, folks like me will be led to believe that the >recent changes, rather than solving old problems, may have created some new >ones that will continue to get in the way of satisfactory service. But you didn't even give them a chance to take care of this problem! Rather than contacting them to let them know of the error, you jumped right onto the net to make an issue of it. How fair was that? >From my perspective, no matter what they do there will be some people who manage to find some problem, no matter how trivial, that proves the end is nigh. Personally, I find that irresponsible and frustrating, especially when you don't even give them a chance to deal with the situation. As far as I can tell, the Oberheim/Electar/Gibson guys (and any company really) have been happy to get feedback from people and fix any problems they could. Give them a chance at least! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 22:28:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA28899; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:28:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 22:28:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990103170611.007c3e50@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:06:11 -0600 To: From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: RE: speaker question again Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <000001be374a$0fbffae0$0cceefd1@electra> References: <831895d6.368fadbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NJ_kB2.0.Xf6.I63as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am a recording engineer by profession, and I use NS-10s alot. Most working engineers do. The answer to the question of whether or not they are good speakers is a bit complicated. Much the way that a dental hygenist will clean your teeth with pure flouride, I wouldn't think that you would like brushing at home with it. NS-10s tell me things about my mixes that other speakers don't. I have visited many studios where someone claims that NS-10s are 'really crappy sounding speakers', and prefer to use genelecs. To demonstrate, they play one of their mixes on the Genelecs and then switch to the NS-10s pointing out how bad the 'speakers' sound. If I get a mix happening on the NS-10's and then switch to the genelecs, these same people will be amazed at how much better their 'speakers' sound. NS 10's are a tool for me. I like them. YMMV -Chuck Zwicky At 10:51 AM 1/3/99 -0800, you wrote: >I understand the Yamaha NS10Ms used to be very good speakers. Are they still in 1999? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday 03 January 1999 9:50 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: speaker question again > > >a bit ago, i asked about inexpensive speakers and got some wonderful >suggestions....yesterday , i received "carvin's" new catalog and on page 6 >they have a pm5.......they are offering 4 of these speakers and 150w amp for >the grand total of 449.95 plus 24.95 shipping.......anyone know of these >things?........michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 23:42:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA04477; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:42:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:42:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990103203333.00902530@pop.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@pop.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 20:33:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jt Subject: Re: Gibson and Oberheim In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19990103171738.0093a930@brooknorth.com> <3.0.1.32.19990102113339.01006cd0@brooknorth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"A74zj.0.5k.xF4as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >The people who organized that group buy didn't have trouble finding a >dealer, right? Yes, and 2.5 months later I'm still waiting for mine. They are on order. It'll either be next week, next month, the month after that, whatever... generally "RealSoonNow"(tm). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 3 23:48:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA05232; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:48:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <368FE4F1.E634DD89@boulder.quik.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:45:24 +0000 From: Jim Sincock Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live Looping: Einstruzenden Neubauten References: <368FFAD5.284@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tG8-Q3.0.tz.oN4as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes! Ein Neu, glad to see someone talking about one of my favorite groups. I saw them in Denver, and was blown away. I have liked them since the early eighties, missed their Milwaukee show in 1985 or so, and was bummed ever since. Indeed Blixa had some vocal loops going that at times were sonically overpowering. During "Headcleaner", in one of the pauses, the high pitched keyboard sound was panning from side to side, and later Blixa's screech was looping and panning and was almost nausiating. Intense show! Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 00:08:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA07870; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 00:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 00:08:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:56:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Yamaha NS10s Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"yfvTd3.0.0V1.lc4as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com NS10's serve as good monitors for getting a handle on what the mixes will sound like in the average automobile stereo, too! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 02:48:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA25426; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:48:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:48:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:39:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901040739.XAA21054@swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: cqlung@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Q Subject: RE: speaker question again Resent-Message-ID: <"q05Nf2.0.4-5.k_6as"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy y'all...now, who has my jam man? I've looked in every corner of the world. I just can't seem to find one. I know that if I didn't need one, someone would probably give one too me, you know? If anyone hears this plea pleasepleaseplease reply to me at cqlung@earthlink.net Thanks alot....Q At 05:06 PM 1/3/99 -0600, you wrote: >I am a recording engineer by profession, and I use NS-10s alot. Most >working engineers do. The answer to the question of whether or not they are >good speakers is a bit complicated. Much the way that a dental hygenist >will clean >your teeth with pure flouride, I wouldn't think that you would like >brushing at home with it. >NS-10s tell me things about my mixes that other speakers don't. I have >visited many studios where someone claims that NS-10s are 'really crappy >sounding speakers', and prefer to use genelecs. To demonstrate, they play >one of their mixes on the Genelecs and then switch to the NS-10s pointing >out how bad the 'speakers' sound. If I get a mix happening on the NS-10's >and then switch to the genelecs, these same people will be amazed at how >much better their 'speakers' sound. NS 10's are a tool for me. I like them. >YMMV > >-Chuck Zwicky > > >At 10:51 AM 1/3/99 -0800, you wrote: >>I understand the Yamaha NS10Ms used to be very good speakers. Are they >still in 1999? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] >>Sent: Sunday 03 January 1999 9:50 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: speaker question again >> >> >>a bit ago, i asked about inexpensive speakers and got some wonderful >>suggestions....yesterday , i received "carvin's" new catalog and on page 6 >>they have a pm5.......they are offering 4 of these speakers and 150w amp for >>the grand total of 449.95 plus 24.95 shipping.......anyone know of these >>things?........michael >> >> > > > "Tie your own goddamned shoes, you one-armed son of a bitch." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 08:44:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA21587; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:44:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:44:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990104134121.8390.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 05:41:21 -0800 (PST) From: H IP Subject: Re: Korg DL 8000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"rPxGF3.0.iF4.xDCas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm using the AM8000R with GP-100 and Echoplex (x 2). The result is excellent! I just got the unit a few days and I'm still exploring its deep power. The modulation delay is one of my favorite. I personally don't think Korg will do good on this product since it hasn't got gimmick. However, it has its own sound. Agreed with another gentleman that it's one of the under-appreciated item. I may share with you guys after I've spent more with it (or make some MP3 later). ---Howard Harawitz wrote: > > Hi DP, > > RE: > >If you've already got a looping delay, I suggest the DL's talented cousin, > the > >AM8000. I like mine so much (as a weird-maker), I just ordered another from > >MF...really, this is the under-appreciated specialFX device of the year. > > Can you say a bit more about that? > > Thanks, > > Howard > ========================================================== > Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com > ========================================================== > Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. > Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada > Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 > ========================================================== > Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 10:15:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA28800; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:15:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:15:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C95085FED@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Yamaha NS10s Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:07:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"fj9cL3.0.4D6.mbDas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com About 8 months ago I went to upgrade my speakers (you don't even want to know what I was using) and the sales guy at Sam Ash in NY demo'ed the KRK's for me. Although they look very strange (they are shaped sort of like an A frame) I thought they sounded great - loads of bass, decent mid's. However, for reasons I still can't fathom I foolishly bought the NS10's and now I deeply regret it. You should also check out the JBL 2 way speakers as well. They don't have all that flat a response, but they do sound great - a friend of mine even uses them as his stereo speakers. To further assist our friend with his buying decision, does anyone have an opinion on powered vs. unpowered monitors? Many manufacturers are now making the same speakers in both versions. Is using a separate amp still the best way to go? > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Monroe [SMTP:smonroe@ecentral.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 4:45 PM > To: TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com > Subject: Yamaha NS10s > > >I understand the Yamaha NS10Ms used to be very good speakers. Are > they > >still in 1999? > > > The Yamaha NS10Ms have never been very good speakers: They are > anything but flat, have poor frequency response, and have achieved > their ubiquity in the studio world by virtue of the fact that > Yamaha GAVE them away early on. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 10:34:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA04298; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:34:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:34:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990104134121.8390.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:25:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Re: Korg DL 8000 Resent-Message-ID: <"j-FYL.0.ll7.YoDas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All this talk about the DL8000, AM8000R, and Musician's Friend has got me interested. My latest catalog does not list them, nor does their web site--what's going on? Have been watching for these units in catalogs, etc., but hardly ever see them. How much does MF want? Also, due to the obviously narrow market for these goodies, I've been hoping for the inevitable blow-out... is this it? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 11:08:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19383; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:08:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:08:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:29:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: EDP - MIDI reset? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ATrZ13.0.c14._NEas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com and a happy new year to everyone. Happy to report that my (beloved) wife bought me a Digitech Control 8 MIDI floor controller for Christmas, which I'm now using for my Echoplex. However, the CCs from the Digitech latch and I'm using to avoid having to use an awkward double tap. This in turn means that I've lost the long tap reset function of the EDP. Although the manual tells me to expect this I still wonder if some crafty looper has figured another way to reset the EDP (I actually managed this whilst figuring out the Control8 but damned if I know what I push or if I can reproduce it). Jim Carter ps While the Control8 only has 5 CC sends (Rec/Odub/Mult/Ins/Mut) the expression pedal can be very quickly assigned to Undo/Fback/Vol Tel - 0117 9289934 FAX - 0117 9293746 e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 11:46:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA03332; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:46:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:40:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Yamaha NS10s Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"-ODK33.0.C_7.nwEas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/4/99 1:17:26 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes: << To further assist our friend with his buying decision, does anyone have an opinion on powered vs. unpowered monitors? Many manufacturers are now making the same speakers in both versions. Is using a separate amp still the best way to go? >> an excellent question.......any thoughts on this?........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 12:31:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA23092; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:31:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:31:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <008501be3806$51f7b4e0$dc6703cf@rjiredff> From: "New Jersey Guitar Circle" To: Subject: Re: Yamaha NS10s Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:18:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"VKteS3.0.Db4.UYFas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 1/4/99 1:17:26 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, >TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes: > ><< To further assist our friend with his buying decision, does anyone have > an opinion on powered vs. unpowered monitors? Many manufacturers are > now making the same speakers in both versions. Is using a separate amp > still the best way to go? >> Ultimately, this comes down to a matter of convenience and expense. The convenience factor is that powered speakers allow you to save the space and hassle of separate amplification. The expense factor is because of the fact that there are a lot of really fine amplifiers out there that are better than the amplifiers in most powered speakers. Sonically, it is preferable to have the shortest possible signal path between amp and speaker. Given the ability to use the identical amplifier both in an external and internal application, the internally powered speaker should sound better. Of course, this difference is going to be rather negligible. Will any of these factors really make a significant difference to you? Probably not. I think that the decision should be made based on your needs Jonathan From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 12:46:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA29754; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:46:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:46:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990103170611.007c3e50@wavefront.com> References: <000001be374a$0fbffae0$0cceefd1@electra> <831895d6.368fadbf@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:36:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: speaker question again Resent-Message-ID: <"8Kimq3.0.lp5.2jFas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I am a recording engineer by profession, and I use NS-10s alot. Most >working engineers do. The answer to the question of whether or not they are >good speakers is a bit complicated. Much the way that a dental hygenist >will clean >your teeth with pure flouride, I wouldn't think that you would like >brushing at home with it. >NS-10s tell me things about my mixes that other speakers don't. I have >visited many studios where someone claims that NS-10s are 'really crappy >sounding speakers', and prefer to use genelecs. To demonstrate, they play >one of their mixes on the Genelecs and then switch to the NS-10s pointing >out how bad the 'speakers' sound. If I get a mix happening on the NS-10's >and then switch to the genelecs, these same people will be amazed at how >much better their 'speakers' sound. NS 10's are a tool for me. I like them. >YMMV > >-Chuck Zwicky You're absolutely correct about this comparison. Genelecs never seem to translate all that well. When I was working in a studio out side of Boston doing mostly acoustic music, we got some Genelecs and they created a lot of confusion, especially with clients who weren't that aware of how to listen to speakers. Still, there's information that gets by an NS10. It's really hard to tell what is really happening on the low end with these. They also kill my ears pretty quickly. My other studio had NS10s and soffitted Urei time align speakers (809s?) and that seemed like a good combination for the time (mid-late 80s). Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 13:58:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA24140; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:58:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:58:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:35:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP - MIDI reset? Resent-Message-ID: <"Cwsse3.0.Tc5.DtGas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >and a happy new year to everyone. > >Happy to report that my (beloved) wife bought me a Digitech >Control 8 MIDI floor controller for Christmas, which I'm now >using for my Echoplex. However, the CCs from the Digitech >latch and I'm using to avoid having to >use an awkward double tap. This in turn means that I've lost >the long tap reset function of the EDP. Although the manual >tells me to expect this I still wonder if some crafty looper >has figured another way to reset the EDP (I actually managed >this whilst figuring out the Control8 but damned if I know what >I push or if I can reproduce it). When I use that mode, I usually just make a short loop of silence to get a psuedo-reset. rumor has it there will be a midi command that directly executes reset in some future version. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 14:08:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25717; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:08:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36912062.2BF2C9D2@magelang.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:11:14 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Yamaha NS10s References: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C95085FED@EXCHANGENY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VWKiE.0.d26.I1Has"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > To further assist our friend with his buying decision, does anyone have > an opinion on powered vs. unpowered monitors? Many manufacturers are > now making the same speakers in both versions. Is using a separate amp > still the best way to go? I tend to lean towards powered monitors, though the ultimate decision should be based on careful listening tests. Most powered monitors are biamped - there are separate amps for each driver, this makes the crossover simpler and better (since it can operate on a line level signal instead of an amp-level signal) and there are many ways that each amp can be tweaked for its specific driver. For instance, the woofer amp in the Mackie monitors uses a feedback loop with the driver to improve bass response. jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 14:27:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA32103; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:27:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:27:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: RE: Near Field Monitors Date: Mon, 4 Jan 99 12:27:41 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1296644767-30685420@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"v0hnP3.0.nC7.CIHas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thomas Rupolo wrote: >You should also check out the JBL 2 way speakers as well. They don't have all that flat a response, but they do sound great - a friend of mine even uses them as his stereo speakers. The new powered JBL LSRs are one of the most amazing speakers I've ever heard (and they've got a cool kevler/carbon fiber baffle board. . . tres cool) They retail for about $1000 each, but you _should_ be able to get the pair for around $1400. (Of course, I have a particular aversion to ever paying retail for anything, and as such concoct all sorts of wierdness to get stuff at wholesale prices, which I could extend to anyone on this list who emails me privatly) Anyhow, these are very flat speakers, I've done several projects on them now and I love them. Rich, full sound whithout sacrificing great imaging and a very honest picture of your mixes. There's also a sub available that can be turned on or off with a normal footswitch, which is great for checking those Laswellian rumblings I'm so fond of without having to have the sub on all the time. I've also had great luck with the Mackies, and love the imaging and SOUND. The powered Tannoy PBM 8 LMs (don't you love these names?) are flat, have great imaging and are very comfortable to listen to for hours at a time. (My all-time favorite monitor is the Tannoy System 215 DMTII 2x15" Dual Concentric. This is not a near field, is not self powered, weighs more than I do and lists for $7495 a pair, but if you find a room in your area that has these, you must listen to them. They are simply amazing) I've worked lots with Genelics powered nearfields and while they are unfatiguing to listen to, they are very uninspiring, I've tried them with a sub which makes them uninspiring and bottom heavy. On paper they look like a great speaker, and I wanted in the worst way to like them, but I just don't. NS10Ms are everywhere and everybody has mixed on them, but I really hate them. If you've got to mix on them, do what everyone does and tape a piece of tissue over the tweeters, this makes them a bit easier to listen to. >To further assist our friend with his buying decision, does anyone have an opinion on powered vs. unpowered monitors? Many manufacturers are now making the same speakers in both versions. Is using a separate amp still the best way to go? I like powered monitors a lot (as you can tell from the blurb above) They are easy to set up, easily transportable: I always take my Tannoys with me to at least cross check on when mixing in a new room, and as such I don't have to pull out speaker wire and re-run speaker wire when I get to wherever I'm going. That and the fact that powered monitors have the shortest run possible between the amp and speaker means that the sound arrives at you ear in a fairly pristine state. Just some food for thought, -Doug T From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 14:18:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA28618; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:18:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:18:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990104185906.2358.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: RE: speaker question again To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"30oXl.0.EO6.EAHas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > My other studio had NS10s and soffitted Urei > time align speakers (809s?) and that seemed like a good combination for the > time (mid-late 80s). Call me naive, but I use my sony 2-way speakers for general usage and a combo of the sonys, Senheiser headphones and a variety of cheapo boomboxes for final mix comparisons. Seems to work well for a home studio situation. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 14:47:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA08382; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:47:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:47:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901041941.MAA03552@preytor.ecentral.com> Subject: RE: speaker question again Date: Mon, 4 Jan 99 12:41:06 -0700 x-sender: smonroe@pop.ecentral.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Steve Monroe To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"r97Vx1.0.ZE1.BaHas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rev. Doubt-Goat, dgoat@rocketmail.com wrote: >Call me naive, but I use my sony 2-way speakers for >general usage and a combo of the sonys, Senheiser >headphones and a variety of cheapo boomboxes for >final mix comparisons. Seems to work well for a home >studio situation. Using cheapo boomboxes and various types of cheapo car speakers to CHECK a mix certainly makes infinitely more sense than using Yamaha NS10s. I have never understood the logic that states that if they check well on NS10s they will work on a boom box, or in someones cheapo car system ... (I still believe what I read on rec.audio.pro written by Richard D. Pierce [you could do a DejaNews search dpierce@world.std.com] who is quite an authority on loudspeaker design. He mentioned that the way that the Yamahas have achieved such a universal presence in the studio world is because they were given away early on...they have no other quality that achieved such presence other than they were free. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 15:05:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA16274; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36911D42.2357C80D@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:57:54 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-US,fr-BE,en-GB,af MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: EDP rumors rumors rumors on the net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PZJxv2.0.1B3.xqHas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim Stop the Internet rumors you wrote >>But we're not hearing reports of that, we're hearing rumors of that. When >>pressed, we discover that the rumored info is based on shaky inferences, >>unsubstantiated info from some other unverified source, or based on >>something that happened two years ago rather than any current situation. but then >When I use that mode, I usually just make a short loop of silence to get a >psuedo-reset. rumor has it there will be a midi command that directly >executes reset _in some future version._ "THERE WILL NEVER BE AN UPGRADE FOR THE EDP" STOP the rumors or perhaps can you tell more......... ;=) HAPPY NEW YEAR Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 16:50:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA29179; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:50:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:50:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990104134305.012a0100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:43:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight From: Sean Subject: LD CDv2 In-Reply-To: <36911D42.2357C80D@vtx.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZJHPn3.0.686.JLJas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I received my CDs this weekend - I wasn't expecting anything so professionally done. Man, does it make up for any hot air that sometimes comes thru the list! Sincere thanks to everyone that participated on it and Matt for his time and effort. sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 16:50:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA29213; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:50:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:50:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990104214134.17510.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.173] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: speaker question again Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:41:33 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"giXX83.0.r86.LLJas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know this is off-loop-topic but since we are talking about speakers AND I like you guys, maybe someone can help. I have the Yamaha NS's in question, they are powered by two bridged peavey cs200x's( http://www.peavey.com/division/sr/pamps/csseries/CS200X.html ) I have already fried a tweeter and yes I agree, the bottom end is the pits. I like 'em when I'm playing with effects but with I'm just playin', I don't like em. (I don't use any so-called proper ampiflication, just the peavey's and the Yamaha's. This setup is in my bedroom and I have roommates so high volumes don't come into it.) I'm just not into loud music anymore anyways, however, I have realized that there is a loudness point where sound bounces of the walls just right. So anyways,I want more sound. Given my amplification, and the size of my space (approx 15 x 20 sq ft) Does anyone have any suggestions for speakers? I still plan on working the NS's into the setup because I like the high's so something in the mid to bottom range is what I think I am looking for. Thanks once again to all, E-mail offlist if desired, although I'm sure others would find useful -Dennis ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 17:09:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA04939; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:09:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990104220122.7403.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.173] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: also Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:01:22 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"bHA-U2.0.pH.wdJas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Can someone point me in the direction of both volumes of the loopers deelight? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 17:18:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA09326; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:18:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:18:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C95085FED@EXCHANGENY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:49:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: Yamaha NS10s Resent-Message-ID: <"_DbrE2.0.gQ1.nnJas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >To further assist our friend with his buying decision, does anyone have >an opinion on powered vs. unpowered monitors? Many manufacturers are >now making the same speakers in both versions. Is using a separate amp >still the best way to go? > A good powered monitor is the way to go. A case in point is the Meyer HD1. That way each aspect of the system can be optimized for that system. If you throw any old amp at it, you have to design the speaker to be used with a wide variety of amps that cna have a lot of different variables, from impedance (which changes with frequecy, an 8 ohm speaker is actually 8 ohms for a very small portion of its range) and damping factor, etc. It's also easy to biamp with a powered monitor. this is a very good way to go, since you don't lose power and smear signal through a passive crossover. The HD1s are powered and biamped and in some ways are the most painful speakers to listen to because they reveal EVERYTHING, but mixes always translate well with them. You would want to have them as stereo speakers as much as you would want NS10s, ie. not at all. So, get powered and biamped if possible. If you have an extroardinary power amp lying around, get unpowered over powered, non biamped. Otherwise, get the powered version. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 17:27:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA13516; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:27:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:27:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:41:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: speaker question again Resent-Message-ID: <"6L7lG3.0.WQ1.mnJas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >My problem is that it takes me several weeks to learn these shortcomings....I >am trying to find a pair of powered monitors for my studio, and am considering >Event 20/20's, the Mackies, and the KRK V8's, as well as any other good >suggestions. It is very difficult trying to compare them in Guitar Center, >that's for sure, and it would look kinda funny if you purchase several sets of >monitors in order to return them two weeks later. Another problem is >discerning what sounds good vs what sounds correct (and reveals flaws) is >difficult to differentiate to my relatively untrained ear. > > >Marshall Blow off the guitar center and try to find a pro audio store. It may cost a little more, but there's a very good chance they will loan you the speakers or give you a good return policy. they will also more likely have a good room in which to hear the monitors. The higher price comes out in the wash as better customer service. Often people who work there have studio experience and they aren't just drones to sell the flavor of the month guitar to high school shredders. They will hopefully be able to steer you in a good direction. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 17:42:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA19687; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:42:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:42:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A701B16335@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: speaker question again Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:30:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"tgZYL1.0.tP3.S2Kas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Good point. Unfortunately, we are losing these pro audio stores because so many people go to them to use their services, then go to the discount store to make the final purchase. -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hurwitz [mailto:edwin@indra.com] Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: speaker question again >My problem is that it takes me several weeks to learn these shortcomings....I >am trying to find a pair of powered monitors for my studio, and am considering >Event 20/20's, the Mackies, and the KRK V8's, as well as any other good >suggestions. It is very difficult trying to compare them in Guitar Center, >that's for sure, and it would look kinda funny if you purchase several sets of >monitors in order to return them two weeks later. Another problem is >discerning what sounds good vs what sounds correct (and reveals flaws) is >difficult to differentiate to my relatively untrained ear. > > >Marshall Blow off the guitar center and try to find a pro audio store. It may cost a little more, but there's a very good chance they will loan you the speakers or give you a good return policy. they will also more likely have a good room in which to hear the monitors. The higher price comes out in the wash as better customer service. Often people who work there have studio experience and they aren't just drones to sell the flavor of the month guitar to high school shredders. They will hopefully be able to steer you in a good direction. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 18:39:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA11631; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:39:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:39:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36915B86.C4E19B93@magelang.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:23:34 -0800 From: Jim Coker Reply-To: jcoker@magelang.com Organization: Magelang Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: speaker question again References: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A701B16335@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jVypf3.0.DO.xjKas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Very true. Though, in an interesting mix, I've gotten very good personal service at Grandma's Music and Sound, and the're pretty competive with their prices, as they are also a mail order house. In particular, they have a nice quiet demo room filled with monitor speakers. Jim Hoover Alan wrote: > > Good point. Unfortunately, we are losing these pro audio stores because so > many people go to them to use their services, then go to the discount store > to make the final purchase. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edwin Hurwitz [mailto:edwin@indra.com] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:42 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: speaker question again > > >My problem is that it takes me several weeks to learn these > shortcomings....I > >am trying to find a pair of powered monitors for my studio, and am > considering > >Event 20/20's, the Mackies, and the KRK V8's, as well as any other good > >suggestions. It is very difficult trying to compare them in Guitar Center, > >that's for sure, and it would look kinda funny if you purchase several sets > of > >monitors in order to return them two weeks later. Another problem is > >discerning what sounds good vs what sounds correct (and reveals flaws) is > >difficult to differentiate to my relatively untrained ear. > > > > > >Marshall > > Blow off the guitar center and try to find a pro audio store. It may cost a > little more, but there's a very good chance they will loan you the speakers > or give you a good return policy. they will also more likely have a good > room in which to hear the monitors. The higher price comes out in the wash > as better customer service. Often people who work there have studio > experience and they aren't just drones to sell the flavor of the month > guitar to high school shredders. They will hopefully be able to steer you > in a good direction. > > Edwin > > Edwin Hurwitz > Boulder CO > http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 19:08:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23815; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:08:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:08:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36915353.82AC28AD@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:48:35 -0500 From: "Trevor D. Bajus, purveyor of the new rock" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: speaker question again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ouncM1.0.L-2.t5Las"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > >My problem is that it takes me several weeks to learn these shortcomings.... The dreaded Sam Ass has that convenient 30-return policy. Take advantage of it. Those Walmart bastards certainly have it coming to them. My own recomendation would be towards unpowered JBL's. I have heard a bunch of them (though not recently) and anything other than their cheapest speakers sound very musical to me. Take that with some salt (more than a few grains, I would recomend), because I do the first 85% of my mixing through a pair of Sony 7604 (?) headphones. Most are horrified when I tell them this, but no one has ever complained about my mixing. Always listen to the final mix in at least three different car stereos before making a cd. I'm not the first to have said it, certainly, nor will I (I suspect) be the last, but I believe more than most. tdb2 -- Report: Many Rappers May Suffer From Unrealistically High Self-Images WASHINGTON, DC--According to an American Psychological Association report released Tuesday, a large percentage of U.S. rappers may suffer from unrealistically high self-images, placing them at risk of a host of emotional and interpersonal problems. The study--which examined the attitudes and self-perceptions of over 600 MCs in hoods across the U.S., including Illtown, H-Town, Strong Island, the Brooklyn Zoo, Harlem World and Long Beach--found that nearly 95 percent of those surveyed suffered from a distorted sense of their own prowess, particularly with regard to wealth, sexual potency and influence over their peers. "While personal confidence is a vital aspect of building a healthy self-image, an exaggerated sense of self can lead to trouble," APA study head Dr. Judith Danziger said. "The overconfidence these rappers display can have a wide range of negative consequences, from humiliating defeat at the hands of a superior MC to getting a cap placed in one's ass." for the whole article go to: http://www.theonion.com/onion3415/rappers_suffer.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 19:16:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26980; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:16:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:16:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A701B16335@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:43:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: RE: speaker question again Resent-Message-ID: <"Ue0GX1.0.pj3.tCLas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Good point. Unfortunately, we are losing these pro audio stores because so >many people go to them to use their services, then go to the discount store >to make the final purchase. > This is an evil thing to do. I even go to my pro audio store to by CD blanks, etc. The are more expensive, but I would much rather have them in business than save 12c a CD. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 19:19:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA28651; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:19:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:19:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990104235318.0072ea6c@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:53:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: RE: Yamaha NS10s Resent-Message-ID: <"ta4-H.0.1B4.5HLas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:49 04.01.99 -0700, you wrote: > >>To further assist our friend with his buying decision, does anyone have >>an opinion on powered vs. unpowered monitors? Many manufacturers are >>now making the same speakers in both versions. Is using a separate amp >>still the best way to go? >> > >A good powered monitor is the way to go. A case in point is the Meyer HD1. check out Yamaha MSP5 too. great speakers, bi-amplified, little boxes (all metal chassis... they are really heavy) made for mastering and studio purposes. Great bass frequency response. ciao leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 22:08:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA04878; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:08:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:08:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3691141C.DEB3196E@boulder.quik.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:18:54 +0000 From: Jim Sincock Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boulder Pro Audio? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wEKMP2.0.Rg5.-fNas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Edwin, Do you actually have any luck shopping in Boulder, let's say at Robb's? I agree that I'd rather patronize the local pro's, (and they do fairly well on pricing) but I swear to god these sales people do not give a crap about selling. I ended up buying my VS-880 from Kraft Music in Milwaukee (my former home town) because no one locally could answer my questions on the unit. Actually, the last guy at Robb's that sold me my Boss SP-202 was relatively helpful, but that was the first time in 4 years. So maybe some pro places go under because of poor customer service. Hire people that know the stuff they sell! Seems like that is a biz rule, don't it? Jim Boulder, CO From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 22:18:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA09227; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:18:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:18:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:21:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Looping in DC Resent-Message-ID: <"-YxWI.0.1W7.kvNas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com FingerPaint will be performing at the opening reception of Darrly Dardenne, an exhibit of paintings and mixed media. Wednesday Janury 13th, 1999 at The Bar on 1416 U St. NW (next to Utopia) 202-588-7311 for more info. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 22:26:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA12685; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:26:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 22:26:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990104220149.007be200@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:01:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: speaker question retort In-Reply-To: <19990104214134.17510.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y0u8S3.0.BB.f_Nas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So anyways,I want more sound. Given my amplification, and the size of my >space (approx 15 x 20 sq ft) Does anyone have any suggestions for >speakers? I still plan on working the NS's into the setup because I like >the high's so something in the mid to bottom range is what I think I am >looking for. I use, and like, Bag End D10EX-B speakers. These are 2X10 cabs with a broad frequency response (8 Hz to 20KHz) and mind blowing low end. There is a "subwoofer" called the ELF driver (that's one of the two tens in the cab) and a coax speaker with a "tweeter" hanging in the dome of the mid speaker (the other ten). To make the ELF work, you need a special ELF processor (I use the ELF-m2). The speakers are rated at 400 a side at 4 ohms. I use this as a small PA system and the whole lot of us play through it. Small, portable, loud, thumping...I'm delighted. But they can cost ya. I got mine used off HC classifieds for a STEAL and picked up the processor new for under dealer cost (its not the sort of item that moves quickly...it sat in the music store for two years before I bought it). I loop with them, our keyboardist loops with them, and we all loop vox with them <- loop content Hasta -> Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 23:44:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA13922; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:44:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:44:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369192DC.26413CC2@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:19:40 -0600 From: Jason Winders Reply-To: winders@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WTB EDP & Footpedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Hprs.0.ok.DBPas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does any one out there have and EDP and Footpedal for sale? If so please contact me with pricing info. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 4 23:58:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20189; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:58:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:58:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36919609.FB6A5891@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:33:13 -0600 From: Jason Winders Reply-To: winders@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WTB EDP & Footpedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ot_-V3.0.U62.dNPas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does any one out there have and EDP and Footpedal for sale? If so please contact me with pricing info. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 00:32:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA00254; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:47:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:47:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990105004635.29667.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:46:35 -0800 (PST) From: robert kolosowski Subject: RE: speaker question again To: loopers -delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ytUow.0.2U1.z0Mas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com one technique i use as an aid to mixing irrespective of speaker type is to have a sample CD (generally one produced by the big budget fellas) which has the tonal characteristics i wish to mimic and switch between the two doing a type of mix matching. This assists me in getting target values for bottom end, tops etc. without too much fuss. regards Robert == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 04:12:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA27937; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 04:12:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 04:12:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: speaker question again Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 00:45:59 -0800 Message-ID: <000801be3887$d1443080$2cceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990105004635.29667.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"xwWpw2.0.Ss3.F2Tas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SGV5LCB0aGF0J3MgZ3JlYXQgYWR2aWNlISAgSSB1c2VkIHRvIGRvIHRoYXQgd2l0aCBCZWF0bGVz IENEcy4gIA0KDQpXaG8gd291bGQgYmUgYW4gYXJ0aXN0IHdob3NlIENEcyBjb3VsZCBiZSB1c2Vk IG5vd2FkYXlzIGZvciBtYXRjaGluZyBsaWtlIHRoaXM/DQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2Fn ZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiByb2JlcnQga29sb3Nvd3NraSBbbWFpbHRvOmtvbG9zb3JvQHlhaG9vLmNv bV0NClNlbnQ6IE1vbmRheSAwNCBKYW51YXJ5IDE5OTkgNDo0NyBQTQ0KVG86IGxvb3BlcnMgLWRl bGlnaHQNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJFOiBzcGVha2VyIHF1ZXN0aW9uIGFnYWluDQoNCg0Kb25lIHRlY2hu aXF1ZSBpIHVzZSBhcyBhbiBhaWQgdG8gbWl4aW5nIGlycmVzcGVjdGl2ZSBvZiBzcGVha2VyIHR5 cGUNCmlzIHRvIGhhdmUgYSBzYW1wbGUgQ0QgKGdlbmVyYWxseSBvbmUgcHJvZHVjZWQgYnkgdGhl IGJpZyBidWRnZXQNCmZlbGxhcykgd2hpY2ggaGFzIHRoZSB0b25hbCBjaGFyYWN0ZXJpc3RpY3Mg aSB3aXNoIHRvIG1pbWljIGFuZCBzd2l0Y2gNCmJldHdlZW4gdGhlIHR3byBkb2luZyBhIHR5cGUg b2YgbWl4IG1hdGNoaW5nLiBUaGlzIGFzc2lzdHMgbWUgaW4NCmdldHRpbmcgdGFyZ2V0IHZhbHVl cyBmb3IgYm90dG9tIGVuZCwgdG9wcyBldGMuIHdpdGhvdXQgdG9vIG11Y2ggZnVzcy4NCnJlZ2Fy ZHMNClJvYmVydA0KDQo9PQ0KDQpSb2JlcnQgS29sb3Nvd3NraQ0KS29sb3Nvcm9AWWFob28uY29t DQoNCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fXw0KRE8gWU9VIFlBSE9PIT8NCkdldCB5b3VyIGZyZWUgQHlhaG9vLmNvbSBhZGRyZXNzIGF0 IGh0dHA6Ly9tYWlsLnlhaG9vLmNvbQ0KDQo= From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 08:25:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA00766; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:25:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:25:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990105130519.8500.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: acid To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"v4Jpg3.0.Sp5.OrWas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow Loopers, Do any of you use the acid software? How do you like it? Dan _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 09:50:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA04181; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:50:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:50:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01be38b7$e6afbcc0$bbe328c3@gifford> Reply-To: "Gifford" From: "Gifford" To: Subject: Re: acid Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:29:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"RSx4t2.0.ye6.X5Yas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: dan sumner >Fellow Loopers, > >Do any of you use the acid software? How do you like it? I believe I tried it last year some time and it made my system crash. Can you direct me to a reliable version? Pete. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 10:50:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA29414; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:50:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:50:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901051524.AAA24530@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:24:50 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, the_wire@ukonline.co.uk, |||| Philip Pilgrim |||| , arcsound@ix.netcom.com (Archive Sound), Rob , Tom Carpenter , "P. M. Herman" , Wolfram Franke , tim gerwing , "Collins" , Syntecno , "Joseph Buck" , jeffrey@i-2000.com, Yasuo Matsunaka , Guy-Marc Hinant , fred walheer , "Hugo Haesaert" , "EMIS" , info@czukay.de, tenebre@pronet.it, vinylhead@theglobe.com, artzero@hol.fr, masset.fcom@wanadoo.fr, mieko@wolfen.netkonect.co.uk, morand.fcom@wanadoo.fr, robinr@easynet.co.uk, prikos@worldnet.fr, Luca de Marinis , hiroshi-yamazaki@kingrecords.co.jp, interval@netcom.com, Fred Becker , John Greczula , Wine Cntry , R-MODE@webtv.net (Rod Julian Modell), shimoda@xebec.co.jp, the_wire@ukonline.co.uk, enkel@tripnet.se, umu@cerbernet.co.uk, Update2@emf.org, drumfm@hotmail.com, Rapida Bim Padmasankha , eloubet@gol.com (eLoubet), "Paul D'Amato" , "Matt and Kristy McCabe" , "Laz Harris" , "Kenny Bergle" , asciiman@inetnow.net, jp.com@okay.net, Polyfusion@aol.com, "micke walter" From: Sunao Inami Subject: Kazuhisa Uchihashi lecture via Real Video Resent-Message-ID: <"D6YO5.0.Vf4.DyYas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi friends, Information: A guitarist, Kazuhisa Uchihashi special lecture via Real Video streaming from Kobe,Japan. At 8th Jan 13:00-15:00(Japanese time) GMT is 8th AM4:00-6:00 (I guess LA is 7th 20:00 - 22:00,NYC is 7th 23:00 - 8th 1:00) URL is http://www.kobedenshi.ac.jp/event/lecture/ or http://www.kobedenshi.ac.jp/event/lecture/live.ram direct connect by Real Player pnm://realserver.kobedenshi.ac.jp/studio Kazuhisa Uchihashi official web site: http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ro/bonbon/ You need a Real Player 5.0 or G2 for enjoy this streaming. if you don't have it,please get Real Player from www.real.com Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 10:59:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA00239; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:59:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901051537.HAA20022@scv3.apple.com> Subject: JamMan, Vortex FS Date: Tue, 5 Jan 99 09:39:30 -0600 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Travis Hartnett To: "Looper's Delight" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"2JJZ52.0.3X6._CZas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Harmony Central. If you're interested, respond to the e-mail address at the bottom of the ad, not to me. Travis Hartnett ********************************************************** Dealer Ad: Lexicon, TC, etc.................................. Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: (2) T.C. Electronics Stereo Chorus/Flanger pedals: Both still in box w/plastic & manual.......................$235.00 ea. (2) Lexicon LXP-15's w/manuals:.........................$400.00 ea. (1) Lexicon LXP-5: w/manual:..............................$200.00 (1) Lexicon Jamman: w/manual:...........................$200.00 (3) Lexicon Vortex's: w/manual:........................... $150.00 w/manual & F.S....................$175.00 Seller: Jim Russell, E-mail: jrusdenton@aol.com (Profile) Post Date: 1/5/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 11:02:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA01723; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:02:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:02:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE38CA.CEA82D70.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: PlusEbow Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:45:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nE-nF1.0.gk6.hEZas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com has anyone tried the new PlusEbow? Is it any good compared to the old one? * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 11:59:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA23212; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:59:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:59:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990105104007.007e29c0@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:40:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: acid In-Reply-To: <000a01be38b7$e6afbcc0$bbe328c3@gifford> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yFvXq.0.OX4.S2aas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have used this program, and I really like it. Don't expect the bootleg floating around to be a stable program. Buy the actual release. At 02:29 PM 1/5/99 -0000, you wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: dan sumner > > >>Fellow Loopers, >> >>Do any of you use the acid software? How do you like it? > > >I believe I tried it last year some time and it made my system crash. Can >you direct me to a reliable version? >Pete. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 11:59:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA23280; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:59:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990105104520.007ee560@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:45:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Re: PlusEbow In-Reply-To: <01BE38CA.CEA82D70.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Pd70N2.0.9Y4.a2aas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It is very interesting. The octave feature is a little too predictable, but very cool, nonetheless. At 04:45 PM 1/5/99 +0100, you wrote: >has anyone tried the new PlusEbow? Is it any good compared to the old one? > >* Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com >* escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music >* http://listen.to/michaelpeters > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 12:05:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25688; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:05:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:05:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901051650.LAA20672@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Date: 05 Jan 99 10:52:01 -0600 From: Ben Riesman Subject: EDP To: "Loopers-Delight" X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Ben Riesman Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"94Rnl1.0.U35.CBaas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone want to sell me a used EDP? briesman@pri.org From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 12:20:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA31990; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369242F4.573E@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:51:00 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gifford CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: acid References: <000a01be38b7$e6afbcc0$bbe328c3@gifford> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oxLP-2.0.4M5.REaas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >Fellow Loopers, > >Do any of you use the acid software? How do you like it? > I believe I tried it last year some time and it made my system crash. Can > you direct me to a reliable version? I use Acid Music and cannot reccomend it enough. It cost less than $70 at my local computer store (list is $99) and is rock solid on my measley P166. There are various versions which have been discussed here before but IMO Acid Music is the one to get as it has unlimited tracks and as far as I can tell all the features of the original Acid 1.0. The Full version now has some extra whistles and bells (DSP stuff which requires a lot more firepower in your PC) and lists at $399.00 and the mini versions (Acid Rock and Acid Techno) are limited in tracks and functionality and cost $49 List. For the extra few bucks getting ACID music really made sense for me. As a piece of software it's incredibly intuitive. I generally use it for noise collage stuff or remixes of other tracks but there's no reason it couldn't be used for a composition from start to finish. Of course they give you 100s of prerecorded loops which aren't that original but there's some good fodder even in those and you can always import your own loops and do whatever you want with them. I usually don't speak up for software but in this case Acid Music hit it right on the head with the right combination of powerful software than encourages creativity rather than limits it with esoteric functionality or an annoying interface and the price point is dead on. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 12:51:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA12090; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:51:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:43:41 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: PlusEbow Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"55_oe2.0.l92.9zaas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/5/99 10:04:43 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes: >has anyone tried the new PlusEbow? Is it any good compared to the old one? I have one, it sounds great- it has a switch that allows you to obtain tones an octave higher, which is very cool. I have never played the older ones, but it seems to get compareable tones (anyone for Heroes?), very smooth, no harshness, good attack times once you know where to play it. Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 13:09:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19486; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:09:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:09:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: RE: speaker question again Date: Tue, 5 Jan 99 11:03:06 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1296563444-3933868@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"tc7y93.0.zM3.t8bas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Good point. Unfortunately, we are losing these pro audio stores because so >many people go to them to use their services, then go to the discount store >to make the final purchase. Yes, this is a problem, but usually these pro audio stores will meet price points if they can confirm a price quote. Most of these stores have _more_ flexability than a GC or Musicians Enemy as far as price goes. Furthermore, try getting service after the sale at your local bulk outlet. You know the types of places: Bunches of acne-faced teenagers who know next to nothing about the products they are suposed to be representing, and if in this sea of mass market carnage you are able to find a knowledgeable salesperson, you can rest assured that they won't be around the mega-mart music shope for long. I may sound a bit bitter, but I've spent time as a retail sales consultant in "high-end" pro audio shopes and have had more than my share of customers come to me wanting to see all of the cool features and expansion potental in "x-synth" or "x-effects device" which I would happily take several hours to show them, only to have them bring in the device in question for service six months later. When I would ask them where they bought it, they'd invaribaly sight one of the mega-music-all-things-to-everyone(except-for-service)-stores. They'd usually tell me that they got it for $50.00 less or that tax was lower in that area. You know, find a store (or better yet, a salesperson) you can trust and work with this person. If price is an important issue, ask them to match a quote: Most good salespersons will not loose a sale over price. Then not only do you have a cool new gizzy, you've also got something just as important: a human resource. Now I know that some of you probably live in areas away from any good music stores, but even the small ones can order stuff for you, and if you pay a bit more, look at as supporting the local economy. For those of you living in big cities, seek out knowledgeable professionals and stick with them, because once the independent, service oreinted stores are gone, all we'll have are GCs etc. -doug p.s. I'm currently listening to Amon Tobin's _Permiatations_ which has some PHAT loops. Check it out. (There's your looping content) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 13:32:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29516; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:32:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:32:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36921289.10414263@csi.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:24:25 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: MPC 2000 techniques Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q2qSd.0.286.WWbas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have a few questions for all you Akai MPC 2000 users out there: - how do you set up several track layers, and turn them on and off again using the pads? this is something I would really want to use live. (sorry, my manual is in French and I'm having problems finding this function) - have any of you been using it to set up sequences with MIDI commands for controlling loopers and other stuff? I would appreciate hearing anything concerning live usage of the MPC 2000 etc. - thanks in advance! rob -the man cable- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 13:32:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29714; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:32:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:32:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: PlusEbow Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:09:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"YqN_-2.0.mX5.aRbas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have the new one (thanks, bobdog), after years of playing the old one, and also like the octave feature. The signal also seems stronger, though I am using a different guitar with much better pickups. I think that it's a good buy, particularly for someone who wants to mimic Frippic stuff quickly. -----Original Message----- From: Marzzz@aol.com [mailto:Marzzz@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 11:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PlusEbow In a message dated 1/5/99 10:04:43 AM, mpeters@csi.com writes: >has anyone tried the new PlusEbow? Is it any good compared to the old one? I have one, it sounds great- it has a switch that allows you to obtain tones an octave higher, which is very cool. I have never played the older ones, but it seems to get compareable tones (anyone for Heroes?), very smooth, no harshness, good attack times once you know where to play it. Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 13:37:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA31542; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:37:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:37:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36920BFB.9B381941@csi.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:56:27 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Next Step(?) References: <19981230034538.15410.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FaTEc3.0.JC6.1Xbas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As far as pc-based software goes, I've found Samplitude from Sek'd to be pretty powerful and easy to use. It doesn't have MIDI functionality though. As far as "real" toys go, I recently bought a MPC 2000 which is excellent as a sequencer/ sampler, especially for rhythmic stuff. I suppose it depends on where you want to use these things (i.e. live or studio) and how much stuff you want to be able to have ready in advance (i.e. arrangements, 100% improv or somewhere in between). rob -the man cable- ur eye schrieb: > > Hi folks, Well, I find myself thinking about my loops the next day. I > think that means that I am ready to look for a sampling device. I'm > going to try Cool edit for now but I would like to know what others are > using in terms of samplers and/or software. Maybe a post-party listing > of what you all are presently using would be of interest to others as > well. > Thanks again and again > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 14:06:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11951; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:06:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:06:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36925F74.2284@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 13:52:36 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MPC 2000 techniques References: <36921289.10414263@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qGO562.0.681.oxbas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cummings wrote: > I have a few questions for all you Akai MPC 2000 users out there: > - how do you set up several track layers, and turn them on and off again > using the pads? this is something I would really want to use live. > (sorry, my manual is in French and I'm having problems finding this > function) woah! Can the MPC2000 do this? As in mute tracks live using the pads assigned to the tracks like an old Alessis MMT8 sequencer? Please let me know as well! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 14:31:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22997; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:31:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990105152048.0135bcf0@brooknorth.com> X-Sender: howard@brooknorth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:20:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Howard Harawitz Subject: Re: acid In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990105104007.007e29c0@wavefront.com> References: <000a01be38b7$e6afbcc0$bbe328c3@gifford> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"P58fC.0.Oo3.iIcas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There is -- at least, there used to be -- a free demo available. It works quite well and will give you an opportunity to check out the software. Try http://www.sonicfoundry.com/ Cheers, Howard At 10:40 AM 1/5/99 -0600, you wrote: >I have used this program, and I really like it. >Don't expect the bootleg floating around to be a stable program. >Buy the actual release. > > >At 02:29 PM 1/5/99 -0000, you wrote: >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: dan sumner >> >> >>>Fellow Loopers, >>> >>>Do any of you use the acid software? How do you like it? >> >> >>I believe I tried it last year some time and it made my system crash. Can >>you direct me to a reliable version? >>Pete. >> >> >> > > ========================================================== Howard Harawitz howard@brooknorth.com ========================================================== Brooklyn North Software Works Inc. Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Telephone: 1-902-423-0257 ========================================================== Check the Halifax Harbor Cam: http://www.brooknorth.com/camsite/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 17:13:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20973; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:13:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:13:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36921289.10414263@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:56:18 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: MPC 2000 techniques Cc: r_t_cummings@csi.com, legion@voicenet.com Resent-Message-ID: <"OaV_Y2.0.zC3.hfeas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I have a few questions for all you Akai MPC 2000 users out there: > >- how do you set up several track layers, and turn them on and off again >using the pads? this is something I would really want to use live. >From the Main Screen, move the cursor to the Track On/Off field, press the Open Window button and you will then be in the Track mute screen. Here each of the 64 sequencer tracks is assigned to a seperate drum pad and can be turned on and off in real time as the sequences are playing. >(sorry, my manual is in French and I'm having problems finding this >function) The MPC manuals are available as Adobe Acrobat .PDF documents, as well as OS upgrades, from the Akai EMI website, it's address is... http://www.akai.com/akaipro/index.html Click on Downloads from the menu, there you will find the .PDF manuals for the different MPC2000 OS version, there is a version 1.0 manual, plus updates for OS versions 1.31, 1.50, 1.70. There is a link to the actual OS updates as well. Also, there is a free Sounds download page, where each month Akai posts a free set of MPC2000 sounds, as well as a free set of S-Series sampler sounds. >- have any of you been using it to set up sequences with MIDI commands >for controlling loopers and other stuff? I have been using it for controlling other gear from the sequencer, not loopers, but normal MIDI synths and samplers. >I would appreciate hearing anything concerning live usage of the MPC >2000 etc. - thanks in advance! A good place for this sort of question would be the Akai mailing list, discussing mostly Akai samplers and MPCs, it's subscribe info is as follows... Welcome to the Akai samplers mailing list. As the name implies, this list exists to discuss all models of Akai sampler, from the S612 to the S3200XL. This list is not moderated, but please try to stay on topic. Messages to the list go to "akai@cloudfactory.org". Subscription/unsubscription requests go to "majordomo@cloudfactory.org". So if you want to subscribe to is, send a messgae to majordomo@cloudfactory.org with subscribe akai in the body of the message. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 17:33:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA30020; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:33:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:33:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:23:52 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: MPC 2000 techniques Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"MCaWP2.0.lB6.43fas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/5/99 12:33:44 PM Central Standard Time, r_t_cummings@csi.com writes: << I have a few questions for all you Akai MPC 2000 users out there: (sorry, my manual is in French and I'm having problems finding this function) >> You might want to download the english version off of thier website (www.akaipro.com).... might be a little clearer. I'd help you out more, but I'm not sure I follow your first question, and haven't tried to set up the second!! Good luck. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 17:57:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA07563; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:57:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:57:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:45:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"pMWl8.0.UT.sMfas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello all, we (electric bird noise) wanna thank all involved for putting together such a professional looking and sounding cd! noticed some artist involved we're talking about putting on a show to promote the cd in colorado. how bout some of us eastcoast/northeast artist putting one together? since quite a few of you guys reside in the northern region (ny,dc,ma...etc.) the northeast seems like the most feasible area to potentially pull this off. so.......patrick smith,ed chang,frank gerace,michael preston,david kirkdorffer,kevin miller....... any one interested helping set up a loopers festival to promote this sucker? thoughts? brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 18:27:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20091; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:27:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:27:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <77f575e8.36929e58@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:20:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"8wdxJ1.0.BK4.Awfas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I would like to get both CD's if that's still possible. Please tell me how and any other particulars. Thanks, Bill 'Hawkeye' Reiter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 19:14:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA07147; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:14:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:14:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9a9044c8.3692a8fc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:06:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"d7FNT3.0.cp.9Zgas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com pittsburgh is the obvious place........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 20:00:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA27489; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:00:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:00:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36926D04.8C802E4D@csi.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:50:28 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: My web site... References: <3.0.6.32.19981230003606.007ae220@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"anzzc.0.Z76.ZHhas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Jeff, where is your site? rob -the man cable- Jeff & Vonda McLeod schrieb: > > Hi, all... > Well, I've finally gotten around to getting a small site back up to > promote my music and such. I figured I'd post here, as there are a couple > of things of interest linked up from the site. One is a compilation called > Pure Granulated Noise. 70 artists are invited to contribute one-minute > tracks. There's more info linked from my site, so please check it out, if > you're at all interested. I'll probably send everyone the info as well. > I hope to have some sound files up in the upcoming weeks, so I'll keep you > all posted. Thanks for listening! > Sincerely, > Jeff McLeod > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 20:26:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05010; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:26:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:26:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3692BAD6.60808B82@texas.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:22:35 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: PlusEbow References: <01BE38CA.CEA82D70.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2NZyj.0.Ad.mfhas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com it's fun to be able to get the harmonic overtone all the time instead of (with me t least) once in a while on accident. & the purple led is *fine*! my complaint would be that it should have a 2 color led; red for normal, fine ass purple for harmonic. did they discontinue the black one? bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 20:43:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA12494; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:43:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:43:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901060135.UAA32150@ulster.net> Subject: EDP Group Buy: Backordered units on the Way Date: Tue, 5 Jan 99 20:29:37 -0500 x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: evening To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"m8glC1.0.pe1.Yohas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, I spoke with John @ Alto Music today. He asked me to let everyone who ordered an EDP and/or Foot controller as part of the "EDP Group buy" know that 20 units w/ footpedals will be arriving from Gibson next week. The units have been backordered since November. Your credit cards will be charged once the units have been shipped to you. If you've changed your mind and wish to cancel your order just give a call & let the folks at Alto know. He ordered a few extras,so anyone who wants to take adavantage of the price (EDP$560, EDP & Pedal $660 + shipping) contact John @ Alto Music (914) 692-6922 , (914) 692-5551 fax 10-6pm Monday through Saturday peace & happy looping... jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 21:09:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23506; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:09:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:09:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <12c4ff33.3692c0ab@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:47:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: PlusEbow Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"ByaTk.0.Za3.93ias"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/5/99 11:04:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, mpeters@csi.com writes: > > has anyone tried the new PlusEbow? Is it any good compared to the old one? > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * http://listen.to/michaelpeters > > > I have an ebowplus i love the thing ive never used and old one so i dont know the diff it has the harmonic mode which is great and its supposed to have a better overall response a must buy From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 23:06:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA08445; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:06:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:06:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990106030935.00726dbc@blkbox.com> X-Sender: gonzo@blkbox.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:09:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mister McKnight Subject: Re: acid Resent-Message-ID: <"w6oy6.0.JC.epjas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 05:05 AM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote: >Fellow Loopers, > >Do any of you use the acid software? How do you like it? >Dan I like it a great deal. I got Acid Music and Acid DJ from Best Buy for about $110. You need the Acid Music to get the unlimited tracks. DJ has more interesting techno wave files than Music though. It has Acid Jazz, Dance, Industrial, and House (I've been told by some techno enthusiasts that the house waves not truly house style sounds, but I don't know). I've had a lot of fun with it so far, but after making 6 songs, I've been trying to find ways to make some of the loops fit better and sound less repetitive. It sounds good to have some repetition for a while in a song but you have to change it more often so you can keep the listener paying attention to the work (IMHO anyway). I've made my own waves as well as taken a lot of free ones off the web to play with (check www.loopmagazine.com for 3 links to web pages that have free sample libraries). Some problems I've encountered are getting the bpm adjusted properly, getting a 4/4 measure out of the loop, and making sure the loop begins and ends such that it sounds continuous. What I am having problems with using Acid is trying to whip up a drum n' bass tune. Most of the drum n' bass CD's I listen to have several different variations of a similar drum beat. You can't just lay down one drum loop from the DJ cd and then lay down another one at another point, you have to have fills and the drum n' bass beat has a certain feel to it that cancels out a lot of the beats on the cd. Obviously this can't be done with Acid alone (at least not for me, the novice). So I've been using this drum machine to generate a break-beat loop, and then make several changes to it as the tune grooves, attempting to give it the energy that a drum n' bass song needs. You also need to get some good ambient and wah effect loops, as well as some interesting bass melodies. I've had problems finding ambient loops on the web (but I hear it's trivial to make your own. I even made a few with the qy90). And still there are problems! I have a Yamaha qy90 and it just doesn't have enough drums in it to do the deed! Argh. I also have a Roland SH-101 I'm using for some heavy bass and to make some noise. I also have a guitar, 4-track recorder, digitech effects processor, and a wah peddle, which should come in handy, since I could feed a loop from the sound card, through the wah peddle, to a 4-track recorder and then play the wahhed loop off the 4-track back into the sound card. A lot of trouble, but I gotsta have that drum n' bass feel... I guess what I really need is an easy to use drum machine that's also cheap. It's weird, ever since I jumped into this hobby I always want to buy more gear...argh... Anybody have any advice for my troubles? Thanks, JM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 23:20:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA11964; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:58:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:58:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901060253.UAA05920@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: acid Date: Tue, 5 Jan 99 21:50:39 -0000 x-sender: camuscar@pop.globaldialog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: To: "Looper's Delight" , "Gifford" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Omps2.0.2J2.L_ias"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >As a piece of software it's incredibly intuitive. I generally use it for >noise collage stuff or remixes of other tracks but there's no reason it >couldn't be used for a composition from start to finish. Of course they >give you 100s of prerecorded loops which aren't that original but >there's some good fodder even in those and you can always import your >own loops and do whatever you want with them. There are some incredibly cool loops on ACID DJ, so even if you own 'Music' you may want to get DJ just for the loops. It's only $40, and the loops alone...I've seen $200 discs that don't have nearly as good or as many loops. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 23:23:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA15829; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:23:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990105221535.007b6560@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:15:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: My web site... In-Reply-To: <36926D04.8C802E4D@csi.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19981230003606.007ae220@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"w8eW23.0.cz2.6Dkas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rob, It's at: http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ Lemme know what you you think. Jeff McLeod At 08:50 PM 1/5/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Jeff, >where is your site? > >rob >-the man cable- > > >Jeff & Vonda McLeod schrieb: >> >> Hi, all... >> Well, I've finally gotten around to getting a small site back up to >> promote my music and such. I figured I'd post here, as there are a couple >> of things of interest linked up from the site. One is a compilation called >> Pure Granulated Noise. 70 artists are invited to contribute one-minute >> tracks. There's more info linked from my site, so please check it out, if >> you're at all interested. I'll probably send everyone the info as well. >> I hope to have some sound files up in the upcoming weeks, so I'll keep you >> all posted. Thanks for listening! >> Sincerely, >> Jeff McLeod >> __________________________________________ >> This is not here-- >> And now is almost over... > > > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 5 23:31:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA19346; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:31:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:31:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990105221842.007b4200@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:18:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: My web site... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iLUdA3.0.jI3.0Gkas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a re-post--since I FORGOT to include the URL in the last email! Sorry, folks. J. Hi, all... Well, I've finally gotten around to getting a small site back up to promote my music and such. I figured I'd post here, as there are a couple of things of interest linked up from the site. One is a compilation called Pure Granulated Noise. 70 artists are invited to contribute one-minute tracks. There's more info linked from my site, so please check it out, if you're at all interested. I'll probably send everyone the info as well. I hope to have some sound files up in the upcoming weeks, so I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for listening! Sincerely, Jeff McLeod http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 00:06:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA01656; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:06:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:06:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901060457.UAA06334@toucan.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:18:24 -0800 Subject: Re: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? From: "Matt and Kristy McCabe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_jInU1.0.6I7.Upkas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I would like to get both CD's if that's still possible. Please tell me how >and any other particulars. > >Thanks, > Bill 'Hawkeye' Reiter Bill, Point your favorite browser to: http://www.finleysound.com/Looper_CD.html Volume 1 isn't currently available...but we are working on it. Matt __________________________________ Matthew F. McCabe Finley Sound Design http://www.finleysound.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 00:24:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA05315; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:59:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:59:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990106031114.007463f4@blkbox.com> X-Sender: gonzo@blkbox.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:11:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mister McKnight Subject: Re: Kazuhisa Uchihashi lecture via Real Video Resent-Message-ID: <"EFHLU3.0.4P.Arjas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Will this be in English or have subtitled text or something? Thanks, JM At 12:24 AM 1/6/99 +0900, you wrote: >Hi friends, > >Information: > >A guitarist, Kazuhisa Uchihashi special lecture via Real Video streaming >from Kobe,Japan. > >At 8th Jan 13:00-15:00(Japanese time) GMT is 8th AM4:00-6:00 >(I guess LA is 7th 20:00 - 22:00,NYC is 7th 23:00 - 8th 1:00) > > >URL is >http://www.kobedenshi.ac.jp/event/lecture/ >or >http://www.kobedenshi.ac.jp/event/lecture/live.ram > >direct connect by Real Player >pnm://realserver.kobedenshi.ac.jp/studio > >Kazuhisa Uchihashi official web site: >http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ro/bonbon/ > >You need a Real Player 5.0 or G2 for enjoy this streaming. >if you don't have it,please get Real Player from www.real.com > > Regards > > Sunao Inami > > >Work >E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com >URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com >tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan > >Home >E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp >tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan > >snail mail address 316 Ohshima > Kuchiyokawa > Miki City > Hyogo > Japan > 6730755 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 01:54:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA13777; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:54:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:54:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <77f575e8.36929e58@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:46:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? Resent-Message-ID: <"gVxOJ1.0.le2.nPmas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I would like to get both CD's if that's still possible. Please tell me how >and any other particulars. > If you go to the top of the Looper's Delight website, you'll find links to info on all the cd projects, including the link to marathon records where you can buy the vol2 disks: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 02:09:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA18954; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:09:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:09:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990106070312.19440.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: DL/AM-8000 vs Vortex? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"YBXKv1.0.Lw3.Jemas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks- I've found a source that promises me a new (meaning never opened or used) Vortex for $300. Now I'm seeing letters about the two Korg products along with descrip- tions of being Vortex-like. If memory serves, I think the Korgs are selling for under $350. Would anyone care to offer their .02 as to which one to buy, & why? I presently own an EDP w/50 sec (soon to be 3 min) of delay. I also have a Digitech 2112 & a 2101 Artist. I usually use the EDP to loop distorted or clean sounds from the 2101 & then let the 2112 provide stereo/pan/ phase effects to the loops. I'm intrigued by all of the comments over the years about the Vortex, but was completely unaware of the Korg products until the recent letters. Thanks for any help you can provide. == John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 02:09:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA18966; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:09:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:09:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36930A9D.76D0F54@dial.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 07:02:53 +0000 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jam References: <199901050023.TAA30299@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-cDaF3.0.Cm3.bcmas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Guys, Found this in the December issue of Sound on Sound Magazine, (UK) Lex Jamman perfect condition NEVER USED!! 32 Sec memory expansion £offers phone Brian 01304 822226 Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 02:41:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA00506; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:41:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:41:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: acid Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:38:04 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01be3947$7e8a32c0$2cceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990106030935.00726dbc@blkbox.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"OnAm73.0.9T7.o8nas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com R3JlYXQgY29tbWVudHMsIEpNLiAgSSB3b3VsZCByZWNvbW1lbmQgdGhlIEJvc3MgRHIuIFJ5dGht IERSNjYwLiAgSSB0aGluayBpdCdzIGEga2lsbGVyIHVuaXQuICBOb3dhZGF5cyBpdCdzIG5vdCBz byBleHBlbnNpdmUuICBUaGUgc2FtcGxlIGNvbXBvc2l0aW9uIHdpbGwgbGVhdmUgeW91IHNoYWtp bmcsIGR1ZGUuDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBNaXN0ZXIgTWNL bmlnaHQgW21haWx0bzpnb256b0BibGtib3guY29tXQ0KU2VudDogVHVlc2RheSAwNSBKYW51YXJ5 IDE5OTkgNzoxMCBQTQ0KVG86IExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBhbm5paGlsaXN0LmNvbQ0KU3ViamVj dDogUmU6IGFjaWQNCg0KDQpBdCAwNTowNSBBTSAxLzUvOTkgLTA4MDAsIHlvdSB3cm90ZToNCj5G ZWxsb3cgTG9vcGVycywNCg0KSSBndWVzcyB3aGF0IEkgcmVhbGx5IG5lZWQgaXMgYW4gZWFzeSB0 byB1c2UgZHJ1bSBtYWNoaW5lIHRoYXQncw0KYWxzbyBjaGVhcC4gSXQncyB3ZWlyZCwgZXZlciBz aW5jZSBJIGp1bXBlZCBpbnRvIHRoaXMgaG9iYnkgSSANCmFsd2F5cyB3YW50IHRvIGJ1eSBtb3Jl IGdlYXIuLi5hcmdoLi4uDQoNCkFueWJvZHkgaGF2ZSBhbnkgYWR2aWNlIGZvciBteSB0cm91Ymxl cz8NCg0KVGhhbmtzLA0KSk0NCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 12:04:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA05072; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:04:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:04:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:49:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001CB5F4.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re: acid To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"VOsI62.0.fy7.BJvas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all = I bought another of the ACID variants - "Ph1" - back in November. =A3= 79 = in the UK and approx $100 US. Seems to have replaced in the shops he= re = already by "Music". Not sure if/what the difference is - it's much t= he = same as the full px, without support for multiple sound cards, = effects, or MIDI/SMPTE synch, as I remember. = Definitely worth having, both for looping and as a multi-tracker, = although the latter is sometimes a bit harder to work with. The main= = px has been reviewed all over the place in the last few months - = Electronic Musician (Nov 1998), (just plain old) Musician = , Sound On Sound (Nov = '98?), the current (Jan 99) issue of which contains a guest editoria= l = decrying how easy ACID makes it for anyone to knock together a dance= = track, often using the author's sample discs... = Not that ACID is solely dance-oriented. As several other have noted,= = its easy to use your own WAV's, there are some interesting "world" = loops a layer or two down in the directories, and also some samples = from DT's Pandora's Box collection if you search for them (or just = bump into 'em as I did). = If still in doubt, get a demo from the sonic foundry site or some of= = the cover discs. I had no problem with it, or the "proper" px. Its = both simple to use, or potentially V. deep (in terms of panning, = volume changes, using fragments of samples without needing to edit t= he = original WAV etc) = = Cheers = David = (one ACID laced eg available at: = From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 13:57:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA23228; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:12:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:12:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990106144012.0074a9cc@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 15:40:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: acid Resent-Message-ID: <"kKQCe2.0.6Z2.zLtas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have to say that Acid is the perfect tool for drum & bass programming. Maybe you haven't tried the key S to chop the loop in all the parts you want... tha basis for the breakbeat ;) I use Acid a lot but rarely whole loops going on and on. I think it's pretty boring in that way. BTW I mainly program my basic beats using other programs or my sampler. Then I arrange and edit in Acid. If I had to buy a prog for the next decade that would be Acid. It's really great and flexible (no warez... I had it for testing...) for ALL the musical styles. let me know it it's all clear ;) ciao leo PS It's really hard to have seriuos d&b tracks using a drum machine. Use only Acid with the classic breakbeats you can find on the Net and you'll have great results. Check ftp://ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming/Freeform.mp3 for a little example. A lot of this comes from Acid (plus A3000, VST, Wavesurgeon, Waves plugins, SoundForge, Wavelab, etc.....) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 14:01:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA30431; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:30:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:30:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <11a93ed5.36937726@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:45:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DL/AM-8000 vs Vortex? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"0YVno2.0.M93.EStas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Among the many messages about the Korgs, someone asked: <> I've had a Vortex as well as these Korg pups, so here's my $0.02: There's really nothing like a Vortex--it was uniquely endowed with clever and musical tricks (morphing, odd beat ratios, etc...), and many interface weirdnesses and annoyances, never since duplicated. The Korgs can be similarly described, but the tricks (and weirdnesses) of course are different. The DL's strengths, IMHO, are its delay lengths, the stereo capability, and the preset rhythms in ping-pong multitap mode. I haven't much explored its modulation options, which are pretty rich, because the AM is there to do that kind of thing. IT'S strengths, for me, are modulation and resonance. It's got a good complement of filters, phasers, flangers, shifters, dopplers, mod delays, and ring mod'ers, most of which can really sing, oscillate, and bubble, using lfos built into the algorithms in question. Unfortunately, it has no global lfos, BUT it does have FOUR exp-pedal inputs (seems to require Korg EXP-2 pedals...EV-5s don't work well), and does have pretty good MIDI implementation, as well as mucho routing flexibility--plus the reverbs are not at all bad, and they're in addition to the two identical FX blocks. For more detail on both units, be sure to check out the Korg website, and my reviews of them at harmony-central.com. I believe Guitar Player Mag also reviewed them positively, as did Sound on Sound Mag, which usually has old reviews available at their site. Musician's Fiend is currently selling each one for $350, which is $30 less than best price I had previously found. Retail is $600. Be glad to answer any more particular queries if I can...I don't believe anyone looking for a powerful looper or a creative loop mangler would be disappointed with these badly-marketed tools. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 14:54:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA14061; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:54:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:54:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "William A. Cummings" To: Subject: RE: acid Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:40:56 -0600 Message-ID: <000901be39b4$dc1a4c00$62439ad1@bill-s-computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990106144012.0074a9cc@mail.dada.it> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"ksUeu.0.D-.ffxas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What is the key S ? How do you do this in Acid ? BC -----Original Message----- From: Leonardo Cavallo [mailto:cavallo@dada.it] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: acid I have to say that Acid is the perfect tool for drum & bass programming. Maybe you haven't tried the key S to chop the loop in all the parts you want... tha basis for the breakbeat ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 15:24:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27245; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:24:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:24:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990106201744.14377.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.56.96.18] From: "Devious D_MasterMixer" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: acid The S Key Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 12:17:43 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"bfQlR2.0.Rs5.lIyas"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The "S" Key is the split key. It enables you to split the wave form at the cursor by hitting "S" after you have selected the waveform, by highlighting it. >>What is the key S ? >How do you do this in Acid ? >BC >-----Original Message----- >From: Leonardo Cavallo [mailto:cavallo@dada.it] >Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:40 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: acid > >I have to say that Acid is the perfect tool for drum & bass programming. >Maybe you haven't tried the key S to chop the loop in all the parts you >want... tha basis for the breakbeat ;) > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 21:36:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA19312; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:36:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:36:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950860E2@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digital recording Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:25:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"zpb3F1.0.wh3.Yj1bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For years I've been recording my Echoplex loops straight to cassette. I'm looking to upgrade in sound quality so I can make better copies. I was wondering if anyone has tried mini-discs for this? Or how about the relatively inexpensive stand-alone CD burners? (They're running for about $500 these days) I'm still trying to keep my PC far away from my music equipment, but I am considering buying a new PC and adding a CD burner. I have heard that you can only make 7 copies of a mini-disc master (to prevent bootlegging), and I think I heard the same about CD burners. This would kill my plan for making a master demo and copying it to cassettes. Any help would be greatly appreciated! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 22:56:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA20665; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:56:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:56:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901070341.VAA02582@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: RE: acid The S Key Date: Wed, 6 Jan 99 22:38:52 -0000 x-sender: camuscar@pop.globaldialog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"iswWE1.0.GO3.jo2bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Here's another feature that's just as useful: grab the pencil tool, hold it over the wave, click-hold the right mouse then click-hold the left mouse button, then SLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE that ol' wave left 'n' right for some SERIOUS EDITING. YOW! >The "S" Key is the split key. >It enables you to split the wave form at the cursor by hitting >"S" after you have selected the waveform, by highlighting it. > > >>>What is the key S ? >>How do you do this in Acid ? >>BC >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Leonardo Cavallo [mailto:cavallo@dada.it] >>Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:40 AM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: acid >> >>I have to say that Acid is the perfect tool for drum & bass >programming. >>Maybe you haven't tried the key S to chop the loop in all the parts you >>want... tha basis for the breakbeat ;) >> >> >> >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 6 23:34:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA04109; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:34:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:34:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <36497322.369435a0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:18:40 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Digital recording Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"eRUac1.0.KT7.AN3bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/6/99 8:38:15 PM Central Standard Time, TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes: << I was wondering if anyone has tried mini-discs for this? Or how about the relatively inexpensive stand-alone CD burners? (They're running for about $500 these days) >> I really like the Phillips 2600 cdd burner unit... I have one in a stand alone case, but also able to interface with my pc.... have burned about 150 discs so far and only two or three coasters...one because the fates shat on me that day, one due to a loose cable, and one due to unfamiliar authoring software..... I have heard some good things done on minidisc, but look with suspicion at the compression schemes and the jettising of "inaudable"/irrelevant frequencies/material... that just sounds less than good, when cd's are almost as easy an option. << I have heard that you can only make 7 copies of a mini-disc master (to prevent bootlegging), and I think I heard the same about CD burners. This would kill my plan for making a master demo and copying it to cassettes. >> Not really, I think that applies to copying from disc to disc to disc, rather than from a disc to cassette. I don't know about minidiscs, I know that some AUDIO-ONLY cd burners have some of this bullshit intwined in them, that's why I've given up plans to buy one... the computer cd burners, at least mine, have no such limits... I have burned copies of discs, then run off copies for other people without running into copy-protect snags. Good luck. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 00:06:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA18016; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:06:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990107000354.007a0c50@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:03:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digital recording In-Reply-To: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950860E2@EXCHANGENY> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yD3zg1.0.Fn3.Rz3bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thomas, If you're looking for something to master on, you might be better off with DAT, maybe something like the Tascam DA20MKII or the Fostex D5, both in the price range you mentioned for a CD burner. I do use a mini-disc deck, but in sort of an unusual way. It wouldn't be that great for mastering, but if you've got a model with a REPEAT 1 function, you can load discs full of loops into it, using this as a sound source to feed a delay or even to run straight. It can be a little tricky to catch the beginning and end of the recording so it will loop properly, but the MD allows you to edit a track without disturbing the rest of the disc, something you're not able to do with a cassette deck. It really is a poor man's sampler, though; you can't trigger it with MIDI, you can't correct for pitch or speed without running it through an external unit. You can record up to 25 items or 74 minutes (stereo, twice that in mono) whichever comes first. But if you're using the MD to play loops, you'll probably never come anywhere near the 74 minute mark, since the 25 track limit usually totals 8 or 10 minutes, unless you're doing really long loops. The track naming feature is useful in helping you access the contents of the disc, and scrolling is almost instantaneous. It only takes a second or so to locate a track and get it playing... Try THAT with cassette! As far as copying the MD to cassette, the Serial Copy Management System would not be a problem, since it doesn't apply to the analog outs. If you want to go from MD to MD or MD to DAT, however, the digital outs permit only first generation copies. You COULD copy to MD or DAT using the analog outs, though, but that kind of defeats the purpose of digital recording even though it's still a lot better than cassette! Since you've already got an Echoplex, the MD would be, by comparison, of limited usefulness for looping. It is, however, an affordable way to get more loops going at the same time. You'd probably also be better off with DAT than a CD burner for mastering, at least until CD-Rs become a dependable re-writable medium. They get pretty expensive. Hope this has been some help... ; At 09:25 PM 1/6/99 -0500, Thomas Rupolo wrote: > >For years I've been recording my Echoplex loops straight to cassette. >I'm looking to upgrade in sound quality so I can make better copies. I >was wondering if anyone has tried mini-discs for this? Or how about the >relatively inexpensive stand-alone CD burners? (They're running for >about $500 these days) I'm still trying to keep my PC far away from my >music equipment, but I am considering buying a new PC and adding a CD >burner. > >I have heard that you can only make 7 copies of a mini-disc master (to >prevent bootlegging), and I think I heard the same about CD burners. >This would kill my plan for making a master demo and copying it to >cassettes. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 00:27:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA27096; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:27:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:27:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <3f4a0577.36944511@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:24:33 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Digital recording Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"EAWnD2.0.QF6.tJ4bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/6/99 8:38:15 PM Central Standard Time, TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com writes: << I have heard that you can only make 7 copies of a mini-disc master (to prevent bootlegging), and I think I heard the same about CD burners. This would kill my plan for making a master demo and copying it to cassettes. Any help would be greatly appreciated! >> I've used a Yamaha 4-track minidisc (MD4) to record my Echoplex 'wanderings' and I've never seen any 7-disc restriction. And I've burned dozens of copies to CD in my computer and never run into any restriction either. 'Hawkeye' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 01:20:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA14145; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:20:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:20:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Trisstine@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:14:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: re: David Torn Interview(finally!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"e5fmP3.0.7-2.v15bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Listfolk, 1/6 Just received my March '99 issue of Guitar Shop and to my utter disbelief, amazement, astonishment, etc., hidden away in the middle of the normally bland guitar rag, is a David Torn interview! Although Adrian Belew and Rush(!) are featured, the DT interview makes it worthwhile. It's got a cool list of his effects and pedals but sadly, no scary science project schematics, guess they had to make room for Dimebag Darrel's oh so bitchin' set-up.(save your applause please) Anyway, check it out. A good(if entirely too short) interview and some nice pictures to boot. O.K., I'm a fan. So sue me! Chris Olden From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 01:19:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10060; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:04:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:04:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990107052023.0070b6e0@blkbox.com> X-Sender: gonzo@blkbox.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:20:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mister McKnight Subject: Re: acid Resent-Message-ID: <"LOPVx.0.6-1._q4bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 03:40 PM 1/6/99 +0100, you wrote: >I have to say that Acid is the perfect tool for drum & bass programming. >Maybe you haven't tried the key S to chop the loop in all the parts you >want... tha basis for the breakbeat ;) Yeah. I should definitely RTF online pdf file. I wish software would come with a printed manual like the old days... >I use Acid a lot but rarely whole loops going on and on. I think it's pretty >boring in that way. BTW I mainly program my basic beats using other programs >or my sampler. Then I arrange and edit in Acid. > >If I had to buy a prog for the next decade that would be Acid. It's really >great and flexible (no warez... I had it for testing...) for ALL the musical >styles. > >PS It's really hard to have seriuos d&b tracks using a drum machine. Use >only Acid with the classic breakbeats you can find on the Net and you'll >have great results. Check ftp://ftp.teklab.com/teklab/incoming/Freeform.mp3 >for a little example. A lot of this comes from Acid (plus A3000, VST, >Wavesurgeon, Waves plugins, SoundForge, Wavelab, etc.....) I'll definitely keep this in mind. That mp3 file sounds pretty cool. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 02:29:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA09568; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:29:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:29:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: Downloading from the EDP Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:27:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000501be3a0f$21351540$1aceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950860E2@EXCHANGENY> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"p2_Cb.0.hw1.356bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com SXMgdGhlcmUgYSB3YXkgdG8gZG93bmxvYWQgdGhlIGRpZ2l0YWwgV0FWIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGlu c2lkZSB0aGUgRURQIHRvIEhERD8gIEtleXdvcmRzOiAgZHVtcDsgc2F2ZSB0byBkaXNrOyBleHBv cnQ7IGV0Yy4NCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IFRob21hcyBSdXBv bG8gW21haWx0bzpUUlVQT0xPQHJpenpvbGl1c2EuY29tXQ0KU2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5IDA2IEph bnVhcnkgMTk5OSA2OjI2IFBNDQpUbzogTG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGFubmloaWxpc3QuY29tDQpT dWJqZWN0OiBEaWdpdGFsIHJlY29yZGluZw0KDQoNCg0KRm9yIHllYXJzIEkndmUgYmVlbiByZWNv cmRpbmcgbXkgRWNob3BsZXggbG9vcHMgc3RyYWlnaHQgdG8gY2Fzc2V0dGUuDQpJJ20gbG9va2lu ZyB0byB1cGdyYWRlIGluIHNvdW5kIHF1YWxpdHkgc28gSSBjYW4gbWFrZSBiZXR0ZXIgY29waWVz LiAgSQ0Kd2FzIHdvbmRlcmluZyBpZiBhbnlvbmUgaGFzIHRyaWVkIG1pbmktZGlzY3MgZm9yIHRo aXM/ICBPciBob3cgYWJvdXQgdGhlDQpyZWxhdGl2ZWx5IGluZXhwZW5zaXZlIHN0YW5kLWFsb25l IENEIGJ1cm5lcnM/IChUaGV5J3JlIHJ1bm5pbmcgZm9yDQphYm91dCAkNTAwIHRoZXNlIGRheXMp ICBJJ20gc3RpbGwgdHJ5aW5nIHRvIGtlZXAgbXkgUEMgZmFyIGF3YXkgZnJvbSBteQ0KbXVzaWMg ZXF1aXBtZW50LCBidXQgSSBhbSBjb25zaWRlcmluZyBidXlpbmcgYSBuZXcgUEMgYW5kIGFkZGlu ZyBhIENEDQpidXJuZXIuDQoNCkkgaGF2ZSBoZWFyZCB0aGF0IHlvdSBjYW4gb25seSBtYWtlIDcg Y29waWVzIG9mIGEgbWluaS1kaXNjIG1hc3RlciAodG8NCnByZXZlbnQgYm9vdGxlZ2dpbmcpLCBh bmQgSSB0aGluayBJIGhlYXJkIHRoZSBzYW1lIGFib3V0IENEIGJ1cm5lcnMuDQpUaGlzIHdvdWxk IGtpbGwgbXkgcGxhbiBmb3IgbWFraW5nIGEgbWFzdGVyIGRlbW8gYW5kIGNvcHlpbmcgaXQgdG8N CmNhc3NldHRlcy4NCg0KQW55IGhlbHAgd291bGQgYmUgZ3JlYXRseSBhcHByZWNpYXRlZCENCg0K From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 06:33:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA16122; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:33:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:33:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000c01be3a30$18f36c80$bbe328c3@gifford> Reply-To: "Gifford" From: "Gifford" To: Subject: Re: Digital recording Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:22:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"zT5wD3.0.JY2.4Y9bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Crossedout@aol.com ><< I have heard that you can only make 7 copies of a mini-disc master (to > prevent bootlegging), and I think I heard the same about CD burners. > This would kill my plan for making a master demo and copying it to > cassettes. >> > > >Not really, I think that applies to copying from disc to disc to disc, rather >than from a disc to cassette. I don't know about minidiscs, I know that some >AUDIO-ONLY cd burners have some of this bullshit intwined in them, that's why >I've given up plans to buy one... the computer cd burners, at least mine, have >no such limits... I have burned copies of discs, then run off copies for other >people without running into copy-protect snags. > 'morning all, It's also worth bearing in mind that some brands of PC CD burners have a short run-life. HP burners, apparently, have a counter inside them which registers how many CDs you have made, regardless of what they are. Once the counter reaches 1000 the burner feels perfectly within its rights to start irreparably malfunctioning. Pete. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 08:10:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA23388; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:10:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:10:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <003301be3a3d$9bc2bf00$0f409ad1@default> From: "Bill Cummings" To: Subject: Re: drum machine for D&B Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:40:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"1vcaB3.0.X_4.l2Bbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've heard that the new Boss DR202 drum machine is geared to Drum and Bass, and other electonic styles. > >I guess what I really need is an easy to use drum machine that's >also cheap. It's weird, ever since I jumped into this hobby I >always want to buy more gear...argh... > >Anybody have any advice for my troubles? > >Thanks, >JM > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 11:15:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA03282; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:15:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:15:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01be3a30$18f36c80$bbe328c3@gifford> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:12:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Digital recording Resent-Message-ID: <"zS5HC2.0.n.mlDbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Crossedout@aol.com >'morning all, >It's also worth bearing in mind that some brands of PC CD burners have a >short run-life. HP burners, apparently, have a counter inside them which >registers how many CDs you have made, regardless of what they are. Once the >counter reaches 1000 the burner feels perfectly within its rights to start >irreparably malfunctioning. >Pete. I hope this is facetious. Or someone knows how toset those counters back on Yamaha units. I intend to burn quite a few discs! Edwin PS If anyone needs anything transferred to discs, I am very reasonable! Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 11:36:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11953; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:36:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:36:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Digital recording Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:18:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"JfE1Y1.0.dr1.50Ebs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No flame meant, as I'm not sure if this reply is facetious, but you may want to be a little more careful about making a statement that may be considered slanderous or libelous (can you slander or libel a product?). You never know if it's a company rep. behind that screen name, and how they may take your comments in such a wide-open forum. -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Hurwitz [mailto:edwin@indra.com] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digital recording >-----Original Message----- >From: Crossedout@aol.com >'morning all, >It's also worth bearing in mind that some brands of PC CD burners have a >short run-life. HP burners, apparently, have a counter inside them which >registers how many CDs you have made, regardless of what they are. Once the >counter reaches 1000 the burner feels perfectly within its rights to start >irreparably malfunctioning. >Pete. I hope this is facetious. Or someone knows how toset those counters back on Yamaha units. I intend to burn quite a few discs! Edwin PS If anyone needs anything transferred to discs, I am very reasonable! Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 13:38:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA31286; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:38:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:38:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: Digital recording Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:34:01 -0800 Message-ID: <001201be3a63$ea043470$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000c01be3a30$18f36c80$bbe328c3@gifford> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"WOzU_1.0.9g3.RQFbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > 'morning all, > It's also worth bearing in mind that some brands of PC CD burners have a > short run-life. HP burners, apparently, have a counter inside them which > registers how many CDs you have made, regardless of what they > are. Once the > counter reaches 1000 the burner feels perfectly within its rights to start > irreparably malfunctioning. > Pete. > > AYFR? I thought it only counted to about 50 :> I have been using an HP Shurestore for quite a while now, but I'm sure I never got to a thousand cd before the thing crapped out and had to be returned. So basicly, HP send me a new cd burner every year or so thanks to the warrantee. Jonathan El-Bizri From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 15:07:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09328; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:07:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:07:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01be3a30$18f36c80$bbe328c3@gifford> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:44:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Digital recording Resent-Message-ID: <"zXzZM.0.pR1.cxGbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >'morning all, >It's also worth bearing in mind that some brands of PC CD burners have a >short run-life. HP burners, apparently, have a counter inside them which >registers how many CDs you have made, regardless of what they are. Once the >counter reaches 1000 the burner feels perfectly within its rights to start >irreparably malfunctioning. >Pete. seems sort of unlikely to me, especially with a company like HP. Could be some reliability problem in one of their drives that causes them to fail, and it just seems intentional..... No, we computer industry folks don't need tricks like that to make you buy new gear. That stuff is for light bulb manufacturers. We just do things like introduce unnecessary new standards and technologies that are incompatible with the old ones, or add some pointless set of new features each year, or introduce new software versions that for the most part are just bigger and slower than the old ones so that you feel you need a faster machine to use it. And then we hype it mercilessly so that you all think you must have this new thing and replace your perfectly good old stuff with it. And then we do it to you again next year. 450MHz, 6G HD, 256MB SDRAM might make you a stud today, but we'll make sure you think it's scrap metal in a few months. You all keep falling for it, so we have no plans to change this strategy. My stock portfolio thanks you. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 15:20:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA11315; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:20:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: DL/AM-8000 vs Vortex? Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:40:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"cpRB83.0.OY1.9_Gbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The vortex is unique. It's a little odd. Stereo shows the best side of the device. No midi at all. Smooth hi-quality sounding stuff. It has multi-tap (2) capabilities, and good panning, trem., vibrato, resonator effects. There are 16 or so parameters to modify. There are 32 User defined sound areas (16A + 16B). Two second looping capbility if you set things a certtain way. These are plenty for me when compbined w/other effects.... The manual is pretty good at walking you around a unique and different device. Uses a wall-wart for power The Korgs have extensive midi control. Stereo would show the best side of these effects too. Manuals are short and could be much more helpful. They use an odd wall-wart (to my limited experience) -- where the "wart" is in the middle of a longer power chord. Good quality sounds too. AM - this is the one with the wider range of shape shifting effects I think (i don't have it, but this is what I've picked up...) Modulators, panning trem / vibrato, distortions. Also has reverbs. Seems to have lots of parameters to tweek. More wacky sounds (I'm guessing!). DL - this is the one with 10 secons mono -- or 4.8 seconds stereo looping. I have this just recently. Multi-tap capabilities (three per side L-R). Lots of patterns to the taps. Panning Chorus, flange, trem / vibrato. Lots of parameters to tweek. More of a "Delay." Delays can be synced with incoming signals. Would be way cool for keys and sequencers I think -- to really screw around w/tempos. Hope that helps. dk > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tidwell [SMTP:wedgehed@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 2:03 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: DL/AM-8000 vs Vortex? > > Hi folks- > > I've found a source that promises me a new (meaning > never opened or used) Vortex for $300. Now I'm seeing > letters about the two Korg products along with descrip- > tions of being Vortex-like. If memory serves, I think > the Korgs are selling for under $350. Would anyone > care to offer their .02 as to which one to buy, & why? > > I presently own an EDP w/50 sec (soon to be 3 min) of > delay. I also have a Digitech 2112 & a 2101 Artist. > I usually use the EDP to loop distorted or clean sounds > from the 2101 & then let the 2112 provide stereo/pan/ > phase effects to the loops. > > I'm intrigued by all of the comments over the years > about the Vortex, but was completely unaware of the > Korg products until the recent letters. > > Thanks for any help you can provide. > > > > > > > == > John Tidwell > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 15:41:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA14445; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:41:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:41:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:57:57 EST To: DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"kWtg1.0.Hz1.l8Hbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/7/99 2:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, DKirkdorffer@exapps.com writes: > Frank G and I are in Boston. We could pull something together here, is my > guess. > sounds promising lets see if we can get some of the others interested (finger paint,dreamchild,ed chang etc.) brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 16:18:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA20909; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:18:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:18:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000a01be3a7f$e7426ba0$bbe328c3@gifford> Reply-To: "Gifford" From: "Gifford" To: Subject: Re: Digital recording Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:54:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"cWpb7.0.b44.PyHbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My comments regarding counters in PC burners were based on information from my PC repair shop. I also have two colleagues whose burners have packed in as they approached the 1000 CD mark. If any manufacturer can disprove the presence of a counter then, let's hear from them. I am willing to aopologise if I have forwarded misinformation. I would like to be wrong about this as it smacks of dishonesty, something we can all do without. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com >No flame meant, as I'm not sure if this reply is facetious, but you may want >to be a little more careful about making a statement that may be considered >slanderous or libelous (can you slander or libel a product?). You never >know if it's a company rep. behind that screen name, and how they may take >your comments in such a wide-open forum. >>'morning all, >>It's also worth bearing in mind that some brands of PC CD burners have a >>short run-life. HP burners, apparently, have a counter inside them which >>registers how many CDs you have made, regardless of what they are. Once the >>counter reaches 1000 the burner feels perfectly within its rights to start >>irreparably malfunctioning. >>Pete. > >I hope this is facetious. Or someone knows how toset those counters back on >Yamaha units. I intend to burn quite a few discs! > >Edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 16:53:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26436; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:53:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:53:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:19:57 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: David Torn Interview(finally!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vc1sy3.0.RE5.iLIbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i thought it was interesting in the adrian interview that he talks about looping a lot also. i was looking at the belew video, electronic guitar, last night and his stuff with the eh 16 second delay is awesome. i am totally psyched to hear the loops he does now. even though adrian has been kind of "poppy" these days i still think he has a lot of cutting edge music still in him. =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 17:41:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA04065; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:41:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:41:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:33:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? Resent-Message-ID: <"Q1NDC3.0.iM.bIJbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 1/7/99 2:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, >DKirkdorffer@exapps.com writes: > >> Frank G and I are in Boston. We could pull something together here, is my >> guess. >> >sounds promising >lets see if we can get some of the others interested (finger >paint,dreamchild,ed chang etc.) >brian Well FingerPaint is always interested in a new city. It's a bit of a trek from DC to Boston. Someone mentioned Pittsburgh the other day. Could Ed Chang set up something in New York. We could definately set up a gig here in DC, but with my best efforts, it's always hard to get an audience for the more experimental type of music around here. Hell it does not even need to be far off the beaten muiscal grove and it's still hard to draw a crowd. Perhpas we should take this discussion off the list though. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 19:02:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA20476; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:02:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:02:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <4f373b77.36954863@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:50:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: drum machine for D&B Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"-ra1K2.0.A84.oWKbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/7/99 7:12:25 AM Central Standard Time, billcumm@sprynet.com writes: << I've heard that the new Boss DR202 drum machine is geared to Drum and Bass, and other electonic styles. >> This is true, but it's also difficult to manuever through without the manual, doesn't sound really good (IMHO), and is built more like a toy than a tool. True, the filters are fun to play with, but while I was test driving it, I found myself more often than not crawling into a corner that couldn't be backed out of, and having to turn the machine on and off. If you have nothing, it might be worthwhile, but I'd personally wait and see if it sells at all, or if you can pick it up this fall for half the price when Roland unveils it's "new(est) hot techno/d'n'b/electro-box"... like they seem to be doing every three months now. And I will come clean, lest I offend any big fans of the 202 out there, that I was checking into it for a friend who was interested but wanted my opinion, and was trying it out in the store, with headphones and no manual to work from, not plugged into my monitors and tweaking it for hours in the comfort of my own home. But judging from my previous experience with Roland manuals, I'm not sure it would have helped anyway. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 20:13:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA03693; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:13:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:13:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Trisstine@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:53:19 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: David Torn Interview(finally!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"CbfFA2.0.-c7.URLbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PJ, 1/7 Yeah, I thought it was interesting as well that Adrian mentioned looping so prominently in his as well. Although, I think that DT is right about looping not catching on yet. I almost have the feeling that people see it as a fad of sorts. You tell people "sampling" and they almost automat- ically think of rap records and those obnoxious 80's Fairlight samples. Since I come from a pretty much rock guitar background, it's taken me a while to realize the (smallest fraction of) potential of looping units and looping as a genuine means of musical expression. So I'm trying to incor- porate both the mondo chunk distortion and screaming guitar I love so much with the effects and looping capability I'm interested in as my next "project", but still trying to keep that "organic" (for lack of a better term) thing happening. I'm sure you already have it, but have you heard Gtr Oblq yet? Very cool indeed. I just wish they'd make it out to the west coast. Well, thanks for the reply and best wishes for a great New Year! Sincerely, Chris Olden From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 20:20:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA04927; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:20:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3695586C.BB2232BF@home.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:59:26 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: acid References: <001CB5F4.1424@mail.bl.uk> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------02C45CE22AECD9CACF747FFB" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ahkv53.0.ri7.AULbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------02C45CE22AECD9CACF747FFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anything on the Mac platform, currently or on the horizon, that will do what Acid does? --------------02C45CE22AECD9CACF747FFB Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ngold.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Neil Goldstein Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ngold.vcf" begin:vcard n:Goldstein;Neil x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:ngold@home.com fn:Neil Goldstein end:vcard --------------02C45CE22AECD9CACF747FFB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 22:21:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA00664; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:21:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:21:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:14:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901080314.TAA19763@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: cqlung@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Q Subject: Re: loopers delight cd vol.2 / loopers festival? Resent-Message-ID: <"tI7Jy1.0.-v7.yUNbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 04:33 PM 1/7/99 +0200, you wrote: >>In a message dated 1/7/99 2:09:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, >>DKirkdorffer@exapps.com writes: >> >>> Frank G and I are in Boston. We could pull something together here, is my >>> guess. >>> >>sounds promising >>lets see if we can get some of the others interested (finger >>paint,dreamchild,ed chang etc.) >>brian > > >Well FingerPaint is always interested in a new city. It's a bit of a trek >from DC to Boston. Someone mentioned Pittsburgh the other day. Could Ed >Chang set up something in New York. We could definately set up a gig here >in DC, but with my best efforts, it's always hard to get an audience for >the more experimental type of music around here. > >Hell it does not even need to be far off the beaten muiscal grove and it's >still hard to draw a crowd. > >Perhpas we should take this discussion off the list though. > >Patrick > >Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT > >Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue > > www.fingerpaint.net > > >Boston eh? I'm new to this group but am a working bassist in Boston who's trying to dive into the whole looping world. You may have seen my requests in desparate search for a Jam Man. Are y'all in Boston proper? I'd really dig playing with some loopers with more experience than myself. Drop me an email or leave a message at www.jigglethehandle.com Thanks alot, and oh yeah, I'm still looking for that jam man....CQ > "Tie your own goddamned shoes, you one-armed son of a bitch." From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 7 22:26:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA01686; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:26:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:26:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d1b7db3.369578b1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:17:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: David Torn Interview(finally!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"pKNkE.0.B1.MYNbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/7/99 11:15:32 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, Trisstine@aol.com writes: << Although, I think that DT is right about looping not catching on yet. I almost have the feeling that people see it as a fad of sorts. >> well..... i find myself sitting here listening, so happily, i might add, to the LD C.D. 2.....i must honestly say, i can think of very very few people who could sit thru a long listen to this......i myself love it......there does not seem to be a middle ground to loop related music, you either love it or you are made uncomfortable by it.....play any cut on the c.d. for someone and 9 out of 10 times they look at you and go "aaahhh...that's aaaahh nice" or "could you turn that down a bit?" the one that stops me in my tracs is "when is something going to happen?".......what i am saying is ....this is why i seldom leave my room.......so a big thanks to all who put this most wonderfull c.d. together, i see many many relistens in the future.......bravo matt et al...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 05:16:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA19085; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:16:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:16:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3695586C.BB2232BF@home.com> References: <001CB5F4.1424@mail.bl.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:06:54 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: acid Cc: ngold@home.com Resent-Message-ID: <"D-cgw.0.XT4.dYTbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Anything on the Mac platform, currently or on the horizon, that will do what >Acid does? I havn't seen anything, I've been contemplating buying a PC/Win95 emulator for my Mac so I can run programs like Acid, and others that don't have a Mac version. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 09:27:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA14723; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:27:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:27:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901081416.GAA00750@crow.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: "This CD burner will self-destruct in 1000 copies...." Date: Fri, 8 Jan 99 08:19:24 +0100 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"8u7i4.0.D-2.LBXbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >'morning all, >It's also worth bearing in mind that some brands of PC CD burners have a >short run-life. HP burners, apparently, have a counter inside them which >registers how many CDs you have made, regardless of what they are. Once the >counter reaches 1000 the burner feels perfectly within its rights to start >irreparably malfunctioning. >Pete. Where'd you hear that provocative idea? Travis Hartnett From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 09:33:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA15749; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:33:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:33:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990108142235.11796.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 06:22:35 -0800 (PST) From: H IP Subject: Re: drum machine for D&B To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"lwJmu.0.tB3.4GXbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What about Ensonqi ASR-X or ASRX-PRO? It costs bit more but it sounds excellent. I know Veron Reid used it live with David Torn. It can be both a sampler and a synth. It has effect and all those real time tweaking knobs (not many, but fairly enough). I'm think to get it as a master MIDI clock to control my Echoplex and plays some D&B stuff on the background. You may check out how it sounds here: http://www.lanset.com/shansen/asrx.htm I've also tried Boss DR-202, I have to say that the preset (MIDI files) are all very good and to my taste. It covers hip-hop, trip-hop, funks, techno, ... every kind of trendy dance stuffs. However, it sounds bad (just the good midi preset files make you think it's good). Can't say much if you refer them as "lo-fi". Having said that, it's a fun toy with knobs and sounds bad. Agreed with the other gentlemen that it's just a toy but not a tool. I'm seriously thinking the ASR-X/PRO ... any other using it? HIp ---Crossedout@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/7/99 7:12:25 AM Central Standard Time, > billcumm@sprynet.com writes: > > << I've heard that the new Boss DR202 drum machine is geared to Drum and Bass, > and other electonic styles. >> > > This is true, but it's also difficult to manuever through without the manual, > doesn't sound really good (IMHO), and is built more like a toy than a tool. > True, the filters are fun to play with, but while I was test driving it, I > found myself more often than not crawling into a corner that couldn't be > backed out of, and having to turn the machine on and off. > > If you have nothing, it might be worthwhile, but I'd personally wait and see > if it sells at all, or if you can pick it up this fall for half the price when > Roland unveils it's "new(est) hot techno/d'n'b/electro-box"... like they seem > to be doing every three months now. > > And I will come clean, lest I offend any big fans of the 202 out there, _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 10:05:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21458; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:05:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:05:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:40:39 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Looping Catching on? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"uBlxm2.0.G74.mYXbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/8/99 1:15:32 AM, you wrote: <> The main problem, as I see it, is the perception that "Loopers" (and Looping) are viewed a lot of times as "effects" as opposed to "instruments". The viewing/listening audience sees a guitar so they expect "guitar" playing, a lot of guitar player/loopers set up collages of sound then just wank the same stuff over top of it that they would if they weren't "Looping" (before any body goes balistic, think about it, then fess up - we've all done it at some point in the growth cycle). When "Looping" devices and signal processors start getting played as instruments instead of something to tack on to an already established "technique" then "Looping" might "catch on". But then again why does "Looping" have to "catch on". The listener should ideally only be taken in by the resulting music and not how it was produced. The musician should be utilizing the instruments needed to realize his vision. Limiting titles such as Loopist, Guitarist, Stick Player etc., while fine for targeting an audience, can become constricting. For the listener they raise expectations which may not be realized, for the musician they can be real detriments to growth. I think that "Looping" (as it pertains to the use of electronic looping devices) is in its infancy and will only become a stand alone art form when the devices themselves are approached by those not hampered by previous "instrumental experience" (or as done by the present masters, such as DT, RF etc., of the art that can transcend the history of their own sound generating device so that the "Looper" becomes *the* instrument.) - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 10:08:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA21889; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:08:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:08:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <4225bc72.36961d63@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:59:47 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, DKirkdorffer@exapps.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: DL/AM-8000 vs Vortex? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"EjQDv.0.r-4.jqXbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/7/99 8:19:42 PM, DK wrote: <
> It's actually 5.2 secs in stereo...don't forget to add in the 400ms pre-delay. dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 10:25:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA24551; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:25:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:25:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:11:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081511.KAA17740@palmdale.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMUSIC Playlist Resent-Message-ID: <"DPKuJ2.0.cS5.k_Xbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #96 January 7, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this first show of the new year, I began a month-long focus on electronic music pioneer, Wendy Carlos. For background information, please point your web browser to the WDIY web site or visit the... Wendy Carlos web site: http://www.wendycarlos.com The feature CD at midnight was Wendy's latest effort, "Tales of Heaven and Hell" on the East Side Digital label. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Synergy (Larry Fast) OnPresumingToBeModern Cords (Third Eye) Steve Roach Flatlands Dreaming...Now,Then (CelestialHarmonies) David Torn TheEntireWishSpentTiming Tripping Over God (CMP) Lucia Hwong Celestial Beauty Goddess Vol. 1 (None) Lucia Hwong Angels Goddess Vol. 2 (None) Paul Nagle Chill Factor Lore (Synth Music Direct) VA [Svadhisthana] Cornerstone Winter Sampler 1999 (NAV) Victor Cerullo Zeitgeist Ludus (Groove) Victor Cerullo Liberation Ludus (Groove) Jeff Pearce Cloud Water Rising Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) 12:00 am Elaine Radigue Kyema * [I forgot the title] (XI) Wendy Carlos Transitional Tales of Heaven & Hell (ESD) Wendy Carlos Heaven Scent Tales of Heaven & Hell (ESD) Wendy Carlos Clockwork Black Tales of Heaven & Hell (ESD) Wendy Carlos City of Temptation Tales of Heaven & Hell (ESD) Wendy Carlos Afterlife Tales of Heaven & Hell (ESD) Wendy Carlos Seraphim Tales of Heaven & Hell (ESD) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) Events promoted on this show: ============================ In our own Lehigh Valley, Arttek and Anomalous will be performing electronic music at Second Avenue, 302 W. Broad St. in Bethlehem. Call 691-9919 for details. The show starts at 9:45 pm on Thurdsay, January 14, 1999. On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on electronic music pioneer, Wendy Carlos. The feature CD at midnight will be "Digital Moonscapes" on CBS Masterworks. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 17:06:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA30361; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:06:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36967F78.45F8@execpc.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:58:16 -0600 From: Chris Baime Reply-To: allied@execpc.com Organization: Allied Utility Equipment, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #10 References: <199901080807.DAA08491@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WUx6d3.0.h47.7-dbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com For drums and bass I have been using the roland mbd-1 a bass and drums sound module rack mount piece. It sounds pretty good in my opinion, I was comparing it with the alesis dm5 and the sounds were comparable plus the mbd-1 has really good sounding bass. this unit sold for around $350 new, list was like $500 and i saw recently Musicians Friend close it out at $149!! the price is good and if u have a computer u can get a shareware ver. of the Drums Pro which makes it very easy to create patterns to trigger the unit. check it out. lemme know what anyone thinks of this unit and the setup. -- Chris Baime Allied Utility Equipment, Inc. http://www.execpc.com/~allied From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 18:33:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA17555; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:33:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:33:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901082325.IAA17695@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 08:25:15 +0900 To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, the_wire@ukonline.co.uk, |||| Philip Pilgrim |||| , arcsound@ix.netcom.com (Archive Sound), Rob , Tom Carpenter , "P. M. Herman" , Wolfram Franke , tim gerwing , "Collins" , Syntecno , "Joseph Buck" , jeffrey@i-2000.com, Yasuo Matsunaka , Guy-Marc Hinant , fred walheer , "Hugo Haesaert" , "EMIS" , info@czukay.de, tenebre@pronet.it, vinylhead@theglobe.com, artzero@hol.fr, masset.fcom@wanadoo.fr, mieko@wolfen.netkonect.co.uk, morand.fcom@wanadoo.fr, robinr@easynet.co.uk, prikos@worldnet.fr, Luca de Marinis , hiroshi-yamazaki@kingrecords.co.jp, interval@netcom.com, Fred Becker , John Greczula , Wine Cntry , R-MODE@webtv.net (Rod Julian Modell), shimoda@xebec.co.jp, the_wire@ukonline.co.uk, enkel@tripnet.se, umu@cerbernet.co.uk, Update2@emf.org, drumfm@hotmail.com, Rapida Bim Padmasankha , eloubet@gol.com (eLoubet), "Paul D'Amato" , "Matt and Kristy McCabe" , "Laz Harris" , "Kenny Bergle" , asciiman@inetnow.net, jp.com@okay.net, Polyfusion@aol.com, "micke walter" From: Sunao Inami Subject: MOOG ENDLESS Resent-Message-ID: <"4xnfR.0.Bw3.qEfbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, IGeneva streaming Moog System55 performance by Real Video from Kobe. Please connect to: pnm://realserver.kobedenshi.ac.jp/moog This streaming is "Genevareal playing"Geneva by internal analog sequencer for 24hours. GenevaYou need a Real Player 5.0 or G2 for enjoy this Real Video. This streaming is just temporary,I will make the URL for MOOG ENDLESS. Regards Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 18:48:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20265; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:48:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:48:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Waldorf 4-pole Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Xsbxf.0.Ki4.EWfbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm looking for a US dealer for this. It seems that no stores in the Seattle area carry it. I'd like to try it before buying it, of course. I know that it's been discussed on the list, does anyone know where there are reviews of it? My web searches have been fruitless. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 19:16:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA25538; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:16:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:16:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990108191512.0079c770@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:15:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sKT352.0.lx5.hwfbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello fellow loopers, I agree completely with what Paul has written, but at the same time am also in complete agreement with a comment someone (Kim Flint, I think, but I don't remember) made a couple of days ago concerning the need to raise looping's recognition level as far as equipment manufacturers are concerned. It's all well and good to be idealistic about artistic integrity (and I'm not being sarcastic; I do mean that) but we can't ignore the market factor's influence on the continued existance of the toys we tweak. If looping "catches on" to a larger number of people, you can bet that newer and cooler tools will soon appear as the gear makers recognise an increased opportunity to prosper and stay in business. Owners of live venues would be more receptive to booking us purveyors of that "weird music" if they were to recognise the possibility of getting a good crowd of paying customers. We'd be more likely to see each others' work in the bins at the CD stores, and less dependent on special orders placed by an "enlightened few". It's a win-win, really. What do all you loopers think? What's the best way to be true to the music and to let looping continue to evolve into an instrument in its own right, while at the same time to remain aware of the economic realities involved with presenting looping to the larger general-business, AOR top-forty-weaned listening public? How do we make this "fad" which is already legit to us appeal to John and Jane Doe without pandering to commerciality? Any thoughts on this? Tim Nelson (P.S. to Paul: I don't mean to imply that you're unaware of this; remember, I said I agree with you completely!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 8 20:57:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA06703; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:57:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:57:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990108205623.007c62e0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:56:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990108191512.0079c770@pop.ici.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"znHc5.0.aT1.6Qhbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What do all you loopers think? What's the best way to be true to the music >and to let looping continue to evolve into an instrument in its own right, >while at the same time to remain aware of the economic realities involved >with presenting looping to the larger general-business, AOR >top-forty-weaned listening public? How do we make this "fad" which is >already legit to us appeal to John and Jane Doe without pandering to >commerciality? Any thoughts on this? I think ACID will help, especially if it is marketed as a musical game (fun for the whole family) accessible to people you believe that music is best left to PROfeshunals (thank you very much). If hoi poloi can be enticed to make their own loops that sound good (and have a grand time), their ears will open to loops as legitimate music (mostly because familiarity will accommodate this). Other interactive music tools like KOAN could also help the general malaise that music (art, science) is exclusive provence of professionals. All IMHO, natch. Hasta -> Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 00:27:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03219; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:27:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:27:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:21:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3b8f$f693dc40$51f0ffd0@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990108191512.0079c770@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"FXPAF3.0.Nc.4Tkbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting subject! There are a few things one can do: have a non looping instrument play with y'all, like a flute, violin, saxophone, whatever: something people can relate to. If it is a violin or flute, they think its classical music, if its a sax, then its jazz. Don't worry about what they call it, just do your thing. Another option is being proficient on your instrument, for you instrument players out there. If you are a badass on that Warr or Stick or Tele or French Horn, your loops may not be noticed as much, but John and Jane will have something that they can appreciate: they may not know a so-so trumpet player, but they know what a bad one and a really good one sounds like. Finally, you can always have a cute girl who sings and plays an instument, like flute. Everyone can identify with that, especially if shes really good. :) Mazing how many bookings you can get, and they don't care what the other people in the band do! Oh, on another note, a Florida Music Mag reviewed my 'one of a kind' looping tapes...heres the online review: http://www.eatmag.com/reviews/locrev1162.html Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > What do all you loopers think? What's the best way to be true to the music > and to let looping continue to evolve into an instrument in its own right, > while at the same time to remain aware of the economic realities involved > with presenting looping to the larger general-business, AOR > top-forty-weaned listening public? How do we make this "fad" which is > already legit to us appeal to John and Jane Doe without pandering to > commerciality? Any thoughts on this? > > Tim Nelson From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 07:58:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA17366; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 07:58:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 07:58:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901091300.IAA15571@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 07:49:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #11 From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7823K3.0.684.v5rbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I'm seriously thinking the ASR-X/PRO ... any other using it? > I love Ensoniq gear but steer clear of the original version. I had an ASRx awhile back & it was buggy - the Pro version seems to have solved a lot of the timing problems that the original had. Basically the machine wasn't originally designed to do everything that it CAN do, so tweeking a knob while the sequencer was playing could produce timing problems ( which is why I sold mine.) Some have said that the new OS solves the problems in the older machine but I'd be wary. The archtecture of the ASRx Pro is excellent, as are the FX (which can be used to process external signals) . It has very good midi implementation. SCSI was very slow on the original ASRx (15 minutes to load a 32 Mb file!), maybe that's been solved in the Pro too. I would definitely spend a few hours checking the unit out & putting it through a torture test at a local store before buying. jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 09:07:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA21700; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 09:07:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901091354.WAA19922@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp> X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Pro Version 3.1.1-Jr2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:54:26 +0900 To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, the_wire@ukonline.co.uk, |||| Philip Pilgrim |||| , arcsound@ix.netcom.com (Archive Sound), Rob , Tom Carpenter , "P. M. Herman" , Wolfram Franke , tim gerwing , "Collins" , Syntecno , "Joseph Buck" , jeffrey@i-2000.com, Yasuo Matsunaka , Guy-Marc Hinant , fred walheer , "Hugo Haesaert" , "EMIS" , info@czukay.de, tenebre@pronet.it, vinylhead@theglobe.com, artzero@hol.fr, masset.fcom@wanadoo.fr, mieko@wolfen.netkonect.co.uk, morand.fcom@wanadoo.fr, robinr@easynet.co.uk, prikos@worldnet.fr, Luca de Marinis , hiroshi-yamazaki@kingrecords.co.jp, interval@netcom.com, Fred Becker , John Greczula , Wine Cntry , R-MODE@webtv.net (Rod Julian Modell), shimoda@xebec.co.jp, the_wire@ukonline.co.uk, enkel@tripnet.se, umu@cerbernet.co.uk, Update2@emf.org, drumfm@hotmail.com, Rapida Bim Padmasankha , eloubet@gol.com (eLoubet), "Paul D'Amato" , "Matt and Kristy McCabe" , "Laz Harris" , "Kenny Bergle" , asciiman@inetnow.net, jp.com@okay.net, Polyfusion@aol.com, "micke walter" From: Sunao Inami Subject: MOOG ENDLESS URL has fixed Resent-Message-ID: <"On_Wx3.0.L35.X-rbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi again, MOOG ENDLESS URL has fixed. http://www.cavestudio.com/S+V/moog_endless.html and if you want to direct connect MOOG ENDLESS by Realplayer, please open this location. pnm://realserver.kobedenshi.ac.jp/moog This site is link free,but please let me know whare you link up. Keep in touch Sunao Inami Work E-mail webmaster@cavestudio.com URL"CAVE Studio" http://www.cavestudio.com tel&fax +81 794 89 5025 Hyogo,Japan Home E-mail cave@osk.3web.ne.jp tel&fax +81 794 89 5015 Hyogo,Japan snail mail address 316 Ohshima Kuchiyokawa Miki City Hyogo Japan 6730755 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 11:39:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA02661; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:39:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:39:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990109162638.22410.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [209.64.195.189] From: "ur eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sad but true Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 08:26:38 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"rgbvp3.0.EF.6Cubs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What do all you loopers think? What's the best way to be true to the music >and to let looping continue to evolve into an instrument in its own right, >while at the same time to remain aware of the economic realities involved >with presenting looping to the larger general-business, AOR >top-forty-weaned listening public? How do we make this "fad" which is >already legit to us appeal to John and Jane Doe without pandering to >commerciality? Any thoughts on this? > >Tim Nelson > Recently, I have been convinced of a harsh reality of life. I had always suspected that people in general don't like to think. After 3 years in the Video rental business, I am absolutely convinced of it! Everyday I see what the "averages" are choosing for entertainment and it is not pretty folks. It would seem that education and entertainment cannot occupy the same space. As soon as these folks think they are being educated, it's all over. Maybe it is a consequence of public schooling I don't know, but to tie this to looping, a new experience is almost always a learning one and in addition I tend to see loops as a thought, even ones that seem spontaneous at the time frequently tie into a idea lingering in the head. Looping, for most people, is a new experience. Which, at least for awhile yet, seals its fate. Besides, I have grown to be suspicous of anything that attains Godlike status in the popular culture. I find that most of these things seem to be about selling you something anyway. I could go on but I will spare you all my neurosis. Just an opinion....... -Dennis "Suicide is a very dangerous thing" -Pat Robertson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 13:25:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14338; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:25:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990109132215.0079f250@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:22:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? In-Reply-To: <000401be3b8f$f693dc40$51f0ffd0@futurepe> References: <3.0.5.32.19990108191512.0079c770@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"DjHom1.0.OI3.prvbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Another option is being proficient on your instrument, for you instrument >players out there. If you are a badass on that Warr or Stick or Tele or >French Horn, your loops may not be noticed as much, but John and Jane will >have something that they can appreciate I don't want to put words in someone's mouth, but I think this is antithetical to the point Paul made re DT's view of looping being perceived as a fad rather than an autonomous field of discipline... I don't think any of us are (at least intentionally) advocating the use of looping as a substitute for instrumental competency. Paul's point, to which I added my comment, dealt more with folks seeing looping as an "effect", as something added on top of an existing methodology. People see a guitar and half expect to hear BB King licks. Looping is still unfamiliar to the general public, so most people can't be expected to distinguish between "input device as part of a total system" and "instrument as the whole deal." Hoping that our "loops may not be noticed as much" goes against the grain of even doing loops in the first place. It's like when the first guitar synths came out and the sounds of other, existing instruments became available to the guitarist. A lot of lousy sounding stuff was flying around, because people were trying to use preexisting codified GUITAR techniques to sound like trumpets, flutes or what-have-you... It wasn't until people (Fripp comes to mind as a good example) began to approach the guitar synth as a NEW instrument distinct from the guitar that we began hearing truly musical results. There's certainly nothing wrong with being a "badass" on an existing instrument, but what I had in mind, and I think what Paul was saying as well, is that to be a "badass" looper might require a shift in mindset, an application of effort and discipline no less intense than that required for existing instruments, just DIFFERENT as the specific needs of the particular situation might warrant. What'chall think? Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 15:28:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA01981; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:28:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:28:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MrBERWELL@aol.com Message-ID: <150b9f28.3697b8b5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:14:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: looping device for vocals? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"U0To12.0.4x7.fXxbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A friend of mine has been asking for recommendations on a device for creating vocal loops. I've been eyeing the Boomerang, but wonder how it actually sounds with a vocal going through it. I think this one does have a mic preamp on it though. If anyone has any suggestions on any device, please let me know. This would be primarily used in live settings, and it would need to be foot controllable. The delay time doesnt have to be extremely long either, just enough to get some short ideas going. -Jody mrberwell@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 16:30:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09734; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:30:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:30:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990109160936.00867100@tctc.com> X-Sender: pearce@tctc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:09:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pearce Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990108191512.0079c770@pop.ici.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"urYiI2.0.Yf1.eCybs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >What do all you loopers think? What's the best way to be true to the music >and to let looping continue to evolve into an instrument in its own right, >while at the same time to remain aware of the economic realities involved >with presenting looping to the larger general-business, AOR >top-forty-weaned listening public? I generally stay in lurk mode on this list, mostly because those who post have much better insights on the whole "looping world" than I do! And I've asked myself these very same questions that Tim asks- how do we continue to move this looping adventure forward? It's been a great past week for me- my most recent cd was just reviewed in Billboard (http://www.billboard.com/reviews/reviewdisplay.asp?ID=48969) (if you want to see the whole thing...) and it was a comment in that review that sent my mind onto Tim's question. The reviewer pointed out that I used loops, delays are reverb to create my sounds. True, however, I personally have a hard time viewing "looping" as just another effect, and it sruck me that he was viewing looping as just that- another effect. But, at this point in time, that's what a good portion of the "listening audience (whomever they may be) thinks about looping- "just another effect". IMHO, the answers to Tim's questions are found in Tim's initial question- and that is to stay true to the music. Although there is part of me that would REALLY like to see looping viewed as something that is a unique "instrument", there is another part of me that is thrilled when looping is seamlessly integrated into music, becoming yet another element in it. Personally, I think it would be great to have country loopers, heavy metal loopers, classical loopers, etc.....all styles utilizing this instrument called looping. And I know that there are many loopers of many different styles out there- a lot of you have blown my mind, which probably accounts for why I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words! On a completely different note (but still in the mind blowing catagory!), I have had so much fun playing the past few weeks with my Sustainiac model B!! I hook that thing up to my guitar, and I am constantly amazed at the wonderfully wide range of sounds that come out of it! Being able to switch harmonics with the tap of a foot is unreal, and the unit itself is SO quiet, and that's something that I'm really picky about. Have any of you loopers played around with this thing? I have played a guitar with a built in sustainer, and I didn't really care for it, although others have played that same guitar and have achieved remarkable results. Jeff Pearce From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 16:33:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA10174; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:33:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:33:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:08:42 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be3c14$3c7d2700$51f0ffd0@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990109132215.0079f250@pop.ici.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"tZWWx3.0.lq1.wKybs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Exactly!! I'm sorry, if I wasn't clear with what I meant...the idea of bringing looping to 'John and Jane' is easiest through something that they can identify with. The original post deals with bringing looping to the 'mainstream' in some sort of commercial acceptance. I feel this can't be done by the 'looping' part alone right away , no matter how good you are with it- the public needs to be interested in things in the music they understand, which sadly, as someone else pointed out, is VERY basic. How about this: if there is a solo washboard player/singer in the street during a festival and a block down the road, a solo looper with guitar, guess who will have the crowd. Why? I have no idea, although it must have something to do with the fact that people don't understand that 'playing' a box with flashing lights actually takes quite a bit of hard work. Maybe it looks like our solo looper really isn't doing much playing at all, and letting the box 'do the work'- however the public rationalizes this,in the end result is the same, a bigger crowd in front of the washboard player. Hell, guitar players at G3 were booing Fripp for 'not playing' when I was there. Now, stick a heavy bass drum, a I-IV-V, and a Jim Morrison wannabe on the stage with him, and people would love it (at least at the show I saw). This doesn't mean that I have to give up my dream of playing to 20,000 who cheer when I am the only one onstage, making beeps and scraping sounds. But for now, I know that kind of playing is inaccessible to the mainstream (I don't know how Fripp put up with the screams of 'you suck' at G3)...and avant-garde playing will never make it to the mainstream (then it wouldn't be avant-garde, and live playing for that kind of music is limited to 'electronic music shows' in a warehouse on the bad part of town, with only the other bands in the audience. I am lucky enough to be booked fairly frequently, but that is mostly because there is a girl in my band who sings and plays flute. If it was a guy who did the same thing, and we played the same kinda music, I don't think we'd be playing as much. Go figure. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > >Another option is being proficient on your instrument, for you instrument > >players out there. If you are a badass on that Warr or Stick or Tele or > >French Horn, your loops may not be noticed as much, but John and > Jane will > >have something that they can appreciate > > I don't want to put words in someone's mouth, but I think this is > antithetical to the point Paul made re DT's view of looping being > perceived > as a fad rather than an autonomous field of discipline... I don't > think any > of us are (at least intentionally) advocating the use of looping as a > substitute for instrumental competency. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 17:16:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA15452; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:16:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:16:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:08:51 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"hvaVf3.0.pV3.gDzbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff wrote: "I have had so much fun playing the past few weeks with my Sustainiac model B!! " What is a SUSTAINIAC Model B? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 17:39:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18787; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:39:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:39:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990109174306.0086dc70@tctc.com> X-Sender: pearce@tctc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 17:43:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pearce Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"z0qyl3.0.lM4.ZZzbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >"I have had so much fun playing the past few weeks with my Sustainiac model >B!! " > > >What is a SUSTAINIAC Model B? It's the "original", from how I understand it- and Alan Hoover might be able to explain it better than I do! It has a transducer that you put on the back of the headstock, which means that those with a Klein or Steinberger might not get a lot of use out of it. The output from your guitar plugs into the floor unit, which has knobs for the transducer power level, harmonic enhance, and auto-sense, which adjusts the time before the note starts feeding back. I've heard some folks talk down the Sustainiac because it has the transducer and a cable on your headstock, and that makes things a little awkward while playing live. However, it's been quite a while since I've leapt and slid around on stage, so it works fine for me! The plus side to this unit is that, from a looping standpoint, you can really add an element of "controlled randomness" (how's THAT for an oxymoron?!?) to your loops- a note feeds back, and then slowly shifts up a third, or an octave. And the sounds can be QUITE different from a standard e-bow. Not to mention that you can use any of your guitar's pick-ups and still get sustain/feedback- from my experience, having an on-board sustainer eliminates a pick-up choice while using the sustaining effect. Back to the Indiana snow......ughh.... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 17:39:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA18796; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:39:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:39:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:33:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01be3c20$1ad158e0$2323dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"xvR_N1.0.RN4.jZzbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fmplautus@aol.com asked: > What is a SUSTAINIAC Model B? I think Steven Spielberg paid a committee to come up with the idea after seeing "Spinal Tap." :) Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week (Iron Eyes Cody)! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 17:45:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20018; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:45:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:45:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004701be3c1f$ada24c20$45d5cac8@andrea> Reply-To: "Antonio Paulo Ferreira Junior" From: "Antonio Paulo Ferreira Junior" To: Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:26:35 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ros6i3.0.kW4.zezbs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I creat some loops with ACID and the sounds seems very good! -----Mensagem original----- De: Rik Myers Para: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Data: Sexta-feira, 8 de Janeiro de 1999 21:01 Assunto: Re: Looping Catching on? >>What do all you loopers think? What's the best way to be true to the music >>and to let looping continue to evolve into an instrument in its own right, >>while at the same time to remain aware of the economic realities involved >>with presenting looping to the larger general-business, AOR >>top-forty-weaned listening public? How do we make this "fad" which is >>already legit to us appeal to John and Jane Doe without pandering to >>commerciality? Any thoughts on this? > >I think ACID will help, especially if it is marketed as a musical game (fun >for the whole family) accessible to people you believe that music is best >left to PROfeshunals (thank you very much). If hoi poloi can be enticed to >make their own loops that sound good (and have a grand time), their ears >will open to loops as legitimate music (mostly because familiarity will >accommodate this). Other interactive music tools like KOAN could also help >the general malaise that music (art, science) is exclusive provence of >professionals. > >All IMHO, natch. Hasta -> Rico > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 18:20:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24905; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:20:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:20:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE3C2E.42918DB0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: Looping Catching on? Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:06:29 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ebwOl1.0.Yp5.7B-bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff Pearce wrote, > I have had so much fun playing the past few weeks with my Sustainiac > model B!! Have any of you loopers played around with this thing? I have a Fernandez with the old sustainer, and love it ... your post sounds like the guitar you played now was much better than sustainer guitars used to - was it? * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 18:25:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25622; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:25:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:25:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:48:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: looping device for vocals? Resent-Message-ID: <"3cf9O.0.b-5.SF-bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 1/9/99 mrbrewell said: >A friend of mine has been asking for recommendations on a device for creating >vocal loops. During the DC Loop Show this past spring Siobhan Canty who used to be on this list did some beautiful vaocl work using the jam man. I've also done some droney vocal loops with a throat singer a few years back using my jamster and she worked just fine. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 18:41:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28107; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:41:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:41:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990109183859.007a0840@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:38:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? In-Reply-To: <001401be3c14$3c7d2700$51f0ffd0@futurepe> References: <3.0.5.32.19990109132215.0079f250@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZZa5V3.0.wb6.iU-bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I agree, and you really can't blame "John and Jane" for feeling more comfortable with something they're already familiar with. Case in point: Jimi Hendrix was a consumate showman, but that's not ALL he could do.Roger Mayer (effects maker extraordinaire) once commented to the effect that he had never seen anyone assimilate technology faster than Hendrix. Mayer would hand Jimi a new gadget and within minutes Hendrix would be using it in a very musical fashion; Mayer was astounded at the slope of the Hendrix learning curve, and one can only imagine what he'd do with an Echoplex (the new kind...) and ACID (also the new kind...). Jimi's playing technique was a lot more subtle than many remember; think of "Little Wing" rather than "Star Spangled Banner", finesse as opposed to bombast. The thing is, he did BOTH well, yet what is he remembered for? The flashy, superficial stuff; clothing styles and whammy dives. One would find it hard to imagine him playing a little flashing box behind his head or with his teeth, or kneeling before a flaming Boomerang with that can of Ronson, none of which has much to do with the player's skill at actually USING the equipment, but sure does make for good entertainment. So it's easy to see why that solo washboard player would draw the crowd! As far as illustrating my other point about developing technique SPECIFIC TO LOOPING, I'm sure most of us have known at least one quite decent guitarist who was a crappy bass player. The instruments are similar; strings, frets, EADG, etc., but require a very different playing philosophy. Guitar licks do not translate well to bass. (I don't mean to pick on the guitar, but it's such a versatile and ubiquitous instrument that it's an easy target!) Similarly, a Steinway, a B3, an SH-101, a Mellotron, and a modular Moog share at least one obvious feature; those black and white things you press with your fingers. Yet how different they are in terms of technique, and how easy it is for this to be lost on the non-musician. How often have we heard ANY keyboard referred to as a "piano"? So it is little wonder that John and Jane find it hard to appreciate something as alien (at least to them) as looping. But is IS important that looping "catch on", and it IS unfortunate that most of the factors influencing popular acceptance of looping have more to do with economics and demographics than with music... Tim P.S. to Dave Eichenberger: Great Website! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 18:53:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA30621; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:53:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:53:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990109185532.0086dbf0@tctc.com> X-Sender: pearce@tctc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:55:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pearce Subject: Re: AW: Looping Catching on? In-Reply-To: <01BE3C2E.42918DB0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WPjcH.0.G07.Wd-bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael Peters wrote: >I have a Fernandez with the old sustainer, and love it ... your post sounds >like the guitar you played now was much better than sustainer guitars used >to - was it? Well, the Sustainiac system works on any guitar- it's not something that comes built "into" the guitar. I use my trusty Fender strat, but you can install the model B VERY easily on just about any guitar- there's nothing that messes with the electronics in the guitar. Everything about the model B is external. >From what I've heard on your cd (which is quite cool, BTW!) you get really nice results with your Fernandes Sustainer- you'd probably get some cool results with a Sustainiac. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 18:53:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA30500; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:53:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:53:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3697EB99.CDB254C@boulder.quik.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 16:51:56 -0700 From: squirmy Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com Organization: worms-r-me X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jamman stero-ness ?'s References: <01BE3C2E.42918DB0.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7ZKOk.0.c27.he-bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I must be missing something with my Jamman... Take a stereo sound (Korg sound module with sound that pans or pingpongs side to side for instance) It flattens out in the Jamman in the punch in mode. In the echo, it pans to one side once, then is centered. I swear in echo mode, one live recording I had a sample from a movie that kept bouncing from side to side in the echo mode. Should it retain any panning sounds that are put into either mode as long as it is stereo in during the record? J- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 20:11:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA10258; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:11:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:11:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:04:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"AdB0p1.0.JE2.yn_bs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/9/99 7:32:17 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, pearce@tctc.com writes: << Sustainiac model B!! >> jeff......what is this?.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 20:35:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13892; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:35:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <150c03c7.369801e9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:27:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AW: Looping Catching on? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"d6L511.0.143.l70cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So Jeff...now that you've explained what a Sustaniac model b is... WHERE ARE THEY AND HOW MUCH DOES IT COST!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 20:48:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA15957; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:48:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 20:48:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990110014518.19230.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 17:45:18 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"uuZjj1.0.tg3.pL0cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fellow Musicians, I feel that this is a good point to throw in my 2cents worth. Do you really think it necessary that looping catch on with the listener? To me, that seems as ridiculous as a particular surgical instrument catching on with the patients. We're musicians and we should be asking our gracious listeners to accept our music, not our technique. Dan Sumner ---Tim Nelson wrote: > > I agree, and you really can't blame "John and Jane" for feeling more > comfortable with something they're already familiar with. > Case in point: Jimi Hendrix was a consumate showman, but that's not ALL he > could do.Roger Mayer (effects maker extraordinaire) once commented to the > effect that he had never seen anyone assimilate technology faster than > Hendrix. Mayer would hand Jimi a new gadget and within minutes Hendrix > would be using it in a very musical fashion; Mayer was astounded at the > slope of the Hendrix learning curve, and one can only imagine what he'd do > with an Echoplex (the new kind...) and ACID (also the new kind...). Jimi's > playing technique was a lot more subtle than many remember; think of > "Little Wing" rather than "Star Spangled Banner", finesse as opposed to > bombast. The thing is, he did BOTH well, yet what is he remembered for? The > flashy, superficial stuff; clothing styles and whammy dives. One would find > it hard to imagine him playing a little flashing box behind his head or > with his teeth, or kneeling before a flaming Boomerang with that can of > Ronson, none of which has much to do with the player's skill at actually > USING the equipment, but sure does make for good entertainment. So it's > easy to see why that solo washboard player would draw the crowd! > As far as illustrating my other point about developing technique SPECIFIC > TO LOOPING, I'm sure most of us have known at least one quite decent > guitarist who was a crappy bass player. The instruments are similar; > strings, frets, EADG, etc., but require a very different playing > philosophy. Guitar licks do not translate well to bass. > (I don't mean to pick on the guitar, but it's such a versatile and > ubiquitous instrument that it's an easy target!) Similarly, a Steinway, a > B3, an SH-101, a Mellotron, and a modular Moog share at least one obvious > feature; those black and white things you press with your fingers. Yet how > different they are in terms of technique, and how easy it is for this to be > lost on the non-musician. How often have we heard ANY keyboard referred to > as a "piano"? So it is little wonder that John and Jane find it hard to > appreciate something as alien (at least to them) as looping. > > But is IS important that looping "catch on", and it IS unfortunate that > most of the factors influencing popular acceptance of looping have more to > do with economics and demographics than with music... > > Tim > > P.S. to Dave Eichenberger: Great Website! > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 21:28:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA21813; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:28:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:28:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990109132215.0079f250@pop.ici.net> References: <000401be3b8f$f693dc40$51f0ffd0@futurepe> <3.0.5.32.19990108191512.0079c770@pop.ici.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:22:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? Resent-Message-ID: <"EJvuN2.0.G25.Cw0cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Happy to see this thread come up again....especially since the endless gear babbling had gotten way out of hand, as it tends to..... It's good to reflect on what in the hell we are actually doing with the stuff, right? Anyway, I think it is often curious the way this topic progresses. Since I know some of you, I think it has to do with your particular backgrounds and where you come from musically. On one hand, the perception of Loopers and Loop creation/manipulation as a sort of musical instrument I think is dead on. It's not a passive thing that just sits there doing it's job, it requires active, musical involvement and different musicians are going to come up with completely different results based on their musical vision and relative skill with this instrument. On the other hand, this perception of "Loop Music" being "weird", or new, or out of the mainstream, or difficult to find audience for, etc, I think is really odd. Are you guys living on the same planet as I'm on? Anyway, more on that below. At 1:22 PM -0800 1/9/99, Tim Nelson wrote: >>Another option is being proficient on your instrument, for you instrument >>players out there. If you are a badass on that Warr or Stick or Tele or >>French Horn, your loops may not be noticed as much, but John and Jane will >>have something that they can appreciate > >I don't want to put words in someone's mouth, but I think this is >antithetical to the point Paul made re DT's view of looping being perceived >as a fad rather than an autonomous field of discipline... I don't think any >of us are (at least intentionally) advocating the use of looping as a >substitute for instrumental competency. Paul's point, to which I added my >comment, dealt more with folks seeing looping as an "effect", as something >added on top of an existing methodology. I think this is an important point. Creating and manipulating loops is a musical activity. It's something you are actively involved in, using your tools as an instrument. You play it, much as you play a piano or synthesizer or drum set. And this is an instrument that is still quite young. There is a lot yet to be explored and developed here. This is right at the heart of Matthias' and Eric's and my approach to developing Loop, AKA the oberheim echoplex. We designed this to be an instrument, not an effect. It's meant to have musicians interract with it, explore it, learn it, develop their own techniques with it....play it. Mostly Matthias' genius, really. But every step of the way, we try to think of it that way - what will somebody performing with this want it to do? How should each function react, how should it respond to the musician's actions? How does it fit in a real musical context. Everything gets put to that test. >People see a guitar and half >expect to hear BB King licks. Looping is still unfamiliar to the general >public, etc, there were many comments like this. I get the feeling you guys are holding a very narrow concept of what "Loop Music" is. Maybe a little too focused on that textural guitar thing? Here on the earth where I live, Loop based music is everywhere. It's hip-hop, trip-hop, techno, illbient, house, drum and bass, world beat techno, industrial metal, acid jazz, new wave, ambient, dub, newage, etc., etc., etc. It's on tv commercials and movie soundtracks. It's on MTV. It's modern and it's old skool. It's on the boring AOR/pop station I wake up to in the morning, in the guise of ordinary pop music like sneakerpimps, garbage, bjork, massive attack, etc., all full of looping grooves and rhythms. KMFDM and ministry turned metal on its head 10-15 years ago by using heavy guitar loops to create the brutal precision of their now cliched industrial metal sound, changing that genre forever. The venerable Chet Atkins explored it with his audience of blue grass fans. Hip hop is everything from the ever palatable Will Smith helping us git jiggy wit it to DJ Qbert reinventing the boundaries of the genre and what we think of as instruments like some modern day Charlie Parker, and it's all got loops at the core. Now I know what you're gonna say. That's different, that's not what my music is about, that's not what I mean by Loop Music, blah blah blah, and I say that's not quite correct. We're talking about a general idea of using electronic means to regularly repeat a sound as a musical performance or compositional device. That has a huge range of possibilities. The "means" can just as easily be an echoplex or boomerang or jamman for real-time improvisational loop excursions as it can be a meticulous world beat percussion loop sequenced in Cubase VST and triggered on a sampler. The sounds can just as easily be your spacey ebowed and vortexed guitar as it can be the Amen break in a D&B track. The general principle does include your music right along with Master P's cadre of one hit wonders and all that electronic dance stuff that may or may not be the next or last big thing. It *is* all related. What we frequently deal with on this list is innovations in how to approach this loop idea. For instance, real-time techniques using something like the echoplex give a powerful new approach to the musical use of loops. But that's an evolution of technique, perhaps a powerful one, enabling some new possibilities not there before, but still just a new tool for approaching the older idea of loops in music. How different musicians integrate that tool into their music will vary a lot, and it's really an exciting time of innovation on the looping concept. And with the innovation of real-time loop tools, other musicians join the looping ranks, since these tools allow more traditional instrumentalists to explore ideas previously worked by synth and computer based musicians. And that's great, a healthy infusion of new perspective and ideas to push the concept. The old guys can learn a few new tricks here, I think. By the same token, some of the new folks coming in with wide eyes, flushed cheeks, and guitars still strapped on could do well to keep the blinders off a bit and learn from the looping going on all around in a wide range of modern music. Listen, learn, there's a lot there to educate yourself on. Is it popular? Well, people pushing the boundaries are never popular, so that doesn't really change. But consider your audience, or who you think is your audience. A crowd of balding baby-boomer rock fans is not going to readily get looping. They want to see a finger move for every sound, and the guitar player should look like he's suffering from constipation when he bends a note. Fine, they're happy, they ain't changing. And neither is a conservative symphony audience that doesn't like anything composed after 1900, or a crowd of traditional blues fans, etc. But the Beastie Boys pack arenas full of 20 somethings who don't seem to have a problem that there is no "band" on the stage. Maybe you won't quite fit with the B-boyz, but the point is, there are a lot of people around who long ago accepted this loop concept as normal and mainstream. Indeed, many under the age of 20 have probably known little else. So maybe, if the audience isn't getting you, it's not the music but the wrong audience? Maybe you need to reconsider the context where you fit, and need to explore some new territory. Maybe the old cats at the jazz dive where you regularly play bass won't relate to your jamman and bass solo experiment. So why not try hooking up with a progressive trip-hop dj and let him mix your live acoustic bass loops into the tracks he spins in the chill rooms of the local dance clubs. I bet you'll get a very different reaction. Bail on the rock band and add live funky guitar loops to your local hip-hop crew. The Hank Williams fans at your local bar throw bottles at your atmospheric effected telecaster loops? Maybe you would do better in a downtown cafe or an office atrium in the financial district? Anyway, chew that... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 21:38:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23189; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:38:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:38:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3697EB99.CDB254C@boulder.quik.com> References: <01BE3C2E.42918DB0.mpeters@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 18:32:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: jamman stero-ness ?'s Resent-Message-ID: <"SK3b_3.0.DS5.y31cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I must be missing something with my Jamman... Take a stereo sound (Korg sound >module with sound that pans or pingpongs side to side for instance) It >flattens out in the Jamman in the punch in mode. In the echo, it pans to one >side once, then is centered. I swear in echo mode, one live recording I had a >sample from a movie that kept bouncing from side to side in the echo mode. >Should it retain any panning sounds that are put into either mode as long as >it is stereo in during the record? jamman is only stereo for the audio passing through. The loop is mono. The stereo inputs are summed to mono for the loop, and the loop output is fed equally to both stereo channels. If you had it bouncing from side to side, that would be some other problem, either with phase or some intermittant audio path. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 21:45:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA24483; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:45:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 21:45:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369816F9.1BB7@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 18:56:58 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? References: <3.0.5.32.19990109160936.00867100@tctc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1JJo9.0.9i5.7B1cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Some thoughts on this thread... First of all, as tends to be mentioned from time to time, it's a dubious proposition to refer to looping as a specific genre of music. Electronically looping samples is so prevalent in popular music that it's impossible to escape -- the most mainstream, middle of the road singers today are using breakbeats in their arrangements. I'm asssuming that when people refer to "looping" as in the context of this thread, they're referring more specifically to real-time looping, and even more specifically to real-time looping using a tape loop-descended approach as typified by the EDP/JamMan/Boomerang etc. (I know some people have and continue to argue with me on this point of lineage, but I maintain that if the dual Revox experiments of the '60s and '70s had not happened, units like the three mentioned above would likely not exist in their present form, and certainly wouldn't be used in the way that they are). I can't help but think that there's an certain assumption being made here, which is that real-time looping of this nature is more or less synonymous with ambient washes of abstract sound, slowly building up and drifting through gradual changes over periods of time. Put simply, people tend to put an "equals" sign between "ambient" and "looping," at least in the sort of context that this thread is operating in. I thinking there's a fundamental problem in trying to get widespread visibility and mass acceptance for a form of music which is inherently oriented towards being ignored. Just about every "definition" of ambient music I've read talks about the idea that it should lend itself to hanging inconspicuously in the background at least as easily as commanding one's attention. That's fine, but when you start thinking about getting that sort of music out to "the masses," you've got to consider the overwhelming amount of information that the typical TV-watching, magazine-reading, radio-listening person is bombarded with on a daily basis. There are literally thousands of artists out there vying for a person's attention with in-your-face marketing campaigns and promotional assualts. This being the case, the odds are stacked against a form of music that uses the idea of being inherently unobtrusive as one of its primary maxims. You also have to consider that any instrument is only as good as the musician who plays it. In other words, if you want real-time looping to be recognized as a viable instrument/tool/musical approach by a lot of people, you've got to be able to play your looping instrument, and you've got to have something to say with that instrument that connects with people. The most open-minded audience listening in the most high-profile circumstance in the world isn't going to help any if the loopist can't give them a compelling reason to listen in the first place. Musicians in fringe genres can have a tendency to automatically assume that what they do is too "sophisticated" for the "sheep-like masses" to comprehend, without considering the issue of whether or not their music is actually communicating anything other that the obscurity of its own construction. Putting real-time looping into non-ambient genres is imperative, as well. I've got to say that I find myself a bit irked by the occasional threads that pop up on the list regarding what people would like to see in future editions of looping gear, because I don't think loopists in general have really come to terms with what the *current* crop of units has to offer! It's been over twenty years since Jaco Pastorious drew cheers from crowds by performing a looping solo piece during his set with Joni Mitchell on an ancient Electro-Harmonix delay, and at least as long since Robert Fripp started doing dual Revox concerts in pizza parlors and barber shops, thereby forever making himself the person most commonly associated with real-time looping, much to the chagrin of many other loopists. The tools that are available today eclipse those units in terms of flexibility and function (I leave audiophile debates as to the finer points of sound quality to those sufficiently inclined to obsess over such minutae), but I'm not convinced that many people are moving on past what the most visible practitioners were doing some twenty or thirty years ago. I haven't yet heard the Looper's Delight CD, but based upon a recent post's remark that "not many people would be able to sit through a lot of this kind of music," I'm inclined to think that there's a large proportion of the same sort of ambient cloud-wash sound that is most commonly associated with real-time looping. In other words, music from the same basic genre of ambient/atmospheric/abstract whatever. If people really want looping to catch on, they're going to have to come to terms with the cutting edge of what today's technology can do. They'll have to actually learn the techniques needed to play this stuff, both in the sense of knowing the technical makeup of the gear, and the physical task of executing the operations. They'll very likely have to present the stuff in a musical genre that isn't built upon a foundation of being background music. They'll have to come up with a performance presence and technique that integrates the looper into a compelling presentation (anyone who hasn't seen the video footage of Jaco doing his thing from the "Shadows And Light" concert tape needs to check this out ASAP). And most of all, they're going to have to have a thoroughly compelling musical statement to make, that transcends and translates beyond the apparatus of how the music is made. In short, after you've dealt with all the issues above, you've still gotta have something to say. Gentlemen (and ladies), start your engines... --Andre LaFosse http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 22:24:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA29301; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:24:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:24:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Looping Catching on? 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In-Reply-To: <150c03c7.369801e9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HnFvF3.0.2O.SQ2cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >So Jeff...now that you've explained what a Sustaniac model b is... > >WHERE ARE THEY AND HOW MUCH DOES IT COST!!! They are available directly from Maniac Music- the guy to speak to is Alan Hoover, e-mail HooverA@tce.com I believe that the price for the model B is $279. Get in touch with Alan- he can surely answer your questions much better than I can! He also has a line of more conventional "pick guard" mounted sustainers that are more like the ones found in the Fernandes guitars- but I believe that these are just for strat-style guitars. On top of that, Alan is a really cool guy who is REALLY committed to putting out great gear! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 9 23:38:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA06844; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:38:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:38:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <5d87280.36982cf4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:30:44 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Enough Already!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 234 Resent-Message-ID: <"a6Q1s2.0.HQ1.7p2cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Am I the only one out there who could care less if 'looping catches on'? As long as there is ,at least ,adequate technology in the field I'm happy. Right now there is more than enough devices for looping. What's the problem? You wan't to make a living off of it? Unless your sexier than the Back street boys, or can shake your ass better than Will Smith, or have better outfits than the Spice Girls, or can insult more people than Manson it's probably not going to happen. I have never expected to live off of the music I make..... First of all I make it for myself(or whoever im working with)and share it with friends or people who are GENUINLY interested in it. Second of all, when dealing with 'avant-garde' music , or whatever that means, one cannot expect 'the masses' , or whatever that means, to greet it with open arms, at least in the US. Also, what is all of this nonsense about wanting looping to considered a legitimate instrument. By who? Do all of you need society to tell you it's 'ok' to use that shinny box? And what is all of that other nonsense tying 'real instruments' to physical techniques? We only need to go through some physical medium(i.e. guitar player moving his fingers and hands about)because there is no better way. If it were possible(on probably will be in not too long)we won't even need an instrument, at least in the traditional sense of the word. It would all happen upstairs, if thats what one wants. I think all of you(I'm addressing the ones who sent the mail {I dont want to throw a blanket statement out there on all of you})are overly conserned with being accpeted by society, your peers, consumers, 'musicians'...etc..... We are all artists(in one medium or another, or multiple ones). Most of us deal with sound, again, whatever that means But it is art nonethe less I leave you all with a few quotes that I like "Art, if you want a definition of it, is criminal action. It conforms to no rules. Not even its own. Anyone who experiences a work of art is as guilty as the artist. It is not a question of sharing the guilt. Each one of us gets all of it." John Cage and "Art is you ability to percieve it." Rodrigo Kriist@Aol.com P.S...Dig the CD Gezoleen. P.P.S. Thanks for responding to the mail I sent you DT <~~~~SARCASM From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 00:55:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA16649; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:55:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:55:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000601be3c5c$e1e21320$571bbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Enough Already!! Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:48:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"SQMiQ2.0.5r3.gz3cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Am I the only one out there who could care less if 'looping catches on'? > I'll second that. >As long as there is ,at least ,adequate technology in the field I'm happy. > >Right now there is more than enough devices for looping. > >What's the problem? It's that the lower costing ones don't deliver stereo samples. Isn't that right everybody? >You wan't to make a living off of it? > >Unless your sexier than the Back street boys, or can shake your ass better >than Will Smith, or have better outfits than the Spice Girls, or can insult >more people than Manson it's probably not going to happen. > Or you're David Torn, Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, E#, and a few select others. >I have never expected to live off of the music I make..... >First of all I make it for myself(or whoever im working with)and share it with >friends or people who are GENUINLY interested in it. > >Second of all, when dealing with 'avant-garde' music , or whatever that means, >one cannot expect 'the masses' , or whatever that means, to greet it with open >arms, at least in the US. > You've got that one right. The only parts of the US that you can get good avant-garde music is NYC. Other than that you have to go to Toronto or France, Germany, or England. >Also, what is all of this nonsense about wanting looping to considered a >legitimate instrument. >By who? >Do all of you need society to tell you it's 'ok' to use that shinny box? > That's very, very true. I'm purposely bringing myself into sub-commercial music on purpose. Even though i barely use looping. >And what is all of that other nonsense tying 'real instruments' to physical >techniques? >We only need to go through some physical medium(i.e. guitar player moving his >fingers and hands about)because there is no better way. >If it were possible(on probably will be in not too long)we won't even need an >instrument, at least in the traditional sense of the word. >It would all happen upstairs, if thats what one wants. > Well, that can already happen with everything coming out of your brain. It's incredibly hard to control. Which is kinda like life. But i do like looped REAL instruments (like percussion, and other instruments.) >I think all of you(I'm addressing the ones who sent the mail {I dont want to >throw a blanket statement out there on all of you})are overly conserned with >being accpeted by society, your peers, consumers, 'musicians'...etc..... > You're right again. >We are all artists(in one medium or another, or multiple ones). >Most of us deal with sound, again, whatever that means >But it is art nonethe less > >I leave you all with a few quotes that I like > >"Art, if you want a definition of it, is criminal action. It conforms to no >rules. Not even its own. Anyone who experiences a work of art is as guilty as >the artist. It is not a question of sharing the guilt. Each one of us gets >all of it." John Cage > Cage was, is, and will always be a genius. He was the complete non-conformist. He wouldn't even let his music conform itself to what Cage originally thought for the concept of the piece. I think that if you do want more commercial success. you should be out there making a name for yourself, instead of talking to all of us who are out there either really putting ourselves up for hire, or just to make a little bit of enjoyment for themselves with music. Learn how to promote yourself...that should get you some more gigs. Sincerely, Jeff Collins From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 01:19:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA24451; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:19:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:19:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36984BA3.F1F72634@tstar.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:42:48 -0600 From: matthew turner Reply-To: gturner@tstar.net Organization: Item Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Enough Already!! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <5d87280.36982cf4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tqzHF1.0.W95.iH4cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I know I run the risk of having an angry mob of futuristic "looper" cyborgs chasing me through the night on their limbs constructed entirely out of spare echoplex, vortex and eh16 parts by submitting a "me too" post, but I'm gonna anyway. I agree! ` ME TOO! WOO HA HA! I'll leave you with a favorite (and entirely appropriate) quote of my own: "Cancer? Jesus H. Christ that's funny! Goddamnit, I need a drink." -- Abraham Lincoln circa 1865 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 01:56:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA06886; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:56:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:56:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MrBERWELL@aol.com Message-ID: <5130be1c.36984da4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:50:12 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Enough Already!! and more Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"2HtQU3.0.T01.lr4cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/9/99 11:39:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kriist@aol.com writes: > > Right now there is more than enough devices for looping. Yes, looping has caught on. It has caught on so well in fact that you have new people joining this mailing list all the time. Sometimes these new people have questions about looping devices. One would think that this (undoubtedly expert filled) list would be a great place to get answers! So to all the 15 or so people who replied to the "looping has caught on" thread, can a few of you recommend a looping device suitable for vocals, one that is foot controllable. If I missed the FAQ, someone point me in the right direction. Email me personally if this is way off topic. Jody PS- loop content: saw someone looping acoustic drums and percussion tonight. Christine Bard at Tonic in NYC. She had pickups everywhere, even on cymbals. She was opening for Eyvind Kang who came out with Marc Ribot, then Eyvind split after about ten minutes so he could sit in with Beck on Saturday Night Live. I hope he didnt get paid for the Tonic gig! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 02:42:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA26339; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:42:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 02:42:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Enough Already!! and more Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:39:06 -0800 Message-ID: <001201be3c6c$4d272c60$1bceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <5130be1c.36984da4@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QKTX71.0.Ar5.MX5cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Jody, Get yourself an Echoplex and get to work. Yours truly, Javier -----Original Message----- From: MrBERWELL@aol.com [mailto:MrBERWELL@aol.com] Sent: Saturday 09 January 1999 10:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Enough Already!! and more In a message dated 1/9/99 11:39:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kriist@aol.com writes: > > Right now there is more than enough devices for looping. Yes, looping has caught on. It has caught on so well in fact that you have new people joining this mailing list all the time. Sometimes these new people have questions about looping devices. One would think that this (undoubtedly expert filled) list would be a great place to get answers! So to all the 15 or so people who replied to the "looping has caught on" thread, can a few of you recommend a looping device suitable for vocals, one that is foot controllable. If I missed the FAQ, someone point me in the right direction. Email me personally if this is way off topic. Jody PS- loop content: saw someone looping acoustic drums and percussion tonight. Christine Bard at Tonic in NYC. She had pickups everywhere, even on cymbals. She was opening for Eyvind Kang who came out with Marc Ribot, then Eyvind split after about ten minutes so he could sit in with Beck on Saturday Night Live. I hope he didnt get paid for the Tonic gig! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 03:17:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA08737; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:17:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:17:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: siforte@ix.netcom.com X-Sender: siforte@popd.ix.netcom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:13:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Enough Already!! and more Resent-Message-ID: <"K8Fze.0.fa1.K36cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >In a message dated 1/9/99 11:39:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kriist@aol.com >So to all the 15 or so people who replied to the "looping has caught on" >thread, can a few of you recommend a looping device suitable for vocals, one >that is foot controllable. If I missed the FAQ, someone point me in the right >direction. Email me personally if this is way off topic. ------- Go to the following page - almost everything you want to know is there. www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html I recommend the Oberheim Echoplex. Sanford. PS I *may* be selling mine (including pedal, fully loaded RAM[16 megs] and with a Lexicon Vortex). If it goes, the whole set will go for $810 + shipping. I'll know more next week. btw, even if I don't sell mine, I would still recommend the EDP - it's heads and shoulders above the rest and will keep you busy for a long time if vocal looping is your thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 11:41:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA17932; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:41:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:41:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <3698D720.D542E043@boulder.quik.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:36:51 -0700 From: J- Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Enough Already!! References: <5d87280.36982cf4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KhdND2.0.2F3.pMDcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yes indeed, looping may in fact be catching on in the mainstream. So is being "alternative" or using heroin, or Buddhism, or stupidity (like my comments here!). Is any of it worthy of such lengthy discussion? Perhaps one on one, but maybe the entire list isn't interested. Maybe many are. I definately appreciate being on this list and getting answers to questions, but sometimes the "philosophical" level of banter on monitors or the popularity of looping gets kind of silly. I'm not saying I don't respect your views, but... If you like looping, loop. If you think it's becoming too mainstream and that bothers you, loop or don't loop. For the past 12 years I've been doing my own music primarily for myself and a select group of friends. It definately has to be in your heart to create soundscapes that give pleasure to one's mind. If you enjoy it, others might, maybe a small label will distribute your stuff, maybe you'll break even.... or if you aspire to become a big name, go for it! Do what you enjoy! I've said too much!!! Sorry. J- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 13:34:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28711; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:34:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:34:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990110181215.5226.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Enough Already!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"jJqu_.0.5H6.N2Fcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Kriist@aol.com wrote: > Also, what is all of this nonsense about wanting looping to considered a > legitimate instrument. > By who? > Do all of you need society to tell you it's 'ok' to use that shinny box? RFLOL!!! That's great. "Please Officer, I thought it was OK to loop!" Classical guitar has suffered from this malaise for a long time. Still, the medium *can* be the message, at times. > I think all of you(I'm addressing the ones who sent the mail {I dont want to > throw a blanket statement out there on all of you})are overly conserned with > being accpeted by society, your peers, consumers, 'musicians'...etc..... Well, being social animals, a certain amount of concern about being "accepted" is natural. YMMV of course. > "Art is you ability to percieve it." Is this also a John Cage quote? 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 14:35:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA17640; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:35:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:35:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990110142849.007a5100@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:28:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Enough Already!! In-Reply-To: <19990110181215.5226.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"o_UnT2.0.6Q3.AwFcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "Groups with guitars are on their way out." - Decca exec Dick Rowe, Jan. 1962, explaining why he wouldn't sign the Beatles. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 15:39:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA12721; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:39:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <3698A83D.B259B7D3@csi.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:16:45 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Enough Already!! and more References: <5130be1c.36984da4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o9iue.0.uO1.UmGcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello Jody, I think any of the loop machines are fine with vocals, i.e. Echoplex, Jamman (you'll have to look for one of these used), Boomerang etc. These are of course "only" loopers, if you want to do any sound-mangling you'll need additional effects. An interesting alternative for vocals might also be the DL8000 from Korg with a somewhat limited max. looping duration, but with great modulation effects etc. It's been discussed here recently, you can check the archives for more information. Or just get yourself an Echoplex together with a multieffects unit if your pocketbook is feeling particularly generous. Interesting comments concerning Christine Bard. I also play drums and percussion with heavy use of loops, FX, contact mics (also on cymbals - these sound great when down-pitched and/or delayed) etc. I saw her a few years back here in Berlin with Marc Ribot where she was just beginning to use looping and other effects. So she's doing solo gigs now? What did it sound like - was it more textural-based looping or was she also doing rhythm-sync'ed stuff? I'd love to hear more about her current setup. If you could, please tell us more. Thanks, rob -the man cable- MrBERWELL@aol.com schrieb: > > In a message dated 1/9/99 11:39:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kriist@aol.com > writes: > > > > > Right now there is more than enough devices for looping. > > Yes, looping has caught on. It has caught on so well in fact that you have > new people joining this mailing list all the time. Sometimes these new people > have questions about looping devices. One would think that this (undoubtedly > expert filled) list would be a great place to get answers! > > So to all the 15 or so people who replied to the "looping has caught on" > thread, can a few of you recommend a looping device suitable for vocals, one > that is foot controllable. If I missed the FAQ, someone point me in the right > direction. Email me personally if this is way off topic. > > Jody > > PS- loop content: saw someone looping acoustic drums and percussion tonight. > Christine Bard at Tonic in NYC. She had pickups everywhere, even on cymbals. > She was opening for Eyvind Kang who came out with Marc Ribot, then Eyvind > split after about ten minutes so he could sit in with Beck on Saturday Night > Live. I hope he didnt get paid for the Tonic gig! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 17:17:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA21689; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:17:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:17:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901102158.QAA03313@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: looping device for vocals? Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:59:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kVji31.0.OA3.E9Ics"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey jody.... > A friend of mine has been asking for recommendations on a device for creating > vocal loops. I've been eyeing the Boomerang, but wonder how it i get great vocal loops with a variety of devices...all the way fom the digitech (frisell-model) 8 sec. floor pedal to teh various digitech 'time machine' (i have 2)..also the KORG SDD 2000.. as well. basically all ya gotta do is come up with the input level that doesn't suck... andre' From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 18:07:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA13453; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:07:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:07:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3698D720.D542E043@boulder.quik.com> References: <5d87280.36982cf4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:46:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Enough Already!! Resent-Message-ID: <"1S4Zc1.0.BK1.auIcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:36 AM -0800 1/10/99, J- wrote: >Yes indeed, looping may in fact be catching on in the mainstream. So is being >"alternative" or using heroin, or Buddhism, or stupidity (like my comments >here!). Is any of it worthy of such lengthy discussion? Perhaps one on >one, but >maybe the entire list isn't interested. Maybe many are. > >I definately appreciate being on this list and getting answers to >questions, but >sometimes the "philosophical" level of banter on monitors or the popularity of >looping gets kind of silly. I'm not saying I don't respect your views, but... These more thoughtful and philisophical disucssions about looping have been part of this list since the day it started, and are a key part of it's purpose. Check the archives. If the point of the list was just to ask simple questions about technical minutiae of one piece of gear or another, I never would have bothered starting it, cause that's real boring. Thinking about what you do and defining some purpose or meaning for it are important for most people, and discussing it with others is a key element. It's a healthy thing. Trying to put it down out of your own discomfort, well sorry, but IMHO that's a bit sad. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 10 18:38:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA26716; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:38:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:38:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:22:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: looping device for vocals? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"SNvmG2.0.Vm4._NJcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << A friend of mine has been asking for recommendations on a device for creating > vocal loops. I've been eyeing the Boomerang, >> jody......the rang is fun with vocals.....you can do many simple quick things with it......up/down an octave, real-time backwards vocal, rapid fire harmonies (just layering vocals on top of each other)......vocals going backward and forward at the same time.....all of this over a loop length of 1 sec. to a little over 4 mins.......the attenuation is nice in that it begins to remove the original loop after you get to about loop number 4 (many things can be done with this)......so with the addition of some processor type boxes, which you will be able to control with your hands because the rang is under the power of your toes, you will have many options at your disposal.......all in all, well worth spending some time with.....in fact,ive taken all the strings off my guitar and now just yell into the pick-ups and loop just that, ain't no one going to call me a guitarist anymore!.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 00:21:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA11475; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 00:21:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990110225506.007b9d90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:55:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: What got ya to where you are... In-Reply-To: <5d87280.36982cf4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"G2ruL3.0.4y7.3GOcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, folks, I am curious about everyone involved in looping and their influences. What brought you to where you are now? And, what keeps you here? Looking forward to everyone's answers, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 11:06:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA21307; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:06:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:06:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990111154716.21591.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:47:16 -0800 (PST) From: dan sumner Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Zy89m.0.hh2.snXcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mcleods, My begining with looping started with trying to get a Andy Summers type tone using a digital delay. I fell in love with," I Advance Masked," and have never recovered. Permagrin(My Band) was once a nine piece mini-orchestra in the tradition of George Russell(My teacher), Gill Evans et all. After I nearly went broke and insane I got a jamman and paired it down to treated guitar and percussion. Things got way better fast, but it took Louis and I a long time to find out how to make music that made sense in this format. We've finally found a small but devoted following in New Orleans, a city that is VERY hostile to new sounds. In addition to the jamman, I also use a digitech 2101, a GR1 and a korg digital delay, and occasionally a boomerang. Dan Sumner P.S. thanx for finally changing the subject ---Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > > Hi, folks, > I am curious about everyone involved in looping and their influences. What > brought you to where you are now? And, what keeps you here? > Looking forward to everyone's answers, > Jeff McLeod > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... > http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 12:41:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA31060; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:41:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:41:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <8e61484f.369a35cb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:32:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Enough Already!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"6_NZ82.0.NZ6.dMZcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kriist@aol.com writes: >P.P.S. Thanks for responding to the mail I sent you DT <~~~~SARCASM pls see my 'looping catching on'-post. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 12:43:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA32087; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:43:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:43:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: <150f7c3a.369a3567@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:31:19 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Looping Catching on? dt's potential disclaimer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"b2VIs.0.be6.NNZcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com tcn62@ici.net writ thusly: >I don't want to put words in someone's mouth, but I think this is >antithetical to the point Paul made re DT's view of looping being perceived >as a fad rather than an autonomous field of discipline... I don't think >any >of us are (at least intentionally) advocating the use of looping as a >substitute for instrumental competency. i haven't yet read this in-print version of my so-called 'view of looping', so: i can't confirm that what's been printed is what i actually *said* (or, even: *think*): sounds suspicious, though, as i *certainly* do support & encourage loop- education (& proselytizing, to some degree), especially in regards to relevant m.i. manufacturers. and: i, for one, am convinced that 'looping' *is*, in fact, becoming increasingly validated out there in the dual worlds of music *& music-stuff*. best, dt ah yeah, to the apparently mildly embittered rodrigo, since ya posted publicly: sorry. i hope you'll understand that i'm engaged in an extremely busy, responsibility-laden life: family w/children/friends/gigs/recording/travel/etc.....: life, yo!!! i'm finding its rather difficult (& slow-going) to respond personally to all the 'requests for info' that arrive, here, via mail & email: no personal offense is intended by my long delays in reciprocating correspondence. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 13:11:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12088; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:11:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:11:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:05:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"_oXMS1.0.uA2.rqZcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) chet atkins,the ventures,duane eddy,howard roberts all led me to the guitar (there were many others. 2) the beatles led me to, how did they get those sounds (there were many others) 3) synths (wow, listen to those sounds) 4) the radio shows: "music form the hearts of space" "new sounds" and "echos" , i must get a synth 5) the change in "space music" from etherial washes to a more rythmic "world beat" type music 6) my casio cz 5000's 8 trac sequencer and the accidental finding of placeing rests (i step write everything) into my loops, this led to alot of arpegio type algorythmic type stuff 7) tradeing a few drinks at a bar for a delay pedal, now im playin the "big room" 8) no longer being asked to jam with people, the things i would do to almond brothers songs was not appreciated 9) the never ending urge to hear my music in a completed form 10) the 4 trac recorder, now we start to get wacky 11) the 5 sec. delay and sampleing capability of my alesis Q2, oh boy! 12) that phone call to mike at boomerang music 13) the rang, its all over now 14) discovery of loopers delite, i am not alone! that in a nut shell is were i've come from..................michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 13:31:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA21177; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:31:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <2b5f1d0d.369a418c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:23:08 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: north eastern loopers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"-o9ej1.0.aE4.86acs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what is the status of the eastern loopers get together, the last i read was "lets take it off list".....i think keeping it on list might be a learning experience for all of us to see how this might be done, to spread the word (loop) in other words.....i think what is necessary is keeping the "subject" box in the e-mail consistant so that those who are not interested or want the topic changed can just use the good ol delete button and not be caught up in our rambelings.....i am very interested in some form of get together and would be more than happy to work on this project.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 13:41:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA25454; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:41:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:41:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369A4726.571C@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:47:05 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... References: <3.0.6.32.19990110225506.007b9d90@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Lj0aw2.0.j85.8Eacs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My biggest musical influences were Hendrix,Scott LaFaro and Joni/Jaco duets.I'd always been attracted to playing the entirety of the bass and multitracted bass, guitar and "other" sounds especially on six-string fretless.Then I became almost obsessed(my girlfriend would say completly) with the playing of Mick Karn(still my favorite bassist)And,what put me over the edge as an unabashed loopist was the desire to explore the singing,rythmic bass ostinatos and fantasticly beautiful guitar textures(David Torn)of the POLYTOWN album,albeit as a solo bassist..... Thanks for the chance to chime in,I too am looking forward to other folks answers.. scott http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 14:01:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA01731; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:01:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:01:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: RE: Looping Catching on? dt's potential disclaimer Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:17:31 -0600 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"4oyJ82.0.T97.nVacs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If I might throw my $.02 in, I've found DT's response times to be more than adequate, and applaud the fact that he takes the time to interact with us at all, other than as a voyeur. I was just telling my wife a couple of weeks ago about a on-line coversation that I had had with DT regarding BLUE, and the upcoming release of one of my favs - Jim Carroll, and how refreshing it was to talk to an artist who felt that our viewpoints were worth discussing. It's just not found often... As far as looping catching on; it has... Ciao, -----Original Message----- From: Texture444@aol.com [mailto:Texture444@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 11:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: Looping Catching on? dt's potential disclaimer i haven't yet read this in-print version of my so-called 'view of looping', so: i can't confirm that what's been printed is what i actually *said* (or, even: *think*): sounds suspicious, though, as i *certainly* do support & encourage loop- education (& proselytizing, to some degree), especially in regards to relevant m.i. manufacturers. and: i, for one, am convinced that 'looping' *is*, in fact, becoming increasingly validated out there in the dual worlds of music *& music-stuff*. best, dt ah yeah, to the apparently mildly embittered rodrigo, since ya posted publicly: sorry. i hope you'll understand that i'm engaged in an extremely busy, responsibility-laden life: family w/children/friends/gigs/recording/travel/etc.....: life, yo!!! i'm finding its rather difficult (& slow-going) to respond personally to all the 'requests for info' that arrive, here, via mail & email: no personal offense is intended by my long delays in reciprocating correspondence. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 14:27:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12902; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:27:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:27:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990111190719.17300.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:07:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"PXFfA3.0.BS2.yxacs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > > Hi, folks, > I am curious about everyone involved in looping and their influences. What > brought you to where you are now? And, what keeps you here? > Looking forward to everyone's answers, 1. Robert Fripp and Brian Eno 2. Jamman and a keen disregard for the audio saftey of those around me ;-) 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 14:28:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA13528; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:28:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:28:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:21:54 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: RE: Looping Catching on? dt's potential disclaimer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"odwM_.0.nb2.Gzacs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Leo... You're dead on about David Torn. What an artist and what a guy! Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 14:50:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23972; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:50:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:50:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:40:26 -0800 Message-ID: <0017616E.C21407@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: What got ya to where you are... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"r1D7V3.0.f55.iHbcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > Hi, folks, > I am curious about everyone involved in looping and their influences. What > brought you to where you are now? And, what keeps you here? Looking forward to > everyone's answers, Fripp of course... also tape loop experiments with friends in the early 70's. This led to much use of heavy regen on any box with any delay times over ~750ms. Lots of heavy clouds coming out of my old Roland SDE3000 and Digitech IPS33b! When I heard about the JamMan, I was first in the door to grab one and have been in love with looping ever since. It was great to find David Torn and Bill Frissell doing their own unique variants. Terry Riley and Brian Eno both fueled the fire for different reasons. Now the lust for an OB DEPro looms large! Future electronic hybrids and cross breeding with DJ's seems very attractive to me and I'm on the hunt for any collaborators live or via cyberspace to balance out my guitar madness. I've just added a E-mu Emax sampler to my instrument list, so things should get deeper and sicker soon! Pulse on! Miko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 15:31:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09262; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:31:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:31:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369A4992.1490F0C6@home.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:57:22 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CDAB3338A5F9BA3AABD8B109" Resent-Message-ID: <"k5szz1.0.091.Bqbcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CDAB3338A5F9BA3AABD8B109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit c. 1983 started using a program on the IBM PC called Texture. This was one of the first midi sequencers and had an architecture based on looping patterns and linking patterns into songs with realtime controls for many elements. The whole paradigm of Looping started there for me... Still not sure where I am...And in a sense where I strive to be is: being comfortable and free in not knowing... --------------CDAB3338A5F9BA3AABD8B109 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ngold.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Neil Goldstein Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ngold.vcf" begin:vcard n:Goldstein;Neil x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:ngold@home.com fn:Neil Goldstein end:vcard --------------CDAB3338A5F9BA3AABD8B109-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 15:44:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA15182; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:44:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:44:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369A6207.ACB156DB@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:41:43 -0500 From: "Trevor D. Bajus" Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... References: <369A4992.1490F0C6@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"30Z9Q2.0.na2.y0ccs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Not being able to tune my guitar,a quadroverb, and a mother that didn't love me.... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 15:59:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA22135; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:59:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:59:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: ENAT21213@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:43:47 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: north eastern loopers Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"xqjMS1.0.va3.L9ccs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/11/99 1:33:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > what is the status of the eastern loopers get together, so far not so good......... a couple response so far one almost exterminating the subject off this list (which i kinda agreed with until this last related post...........more below). i reside in s.c. so unfortunately can't help landing a venue, etc., but if you guys up there in the north east can arrange for this thing to happen i'll be there (with at least a couple months notice of course). >the last i read was > "lets take it off list".....i think keeping it on list might be a learning > experience for all of us to see how this might be done, to spread the word > (loop) in other words.....i think what is necessary is keeping the "subject" > box in the e-mail consistant so that those who are not interested or want > the > topic changed can just use the good ol delete button and not be caught up in > our rambelings..... i agree.......this subject to me seems as relevant as any other looping subject that gets discussed on this list. might just learn how something like this can or cannot work. >i am very interested in some form of get together and > would be more than happy to work on this project.........michael i'm in just let me know what i might do to further progress your thoughts? brian electric bird noise http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 16:09:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA26573; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369A66D9.C07B66C0@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:02:23 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... References: <3.0.6.32.19990110225506.007b9d90@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CaJfs.0.6T5.dPccs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > Hi, folks, > I am curious about everyone involved in looping and their influences. What > brought you to where you are now? And, what keeps you here? > Looking forward to everyone's answers, > Jeff McLeod > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... > http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ this pulled me outa lurkerhood long enough to ponder the question (not that there ain't plenty to ponder on this list, loop'zens, but I've been so *slow* to get up to speed on my 'plex that I've felt like there's a serious consciousness gap to bridge before my comments on loopage are worth much to you all ;^)). anyway, I had this fantasy (after recalling the magical 'phase-shifting' of steve reich's music for eighteen musicians) of creating a sound piece that passed through a sequence of layered loops much the way certain aquatic species (squids come to mind) pass through patterns of coloration as they attempt to camouflage themselves (if this is too vague, I'll try again: a pattern resulting from the gradual shifting through a sequence of loop layers such that loops exit out the 'tail' of the sequence as new ones form at the 'head'; suffice to say I'm still working on it). oh yeah, eno, fripp, frisell, the aforementioned reich, riley et al, and stuart dempster's mind-blowing trombone and didg' stuff from some dang beautiful abbey back in the mid-eighties (not looping per se, but great reverberant-play on the standing waves in the space; if I find the lp I'll post to the list for anyone interested...). back to front and front to back lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 17:10:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA20359; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: What got ya to where you are... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:02:26 -0800 Message-ID: <000101be3dae$1754f480$a332dacf@stepheng> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0017616E.C21407@wj.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"rKbss2.0.634.vIdcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Okay, you asked for it. :) Born 1956 in New Orleans. We moved to Kansas City, MO shortly thereafter (1957) and my first memories of specifically Listening to the radio involve Big Band, Swing, and Jazz, which was mostly what was on KCMO back then. At some time later I was listening to James Brown, and doing imitations of his screams on the corner in front of our house (still can, too!), so I know I was exposed to that, Motown, all that, before the Beatles hit. I remember seeing them (you couldn't really hear them that well for the screaming) on Ed Sullivan. In '64 we moved to Northern NJ, here I continued my diet of Motown and Beatles, and the music inbetween (the staple of WMCA and WAB(eatle)C in NYC, via a transistor radio of one kind or another underneath my pillow. Even when I went to summer camp I smuggled a transistor radio with me. Went through a lot of batteries, of course! But by 1966, I'd pretty much consumed popular music at that stage, though the "Beatles/Jesus" controversy pretty much put a moratorium on open listening to the Beatles)and by '68, armed with that youthful disaster known as An Allowance, I began buying singles. Really pop stuff. Jackson 5, Edwin Starr, Mamas and Papas, Temptations, Beatles, Peter & Gordon, Supremes... About that time I was (probably purposefully) introduced to Beethoven via my parents and Time-Life, which produced a marvelous D.Grammophon set of all his works. My brother can be credited with saving my musical life officially though, getting me "Best of Cream" and CCR's "Bayou Country" for Christmas/Birthday. From then on it was Rock for me, thanks. Though I showed an appetite for soundtrack albums even then... "2001", "Grand Prix," and so forth, with a real preference for the incidental music from films, stuff you never hear on the radio. It's that point - 1968 -that I target when I think about ambient/situational music as a part of my musical construct. I was especially attracted to the Ligeti pieces on the "2001" soundtrack, and still like them a lot (even when MST3K does their version of "Monolith Music". Kubrick, one must say, must have introduced a lot of people to classical music in this manner. On the heels of hearing bits of it on the radio, I got the "Clockwork Orange" soundtrack, and, armed with my love of Beethoven, proceeded to teach myself how to play the old "Ode to Joy" variations put forth by (then) Walter Carlos. I didn't however buy the "Switched-On Bach" album - as funds were limited on a paper route's pay, and everyone played the hell out of it anyway - but instead continued to explore Other-Than-Normal music. Besides my rock tastes, which were pretty standard I guess (could anyone not include the Stones?). It was an eye-opener to find the single of "Whole Lotta Love" including the drum solo, which I bought right before my first school dance. The drum solo didn't help me envision dancing though. I went on to the Moody Blues (from "To Our Children's Children's Children"), Alice Cooper, King Crimson, Pink Floyd (starting with "A Nice Pair"), Black Sabbath, John McLaughlin/Mahavishnu Orchestra, which could represent the Art Rock contingent, I suppose. I felt confident enough in a semi-repressive household at that point to buy "Are You Experienced?", which had no small effect on me, either! When I took control of an unused acoustic guitar left by my father from old lessons, figured out a tuning I could understand (EAEAEG, in that proportion), and found I could learn to play a lot of modern (ie "cool") music, I was heretofore attached to the guitar, and vice-versa. I didn't play in front of people, however, until 1978, and this was such a disaster that it not only merits its own story, but caused a moratorium on performance that lasted until 1990. That on its own is a journey of strange repute, but it didn't subvert my interest in other-than-guitar-based music. I don't ever recall focusing in on any particular guitarist at that time, besides Jimi, insofar as personality data is concerned, (though I remember a lot of people deifying Clapton) up until 1976 when I caught "The Midnight Special," then hosted by the late Wolfman Jack, with special guest B. B. King.- wherein he passed on two things, [1] the Real Story of Lucille, and [2] how he does his vibrato. I hadn't stretched strings with other than a whammy bar by that point (on a $49.95 electric Sakova from Sam Goody's that my parents bought me for Christmas), and that on its own I count a major step forward in technique. The first time I tried it on acoustic (B.B. said it makes you work harder) was on Bowie's "Fame". I still can't play like B.B., but then who can? He put forth, though, the element that I needed at that time, to go off on my own path, instead of imitating others. But then I am nothing if not a fierce individualist, and so this appealed a great deal to someone just approaching 20. College exposed me to yet more interesting sources of music, especially Frank Zappa, Genesis, Yes, and a string of obvious Southern Rock items like The Allman Bros., Marshall-Tucker, and so forth (I WAS at college in NC). 1977 found me in Syracuse, attempting to continue an already spotty academic career (the first attempt cut short by Mono), throughout which people attempted to introduce me to both Brian Eno's and Robert Fripp's work, to no avail. I was obstinate then. It wasn't until 1980 when I found myself home again, taking courses at night, that I began getting their work, and really listening to it. Fripp's in particular - in combination with his monologues - lent me a sense of structure in my playing, and my thinking, which I admit I was desperately in need of, both then and beforehand. This is becoming a monologue on its own, and will be continued later after some chicken soup and a nap. Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 18:16:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA17452; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:16:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:16:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369A84CF.994004A6@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:08 -0600 From: Jason Winders Reply-To: winders@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UjPL63.0.XW3.mIecs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am looking to purchase a looping device. Basically my purpose for this TODAY is to lay rhythm tracks to practice over. Is the Boomerang a good piece of equipment? How does it compare to a Lexicon Jam Man? Does any one out there have one that could tell me what to expect to pay? Any must have add-ons? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 18:21:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA19861; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:21:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:21:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901112316.SAA21518@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:16:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q6RvR2.0._74.2Oecs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey any one have experience withe the HOHNER steinberger copies??? any pros and cons?? they seem to be sanctioned by steiny, their logo is on there.... thanx From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 18:37:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27103; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:37:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:37:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990111233723.20540.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: petr dolak Subject: Alternative/Looping in Cleveland area To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"FdmvD1.0.Cr5._becs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I am going to move to Cleveland, Ohio and look for contacts on people involved in alternative/looping/experimental/etc. creativity. Anyone like that in Cleveland/Akron/around, interested in perhaps some common projects? Please respond to my address: pepetr@hotmail.com An info is here: http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=120598165113 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 18:38:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA27626; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:38:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:32:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Why got ya to where you are... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 176 Resent-Message-ID: <"dPogK2.0.J16.ldecs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Originally my loop set up was a substitute for playing in an ensemble which would consist of individuals with 'certain abilities'. My challenge is to use the technology without sounding repetitive.(or mechanical). The way instruments interact is what drives this. Or rather the way I wish they could. Apparently cloning isn't an option. So the option too build up layers of interlocking sounds by electronic means is appealing. And using electronic mutation to allow one instrument to have radically different tone colours. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 18:50:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA00068; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:50:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:50:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Alternative/Looping in Cleveland area Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:40:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"3St7V3.0._17.Lmecs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com cincinnati is as close as i can get, but is there anyone in cincinnati interested in a looping project? > -----Original Message----- > From: petr dolak [SMTP:pepetr@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 6:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Alternative/Looping in Cleveland area > > I am going to move to Cleveland, Ohio and look for contacts on people > involved in alternative/looping/experimental/etc. creativity. Anyone > like that in Cleveland/Akron/around, interested in perhaps some common > projects? > > Please respond to my address: pepetr@hotmail.com > > An info is here: > http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=12 > 0598165113 > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 18:53:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA01402; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:53:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:53:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: What got ya to where you are... Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:42:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"UgxrQ.0.UD7.xnecs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 1) Hearing a jamman in perfomance and thinking to myself, how is he doing that is what got me started. 2) Being able to create massive mounts of sound and rhythm without any planned direction that blows my mind and my friends is what i enjoy. And the next day trying to capture what i did the night before with precission but always being tempted to venture down another mind blowing spontaneous creation is what keeps me going. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod [SMTP:subversive@mindspring.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: What got ya to where you are... > > > I am curious about everyone involved in looping and their influences. > What > brought you to where you are now? And, what keeps you here? > Looking forward to everyone's answers, > Jeff McLeod > __________________________________________ > This is not here-- > And now is almost over... > http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 19:23:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14719; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:23:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:23:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0772069@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Enough Already!! . . . "good" avant-garde music Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:39:31 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"umHJu3.0.F03.OJfcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Collins [SMTP:collinsclan@sprintmail.com] > > > You've got that one right. The only parts of the US that you can get good > avant-garde music is NYC. > ** i would have to say that this is absolutely untrue. having been at some really great "avant-garde" musical experiences in both los angeles and san francisco - - as well as great bands from places like new mexico - - i have to take exception to this comment. a friend of mine, who is a very well-known bassist on the nyc avant-garde scene and does much touring in europe, etc, has given me this nugget of wisdom (when attempting to lure me to relocate to nyc): "geography is perception." your comment, IMHO, does nothing but prove his point. in my view, the unfortunate reality is that there are people all over the states who are doing interesting things who will never get the recognition they deserve. why? i feel that it is because of the fact that the nyc press is convinced that what goes on there is the center of the (avant-garde) universe, and that other people in the press follow suit. (i think that you could look at people like eric dolphy, ornette coleman, charles mingus, don cherry, etc. who started there thing in la, but didn't "matter" until they went to nyc.) an example: here in la, the press almost never writes about people unless they come from nyc. all of a sudden they open their eyes and say, "oh, look what's happening here," and then go back into hybernation when the guys from nyc leave. the same thing happens with people who go to see shows, they neglect their own hometown scene, it dries up and then they wonder why people from other parts of the country won't come here (and they don't have place to play). there is plenty of good music being made all over the states, the problem is that people feel that it only comes from nyc, thus creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. if you want to talk about the dearth of places to see shows, i might be inclined to agree. however, people often say that there's nothing going on in la, yet there are three or four different series that provide this kind of music - - not as many as nyc to be sure. if you feel stuck in your town, i guess you can relocate to nyc, or try to develop your own hometown scene . . . if you can deal with the frustration. to be sure, the states in general are a tough nut to crack. i played with julius hemphill for a number of years. in that time period, we did three fairly lengthy tours of europe - - and only four nights in the states. for getting gigs in europe, the magic of being from nyc is often still quite necessary. you mentioned toronto, i've also heard some great stuff coming out of montreal on the ambiances magnetiqiue label. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 19:33:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA18810; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:33:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:33:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: RE: Boomerang Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:28:02 -0800 Message-ID: <001001be3dc2$6a171540$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <369A84CF.994004A6@worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"hupej3.0.ex3.1Rfcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I am looking to purchase a looping device. Basically my purpose for > this TODAY is to lay rhythm tracks to practice over. > > Is the Boomerang a good piece of equipment? > How does it compare to a Lexicon Jam Man? > Does any one out there have one that could tell me what to expect to > pay? > Any must have add-ons? > > I have a Jamman, and a friend of mine has a boomerang. The boomerang's audio quality is nowwhere near the jamman's. The Jamman's is about as good as you need for live situations, though it is definitely a tiny bit dull to my ears. However the boomerang can get 2 minutes of audio whereas the Jamman can only get 30 seconds, and uses very obscure memory chips. There is an beta 'hackware' eprom upgrade for the Jamman that has been mentioned here before, that a large number of upgrades to the basic jamman, and makes it a lot more powerful (I'm going by the manual here) I sent away to the guy who built it, who is generously making available for free, but have yet to receive the chips, and try them out. I'm thinking about selling my Jamman, if anyone is interested. I need a longer looper with more features, like an Echoplex, though I have heard some critical comments on this list about the echoplex's audio quality. I'm a spoilt brat aren't I? Nothing is good enough for my ears :P bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 19:37:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA20388; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:37:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:37:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "James Ko" To: Subject: Monitors and Amps Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:49:27 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <02fd90633000c19UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"pKTUt2.0.KT4.BWfcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all. I've been lurking for a bit here and I am a new comer to this whole looping thang. I am just starting to look for items to create a small person studio for myself and would like some purchacing advice from anyone out there. I've read through the studio monitor string last week (the pros and cons of the Yamahas) but was wondering if anyone had any experience with the Alesis Monitor Ones. They seem to be priced to compete with the Yamahas. I too have friends who either swear by the yamahas or dispise them (the consensus I got was about the same as the opinions given here and Looper's Delight). Are the Alesis any better/worse/the same? I was also wondering what a good reference amp might be. Is the Alesis one OK? Hafler? Carvin? Thanks a bunch. Jim Ko From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 20:04:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA32013; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:04:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:04:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: What got ya to where you are... Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:59:39 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"v2WXt1.0.6F7.hufcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This should be good for a laugh. My earliest recollection of looping would be when I was only a few years old, and I discovered how to work my parents record player. Sometimes the record would skip on an interesting part of the record and form an almost seamless loop. Sometimes I would manually shift the needle to acheive this effect. After my childhood I remained quite seperated from music until I was sixteen, when I discovered late night music television. That was the end of my days as an early riser, but the start of a love of music. My first favourite band was Aerosmith, and I quickly turned onto bands like Living Colour, Faith No More, Janes Addiction and Fishbone. I was a happy metalhead for a while too, and absorbed many "classic" influences such as Led Zeppelin and Santana. Soon I started wanting more complexity and colour than the new music of the (by then) early nineties was providing. It must have been some sort of reaction to the domination of grunge music, because I headed straight for King Crimson. (Much thanks to Vernon Reid for mentioning his influences in a guitar mag) Then it was all over. Crimson => Robert Fripp => Looping Crimson => Tony Levin => Stick And for the last three years I have been listening to the inevitable music to come from looping and stick sources. Parallel to this I have discovered the beauty of Miles Davis' 70's era music, much classical and non-western music, and have been playing a bit of my own music. However, my biggest influence is not from a musical source as such, but from the world around me. I think it stems from watching too much of the Muppet show as a kid, but i observe that a lot of the activity of everday life has qualities that I can best express in musical or audio\visual terms. Hence my occupation\pastime as an animator. I have only tentatively ventured into the realm of looping music and visual terms, but i intend through the use of computers to create some connections between audio and visual loops. I have thought that there are two approaches here. Since looping is often spontaneous, it would be good to be able to loop images spontaneously too. At the same time, I don't know that the technology is there yet, and so I may approach it from a more structured and planned stance, more like writing a visual score to accompany music :) End of story JL > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod [mailto:subversive@mindspring.com] > >Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 2:55 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >Subject: What got ya to where you are... > > > > > >Hi, folks, > > I am curious about everyone involved in looping and > >their influences. What > >brought you to where you are now? And, what keeps you here? > >Looking forward to everyone's answers, > >Jeff McLeod > >__________________________________________ > >This is not here-- > >And now is almost over... > >http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 20:02:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA31365; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:02:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:02:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: Roland EV-5 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be3dc6$458f7100$5df1ffd0@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0772069@migarexch01.maritz.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"HvAlQ2.0.It6.Srfcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know what value and type of potentiometer is in the Roland EV-5 expression pedal? I do not have a picture of one, but I would also like to know if this pedal has a pre-connected cord (stereo? mono cable?) or if you have to supply your own. Thanks! Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 20:18:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05335; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:18:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:18:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MrBERWELL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:12:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Christine Bard Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"SdpF-1.0.xt.G7gcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/10/99 3:40:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, r_t_cummings@csi.com writes: > Interesting comments concerning Christine Bard. I also play drums and > percussion with heavy use of loops, FX, contact mics (also on cymbals - > these sound great when down-pitched and/or delayed) etc. I saw her a few > years back here in Berlin with Marc Ribot where she was just beginning > to use looping and other effects. So she's doing solo gigs now? What did > it sound like - was it more textural-based looping or was she also doing > rhythm-sync'ed stuff? What she was doing was definitely more textural based. Not much going on "groove wise". I wasnt blown away by what she did, but the potential is there. She had a real piecemeal drum kit, with various pedals scattered all over it, and what looked like a small Mackie mixer. Sorry, I didn't take a good look at it up close. I think she was getting her loops going via a foot- pedal type unit. I am pretty sure she will be at Tonic again this Thursday, with Marc Ribot and violinist Eyvind Kang, but she might just be playing acoustic drums. -Jody From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 20:27:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA09310; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:27:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:27:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <9dbd04b7.369aa24a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:15:54 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? dt's potential disclaimer Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"AJWxR1.0.oB1.v9gcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/11/99 7:03:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com writes: > If I might throw my $.02 in, I've found DT's response times to be more than > adequate, and applaud the fact that he takes the time to interact with us at > all, other than as a voyeur. a slow delay doesnt not bother me at all, in fact i took that into consideration when i wrote david, i understand that you, as well as everybody esle on this planet, lead a busy busy life i anticipated a long delay in hearing a reply and even if my questions at that time were a tad on the innocent side i would have appreciated a, "sorry, cant answer, im busy" i thought that you never read your mail until i got on the list and saw that you did regularly this showed me a grave disinterest in whatever i had to say rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 20:41:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA16445; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:41:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:41:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369AAE62.5D3EF68B@tstar.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:12:37 -0600 From: matthew turner Reply-To: gturner@tstar.net Organization: Item Recordings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x1VhE1.0.QN3.lSgcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My earliest cognitive realization of "looping" was a track called "Sweatloaf" from a Butthole Surfers album entitled "Locust Abortion Technician. This was 1987, mind you I was thirteen years old and was quite happy with my transition from listening to Iron Maiden and Motley Crue to Metallica and Slayer. The eighties were an evil time to be an impressionable youth. Needless to say, I didn't understand and was a little scared of the Butthole Surfers. Yes yes, I listened to goddamn Fishbone and Jane's Addiction a few years later. Then I began my flirtation with psychedelics. and then it went a little something like this: husker du to fugazi to sonic youth to my bloody valentine (this would be were the "looping' influence came in) to flying saucer attack to stars of the lid to merzbow and japanese noise to evan parker, derek bailey, AMM et al. to Tony Conrad, Lamont Young...minimalism I find the echoplex to be a supreme tool for the chaos loving minimalist...if you set it to a loop time of 7 or eight seconds you car really make some complex pieces rather quickly. Okay...Blutorge. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 20:45:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA18779; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:45:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:45:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990112014039.8163.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:40:39 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? dt's potential disclaimer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"2255Y.0.rT3.iTgcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Doesn't this list have a NO WHINERS policy/leave DT alone policy? Jeez... ---Kriist@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/11/99 7:03:28 PM !!!First Boot!!!, > Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com writes: > > > If I might throw my $.02 in, I've found DT's response times to be more than > > adequate, and applaud the fact that he takes the time to interact with us > at > > all, other than as a voyeur. > > a slow delay doesnt not bother me at all, in fact i took that into > consideration when i wrote > > david, > i understand that you, as well as everybody esle on this planet, lead a busy > busy life > i anticipated a long delay in hearing a reply > and even if my questions at that time were a tad on the innocent side i would > have appreciated a, "sorry, cant answer, im busy" > i thought that you never read your mail > until i got on the list and saw that you did regularly > this showed me a grave disinterest in whatever i had to say > > rodrigo > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 21:09:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA30605; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:09:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:09:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601be3dc6$458f7100$5df1ffd0@futurepe> References: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0772069@migarexch01.maritz.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:09:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Roland EV-5 Resent-Message-ID: <"j2Cto.0.i37.5ugcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone know what value and type of potentiometer is in the Roland EV-5 >expression pedal? I do not have a picture of one, but I would also like to >know if this pedal has a pre-connected cord (stereo? mono cable?) or if you >have to supply your own. I just measured mine. It's preconnected cord has a TRS connector. It's not stereo but has the following connectivity as far as I can tell: Tip to one end of the potentiometer Ring to the other end of the potentiometer Sleeve to the Wiper of the potentiometer. The potentiomenter seems to be about 8.8 Kohms (10K nominal I suppose). With the pedal all the way forward, the sleeve and ring measure 0 ohms. With the pedal all the way back, the tip and sleeve measure 0 ohms. Hope this helps. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 21:20:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA02557; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:20:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:20:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369AB0D1.B5E92788@texas.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:17:55 -0600 From: Bobdog Catlin Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland EV-5 References: <000601be3dc6$458f7100$5df1ffd0@futurepe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IPUYD1.0.w8.W1hcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Future Perfect wrote: > Does anyone know what value and type of potentiometer is in the Roland EV-5 > expression pedal? I do not have a picture of one, but I would also like to > know if this pedal has a pre-connected cord (stereo? mono cable?) or if you > have to supply your own. > > Thanks! > Dave Eichenberger hi dave - 1) the main pot is a 10k (no typo: 10k) with a 50k between it and ground, the 50k being the adjustomatic on the side. i don't have my meter here or i'd tell you exactly how it's wired up. 2) the stereo wire is pre-connected. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 22:24:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA29906; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:24:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:24:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:16:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland EV-5 In-Reply-To: <000601be3dc6$458f7100$5df1ffd0@futurepe> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"R_Qi11.0.ff6.Zxhcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Don't know the value, but the cable is supplied/part of the unit. Stew On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Future Perfect wrote: > Does anyone know what value and type of potentiometer is in the Roland EV-5 > expression pedal? I do not have a picture of one, but I would also like to > know if this pedal has a pre-connected cord (stereo? mono cable?) or if you > have to supply your own. > > Thanks! > Dave Eichenberger > ********************************************************************* > 'Future Perfect' - art music > guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices > http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 22:28:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA31649; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:28:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:28:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990111222555.007cdd10@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:25:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... In-Reply-To: <369A4726.571C@earthlink.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990110225506.007b9d90@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ay0q52.0.k87.30ics"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I started looping in earnest in 1979-1980 in Ames, Iowa. I was a college student at the time and had access to all sorts of cool A/V equipment at the University. On weekends, I took home two Revoxes and did the "Frippertronics" thing with a longish tape loop. I was playing in a heavy metal chamber orchestra at the time ("The Nameless Anarchist Horde") and tried to bring looping into our performances, without much luck. My recollection was that everybody had trouble relating to rhytmic idiosyncracies and suchlike. Anywho, I bagged it and wited until I had a decent digital delay pedal (something by Digidesigns with a sampling option...don't recall the name) in the mid 80s. Then samplers in the early 90s. Then a JamMan when it first appeared. Now a maxed EDP. Heaven, I'm in Heaven. Hasta -> Dr Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 22:33:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA01441; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:33:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:29:52 +0900 (JST) X-Sender: morgan@popmail.gol.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199901120031.TAA17897@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Morgan Fisher Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... Resent-Message-ID: <"PubUZ2.0.km7.V5ics"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, I've been lurking long enough - and what an active list this is - amazing! Apologies for what may seem like blowing my own trumpet, but I'd like to refer to one or two of my recorded works here as it may be relevant. I got into looping first when I had a few weekly private lessons in electronic music in a small but very creative London institute in about 1979 - my kindly and knowledgeable Swedish teacher introduced me to a VCS3/twin-Revox setup which blew my mind - I soon got the same setup myself, after a few limited but successful experiments using a Sony stereo tape deck and pulling the tape away from between the rec/play heads and looping it round a mike stand (a good way for those who only have one tapedeck). Later I saw a Stockhausen piece for string bass and tape delays in a church - another mind-blower! Later again I saw Frippertronics at the ICA in London - mind now in tatters! Got to know Fripp at that time and he kindly provided a piece for my "Miniatures" album (which had 51 one-minute pieces by all and sundry). At first he said he would tape Queen Elizabeth's voice then slow it down so it would - as he said - sound just like Prince Philip! Finally he sent me a tape of him playing a cheesy little organ in what sounds like one of his early polyrhythm experiments - probably the only piece on record of Fripp on the organ. By the way, I am just putting the finishing touches to the sequel, "Miniatures for the Millennium" - no release set as yet. Fripp is on there again, jamming with Trey Gunn. Other loop-type stuff on this album includes Terry Riley, Dagmar Andrtova (a Czech lady blasting an acoustic guitar through echoes), a one-minute version of Gavin Bryars' epic "Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet", Daniel Figgis (Irish minimal grunge), Chris Hughes (producer of McCartney, Tears for Fears, Robert Plant, etc., and a Reich fan - his piece loops his 3-year old daughter's voice), and things that are completely played or sung but sound looped by Piano Circus and Meredith Monk. One of my best looping projects was a 1980 album "Slow Music" with the wonderful soprano sax player Lol Coxhill. Lol played a free version of Handel's Largo. I then slowed down the tape of that to half speed, ran it through the VCS3's filter (sweeping) and then through long tape delays, and he played unerringly over that. On moving to Japan, my Yamaha SPX1000 inspired me to see what happens when you have two delays going (with a lot of feedback - say 90%) that are almost the same length - e.g., 5 secs and 5.001 secs. It's interesting - after a few repeats the echoes take on a thin metallic quality, emphasising certain harmonics. By adjusting the second delay by a millisecond or so, different harmonics can be emphasised. I've always loved dub, since the heady days of '76/'77 when most of the punk shows in London clubs also featured reggae/dub DJ's - a nice mix of cultures very reminiscent of ten years earlier when it was soul (Otis, James, Motown, Stax) plus rock (Who, Kinks, et al). So I am now the proud owner of a Roland Space Echo which has plenty of nice wow and flutter and filthy tape head noise. Also just picked up a Dynacord Echocord which is similar but has an Echoplex-type slider to control the delay time. My newest love is my TC2290 which goes up to 64 secs delay. Had to buy a used one as, unbelievably, due to the unavailabity of a small part (some kind of internal cable I believe) one can no longer buy upgrades to extend the delay time over 10 sec, although the 2290 is still on sale. I am just getting to grips with this monster. If anyone knows of a 2290 mailing list please would you post the address here? Another fine experience of looping which stands out in my memory is jamming at my home studio with a flamenco guitarist. He was unlooped but I invited him to play repeating short phrases in the same tempo/key as my Roland electronic piano, and once he felt totally comfortable with it, to add or subtract a note and keep on "manually looping". To keep the tempos together I ran my piano through a short delay - 1 or 2 secs. I found that I stayed on one (fairly fast 16th-note) phrase for almost the whole of the 30 minutes we played. All I could vary was finger pressure and the sustain pedal. Limiting myself to these two very simple modes of expression gradually opened up a whole new feeling in me, a continuing rush of energy and on-the-edgeness that was extraordinaarily invigorating. As my friend Jose and I left the studio soon after and headed for a bar I felt amazingly strong and balanced - the feeling persisted throughout the evening. To slightly digress, I had a similar experience with a camera! At the time I was experimenting with taking long exposures (2 or 3 mins) of city lights at night while moving the camera (handheld, or rotated on a tripod, or even dangling from my neck as I bicycled) - a kind of "painting on the film" if you will. One evening on a train from Osaka to Kyoto I stuck my lens up against the window and took photos of the passing lights, hoping that the lines thus drawn would be visually interesting. It really raised my perception of things that I normally ignore - the quality, colour, size and distance of the various lights. After I while I started slowly rotating the camera on the axis of the lens so the lines would become spirals and waves. This completely engrossed me for the entire journey (regardless of the strange looks I was getting from the other passengers!) and, like the previous example, I felt amazingly vital and yet peaceful afterwards. Without getting too corny, I also felt a lot of love for all my tired, hardworking Japanese fellow travellers as I walked through the crowded Kyoto station. It would be interesting to know what other "inner" experiences fellow loopers have had. The focus and attention required for this technique can be, I find, very uplifting, clarifying, and feels damn good! With thanks and best wishes, Morgan Fisher >From Morgan Fisher, Tokyo, Japan Email address: morgan@gol.com Second email address: Morgan_Fisher@ringo.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 23:05:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA14973; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:05:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:05:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369ACA33.37CC1C3A@boulder.quik.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:06:17 -0700 From: J- Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... References: <3.0.6.32.19990110225506.007b9d90@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1mB8y1.0.p73.CZics"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > " I am curious about everyone involved in looping and their influences. What > > brought you to where you are now? " Funny, just today, I was telling my bandmate about this list, and said I really had no idea what people's musical interests were, aside from Torn, Fripp and the few things mentioned... so, good question! For me too, it was probably a record skipping that intrigued me way back when I was in grade school. (Probably some Zeppelin or Sabbath thing) Somewhere during gradeschool in the mid seventies I discovered John Cage at the local library. It was probably the main influence that took me into the realm of experimental music. I got into punk int he late seventies, like '79, and learned to search for music that was far from the mainstream. In the early eighties, SWANS and Butthole Surfurs had loops that attracted me. Shotrly thereafter, I learned about groups like Nurse with Wound, Current 93, Sleep Chamber, Hafler Trio, Lustmord, Controlled Bleeding, Burroughs & Gysin's tape cut ups and much, much more. They all created sounds that went straight into my mind, unlike most popular music. (Classical and traditional jazz have always done the same thing for me. Well, in different ways.) About 15 years ago I decided to try to create my own "soundtracks" and experimental music. Loops, whether looped in a "looping" device or sequenced, have always intrigued me. For me, they can be very mesmerizing, even if they are very harsh like the works of Merzbow. Loops play a good sized part for me in creating soundscapes. My sounds progressed quite a bit since I ran in to my friend and guitarist, Tim, whom I record with. He came from a somewhat more trad background, (Rush, King's X, Torn etc) but knew how to experiment.The primary comments from people who listen to our recordings is.. "sounds like Fripp & Eno." Wow! Is my response to that. Kind of funny since Tim knows of and likes Fripp & Crimson, but never really "studied" his stuff. I have like Crimson, Eno and the "No Pussyfooting" type collaborations, but never really thought about trying to sound like them. Nurse with Wound is my big influence. (But I don't sound like that either.) Tim also turned me onto David Torn, and am forever in debt to that! (Excellent music David! Perhaps you and Tim should play together! Or try teaming up with Steve Stapleton of NWW!) Right now we (XERST) have been communicating with World Serpent to see if they have any interest in taking us on. 3rd demo is in their hands, ther eis some level of interest...so we'll see. If not, there are still a multitude of experimental labels out there to contact. It would just be fun to get the stuff out there, and perhaps make enough to keep putting out music and buying gear once in a while! (just an enjoyable hobby I guess) So them's the influences, what got me here, and where I'm going! Thanks for asking, and I sincerely thank everyone else that has responded. It is fun to find out where everyone else is coming from. (and thank you Kim for the list, even if I disagree at times!) Jim Sincock From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 11 23:05:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA15072; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:05:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369ACA41.C240F35D@boulder.quik.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:06:32 -0700 From: J- Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan RAM References: <001001be3dc2$6a171540$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fJv4A3.0.h83.KZics"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, If anyone on the list is looking to upgrade the RAM in their JamMan, I might have a really cheap source for it. Last year I finally got around to trying to upgrade it and found that suppliers wanted outrageous prices. I found a RAM dealer that could get it pretty cheap but I had to buy a minimum of 100 chips. If there were enough folks interested, I'd consider buying the 100 chips and selling them to you at cost plus shipping. I think they had told me it was under $10.00 per chip. It is a 4 chip upgrade, so it would probably be under $40.00, plus shipping. So if there are 24 other folks out there interested in this, let me know. I'll check on pricing and availability again tomorrow. I have no interest in making cash on this, just want to upgrade without getting ripped off. Let me know, Jim Sincock From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 03:37:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA30597; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 03:37:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 03:37:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990112014039.8163.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:31:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping Catching on? dt's potential disclaimer Resent-Message-ID: <"iV-35.0.Rl6.ZWmcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:40 PM -0800 1/11/99, Randy Jones wrote: >Kim, > >Doesn't this list have a NO WHINERS policy? >Jeez... If it did, I'd have to kick everybody off. ;-) re: looping catching on: the Looper's Delight web site traffic continues to grow and set new records for itself. Last week there were over 14,700 page-view hits (meaning not including graphic elements and what-not.) That's well over 2000 a day! And I don't even have a single porno on the site! anybody want to buy advertising space? :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 09:29:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA10039; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:29:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:29:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: north eastern loopers -- Boston AND NYC Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:16:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Wr8F03.0.bo1.7hrcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We've had looping events in Boston. And will again among the locals here. I have and can again help get them organized. However, some have prefered NYC -- which I cannot help organize, and so will gladly ride someone elses coat-tails for a change. dk > -----Original Message----- > From: ENAT21213@aol.com [SMTP:ENAT21213@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 3:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: north eastern loopers > > In a message dated 1/11/99 1:33:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Nemoguitt@aol.com > writes: > > > what is the status of the eastern loopers get together, > > so far not so good......... > a couple response so far > one almost exterminating the subject off this list (which i kinda agreed > with > until this last related post...........more below). > i reside in s.c. so unfortunately can't help landing a venue, etc., > but if you guys up there in the north east can arrange for this thing to > happen i'll be there (with at least a couple months notice of course). > > >the last i read was > > "lets take it off list".....i think keeping it on list might be a > learning > > experience for all of us to see how this might be done, to spread the > word > > (loop) in other words.....i think what is necessary is keeping the > "subject" > > box in the e-mail consistant so that those who are not interested or > want > > the > > topic changed can just use the good ol delete button and not be caught > up > in > > our rambelings..... > i agree.......this subject to me seems as relevant as any other looping > subject that gets discussed on this list. might just learn how something > like > this can or cannot work. > > >i am very interested in some form of get together and > > would be more than happy to work on this project.........michael > i'm in > just let me know what i might do to further progress > your thoughts? > brian > electric bird noise > http://members.aol.com/ebnoise/index.html > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 09:52:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20286; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:52:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:52:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Bizurko@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:40:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Boomerang Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <"0HBmr3.0.Hd3.gxrcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com How much do you want for the Jamman if you indeed sell it? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 10:45:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10579; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901121523.KAA07237@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: CD Compilation Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:23:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-XiZH2.0.x7.iYscs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hello... > I invite you to participate in Pure Granulated Sound, a > CD compilation project coordinated by Interfear Recordings > (myself) and co-produced by all who contribute. All you need > to join in is one minute of sound, and twenty-five dollars (US). i;d like to participate in this - one question...is it you (two?) or is it this guy>>> email: stophim@muscanet.com thanx. pls let me know what the deadline is, etc - or a site where this info lives peace, and thank you andre' Homepage http://www.monmouth.com/~andre Info on my bands JFK's LSD UFO and HIDDEN AGENDA official PROJECT/OBJECT site http://www.jswd.net/projectobject [frank zappa tribute band i play guitar in] From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 10:45:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA10517; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:45:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <26f794ba.369b6a8f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:30:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: JamMan RAM Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"eLZ1N.0.qw.-fscs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 99-01-12 03:17:00 EST, you write: << If anyone on the list is looking to upgrade the RAM in their JamMan, I might have a really cheap source for it. Last year I finally got around to trying to upgrade it and found that suppliers wanted outrageous prices. I found a RAM dealer that could get it pretty cheap but I had to buy a minimum of 100 chips. If there were enough folks interested, I'd consider buying the 100 chips and selling them to you at cost plus shipping. I think they had told me it was under $10.00 per chip. It is a 4 chip upgrade, so it would probably be under $40.00, plus shipping. So if there are 24 other folks out there interested in this, let me know. I'll check on pricing and availability again tomorrow. > I have no interest in making cash on this, just want to upgrade without getting ripped off. I got mine from http://www.visionsoft.com for $9.95 each + shipping. If they still have them this might save you a lot of hassle. They were very easy to deal with and very fast. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 10:58:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA16564; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:58:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:58:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001001be3e42$d91be440$2a0211ac@hciccd.hollchem.com> From: "Bill Appleton" To: Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:47:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"JXLfz3.0.g-2.Lxscs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I have one of the Hohner steinberger copies (the guitar, I think they make a bass also). The tone is entirely different from a real steinberger guitar. The pickups are cheapo "emg licensed" pickups and the body is made of wood. All that said, its a pretty good guitar in its own right. The hardware is pretty good, the tone is OK (maple neck thru), and the playability is good for a sub-400 dollar guitar. I bought mine as a cheap travel guitar and it has done pretty well in that role. Pros: Looks like a steinberger, low cost, lightweight, travel-ready, low-noise pickups, single coils (s/s/h config) work well with ebow, versatile tone knob and pickup switches, nice bridge and whammy bar, uses cool double ball end strings. Cons: Doesn't sound like a steinberger, weak pickups, uses double ball end strings. Bill Appleton -----Original Message----- From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 5:32 PM Subject: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... >Hey > >any one have experience withe the HOHNER steinberger copies??? any pros and >cons?? they seem to be sanctioned by steiny, their logo is on there.... > >thanx > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 11:34:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA00231; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:34:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:34:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:24:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001CFAE3.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re[2]: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"klK663.0.cx6.kStcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com And in addition The one I have was a pig to set-up - juggling the bridge height Vs. tension for the whammy and the locking mechanism which still allows just a tad too much play. And a neck like a baseball bat... But... It coped with an open-air gig half way up a mountain in Norway during a fierce down-pour and does have an intriguing array of its own tones, even if, as Bill says, none are especially Steinbergeresque. So, like most "budget" guitars, some are good, and some are just destined to travel to my parents-in-law for the weekend 4 times a year (OK and Norway once in a lifetime). David ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Author: "Bill Appleton" at Internet Date: 12/01/99 09:47 I have one of the Hohner steinberger copies (the guitar, I think they make a bass also). The tone is entirely different from a real steinberger guitar. The pickups are cheapo "emg licensed" pickups and the body is made of wood. All that said, its a pretty good guitar in its own right. The hardware is pretty good, the tone is OK (maple neck thru), and the playability is good for a sub-400 dollar guitar. I bought mine as a cheap travel guitar and it has done pretty well in that role. Pros: Looks like a steinberger, low cost, lightweight, travel-ready, low-noise pickups, single coils (s/s/h config) work well with ebow, versatile tone knob and pickup switches, nice bridge and whammy bar, uses cool double ball end strings. Cons: Doesn't sound like a steinberger, weak pickups, uses double ball end strings. Bill Appleton -----Original Message----- From: andre To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 5:32 PM Subject: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... >Hey > >any one have experience withe the HOHNER steinberger copies??? any pros and >cons?? they seem to be sanctioned by steiny, their logo is on there.... > >thanx > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 11:50:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA07018; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:50:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:50:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:39:34 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Misfill@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Monitors and Amps Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"g6j_S2.0.tX.Ygtcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Mr. Ko, I've had some real good luck with the Alesis products as far as their amps and their speakers go. Mixed results on their rack unit effects units, though... Personally, I have a pair of Point 7's, and love 'em. I've found that they are sturdy and for my purposes; using them with and around computer equipment has made a real difference as far as which studio speaker to try out. The monitor ones are also nearly as good, but I feel that they are not as warm sounding, as the Point 7's. Carvin tend to be a real good choice, though my own personal preference is in the JBL 310, or 412 models. These are currently a bit too large for my apartment, and so I have to be content with the Alesis speakers I am using... The best advice is to really give the speakers a decent run through with music that has great engineering, and uses a wide variety of tonal colours and changes (slow and fast). This way, you won't have the supreme displeasure I've had, of actually ripping a speaker cone in half, when the Moog I was using produced some sounds that were disagreeable to what was currently coming out of the speakers in question. The biggest questions to ask yourself before going out are: 1.) Where am I going to use these speakers? 2.) What type of room, will I be in? 3.) What type of music am I going to play through the speakers, and at how much Wattage, physical abuse, etc., ... ? 4.) Are you and where are you going to mount them? Hope this helps out, and by all means, feel free to email me outside of the list should you have any other questions. Tchus, Lee-ohki. PS. Personally, I go around with 3 CD's to test out any prospective speakers. Those CD's include: Pipe Organ music recorded dry, Bag Pipes (recommend the Scottish Rogues for this one, off their album, "Hollerin' for Haggis!") and then Peter Gabriel's Passion album. I have also always kept a spectrum analyzer for the room I was going to be in. It has really made the difference as far as what I've had to do on both live gigs and on studio ones, too. L. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 11:50:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA06868; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:50:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:50:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:40:12 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Boomerang Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"55UQs.0.bb.4htcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't know. Are you making an offer? Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 12:08:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA14876; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:08:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:08:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE3E54.E899EF90.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: What got ya to where you are... Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:56:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QPFwf3.0.uT2.5ytcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Morgan Fisher wrote, > I've been lurking long enough - and what an active list this is - amazing! cool to have you on the list. Miniatures used to be one of my favourite albums... it's still worth listening to! * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 12:31:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA25433; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:31:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:31:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369B835C.2053@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:16:12 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... References: <001001be3e42$d91be440$2a0211ac@hciccd.hollchem.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L-rhx3.0.Vl4.qEucs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >any one have experience with the HOHNER steinberger copies??? any pros and > >cons?? they seem to be sanctioned by steiny, their logo is on there.... > I have one of the Hohner steinberger copies (the guitar, I think they make a > bass also). The tone is entirely different from a real steinberger guitar. I wouldn't assume the name steinberger on an instrument is an endorsement by the company. More likely the tuner was simply licensed so Steinberger could make some more cash. There are a couple companies making "steinberger" copies. I have an Arbor "steinberger" Bass which I Love but it's hardly the real thing. Mine has the full licensed tuner system (Says so right on the front :)) and the Hohners I've seen are basically the same thing (tuner is 100% steinberger but that's where the similarity ends) Steinberger's big claim to fame is that they are all graphite necks. Neither the Arbors or Hohners have grapite anything. Mine is all wood and uses two "arbor" dual pickups, one Volume, one tone, and a triposition switch. Personally I think it sounds great (almost like a fretless) and believe me I know what a cheesey copy it is in reality but the fact remains it's easy to play (24 frets!) sounds great and has been rock solid (one cross country flight as carry on baggage in it's gig bag and no problems at all. The big pro is they go for aorund $250 or so. You are *not* getting a steinberger in sound or craft but you might be getting a nice and *very* portable solid bass. I have too many basses and guitars as it is and never gave a damn about steinbergers or their physical appearance. When I played this cheese copy by arbor and saw the price tag I totally changed my mind and I'm very glad I did. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 12:29:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA24467; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:29:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:29:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Trisstine@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:17:25 EST To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: re:what's up(really!) with the EDP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <"dZr_v1.0.uY4.QDucs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Listers, 1/12 This morning I received a very nice letter from Michael Ayers at Gibson stating the following, "Gibson does and will continue to distribute the Echoplex REGARDLESS of what happens to Oberhaeim."(capitals are mine) Not to worry, the EDP is safe. Chris Olden From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 13:05:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA09648; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:05:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:05:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:48:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Looping Alert! Resent-Message-ID: <"XbOsT3.0.Bt.hmucs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I will be doing a loop show at Penny Lane tomorrow night (Jan 13th). I am hoping that Eric Deutsch of Fat Mama will be joining me. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 13:46:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA28799; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:46:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990112192412.006cbcf0@net.ganymed.org> X-Sender: lorenz@net.ganymed.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:51:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Lorenz Haeusle Subject: Re: Monitors and Amps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ut5Bw.0.9L6.7Svcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi, try NAD amplifiers it's a very difficult thing with amps and speakers. you just have to try what fits together. we use nad-amplifiers together with some old alesis-monitors (they really are old and huge, but sound just fantastic, don't ask my anything about them...) for near-field monitoring we use some cheap walkman speakers (as reference-speakers - when you have a good mix, it even sounds good on those little boxes) as it was discussed on the list, you just have to try - and, don't forget - trust your ears and not the sales-men. At 19:49 11.01.99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. > >I've been lurking for a bit here and I am a new comer to this whole looping >thang. I am just starting to look for items to create a small person studio >for myself and would like some purchacing advice from anyone out there. > >I've read through the studio monitor string last week (the pros and cons of >the Yamahas) but was wondering if anyone had any experience with the Alesis >Monitor Ones. They seem to be priced to compete with the Yamahas. I too >have friends who either swear by the yamahas or dispise them (the consensus >I got was about the same as the opinions given here and Looper's Delight). >Are the Alesis any better/worse/the same? > >I was also wondering what a good reference amp might be. Is the Alesis one >OK? Hafler? Carvin? > >Thanks a bunch. > >Jim Ko > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 14:05:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA04316; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:05:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:05:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369B9C14.BA013F56@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:01:44 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang References: <001001be3dc2$6a171540$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"N9mxJ2.0.2Q.ujvcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > ...I'm thinking about selling my Jamman, if anyone is interested. I need a > longer looper with more features, like an Echoplex, though I have heard some > critical comments on this list about the echoplex's audio quality... my perception is that the 'plex's audio quality is just fine, assuming input levels are appropriate to source material- aside from the odd pair of golden ears among us (for whom every piece of equipment falls this side of perfection), i would wager there's a consensus to that effect (i'm actually amazed kim hasn't picked up this thread ;^) lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 14:23:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12049; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:23:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:23:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369B9CF1.D5882CFB@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:05:26 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IyDuv2.0.9n.Knvcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jamie Lack wrote: > My earliest recollection of looping would be when I was only a few years > old, and I discovered how to work my parents record player. > Sometimes the record would skip on an interesting part of the record and > form an almost seamless loop. > Sometimes I would manually shift the needle to acheive this effect. a child prodigy of looping! hahaha! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 14:44:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA22108; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:44:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:44:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paul.C.Wright@ercgroup.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: How I Got Started Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:37:03 -0600 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"45F861.0.4g4.yIwcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It seems like it all hit at once. Early eighties, after about six years of rock guitar stuff: Eno - Another Green World (Fripp on St. Elmo's Fire, which is still my absolute favorite guitar solo), started checking out Fripp, found King Crimson, Belew, Levin, Gabriel, Sylvian, etc. I decided that I wanted to do that, bought a Juno 2 keyboard, borrowed a friend's Juno 106 keyboard, Roland sequencer, and 4 track, and with my bass, started doing that (not very well, but the tapes are still satisfying). Apartment got broken into, everything stolen, except (inexplicably) a custom-made guitar. Recouped with guitar effects, and have been doing it that way every since. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 15:01:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA29445; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:01:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:01:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE3E59.DF230BE0.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: the CDs Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:19:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IT8E51.0.xR6.xXwcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Last week there were over 14,700 page-view hits (meaning not > including graphic elements and what-not.) That's well over 2000 > a day! And I don't even have a single porno on the site! talking about hits, I'd be interested to know what the interest is for our Looper's Delight CDs. Matt? Are you listening? Are you selling this thing at all? Also, I'm a little bit disappointed that for the first LD CD, there is still no news about availability. I'd really appreciate at least a statement of intent. * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 15:16:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA03570; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:16:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:16:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990112200851.5773.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.79] From: "Bob Campbell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:08:49 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"XJzA72.0.Jx7.Skwcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "EH-16 user suffers mindrot, studies jazz, now back for more!" - late 70's, saw demo of two 4-track decks looped in San Francisco at an avant garde performance. - Fripp solo/Revox tour in Student Union at U.C. Berkeley Fripp/Eno recordings... minimalist compositions by Glass/Reich - met Mike Matthews at Winter NAMM 82, bought EH-16 (ElectroHarmonix "Fripp-in-a-box" delay) - early 80's performed with two Teac 4-tracks to loop all the mics, plus EH-16 on guitar or synth. What a pile of noise :) - 1982-1990 thousands of hours alone looping, looping, looping... very cosmic, very sublime, and finally... very boring! learned very little about music during this period. Not much theory, not much repetoire. It was great fun, but it was almost like an educational blackout. I called myself an 'electronic guitarist', but I couldn't even play 'Autumn Leaves'. I never heard of melodic minor harmony! - 1993 sold the EH-16 as a collectors item. Started working on really learning the guitar, learning some jazz theory, learning some tunes, including the melody (never bothered before). - 1997 - bought a JamMan used, upgraded memory. I have used it 90% as a practice tool to work on improv over jazz changes. - Listening to old tapes from 10-15 years ago, wow, pretty interesting! So much of it was gear-based, those certain synths, the EH-16, the weird little ethnic instruments. How did we make those sounds??? Start to use the JamMan for weird stuff... So now, armed with much improved musical knowledge and skills, I'm making some cosmic music again. I realize in retrospect that looping was so seductively fun, I really lost my bearings as a learner. I wish I hadn't ignored my 'conventional studies' for so much time. My hours of looping served me not at all, when it was time to take a solo on 'Round Midnight in a band situation. So its great to be back doing loops, but what I'm looping is MUCH more interesting now. Bob (Seattle) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 15:27:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA08451; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:27:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:27:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990112201944.006ef7dc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:19:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"3pU14.0.FF1.Bwwcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 06:19 PM 1/12/99 +0100, you wrote: >> Last week there were over 14,700 page-view hits (meaning not >> including graphic elements and what-not.) That's well over 2000 >> a day! And I don't even have a single porno on the site! > >talking about hits, I'd be interested to know what the interest is for our >Looper's Delight CDs. Matt? Are you listening? Are you selling this thing >at all? Also, I'm a little bit disappointed that for the first LD CD, there >is still no news about availability. I'd really appreciate at least a >statement of intent. The issue with the first CD is there needs to be somebody handling duplication. Matt has generously agreed to handle taking orders, shipping, credit card processing, etc, through Marathon Records but he doesn't have time to deal with logistics of manufacturing the CD's themselves, and Ray Peck doesn't have time (obviously :-) to do that either. I've been intending to attempt organizing the people on the vol 1 cd to figure out who has CD-R's and would be willing to burn batches of disks (or deal with a cd pressing plant) but I haven't had time either...:-( Also, Ray said he was doing another version of the master to include a fixed track somebody submitted, so who knows where that is.... So Michael, if you or somebody else on the cd that's reading would like to take on organizing this, please do. Probably it's best to start with CD-R instead of pressing a 1000, and see how it goes from there. I would say you need to get in contact with the others on the CD, find out who has a cd-r and how many they are each willing to press, get the master to these people, get the printed inserts from Ray to some convenient location where the can be inserted in the jewel case, get all cds to that same spot, and get the final box of cd's dropped off at Matt's doorstep. I'm hoping that somebody can take this on, cause I'd really love to see vol. 1 come out! kim _________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com ATI Research 408-752-9284 http://www.chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 17:41:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA05027; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:41:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:41:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901122234.WAA00131@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> From: "Tim Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:33:30 Reply-To: "Tim Walker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... Resent-Message-ID: <"jOQWb1.0.uE.Hsycs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi folks, The question of "How did you get into looping?" got me thinking back into my own musical development, and for a few moments I couldn't remember how I came across the style. But it slowly came back to me, so here's my penn'orth: The first looping I heard was at the 1991 Greenbelt Festival in central England, from two separate artists. During Steeleye Span's set, violinist Peter Knight played a canon by Telemann, using a delay unit to play the second violin part; soon afterwards, I witnessed a truly astounding set by Phil Keaggy, playing a James Olson acoustic guitar through a JamMan (I think - maybe it was another delay?). Keaggy is a particularly fine player, and frequently uses a JamMan in live performance and recording to this day; I think it was his show that first got me thinking about loops in music. Around 1994 I was discovering Eno's back catalogue with considerable enthusiasm, mostly his 70s output ("Another Green World", "Before And After Science", etc.). I don't remember exactly how, but I came across "[No Pussyfooting]" about that time, and despite having heard it was a challenging listen (to put it mildly), decided to give it a spin. "Mmm... now this I like!" I've always had a soft spot for minimalist drones, and "Heavenly Music Corporation" got me thinking that maybe, just maybe, I could play this sort of thing. Easier said than done with a Boss DD2 delay (800ms max) and no EBow or volume pedal, but... well, I'll get round to that. I made my first "looping" recording, "The Echoing Green", in early '95, creating the main rhythm of the piece by cranking the time and feedback settings on the DD2 up to max, and layering guitar phrases through it. Someone who heard it said it reminded them of the Durutti Column, which led to me discovering Vini Reilly's work not long afterwards (I'd never heard of him before). Sometime in the intervening year or two I also found Ed Alleyne-Johnson's two albums of looped electric violin, "Purple Electric Violin Concerto" and "Ultraviolet", which convinced me even further that looping was an approach I could make use of. These CDs, and particularly the latter, are worth acquiring if you can find them, though I can't speak for availability outside the UK. To me, Ed epitomises what electric violin **should** sound like - if there was any justice in the world, it wouldn't be Vanessa-Mae who sells the most violin CDs... I spent October 1997 in Berlin, working at a publishing house there, and whilst there met a musician busking in the Breitscheidplatz (the central square, just over from the Zoo Station). His name escapes me (an Auatralian - Michael someone?), but he was playing a guitar synth and didgeridoo through a JamMan, and it sounded glorious, the way he was layering all these sounds and soloing over the top. I'd have to say it was this guy who reawakened my latent interest in looping, and on my return to the UK I started looking for a JamMan or similar unit. It was about this time I discovered Looper's Delight, most probably via a posting to Elephant Talk, and things just grew from there! Finally, early last year, I learned that the Boomerang was being stocked by my fave guitar store, Chandler in Richmond, and as I'd come into some spare cash I acquired one. The rest, as they say, is history - I've recorded one loop guitar "virtual album" for my Web site, and have another almost ready for MP3.com as I write. Looping has totally turned my playing style around; it's given me a musical direction, as well as showing me all the areas of my guitar playing I really need to improve! It's been a long and winding road (sorry) to this point, but I'm very grateful to have found both this musical style, and this community of musicians who employ it. Thank you for sticking with me thus far, and good night from Staines, England... Best wishes, Tim. ************************************************************ +--------------+ Tim Walker { o o } Staines, Middlesex, UK { [] } tawalker@dircon.co.uk { \__________/ } http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~tawalker/ +--------------+ "You can't always wait for a composer to write the music you want to play." (Derek Bailey) ************************************************************ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 17:40:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA04445; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:40:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:40:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901122216.RAA01313@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:17:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZB0ni3.0.BI6.8cycs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey all thanx so much for the feedback, all of you... times like this the net, and esp. this group, really shine.. i have gotten a ton of good pros and cons to weigh my decision with...! peace and loops From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 17:58:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12857; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:58:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:58:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369BD103.7D98@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:47:31 -0500 From: Legion X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: FS: Korg X911 Analog Guitar Synth References: <199901122234.WAA00131@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rHaqc.0.f82.p5zcs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Title sez it. Korg X119 Guitar synth in good shape for sale or on esoteric trade. Cosmetically it's about an 8-8.5 (minor scratches) functionally very good with one exception; the slider only works one way (you can mute the preset side). The synth side can be normally muted with the buttons and other settings so this was never a big deal to me and in fact I never knew it wasn't supposed to be like this until I played someone else's) Unit is 100% original and complete with all knobs and such and comes with the stand adapter thingie which attaches to the bottom of the unit and lets you mount it on a board or mic stand. This is one *very* cool analog box and an incredible sound mangler form the Korg MS series dynasty. Basically it's a pitch to voltage oriented synthbox with some "preset" sounds on one side and a synth section on the other that can be set up as a tracking VCO or external processor. Autowah, envelope follower stuff, waveform distortion and more are available (all analoge of course). It has the MS20 Lowpass filter (w/cutoff knob). You can also detune the presets from the VCO to make pseudo stringz and chords and such (very Adrian Belewish). Presets (and I use the term loosely) are Tuba, Electric Guitar, Violin, horn, Distorted Guitar (Nice!), and flute. Various settings for input to adapt tracking from guitar to synth to thermin or whatever. protamento, and tune knobs. Of course this is all relative as all these monsters glitch like crazy unless you set them up *exactly* right. Running a drumloop into it will make the most wonderous mistracking and rhythmic shrieks you've ever heard. It's made to be twisted. CV/Gates in and out as well as VCF and FM 1/4" in. Use it as a third VCO for an MS20 (or 2nd VCO for a MS10) and it's tracks perfectly via the CV/gate in. I'm only selling this monster because I finally got my dream guitar synth setup and don't use this that much anymore. Asking $350 OBO. Buyer pays shipping on prepay (many references available). Price is pretty fair from recent postings and way below dealer prices but I'll listen to trades and/or any ideas you have. For more infomation you can see a pic and specs at: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~kbrunner/effects/x-911.htm and pic of it mounted is here: http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~kbrunner/effects/effects.htm email Legion@voicenet.com Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 20:55:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA12000; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:55:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:55:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369BFCDB.EC34D943@boulder.quik.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:54:36 -0700 From: J- Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan RAM References: <26f794ba.369b6a8f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MPcQN3.0.u92.ij_cs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Ken, that might be the way to! Best, Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 21:17:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA23046; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:17:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:17:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: neato@pipeline.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:14:50 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: neato@pop.pipeline.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Resent-Message-ID: <"1hxVl3.0.z85.950ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com have had a hohner g2 guitar for years...twin humbucker...emg- select- pickups..."real" emg pick-ups are low impedence and require active circuitry..the select line are "regular" high impedence pickups like on most guitars..they dont have personality like many custom pickups but they do have a good clean output and are very quiet ie hum free...the guitar is made of wood as opposed to graphite(which i actually prefer)...the tremelo is what is licensed from steinberger and it is their most basic..it is not a trans-trem!..unfortunately this is its weakest link...at first (after various tweaks for a good setup) it performed admirably..the bar allowed holdworth-esque legato and i was able to tune the guitar by barring a chord and shaking the vibrato arm..not bad...eventually though the machined parts started to wear and things started to go wrong..when i posted about where i could get replacement parts, i was told by a number of people that the tremelo had a history of problems(the posts holding the unit to the body would strip)...in addition the nut adjusting tension has also stripped...i could not get a current address for hohner so i contacted steinberger via new owner -gibson..(gibson released a spirit line which is identical to the hohner)..i was told via e-mail that steinberger had nothing to do with hohner..when i pressed the issue that the hohners were identical to the gibson spirit line and parts should be interchangeable they wrote that i should contact them with parts info..which admittedly i havent done...last i heard steinberger via gibson was no more... -so the moral of the story...great knock around guitar capable of some real flexibility but beware those machined parts cause they will go and parts will be hard to replace cheers if anyone knows different, please let me know all my mistakes were once acts of genius neato@pipeline.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 21:53:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA05140; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:53:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:53:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <1d28dd05.369c08a1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:44:49 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"nC_kA.0.9R.aY0ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Neato writes... "i heard steinberger via gibson was no more... -so the moral of the story...great knock around guitar capable of some real flexibility but beware those machined parts cause they will go and parts will be hard to replace cheers if anyone knows different, please let me know" I don't know what the status of Steinberger is at Gibson right now, but you might want to give Lorenzo at Klein Electric Guitars a buzz...(he has a website)... See if he can set you up with a Steinberger trem. He's personaly addressed the issue of Steinberger quality control...and has no doubt seen more worn Steinberger trems then most humans. He replaced my trem unit free of charge after I wore it out with about five years of use and abuse. Incidentally, I think one point should be made...when working properly, even the plain vanilla Steinberger trem and tuning system is a fantastic invention. -Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 22:12:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA13715; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:12:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:12:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:26:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Stockhuasen Interview Resent-Message-ID: <"9qhEY.0.fh1.3k0ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Loopers, I just finished reading this interview with Karl Heinz himself. He was interviewed by Iara Lee for the film Modulations which deals with electronic music. Stockhausen has been twiddling knobs and doing wild things with the location of performers and multiple loudspeakers since the 50's. It's a good read. http://www.furious.com/perfect/stockhauseninterview.html Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 22:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22546; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <448d1750.369c120a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:24:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tfzh32.0.zj4.e81ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey all, If you are hurting for Steinberger parts or instruments, check out: www.edromanguitars.com He has been super helpful in the past. As far as Gibson goes with Steinberger, I haven't heard anything on that one, but it would be a shame for Steinberger to go the way that Kramer has gone for years and years and years to go... Hope this helps out some. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 22:50:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA30272; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:50:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990113034433.006f89f8@blkbox.com> X-Sender: gonzo@blkbox.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:44:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mister McKnight Subject: Re: the CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"ORbpK2.0.U66.2L1ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why not just put it on an ftp site and create temporary accounts for buyers so they can get on there and download it to burn their own? Once they've logged on for said amount of time to acquire it, cancel the account. As far as piracy goes, you could set it up so that a user only has one day to login and get the goods. And if they need more time, just change the user's name and password each day, so they can't filter it out. Probably could be done by a program... At 12:19 PM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote: >At 06:19 PM 1/12/99 +0100, you wrote: >>> Last week there were over 14,700 page-view hits (meaning not >>> including graphic elements and what-not.) That's well over 2000 >>> a day! And I don't even have a single porno on the site! >> >>talking about hits, I'd be interested to know what the interest is for our >>Looper's Delight CDs. Matt? Are you listening? Are you selling this thing >>at all? Also, I'm a little bit disappointed that for the first LD CD, there >>is still no news about availability. I'd really appreciate at least a >>statement of intent. > >The issue with the first CD is there needs to be somebody handling >duplication. Matt has generously agreed to handle taking orders, shipping, >credit card processing, etc, through Marathon Records but he doesn't have >time to deal with logistics of manufacturing the CD's themselves, and Ray >Peck doesn't have time (obviously :-) to do that either. I've been intending >to attempt organizing the people on the vol 1 cd to figure out who has >CD-R's and would be willing to burn batches of disks (or deal with a cd >pressing plant) but I haven't had time either...:-( Also, Ray said he was >doing another version of the master to include a fixed track somebody >submitted, so who knows where that is.... > >So Michael, if you or somebody else on the cd that's reading would like to >take on organizing this, please do. Probably it's best to start with CD-R >instead of pressing a 1000, and see how it goes from there. I would say you >need to get in contact with the others on the CD, find out who has a cd-r >and how many they are each willing to press, get the master to these people, >get the printed inserts from Ray to some convenient location where the can >be inserted in the jewel case, get all cds to that same spot, and get the >final box of cd's dropped off at Matt's doorstep. I'm hoping that somebody >can take this on, cause I'd really love to see vol. 1 come out! > >kim >_________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS kflint@chromatic.com >ATI Research 408-752-9284 >http://www.chromatic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 23:01:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA02363; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:01:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:01:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990113035025.00b9ffcc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:50:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Resent-Message-ID: <"pzKLZ1.0.dD7.3V1ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:24 PM 1/12/99 EST, you wrote: >As far as Gibson goes with Steinberger, I haven't heard anything on that one, >but it would be a shame for Steinberger to go the way that Kramer has gone for >years and years and years to go... > Gibson said they are planning to reopen steinberger later this year. I beleive they are moving it to their new Memphis facility when that opens. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 23:15:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA08098; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:15:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:15:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:00:40 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hohner/Steiny Copy question... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Resent-Message-ID: <"_03HZ1.0.ng.6h1ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/13/99 3:34:32 AM !!!First Boot!!!, M3chakucha@aol.com writes: > As far as Gibson goes with Steinberger, I haven't heard anything on that one, > but it would be a shame for Steinberger to go the way that Kramer has gone > for > years and years and years to go... > I own a steinberger(gibson)gm-pro it came with little imperfections from the factory since i had to wait 2 months in the first place to get it and then end up getting the wrong guitar i didnt want to mail it away the store i bought it from couldnt even get in touch with them!! steinberger(gibson)is no more at least for now rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 12 23:43:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20452; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:43:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:43:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901130431.UAA18066@grebe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:34:34 -0800 Subject: Re: the CDs From: "Matt and Kristy McCabe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"j5nd-2.0.db3.752ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >talking about hits, I'd be interested to know what the interest is for our >Looper's Delight CDs. Matt? Are you listening? Are you selling this thing >at all? Also, I'm a little bit disappointed that for the first LD CD, there >is still no news about availability. I'd really appreciate at least a >statement of intent. Yeah...I'm listening...sometimes! :-) Sales have been steady but not staggering. The biggest problem has been slow delievery times thanks to the holidays and the US Postal Service....up to a month in some cases!! Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 01:04:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA22658; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:04:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:04:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <1cec6172.369c351e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:54:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"ajV7g2.0.UR4.hJ3ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Briefly...when I learned to play a few John Fahey-ish Travis-picking licks in the hazy daze of '67, I was immediately struck by the hypnotic qualities of an endlessly rolling fingerpicking figure; there being no discernable difference between "practicing" and "playing" in those days, I spent a lot of time listening to repetitous patterns. Wasn't much of a leap to notice that a chord sequence would sound better if it could be arranged to knit back seamlessly into its starting pattern...in fact, that seemed to be one of the keys to the Fahey message--along with his astounding moodiness. From then on, repeating (or nearly, or partially, repeating) cycles have been the first things I tend to notice in all kinds of music, and gear that lends itself to repeats (sequencers, drum machines, tape loops, etc. has always perked my interest...and such stuff is incredibly prevelant! I'm actually surprised to read that so many folks here hadn't (apparently) been similarly struck with the loopy-ness of almost all music until encountering an avowed "Looper." Of course, maybe I'm structurally challenged and can't twig anything more complex than "Oh, yes, here's that theme/beat again...!" dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 01:04:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA22770; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:04:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:04:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901130600.WAA10817@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Enough Already!! . . . "good" avant-garde music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:00:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0772069@migarexch01.maritz.com> from "Liebig, Steuart A." at Jan 11, 99 01:39:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZptP-2.0.z15.5P3ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > Collins [SMTP:collinsclan@sprintmail.com] > > > > > > You've got that one right. The only parts of the US that you can get good > > avant-garde music is NYC. > > > ** i would have to say that this is absolutely untrue. having been > at some really great "avant-garde" musical experiences in both los angeles > and san francisco - - as well as great bands from places like new mexico - - > i have to take exception to this comment. Jeff, please don't take this as "piling on", but I have to agree with Stu Leibig. I don't mean to toot San Diego's horn too much and in fact admit that finding good avant-garde here takes a bit of work. But's its not that hard here, what with UCSD's music department and the folks associated with it. I get a decent dose of avant-garde at a place called Spruce Street Forum. Just missed Stu's quartet there but did manage to see KRosser play with Brad Dutz as well as other quality improv artists. Yes, Bonnie the director relies on donations to pay folks from NYC to come down here, but she also has performers from the West Coast, Canada, and, yes, even San Diego play at the Forum. Actually, I think it may be harder to find live drum-and-bass music here than good avant-garde... :) Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 02:28:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA24148; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:28:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:28:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:24:33 -0800 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... Resent-Message-ID: <"h9-GQ2.0.iB5.cb4ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hmmm, too many years of classical piano lessons. Discovering pot, prog rock, and synthesizers in Jr High, without any of which I would not have survived. My friend Bernie Edl's 4-trak Norelco reel-to-reel (this was in the late '70's, pre-4-trak), learning to splice, loop and reverse tape. Building a few PAIA kits. College: discovered punk rock and bass guitar while ostensibly learning to program. Read too much Cage and Eno at a too impressionable age. Bought my first analog delay in 1980, still have it. See an Ornette Coleman gig that blows my mind, but takes several years to come to terms w/it. Drop out of college to tour with a new wavey haircut band, almost get signed, band self-destructs. More bands, more self-destruction. Clerk at a used record store, buy too many records. Return to college late-80's, study jazz composition w/ Rob Blakeslee, jazz piano w/Steve Christofferson. Help build an electronic music studio at school, later dismantled. Start a recording studio with a partner, recording lots of punk bands on the cheap. Buy a mac, finally find a use for all the programming shit when I pick up Max. Acquire several digital delays along the way, still have most of 'em. More bands, less success. See Pro-Tools in action, immediate light-bulb in head-I gotta have that! Intense free improv sessions, swear off of composition "permanently". Start Minus w/Henry Franzoni/Mark France. Buy a better mac, and Deck. Assemble Minus CD in Deck. Get current job developing educational multimedia, buy more gear. Early JamMan adoptee. Gig around NW doing free-improv. Get bored w/free improv after a few years, return to composing. Slowly work on 2nd Minus CD. Acquire a boomerang. Return to building my own electronics, slowly assemble modular synth and some effects. Spend too much time on the Internet. Write message to hip maillist explaining what got me where I am, leaving out too many important experiences, gigs, records, movies, books, yadda, yadda... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 03:20:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA12549; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:20:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:20:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901130811.AAA11711@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:11:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Dave Trenkel" at Jan 12, 99 11:24:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MUN0J1.0.r52.eJ5ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wow, Dave, your story sounds like the roadmap of my future. I'm a software engineer who tries to make time for my bass. Once I achieve my financial goals of paying off debts and saving up funds, I intend to go back to college to study composition, music technology, jazz studies, and even ethnic musics if possible. I too would like to explore the paradox of the "composer who improvises" using both bass and electronics. Hopefully I too will find my own "voice". Thanks for the post, Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 08:04:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA28120; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:04:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:04:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199901130431.UAA18066@grebe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:58:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: nicolas monguzzi Subject: Re: the CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"tVDMU2.0.ma5.OQ9ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, i've ordered mine and received Mastercard invoice on 16 december, but i haven't got any cd.... still waiting... ciao, nic >Yeah...I'm listening...sometimes! :-) Sales have been steady but not >staggering. The biggest problem has been slow delievery times thanks to the >holidays and the US Postal Service....up to a month in some cases!! > >Matt nicolas monguzzi music & graphic design 59 rue du maupas 1004 lausanne switzerland +41 21 646 5681 voice + fax mailto:nicomonguzzi@vtx.ch From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 08:13:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA31719; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:13:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:13:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <369C9A8F.28A7190E@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:07:28 +0100 From: Malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:???? Hello References: <199812250805.DAA28799@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ms5MC1.0.FZ6.4a9ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com No post since the 25th of december. Is it normal?? Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 09:59:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA16564; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:59:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:59:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901131448.JAA16162@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Re: Enough Already!! . . . "good" avant-garde music Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:48:19 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"P8x6_2.0.rY2.S7Bds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Jeff, please don't take this as "piling on", but I have to agree with > Stu Leibig. > > I don't mean to toot San Diego's horn too much and in fact admit that > finding good avant-garde here takes a bit of work. But's its not that hard > here, what with UCSD's music department and the folks associated with it. speaking of which.... Mike Keneally, great guitarist/keyboardist.. will be doing an 'avant-garde' CD and performance with a small group incl. Henry Kaiser... sometime soon in Berkeley CA.. he's also playing keys in a Steely Dan cover band ...check his site for info at http://www.moosenet.com (you'll find his link right there) avant garde lives!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 13:44:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA20752; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:44:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:44:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901131831.KAA13838@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: What got ya to where you are... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:31:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199901130811.AAA11711@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> from "Paolo Valladolid" at Jan 13, 99 00:11:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KWFVS3.0.6N3._OEds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry folks, I meant to email DT (Trenkle, that is) privately but forgot to change the To: header. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 14:18:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA03412; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:18:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:18:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901131912.LAA14116@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Enough Already!! . . . "good" avant-garde music To: andre@monmouth.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:12:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <199901131448.JAA16162@shell.monmouth.com> from "andre" at Jan 13, 99 09:48:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IWN9i1.0.L7.D_Eds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > speaking of which.... Mike Keneally, great guitarist/keyboardist.. will be > doing an 'avant-garde' CD and performance with a small group incl. Henry As I understand it, the SF/Oakland/Berkeley/etc/ Bay area in CA has a very healthy avante-garde scene. That's where Kaiser lives and plays... > Kaiser... sometime soon in Berkeley CA.. he's also playing keys in a Steely > Dan cover band ...check his site for info at http://www.moosenet.com The Steely Damned is a cover band made up of SD musicians. They pride themselves in reproducing the songs "just like the record" but give lead guitarist Hank Easton plenty of free reign to improvise his own solos. When I saw them play, Easton mostly used a 335 so he got that Larry Carlton tone that fit very well with the band. Keneally did most of the arranging for the horns and backup vocals. I'd like to see Mike sit in with the Steely Damned, but avante-guitarist GE Stinson and drummer Alex Cline are scheduled for an improv gig at Spruce Street Forum that same night. Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 15:21:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA32520; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:21:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:21:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005301be3f30$a7599a80$061cbfa8@0QHC6SIA> Reply-To: "Collins" From: "Collins" To: Subject: Re: Enough Already!! . . . "good" avant-garde music Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:09:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"mExt02.0.ck6.AtFds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> > You've got that one right. The only parts of the US that you can get good >> > avant-garde music is NYC. >> > Please allow me to rephrase that, i think i meant that it is one of the biggest known places for avant-garde music. John Zorn, E#, David Torn, John Cage, David Tudor, Morton Feldman, Ornette Coleman, those are a bunch of those who we speak of when talking about weird musics. So i guided my gaze to NY when i thought of that. I do know that SF is pretty good also. But normally when people think of avant-guarde music (the other people that really arent part of it) they generally think of NYC. I hope that can clear up a bit of our discussion. Thank you all for your time. Jeff Collins A Strange View of Music http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/1429/STRANGETONES.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 16:25:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA29581; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:25:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:25:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:11:17 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: JamMan RAM misunderstanding... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"e8GwF1.0.Uj5.PmGds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Below is an exact cut-and-paste copy of an e-mail I sent to the list a few days ago - please note that the lines beginning with << or > were ones cut from another e-mail that I was replying to: ------------------------------------------- << If anyone on the list is looking to upgrade the RAM in their JamMan, I might have a really cheap source for it. Last year I finally got around to trying to upgrade it and found that suppliers wanted outrageous prices. I found a RAM dealer that could get it pretty cheap but I had to buy a minimum of 100 chips. If there were enough folks interested, I'd consider buying the 100 chips and selling them to you at cost plus shipping. I think they had told me it was under $10.00 per chip. It is a 4 chip upgrade, so it would probably be under $40.00, plus shipping. So if there are 24 other folks out there interested in this, let me know. I'll check on pricing and availability again tomorrow. > I have no interest in making cash on this, just want to upgrade without getting ripped off. I got mine from http://www.visionsoft.com for $9.95 each + shipping. If they still have them this might save you a lot of hassle. They were very easy to deal with and very fast. Ken R ---------------------------- I have been contacted by six people now off-list that they wanted to join me on the goal of buying 100 - please note, this was someone else, not me - I recommend just calling Vision Soft and buying them for $9.95 apiece youself. You don't need a lot of people, they'll sell you a set of four for your own self alone for just under $40 plus shipping. Really - I got mine from them and they were very nice and very fast. Just tell them you're looking for the JamMan chips, they know exactly what you need. Here, I copied this directly from their web page: >Name: VisionSoft >Address: P.O. Box 4398, Carmel, CA 93921 U.S.A. >Phone Number: (408)626-2633 >Fax: (408)625-6588 >Email: sales@visionsoft.com >Homepage: http://www.visionsoft.com >Methods of Payment: VISA, Master Card, Discover, COD, Cash, Check or Money >Order >Shipping Carriers: Airborne Express, Federal Express, UPS & US Postal Service I have no stake in them doing any more business, other than they were very cool and helpful and I always like to see those sorts of folks do well... Since so many misunderstood me, I'll take the rap here and apologize for the confusion, but please note, if you're looking to join the "100 chip" purchase group, I'm not the guy to contact. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 17:00:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12856; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:00:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:00:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <26fbca90.369d157e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:51:58 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Geography...and San Diego Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"RGiYJ.0.7B2.OMHds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Jeff, please don't take this as "piling on", but I have to agree with >Stu Leibig. >I don't mean to toot San Diego's horn too much and in fact admit that >finding good avant-garde here takes a bit of work. But's its not that hard >here, what with UCSD's music department and the folks associated with it. >I get a decent dose of avant-garde at a place called Spruce Street Forum. >Just missed Stu's quartet there but did manage to see KRosser play with >Brad Dutz as well as other quality improv artists. Yes, Bonnie the director >relies on donations to pay folks from NYC to come down here, but she also >has performers from the West Coast, Canada, and, yes, even San Diego >play at the Forum. Well, I don't want to pile on the tooting of our own horns, but I'll be back at Spruce Street on Feb 20 with a group led by SF Bay Area tubist Tom Heasley and featuring myself on guitars & loops and Bobby Bradford on cornet. Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 18:12:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14457; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:12:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:12:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD0772089@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Enough Already!! . . . "good" avant-garde music Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:29:56 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"F1yz73.0.3q2.bRIds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'd like to see Mike sit in with the Steely Damned, but avante-guitarist > GE Stinson and drummer Alex Cline are scheduled for an improv gig at > Spruce Street Forum that same night. > ** well, the funny thing is that i'm listening to a pre-release copy of alex's new cd . . . all i can say is thatalex is a major mofo on the tubs, catch him if you can. looping content: ge uses a modified pcm42 for loopage. i haven't heard their duo yet, but it promises to be quite good. for those who care about such things, alex is nels' twin bro . . . poor mom and dad! stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 18:23:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA20055; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:23:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:23:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990113232116.21268.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:21:16 -0800 (PST) From: robert kolosowski Subject: sound cards To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"iHR9L.0.dE4.ycIds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After years of faithfull service my tape machines are not ..... So what sound cards & software are the go ? for a pentium box on NT 4.0. (although I could go to '95/98). == Robert Kolosowski Kolosoro@Yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 18:46:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA30343; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001c01be3f4e$25a01640$bbe328c3@gifford> Reply-To: "Gifford" From: "Gifford" To: Subject: Re: sound cards Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:40:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qrSJU2.0.9d6.ivIds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: robert kolosowski >After years of faithfull service my tape machines are not ..... >So what sound cards & software are the go ? >for a pentium box on NT 4.0. (although I could go to '95/98). 'Evening all, The software I use, and can recommend, are SAWse and Soundforge. The SAW (which is hidden away in Master Tracks Pro Audio) is useful for looping wave files. I am using the 4-track version at the moment. There is a 24-track version available but you need a minimum 64 MB RAM to use it. (I'm waiting to upgrade). I use the Soundforge for editing and mastering. I also have Wavelab, which was recommended to me but I haven't got to grips with it yet. Pete From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 13 22:54:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA06760; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:54:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:54:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369D6A3F.7936D1A7@boulder.quik.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:53:38 -0700 From: J- Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan RAM misunderstanding... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JWTRU1.0.Wy.JZMds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Dear Wanters of JamMan Ram, As Ken pointed out perhaps the link below for Visionsoft would be much easier than me trying to be a "store" and buying 100 chips. The price is about the same, so please check them out, I'm going to. The only reason I posted to see if there was any interest was because I kept getting prices like $100 for 4 chips. If Visionsoft has 'em for $40, lets get 'em there. feel free to contact me, not Ken with questions. Thanks, Jim Sincock lobo27@boulder.quik.com > > > >Name: VisionSoft > >Address: P.O. Box 4398, Carmel, CA 93921 U.S.A. > >Phone Number: (408)626-2633 > >Fax: (408)625-6588 > >Email: sales@visionsoft.com > >Homepage: http://www.visionsoft.com > >Methods of Payment: VISA, Master Card, Discover, COD, Cash, Check or Money > >Order > >Shipping Carriers: Airborne Express, Federal Express, UPS & US Postal Service > > I have no stake in them doing any more business, other than they were very > cool and helpful and I always like to see those sorts of folks do well... > > Since so many misunderstood me, I'll take the rap here and apologize for the > confusion, but please note, if you're looking to join the "100 chip" purchase > group, I'm not the guy to contact. > > Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 04:38:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA23067; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:38:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:38:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901140826.AAA17992@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Geography...and San Diego To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:26:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <26fbca90.369d157e@aol.com> from "KRosser414@aol.com" at Jan 13, 99 04:51:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5nr2E.0.T_4.BcRds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Well, I don't want to pile on the tooting of our own horns, but I'll be back > at Spruce Street on Feb 20 with a group led by SF Bay Area tubist Tom Heasley > and featuring myself on guitars & loops and Bobby Bradford on cornet. > > Ken R Cool. Then we'll actually have something to talk about this time. Just kidding! I just have this habit of letting musicians have their space... after I show, I see them packing away their gear and I always think that they just want to go home, so I leave 'em alone... Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 06:52:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA09925; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:52:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:52:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <17d361b.369dd898@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:44:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Geography...and San Diego Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"Qr_wh.0.sZ1.jXTds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com that is just the opposite of me. i love to harrass musicians when they are done with their show. ask them really innane things like who they thinks rocks harder jimmy page or ritchie blackmore. or ask them really dumb gear questions like what are those glowing things in the back of their amps called. silly, silly, silly, =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 12:28:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16730; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:28:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:28:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199901140826.AAA17992@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> References: <26fbca90.369d157e@aol.com> from "KRosser414@aol.com" at Jan 13, 99 04:51:58 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:19:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Geography...and San Diego Resent-Message-ID: <"bdY0E3.0.Ls2.qPYds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> Well, I don't want to pile on the tooting of our own horns, but I'll be back >> at Spruce Street on Feb 20 with a group led by SF Bay Area tubist Tom >>Heasley >> and featuring myself on guitars & loops and Bobby Bradford on cornet. >> >> Ken R > >Cool. Then we'll actually have something to talk about this time. > >Just kidding! I just have this habit of letting musicians have their >space... after I show, I see them packing away their gear and I always >think that they just want to go home, so I leave 'em alone... > >Paolo Sometimes it's great to hang though. 17 years ago I went to go see Oregon and after the show they were packing up and I started talking to Colin Walcott, just casually, without wanting to bug him, and we ended up talking for 45 minutes because he was so psyched to share his life and his ideas about music (and his stories about being the only sitar player in NYC with a union card,etc). After we finished I found out that he was the person slated to drive the van from Boston to Baltimore immediately after they loaded out. 2 years later he was killed in a van accident in Germany. I will always treasure the fact that he took time out of his busy schedule to hang out with me in the face of that huge drive. I have always tried to pass that feeling along (although I am no Colin Walcott.). Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 13:19:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA05487; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:19:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:19:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901141810.NAA14900@shell.monmouth.com> Reply-To: From: "andre" To: Subject: Tony Levin on tour AGAIN...! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:09:35 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oTbXz.0.XO.fBZds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey folks... grabbed this from Tony Levin's ever-cool diary page... some shows coming up, read on see the complete diary entry at http://www.papabear.com/tlev.htm andre' ROAD DIARY January 13 - New York City Happy New Year to all. I've been quiet on the road diary, not being sure what’s coming (hey, that's the rock biz!) but I've got some interesting developments. First, regarding the Liquid Tension Group, (Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, Jordan Rudess, and me) has finally booked our "January Tour" -- it’s only a handful of shows. Full details below, but the first is next week in NYC - the Bowery Ballroom, on Thurs, Jan. 21st. Then on the 22nd, back to Philly, the T.L.A. (where both the Bruford Levin group, and Dream Theater have already played in the last months.) We will play at the L.A. NAMM show, but it's an 'industry' concert, only for people with NAMM passes (that'd be about 1/3 of the planet earth) Anyway, that's called "Drums along the Biltmore" at that hotel, on Jan. 30th, and we'll be the last of many drum/oriented acts on the bill. I've heard we'll go on stage at 1am. On Feb. 1st we'll play a normal gig in L.A, at the Roxy. The new album is just being mixed, and I guess we'll play some material from that as well as the first. (I've got a lot of practicing to do. More notes on each one of those tracks than on a whole Peter Gabriel album!) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 13:55:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA20734; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:55:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:55:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990114184530.11978.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [207.94.66.242] From: "Matt Rowe" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EDP & cakewalk sync problems Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:45:29 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"g0WJ92.0.wx3.JiZds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi all, i've been syncing my edp to cakewalk via midi, with some degree of success. but i'm experiencing some drift. i'm looping within cakewalk (say 32 bars), and looping the edp (say 4 bars) within cakewalk's loop. the edp doesn't seem to want to stay sync'ed with cakewalk, and there is a disturbing amount of drift after only a few loops. in some cases, this is a good thing. but i'd like to have more control over it. so, any ideas on how to tighten up the phasing? is there a parameter in the edp that will allow it to continuously monitor midi time? would i be better off by sending a click to the edp's brothersync? if so, what types of sounds work best for this? btw, can i sync my vortex to cakewalk/edp this way too, via the tap tempo jack? tia, matt The price I pay for free, private email is the following commercial message... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 15:29:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA28979; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:29:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:29:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@annihilist.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990114184530.11978.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:49:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP & cakewalk sync problems Resent-Message-ID: <"lvFzg3.0.Lj4.Pvads"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >hi all, > >i've been syncing my edp to cakewalk via midi, with some degree of >success. but i'm experiencing some drift. > >i'm looping within cakewalk (say 32 bars), and looping the edp (say 4 >bars) within cakewalk's loop. the edp doesn't seem to want to stay >sync'ed with cakewalk, and there is a disturbing amount of drift after >only a few loops. in some cases, this is a good thing. but i'd like to >have more control over it. > >so, any ideas on how to tighten up the phasing? is there a parameter in >the edp that will allow it to continuously monitor midi time? It does continuously sync to midi clock, if you have Sync = In. You should see the far right decimal point flash on the display with each cycle when midi clock is present, and when the loop syncs it will also flash the second-from-the-right decimal point. Are you sure it's not cakewalk that's causing the problem? Some PC/sequencer combos are horribly inaccurate with clock timing. Also, make sure cakewalk is actually sending clock. (the dot flashing on the plex is a reasonable way to check.) The echoplex is pretty tolerant of drift, and will still try to sync even when the clock has changed by several BPM. >would i >be better off by sending a click to the edp's brothersync? if so, what >types of sounds work best for this? I think you are much better off with midi, even more precise actually, since the echoplex checks midi slightly more often. If you want to do this though, you would actually send the sound to the BeatSync jack, not brother. Any click or sharp percussion type sound would be fine. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 15:33:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA30752; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:33:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: Subject: RE: EDP & cakewalk sync problems Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:52:18 -0800 Message-ID: <001101be3ff7$6485e0c0$26ee8fd1@jelbizri.linkexchange.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990114184530.11978.qmail@hotmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Kwixx3.0.tx2.vfads"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > i'm looping within cakewalk (say 32 bars), and looping the edp (say 4 > bars) within cakewalk's loop. the edp doesn't seem to want to stay > sync'ed with cakewalk, and there is a disturbing amount of drift after > only a few loops. in some cases, this is a good thing. but i'd like to > have more control over it. > The loop mode within Cakewalk is not very good for this purpose. I think that you will find the same kinds of problems with other sequencers too though. You may find the only solution is to extend your playing section in the real sequence and sync/play to that. > so, any ideas on how to tighten up the phasing? is there a parameter in > the edp that will allow it to continuously monitor midi time? would i > be better off by sending a click to the edp's brothersync? if so, what > types of sounds work best for this? btw, can i sync my vortex to > cakewalk/edp this way too, via the tap tempo jack? > I've been thinking about the possibility of using an audio output from my computer to send a wav file emulating a pedal jack. Has anyone managed this? bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 16:01:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09848; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:01:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:01:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <551de652.369e5747@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:44:55 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: sound cards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"57tCC1.0.Xn.yTbds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Mr. Kolosowski, What type of hardware do you have in that wee beastie? Have you a SCSI platform or are you EIDE? For Hardware, I would recommend a Yamaha XG chipset soundcard like the SW1000 XG, ( http://www.yamaha.co.uk/xg/html/products/p_sw1k.htm ) if you want to check out the particuliars. Can't say that I was too impressed with the HDD recording side of it, but the sound quality and the cleanliness was rather impressive. On the HDD recording side on an NT box, I've found that ye olde combination of Cakewalk and Sound Forge were the way to go. If you switch over to Win95, check out the Paris system. ( http://www.paris.ensoniq.com ) It works a little better on the Mac, with the exception of how it caches VERY large chunks of memory. But if you can get it to work on a Win98 box (have yet to really get a stable kernel out of 98, to be honest) do it! My main gripe on the Win95 side is the 64MB barrier, whereas on a Win98 box this is "supposed" to be fixed, however I've been finding that the barrier therein is more like 256MB. Anywho, if you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them to me directly or back to the group. Have fun! Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 18:43:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA11891; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:43:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:43:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:34:07 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: sound cards Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 176 Resent-Message-ID: <"PDU5l1.0.dk2.r-dds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Event's Gina, 2 track in, 8 out +S/PDif, 20 bit 44.1 or 48 kHz with bundled multitrack software.RRP=A3499 UK they also do one called Layla which has 8 inputs & 10 outputs 2xS/PDif RRP=A3899 UK and Darla =A3299 2in 8 out www.event1.com to find out more Recommended (I use the Gina) ,better than 'CD quality'. If you want a Midi synth soundcard the Yamaha wavetable gear seems to be b= est quality, but all the sounds are not equally good as some of the samples s= ound like they recorded synth imitations. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 19:03:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA14829; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:03:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990114155927.01680a20@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:59:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: sound cards In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LrwBA.0.4Q3._Geds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone have any experience with the LynxOne (PC) yet? Digital IO, Analog IO, 2 MIDI ports and NT Drivers. They're at http://www.lynxstudio.com/products.html and got a great review at http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/LynxONE . The reviewers also have an interesting benchmark summary for comparing PC soundcards at http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/summary/index.htm . sean From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 20:02:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA23112; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:02:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:02:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901150057.QAA22324@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: NAMM (was Tony Levin on tour AGAIN...!) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:57:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Jan 14, 99 11:07:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_05aU3.0.RO5.V8fds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > BTW, if anyone is actually going, it would be fun to hook up, maybe have a > little get-together. let me know. > > kim I'll be there for at least 3 of the four days: Thursday to Saturday. My NAMM veteran friend says everyone usually leaves early on Sundays ( maybe to watch the Superbowl? )... I have a rough idea of what I want to look at... as far as looping gear goes I'd like to check out Yamaha's upcoming SU-700 sampler, a tabletop unit like the Ensoniq ASR-X, Roland SP-808, and Akai MPC2000 that reportedly has some internal similarities to the A3000 rackmount sampler as well as see other looping gear in person. Cheers, PAolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 20:48:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA28953; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:48:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:48:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369E9E2A.5A23555A@boulder.quik.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:47:24 -0700 From: J- Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Geography...and San Diego References: <17d361b.369dd898@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GNgnB1.0.4s6.xofds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > that is just the opposite of me. i love to harrass musicians when they are > done with their show. ask them really innane things like who they thinks rocks > harder jimmy page or ritchie blackmore. or ask them really dumb gear questions > like what are those glowing things in the back of their amps called. silly, > silly, silly, =-) PJ Then you'd love the SceneKillers (members of Couch Flambeau from Milwaukee) since that is what most of their songs are about, making fun of rock stars (as well as themselves). Old old shit tho. funny silly wacky stuff! J- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 20:54:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA01588; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:27:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:27:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199901141810.NAA14900@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:07:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: NAMM (was Tony Levin on tour AGAIN...!) Resent-Message-ID: <"L2guO.0.5H6.l0ads"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 10:09 AM -0800 1/14/99, andre wrote: >it's an 'industry' concert, only for people with NAMM passes (that'd be >about 1/3 of the planet earth) well, not this year - they restricted badges quite a lot. Companies without booths only get 4 badges, and then have to pay quite a bit for any additional ones. Spandex and silicone sightings are expected to be way down from previous years. BTW, if anyone is actually going, it would be fun to hook up, maybe have a little get-together. let me know. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 23:34:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA21867; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:34:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:34:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:29:27 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990113034433.006f89f8@blkbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: the CDs --> Liberate Music! Resent-Message-ID: <"aqvvE2.0.685.MFids"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mister McKnight wrote: >Why not just put it on an ftp site and create temporary accounts for buyers >so they >can get on there and download it to burn their own? Hey, that is a great idea! I got a CD burner a few months ago, and have been using it like a mad fool. I have been thinking about this very idea, which is, basically, to cut out the middle-men from the music industry: The artist sells directly to the consumer over the internet. 1. The manufacturing costs are gone. 2. The distribution costs are reduced - just server costs. 3. The artist gets ALL the profit. The consumer would benefit, as well, since the price of the product would surely drop with all the costs and middlemen cut out. I would even encourage artists to give their music away for FREE! [Of course, at this point in my life, I am still the consumer, and not the artist, so I may be biased here.] But here are some good arguments for doing this: 1. The artist's music will be exposed to more people (namely, all the people who wouldn't have paid money to experiment, but was willing to give a listen if it were free). 2. The artist can still make money selling PRODUCTS, (ie. cd's, tapes, t-shirts, etc.). After all, not everyone has cd burners, so there will still be a demand for material products. Personally, I feel good about giving money to artists whose work inspires me, so I would still buy products (as I do now) from those folks who I considered to be QUALITY. I would still download their music for free, but I would be inclined to support them by going to their shows, buying their actual cd's, t-shirts, etc. The way I see it, its a win-win for artists & consumers & the only ones who will lose with this scenario is the record companies and retail stores.....and I think I can live with that. (Besides, they can always merge with ISPs and become music servers). - chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 14 23:50:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA24183; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:50:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:50:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <004d01be4040$9f553a40$928fd6ce@#Vortex4.ix.netcom.com> From: "BLaKout" To: Subject: Looking for a JAM MAN Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:36:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01BE4016.B4FEACC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EetC5.0.Oi5.qVids"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BE4016.B4FEACC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey I am looking buy a JAM MAN. I would greatly appreciate it if some = one could direct me in the right direction if they know anyone or = anywhere is selling one. Thanks .. mike BLAKOUT@BIGFOOT.COM ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BE4016.B4FEACC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey I am looking buy a JAM MAN.  I would = greatly=20 appreciate it if some one could direct me in the right direction if they = know=20 anyone or anywhere is selling one.
 
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<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BE4016.B4FEACC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 00:10:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA27120; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:10:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:10:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990114230459.007b8100@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:04:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: the CDs --> Liberate Music! In-Reply-To: References: <2.2.32.19990113034433.006f89f8@blkbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4BRFs2.0.lM6.Gnids"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chris, You've hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what I've been doing for the past year and a half. I love it. I'm able to trade my music, sell it, give it away. Total control. A friend with a studio or your own home unit, a cd burner (mine's in the computer...) and a labelmaker kit . . . and you're ready to go. I've got my own CD and am about to release my trio's. So far, no one else will do it--so why the hell not, y'know? Saw yer laters, Jeff McLeod http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ At 08:29 PM 1/14/99 -0800, you wrote: >Hey, that is a great idea! I got a CD burner a few months ago, and have >been using it like a mad fool. I have been thinking about this very idea, >which is, basically, to cut out the middle-men from the music industry: >The artist sells directly to the consumer over the internet. > >1. The manufacturing costs are gone. >2. The distribution costs are reduced - just server costs. >3. The artist gets ALL the profit. > >The consumer would benefit, as well, since the price of the product would >surely drop with all the costs and middlemen cut out. > >I would even encourage artists to give their music away for FREE! [Of >course, at this point in my life, I am still the consumer, and not the >artist, so I may be biased here.] But here are some good arguments for >doing this: > >1. The artist's music will be exposed to more people (namely, all the >people who wouldn't have paid money to experiment, but was willing to give >a listen if it were free). > >2. The artist can still make money selling PRODUCTS, (ie. cd's, tapes, >t-shirts, etc.). After all, not everyone has cd burners, so there will >still be a demand for material products. > >Personally, I feel good about giving money to artists whose work inspires >me, so I would still buy products (as I do now) from those folks who I >considered to be QUALITY. I would still download their music for free, but >I would be inclined to support them by going to their shows, buying their >actual cd's, t-shirts, etc. The way I see it, its a win-win for artists & >consumers & the only ones who will lose with this scenario is the record >companies and retail stores.....and I think I can live with that. >(Besides, they can always merge with ISPs and become music servers). > >- chris From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 03:49:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA19805; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:49:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:49:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: KRosser414@aol.com Message-ID: <16614f6d.369efff4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 03:44:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #22 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"zYsEx2.0.Rb4.G_lds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 99-01-15 03:13:29 EST, you write: << that is just the opposite of me. i love to harrass musicians when they are done with their show. ask them really innane things like who they thinks rocks harder jimmy page or ritchie blackmore. >> Even though Richie Blackmore and I share the same birthday and there were a few Deep Purple records I wore out in the 70's, I vote for Jimmy. Is that the topic police I hear? Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 04:12:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA22121; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:12:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:12:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <369F0958.5EE@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:24:40 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the CDs --> Liberate Music! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VxUkm2.0.gF5.PKmds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I would even encourage artists to give their music away for FREE! [Of > course, at this point in my life, I am still the consumer, and not the > artist, so I may be biased here.] Hmmm. I realize most of the people on this list aren't actively making their living through playing music, and that even fewer are making their living playing their own music. I've got no problem with people who want to trade or give away their music out of sheer goodwill or the desire to have their music heard. However, here are some arguments for an artist actually charging a price for what they do. (Hopefully this won't utterly reek of a struggling musician complaining about his lot in life.) Making music takes time. Trying to make music in certain ways can take a *lot* of time. Just getting yourself to the point where you have the technical facility to realize that music (be it practicing a guitar or programming samples in a computer) can take a *very very* long time. Coming home from working eight hours in a "day job" and then trying to muster up the energy and concentration to do a few hours of serious practicing (not just vacant noodling in front of the TV) is a hugely draining proposition. So trying to turn one's music into one's profession is often born largely out of the need to set aside the necessary space in one's life to pursue their music the way they want to. Many people who are serious about music have spent countless hours throughout their entire lives trying to hone their craft. It's not just a case of idly sitting around thinking about how great it would be to get paid money to strum a few chords -- it's a very serious investment of discipline on many different levels. A lot of musicians still struggle to maintain that sort of dedication even while doing non-music related jobs in order to make ends meet. To suggest to someone in this position that they might better serve their creative muse by giving away music they have recorded in the name of liberating the creative spirit, and then subsidize the expenditure by selling *t-shirts* of themselves, is a dubious proposition to say the least. The idea of "alternative merchaindising" (t-shirts, posters, etc) works well for a name act which has a fixed identity, an existing fan base, and/or "product value". People buy shirts from these acts because they want to identify themselves as fans in public, and be recognized as fans by other people who are presumed to have a knowledge of the artist in question. In short, you can get a lot of milage out of wearing a Marilyn Manson T-shirt at a rock concert. You'll get about 1/1000th of a mile to the gallon wearing a "Joe Schmoe, Internet Loopist At Large" shirt when you check your e-mail. You're absolutely right that online marketing and distribution is going to completely change the way music is bought and sold, and you're right that it allows the artist to eliminate the middleman. For those very reasons, the idea that the artist should therefore start giving their music away through this sort of medium is a pretty unsympathetic point of view. Just about any band or artist web site nowadays has a page of sound bites online where people can download samples of the act's music. Posting excerpts is the ideal way to go, since it gives a listener a taste of what the band has to offer; at the same time, if someone wants the entire piece, they need to buy the recording. The artist's music is exposed to just as many people as it would be if it were given away online, but the artist isn't forfeiting their right to try and get a tangible return on a lifetime's worth of work -- to say nothing of a very real investment of finances in order to get the music recorded in the first place. If someone is actually taking the time and expense to record and mass-produce (or even burn individual CD-Rs) of their music, the least you can realistically expect is that they'll want to cover the cost of doing so. I realize that there are people (including some of you here) who will and do go further, and give away these items in the name of sharing your music. I sincerely applaud your approach, but I also fully empathize with those who want (let alone *need*) to see a return on their investment. My experience has been that the average person who buys records (or for that matter, many people who follow music seriously and are themselves musically active) don't really have the first clue as to what the realities of trying to make a living in the arts is really like, either in terms of the situational realities of the marketplace or in terms of the psychological realities that an artist in that situation is prone to dealing with on a day-to-day or minute-by-minute basis. So, for all those who have no doubt spent every bit as much time and dedication pursuing their music as has been detailed above, and are still perfectly happy to have music as a hobby, a side interest, or a lark, more power to you. But I'd like every person reading this to do one thing: Think about your favorite musicians and artists. Think about how their music has affected your lives. Think about the investment of time and resources that it must have taken for them to be able to bring these things into being. And then think about whether or not this music could realistically have come into being if they hadn't pursued music professionally. --Andre LaFosse http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 04:13:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA22197; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:13:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:13:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: the CDs --> Liberate Music! Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:06:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be4066$62855660$1cf0ffd0@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990114230459.007b8100@pop.mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"AWVot2.0.oD5.fJmds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We have been doing the same thing for the last 8 months, burn the cds at home, design the inserts at home, etc. And we sell em at shows. It has provided a significant source of income as well, makes it so we can buy more CD blanks, software, etc. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ > Chris, > You've hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what I've > been doing for > the past year and a half. I love it. I'm able to trade my music, sell it, > give it away. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 08:32:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA17652; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:32:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: NAMM (was Tony Levin on tour AGAIN...!) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:23:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"nmPY12.0.c34.k5qds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i'll be there, and i invite all LD folk to stop by booth S3137 (Davitt&Hanser) or s5225 (bc rich) to say hello. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: NAMM (was Tony Levin on tour AGAIN...!) > > At 10:09 AM -0800 1/14/99, andre wrote: > > >it's an 'industry' concert, only for people with NAMM passes (that'd > be > >about 1/3 of the planet earth) > > well, not this year - they restricted badges quite a lot. Companies > without > booths only get 4 badges, and then have to pay quite a bit for any > additional ones. Spandex and silicone sightings are expected to be way > down > from previous years. > > BTW, if anyone is actually going, it would be fun to hook up, maybe > have a > little get-together. let me know. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 09:37:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA25821; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:37:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:37:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990115142625.28889.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:26:25 -0800 (PST) From: H IP Subject: Re: EDP & cakewalk sync problems To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"4oeC-3.0.Bu5.Czqds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm having the same problem. It happens both on my PII 400Hz PC using Cubase and 7100 Mac using Logic Audio. Mr. Kim Flint has helped to reply that it shouldn't be the problem on EDP. I think there may be problem on the steadiness of MIDI clock generated by some PC/Mac. I found same problem when I using MIDI clock to sync the appregiator on my Nord Lead. However, it works perfectly normal for MIDI notes and other data. Assumming EDP is perfect in sync (I have the version 5.0), it may be the problem on PC/Mac. It drives me a bit crazy :( Once I used a DR-5 drum machine to MIDI sync EDP, it has no problem. I'll borrow a MC-303 to see if it works (it should, I think) Also, I used a little DB-12 (Boss Metrome) to brother sync the EDP, it works perfectly! I used a Y-cable to a headphone amp and let my drummer to listen to the beat. It's fun and working. HIP ---Matt Rowe wrote: > > hi all, > > i've been syncing my edp to cakewalk via midi, with some degree of > success. but i'm experiencing some drift. > .... > so, any ideas on how to tighten up the phasing? is there a parameter in > the edp that will allow it to continuously monitor midi time? would i > be better off by sending a click to the edp's brothersync? if so, what > types of sounds work best for this? btw, can i sync my vortex to > cakewalk/edp this way too, via the tap tempo jack? > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 10:52:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA04467; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:52:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:52:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:36:25 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199901151536.KAA19643@badboy.micro.lucent.com> Content-Type: text Apparently-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"mru7Z1.0.gV.l0sds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #97 January 14, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on electronic music pioneer, Wendy Carlos. For background information, please point your web browser to the WDIY web site or visit the... Wendy Carlos web site: http://www.wendycarlos.com The feature CD at midnight was "Digital Moonscapes" on CBS Masterworks. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Synergy (Larry Fast) Orbit Five Audion (Third Eye) Synergy (Larry Fast) Revolt at L-5 Audion (Third Eye) RAMP Annular Nodular (Manikin) DwellerAtTheThreshold Transmission (parts 1-5) DwellerAtTheThreshold (Eurock) Syndromeda The Man of God The Legacy of GOD (Groove) Elemental Le Charme Lux Aeternae (Aethyr) VA [TelekineticSoulmate] Searching Defective Soundscapes (Defective) Lambert Atmosdepth VII Inside Out (Spheric) Bionaut Faulty Star Charts Big Causeway To Gone (Triptych) 12:00 am Wendy Carlos Genesis Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Eden Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos I.C. Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Luna Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Phobos and Deimos Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Gannymede Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Europa Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Io Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Callisto Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Rhea Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Titan Digital Moonscapes (CBS) Wendy Carlos Iapetus Digital Moonscapes (CBS) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will continue the month-long focus on electronic music pioneer, Wendy Carlos. The feature CD at midnight will be "A Clockwork Orange" on the East Side Digital label. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 13:44:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04712; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:44:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:44:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF66@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: taptalk@progrock.net, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: seeking seattle area loopers and tappers Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:20:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"nLBrh.0.T2.iQuds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Folks, i'm seeking Stick and/or Warr Guitar players, and Loopists who * have a strong need for Music to be present in their lives; * live in the Seattle area; * would be interested in participating in a project that integrates * mathematics, * music theory and * traditional African and Afro-Haitian rhythms; * are comfortable with an approach that combines intellect and emotion. Those interested should feel free to contact me via the email address in this missive or at 425 703 9348. --greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 14:22:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11017; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:22:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:22:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <3dce67ec.369f91d5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:07:01 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: a few thoughts Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"CbgdE3.0.032.c7vds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ill take all the "free" music i can get but i am willing to pay for someones work....i work several jobs and have a family that has to put up with my spending every free moment, trying to create music...."wheres dad?"....."oh, cant you hear him!!!!"....."turn that down (we are trying to sleep, your driving us crazy".....i have always assumed that my familys artistic vision is the same as mine.......not so......i am nowhere near the point of making my own c.d.s.......i still use cassettes, and am quite happy with the results......andre is right, there really is no such thing as "free" music....there is always a cost, be it money for equipment, time, effort, and at times alienation of loved ones.....i would love to send everyone on the list a cassette of my top hits, just to get some feedback from "like minded spirits" rather than "i might understand this music if i were trippin!" and this comment from someone who has never tripped....yipes!.....an interesting question to say the least...the creation of music does not happen in a void......as i said, just a few thoughts......michael p.s. after the ice melts here in pittsburgh, i am going to look at a venue (an old ball-room on a 2 acre estate here in town, seating for about 80-100, sounds like a very nice performance space and i am also going to check out the possibility of taking over a bed and breakfast so out of towners will have a place to sleep, my house is not big enough.....i sort of envision a 2 day looper workshop, performance type thing if we pull off this north east looper get together.....facts and figures will be forthcoming......if anyone else is working on this project, please let me know, other cities other ideas are all welcome.....ive never done this sort of thing before so im working with only my own warped ideas........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 15:29:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA21401; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:29:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:29:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <369F3FC3.97942023@csi.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:16:51 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: AW: What got ya to where you are... References: <01BE3E54.E899EF90.mpeters@csi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RxLGB2.0.UL4.kzvds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'll second that! But I've long lost my copy - is it available on CD? Thanks, rob -the man cable- Michael Peters schrieb: > > Morgan Fisher wrote, > > > I've been lurking long enough - and what an active list this is - amazing! > > cool to have you on the list. Miniatures used to be one of my favourite albums... it's still worth listening to! > > * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com > * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music > * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors > * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 15:35:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA22519; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990115201959.17092.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.26.9.142] From: "Corban L" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: seeking seattle area loopers and tappers Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:19:58 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"0mugv1.0.sv4.tAwds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > >i'm seeking Stick and/or Warr Guitar players, and Loopists who > >* have a strong need for Music to be present in their lives; >* live in the Seattle area; >* would be interested in participating in a project that integrates >* mathematics, >* music theory and >* traditional African and Afro-Haitian rhythms; >* are comfortable with an approach that combines intellect and >emotion. > Hey-- I'm in Portland, but possibly moving back to Seattle this year-- Oddly enough, I left because I couldn't find any suitably interesting music projects to involve myself with while I was there... It would be nice to hear more about your plans, if youlike. Corban 503-242-2576 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 15 21:41:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07077; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:41:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:41:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <005801be40f7$01938f20$bbe328c3@gifford> Reply-To: "Gifford" From: "Gifford" To: Subject: Re: AW: What got ya to where you are... Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:21:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HEy5v1.0.771.mS_ds"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -----Original Message----- From: Cummings >I'll second that! >But I've long lost my copy - is it available on CD? >> cool to have you on the list. Miniatures used to be one of my favourite albums... it's still worth listening to! I'll third that! Is it available? Pete. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 06:06:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA31243; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:06:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:06:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:58:25 +0900 (JST) X-Sender: morgan@popmail.gol.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199901160807.DAA15181@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Morgan Fisher Subject: Re: the CDs --> Liberate Music! Resent-Message-ID: <"utEId3.0.2Q7.-17es"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'd just like to say that Andre LaFosse's message was one of the most well-thought out, articulate and caring messages I've read online in a long time. Kudos to you, sir! Morgan Fisher >From Morgan Fisher, Tokyo, Japan Email address: morgan@gol.com Second email address: Morgan_Fisher@ringo.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 06:16:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA31979; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:16:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:16:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:58:22 +0900 (JST) X-Sender: morgan@popmail.gol.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Morgan Fisher Subject: Miniatures Resent-Message-ID: <"9zsNk.0.lP7.z17es"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks Pete and Rob for your interest. Here's info re the company wo have re-issued "Miniatures" on CD (catalogue number VP159CD): VOICEPRINT RECORDS TEL: 44-191-512-1103 FAX: 1104 SUNRISE HOUSE, GAS HOUSE LANE, HOUGHTON-LE-SPRING, CO. DURHAM DH4 5AL, ENGLA= ND http://www.webworlds.co.uk/the-wilderness OR: http://www.voiceprint.co.uk Credit Card Hotline: 44-191-512-1109 Various online CD sellers have it too, and also here is a distributor in Canada: PAGE MUSIC 416-383-0808 FAX 416-383-0303 20 Railside Road, North York, Ontario, Canada M3A 1A3 http://www.pagemusic.com I am just finishing the sequel (60 artists this time!) - no release date set yet. =46ollowing is the list of artists on the 1980 album. Cheers! Loop on! Morgan Fisher BAND 1 01. OLLIE HALSALL & JOHN HALSEY 02. THE RESIDENTS 03. ROGER McGOUGH 04. MORGAN FISHER 05. JOHN OTWAY BAND 2 06. PETE CHALLIS & PHIL DIPLOCK 07. ROBERT WYATT 08. STINKY WINKLES 09. MARY LONGFORD 10. ANDY 'THUNDERCLAP' NEWMAN 11. DAVID BEDFORD BAND 3 12. FRED FRITH 13. MAGGIE NICOLS 14. JOSEPH RACAILLE 15. THE WORK 16. NEIL INNES & SON BAND 4 17. HERBERT DISTEL 18. LOL COXHILL 19. KEN ELLIS 20. STEVE MILLER BAND 5 21. NORMAN LOVETT 22. PATRICK PORTELLA 23. GEORGE MELLY 24. ROBERT FRIPP 25. ANDY PARTRIDGE (XTC) 26. PHANTOM CAPTAIN BAND 6 27. RON GEESIN 28. ALEJANDRO VI=D1AO 29. QUENTIN CRISP 30. SIMON DESORGHER 31. RALPH STEADMAN 32. R.D.LAING & SON BAND 7 33. TREVOR WISHART 34. JOHN WHITE 35. IVOR CUTLER 36. HECTOR ZAZOU 37. MICHAEL BASS & ELLEN TENENBAUM BAND 8 38. MARTIN CHAMBERS (THE PRETENDERS) 39. BOB COBBING & HENRI CHOPIN 40. DAVE VANIAN (THE DAMNED) 41. METABOLIST BAND 9 42. GAVIN BRYARS 43. 1/2 JAPANESE 44. SIMON JEFFES 45. MARK PERRY 46. MICHAEL NYMAN BAND 10 47. DAVID CUNNINGHAM (THE FLYING LIZARDS) 48. KEVIN COYNE 49. ETRON FOU LELOUBLAN 50. NEIL ORAM & KEN CAMPBELL & THE SCIENCE FICTION THEATRE OF LIVERPOOL 51. PETE SEEGER =46rom Morgan Fisher, Tokyo, Japan Email address: morgan@gol.com Second email address: Morgan_Fisher@ringo.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 12:55:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA31121; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:55:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:55:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:33:24 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <369F0958.5EE@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: the CDs --> Liberate Music! Resent-Message-ID: <"h2QHL2.0.y27.IqCes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You've made some good points, Andre. Since I've made the choice about making my living in another field, and making music simply for joy, I didn't consider the point of view that people are trying to make a living at this stuff. I am sure you are right that most musicians (who make their living from music) cannot afford to give their music away, as they have invested a lot and are depending on their craft. It would be like me giving away technical consutling time for free. Everyone needs to answer for themselves: Why am I making music? If part of the answer is "to make a living" then I can see that you have to to do what you have to do. However, if there are folks out there who are doing what they do simply because they love to do it, (ie. they don't financially depend on it), perhaps they would be more willing to share their music for free. I wonder what percentage of musicians they are...? probably small... You are right about our favorite artists: Pink Floyd did not get to where they are because they considered themselves pure artists -- they were in a business to sell records and worked hard at doing that. They invested money and used the returns to invest more money. Otherwise, they'd still only be playing in London clubs. Thanks for you clear thoughts, Andre! - Chris >> I would even encourage artists to give their music away for FREE! [Of >> course, at this point in my life, I am still the consumer, and not the >> artist, so I may be biased here.] > >Hmmm. > >I realize most of the people on this list aren't actively making their >living through playing music, and that even fewer are making their >living playing their own music. I've got no problem with people who >want to trade or give away their music out of sheer goodwill or the >desire to have their music heard. > >However, here are some arguments for an artist actually charging a price >for what they do. (Hopefully this won't utterly reek of a struggling >musician complaining about his lot in life.) > >Making music takes time. Trying to make music in certain ways can take >a *lot* of time. Just getting yourself to the point where you have the >technical facility to realize that music (be it practicing a guitar or >programming samples in a computer) can take a *very very* long time. >Coming home from working eight hours in a "day job" and then trying to >muster up the energy and concentration to do a few hours of serious >practicing (not just vacant noodling in front of the TV) is a hugely >draining proposition. > >So trying to turn one's music into one's profession is often born >largely out of the need to set aside the necessary space in one's life >to pursue their music the way they want to. > >Many people who are serious about music have spent countless hours >throughout their entire lives trying to hone their craft. It's not just >a case of idly sitting around thinking about how great it would be to >get paid money to strum a few chords -- it's a very serious investment >of discipline on many different levels. A lot of musicians still >struggle to maintain that sort of dedication even while doing non-music >related jobs in order to make ends meet. To suggest to someone in this >position that they might better serve their creative muse by giving away >music they have recorded in the name of liberating the creative spirit, >and then subsidize the expenditure by selling *t-shirts* of themselves, >is a dubious proposition to say the least. > >The idea of "alternative merchaindising" (t-shirts, posters, etc) works >well for a name act which has a fixed identity, an existing fan base, >and/or "product value". People buy shirts from these acts because they >want to identify themselves as fans in public, and be recognized as fans >by other people who are presumed to have a knowledge of the artist in >question. In short, you can get a lot of milage out of wearing a >Marilyn Manson T-shirt at a rock concert. You'll get about 1/1000th of >a mile to the gallon wearing a "Joe Schmoe, Internet Loopist At Large" >shirt when you check your e-mail. > >You're absolutely right that online marketing and distribution is going >to completely change the way music is bought and sold, and you're right >that it allows the artist to eliminate the middleman. For those very >reasons, the idea that the artist should therefore start giving their >music away through this sort of medium is a pretty unsympathetic point >of view. > >Just about any band or artist web site nowadays has a page of sound >bites online where people can download samples of the act's music. >Posting excerpts is the ideal way to go, since it gives a listener a >taste of what the band has to offer; at the same time, if someone wants >the entire piece, they need to buy the recording. The artist's music is >exposed to just as many people as it would be if it were given away >online, but the artist isn't forfeiting their right to try and get a >tangible return on a lifetime's worth of work -- to say nothing of a >very real investment of finances in order to get the music recorded in >the first place. > >If someone is actually taking the time and expense to record and >mass-produce (or even burn individual CD-Rs) of their music, the least >you can realistically expect is that they'll want to cover the cost of >doing so. I realize that there are people (including some of you here) >who will and do go further, and give away these items in the name of >sharing your music. I sincerely applaud your approach, but I also fully >empathize with those who want (let alone *need*) to see a return on >their investment. > >My experience has been that the average person who buys records (or for >that matter, many people who follow music seriously and are themselves >musically active) don't really have the first clue as to what the >realities of trying to make a living in the arts is really like, either >in terms of the situational realities of the marketplace or in terms of >the psychological realities that an artist in that situation is prone to >dealing with on a day-to-day or minute-by-minute basis. > >So, for all those who have no doubt spent every bit as much time and >dedication pursuing their music as has been detailed above, and are >still perfectly happy to have music as a hobby, a side interest, or a >lark, more power to you. > >But I'd like every person reading this to do one thing: Think about your >favorite musicians and artists. Think about how their music has >affected your lives. Think about the investment of time and resources >that it must have taken for them to be able to bring these things into >being. > >And then think about whether or not this music could realistically have >come into being if they hadn't pursued music professionally. > >--Andre LaFosse >http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 14:53:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11597; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:53:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:53:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901161941.TAA02178@mailhost.dircon.co.uk> From: "Tim Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:40:52 Reply-To: "Tim Walker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Miniatures on CD Resent-Message-ID: <"de1cN1.0.1Y2.diEes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Previously on Looper's Delight, Rob wrote: "I'll second that! But I've long lost my copy - is it available on CD?" ...in response to Michael Peters' posting: --- Michael Peters schrieb: > > Morgan Fisher wrote, > > > I've been lurking long enough - and what an active list this is - amazing! > > cool to have you on the list. Miniatures used to be one of my favourite albums... it's still worth listening to! I agree too. "Miniatures" certainly is available on CD, at least in the UK, where it's on the Blueprint label as cat. no. BP159. I'm not sure about the US or elsewhere, so you may have to try CDNow or that sort of place to check availability. It's a fine album, notable amongst other things for perhaps the only solo synthesiser piece Robert Fripp has released (if you don't count his more recent guitar synth-laden recordings), and a very wide range of musical styles from warped music hall to full-bore improv. All in minute-sized chunks :-) Hope that's useful... Best wishes, Tim. *******************Tim Walker - Staines, UK******************* tawalker@dircon.co.uk - www.users.dircon.co.uk/~tawalker/ Visit Tim's NEW recordings page at MP3.com: *********************www.mp3.com/timwalker/******************* From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 14:57:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA12222; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:57:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:57:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A0EDFB.B59F3B4A@stic.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:52:27 -0600 From: "James H. Sidlo" Organization: James H. 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Thanks, Chuck F At 06:23 PM 1/13/99 -0600, you wrote: > >Return-Path: >Received: from rosy.yourwebhost.com ([209.239.39.1]) by VOLTAIRE.stic.net > (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-57481U13000L8500S0V35) > with ESMTP id net for ; > Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:35:50 -0600 >Received: (from kflint@localhost) > by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) > id OAA17198 for jameshsidlo@stic.net; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:19 -0500 >Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:34:19 -0500 >From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Message-Id: <199901101934.OAA17198@rosy.yourwebhost.com> >X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f >To: jameshsidlo@stic.net >Subject: You have been removed from the list >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com (bounce) >X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Precedence: junk > >Your mail address jameshsidlo@stic.net has been removed >from the Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com mailinglist. >It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails. > >Before sending in a subscription request to >Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com again, please ensure that >this problem has been resolved. When in doubt, ask your system >administrator or send mail to "postmaster". > >The last one of those bounced mails has been quoted below: >>From Sun Jan 10 14:33:57 1999 >>Received: from hornet.fibr.net (hornet.fibr.net [204.57.66.12]) >> by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP >> id OAA16942 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:33:57 -0500 >>Received: from localhost (localhost) >> by hornet.fibr.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with internal id NNK19597; >> Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:35:24 -0600 >>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:35:24 -0600 >>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem >>Message-Id: <199901101935.NNK19597@hornet.fibr.net> >>To: >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; >> boundary="NNK19597.915996924/hornet.fibr.net" >>Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message within 5 days >>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) >> >>This is a MIME-encapsulated message >> >>--NNK19597.915996924/hornet.fibr.net >> >>The original message was received at Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:22:25 -0600 >>from rosy.yourwebhost.com [209.239.39.1] >> >> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- >> >> >> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>... 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Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Resent-Message-ID: <"i2Mrr.0.xq.hDIes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > I would even encourage artists to give their music away for FREE! [Of > > course, at this point in my life, I am still the consumer, and not the > > artist, so I may be biased here.] > Hmmm. > I realize most of the people on this list aren't actively making their > living through playing music, and that even fewer are making their > living playing their own music. I've got no problem with people who > want to trade or give away their music out of sheer goodwill or the > desire to have their music heard. > However, here are some arguments for an artist actually charging a price > for what they do. (Hopefully this won't utterly reek of a struggling > musician complaining about his lot in life.) Well, Andre goes on here to say a number of things that hit the nail on the head, but I'm going to go a few steps further than his paragraph above. The notion that someone's music is somehow a part of the ether that is freely available to anyone who wants it, like freedom or love or the air you breathe is patently absurd. My personal take on this is that it's based on the myth that because artists supposedly love what they do so much it's somehow not fair for them to be negotiating compensation for it, that they should somehow be so grateful for that priviledge that just the mere reception of an audience is payment enough. That's really pretty naive. When's the last time YOU were so generous with the means by which you pay your rent and feed your kids? When's the last time you were told that trying to negotiate more money for those means, or taking on a task you'd rather not do, was a compromise of your personal integrity? Believe it or not, I've had club owners ask me to get some of the best freelance jazz musicians in LA for gigs and then say they were only offering $30 a person because they were extending us a forum to "have fun". Or, I've had the parents of the bride ask the wedding band to play an additional hour beyond the contracted time, without additional pay, because "everyone's enjoying your music so much". When's the last time you got a plumber to fix an extra pipe for nothing because you appreciated him so much? When's the last time you got your mechanic to "have fun" fixing your brakes for $30? Make no mistake, under the best circumstances I love doing it for a living, but there are many drawbacks. I don't get paid sick days. Health insurance, even through the union, is prohibitively expensive (fortunately my wife has a job that allows me to be on hers fairly inexpensively). I have no recorse against 90% of my gigs or students that decide to cancel at the last minute. Let's not even get into what creditors think of you... And no, I don't expect to see a huge proliferation of "Joe Schmoe, Internet Looper At Large" T-shirts on the street in the near future... Hmmm...I wonder if this can work both ways? I wonder if someone could send me an EDP, a nice 4-track digital home demo set-up, or a Blonde Butterscotch '52 Reissue Telecaster if I promise to have fun with them? Nothing too extravigant, mind you... Ken R From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 19:26:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA08314; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:26:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:26:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A0BCB2.68A9@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:22:10 +0000 From: Colin Jenkinson Reply-To: jeancolin@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: seeking seattle area loopers and tappers References: <199901162017.OAA04048@supermail.globaldialog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v7Ks12.0.Nq1.lnIes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com If you like ambient Stick check out my CD 'Expience Cloud'. Available for trade or sale($15). I will be performing at Stick Night in Los Angeles at La Va Lee, on Thursday,January 28. Starts at 8pm line up will include: Don Schiff Greg Howard Bob Culbertson Tom Griesgraber Casey Arrillaga I will be performing Loops on my Stick with the contrapuntal Stickist Randy Graetch. Colin Jenkinson | nosnikneJ niloC From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 20:14:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA13097; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:14:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:14:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF71@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: the CDs --> Liberate Music! Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:06:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"4Tr3C1.0.t03.qTJes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Andre, Well-said. i often imagine a world where some of my favorite musicians made different choices. Steve Reich could have become an academic philosopher. Eno could have become a chemist. Robert Fripp could have become an engineer. My world would have been infinitely bleaker had these people made other choices. Because of this sense of enrichment, i am glad to support, directly and fiscally, the musicians whose work i consume. On the other hand, mass distribution of music has been a horrible thing. Over and above the effects you describe in which people become alienated from the real energy and effort involved in the production of music, there is the environmental impact. Even if what i had to communicate musically had wide appeal, which i sincerely doubt, the image of a warehouse full of CD's and cassette tapes with my name on them-no chance of them gracefully bio-degrading for the next 10,000 years-gives me the shivers. i can barely face up to the consequences of the plastic i do consume, much less handle the responsibility for bringing so much more into the world. i relish participating in the emergence of a vehicle like the Internet by which i can learn about people who produce musics i enjoy and which allows me to support them more directly. When i think about a future in which that music can be distributed more directly from producer to audience with much less environmental impact, i feel a distinct sense of hope. On a completely different note, i was wondering if any of you loopists have been exploring yet another natural extension of looping: playing the loops by hand in an ensemble setting? Over the 11 years i've been looping i've gradually gotten interested in longer and longer loops. And i've been exploring layering loops of different cycle lengths to produce still longer loops. i've also gotten more interested in the human feel that arises when a group finds its natural tempo. (E.g., what one experiences in a drum circle.) Has anyone been experimenting with this sort of thing? i'd be especially interested to hear of other's experiences in this kind of setting. Additionally, if anyone has developed useful techniques for maintaining/splitting attention while playing long, hypnotic loops, i'd really like to hear about them. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [SMTP:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 1:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the CDs --> Liberate Music! > I would even encourage artists to give their music away for FREE! [Of > course, at this point in my life, I am still the consumer, and not the > artist, so I may be biased here.] Hmmm. I realize most of the people on this list aren't actively making their living through playing music, and that even fewer are making their living playing their own music. I've got no problem with people who want to trade or give away their music out of sheer goodwill or the desire to have their music heard. However, here are some arguments for an artist actually charging a price for what they do. (Hopefully this won't utterly reek of a struggling musician complaining about his lot in life.) Making music takes time. Trying to make music in certain ways can take a *lot* of time. Just getting yourself to the point where you have the technical facility to realize that music (be it practicing a guitar or programming samples in a computer) can take a *very very* long time. Coming home from working eight hours in a "day job" and then trying to muster up the energy and concentration to do a few hours of serious practicing (not just vacant noodling in front of the TV) is a hugely draining proposition. So trying to turn one's music into one's profession is often born largely out of the need to set aside the necessary space in one's life to pursue their music the way they want to. Many people who are serious about music have spent countless hours throughout their entire lives trying to hone their craft. It's not just a case of idly sitting around thinking about how great it would be to get paid money to strum a few chords -- it's a very serious investment of discipline on many different levels. A lot of musicians still struggle to maintain that sort of dedication even while doing non-music related jobs in order to make ends meet. To suggest to someone in this position that they might better serve their creative muse by giving away music they have recorded in the name of liberating the creative spirit, and then subsidize the expenditure by selling *t-shirts* of themselves, is a dubious proposition to say the least. The idea of "alternative merchaindising" (t-shirts, posters, etc) works well for a name act which has a fixed identity, an existing fan base, and/or "product value". People buy shirts from these acts because they want to identify themselves as fans in public, and be recognized as fans by other people who are presumed to have a knowledge of the artist in question. In short, you can get a lot of milage out of wearing a Marilyn Manson T-shirt at a rock concert. You'll get about 1/1000th of a mile to the gallon wearing a "Joe Schmoe, Internet Loopist At Large" shirt when you check your e-mail. You're absolutely right that online marketing and distribution is going to completely change the way music is bought and sold, and you're right that it allows the artist to eliminate the middleman. For those very reasons, the idea that the artist should therefore start giving their music away through this sort of medium is a pretty unsympathetic point of view. Just about any band or artist web site nowadays has a page of sound bites online where people can download samples of the act's music. Posting excerpts is the ideal way to go, since it gives a listener a taste of what the band has to offer; at the same time, if someone wants the entire piece, they need to buy the recording. The artist's music is exposed to just as many people as it would be if it were given away online, but the artist isn't forfeiting their right to try and get a tangible return on a lifetime's worth of work -- to say nothing of a very real investment of finances in order to get the music recorded in the first place. If someone is actually taking the time and expense to record and mass-produce (or even burn individual CD-Rs) of their music, the least you can realistically expect is that they'll want to cover the cost of doing so. I realize that there are people (including some of you here) who will and do go further, and give away these items in the name of sharing your music. I sincerely applaud your approach, but I also fully empathize with those who want (let alone *need*) to see a return on their investment. My experience has been that the average person who buys records (or for that matter, many people who follow music seriously and are themselves musically active) don't really have the first clue as to what the realities of trying to make a living in the arts is really like, either in terms of the situational realities of the marketplace or in terms of the psychological realities that an artist in that situation is prone to dealing with on a day-to-day or minute-by-minute basis. So, for all those who have no doubt spent every bit as much time and dedication pursuing their music as has been detailed above, and are still perfectly happy to have music as a hobby, a side interest, or a lark, more power to you. But I'd like every person reading this to do one thing: Think about your favorite musicians and artists. Think about how their music has affected your lives. Think about the investment of time and resources that it must have taken for them to be able to bring these things into being. And then think about whether or not this music could realistically have come into being if they hadn't pursued music professionally. --Andre LaFosse http://home.earthlink.net/~altruist From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 20:28:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14896; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:28:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:28:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: roland ms1 memory Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:20:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"dJc-q2.0.dQ3.thJes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've read a lot of discussion concerning samplers but never has anyone mentioned the one I use which is a MS1 by Roland. I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience with this unit and what tircks or uses they've discovered. also do you know a inexpensive place to buy the compact flash memory cards. tq From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 20:38:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA16128; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:38:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:38:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:29:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wzZ27.0.3k3.ArJes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com jammanners and others (if this applies) I have an ever changing song called 32 seconds (it used to be called 8 seconds) that just happened one time when i failed to set the echo by the pressing the tap the second time. for the most part this song is spoken word, & noises. My band & i will have our vocal & instrument mics within the jamman's effect loops. after a while this thing will build and build and build. it's a great live perfomance it you have mics in the audience. Very john Cage like. just curious to see if anyone else has done this? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 22:00:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24959; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:00:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:00:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <1e999e40.36a1505e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:52:14 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: roland ms1 memory Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"N3mu12.0.Bm5.f0Les"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/16/99 7:29:54 PM Central Standard Time, tquincy@davitt- hanser.com writes: << I've read a lot of discussion concerning samplers but never has anyone mentioned the one I use which is a MS1 by Roland. I'm curious to know if anyone has had any experience with this unit and what tircks or uses they've discovered. also do you know a inexpensive place to buy the compact flash memory cards. tq >> I had a Roland MS-1. I bought a 20 meg Ram Card from 'Santech' online. Worked great. It was my "in the field" digital recorder for trains, jets, birds, etc. as well as a nifty little phrase sampler. Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 22:26:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA28083; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:26:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:26:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <8bdad57.36a156e3@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:20:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Liberate Music!...Andre and Henry James Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"fWOi31.0.af6.yQLes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com A favorite quote from a story called The Middle Years by Henry James. I thought of it after reading Andre's thoughtful post about money and art. "We work in the dark -- we do what we can -- we give what we have. Our doubt is our passion and our passion is our task. The rest is the madness of art." Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 16 23:03:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA32196; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 23:03:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 23:03:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A160EE.81CBE313@boulder.quik.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:02:58 -0700 From: J- Reply-To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: a few other thoughts References: <3dce67ec.369f91d5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5w4xC.0.8f7.zzLes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "The trouble with avant garde music is that it has lost its original meaning and now has as many rules and clichés as country or rock & roll. If in 50 years time they will look back at the early 1980s, or whenever, and say that was the new avant garde era, that event must be avoided if we are to remain true" -William Bennett (Whitehouse) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 06:13:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA03979; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:13:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:13:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MrBERWELL@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 06:06:40 EST To: lobo27@boulder.quik.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a few other thoughts- no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"xRF8q2.0.Hs.sGSes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/16/99 11:05:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, lobo27@boulder.quik.com writes: > "The trouble with avant garde music is that it has lost its original > meaning and > now has as many rules and clich=E9s as country or rock & roll. If in 50 > years > time they will look back at the early 1980s, or whenever, and say that > was the > new avant garde era, that event must be avoided if we are to remain > true" I don't get this statement... what was the original meaning? There is gre= at music being done right now that is devoid of any cliches or rules... if yo= u dont wanna call it avant-garde, then call it something else. I'm sure the musicians won't care what you call it! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 11:35:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA29420; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:35:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:35:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: Hi-Fi Bugs Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:10:10 -0500 Message-ID: <01be4233$db8f00a0$LocalHost@chester> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4209.F2B8F8A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"PABzl3.0.Io6.bnWes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4209.F2B8F8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out of lurk closet I step. Please accept my greetings and gratitude for = this wonderful place where 'birds of a feather flock together' to = exchange their experiences in the loop dimention. It was not until I = discovered the element of 'sonic chance' that is so much at the core of = looping, that the power of music became apparent to me. Nothing that I = can preconceive in my head can match the beauty of random but related = sonic events blended together to mingle amongst themselves in a loop = soup. With my minimal intervention, these things take on a life of = their own evolving into organic noises and textures that are = transporting. We are onto something here! Anyway, enough rejoicing. I = am apart of an ambient trio based in Montpelier, Vermont called Hi-Fi = Bugs. We are synth, guitar, bass and odd percussion. To this point our = live performances have been extended uninterupted pieces that are 90 or = so minutes in duration with no 'breaks' Certainly there are dynamic = lulls but no interuption of the composition. I am curious if there are = other loopers out there performing in this format. I am not sure our = listeners are comfortable as they often applaud during lulls mistaking = them for breaks between movements. Obviously we appreciate the = aknowlegement but sometimes the piece is disturbed. Is it as simple = asking for no applause. Feedback?? =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4209.F2B8F8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Out of lurk closet I step. Please = accept my=20 greetings and gratitude for this wonderful place where 'birds of a = feather flock=20 together' to exchange their experiences in the loop dimention. It was = not until=20 I discovered the element of 'sonic chance' that is so much at the core = of=20 looping, that the power of music became apparent to me. Nothing that I = can=20 preconceive in my head can match the beauty of random but related sonic = events=20 blended together to mingle amongst themselves in a loop soup. With my = minimal=20 intervention, these things take on  a life of their own evolving = into=20 organic noises and textures that are transporting. We are onto something = here!  Anyway, enough rejoicing. I am apart of an ambient trio = based in=20 Montpelier, Vermont called Hi-Fi Bugs. We are synth, guitar, bass and = odd=20 percussion. To this point our live performances have been extended = uninterupted=20 pieces that are 90 or so minutes in duration with no 'breaks' Certainly = there=20 are dynamic lulls but no interuption of the composition. I am curious if = there=20 are other loopers out there performing in this format. I am not sure our = listeners are comfortable as they often applaud during lulls mistaking = them for=20 breaks between movements. Obviously we appreciate the aknowlegement but=20 sometimes the piece is disturbed. Is it as simple asking for no = applause.=20 Feedback??
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4209.F2B8F8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 12:23:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA02814; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:23:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990117120830.0079fbc0@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:08:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Bugs In-Reply-To: <01be4233$db8f00a0$LocalHost@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Ko7dZ3.0.n-7.dWXes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Maybe you could look at the audience participation/applause as part of the whole listening experience. It IS live, afterall; just as long as they're not shouting out "FREEBIRD!!!" From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 12:34:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA05305; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:34:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:34:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Todd Quincy To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Hi-Fi Bugs Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:13:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Resent-Message-ID: <"n6Cs.0.PR._fXes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes we do the same, we are the background of the scences we play. which is fine at times. But i can't help but think while i'm playing and listening to 2 best friends laugh over beers that if i could just slap a couple sets of headphones on their ears with the grooves and loops we're laying down they would shit their pants. live performances are tough enough, but when your performance demands an attentive & open minded audience it gets even harder. i guess this is why light shows were combined with music. by the way does anyone use lights with their live act. perhaps midi sync'd to the drum machine or a live sence-a-beat system. sorry to ramble but i have a dream that one day folks like us will be able to set a jam live with each other on the internet and invite willing listeners. i wouldn't be surprised if this type of system already exists - and i just can't afford it. tq > -----Original Message----- > From: MARK FRANO [SMTP:mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 1999 11:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Hi-Fi Bugs > > Out of lurk closet I step. Please accept my greetings and gratitude > for this wonderful place where 'birds of a feather flock together' to > exchange their experiences in the loop dimention. It was not until I > discovered the element of 'sonic chance' that is so much at the core > of looping, that the power of music became apparent to me. Nothing > that I can preconceive in my head can match the beauty of random but > related sonic events blended together to mingle amongst themselves in > a loop soup. With my minimal intervention, these things take on  a > life of their own evolving into organic noises and textures that are > transporting. We are onto something here!  Anyway, enough rejoicing. I > am apart of an ambient trio based in Montpelier, Vermont called Hi-Fi > Bugs. We are synth, guitar, bass and odd percussion. To this point our > live performances have been extended uninterupted pieces that are 90 > or so minutes in duration with no 'breaks' Certainly there are dynamic > lulls but no interuption of the composition. I am curious if there are > other loopers out there performing in this format. I am not sure our > listeners are comfortable as they often applaud during lulls mistaking > them for breaks between movements. Obviously we appreciate the > aknowlegement but sometimes the piece is disturbed. Is it as simple > asking for no applause. Feedback?? >   >   >   >   >   >   >   From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 13:19:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11038; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:19:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:19:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <1667193d.36a223db@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:54:35 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Bugs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"K6uuI3.0.ry1.lEYes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/17/99 11:37:06 AM, mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com writes: <> Treat the "applause" as part of the piece instead of an external intrusion, just as you would treat traffic noise, people moving around, or any of the other "externals" that happen. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 13:42:10 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA13804; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:42:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:42:10 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:17:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RE: Hi-Fi Bugs Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Mac sub 189 Resent-Message-ID: <"cy4M92.0.yV2.nZYes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/17/99 12:36:09 PM, tquincy@davitt-hanser.com writes: <> Incorporated a light show with the recent recital I did for the Princeton Arts Council and it worked great! I had planned on getting together with the light guy prior to the show to work on a flow chart and coordinate things but decided to let him be the third improvisor and just follow what we (me and percussion) did. While we played I wasn't really aware of the role the lights played and didn't use them as a means of inspiration (which would be a truly integrated music/light show) but from post show reviews, he (Frank Jacobs, "Anchor Productions") did a great job of following the evolution of the sound. On a similar track, at home I'll sometimes fire up my iMac and the program "Macthuga" (a "sense a beat" program) and using either the coputers' built in mike or a direct input from the mixer, let Macthuga create it's visual show from the audio it's recieving. I plan on the next solo gig to have it sitting on stage, unobtrusively, just doing it's thing. The point? Oh, I don't know, maybe it just looks cool and it's a "no brainer" (something I have no control over and thus don't have to worry about :) ). - paul From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 15:31:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27011; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:31:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990117195758.26571.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:57:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Bugs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"dC0G_2.0.086.VFaes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---MARK FRANO wrote: To this point our live performances have been extended uninterupted pieces that are 90 or so minutes in duration with no 'breaks' (snip) I am not sure our listeners are comfortable as they often applaud during lulls mistaking them for breaks between movements. Obviously we appreciate the aknowlegement but sometimes the piece is disturbed. Is it as simple asking for no applause. Feedback?? Rev. D.G. replies: 90 min. pieces are not the performance "norm" so audience confusion should not be unexpected. If something other than standard practice is required of the audience, then a small anouncement before hand would not be out of order. Also, be aware that you'll probably still get interuptions from late-comers, people who were in the restrooms, those who simply didn't listen or weren't paying attention. Until you reach a certain level of recognition where your audience already *knows* what is required of them, you'll just have to deal with it. I would suggest trying to incorporate the randomness of the audience reactions into the work. 93 Rev. Doubt-GOat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 15:41:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA28026; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:41:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:41:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990117200417.27377.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:04:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Bugs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"0fuAT.0.CI6.QLaes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > Treat the "applause" as part of the piece instead of an external intrusion, > just as you would treat traffic noise, people moving around, or any of the > other "externals" that happen. Ah yes, this is called "playing off the cash register" in the old days of jazz. A soloist would respond to the "ca-ching" of the register at the bar as a form of call and response instead of as an intrusion or interuption. It's a real skill and requires HUGE ears. 93 Da Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 16:33:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA00892; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:33:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:33:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990117161622.0079ec30@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:16:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Hi-Fi Bugs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xxfBM1.0.Rd7.t8bes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >i guess this is why light shows were combined with music. > >by the way does anyone use lights with their live act. perhaps midi >sync'd to the drum machine or a live sence-a-beat system. This makes me think of Ben Neill. He uses a "mutantrumpet" with which he can 1) get the sounds of a regular trumpet. 2) get the sounds of a smaller trumpet with a slide like a trombone 3) have midi control over a whole pile of gear, including synth modules, samplers, the lights/projections and 4) do other stuff I don't know about. His "mutantrumpet" is pretty well documented, but I haven't been able to find any tech info on the rest of his rack, so if anyone knows what he's using and/or how he's using it, I'd sure like to know. When I saw him last September (opening for TransGlobal Underground) he wasn't controlling any lighting with the instrument (as far as I know), but his website describes the "mutantrumpet"'s ability to do so. For a better description than I've given, here's the url: http://www.mercurious.com/ben-neill/ By the way, the set I saw him perform, as excellent as it was, was also disrupted by a couple of over-zealous Natacha Atlas fans eagerly anticipating TransGlobal's set. Neill took it all in stride... Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 17 20:57:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA25947; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:57:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:57:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 19:49:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: RE: Hi-Fi Bugs Resent-Message-ID: <"KWPlq3.0.tQ5.Qnees"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 1/17/99 Todd quincy said: > >i guess this is why light shows were combined with music. > >by the way does anyone use lights with their live act. perhaps midi >sync'd to the drum machine or a live sence-a-beat system. > This past week FingerPaint performed for an art opening of a friend of ours, Darryl Dardenne. People were wandering around looking at the paintings and conversing as we played. It was fun to watch them looking and ocassionally some would come and sit and pay attention to us. We've also performed in a planetarium at Montgomery College. The stars are twirling and we're twiddling knobs. Not a bad way to go. Many people are looking for virtuosic instrumental displays or at least people playing on the edge of thier skills. With what we do in FingerPaint neither of these are important. We are boring to watch. Thus some type of visual distraction is an aid to those audience members who need it. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 02:38:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA02241; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:38:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:38:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A2E0FA.8FB0A4C8@texas.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:21:34 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Bugs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wHMHG2.0.JB.12kes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Patrick Smith wrote: > We've also performed in a planetarium at Montgomery College. The stars are > twirling and we're twiddling knobs. Not a bad way to go. > > Patrick > i once saw tangerine dream play a planetarium. gosh. i think i would be *very * satisfied to get that kind of a gig. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 06:40:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA18646; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:40:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 06:40:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36A30CC9.A3335417@vete.ucl.ac.be> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:28:27 +0200 From: Olivier Reply-To: malhomme@vete.ucl.ac.be Organization: UCL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: manually looped References: <199901170805.DAA24020@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T7Oal1.0.DK4.pdnes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com <> I did. Theere was a time were I had no looping device. I used them my AKAI multitrack recorder to record and mix what would become a loop. I had then to "manually loop" the whole. ie play everything. That gave a quite different flavour (more organic?). Anyway, The jam man made me lazy. I don't do that anymore. Was better but really time consuming, and definitely impossible to use on stage, not to mention unsuited for improvisation. Olivier Malhomme From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 09:53:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA08499; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:53:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:53:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990118083329.007c0140@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 08:33:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Bugs In-Reply-To: <01be4233$db8f00a0$LocalHost@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hP70y.0.da1.3Oqes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:10 AM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote: > Anyway, enough rejoicing. I am apart of an ambient trio based in >Montpelier, Vermont called Hi-Fi Bugs. We are synth, guitar, bass and odd >percussion. To this point our live performances have been extended >uninterupted pieces that are 90 or so minutes in duration with no 'breaks' >Certainly there are dynamic lulls but no interuption of the composition. I >am curious if there are other loopers out there performing in this format. >I am not sure our listeners are comfortable as they often applaud during >lulls mistaking them for breaks between movements. Obviously we appreciate >the aknowlegement but sometimes the piece is disturbed. Is it as simple >asking for no applause. Feedback?? Howdy, My trio has done 30-40 minute nonstop pieces to some of the same response. What you can do is run a live audience mic into your looping device of choice--and cough back to the same audience the things that they have just done. Or, you could just try a piece with no dynamic lulls for 90 minutes and not give them any room to applaud or distract you! Ha! Chances are that would be relatively frightening to most! Seriously, I'd just suggest what many others on the list have: just go with it. Hell, before the show, sample yourself in a monotone/robotic voice saying "Thank you..." into your device and spit it back out whenever there's applause. Wouldn't that be a kick? Sincerely, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 10:49:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA16656; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:49:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:49:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:41:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a few other thoughts- no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 176 Resent-Message-ID: <"mZTxN3.0.yn3.3Ores"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com << > "The trouble with avant garde music is that it has lost its original > meaning and > now has as many rules and clich=E9s as country or rock & roll. If in 5= 0 > years > time they will look back at the early 1980s, or whenever, and say that > was the > new avant garde era, that event must be avoided if we are to remain > true" < I don't get this statement... what was the original meaning? There is g= reat music being done right now that is devoid of any cliches or rules... if y= ou dont wanna call it avant-garde, then call it something else. I'm sure th= e musicians won't care what you call it!> Avant Garde? I'd have to say that the 'free improvised' music I have seen= recently has been somewhat predictable in terms of the structure of the pieces, the way in which the players interact, and much of the content of the individual players. Although I've seen a couple of soloists to whom this doesn't apply. Seems to me it's possible to be 'avant garde' without being an innovator. Is it possible to have music without rules? Perhaps the interest lies in the way the rules mutate. How many times does a loop go round before it gets to be a cliche. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 13:27:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11209; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:27:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:27:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990118131244.007aca20@panther.middlebury.edu> X-Sender: mchriste@panther.middlebury.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:12:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: murkie Subject: Re: Hi-Fi Bugs In-Reply-To: <01be4233$db8f00a0$LocalHost@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lihAp.0.KP2.Vites"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:10 AM 1/17/99 -0500, you wrote: > Anyway, enough rejoicing. I am apart of an ambient trio based in >Montpelier, Vermont called Hi-Fi Bugs. We are synth, guitar, bass and odd >percussion. To this point our live performances have been extended >uninterupted pieces that are 90 or so minutes in duration with no 'breaks' >Certainly there are dynamic lulls but no interuption of the composition. I >am curious if there are other loopers out there performing in this format. >I am not sure our listeners are comfortable as they often applaud during >lulls mistaking them for breaks between movements. Obviously we appreciate >the aknowlegement but sometimes the piece is disturbed. Is it as simple >asking for no applause. Feedback?? remember you're gigging in vermont ("the land where people clap between movements of chmber pieces"). and where the heck is the loop-friendly venue in montpelier?!?! keep me posted om when y'all play again. m ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie@middlebury.edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 18:30:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA04686; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:30:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:30:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: MrBERWELL@aol.com Message-ID: <3f69d1f2.36a3c22d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:22:21 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: a few other thoughts- no loop content Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"r-WXF3.0.OQ.I9yes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/18/99 10:50:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, SoundFNR@aol.com writes: > Avant Garde? I'd have to say that the 'free improvised' music I have seen > recently has been somewhat predictable in terms of the structure of > the pieces, the way in which the players interact, and much of the > content of the individual players. Although I've seen a couple of soloists > to whom this doesn't apply. > > Seems to me it's possible to be 'avant garde' without being an innovator. It's possible to be avante garde whilst being a blatant immitator. It's all a matter of perception, but no one's pulling the wool over our eyes, now are they?? If you live near NYC and want to see some "new" music live, email me, I can make some recommendations. -Jody From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 18:53:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA14707; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:53:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: From: Jamie Lack To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Bugs Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:43:28 +1000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"J50cz1.0.DO2.IRyes"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Why not record the audience noises and play them back, integrating them into the performance? Jamie jlack@auran.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 18 21:06:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07694; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:06:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Hi Fi Bugs Bugs Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:55:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be434e$d7823f60$2d3fdacf@sgoodman.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"3G0aX2.0.ek.3O-es"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Jamie Lack [mailto:jlack@auran.com] suggested: > Why not record the audience noises and play them back, > integrating them into the performance? On the Eno/Manzanera "801 Live" album, the "Baby's On Fire" cut segues with the audience's applause being fed through a flange process before turning into a drone tone, from which "Diamond Head" is launched. I always wanted to do that with a performance, to say nothing of wiring up condenser mics round the club to pick up conversation and such (with of course the obligatory notices to the audience, and a person to mix the mics well enough to keep people wondering). Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 03:57:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA16361; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:57:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:57:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A44C07.66B3@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:10:31 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Art/online issues followup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hqekW1.0.XR3.RU4fs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com As something of a followup to the thread on art and money, there's a very interesting story at Addicted to Noise (http://www.addict.com/MNOTW/lofi/). It details how Public Enemy has severed ties with former label Def Jam, and are now preparing several different "labels" through which they plan to release songs and albums for free online. Sounds suspiciously like history being made... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 17:17:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA30391; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:17:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:17:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:06:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199901192206.QAA07206@mw2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: San Antonio show @Taco Land Jan 19 Resent-Message-ID: <"V5c262.0.R06.x5Gfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello any list members in the area (you know who you are) Jack Booted Thugs (sometimes called Theorem 5, depending on instrumentation confuses me too..) will be playin Tues. Jan 19 at Taco Land at 11:00pm.(103 W. Grayson (210) 223-8406. i as always will be looping and Stickin,,and hitting things we will be joined this evening by a Duet from Germany "S/T" . they will began playing at 9:45.. any local listmembers in the area, please come enjoy a very special evening. thanks james From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 17:37:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06764; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:37:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:37:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A50615.E526F40A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:24:21 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: EDP software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JGxAn.0.81.zMGfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Does anyone know if the EDP ships with version 5 of the software now? I just ordered one on 1-17-99 Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 17:37:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06875; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:37:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:37:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A50559.1FE9858C@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:21:13 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Just bought an EDP... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rsmvx.0.zf7.EKGfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, I just ordered an EDP from Sam Ash in Los Angeles and am concerned to find out if I have paid too much or if the price was a good one- I paid $636.36 for the unit and $108.04 for the foot controller- I also picked up 2 of the 4mb SIMMs for $40, all prices plus tax. Does anyone know if this is reasonable? I think it probably is but I saw how some of the folks here at LD did a bulk order and got great deals- I have 30 days to find a better price so if anyone has info please let me know. I was also trying to find out if the unit has room for 2 or 4 SIMM modules. I bought 2 thinking it came loaded with 2 but I am not sure... I am looking forward to interacting with everyone more ONCE I GET THE THING!!!! hehe- It has not arrived yet but I am very excited indeed- reading the article on David Torn in the recent Guitar Shop really sealed the deal. Can loops be saved on the EDP?? If not, how have some of you decided to "save" your work? Hopefully Looping SOON... Clifford Novey From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 18:12:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA22821; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:12:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:12:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A701B163A9@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Digital recording Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:48:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"Zibrg.0.z24.TuGfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I sent this message out yesterday, but don't think it posted due to local server problems. So, I will post it again... Thanks Alan Does anybody on the list have any experience with the Aark 20/20, made by Aardvark? This is a 10-in, 10-out (full duplex for Win 95), 20 bit audio interface to the PC. It has 10 quarter inch phone plug inputs, and also 10 similar outputs. 24 bit resolution, 80MPS. It retails for somewhere around $500-600. It seems to be good competition for the $1K Event Electronics Layla system. The Aark 20/20 doesn't list the disclaimer that the Layla system does, where you have to have an Intel Pentium in order for it to work. Furthermore, the Aark 20/20 claims compatibility with Sonic Foundry Soundforge, Cakewalk, Cooledit Pro, and others, as does the Layla. The Layla system includes Cool Edit Pro-Special Edition multitrack recording/editing software, also includes Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge XP 4.0 graphic waveform editing/DSP effects software, plus Sonic Foundry's CD Architect professional Redbook audio CD mastering software. The price difference could be the included software that Layla has, but Aark 20/20 apparently doesn't. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 20:46:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA28938; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:46:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:46:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <01be4415$0d1da080$c87cf2d0@chester> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE43EB.24479880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"15vNe1.0.g96.qEJfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE43EB.24479880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the many responses regarding my recent post about audience = applause during loop performance. I guess my main concern is that the = subtlety of quiet passages is often lost in live performance. It seems = easy to hold an audiences attention when the sonics are dramatic and = bold but when the piece turns towards nuance and minimalism things tend = to get sticky. Its almost as if a live audience is uncomfortable with = spacial loops to the point of nervous applause. Our greatest successes = are when we are playing to an extremely attentive group focused on the = sound. This is rare as chatter and external influences always seem to = contribute to the sonic landscape. I don't want to come across as a = demanding performer but I know the power of our music lies in its wide = dynamic range-- delicate textures to corse bold blasts. Is looping too = intimate for live settings? Are we too boring visually? I too wish = everyone in the audience was wearing headphones. Too much seems to be = sacrificed. Perhaps recording is our best direction. 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Thanks for the many responses = regarding my=20 recent post about audience applause during loop performance. I guess my = main=20 concern is that the subtlety of quiet passages is often lost in live=20 performance. It seems easy to hold an audiences attention when the = sonics are=20 dramatic and bold but when the piece turns towards nuance and minimalism = things=20 tend to get sticky. Its almost as if a live audience is uncomfortable = with=20 spacial loops to the point of nervous applause. Our greatest successes = are when=20 we are playing to an extremely attentive group focused on the sound. = This is=20 rare as chatter and external influences always seem to contribute to the = sonic=20 landscape. I don't want to come across as a demanding performer but I = know the=20 power of our music lies in its wide dynamic range-- delicate textures to = corse=20 bold blasts. Is looping too intimate for live settings? Are we too = boring=20 visually? I too wish everyone in the audience was wearing headphones. = Too much=20 seems to be sacrificed. Perhaps recording is our best direction.=20 Feedback?
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE43EB.24479880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 20:55:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA32601; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:55:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:07:13 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pdGUP1.0.N_6.fLJfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Clifford, I just ordered my EDP today also. The David Torn interview did it for me too (plus the fact that I've been a huge fan for years)! Anyway, I ordered mine from Alto Music, somewhere in NY state. I have Kim Flint of this list to thank for recommending them. I paid $660 for BOTH the EDP AND the foot contoller, which is the best price I've found anywhere. They have 20 EDP's on order, and they're expecting them to arrive this coming Monday -- or so I was told. If you're interested, their number is 914-692-6922. Ask for John. And Kim, if you're reading this, thanks again! Now, I would appreciate it if someone could explain to me what SIMMs are, and how easy or difficult they are to install for someone who knows very little about that sort of thing. Steve Delgado -- On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:21:13 Clifford Novey wrote: >Hello, I just ordered an EDP from Sam Ash in Los Angeles and am >concerned to find out if I have paid too much or if the price was a good >one- I paid $636.36 for the unit and $108.04 for the foot controller- I >also picked up 2 of the 4mb SIMMs for $40, all prices plus tax. >Does anyone know if this is reasonable? I think it probably is but I saw >how some of the folks here at LD did a bulk order and got great deals- >I have 30 days to find a better price so if anyone has info please let >me know. >I was also trying to find out if the unit has room for 2 or 4 SIMM >modules. I bought 2 thinking it came loaded with 2 but I am not sure... >I am looking forward to interacting with everyone more ONCE I GET THE >THING!!!! hehe- It has not arrived yet but I am very excited indeed- >reading the article on David Torn in the recent Guitar Shop really >sealed the deal. >Can loops be saved on the EDP?? If not, how have some of you decided to >"save" your work? > >Hopefully Looping SOON... > >Clifford Novey > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 20:55:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA00091; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:55:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:55:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:09:07 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: EDP software X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ptJyC.0.uC7.UNJfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yep. Steve Delgado -- On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:24:21 Clifford Novey wrote: >Does anyone know if the EDP ships with version 5 of the software now? >I just ordered one on 1-17-99 > >Cliff > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 19 23:20:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA31565; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:20:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:20:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Future Perfect" To: Subject: RE: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:08:41 -0500 Message-ID: <009701be442a$906c89a0$1cf0ffd0@futurepe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01BE4400.A79681A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01be4415$0d1da080$c87cf2d0@chester> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"-6Jis3.0.1e6.9SLfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BE4400.A79681A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chances are, 'spacial loops' DO make the audience uncomfortable. The majority of listening audiences out there may not know how to listen to music that demands their attention. I know from a lot of live shows that an extremely attentive audience is very rare, and even still, many of them are more likely to staring blankly at the sounds forced upon them than digging your music as much as you do. Looping also may be extremely boring to watch in this age of quick-edit MTV-isms. When playing live there are a lot of sacrifices- you may not get a musically educated audience that 'understands' you. The room may be noisy, there may not be a seated audience, etc. We recently did a show at the Florida Aquarium that was wonderful- people milling around, pretty noisy, but the setting was gorgeous. Few musicians give up playing live because the audience doesn't act the way they want them to. Use your surroundings to influence your loops, this includes the audiences' reaction or non-reaction. Choose to perform in non-standard live music settings, like an Aquarium or other museum. 'Modify' the dynamic range in the performances according to the noise level in the room. Although it would be interesting to see the reaction when someone asks the entire audience to wear headphones (and worth the admission price alone!), in the end, ask yourself why you play live. Enjoy the music, rather than the audiences' reaction to the music. Don't give up live playing, just rethink the way it is done. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ Its almost as if a live audience is uncomfortable with spacial loops to the point of nervous applause. Our greatest successes are when we are playing to an extremely attentive group focused on the sound. This is rare as chatter and external influences always seem to contribute to the sonic landscape. I don't want to come across as a demanding performer but I know the power of our music lies in its wide dynamic range-- delicate textures to corse bold blasts. Is looping too intimate for live settings? Are we too boring visually? I too wish everyone in the audience was wearing headphones. Too much seems to be sacrificed. Perhaps recording is our best direction. Feedback? ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BE4400.A79681A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chances are, 'spacial loops' DO make the audience = uncomfortable.=20 The majority of listening audiences out there may not know how to listen = to=20 music that demands their attention. I know from a lot of live shows that = an=20 extremely attentive audience is very rare, and even still, many of them = are more=20 likely to staring blankly at the sounds forced upon them than digging = your music=20 as much as you do. Looping also may be extremely boring to watch in this = age of=20 quick-edit MTV-isms. When playing live there are a lot of sacrifices- = you may=20 not get a musically educated audience that 'understands' you. The room = may be=20 noisy, there may not be a seated audience, etc. We recently did a show = at the=20 Florida Aquarium that was wonderful- people milling around, pretty = noisy, but=20 the setting was gorgeous. Few musicians give up playing live because the = audience doesn't act the way they want them to. Use your surroundings to = influence your loops, this includes the audiences' reaction or = non-reaction.=20 Choose to perform in non-standard live music settings, like an Aquarium = or other=20 museum. 'Modify' the dynamic range in the performances according to the = noise=20 level in the room. Although it would be interesting to see the reaction = when=20 someone asks the entire audience to wear headphones (and worth the = admission=20 price alone!), in the end, ask yourself why you play live. Enjoy the = music,=20 rather than the audiences' reaction to the music. Don't give up live = playing,=20 just rethink the way it is done.
 
Dave Eichenberger

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 Its almost as if a live audience is = uncomfortable with=20 spacial loops to the point of nervous applause. Our greatest successes = are when=20 we are playing to an extremely attentive group focused on the sound. = This is=20 rare as chatter and external influences always seem to contribute to the = sonic=20 landscape. I don't want to come across as a demanding performer but I = know the=20 power of our music lies in its wide dynamic range-- delicate textures to = corse=20 bold blasts. Is looping too intimate for live settings? Are we too = boring=20 visually? I too wish everyone in the audience was wearing headphones. = Too much=20 seems to be sacrificed. Perhaps recording is our best direction.=20 Feedback?
------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BE4400.A79681A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 03:33:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA05734; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:33:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:33:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01be4415$0d1da080$c87cf2d0@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:05:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance Resent-Message-ID: <"rmakx2.0.OS.mAPfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com One idea that I think works well is to talk to your audience beforehand and explain what you are about to do a little bit. Maybe tell them a little bit about the piece, or how you are creating it, or some interesting things they might listen for. Then they know what to expect and maybe how to react, and will be a little more educated about your music before they are introduced to it. I think people will be much more engaged and pay more attention that way, maybe even feel a little good about themselves when they catch one of the things you mentioned, or feel they are getting it. Or you could just enjoy the old trick of fooling them into thinking its the end, and just as they start to clap, go into the really loud section that's obviously the same piece. Smile wickedly when you do this. kim > Thanks for the many responses regarding my recent post about >audience applause during loop performance. I guess my main concern >is that the subtlety of quiet passages is often lost in live performance. >It seems easy to hold an audiences attention when the sonics are dramatic >and bold but when the piece turns towards nuance and minimalism things >tend to get sticky. Its almost as if a live audience is uncomfortable >with spacial loops to the point of nervous applause. Our greatest successes >are when we are playing to an extremely attentive group focused on the >sound. >This is rare as chatter and external influences always seem to contribute >to the sonic landscape. I don't want to come across as a demanding performer >but I know the power of our music lies in its wide dynamic range-- delicate >textures to corse bold blasts. Is looping too intimate for live settings? >Are we too boring visually? I too wish everyone in the audience was wearing >headphones. Too much seems to be sacrificed. Perhaps recording is our best >direction. Feedback? ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 03:33:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA05501; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:33:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:33:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36A50559.1FE9858C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:25:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... Resent-Message-ID: <"S34QM1.0.9S.mAPfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 2:21 PM -0800 1/19/99, Clifford Novey wrote: >I was also trying to find out if the unit has room for 2 or 4 SIMM >modules. I bought 2 thinking it came loaded with 2 but I am not sure... It has room for 4 simms. It ships with 4 1MB simms (50 sec), to fully upgrade you need to get 4 4MB simms (198 sec). Check the echoplex faq on the web site, most of these questions are answered: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html >I am looking forward to interacting with everyone more ONCE I GET THE >THING!!!! hehe- It has not arrived yet but I am very excited indeed- >reading the article on David Torn in the recent Guitar Shop really >sealed the deal. damn dt, what did you tell these boys? I guess I let my guitar shop subscription lapse there....(didn't think I needed another drawing of of a strat plugged into a marshall....;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 03:58:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA16179; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:58:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <36A50559.1FE9858C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:52:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... Resent-Message-ID: <"lWBcW3.0.HD3.jZPfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:25 AM -0800 1/20/99, Kim Flint wrote: >(didn't think I needed another drawing of of a >strat plugged into a marshall....;-) Heresy! Burn him! _________________________________________________ Chris Muir | cbm@well.com | Got moloko? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 04:51:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA04456; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:51:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 04:51:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A5A53C.40A65FC9@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 01:43:24 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EfCZj3.0.QC.aJQfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim, Thank you for your response- I have to say it is a great thing to be able to communicate with one of the developers of this instrument- the internet can be a great thing... If the unit ships with 4 1mb simms, could I replace 2 of them with 4mb simms and leave 2 of the 1mb simms in there? I looked in the FAQ but it did not address this specific point. The only reason I ask is because I bought 2 of the 4mb simms at the time I bought the EDP- no biggie- if it works like a pc's memory I'm ok- if not I will just get another pair of 4mb chips and begin my journey with 198 seconds! As far as what dt said- well, I have wanted a really good delay unit for some time- one with a long delay time- I have always loved playing rhythmic/melodic lines and hearing the harmonies and counterpoint etc. with stompbox type delays- but it has never been a high priority- always seems to be something else I need more (like food, and uh, insurance, and hmmm, let's see...) Then 2 weeks ago I saw guitarist Mike Miller (who I had never heard before) play a wonderful show with Chad Wakerman and Jimmy Johnson and he used a pair of Lexicon Jam Mans VERY tastefully- building great intros and ending the loopswhen the bass and drums came in- and speaking to him after the show I decided to really look into it- (having burned out on my Porta One and cassette tapes- theres nothing better than searching through that shoebox full of multitrack tapes endlessly fast forwarding and rewinding to find that one idea you KNOW you have in there somewhere...;) Well, dt was very enthusiastic about the EDP and obviously had a lot of experience with other delay/sample units including the Jam Man- he goes on in detail about how deep the unit is and all of the options etc. and how condusive it is for live situations- If you are interested I could scan the article and make it available...or would I get into trouble doing that? Oh well- Thanks again- Cliff Novey Kim Flint wrote: > At 2:21 PM -0800 1/19/99, Clifford Novey wrote: > >I was also trying to find out if the unit has room for 2 or 4 SIMM > >modules. I bought 2 thinking it came loaded with 2 but I am not sure... > > It has room for 4 simms. It ships with 4 1MB simms (50 sec), to fully > upgrade you need to get 4 4MB simms (198 sec). Check the echoplex faq on > the web site, most of these questions are answered: > > http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html > > >I am looking forward to interacting with everyone more ONCE I GET THE > >THING!!!! hehe- It has not arrived yet but I am very excited indeed- > >reading the article on David Torn in the recent Guitar Shop really > >sealed the deal. > > damn dt, what did you tell these boys? I guess I let my guitar shop > subscription lapse there....(didn't think I needed another drawing of of a > strat plugged into a marshall....;-) > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 07:02:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA23027; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:02:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:02:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:21:52 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: off Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tymrv3.0.nR4.2CSfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Are these SIMMs available from a music store, or does one have to go to Radio Shack or some such place? Also, are they easy to install? -- >It has room for 4 simms. It ships with 4 1MB simms (50 sec), to fully >upgrade you need to get 4 4MB simms (198 sec). >>reading the article on David Torn in the recent Guitar Shop really >>sealed the deal. > >damn dt, what did you tell these boys? It's just that I never understood what he was doing before, or that there was a specific piece of gear available for it. I confess to a staggering amount of ignorance about all things loop. Steve Delgado Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 07:06:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA24543; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:06:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:06:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 06:55:26 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"n-Eh02.0.8q4.4GSfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com don't forget the wah wah. strat into wah into marshall. yeah, that's the ticket!! =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 07:06:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA24720; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:06:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:06:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36A5A53C.40A65FC9@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:54:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... Resent-Message-ID: <"XjzqS3.0.Oj4.oESfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Thank you for your response- I have to say it is a great thing to be able to >communicate with one of the developers of this instrument- the internet can be >a great thing... you wouldn't think so if you were me and you got 3 or 4 mails a day from random people saying something like "dude, where can I buy an echoplex?" or even better, "how much are you selling jammans for?" And those are the mails from sane people.... >If the unit ships with 4 1mb simms, could I replace 2 of them with 4mb simms >and leave 2 of the 1mb simms in there? yes sir, you replace them in pairs. The pairs can be different sizes. >I looked in the FAQ but it did not >address this specific point. ehem. well, you're right that one isn't exactly stated in the FAQ. HOWEVER, (and here is where I get to *chide* someone, my favorite pasttime...) it IS described in the manual, which is also available on the LD site.....the FAQ isn't really supposed to duplicate the manual..... >If you are interested I could scan the >article and make it available...or would I get into trouble doing that? > sure, scan away. Probably we won't put it online while the magazine is still on the rack..... ;-) My philosophy on such things has gradually become: give magazine publisher a reasonable opportunity to put it on their own website; If they don't (and they probably won't....) we ask permission to put it on our site; after they haven't bothered to reply we go ahead and put it up on our site for them anyway; if they someday get around to putting it up afterall, we take ours down and link to them, otherwise we leave it; when they sue me, we release lots of press releases about the case and use the resulting fame and noteriety to get lots more attention and hits on our web site and maybe get on some talk shows, which I would enjoy a lot. so sure, send it on in! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 07:37:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA04348; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:37:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:37:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990120072523.007a0470@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:25:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance In-Reply-To: References: <01be4415$0d1da080$c87cf2d0@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"p0FT43.0.XN7.0fSfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Or you could just enjoy the old trick of fooling them into thinking its the >end, and just as they start to clap, go into the really loud section that's >obviously the same piece. Smile wickedly when you do this. March 23rd, 1792: Haydn's Symphony #94 ("The Surprise Symphony") premieres in London. It'd be great to have a time machine to check out the audience reaction on THIS one! Or imagine the Haydn interview in the April 1792 issue of "Today's Composer" where he explains how he came to feel the need for such extremes of dynamic range; "...Well, they just weren't paying attention, and I said to myself 'Joseph, you've got to wake those buggers up', and started going through my 'orchestral stab' samples, and next thing you know..." Live audiences have always been prone to distraction. It's only natural to look around and check out a room full of interesting-looking strangers at a public gathering, especially in the hyper-social setting of a nightclub or bar (or a concert hall, or an art gallery, or the mall, etc.). It would be NICE if everyone would sit and listen intently, but it's probably not going to happen very often, and this is not always an indication that the music being presented is in itself boring or that the band's presentation is not worth watching. It's just that there's a lot going on in the room, and that's just part of live performance... One advantage we have over Haydn is that we can sell CD's at our live shows, so that some of the audience can take the music HOME and put on those headphones... We can take advantage of two very different means of presenting the music, live AND recorded, and each can enrich the other. Maybe Hi Fi Bugs could start off with a few pieces of a more conventional length/dynamic range to hook the crowd, and THEN preface the longer ones with the sort of communication/explanation Kim wrote of once the room has settled in a bit. Best wishes, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 09:24:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17279; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:24:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:24:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:35:32 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6cska2.0._X2.iDUfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com -- On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:54:20 Kim Flint wrote: > >>Thank you for your response- I have to say it is a great thing to be able to >>communicate with one of the developers of this instrument- the internet can be >>a great thing... > >you wouldn't think so if you were me and you got 3 or 4 mails a day from >random people saying something like "dude, where can I buy an echoplex?" Hey Dude, Like thanks for telling me where I can buy one of them things. Whoa, this means I can play the riff from Smoke On the Water and jam along with it! Steve Delgado Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 09:49:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA28623; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:49:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:49:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2C396693FBDED111AEF60000F84104A701B163AE@indyexch_fddi.indy.tce.com> From: Hoover Alan To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:29:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <"wb_HY1.0.M85.BaUfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What you are describing is sometimes seen in classical symphony = performance, particularly if the performance is some obscure work.=A0 Mostly in = classical performance, the audience tend to hold back more out of respect, = politeness (fear of fauxpas?), waiting for "cues" from someone in the audience who displays the confidence to discern when the pauses between movements = are and when the end of the symphony is.=A0 Then, applause erupts properly.=A0 = In symphonies, the written program indicates movements, but classical = music is very structured.=A0=20 =A0 In the more obscure symphonic works, improper applause sometimes starts = to break out sporadically, but is quickly quelled when the bulk of the = audience doesn't respond in kind.=A0 Most classical music goers seem to have the learned the capability of being embarrassed.=A0 From what you are = describing, it doesn't sound like a significant portion of the audience has spent = much time watching classical symphonies.=A0 I think you will just have to = live with this until your audience comes to know your music better or you somehow explain it to them, verbally or with a written program.=A0 They = probably appreciate what you are trying to do, and maybe would like a little = guidance from you.=A0 Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: MARK FRANO [mailto:mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 8:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance Thanks for the many responses regarding my recent post about audience applause during loop performance. I guess my main concern is that the subtlety of quiet passages is often lost in live performance. It seems = easy to hold an audiences attention when the sonics are dramatic and bold = but when the piece turns towards nuance and minimalism things tend to get sticky. Its almost as if a live audience is uncomfortable with spacial = loops to the point of nervous applause. Our greatest successes are when we = are playing to an extremely attentive group focused on the sound. This is = rare as chatter and external influences always seem to contribute to the = sonic landscape. I don't want to come across as a demanding performer but I = know the power of our music lies in its wide dynamic range-- delicate = textures to corse bold blasts. Is looping too intimate for live settings? Are we = too boring visually? I too wish everyone in the audience was wearing = headphones. Too much seems to be sacrificed. Perhaps recording is our best = direction. Feedback? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 10:13:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA07243; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:13:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:13:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901201514.KAA06437@ulster.net> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:55:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #28 From: "jmw/cmu" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2Dfw23.0.v31.x4Vfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyway, I ordered mine from Alto Music, somewhere in NY state. >I have Kim Flint of this list >to thank for recommending them. I paid $660 for BOTH the EDP AND the foot >contoller, which is the best price I've found anywhere. They have 20 EDP's >on order, and they're expecting them to arrive this coming Monday -- or so >I was told. If you're interested, their number is 914-692-6922. Ask for >John. And Kim, if you're reading this, thanks again! I stopped by Alto Music yesterday ( looking for my much needed footpedal...) and spoke with John about the EDP orders - He's doing his best to make sure they arrive to his store soon so he can ship them before he leaves for NAMM. Apparently Gibson is in the midst of moving warehouses or something like that and that's why there's a delay. He mentioned that because of this list Alto Music is the single largest seller of EDP's in the US & that he bought all of the units that Gibson currently had available! I think I give my Loopers Delight 2 CD so he has an idea about what all of these devices are being used for... peace, jmw From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 11:43:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA08018; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:43:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:43:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <2f13fc35.36a6033c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:24:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V99 #28 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"qtn-71.0.el._EWfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/20/99 9:15:18 AM Central Standard Time, evening@ulster.net writes: << I think I give my Loopers Delight 2 CD so he has an idea about what all of these devices are being used for... peace, jmw >> Good PR goes a long way. hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 11:49:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09204; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:49:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:49:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901201634.OAA02908@postman.bahianet.com.br> Reply-To: From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Re: Concerned about Live Performance...and... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:34:14 -0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-BMQz2.0.HQ1.UNWfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i been playing bars and night clubs ( included strip shows), also big arenas with dance bands, rock bands, cover bands and experimental bands...i just learn that most important thing is: there man waiting for women and women waiting for man, others are just waiting for drugs and a few are concerned about musicians and perfomance.The people just want a happy enviroment...i learn to be carefull with minor keys...you can play 1 hour in Cm, you make the audience go down etc. Happy enviroment to find laugh, relax, sex, relashionship, friendship etc.Santana always check the groove looking at the women in the audience, the way they react is a important parameter for his rhythm aproach and futures perfomances ( i think he looks others "parts" to hahahah!)...anyway rhythm transitions between songs are very important too. When you play at a night club there diferents "times" into the whole night : before the first beer...after the trird...the end of night ( after a various whiskies) seems to be the most wonderfull time to deep feelings stuff ...some people "needs" to talk loud when the music is going ( be comprensive...you are doing a social service to hahaha)...ok...just a few statments for the loop comunity from a south american musician. Good health and music for everybody!!! Julio. ---------- > From: Tim Nelson > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance > Date: Quarta-feira, 20 de Janeiro de 1999 13:25 > > >Or you could just enjoy the old trick of fooling them into thinking its the > >end, and just as they start to clap, go into the really loud section that's > >obviously the same piece. Smile wickedly when you do this. > > March 23rd, 1792: Haydn's Symphony #94 ("The Surprise Symphony") premieres > in London. > > It'd be great to have a time machine to check out the audience reaction on > THIS one! Or imagine the Haydn interview in the April 1792 issue of > "Today's Composer" where he explains how he came to feel the need for such > extremes of dynamic range; "...Well, they just weren't paying attention, > and I said to myself 'Joseph, you've got to wake those buggers up', and > started going through my 'orchestral stab' samples, and next thing you > know..." > > Live audiences have always been prone to distraction. It's only natural to > look around and check out a room full of interesting-looking strangers at a > public gathering, especially in the hyper-social setting of a nightclub or > bar (or a concert hall, or an art gallery, or the mall, etc.). It would be > NICE if everyone would sit and listen intently, but it's probably not going > to happen very often, and this is not always an indication that the music > being presented is in itself boring or that the band's presentation is not > worth watching. It's just that there's a lot going on in the room, and > that's just part of live performance... > One advantage we have over Haydn is that we can sell CD's at our live > shows, so that some of the audience can take the music HOME and put on > those headphones... We can take advantage of two very different means of > presenting the music, live AND recorded, and each can enrich the other. > > Maybe Hi Fi Bugs could start off with a few pieces of a more conventional > length/dynamic range to hook the crowd, and THEN preface the longer ones > with the sort of communication/explanation Kim wrote of once the room has > settled in a bit. > > Best wishes, > > Tim > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 11:49:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09126; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:49:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:49:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <81187A52F28ED21197D200805FBB030F4AB5FA@whi_exchange.malcolmpirnie.com> From: "Wordsman, Lee" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:19:09 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <"822Nt2.0.R81.ILWfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, I'm sitting here in my cubical doing my job. It's noisy around me so I listen to music to dull the distractions. I've just received my LD v.2 in the mail (thanks to Matt's excellent client service) so of course that is what I'm listening to. Unfortunately, I'm now having trouble focussing on my work. Instead, I'm thinking "oh, I could add that approach to what I've been doing and move into a new direction with my own loops " when I should be trying to minimize nutrient loadings from a wastewater treatment plant. Even as I type this note, I piece together how some of the pad swells are achieved on the guitar and wish I was at home ready to begin another looping experiment. This collection is certainly fuel to fire my creative juices. THANX! to Matt and Kim and all the folks represented on the LD v2. In business people always say "It's nice to put name to face" when meeting someone who you've only ever spoken to over the phone. In this case, it's nice to put name to music. It gives a different context to names and thoughts that are shared between us on this list. Although, I have to admit that for some strange reason, when I keep being reminded of Bill Murray in Stripes when he says "Lee Harvey! You are a madman! When you stole that cow? And your friend tried to make it with the cow? I wanna party with you." ; } From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 11:53:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09832; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:53:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:53:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:32:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Carter To: list server loopers delight Subject: Applause, Marshalls and Footpedals Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sE7Lw1.0.1e1.5PWfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In response to some rather interesting threads I really have to add my thoughts: 1) - if someone feels the need to applaud during a performance I am usually so grateful that I'm prepared to stop and let them get on with it (and thank them for their trouble). 2) - before Christmas I played a gig with a few friend performing "country rock" armed with nothing but a guitar (not Fender), bottle neck, volume pedal and Marshall. This felt very "naked" but exposing myself like that in public was a bit of a buzz (mainly due to playing slide on a guitar with too low an action). 3) - does anyone want to buy an EDP footcontroller. Never gigged, in fact only taken out of the house twice. Jim Carter e-mail jim.carter@bris.ac.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 11:59:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11305; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:59:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:59:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Just bought an EDP... Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 07:58:27 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be448d$b7855a40$33ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ijWAv2.0.A62.xXWfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Article? Magazine? What article? What magazine? What website? -Bought an EDP too -J -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Wednesday 20 January 1999 3:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... >If you are interested I could scan the >article and make it available...or would I get into trouble doing that? > sure, scan away. Probably we won't put it online while the magazine is still on the rack..... ;-) My philosophy on such things has gradually become: give magazine publisher a reasonable opportunity to put it on their own website; If they don't (and they probably won't....) we ask permission to put it on our site; after they haven't bothered to reply we go ahead and put it up on our site for them anyway; if they someday get around to putting it up afterall, we take ours down and link to them, otherwise we leave it; when they sue me, we release lots of press releases about the case and use the resulting fame and noteriety to get lots more attention and hits on our web site and maybe get on some talk shows, which I would enjoy a lot. so sure, send it on in! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 12:32:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19796; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:32:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:32:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: neato@pipeline.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:12:55 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: neato@pop.pipeline.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: lexicon mpx g2 Resent-Message-ID: <"CS2aK.0.Rg3.6vWfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com anyone using, or have some hands on info($?) about the new lexicon guitar processor: "The JamMan is part of the new Lexicon MPX G2 It's a guitar processor with lots of immitations of old stuff like MXR compressors (blue and red), Univibes, Tubescreamer, reverbs, delays, the JamMan, etc, etc."( fr. the effects newsgroup) cheers all my mistakes were once acts of genius neato@pipeline.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 13:21:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA27613; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:21:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:21:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:18:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: lexicon mpx g2 Resent-Message-ID: <"9bC0d1.0.aB6.3kXfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My fellow loopers, neato@pipeline.com said: >anyone using, or have some hands on info($?) about the new lexicon guitar >processor: > >"The JamMan is part of the new Lexicon MPX G2 >It's a guitar processor with lots of immitations of old stuff like MXR >compressors (blue and red), Univibes, Tubescreamer, reverbs, delays, >the JamMan, etc, etc."( fr. the effects newsgroup) > I have not had a chance to try the MPX G2, but here is a message that Bob Sellon from Lexicon sent to me recently regarding this item: >By the way, did you get a chance to check out Lexicon's MXP G2? Thats the >product I just got done with. I'm really pleased with how it ended up. It >includes a "JamMan" algorithm. It only supports a single loop and the box only >has 20 seconds of memory but combined with the other stuff the box can do, >it's >pretty amazing. I even included a hook through the MIDI Maps to use program >change messages to control the loop. And MIDI clock is supported. >One of the neat things about this system (and the MPX 1) is the way the tempo >system is constructed. You can syncronize bunches of stuff to the tempo (LFOs, >delays, flanges, etc..) and this rolls over into the JamMan stuff. You >can, for >instance, have a flange perfectly syncronized to a loop. The ability to pitch >shift is also real nice; you can use it to put a bass line on your loop, >etc... >I might eventually try to move the multi loop thing over to the product but it >would have to replace the reverb algorithm that is normally available when >looping (looping is done in the Delay block). Still, that would free up the >delay block so it might still be interesting. Hope this is helpful! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 16:53:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA31008; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:53:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:53:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <3670ac72.36a64c1c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:35:24 EST To: juliomoreno@bahianet.com.br, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Concerned about Live Performance...and... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"mlCqV1.0.Sz6.7nafs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/20/99 11:48:59 AM, Julio wrote: >i been playing bars and night clubs ( included strip shows), also big > >arenas with dance bands, rock bands, cover bands and experimental bands...i > >just learn that most important thing is:.... Hey, Julio, thanks! a most enjoyable piece of wisdom and a great reminder of what's generally regarded on planet Earth as one of the "primary" functions of music (and dare I say musicians?). I've been grinning over this all day! (...but, now back to outer space--have delay, will travel;;)) dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 17:27:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA03094; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:27:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:27:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990120160506.007c2630@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:05:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance In-Reply-To: <01be4415$0d1da080$c87cf2d0@chester> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"H0H4w2.0.fx7.ZBbfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While I certainly enjoy the studio sessions that we've done with looping and our other experiments, I really feel that (for us, at least...) live performance is where it's at. Our music is so in the moment (complete improvisation...) and our playing style so violent at times (frightening some audience members...oh well, what can one do?) that the live situation is too fun to give up. I wonder about what venues are better for improvising and experimental groups and individuals. The bar scene has definitely been less that wonderful for us, while fesitvals and more intimate settings have been great. No matter what, however, there's always someone there who enjoys it and makes a point to say so. That always makes it worthwhile--even if most folks seem to be preoccupied with other things during the performance. Jeff McLeod http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ At 08:34 PM 1/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > Thanks for the many responses regarding my recent post about audience >applause during loop performance. I guess my main concern is that the >subtlety of quiet passages is often lost in live performance. It seems >easy to hold an audiences attention when the sonics are dramatic and bold >but when the piece turns towards nuance and minimalism things tend to get >sticky. Its almost as if a live audience is uncomfortable with spacial >loops to the point of nervous applause. Our greatest successes are when we >are playing to an extremely attentive group focused on the sound. This is >rare as chatter and external influences always seem to contribute to the >sonic landscape. I don't want to come across as a demanding performer but >I know the power of our music lies in its wide dynamic range-- delicate >textures to corse bold blasts. Is looping too intimate for live settings? >Are we too boring visually? I too wish everyone in the audience was >wearing headphones. Too much seems to be sacrificed. Perhaps recording is >our best direction. Feedback? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 19:29:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA29982; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:35:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:35:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <36A50559.1FE9858C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:33:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: My EDP cuts in abruptly on volume pedal swells Resent-Message-ID: <"r4lAF1.0.Hm6.BxXfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers, I've recently noticed that when I try to swell the volume on the beginning of a loop on my EDP, you don't hear the whole swell, the sound just cuts on at a certain point, maybe when it hits an audio threshold(?). I have the threshold parameter set to 0 and when I hit record the EDP does start recording instantly but the audio still cuts in abruptly not gradually swelling in. I seem to remember in the early days of Looper's Delight someone, maybe Andre LaFosse(?), had a problem with this, and since I didn't have an EDP at that time I don't remember now what the solution was/is. I don't have time to search the website right now so I thought someone here might comment or have some suggestions until I get time to look around. Thanks in advance! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 21:54:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA18947; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:54:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:54:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A693D2.80EEF1BD@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:41:22 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Re:Orders and memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Dj8l8.0.n14.qDffs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greetings- Thanks for the info Kim- I found 4mb 30 pin simms(parity, shouldn't matter, right?- I'll look in the manual!! ;) today for about $16 each so I bought 4 of 'em- I will be ready! Someone wrote- I stopped by Alto Music yesterday ( looking for my much needed footpedal...) and spoke with John about the EDP orders - He's doing his best to make sure they arrive to his store soon so he can ship them before he leaves for NAMM. Apparently Gibson is in the midst of moving warehouses or something like that and that's why there's a delay. I spoke with my shop today regarding my order's status and he said it would take about a week to get mine because they were changing warehouses AND distributors- I also saw that someone mentioned that Alto music had ordered all that was left- I hope there is one left for ME!!! ;^0 P.S. i will have the scanned article by the end of the week- Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 22:15:52 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22295; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:15:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:15:52 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A69AB4.CD4DFE4B@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:10:44 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Re:Memory access time requirements Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WO1m82.0.RD5.Kfffs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ok, I looked in the manual in the section on memory and it states that one of the requirements is that the memory have 120ns access time or better- I just bought 4 simms and the package has 60ns written on it- now I am worried that they may not work properly but I am not sure if the 60ns written on the label refers to the access time or not- anyone have a clue? Oops, ok, I just called the store and they said that the 60ns refers to the speed or refresh rate of the chip itself- so, if the access time needs to be 120ns and the chip refreshes at 60ns- then the 60ns chips exceed the requirement- the chip will refresh and be available for access every 60ns- twice as fast as the minimum requirement- Just thought someone might find that interesting! Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 22:18:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22726; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:18:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:18:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1671cd03.36a69ae8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:11:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: mainstream..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"1RBSH2.0.pJ5.Hiffs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ola all.......just watched the movie "smoke-signals" a nice flick.....the final music in the movie was wonderful so i paid close attention to the credits and lo and behold after the gaffers and the electritions there was the catagory "looping group" after which was listed several names then the list of other musical contributors.....they are coming out of the closet!.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 22:32:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA24858; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:32:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:32:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A69DA2.AB2A34D6@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:23:14 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: Loopers cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MMucc3.0.7f5.3rffs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Is there a secure way to order the Loopers-Delight cd 2? Also, is the first cd still available? The order page is not encrypted and I kind of hesitate... Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 23:18:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA32311; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:18:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:18:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:03:23 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"PNyTY1.0.fU7.YWgfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com To all, I think a mixture of looping and poetry, or looping with small theater pieces (vignettes) would make a great program. I'm working on that very idea at the moment. And, of course, a light show to go along with it. I'll let you know how it turns out. Ducking great masses of flying vegetables or whatever... Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 20 23:37:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA04196; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:37:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:37:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990121042656.18978.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:26:56 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Loopers cd To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"o4I401.0.Hc.0rgfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Send me the money. I'll take care of you. randy jones ---Clifford Novey wrote: > > Is there a secure way to order the Loopers-Delight cd 2? Also, is the > first cd still available? The order page is not encrypted and I kind of > hesitate... > > Cliff > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 01:49:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA26598; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:49:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:49:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Texture444@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:42:36 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: mainstream..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Resent-Message-ID: <"hgEWR1.0.uD6.hmifs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 01/20/1999 10:20:21 PM, Nemoguitt writ thusly: >just watched the movie "smoke-signals" a nice flick.....the >final music in the movie was wonderful so i paid close attention to the >credits and lo and behold after the gaffers and the electritions there >was the >catagory "looping group" after which was listed several names then the >list of >other musical contributors.....they are coming out of the >closet!.........michael i's pretty sure that those're the folks who stick the non-real-time dialogue into the picture. best, dt From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 02:15:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA30775; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:15:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:15:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901210708.XAA22881@f67.hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [208.251.201.72] From: "Bob Campbell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: dual loop technique? Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:08:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"XUe3u1.0.zE7.D8jfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique ideas are of interest. Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 02:38:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA01858; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:38:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:38:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990121073624.006f88a4@blkbox.com> X-Sender: gonzo@blkbox.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:36:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mister McKnight Subject: Re: a few other thoughts- no loop content Resent-Message-ID: <"bdJqm2.0.UC.IUjfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What are the musical rules to avant garde music? I'm afraid I just don't know what this is... At 10:41 AM 1/18/99 EST, you wrote: > > ><< > "The trouble with avant garde music is that it has lost its original > > meaning and > > now has as many rules and clich=E9s as country or rock & roll. If in 50 > > years > > time they will look back at the early 1980s, or whenever, and say that > > was the > > new avant garde era, that event must be avoided if we are to remain > > true" >=20 >< I don't get this statement... what was the original meaning? There is= great > music being done right now that is devoid of any cliches or rules... if= you > dont wanna call it avant-garde, then call it something else. I'm sure the > musicians won't care what you call it!> > >Avant Garde? I'd have to say that the 'free improvised' music I have seen= =20 >recently has been somewhat predictable in terms of the structure of=20 >the pieces, the way in which the players interact, and much of the=20 >content of the individual players. Although I've seen a couple of soloists >to whom this doesn't apply. > >Seems to me it's possible to be 'avant garde' without being an innovator. > >Is it possible to have music without rules? Perhaps the interest lies in >the way the rules mutate. > >How many times does a loop go round before it gets to be >a cliche. > >Andy Butler =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 02:44:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA02691; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:44:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 02:44:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990121013854.007bb4e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:38:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: Loopers cd In-Reply-To: <36A69DA2.AB2A34D6@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8eMsy1.0.aR.Tbjfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 07:23 PM 1/20/99 -0800, you wrote: >Is there a secure way to order the Loopers-Delight cd 2? Also, is the >first cd still available? The order page is not encrypted and I kind of >hesitate... > >Cliff Cliff, And hesitate you SHOULD! I've recently been a victim of hacking and have had nearly $200 whacked onto my check card. You definitely should use a browser support 128 bit encryption and ONLY order from secure sites. Even then, I'm STILL worried after being hacked! Good luck. Just thought I'd post this warning for all the online music shoppers! Sincerely, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 04:43:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA15493; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:43:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:43:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:28:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Just bought an EDP... Resent-Message-ID: <"uUDI31.0.Oa3.JMlfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 3:21 AM -0800 1/20/99, Esteban Delgado wrote: >Are these SIMMs available from a music store, or does one have to go to >Radio Shack or some such place? Also, are they easy to install? you should be able to get them from any place that sells computer memory. Installing is just like in a computer, you should have no trouble finding someone to do it if you don't feel comfortable with that. It's easy though, they just plug into the sockets on the PCB. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 04:43:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA15506; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:43:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:43:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <36A50559.1FE9858C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:25:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: My EDP cuts in abruptly on volume pedal swells Resent-Message-ID: <"vlPb53.0.0a3.GMlfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Hi Loopers, > >I've recently noticed that when I try to swell the volume on the beginning >of a loop on my EDP, you don't hear the whole swell, the sound just cuts on >at a certain point, maybe when it hits an audio threshold(?). I have the >threshold parameter set to 0 and when I hit record the EDP does start >recording instantly but the audio still cuts in abruptly not gradually >swelling in. I seem to remember in the early days of Looper's Delight >someone, maybe Andre LaFosse(?), had a problem with this, and since I >didn't have an EDP at that time I don't remember now what the solution >was/is. I don't have time to search the website right now so I thought >someone here might comment or have some suggestions until I get time to >look around. Seems like you are encountering the software noise gate we have in the loop path, which is supposed to be very unobtrusive. Andre was having a similar problem once upon a time. Andre's complaint had to do with the old Loop3.3.2 software, where the gate threshold was set too high, so it was much too obvious and irritating. In the current software we set it much lower, where it shouldn't be obvious now. If you are hearing it, I think maybe you have the gains set a bit off. Try turning the input up a bit (but not enough to clip!) and the output down to compensate. Ideally, you should have no trouble with volume swells cutting in like that. The gate threshold should be far below usual signal levels. Since I *know* you're gonna ask, the gate is there to serve two purposes. One is so you can leave Overdub on (or have it in delay mode) without normally small system noises building up to a huge level in the loops. The second reason is for Undo. If you have left Overdub on, we use the gate threshold to tell if you are actually playing something into the loop. If you are not, we want to stay in the same memory rather than recording into new memory. That way, when you press Undo it takes away something you meant to record into the loop, rather than some little bit of noise that you were not aware was being recorded. This makes Undo much more predictable and easier to use than it otherwise would be. (this is in the FAQ, BTW :-) again, try adjusting the in/out levels to a better spot. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 04:46:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA15753; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:46:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:46:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990121013854.007bb4e0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <36A69DA2.AB2A34D6@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 01:01:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers cd Resent-Message-ID: <"3wmyz.0.iZ3.EMlfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 07:23 PM 1/20/99 -0800, you wrote: >>Is there a secure way to order the Loopers-Delight cd 2? Also, is the >>first cd still available? The order page is not encrypted and I kind of >>hesitate... >> >>Cliff > >Cliff, > And hesitate you SHOULD! I've recently been a victim of hacking and >have >had nearly $200 whacked onto my check card. You definitely should use a >browser support 128 bit encryption and ONLY order from secure sites. Even >then, I'm STILL worried after being hacked! Good luck. Just thought I'd >post this warning for all the online music shoppers! And even with secure 128bit encryption, the dude at the shoe store can still copy down your card number and buy himself a new stereo. Oh the paranoia! I had over $2000 charged on my phone card for international calls all over the world one day. By a nefarious hacker? no, just some guy looking over my shoulder and selling the # at the airport...(phone company reversed it, naturally) Really, it's best to move to a shack in Montana. or maybe apply statistical probabilities to your worries. or just send Matt a check in the mail. that's safe. isn't it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 06:37:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA29322; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:37:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:37:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:22:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dual loop technique? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"ysGAG1.0.1j6.Btmfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i used to feed a jamman into a digitech looper and then speed or slow down snippets of the loop. conversely, you could feed a slowed or sped up loop into the jamman and then reverse the whole mess. fun, fun, fun!!! pj From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 09:47:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA17170; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:47:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:47:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950CF135@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Just bought an EDP... Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:36:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xrdr01.0.Ru3.ykpfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >...the unit ships with 4 1mb simms... It does? That's great for new EDP owners. I remember the days I thought that 12.5 seconds of looping time (or 91.4 second loops) was pure luxury. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 10:34:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA25312; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:34:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:34:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:52:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: dual loop technique? Resent-Message-ID: <"zHHeu.0.rV5.rOqfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 1/20/99 Bob Campbell wrote: >I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices >can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically >interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique >ideas are of interest. Well to some degree this would depend on the music that you are creating. The obvious would be to lay down bass lines on one and perhaps harmonies on the others, drum tracks, etc on the other and then solo over it. In FingerPaint we are concerned with creating ambient soundscapes, Frequently we have four or more looping devices going at one time. Seldom are they synced ion any fashion. Rather they tend to be of different unspecific lengths. Then in the words of Buckminster Fuller we "allow the information to brush against one another." We may then play over top of this or leave it as is. This is also an approach that Eno has frequently used on his "sound installations", with the exception that Eno uses various lengths of prerecorded tapes and tape machines. Thus his "loops" can be very very long. At times as long as 30 minutes. Listen to the "Shotuv Assembly" by Eno for an illustration of this. You can also set your Jam Man in delay mode and have decaying long delays brushing against one another. Personally I do not like to set the feed back level too high in this scenario since the drop in sound volume is quite drastic in the jam man with very high repeats. I suspect this is one of the major advantages of the TC 2290's that Fripp loves to use. I've yet to experiment with this on my rather new Echoplex. And then of course you can combine one machine in loop mode and one in delay mode. My partner Steve Geest loves to use this approach. On the first Looper's CD we were both using this approach with two jam men each to create the piece "Sirens of Titan." Finally do not forget the multiple loops functions available to you. This can lead to many interesting results in the above configurations. Although it can be challenging to come up with equally interesting loops when you are locked in by the first loop length. So play with your machines, don't forget to investigte the "fade" mode available to you if you use MIDI with your jam men. And most important in your looping education, immediately purchase your copy of Looper's CD # 2 ( and number one when ever it is available) and hear what other's on this list are doing. Then dive off and play. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT Shockwave audio featuring our newest release Primary Colors:Blue www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 11:35:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10570; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:35:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901211616.OAA22658@postman.bahianet.com.br> Reply-To: From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Re: dual loop technique?RE Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:04:28 -0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cXzMC3.0.lH1.nArfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- > From: Bob Campbell > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: dual loop technique? > Date: Quinta-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 1999 05:08 > > > I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices > can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically > interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique > ideas are of interest. > > Bob > >Hi Bob! im playing live with a power trio format with a Paradis without sync...i been thinking to use the brother-sync feature with other guy in the band who plays sax,didgeridoos and other weird stuff.The idea is :when i control the lenght of the loop, sometimes using the beat-sync feature , he can play freely and change instruments without worried about...and viceversa: when he controls, i can put lots of guitars just watchin to the marshall going feedback and noises...This idea its not on the road yet, but i think its not imposible! sorry about my english... Julio Moreno. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 11:36:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10915; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:36:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:36:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901211616.OAA22661@postman.bahianet.com.br> Reply-To: From: "Julio Moreno" To: Subject: Fw: Concerned about Live Performance...and... Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:15:40 -0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JgZzn.0.xH1.pArfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ---------- > From: Julio Moreno > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Concerned about Live Performance...and... > Date: Quarta-feira, 20 de Janeiro de 1999 14:34 > > i been playing bars and night clubs ( included strip shows), also big > arenas with dance bands, rock bands, cover bands and experimental bands...i > just learn that most important thing is: there man waiting for women and > women waiting for man, others are just waiting for drugs and a few are > concerned about musicians and perfomance.The people just want a happy > enviroment...i learn to be carefull with minor keys...you can play 1 hour > in Cm, and make the audience go down etc. Happy enviroment to find laugh, > relax, sex, relashionship, friendship etc.Santana always check the groove > looking at the women in the audience, the way they react is a important > parameter for his rhythm aproach and futures perfomances ( i think he looks > others "parts" too hahahah!)...anyway rhythm transitions between songs are > very important too. When you play at a night club there diferents "times" > into the whole night : before the first beer...after the trird...the end of > night ( after a various whiskies) seems to be the most wonderfull time to > deep feelings stuff ...some people "needs" to talk loud when the music is > going ( be comprensive...you are doing a social service too hahaha)...ok...just a few statments for the loop comunity from a south > american musician. Good health and music for everybody!!! > Julio. > ---------- > > From: Tim Nelson > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance > > Date: Quarta-feira, 20 de Janeiro de 1999 13:25 > > > > >Or you could just enjoy the old trick of fooling them into thinking its > the > > >end, and just as they start to clap, go into the really loud section > that's > > >obviously the same piece. Smile wickedly when you do this. > > > > March 23rd, 1792: Haydn's Symphony #94 ("The Surprise Symphony") > premieres > > in London. > > > > It'd be great to have a time machine to check out the audience reaction > on > > THIS one! Or imagine the Haydn interview in the April 1792 issue of > > "Today's Composer" where he explains how he came to feel the need for > such > > extremes of dynamic range; "...Well, they just weren't paying attention, > > and I said to myself 'Joseph, you've got to wake those buggers up', and > > started going through my 'orchestral stab' samples, and next thing you > > know..." > > > > Live audiences have always been prone to distraction. It's only natural > to > > look around and check out a room full of interesting-looking strangers at > a > > public gathering, especially in the hyper-social setting of a nightclub > or > > bar (or a concert hall, or an art gallery, or the mall, etc.). It would > be > > NICE if everyone would sit and listen intently, but it's probably not > going > > to happen very often, and this is not always an indication that the music > > being presented is in itself boring or that the band's presentation is > not > > worth watching. It's just that there's a lot going on in the room, and > > that's just part of live performance... > > One advantage we have over Haydn is that we can sell CD's at our live > > shows, so that some of the audience can take the music HOME and put on > > those headphones... We can take advantage of two very different means of > > presenting the music, live AND recorded, and each can enrich the other. > > > > Maybe Hi Fi Bugs could start off with a few pieces of a more conventional > > length/dynamic range to hook the crowd, and THEN preface the longer ones > > with the sort of communication/explanation Kim wrote of once the room has > > settled in a bit. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Tim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 12:52:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA13732; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:52:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:52:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:55:01 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Re:Memory access time requirements X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xJ7qY2.0.Kk1.rNsfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com So, when I order these, do I just say "4 4MB SIMMs", or do I have to be more specific (60ns, 120ns, etc.)? Thanks, Steve Delgado -- On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:10:44 Clifford Novey wrote: >Ok, I looked in the manual in the section on memory and it states that >one of the requirements is that the memory have 120ns access time or >better- >I just bought 4 simms and the package has 60ns written on it- now I am >worried that they may not work properly but I am not sure if the 60ns >written on the label refers to the access time or not- anyone have a >clue? > >Oops, ok, I just called the store and they said that the 60ns refers to >the speed or refresh rate of the chip itself- so, if the access time >needs to be 120ns and the chip refreshes at 60ns- then the 60ns chips >exceed the requirement- the chip will refresh and be available for >access every 60ns- twice as fast as the minimum requirement- > >Just thought someone might find that interesting! > >Cliff > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 13:52:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA00577; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:52:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:52:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1671cd03.36a69ae8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:36:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: mainstream..... Resent-Message-ID: <"rn4Js2.0.LH7.oKtfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >ola all.......just watched the movie "smoke-signals" a nice flick.....the >final music in the movie was wonderful so i paid close attention to the >credits and lo and behold after the gaffers and the electritions there was the >catagory "looping group" after which was listed several names then the list of >other musical contributors.....they are coming out of the >closet!.........michael Looping in the movie3 industry refers to a dialog replacement technique and comes from the past when replacement dialog was stored on loops of analog tape or mag stock tape. Edwin Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 14:02:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA03279; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:02:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:02:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A635BB.AAD93C8C@Buddhas.de> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:59:55 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: lexicon mpx g2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-online.de From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Resent-Message-ID: <"fLub72.0.8z7.IRtfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Ed, sorry to bother you off topic, but I tried unsuccesfully to contact Bob Sellon with regard to his JamMan Mod Eproms. Now as Ed Drake wrote: > I have not had a chance to try the MPX G2, but here is a message that Bob > Sellon from Lexicon sent to me recently regarding this item: Is there any way you could supply me a valid email address of his? Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 15:42:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA23897; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:42:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:42:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <714588e3.36a78e2b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:29:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Digital recording Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 176 Resent-Message-ID: <"CRIYf1.0.WH5.ivufs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 19/01/99 23:14:10 GMT, you write: << The price difference could be the included software that Layla has, but Aark 20/20 apparently doesn't. >> Layla has midi IN/OUT/THROUGH and S/PDif in/out (.but only 8 inputs) audio i/o is balanced on 1/4 jacks. looks like you've got a bargain there Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 16:59:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA04474; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:59:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:59:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF84@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: dual loop technique? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:42:02 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"V5oCa3.0.WO.zxvfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bob, i work with a single JamMan. However, when i do multiple loops, i often do it manually. That is, i do it using polyphonic instruments, e.g. stick or piano, and/or i employ multiple players. So, this may or may not be on target as the kind of technique in which you might be interested. However, what i do is to think very much about the 'phase' structure of the piece. i relate each loop to a common tick (finest audible subdivision of the beat). But, i try to emphasize a different pulse in each loop. This gives the soloist or improvisational voice the opportunity to mix pulses. i look to create loops where the different pulses get maximally out of phase and then come together for a kind of tension-release effect. For example, i may have one loop with a strong 5/4 pulse and another with a strong 4/4 pulse. If the shortest note (in both loops) is an 1/8th note, then they are synchronized by an 1/8th note tick. In this case, if both loops are 1 measure long, then they would come together every 40 ticks (assuming the measures don't repeat internally). i then try to write my loops to maximize the tension, via harmonic structure, dissonance, dynamics, etc. just before the 41st tick, and then resolve on the 41st tick. This technique gets more interesting when the loops are more than one measure long. In the example above, 40 ticks is 5 measures of 4/4, and 4 measures of 5/4. That is, if we repeat a single measure of 4/4 5 times it will line up exactly with a loop that repeats a single measure of 5/4 4 times. If we then make the 5/4 loop be two measures long, each measure observably distinct, then we don't have a real line up, i.e. pulse and note values line up, until 80 ticks go by. But, we have the pulses lining up at the 40 tick mark. Similarly, every 20 ticks there is a mini-"node point", where a subdivision of the beats of the two loops come together. By playing with mounting the tension and resolving, slightly on these internal node points, you can create really interesting effects. Note: i have intentionally left out what i think increases tension because i think that's different for different ears. Tritones, for example, make me happy. Another interesting technique is to create an 'outer' loop which uses the inner loop as 'events'. So, we could use the same 5 against 4 structure in the example above as a guide for triggering the 5/4 loop or the 4/4 loop. The question you have to decide is the duration of the event. If you set it equal to the duration of the longest loop, you only get the loops playing at the same time every 20 'events'. If you set it shorter, you get more overlap. (This approach, imho, seems much a much more promising application of fractals to music. The dimension along which the piece is self-similar is time. The application above says what happens to the structure of the piece as you increase the time dimension. Clearly, you see a similar structure. As you diminish time, the same thing out to happen. More specifically, as you diminish the time, you get closer to the pulse of the frequencies that give rise to our experience of the note. My (untested!) belief is that if this pulse is related by a number of iterations of an IFS to the musicians experience of the basic pulse(s) of the piece, then you get appealing noise.) Finally, it may seem to many that one must relate each loop to a common tick. But, i would suggest to a person that feels this way to listen to the work of Conlon Nancarrow, who uses player pianos to do looping and other interesting and related things. He sets the rhythmic relationships between the voices (take this to mean a generalized notion of a loop) to be non-integral numbers. In fact, some of his pieces have voices progressing with respect to each other at a rate measured by a transcendental number (i.e., it's not even rational). i hope this helps. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell [SMTP:astropulse@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: dual loop technique? I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique ideas are of interest. Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 17:10:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06485; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:10:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:10:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF85@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: dual loop technique? errata Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:55:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"3cMgN.0.Gv.68wfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Bob, Just for the record, in the last sentence, i meant to say: 'i.e., it's not even algebraic.' Obviously, there are irrational numbers which are not transcendental. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Greg Meredith Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:42 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: dual loop technique? Bob, i work with a single JamMan. However, when i do multiple loops, i often do it manually. That is, i do it using polyphonic instruments, e.g. stick or piano, and/or i employ multiple players. So, this may or may not be on target as the kind of technique in which you might be interested. However, what i do is to think very much about the 'phase' structure of the piece. i relate each loop to a common tick (finest audible subdivision of the beat). But, i try to emphasize a different pulse in each loop. This gives the soloist or improvisational voice the opportunity to mix pulses. i look to create loops where the different pulses get maximally out of phase and then come together for a kind of tension-release effect. For example, i may have one loop with a strong 5/4 pulse and another with a strong 4/4 pulse. If the shortest note (in both loops) is an 1/8th note, then they are synchronized by an 1/8th note tick. In this case, if both loops are 1 measure long, then they would come together every 40 ticks (assuming the measures don't repeat internally). i then try to write my loops to maximize the tension, via harmonic structure, dissonance, dynamics, etc. just before the 41st tick, and then resolve on the 41st tick. This technique gets more interesting when the loops are more than one measure long. In the example above, 40 ticks is 5 measures of 4/4, and 4 measures of 5/4. That is, if we repeat a single measure of 4/4 5 times it will line up exactly with a loop that repeats a single measure of 5/4 4 times. If we then make the 5/4 loop be two measures long, each measure observably distinct, then we don't have a real line up, i.e. pulse and note values line up, until 80 ticks go by. But, we have the pulses lining up at the 40 tick mark. Similarly, every 20 ticks there is a mini-"node point", where a subdivision of the beats of the two loops come together. By playing with mounting the tension and resolving, slightly on these internal node points, you can create really interesting effects. Note: i have intentionally left out what i think increases tension because i think that's different for different ears. Tritones, for example, make me happy. Another interesting technique is to create an 'outer' loop which uses the inner loop as 'events'. So, we could use the same 5 against 4 structure in the example above as a guide for triggering the 5/4 loop or the 4/4 loop. The question you have to decide is the duration of the event. If you set it equal to the duration of the longest loop, you only get the loops playing at the same time every 20 'events'. If you set it shorter, you get more overlap. (This approach, imho, seems much a much more promising application of fractals to music. The dimension along which the piece is self-similar is time. The application above says what happens to the structure of the piece as you increase the time dimension. Clearly, you see a similar structure. As you diminish time, the same thing out to happen. More specifically, as you diminish the time, you get closer to the pulse of the frequencies that give rise to our experience of the note. My (untested!) belief is that if this pulse is related by a number of iterations of an IFS to the musicians experience of the basic pulse(s) of the piece, then you get appealing noise.) Finally, it may seem to many that one must relate each loop to a common tick. But, i would suggest to a person that feels this way to listen to the work of Conlon Nancarrow, who uses player pianos to do looping and other interesting and related things. He sets the rhythmic relationships between the voices (take this to mean a generalized notion of a loop) to be non-integral numbers. In fact, some of his pieces have voices progressing with respect to each other at a rate measured by a transcendental number (i.e., it's not even rational). i hope this helps. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell [SMTP:astropulse@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: dual loop technique? I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique ideas are of interest. Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 18:47:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA25589; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:47:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:47:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A7BAAF.3154010B@Buddhas.de> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:39:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: lexicon mpx g2 References: <36A635BB.AAD93C8C@Buddhas.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320024095934-0001@t-online.de From: Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de (Manfred Bohnhoff) Resent-Message-ID: <"KEDBU1.0.mn5.bgxfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ooops, this was supposed to be a private email. My apologies. Manfred From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 20:03:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA07575; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:03:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:03:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A7CD32.20556944@texas.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:58:29 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dual loop technique? References: <199901210708.XAA22881@f67.hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dwJAD.0.BV1.qoyfs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com i like the idea of 2 looping (or more) in parallel, w/different fx on each. different time lengths are neat. i suppose if you were running a 1202 or some such you could feed the looping things signal from aux's 1 & 2 so they could be parallel but still be able to stack/overdub onto eachother. neat neat neat. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 21 23:50:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10907; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:50:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:50:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:43:04 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Err message on EDP? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"soPDz3.0.ZM2.270gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I got my EDP a few days ago and now i go to turn in on and it just says "Err" THeres nothign about that in the manual? What do i do? Rodrigo Kriist@Aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 00:51:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA22949; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:51:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:51:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "James Ko" To: Subject: Dual Loop Techniques Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:41:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: <0ad161138051619CPIMSSMTPU01@email.msn.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Mhsap2.0.6G4.Qw0gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all: A novice looper here and I am intreged by the dual looping thing. In fact, I am awaiting for the EDP from the group purchase to put along side my present one and I intend to run them brother synched and in stereo. And indeed I have just bought a 1202 so thanks to bobdog for the additional stacking/overdubbing suggestion. An effect that I want to try to do is to first pan the two units hard left and right and create loops that continuously pan from one side to the other. To do this on the fly, I need a stereo pan pedal that goes to both EDPs. Question: Am I going to have any problems with the EPDs with this? and.... Does anyone know of a panning pedal (l assume it should look like a volume pedal)? I recall that Ernie Ball/Music Man used to carry one of these a while back. Does anyone know if it still exists? Any other company make them? Thanks to all. Jim Ko Philadelphia, PA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 02:55:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA10977; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:55:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 02:55:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: spat@visi.com Posted-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:50:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990122074855.00698814@mail.visi.com> X-Sender: spat@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:48:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: panning pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"hNEN32.0.YV2.jr2gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Does anyone know of a panning pedal (l assume it should look like a volume >pedal)? I recall that Ernie Ball/Music Man used to carry one of these a >while back. Does anyone know if it still exists? Any other company make >them? Rolls makes a stereo volume pedal that pans (and can be used as a CV pedal for a vortex) and Morley made a panner that was a standard vol pedal that actually pivoted from side to side. The Rolls is model #RFX402P and runs about $45. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 04:23:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA20446; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:23:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:23:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A8406B.326E819E@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:10:04 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: SIMM speed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"brJmH.0.0i4.704gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Steve wrote: So, when I order these, do I just say "4 4MB SIMMs", or do I have to be more specific (60ns, 120ns, etc.)? Thanks, Steve Delgado Steve- I think at this point even the cheapest simm you can find would be faster than 120ns- but it would be a good idea to check just in case to be sure that it is at least 120ns or a lower number such as 60ns, as the manual states it needs 120ns minimum. It sounds like the EDP has been out for awhile- I heard the 4mb memory cost $200 each when it first came out! When exactly did this incarnation of the EDP come to be? Patiently waiting...(for MY EDP that is), Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 04:43:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA22289; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:43:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:43:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A84261.FEE68F23@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:18:25 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dual loop technique? References: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF84@RED-MSG-06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RXkpM3.0.js4.z74gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sorry to quote such a lengthy post but I had to respond to the following description. Greg, I like the sound of your idea- but it gets very cerebral to me with it all in writing- how about an example made available on your website (if you have one, if you are able) I just cant "think through it" without simply wanting to HEAR what you are talking about- Only a suggestion... It makes me think of J. McLaughlin- the odd times and another pattern merging with the first- (I love McLaughlin) Cliff Greg Meredith wrote: > Bob, > > i work with a single JamMan. However, when i do multiple loops, i often do > it manually. That is, i do it using polyphonic instruments, e.g. stick or > piano, and/or i employ multiple players. So, this may or may not be on > target as the kind of technique in which you might be interested. > > However, what i do is to think very much about the 'phase' structure of the > piece. i relate each loop to a common tick (finest audible subdivision of > the beat). But, i try to emphasize a different pulse in each loop. This > gives the soloist or improvisational voice the opportunity to mix pulses. i > look to create loops where the different pulses get maximally out of phase > and then come together for a kind of tension-release effect. > > For example, i may have one loop with a strong 5/4 pulse and another with a > strong 4/4 pulse. If the shortest note (in both loops) is an 1/8th note, > then they are synchronized by an 1/8th note tick. In this case, if both > loops are 1 measure long, then they would come together every 40 ticks > (assuming the measures don't repeat internally). i then try to write my > loops to maximize the tension, via harmonic structure, dissonance, dynamics, > etc. just before the 41st tick, and then resolve on the 41st tick. > > This technique gets more interesting when the loops are more than one > measure long. In the example above, 40 ticks is 5 measures of 4/4, and 4 > measures of 5/4. That is, if we repeat a single measure of 4/4 5 times it > will line up exactly with a loop that repeats a single measure of 5/4 4 > times. If we then make the 5/4 loop be two measures long, each measure > observably distinct, then we don't have a real line up, i.e. pulse and note > values line up, until 80 ticks go by. But, we have the pulses lining up at > the 40 tick mark. Similarly, every 20 ticks there is a mini-"node point", > where a subdivision of the beats of the two loops come together. By playing > with mounting the tension and resolving, slightly on these internal node > points, you can create really interesting effects. > > Note: i have intentionally left out what i think increases tension because i > think that's different for different ears. Tritones, for example, make me > happy. > > Another interesting technique is to create an 'outer' loop which uses the > inner loop as 'events'. So, we could use the same 5 against 4 structure in > the example above as a guide for triggering the 5/4 loop or the 4/4 loop. > The question you have to decide is the duration of the event. If you set it > equal to the duration of the longest loop, you only get the loops playing at > the same time every 20 'events'. If you set it shorter, you get more > overlap. > > (This approach, imho, seems much a much more promising application of > fractals to music. The dimension along which the piece is self-similar is > time. The application above says what happens to the structure of the piece > as you increase the time dimension. Clearly, you see a similar structure. As > you diminish time, the same thing out to happen. More specifically, as you > diminish the time, you get closer to the pulse of the frequencies that give > rise to our experience of the note. My (untested!) belief is that if this > pulse is related by a number of iterations of an IFS to the musicians > experience of the basic pulse(s) of the piece, then you get appealing > noise.) > > Finally, it may seem to many that one must relate each loop to a common > tick. But, i would suggest to a person that feels this way to listen to the > work of Conlon Nancarrow, who uses player pianos to do looping and other > interesting and related things. He sets the rhythmic relationships between > the voices (take this to mean a generalized notion of a loop) to be > non-integral numbers. In fact, some of his pieces have voices progressing > with respect to each other at a rate measured by a transcendental number > (i.e., it's not even rational). > > i hope this helps. > > --greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Campbell [SMTP:astropulse@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: dual loop technique? > > I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices > can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically > interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique > ideas are of interest. > > Bob > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 05:05:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA24475; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:05:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 05:05:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990122095545.9422.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:55:45 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: dual loop technique? errata To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"8WlbS1.0.2i5.Mi4gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Of course it's obvious! The only reason I pulled off my shoes was to check your work. John ---Greg Meredith wrote: > > Bob, > > Just for the record, in the last sentence, i meant to say: 'i.e., it's not > even algebraic.' Obviously, there are irrational numbers which are not > transcendental. > > --greg == John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 07:13:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA08713; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:13:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:13:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 03:34:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Err message on EDP? Resent-Message-ID: <"wTVTW.0.de1.cS6gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 8:43 PM -0800 1/21/99, Kriist@aol.com wrote: >I got my EDP a few days ago and now i go to turn in on and it just says "Err" >THeres nothign about that in the manual? > >What do i do? do you have everything connected to it correctly? It says "err" when something weird is happening at one of the connectors at power up. You might try unplugging everything from the back and see if it still does that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 09:31:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA27945; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:31:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:31:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:02:21 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199901221402.JAA29520@badboy.micro.lucent.com> Content-Type: text Apparently-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"5UteO3.0.Vb5.bI8gs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #98 January 21, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I continued the month-long focus on electronic music pioneer, Wendy Carlos. For background information, please point your web browser to the WDIY web site or visit the... Wendy Carlos web site: http://www.wendycarlos.com The feature CD at midnight was "A Clockwork Orance" on East Side Digital. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Wendy Carlos Vocal Synthesis Secrets of Synthesis (CBS) Synergy (Larry Fast) Delta Two Games (Third Contact) Synergy (Larry Fast) Delta Four Games (Third Contact) Paul Nagle Anachronist Lore (SMD) VA [T-Bass UK] Nemesis Is There Anybody Out There...? (Champagne Lakes/AD Music/SMD) Paul Haslinger Fantastic Voyage Score (RGB/HoS) Chuck Wild Balance Liquid Mind III (Chuck Wild) 12:00 am Wendy Carlos Timesteps A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos March from A.C.O. A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos Title Music from A.C.O. A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos La Gazza Ladra A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos Theme from A.C.O. A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos 9th Symphony Mvmt 2 A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos William Tell Overture A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos Orange Minuet A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos Biblical Daydreams A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Wendy Carlos Country Lane A Clockwork Orange (ESD) Frank Van Bogaert Amber Colours (Ace Studio) Spacecraft Destination: Infinity Spacecraft(LektronicSoundscapes) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will conclude the month-long focus on electronic music pioneer, Wendy Carlos. The feature CD at midnight will be "Sonic Seasonings" on East Side Digital. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 11:49:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA20045; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:49:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:49:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36A8A632.251A@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:24:18 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZzlQT1.0.TM3.LJAgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a test. Is the list still up? I haven't received any messages for days! - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 11:47:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19636; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:47:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:47:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:59:44 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: mainstream..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"64uYq.0.NP2.41Ags"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/21/99 4:53:36 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, edwin@indra.com writes: << Looping in the movie3 industry refers to a dialog replacement technique and comes from the past when replacement dialog was stored on loops of analog tape or mag stock tape. >> thanks edwin and dt.......learn something new every day, thats my motto :)........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 13:06:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA03656; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:06:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:06:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: "Loopers-Delight" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:58:37 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Another Radio Show... X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2WLS-3.0.H_7.WbBgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello all, Consider this an invitation to check out my radio show, "The Tuesday Afternoon Mix", which airs -- let's see now, when IS that? -- oh yeah, Tuesday afternoons from 3 -- 5:30 p.m. EST on WFHB, the community radio station for Bloomington, Indiana (broadcasting on RealAudio at www.wfhb.net or visit our website at www.wfhb.org and follow the links). As the name implies, I play a variety of music, but I believe the music I play will appeal particularly to musicians (Berklee College class of '77 here). A representative smattering of artists: Miles, of course; Zawinul/Weather Report, Airto Moreira, Jon Hassel, Bill Laswell, King Crimson, David Torn (some weird guy who plays funny guitar), Ben Neill, The Grassy Knoll, Squarepusher, Scanner, Rinne Radio (a great Finnish band), Hassan Hakmoun, Youssou N'dour, etc. In addition I intend to order the Loopers' Delight CD's, so if any of you are any good, you could be a star (well in my show, anyway). Please note: I regularly make a complete idiot of myself on the air, as I am absolutely not the slick dee-jay type, but then again the music is the main thing. I look forward to your visit. Steve Delgado P.S. I use my life-long nickname, "Chino", as my nom de radio. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 16:03:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA01167; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:03:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:03:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF87@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: dual loop technique? Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:35:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"I3ZkD2.0.y77.S3Egs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Cliff, Fortunately, since i synchronize on a subdivision of the beat, i can write down what i do in standard western musical notation. When i am done with my latest piece, if you want, i will send you a NIFF file of the composition. The LIME tool is a good viewer/editor/player for NIFF. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [SMTP:clifsound@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 1:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dual loop technique? Sorry to quote such a lengthy post but I had to respond to the following description. Greg, I like the sound of your idea- but it gets very cerebral to me with it all in writing- how about an example made available on your website (if you have one, if you are able) I just cant "think through it" without simply wanting to HEAR what you are talking about- Only a suggestion... It makes me think of J. McLaughlin- the odd times and another pattern merging with the first- (I love McLaughlin) Cliff Greg Meredith wrote: > Bob, > > i work with a single JamMan. However, when i do multiple loops, i often do > it manually. That is, i do it using polyphonic instruments, e.g. stick or > piano, and/or i employ multiple players. So, this may or may not be on > target as the kind of technique in which you might be interested. > > However, what i do is to think very much about the 'phase' structure of the > piece. i relate each loop to a common tick (finest audible subdivision of > the beat). But, i try to emphasize a different pulse in each loop. This > gives the soloist or improvisational voice the opportunity to mix pulses. i > look to create loops where the different pulses get maximally out of phase > and then come together for a kind of tension-release effect. > > For example, i may have one loop with a strong 5/4 pulse and another with a > strong 4/4 pulse. If the shortest note (in both loops) is an 1/8th note, > then they are synchronized by an 1/8th note tick. In this case, if both > loops are 1 measure long, then they would come together every 40 ticks > (assuming the measures don't repeat internally). i then try to write my > loops to maximize the tension, via harmonic structure, dissonance, dynamics, > etc. just before the 41st tick, and then resolve on the 41st tick. > > This technique gets more interesting when the loops are more than one > measure long. In the example above, 40 ticks is 5 measures of 4/4, and 4 > measures of 5/4. That is, if we repeat a single measure of 4/4 5 times it > will line up exactly with a loop that repeats a single measure of 5/4 4 > times. If we then make the 5/4 loop be two measures long, each measure > observably distinct, then we don't have a real line up, i.e. pulse and note > values line up, until 80 ticks go by. But, we have the pulses lining up at > the 40 tick mark. Similarly, every 20 ticks there is a mini-"node point", > where a subdivision of the beats of the two loops come together. By playing > with mounting the tension and resolving, slightly on these internal node > points, you can create really interesting effects. > > Note: i have intentionally left out what i think increases tension because i > think that's different for different ears. Tritones, for example, make me > happy. > > Another interesting technique is to create an 'outer' loop which uses the > inner loop as 'events'. So, we could use the same 5 against 4 structure in > the example above as a guide for triggering the 5/4 loop or the 4/4 loop. > The question you have to decide is the duration of the event. If you set it > equal to the duration of the longest loop, you only get the loops playing at > the same time every 20 'events'. If you set it shorter, you get more > overlap. > > (This approach, imho, seems much a much more promising application of > fractals to music. The dimension along which the piece is self-similar is > time. The application above says what happens to the structure of the piece > as you increase the time dimension. Clearly, you see a similar structure. As > you diminish time, the same thing out to happen. More specifically, as you > diminish the time, you get closer to the pulse of the frequencies that give > rise to our experience of the note. My (untested!) belief is that if this > pulse is related by a number of iterations of an IFS to the musicians > experience of the basic pulse(s) of the piece, then you get appealing > noise.) > > Finally, it may seem to many that one must relate each loop to a common > tick. But, i would suggest to a person that feels this way to listen to the > work of Conlon Nancarrow, who uses player pianos to do looping and other > interesting and related things. He sets the rhythmic relationships between > the voices (take this to mean a generalized notion of a loop) to be > non-integral numbers. In fact, some of his pieces have voices progressing > with respect to each other at a rate measured by a transcendental number > (i.e., it's not even rational). > > i hope this helps. > > --greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Campbell [SMTP:astropulse@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 11:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: dual loop technique? > > I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices > can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically > interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique > ideas are of interest. > > Bob > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 16:34:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA06294; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:34:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:34:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36A8EE17.26FF@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:31:03 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: I'm back... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PyWHC1.0.QB1.doEgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I've resubscribed! I don't know how I got unsubscribed, but it's good to be back (in the loop, so to speak). As list messages are echoed back to the sender, I'd like take this opportunity to welcome myself back to the list :) Thanks to Alan Hoover, Patrick Smith and Kim Flint for asking my "Help" message. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 16:49:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA08701; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:49:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:49:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36A8EF40.28B2@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:36:00 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: dual loop technique? References: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF87@RED-MSG-06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wxFAu1.0.TN1.HtEgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg Meredith wrote: > > Cliff, > > Fortunately, since i synchronize on a subdivision of the beat, i can write > down what i do in standard western musical notation. When i am done with my > latest piece, if you want, i will send you a NIFF file of the composition. > The LIME tool is a good viewer/editor/player for NIFF. Your technique sounds fascinating. Please send me a NIFF file as well. Also, where can I find the LIME tool? Is anybody familiar with "change ringing?" I'd be happy to try a short explanation if anybody is interested. Greg, your discussion on how the accents "hunt" through your composition reminds me of how bells ring the changes. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 19:30:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA02886; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:30:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:30:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <649d405e.36a9156a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:18:50 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dual loop technique? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"RgD9w1.0.x9.fMHgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Bob, Used a pair of old fashioned echoplexi, that have since gone to their great rewards, and I went about it in two different ways. The first was similiar to the way that Gary Lucas had his stage setup, wherein he used a switchbox that would allow for a single input and then (in my case) three outputs. One to each of the echoplexi, and then one that went straight to the board. In a nutshell, the object was that I could run a pair of loops in layers, in parallel to each other. Tried out a second such switch so that I could route the signal from the first echoplex into the second, and was only able to really use it for two gigs, after which the first of the aging machines died, and then the second followed quite a bit later on. Anywho, hope this helps out for suggestions. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 20:06:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11775; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:06:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:06:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36A91E8B.3674ABCF@texas.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:57:50 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: GP-100 For Sale, maybe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FaaQi2.0.qP2.CuHgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hi loopists - this is a blatant attempt to sell something. if that bugs you please stop now. since my mind & time are completely occupied w/figuring out my computer studio, i'm thinking about selling my roland gp-100; it, too, wants alot of my time to figure it out. my brain is small so i must prioritize. i'd like to get $500 for it w/book & box. please email me *off list* if interested... bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 20:54:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA19725; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:54:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:54:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <82a9a177.36a9292f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:43:11 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dual loop technique? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"cjAIP2.0.4R4.zZIgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/22/99 4:51:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, dennis@mdbs.com writes: << Is anybody familiar with "change ringing?" I'd be happy to try a short explanation if anybody is interested. Greg, your discussion on how the accents "hunt" through your composition reminds me of how bells ring the changes. - Dennis Leas -- >> Yes, what is change ringing? rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 21:00:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA20800; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:00:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:00:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <8cd34f5.36a9279f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:36:31 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Err message on EDP? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"tqFAJ3.0.hF4.6UIgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/22/99 7:14:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, kflint@annihilist.com writes: << At 8:43 PM -0800 1/21/99, Kriist@aol.com wrote: >I got my EDP a few days ago and now i go to turn in on and it just says "Err" >THeres nothign about that in the manual? > >What do i do? do you have everything connected to it correctly? It says "err" when something weird is happening at one of the connectors at power up. You might try unplugging everything from the back and see if it still does that. kim >> Shortly after sending the mail i did jus that, i unplugged it all and tried again, it thankfully worked.........phew! oh, is the mute button supposed to cut my audio right away?, or after 2 presses? rodrigo kriist@Aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 22 23:23:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10510; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:23:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:23:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990123041308.00e273e4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:13:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Err message on EDP? Resent-Message-ID: <"Kh_jb2.0.f42.YmKgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 08:36 PM 1/22/99 EST, you wrote: > >oh, is the mute button supposed to cut my audio right away?, or after 2 >presses? > Sounds like you have the Quantize parameter turned on. You might want to read about that a bit in the manual to be sure you understand it. If you turn quantize off, mute will occur immediately like you expect. With Quantize on, it waits to the end of the loop cycle to mute. In any case with quantize on, if you press the function a second time while it is waiting for the end of the cycle, the function executes immediately. That way you can break out of quantizing if you want to. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 23 09:56:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA31922; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:56:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:56:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1d48a0d3.36a9e219@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:52:09 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: dual loop technique? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows 95 sub 176 Resent-Message-ID: <"ORIOp3.0.gi7.s7Ugs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 21/01/99 07:17:12 GMT, you write: << I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique ideas are of interest. Bob >> Midi sync them together, but with different No's of beats, thats the first thing I'd do if I had two JamMen. Andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 23 11:37:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09702; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:37:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:37:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be46c2$9b275b00$1e66e4d0@default> From: "ALTO MUSIC" To: Subject: echoplex Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:21:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C2.96472FC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"EbMQZ1.0.vy1.zTVgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C2.96472FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello friends this isJon from alto music. Gibson is starting to ship = echoplexes to us slowly but surely. They are building about 4 units a day and shipping us everyone. We are = filling orders in order they were received. Gibson is overnighting units = at their expense (WOW) so we get them the day after they are built and = tested. Thankyou for your patience. Any questions call Jon at Alto Music = 914 692 6922. I will be out at the NAMM show Jan 28-Feb1 so in that time frame speak = to Gary. Thanks again ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C2.96472FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello friends this isJon from alto = music. Gibson=20 is starting to ship echoplexes to us slowly but surely.
They are building about 4 units a = day and=20 shipping us everyone. We are filling orders in order they were received. = Gibson=20 is overnighting units at their expense (WOW) so we get them the day = after they=20 are built and tested. Thankyou for your patience. Any questions call Jon = at Alto=20 Music 914 692 6922.
I will be out at the NAMM show Jan 28-Feb1 so in = that time=20 frame speak to Gary. Thanks again
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C2.96472FC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 23 11:45:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA10978; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:45:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:45:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <000701be46c4$25101d60$1e66e4d0@default> From: "ALTO MUSIC" To: Subject: echoplex Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:32:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C4.208B7FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lNDlV1.0.xI2.CeVgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C4.208B7FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello this is Jon from Alto Music. Gibson is building and sending me all = the echoplexes they can the same day. They are overnighting them to me = at their expense. We are shipping them in order that the orders were = received. Thank you for your patience any questions call me 914 692 = 6922. I will be out of town for the NAMM show Jan 28-Feb1. In that time = frame speak to Gary as I will leave him with all pertinent info. Thanks = again for your patience. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C4.208B7FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello this is Jon from Alto Music. = Gibson is=20 building and sending me all the echoplexes they can the same day. They = are=20 overnighting them to me at their expense. We are shipping them in order = that the=20 orders were received. Thank you for your patience any questions call me = 914 692=20 6922. I will be out of town for the NAMM show Jan 28-Feb1. In that time = frame=20 speak to Gary as I will leave him with all pertinent info. Thanks again = for your=20 patience.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE46C4.208B7FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 23 12:35:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA16774; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:35:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:35:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Multiphaz1@aol.com Message-ID: <397935c7.36aa0764@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:31:16 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Dual Loop Technique Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Resent-Message-ID: <"jQX9m.0.hx3.nSWgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg had some nice ideas with the dual loop technique, especially for mixing tempos. It's a great system. I found a similar technique was also great for creating some wild stereo panning. In the 80s I was in a band called Delay Tactics. A song from our second album (Any Questions?) features what we called "Duel Delay Technique". To set this up we synched two EH 16 second delays together. Then we fed a panable stereo line from the mixer to each unit - one received the left channel, the other received the right. The channel outputs the from each unit, again left and right, were fed back to the mixer. As a result, once the delays were rolling, we were able to create panable repeating stereo loop tracks. For instance, using a 4 second delay while recording a guitar track, the engineer could pan the guitar around the stereo field at will. The same panning movement would sweep across at every 4 second repeat. With up to 100 layers for an entire song, the textures got pretty interesting. It was a nice alternative to the traditional bouncing or mono drone delay techniques. I'm enjoying everyone letters. Keep up the great work! Carl Weingarten From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 23 20:09:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA11382; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:09:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:09:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AA7164.E114579B@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:03:37 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: filters revisited References: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF85@RED-MSG-06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7pQeS.0.Eb2.V3dgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com loopers i know there was a thread on filters a while back, so i apologize if i missed something; HOWEVER i wonder if anyone has had any experience with bob moog's "moogerfooger" (ugh) low-pass filter stompbox (2/4-pole variable resonance vcf w/ envelope follower, all parameters controllable via expression pedal or cool mini-moog style rotary controls). looks like a neat little box. lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 23 21:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA21427; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990124021656.11539.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:16:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: Hi Fi Bugs Concerned about Live Performance To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"QCB2N2.0.7v4.UEegs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---MARK FRANO wrote: > Are we too boring visually? Probably. ;-) Remember, live performance is usually looked on as *entertainment* and a bunch of nerdy lookin' guys sitting around punching buttons on sequencers and loopers is deadly dull to look at. Get a dancer, show some video. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 24 03:29:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA13356; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:29:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:29:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: gsx455ho@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAzAx5I0KQ5wT5FSzAfP7tGEYAITUCFCY9MvITSYg2g5IyKPQ5zpv5ECoY Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:25:03 -0700 (MST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: hassell Message-ID: <3317-36AAD8DF-1@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"y64ig1.0.G83.CYjgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com count me in......voodoo trumpetman news.... laika and jon hassell should collaborate..... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 24 08:25:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA10699; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:25:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:25:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AB1EA2.1CC8@club-internet.fr> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:22:42 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: SP-202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SY4Ge.0.QT2.ovngs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Could someone tell me if the SP-202 can record a loop while playing back another loop ? Thank you Emmanuel perille@club-internet.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 24 12:29:48 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA15355; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:29:48 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:29:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901241721.JAA29349@raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Multiple looper setup tip Date: Sun, 24 Jan 99 11:21:58 -0500 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Rbw4l3.0.UJ3.0Prgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ><< I'm interested in hearing ideas about how 2 loop devices > can be used creatively together. I use JamMan's so am specifically > interested in exploiting that device, but any generic technique > ideas are of interest. > Set one delay to, say, 8 seconds, and the other to nine. Set one for only one repeat and the other for lots of regeneration. Apple different post-loop processing to each loop. Be prepared to play very sparely in this setup. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 24 17:38:35 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA27506; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:38:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:38:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36AB1EA2.1CC8@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:54:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: SP-202 Resent-Message-ID: <"2jXAv.0.Sz4.uPvgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 5:22 AM -0800 1/24/99, PERILLE wrote: >Hello, > >Could someone tell me if the SP-202 can record a loop while playing back >another loop ? > I'm pretty sure the answer is no. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 24 19:38:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA15794; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:38:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:38:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <99Jan24.192939est.19598@Donmills.corporate.southam.ca> From: Jim Bailey To: "'looppost'" Subject: RE: Another Radio Show... Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:40:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE47D1.69C04DA0" Resent-Message-ID: <"cMlJK2.0._a3._gxgs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE47D1.69C04DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >---------- >From: Esteban Delgado[SMTP:esdel@eudoramail.com] >Hello all, >Consider this an invitation to check out my radio show... Well, while we're at it, let me remind folks, if I haven't mentioned it = before, that I do a programme on CKLN-FM here in Toronto = (http://ckln.sac.ryerson.ca//ckln.html), so you can send your discs, or = whatever, there to the attention of "Electric Storm" and I'll give 'em a = whirl. The L-D CD's would be nice (hint, hint). 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This song is called "Dial 911 is a Joke" and the reason I named it that is it uses about 5 seconds from each of two songs, then brutalise. Looping done with Acid and Fruity Loops. If you want to listen, check out either the URL below or http://listen.to/grendel and tell me what you think. -- *Consider yourself warned.* -- Grendel (Industrial/Electronic Prog): http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664/grendel.html Against a Sickness: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 01:33:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA02158; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:33:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:33:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9901242242.0VWP100@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 99 22:42:47 -0700 Subject: dual loopness To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"BAgTP.0.Ge6.JK0hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Being an avowed techno-primitive it always occurs to me that any "technique" or "procedure" that I utilize in my loop work would hardly be of interest to anyone else, let alone border on anything close to being "avante garde" or progressive in nature. However setting this disbelief aside momentarily...here goes: I normally run my clapped out Korg DW8000 synth and Roland TR-505 drum machine into an EH-16 second delay. After manipulating the EH until I've gotten a suitably twisted rhythmic loop from the Korg and Roland signals, I close the loop and run the signal into a Mackie 1202. The effects send is routed through an Alesis Microverb (pronounced HISSSS) then into a JamMan and then a Vortex to bring it all a sense of stereo. This signal is then returned to the Mackie via seperate channel inputs,as opposed to the effects send return. At this point I should say that I don't currently use MIDI for anything, not likely to start soon given my techno-phobe tendencies. At any rate with the EH providing the rhythm loop, I tap out as many loops into the JamMan as I feel appropriate, or can get to synch, before the EH starts to drift. With hopefully a few synchronous loops in the JamMan as a result of this goofy fun, I then layer various textures and tonalities on each of the loops to achieve a collection of varied but rhythmically congruent segments. Sometimes I keep the EH loop and slow it down or speed it up to add some percusive accents to the JamMan loops, or I do new tonal oriented loops on the EH and add them to the JamMan loops to taste. Often when I think I've reached a saturation point on the JamMan in relation to retaining the loop texture I was seeking, I'll stop. If that point has been passed (operator error) particularly in a rhythmic sense I'll add hand triggered drum machine accents to the loop to re-vitalize the aspect of tempo. After I'm happy with the collection of loops in the JamMan,I may use the EH to do another "non-rhythm" loop which I'll use as an un-synched harmonic source to compliment and contrast the JamMan loops. Then I generally solo against/along with these loops and capture the whole mess on my aged 77 dollar Marantz dubbing cassette deck, in real time, no undo button, no fix in the mix. Usually I'll do a couple of takes with varied intent before sending the respective loops into the ether. In that I started tape looping in the late 70's, this system affords a far greater amount of control than any earlier system(another story) while still maintaining a true element of chance (or "hazard" as Fripp would say), which is after all the real beauty (for me at least) in this "method". I've utilized this basic system as a player in a solo,duo,trio,... up to a quintet situation, with varying results. As an adjunct to this "blurb" I want to say that the issue of sharing one's loop techniques and methods with others is the same for all artists who work in a medium that isn't addressed (yet) in the scope of "instructional" videos,classes, or shameless huckstering by the supposed "elite" class of performers in any generation. There's every reason to protect one's artistic "secret procedure", if the result of sharing said same results is a lessened abilty to market one's wares as being unique or new(to an increasingly jaded public) particularly if that marketing is the artist's sole source of monetary support. In that I doubt if I've made 1000 dollars total as a result of my 20 years of loop oriented musical pursuits I have no qualm sharing these "cutting edge" techniques with any and all, but then again my wife and I supported ourselves and our 2 children on about 16,000 dollars last year. I mention this only to further illustrate that the true difference between many artists (and certainly many of the players on the LD list) is the relative ratio of time and money available to those artists to pursue their art. On a related note....when the hot water heater in my basement broke this morning, the resulting leak did not damage any of my equipment, for which I am eternally grateful. Still avoiding being the subject of the "loop of the week" Bryan Helm P.S. If this endless tirade bored you to tears... compose a loop about it...I sure will. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 05:22:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA24655; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:22:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:22:15 -0500 From: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:37:12 +0900 Message-Id: <199901250937.SAA18839@zorn.ms.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: you9x5@usa.net Subject: Free catalog now available! Resent-Message-ID: <"FdIUW1.0.H75.Hk3hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com "The Equipment Buyers Guide". Mpls. MN.55438. 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COMPANY:_______________________________________ NAME:__________________________________________ TITLE:__________________________________________ ADDRESS:_______________________________________ CITY:_______________STATE:________ZIP:____________ PHONE:______________________FAX:________________ E-MAIL ADDRESS:_________________________________________ Please check any of the items below your have an interest in Racks ____Conveyor_____Shelving_______forklifts______ Dock Equipment______Office furniture & supplies______ Carousels____Mezzanines _____Other__________________ I would be interested in trading for equipment________ Remove instructions: To be removed from this and any future lists, send a reply towithonly the word REMOVE in the subject box or fax us the EMAIL ADRESS to be removed to 1.320.485.4860 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 05:32:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA25683; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:32:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:32:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 05:25:11 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: EH16? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"UdxYx3.0.g46.5P4hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I hear an awful lot about this little thing. about how much do they run for now adays? is anybody selling one? for that matter is anybody selling a vortex. i will have to agree with Bryan in his dual loopness mail that it would be great to see/read more loopers talking about their 'techniques'. it would be very informative to the pro and novice alike since most musicians(whatever that means)approach their instrument(loops)in their own little esoteric way. rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 11:54:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA09723; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:54:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:54:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901251604.LAA11559@emh1.pa.net> X-Sender: rswitzer@mail.pa.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:06:09 -0500 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Switzer Subject: *Echovirus* Blindfold OneofaKind remix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"OeEj43.0.VF.lM9hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi everyone, I've finally completed a track based on the Blindfold OneofaKind tape Ed Chang was kind enough to send me several months ago. While not exactly a remix, I sampled heavily from Ed's tape to create a beat-heavy trip-hop/ambient dub track called 'BlindFold DisFunktion'. This track will be included on an upcoming CD by my electronic/studio project *Echovirus* called 'Poison Reverse'. The track is available in CD-quality mp3 downloadable form at http://www.mp3.com/evirus -- checkit out, and let me know what you think . . . And while you're at mp3.com, check out listmate Tim Walker http://www.mp3.com/timwalker. Joe Conley http://www.mp3.com/conley is also quite good, though I'm not sure whether he's on this list or not. rob switzer ---------------------------- http://www.721.com/rswitzer From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 14:16:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA00746; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:16:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:16:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <11e3fe26.36acbf60@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:00:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"vAPci2.0.SS7.6-Bhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of waiting?...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 14:45:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA05548; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:45:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990125193002.15284.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.125.70.216] From: "Dan Bartell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: question Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:30:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Zu1Vj3.0.Ld.OOChs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Find the biggest hat you can, wear it with some dutch wooden clogs and a bathrobe, ride a portible bike around downtown handing out strawberries. If that dosen't get you arrested, you should be fine -Dan From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:00:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: question Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of waiting?...........michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 15:09:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA09851; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:09:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF98@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Dual Loop Techniques Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:53:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"tQwjS1.0.Rj1.TkChs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com All, i would like to emphasize the point others have made that the dual loop technique thread has been incredibly valuable. It is interesting and instructive to see such a range of approaches to organizing noise! i don't know what the exact relationship beauty holds to diversity, but i do know that i'm much more likely to encounter the former in an environment, like the LD list, which supports the latter. i wonder if it would be possible to circulate some 'theme' (or pair of themes) through each of these different techniques and see what comes out. i'd love to be able to hear each one side-by-side-especially with a description of the process used. Is this a starting point for LD CD3? It would also be interesting to try to organize this emerging palette of approaches. For example, how many processes are deterministic, same input-same output; and how many non-deterministic? How many are signal-path based (work the same way no matter what the signal content) versus those that some how actually make use of the content of the signal (work differently depending on the content of the signal)? Coming up with the questions that tease apart different approaches almost always helps me see how i might best apply a given approach to achieve the effect i want. Often it helps me see new approaches. --greg From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 16:15:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA20354; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:15:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:15:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: question Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:47:58 -0800 Message-ID: <000001be48a4$011d81e0$0423dacf@sgoodman.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <11e3fe26.36acbf60@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"XcSC81.0.au3.NXDhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] opined: > any methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of > waiting?...........michael I try to be transparent to the pieces, and just let them come through if not from me. I try not to get too self-inflated if I can help it regarding the process of creation... such that, during times of non-productivity, one can forgive oneself more easily. I hope that it works, and if it doesn't, I get my head involved in something else. * Read a new book, and imagine the soundtrack of it, were it a film or TV show. This however can cause disappointment in the event such a thing is made - since it can never be as good as in the mind, can it? * Go back to old recordings, and cull through the pieces to find something to make a new arrangement of. * Make a loop and let it run as long as time or family permits. Go into the other room and you may hear something other than that piece. * Listen to the fan in your bathroom and think of solos or such that would go along with it, while you shave (or whatever). Good luck! (Though I don't believe in a random order of the universe...) Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 17:05:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA28153; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:05:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:05:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990125214918.23356.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: question To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"ZNjb72.0.WJ6.eSEhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall > and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows > ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of > tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any > methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of > waiting?...........michael Ah, the joys of burn-out. Direct force rarely seems to work for anyone. Things to keep in mind: diet, execise, sexual frequency/infrequency, sleep patterns, stress levels, etc. If any of these things are severely out of balance, then forget the musical creativity till you re-balance, i.e. take care of basic needs first. Now, during these periods, I usually find it useful to focus on grunt work (like rewiring my studio) and chops oriented, repetitive work - stuff that needs to be done but requires no creative fire. Like practicing scales, arpeggios, melodic patterns, etc. etc. If all things seem balanced, and yet there is no fire, then try seducing it back. Make yourself attractive to creativity. Don't just throw 'er on the bed and expect to get anything. Take her out to dinner and a movie, moonlit walks and mad dashes on the beach. Cuddle up by the fire with a good glass of wine and book. Show her erotica (MF catalogs and guitar magazines). Etc. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat (king of the mixed-metaphor) === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 17:13:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA29589; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:13:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:13:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990125215356.2743.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [131.107.3.73] From: "Bob Campbell" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: question Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:53:56 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Kgzm51.0.lR6.9VEhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> ...any methods out there to re-kindle the spark? Check out: Oblique Strategies - a set of problem-solving cards for artists. I heard Brian Eno speak once, and he praised this tool which was created by the late artist Peter Schmidt. Here's a website with info: http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/ObliqueStrategies/index.html or search for 'Oblique Strategies'. These are not 'music centric' they are generic creativity exercises. The cards are out of print, but virtual copies are on the web. -Bob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 17:09:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA28856; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:09:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:09:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:53:59 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"HpZEZ.0.TS6.VVEhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, I publish a lot of poetry and short stories and the only way 'the muse" stays with me is to be there everyday (7 days a week) at the same time, ready to listen. For me that's 5 A.M. I plan to write for at least an hour, but often find myself still going til 9:30 or 10:00. But I never stop for the day at a point that I've finished something. I always quit when I still have something clearly in my mind yet to do (for the next day). When I wake up, I can't wait to get to work. If I miss a day, I damned near go into withdrawal. Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 18:37:13 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA11332; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:37:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:37:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: dual loop technique? In-Reply-To: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF84@RED-MSG-06> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"LTFYT2.0.qC2.IrFhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Greg Meredith's post was right on. I've been using variations of this technique for quite a while using MIDI loops, but haven't been able to get the timing or equipment right yet for live loops. With my live looping situations at the moment, I'm not as concerned as much with having the loops converge. I'm mostly working with "hiding" the loop. My stuff is mostly atmospheric and having two loops of differing lengths allows me to use shorter loops that don't take as much stage time to construct, but aren't as noticible as they repeat. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 18:46:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA12880; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:46:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:46:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:59:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: question Resent-Message-ID: <"OEvTW3.0.7U2.BwFhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguit wrote: >any methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of >waiting?...........michael Michael, Disrupt your habits...Recently in preparation for a gig at an art opening we needed to strip down the gear we use for due to lack of space to set up in. I used a portable sequencer as a live instrument to trigger MIDI note information from two synths. I took along an Eventide and two looper's. Usually I use a guitar with lots more options than this. With out having the guitar this opened up new ways at looking at what I do. The resulting music was similar to what we usually do but different. And then this weekend when we turned on the tape machine and I was using my guitar again it was very fresh. I spent three weeks "guitarless." Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 18:46:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA12975; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:46:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:46:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:00:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: EH16? Resent-Message-ID: <"9cv9l.0.aV2.fwFhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >I hear an awful lot about this little thing. >about how much do they run for now adays? > >is anybody selling one? >for that matter is anybody selling a vortex. The EH 16 goes for around $1000 US if you can find one....OUCH!! There was a Vortex at the Rogue Music Auction a couple days ago. I don't know when the close date was. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 19:32:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA21070; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:32:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:32:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <478815c5.36ad0a5d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:20:45 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"YDKIo1.0.jb4.WgGhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/25/99 1:18:19 PM Central Standard Time, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << any methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of waiting? >> as Miles said to Coltrane... "take the horn out of your mouth". I find that, although I like to play something everyday, I am most jazzed up and creative when I haven't played for a few days. Putting the instrument down until you have to pick it up again is sometimes a good thing, and an easy way to break from ruts. good luck. - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 19:45:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA23136; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:45:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:45:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990125193654.0079bc60@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:36:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies In-Reply-To: <19990125215356.2743.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xbL3n1.0.b85.dqGhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>> ...any methods out there to re-kindle the spark? >Check out: >Oblique Strategies - a set of problem-solving cards for artists. One thing I enjoy about mixing non-synchronous loops is that occasionally two or more completely unrelated events will match up perfectly... Just the other day, I was looping with some folks and the topic arose that while the music we were making was certainly interesting and didn't sound half bad, it might be in our better interest to write some "songs" as points of reference to better anchor the set and provide a firmer foundation for the improvised material. One comment was made to the effect that "we're turning into a jam band. An ELECTRONIC jam band, but still a jam band." While I didn't necessarily agree with this view, nor see improvising as inherently evil, it got me thinking about unconventional writing methods, and I recalled having many years ago read a description of Oblique Strategies. I have never seen a deck of these cards, and have only heard paraphrased a couple of the "aphorisms" found on them, and had not even thought about them in years until last week. Not having access to Oblique Strategies cards, I decided to make my own. I divided one side of a sheet of paper into a large grid, then turned it over and repeated the grid on the other side so that it would line up when I cut the "cards" apart. On one side of the paper, I wrote phrases describing moods and textures, or intentionally vague instructions; "quietly aggressive", "slowly falling slowly", "simple", "vibrating like an angry swarm of bees", "spaghetti Eastern", "building", "kelp forest", "funkier than James Brown", "wooden pandemonium ritual", "electro-Rasta Dub plate" and so forth, all designed to be as non-specific and open to interpretation as possible. On the other side I wrote, at random, a key signature or something such as "D Modal" or a gamelan scale or raga, or "no pitched sound, highly rhythmic". (You could also write a color on there, and use them for visual arts). Then all the little slips of paper go into a hat, or a box or some such suitable container, and are drawn in pairs (one instruction from the front matched up with the key or scale from the back of the other card) to serve as guidelines to organise an improvisation. Interpretation of the instructions may be discussed by the musicians at the time the cards are drawn, OR you can agree to NOT discuss them and just play. Record the whole mess, then go back and listen to it with an open ear to extracting the best parts as the basis for actual "songwriting", or sample the tastiest bits. Or not, it's up to you. The cards are just a tool, a game which can spur creativity, but to overuse would be to abuse the muse... The cards I came up with are probably nothing at all like Peter Schmidt's actual Oblique Strategies, but that doesn't really matter, since they're just an exercise in creative thought, and a lot of fun to boot. The results obtained by making your own cards are probably also quite different than what would come from using an actual set too, although now that the link has been posted with all that great Oblique Strategies info (Thanks to Bob Campbell! http://www.msn.fullfeed.com/~gtaylor/ObliqueStrategies/index.html ) I think I'll have to look into the real Schmidt and Eno thing! I'm going to keep (and add to) the ones I made, though; they're as much fun to make as they are to use, although Dan Bartell's Big Hat/clogs/bathrobe/bicycle/strawberries approach is probably a bit more original. Later, Tim P.S.: I'm looking for an inexpensive single-space rack mount unit for pitch shifting. Any of you have any suggestions re the ones you like or the ones you hate (and why)? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 19:56:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA26338; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:56:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:56:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990125184333.007c0210@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:43:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <11e3fe26.36acbf60@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"858tH3.0.vZ5.5-Ghs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, I've run into this a bit, too, lately. I've found that the quickest way for me (as a guitarist primarily...) is to work with a new tuning system. Even the simplest of changes can lead you into unfamiliar territory--and, hopefully, there you will run into something new. If you're not a guitarist, then why not pick up a guitar and become one? That would be fun. This goes for any instrument. My next rut-getter-outter is a theremin. Yeehah! Feel free to email me at home (subversive@mindspring.com). I've got a million rut-killers. Good luck, Jeff McLeod http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ At 02:00 PM 1/25/99 EST, you wrote: >what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall >and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows >ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of >tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any >methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of >waiting?...........michael > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 20:14:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30701; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:14:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:14:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <2148EC143F29D1118BE000805FC13CD092D3BE@migarexch01.maritz.com> From: "Liebig, Steuart A." To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: question Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:09:44 -0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Resent-Message-ID: <"wWKPm2.0.537.MMHhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of > tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any > methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of > waiting?...........michael > ** i think that everybody has given good advice on this. despite the frustration (or the cold turkey form the high of creating) that often comes from having a "down" period, i find it helpful to think of it as merely a time to recharge my batteries . . . or as a gestation period for the next work to come. stig From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 21:52:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA13959; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:52:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:52:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <607d318c.36ad2b8b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:42:19 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"OgDxW.0.WA3.toIhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/25/99 7:18:27 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall > and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of > sows > ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of > tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any > methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of > waiting?...........michael > get your self some oblique strategies or read From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 21:54:44 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA14263; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:54:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:54:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF9A@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: question Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:45:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"dKv_G3.0.V33.VmIhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, i have often faced the problem of lack of inspiration. i appreciate almost all, and employ many of the techniques already suggested by many on the list to overcoming this situation. However, one approach stands out by its absence on the growing list of suggestions. This is the one that, for me, absolutely hands down, conquers this problem. i explore the "design space" of sonic organization in an entirely algorithmic and *mechanical* way. i decompose the space of sounds into a finite set of dimensions and rules for combining sounds along these dimensions. And then, i simply start exploring, in as methodical a manner as i can, the applications of the rules to the generation of sounds. What this does is to guarantee that i get into regions of the production of sound that my aesthetic or gut-instinct almost certainly would *not* have led me. This almost invariably leads me to a surprise: a combination of sounds i would never have thought of putting together in quite that way. When i get surprised, i get intrigued. When i get intrigued, i get inspired. This is my experience. Let me give an example. But, because the example is long, let me stress this is an example of a general technique i'm trying to get across. Suppose that we simply want to explore the production of sound in a single 'key' in the sense meant in western classical music. One observation is that all tones are naturally divided into 7 tone classes. Each class contains all the different octaves of a given note. Thus, in a key, say D major, which has an A natural, one of the tone classes contains A440, and A220 and A110 and A880, etc. Let's write [A] for the tone class that contains all the A's and [D] for the tone class that contains all the D's, etc. Now, suppose that we assign to each tone class a number. For definiteness, we'll stick to the D major key and, for simplicity, lets have them ascend in a manner similar to the way the tones in an octave ascend. So, that gives us a little table like this: [D] <----> 0 [E] <----> 1 [F#] <----> 2 [G] <----> 3 [A] <----> 4 [B] <----> 5 [C#] <----> 6 Given a tone class [X], let's write N([X]) for the number we assigned to it. E.g., according to our table N([D])=0. Similarly, given a number, n, ranging from 0 through 6, let's write T(n) for the tone class assigned to it. So, T(0) = [D]. Notice that N(T(n)) = n and that T(N([X])) = [X]. For instance, N(T(0)) = N([D]) = 0 and similarly, T(N([D]))= T(0)=[D]. What we're going to do is to introduce a new kind of transformation on collections of tones. It's sort of like transposition, in the sense that it preserves some symmetry, but it's not transposition because a) we never leave the key and b) we preserve a different symmetry than transposition preserves. To introduce this transformation, we're going to pair up a number from 0 through 6 with another such. Whenever any two numbers between 0 and 6, inclusive, add up to 7, they're considered a pair. So, the pairs are 1,6 2,5 3,4 4,3 5,2 6,1 Now, i'm going to throw in the pair 0,0 to complete the story. You can view it that 0 was the only one not paired, or you can view it that we're operating in the group Zmod7, whichever works for you. Given a number, n, from 0 through 6, let us represent it's partner by p(n). For example, p(6) = 1 and p(1) = 6. Notice that p(p(n)) = n. Now, we can write down our transformation. Given a tone class [X], Rotate([X]) is defined by Rotate([X]) = T(p(N([X]))). Here are the rotations of all of the tone classes for the key of D according to this assignment. Rotate([D])= T(p(N([D]))) = T(p(0))= T(0) = [D] Rotate([E])= T(p(N([E]))) = T(p(1))= T(6) = [C#] Rotate([F#])= T(p(N([F#]))) = T(p(2))= T(5) = [B] Rotate([G])= T(p(N([G]))) = T(p(3))= T(4) = [A] Rotate([A])= T(p(N([A]))) = T(p(4))= T(3) = [G] Rotate([B])= T(p(N([B]))) = T(p(5))= T(2) = [F#] Rotate([C#])= T(p(N([C#]))) = T(p(6))= T(1) = [E] Or without the intermediate calculations Rotate([D])= [D] Rotate([E])= [C#] Rotate([F#])= [B] Rotate([G])= [A] Rotate([A])= [G] Rotate([B])= [F#] Rotate([C#])= [E] Now, suppose you give me a melody in the key of D major. If i faithfully apply my transformation to the melody, that is, i rotate all the notes in the melody, then i get an entirely new melody still in the key of D major. All the rhythmic values have remained unchanged, but the note-value contour of the melody has completely changed. You may have noticed that i only gave you tone classes, not tones. So, to apply rotation to a melody, you still have to pick one of the tones from the tone class to get a real tone. But this is one of the interesting parameters to vary in this process. Another parameter to vary is the assignment of tone classes to numbers. You could, for example, try N([B])=0 N([C#])=1 N([D])=2 N([E])=3 N([F#])=4 N([G])=5 N([A])=6 And any of the other many assignments. So, popping up a level we now have a rule for generating new melodies from old ones. The next step is apply this rule as methodically as possible, trying to come up with as many ways as you can to exhaust its application. i guarantee you, you will be surprised by the results. The MIDIscenti on this list might write a program which applies such a transformation to a loop. A really cool approach is to put the 0 on the starting note of a melody, apply transformation and loop that once, then put the 0 on the second note of a melody, apply transformation and loop once, etc. Philosophically, i believe that this meta-technique of exhaustively exploring the design space generated from a few simple rules is exactly what happens in nature. Natural selection speeds up the truly exhaustive search. Similarly, in this technique we're, effectively, employing a genetic algorithm where * the individuals are 'musical utterances'; * reproduction is the application of a rule; * the fitness criterion is 'do i like the way it sounds.' It also pleases my sensibilities no end to derive inspiration from an entirely mechanical process. It fits with my view of the mystery of life: so much awe-inspiring variation from just enough mechanism to make it happen. Finally, it takes away most of the ego from the process. It's very little about me or my generative and potent creativity. It's more about my tiny, limited aesthetic (which was more or less developed before i was even cognizant of 'i') reacting to and interacting with the vast array of information that's already there in front of my nose. And, when my impoverished imagination fails to help me see what's right in front of me, turning the handle on the machine will. Sorry the post was so long. i didn't have time to think about how to make it shorter. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [SMTP:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: question what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of waiting?...........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 22:06:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA16436; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:55:34 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"2nvY61.0.9r3.61Jhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/26/99 12:46:42 AM !!!First Boot!!!, tcn62@ici.net writes: > On the other side I wrote, at random, a key signature or > something such as "D Modal" or a gamelan scale or raga, or "no pitched > sound, highly rhythmic". (You could also write a color on there, and use Ive been trying to find out about ragas for a bit whats a resource for that type of thing? and any other obscure leads would be nice rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 22:19:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA18572; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:19:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:19:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF9B@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:14:29 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"m2mY-2.0.lI4.cBJhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rodrigo, A great resource is Henry Cowell's _New Musical Resources_. This was the book that inspired Conlon Nancarrow, for example, to do his player piano stuff. It's a brilliant little book and very accessible. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Kriist@aol.com [SMTP:Kriist@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 6:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas In a message dated 1/26/99 12:46:42 AM !!!First Boot!!!, tcn62@ici.net writes: > On the other side I wrote, at random, a key signature or > something such as "D Modal" or a gamelan scale or raga, or "no pitched > sound, highly rhythmic". (You could also write a color on there, and use Ive been trying to find out about ragas for a bit whats a resource for that type of thing? and any other obscure leads would be nice rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 22:38:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21720; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:38:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:38:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF9D@RED-MSG-06> From: Greg Meredith To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:25:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2524.0) Resent-Message-ID: <"Co5LI.0.5k4.cLJhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Rodrigo, Ooops, i should have made it clear that this was just an obscure lead and not about ragas. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Greg Meredith [SMTP:gregmer@MICROSOFT.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 7:14 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' Subject: RE: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas Rodrigo, A great resource is Henry Cowell's _New Musical Resources_. This was the book that inspired Conlon Nancarrow, for example, to do his player piano stuff. It's a brilliant little book and very accessible. --greg -----Original Message----- From: Kriist@aol.com [SMTP:Kriist@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 6:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas In a message dated 1/26/99 12:46:42 AM !!!First Boot!!!, tcn62@ici.net writes: > On the other side I wrote, at random, a key signature or > something such as "D Modal" or a gamelan scale or raga, or "no pitched > sound, highly rhythmic". (You could also write a color on there, and use Ive been trying to find out about ragas for a bit whats a resource for that type of thing? and any other obscure leads would be nice rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 22:40:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22052; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:40:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <1b380456.36ad36f9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:31:05 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies....Addemdum Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"9eCon3.0.895._VJhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com oops, as i was saying performing modern compositions? Im looking to do the rite of spring for guitar/loops terry rileys in c etc.... rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 22:39:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA21901; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:39:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:39:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <3c6ab6d5.36ad36aa@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:29:46 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"houR13.0.935.rTJhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/26/99 3:20:47 AM !!!First Boot!!!, gregmer@microsoft.com writes: > Rodrigo, > > A great resource is Henry Cowell's _New Musical Resources_. This was the > book that inspired Conlon Nancarrow, for example, to do his player piano > stuff. It's a brilliant little book and very accessible. > > --greg > I have that book. Its great, its a tad on the 'what you should do' side for my tastes but great none the less. Im interested in more non-western modal stuff. Hell, anything would be interesting. Also, has anyone on the list dabbled in performing interpretations of moder From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 22:41:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA22264; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:41:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:41:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901260337.VAA29597@supermail.globaldialog.com> Subject: Re: question Date: Mon, 25 Jan 99 22:34:33 -0000 x-sender: camuscar@pop.globaldialog.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"XTQyU3.0.yA5.eWJhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Do what Eno would do...tidy up! ;-) works for me...sometimes... Or read Eno's diary, "A Year With Swollen Appendices." I found it inspiring, and Eno lists a lot of other great books to read in this diary. >what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall >and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of >sows >ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of >tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any >methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of >waiting?...........michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 23:21:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA28504; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:21:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:21:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AD41E4.7A462EF3@texas.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:17:44 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas References: <3c6ab6d5.36ad36aa@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LdIfF2.0.Vp6.26Khs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com here are 3 great books on raga theory for those interested: ragopedia : exotic scales of northern india by shiv dayal batish & ashwin batish it's really just scales instead of ragas but lots of fun for practice. available from batish records, 1310 mission st., santa cruz, ca, 95060 the classical music of northern india : the 1st year's study by ali akbar khan more intense than ragopedia, if you can do all this in a year you're *real* good.transcriptions are into indian sargam, so it might be a little weird at first. available from the ali akbar college store 1-800-748-2252 northern indian music by alain danielou this 1 gets real complex into the math involved w/the just intonations of the ragas, but lots of transcriptions into 5 line staff. it may be out of print, but i've seen some of his others at bizaar of india on university ave in berkeley. if you live somewhere where there is anyone teaching indian music, either vocal or instrumental, i'd highly recommend taking some classes. it's is by far the best thing i've done for expanding my musical horizons. it's good for humility, too. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Mon Jan 25 23:38:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA30866; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:38:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:38:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990126043541.00e093fc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:35:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dual Loop Techniques Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"6Bpgu1.0.VQ7.XNKhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:53 AM 1/25/99 -0800, Greg Meredith wrote: >All, > >i would like to emphasize the point others have made that the dual loop >technique thread has been incredibly valuable. It is interesting and >instructive to see such a range of approaches to organizing noise! i don't >know what the exact relationship beauty holds to diversity, but i do know >that i'm much more likely to encounter the former in an environment, like >the LD list, which supports the latter. > >i wonder if it would be possible to circulate some 'theme' (or pair of >themes) through each of these different techniques and see what comes out. >i'd love to be able to hear each one side-by-side-especially with a >description of the process used. Is this a starting point for LD CD3? Actually, I think it would be a great idea for a set of tutorial web pages on the Looper's Delight site, with audio examples. Any volunteers want to take it on? Remember, volunteers are what make this whole thing work, don't hesitate to jump in there and add something of your own! kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 01:34:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA15717; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 01:34:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 01:34:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990126000114.007c89f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:01:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: CGDAEG In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990125193654.0079bc60@pop.ici.net> References: <19990125215356.2743.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qWHip3.0.TK2.ydLhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi, all... Have any of you guitarists on the list ever experimented with or are you currently using the Guitar Craft New Standard Guitar Tuning (CGDAEG)? I'm in the process of setting my guitar up with this tuning, which is a bit of a task (to me, at least), since the actual high 3rd is EXCEPTIONALLY high and tends to snap the string. It's a beautiful tuning and has already resulted in some great ideas--although I haven't brought it into the trio format yet. I was curious about anyone else's thoughts on the tuning--and would appreciate any comments on string guages that work the best with the high tension, approaches to learning one's way around on it (although the basis on the tuning in 5ths feels so very, very familiar--it's wonderful to play around in so far...) and anything else that you might have to offer about it. Sincerely, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 02:09:16 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id CAA23419; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:09:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:09:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990126012553.007a1720@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 01:25:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"IKTdK1.0.Rv2.tzLhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >Ive been trying to find out about ragas for a bit >whats a resource for that type of thing? > >and any other obscure leads would be nice > >rodrigo > Here are a few URL's, most of which link to further sites of interest: http://www.raganet.com/RagaNet/ http://www.premamusic.com/links.indian.html http://southasia.net/Arts/Music/Instrumental/index.html http://fareed.com/drone.html http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~sundar/ http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-journals/Leonardo/isast/journal/cartlm4.html http://www.ancient-future.com/rhythm.html http://www.paganmusic.com/ethnic.htm and a disclaimer: Just because I jot down an exotic ethnic scale on the back of a slip of paper doesn't mean that I in any way consider myself an expert in the musics of India, Java, Bali, Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, etc., and I hope I didn't imply otherwise in my earlier posting. Asian and Middle Eastern musics are among the world's most challenging, and are generally characterized by students sitting at the feet of their teachers for years of disciplined study before being so presumptuous as to lay claim to any musical proficiency. My suggestion of using ragas and gamelan scales drawn at random from a hat can certainly lead to some interesting and original results, particularly in the context of something like Oblique Strategies, and can be extremely enjoyable, but is NOT in any way a claim of proficiency, expertise or authenticity. It IS, however, one of many ways to get out of the type of stagnant rut we have been discussing in this thread, and it IS a good way to expose oneself to some great music. Have fun, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 03:15:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA31835; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:15:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:15:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36ACFD22.2A47@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:24:18 +0000 From: Colin Jenkinson Reply-To: jeancolin@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: question References: <39ADCF833E74D111A2D700805F1951EF0D23EF9A@RED-MSG-06> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2sjGz.0.qa6.YuMhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My Top Ten Things to do when in need of inspiration: 10) Try to prove that you can't prove anything. 9)Stick my head in a cold shower. 8)Force myself to listen to a Radio station that I would not normaly listen to for an hour, 7)Embarass myself on the internet. 6)Try to rember the things that I would have rememberd if they were worth remembering. 5)See if my daughter can say "SuperNarsasiticFacistsPatriarclePinPricks" 4)E-mail Robert Fripp and tell him not to meet me at Flat 5, because it's all has been just a hoax. 3) quit taking my meds. 2) Ponder if just lurking on this E-mail list for me would probibly be a better idea for myself and others. 1) Hand write the Kings James Bible version of the book of Revelations in Reverse "tsirhC saw kcoR eht dna :meht dewollof taht ... Colin|niloC From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 03:25:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA32610; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:25:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:25:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36ACFFFC.76B6@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:36:28 +0000 From: Colin Jenkinson Reply-To: jeancolin@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: CGDAEG References: <19990125215356.2743.qmail@hotmail.com> <3.0.6.32.19990126000114.007c89f0@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n4Wsi3.0.Hm6.b_Mhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try tuning at first CGDAEE( strings 1 & 2 are in unison). Then slowly bring it up in half step increments. Each of the tunings: CGDAEE CGDAEF CGDAEF# & CGDAEG are lot of fun and the 1st string will tend not to break if you don't go strait to the G. Also try a gauge .8 or .9. Colin|niloC From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 03:26:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA00107; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:26:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:26:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990126070407.00984740@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:04:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: CGDAEG Resent-Message-ID: <"oSh6K.0.ye5.yaMhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 12:01 AM 1/26/99 -0600, Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: >Hi, all... > Have any of you guitarists on the list ever experimented with or are you >currently using the Guitar Craft New Standard Guitar Tuning (CGDAEG)? noooooooo!!!!!!! please not again!!!!! anything but that! I'll confess! anything you want!!! please, just no more Fripp guitar tunings! ahrrgggg I can't stand the pain...... oh...ehem. :-) check the list archives. Our finely feathered fripp fans have brought this up and discussed it to death with frippian verbosity at least 50 times over the past few years.....I'm sure that anything you could possibly want to know about breaking e strings is there somewhere. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 04:07:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA03663; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:07:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:07:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: "Loopers' Delight" Subject: RE: question Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:30:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000d01be4906$29501c60$22ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <36ACFD22.2A47@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <"UQo-E3.0.yB.7rNhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I sincerely want to thank everybody who has posted useful things to do when the muse goes missing. I have found myself going in negative eddies and feeling bad for it later, like watching too much television or vegetating, or going to too many movies, or not going out when I should, etc., the list goes on. Posts like these make it very evident that this list is a remarkable thing for me and I am ever so very grateful to read all of your words. You are becoming like good friends, all you dudes. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Colin Jenkinson [mailto:jeancolin@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday 25 January 1999 3:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: question My Top Ten Things to do when in need of inspiration: 10) Try to prove that you can't prove anything. 9)Stick my head in a cold shower. 8)Force myself to listen to a Radio station that I would not normaly listen to for an hour, 7)Embarass myself on the internet. 6)Try to rember the things that I would have rememberd if they were worth remembering. 5)See if my daughter can say "SuperNarsasiticFacistsPatriarclePinPricks" 4)E-mail Robert Fripp and tell him not to meet me at Flat 5, because it's all has been just a hoax. 3) quit taking my meds. 2) Ponder if just lurking on this E-mail list for me would probibly be a better idea for myself and others. 1) Hand write the Kings James Bible version of the book of Revelations in Reverse "tsirhC saw kcoR eht dna :meht dewollof taht ... Colin|niloC From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 04:14:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA04267; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:14:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:14:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990126083856.00738e68@mail.dada.it> X-Sender: cavallo@mail.dada.it X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:38:56 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: CGDAEG Resent-Message-ID: <"nUN-O1.0.DJ.dxNhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 23.04 25/01/99 -0800, you wrote: >At 12:01 AM 1/26/99 -0600, Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: >>Hi, all... >> Have any of you guitarists on the list ever experimented with or are you >>currently using the Guitar Craft New Standard Guitar Tuning (CGDAEG)? > >noooooooo!!!!!!! please not again!!!!! anything but that! I'll confess! >anything you want!!! please, just no more Fripp guitar tunings! ahrrgggg I >can't stand the pain...... > hey Kim, wasn't you attending the last Guitar Craft seminar? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ciao leo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 04:34:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA06074; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 04:34:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: mpeters@csi.com Message-ID: <01BE4912.5DAF6F90.mpeters@csi.com> From: Michael Peters To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: AW: CGDAEG Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:56:39 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wW8Bu.0.id.79Ohs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > noooooooo!!!!!!! please not again!!!!! anything but that! I'll confess! > anything you want!!! please, just no more Fripp guitar tunings! ahrrgggg I > can't stand the pain...... ROFL! * Michael Peters: mpeters@csi.com * escape veloopity: electronic guitar loop music * hop - fractals in motion: strange attractors * http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mpeters From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 05:33:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA10501; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:33:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:33:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990126050328.00798730@earthlink.net> X-Sender: cqlung@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 05:03:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Q Subject: one more plea... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1QVAd3.0.V_1.-8Phs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Howdy y'all...I know I've asked this before, and I know that I'm probably the 18 billionth person to ask it again, but, does anyone have a Jam Man for sale? I've looked and looked and looked, you all know the story. Occasionally I find one, but it's gone faster than I can get my mail. Any leads, info, suggestions or even equipment alternatives that are reasonably priced would be more than appreciated. Thanks to all...CQ www.jigglethehandle.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 07:41:32 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA23859; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:41:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:41:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:25:52 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CGDAEG Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"_bszR1.0.aK5.kGRhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My keys snap off when I tune my Korg Prophecy to that tuning too! It must be something malevolent about the actual sounds produced, methinks? Hawkeye From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 08:02:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA26872; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:02:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:02:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36ADB8B1.D0627012@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:44:33 +0100 From: Claude Voit Reply-To: c.voit@vtx.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en-US,fr-BE,en-GB,af MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: question References: <11e3fe26.36acbf60@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7Z8Ue1.0.056.JaRhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.. My great source of relief when nothing is fresh anymore is Mick goodrick's Advancing guitarist ISBN 0-88188-589-4 Ive been working on or just reading it for 10 years now I'm still puzzled by all the questions he lets me answer by myself Check it out and tell me in ten years Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 09:46:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA07497; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:46:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:46:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990126083532.007c0460@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:35:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: CGDAEG In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990126070407.00984740@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6WKng2.0.QX1.t9Ths"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Erg, Sorry 'bout that. Just ignore me. Jeff McLeod At 11:04 PM 1/25/99 -0800, you wrote: > >noooooooo!!!!!!! please not again!!!!! anything but that! I'll confess! >anything you want!!! please, just no more Fripp guitar tunings! ahrrgggg I >can't stand the pain...... > > >oh...ehem. :-) check the list archives. Our finely feathered fripp fans have >brought this up and discussed it to death with frippian verbosity at least >50 times over the past few years.....I'm sure that anything you could >possibly want to know about breaking e strings is there somewhere. > >kim >________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 >ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 11:28:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA21046; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:28:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:28:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9901260915.0D07700@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 99 09:15:28 -0700 Subject: Ow! To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"aYBXe2.0.cl4.ahUhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com The main thing to remember about the "New Standard" Tuning is that like the Red Rider Sure Shot BB Gun, if your not careful you might shoot your eye out. Also the higher tension makes for excellant results when slicing cheese. B.Helm From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 13:52:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA14098; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:52:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:52:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AE0F64.5246@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:54:30 -0800 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Midi,analogue,effects,effects,effects.. References: <3.0.5.32.19990126012553.007a1720@pop.ici.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"v546y.0.ig2.DkWhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Eagerly awaiting my group buy Echoplex,And inspired by Chuck Zwicky's incredibly efficient and powerful rackmount set-up,I have been contemplating puttting all of my looping in 1 rack.(bring it to every gig!less then half an hour to set-up!!sneak loops into unsuspecting environments!!!)In particular I've been looking at the Axon system and doing most things in Midi. 1.Does anyone have experience with said device? Including the soundboard? 2.I would love to hear the opinions of this group about their favorite rackmount signal processers and the pros and cons of going "digital". Thamks in advance for your time,attention,and sonic sophistication, scott http://www.basscapes.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 14:35:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA23851; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:35:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:35:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AE152D.DE0E3068@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:19:14 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: question References: <11e3fe26.36acbf60@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ekkno3.0.NW4.gIXhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall > and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows > ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of > tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any > methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of > waiting?...........michael my theory has been that a muse sought after makes itself scarce in a nanosecond. my advise, chill on trying, and go find something to do that you've perhaps been neglecting (fill in the blank). i often wonder if the muse departs as a signal that there is important business elsewhere. if you've already taken care of whatever other stuff there is and still nothing seems to flow, maybe striking up some kind of dialogue (sounds horribly new-aged, but shit, if it works...) with that ol' bad muse and see what she wants of you. sometimes this is as simple (or complex) as jotting down your dreams and mulling them over in your head (or use an analyst if ya got one). if this doesn't prove fruitful, then getting some quiet time alone with yourself and trying to conjure up a voice for her can work. i've not had as much luck with the latter method, but i suppose more evolved beings can do some amazing things wit it. another approach that's worked for me in the past is to get out and do something physically challenging (fill in the blank), appropriate to your local climate zone, of course... good luck! lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 14:41:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA25317; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:41:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:41:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36AE1603.1D71@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:22:43 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: change ringing, was: dual loop technique? References: <82a9a177.36a9292f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vK1fE3.0.0T4.OIXhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My apologies for the delayed response. Hope this isn't too much info. Change Ringing -------------- (Most of this stuff is from "The New Grove Dictionary of Musical Instruments.") Change ringing is traditionally performed by multiple ringers, one ringer per bell. When a ringer sounds a bell during change ringing, he or she pulls the bell rope, the bell rings once and returns to a resting position. Hence the bells are strictly controlled as to when they sound. Given a set of bells, change ringing consists of sounding the bells in a predetermined order. Various techniques are used to produce a sequence of ringing. A "plain hunt" on a set of bells, named 1, 2 and 3 appears as: 1 2 3 ----- 2 1 3 2 3 1 3 2 1 3 1 2 1 3 2 1 2 3 Three Bell Plain Hunt This means that the pattern begins on the first row with ringer 1, then ringer 2, and then ringer 3. Continuing with the second row ringer 2 sounds, then ringer 1, and then ringer 3. This continues until all the changes have been rung. Draw a line through any given bell in the pattern above and you will see the bell wander through the pattern in a serpentine manner. This is characteristic of the plain hunt. A plain hunt is generated by flipping the order of adjacent pairs of bells and alternating which pairs are flipped. With the set of three bells above, we have two transformations: 1) (ABC->ACB) where the last pair is flipped and 2) (ABC->BAC) where the first pair is flipped. We alternately apply transform 1 and 2. The second row of the Three Bell Plain Hunt is generated by transform 1 from the first row, the third row is transform 2 from the second, and so forth. With four bells, we flip the two outer pair and then the one inner pair: 1 2 3 4 ------- 2 1 4 3 2 4 1 3 4 2 3 1 4 3 2 1 3 4 1 2 3 1 4 2 1 3 2 4 1 2 3 4 Four Bell Plain Hunt Notice again, the path of any one bell through the pattern. Bell four, for example: 1 2 3 / ------- 2 1 / 3 2 / 1 3 / 2 3 1 \ 3 2 1 3 \ 1 2 3 1 \ 2 1 3 2 \ 1 2 3 / However, with four bells a plain hunt produces only 8 combinations of the possible 24 (4! = 24). Many techniques can be used to produce all the combinations. The Plain Bob is probably easiest to follow. (note: Bob has one o, not two.) With the Plain Bob, the Plain Hunt pattern is used until a repetition would result, then a dodge occurs. A dodge exchanges the order of the last pair. Hence every eighth row of a Plain Hunt has a dodge inserted. (Are you still with me on this? Shheessh this is terse...wish I could make it clearer.) A Four Bell Plain Bob looks like: 1 2 3 4 (start Plain hunt) ------- 2 1 4 3 2 4 1 3 4 2 3 1 4 3 2 1 3 4 1 2 3 1 4 2 1 3 2 4 (Dodge 2 and 4, otherwise we'd get 1 2 3 4) 1 3 4 2 (Plain hunt again) 3 1 2 4 3 2 1 4 2 3 4 1 2 4 3 1 4 2 1 3 4 1 2 3 1 4 3 2 (Dodge 3 and 2, otherwise we'd get 1 3 4 2) 1 4 2 3 (plain hunt again) 4 1 3 2 4 3 1 2 3 4 2 1 3 2 4 1 2 3 1 4 2 1 3 4 1 2 4 3 (Dodge 3 and 4, completes the changes) 1 2 3 4 So I've been experiementing with this to generate looped patterns. Traditionally, each bell sounds the same duration (time-wise). If you weren't using bells, say some stacato sound instead, the pattern might sound syncopated depending on the instruments, etc. I find it fascinating because it is highly structured but, depending on the length of the changes, the mind has difficulty grasping the pattern. - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 15:54:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA05703; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:54:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:54:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:41:01 -0500 From: Peter Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"z9WEq2.0.Ml.-UYhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Try going to the toy store. (Not GC, etc.--a real toy store.) Look and listen. Maybe zone in on the $ 0.99 stuff. Hope this helps, pete koniuto From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 17:16:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA17925; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:16:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:16:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990126220633.12030.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:06:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: one more plea... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"smvZS3.0.Ns3.SkZhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Lentine Music's web site shows a Jam Man for sale for $ 349. Look under Digital Delays. http://www.lentine.com ---Chris Q wrote: > > Howdy y'all...I know I've asked this before, and I know that I'm probably > the 18 billionth person to ask it again, but, does anyone have a Jam Man > for sale? I've looked and looked and looked, you all know the story. > Occasionally I find one, but it's gone faster than I can get my mail. Any > leads, info, suggestions or even equipment alternatives that are reasonably > priced would be more than appreciated. Thanks to all...CQ > www.jigglethehandle.com > > == John Tidwell _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 18:07:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28542; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:07:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:07:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AE493B.94A46393@home.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:01:15 -0800 From: Neil Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers List Subject: Re: question References: <11e3fe26.36acbf60@aol.com> <36AE152D.DE0E3068@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uymBe.0.xV6.HXahs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com lance glover wrote: > Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall > > and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows > > ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of > > tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any > > methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of > > waiting?...........michael > > my theory has been that a muse sought after makes itself scarce in a nanosecond. > my advise, chill on trying, and go find something to do that you've perhaps been > neglecting (fill in the blank). i often wonder if the muse departs as a signal > that there is important business elsewhere. if you've already taken care of > whatever other stuff there is and still nothing seems to flow, maybe striking up > some kind of dialogue (sounds horribly new-aged, but shit, if it works...) with > Yeah, that has worked for me too. Got it originally from the Ira Progoff "Journal Workshop" book. An aside (not a flame!): One of the interesting phenomena I see all over in interviews, on the Net and in person, is the "apologetic, condescending" tone toward "new-age" ideas. I do the same thing! Last thing want to do is appear to be one of "them". Might get pegged as a softie in a rough and tumble world where $$ and hipness are the coins of the realm??? Sad part is there are is so much there in the realm of ideas, spirit and creativity. Not to speak of all the cool Looping CDs that are found in the New Age section of the store, the "catch-all-that-cannot-be-categorized-elsewhere" category. FWIW -- Neil Goldstein Portland, Oregon USA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 18:20:54 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA31079; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:20:54 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:20:54 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <01BE493E.240D3D40.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> From: Steve Han Reply-To: "stevehan@transworld-lax.com" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Cc: "'Nemoguitt@aol.com'" Subject: RE: Nemoguitt's wall breaker Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:10:58 -0800 Organization: Transworld Freight Systems X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 62 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"5Kg3E.0.x87.Clahs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Michael, I can soooo relate to your "hitting the wall". But don't worry. If you are like me and probably many many of us loopers and scientific musicians, your creativity is just getting some rest, like a bear during hibernation. Try going to some local concerts to experience other musicians and their compositions and mediums. Try going to an art or perfomance arts museum. Try racket ball with your buddy or a nice drive to the local lake or mountains. My inspiration sometimes come from an event that has nothing to do with music. If you are a guitarist, pick up a bass or a harmonica and try composing. Try plucking your electric guitar, finger style, or pick up that classical guitar and compose 2 part, 3 part melody song. If these things do not work for you, then... try not touching your instruments for a day or a week. Most likely you have reached a platou where you are about to break through to another level of writing and creating. This may alarm you that you feel "spent" and/or "burnt" but this may be your recuperating period for something more intense and wonderful to follow. Perhaps this is a sign for you to try that road where you have not planned on taking, a completely new approach, a fresh angle of attack to writing your music. Don't be afraid to leave the things that had worked so well for you in the past. Just like that well-worn, comfortable shoes you've enjoyed for so long, now it's time to try another pair. You might find that you can maneuver in ways you you have never imagined in the past. Curbie From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:00:48 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: question Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com what do you all do when your muse goes on vacation?.......i have hit a wall and it seems all i am now doing is attempting to make "silk purses out of sows ears".....throughout december i was a nova of creativity, burnt miles of tape.....now for the last week or so i cant even buy a new idea.......any methods out there to re-kindle the spark or is it just a matter of waiting?...........michael ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 18:39:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA00888; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:39:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:39:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: <95e177d7.36ae5086@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:32:22 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CGDAEG Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"GsgIj1.0.D_7.L2bhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear Jeff, Haven't tried that one out yet, but it looks like it could be super cool. The tunings that I've worked with on a 12-string Steinberger guitar have been: Ee Aa Dd Gg BB EE Eg Ac Df Gb BB EE Dd Aa Dd Gg AA DD Dg Ad Da Gd Ad DD Dg Ad Dg Gc AA DD often gets changed to AA AA or CC CC Cc Gg Dd Aa GG GG often gets changed to DD DD Sometimes I use these on a 6 string, also a graphite neck so as to keep from breaking anything! LOL! Now if only I had a harp guitar like what Michael Hedges used with the appropriate synthesizer pickups... Sigh... I can dream can't I? Hope this helps out a bit. Tchus, Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 19:04:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA05325; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:04:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Crossedout@aol.com Message-ID: <5377975d.36ae5668@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:57:28 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"tqmj92.0.o01.WPbhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/25/99 6:46:39 PM Central Standard Time, tcn62@ici.net writes: << "spaghetti Eastern" >> while I found the whole mail chock full of good ideas and concepts, I had to respond to this one - check out the disc "Bombay the Hard Way" - a collection of film music from mid-70's "brownsploitation" pimp/spy/hustler movies from India..... loop content.... uhhhh, DJ Shadow and the Automator produced the comp, and a couple of tracks are definitely built from looped source material rather than being original score material in it's original form.... . - Crossedout@aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 19:49:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA12839; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:49:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:49:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:08:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Midi,analogue,effects,effects,effects.. Resent-Message-ID: <"mzXiE.0.ef2.80chs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On 1/26/99 Scott said: >In particular I've been looking at the Axon system and >doing most things in Midi. >1.Does anyone have experience with said device? Including the >soundboard? Scott, You should check into the Digital Guitar Group. Paolo is on this list and I'm sure will provide you with information on how to join. Patrick Now Available: FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT "fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 www.fingerpaint.net From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 20:45:50 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA23645; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:45:50 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:45:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <90b9a7ba.36ae6ce4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:33:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: thank you, thank you, thank you Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"W9myW2.0.fD5.lpchs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wow........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 23:14:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA14407; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:14:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:14:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AE8FA6.AE25D57C@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:01:42 +1100 From: Brad Knox Reply-To: B.Knox@latrobe.edu.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Nemoguitt's wall breaker References: <01BE493E.240D3D40.stevehan@transworld-lax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vnwHd2.0.PF3.h2fhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com wo dude... nice one another trick that seems to work is having an unexpected visit from your ex-girlfriend who you havent seen for two years with her new guy in tow... after that little episode i had a fantastic 90 minute journey that dived into some sort of deathly slow anarchy... i almost called her up and told her to come back around... almost From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tue Jan 26 23:47:40 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA19610; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:47:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:47:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980127043838.0068a4f0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:38:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: change ringing, was: dual loop technique? Resent-Message-ID: <"o14Rl3.0.0M4.8Vfhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dennis, The change ringing info was very cool. Thanks... Grover From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 01:05:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA30808; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:05:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:05:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AE5687.19480AFD@erols.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:58:10 +0100 From: "J.G. Wong" Reply-To: adaaxs@erols.com Organization: Uplink Hill Access Consulting / Tokusatsu Access Archive X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: synth-diy@mailhost.bpa.nl, mellotronists@lists.best.com, analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EMS Help May be OT for some of you. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yKX1E.0.y-6.rfghs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi All, I am very sorry for crossposting this, but I consider these essential places with people with similar concerns. and decent folks for the most part. Aside from having a Mellotron soon to go to the shop and needing help on building a Moog VCA and a KS clone I have a real problem. My EMS Synthi aks KS keyboard is not functioning properly. I get low note and then another note an octave or so higher on every pressure point above. I know how to use it so please no brush offs. . The sequencer functions but there is nothing to store but two notes. I needed this unit for a project I know that practical applications of this part of that synth is rare. Rare day today ! Robin Wood has told me there are no sanctioned US support centers and these things are not made anymore, they are rare and precious. I have talked to prolific posters an all of these lists and know that there are many of you who have and use and need these machines. Who can I trust to fix this without sending it to the UK for 26 weeks. If any of you, lurkers and posters can help pleasecontact me. Thanks G. Wong (Fiveman) From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 01:35:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA01807; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:35:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:35:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Kriist@aol.com Message-ID: <6890f820.36aeb1ec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:27:56 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"LG3Cy2.0.wE._6hhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/26/99 7:10:47 AM !!!First Boot!!!, tcn62@ici.net writes: > and a disclaimer: Just because I jot down an exotic ethnic scale on the > back of a slip of paper doesn't mean that I in any way consider myself an > expert in the musics of India, Java, Bali, Egypt, Turkey, Lebanon, etc., > and I hope I didn't imply otherwise in my earlier posting. Asian and Middle > Eastern musics are among the world's most challenging, and are generally > characterized by students sitting at the feet of their teachers for years > of disciplined study before being so presumptuous as to lay claim to any > musical proficiency. My suggestion of using ragas and gamelan scales drawn > at random from a hat can certainly lead to some interesting and original > results, particularly in the context of something like Oblique Strategies, > and can be extremely enjoyable, but is NOT in any way a claim of > proficiency, expertise or authenticity. It IS, however, one of many ways to > get out of the type of stagnant rut we have been discussing in this thread, > and it IS a good way to expose oneself to some great music. > > Have fun, > > Tim > Again, thank you. Rodrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 07:06:37 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA05414; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:06:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:06:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990127070455.0079f190@pop.ici.net> X-Sender: tcn62@pop.ici.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:04:55 -0800 To: adaaxs@erols.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: EMS Help May be OT for some of you. In-Reply-To: <36AE5687.19480AFD@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"b8kmg1.0.X11.e_lhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >essential places with people with similar concerns. and decent folks for >the most part. Thanks (for the most part)! > My EMS Synthi aks KS keyboard is not functioning properly. Since you don't specify which lists you've consulted, I'm not sure if you've already tried this (most likely you have), but the Synthfool site has recently expanded its Links page... http://www.synthfool.com/ Thanks to the MANY resources found there, I was able to resuscitate my long-dead SH-101. Unfortunately, your EMS IS rare and precious, so I can certainly understand the difficulty you're having getting it repaired. Good luck. You might try http://www.hinton.demon.co.uk/ems/emsmods.html but if you've spoken with Robin Wood, you probably already know that! Hope this helps, Tim From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 13:59:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA06735; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:59:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:59:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:42:32 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Expiredinmiddle: true X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Midi,analogue,effects,effects,effects.. X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iOd7P2.0.xq.ltrhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recently purchased an Axon AX-100SB, which I am playing with my Godin LGXT electric. I am extremely pleased (read "blown away") by the performance of both the Axon and the Godin. The AX-100 has no problem keeping up with my fastest runs, and it truly excels at picking up those subtleties of guitar playing, such as various degrees of string muting, which makes it killer for funk, for instance. I also belong to the Digital Guitar Forum; you may want to read my recent post to that list concerning the AX-100SB. I also posted a list of all the Axon dealers in the US. Steve Delgado -- On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:08:00 Patrick Smith wrote: >On 1/26/99 Scott said: > >>In particular I've been looking at the Axon system and >>doing most things in Midi. >>1.Does anyone have experience with said device? Including the >>soundboard? > >Scott, You should check into the Digital Guitar Group. Paolo is on this >list and I'm sure will provide you with information on how to join. > > >Patrick > >Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT > >"fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 > > www.fingerpaint.net > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 13:57:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA06432; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:57:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:57:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:42:00 -0000 From: "Esteban Delgado" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Midi,analogue,effects,effects,effects.. X-Sender-Ip: 209.212.192.49 Organization: QUALCOMM Eudora Web-Mail (http://www.eudoramail.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yDn1d1.0.-o.Atrhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I recently purchased an Axon AX-100SB, which I am playing with my Godin LGXT electric. I am extremely pleased (read "blown away") by the performance of both the Axon and the Godin. The AX-100 has no problem keeping up with my fastest runs, and it truly excels at picking up those subtleties of guitar playing, such as various degrees of string muting, which makes it killer for funk, for instance. I also belong to the Digital Guitar Forum; you may want to read my recent post to that list concerning the AX-100SB. I also posted a list of all the Axon dealers in the US. Steve Delgado -- On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:08:00 Patrick Smith wrote: >On 1/26/99 Scott said: > >>In particular I've been looking at the Axon system and >>doing most things in Midi. >>1.Does anyone have experience with said device? Including the >>soundboard? > >Scott, You should check into the Digital Guitar Group. Paolo is on this >list and I'm sure will provide you with information on how to join. > > >Patrick > >Now Available: > FingerPaint Primary Colors: BLUE > > "can be edgy and intense as well as relaxing...." FAQT > >"fascinating aural images...luminous portraits of sound & vision..." Outburn 8 > > www.fingerpaint.net > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 14:05:08 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA08103; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:05:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:05:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901271843.KAA12093@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Midi,analogue,effects,effects,effects.. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:43:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Patrick Smith" at Jan 26, 99 07:08:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YUuMs3.0.Zq.itrhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > On 1/26/99 Scott said: > > >In particular I've been looking at the Axon system and > >doing most things in Midi. > >1.Does anyone have experience with said device? Including the > >soundboard? > > Scott, You should check into the Digital Guitar Group. Paolo is on this > list and I'm sure will provide you with information on how to join. It's pretty simple. Just go to the web page in my .sig below and fill out the little form. Be sure to read the page while you're at it so that you are aware of the subscription options. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ To subscribe, go to the web page below: \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/subscribe.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 16:53:45 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA04403; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:53:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AF8877.6756@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:43:19 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: NAMM gathering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tym3I.0.Ka7.5Guhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Shall there be a predetermined LD meeting place/time for those of us at the show? Be kind of silly to have another situation like the one at the Torn concert last year, where there were five or six of us in the same room but nobody knew it! --A From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 17:23:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA11341; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:23:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:23:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:56:22 -0500 From: ppproductions@ccjonline.net (P Powdwer Productions) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looking for roland vs 1680?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"z8_s5.0.sr1.7tuhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com hey grettings from nyc i'm lookin for a used roland vs 1680..... also i was wondering if i can use my p.c. to harddrive multitrack its only a 166 mhz cpu any software suggestions? my mother board can only go up to 233....thanx for your time.... devin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 17:29:22 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA12474; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:29:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:29:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36AF8E97.7A82@mdbs.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:09:27 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: performance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uwmL93.0.nk1.aquhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com OK, this is my first time making a promotional announcement on the list. Please bear with me. Loopage (solo percussion, etc.) on Saturday. Here's the gory details: ---------------------------------------- Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 Time: 7:00 PM to 9:30 PM (it may go later) Place: Lighthouse Galleria and Bookstore 210 S. Main St. Crown Point, IN Phone: (219) 663-6398 ---------------------------------------- Crown Point is in "the region" near Chicago. If anybody wants more details, directions, etc., please e-mail me privately. Thank you and we now return you to your regularly scheduled program... - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 17:55:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA17271; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:55:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:55:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950CF33D@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Midnight Meltdown Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:33:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wVUav3.0.hI3.2Ivhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I don't get a chance to strut my looping stuff live in NYC all that often, so if anyone wants to hear what one Echoplex, a Dr. Sample and a cheap Casio Keyboard can do, come on down ! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You are invited to Mojo's MIDNIGHTMELTDOWN a p a r t y + p e r f o r m a n c e featuring live ambient soundscapes, loops + free improvisations by: Mike Rose - Sax James Keepnews - Guitar, Loops (EH 16sec.) Tom Rupolo - Keys & Loops Mark Johnson - Gtr and soundscapes multi-projector visual environment by TOTAL ECLIPSE MULTIMEDIA plus TOMMY T spins t r a n c e - l o u n g e Friday 2/5 11:30pm-4am @ CINEMA CLASSICS 60 seat movie theatre & cafe located on E11th st. btwn 1st & 2nd ave. only $5 at the door g u a r a n t e e d t o b l o w y o u r m i n d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 17:58:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA17971; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:58:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:58:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <401fd689.36af9664@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:42:44 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Seeking Cross Delay... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac sub 85 Resent-Message-ID: <"3J4nE1.0.fi3.VQvhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com My ennui has been eleviated recently by playing with a charming delay mode on my VG-8 that I have totally failed to find emulated anywhere else in my FX arsenal---which is surprising, since most of my other gear has a delay mode that is called something similar to what the V calls it: Cross (or Cross Feedback) Delay. On the V, you set up a main delay and a right or left delay with different times, so you get a sort of rhythm, such as 372ms and 596ms. The cool part is that the repeats (with a high feedback) come back like this: *.............*.....*.............*.............*.....*.............*......... ....*.....*.............*.............*....*, etc. On every other device I have that claims to do "cross delay," the full pattern is maintained only on the first go-round: *.............*.....*.............*.....*.............*.....*.............*... ..*, etc., which is obviousy more boring. Does anyone know of a delay that will duplicate the VG version of Cross Delay, but with a longer max time than 1000ms? I was certain my Korg DL8000R would do the trick, but no... It's a delightful way to build complex rhythms quickly from very sparse events; appreciate any clues... dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 18:01:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA18723; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:01:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:01:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901272251.OAA15085@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: NAMM gathering To: altruist@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:51:54 -0800 (PST) Cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <36AF8877.6756@earthlink.net> from "Andre LaFosse" at Jan 27, 99 01:43:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"exHKH3.0.0_3._Wvhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > Shall there be a predetermined LD meeting place/time for those of us at > the show? Be kind of silly to have another situation like the one at > the Torn concert last year, where there were five or six of us in the > same room but nobody knew it! > > --A I'll be at La Vee Lee on thursday night to watch Stick Night featuring a busload of Stick players. Tony Levin posted on his website that he may be in attendance even though he will not perform. I'm going to NAMM as a guest of Stick Enterprises so I'll be around that booth (of course I'll be all over teh place like the rest of y'all :)). Anyway, go ahead and set a time, guys! Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 18:00:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA18446; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:00:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:00:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36AF979B.4E564A5F@csi.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:47:55 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fractal Music Software References: <82a9a177.36a9292f@aol.com> <36AE1603.1D71@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KteoY2.0.hw3.8Vvhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com While we're on a few of these threads, I wanted to ask if any of you loopers have tried any fractal software such as FractMus (PC freeware): http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/4386/ I've used this to generate some wild MIDI sequences which I'm beginning to use in my MPC2000. All in all, it's a lot of fun for a bit of freeware (8 different algorithms including Morse-Thuse etc.). I do believe there is a lot of similar software available, though. Are any of you using these ideas for your stuff? I know that people like Autechre and Funkstörung have been using algorithmically generated sequences. Autechre, for example, bring their Powerbooks on stage and play around with the algorithm parameters to make subtle variations to their "songs". I thought I'd check with you seeing as we're dealing with "Change Ringing" (thanks Dennis!) and the various Greg Meredith posts (thanks too!). rob -the man cable- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 18:32:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24592; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:32:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:32:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990127181809.007cd2f0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: zanga@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:18:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Rik Myers Subject: Re: Seeking Cross Delay... In-Reply-To: <401fd689.36af9664@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"07atp2.0.kG5.wtvhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi David >My ennui has been eleviated recently by playing with a charming delay mode on >my VG-8 that I have totally failed to find emulated anywhere else in my FX >arsenal---which is surprising, since most of my other gear has a delay mode >that is called something similar to what the V calls it: Cross (or Cross >Feedback) Delay. On the V, you set up a main delay and a right or left delay >with different times, so you get a sort of rhythm, such as 372ms and 596ms. Hmm, I haven't sniffed this one out of the VG-8. Care to walk me (us) through it? (Loop content) Bet it would sound extra deluxe layered over a loop (whew!). Hasta -> Rico From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 18:34:06 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA24863; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:34:06 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:34:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:19:27 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fractal Music Software Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"IKNMK3.0.Ca5.u-vhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/27/99 11:01:49 PM, you wrote: <> Not for performance yet but for "jump starting" the creative juices I'll sometimes generate/tweak fractals in Kai Power Tools, import them into Metasynth, do some more tweakage, etc. etc. Good diversion from the finger= s on strings thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 19:58:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA03553; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:58:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:58:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: looking for roland vs 1680?? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000301be4a58$2b6c5510$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"qck6x2.0._W.0Gxhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com There's a guy in PA who's importing them, setting them up, and selling them for only a couple hundred more than his cost, which means you save $400-500 from retail Check out ... http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dome/5470/index.html -----Original Message----- From: P Powdwer Productions [mailto:ppproductions@ccjonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 4:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looking for roland vs 1680?? hey grettings from nyc i'm lookin for a used roland vs 1680..... also i was wondering if i can use my p.c. to harddrive multitrack its only a 166 mhz cpu any software suggestions? my mother board can only go up to 233....thanx for your time.... devin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 21:19:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA18077; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:19:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:19:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:10:07 -0500 (EST) From: Unit Circle Media To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dual Loop Techniques In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990126043541.00e093fc@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"q0vwN.0.a34.ERyhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Kim Flint wrote: > > Actually, I think it would be a great idea for a set of tutorial web pages > on the Looper's Delight site, with audio examples. Any volunteers want to > take it on? Remember, volunteers are what make this whole thing work, don't > hesitate to jump in there and add something of your own! I don't know if I'm up for the task of writing the tutorial, but I have a large set of short samples using this technique that I could Real-Audio-ify and put up on my server. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Wed Jan 27 21:46:36 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA22763; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:46:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:46:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <37856c4c.36afcd2d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:36:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, zanga@mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Seeking Cross Delay... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Resent-Message-ID: <"OcYpC.0.795.Etyhs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> ....Cross (or Cross >>Feedback) Delay. On the V, you set up a main delay and a right or left delay >>with different times, so you get a sort of rhythm, such as 372ms and 596ms. > >Hmm, I haven't sniffed this one out of the VG-8. Care to walk me (us) >through it? (Loop content) Bet it would sound extra deluxe layered over a >loop (whew!). > >Hasta -> Rico Couldn't be simpler. Go to the delay page, dial up Cross-FB type, set feedback around 96, Level more than 50%, then any two different times for the delay, keeping the Time amount under the max of 1023 (below 800 seems to work) and the R or L up around 250 to the max of 511 (try R371, T750). Push up the totals and the tap goes away. Then feed the thing little percussive events, snaps, etc... >From the Delay page, keep the Feedback Param. hi-lited and you can adjust the amount using the SW1 and Sw2 switches, if you've got 'em set right at the system level. I described this in the text of a patch set available at vg-8.com called LOOPClas, and there are patches using it under that heading, natch. enjoy... dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 00:56:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA13989; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:56:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:56:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:50:24 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: NAMM gathering Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Resent-Message-ID: <"XQ7rm.0.UD3.bf_hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/27/99 9:02:57 PM Mid-Atlantic Standard Time, pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu writes: << Shall there be a predetermined LD meeting place/time for those of us at > the show? Be kind of silly to have another situation like the one at > the Torn concert last year, where there were five or six of us in the > same room but nobody knew it! > >> thus the need for really big looper delite hats.........michael From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 01:15:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA15991; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:15:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:15:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990128060533.00a0d334@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:05:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: NAMM gathering Resent-Message-ID: <"CEDlU1.0.Se3.mt_hs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm definitely up for a NAMM get-together. I'm leaving fo LA early thursday, so I guess if any resolution happens to this, I'm not gonna see it. So I'll just propose a meeting Saturday, 1:30 at the Stick booth (since Paolo mentioned that one....). We can get some lunch or something. Hope to see you there..... kim At 02:51 PM 1/27/99 -0800, Paolo Valladolid wrote: >> Shall there be a predetermined LD meeting place/time for those of us at >> the show? Be kind of silly to have another situation like the one at >> the Torn concert last year, where there were five or six of us in the >> same room but nobody knew it! >> >> --A > >I'll be at La Vee Lee on thursday night to watch Stick Night featuring >a busload of Stick players. Tony Levin posted on his website that he >may be in attendance even though he will not perform. > >I'm going to NAMM as a guest of Stick Enterprises so I'll be around that >booth (of course I'll be all over teh place like the rest of y'all :)). > >Anyway, go ahead and set a time, guys! > >Paolo > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint, MTS 408-752-9284 ATI Research kflint@chromatic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 01:40:33 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA18427; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:40:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:40:33 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: doug@mail.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990128060533.00a0d334@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:23:25 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: NAMM gathering Resent-Message-ID: <"oVZTT.0.q04.N60is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 22:05 -0800 1/27/99, Kim Flint wrote: > I'm definitely up for a NAMM get-together. I'm leaving fo LA early thursday, > so I guess if any resolution happens to this, I'm not gonna see it. So I'll > just propose a meeting Saturday, 1:30 at the Stick booth (since Paolo > mentioned that one....). We can get some lunch or something. Hope to see you > there..... Thanks, Kim, I was hoping someone would just come up with a time and place ... my flight is in 5 hours. See you (collectively) there, then, my sanity permitting. Doug -- Doug Wyatt doug@sonosphere.com Sonosphere (electric/improv music) http://www.sonosphere.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 03:34:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id DAA31056; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:34:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:34:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199901280828.AAA21275@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: NAMM gathering To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 00:28:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19990128060533.00a0d334@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Jan 27, 99 10:05:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OzfyN2.0.cQ7.Oz1is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > I'm definitely up for a NAMM get-together. I'm leaving fo LA early thursday, > so I guess if any resolution happens to this, I'm not gonna see it. So I'll > just propose a meeting Saturday, 1:30 at the Stick booth (since Paolo > mentioned that one....). We can get some lunch or something. Hope to see you > there..... > > kim Hmm... Michael Manring is scheduled at 1pm that day, but supposedly Zon usually has a booth next door to Stick Enterprises, sooo.... I hear these concerts never last more than 15 min. so I should make it. I guess I'll try wearing my SD (Padres) baseball cap again (please don't kill me if you're a Dodger fan, it's just my form of identification to other listers. :)). Paolo From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 04:10:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA01496; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:10:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:10:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Dual Loop Techniques Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:04:36 -0800 Message-ID: <001101be4a9d$3a888920$2dceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"OgA3R3.0.zI.sY2is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Kim et al, I volunteer again to HTML the pages. If anybody wants to coordinate with me the step-by-step stuff, the graphics, etc., I'll link up everything. Javier -----Original Message----- From: Unit Circle Media [mailto:unitcirc@unitcircle.com] Sent: Wednesday 27 January 1999 6:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dual Loop Techniques On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Kim Flint wrote: > > Actually, I think it would be a great idea for a set of tutorial web pages > on the Looper's Delight site, with audio examples. Any volunteers want to > take it on? Remember, volunteers are what make this whole thing work, don't > hesitate to jump in there and add something of your own! I don't know if I'm up for the task of writing the tutorial, but I have a large set of short samples using this technique that I could Real-Audio-ify and put up on my server. Kevin Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 04:36:26 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA03519; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:36:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:36:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> X-Sender: chuck.zwicky@wavefront.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:35:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chuck Zwicky Subject: Tap-Tempo delay stompbox? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"805Cb1.0._l.xv2is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Has anyone run across a delay stompbox with a tap-tempo feature? -Chuck Zwicky ........................................................................... But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on computers. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 05:08:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA06095; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:08:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:08:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:01:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001DD19A.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Looping near London [UK]; & transatlantic loop update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1eLMs.0.TO1.4P3is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi all Brief publicity blurb: ====================== I've been invited to fill the Croydon ClockTower atrium with sound this Saturday (30th) as interim entertainment for the film goers at the Croydon Film Festival. Details, times, map etc via: A number of recent MP3 files can now be downloaded via: Transatlantic loop update: ========================== Another example of my on-going collaboration with fellow list member, James H Sidlo, is now available via: Thanks for your time! Cheers David From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 10:47:53 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA09529; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:47:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:47:53 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: dmgraph@mail.earthlink.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36AF979B.4E564A5F@csi.com> References: <82a9a177.36a9292f@aol.com> <36AE1603.1D71@mdbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:36:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Laptops (off topic) Resent-Message-ID: <"IlPW01.0.jx1.DF8is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com After dissing the computer for music use for years, I'm finally getting into it on my Mac. But I may be interested in a PC for business reasons, and if I could get a laptop that I could do music performance with, now that would be interesting. Question: anybody have experience with PC laptops for music? Would want to use at least ReBirth on it and get quality audio out; little concern about MIDI. Or: can someone point me to a list where I might get answers? Thanks to all.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 11:46:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA19528; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:46:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:46:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "William A. Cummings" To: Subject: RE: Laptops (off topic) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:27:36 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01be4ae3$7f557090$7f3f9ad1@bill-s-computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"XXPrq.0.nU3.1v8is"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Brian Smithers maintains a web site that covers making music with notebook computers, so check that out at http://members.aol.com/notebooks1 -----Original Message----- From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Laptops (off topic) After dissing the computer for music use for years, I'm finally getting into it on my Mac. But I may be interested in a PC for business reasons, and if I could get a laptop that I could do music performance with, now that would be interesting. Question: anybody have experience with PC laptops for music? Would want to use at least ReBirth on it and get quality audio out; little concern about MIDI. Or: can someone point me to a list where I might get answers? Thanks to all.... David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 13:12:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA01176; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:12:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:12:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Subject: RE: looking for roland vs 1680?? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 99 10:59:16 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Doug Tapia To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <1294576294-31062201@arts.unco.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"_PHpc1.0.zT7.BIAis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >There's a guy in PA who's importing them, setting them up, and selling them >for only a couple hundred more than his cost, which means you save $400-500 >from retail > >Check out ... >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dome/5470/index.html > Who pays retail? My local (some would even say overpriced) sells VS 1680s every day for $2399.00. This same store is a service center for Roland products, and the folks know the stuff they're selling (and none of their units fell off the back of a truck.) Once again folks, support your local dealer, as I'm sure they can cut you a deal at least this good if you JUST ASK. happy looping, -doug From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 13:55:15 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA07610; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:55:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:55:15 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B0AECE.13413C8B@hom.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:39:11 -0500 From: Daniel Ferguson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tap-Tempo delay stompbox? References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V62EV2.0.MJ1.XzAis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Check out the Boss DD-5 Digital Delay stomp box. You need a external foot switch to tap. Daniel Ferguson Chuck Zwicky wrote: > Has anyone run across a delay stompbox with a tap-tempo feature? > > -Chuck Zwicky > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 14:22:24 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA11842; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:22:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:22:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B0AA81.456B36FF@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:20:50 -0200 From: Alexandre Tavares Frias Reply-To: atfrias@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tap-Tempo delay stompbox? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4nOYR3.0.tM2.JMBis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Chuck Zwicky wrote: > Has anyone run across a delay stompbox with a tap-tempo feature? > > -Chuck Zwicky > > ............. > ............................................................. > But they are useless. They can only give you answers. -Picasso, on > computers. The Zoom 508 has this function available if you plug an external footswitch. It is very programable and have 4 seconds of delay or looping and has the cool abilitym of simulate the loss of high frequency content in echo repeats. Excelent along my JamMan, GR-1, ME-5 and other fx's or as a mini looping setup with 505 and an inseparable E-bow. Alex Frias. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 14:51:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA16187; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:51:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:51:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B0BBBA.6AFA5BFD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:34:21 -0800 From: lance glover Reply-To: baumhaus@earthlink.net Organization: treehouse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Seeking Cross Delay... References: <401fd689.36af9664@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fv3_y1.0.LC3.MiBis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > My ennui has been eleviated recently by playing with a charming delay mode on > my VG-8 that I have totally failed to find emulated anywhere else in my FX > arsenal---which is surprising, since most of my other gear has a delay mode > that is called something similar to what the V calls it: Cross (or Cross > Feedback) Delay. On the V, you set up a main delay and a right or left delay > with different times, so you get a sort of rhythm, such as 372ms and 596ms. > The cool part is that the repeats (with a high feedback) come back like this: > *.............*.....*.............*.............*.....*.............*......... > ....*.....*.............*.............*....*, etc. > On every other device I have that claims to do "cross delay," the full pattern > is maintained only on the first go-round: > *.............*.....*.............*.....*.............*.....*.............*... > ..*, etc., > which is obviousy more boring. Does anyone know of a delay that will duplicate > the VG version of Cross Delay, but with a longer max time than 1000ms? > I was certain my Korg DL8000R would do the trick, but no... > It's a delightful way to build complex rhythms quickly from very sparse > events; appreciate any clues... > dpc you've piqued my interest, mate. i know a number of patches made their way to the roland VS880 from the VG8. i'll do a little pecking around on the '880 tonight to see if i can't replicate what you've found. thanks for the tip, lance g. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 15:09:42 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA19219; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:09:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:09:42 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B04F4D.64C@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:51:41 +0000 From: Colin Jenkinson Reply-To: jeancolin@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Tap-Tempo delay stompbox? References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cVxt31.0.9r3.gyBis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com yes , The Boss DD5. Colin|niloC PS The box makes wonderful noises when it's battery dies. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 15:01:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA17732; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:01:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:01:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36B0AECE.13413C8B@hom.net> References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:44:22 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: New Akai delay pedal-E1 Headrush Tap Delay/Tape Echo Simulator/Looping Recorder Resent-Message-ID: <"lsTzZ1.0.Nf3.buBis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I'm not into looping myself, but I'm guessing that some of you may be interested in the new Akai delay pedal being released this weekend at the NAMM show. The info is from the Akaipro website at... http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html and http://www.akai.com/akaipro/press/9901-FX.html Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA E1 Headrush Tap Delay / Tape Echo Simulator / Looping Recorder 16 bit Digital Delay - Delay time from 0.5ms to 23.8sec Tape Echo mode with 4 tape-head parallel outputs for amplifier or mixer inputs. Simulates an analog 4-head tape echo machine Looping Recorder with overdub mode - Powerful tool for solo performances Max. Recording time is 11.9 sec for loop recording HEAD GAP adjusts the delay time between the heads Delay time is from 10ms to 5.9 sec HF Damp simulates an analog delay sound Feedback sets the feedback level for repeat times Ratio allows adjustment of wet and dry mix Dynamic delay control - sets the delay time by tapping the footswitch twice True Bypass AKAI INTRODUCES A NEW LINE OF EFFECTS PEDALS (January 1999) FORT WORTH, Texas - Akai, a recognized leader in the design and manufacture of innovative audio products, introduced the new line of guitar effects pedals at the January 1999 NAMM show in booth #4373. Slated for delivery in February 1999, the five new effects pedals combine the best vintage sounds with today's feature options in a stylish and easy-to-use design. The Akai Headrush is the first effects pedal offering a high quality sound delay, tape echo simulator and a looping recorder in one. User selectable delay options allow for maximum control of signal output and include several timing and level adjustment selections as well as the feedback level for repeats. Headrush also simulates an analog tape echo machine, providing four tape-head parallel outputs for amplifier or mixer input, while the looping recorder with overdub mode is a powerful tool for the solo musician. Headrush features left and right foot switch controls and LED display. Depending upon which mode is selected, the left switch controls the on/off and play/stop functions, while the right side sets desired delay time, recording and overdub options. The LED display indicates which effect in use and blinks in time showing the delay time selected. Suggested retail price of the Akai Headrush is $259.00. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 15:51:05 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA27870; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:51:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:51:05 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950CF373@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Desktops (off topic) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:05:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"iY-vD1.0.qc4.zDCis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is good info to have. Is there any such site for desktop PCs or Macs that anyone knows of? > -----Original Message----- > From: William A. Cummings [SMTP:billcumm@sprynet.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:28 PM > To: TRUPOLO@rizzoliusa.com > Subject: RE: Laptops (off topic) > > Brian Smithers maintains a web site that covers making music with > notebook > computers, so check that out at http://members.aol.com/notebooks1 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Myers [mailto:dmgraph@pulsewidth.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Laptops (off topic) > > After dissing the computer for music use for years, I'm finally > getting > into it on my Mac. But I may be interested in a PC for business > reasons, > and if I could get a laptop that I could do music performance with, > now > that would be interesting. > > Question: anybody have experience with PC laptops for music? Would > want to > use at least ReBirth on it and get quality audio out; little concern > about > MIDI. Or: can someone point me to a list where I might get answers? > Thanks to all.... > > David Myers From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 16:39:04 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA08024; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:39:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:39:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B0D317.F05CF61A@uswest.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:13:59 -0700 From: "James Lanpheer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en]C-USWC0720 (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Akai delay pedal-E1 Headrush Tap Delay/Tape Echo Simulator/Looping Recorder References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4-d6L.0.d4.IBDis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Interesting place to find a comment from someone who is "not into looping"... :o] Cheers, Jim Simon wrote: > I'm not into looping myself, but I'm guessing that some of you may be > interested in the new Akai delay pedal being released this weekend at the > NAMM show. > > The info is from the Akaipro website at... > > http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html > > and > > http://www.akai.com/akaipro/press/9901-FX.html > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA > > E1 Headrush Tap Delay / Tape Echo Simulator / Looping Recorder > > 16 bit Digital Delay - Delay time from 0.5ms to 23.8sec > Tape Echo mode with 4 tape-head parallel outputs for amplifier or mixer inputs. > Simulates an analog 4-head tape echo machine > Looping Recorder with overdub mode - Powerful tool for solo performances > Max. Recording time is 11.9 sec for loop recording > HEAD GAP adjusts the delay time between the heads > Delay time is from 10ms to 5.9 sec > HF Damp simulates an analog delay sound > Feedback sets the feedback level for repeat times > Ratio allows adjustment of wet and dry mix > Dynamic delay control - sets the delay time by tapping the footswitch twice > True Bypass > > AKAI INTRODUCES A NEW LINE OF EFFECTS PEDALS > > (January 1999) FORT WORTH, Texas - Akai, a > recognized leader in the design and manufacture of > innovative audio products, introduced the new line of guitar > effects pedals at the January 1999 NAMM show in booth > #4373. > > Slated for delivery in February 1999, the five new effects > pedals combine the best vintage sounds with today's feature > options in a stylish and easy-to-use design. > > The Akai Headrush is the first effects pedal offering a high > quality sound delay, tape echo simulator and a looping > recorder in one. User selectable delay options allow for > maximum control of signal output and include several > timing and level adjustment selections as well as the > feedback level for repeats. Headrush also simulates an > analog tape echo machine, providing four tape-head parallel > outputs for amplifier or mixer input, while the looping > recorder with overdub mode is a powerful tool for the solo > musician. > > Headrush features left and right foot switch controls and > LED display. Depending upon which mode is selected, the > left switch controls the on/off and play/stop functions, while > the right side sets desired delay time, recording and overdub > options. The LED display indicates which effect in use and > blinks in time showing the delay time selected. Suggested > retail price of the Akai Headrush is $259.00. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 17:31:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA19720; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:31:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:31:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <40222c7b.36b0dd8e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:58:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New Akai delay pedal-E1 Headrush Tap Delay/Tape Echo Simulator/Looping Re... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"FjAlv1.0.-J3.FuDis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com perhaps he plays a looper on tv? =-) PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 17:51:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA23333; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:51:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:51:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Sender: r_t_cummings@csi.com Message-ID: <36B0E6A1.E32619EB@csi.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:37:21 +0100 From: Cummings X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Akai delay pedal-E1 Headrush Tap Delay/Tape Echo Simulator/Looping Recorder References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LkXeH3.0.Rp4.xKEis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Oh boy, that's going to be real show-stealer on this list. That's the first new looper in quite a while ... Rob Simon schrieb: > > I'm not into looping myself, but I'm guessing that some of you may be > interested in the new Akai delay pedal being released this weekend at the > NAMM show. > > The info is from the Akaipro website at... > > http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html > > and > > http://www.akai.com/akaipro/press/9901-FX.html > > Simon > Canberra > AUSTRALIA > > E1 Headrush Tap Delay / Tape Echo Simulator / Looping Recorder > > 16 bit Digital Delay - Delay time from 0.5ms to 23.8sec > Tape Echo mode with 4 tape-head parallel outputs for amplifier or mixer inputs. > Simulates an analog 4-head tape echo machine > Looping Recorder with overdub mode - Powerful tool for solo performances > Max. Recording time is 11.9 sec for loop recording > HEAD GAP adjusts the delay time between the heads > Delay time is from 10ms to 5.9 sec > HF Damp simulates an analog delay sound > Feedback sets the feedback level for repeat times > Ratio allows adjustment of wet and dry mix > Dynamic delay control - sets the delay time by tapping the footswitch twice > True Bypass > > AKAI INTRODUCES A NEW LINE OF EFFECTS PEDALS > > (January 1999) FORT WORTH, Texas - Akai, a > recognized leader in the design and manufacture of > innovative audio products, introduced the new line of guitar > effects pedals at the January 1999 NAMM show in booth > #4373. > > Slated for delivery in February 1999, the five new effects > pedals combine the best vintage sounds with today's feature > options in a stylish and easy-to-use design. > > The Akai Headrush is the first effects pedal offering a high > quality sound delay, tape echo simulator and a looping > recorder in one. User selectable delay options allow for > maximum control of signal output and include several > timing and level adjustment selections as well as the > feedback level for repeats. Headrush also simulates an > analog tape echo machine, providing four tape-head parallel > outputs for amplifier or mixer input, while the looping > recorder with overdub mode is a powerful tool for the solo > musician. > > Headrush features left and right foot switch controls and > LED display. Depending upon which mode is selected, the > left switch controls the on/off and play/stop functions, while > the right side sets desired delay time, recording and overdub > options. The LED display indicates which effect in use and > blinks in time showing the delay time selected. Suggested > retail price of the Akai Headrush is $259.00. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 18:18:18 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA29918; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:18:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:18:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950CF39D@EXCHANGENY> From: Thomas Rupolo To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reposting of NYC looping gig Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:03:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"BtyOq.0.UP6.ErEis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I posted this shameful plug yesterday but didn't see it. I apologize if this is redundant... I don't get a chance to strut my looping stuff live in NYC all that often, so if anyone wants to hear what one Echoplex, a Dr. Sample and a cheap Casio Keyboard can do, come on down ! You are invited to Mojo's MIDNIGHTMELTDOWN a p a r t y + p e r f o r m a n c e featuring: live ambient soundscapes, loops + free improvisations by: Mike Rose - Sax James Keepnews - Guitar, Loops (EH 16sec.) Tom Rupolo - Keys & Loops Mark Johnson - Gtr and soundscapes multi-projector visual environment by TOTAL ECLIPSE MULTIMEDIA plus TOMMY T spins t r a n c e - l o u n g e Friday 2/5 11:30pm-4am @ CINEMA CLASSICS 60 seat movie theatre & cafe located on E11th st. btwn 1st & 2nd ave. only $5 at the door g u a r a n t e e d t o b l o w y o u r m i n d From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 20:25:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA30595; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:25:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:25:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B10B1F.55435337@texas.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:13:08 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for Roland vs 1680?? References: <000001be4b1e$b2111a80$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nDwPC3.0.3J6.SgGis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com please don't get into a fight. bobdog From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 20:31:51 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA32231; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:31:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:31:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:22:58 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199901290122.TAA05092@mw4.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: San Antonio radio show KSYM 90.1 FM Jan 28 9:00pm CST Resent-Message-ID: <"CXKF8.0._67.eqGis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello any local list members that check their E-mail in the next couple hours. Tonight I will be featuring some music from my 2 CDs, and some Theorem 5 live shows at 9:00pm CST on KSYM 90.1 Broadcasting from San Antonio College its kind of a short notice thing,,but just in case.. tune in and take care james From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 20:57:55 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA05271; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:57:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:57:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: Yamaha SU700 Announced At NAMM Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 20:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be4b29$354ca3b0$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <910DB0F2FCC3D111B22C00805F654C950CF39D@EXCHANGENY> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"a_8in3.0.Fk.nAHis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It's been a long time coming, so check it out ... http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Yamaha/SU700.html From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 22:19:47 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA17302; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:19:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:19:47 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B12523.ACA06868@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:04:03 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, simon@dynamite.com.au Subject: Re: New Akai delay pedal-E1 Headrush Tap Delay/Tape EchoSimulator/Looping Recorder References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cBTji1.0.bj3.wKIis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hey Simon, This thing looks very tasty indeed... is that $259 aus or u.s? not into looping? a pity.. there a not that many of us in oz... cheers, brad Simon wrote: > > http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html > > and > > http://www.akai.com/akaipro/press/9901-FX.html > > > > E1 Headrush Tap Delay / Tape Echo Simulator / Looping Recorder > > 16 bit Digital Delay - Delay time from 0.5ms to 23.8sec > Tape Echo mode with 4 tape-head parallel outputs for amplifier or mixer inputs. > Simulates an analog 4-head tape echo machine > Looping Recorder with overdub mode - Powerful tool for solo performances > Max. Recording time is 11.9 sec for loop recording > HEAD GAP adjusts the delay time between the heads > Delay time is from 10ms to 5.9 sec > HF Damp simulates an analog delay sound > Feedback sets the feedback level for repeat times > Ratio allows adjustment of wet and dry mix > Dynamic delay control - sets the delay time by tapping the footswitch twice > True Bypass From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 22:51:14 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA18864; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:48:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:48:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "Douglas Lawrence" To: Subject: RE: looking for Roland vs 1680?? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:31:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be4b1e$b2111a80$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <1294576294-31062201@arts.unco.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"kiuof2.0.GI3.R4Gis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> My local (some would even say overpriced) sells VS 1680s >> every day for $2399.00 Once again folks, support your >> local dealer, as I'm sure they can cut you a deal at least >> this good if you JUST ASK. Yeah, but this guy can do about $2550 ~TOTAL~, including a 4 GB hard drive and both effects cards. That's a very tough price to match, no matter how much you ask your local retailer. In fact, I did, neither Sam Ash, 8th Street Music, or Thoroughbred Music would match this deal. Is $400-500 savings worth it for you? From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 22:54:00 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id TAA18991; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:48:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:48:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199901281825.NAA24400@badboy.micro.lucent.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, analogue@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: EMS Help May be OT for some of you. Resent-Message-ID: <"jjE692.0.VS3.57Gis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Yo Fiveman, > My EMS Synthi aks KS keyboard is not functioning properly. I get > low note and then another note an octave or so higher on every pressure > point above. I know how to use it so please no brush offs. . The > sequencer functions but there is nothing to store but two notes. I > needed this unit for a project I know that practical applications of Try Rich Marshall at mailto:arcsound@ix.netcom.com for general analog synth repairs. Perhaps he can help you. Bill home: billfox@fast.net work: BillFox@lucent.com ============================================================================== Host of Emusic, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Email me if you wish to submit music for airplay consideration. ============================================================================== My radio show: http://wdiyfm.org My band site: http://www.crosswinds.net/allentown/~shadowplay From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thu Jan 28 23:42:57 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA29070; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:42:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:42:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: M3chakucha@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:28:42 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Desktops (off topic) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Resent-Message-ID: <"oWCr53.0.Ff6.jZJis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Dear all, Check out this e-group: pc-daw@missionrec.com / pc-daw-digest- subscribe@missionrec.com They should be able to help out as far as questions go for Audio on PC's... Lee-ohki. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 00:17:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA01494; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:17:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:17:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@mail.purity.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000301be4a58$2b6c5510$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:13:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Dumping EDP samples to Akai Resent-Message-ID: <"tiiZV.0.N3.N9Kis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hello, Has anyone out there successfully dumped a loop from the EDP to an Akai S Series Sampler? The documentation for this feature on both boxes is pretty slim. I've been able to get a sample from the Akai (S3000XL) to the EDP, but the other way around still eludes me. I'd rather not use the computer as a middleman, but is anyone doing it that way? Thanks, Travis. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 00:27:25 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id AAA03015; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:27:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:27:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990128231739.007d1b10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:17:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: CGDAEG In-Reply-To: <95e177d7.36ae5086@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Gmax92.0.ZM.0HKis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the info! I really appreciate it! Sincerely, Jeff McLeod At 06:32 PM 1/26/99 EST, you wrote: >Dear Jeff, > > Haven't tried that one out yet, but it looks like it could be super cool. >The tunings that I've worked with on a 12-string Steinberger guitar have been: >Ee Aa Dd Gg BB EE >Eg Ac Df Gb BB EE >Dd Aa Dd Gg AA DD >Dg Ad Da Gd Ad DD >Dg Ad Dg Gc AA DD often gets changed to AA AA or CC CC >Cc Gg Dd Aa GG GG often gets changed to DD DD > >Sometimes I use these on a 6 string, also a graphite neck so as to keep from >breaking anything! LOL! Now if only I had a harp guitar like what Michael >Hedges used with the appropriate synthesizer pickups... Sigh... I can dream >can't I? > >Hope this helps out a bit. >Tchus, >Lee-ohki. > > > > > > __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 01:06:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA08788; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:06:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:06:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990129055618.18273.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:56:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: OT: VS-1680, VS-880, VG-8 Roland Virtual To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"okW-B.0.Wl1.5qKis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I must agree that I have been able to buy Roland VS880, VS880 case, VG8, S-1 upgrade from my local Roland dealer at prices that were better than mailorder. He always matches or beats anything I find in the catalogs or 800 numbers, and it is in stock. I send my friends there, he does the same for them (3 vs880s, 3 vg-8 systems). This, and he let's me take equipment home for the weekend to see if I want it or not. I found that developing rapore with the owner has truly paid off. (Some of) These guys are businessmen. Sure, maybe I had to squeeze him a little at first, to show him I was serious. Now, it is quite straightforward with him. He has cut me some sweet deals. Some people understand how to get repeat business. If you can't find one locally, then use the web or 800 numbers. bret ---Doug Tapia wrote: > > > >There's a guy in PA who's importing them, setting them up, and selling them > >for only a couple hundred more than his cost, which means you save $400-500 > >from retail > > > >Check out ... > >http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dome/5470/index.html > > > Who pays retail? My local (some would even say overpriced) sells VS > 1680s every day for $2399.00. This same store is a service center for > Roland products, and the folks know the stuff they're selling (and none > of their units fell off the back of a truck.) Once again folks, support > your local dealer, as I'm sure they can cut you a deal at least this good > if you JUST ASK. > > happy looping, > > -doug > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 04:34:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id EAA28888; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:34:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 04:34:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B17EF6.6AA3@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:27:18 +0100 From: PERILLE Reply-To: perille@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [fr]C-CLUB (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AKAI delay pedal vs Jamman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3k4JO2.0.7v6.1xNis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I wonder if the new AKAI delay pedal-E1 headrush can record in loops just as the Jamman does. As it seems to be a 4-head tape echo simulator, may be it can also run four spinning loops once a delay is tapped with the footswitch. And if it is so, it could be a similar recording process to Jamman which I was told was patented by Lexicon. Infringement or not ? Emmanuel perille@club-internet.fr From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 05:50:59 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id FAA02289; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 05:50:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 05:50:59 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36B12523.ACA06868@latrobe.edu.au> References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:40:38 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: New Akai delay pedal-E1 Headrush Tap Delay/Tape EchoSimulator/Looping Recorder Cc: b.knox@latrobe.edu.au Resent-Message-ID: <"iv_o1.0.JE.e0Pis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >This thing looks very tasty indeed... is that $259 aus or u.s? That would be $259US, the Akaipro web site is in the US, and the NAMM show is as well. >not into looping? a pity.. there a not that many of us in oz... I've been lurking here for a while trying to get some information about old tape echos like the Roland RE201/301 and the Maestro Echoplexes, but havn't had much luck. I need some information on what model Echoplexes to look for! My interest in them has been mainly for effects in recording my ever growing collection of synths/drum machines and for use when recording demos etc for friends, but I think I might try this looping/improvisation stuff when I track one down or get something new like this Akai pedal. How do you use the loopers in a live situation? do you start with a beat or something, and set the looper to the length of the beat so it loops in time, then layer other sounds over the top of that loop? What other effects and things do you do with the looper, when using it in this sort of live lopping situation? Thanks Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA >> http://www.akai.com/akaipro/namm99.html >> >> and >> >> http://www.akai.com/akaipro/press/9901-FX.html >> >> >> >> E1 Headrush Tap Delay / Tape Echo Simulator / Looping Recorder >> >> 16 bit Digital Delay - Delay time from 0.5ms to 23.8sec >> Tape Echo mode with 4 tape-head parallel outputs for amplifier or mixer >>inputs. >> Simulates an analog 4-head tape echo machine >> Looping Recorder with overdub mode - Powerful tool for solo performances >> Max. Recording time is 11.9 sec for loop recording >> HEAD GAP adjusts the delay time between the heads >> Delay time is from 10ms to 5.9 sec >> HF Damp simulates an analog delay sound >> Feedback sets the feedback level for repeat times >> Ratio allows adjustment of wet and dry mix >> Dynamic delay control - sets the delay time by tapping the footswitch twice >> True Bypass From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 06:13:03 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA05221; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:13:03 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:13:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B195B0.5DE17C55@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:04:16 -0800 From: Clifford Novey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Subject: EDP Orders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uHbHW3.0.V-.mKPis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Anyone got their EDP order yet? I assume not as I expect to see posts from those who finally get theirs. I am just pondering the expansion simms I bought which are sitting here on my desk in front of me. It is odd to think that these incredibly sterile and lifeless chips will be holding such a dynamic and life filled thing (live music performances) 128 full seconds of whatever you can play- as noisy or as quiet- all on these tiny inanimate chips- Just seems an interesting thing to think about seeing as all I HAVE are these darn chips!!! ;) I just got back from a great show- saw Steve Smith, Frank Gambale, Dennis Chambers, Billy Sheehan... amazing- and I start talking to this guy who came from the East coast to go to the NAMM show- but he makes it sound like to get in you have to have the Ruby Slippers or something just to get in- I thought you just bought a ticket at the door or something- anyone help me out with the low down? I live like 15 min from where it will be held and I wouldn't mind going. Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 06:36:09 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA07565; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:36:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 06:36:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B19A52.986AB617@latrobe.edu.au> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:24:03 +1100 From: "b.knox" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon , Loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Akai delay pedal References: <3.0.6.32.19990128033515.00804100@wavefront.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"w_Lxr.0.wT1.ZfPis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Simon wrote: > That would be $259US, the Akaipro web site is in the US, and the NAMM show > is as well. hee hee.. i realised this after i looked at the second site there.. i saw the first site with the juicy picture and got a "headrush" so to speak. i guess they'll retail here at about $500-600... erg > I've been lurking here for a while trying to get some information about old > tape echos like the Roland RE201/301 and the Maestro Echoplexes, but havn't > had much luck. I need some information on what model Echoplexes to look for! > can't really help you there... i've seen a couple of ye-olde roland tape deals around second hand shops etc, but they always seem overpriced (to me anyway)... i think music box in melbourne has one at the moment... i dont know if they would ship to canberra though... http://www.musicbox.com.au (ignore the always outdated stock list) > > My interest in them has been mainly for effects in recording my ever > growing collection of synths/drum machines and for use when recording demos > etc for friends, but I think I might try this looping/improvisation stuff > when I track one down or get something new like this Akai pedal. > > How do you use the loopers in a live situation? do you start with a beat or > something, and set the looper to the length of the beat so it loops in > time, then layer other sounds over the top of that loop? i very rarely start with a rhythm... just a length or phrase... it's almost impossible to syncronise a non-midi looper (which it looks like the akai is) to a beat--it'll drift after a few repititions depending on how long the loop is etc... i guess you could do the sync thing with an edp (if you want to fork out aus$3000) live my stuff is usually non-rhythmic.... lots of layers... just a guitar with tons of effects... if a rhythm emerges and it works, then cool.. if not, then cool... i find that starting from a fairly short loop is usually best for the "emerging rhythm" phenomenon... letting the loop dictate the beat can be killer.. but if your rhythm is "set" with a drum machine or whatever you'll eventually have to think of the loop as being independent-- which can be just as killer. as they say, you'll never know till you try... (trying to buy a looper in oz is another story though.. maybe this akai thing will be the only one reasonably available here) > > What other effects and things do you do with the looper, when using it in > this sort of live lopping situation? > just about anything i can get my hands on or around or up... hmmm having dreams of pumping those four tape echo outputs into a digitech quad-4 ... which by the way seems to have a nice little 5sec looper lurking in it... the manual is online(!) at http://www.digitech.com/quad/index.htm anyone spare a few grand? brad From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 07:20:31 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA13445; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:20:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:20:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: <298346ee.36b1a566@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:11:18 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Laptops (off topic) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"sUeTi.0.153.3LQis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/28/99 9:49:21 AM Central Standard Time, dmgraph@pulsewidth.com writes: << After dissing the computer for music use for years, I'm finally getting into it on my Mac. But I may be interested in a PC for business reasons, and if I could get a laptop that I could do music performance with, now that would be interesting. Question: anybody have experience with PC laptops for music? ... David Myers>> From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 07:42:43 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA16226; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:42:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:42:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <4.1.19990129073347.0093ded0@unix01.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@unix01.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:36:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Dumping EDP samples to Computer (was Akai( In-Reply-To: References: < <000301be4a58$2b6c5510$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CuvpK3.0.Gp3.5hQis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com At 11:13 PM 1/28/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hello, > >........ > >I'd rather not use the computer as a middleman, but is anyone doing >it that way? > I have saved EDP samples to my computer running Opcode Vision, mainly to save and restore loops. I suppose I could dump them from there into an Akai if I had one, and perhaps into my K2000, bu tI haven't tried that yet. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 07:45:11 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id HAA16560; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:45:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:45:11 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Hawkeye255@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:34:20 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Laptops (off topic) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Resent-Message-ID: <"Y1Sxx1.0.on3.cgQis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com <<...Question: anybody have experience with PC laptops for music? Would want to use at least ReBirth on it and get quality audio out; little concern about MIDI. Or: can someone point me to a list where I might get answers? Thanks to all....David Myers >> First, I must tell you that I'm a Computer Dealer for 'the roof over me head and some grub day job'. Any decent Windows Laptop/Notebook will work just fine. I personally use a CTX Pentium 233 MMX for music on a daily basis. It has a good sound chipset and (like no other laptop I'm aware of) a built-in Midi port. No problems, no complaints with Re-Birth, Sound Forge, Cakewalk, Cubase, etc. I sell most brands of laptop, but the CTX is the real "bang for the buck" machine". If you're seriously looking, check out my website: http://www.handtech.com/tcweb/Reiter Because of licensing agreements, you won't find any CTX's there. E-mail me for prices on those and I'll get you the best deal I can, (wholesale + 10%). I apologize for the crass commercialism of this message... Keep on keepin on...Keep on keepin on...Keep on keepin on... two, three, four...(now bring in the TR909) ;) Bill 'Hawkeye' Reiter From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 08:23:27 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA20659; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:23:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:23:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36B1B422.4C21@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:14:10 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Akai delay pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8R6Uw1.0.4i4.nARis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I read the press releaseon the new Akai delay pedal. Sounds pretty cool! Does anybody know if it produces a MIDI clock? - Dennis Leas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 08:29:12 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA21359; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:29:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:29:12 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <36B1B5FE.93E@mdbs.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:22:06 -0500 From: "Dennis W. Leas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dumping EDP samples to Computer (was Akai( References: < <000301be4a58$2b6c5510$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> <4.1.19990129073347.0093ded0@unix01.voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M_rWZ1.0.Bs4.AIRis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Floyd Miller wrote: > > I have saved EDP samples to my computer running Opcode Vision, > mainly to save and restore loops. Hi, Floyd! I'm curious, how long does it take to transfer a loop. If possible, could you give transfer times for two different loop lengths? Say a 10 second loop and a 20 second loop? Is the upload and download time different? - Dennis LEas -- dennis@mdbs.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 09:12:39 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA26616; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:12:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:12:39 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:59:15 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199901291359.IAA25814@badboy.micro.lucent.com> Content-Type: text Apparently-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"yhOE92.0.Iz5.dvRis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 report to New Age Voice for January, 1999. (Shows #95 to #98; 12/31/98 to 01/21/99) Reported in alphabetical order by album title. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@fast.net ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Wendy Carlos - A Clockwork Orange - ESD Synergy (Larry Fast) - Audion - Third Contact Frank Van Bogaert - Colours - Ace Studio Jeff Pearce - Daylight Slowly - Hypnos Wendy Carlos - Digital Moonscapes - CBS Steve Roach - Dreaming... 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Jack Wright and Friends will be joining us for this night as well on th= e second bill. %%%%%%%endtransmission%whirr%%%bzzt%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% = From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 11:20:38 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11027; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:20:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:20:38 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990129073347.0093ded0@unix01.voicenet.com> References: < <000301be4a58$2b6c5510$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:52:02 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: Dumping EDP samples to Computer (was Akai( Cc: tcweller@purity.com Resent-Message-ID: <"mpegp3.0.si1.YaTis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >At 11:13 PM 1/28/99 -0600, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>........ >> >>I'd rather not use the computer as a middleman, but is anyone doing >>it that way? >> > >I have saved EDP samples to my computer running Opcode Vision, >mainly to save and restore loops. > >I suppose I could dump them from there into an Akai if I had one, >and perhaps into my K2000, bu tI haven't tried that yet. If the EDP is just dumping it's samples as a generic MIDI sample dump, then you should be able to transfer directly between any devices that support MIDI sample dump without using a computer as a middleman. You would just set the EDP to send a MIDI sample dump, and set the other device to receive a MIDI sample dump, and vice versa when going the other way. You would have to make sure they were both expecting the MIDI sample dump on the same MIDI channel. Whether you initiate the sample dump from the sending or receiving device depends on how the two devices handle it, some devices can initiate the dump as sender and receiver, some can only initiate the dump when being the sender. Check the manuals of both devices for info on how to use MIDI sample dumps in each device. Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 11:21:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA11128; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:21:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:21:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:59:08 -0500 (EST) From: wbf@aloft.micro.lucent.com (William_B_Fox) Message-Id: <199901291559.KAA26618@badboy.micro.lucent.com> Content-Type: text Apparently-To: Resent-Message-ID: <"9t-oN.0.Gw1.8gTis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Playlist for "EMUSIC" "Emusic," an electronic, ambient, and space music show, airs each Thursday at 11pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. http://wdiyfm.org/schedule/s_emusic.html Show #99 January 28, 1999. Host: Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org billfox@fast.net On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on electronic music pioneer, Wendy Carlos. For background information, please point your web browser to the WDIY web site or visit the... Wendy Carlos web site: http://www.wendycarlos.com The feature CD at midnight was "Sonic Seasonings +" on East Side Digital. ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Synergy (Larry Fast) Prairie Light Metropolitan Suite (Third Contact) MinistryOfInsideThings Outer Limits Part 2 Live at the ICA (Synkronos) Alexi Mystery The Mystery (Mazzeroth) Steve Roach & Vir Unis Gene Pool Body Electric (Projekt) Steve Roach & Vir Unis Synaptic Gap Body Electric (Projekt) DwellerAtTheThreshold Illumination (1 - 4) DwellerAtTheThreshold (Eurock) Liquid Mind Lullaby for Grownups Liquid Mind III/Balance (Chuck Wild) Laocoon Molecular Streams Immersion (PNR) 12:00 am Wendy Carlos Winter Sonic Seasonings + (ESD) Wendy Carlos Winter (out-take) Sonic Seasonings + (ESD) Wendy Carlos Aurora Borealis Sonic Seasonings + (ESD) Wendy Carlos Midnight Sun Sonic Seasonings + (ESD) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next EMUSIC, I will begin a month-long focus on that synergistic composer, Larry Fast and his Synergy (R) releases. The feature CD at midnight will be "Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra" on Third Contact. Please visit the WDIY web site and navigate through the schedule to the EMUSIC pages. Playlists for every show are there. Hot links to artists and labels can be found in the monthly focus section. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 12:15:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA20194; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:15:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:15:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: tcweller@mail.purity.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990129073347.0093ded0@unix01.voicenet.com> < <000301be4a58$2b6c5510$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:51:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Travis Weller Subject: Re: Dumping EDP samples to Akai Resent-Message-ID: <"Maepx2.0.af3.xNUis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>Has anyone out there successfully dumped a loop from the EDP to an Akai S >>Series Sampler? The documentation for this feature on both boxes is pretty >>slim. I've been able to get a sample from the Akai (S3000XL) to the EDP, >>but the other way around still eludes me. >> >>I'd rather not use the computer as a middleman, but is anyone doing it that >>way? >If the EDP is just dumping it's samples as a generic MIDI sample dump, then >you should be able to transfer directly between any devices that support >MIDI sample dump without using a computer as a middleman. > >You would just set the EDP to send a MIDI sample dump, and set the other >device to receive a MIDI sample dump, and vice versa when going the other >way. You would have to make sure they were both expecting the MIDI sample >dump on the same MIDI channel. Whether you initiate the sample dump from >the sending or receiving device depends on how the two devices handle it, >some devices can initiate the dump as sender and receiver, some can only >initiate the dump when being the sender. > >Check the manuals of both devices for info on how to use MIDI sample dumps >in each device. Hmm. I have it set up just like it says in the manuals of both devices. The Akai specifically says it will automatically recieve a dump when the other device initiates a transfer. When I initiate a dump from the echoplex I can see the Akai is receiving MIDI data. However, when the dump is completed, nothing is different in Akai land. I'm not quite sure about the channel. I have the echoplex set to MIDI channel 1. I have the Akai on system exclusive channel 1. I know the difference between Sysex channel and MIDI channel... but the Akai -> echoplex transfer works correctly, so I must be doing something right. I just don't know how to set or find out what the Sysex channel is on the Echoplex. Unfourtunatly there is no mention of this in the manual... or the faq... or the mailing list archive... I would appriciate anyone's advice on this. Thanks, Travis. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 12:25:58 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA21888; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:25:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:25:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <326fbcf9.36b1e83d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:56:29 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Oberheim email address... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"aa4ck2.0.p34.pXUis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi Loopers: Um, did I miss something? The link on the Looper's Delight page no longer pops up a workable email address for Oberheim. My Echoplex is starting to get gnarly again about input, I'm going to swap resistors, but I fear there might be something else going on. Anybody know how I can email Oberheim? Best, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 13:19:23 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA00454; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:19:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:19:23 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: landman@pop.ncal.verio.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:04:48 -0800 To: simon@dynamite.com.au From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Vintage Echo Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ChyPV3.0.qq6.uRVis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Simon, Here's a link with info on many different old tape echos=8A http://homepages.enterprise.net/greenworld/index.htm Best- Mark >I've been lurking here for a while trying to get some information about old >tape echos like the Roland RE201/301 and the Maestro Echoplexes, but havn't >had much luck. I need some information on what model Echoplexes to look for= ! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 13:30:21 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA02719; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:30:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:30:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-Sender: simon@mail.dynamite.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990129073347.0093ded0@unix01.voicenet.com> < <000301be4a58$2b6c5510$87500218@cc1006472-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <36AF8B86.413A120@ccjonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:52:21 +1000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Simon Subject: Re: Dumping EDP samples to Akai Cc: tcweller@purity.com Resent-Message-ID: <"KqnEy1.0.9S6.QLVis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >>>Has anyone out there successfully dumped a loop from the EDP to an Akai S >>>Series Sampler? The documentation for this feature on both boxes is pretty >>>slim. I've been able to get a sample from the Akai (S3000XL) to the EDP, >>>but the other way around still eludes me. >>> >>>I'd rather not use the computer as a middleman, but is anyone doing it that >>>way? > >>If the EDP is just dumping it's samples as a generic MIDI sample dump, then >>you should be able to transfer directly between any devices that support >>MIDI sample dump without using a computer as a middleman. >> >>You would just set the EDP to send a MIDI sample dump, and set the other >>device to receive a MIDI sample dump, and vice versa when going the other >>way. You would have to make sure they were both expecting the MIDI sample >>dump on the same MIDI channel. Whether you initiate the sample dump from >>the sending or receiving device depends on how the two devices handle it, >>some devices can initiate the dump as sender and receiver, some can only >>initiate the dump when being the sender. >> >>Check the manuals of both devices for info on how to use MIDI sample dumps >>in each device. > >Hmm. I have it set up just like it says in the manuals of both devices. The >Akai specifically says it will automatically recieve a dump when the other >device initiates a transfer. When I initiate a dump from the echoplex I can >see the Akai is receiving MIDI data. However, when the dump is completed, >nothing is different in Akai land. Is there an option to initiate the EDP-Akai dump from the Akai instead of the EDP, that is if the EDP supports initiation of the transfer from the receiving device? >I'm not quite sure about the channel. I have the echoplex set to MIDI >channel 1. I have the Akai on system exclusive channel 1. I know the >difference between Sysex channel and MIDI channel... but the Akai -> >echoplex transfer works correctly, so I must be doing something right. I >just don't know how to set or find out what the Sysex channel is on the >Echoplex. Unfourtunatly there is no mention of this in the manual... or the >faq... or the mailing list archive... Maybe the EDP is accepting the dump on any channel, but sending on a specific channel. I would have thought that if the EDP was set to channel 1, then it would send sysex out channel 1 and that the Akai would receive it OK. Maybe you can set the EDP sysex MIDI channel to a different channel than it's basic MIDI channel, I don't know I'm just guessing all this. Maybe the Akai is receiving the MIDI data, but it just doesn't recognise the EDP initiating the transfer, that's why I suggested trying to make the Akai initiate as the receiving device. If you have the time you could also try the setting the Akai to receive on each of the 16 different MIDI channels, ie. try it 16 times at each different Akai sysex channel, to see if the EDP is sending the sysex out a different MIDI channel to it's basic MIDI channel setting. And if you have even more time you could try the 16 MIDI channels with the EDP as the initiator, as well as the 16 MIDI channels with the Akai as the initiator. Maybe you could ask this question on the Akai sampler mailing list, it might be a problem with the Akai in general and might happen with other devices, and not a specific problem with the EDP. Good luck, Simon Canberra AUSTRALIA From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 13:38:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA04060; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:38:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:38:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 29 Jan 1999 17:56:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990129175646.14014.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dumping EDP samples to Computer (was Akai( Resent-Message-ID: <"KAzEd3.0.sd6.QOVis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You wrote: > > Hi, Floyd! > > I'm curious, how long does it take to transfer a loop. If possible, > could you give transfer times for two different loop lengths? Say a 10 > second loop and a 20 second loop? Is the upload and download time > different? Jeeez I never timed it but I can tell you that it is not quick. Off-hand I'll say that a 30 second loop took about an hour, but I could be mistaken. I'll try to do some timings for you over the weekend. - Floyd From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Fri Jan 29 15:44:29 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA22946; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:44:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:44:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: floyd@voicenet.com Date: 29 Jan 1999 20:28:30 -0000 Message-ID: <19990129202830.18641.qmail@unix01.voicenet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dumping and Loading EDP samples Resent-Message-ID: <"yNl6P1.0.h15.icXis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com It was written by someone: > > >I'm not quite sure about the channel. I have the echoplex set to MIDI > >channel 1. I have the Akai on system exclusive channel 1. I know the > >difference between Sysex channel and MIDI channel... > > Maybe the EDP is accepting the dump on any channel, but sending on a > specific channel. I would have thought that if the EDP was set to channel > 1, then it would send sysex out channel 1 and that the Akai would receive > it OK. Maybe you can set the EDP sysex MIDI channel to a different channel > than it's basic MIDI channel, I don't know I'm just guessing all this. > It is my understanding that SysEx data is not channelized - no conecpt of MIDI channels for SysEx as there is for note and controller data. So if Sample Dump data is a subset of SysEx then the EDP should accept a sample dump regardless of it's midi channel setting. Likewise, when it sends a Sample Dump it sould be received at the other other without regards to MIDI channel settings. If I'm wrong please correct me (but gently). From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 11:56:07 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA00248; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:56:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:56:07 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <199901301651.IAA27030@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: JamMan FS Date: Sat, 30 Jan 99 10:51:42 -0500 x-sender: tiktok@pop.a001.sprintmail.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y5L7R.0.xt7.gWpis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Someone's got to want this (from Harmony Central): Lexicon Jamman, maxed RAM w/. Custom OS Asking Price: US$450 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Lexicon Jamman - you know the one http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/JamMan-spec.html Maxed out Ram (It uses ZIP ram - hard to find these days, if at all) Bob Sellon's upgrade OS Eprom (I will include the regular Eprom as well) $450 plus shipping and cod. Seller: Jonathan El-Bizri, 650 494 7376 E-mail: sserendipity@netscape.net (Profile) Location: PALO ALTO, CA Post Date: 1/29/99 From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 12:56:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA07589; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:56:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:56:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B338EF.FE885AAA@onepine.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:53:07 -0400 From: akio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hi! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S_VCt1.0.Sh1.EQqis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com We are NY experimental kaut rock band called "Electro Putas". We just puted out CD . I wanna sent that CD . So,, could you give me your exact adress? thank you akio From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 13:44:30 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA12404; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:44:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:44:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <516fd66.36b351ae@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:38:38 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hi! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Resent-Message-ID: <"sKn46.0.0w2.R6ris"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com In a message dated 1/30/99 11:58:07 AM, akiom@onepine.com writes: >We are NY experimental kaut rock band called "Electro Putas". Hmmm...two questions: What is "kaut rock?" Is "Puta" what I think it is (se habla espanol)? Marshall From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 14:18:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA16165; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:18:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:18:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:14:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01be4c84$cf5375e0$8c32dacf@sgoodman.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <516fd66.36b351ae@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"eBNpX.0.hs3.tdris"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > In a message dated 1/30/99 11:58:07 AM, akiom@onepine.com writes: > >We are NY experimental kaut rock band called "Electro Putas". Marzzz asked: > Is "Puta" what I think it is (se habla espanol)? On the other hand, it could be the NY pronunciation (or lack thereof) of a relatively recent moniker for PCs that's come from the legions of ex-Mac users in the workplace, as far as I can figure; they call it a Pooter. So "Electro Putas" could have a link to some reference to this Big Pout-and-Sulk Routine, perhaps? Or, eh, "Poot", hm? Stephen Goodman  -  It's... The Loop Of The Week! EarthLight Studios  -  http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 15:10:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA22228; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:10:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:10:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: Hi! Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:04:44 -0800 Message-ID: <000401be4c8b$c77d5f00$28ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <36B338EF.FE885AAA@onepine.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"7Fedo2.0.BE5.xMsis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com You know what Putas means in Spanish, right? Javier Miranda Berkeley, Calif. -----Original Message----- From: akio [mailto:akiom@onepine.com] Sent: Saturday 30 January 1999 8:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hi! We are NY experimental kaut rock band called "Electro Putas". We just puted out CD . I wanna sent that CD . 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--------------519E44E48327C3ECA593F0E3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 17:13:02 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA07916; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:13:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:13:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36AF8877.6756@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:28:28 -0800 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Stuart Fox Subject: MOTU Software Looper at NAMM Resent-Message-ID: <"5S-sZ2.0.Fp1.3Cuis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >From Friday's MacInTouch: "MOTU gave attendees a sneak peek at a new feature called POLAR, which will be built into Digital Performer 2.6 when it ships in a few months. POLAR - Performance-Oriented Loop Audio Recording - is a RAM-based, multitrack sampler for the Mac, allowing you to lay down grooves, rhythm tracks and solos - and even overdubs - in real time. They didn't talk specifics, but the demo was awesome." Stuart Fox CalArts Guitar sgfox@music.calarts.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 17:21:20 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA08843; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:21:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:21:20 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990130141928.012aa8a0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: sean_@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:19:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Subject: Re: TRUTHCIRCLE WILL DESTRORY U ALL In-Reply-To: <36B3817D.804AC35@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"EuX7r2.0.h12.pIuis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Ghost wrote: >bleed > blah,blah,blah >html content... blah,blah,blah >... > >... How appropriate... From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 18:12:46 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA15881; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:12:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:12:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B39159.C638FBF3@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:10:18 -0200 From: Alexandre Tavares Frias Reply-To: atfrias@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan FS X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199901301651.IAA27030@magpie.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7BUtr.0.Nj3.g2vis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Tiktok Mobile HQ wrote: > Someone's got to want this (from Harmony Central): > > Lexicon Jamman, maxed RAM w/. Custom OS > > Asking Price: US$450 > Condition: Excellent > Age: N/A > Description: > > Lexicon Jamman - you know the one > > http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/JamMan-spec.html > Maxed out Ram (It uses ZIP ram - hard to find these days, if at > > all) > Bob Sellon's upgrade OS Eprom (I will include the regular Eprom > as > well) > > $450 plus shipping and cod. > > Seller: Jonathan El-Bizri, 650 494 7376 > E-mail: sserendipity@netscape.net (Profile) > Location: PALO ALTO, CA > Post Date: 1/29/99 Please anyone could inform what that replacement Eprom (Mr Bob Sellon's one) had improved in JamMan specs and how to order it? Thanks in advance. Alex Frias. From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 22:42:41 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA11425; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:42:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:42:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Javier Miranda V." To: Subject: RE: TRUTHCIRCLE WILL DESTRORY U ALL Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:28:41 -0800 Message-ID: <000401be4cc9$ccd4fb00$17ceefd1@electra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <36B3817D.804AC35@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-eD1g1.0.aN2.6tyis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com What the hell was that! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sat Jan 30 23:33:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA17432; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:33:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:33:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <36B3DB1D.B3C70CD7@texas.net> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:25:01 -0600 From: Bobdog Reply-To: psbuddha@texas.net Organization: Pseudo Buddha/Doghouse Ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: MOTU Software Looper at NAMM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S4OSY.0.wt3.Ngzis"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Stuart Fox wrote: > "MOTU gave attendees a sneak peek at a new feature called POLAR - > Performance-Oriented Loop Audio Recording - a RAM-based, multitrack > sampler for the Mac, allowing you to lay down grooves, rhythm tracks and > solos - and even overdubs - in real time. They didn't talk specifics, but > the demo was awesome." bobdog says "yee-ha" about this; perhaps it will have a better book than motu audiodesk comes with... woof From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 10:08:56 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA06617; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:08:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:08:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: Ghosts Don't Bleed Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:59:50 -0500 Message-ID: <01be4d2a$59d74d40$2a7df2d0@chester> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE4D00.71014540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ovdJQ.0.0S1.v37js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE4D00.71014540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The truth(circle) is--- I don't believe in Ghosts. If anyone 'controls = the loop' it's David Torn. Hi-Fi Bug ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE4D00.71014540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The truth(circle) is--- I don't = believe in=20 Ghosts. If anyone 'controls the loop' it's David Torn. Hi-Fi=20 Bug
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE4D00.71014540-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 10:20:34 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA08327; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:20:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:20:34 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <001f01be4d2b$71af5100$b88867cf@brendan> From: "Brendan Flick" To: Subject: Re: JamMan FS-EPROM upgrade? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:07:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"dzEeZ.0.dv1.hE7js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Hi- Does anyone know what features or changes the upgrade EPROM gives you ?- or where to get it ? -Brendan -----Original Message----- From: Tiktok Mobile HQ To: Looper's Delight Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 11:58 AM Subject: JamMan FS >Someone's got to want this (from Harmony Central): > > > > >Lexicon Jamman, maxed RAM w/. Custom OS > >Asking Price: US$450 >Condition: Excellent >Age: N/A >Description: > > > Lexicon Jamman - you know the one > >http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Lexicon/JamMan-spec.html > Maxed out Ram (It uses ZIP ram - hard to find these days, if at >all) > Bob Sellon's upgrade OS Eprom (I will include the regular Eprom as >well) > > $450 plus shipping and cod. > >Seller: Jonathan El-Bizri, 650 494 7376 >E-mail: sserendipity@netscape.net (Profile) >Location: PALO ALTO, CA >Post Date: 1/29/99 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 11:06:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA14506; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:06:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:06:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <92e65c22.36b47e7b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:02:03 EST To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: JamMan FS-EPROM upgrade? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Resent-Message-ID: <"glX_G.0.LE3.Cv7js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com actually you can stiil find zip ram around if you look. PJ From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 12:51:17 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA31156; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:51:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:51:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f From: "MARK FRANO" To: Subject: Echoplex and Audio Sample cd's Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:36:49 -0500 Message-ID: <01be4d40$481a9560$587df2d0@chester> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4D16.5F448D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"I80W33.0.eG7.gM9js"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4D16.5F448D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am curious about building rythmic loops using an echoplex and = percussion based audio sample cd's. Is there anyone out there doing = this? That is building the loop directly from a cd player into the = echoplex or is a traditional sampler needed inbetween? What are the = limitations of this approach? Synch problems with layering? Hi-Fi Bugs ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4D16.5F448D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am curious about building rythmic = loops using=20 an echoplex and percussion based audio sample cd's. Is there anyone out = there=20 doing this? That is building the loop directly from a cd player into the = echoplex or is a traditional sampler needed inbetween? What are the = limitations=20 of this approach? Synch problems with layering? Hi-Fi=20 Bugs
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE4D16.5F448D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 15:23:01 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA16255; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:23:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:23:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQE8hzftRBNcH2b+PwrAeocGZjYtgIVAMTMHYXkV6Lr67cV1hovmLAt4/IA From: SFERN@webtv.net (SONIA FERNANDES) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:20:08 -0500 (EST) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: yes i was wondering if you have any free samples Message-ID: <8679-36B4BAF8-44@mailtod-221.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"FV0Tq.0.lq3.cgBjs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com sonia:-) have a happy day!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 15:40:19 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA18607; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:40:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:40:19 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: RE: Ghosts Don't Bleed Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: <004801be4d58$50cfa980$1f23dacf@sgoodman.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE4D15.42B59140" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <01be4d2a$59d74d40$2a7df2d0@chester> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <"sLNYL2.0.E74.foBjs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE4D15.42B59140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm reminded of a quote from Arnold in "Predator": "If it bleeds, we can kill it." -----Original Message----- From: MARK FRANO [mailto:mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com] Sent: Sunday, January 31, 1999 7:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ghosts Don't Bleed The truth(circle) is--- I don't believe in Ghosts. If anyone 'controls the loop' it's David Torn. Hi-Fi Bug ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE4D15.42B59140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm reminded of a quote from Arnold in=20 "Predator":
 
"If it bleeds, we can kill it."
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: MARK FRANO=20 [mailto:mfrano@plainfield.bypass.com]
Sent: Sunday, = January 31,=20 1999 7:00 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
Subject:=20 Ghosts Don't Bleed

The truth(circle) is--- I don't = believe in=20 Ghosts. If anyone 'controls the loop' it's David Torn. Hi-Fi=20 Bug
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BE4D15.42B59140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 21:39:49 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA28868; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:39:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:39:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-ID: <19990201022302.21707.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Rev. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Re: CGDAEG To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Jtu2z.0.9y6.oCHjs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com 93 ---Jeff & Vonda McLeod wrote: > Have any of you guitarists on the list ever experimented with or are you > currently using the Guitar Craft New Standard Guitar Tuning (CGDAEG)? I use CGDA on my longhorn bass - what I call my 'cellogator' - and have found it interesting and somewhat frustrating in the lack of close voicings. > I'm > in the process of setting my guitar up with this tuning, which is a bit of > a task (to me, at least), since the actual high 3rd is EXCEPTIONALLY high > and tends to snap the string. Easy. Tune it to DFCBDF and capo at the first fret. Or use a 24 3/4" scale guitar as opposed to a 25 1/2" scale. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat === The Homepages of the Doubt-Goat The Darsan Trio Sekhet Maat Oasis, O.T.O. Lion & Serpent http://www.easystreet.com/~twilliam _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Sun Jan 31 23:47:28 1999 Received: (from kflint@localhost) by rosy.yourwebhost.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA10558; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:47:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:47:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: rosy.yourwebhost.com: kflint set sender to Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com using -f Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990131224500.007c1940@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: subversive@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:45:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jeff & Vonda McLeod Subject: Re: CGDAEG In-Reply-To: <19990201022302.21707.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"q7ctg.0.RV2.Q4Jjs"@rosy.yourwebhost.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com Thanks for the response on the tuning. I appreciate it. I've sort of reached a compromise with it and my old tuning--which is DADGbDbF. I just used it at a gig last night for the first time with my trio, and it worked beautifully. Again, I appreciate the feedback. Sincerely, Jeff McLeod __________________________________________ This is not here-- And now is almost over... http://members.xoom.com/Gezoleen/