From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 00:20:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17988; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:19:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:19:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c26903$07c58a00$b4a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <20020930180029.7721.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CALL for WATER SOUNDS Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:28:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This piezo mic stuff sounds fascinating! I did check out: http://www.floraberlin.de/soundbag/sbdownloads/piezos.pdf which has a lot of the basics. Any further suggestions on websites for a piezo disk mic primer? They look appealing for the novice electrician (me). To what level of mic sophistication can they be taken...like, could I attach one to my flute? |: David :| > >How about sticking a contact(piezo) mic to the side of the > >tank? > > > >I just started experimenting with a disassembled Radio Shack > >piezo electric buzzer, and it was childishly easy to turn it > >into a microphone. Don't know yet how the fidelity will be. > > > >The procedure is: > > > >-Buy piezo electric buzzer. > >-Rip plastic shell off, being careful to not bend the piezo element. > > you can buy them plain for about a $, in different sizes. > I recently placed one into the hole of a flour pot and then into the > wall a plastic basket to pick up the sound in the water. > Unfortunately, it keeps picking up the resonances of the wall, too > and it sensitive to feedback, to my surprise. Seems the water surface > picks up sound from the air? > But it was fun to play water anyway! > > >-Replace soldered-on wires with shielded audio cable. > >-Add jack to other end of cable. > > > >Yours in rhythm, > >Steve > > > > > > > >>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:59:01 +0100 > >>From: "Stephen P. Goodman" > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>Subject: > >>Re: CALL for WATER SOUNDS > > > >>Go to an aquarium/fish store with a portable recorder, as well > > > > >as a store that sells fountains and such, and get your water sounds there, > > > for the trouble of a few hours. A lot less than $250, and it'd be all > > >yours. > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 01:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20898; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:03:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:03:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020930225546.007cce90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:55:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: hardware sequencers In-Reply-To: <3D98BA57.8D6849A2@zerocrossing.net> References: <20020927233045.54235.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't speak for Bret, but I think he probably started Loop Music for more musically oriented discussions of looping rather than more gear related posts. I'm sure it's all welcome, but just my thoughts. -and, since there's no common area here in which to post audio samples, posting there was an option where people could log on and hear them. -as I said, these are just my thoughts... Smiles, CQ At 01:55 PM 9/30/02 -0700, you wrote: >So... another loop list? Why? Is Loopers D not enough? I subscribed >because I wanted to hear the mp3 file. Is that what people are using this >list for? A posting place? > >Mark Sottilaro > >Bret wrote: > >> which is the file section of loopmusic yahoo group: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ >> It sounds way cool. > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 01:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22639; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:32:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:32:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200209300427.AAA10641@hemlock.violacea.com> <002c01c26863$5cb7de00$0761f93f@global> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:22:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: call for submissions: OLD REPUBLICANS LOOPING FESTIVAL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9bH7yC.A.dhF.ZNTm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A terrible mind causes wasted things. At 11:24 PM -0300 9/30/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >>Perhaps this slogan should instead be >>"A Waste is a Terrible Thing to Mind." > >:-) > >"A Terrible Mind is a Thing to Waste." > >> >> >>At 2:25 AM -0700 9/30/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >>>A Mind is a Terrible Thing To Waste > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 01:58:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23935; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:58:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:58:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:57:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A terrible mind is the result of a society that refuses to let you love, that makes the lives of others into an objectified spectacle, and has no ability to reach into the hearts of the people within the society, help them to feel valid and good about themselves, so that they can love. A terrible mind is always an indicator of a society failing. But societies fail when there's no one specifically in charge of what's most important. We need to elect a President of Self-Worth and make him (or her) responsible for guiding people toward the love they need. And this President of Love needs the power to change the rules so that they actually work- so that the society of the human mind keeps a space open for the society of human hearts- every heart, everywhere. -----Original Message----- From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) [mailto:emile@foryourhead.com] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: call for submissions: OLD REPUBLICANS LOOPING FESTIVAL A terrible mind causes wasted things. At 11:24 PM -0300 9/30/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >>Perhaps this slogan should instead be >>"A Waste is a Terrible Thing to Mind." > >:-) > >"A Terrible Mind is a Thing to Waste." > >> >> >>At 2:25 AM -0700 9/30/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >>>A Mind is a Terrible Thing To Waste > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 03:21:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27981; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:19:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c2691b$04c44400$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> <005401c268e4$53165580$6c4a4ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:20:11 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 01:48:AM Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future > > Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely off? Not > only > > do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine rhetoric, > but > > it's rhythmically all over the place. I'm not just talking "loose" I'm > taking > > "suck." Don't perpetrate the stereotype... > > Really?????? I think Eminem's sense of timing is INCREDIBLE - seriously, I'm > so into his rhythmic thing it's not funny. The jury's still out on whether > he's a remarkable social satirist or just trailor trash with a recording > budget, but I'm well into his rhythm... The other Steve's got a good point. I remember (yes, believe it or not!) the week before I got married in 2000, spending not enough time up in Amsterdam, and up in the Blues Bros. coffeehouse (not officially sanctioned by Ackroyd etc of course), when suddenly they started playing the "Real Slim Shady" disk, and I had to admit that it wasn't just a barrage of wannabe ghetto-speak with obscenities added for PR value, as I'd previously thought. The guy's also got a sense of humor, and I remember thinking "Suge Knight probably couldn't shut HIM up," but his timing is really good. Now if he were just to use looping hm? > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 03:52:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29918; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:51:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:51:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021001075047.66560.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: was / CE EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ---> > ja, Zenker hatte es sehr teuer im Vertrieb, aber das > wird hoffentlich anders. > Zur Zeit hat er wohl auch keine mehr. Aber im > Dezember sollten die CE > Geräte überall in Europa erhältlich sein! Wow ich freue mich! > > >Ciao > >Louie > > > > > > > >> >wir sind schon genug US lastig und alles > hat in Europa begonnen > > > >> >und jetzt kommt ja die CE Version des > Echoplex, also ist auch Gibson > > > >> >speziell an Europa interessiert. Der > Hauptvertrieb ist M+M > > > > > Hallo Matthias, > >> > >> ab wann ist die CE EDP Version (mit Loop IV ?) > denn > >> zu haben ? > >> > >> Gruesse aus Koeln, > >> > > > Paul Shigihara > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 03:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30557; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:57:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:57:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021001075708.56081.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- MIKO wrote: > A terrible mind is the result of a society that > refuses to let you love, Oh yeah? Well who gets to define love? What if you "love" molesting children? What if you "love" being a thief? What if you "love" yourself to the degree that the entire world should subjugate itself to your desires? > that makes the lives of others into an objectified > spectacle, It's been my observation that we do quite well at making spectacles of ourselves. > and has no > ability to reach into the hearts of the people > within the society, help them > to feel valid and good about themselves, so that > they can love. Paging Charles Manson, customer needs assistance on aisle one. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe there are valid reasons why people should not feel good about them- selves? We will never progress if we insist on seeing our faults, vices, sins, as virtues. We can certainly learn from our mistakes; but, we have to admit our mistakes first. > A terrible mind is always an indicator of a society > failing. But societies > fail when there's no one specifically in charge of > what's most important. Are you referring to God? I guess not. > We need to elect a President of Self-Worth and make > him (or her) responsible > for guiding people toward the love they need. And > this President of Love > needs the power to change the rules so that they > actually work- so that the > society of the human mind keeps a space open for the > society of human > hearts- every heart, everywhere. I nominate Pat Buchanan. Don't laugh, it's no more stupid than any name you'll come up with. Miko, I know I'm coming on a bit strong; but, has there ever been a dictator who didn't achieve power by making "the people" think he loved them? Caesar loved the mobs of Rome, Stalin loved the workers, and Hitler loved the German Volk. I imagine the world will love itslf to death one day. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 06:59:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07595; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:58:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:58:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c26939$b59fdb40$48404ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> <005401c268e4$53165580$6c4a4ed5@bigboy> <3D98F3B9.47867032@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:00:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Well, not to get into an off topic flame war, but the one time I saw him do a > song with Elton John, it seemed like he was just saying the words he had > written with no regard to the song's meter or structure. Like rather than > craft a line with a specific number of sylabols and put them in time in > relation to the beat, he just said them as fast as he needed to before he had > to let Elton do his part. No flames assumed, don't worry - differences of opinion are most often constructive... :o) I'm not sure it's fair to judge Eminem according to a show-case duet with Elton - whose style is clearly incompatible with Marshall's... :o) Have a listen to the Real Slim Shady or his latest single - I've been seriously inspired by his rhythm stuff. Not since Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony first came out, or Freestyle Fellowship have vocalists had such an obvious influence over the way I approach rhythm... (required listening - 'First Of Tha Month' by Bone Thugs, and 'Innercity Boundaries' by Freestyle Fellowship) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 09:12:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15789; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:10:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:10:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D999EEA.995FD276@pa.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:11:06 -0400 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> <005401c268e4$53165580$6c4a4ed5@bigboy> <3D98F3B9.47867032@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Well, not to get into an off topic flame war, but the one time I saw him do a > song with Elton John, it seemed like he was just saying the words he had > written with no regard to the song's meter or structure. Like rather than > craft a line with a specific number of sylabols and put them in time in > relation to the beat, he just said them as fast as he needed to before he had > to let Elton do his part. That sounds rather like the last time I saw Bob Dylan in concert. I figured he was trying to prevent the audience from turning the show into a sing-a-long. Listen to Steve Harley on the live Cockney Rebel album where the band merely starts "Best Years of Our Lives" and then steps back to let the crowd sing the song. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 11:27:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25206; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:23:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:23:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001401c2695e$5dd0ea10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020927183025.6026A2FD2F@server3.fastmail.fm> Subject: musings/ramblings Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:22:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <8REg_D.A.kJG.g3bm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All the talk about right brain vs. left brain, technology vs. art, seeing vs. hearing, MIDI balls, MIDI foot switches, etc seems oddly related, to me. I am just finishing a large looping programming project, the Looper Construction Kit, which I'm sure to talk about lots more in a few weeks. While intensely working on it, I felt like I was in a state of mind rather opposite to when I improvise music. Kind of a right/left brain thing. Programming sometimes seems all structure and discipline. Extremely low entropy stuff, nothing left to chance. Highly goal driven activity in that you clearly imagine the goal then work directly towards it. As opposed to improvising, where I never feel like I know where I am or where I'm going until I get there. And then I don't care *where I am now* because I'm always looking towards the horizon. And there seems to be a kind of yin/yang balance between total chaos and total order. I see this especially in our looping tools. The EDP, for example, represents an ordering force. Even if I create total random noise (is there such a thing?), when I loop it, it becomes rhythmic and hence structured. The EDP imposes a order, in particular with the new sync features of Loop IV. Our loopers are like our partners. They're the law-and-order accountants. They pay attention to the details, freeing us from the mundane for the more creative work as we play. In the preparation phase, we expend our ordering efforts. We program our loopers, footswitches, etc for our anticipated needs just as we train our fingers, arms, hands, and voices. In the performance phase, we depend on our prior work for our creative process. With technology, I can depend on somebody else's prior work like a fulcrum for my creative efforts. Time for more coffee... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 11:47:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26750; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:47:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:47:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20021001104556.00880b90@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:45:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future In-Reply-To: <3D98F3B9.47867032@zerocrossing.net> References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> <005401c268e4$53165580$6c4a4ed5@bigboy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I saw that show, too. I'm not into the rap stuff, but I liked the mood he created. I thought he was very talented. Haven't heard him since. M... At 06:00 PM 9/30/02 -0700, you wrote: >Well, not to get into an off topic flame war, but the one time I saw him do a >song with Elton John, it seemed like he was just saying the words he had >written with no regard to the song's meter or structure. Like rather than >craft a line with a specific number of sylabols and put them in time in >relation to the beat, he just said them as fast as he needed to before he had >to let Elton do his part. > >Give me Chuck D any day of the week. > >but that's just this man's opinion. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Steve Lawson wrote: > >> > Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely off? Not >> only >> > do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine rhetoric, >> but >> > it's rhythmically all over the place. I'm not just talking "loose" I'm >> taking >> > "suck." Don't perpetrate the stereotype... >> >> Really?????? I think Eminem's sense of timing is INCREDIBLE - seriously, I'm >> so into his rhythmic thing it's not funny. The jury's still out on whether >> he's a remarkable social satirist or just trailor trash with a recording >> budget, but I'm well into his rhythm... >> >> Steve >> www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 12:16:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28659; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:16:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:16:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 09:15:30 -0700 Subject: Re: Roland FC-200 From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <68.269c598f.2aca10b8@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 9/30/02 1:40 PM, SoundFNR@aol.com at SoundFNR@aol.com wrote: >> One MIDI channel only. > > I thought so,but just seemed so totally mad that I had doubts. You can set the MIDI channel. So, that's one at a time. (Seems obvious but I know early MIDI equipment sometimes didn't even let you do that.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 12:22:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29348; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:22:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:22:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:23:39 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Lake Butler RFC-1 Battery Woes--No Direct Loop Content Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com seems to me that only the voltage is of importance, 1, 2, 3,, cells, in other words. A smaller one simply holds the data less time (weeks you leave the unit unconnected) For the polarity simply get the volt meter out and measure when its on, because it will be charging with the right polarity. >Hi, > >hey I got one of the rfc-1' and do you have the specs of the batery >that your ordered and a part # that would be very helpful to me as >well as I have had the orginal battery in it since I got it , geez, >10 years ago or so > >Thanks >Denis > >Denis taaffe >denis@dtguitar.com >http:/www.dtguitar.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: relayonemanband@earthlink.net >[mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] >Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:14 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Lake Butler RFC-1 Battery Woes--No Direct Loop Content > > >Hi all- >I attempted to change the battery in my RFC-1, the full featured MIDI foot >controller I used before I acquired the PMC-10. On the advice of Dr. >Richard, I ordered a battery from Parts Express that matched the specs. >However, when it arrived, I found that it did not match the dimensions of >the old battery. >Worse, there is no indication of polarity on the old battery or on the >circuit board (thanks, Emmett). My question: Help!!! >OK, let's phrase it in the form of a question. Anybody feel like taking >their RFC-1 apart to see which end is which? The specs of the new battery >are the same, so I might try using it (running leads from it to the circuit >board) but I don't want to blow this thing up. >Clueless in San Diego, >Gary -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 12:25:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29752; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:24:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:24:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:26:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great, Miko, you would be a good President! Maybe the President would be slightly overcharged if he had to be responsible for every terrible mind, but it certainly would be a good start if he was not one himself :-) I just saw John went into it with some interesting points... I was really just playing with the words and did not mean anything serious, but I am happy it cause this: >A terrible mind is the result of a society that refuses to let you love, >that makes the lives of others into an objectified spectacle, and has no >ability to reach into the hearts of the people within the society, help them >to feel valid and good about themselves, so that they can love. > >A terrible mind is always an indicator of a society failing. But societies >fail when there's no one specifically in charge of what's most important. > >We need to elect a President of Self-Worth and make him (or her) responsible >for guiding people toward the love they need. And this President of Love >needs the power to change the rules so that they actually work- so that the >society of the human mind keeps a space open for the society of human >hearts- every heart, everywhere. >A terrible mind causes wasted things. > >At 11:24 PM -0300 9/30/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >>>Perhaps this slogan should instead be >>>"A Waste is a Terrible Thing to Mind." >> >>:-) >> > >"A Terrible Mind is a Thing to Waste." >> > >>At 2:25 AM -0700 9/30/02, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > >>>A Mind is a Terrible Thing To Waste > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 12:59:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32213; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c2696b$a98fdcb0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020927183025.6026A2FD2F@server3.fastmail.fm> <001401c2695e$5dd0ea10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: miniDisc tip Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:57:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the recent discussion on minidiscs, I forgot to mention a handy idea. To organize my minidiscs, I use a three-ring binder and those plastic sheets with pockets in them. While the sheets are designed to hold floppy diskettes, they work fine for minidiscs. I get at least six minidiscs in each sheet. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 13:41:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03409; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:41:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:41:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c26971$9a7169a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20020927183025.6026A2FD2F@server3.fastmail.fm> <001401c2695e$5dd0ea10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <002b01c2696b$a98fdcb0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:40:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about a little "design by community"... So what does the ideal footswitch for looping look like? What features are missing in existing designs? What is essential? What is necessary and/or sufficient? For example, it seems to me that the capability to send one message on button-press and another message on button-release is required. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 13:57:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04929; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:57:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:57:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:59:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3D87C4450000DDAD@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <003201c26971$9a7169a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA04901 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I may take your example a bit further: "the capability to trigger an event on button-press and another evemt on button-release" Where an 'event' might be a single midi message, or a series of midi messages. Just a thought... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: "Dennis Leas" >To: >Subject: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:40:15 -0500 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >How about a little "design by community"... > >So what does the ideal footswitch for looping look like? What features are >missing in existing designs? What is essential? What is necessary and/or >sufficient? > >For example, it seems to me that the capability to send one message on >button-press and another message on button-release is required. > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mail.worldserver.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 14:07:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05767; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:06:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:06:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021001180555.22079.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Piezo mics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The piezo mic is two thin layers of metal, with a layer of ceramic between. Typically 1 to 2 centimeters in diameter, and less than a millimeter thick. When the element flexes, a tiny amount of electricity is generated. A pre-amp is needed. As far as I know, they work best on large, flat surfaces that resonate with the sound. The prime example is the front of an accoustic guitar. A flute probably won't work. However, what is so cool about them is that they are cheap if you make your own, which is pretty easy. Buy the bare element, or disassemble a Radio Shack buzzer, attach the wires, and you've only spent a couple bucks. Stick it to your instrument and see what happens. Try different spots, and wire two together for fun. I plan to embed a couple inside a hollow body kalimba I'm building. I originally found via Google some long posts from an guitar discussion group on the topic, but much instruction isn't needed because it is so easy. Yours in rhythm, Steve >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:28:44 -0700 >From: "David Auker" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: CALL for WATER SOUNDS >This piezo mic stuff sounds fascinating! I did check out: >http://www.floraberlin.de/soundbag/sbdownloads/piezos.pdf >which has a lot of the basics. Any further suggestions on >websites for a piezo disk mic primer? They look appealing >for the novice electrician (me). >To what level of mic sophistication can they be taken...like, >could I attach one to my flute? |: David :| > >How about sticking a contact(piezo) mic to the side of the > >tank? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 14:28:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08017; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:27:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:27:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20021001075708.56081.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... --- MIKO wrote: > A terrible mind is the result of a society that > refuses to let you love, Oh yeah? Well who gets to define love? What if you "love" molesting children? What if you "love" being a thief? What if you "love" yourself to the degree that the entire world should subjugate itself to your desires? Well I do not molest children. I am not a thief. And I think you should be forced to deal with trashy thoughts about subjugation if you would ever choose to psychologically rape me daily, take away my privacy entirely, and never think twice about it. Basically I'm saying gob to Hell because you've bought into hype or cruel video editing.] You realize, that all visible can be a form of media and that even if you think you're watching the actual event, it can and almost always will be edited. And sometimes an actor on a stage that is also a prison where he was placed without trial, judge, or jury will be punished in this manner for desiring anything at all. John, you are a major, major asshole. > that makes the lives of others into an objectified > spectacle, It's been my observation that we do quite well at making spectacles of ourselves. I see. Let me sit back and watch every minute of your life for a while shlthead. > and has no > ability to reach into the hearts of the people > within the society, help them > to feel valid and good about themselves, so that > they can love. Paging Charles Manson, customer needs assistance on aisle one. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe there are valid reasons why people should not feel good about them- selves? We will never progress if we insist on seeing our faults, vices, sins, as virtues. We can certainly learn from our mistakes; but, we have to admit our mistakes first. No. The mistakes have been allowed to occur by the sadistic audience of a society cognizant of where events will drive a human heart and deeply lustful of seeing a boring romantic drama become a horror movie. You are obviously one of the morons who believes media hype but has made no attempt to determine fact from fiction, or to review the full text and video of the history of those who have been provoked into painful lives and painful responses by people EXACTLY like you who CREATE the pain by FAILING to do anything other than react with stupidity and hatred. You make me deeply angry and now I must go break things. > A terrible mind is always an indicator of a society > failing. But societies > fail when there's no one specifically in charge of > what's most important. Are you referring to God? I guess not. No, because the higher conscious expects to see responsibility taken at this level and is deeply upset that people keep waiting for all the help to come from "above". Get off your lazy ASS and start CARING, if only to give your God some reason to care, at all, about you. > We need to elect a President of Self-Worth and make > him (or her) responsible > for guiding people toward the love they need. And > this President of Love > needs the power to change the rules so that they > actually work- so that the > society of the human mind keeps a space open for the > society of human > hearts- every heart, everywhere. I nominate Pat Buchanan. Don't laugh, it's no more stupid than any name you'll come up with. Miko, I know I'm coming on a bit strong; but, has there ever been a dictator who didn't achieve power by making "the people" think he loved them? Caesar loved the mobs of Rome, Stalin loved the workers, and Hitler loved the German Volk. You are coming on stronger than the odor a homeless German passed out on a pile of dog poopoo at a garlic festival during Oktoberfest. And I appreciate NOTHING you say. I actually wish you didn't exist but I will accept that morons like you scratch your asses constantly in the royal palace of your own privacy and you never question your own deep imperfection. I imagine the world will love itslf to death one day. The phrasing would be "All that loves in the universe will soon die of hopelessness because human nature has no ability to self-reflect or self-perceive, and makes NO effort." John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 14:32:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08670; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:31:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:31:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:31:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020930225546.007cce90@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3D98BA57.8D6849A2@zerocrossing.net> <20020927233045.54235.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, I also found it strange that somebody would go off and create a different looping list. At 09:55 PM 9/30/2002, Goddess wrote: > I can't speak for Bret, but I think he probably started Loop Music for >more musically oriented discussions of looping rather than more gear >related posts. I'm sure it's all welcome, but just my thoughts. But, that is exactly the purpose of the Looper's Delight list. It is here for the community to discuss looping, ESPECIALLY the musical aspects of it. And people do discuss that. They also discuss gear, because that is of course related to the music as well. But this list is definitely not only about gear. If you want to discuss more music, and don't find the topics here are fitting that need well enough, then bring up your own topics! That is the beauty of a list discussion forum like this. Anybody can come and direct the conversation into a new area. Just bring up the idea, and others will join in as they find it interesting. I think that really helps for building a community together - sharing knowledge and ideas so all the people involved have an opportunity to learn from it and contribute their piece. Going off to make your own sandbox seems like fragmenting a community, not building it. I find the gear discussions necessary but rather boring most times. I would far rather read people's ideas on music and looping. And specifically, I would enjoy reading your ideas! > -and, since there's no common area here in which to post audio samples, >posting there was an option where people could log on and hear them. -as I >said, these are just my thoughts... But there could be. Nobody really asked! Everything about Looper's Delight exists by users of the list and the website helping out to build it. People contribute their ideas, their writings, their art, their technical skills, their labor, even their money, to help build the site and make the list interesting. These are people right here, all around you on this list. If it were just me doing all this stuff, there would hardly be anything on Looper's Delight at all, believe me! Is their some feature you think LD should have that would make it more interesting for you? Why not help to make it true? Bring up the idea, see if others would like it too, chip in some work if you have the skills, or help find and motivate somebody who can help. That is how Looper's Delight has been built! This is your community, here for you to create as you like it. There has been a long trend on the internet, which I find very sad. It used to be very much of a community oriented experience. People really did come along and offer to help each other all the time. There was a spirit of building something together, and actively contributing something. Over time it has slowly changed into a form of passive entertainment. If people don't find what they want, they change the channel to the next place. They don't see it as something to actively contribute to anymore. Looper's Delight is still a hold-out against that trend, but for sure I've seen this with Looper's Delight. In the early days, people were constantly coming up with ideas, organizing them, and putting the pages together for the site. Now it is very rare. I don't think it is because people are unwilling to help, they just don't think about it anymore. So here is your reminder, Looper's Delight can use your help! kim >At 01:55 PM 9/30/02 -0700, you wrote: > >So... another loop list? Why? Is Loopers D not enough? I subscribed > >because I wanted to hear the mp3 file. Is that what people are using this > >list for? A posting place? > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >Bret wrote: > > > >> which is the file section of loopmusic yahoo group: > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ > >> It sounds way cool. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 14:46:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09383; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:39:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:39:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001113058.039af008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:39:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future In-Reply-To: <005401c268e4$53165580$6c4a4ed5@bigboy> References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:48 PM 9/30/2002, Steve Lawson wrote: > > Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely off? Not >only > > do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine rhetoric, >but > > it's rhythmically all over the place. I'm not just talking "loose" I'm >taking > > "suck." Don't perpetrate the stereotype... > >Really?????? I think Eminem's sense of timing is INCREDIBLE - seriously, I'm >so into his rhythmic thing it's not funny. The jury's still out on whether >he's a remarkable social satirist or just trailor trash with a recording >budget, but I'm well into his rhythm... yes, I have to agree with that too, I find his rhythm to be pretty tight. Mark, I think you said you only saw a performance on some awards show? I wouldn't trust that, because I've seen many such performances where it looked like the musicians were really struggling to hear anything from their monitors. It often sounds like they lack any sense of rhythm, or have never played together before, when probably they just can't hear anything. I imagine those shows design the set for tv, and don't put a lot of thought into the stage sound. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 14:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10248; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:46:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:46:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c2697a$a5b0f700$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20021001180555.22079.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Piezo mics Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:45:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There's some info on this site you might enjoy looking at, too: http://www.windworld.com/emi/links.htm Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 15:05:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11352; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:03:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:03:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:03:13 +0200 Subject: Re: was / CE EDP From: shigihara@t-online.de (Paul Shigihara) To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200210011059.GAA07872@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Sender: 510037163966-0001@t-dialin.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA11295 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>Datum: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:07:21 -0300 >>An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Betreff: Re: was / CE EDP >> >> >ja, das Machtspiel der Kontinente... Nun, die Europäer haben den >harten CE Test erfunden, und er ist ein Hauptgrund, warum die >Looperei da nicht weiter verbreitet ist. > >>Die EDP gibt es in die Schweiz aber f¸r die reiche >>nur! >> >ja, Zenker hatte es sehr teuer im Vertrieb, aber das wird hoffentlich anders. >Zur Zeit hat er wohl auch keine mehr. Aber im Dezember sollten die CE >Geräte überall in Europa erhältlich sein! Matthias, this is good news... Any idea how much the CE EDP will be going for ? Is it going to be called EDP plus and does it come w/ Loop IV ? Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 15:39:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13283; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D99F984.B342FF90@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:37:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021001113058.039af008@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was off. (OH, LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) Frankly, my best opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our culture. But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about his "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd rather just hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla Ice. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > Mark, I think you said you only saw a performance on some awards show? I > wouldn't trust that, because I've seen many such performances where it > looked like the musicians were really struggling to hear anything from > their monitors. It often sounds like they lack any sense of rhythm, or have > never played together before, when probably they just can't hear anything. > I imagine those shows design the set for tv, and don't put a lot of thought > into the stage sound. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 15:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13535; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D99FA7C.1B57E27A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 12:41:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: musings/ramblings References: <20020927183025.6026A2FD2F@server3.fastmail.fm> <001401c2695e$5dd0ea10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, never have I heard a more succinct description of the looping process! Nice! Mark Sottilaro Dennis Leas wrote: > All the talk about right brain vs. left brain, technology vs. art, seeing > vs. hearing, MIDI balls, MIDI foot switches, etc seems oddly related, to me. > > I am just finishing a large looping programming project, the Looper > Construction Kit, which I'm sure to talk about lots more in a few weeks. > While intensely working on it, I felt like I was in a state of mind rather > opposite to when I improvise music. Kind of a right/left brain thing. > Programming sometimes seems all structure and discipline. Extremely low > entropy stuff, nothing left to chance. Highly goal driven activity in that > you clearly imagine the goal then work directly towards it. As opposed to > improvising, where I never feel like I know where I am or where I'm going > until I get there. And then I don't care *where I am now* because I'm > always looking towards the horizon. > > And there seems to be a kind of yin/yang balance between total chaos and > total order. I see this especially in our looping tools. The EDP, for > example, represents an ordering force. Even if I create total random noise > (is there such a thing?), when I loop it, it becomes rhythmic and hence > structured. The EDP imposes a order, in particular with the new sync > features of Loop IV. > > Our loopers are like our partners. They're the law-and-order accountants. > They pay attention to the details, freeing us from the mundane for the more > creative work as we play. > > In the preparation phase, we expend our ordering efforts. We program our > loopers, footswitches, etc for our anticipated needs just as we train our > fingers, arms, hands, and voices. In the performance phase, we depend on > our prior work for our creative process. With technology, I can depend on > somebody else's prior work like a fulcrum for my creative efforts. > > Time for more coffee... > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 15:58:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14583; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:58:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:58:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:57:40 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: WATER MUSIC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200209290440.AAA22443@hemlock.violacea.com> <008901c26783$9d665020$3862f93f@global> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com this isn't exactly water music, but here it is anyway: i studied a bit with a performance artist named jim pomeroy (aka blind snake) who did a peace called "is there sound in a vacuum?" for part of it, he used a device he had made with two large tubes (~8ft long, ~2inch diameter) placed vertically and connected at the bottom through a water pump. they were open at the top and he had fastened the hoses of two vacuum cleaners to blow across the top. this caused two quite loud sounds that were almost sine waves. then he pumped water slowly from one tube to the other so that one pitch moved up while the other moved down. the interference between them was pretty interesting... all the while he would ask in exagerated mock quandery, "is there sound in a vacuum?" 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A smaller one simply holds the > data less time (weeks > you leave the unit unconnected) > > For the polarity simply get the volt meter out > and measure when its > on, because it will be charging with the right > polarity. > > >Hi, > > > >hey I got one of the rfc-1' and do you have > the specs of the batery > >that your ordered and a part # that would be > very helpful to me as > >well as I have had the orginal battery in it > since I got it , geez, > >10 years ago or so > > > >Thanks > >Denis > > > >Denis taaffe > >denis@dtguitar.com > >http:/www.dtguitar.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: relayonemanband@earthlink.net > >[mailto:relayonemanband@earthlink.net] > >Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:14 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Lake Butler RFC-1 Battery Woes--No > Direct Loop Content > > > > > >Hi all- > >I attempted to change the battery in my RFC-1, > the full featured MIDI foot > >controller I used before I acquired the > PMC-10. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA== --WBE1033504322271ecb507ca9dee58163f8001cc9254d-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 16:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18224; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:36:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:36:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021001203410.76308.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:34:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: hardware sequencers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D98BA57.8D6849A2@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8c343C.A.CcE.Ocgm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I created the yahoo group loopmusic in order to get some free space to share loop music files. If/when another site becomes available for loop music file sharing, this yahoo group will not be needed. Yahoo groups limit the files to less than 5mb each, and about 20mb total, so I hope someone comes up with a better solution to sharing loop sound bytes. I did not realize you had to subscribe to hear the music. I will see if I can change it so that anyone can listen without registering. bret --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > So... another loop list? Why? Is Loopers D not enough? I > subscribed > because I wanted to hear the mp3 file. Is that what people are using > this > list for? A posting place? > > Mark Sottilaro > > Bret wrote: > > > which is the file section of loopmusic yahoo group: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ > > It sounds way cool. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 16:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19498; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:46:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:46:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:36:39 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: WATER MUSIC In-reply-to: <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200209290440.AAA22443@hemlock.violacea.com> <008901c26783$9d665020$3862f93f@global> <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: <8DyoND.A.OwE.Tmgm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:57 PM -0500 10/1/02, jim palmer wrote: >i studied a bit with a performance artist named jim pomeroy Jim also had a piece using oil cans with screw-on lids. At the beginning of a show these would be sitting on a camp stove with water boiling in them, steam rising out of the openings. Jim would make his entrance, turn off the burners, and screw the lids on. During the next few minutes the heated water vapor inside the cans cooled off, reducing the internal pressure until the cans slowly began to implode. The resulting pinging sound was amplified, and I believe also run through an echo unit. The name of the piece was something on the order of "Self-playing Gamelan." Jim was great! He reminded me of Mr. Wizard on acid. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 16:48:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19790; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:47:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:47:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 15:46:48 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <024201c2698b$acd38870$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ouch. this doesn't sound much like love to me... 'For a forest to be green, each tree must be green' >... > Basically I'm saying gob to Hell because you've > bought into hype or cruel video editing.] > ... > John, you are a major, major asshole. >... >. Let me sit back and watch every minute of your life for a while > shlthead. >... > You are obviously one of the morons who believes media hype but has made no > attempt to determine fact from fiction, or to review the full text and video > of the history of those who have been provoked into painful lives and > painful responses by people EXACTLY like you who CREATE the pain by FAILING > to do anything other than react with stupidity and hatred. > You make me deeply angry and now I must go break things. > ... > You are coming on stronger than the odor a homeless German passed out on a > pile of dog poopoo at a garlic festival during Oktoberfest. > And I appreciate NOTHING you say. I actually wish you didn't exist but I > will accept that morons like you scratch your asses constantly in the royal > palace of your own privacy and you never question your own deep > imperfection. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 16:52:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20357; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D9A0ACA.65C80C13@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:51:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hardware sequencers References: <20021001203410.76308.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, that's totally cool. It's just that this list takes up most of the time I can give up for email lists. A place to post is nice. There is a Loopers D mp3 radio station too, but posting is slower, as I think someone listens to make sure you're not posting pirated music. Mark Sottilaro Bret wrote: > I created the yahoo group loopmusic in order to get some free space to > share loop music files. If/when another site becomes available for > loop music file sharing, this yahoo group will not be needed. Yahoo > groups limit the files to less than 5mb each, and about 20mb total, so > I hope someone comes up with a better solution to sharing loop sound > bytes. > I did not realize you had to subscribe to hear the music. I will see > if I can change it so that anyone can listen without registering. > bret > --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > So... another loop list? Why? Is Loopers D not enough? I > > subscribed > > because I wanted to hear the mp3 file. Is that what people are using > > this > > list for? A posting place? > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > Bret wrote: > > > > > which is the file section of loopmusic yahoo group: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ > > > It sounds way cool. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 17:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22558; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:19:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:19:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021001211828.12362.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Mea culpa, father Kim. Forgive me. I did not mean to fragment the looping community, but simply to share music files. It is great to talk about music and looping, but hearing examples is better yet, for me. The theremin list I belong to used Yahoo groups for temporary sharing of theremin recordings, and that seemed to work well until a better server was established. MP3.com takes too long to approve new music to make it useful. Looper's delight did not have an area to post music, so I used yahoo groups as a location. Sorry, I did not think to ask if you would add such a section. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought this idea was discussed in past years and there was some space constraint on the ld server. What needs to happen in order to add an area to loopers delight to allow uploading and sharing of music files? If that can be done, then I will use LD to post loop music, delete the yahoo group loopmusic, and once again we will be defragmented and harmony can return :-) bret --- Kim Flint wrote: > yes, I also found it strange that somebody would go off and create a > different looping list. > > At 09:55 PM 9/30/2002, Goddess wrote: > > I can't speak for Bret, but I think he probably started Loop > Music for > >more musically oriented discussions of looping rather than more gear > >related posts. I'm sure it's all welcome, but just my thoughts. > > But, that is exactly the purpose of the Looper's Delight list. It is > here > for the community to discuss looping, ESPECIALLY the musical aspects > of it. > And people do discuss that. They also discuss gear, because that is > of > course related to the music as well. But this list is definitely not > only > about gear. > > If you want to discuss more music, and don't find the topics here are > > fitting that need well enough, then bring up your own topics! That is > the > beauty of a list discussion forum like this. Anybody can come and > direct > the conversation into a new area. Just bring up the idea, and others > will > join in as they find it interesting. I think that really helps for > building > a community together - sharing knowledge and ideas so all the people > involved have an opportunity to learn from it and contribute their > piece. > Going off to make your own sandbox seems like fragmenting a > community, not > building it. > > I find the gear discussions necessary but rather boring most times. I > would > far rather read people's ideas on music and looping. And > specifically, I > would enjoy reading your ideas! > > > -and, since there's no common area here in which to post audio > samples, > >posting there was an option where people could log on and hear them. > -as I > >said, these are just my thoughts... > > But there could be. Nobody really asked! Everything about Looper's > Delight > exists by users of the list and the website helping out to build it. > People > contribute their ideas, their writings, their art, their technical > skills, > their labor, even their money, to help build the site and make the > list > interesting. These are people right here, all around you on this > list. If > it were just me doing all this stuff, there would hardly be anything > on > Looper's Delight at all, believe me! > > Is their some feature you think LD should have that would make it > more > interesting for you? Why not help to make it true? Bring up the idea, > see > if others would like it too, chip in some work if you have the > skills, or > help find and motivate somebody who can help. That is how Looper's > Delight > has been built! This is your community, here for you to create as you > like it. > > There has been a long trend on the internet, which I find very sad. > It used > to be very much of a community oriented experience. People really did > come > along and offer to help each other all the time. There was a spirit > of > building something together, and actively contributing something. > Over time > it has slowly changed into a form of passive entertainment. If people > don't > find what they want, they change the channel to the next place. They > don't > see it as something to actively contribute to anymore. Looper's > Delight is > still a hold-out against that trend, but for sure I've seen this with > > Looper's Delight. In the early days, people were constantly coming up > with > ideas, organizing them, and putting the pages together for the site. > Now it > is very rare. I don't think it is because people are unwilling to > help, > they just don't think about it anymore. So here is your reminder, > Looper's > Delight can use your help! > > kim > > >At 01:55 PM 9/30/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So... another loop list? Why? Is Loopers D not enough? I > subscribed > > >because I wanted to hear the mp3 file. Is that what people are > using this > > >list for? A posting place? > > > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > > > >Bret wrote: > > > > > >> which is the file section of loopmusic yahoo group: > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/ > > >> It sounds way cool. > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 17:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23979; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021001113058.039af008@loopers-delight.com> <3D99F984.B342FF90@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:33:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 21:33:45.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[38AE6490:01C26992] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was off. (OH, > LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) Aww come on - they looked so cute together. Besides, Elton John isn't homophobic. > Frankly, my best > opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our culture. > But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about his > "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd rather just > hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla Ice. > Are you refering to the "white men can't rap" section, or the 'white men, can't rap" section? Put me in the 'what's the big deal with Slim Whiney' category. And no, I do like plenty of other hiphop. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 18:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27243; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005401c2699a$618e7000$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <3D98BA57.8D6849A2@zerocrossing.net> <20020927233045.54235.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is ... Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:32:09 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is their some feature you think LD should have that would make it more > interesting for you? Why not help to make it true? Bring up the idea, see > if others would like it too, chip in some work if you have the skills, or > help find and motivate somebody who can help. That is how Looper's Delight > has been built! This is your community, here for you to create as you like it. Hi Kim, I'm sure this isn't what you're looking for - but I'd really appreciate having a little (ld) or (LD) at the beginning of the subject lines for each post. It's pretty normal on the other lists I subscribe to and would help me to zero in on my personal e-mail without having to send all the LD schtuff (and there's lots!) into a separate folder. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > There has been a long trend on the internet, which I find very sad. It used > to be very much of a community oriented experience. People really did come > along and offer to help each other all the time. There was a spirit of > building something together, and actively contributing something. Over time > it has slowly changed into a form of passive entertainment. If people don't > find what they want, they change the channel to the next place. They don't > see it as something to actively contribute to anymore. Looper's Delight is > still a hold-out against that trend, but for sure I've seen this with > Looper's Delight. In the early days, people were constantly coming up with > ideas, organizing them, and putting the pages together for the site. Now it > is very rare. I don't think it is because people are unwilling to help, > they just don't think about it anymore. So here is your reminder, Looper's > Delight can use your help! > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 18:51:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29556; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: How to Tell it's Looper Mail . . . Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c2699c$e7162cc0$1c07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <005401c2699a$618e7000$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott McGregor Moore expressed: I'd really appreciate having a little (ld) or (LD) at the beginning of the subject lines for each post. It's pretty normal on the other lists I subscribe to and would help me to zero in on my personal e-mail without having to send all the LD schtuff (and there's lots!) into a separate folder. ```When I started to wonder what I was receiving thru email, I configured the inbox of Outlook to show file size (a real eyeopener!) and "To", enabling me to know which mailbox the item was from. All my Looper mail shows up as from LD. However, when I went to reply to this message, the default was to Scott--hmmm . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 19:37:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32112; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:36:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:36:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20021001183533.006ec344@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:35:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future In-Reply-To: References: <000801c268a1$d04c9b60$0201a8c0@eluk> <3D98C3B4.8AD3B891@zerocrossing.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021001113058.039af008@loopers-delight.com> <3D99F984.B342FF90@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, Vanilla Ice is my favorite artist! Well, besides Burl Haggard. M.. At 02:33 PM 10/1/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > >> Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was off. >(OH, >> LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) > >Aww come on - they looked so cute together. Besides, Elton John isn't >homophobic. > >> Frankly, my best >> opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our >culture. >> But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about >his >> "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd >rather just >> hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla >Ice. >> > >Are you refering to the "white men can't rap" section, or the 'white men, >can't rap" section? > >Put me in the 'what's the big deal with Slim Whiney' category. And no, I do >like plenty of other hiphop. > >bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 19:37:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32115; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:36:26 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: WATER MUSIC To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02a801c269a3$5d7faf70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200209290440.AAA22443@hemlock.violacea.com> <008901c26783$9d665020$3862f93f@global> <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >... The name of the piece was something on > the order of "Self-playing Gamelan." i had heard of that one, but never saw him perform it. yours is a better description than what i had heard, though. > Jim was great! He reminded me of Mr. Wizard on acid. > -- i hadn't ever gone looking for his stuff online, but i just found this: http://www.well.com/~demarini/pomeroy.html there is a better description of the piece i mentioned (as well as some other gems) i had forgotten the ladder (duh) it also doesn't mention the pumps. check out the mr. wizard reference. interesting how the circles back around... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 20:13:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02020; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021002001212.54553.qmail@web21307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is ... To: Scott McGregor Moore , loopers-delight In-Reply-To: <005401c2699a$618e7000$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Scott McGregor Moore wrote: > I'm sure this isn't what you're looking for - but I'd really appreciate > having a little (ld) or (LD) at the beginning of the subject lines > for each post. It's pretty normal on the other lists I subscribe to > and would help me to zero in on my personal e-mail without > having to send all the LD schtuff (and there's lots!) into a separate > folder. I sort mine based on the email address it was sent to. So if the destination was "To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" It goes in the loopers-delight folder. Otherwise it goes in my inbox. The problem with using some text in the subject is that when people reply to you personally (instead of the list) using a msg from the list as a basis (maybe something you wrote...), the personal email gets lost in the list folder. I had this problem with another list I'm on until I changed my filter to use the To: address instead of a substring of the Subject. There was a flurry of activity on the list at a time I was very busy and I didn't find a personal email someone sent me (an urgent request...) which had the list name in the subject, for several weeks. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 20:23:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02584; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021002002236.18717.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <024201c2698b$acd38870$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will your peculiar brand of love be expressed by sending me a valentine at the gulag every year or should I expect a perfunctory hug & a bullet to the back of the head? PEACE/LOVE/DOPE!!!! (one out of three ain't bad) John > > Basically I'm saying gob to Hell because you've > > bought into hype or cruel video editing.] > > ... > > John, you are a major, major asshole. > >... > >. Let me sit back and watch every minute of your > life for a while > > shlthead. > >... > > You are obviously one of the morons who believes > media hype but has made no > > attempt to determine fact from fiction, or to > review the full text and video > > of the history of those who have been provoked > into painful lives and > > painful responses by people EXACTLY like you who > CREATE the pain by FAILING > > to do anything other than react with stupidity and > hatred. > > You make me deeply angry and now I must go break > things. > > ... > > You are coming on stronger than the odor a > homeless German passed out on a > > pile of dog poopoo at a garlic festival during > Oktoberfest. > > And I appreciate NOTHING you say. I actually wish > you didn't exist but I > > will accept that morons like you scratch your > asses constantly in the royal > > palace of your own privacy and you never question > your own deep > > imperfection. > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 20:28:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03023; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 02:25:07 +0200 Subject: Re: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D87C4450000DDAD@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <67622274-D59D-11D6-A40E-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd love something that was modular in design, whereby you connect everything together how you want. - Transport bar(s) separately designed for the EDP/Repeater - Different configurations of switch boards and multiple pedal boards - Expansion boards/CSV triggers etc. etc. - Multiple Midi I/O modules Think of a lego set, or scalelectrix, and you'll get an idea of what I mean. All these interconnected by, lets say USB... I think that would allow up to 256 modules connected on one single hub. The core controller unit would contain an OS, fast CPU and about 128/256MB Flash memory.... Plug the controller to a Mac/PC via USB, and the unit shows up in graphical form on the screen. You click a trigger/event/cycle/whatever that you want to create, and using either a menu prompt system or a simple but powerful and logical programming language, be able to insert as many CC/PC/Note/anything commands in there as I need..... Click save, and the controller board is updated with the new setup. But then I'm dreaming..... :-) Re: the controm On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 07:59 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > If I may take your example a bit further: > > "the capability to trigger an event on button-press and another evemt on > button-release" > > Where an 'event' might be a single midi message, or a series of midi > messages. > > Just a thought... :) > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Dennis Leas" >> To: >> Subject: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? >> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:40:15 -0500 >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> How about a little "design by community"... >> >> So what does the ideal footswitch for looping look like? What features > are >> missing in existing designs? What is essential? What is necessary >> and/or >> sufficient? >> >> For example, it seems to me that the capability to send one message on >> button-press and another message on button-release is required. >> >> Dennis Leas >> ------------------- >> dennis@mail.worldserver.com >> > > > > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 1 23:07:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12415; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:06:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:06:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:51:20 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: WATER MUSIC In-reply-to: <02a801c269a3$5d7faf70$080210ac@jpalmer> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <200209290440.AAA22443@hemlock.violacea.com> <008901c26783$9d665020$3862f93f@global> <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> <02a801c269a3$5d7faf70$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: <1eHt1.A.LBD.RKmm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 6:36 PM -0500 10/1/02, jim palmer wrote: >i hadn't ever gone looking for his stuff online, but i just found this: >http://www.well.com/~demarini/pomeroy.html An excellent article; it really does Jim's work justice. Paul Demarinis was naturally familiar with Jim Pomeroy, both being active on the Bay Area arts scene throughout the same period. The "Hat Dance" was my favorite of Jim's performances. Paul D's description is good, but omits some details that made the piece especially effective for me. Jim's stage persona was especially powerful because Jim himself had a commanding presence. We was a long tall Texan with a strong jaw and a dimple in his chin, rather jowly and with a well-cultivated beer gut. He was massive and obviously strong. He could have been threatening, but instead he chose to be amusing and bear-like. When Jim hit the stage wearing electric hat and white Long Johns he had some of the character of an overstuffed sausage. When the striped projections hit his body the stripes really wrapped around, forming concentric ovals. His demeanor was innocent, almost infantile, and when he approached the interface between the light-field of black and white stripes and that of bright red, he did so with equal parts awe and curiosity. At first he poked an index finger tentatively into the red light, probing gently and marvelling as his digit turned bright crimson. He pulled out out and it reverted to black and white stripes. Then he thrust his whole hand through and wiggled his fingers. Then he inserted the entire arm and flopped it about, growing more exuberant all the time. Finally, will full commitment, he threw his entire body across and he turned completely red as he danced a frenzied jig. At this precise moment he also hit a foot switch that turned on a fuzz box, so that the previously gentle tinkling of the wind chimes on his hat abruptly burst into a searing cascade of distortion. >check out the mr. wizard reference. >interesting how the circles back around... I was another rapt fan of Mr. Wizard, though I never got into the Boy Mechanic thing the way others did. Don Herbert, who played Mr. Wizard, was sponsored by the American Breakfast Council, and there was a single "commercial" that was integrated into the show. At some point one of the experiments would reveal the letters "FCMBB" in a clever way. It might be an invisible ink experiment or a demonstration of anamorphic lenses, but it always fit into the flow of the show. The letters stood for Fruit, Cereal, Milk, Bread, and Butter, and Mr. Wizard would spend a moment reminding his audience that a good breakfast was an important start of any day. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 00:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17789; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:32:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:32:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <151.15132222.2acbd0b1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:31:45 EDT Subject: home from work and readin LD..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_151.15132222.2acbd0b1_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_151.15132222.2acbd0b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/02 4:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > 'For a forest to be green, each tree must be green' > if i am blind are the trees still green?.....but your right jim, miko sounds like the dali lama with an ak-47..... i love it!.....in fact, dennis' posts, the piezo posts, kims posts, all of them.....what a great read tonite was.....i would love to see the CT-COLLECTIVE cds as mp3s at LD and all of the music that we all do posted there, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS ENTAILS.....kim, do you have the space to post music? what would something like this take? i would think that someone could get this together, no?.....it would only make sense for LD to be your one stop shop for all things loopy.....but im crushed, just got finished waiting on 64 people who had a 5 course dinner with a different wine with each course, never did that before, beats ya down let me tell ya!, the whole thing was loops within loops.....so forgive the ramble.....btb, here is a drink im going to submit to a "drink contest" called a "WILD MIST" equal parts "WILD TURKEY 101 and IRISH MIST" ask for it, lets make it popular all over the world and what ever i win, and i will for it is a delightful drink, i will give to kim for the further growth of LD.....im going to go shut up and pass out.....thanks to kim and LD for makin my life a bit more fun.....michael --part1_151.15132222.2acbd0b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/02 4:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes:


'For a forest to be green, each tree must be green'


if i am blind are the trees still green?.....but your right jim, miko sounds like the dali lama with an ak-47..... i love it!.....in fact, dennis' posts, the piezo posts, kims posts, all of them.....what a great read tonite was.....i would love to see the CT-COLLECTIVE cds as mp3s at LD and all of the music that we all do posted there, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS ENTAILS.....kim, do you have the space to post music? what would something like this take? i would think that someone could get this together, no?.....it would only make sense for LD to be your one stop shop for all things loopy.....but im crushed, just got finished waiting on 64 people who had a 5 course dinner with a different wine with each course, never did that before, beats ya down let me tell ya!, the whole thing was loops within loops.....so forgive the ramble.....btb, here is a drink im going to submit to a "drink contest" called a "WILD MIST" equal parts "WILD TURKEY 101 and IRISH MIST" ask for it, lets make it popular all over the world and what ever i win, and i will for it is a delightful drink, i will give to kim for the further growth of LD.....im going to go shut up and pass out.....thanks to kim and LD for makin my life a bit more fun.....michael
--part1_151.15132222.2acbd0b1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 03:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03042; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 03:25:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 03:25:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:24:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <024201c2698b$acd38870$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes but I have been tortured. Can't ALL of you see that? I get all the vibes from all of the evil people and I am forced to BEAR them inside me. Do you realize that I have this burden? Do you realize that I have to be the bad person for everyone? And I never get to be the truly good person- unless everyone else starts being good? It just can't happen. I'm an empathy, and I HAVE those angry emotions in me whenever people shoot them my way! When are people going to LEARN this, and help me to heal? -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... ouch. this doesn't sound much like love to me... 'For a forest to be green, each tree must be green' >... > Basically I'm saying gob to Hell because you've > bought into hype or cruel video editing.] > ... > John, you are a major, major asshole. >... >. Let me sit back and watch every minute of your life for a while > shlthead. >... > You are obviously one of the morons who believes media hype but has made no > attempt to determine fact from fiction, or to review the full text and video > of the history of those who have been provoked into painful lives and > painful responses by people EXACTLY like you who CREATE the pain by FAILING > to do anything other than react with stupidity and hatred. > You make me deeply angry and now I must go break things. > ... > You are coming on stronger than the odor a homeless German passed out on a > pile of dog poopoo at a garlic festival during Oktoberfest. > And I appreciate NOTHING you say. I actually wish you didn't exist but I > will accept that morons like you scratch your asses constantly in the royal > palace of your own privacy and you never question your own deep > imperfection. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05587; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:01:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:01:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20021002002236.18717.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For people like you I'm beginning to think a bullet to the back of the head will do the trick. Damn I've tried so hard to talk about good, to perpetuate good, and yet there are so many jerks like you. I would have nothing against you if you didn't already have your own set of PERTURBED issues, the kind that keep ME awake at night and make us all miserable. Want some more porn? -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... Will your peculiar brand of love be expressed by sending me a valentine at the gulag every year or should I expect a perfunctory hug & a bullet to the back of the head? PEACE/LOVE/DOPE!!!! (one out of three ain't bad) John > > Basically I'm saying gob to Hell because you've > > bought into hype or cruel video editing.] > > ... > > John, you are a major, major asshole. > >... > >. Let me sit back and watch every minute of your > life for a while > > shlthead. > >... > > You are obviously one of the morons who believes > media hype but has made no > > attempt to determine fact from fiction, or to > review the full text and video > > of the history of those who have been provoked > into painful lives and > > painful responses by people EXACTLY like you who > CREATE the pain by FAILING > > to do anything other than react with stupidity and > hatred. > > You make me deeply angry and now I must go break > things. > > ... > > You are coming on stronger than the odor a > homeless German passed out on a > > pile of dog poopoo at a garlic festival during > Oktoberfest. > > And I appreciate NOTHING you say. I actually wish > you didn't exist but I > > will accept that morons like you scratch your > asses constantly in the royal > > palace of your own privacy and you never question > your own deep > > imperfection. > > ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05933; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:03:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:03:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001113058.039af008@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com And remember the whole Diana Ross "Divas" fiasco where there were monitor/audio problems? -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future At 05:48 PM 9/30/2002, Steve Lawson wrote: > > Is it only me that thinks Eminem's sense of rhythm is completely off? Not >only > > do I seem to have to (when I can't avoid him) here is asinine rhetoric, >but > > it's rhythmically all over the place. I'm not just talking "loose" I'm >taking > > "suck." Don't perpetrate the stereotype... > >Really?????? I think Eminem's sense of timing is INCREDIBLE - seriously, I'm >so into his rhythmic thing it's not funny. The jury's still out on whether >he's a remarkable social satirist or just trailor trash with a recording >budget, but I'm well into his rhythm... yes, I have to agree with that too, I find his rhythm to be pretty tight. Mark, I think you said you only saw a performance on some awards show? I wouldn't trust that, because I've seen many such performances where it looked like the musicians were really struggling to hear anything from their monitors. It often sounds like they lack any sense of rhythm, or have never played together before, when probably they just can't hear anything. I imagine those shows design the set for tv, and don't put a lot of thought into the stage sound. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:05:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06179; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:05:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:05:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:04:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3D99F984.B342FF90@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hitler painted? -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was off. (OH, LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) Frankly, my best opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our culture. But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about his "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd rather just hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla Ice. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > Mark, I think you said you only saw a performance on some awards show? I > wouldn't trust that, because I've seen many such performances where it > looked like the musicians were really struggling to hear anything from > their monitors. It often sounds like they lack any sense of rhythm, or have > never played together before, when probably they just can't hear anything. > I imagine those shows design the set for tv, and don't put a lot of thought > into the stage sound. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:09:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06402; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:08:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:08:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Volume Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:07:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3D99FA7C.1B57E27A@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I finally get my head on straight (when the bar downstairs and the people around me let me SLEEP), and your trust that I'm doing better, please turn the volume up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:10:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06543; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:09:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:09:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: WATER MUSIC Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:08:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0NZBF.A.ylB.2mqm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't like self-playing themes. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WATER MUSIC At 2:57 PM -0500 10/1/02, jim palmer wrote: >i studied a bit with a performance artist named jim pomeroy Jim also had a piece using oil cans with screw-on lids. At the beginning of a show these would be sitting on a camp stove with water boiling in them, steam rising out of the openings. Jim would make his entrance, turn off the burners, and screw the lids on. During the next few minutes the heated water vapor inside the cans cooled off, reducing the internal pressure until the cans slowly began to implode. The resulting pinging sound was amplified, and I believe also run through an echo unit. The name of the piece was something on the order of "Self-playing Gamelan." Jim was great! He reminded me of Mr. Wizard on acid. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06331; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:07:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:06:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3D99F984.B342FF90@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not supportive of homophobia of course but can identify clearly with the parental issues is "Cleaning Out My Closets". Some parents treat their kids like such crap, the kids (like me) have a horrible disadvantage simply trying to act normally in the world as an adult. -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was off. (OH, LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) Frankly, my best opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our culture. But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about his "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd rather just hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla Ice. Mark Sottilaro Kim Flint wrote: > Mark, I think you said you only saw a performance on some awards show? I > wouldn't trust that, because I've seen many such performances where it > looked like the musicians were really struggling to hear anything from > their monitors. It often sounds like they lack any sense of rhythm, or have > never played together before, when probably they just can't hear anything. > I imagine those shows design the set for tv, and don't put a lot of thought > into the stage sound. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:17:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06925; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 03:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021001183533.006ec344@mail.airmail.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the risk of getting the wrath of the anti-Eminem folks... I've come to my own personal revelation that anyone who makes it in the music business doesn't suck, they have each worked hard in their own way to refine their God given talents and their karma and hard work has put them there. I think it's a matter of taste and not a judgment on whether a particular artist can play or not. I do believe the Sound Current (Music) has such a powerful impact on all of life and think it's unfortunate that artists use it unconsciously to express their anger and rage and the lowest common denominators in life which breeds more of the same (the recent episode at Woodstock would be an example) but so goes life in the current Kali-Yuga (Iron Age). At least we have the so called "freedom" to express ourselves in our glorious US of A! (and those freedoms maybe slipping through our hands) We all make our own beds and have to sleep in them.... sweet dreams beautiful brothers and sisters of the Loop! In Spirit, ARTHUR LEE www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Hey, Vanilla Ice is my favorite artist! Well, besides Burl Haggard. M.. At 02:33 PM 10/1/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > >> Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was off. >(OH, >> LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) > >Aww come on - they looked so cute together. Besides, Elton John isn't >homophobic. > >> Frankly, my best >> opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our >culture. >> But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about >his >> "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd >rather just >> hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla >Ice. >> > >Are you refering to the "white men can't rap" section, or the 'white men, >can't rap" section? > >Put me in the 'what's the big deal with Slim Whiney' category. And no, I do >like plenty of other hiphop. > >bIz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 04:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09355; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 04:55:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002014628.024e5c10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:55:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: home from work and readin LD..... In-Reply-To: <151.15132222.2acbd0b1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-Hcx-C.A._RC.tRrm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:31 PM 10/1/2002, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >.....i would love to see the CT-COLLECTIVE cds as mp3s at LD and all of >the music that we all do posted there, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THIS >ENTAILS.....kim, do you have the space to post music? yes, there is space, although I think trying to post all of the ct stuff would be a bit much. You guys have done a lot! personally I would be more interested in a space on the site where people can post audio examples of ideas so they can more easily explain some concept. >what would something like this take? i would think that someone could get >this together, no?..... probably there is some kind of web-programming needed, so anybody out there with the chops to do a little upload/download section for LD and interested in putting the time in, let me know. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 05:07:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11108; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:07:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:07:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021002090708.82460.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 02:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: OT I guess- The 'Terrible Mind' follow-up... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4DkZ8B.A.QtC.9crm9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- MIKO wrote: > For people like you I'm beginning to think a bullet > to the back of the head > will do the trick. You'll have to marry me first. > Damn I've tried so hard to talk about good, to > perpetuate good, and yet > there are so many jerks like you. If I had known you were the goddess of emphazema, I wouldn't have opposed your plan for dictatorship. > I would have nothing against you if you didn't > already have your own set of > PERTURBED issues, the kind that keep ME awake at > night and make us all > miserable. PERTURBED issues was a great band; but, I'll try to keep the volume down. > Want some more porn? Couldn't we just split a fresca? John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 05:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11342; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:08:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:08:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002015555.03eb5720@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 02:08:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is ... In-Reply-To: <005401c2699a$618e7000$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> References: <3D98BA57.8D6849A2@zerocrossing.net> <20020927233045.54235.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 03:32 PM 10/1/2002, Scott McGregor Moore wrote: >Hi Kim, > >I'm sure this isn't what you're looking for - but I'd really appreciate >having a little (ld) or (LD) at the beginning of the subject lines >for each post. It's pretty normal on the other lists I subscribe to >and would help me to zero in on my personal e-mail without >having to send all the LD schtuff (and there's lots!) into a separate >folder. we don't need to clutter the list with that sort of "idiot feature". It drives me nuts that so many list owners gave into that. This is what filtering and separate mailboxes are for. Just about every mail program has filtering. Set up a filter for the to: and cc: field. Any mail with the looper's delight address in the to: or cc: field will be an LD post. Have your filter send those mails off to an LD mailbox, or highlight them a different color, or give them a different priority, or set a label, or whatever you want to do with them. Very simple. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 05:27:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12471; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:27:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 05:27:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c269f6$318eab20$475a4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:29:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Arthur Lee wrote: > At the risk of getting the wrath of the anti-Eminem folks... > I've come to my own personal revelation that anyone who makes it in the > music business > doesn't suck, they have each worked hard in their own way to refine their > God given talents and their karma and hard work has put them there. I think > it's a matter of taste and not a judgment on whether a particular artist can > play or not. Arthur, the point about taste is fair enough, but there are 'clearly' a LOT of people who make it - usually for a short time - in the music biz who have no 'talent' as such, certainly not for music - the Milli Vanillis of this world - it could be argued that even Milli Vanilli could dance, but you don't win Grammies for dancing... 'Making it' on that kind of level is all about money - the recent spate world-wide of shows like 'pop stars' and 'pop idol' following the manufacturing of bands, and also the prevalence of bad singers who look good getting a 'pro-tools voice makeover' to pull their sorry-assed singing in tune demonstrate that the real geniuses at that end of the biz are the marketing people and the studio engineers who make silk purses out of the most rotten of sow's ears. Your sentiment is lovely, and I only wish that it were true. My only consolation is that I don't even think of myself as being in the same profession as that stuff, and as such can appreciate good pop from a distance, disassociating it from the artists and listening to it for what it is - disposable fluff that may or may not contain real nuggets (I speak as a big Spice Girls fan... :o) There are people on that end of the market who can both play and sing - Craig David comes to mind, as well as a few of the poppier singer/songwriters around. The music buying masses don't really care, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it... As for Eminem, as I said, I still can't make out where he's coming from. I love his sense of rhythm, and his control of words and rhyme is, IMHO, mind-blowing - and the first time I heard 'Stan' on the radio, I had to pull my car in to the side of the road in tears (me, not the car - she's not into rap). Still, the 'message' that his stuff seems to carry a lot of the time is appalling, and the thought that there are kids in the world who look up to him is a scary one for the future of the planet, though arguably only marginally more scary than the people who are currently in power... You 'can' be huge in the music biz without any hard work - unless breast enhancement surgery or blowing a record company exec can be classed as hard work. However, the big question is why would anyone want to 'make it' in the music biz? I've never met anyone who was measureably happier as a 'star' than before, and I've met a lot who were distinctly uncomfortable - it's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that turns out to be a dung-heap. Your own loftier and more spiritual aims seem to be a much more enlightened and healthy path to pursue, and I hope and pray that you manage to sell a shed-load of records along the way... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 08:25:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA24950; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:25:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:25:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:23:02 +0200 Subject: Re: was / CE EDP From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA24902 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 01.10.2002 4:07 Uhr schrieb Matthias Grob unter matthias@grob.org: >> --- Paul Shigihara wrote: >>> Hi Paul, >> Ich habe auch das gef¸hl das Europa das n”chste >> vorbild wird.Die EU zeigt schon das die Europ”er nicht >> mehr auf ihre Egozentrische tripp sind! > > ja, das Machtspiel der Kontinente... Nun, die Europäer haben den > harten CE Test erfunden, und er ist ein Hauptgrund, warum die > Looperei da nicht weiter verbreitet ist. > >> Die EDP gibt es in die Schweiz aber f¸r die reiche >> nur! > > ja, Zenker hatte es sehr teuer im Vertrieb, aber das wird hoffentlich anders. > Zur Zeit hat er wohl auch keine mehr. Aber im Dezember sollten die CE > Geräte überall in Europa erhältlich sein! > >> Ciao >> Louie >> >> >>>>>> wir sind schon genug US lastig und alles hat in Europa begonnen >>>>>> und jetzt kommt ja die CE Version des Echoplex, also ist auch Gibson >>>>>> speziell an Europa interessiert. Der Hauptvertrieb ist M+M > > >>> Hallo Matthias, >>> >>> ab wann ist die CE EDP Version (mit Loop IV ?) denn >>> zu haben ? >>> >>> Gruesse aus Koeln, >>> >>> Paul Shigihara Was ist die CE-Version? Ist das einfach nur ein europaeischer Standard oder etwas neues? Gruß Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 11:22:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08032; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:17:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:17:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20021002101658.007f0800@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:16:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future In-Reply-To: References: <3D99F984.B342FF90@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com He was an artist and author .... before. M.. At 01:04 AM 10/2/02 -0700, you wrote: >Hitler painted? > >-----Original Message----- >From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 12:38 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future > >Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was off. >(OH, >LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) Frankly, my best >opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our >culture. >But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about >his >"music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd rather >just >hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla >Ice. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Kim Flint wrote: > >> Mark, I think you said you only saw a performance on some awards show? I >> wouldn't trust that, because I've seen many such performances where it >> looked like the musicians were really struggling to hear anything from >> their monitors. It often sounds like they lack any sense of rhythm, or >have >> never played together before, when probably they just can't hear anything. >> I imagine those shows design the set for tv, and don't put a lot of >thought >> into the stage sound. >> >> kim >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 11:22:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08375; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20021002101958.00907ca0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:19:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20021001183533.006ec344@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Music is an expression of emotion. Anger is an emotion. There is a lot of anger out there. Most of time, it's called "rock and roll." M... At 03:34 AM 10/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >At the risk of getting the wrath of the anti-Eminem folks... >I've come to my own personal revelation that anyone who makes it in the >music business >doesn't suck, they have each worked hard in their own way to refine their >God given talents and their karma and hard work has put them there. I think >it's a matter of taste and not a judgment on whether a particular artist can >play or not. > >I do believe the Sound Current (Music) has such a powerful impact on all of >life and think it's unfortunate that artists use it unconsciously to express >their anger and rage and the lowest common denominators in life which breeds >more of the same (the recent episode at Woodstock would be an example) but >so goes life in the current Kali-Yuga (Iron Age). At least we have the so >called "freedom" to express ourselves in our glorious US of A! (and those >freedoms maybe slipping through our hands) > >We all make our own beds and have to sleep in them.... >sweet dreams beautiful brothers and sisters of the Loop! > >In Spirit, >ARTHUR LEE >www.arthurleemusic.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:36 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future > > >Hey, Vanilla Ice is my favorite artist! Well, besides Burl Haggard. > >M.. > > >At 02:33 PM 10/1/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >> >>> Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was >off. >>(OH, >>> LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) >> >>Aww come on - they looked so cute together. Besides, Elton John isn't >>homophobic. >> >>> Frankly, my best >>> opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our >>culture. >>> But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about >>his >>> "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd >>rather just >>> hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla >>Ice. >>> >> >>Are you refering to the "white men can't rap" section, or the 'white men, >>can't rap" section? >> >>Put me in the 'what's the big deal with Slim Whiney' category. And no, I do >>like plenty of other hiphop. >> >>bIz >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 11:26:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08686; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:26:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:26:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021002152532.60048.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:25:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004301c269f6$318eab20$475a4ed5@bigboy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Steve Lawson wrote: > However, the big question is why would anyone want to 'make it' in the music > biz? I've never met anyone who was measureably happier as a 'star' than > before, and I've met a lot who were distinctly uncomfortable - it's the pot > of gold at the end of the rainbow that turns out to be a dung-heap. While I agree with you, nothing about this is exclusive to the music business. On can find themselves disenchanted with any career entered, after having to dredge through it for awhile. It's about expectations, if someone thinks a certain job will be wonderful and works several years to get there, only to find it's not that great, it can be very disappointing and discouraging. > Your own > loftier and more spiritual aims seem to be a much more enlightened and > healthy path to pursue, and I hope and pray that you manage to sell a > shed-load of records along the way... :o) Yeah, I agree. At least enough sales that you can continue doing what you love. That's important. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 11:57:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11474; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:54:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:54:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:37:37 -0500 Subject: digitech 7.6 mod | questions From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hello, has anyone on the list performed the delay mod on the digitech 7.6 time machine. I'm curious to get some feedback (!) on the results... adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 12:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13346; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c26a2e$48b422c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: digitech 7.6 mod | questions Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:10:52 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "adam" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 16:37:PM Subject: digitech 7.6 mod | questions > hello, > > has anyone on the list performed the delay mod on the digitech 7.6 time > machine. I'm curious to get some feedback (!) on the results... ..."delay mod"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 12:17:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14043; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:16:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:16:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DE21@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> From: "Simonson, Kevin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: digitech 7.6 mod | questions Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:15:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com List member Eric Williamson has, in fact, done the "mod". Oh Eeeeeerrrricccccc?! -K -----Original Message----- From: adam [mailto:submersible@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: digitech 7.6 mod | questions hello, has anyone on the list performed the delay mod on the digitech 7.6 time machine. I'm curious to get some feedback (!) on the results... adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 12:31:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15155; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:30:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:30:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: FW: Eminems success / labels future Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lawson [mailto:steve@steve-lawson.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Arthur Lee wrote: > At the risk of getting the wrath of the anti-Eminem folks... > I've come to my own personal revelation that anyone who makes it in the > music business > doesn't suck, they have each worked hard in their own way to refine their > God given talents and their karma and hard work has put them there. I think > it's a matter of taste and not a judgment on whether a particular artist can > play or not. Arthur, the point about taste is fair enough, but there are 'clearly' a LOT of people who make it - usually for a short time - in the music biz who have no 'talent' as such, certainly not for music - the Milli Vanillis of this world - it could be argued that even Milli Vanilli could dance, but you don't win Grammies for dancing... 'Making it' on that kind of level is all about money - the recent spate world-wide of shows like 'pop stars' and 'pop idol' following the manufacturing of bands, and also the prevalence of bad singers who look good getting a 'pro-tools voice makeover' to pull their sorry-assed singing in tune demonstrate that the real geniuses at that end of the biz are the marketing people and the studio engineers who make silk purses out of the most rotten of sow's ears. I'm still not so sure about that. I saw some special on Milli Vanilli (before I sent my TV bye bye) and they actually could sing and the question was why didn't they. I think there are certainly levels of talent but I think most of the people who make it still have talent and don't really suck. They had to have some or they wouldn't have gotton the "marketing people's" attention in the first place. Of course your ears are a bit more critical but I've heard so many musicians bad mouth people who have "made it" including myself, until I realized that you can't suck and actually make it, that it's more a matter of taste. I could still be proven wrong but I think it would be very rare. Art is all about taste isn't it? Your sentiment is lovely, and I only wish that it were true. My only consolation is that I don't even think of myself as being in the same profession as that stuff, and as such can appreciate good pop from a distance, disassociating it from the artists and listening to it for what it is - disposable fluff that may or may not contain real nuggets (I speak as a big Spice Girls fan... :o) There are people on that end of the market who can both play and sing - Craig David comes to mind, as well as a few of the poppier singer/songwriters around. The music buying masses don't really care, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it... I like the Spice Girls too...I didn't buy their CD but I saw them on MTV and thought they were good. As for Eminem, as I said, I still can't make out where he's coming from. I love his sense of rhythm, and his control of words and rhyme is, IMHO, mind-blowing - and the first time I heard 'Stan' on the radio, I had to pull my car in to the side of the road in tears (me, not the car - she's not into rap). Still, the 'message' that his stuff seems to carry a lot of the time is appalling, and the thought that there are kids in the world who look up to him is a scary one for the future of the planet, though arguably only marginally more scary than the people who are currently in power... It's like every generation needs to push the envelope lower and lower it will be vey interesting to see how these kids/generation turns out. I don't like to think too much about the people who are in power because they are all about power and oil. You 'can' be huge in the music biz without any hard work - unless breast enhancement surgery or blowing a record company exec can be classed as hard work. I think that those are the exceptions. However, the big question is why would anyone want to 'make it' in the music biz? I've never met anyone who was measureably happier as a 'star' than before, and I've met a lot who were distinctly uncomfortable - it's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that turns out to be a dung-heap. Your own loftier and more spiritual aims seem to be a much more enlightened and healthy path to pursue, and I hope and pray that you manage to sell a shed-load of records along the way... :o) If you can make it on your own terms it could be worth it but for the most part I think it would be a rather difficult challenge and not at all what you expected it to be. I gave up the unconscious dream of making it big time to just being able to make a living with my art, bringing more joy into people's life and growing as an artist. Thank you for your kind words. -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 12:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15181; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:31:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:31:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: call for submissions: OLD REPUBLICANS LOOPING FESTIVAL Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:26:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I mind these terrible things, so I'm getting wasted From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 12:35:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15590; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:35:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:35:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:54:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20021002101958.00907ca0@mail.airmail.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think music expresses more than just emotion. I believe we have multiple aspects to ourselves as spiritual beings incarnated in a human body....phyiscal, emotional, mental and spiritual. To me music is an expression of the Divine Sound Current which flows out of heart of God. It can touch us on all these different levels and it depends on the state of consciousness of the artist/vehicle. I do agree the most common emotion expressed in Rock 'N Roll is anger these days. -Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:20 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future Music is an expression of emotion. Anger is an emotion. There is a lot of anger out there. Most of time, it's called "rock and roll." M... At 03:34 AM 10/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >At the risk of getting the wrath of the anti-Eminem folks... >I've come to my own personal revelation that anyone who makes it in the >music business >doesn't suck, they have each worked hard in their own way to refine their >God given talents and their karma and hard work has put them there. I think >it's a matter of taste and not a judgment on whether a particular artist can >play or not. > >I do believe the Sound Current (Music) has such a powerful impact on all of >life and think it's unfortunate that artists use it unconsciously to express >their anger and rage and the lowest common denominators in life which breeds >more of the same (the recent episode at Woodstock would be an example) but >so goes life in the current Kali-Yuga (Iron Age). At least we have the so >called "freedom" to express ourselves in our glorious US of A! (and those >freedoms maybe slipping through our hands) > >We all make our own beds and have to sleep in them.... >sweet dreams beautiful brothers and sisters of the Loop! > >In Spirit, >ARTHUR LEE >www.arthurleemusic.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] >Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:36 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future > > >Hey, Vanilla Ice is my favorite artist! Well, besides Burl Haggard. > >M.. > > >At 02:33 PM 10/1/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >> >> >>> Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was >off. >>(OH, >>> LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) >> >>Aww come on - they looked so cute together. Besides, Elton John isn't >>homophobic. >> >>> Frankly, my best >>> opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our >>culture. >>> But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking about >>his >>> "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd >>rather just >>> hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla >>Ice. >>> >> >>Are you refering to the "white men can't rap" section, or the 'white men, >>can't rap" section? >> >>Put me in the 'what's the big deal with Slim Whiney' category. And no, I do >>like plenty of other hiphop. >> >>bIz >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 13:13:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20903; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093753.03ed0f58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:12:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) In-Reply-To: <20021001211828.12362.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 02:18 PM 10/1/2002, Bret wrote: >Kim, >Mea culpa, father Kim. Forgive me. ok, you are forgiven for the whole fragmenting thing. But not for calling me "father kim". >I did not mean to fragment the looping community, but simply to share >music files. It is great to talk about music and looping, but hearing >examples is better yet, for me. yes, I think that would be a great feature to add to the LD site. Who can help put something like that together? >The theremin list I belong to used >Yahoo groups for temporary sharing of theremin recordings, and that >seemed to work well until a better server was established. MP3.com >takes too long to approve new music to make it useful. I hate the idea of using those commercial operations to do stuff like this. You have to subjugate yourself to whatever rules they decide to impose, and you are at the mercy of their horrible reliability and service. At any moment they may decide it doesn't fit their business plan anymore and delete the whole thing. I much prefer the DIY route. >Looper's delight did not have an area to post music, so I used yahoo >groups as a location. Sorry, I did not think to ask if you would add >such a section. Yes, and that is my point. People should be thinking that way! If this is a home for the looping community, then people here should be considering the opportunities they may have to improve it. Be an active participant in the community, not just a passive viewer. And it also means more than just asking for a feature. If you really want to see it happen, help do some of the work! >Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought this idea was >discussed in past years and there was some space constraint on the ld >server. Long ago, that would have been true, but we moved to a new server a few years ago so there is much more disk space. There are still limits of course. I don't think it would make sense as a place for everybody to upload all their music and flog their albums. You can get your own site for that. But it would be great to have a place where people can upload examples of different ideas and concepts. >What needs to happen in order to add an area to loopers delight to >allow uploading and sharing of music files? If that can be done, then >I will use LD to post loop music, delete the yahoo group loopmusic, and >once again we will be defragmented and harmony can return :-) What needs to happen is we need to decide what such a section on LD would do, and how it might work. What would you like it to do? Probably it would be restricted in some way such that only people subscribed to the list can upload a file, but anybody can download it. What else? And then we need to find somebody who can help with any programming or set up to make it become real. Probably there are already open source scripts out there that already do what we would want, or perhaps just need a little modification. Or maybe somebody would want to build it all from scratch. Is anybody interested in volunteering to help put this together? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 13:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23387; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:40:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:40:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20021002124001.0084a9d0@mail.airmail.net> X-Sender: mcl451@mail.airmail.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:40:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Clark Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.20021002101958.00907ca0@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:54 AM 10/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >I think music expresses more than just emotion. I believe we have multiple >aspects to ourselves as spiritual beings incarnated in a human >body....phyiscal, emotional, mental and spiritual. >To me music is an expression of the Divine Sound Current which flows out of >heart of God. >It can touch us on all these different levels and it depends on the state of >consciousness of the artist/vehicle. > >I do agree the most common emotion expressed in Rock 'N Roll is anger these >days. I didn't say that. M... > >-Arthur Lee >www.arthurleemusic.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] >Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:20 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: Eminems success / labels future > > >Music is an expression of emotion. Anger is an emotion. There is a lot of >anger out there. Most of time, it's called "rock and roll." > >M... > > >At 03:34 AM 10/2/02 -0500, you wrote: >>At the risk of getting the wrath of the anti-Eminem folks... >>I've come to my own personal revelation that anyone who makes it in the >>music business >>doesn't suck, they have each worked hard in their own way to refine their >>God given talents and their karma and hard work has put them there. I think >>it's a matter of taste and not a judgment on whether a particular artist >can >>play or not. >> >>I do believe the Sound Current (Music) has such a powerful impact on all of >>life and think it's unfortunate that artists use it unconsciously to >express >>their anger and rage and the lowest common denominators in life which >breeds >>more of the same (the recent episode at Woodstock would be an example) but >>so goes life in the current Kali-Yuga (Iron Age). At least we have the so >>called "freedom" to express ourselves in our glorious US of A! (and those >>freedoms maybe slipping through our hands) >> >>We all make our own beds and have to sleep in them.... >>sweet dreams beautiful brothers and sisters of the Loop! >> >>In Spirit, >>ARTHUR LEE >>www.arthurleemusic.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Michael Clark [mailto:mcl451@airmail.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:36 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future >> >> >>Hey, Vanilla Ice is my favorite artist! Well, besides Burl Haggard. >> >>M.. >> >> >>At 02:33 PM 10/1/02 -0700, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Perhaps it was my gagging that distracted me and made me think he was >>off. >>>(OH, >>>> LOOK AT ME! I'M PERFORMING WITH A GAY! I'M NO HOMOPHOBE!) >>> >>>Aww come on - they looked so cute together. Besides, Elton John isn't >>>homophobic. >>> >>>> Frankly, my best >>>> opinion of him is that he's a worthless piece of shit clogging up our >>>culture. >>>> But I mean that in a good way. Can we change the subject? Talking >about >>>his >>>> "music" is akin to talking about Hitler's paintings in my world. I'd >>>rather just >>>> hope that history forgets Eminem and stores him in a bin next to Vanilla >>>Ice. >>>> >>> >>>Are you refering to the "white men can't rap" section, or the 'white men, >>>can't rap" section? >>> >>>Put me in the 'what's the big deal with Slim Whiney' category. And no, I >do >>>like plenty of other hiphop. >>> >>>bIz >>> >>> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 13:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23689; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:44:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 13:44:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021002174403.30804.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:44:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093753.03ed0f58@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I should have said 'mister Flint, my baseball is in your yard again, if I come get it are you gonna yell at me and hit me with your stick?' your neighbor kid (who doesn't mean harm, but does it from time to time), bret --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 02:18 PM 10/1/2002, Bret wrote: > ok, you are forgiven for the whole fragmenting thing. But not for > calling > me "father kim". __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 16:48:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06530; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:47:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:47:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c26a55$331e8dc0$f04a4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DE21@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> <1033591365.3d9b5a454ca15@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: MPX-G2 question Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:49:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone on the list know if it's possible to 'unlock' the preset patches on the G2 and overwrite them? I'm getting pretty close to filling all the user spaces, and haven't explored all that there is to explore for me and my music as yet... cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 16:48:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06155; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:43:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:43:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: digitech 7.6 mod | questions Message-ID: <1033591365.3d9b5a454ca15@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DE21@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> In-Reply-To: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DE21@MAIL1.icc.state.il.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: adam [mailto:submersible@worldnet.att.net] > has anyone on the list performed the delay mod on the digitech 7.6 > time machine. I'm curious to get some feedback (!) on the results... indeed i have. there are two trimmers to tweak. the first is delay bias, the second is feedback gain. they're described on the Looper's Delight site. i won't bother to regurgitate, you should read Kim's site first. but let me add a few things. i have done this to both the 7.6 and the 8000, and both times i left the units on while tweaking them. it's important to be testing them while you tweak. leave the feedback all the way up, and the delay all the way down when you're adjusting feedback. reverse for adjusting delay bias. on the 7.6, you can max out the time to around 40 seconds. this brings the effective sampling rate down into 4k-7k range. the Nyquihst filter on the 7.6 does NOT track the sampling rate accurately if you "mod" it. so, you get BUTT- CLENCHING ALIASING MEYHEM. i think it sounds cool as hell. however, i wanted to go back to cleaner looping, so i sold one and gave the other away. i gave the 8000 to a ska/blues guitarist friend of mine who recently fell in love with david torn. he thinks the modified RDS is cool as hell too :) Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 19:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21893; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:48:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:48:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000a01c26a6f$4b970de0$9e050843@cfl.rr.com> From: "Jehn" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:56:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26A4D.C29EAC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26A4D.C29EAC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26A4D.C29EAC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26A4D.C29EAC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 20:27:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25342; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:26:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:26:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c26a73$fecb12e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093753.03ed0f58@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:29:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim Check your email. I'm volunteering, but my development skills (and the code set that I have to leverage) is all .ASP. Does the server support .ASP? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) > At 02:18 PM 10/1/2002, Bret wrote: > >Kim, > >Mea culpa, father Kim. Forgive me. > > ok, you are forgiven for the whole fragmenting thing. But not for calling > me "father kim". > > >I did not mean to fragment the looping community, but simply to share > >music files. It is great to talk about music and looping, but hearing > >examples is better yet, for me. > > yes, I think that would be a great feature to add to the LD site. Who can > help put something like that together? > > >The theremin list I belong to used > >Yahoo groups for temporary sharing of theremin recordings, and that > >seemed to work well until a better server was established. MP3.com > >takes too long to approve new music to make it useful. > > I hate the idea of using those commercial operations to do stuff like this. > You have to subjugate yourself to whatever rules they decide to impose, and > you are at the mercy of their horrible reliability and service. At any > moment they may decide it doesn't fit their business plan anymore and > delete the whole thing. I much prefer the DIY route. > > > >Looper's delight did not have an area to post music, so I used yahoo > >groups as a location. Sorry, I did not think to ask if you would add > >such a section. > > Yes, and that is my point. People should be thinking that way! If this is a > home for the looping community, then people here should be considering the > opportunities they may have to improve it. Be an active participant in the > community, not just a passive viewer. > > And it also means more than just asking for a feature. If you really want > to see it happen, help do some of the work! > > > >Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought this idea was > >discussed in past years and there was some space constraint on the ld > >server. > > Long ago, that would have been true, but we moved to a new server a few > years ago so there is much more disk space. There are still limits of > course. I don't think it would make sense as a place for everybody to > upload all their music and flog their albums. You can get your own site for > that. But it would be great to have a place where people can upload > examples of different ideas and concepts. > > >What needs to happen in order to add an area to loopers delight to > >allow uploading and sharing of music files? If that can be done, then > >I will use LD to post loop music, delete the yahoo group loopmusic, and > >once again we will be defragmented and harmony can return :-) > > What needs to happen is we need to decide what such a section on LD would > do, and how it might work. What would you like it to do? Probably it would > be restricted in some way such that only people subscribed to the list can > upload a file, but anybody can download it. What else? > > And then we need to find somebody who can help with any programming or set > up to make it become real. Probably there are already open source scripts > out there that already do what we would want, or perhaps just need a little > modification. Or maybe somebody would want to build it all from scratch. Is > anybody interested in volunteering to help put this together? > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 20:51:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22113; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:50:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:50:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021002234955.82492.qmail@web40514.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:49:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: why would anyone want... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021002152532.60048.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For me being rich is to wake up, do what you want and get somebody to pay you for it! peace Louie > > However, the big question is why would anyone want > to 'make it' in the music > > biz? I've never met anyone who was measureably > happier as a 'star' than > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 21:37:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31445; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:33:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:33:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002182856.03983480@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:33:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) In-Reply-To: <004101c26a73$fecb12e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093753.03ed0f58@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow, great! but we run on a linux server, and ASP is only for NT servers, right? So maybe that won't work out. PHP we can do. Do you know anything about that? kim At 05:29 PM 10/2/2002, Doug Cox wrote: >Kim > >Check your email. I'm volunteering, but my development skills (and the code >set that I have to leverage) is all .ASP. > >Does the server support .ASP? > >Doug ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 22:02:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01690; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:01:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:01:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: OT? Kyma demos/concerts Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <67622274-D59D-11D6-A40E-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Possibly OT, but possibly of interest to some LD members, the Kyma folks are on a short UK/European demo tour. Looks like they'll have a Continuum Fingerboard with them. The following announcement is from their newletter. Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- eighth nerve || News from Kyma Users ||2002.09.24 archive: http://www.symbolicsound.com/eighth-news.html UK Kyma workshop, lectures, concerts Software and hardware developers from Symbolic Sound Corporation, Carla Scaletti and Kurt J. Hebel, will be presenting several lecture/demonstrations and concerts in the UK and France in early October 2002. They will also be demonstrating how a new controller - the Continuum Fingerboard, developed by Lippold Haken (http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Continuum/) - can be used to control Kyma synthesis and processing algorithms in live performance. Events include a full day workshop in London (Ealing), a lecture and concert in Keele (Stoke on Trent) and a lecture and concert at De Montfort University in Leicester. For full details, please see (http://www.symbolicsound.com/press-Europe2002.html). We look forward to having an opportunity to meet with you there! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 22:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02935; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:19:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:19:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D87C4450000DDAD@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "the capability to trigger an event on button-press and another evemt on > button-release" > > Where an 'event' might be a single midi message, or a series of > midi messages. > > Just a thought... :) Yes! I never understood why the capability to send multiple messages was left out of nearly all MIDI pedals. It's only a little bit more programming... Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 22:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03220; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c26a84$0cf056e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021001104341.03a0f008@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093753.03ed0f58@loopers-delight.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20021002182856.03983480@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:24:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, ASP is for NT/Windows 2000 servers. Yes, I know a bit of PHP and even Perl (not as well as ASP, but what the hell). Don't have any of my own code to leverage, but there are a LOT of PHP and Perl resources on the net, where we can find some source code to start from, or just drop in as-is. Is it too far off topic to start a discussion of the basic wants/needs of the group? Please recognize - I can't promise that I'll deliver all (or any!) of what's discussed, but it might make sense to have *some* discussion before we head off into the weeds. To steer this a bit, I wonder which of the following features might be important to LD'ers: 1) administrator defined "areas" for files 2) the ability for users to rank and/or comment on files 3) download counter statistics 4) user control over modification/deletion of files they've uploaded to the site 5) searching for files by various criteria (new, size, description, etc) 6) sorting and other fancy display techniques 7) other stuff? Or, are LD'ers content to start with a simple, single-area, non-sorted, non-searchable list? I'm concerned that if we do that, and it grows unmanagable, we'll want to port to something fancy like the stuff listed above. And for you, Kim: I assume you want a very low maintenance system from the administrator's persepctive? Any general statement on what kind of administrative tasks are reasonable for you to take care of? Do you want to connect the subscription to the Loopers-Delight list to the ability to upload to the site? If so, does the LD list maintain a file of subscribed email addresses on the server, that the file management interface can get to for authentication? This is where it might get hairy... so I'll ask... is it reasonable to disconnect these two things, and let non-subscribers register for file management separately? Maybe you want to take some or all of this offline, so I'll stop there. Any input on the LD'ers questions is appreciated, either on or off list. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) > wow, great! but we run on a linux server, and ASP is only for NT servers, > right? So maybe that won't work out. PHP we can do. Do you know anything > about that? > kim > > At 05:29 PM 10/2/2002, Doug Cox wrote: > >Kim > > > >Check your email. I'm volunteering, but my development skills (and the code > >set that I have to leverage) is all .ASP. > > > >Does the server support .ASP? > > > >Doug > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 22:34:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03979; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:33:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:33:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:32:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <67622274-D59D-11D6-A40E-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd love something that was modular in design, whereby you connect > everything together how you want. > . . . > But then I'm dreaming..... :-) Now yer talkin'! I agree with the modular design. You probably would not need a very fast CPU and USB may be overkill, but USB is certainly, well, universal. Some type of easily customizable MIDI processing is essential for the high-end users. There are certainly lots of languages for a starting point. It could be based on something like "Max-lite," "PureData-lite" (ImpureData?), KeyKit, Zel, or a number of variations. What's nice about a modular apporach is that you could start out with a basic "brainless" system and grow it as you need it. And why do we struggle to program the current MIDI pedals like we do when nearly everybody has a PC or Mac available? Dreaming is good thing! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 22:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04836; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:50:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002182856.03983480@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim - what was the origin of this question? Is he asking if the e-mail server works with this kind of e-mail? E-mail with embedded "asp"? -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) wow, great! but we run on a linux server, and ASP is only for NT servers, right? So maybe that won't work out. PHP we can do. Do you know anything about that? kim At 05:29 PM 10/2/2002, Doug Cox wrote: >Kim > >Check your email. I'm volunteering, but my development skills (and the code >set that I have to leverage) is all .ASP. > >Does the server support .ASP? > >Doug ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 22:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05217; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c26a88$d18bece0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:58:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You talk about me as if I'm not here. Try reading the archives? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: RE: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) > Kim - what was the origin of this question? Is he asking if the e-mail > server works with this kind of e-mail? E-mail with embedded "asp"? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: What Looper's Delight is (was Re: hardware sequencers) > > wow, great! but we run on a linux server, and ASP is only for NT servers, > right? So maybe that won't work out. PHP we can do. Do you know anything > about that? > kim > > At 05:29 PM 10/2/2002, Doug Cox wrote: > >Kim > > > >Check your email. I'm volunteering, but my development skills (and the > code > >set that I have to leverage) is all .ASP. > > > >Does the server support .ASP? > > > >Doug > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 2 23:55:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11102; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021003035427.28306.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Steve Harley And Cockney Rebel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210011939.PAA13367@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> I didn't realize Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel were around long enough to do a live album. ;-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 00:31:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA13899; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:27:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:27:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021003042716.61726.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Will Reply-To: will@luktown.org Subject: Audio Clips on LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210030137.VAA31643@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What needs to happen is we need to decide what such a section on LD would > do, and how it might work. What would you like it to do? Probably it would > be restricted in some way such that only people subscribed to the list can > upload a file, but anybody can download it. What else? > This is all exciting. I hope you wont limit the section to audio clips that show examples of ideas and concepts. That's a great reason to post but just sharing music is reason enough imho. Speaking of asking for features and not helping, I'd like to ask fer one that I have no way to help with... If you have the bandwidth could a Shoutcast stream be made of the songs uploaded? I'd be willing to donate some space if it'll help. FYI, http://smartconsumers.infinology.com/bas_host.htm offers 9gig of space for <100$ per year. They also have extremely generous bandwidth allotments. Loopy, will ===== ----------- http://www.luktown.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 01:00:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16107; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:57:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:57:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:41:00 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist Sunday 10.6.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, on Sunday with a varied cast of characters, including (I'm not 100% sure of the personnel) Elio DeLuca Guitar and Loops Jorrit Dykstra Lyricon and Loops Ken Field, Reeds Dan Blake, reeds donation $10 or less (I'm not sure what will be asked) @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows 8 pm all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 05:00:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA32378; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:56:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:56:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 04:55:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Elio DeLuca Subject: a.i.m. > Dr. T & Elio DeLuca > Sunday 10/6 @ Zeitgeist X-X-Sender: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com An addendum to Dr. T's earlier post. Hope to see you all there! a.i.m. > presents > the sketchpad > zeitgeist gallery, cambridge Sunday, October 6th, 2002, 8:00 PM Dr. T -- visuals Elio DeLuca -- two-string guitar, loops Ken Field -- alto saxophone Jorrit Dykstra -- lyricon, loops Dan Blake -- tenor saxophone Dan Soltzberg -- bass, loops Zeitgeist Gallery 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge (69 Bus from Harvard Gate) 617-876-6060 zeitgeist-gallery.org 8:00 PM / $6 at the door a.i.m. is pleased to present a special appearance by Boston's legendary ambient video artist Dr. T, this Sunday at the new Zeitgeist Gallery. The evening will begin with an improvisational duo performance between Dr. T. and loop-musician Elio DeLuca. The second half of the evening will feature a live multi-media improvisation by the ensemble, with Ken Field, Jorrit Dykstra, Dan Blake, Dan Soltzberg, and perhaps others.... Dr. T performs live mixing of straight and computer processed images derived from video footage and photography. The mix is improvised in response to the phrasing of the music being played. The imagery can range from simple images of flowing water or people walking, to complex multi-layered and colored composites, and trancey abstracts which reveal only traces of their original sources. Elio DeLuca is a musician/composer in a variety of styles. His two-string guitar work, based almost entirely on the creation of ambient loops, utilizes the instrument as a sound-source for the production of noise, texture, and ambiance through such familiar means as feedback, distortion, and phase processing. His influences include Debussy, Jimi Hendrix, Javanese Gamelan music, kitchen appliances, and the sound of empty rooms while on drugs. a.i.m. (advanced idea mechanics), launched in 2002, is a freeform collective dedicated to the advancement of fringe independent music, and the deconstruction of the stagnant commercial mainstream. a.i.m. functions as a subsidiary of local independent label Telepathy Records, both overseen by Elio DeLuca. a.i.m. curates "the sketchpad" concert series, which highlights artists from a wide variety of marginalized sonic art forms, including noise, loop, ambient, IDM, free improv, and sonic dance. Having produced events at the old Zeitgeist Gallery, as well as other locations in greater Boston, a.i.m. is proud to return the sketchpad to its rightful home at the new Zeitgeist, on the first Sunday of every month. http://aim.telepathyrecords.com Peace! +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Telepathy Records (617) 504-8278 P.O. Box 230484 info@telepathyrecords.com Boston, MA 02123 www.telepathyrecords.com To subscribe to our list write to +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 08:12:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13840; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:08:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:08:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021003043834.00a97020@martina.pobox.stanford.edu> X-Sender: martina@martina.pobox.stanford.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 05:02:30 -0700 To: mheasley@stanfordmed.org From: Tom Heasley Subject: Greetings from the Anger Management Tour Cc: ambienttuba@earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_12405221==_.ALT" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --=====================_12405221==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed TOM HEASLEY ambient tuba Greetings from THE ANGER MANAGEMENT TOUR > NEW! Visit my website: tomheasley.com background, schedule, reviews, sound clips and cds > Arts Center, Troy, NY, Thursday eve, 10/3/02 beautiful building, beautiful music ir-music.com > Kalvos & Damian New Music Bazaar Sunday, 10/5/02 2:30 to 4:30 PM (EST) live On The Web! AT kalvos.org * Knitting Factory, NYC 10/9/02 knittingfactory.com * Roulette, NYC 10/12/02 roulette.org * John Schaefer's New Sounds, WNYC 10/16/02 wnyc.org * CBGB's 313 Gallery, NYC 10/17/02 cbgb.com * Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge, MA 10/19/02 zeitgeist-gallery.org Tom Heasley ON THE ROAD AGAIN THROUGH OCT 25, 2002: CELL: 650-468-7430 E-MAIL: ambienttuba@earthlink.net HOME: 650-322-3633 VISIT MY NEW WEBSITE: tomheasley.com --=====================_12405221==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" TOM HEASLEY
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  Arts Center, Troy, NY, Thursday eve, 10/3/02 
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Sunday, 10/5/02  2:30 to 4:30 PM (EST)     
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*  Knitting Factory, NYC                10/9/02
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*  Roulette, NYC                        10/12/02
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*  John Schaefer's New Sounds, WNYC  10/16/02
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*  CBGB's 313 Gallery, NYC               10/17/02
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*  Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge, MA    10/19/02                        
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Tom Heasley

ON THE ROAD AGAIN THROUGH OCT 25, 2002:
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--=====================_12405221==_.ALT-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 09:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19535; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:28:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:28:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006e01c26ae0$874bb720$9c444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: New Steve Lawson album, available for order now! Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:26:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, my new album, 'not dancing for chicken', is finished, and will be released at the end of the month. There are soem MP3 snippets on my site now, and you can advance-order it if you like. If you do, you'll also get a very limited edition extra CD, called 'Lessons Learned From An Aged Feline Pt 1' - which is also over an hour long. I had some much good material from the sessions for this album, that I had to get it out somehow. UK postal ordering is available now, CC ordering worldwide will be up very early next week. Let me know what you think cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 10:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26164; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:38:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:38:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 Sender: hans@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3D9C5625.436EB34@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 07:37:25 -0700 From: Engineering Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Armatronix@ernieball.com Subject: Whoolilicious & Armatronix @ Sweet Springs Saloon, Los Osos 10-12-02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Friends, Sorry it's been so long since I've sent out a gig announcement. I hope you're doing well, and that you had a good summer. I'm pleased to announce that Armatronix will be playing with Whoolilicious at Sweet Springs Saloon on Saturday, October 12th. Here's a link to the flyer: http://www.armatronix.com In case you don't know, Whoolilicious is the solo side project of John Whooley of Estradasphere and Santa Cruz Hemp All-Stars fame. John is an amazing human beat box, throat singer, saxophonist, and just an all-around nice guy. For those of you in the L.A. area, he'll be playing at the Knitting Factory on Friday night, October 11th. Check out his website: http://www.estradasphere.com/john/ The show will start promptly around 9:30, so please come early. You won't want to miss this one. This show will be 21+ only, $4 cover. Please check out some old and new Armatronix sounds at: http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/armatronix/ Hope to see you there, -Hans P.S. If you're sick of these announcements and you'd like to be removed from this mailing list, or if you'd like to say "Hello," please send a note to: hans@ernieball.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 11:07:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29954; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:04:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:04:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:05:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wahey! After my support tour with The 21st Century Schizoid Band, I've now been booked for 22 dates in the UK opening solo for Level 42! The dates are all up on my website, and start on October 18th - please come along and say hi - bass looping goes mainstream... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (tour and CD news here) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 11:27:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31483; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:26:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:26:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:25:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c26af1$18be9140$6e07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve Lawson wrote: Wahey! After my support tour with The 21st Century Schizoid Band, I've now been booked for 22 dates in the UK opening solo for Level 42! The dates are all up on my website, and start on October 18th - please come along and say hi - bass looping goes mainstream... :o) --This is terrific news! Will you be using the Echoplex? Congratulations! Bring the tour to America! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 11:37:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00525; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:37:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:37:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <015201c26af2$f1d9ae00$9c444ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000201c26af1$18be9140$6e07f843@gary> Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:38:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Steve Lawson wrote: > Wahey! After my support tour with The 21st Century Schizoid Band, I've now > been booked for 22 dates in the UK opening solo for Level 42! The dates are > all up on my website, and start on October 18th - please come along and say > hi - bass looping goes mainstream... :o) > --This is terrific news! Will you be using the Echoplex? > Congratulations! Bring the tour to America! I'll hopefully be using at least two Echoplexes... :o) If they tour the states, and I'm asked, I'm there! LOL Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 13:25:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13678; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:21:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:21:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c26b00$f8923a60$fe50e150@optiplex> Reply-To: "Matthew Wilson" From: "Matthew Wilson" To: References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:18:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve Wow! that's sooo cool! first the UK, next the world eh ! very pleased for you! See you soon Matthew p.s. the download link on your site for Danny & Mo from the new CD doesn't seem to work From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 13:31:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14949; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:27:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:27:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c26b02$745613a0$5e484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> <001501c26b00$f8923a60$fe50e150@optiplex> Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:29:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Steve > Wow! that's sooo cool! first the UK, next the world eh ! > very pleased for you! Thanks, Matthew - good to see you at the LGF gig! > p.s. the download link on your site for Danny & Mo from the new CD doesn't > seem to work fixed! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 13:37:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16493; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <104.1c93da3b.2acdd9d0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:35:12 EDT Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. Steve, Your musical brilliance warrants a much wider audience. It's starting to look like you're gonna get it too. Congratulations! Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 13:56:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19643; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:53:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:53:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:51:50 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01dc01c26b05$8efaba00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> <001501c26b00$f8923a60$fe50e150@optiplex> <003a01c26b02$745613a0$5e484ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: <_Jxf5B.A.-xE.7PIn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > > Hi Steve > > Wow! that's sooo cool! first the UK, next the world eh laugh>! > > very pleased for you! > > Thanks, Matthew - good to see you at the LGF gig! > > > p.s. the download link on your site for Danny & Mo from the new CD doesn't > > seem to work > > fixed! > Who's the Miles Davies in your FAQ/Q & A section??? dB * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 13:57:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19758; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:53:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:53:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:59:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <_im1SB.A.xyE.VQIn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Wahey! After my support tour with The 21st Century Schizoid Band, I've now >been booked for 22 dates in the UK opening solo for Level 42! The dates are >all up on my website, and start on October 18th - please come along and say >hi - bass looping goes mainstream... :o) Man, what a cool opportunity! And potentially intimidating, as I recall, their bass player is a mofo. Best of luck! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 13:57:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20832; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c26b06$7e13d540$5e484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:58:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <0oDw6.A.YDF.OTIn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Wahey! After my support tour with The 21st Century Schizoid Band, I've now > >been booked for 22 dates in the UK opening solo for Level 42! The dates are > >all up on my website, and start on October 18th - please come along and say > >hi - bass looping goes mainstream... :o) > > Man, what a cool opportunity! And potentially intimidating, as I > recall, their bass player is a mofo. Best of luck! ...only intimidating if I was trying to be a MoFo... LOL all I got is some cool sounds and a good ear for a melody - works for me! :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 14:03:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21218; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:58:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:58:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01dc01c26b05$8efaba00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> <001501c26b00$f8923a60$fe50e150@optiplex> <003a01c26b02$745613a0$5e484ed5@bigboy> <01dc01c26b05$8efaba00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:02:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Lawson" > >> > Hi Steve >> > Wow! that's sooo cool! first the UK, next the world eh > laugh>! >> > very pleased for you! >> >> Thanks, Matthew - good to see you at the LGF gig! >> >> > p.s. the download link on your site for Danny & Mo from the new CD >doesn't >> > seem to work >> >> fixed! >> > >Who's the Miles Davies in your FAQ/Q & A section??? Ray and Dave's younger bro? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 14:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23254; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <121.17ededdb.2acde01c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:02:04 EDT Subject: Mama mia! (the latest Italian review) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA23143 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: http://utenti.lycos.it/newage_soundtracks/varie/tedkillian.htm Flux Aeterna Valutazione: **** Rarità: * Siamo in un’epoca in cui imperversano sul mercato programmi per computer e schede audio di sempre più stupefacente sofisticazione; i sintetizzatori, i campionatori, le batterie elettroniche si vendono più delle chitarre elettriche. Non v’è dubbio alcuno che ai musicisti e ai discofili relativamente consapevoli, in una dimensione squisitamente computerizzata, lo strumento senza il quale il rock non sarebbe mai esistito e che ha marchiato a fuoco l’ultimo mezzo secolo di musica, dal folk alla classica, appaia in profonda crisi. Ma così non è, poiché è proprio con la chitarra che sono state prodotte alcune fra le opere più stimolanti dei Nineties e del nuovo secolo. Una di queste è senza dubbio FLUX AETERNA di Ted Killian. È il primo album solista e il capolavoro di questo sublime chitarrista, un’opera di rock sperimentale fino all’esaurimento nervoso, in cui il "nostro" rivela il suo debito verso Robert Fripp, Brian Eno, Jimi Hendrix, David Torn, Steve Tibbetts, Uli Jon Roth, Sun Ra, tanto per citarne alcuni, amalgamando queste influenze in uno stile fatto di note dissonanti, distorte, allungate, infinite, sospese. Nasce nella California del Sud (terra in cui il rumore chitarristico cresce rigoglioso) 48 anni fa, è musicista da oltre 38, e da sempre grande sperimentatore/esploratore della chitarra elettrica. Nei tardi Eighties, comincia a suonare la sua originalissima musica nella manifestazione "The Ventura New Music Concert Series (California del Sud), coadiuvato dall’amico/collega, trombettista "avant-jazz", Jeff Kaiser (che ha anche dato il suo prezioso contributo alla realizzazione del cd), iniziando così una lunga serie di concerti attorno al suo paese natìo. In questo cd suona oltre alla chitarra elettrica, una chitarra acustica, loops, sampler, strumenti elettronici, dimostrandosi ad un tempo sia tutt’altro che estraneo alla tradizione del rock, sia in transito verso altri universi, con escursioni chitarristiche che dipanano filigrane come nuvole che annunciano un temporale. L’opener Hubble è la versione apocalittica di Star Spangled Banner, suonata da Jimi Hendrix al Woodstock Music Festival nell’estate del 1969. Leaving Medford è musica sperimentale allo stato puro, la chitarra è metallica (sembra che abbia il filo spinato al posto delle corde), dietro alla quale schizzano vetriolici noises industriali. Questo pezzo è l’espressione delle metropoli americane in decomposizione, afflitte dalla peste contemporanea che profuma di paranoia: l’alienazione. Cauterant Baptism, propulso da ripetitivi ritmi dub/hip-hop, è imperniato su arroventati quanto pirotecnici solismi di chitarra dalla dissonanza inaudita, ancora solo in nuce agli esordi del brano e pienamente in sboccio dopo circa 1:20 secondi. Last Sparrow contiene bestiali "fripperie", con forti incursioni di clangori industrial. Lugubri lamenti e percussioni junglesche (un po’ in sottovoce) caratterizzano Gravity Suspended. La midi guitar di Ted comanda dall’alto Recurvate Plaint e il chitarrismo acustico "operaio", sempre del "nostro", ne sta a debita distanza, ben consapevole che la chitarra elettrica può menare stilettate improvvise come un attacco epilettico. Convocation Solitaire è simile al precedente, ma svela strutture più ambientali a la David Torn. Anche in Nocternal Interstices, come in Last Sparrow, gli ammiccamenti a Sua Maestà Cremisi sono più che evidenti, e la chitarra "frippoide" di Killian vaga fra l’aspro/dissonante e il crepuscolare/melodico, applicando con estremo rigore le tavole della legge del dott. Fripp. Reverse Logic ha chiare reminiscenze "eno/byrneiane" (ascoltare My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts per credere), mentre la title track, che conclude l’album, è un coacervo di distorsioni fra le più viscerali e crude che si siano mai ascoltate nell’experimental music. Un cd cerebrale ed effettistico, imbevuto di nevrosi metropolitane, conteso fra astrattismi di dissonanze libere e violente sonorità elettriche, eseguito con grande classe. Ted Killian meriterebbe, a mio modesto parere, un posto all’Olimpo della musica d’avanguardia, insieme a Bob Fripp, Adrian Belew, David Torn, grazie ai suoi spericolati innesti di stilemi rock, loops frippoidi e noises industrial. Demetrio Cutrupi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 14:06:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21183; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007801c26b06$af712980$5e484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> <001501c26b00$f8923a60$fe50e150@optiplex> <003a01c26b02$745613a0$5e484ed5@bigboy> <01dc01c26b05$8efaba00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Steve Lawson to tour with Level 42 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:59:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Who's the Miles Davies in your FAQ/Q & A section??? > > > dB LOL - he's a spoons player from Bradford - used to be in a duo with Eric Clapton, but quit to invent death metal in about 1943. very ahead of his time... :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 14:44:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27812; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:43:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:43:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021003002355.02814f38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:43:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Audio Clips on LD In-Reply-To: <20021003042716.61726.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200210030137.VAA31643@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:27 PM 10/2/2002, Will wrote: > > What needs to happen is we need to decide what such a section on LD >would > > do, and how it might work. What would you like it to do? Probably it >would > > be restricted in some way such that only people subscribed to the >list can > > upload a file, but anybody can download it. What else? > > > >This is all exciting. I hope you wont limit the section to audio clips >that show examples of ideas and concepts. That's a great reason to >post but just sharing music is reason enough imho. I don't see the point of it, people can put their music on their own sites and provide a link on LD. We already do that with the very popular user profiles: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi (the profiles section could use some revamping btw, that is another project.) What is sorely missing are audio samples that help explain what looping is all about, teach various techniques, provide examples for discussion, etc. Having a good central place for such things would be nice, and being available to people on the mailing list to upload for illustrating a discussion is even better. This is really more in keeping with the point of LD, imo. >Speaking of asking >for features and not helping, I'd like to ask fer one that I have no >way to help with... If you have the bandwidth could a Shoutcast stream >be made of the songs uploaded? Bandwidth isn't free for anybody, and that uses a *lot* of bandwidth. Unless a whole bunch of you are planning to send me large amounts of money on a regular basis, this isn't likely to happen. I already lose enough money every year because of LD. I'm not looking for ways to lose more.... at some point somebody was going to set up a looper's delight station on live365 or someplace like that. whatever happened to that? Did it die from lack of interest? If some volunteers were willing to commit themselves to really making something like that work, it could be pretty nice. It won't work though if the station just gets set up and abandoned. >I'd be willing to donate some space if it'll help. FYI, >http://smartconsumers.infinology.com/bas_host.htm offers 9gig of space >for <100$ per year. They also have extremely generous bandwidth >allotments. thanks, that seems like a nice deal, but I've got web hosting figured out already. I'm looking for helpers, not disk space.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 15:08:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31649; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:03:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:03:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778AC@Entcoexch15> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Q involving using Boss FV-50L as EDP feedback pedal. Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:02:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11824CFF3072018-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_PJS1C.A.3tH.9QJn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi- I'm having problems getting said pedal to work as my feedback pedal on my EDP. I have read in the archives that it does work, and should work well, so i might be missing something. I'm running the latest EDP software. As i connect or disconnect the FV-50L, the feedback reading of 127 shows briefly and then, goes away. However, any operation of the pedal does not cause the EDP to blink or anything. It seems to know that a pedal has been connected, because the feedback knob is disabled, but nothing happens. Well, one time something happened. The feedback indicator came up with '127', but the '7' kept blinking back and forth between a '7' and a '0' while the loop faded out. While it faded the audio in the loop at the time gradually got mangled. I also tried the Roland EV-5 expression pedal. This worked better, but with either heel up or heel down feedback went to zero. In the exact middle of the pedal, i got a feedback reading of 89 at the absolute middle. The feedback level declined either way i rocked the pedal. In short, its maybe a sublety with the FV-50L that i don't understand, not a problem with the EDP itself, but i'd appreciate anyone's insight! cheers, jim. James Lanpheer Database Administrator National Access System Phone: 303.267.5175 Email: lanpheer.james.a@broadband.att.com <<...OLE_Obj...>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 15:17:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32451; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:13:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:13:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 4520D425-5A30-451F-8662-E5DDF307F3B1 Message-ID: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778AD@Entcoexch15> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: EDP multiply question Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:12:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11824A71131873-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello- A question about using multiply with the new software. I've been messing with the parameters and such, and have created a situation in my EDP, where i press 'Multiply' and rather than having it 'Multiply', it rests with the '000' on the LED like its waiting for an audio signal. The loop then plays another time and stops. The first time this happened unexpectedly, it killed a nice loop (bummer), but i can't find what parameter is driving this behavior. It looks like 'SamplerStyle' behavior somewhat, but i don't know. Anyone experienced this who can help? cheers, jim. James Lanpheer Database Administrator National Access System Phone: 303.267.5175 Email: lanpheer.james.a@broadband.att.com <<...OLE_Obj...>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 15:59:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03994; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:58:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:58:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021002152532.60048.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021002152532.60048.qmail@web21306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:57:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Eminems success / labels future Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >> Your own >> loftier and more spiritual aims seem to be a much more enlightened and >> healthy path to pursue, and I hope and pray that you manage to sell a >> shed-load of records along the way... :o) > >Yeah, I agree. At least enough sales that you can continue doing >what you love. >That's important. > >Greg Right! thats why I brought up this subject. I did not want to talk about Eminem but about the new market structure after the big stars sell less due to free distribution. Here in Brasil the problem is not so much the MP3 thing but the CD-R copies that you can buy on every market for arround $ 1.50! So I was hoping that small labels like the ones most of us create or work for have a better chance to maintain some sales, since our CDs are not available for free easily. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 15:59:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03930; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:57:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:57:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <200209290440.AAA22443@hemlock.violacea.com> <008901c26783$9d665020$3862f93f@global> <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:57:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: WATER MUSIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com UAKTI, a really good brasilian band known for creating their own instruments and having done things with Phil Glass created a nice and simple water instrument: A tank on top of a doubble tube (telescope like). The water from the tank drops (single drops or current) into the inner tube where the resonance of the tube is activated. I dont quite remember where the water goes from there, or how they avoid the tube to fill up. The outer tube can be moved to change pitch. What you hear is pitched water sound. >this isn't exactly water music, but here it is anyway: > >i studied a bit with a performance artist named jim pomeroy (aka blind snake) >who did a peace called "is there sound in a vacuum?" >for part of it, he used a device he had made with two large tubes >(~8ft long, ~2inch diameter) >placed vertically and connected at the bottom through a water pump. >they were open at the top and he had fastened the hoses of >two vacuum cleaners to blow across the top. this caused two quite loud >sounds that were almost sine waves. then he pumped water slowly from one tube >to the other so that one pitch moved up while the other moved down. >the interference between them was pretty interesting... > >all the while he would ask in exagerated mock quandery, "is there >sound in a vacuum?" -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 16:00:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04004; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:58:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:58:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021001180555.22079.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021001180555.22079.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:57:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Piezo mics Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <12XEU.A.S-.NFKn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The piezo mic is two thin layers of metal, with a layer >of ceramic between. Typically 1 to 2 centimeters in diameter, >and less than a millimeter thick. When the element flexes, >a tiny amount of electricity is generated. they react on pressure in the first place. In a lighter, you press on them and the resulting voltage is so hight that a spark results. >A pre-amp is >needed. the impedance depends on size. Its always bigger for low frequencies, so a small element for full range needs about 2Megohm input impedance. If you have a big element and/or dont need the low frequencies, it can be much lower. >As far as I know, they work best on large, flat surfaces >that resonate with the sound. between an activator and the base they work even better. >The prime example is the front of an accoustic guitar. better example is the bridge, between string and body. You can get several volts there. >A flute probably won't work. yes, air movement is not enough, it takes a vibrating hard material. The tube of a flute vibrates but maybe not enough. > >However, what is so cool about them is that they are cheap >if you make your own, which is pretty easy. Buy the bare >element, or disassemble a Radio Shack buzzer, attach the >wires, and you've only spent a couple bucks. Stick it to your >instrument and see what happens. Try different spots, and >wire two together for fun. I plan to embed a couple >inside a hollow body kalimba I'm building. > > >I originally found via Google some long posts from an >guitar discussion group on the topic, but much instruction >isn't needed because it is so easy. > >Yours in rhythm, >Steve -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 16:02:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03927; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:57:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:57:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:57:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: was / CE EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <69hXID.A.b8.BEKn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I mentioned that the CE version of the EDP+ should be available in December in Europa. Its only different from the original EDP in RF radiation (and due to the Loop IV soft and different front color). We hope it will be a little better in noise, but it does not seem so, yet. The main thing is that it passes the CE standard for electric equipment and thus can be sold in Europe. >Matthias, this is good news... > >Any idea how much the CE EDP will be going for ? no, sorry >Is it going to be called EDP plus and does it come w/ Loop IV ? yes! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 16:18:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07918; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:18:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:18:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3D9CA241.1D5C20E5@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 13:02:10 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Plus (was / CE EDP) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, Matthias Grob wrote: > I mentioned that the CE version of the EDP+ should be available in > December in Europa. Just to clarify: is the EDP Plus going to be sold in America as well, or is it a Europe-only deal? Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 16:52:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10372; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:50:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:50:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200210031649.AA227475672@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is pretty similar to my Max in hardware ala Nord Modular discussion of a while ago. It's nice to see that I'm not a raving lunatic! Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 17:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13737; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007501c26b22$cbe35a90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <200210031649.AA227475672@mail.unitcircle.com> Subject: Re: FCB0101 vs FC-200 vs ? Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:21:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <2bDnM.A.RVD.tTLn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is pretty similar to my Max in hardware ala Nord > Modular discussion of a while ago. It's nice to see that > I'm not a raving lunatic! ...or at least you're not a raving lunatic by yourself! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 17:39:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14821; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SketchyJoe@aol.com Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 17:37:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: computer based midi control Message-ID: <36260577.500B1ACC.0CC166E5@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was wondering if anybody knows of a window based program that can transmit on the fly midi control changes? I know obviously that I can preprogram a sequencer to send changes. I was hoping for something alsmost like a computer based "Faderman" or something. It would need to be cheap though, otherwise I would just get the Cooper box or something similar. Thanks. Joe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 17:58:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16015; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:57:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:57:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20021001180555.22079.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:56:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Piezo mics and water sounds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I may be mistaken but I think the piezoelectric effect produces a charge, not a voltage, to be precise. They have ideally infinite DC impedance, like a capacitor. True charge amps are hard to build but are used, instead of voltage preamps, for piezoelectric accelerometers in the acoustics and vibration instrumentation. But I've had fine results just plugging a bare disc into a guitar amp, and sticking the disc between bridge and body as Matthias suggests. Another conceptually interesting feature of piezo material is its symmetry-- if you apply an external charge to the material, it moves! (a very tiny bit). In my copious spare time I hope to develop an e-bow/Sustainiac like device that would work on non-metallic objects, using this principle. (Don't hold your breath.) Most piezoelectric material is also pyroelectric, meaning it generates an electrical response to heat. Perhaps some of the recent threads on "hot" looping can take note of this to good effect. :-) Does anyone really know how C-ducers work? I believe they are capacitive, because the foil inside the pickup thingy is not Kynar (a piezoelectric mylar) or anything like it. In fact I have made pickups with aluminum foil and scotch tape, which work amazingly well into a C-ducer preamp but don't make a peep plugged into anything else. Here's a link to some cool piezo sensor products: http://www.msiusa.com/piezo I bought this company's design kit from Digikey. They now have online ordering from their site, and I notice there are now some $25 hydrophone products listed too. The piezo cable looks really interesting. Bernie Krause recommended to me hydrophones from Underwater Acoustics in Vancouver BC. Barbara there was very helpful and sold me one of the very nice units they use for eco-tourist whale listening. Bernie also echoed the comments of many film sound designers, that a real world recording rarely sounds like we imagine it, especially with something so subtle as water. You often need to create the desired "nature" sound with multiple tracks and more in the studio. I couldn't find a URL for that company, but have the info somewhere on paper if anyone's interested. I did just find a link to another very nice looking professional hydrophone product: http://www.dolphinear.com/pro/index.htm If anyone has the $300 to blow on one of these, let us all know how well it works!!! My all time favorite underwater recordings use the tried-and-true but rather risky Neumann-with-a-condom technique. The serpent fight scene in the live action Jungle Book movie features sounds I recorded in this manner in a hot tub with my wife. I should loop those tracks and call it Freudian Field Day... -Alex S. At 4:57 PM -0300 10/3/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >>The piezo mic is two thin layers of metal, with a layer >>of ceramic between. Typically 1 to 2 centimeters in diameter, >>and less than a millimeter thick. When the element flexes, >>a tiny amount of electricity is generated. > >they react on pressure in the first place. In a lighter, you press >on them and the resulting voltage is so hight that a spark results. > >>A pre-amp is >>needed. > >the impedance depends on size. Its always bigger for low >frequencies, so a small element for full range needs about 2Megohm >input impedance. If you have a big element and/or dont need the low >frequencies, it can be much lower. > >>As far as I know, they work best on large, flat surfaces >>that resonate with the sound. > >between an activator and the base they work even better. > >>The prime example is the front of an accoustic guitar. > >better example is the bridge, between string and body. You can get >several volts there. > >>A flute probably won't work. > >yes, air movement is not enough, it takes a vibrating hard material. >The tube of a flute vibrates but maybe not enough. > >> >>However, what is so cool about them is that they are cheap >>if you make your own, which is pretty easy. Buy the bare >>element, or disassemble a Radio Shack buzzer, attach the >>wires, and you've only spent a couple bucks. Stick it to your >>instrument and see what happens. Try different spots, and >>wire two together for fun. I plan to embed a couple >>inside a hollow body kalimba I'm building. >> >> >>I originally found via Google some long posts from an >>guitar discussion group on the topic, but much instruction >>isn't needed because it is so easy. >> >>Yours in rhythm, >>Steve > > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 18:09:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17842; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:08:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200209290440.AAA22443@hemlock.violacea.com> <008901c26783$9d665020$3862f93f@global> <019801c26984$cc6e5ea0$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:07:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: WATER MUSIC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 4:57 PM -0300 10/3/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >UAKTI, a really good brasilian band known for creating their own >instruments and having done things with Phil Glass created a nice >and simple water instrument: >A tank on top of a doubble tube (telescope like). The water from the >tank drops (single drops or current) into the inner tube where the >resonance of the tube is activated. I dont quite remember where the >water goes from there, or how they avoid the tube to fill up. The >outer tube can be moved to change pitch. What you hear is pitched >water sound. That sounds like it would sound really nice. Has anyone figured out a way to blow pitched bubbles underwater? I imagine something similar might work, but like most things I imagine, I also imagine there are lots of tricks and fine points to learn and share.....? -Alex S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 18:58:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20425; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:57:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:57:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hooked into my sound card, a standard microphone has a background tinny hum. With my HP, this was less of a problem. I don't understand the problem. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 19:03:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22300; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c26b30$eebd97c0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:02:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Use a decent preamp and use line input on soundcard not mic input- if it is a budget souncard invest in something better. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: microphone hum > Hooked into my sound card, a standard microphone has a background tinny hum. > With my HP, this was less of a problem. > I don't understand the problem. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 19:16:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22955; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:16:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:16:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:15:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004701c26b30$eebd97c0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Molto grazi(e). Can you point me to a web site that discusses or sells "pre-amps?" -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone hum Use a decent preamp and use line input on soundcard not mic input- if it is a budget souncard invest in something better. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: microphone hum > Hooked into my sound card, a standard microphone has a background tinny hum. > With my HP, this was less of a problem. > I don't understand the problem. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 19:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23403; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:25:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:25:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c26b34$08511c40$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:24:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com There are many, many- for some decent ones under 200 bucks the Presonus Blue Tube provides 2 channels- also ART makes great models too- http://www.presonus.com/html/products/bluetube.html http://www.artroch.com/main.html http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_aphex_model/index.htm Also- M-Audio has some great souncards with break out box which have pre amps as well- http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/omnistud.php Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: RE: microphone hum > Molto grazi(e). Can you point me to a web site that discusses or sells > "pre-amps?" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: microphone hum > > Use a decent preamp and use line input on soundcard not mic input- if it is > a budget souncard invest in something better. > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:55 PM > Subject: microphone hum > > > > Hooked into my sound card, a standard microphone has a background tinny > hum. > > With my HP, this was less of a problem. > > I don't understand the problem. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 20:12:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27722; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006101c26b34$08511c40$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you. A thousand kisses. -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone hum There are many, many- for some decent ones under 200 bucks the Presonus Blue Tube provides 2 channels- also ART makes great models too- http://www.presonus.com/html/products/bluetube.html http://www.artroch.com/main.html http://mixonline.com/ar/audio_aphex_model/index.htm Also- M-Audio has some great souncards with break out box which have pre amps as well- http://www.m-audio.com/products/m-audio/omnistud.php Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: RE: microphone hum > Molto grazi(e). Can you point me to a web site that discusses or sells > "pre-amps?" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: microphone hum > > Use a decent preamp and use line input on soundcard not mic input- if it is > a budget souncard invest in something better. > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:55 PM > Subject: microphone hum > > > > Hooked into my sound card, a standard microphone has a background tinny > hum. > > With my HP, this was less of a problem. > > I don't understand the problem. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 21:47:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02419; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:45:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:45:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D9CD980.B8836A53@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:57:53 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone hum References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, you can do a search at any site like Musician's Friend (www.musiciansfriend.com) or zzounds.com and search under mic preamp. That should do it. There's a lot to choose from. However, I wouldn't go that route exactly. Rather than buying a specialized mic pre amp, I'd go with a nice Mackie or Soundcraft mixer. They've already got pretty good mic preamps built in. As good as the stand alone ones? Mostly not, but unless you've got a high end sound card, you'll probably not here much difference, and the functionality the mixer will give you is crucial for most recording anyway. I purchased a cheap Behringer mixer for $140 and it seems OK, but I have yet to compare it to my wife's Mackie for mic pre quality. I got it because my Soundcraft is too big and "installed" in my studio to take out, and I was tired of tearing down and setting up my wife's recording stuff every time I giged. If you're on a budget, this might be the way to go. Has anyone else made a comparison to Mackie and Behringer mixers? Mark Sottilaro MIKO wrote: > Molto grazi(e). Can you point me to a web site that discusses or sells > "pre-amps?" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: microphone hum > > Use a decent preamp and use line input on soundcard not mic input- if it is > a budget souncard invest in something better. > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:55 PM > Subject: microphone hum > > > Hooked into my sound card, a standard microphone has a background tinny > hum. > > With my HP, this was less of a problem. > > I don't understand the problem. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 22:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06457; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3D9CD980.B8836A53@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Will a cheap Radio Shack mixer be enough just to get rid of this hum? -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: microphone hum Well, you can do a search at any site like Musician's Friend (www.musiciansfriend.com) or zzounds.com and search under mic preamp. That should do it. There's a lot to choose from. However, I wouldn't go that route exactly. Rather than buying a specialized mic pre amp, I'd go with a nice Mackie or Soundcraft mixer. They've already got pretty good mic preamps built in. As good as the stand alone ones? Mostly not, but unless you've got a high end sound card, you'll probably not here much difference, and the functionality the mixer will give you is crucial for most recording anyway. I purchased a cheap Behringer mixer for $140 and it seems OK, but I have yet to compare it to my wife's Mackie for mic pre quality. I got it because my Soundcraft is too big and "installed" in my studio to take out, and I was tired of tearing down and setting up my wife's recording stuff every time I giged. If you're on a budget, this might be the way to go. Has anyone else made a comparison to Mackie and Behringer mixers? Mark Sottilaro MIKO wrote: > Molto grazi(e). Can you point me to a web site that discusses or sells > "pre-amps?" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: microphone hum > > Use a decent preamp and use line input on soundcard not mic input- if it is > a budget souncard invest in something better. > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 3:55 PM > Subject: microphone hum > > > Hooked into my sound card, a standard microphone has a background tinny > hum. > > With my HP, this was less of a problem. > > I don't understand the problem. Can anyone tell me how to resolve this? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 22:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06726; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:48:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:48:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:47:40 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c26b50$67dbd0d0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is likely to produce noise/hum of its own- save your duckets and get a Behringer at least- the 802A is $79 at GC- don't know how much the latest Behringer line is- Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: microphone hum Will a cheap Radio Shack mixer be enough just to get rid of this hum? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 3 23:35:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10735; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:34:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:34:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:33:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003501c26b50$67dbd0d0$6401a8c0@om> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's not so bad a price. -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: microphone hum It is likely to produce noise/hum of its own- save your duckets and get a Behringer at least- the 802A is $79 at GC- don't know how much the latest Behringer line is- Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: microphone hum Will a cheap Radio Shack mixer be enough just to get rid of this hum? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 01:17:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA18572; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:16:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:16:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002e01c26b66$88785960$8da55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <3D9CD980.B8836A53@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: microphone hum Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:26:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So that's what "PRE" is on my Behringer MX 1604A...I had a pre amp all this time and didn't know about it...! > Well, you can do a search at any site like Musician's Friend > (www.musiciansfriend.com) or zzounds.com and search under mic preamp. That > should do it. There's a lot to choose from. > > However, I wouldn't go that route exactly. Rather than buying a specialized > mic pre amp, I'd go with a nice Mackie or Soundcraft mixer. They've already > got pretty good mic preamps built in. As good as the stand alone ones? > Mostly not, but unless you've got a high end sound card, you'll probably not > here much difference, and the functionality the mixer will give you is crucial > for most recording anyway. I could make a piezo mic, and go into the mixer, though I'm a little bummed that it may not amp my flute: >>A flute probably won't work. >yes, air movement is not enough, it takes a vibrating hard material. >The tube of a flute vibrates but maybe not enough. At least my piano has a sound board (ah, spruce...). |: David :| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 10:26:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28325; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Plus (was / CE EDP) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:26:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3D9CA241.1D5C20E5@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It will be shipped to all corners of the globe, simultaneously. We're still on for December shipping, but there's still plenty of work to be done. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: 03 October 2002 21:02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Plus (was / CE EDP) Hi Matthias, Matthias Grob wrote: > I mentioned that the CE version of the EDP+ should be available in > December in Europa. Just to clarify: is the EDP Plus going to be sold in America as well, or is it a Europe-only deal? Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 10:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29258; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:35:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:35:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:35:34 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP Plus (was / CE EDP) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Dave Wallingford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8A798834-D7A6-11D6-96AA-000393914E60@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there any info available on the EDP Plus?? > It will be shipped to all corners of the globe, simultaneously. > We're still on for December shipping, but there's still plenty of work > to be > done. Thanks! Dave Wallingford Sound Designer Walling1@mac.com 614.286.7362 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 10:51:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30000; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Impedance and Reactance Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:49:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone put impedance and reactance into laymen's terms for me and tell me what they impact? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 10:53:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30181; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:52:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:52:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: gallium arsenide field-effect transistors, microwave radio frequencies, amplifier circuits Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <5_JmEC.A.sWH.Osan9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can anyone put THIS into laymen's terms for me? From: http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci214515,00.html gallium arsenide field-effect transistor Also see metal-oxide semiconductor field-effect transistor. A gallium arsenide field-effect transistor (GaAsFET) is a specialized type of field-effect transistor (FET) that is used in amplifier circuits at very-high, ultra-high, and microwave radio frequencies.? This spans the electromagnetic radiation spectrum from approximately 30 MHz up to the infrared band.? The GaAsFET is known for its sensitivity, and especially for the fact that it generates very little internal noise.? This is because gallium arsenide has exceptional carrier mobility.? The electrons and holes move through the semiconductor material easily and fast.? The GaAsFET is a depletion-mode device.? This means that it conducts when no voltage is applied to the control electrode (gate), and when a voltage appears at the gate, the channel conductivity decreases. In weak-signal wireless communications and broadcast reception, GaAsFET devices perform better than most other types of FET. ? Some types of GaAsFET are used as radio-frequency (RF) power amplifiers.? GaAsFETs are employed in space communications, in radio astronomy, and in experiments conducted by amateur radio operators. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 13:37:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10990; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021004173252.69548.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: piezo mics and midi dancers To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: alex@pixar.com, matthias@grob.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, the piezo mic information is getting great! I'm glad that some people who really know what they are talking about are here. I don't know much except I was able to rig one up in a couple of minutes. Now for what would be _really_ exciting- a convergence of the midi controller and piezo threads. Using the MidiSolutions box, I can use a potentiometer to send midi cc commands. Is it possible, (holding my breath) to have a piezo electric transducer vary a resistance, which drives the midi box... I'm sure somehow it could be done, so the question is really is it inexpensive, and easy enough that someone would actually send a circuit diagram? Yours in rhythm, Steve __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 14:13:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14135; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:06:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004a01c26bd0$b0d2cd90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <20021004173252.69548.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: piezo mics and midi dancers Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:05:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, if you're a DIY, kit-building kind of guy, you might want to check out the PAIA MIDI Brain kit: http://www.paia.com/midibrn.htm#thumdrum The MIDI Brain is available in two configurations. 1) The MIDI Fader converts 8 channels of 0-5 V (like that supplied by a potentiameter circuit) to MIDI CC messages. 2) The MIDI Drum Brain converts trigger pulses from 8 channels into MIDI note-on/-off messages. The pulses can be produced by piezo pickups. Hope this helps. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "SRice" To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: piezo mics and midi dancers > > Wow, the piezo mic information is getting great! > I'm glad that some people who really know what they > are talking about are here. I don't know much > except I was able to rig one up in a couple of > minutes. > > Now for what would be _really_ exciting- a > convergence of the midi controller and piezo > threads. > > Using the MidiSolutions box, I can use a potentiometer > to send midi cc commands. Is it possible, (holding > my breath) to have a piezo electric transducer > vary a resistance, which drives the midi box... > > I'm sure somehow it could be done, so the question > is really is it inexpensive, and easy enough that > someone would actually send a circuit diagram? > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 14:55:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18116; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:54:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:52:49 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: piezo mics and midi dancers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <049a01c26bd7$3cc24320$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021004173252.69548.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> <004a01c26bd0$b0d2cd90$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i've been using the paia midi to cv circuit for over a year. no problemo. pretty easy assembly if you have soldering mojo... > Steve, if you're a DIY, kit-building kind of guy, you might want to check > out the PAIA MIDI Brain kit: > http://www.paia.com/midibrn.htm#thumdrum > The MIDI Brain is available in two configurations. 1) The MIDI Fader > converts 8 channels of 0-5 V (like that supplied by a potentiameter circuit) > to MIDI CC messages. 2) The MIDI Drum Brain converts trigger pulses from 8 > channels into MIDI note-on/-off messages. The pulses can be produced by > piezo pickups. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 15:00:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20138; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:59:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:59:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 13:59:00 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: OT: riaa article To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04a601c26bd8$19cc42c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.theonion.com/onion3836/riaa_sues_radio_stations.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 15:26:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21485; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:14:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:14:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <20021004173252.69548.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: piezo mics and midi dancers Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:16:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 19:13:22.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B1356D0:01C26BDA] Resent-Message-ID: <-IohCB.A.zOF.xhen9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Using the MidiSolutions box, I can use a potentiometer > to send midi cc commands. Is it possible, (holding > my breath) to have a piezo electric transducer > vary a resistance, which drives the midi box... > > I'm sure somehow it could be done, so the question > is really is it inexpensive, and easy enough that > someone would actually send a circuit diagram? Piezo discs will have a voltage across their terminals which corresponds to the CHANGE in force on it. In other words if I put 10 pounds of force on a piezo disc, the voltage with spike up when I first put the force on, and then settle back down while the force is constant, then spike negative when I remove the force. So sending CC messages isn't at all what you would want to do with a piezo disc. Piezo discs would be good for sending note-on messages (they are used in most electronic drum triggers). Just wire up the two terminals of the piezo disc to a 1/4" jack and plug it into any drum brain that accepts trigger inputs and you'll have a velocity sensitive midi note-on trigger. There are lots of writeups on the web about how to make your own electronic drum trigger pads - search on "piezo drum trigger." Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 15:53:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24255; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:49:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:49:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: riaa article Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <04a601c26bd8$19cc42c0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I so totally agree with the article's sarcasm, and the irony is that Morpheus/Napster/Kazaa and the like really only replaced the boom box double tape recorder AND I was learning a lot about music when I dared to download music off the Internet- I learned about Michael Nezmith with the help of my neighbor (I can't comment because of my neighbor's heart and how it6 swoons for Michael)- I listened top music from other countries more often- and that's NOT the same as when you listen to music on a radio station based in another country and all they play is American music- and also I got to hear bands that had never even gotten signed, and perhaps never would- but there- they had a voice- and, well, at least, there they still might- but putting your music out for free now when there's no music from signe4d bands is basically an act of desperation made painfully clear. I wrote so much about copyright and said so much about it in the PAST, and now I feel like a WUSS. But here's the deal. Reality first: The cops and feds do not care. They're starting to arrest people. At least that's how it seems. And a lot more people are getting mean in their attitude about it. I miss my downloaded music, but at least now I don't have the jerks with bad attitudes, as if they need to fight for the success of the successful who already know they're successful and must care about copyright for the sake of having something to do- leaning over my shoulder and using the sadistic sarcastic judging tone "oh, so where'd you get that music, and so on." Life is more boring and it's all because of the people who can't get a life and so choose to nose in on the lives of others. To tell you the truth- no one I know buys MORE or LESS CDs because they download or don't download free music from the Internet. People are still trying to impress with, or are impressed by, if so inclined, good CD collection (unlike mine, all broken scratched and disrespectful of the whole idea of music but loving of it as well)... -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: riaa article http://www.theonion.com/onion3836/riaa_sues_radio_stations.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 15:56:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24639; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:53:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:53:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021004123616.00b4e420@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: hlindauer@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:51:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Hans Lindauer Subject: piezo film transducers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT of pickups. They make great gifts. http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm Cheers, -Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 16:25:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27542; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:15:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:15:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021004123616.00b4e420@pop.charter.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021004123616.00b4e420@pop.charter.net> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:14:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: piezo film transducers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You can get smaller quantities from Digikey. www.digikey.com >Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may >be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. >Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price >as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT >of pickups. They make great gifts. > >http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm > > >Cheers, > >-Hans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 17:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02150; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:26:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:26:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D9E0630.52DB83D6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:20:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Impedance and Reactance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Simply put, impedance is the interaction between resistance and frequency. It effects the signal transfer. I took a class where we looked at it mathematically, and it was way beyond me. I think of impedance (load) like bike gears. A transistor is always trying to pedal with all it's might. If the gear is too low (2 ohms), the pedaling will be too fast (current too high) and you'll burn your legs out. Most commercial amps like the "gear" to be between 6-8 ohms. Two low and you can burn out your amp. Lot's of pro stuff will deal with a 2 ohm load. Touch your positive and negative leads together to find out what will happen with no load. That smell will be your amp frying. Your reactance will be one of crying and maybe shouting. If the impedance is too high, your amp probably won't care, but you won't get a lot of signal. This may be a horrible analogy, but it's how I think of it. Am I wrong? Mark Sottilaro MIKO wrote: > Can anyone put impedance and reactance into laymen's terms for me and tell > me what they impact? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 17:37:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02259; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:28:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:28:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3D9E07E8.4CB76F38@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:28:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: riaa article References: <04a601c26bd8$19cc42c0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com haha! That's a good one. jim palmer wrote: > http://www.theonion.com/onion3836/riaa_sues_radio_stations.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 18:05:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05352; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:04:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:04:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021004220344.30672.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Impedance and Reactance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3D9E0630.52DB83D6@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Impedance is the oposition to AC or DC current (electron flow). Impedance of a component will typically vary with frequency of the AC signal. Impedance is a vector, consisting of 2 independant scalers - resistance and reactance. Resistance how much opposition to the flow of electrons in either an AC or DC circuit or component. Lower resistance means LESS opposistion, Higher resistance means MORE opposition (to the flow of electrons). Reactance is an expression of the storing or releasing of energy in a circuit or component. Reactance occurs only for AC not DC. Reactance can be inductive (magnetic field storage/release) or capacitive (electric field storage/release). Reactance is expressed in imaginary numbers. bret --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Simply put, impedance is the interaction between resistance and > frequency. > It effects the signal transfer. I took a class where we looked at it > mathematically, and it was way beyond me. I think of impedance > (load) like > bike gears. A transistor is always trying to pedal with all it's > might. If > the gear is too low (2 ohms), the pedaling will be too fast (current > too > high) and you'll burn your legs out. Most commercial amps like the > "gear" > to be between 6-8 ohms. Two low and you can burn out your amp. > Lot's of pro > stuff will deal with a 2 ohm load. Touch your positive and negative > leads > together to find out what will happen with no load. That smell will > be your > amp frying. Your reactance will be one of crying and maybe > shouting. If > the impedance is too high, your amp probably won't care, but you > won't get a > lot of signal. > > This may be a horrible analogy, but it's how I think of it. Am I > wrong? > > Mark Sottilaro > > MIKO wrote: > > > Can anyone put impedance and reactance into laymen's terms for me > and tell > > me what they impact? > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 18:16:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05975; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:16:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:16:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021004221532.88979.qmail@web10102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Impedance and Reactance To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021004220344.30672.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Should have read 'Resistance is how much opposition.....' Speaker impedance varies greatly with respect to the frequency of the signal. An 8 ohm speaker may have an impedance varying from 3 to 60 ohms (or more). Here are examples of speaker impedance across frequency: http://www.churchsoundcheck.com/imp1.html This impedance variation is one reason why low level active loudspeaker crossovers (as in bi amping) are preferred over high level passive loudspeaker crossovers (caps and coils at the speaker level). The varying impedance of the loudspeaker makes it difficult to design a high level passive crossover that interacts with the REAL impedance of the speaker (varies over frequency) rather than the IDEAL or STATED impedance (one value like 8 ohms). bret --- Bret wrote: > Impedance is the oposition to AC or DC current (electron flow). > Impedance of a component will typically vary with frequency of the AC > signal. Impedance is a vector, consisting of 2 independant scalers - > resistance and reactance. > > Resistance how much opposition to the flow of electrons in either an > AC > or DC circuit or component. Lower resistance means LESS opposistion, > Higher resistance means MORE opposition (to the flow of electrons). > > Reactance is an expression of the storing or releasing of energy in a > circuit or component. Reactance occurs only for AC not DC. > Reactance > can be inductive (magnetic field storage/release) or capacitive > (electric field storage/release). Reactance is expressed in > imaginary > numbers. > bret > --- sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > Simply put, impedance is the interaction between resistance and > > frequency. > > It effects the signal transfer. I took a class where we looked at > it > > mathematically, and it was way beyond me. I think of impedance > > (load) like > > bike gears. A transistor is always trying to pedal with all it's > > might. If > > the gear is too low (2 ohms), the pedaling will be too fast > (current > > too > > high) and you'll burn your legs out. Most commercial amps like > the > > "gear" > > to be between 6-8 ohms. Two low and you can burn out your amp. > > Lot's of pro > > stuff will deal with a 2 ohm load. Touch your positive and > negative > > leads > > together to find out what will happen with no load. That smell > will > > be your > > amp frying. Your reactance will be one of crying and maybe > > shouting. If > > the impedance is too high, your amp probably won't care, but you > > won't get a > > lot of signal. > > > > This may be a horrible analogy, but it's how I think of it. Am I > > wrong? > > > > Mark Sottilaro > > > > MIKO wrote: > > > > > Can anyone put impedance and reactance into laymen's terms for me > > and tell > > > me what they impact? > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 18:51:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07961; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:50:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c26bf9$96662320$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Altitude and Sedative Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:58:43 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 8th - Altitude and Sedative It's a family affair, as electronic/sonic twins Matt and Mark Thibideau (Altitude and Sedative) who also perform with Repair and Tungsten, are joined by their brother Greg Thibideau on guitar and loops. Matt and Mark are planning to bring some vintage analog gear and some twisty 8-bit sample loops to create this year's model of their ambient grooves & toneworks. Releases from Mark Thibideau & Repair: http://substatic.de Between Sets CD - "Letters" by Aidan Baker (Arcolepsy Records) Two 23 minute ambient tracks featuring treated guitar drones & loops, mysterious voices, bass and cymbals. (See the complete CD review by rik maclean below...) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 15th - DJ Synapse with Wally Jericho and Yehudah Cullman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 20:28:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15497; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:28:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:28:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e301c26c05$d7135580$c7615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #289 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:25:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #289 October 3, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on ambient guitarist Jeff Pearce, who will play at The Gathering on the 19th. The Featured CD at midnight was "The Light Beyond" on the Hypnos label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "White Noise 2" by David Vorhaus on the Virgin label. I played the music of artists who will be performing at the next Gathering, which will feature Jeff Pearce with Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton. Jeff Pearce http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#oct The Gathering http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm David Vorhaus Movement II (part 2) White Noise 2 (Virgin) vidnaObmana Echoes of Steel: IV An Opera for Four Fusion Works (Hypnos) Jeff Greinke Wide View Wide View (Hypnos) Mike Griffin and Tectonic The Most Distant Point Known Dave Fulton (Hypnos) Keith Fullerton Whitman track3a(2waynice) Playthroughs (Kranky) Mark Jenkins The Ceremony of Sequencer Loops (AMP) Innocence 12:00 am Jeff Pearce Migration of Souls The Light Beyond (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Across the Infinite Sea The Light Beyond (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce A Farther Shore The Light Beyond (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce The Light Beyond The Light Beyond (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jeff Pearce who uses the guitar to create synth-like soundscapes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Vestiges" on the Jeff Pearce Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "TONTO's Expanding Head Band" by Robert Marouleff and Malcolm Cecil on the Atlantic label. I will play the music of artists who will be performing at the next Gathering, which will feature Jeff Pearce with Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 20:39:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16898; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:38:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:38:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.136.242.111] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: NS Stick for sale Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:37:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2002 00:37:54.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[718C5BB0:01C26C07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I'm selling an NS stick for $1450.00. This includes the molded case & shipping within the U.S. I just had the NS setup done 2 months ago so it's in great shape. Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com Regards, Lou Rossi _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 20:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17240; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.136.242.111] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Vintage Petal sale Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:40:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2002 00:40:20.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8B3C270:01C26C07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, FYI, Dotcom downsize is forcing me to dump some petals too :( Marshall Guv'nor original Distortion petal $80 Ibanez BCL- Bi-mode chorus $ 40 Vintage MXR Dyna Comp block letters $ 80 prices include shipping within the U.S Please contact me directly at: tarbit@hotmail.com Thanks & sorry about the spam LOU _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 4 23:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30647; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 20:21:07 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: 2nd acf/LA teXalon - Interactive Media Performance X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Technology Salons Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1178334408==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1178334408==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" American Composers Forum Los Angeles proudly presents: ============================== SECOND acf/LA TECHNOLOGY SALON ============================== Tuesday, OCTOBER 15th, 2002, 7:30-10:00 PM TuttoMedia 312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose) Venice, CA 90291 310-399-2800 FREE ADMISSION ($5 suggested donation) Ample street parking ============================= INTERACTIVE MEDIA PERFORMANCE ============================= With presentations by Clay CHAPLIN - STUPID THING and THE IMAGINE PLAYER "Stupid Thing" is a real time wireless performance instrument for audio visual improvisation, complete with sensors and a wireless video camera. "The Imagine Player" is Stupid Thing's software brain created and customized in Max/MSP for real time control of video processing. Chaplin is a composer and a video artist working in the areas of contemporary music, video, dance, computers, and related technology. A majority of his works explore improvisation in real-time performance settings, making use of live sampling techniques, live processing, and video image sampling. http://www.claychaplin.com/ Mark CONIGLIO with Dawn STOPPIELLO - "ISADORA" "Isadora" is a graphic programming environment for Macintosh computers that provides interactive control over digital media, with special emphasis on the real-time manipulation of digital video. Coniglio is a composer and developer of hardware and software systems for interactive performance. He collaborated with composer Morton Subotnick on Interactor, one of the first software environments for interactive performance. Coniglio and Stoppiello are Artistic Co-directors of the dance theater company Troika Ranch, creating dynamic live performances that combine dance, music, theater and interactive digital media. Key technologies in their work are the MidiDancer wireless movement sensing system worn on the body of a performer, and Isadora software. http://www.troikaranch.org/ http://www.troikatronix.com/isadora.html Moderated by: Richard ZVONAR >------| || ||| ||||| |||||||| ||||||||||||| ||||||||||||||||||||||------< acf/LA Technology Salons - fashioning possibilities for future music >------|||||||||||||||||||||| ||||||||||||| |||||||| ||||| ||| || |------< Need more info?: (562) 464-6644 or =========================================================================== If you want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe teXalon --============_-1178334408==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" 2nd acf/LA teXalon - Interactive Media Performance

American Composers Forum Los Angeles proudly presents:

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SECOND acf/LA TECHNOLOGY SALON
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Tuesday, OCTOBER 15th, 2002, 7:30-10:00 PM

TuttoMedia
312 Fifth Avenue (at Rose)  Venice, CA 90291
310-399-2800

FREE ADMISSION ($5 suggested donation)
Ample street parking
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INTERACTIVE MEDIA PERFORMANCE
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With presentations by
  • Clay CHAPLIN - STUPID THING and THE IMAGINE PLAYER

"Stupid Thing" is a real time wireless performance instrument for audio visual improvisation, complete with sensors and a wireless video camera. "The Imagine Player" is Stupid Thing's software brain created and customized in Max/MSP for real time control of video processing.

Chaplin is a composer and a video artist working in the areas of contemporary music, video, dance, computers, and related technology. A majority of his works explore improvisation in real-time performance settings, making use of live sampling techniques, live processing, and video image sampling.

http://www.claychaplin.com/


  • Mark CONIGLIO with Dawn STOPPIELLO - "ISADORA"

"Isadora" is a graphic programming environment for Macintosh computers that provides interactive control over digital media, with special emphasis on the real-time manipulation of digital video.

Coniglio is a composer and developer of hardware and software systems for interactive performance. He collaborated with composer Morton Subotnick on Interactor, one of the first software environments for interactive performance.

Coniglio and Stoppiello are Artistic Co-directors of the dance theater company Troika Ranch, creating dynamic live performances that combine dance, music, theater and interactive digital media. Key technologies in their work are the MidiDancer wireless movement sensing system worn on the body of a performer, and Isadora software.

http://www.troikaranch.org/
http://www.troikatronix.com/isadora.html


Moderated by:  Richard ZVONAR

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--============_-1178334408==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 00:42:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08739; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:42:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:42:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: computer based midi control Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:21:13 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <36260577.500B1ACC.0CC166E5@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <72O-lC.A.VIC.g2mn9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tinygod.com/ http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/6501/vmm_man.htm these sites might be of use. -omjn > -----Original Message----- > From: SketchyJoe@aol.com [mailto:SketchyJoe@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, 4 October 2002 5:37 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: computer based midi control > > > I was wondering if anybody knows of a window based program that > can transmit on the fly midi control changes? I know obviously > that I can preprogram a sequencer to send changes. I was hoping > for something alsmost like a computer based "Faderman" or > something. It would need to be cheap though, otherwise I would > just get the Cooper box or something similar. Thanks. > > Joe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 01:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12963; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 01:51:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 01:51:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:50:41 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [gig spam] Sunao Inami Bay Area Tour 2002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is my live gig information at Bay Area,USA in next week. I would like to meet Looper's Delight members.. ____________ 11 Fri Oct '02 Field Effects 7 http://www.quietamerican.org/fe7.html Live at 964 Natoma,San Francisco Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com TOG http://www.tognet.org Metrologic http://www.siladi.com/music.html Bill Thompson http://ecolirecords.com doors 8pm $6-10 sliding scale ~ no one turned away 964 Natoma tel 626.403.9343 Between Mission and Howard, 10th and 11th street, south of market. A few blocks from Civic Center BART, or the corner of Market & Van Ness. Bike parking inside. more info: ghede@well.com http://www.quietamerican.org 12 Sat Oct '02 WHITEBOX VIP LOUNGE ACT7 "DEEPER AMBIENT" http://homepage.mac.com/mickey_t/Menu2.html Live at WHITEBOX VIP LOUNGE,San Francisco Set 1 Audio: Thomas Dimuzio (SF, USA) Visual: Chris Musgrave (SF/NY, USA) Set 2 Audio: Sunao Inami (Kobe, Japan) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Visual: Suquare Suquare (NY, USA) Time: Start @ 8:30 pm, Ends @ 10:30 pm Download Flyer: http://homepage.mac.com/mickey_t/.Pictures/ACT7/ACT7%20web-flyer.jpg WHITEBOX VIP LOUNGE 1067 Market Street, Suite 1004 San Francisco. more info: http://homepage.mac.com/mickey_t/ mickey_t@mac.com 415-503-0477 13 Sun Oct '02 East Meet West Looping Festival http://www.cayugavault.com/events/eastmeetswest.html Live at CAYUGA VAULT,Santa Cruz Sunao Inami (Powerbook G4) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Rick Walker's Loop.pooL (dayglo green plastic) http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/garyseven/itsit.html Michael Klobuchar (guitarisms) Loop.Inami.pooL more info and contacts: CAYUGA VAULT corner of Soquel Avenue and Cayuga Street in Santa Cruz, California. tel 831.421.9471 http://www.cayugavault.com/ ____________ sorry for OT.. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 02:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15323; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 02:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 02:19:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 01:02:36 -0500 Subject: rds-8000 repair question | rds 7.6 mod From: adam To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, I have an rds-8000 i just picked up on ebay. The unit allows a clean signal to pass through but no delay. I'm familiar with the layout so it's not a question of user error (Proud rds 7.6 and the pds-8000 owner since the early 90s). The box also has a noticeable hum. Any similiar prblems from RDS users? Any suggestions? quick fixes? Nothing seems out of place on the board (no sketchy solder joints or loose chips). I'd take it to the local authorized digitech repair but i was burned on an amp repair at that joint. Never again! Thanks for all the 7.6 MOD input! I ripped it open and manage to coax 26 seconds out of it before the signal quality went below what I doing. I did set the pot on the max (maybe 35-40 seconds) for awhile and looped a few bits. Some of the craziest ring mod/ bit reduction sounds i've ever heard! Yes, I did record them! Thanks again! Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 02:29:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15755; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 02:28:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 02:28:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: rds-8000 repair question | rds 7.6 mod Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c26c38$76a21fa0$4807f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com adam wrote: I have an rds-8000 i just picked up on ebay. The unit allows a clean signal to pass through but no delay. I'd take it to the local authorized digitech repair but i was burned on an amp repair at that joint. ---I have had good results with Harmon Music repairs--they repaired my Digitech PMC-10. (801) 566-8919. Will they work on this unit? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 11:37:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18924; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:33:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:33:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: computer based midi control Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might also look at KeyKit (free!): nosuch.com/keykit/ A description from the Internet: "KeyKit is a multi-tasking interpreted programming language (inspired by awk) designed exclusively for realtime and algorithmic MIDI manipulation. KeyKit's GUI provides several dozen tools for algorithmic music experimentation, including a multi-track sequencer and drum pattern editor. The GUI and all tools are completely written in the KeyKit language itself. This allows users to add new tools and operations to the existing tools, even while the system is running. Complete C source code and precompiled executables for Windows and Linux are provided." The website seems to be down right now. I think there's a few LD members who are KeyKit users, so they could give more info than me. (I just installed it this morning.) Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com > http://www.tinygod.com/ > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Campus/6501/vmm_man.htm > > these sites might be of use. > > -omjn > > > > > > > I was wondering if anybody knows of a window based program that > > can transmit on the fly midi control changes? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 13:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26572; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:20:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:20:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.5 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 18:18:47 +0100 Subject: RE: rds-8000 repair question | rds 7.6 mod From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Adam said > I have an rds-8000 i just picked up on ebay. The unit allows a clean signal > to pass through but no delay. I'm familiar with the layout so it's not a > question of user error (Proud rds 7.6 and the pds-8000 owner since the early > 90s). The box also has a noticeable hum. Any similiar prblems from RDS > users? Any suggestions? quick fixes? Nothing seems out of place on the board > (no sketchy solder joints or loose chips). I'd take it to the local > authorized digitech repair but i was burned on an amp repair at that joint. > Never again! My RDS also has a noticeable hum, especially compared with my JamMan. But it records fine - no problems with noise. Maybe your machine is noisier than mine. best victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 13:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28449; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021005175529.20426.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1475158520-1033840529=:20305" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1475158520-1033840529=:20305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light. I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it. Anyone have experience with this??? Thanks! Bradley Fish --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Hi,

I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light.

I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1.

I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it.

Anyone have experience with this???

Thanks!

Bradley Fish



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faith.yahoo.com --0-1475158520-1033840529=:20305-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 14:26:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31182; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ae01c26c9c$56780780$b73c5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlists #8 and #9 Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8 am to 9:30 am. Show #8 September 28, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic and moved through some eclectic genres of music, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of Jeff Pearce and Mike Griffin & Dave Fulton who will play at the next Gathering on October 19. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Jeff Pearce Lattice of Memory Songs for the Gathering (none) Mike Griffin and Curved Beyond Zero The Most Distant Point Known Dave Fulton (Hypnos) SYN Soundwave Traveller Soundwave Traveller (Spheric) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Rasa Sri Rupa Manjari In Concert (Hearts of Space) VA [Five O'clock Tomorrow Never Knows Come Together (Hot Lips) Shadow] George Martin Come Together In My Life (Echo) Richard Shulman The Dream Camelot Reawakened (Richhart) Ed Gerhard Because of You, This House of Guitars (Virtue) Tommy Emmanuel Blue Moon The Very Best Of (Sony) Billy McLaughlin The Bow and Arrow The Bow and Arrow (Proton Discs) Lunasa Eanair Lunasa (Compass) Lunasa Donogh and Mike The Merry Sisters of Fate (Green Linnet) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Echolyn Mei * Mei (Velveteen) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Show #9 October 5, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic and moved through a number of Beatle covers, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of Jeff Pearce and Mike Griffin & Dave Fulton who will play at the next Gathering on October 19. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Mike Griffin and Dark Observer The Most Distant Point Known Dave Fulton (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Inner Light Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Wavestar Early Voyages Out of Time (Groove) SYN Sonus (Part 3) Soundwave Traveller (Spheric) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Ed Gerhard Junk House of Guitars (Virtue) George Martin Because In My Life (Echo) VA [Toxic Audio] All I've Got To Do Come Together (Hot Lips) VA [Eddie Vedder] You've Got To Hide Your I Am Sam (V2) Love Away VA [The Tufts I Am the Walrus Come Together (Hot Lips) Beelzebubs] VA [The Bobs] Strawberry Fields Come Together (Hot Lips) Forever VA [Heather Nova] We Can Work It Out I Am Sam (V2) VA [Howie Day] Help! 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Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 14:53:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00403; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:53:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:53:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021005185245.36094.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:52:45 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: re: piezo mics and midi dancers To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1705589629-1033843965=:35639" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1705589629-1033843965=:35639 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ha, my level of kit competance is twisting two wires together. I'm not sure the 'midibrain' even does what I want. An interesting device to me would be a smooth hand-held object which could be squeezed to eventually send midi cc messages to a repeater to change the pitch of one track. So if I could embed a piezo electric in something and change current to the range of resistance usable by a MidiSolutions converter I'd have it. Otherwise, the hand-held device contains a potentiometer which is twisted or slid to achieve the control. Since I'd like this to be used by a dancer it needs to be simple and easy to hold and manipulate. Incidentally(on topic content) I could be sitting with my foot on the record button to loop something interesting a dancer creates. Yours in rhythm, Steve >Steve, if you're a DIY, kit-building kind of guy, you might >want to check >out the PAIA MIDI Brain kit: >http://www.paia.com/midibrn.htm#thumdrum ----- Original Message ----- From: "SRice" To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: piezo mics and midi dancers > > Wow, the piezo mic information is getting great! > I'm glad that some people who really know what they > are talking about are here. I don't know much > except I was able to rig one up in a couple of > minutes. > > Now for what would be _really_ exciting- a > convergence of the midi controller and piezo > threads. > > Using the MidiSolutions box, I can use a potentiometer > to send midi cc commands. Is it possible, (holding > my breath) to have a piezo electric transducer > vary a resistance, which drives the midi box... > > I'm sure somehow it could be done, so the question > is really is it inexpensive, and easy enough that > someone would actually send a circuit diagram? > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-1705589629-1033843965=:35639 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Ha, my level of kit competance is twisting two wires together.

I'm not sure the 'midibrain' even does what I want.  An interesting device to me would

be a smooth hand-held object which could be squeezed to eventually send

midi cc messages to a repeater to change the pitch of one track. 

So if I could embed a piezo electric in something and change current to

the range of resistance usable by a MidiSolutions converter I'd have it.

Otherwise,  the hand-held device contains a potentiometer which is twisted

or slid to achieve the control.

 

Since I'd like this to be used by a dancer it needs to be simple and easy to hold

and manipulate.

 

Incidentally(on topic content)  I could be sitting with my foot on the record button

to loop something interesting a dancer creates.

 

Yours in rhythm,

Steve

 

 

>Steve, if you're a DIY, kit-building kind of guy, you might
>want to check
>out the PAIA MIDI Brain kit:
>http://www.paia.com/midibrn.htm#thumdrum

----- Original Message -----
From: "SRice" <srice44@yahoo.com>
To: <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com>
Cc: <alex@pixar.com>; <matthias@grob.org>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:32 PM
Subject: piezo mics and midi dancers


>
> Wow, the piezo mic information is getting great!
> I'm glad that some people who really know what they
> are talking about are here.  I don't know much
> except I was able to rig one up in a couple of
> minutes.
>
> Now for what would be _really_ exciting- a
> convergence of the midi controller and piezo
> threads.
>
> Using the MidiSolutions box, I can use a potentiometer
> to send midi cc commands.  Is it possible, (holding
> my breath) to have a piezo electric transducer
> vary a resistance, which drives the midi box...
>
> I'm sure somehow it could be done, so the question
> is really is it inexpensive, and easy enough that
> someone would actually send a circuit diagram?
>
> Yours in rhythm,
> Steve
>



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faith.yahoo.com --0-1705589629-1033843965=:35639-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 15:30:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03615; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:28:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:28:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20021001180555.22079.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:29:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Piezo mics and water sounds Cc: Hansruedi Bossart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I may be mistaken but I think the piezoelectric effect produces a >charge, not a voltage, to be precise. well, the charge is measured as a voltage... as soon as a current is drawn, though, the charge and thus the voltage changes... thats a problem for DC use and low frequencies. Its exactly the oposite of the coil (magnetic pickup) which only produces a current. To make a flat amp for it is more dificult, since the coil has an internal resistance and capacitance, too, so its not as ideal as the piezo. >They have ideally infinite DC impedance, like a capacitor. True >charge amps are hard to build but are used, instead of voltage >preamps, for piezoelectric accelerometers in the acoustics and >vibration instrumentation. amazing... I had understood that the charge amps are needed in cases where you want to measure a constant pressure, like a balance for example: you short the piezo for tara and then put the weight on it and measure the charge which has to stay constant. >But I've had fine results just plugging a bare disc into a guitar >amp, and sticking the disc between bridge and body as Matthias >suggests. The amp I use is simple: a 2n2 cap to the positive opamp input a 2M2 resistor to ground. A guitar amp input is similar to this, but sometimes has another cap to deal with the coil and usually does not cut the low end, so you can drive it into clipping simply by puting your hand on the bridge, for example. >Another conceptually interesting feature of piezo material is its >symmetry-- if you apply an external charge to the material, it >moves! (a very tiny bit). In my copious spare time I hope to develop >an e-bow/Sustainiac like device that would work on non-metallic >objects, using this principle. (Don't hold your breath.) I made this work for very high notes. For the medium and bass range of the guitar, the piezo movement is by far to small. >Most piezoelectric material is also pyroelectric, meaning it >generates an electrical response to heat. Perhaps some of the recent >threads on "hot" looping can take note of this to good effect. :-) > >Does anyone really know how C-ducers work? I believe they are >capacitive, because the foil inside the pickup thingy is not Kynar >(a piezoelectric mylar) or anything like it. In fact I have made >pickups with aluminum foil and scotch tape, which work amazingly >well into a C-ducer preamp but don't make a peep plugged into >anything else. Right, thats because you have to apply a voltage to it, I think, similar to a condenser microphone. > >Here's a link to some cool piezo sensor products: >http://www.msiusa.com/piezo > >I bought this company's design kit from Digikey. They now have >online ordering from their site, and I notice there are now some $25 >hydrophone products listed too. The piezo cable looks really >interesting. > >Bernie Krause recommended to me hydrophones from Underwater >Acoustics in Vancouver BC. Barbara there was very helpful and sold >me one of the very nice units they use for eco-tourist whale >listening. Bernie also echoed the comments of many film sound >designers, that a real world recording rarely sounds like we imagine >it, especially with something so subtle as water. You often need to >create the desired "nature" sound with multiple tracks and more in >the studio. > >I couldn't find a URL for that company, but have the info somewhere >on paper if anyone's interested. I did just find a link to another >very nice looking professional hydrophone product: > >http://www.dolphinear.com/pro/index.htm > >If anyone has the $300 to blow on one of these, let us all know how >well it works!!! > >My all time favorite underwater recordings use the tried-and-true >but rather risky Neumann-with-a-condom technique. The serpent fight >scene in the live action Jungle Book movie features sounds I >recorded in this manner in a hot tub with my wife. I should loop >those tracks and call it Freudian Field Day... > >-Alex S. > > >At 4:57 PM -0300 10/3/02, Matthias Grob wrote: >>>The piezo mic is two thin layers of metal, with a layer >>>of ceramic between. Typically 1 to 2 centimeters in diameter, >>>and less than a millimeter thick. When the element flexes, >>>a tiny amount of electricity is generated. >> >>they react on pressure in the first place. In a lighter, you press >>on them and the resulting voltage is so hight that a spark results. >> >>>A pre-amp is >>>needed. >> >>the impedance depends on size. Its always bigger for low >>frequencies, so a small element for full range needs about 2Megohm >>input impedance. If you have a big element and/or dont need the low >>frequencies, it can be much lower. >> >>>As far as I know, they work best on large, flat surfaces >>>that resonate with the sound. >> >>between an activator and the base they work even better. >> >>>The prime example is the front of an accoustic guitar. >> >>better example is the bridge, between string and body. You can get >>several volts there. >> >>>A flute probably won't work. >> >>yes, air movement is not enough, it takes a vibrating hard >>material. The tube of a flute vibrates but maybe not enough. >> >>> >>>However, what is so cool about them is that they are cheap >>>if you make your own, which is pretty easy. Buy the bare >>>element, or disassemble a Radio Shack buzzer, attach the >>>wires, and you've only spent a couple bucks. Stick it to your >>>instrument and see what happens. Try different spots, and >>>wire two together for fun. I plan to embed a couple >>>inside a hollow body kalimba I'm building. >>> >>> >>>I originally found via Google some long posts from an >>>guitar discussion group on the topic, but much instruction >>>isn't needed because it is so easy. >>> >>>Yours in rhythm, >>>Steve >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 16:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07898; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:20:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:20:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:20:14 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Ritsu Katsumata review In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, I just received both CDs from our list member Ritsu Katsumata. I purchased them on line from www.cdbaby.com Anyway, I'm writing to say I have not heard the second one (I don't know what order they were recorded in) but I like the first one SO much I wish I could play them both at the same time into a second brain because I like it that much! Or maybe just play them really slow so they last..... anyway: Amazing work. Not sure if there's much looping (a lot of violin, so it may just be sustain and reverb, loops?) but who cares!? It's great music! He's mentioned he just got a RC20, I can't wait to see what he comes up with using that tool. Not sure if I want to compare it to anyone, but if you like groovalicious instrumental stuff in the progressive jazz/rock genera this is for you. There are clips on the site, and none of the other tracks I've listened to thus far don't live up to the sample tracks. My advise is to walk, don't run to your computer (as you'd run into it and knock it over) and get out your credit card. You won't be disappointed. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 16:51:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09641; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:50:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:50:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c26cb0$cf0b3fa0$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C26C76.22ADEE40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021005175529.20426.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C26C76.22ADEE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have synced my EDP to Acid 4 and it works great- also you can use MidiYoke to sync Acid and Reason together- very cool. As far as triggering Acid with the EDP that will take some ingenuity as Acid only slaves to midi time code and the EDP outputs midi clock. I'm sure MidiOx could take the clock and output time code but I have noticed as much as I love MidiOx it seems to be quite a resource hog. Ther is Midi Translator also which I have never used- I'm sure there are other ways- let us know what you come up with! Cliff A few notes- Acid must be enabled to slave when you open it- you also need to have the i/o set up correctly in preferences- www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Hi, I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light. I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it. Anyone have experience with this??? Thanks! Bradley Fish _____ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C26C76.22ADEE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have synced my EDP to Acid 4 and = it works great- also you can use MidiYoke to sync Acid and Reason together- = very cool. As far as triggering Acid with the EDP that will take some = ingenuity as Acid only slaves to midi time code and the EDP outputs midi clock. = I’m sure MidiOx could take the clock and output time code but I have noticed = as much as I love MidiOx it seems to be quite a resource hog. Ther is Midi Translator also which I have never used- I’m sure there are other = ways- let us know what you come up with!

 

Cliff

 

A few notes- Acid must be enabled = to slave when you open it- you also need to have the i/o set up correctly in preferences-  

 

www.om-studios.com

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October = 05, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ACID as = "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

Hi,

I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go = light.

I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop = drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP = via my midiman midisport 1x1.

I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP = exists or slave to it.

Anyone have experience with this??? =

Thanks!

Bradley Fish

 


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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C26C76.22ADEE40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 16:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10125; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:56:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:56:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C26C76.DBB26EC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021005175529.20426.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C26C76.DBB26EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bradley, Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com ? Go to Community. You'll probably have to "sign up"- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly "arrived" and you're really losing out on what Acid can offer you. Lot's of cool people, and cool artists, there. Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam "Deejay Spike" aka RUNT Buckley, Paul J. "Spinelab" Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman.. Can't name them all.. Doc Lozano. Anton Vishnyak.. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL). blah blah. Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine. Regards, MIKO (PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko) -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Hi, I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light. I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it. Anyone have experience with this??? Thanks! Bradley Fish _____ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C26C76.DBB26EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Br= adley,

 

Wh= y have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com?  Go to Community.  You’ll probably have to = “sign up”- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the = Acid Planet Community- you have hardly “arrived” and you’re = really losing out on what Acid can offer you.  = Lot’s of cool people, and cool artists, there.  Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style = Girl, Sam “Deejay Spike” aka RUNT <sic> Buckley, Paul J. = “Spinelab” Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman…. Can’t name them all…. Doc = Lozano…  Anton Vishnyak…. Ross = Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL)… blah = blah…

 

Fi= nally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for = the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search = engine.

 

Re= gards,

 

MI= KO

 

(P= S: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at = www.mp3.com/miko)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October = 05, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ACID as = "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

Hi, <= /p>

I'm taking my laptop overseas and = want to go light.

I am trying to get my ACID = (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my = EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. <= /p>

I can't get ACID to recognize = that the EDP exists or slave to it.

Anyone have experience with = this??? <= /p>

Thanks! <= /p>

Bradley Fish<= /p>

 <= /p>


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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C26C76.DBB26EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 19:54:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22329; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:51:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021005235034.61740.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:50:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-612287474-1033861834=:61070" Resent-Message-ID: <_n3pZC.A.hbF.Pr3n9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-612287474-1033861834=:61070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet. Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more... but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by EDP w/midisport thang! Thanks All! Bradley Fish MIKO wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Bradley, Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com? Go to Community. You’ll probably have to “sign up”- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly “arrived” and you’re really losing out on what Acid can offer you. Lot’s of cool people, and cool artists, there. Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam “Deejay Spike” aka RUNT Buckley, Paul J. “Spinelab” Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman…. Can’t name them all…. Doc Lozano… Anton Vishnyak…. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL)… blah blah… Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine. Regards, MIKO (PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko) -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Hi, I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light. I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it. Anyone have experience with this??? Thanks! Bradley Fish --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-612287474-1033861834=:61070 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet.

Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more...

but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by EDP w/midisport thang!

Thanks All!

Bradley Fish

 

 

 

 

 MIKO wrote:

Bradley,

 

Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com?  Go to Community.  You’ll probably have to “sign up”- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly “arrived” and you’re really losing out on what Acid can offer you.  Lot’s of cool people, and cool artists, there.  Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam “Deejay Spike” aka RUNT <sic> Buckley, Paul J. “Spinelab” Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman…. Can’t name them all…. Doc Lozano…  Anton Vishnyak…. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL)… blah blah…

 

Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine.

 

Regards,

 

MIKO

 

(PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

Hi,

I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light.

I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1.

I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it.

Anyone have experience with this???

Thanks!

Bradley Fish

 


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faith.yahoo.com --0-612287474-1033861834=:61070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 20:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25572; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:22:52 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C26C93.D6261ED0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021005235034.61740.qmail@web21205.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_4eFJ.A.TOG.JK4n9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C26C93.D6261ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet. Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more... but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by EDP w/midisport thang! Thanks All! Bradley Fish MIKO wrote: Bradley, Sounds fun. You may someday here a some from me that uses your loops. I' ve never gotten a contract so I've never gotten royalties so, because of that and really just because of that, I hope your loops are royalty-free. It's only fair to me, and to you, who gets to hear what I'll do with a Chinese zither. Are you Chinese? Actually, it doesn't matter, except, if you're not, you might not have been raised so deeply in zither-playing tradition and culture that I'd have to eat the guilt for lack of authenticity, despite your good intentions, later. Has a Chinese person labeled your zither work to be authentic? -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 4:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com ? Go to Community. Youll probably have to sign up- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly arrived and youre really losing out on what Acid can offer you. Lots of cool people, and cool artists, there. Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam Deejay Spike aka RUNT Buckley, Paul J. Spinelab Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman. Cant name them all. Doc Lozano Anton Vishnyak. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL) blah blah Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine. Regards, MIKO (PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko) -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo..com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Hi, I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light. I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it. Anyone have experience with this??? Thanks! Bradley Fish _____ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com _____ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C26C93.D6261ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet.=20

Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through = Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese = Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more...

but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if = anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by = EDP w/midisport thang!

Thanks All!

Bradley Fish

 

 

 

 

 MIKO wrote:

Bradley,

So= unds fun.  You may someday here = a some from me that uses your loops.  = I’ve never gotten a contract so I’ve never gotten royalties so, because = of that and really just because of that, I hope your loops are royalty-free.  It’s only fair to me, = and to you, who gets to hear what I’ll do with a Chinese zither.  Are you Chinese?  Actually, it doesn’t matter, except, if you’re not, = you might not have been raised so deeply in zither-playing tradition and culture that = I’d have to eat the guilt for lack of authenticity, despite your good intentions, later.  Has a Chinese = person labeled your zither work to be = authentic?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October = 05, 2002 4:51 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: ACID as = "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

 <= /p>

 

Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com?  Go to Community.  You=12ll probably have to = =13sign up=14- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the = Acid Planet Community- you have hardly =13arrived=14 and you=12re really = losing out on what Acid can offer you.  = Lot=12s of cool people, and cool artists, there.  Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style = Girl, Sam =13Deejay Spike=14 aka RUNT <sic> Buckley, Paul J. = =13Spinelab=14 Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman. Can=12t name them all. Doc = Lozano  Anton Vishnyak. Ross Brodie = (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL) blah = blah

 

Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for = the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search = engine.

 

Regards,

 

MIKO

 

(PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at = www.mp3.com/miko)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo..com]
Sent: Saturday, October = 05, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ACID as = "drum machine" slave to EDP???
<= /p>

 <= /p>

Hi, <= /p>

I'm taking my laptop overseas and = want to go light.

I am trying to get my ACID = (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my = EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. <= /p>

I can't get ACID to recognize = that the EDP exists or slave to it.

Anyone have experience with = this??? <= /p>

Thanks! <= /p>

Bradley Fish<= /p>

 <= /p>


Do you Yahoo!?
Faith Hill - Exclusive = Performances, Videos, & more
faith.yahoo.com
<= /p>

 <= /p>


Do = you Yahoo!?
Faith Hill - Exclusive = Performances, Videos, & more
faith.yahoo.com
<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C26C93.D6261ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 20:32:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26224; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:32:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: piezo mics and midi dancers Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:31:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C26C95.078CA560" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021005185245.36094.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C26C95.078CA560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That idea turns me on a bit more. LOL -----Original Message----- From: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:53 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: piezo mics and midi dancers Ha, my level of kit competance is twisting two wires together. I'm not sure the 'midibrain' even does what I want. An interesting device to me would be a smooth hand-held object which could be squeezed to eventually send midi cc messages to a repeater to change the pitch of one track. So if I could embed a piezo electric in something and change current to the range of resistance usable by a MidiSolutions converter I'd have it. Otherwise, the hand-held device contains a potentiometer which is twisted or slid to achieve the control. Since I'd like this to be used by a dancer it needs to be simple and easy to hold and manipulate. Incidentally(on topic content) I could be sitting with my foot on the record button to loop something interesting a dancer creates. Yours in rhythm, Steve >Steve, if you're a DIY, kit-building kind of guy, you might >want to check >out the PAIA MIDI Brain kit: > http://www.paia.com/midibrn.htm#thumdrum ----- Original Message ----- From: "SRice" < srice44@yahoo.com > To: < loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: < alex@pixar.com >; < matthias@grob.org > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:32 PM Subject: piezo mics and midi dancers > > Wow, the piezo mic information is getting great! > I'm glad that! some people who really know what they > are talking about are here. I don't know much > except I was able to rig one up in a couple of > minutes. > > Now for what would be _really_ exciting- a > convergence of the midi controller and piezo > threads. > > Using the MidiSolutions box, I can use a potentiometer > to send midi cc commands. Is it possible, (holding > my breath) to have a piezo electric transducer > vary a resistance, which drives the midi box... > > I'm sure somehow it could be done, so the question > is really is it inexpensive, and easy enough that > someone would actually send a circuit diagram? > > Yours in rhythm, > Steve > _____ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C26C95.078CA560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Th= at idea turns me on a bit more.   = LOL

 

-----Original Message-----
From: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October = 05, 2002 11:53 AM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: re: piezo mics = and midi dancers

 

Ha, my level of kit competance is = twisting two wires together.

I'm not sure the 'midibrain' even does what I want.  An interesting device to = me would<= /p>

be a smooth hand-held object = which could be squeezed to eventually send<= /p>

midi cc messages to a repeater to = change the pitch of one track. <= /p>

So if I could embed a piezo = electric in something and change current to<= /p>

the range of resistance usable by = a MidiSolutions converter I'd have it.<= /p>

Otherwise,  the hand-held = device contains a potentiometer which is twisted<= /p>

or slid to achieve the = control.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Since I'd like this to be used by = a dancer it needs to be simple and easy to hold<= /p>

and = manipulate.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Incidentally(on topic = content)  I could be sitting with my foot on the record button<= /p>

to loop something interesting a = dancer creates.

 <= /p>

Yours in = rhythm,<= /p>

Steve<= /p>

 <= /p>

 <= /p>

>Steve, if you're a DIY, = kit-building kind of guy, you might
>want to check
>out the PAIA MIDI Brain kit:
>http://www.paia.com/midibrn.htm#thumdrum
<= /p>

----- Original Message -----
From: "SRice" <srice44@yahoo.com>
To: <loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com&= gt;
Cc: <alex@pixar.com>; <matthias@grob.org>
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:32 PM
Subject: piezo mics and midi dancers


>
> Wow, the piezo mic information is getting great!
> I'm glad that! some people who really know what they
> are talking about are here.  I don't know much
> except I was able to rig one up in a couple of
> minutes.
>
> Now for what would be _really_ exciting- a
> convergence of the midi controller and piezo
> threads.
>
> Using the MidiSolutions box, I can use a potentiometer
> to send midi cc commands.  Is it possible, (holding
> my breath) to have a piezo electric transducer
> vary a resistance, which drives the midi box...
>
> I'm sure somehow it could be done, so the question
> is really is it inexpensive, and easy enough that
> someone would actually send a circuit diagram?
>
> Yours in rhythm,
> Steve
>

 <= /p>


Do = you Yahoo!?
Faith Hill - Exclusive = Performances, Videos, & more
faith.yahoo.com
<= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C26C95.078CA560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 20:56:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27433; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:56:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:56:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rk93@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:56:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ritsu Katsumata Subject: Re: Ritsu Katsumata review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm blushing-- thanks for the ego boost (and I don't have to pay you for this, right?) But I just want to clarify that I am a "she" not a "he", and to let people know that I'm playing in NYC (Nov 1 @ Living Room 11PM) if anyone's interested. There's no looping on these albums-- a few songs had two tracks of violin playing. I'm just starting to work with the RC20, and have an idea for a bizarre cover of Ozzie Osbourne's Crazy Train using it. Robby Aceto (fellow looper poster) and I are starting a collaborative album soon (yes Robby, I'm putting you on the spot now-- ) so the new album will, I'm sure, be full of interesting loop work-- Thanks again, Ritsu >Hey kids, > >I just received both CDs from our list member Ritsu Katsumata. I >purchased them on line from www.cdbaby.com > >Anyway, I'm writing to say I have not heard the second one (I don't >know what order they were recorded in) but I like the first one SO much >I wish I could play them both at the same time into a second brain >because I like it that much! Or maybe just play them really slow so >they last..... anyway: Amazing work. Not sure if there's much looping >(a lot of violin, so it may just be sustain and reverb, loops?) but >who cares!? It's great music! He's mentioned he just got a RC20, I >can't wait to see what he comes up with using that tool. > >Not sure if I want to compare it to anyone, but if you like >groovalicious instrumental stuff in the progressive jazz/rock genera >this is for you. There are clips on the site, and none of the other >tracks I've listened to thus far don't live up to the sample tracks. > >My advise is to walk, don't run to your computer (as you'd run into >it and knock it >over) and get out your credit card. You won't be disappointed. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 21:51:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31328; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:48:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:48:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:50:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: CD sales again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yesterday I was at a concert of a not top selling but highly respected artist of Salvador: Geronimo. He announced on stage: "You can buy my CD for the price of the Camelo (street booth) with the quality of the industry, for R$ 5 (= US$ 1.30 !!)" -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 21:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31511; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:52:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:52:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Ritsu Katsumata review Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:51:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If someone's going to get it on with you, gender WILL matter- excluding the obnoxious pressure of non-listening non-comprehending peers who think that sexuality or attraction is a decision or a life choice EQUIVALENT to religion - which also differs from spiritual presence/existence- and excluding people who are trying to use sexuality or perceived sexual attractions to trap, label, or pinpoint you... Otherwise, why would gender, or ambiguity of gender, matter? To discuss it is to place the burden of misinterpretation on your music. And if you have a reason for being over-specific about gender when sex is not involved, lay down the proof- or show me the video where the laying down occurs. LOL I'm going to check out your music, with no sense that I'd be using your music as a way of determining your sexiness other than through the quality of your actual being expressed through it, but now I'm burdened by knowing your gender and that makes it less fun when the judgmental nature of the human mind, sometimes not completely under our control, gets to have its funny little opinion expressed... -----Original Message----- From: Ritsu Katsumata [mailto:rk93@cornell.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 5:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ritsu Katsumata review I'm blushing-- thanks for the ego boost (and I don't have to pay you for this, right?) But I just want to clarify that I am a "she" not a "he", and to let people know that I'm playing in NYC (Nov 1 @ Living Room 11PM) if anyone's interested. There's no looping on these albums-- a few songs had two tracks of violin playing. I'm just starting to work with the RC20, and have an idea for a bizarre cover of Ozzie Osbourne's Crazy Train using it. Robby Aceto (fellow looper poster) and I are starting a collaborative album soon (yes Robby, I'm putting you on the spot now-- ) so the new album will, I'm sure, be full of interesting loop work-- Thanks again, Ritsu >Hey kids, > >I just received both CDs from our list member Ritsu Katsumata. I >purchased them on line from www.cdbaby.com > >Anyway, I'm writing to say I have not heard the second one (I don't >know what order they were recorded in) but I like the first one SO much >I wish I could play them both at the same time into a second brain >because I like it that much! Or maybe just play them really slow so >they last..... anyway: Amazing work. Not sure if there's much looping >(a lot of violin, so it may just be sustain and reverb, loops?) but >who cares!? It's great music! He's mentioned he just got a RC20, I >can't wait to see what he comes up with using that tool. > >Not sure if I want to compare it to anyone, but if you like >groovalicious instrumental stuff in the progressive jazz/rock genera >this is for you. There are clips on the site, and none of the other >tracks I've listened to thus far don't live up to the sample tracks. > >My advise is to walk, don't run to your computer (as you'd run into >it and knock it >over) and get out your credit card. You won't be disappointed. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 21:58:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31643; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Ritsu Katsumata review Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 18:54:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <2HsvW.A.QuH.nf5n9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know you threw the "I'm blushing" in there just to come off as ultra girly or something like that... but that's me knowing, not you being... ah, but in saying it, I can't help myself... -----Original Message----- From: Ritsu Katsumata [mailto:rk93@cornell.edu] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 5:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ritsu Katsumata review I'm blushing-- thanks for the ego boost (and I don't have to pay you for this, right?) But I just want to clarify that I am a "she" not a "he", and to let people know that I'm playing in NYC (Nov 1 @ Living Room 11PM) if anyone's interested. There's no looping on these albums-- a few songs had two tracks of violin playing. I'm just starting to work with the RC20, and have an idea for a bizarre cover of Ozzie Osbourne's Crazy Train using it. Robby Aceto (fellow looper poster) and I are starting a collaborative album soon (yes Robby, I'm putting you on the spot now-- ) so the new album will, I'm sure, be full of interesting loop work-- Thanks again, Ritsu >Hey kids, > >I just received both CDs from our list member Ritsu Katsumata. I >purchased them on line from www.cdbaby.com > >Anyway, I'm writing to say I have not heard the second one (I don't >know what order they were recorded in) but I like the first one SO much >I wish I could play them both at the same time into a second brain >because I like it that much! Or maybe just play them really slow so >they last..... anyway: Amazing work. Not sure if there's much looping >(a lot of violin, so it may just be sustain and reverb, loops?) but >who cares!? It's great music! He's mentioned he just got a RC20, I >can't wait to see what he comes up with using that tool. > >Not sure if I want to compare it to anyone, but if you like >groovalicious instrumental stuff in the progressive jazz/rock genera >this is for you. There are clips on the site, and none of the other >tracks I've listened to thus far don't live up to the sample tracks. > >My advise is to walk, don't run to your computer (as you'd run into >it and knock it >over) and get out your credit card. You won't be disappointed. > >Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 22:41:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02404; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:37:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:37:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:37:19 -0500 Subject: Re: rds-8000 repair question | rds 7.6 mod Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Eric Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <89004370-D8D4-11D6-9BA4-003065681302@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 01:02 AM, adam wrote: > I have an rds-8000 i just picked up on ebay. The unit allows a clean > signal > to pass through but no delay. I'm familiar with the layout so it's not > a > funny, my RDS-8000 passed no dry signal but delayed great. haha. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 23:05:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04583; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:04:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:04:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021006030405.90713.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-792477967-1033873445=:90262" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-792477967-1033873445=:90262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hehehe...there are also some sitar licks, wah banjo, heavy metal dulcimer thru a Marshall stack, German Concert Zither, Guitar synth...not trying to be culturally authentic, Miko, just jamming for y'all! It's authentic in that it grooves...Yah, It's all royalty free stuff and in a few weeks there should be some FREE loop downloads on my site that you can do anything you like with! I'll post a notice when that happens...I'd love to hear what you do with it! MIKO wrote: Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet. Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more... but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by EDP w/midisport thang! Thanks All! Bradley Fish MIKO wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Bradley, v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Sounds fun. You may someday here a some from me that uses your loops. I’ve never gotten a contract so I’ve never gotten royalties so, because of that and really just because of that, I hope your loops are royalty-free. It’s only fair to me, and to you, who gets to hear what I’ll do with a Chinese zither. Are you Chinese? Actually, it doesn’t matter, except, if you’re not, you might not have been raised so deeply in zither-playing tradition and culture that I’d have to eat the guilt for lack of authenticity, despite your good intentions, later. Has a Chinese person labeled your zither work to be authentic? -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 4:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com? Go to Community. Youll probably have to sign up- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly arrived and youre really losing out on what Acid can offer you. Lots of cool people, and cool artists, there. Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam Deejay Spike aka RUNT Buckley, Paul J. Spinelab Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman. Cant name them all. Doc Lozano Anton Vishnyak. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL) blah blah Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine. Regards, MIKO (PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko) -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo..com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Hi, I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light. I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it. Anyone have experience with this??? Thanks! Bradley Fish --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-792477967-1033873445=:90262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

hehehe...there are also some sitar licks, wah banjo, heavy metal dulcimer thru a Marshall stack, German Concert Zither, Guitar synth...not trying to be culturally authentic, Miko, just jamming for y'all! It's authentic in that it grooves...Yah, It's all royalty free stuff and in a few weeks there should be some FREE loop downloads on my site that you can do anything you like with! I'll post a notice when that happens...I'd love to hear what you do with it!

 MIKO wrote:

Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet.

Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more...

but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by EDP w/midisport thang!

Thanks All!

Bradley Fish

 MIKO wrote:

Bradley,

Sounds fun.  You may someday here a some from me that uses your loops.  I’ve never gotten a contract so I’ve never gotten royalties so, because of that and really just because of that, I hope your loops are royalty-free.  It’s only fair to me, and to you, who gets to hear what I’ll do with a Chinese zither.  Are you Chinese?  Actually, it doesn’t matter, except, if you’re not, you might not have been raised so deeply in zither-playing tradition and culture that I’d have to eat the guilt for lack of authenticity, despite your good intentions, later.  Has a Chinese person labeled your zither work to be authentic?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 4:51 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

 

 

Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com?  Go to Community.  Youll probably have to sign up- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly arrived and youre really losing out on what Acid can offer you.  Lots of cool people, and cool artists, there.  Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam Deejay Spike aka RUNT <sic> Buckley, Paul J. Spinelab Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman. Cant name them all. Doc Lozano  Anton Vishnyak. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL) blah blah

 

Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine.

 

Regards,

 

MIKO

 

(PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo..com]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

Hi,

I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light.

I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1.

I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it.

Anyone have experience with this???

Thanks!

Bradley Fish

 


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faith.yahoo.com --0-792477967-1033873445=:90262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 23:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04584; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:04:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:04:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021006030401.90705.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-25648846-1033873441=:90268" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-25648846-1033873441=:90268 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hehehe...there are also some sitar licks, wah banjo, heavy metal dulcimer thru a Marshall stack, German Concert Zither, Guitar synth...not trying to be culturally authentic, Miko, just jamming for y'all! It's authentic in that it grooves...Yah, It's all royalty free stuff and in a few weeks there should be some FREE loop downloads on my site that you can do anything you like with! I'll post a notice when that happens...I'd love to hear what you do with it! MIKO wrote: Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet. Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more... but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by EDP w/midisport thang! Thanks All! Bradley Fish MIKO wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Bradley, v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Sounds fun. You may someday here a some from me that uses your loops. I’ve never gotten a contract so I’ve never gotten royalties so, because of that and really just because of that, I hope your loops are royalty-free. It’s only fair to me, and to you, who gets to hear what I’ll do with a Chinese zither. Are you Chinese? Actually, it doesn’t matter, except, if you’re not, you might not have been raised so deeply in zither-playing tradition and culture that I’d have to eat the guilt for lack of authenticity, despite your good intentions, later. Has a Chinese person labeled your zither work to be authentic? -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 4:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com? Go to Community. Youll probably have to sign up- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly arrived and youre really losing out on what Acid can offer you. Lots of cool people, and cool artists, there. Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam Deejay Spike aka RUNT Buckley, Paul J. Spinelab Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman. Cant name them all. Doc Lozano Anton Vishnyak. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL) blah blah Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine. Regards, MIKO (PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko) -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo..com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP??? Hi, I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light. I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1. I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it. Anyone have experience with this??? Thanks! Bradley Fish --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-25648846-1033873441=:90268 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

hehehe...there are also some sitar licks, wah banjo, heavy metal dulcimer thru a Marshall stack, German Concert Zither, Guitar synth...not trying to be culturally authentic, Miko, just jamming for y'all! It's authentic in that it grooves...Yah, It's all royalty free stuff and in a few weeks there should be some FREE loop downloads on my site that you can do anything you like with! I'll post a notice when that happens...I'd love to hear what you do with it!

 MIKO wrote:

Nice suggestion, I just posted the same question on acidplanet.

Funny thing is I have my first loop library coming out through Sonic Foundry in 10 days...It's called "Bradley Fish Unstrung" - Chinese Zithers, Dulcimers, 7 string guitars, and a lot more...

but I'm really a newbie with the program itself. Still interested if anyone here has done the ACID as drum machine triggered by EDP w/midisport thang!

Thanks All!

Bradley Fish

 MIKO wrote:

Bradley,

Sounds fun.  You may someday here a some from me that uses your loops.  I’ve never gotten a contract so I’ve never gotten royalties so, because of that and really just because of that, I hope your loops are royalty-free.  It’s only fair to me, and to you, who gets to hear what I’ll do with a Chinese zither.  Are you Chinese?  Actually, it doesn’t matter, except, if you’re not, you might not have been raised so deeply in zither-playing tradition and culture that I’d have to eat the guilt for lack of authenticity, despite your good intentions, later.  Has a Chinese person labeled your zither work to be authentic?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 4:51 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

 

 

Why have you not asked this at www.acidplanet.com?  Go to Community.  Youll probably have to sign up- but really- if you own Acid, and have not signed up to use or be part of the Acid Planet Community- you have hardly arrived and youre really losing out on what Acid can offer you.  Lots of cool people, and cool artists, there.  Check out Microphone Fly, Shady Neighbor, Charles Rathmann, Style Girl, Sam Deejay Spike aka RUNT <sic> Buckley, Paul J. Spinelab Taylor, PADUC, Patient X, Neil Palfreyman. Cant name them all. Doc Lozano  Anton Vishnyak. Ross Brodie (is also Style Girl is also a REBEL) blah blah

 

Finally note that Sonic Foundry has, somewhere, on some web site, a tutorial for the program, and is bound to have a Solutions Center with a search engine.

 

Regards,

 

MIKO

 

(PS: you could also here a song or two of mine (others are at www.mp3.com/miko)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo..com]
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:55 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ACID as "drum machine" slave to EDP???

 

Hi,

I'm taking my laptop overseas and want to go light.

I am trying to get my ACID (4.0) loop drum beats (in place of a drum machine) to be triggered my my EDP via my midiman midisport 1x1.

I can't get ACID to recognize that the EDP exists or slave to it.

Anyone have experience with this???

Thanks!

Bradley Fish

 


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faith.yahoo.com --0-25648846-1033873441=:90268-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 23:06:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04914; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021006030625.89953.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: CD sales again To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-930232723-1033873585=:88554" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-930232723-1033873585=:88554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow, a buck and thirty cents for a CD! Way to get it out to the people!!! BF Matthias Grob wrote:yesterday I was at a concert of a not top selling but highly respected artist of Salvador: Geronimo. He announced on stage: "You can buy my CD for the price of the Camelo (street booth) with the quality of the industry, for R$ 5 (= US$ 1.30 !!)" -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-930232723-1033873585=:88554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Wow, a buck and thirty cents for a CD! Way to get it out to the people!!!  

BF 

Matthias Grob wrote:

yesterday I was at a concert of a not top selling but highly
respected artist of Salvador: Geronimo.

He announced on stage: "You can buy my CD for the price of the Camelo
(street booth) with the quality of the industry, for R$ 5 (= US$ 1.30
!!)"
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faith.yahoo.com --0-930232723-1033873585=:88554-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 23:25:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05557; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:19:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:19:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021006030625.89953.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021006030625.89953.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:21:29 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: CD sales again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6CiBw.A.tWB.9u6n9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Wow, a buck and thirty cents for a CD! Way to get it out to the people!!! In the shops they are still about 20-35 R$, but when I recently offered mine at a concert for 20, everybody turned away as if I was a betrayer and someone said: you will be copied on the road! And I sold them for this same price for 5 years, being that we have a pretty strong inflation here so the value of the R$ fell to about 1/3 in this time! > >BF > >Matthias Grob wrote: > >yesterday I was at a concert of a not top selling but highly >respected artist of Salvador: Geronimo. > >He announced on stage: "You can buy my CD for the price of the Camelo >(street booth) with the quality of the industry, for R$ 5 (= US$ 1.30 >!!)" >-- > > >---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more >faith.yahoo.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 5 23:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05910; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:27:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:27:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:29:18 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT to Performer users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry, I am pretty unexperienced in this program and it fools me badly: I did an edit on only one track plus Reverb with automation and when it sounded nice I did Bounce to Disk. There is no way to produce a stereo file, is that right? In the resulting file, there was just silence. Why could that be? So I reopened the session and all was still there, sounding right, exept for the last fade. So I wanted to do it and typed by habit cmd-f and saw the wrong window (some MIDI filtering) and closed it and -- there were no sound bits arround any more! I certainly did not have them all selected and certainly did not delete... So I did Revert, but still no sound was there at all, just blank windows! On the Soundbits windows they are still, though. But I certainly did not Save after the bits had gone (the modification date proves this). Any way to fix this? Any one went through such a cruel experience? thank you Matthias -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 00:03:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA09228; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 01:04:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT to Performer users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I went back to that window and realized it had clicked Clear thinking it was Cancel... :-( sorry. but there is still the question of the stereo file, and the empty mix... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 02:49:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18600; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 02:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 02:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 03:50:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: OT to Performer users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_5tlqB.A.TiE.qy9n9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ok, I found the mixing error: the wrong output was selected in bounce window. sorry again... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 04:23:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24937; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 04:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 04:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: CD sales again Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 01:19:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C26CD6.651FA8D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021006030625.89953.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C26CD6.651FA8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hopefully it's good and finished enough for playback at that price. I know my music isn't. -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 8:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD sales again Wow, a buck and thirty cents for a CD! Way to get it out to the people!!! BF Matthias Grob wrote: yesterday I was at a concert of a not top selling but highly respected artist of Salvador: Geronimo. He announced on stage: "You can buy my CD for the price of the Camelo (street booth) with the quality of the industry, for R$ 5 (= US$ 1.30 !!)" -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org _____ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C26CD6.651FA8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ho= pefully it’s good and finished enough for playback at that price.  I know my music = isn’t.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Fish [mailto:bradleyfishmusic@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, October = 05, 2002 8:06 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: CD sales = again

 

Wow, a buck and thirty cents for = a CD! Way to get it out to the people!!!   <= /p>

BF  <= /p>

Matthias Grob = wrote: <= /p>

yesterday I was at a concert of a not top selling but highly
respected artist of Salvador: Geronimo.

He announced on stage: "You can buy my CD for the price of the = Camelo
(street booth) with the quality of the industry, for R$ 5 (=3D US$ 1.30 =
!!)"
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<= /p>

 <= /p>


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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C26CD6.651FA8D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 14:44:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04432; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:38:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Ritsu Katsumata review In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko, don't be a dork. Listen to the music. Like it if you do, don't if you don't. When Walter Carlos turned to Wendy, did it matter? For a long time I thought Kim was a woman. He's a man. Big deal. I'm sure if I said, "She's a great hardware designer..." he would have corrected me, but what-ever. My ignorance of the implied gender of her name (is there one?) was a mistake based on ignorance, as opposed to a mistake based on stupidity and social retardation, like the one described below. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 06:51 PM, MIKO wrote: > And if you have a reason for being > over-specific about gender when sex is not involved, lay down the > proof- or > show me the video where the laying down occurs. LOL > I'm burdened by knowing > your gender and that makes it less fun when the judgmental nature of > the > human mind, sometimes not completely under our control, gets to have > its > funny little opinion expressed... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 15:45:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08549; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:41:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c26d70$a55b8b40$1b2a5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: Subject: Re: Ritsu Katsumata review Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:43:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark said: > For a long time I thought Kim was a woman. He's a man. Big deal. Wait a minute! You mean he's not Korean ? ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 15:55:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09024; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: OT: first names and given names... Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:52:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c26d71$e9e3fd00$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, I guess the gender of the name is there if you figure out what is the family name and what the given name...:-) I like these misunderstandings we face all the time in today's "interracial" world...and there are lots of those, like the teachers at my former grammar school (one of them a Latin teacher btw) who thought that "Luca" was a girl because, all first names ending on "a" are females (as exemplified by the famous composer Andrea Gabrieli). And it really gets interesting with outer-occidental cultures where first names aren't necessarily given names... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > corrected me, but what-ever. My ignorance of the implied > gender of her > name (is there one?) was a mistake based on ignorance, as > opposed to a > mistake based on stupidity and social retardation, like the one > described below. > > Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 16:27:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11852; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:25:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:25:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ClaudeMorrow@aol.com Message-ID: <47.246ea4f2.2ad1f600@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:24:32 EDT Subject: Need Help with EDP & FCB 1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_47.246ea4f2.2ad1f600_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10641 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_47.246ea4f2.2ad1f600_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro and the Behringer FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller. Could someone please give me step by step instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front Panel Buttons of the EDP. I've tried everything I know how with no success. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. claude --part1_47.246ea4f2.2ad1f600_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro and the Behringer FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller.  Could someone please give me step by step instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front Panel Buttons of the EDP.  I've tried everything I know how with no success.  Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

claude
--part1_47.246ea4f2.2ad1f600_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 17:26:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17113; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:23:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:23:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021006212300.22350.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Need Help with EDP & FCB 1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47.246ea4f2.2ad1f600@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-714001715-1033939380=:22234" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-714001715-1033939380=:22234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you might try searching the LD archives...i think this has been discussed a lot. -jim ClaudeMorrow@aol.com wrote:Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro and the Behringer FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller. Could someone please give me step by step instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front Panel Buttons of the EDP. I've tried everything I know how with no success. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. claude --0-714001715-1033939380=:22234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

you might try searching the LD archives...i think this has been discussed a lot.

-jim

 ClaudeMorrow@aol.com wrote:

Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro and the Behringer FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller.  Could someone please give me step by step instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front Panel Buttons of the EDP.  I've tried everything I know how with no success.  Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

claude
--0-714001715-1033939380=:22234-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 17:52:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19013; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021006144415.039f0e70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 14:50:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Q involving using Boss FV-50L as EDP feedback pedal. In-Reply-To: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778AC@Entcoexch15> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:02 PM 10/3/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >Hi- > >I'm having problems getting said pedal to work as my feedback pedal on my >EDP. I have read in the archives that it does work, and should work well, >so i might be missing something. I'm running the latest EDP software. > >As i connect or disconnect the FV-50L, the feedback reading of 127 shows >briefly and then, goes away. However, any operation of the pedal does not >cause the EDP to blink or anything. It seems to know that a pedal has been >connected, because the feedback knob is disabled, but nothing happens. the pedal should work fine. possible problems: - the little adjustment knob on the FV-50L got moved, it should be set to 0. - make sure you are using a mono cable, not TRS - make sure you have the cable in the "out" jack of the FV-50L - try a different cable, maybe there is a bad connection. also there is info on echoplex pedals at looper's delight: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 17:59:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19651; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:56:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 17:56:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021006145416.026527d8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 14:56:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP multiply question In-Reply-To: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778AD@Entcoexch15> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:12 PM 10/3/2002, Lanpheer, James A wrote: >A question about using multiply with the new software. I've been messing >with the parameters and such, and have created a situation in my EDP, where >i press 'Multiply' and rather than having it 'Multiply', it rests with the >'000' on the LED like its waiting for an audio signal. The loop then plays >another time and stops. The first time this happened unexpectedly, it >killed a nice loop (bummer), but i can't find what parameter is driving this >behavior. It looks like 'SamplerStyle' behavior somewhat, but i don't know. I think we need more information to help you on that one. What parameters do you have set? Do you use midi? Do you have the feedback pedal and the feedback knob turned all the way up? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 19:04:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25069; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:58:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:58:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <17d.fa9eed6.2ad21a18@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:58:32 EDT Subject: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I was just noticing all of the EDP questions on the list lately that Kim has been doing his best to respond to helpfully. In the past, I have asked a few of my own (from time to time) and Kim has always been there and always gave good advice -- no matter how "stoopid" the question might have been. Anywho, I just wanted to put in a big, public "thank you" to Kim for all of his hard work (and Matthias, et al, too) on the EDP, this list, the LD site and more -- which probably seems to them to be a pretty thankless (and darn next to totally unprofitable, sometimes) job. I am likely one of the dolts and dunderheads that don't bother to say "thank you" often enough. It is a shame too, because Kim and his partners have given a lot of personal energy (for very little payback) not just into the EDP and its community of users but also to the encouragement of looping in general (on every platform and mode imaginable). So . . . I just wanted to mount my soapbox for a brief moment or two and yell "THANK YOU!!!" at the top of my lungs. Now having done so I will bumble off into cyberspace again -- feeling much better. Best, T. Killian www.mp3.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 19:04:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26709; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:04:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:04:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021006230412.27707.qmail@web80103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17d.fa9eed6.2ad21a18@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1083092583-1033945452=:27671" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1083092583-1033945452=:27671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'll second that. without the advice of veteran edp users, i'd be sunk. so...a very big THANK YOU to kim, matthias, etc. gratefully, -jim --0-1083092583-1033945452=:27671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i'll second that.  without the advice of veteran edp users, i'd be sunk. 

so...a very big THANK YOU to kim, matthias, etc.

gratefully,

-jim

--0-1083092583-1033945452=:27671-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 19:36:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28312; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:28:10 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: first names and given names... In-reply-to: <000601c26d71$e9e3fd00$0601a8c0@SATAN> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46FC163D-D983-11D6-9B1B-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right. It's not the mistake. The mistake is inevitable. Part of being human. It's all about how you recover and if you learn. Mark On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 12:52 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hey Mark, > > I guess the gender of the name is there if you figure out what is the > family > name and what the given name...:-) > I like these misunderstandings we face all the time in today's > "interracial" > world...and there are lots of those, like the teachers at my former > grammar > school (one of them a Latin teacher btw) who thought that "Luca" was a > girl > because, all first names ending on "a" are females (as exemplified by > the > famous composer Andrea Gabrieli). And it really gets interesting with > outer-occidental cultures where first names aren't necessarily given > names... > > Rainer > > Rainer Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > >> corrected me, but what-ever. My ignorance of the implied >> gender of her >> name (is there one?) was a mistake based on ignorance, as >> opposed to a >> mistake based on stupidity and social retardation, like the one >> described below. >> >> Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 20:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31821; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:04:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:04:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:04:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <17d.fa9eed6.2ad21a18@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1XqJiD.A.PvH.N-Mo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Likewise. From me to Kim: THANK YOU! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com > -----Original Message----- > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . > > > Hi all, > > I was just noticing all of the EDP questions on the list > lately that Kim has been doing his best to respond to > helpfully. In the past, I have asked a few of my own > (from time to time) and Kim has always been there > and always gave good advice -- no matter how "stoopid" > the question might have been. > > Anywho, I just wanted to put in a big, public "thank you" > to Kim for all of his hard work (and Matthias, et al, too) > on the EDP, this list, the LD site and more -- which > probably seems to them to be a pretty thankless (and > darn next to totally unprofitable, sometimes) job. > > I am likely one of the dolts and dunderheads that don't > bother to say "thank you" often enough. It is a shame > too, because Kim and his partners have given a lot of > personal energy (for very little payback) not just into > the EDP and its community of users but also to the > encouragement of looping in general (on every platform > and mode imaginable). > > So . . . I just wanted to mount my soapbox for a brief > moment or two and yell "THANK YOU!!!" at the top of > my lungs. Now having done so I will bumble off into > cyberspace again -- feeling much better. > > Best, > > T. Killian > > www.mp3.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 20:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00446; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:19:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:19:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021006171721.03d32ce0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 17:19:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . In-Reply-To: <17d.fa9eed6.2ad21a18@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Ted, that's really nice of you. You are quite welcome! kim At 03:58 PM 10/6/2002, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >Anywho, I just wanted to put in a big, public "thank you" ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 20:36:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01733; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:36:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 20:36:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c26e61$b330d440$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <20021006212300.22350.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Need Help with EDP & FCB 1010 Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:29:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C26E40.2BDC10C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: <9JBezB.A.DY.WbNo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C26E40.2BDC10C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can see why Claude needs help figuring out the FCB1010. Behringer's = manuals are weak, although the FCB1010 is a bit better than most of the = ones I have. Regards, Paul (just bought one myself and am working to learn the pedal) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JAMES FOWLER, III=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Need Help with EDP & FCB 1010 you might try searching the LD archives...i think this has been = discussed a lot.=20 -jim=20 ClaudeMorrow@aol.com wrote:=20 Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro and the Behringer = FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller. Could someone please give me step by step = instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front Panel = Buttons of the EDP. I've tried everything I know how with no success. = Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. claude=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C26E40.2BDC10C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can see why Claude needs help = figuring out the=20 FCB1010. Behringer's manuals are weak, although the FCB1010 is a bit = better than=20 most of the ones I have.
 
Regards, Paul (just bought one myself = and am=20 working to learn the pedal)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JAMES=20 FOWLER, III
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 = 5:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: Need Help with EDP = & FCB=20 1010

you might try searching the LD archives...i think this has been = discussed a=20 lot.=20

-jim=20

 ClaudeMorrow@aol.com = wrote:=20 Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro = and the=20 Behringer FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller.  Could someone please = give me=20 step by step instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the = Front=20 Panel Buttons of the EDP.  I've tried everything I know how = with no=20 success.  Any and all help will be greatly=20 appreciated.

claude
=20

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C26E40.2BDC10C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 21:23:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05523; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:20:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c26d9f$a8874460$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a note- there is a PayPal link on the LD site- takes 2 secs and you can make your thank you material. Cliff www.om-studios.com > So . . . I just wanted to mount my soapbox for a brief > moment or two and yell "THANK YOU!!!" at the top of > my lungs. Now having done so I will bumble off into > cyberspace again -- feeling much better. > > Best, > > T. Killian > > www.mp3.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 6 21:54:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07339; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:51:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:51:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 18:47:15 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: computer based midi control In-reply-to: To: "'Dennis W. Leas'" , "'omjn'" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00d001c26da3$76c64f80$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I was wondering if anybody knows of a window based program that > > can transmit on the fly midi control changes? > You might also look at KeyKit (free!): > http://nosuch.com/keykit/ > The website seems to be down right now. It should be up now. > I think there's a few LD members > who are KeyKit users, so they could give more info than me. The keykit author (me) is an LD member, too. I can answer pretty much any question about keykit. If you tell me what kind of control messages and how you want to send them, I can show you how. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 01:38:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23769; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:35:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:35:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004b01c26d90$fa616400$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <47.246ea4f2.2ad1f600@aol.com> Subject: Re: Need Help with EDP & FCB 1010--step by step guide Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:34:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C26DA1.9EF1BC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C26DA1.9EF1BC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just sent this to Claude and thought it might be detailed enough to be = a useful post to the list:=20 =20 I didn't mean to be obscure, it's usually best to get people functioning = on their own asap. I can't find the manual, so I'll go through it on = mine: 1. With the FCB in regular mode, press the preset you want to program = so that the red light turns on. 2. press and hold the down key to enter program mode. 3. press once the up button so that the green light moves to "select" = (one to the right) 4. number 10 turns on and off the note function; press and hold it so = that the red light is on 5. you may wnat to do the same for 8 and 9, which turn on the = expression pedals. 6. if any other buttons are lit, press and hold to turn them off=20 7. press 10 once so that it blinks. you can now program it. 8. press once the up button to move to note value (the numeric display = will flash) 9. set note value with the numbered buttons. You add the offset to = the default value, so it would be 38 for record. 10 press up to finish programming the note value. =20 11. if you want to program the pedals, you select them in the same way = (pressing the relevant number once to get it to flash) , then press up = once to set the lower value, again once to set the upper value, and = again once to finish. 12. Then press and hold down to exit setup mode. 13. Repeat for other presets. (It does get faster!)=20 Bruce Comens ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ClaudeMorrow@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: Need Help with EDP & FCB 1010 Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro and the Behringer = FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller. Could someone please give me step by step = instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front Panel = Buttons of the EDP. I've tried everything I know how with no success. = Any and all help will be greatly appreciated. claude=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C26DA1.9EF1BC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just sent this to Claude and thought = it might be=20 detailed enough to be a useful post to the list: 
 
I didn't mean to be obscure, it's = usually best to=20 get people functioning on their own asap.  I can't find the manual, = so I'll=20 go through it on mine:
 
1.  With the FCB in regular mode, = press the=20 preset you want to program so that the red light turns on.
 
2.  press and hold the down key to = enter=20 program mode.
 
3.  press once the up button so = that the green=20 light moves to "select" (one to the right)
 
4.  number 10 turns on and off the = note=20 function; press and hold it so that the red light is = on
 
5.  you may wnat to do the same = for 8 and 9,=20 which turn on the expression pedals.
 
6.  if any other buttons are lit, = press and=20 hold to turn them off
 
7.  press 10 once so that it = blinks.  you=20 can now program it.
 
8.   press once the up=20 button to move to note value (the numeric display will = flash)
 
9.   set note value with the = numbered=20 buttons.  You add the offset to the default value, so it would be = 38 for=20 record.
 
10  press up to finish programming = the note=20 value. 
 
11.  if you want to program the = pedals, you=20 select them in the same way (pressing the relevant number once to get it = to=20 flash) , then press up once to set the lower value, again once to = set the=20 upper value, and again once to finish.
 
12.  Then press and hold down to = exit setup=20 mode.
 
13.  Repeat for other = presets.   (It=20 does get faster!) 
Bruce Comens
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ClaudeMorrow@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 = 10:24=20 PM
Subject: Need Help with EDP = & FCB=20 1010

Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro = and the=20 Behringer FCB1010 MidiFootcontroller.  Could someone please give = me step=20 by step instructions on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front = Panel=20 Buttons of the EDP.  I've tried everything I know how with no=20 success.  Any and all help will be greatly=20 appreciated.

claude
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C26DA1.9EF1BC80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 03:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31087; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 03:20:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 03:20:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.214.220.152] From: "Joe Dallarda" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Megaphone (offtopic?) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 07:19:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2002 07:19:25.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD6A9F60:01C26DD1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to all- the radio shack megaphone i've been using for doing vocal loops has just become a gig casualty. i was wondering, before i replace it, if any else on the list has used/is using a megaphone for vocal loops/not loops in a live situation, pointed at the stage microphone, and avoided feedback consistently. the radio shack microphone was pretty good in that sense but i thought maybe some one else might have some recommendations. thanks, j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 04:11:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA02839; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 04:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 04:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <166.1520b6b2.2ad29b69@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 04:10:17 EDT Subject: Re: Need Help with EDP & FCB 1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <053evB.A.Hs.xFUo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello, I just purchased a Echoplex Digital Pro and the Behringer FCB1010 > MidiFootcontroller. Could someone please give me step by step instructions > on how to get the FCB1010 to control the Front Panel Buttons of the EDP. It's in the LD archives Click here: Re: FCB1010 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 04:45:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04848; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 04:44:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 04:44:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021007084413.69513.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Ritsu Katsumata review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c26d70$a55b8b40$1b2a5a0c@u73x0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Mark said: > > For a long time I thought Kim was a woman. He's a > man. Big deal. > > Wait a minute! You mean he's not Korean ? ;-) No actually Eskimo,no?:-))) > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 10:19:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29318; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:06:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:06:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:55:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: OT: review in NY Rock Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1178123574==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <4PCGt.A.fGH.9PZo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1178123574==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT: shameless, self promotion, in NY Rock....The "assorted/spatial noises" are my attempts at looping, etc w/ my dod d-12.... >Hi, >NYRock.com recently reviewed your cd: >http://nyrock.com/streetbeat/2002/1002.asp Scott Hansen, d2r (=A9 2002 ANSM Inc.) So, yeah, everyone has computers now, digital recorders, and tons of blank CDs to burn. What does it mean? Well, for starters, it means I get discs like this one, with 38 tracks of fun, though that word is used facetiously. Does the fact that anyone can record mean everyone should record? It's kind of like the thousand chimps typing - one will eventually pound out Shakespeare. Anyhoo, Hansen intersperses his songs with musical interludes, meaning you get assorted noises in between the more normal verse-chorus-type songs. Is it any good? Well, spatial noises as far as art is concerned is a matter of mood - at the moment it's okay, but if I were in a shitty mood, I'd say this were just aural jerking off, and advise the guy to sell hot dogs or cut lawns for a living. As for his wordy, folky stuff, it's low-grade coffeehouse music, not well produced (the vocals clip all over the place), and what can I say? Give me two with mustard please. -- --============_-1178123574==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT: review in NY Rock
OT: shameless, self promotion, in NY Rock....The "assorted/spatial noises"
are my attempts at looping, etc w/ my dod d-12....

Hi,
NYRock.com recently reviewed your cd:
http://nyrock.com/streetbeat/2002/1002.asp


Scott Hansen, d2r (=A9 2002 ANSM Inc.)
So, yeah, everyone has computers now, digital recorders, and tons of blank CDs to burn. What does it mean? Well, for starters, it means I get discs like this one, with 38 tracks of fun, though that word is used facetiously. Does the fact that anyone can record mean everyone should record? It's kind of like the thousand chimps typing - one will eventually pound out Shakespeare. Anyhoo, Hansen intersperses his songs with musical interludes, meaning you get assorted noises in between the more normal verse-chorus-type songs. Is it any good? Well, spatial noises as far as art is concerned is a matter of mood - at the moment it's okay, but if I were in a shitty mood, I'd say this were just aural jerking off, and advise the guy to sell hot dogs or cut lawns for a living. As for his wordy, folky stuff, it's low-grade coffeehouse music, not well produced (the vocals clip all over the place), and what can I say? Give me two with mustard please.
-- 
--============_-1178123574==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 10:42:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31493; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:33:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 10:33:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c26e0e$b938cc60$f45b4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: review in NY Rock Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:35:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>>Is it any good? Well, spatial noises as far as art is concerned is a matter of mood - at the moment it's okay, but if I were in a shitty mood, I'd say this were just aural jerking off, and advise the guy to sell hot dogs or cut lawns for a living.<<< I HATE reviews like this - review-guy, we don't give two shits about your mood, OK? I don't know you, don't have any reference point for evaluating how your moods correlate with what is and isn't artistic. Your job is to help describe the music. If there are any obvious errors, then feel free to highlight them, if there is an overall lack of coherence, describe it. But don't bitch about someone else's hard work because it might not match your mood sometimes!!!!!!We don't need your advice over career choices or anything else. Do your job!!! I really need to put up a dos and don'ts of reviewing on my site - there are so many lame writers out there dismissing what we do because they think they are charles shaar murray... It's infuriating - reviews can be so enlightening. Even bad reviews can be helpful if they are objective and constructive. But stuff like this is nonsense. Thanks for posting it, Scott, I'll remember never to send that guy a CD of mine... Knowing how connected people can be with their music, it's almost scary that there are writers like this out there coming out with stuff like that. I've got students who'd be destroyed if someone wrote like that about them... I had a really thowaway mention in a Schizoid review recently from some guy who said that I just did frippertronics with a bass, and hey, it's a way to make a living, I guess - it's just lazy writing. If it had been an actual review of my gig, I might have written to him, but as a two line mention in someone else's review, I'm not really in a position to complain... It makes me all the more appreciative for the clarity and wisdom of so many of the reviews that originate on this list itself. grrrrr Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 11:17:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03054; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:14:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: review in NY Rock To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006501c26e14$4fb41b40$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007301c26e0e$b938cc60$f45b4ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" > >>>Is it any good? > Well, spatial noises as far as art is concerned is a matter of mood - > at the moment it's okay, but if I were in a shitty mood, I'd say this > were just aural jerking off, and advise the guy to sell hot dogs or > cut lawns for a living.<<< > > I HATE reviews like this And...he had to pay $20 to get the review! "# Reviews are $20 each. Please make check payable to NY Rock. (Note, we have top-notch writers and do not expect them to work for free.) Payment guarantees an honest, objective review. Refunds a re not granted for any reason." * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 11:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03401; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008701c26e15$4f86d440$f45b4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <007301c26e0e$b938cc60$f45b4ed5@bigboy> <006501c26e14$4fb41b40$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: review in NY Rock Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:22:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <6OD22.A.F0.VYao9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " > > I HATE reviews like this > > And...he had to pay $20 to get the review! > > "# Reviews are $20 each. Please make check payable to NY Rock. > (Note, we have top-notch writers and do not expect them to work > for free.) Payment guarantees an honest, objective review. Refunds a > re not granted for any reason." OMG, that's unbelieveable - I'd seriously consider suing - 'top-notch writers'? I know kids as young as 8 or 9 that would write better than that... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 11:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03518; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:22:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:22:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DA1A4BC.2050602@oasis-open.org> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:14:04 -0400 From: Jeffrey Lomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: review in NY Rock References: <007301c26e0e$b938cc60$f45b4ed5@bigboy> <006501c26e14$4fb41b40$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060103050303060304010108" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------060103050303060304010108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A penny for your thoughts. 20 dollars for a review. That's inflation! :) jeff David Beardsley wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve Lawson" > >>>>>Is it any good? >>>>> >>Well, spatial noises as far as art is concerned is a matter of mood - >>at the moment it's okay, but if I were in a shitty mood, I'd say this >>were just aural jerking off, and advise the guy to sell hot dogs or >>cut lawns for a living.<<< >> >>I HATE reviews like this >> > >And...he had to pay $20 to get the review! > >"# Reviews are $20 each. Please make check payable to NY Rock. >(Note, we have top-notch writers and do not expect them to work >for free.) Payment guarantees an honest, objective review. Refunds a >re not granted for any reason." > > >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > > > --------------060103050303060304010108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A penny for your thoughts. 20 dollars for a review. That's inflation! :)

jeff

David Beardsley wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Lawson" <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk>

Is it any good?
Well, spatial noises as far as art is concerned is a matter of mood -
at the moment it's okay, but if I were in a shitty mood, I'd say this
were just aural jerking off, and advise the guy to sell hot dogs or
cut lawns for a living.<<<

I HATE reviews like this

And...he had to pay $20 to get the review!

"# Reviews are $20 each. Please make check payable to NY Rock.
(Note, we have top-notch writers and do not expect them to work
for free.) Payment guarantees an honest, objective review. Refunds a
re not granted for any reason."


* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley





--------------060103050303060304010108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 12:49:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10524; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:49:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:49:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:48:21 +0200 Subject: Midi question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004b01c26d90$fa616400$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> Message-Id: <96962B56-DA14-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Its been 10 years or so since I really got technical with Midi, and I seem to have forgotten a lot - so sorry if its a stupid question. I'm going to be connecting a number of devices/controllers/keyboards to the same midi loop, and am looking for a splitter that will split a single midi out to many outputs, and also do the same for the inputs (Many to many). Whilst I understand that this can be achieved using the Midi Thru ports on the various devices, I believe that I will experience latency problems. So, is what I am looking for called a Midi Thru box? -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 12:53:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10302; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:45:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:45:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:41:10 +0200 Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004b01c26d90$fa616400$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> Message-Id: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software that will do this). The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its been discussed before I think.... I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but its difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your brain is fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - especially with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by step, easily navigable guide with everything that a looper would need... tips... full programming charts.... etc. etc. Just a thought.... -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 13:12:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12717; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:08:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:08:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002401c26eec$525c19a0$4ee1e20c@attbi.com> From: "Butch" To: References: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:01:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you did and Behringer had any sense, they'd buy it from you and include it in their manula or, at least, on their website. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the midi > data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software that > will do this). > > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? > > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its > been discussed before I think.... > > I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but its > difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your brain is > fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - especially > with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by step, easily > navigable guide with everything that a looper would need... tips... full > programming charts.... etc. etc. > > Just a thought.... > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 13:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13003; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:12:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:12:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <66.287cb645.2ad31a5d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:11:57 EDT Subject: Re: Lazy writing (was review in NY Rock) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, In a message dated 10/7/02 7:34:14 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >I guess - it's just lazy writing. Maybe so. But I'd really rather think it was lazy listening. Your stuff is terrific. Keep it up. A fan, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 14:27:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18200; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:22:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:22:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021007182200.43384.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <17d.fa9eed6.2ad21a18@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Anywho, I just wanted to put in a big, public "thank you" > to Kim for all of his hard work (and Matthias, et al, too) > on the EDP, this list, the LD site and more -- which > probably seems to them to be a pretty thankless (and > darn next to totally unprofitable, sometimes) job. Definitely! Major thank-you, Kim, for hosting this wonderful forum. It's an incredible wealth of information and communitity. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 14:55:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21744; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:55:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:55:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c26e32$e7a22aa0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:53:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? I think this is a fine idea. I also think there is no such thing as a 100% solution. Probably *most* of us have a MIDI interface on our computer. Even those of who don't may find a SYSEX file useful. > ... Maybe what we do need is simple instructions > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its > been discussed before I think.... Yes! I think this is a good idea also. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the midi > data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software that > will do this). > > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? > > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its > been discussed before I think.... > > I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but its > difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your brain is > fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - especially > with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by step, easily > navigable guide with everything that a looper would need... tips... full > programming charts.... etc. etc. > > Just a thought.... > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 14:58:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21956; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:57:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:57:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:54:35 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-6.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I'm a guitarist and singer using looping and play back in my live shows. Until now, I managed to get by using an old Digital Music Corporation 'Ground Control' (limited to program change messages). Here's the catch, I recently picked up an Echoplex. As you know, I'll need a more sophisticated Midi control device to 'talk' to the Echoplex. That's fine but I want to make sure that whatever midi controller I buy is capable of sending simple program change messages to the old devices as well as the more complicated info to the Echoplex. Does anyone have suggestions concerning a control device which will facilitate my needs? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michael b ninertriplezero@angelfire.com -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 15:09:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23912; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:06:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:06:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003401c26e34$8bade7a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <96962B56-DA14-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Midi question Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:05:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the input box (several MIDI inputs to one MIDI output) is a Merge box. I think you're correct for the other side; one MIDI input to several MIDI outputs is a Thru box. You might look at a MIDI patchbay like the MOTU MIDI Express XT, MOTU micro Express, MIDIMan Midisport, etc. They are considerably more powerful than a simple Merge/Thru operation. You can selectively route and filter, for instance. I use an old MOTU MIDI Express XT Serial/Parallel box and I really like it. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mdbs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Midi question > Its been 10 years or so since I really got technical with Midi, and I > seem to have forgotten a lot - so sorry if its a stupid question. > > I'm going to be connecting a number of devices/controllers/keyboards to > the same midi loop, and am looking for a splitter that will split a > single midi out to many outputs, and also do the same for the inputs > (Many to many). Whilst I understand that this can be achieved using the > Midi Thru ports on the various devices, I believe that I will experience > latency problems. > > So, is what I am looking for called a Midi Thru box? > > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 15:21:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24809; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:17:59 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Megaphone (offtopic?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00de01c26e36$4047eca0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com we used a megaphone in a band i was in years ago. we went through several radio shack ones and an older megaphone i can't remember the name of. the most reliable thing, though less visually interesting, was an old cb mic plugged into a guitar amp. pretty gnarly sounding. i came to hate those radio crap things. if i wanted one today, i would fork out the bucks for a real one... they generally have more gain, and thus you can stand further from the microphone, which helps avoid causing the pa to feed back. > Hello to all- > the radio shack megaphone i've been using for doing vocal loops has just > become a gig casualty. i was wondering, before i replace it, if any else on > the list has used/is using a megaphone for vocal loops/not loops in a live > situation, pointed at the stage microphone, and avoided feedback > consistently. the radio shack microphone was pretty good in that sense but i > thought maybe some one else might have some recommendations. > thanks, > j. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 15:30:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25435; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:27:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:27:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: just-john@just-john.com@just-john.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00de01c26e36$4047eca0$080210ac@jpalmer> References: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:27:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: just john Subject: Re: Megaphone/bullhorn (offtopic?) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What I think of as a megaphone is just a cone with a hole -- no electronic parts at all. Powered megaphones, I call bullhorns. They're cones connected to pistol-grip mic/amplifier combinations with a talk button on the grip. I'm not claiming to be any sort of definitive authority on this terminology, tho. I've sometimes wondered if anybody's come up with a folding bullhorn. IE: normal electronics, but the bell of the horn is of nylon or something. >we used a megaphone in a band i was in years ago. >we went through several radio shack ones and an >older megaphone i can't remember the name of. >the most reliable thing, though less visually interesting, >was an old cb mic plugged into a guitar amp. >pretty gnarly sounding. > >i came to hate those radio crap things. >if i wanted one today, i would fork out the bucks for a real one... >they generally have more gain, and thus you can stand further from >the microphone, which helps avoid causing the pa to feed back. > > > >> Hello to all- >> the radio shack megaphone i've been using for doing vocal loops has just >> become a gig casualty. i was wondering, before i replace it, if any else on >> the list has used/is using a megaphone for vocal loops/not loops in a live >> situation, pointed at the stage microphone, and avoided feedback >> consistently. the radio shack microphone was pretty good in that sense >>but i >> thought maybe some one else might have some recommendations. >> thanks, >> j. >> >> --- * just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 16:09:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29061; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:08:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:08:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021007140942.00b11a50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:09:42 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: First Women's Looping Festival acknowledgments... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <43sg3D.A.FFH.Lmeo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, -Hope everyone has had an AWESOME! weekend! -I certainly have. The First Women's Looping Festival was a BLAST! -and I'd like to sincerely thank Rick Walker, Steve Rice, and Kim Flint for their wonderful, warm and welcoming hospitality! -It truly means alot! YOU GUYS ROCK MY WORLD!!! *huge hug* I'd also like to acknowledge my sister friends whom I had the honor of performing with in the festival and the other LD'ers whom I had the pleasure to have met this weekend. You gave kind faces and warmth to the looping community and really made me smile. The performances were amazing, and the audience was wonderful. Thank you all very very much. Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 16:17:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29943; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:16:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:16:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c26e0b$895e4ef0$08f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <96962B56-DA14-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <003401c26e34$8bade7a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Midi question Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:12:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use an older midiman 1x4 "thru" box and experience no appreciable latency. the other is indeed a "merge" box. try midiman and midisolutions. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 16:19:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29791; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 15:10:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <78bUnB.A.sQH.useo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com some nicer (read: more complicated/sophisticated) units: rocktron all access (i use this) cae rs-10 skydstrup (sp?) the all access is a great match with the echoplex. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 16:47:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31802; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:45:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:45:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778C9@Entcoexch15> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Unidentified subject! Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:44:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11BF2EF13411659-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please add the Yamaha MFC-10, which i've found to be very good for both the EDP (via either cc or note on/off) and the Repeater (using "Mix mode"). cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 8:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! some nicer (read: more complicated/sophisticated) units: rocktron all access (i use this) cae rs-10 skydstrup (sp?) the all access is a great match with the echoplex. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 17:52:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07572; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:48:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:48:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021007214745.57828.qmail@web10106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this is a good idea. I believe most sound cards use the game port as a midi port. I know my cheap old sound blaster card does All that is needed is the proper cable to connect to the game port, that has a midi connector on the other end, and to have the proper drivers loaded. bret --- Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help > > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the > midi > data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software > that > will do this). > > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 18:39:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12377; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:38:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:38:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:37:32 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Megaphone/bullhorn (offtopic?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <011c01c26e52$207be7c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Powered megaphones, I call bullhorns. They're cones connected to > pistol-grip mic/amplifier combinations with a talk button on the grip. your right. some people have a way with words, other people.... umm... ... not have way, i guess... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 18:58:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13861; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA21121.E4F9AFCE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 15:56:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Please check your computers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey kids, this is not a drill: http://www.msnbc.com/news/815117.asp?0cl=cR&cp1=1 Please clean your computers regularly. I'm still getting Klez emails from some of you people. Thanks, Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 19:39:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17365; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DA21121.E4F9AFCE@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DA21121.E4F9AFCE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:34:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Please check your computers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5IepeD.A.DPE.-oho9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey kids, this is not a drill: > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/815117.asp?0cl=cR&cp1=1 > >Please clean your computers regularly. I'm still getting Klez emails >from some of you people. of course, you can never tell WHO a Klez virus email comes from -- the From: and Reply-To: addresses are always faked! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 20:01:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19824; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:00:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:00:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <3DA21121.E4F9AFCE@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Please check your computers Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:59:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2002 23:59:28.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[9210BEA0:01C26E5D] Resent-Message-ID: <5oE_rC.A.b1E.CAio9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Take a look at the complete headers of the message. I would be surprised if those did not point you to the culprit (though posts to a list are another matter) Jonathan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Please check your computers > >Hey kids, this is not a drill: > > > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/815117.asp?0cl=cR&cp1=1 > > > >Please clean your computers regularly. I'm still getting Klez emails > >from some of you people. > > of course, you can never tell WHO a Klez virus email comes from -- > the From: and Reply-To: addresses are always faked! > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 20:18:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA20826; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:17:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:17:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA22411.8C67B947@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:17:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please check your computers References: <3DA21121.E4F9AFCE@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can tell you one thing: They're not coming from me. I'm Mac all the way, and keep up with the latest virus definitions. Klez and Bugbear are Windows based. I'm not pointing the finger at any individual, but I know based on what emails I use, that Klez emails are coming from someone on Loopers Delight for sure. Just saying. Keep clean, it's a jungle out there. Mark Jonathan El-Bizri wrote: > Take a look at the complete headers of the message. I would be surprised if > those did not point you to the culprit (though posts to a list are another > matter) > > Jonathan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ritchford" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: Please check your computers > > > >Hey kids, this is not a drill: > > > > > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/815117.asp?0cl=cR&cp1=1 > > > > > >Please clean your computers regularly. I'm still getting Klez emails > > >from some of you people. > > > > of course, you can never tell WHO a Klez virus email comes from -- > > the From: and Reply-To: addresses are always faked! > > > > /t > > -- > > > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every > Saturday! > > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the > calendar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 20:25:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21186; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:24:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:24:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DA22411.8C67B947@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DA21121.E4F9AFCE@zerocrossing.net> <3DA22411.8C67B947@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:21:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Please check your computers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 5:17 PM -0700 10/7/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >I'm not pointing the finger at any individual why are you all looking at me? stop looking at me! arg! /t (Mac-only) -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 20:33:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21707; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:32:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:32:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 20:31:15 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Please check your computers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000a01c26e62$034ca440$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3DA21121.E4F9AFCE@zerocrossing.net> <3DA22411.8C67B947@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > At 5:17 PM -0700 10/7/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >I'm not pointing the finger at any individual > > why are you all looking at me? stop looking at me! arg! > > /t (Mac-only) Ah...there's no virus....Tom has so much time on his hands that he's forging all this. Notice how he wrote: >of course, you can never tell WHO a Klez virus email comes from -- >the From: and Reply-To: addresses are always faked! Uh-hunh....he protests to loudly.....;) * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 21:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26717; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:47:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:47:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e801c26e6c$875c6d60$6161f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200210071855.OAA21813@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: review: 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL in San Jose Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:46:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just wanted to let everyone who couldn't make it what an outstanding success the 1st Woman's Looping Festival was this past weekend. We had a really big crowd (I'm guessing 200 or so) and they were rapt in attention listening to all of the artists. Audio Goddess (aka Jesse Rose) started off the festivities with the first performance she had ever done as a looper. She is an incredibly talented artist in several mediums and I lent her my old Jamperson and asked her to come up with something creative and she took the challenge and did a very nice set of spoken word, singing and manipulated tracks (including a beautiful track by L.D.er Tom Heasley that he 'lent her'). I was extremely proud of her and glad that she took such a risk to be creative. I can't wait to hear what she comes up with next. Next up, and one of my favorite performances of the evening was Unity Nguyen who performed a fascinating set that went from a beautiful Vietnamese zither piece (that she played masterfully and with great emotion) and voice to an acapella almost hip-hoppy kind of piece and then finished off with a stunning piece for the 21 stringed West African harp called the Kora. Unity has an incredibly compelling stage presence IMHO. She is just a natural and very warm performer and really communicates her love for the material she is presenting with humor and intelligence. I was very impressed. She told us a little bit about how the griots of west africa tell the story of their people when they play and sing with the Kora and then she really embarrased and tickled me by improvising a verse about my planning the woman's looping festival. It's the first time I've ever had my name in a song and it was really cool (and, boy, did I blush). Unity used a Boss Jamstation as her looper. Next Dark Muse (aka Phyll Smith) treated us to a set of dark ambient music featuring her lovely and ethereal voice(s). I feel most akin to her, personally, amongst all the artists because of her love for found sounds. In her long pieces she bowed cymbals, played overtone pipes and several other unusual found objects. She used two Line 6 DL-4 pedals as her main looping device. Next up was CQ, who most of us know as GODDESS from the list. I was extremely excited to hear her set as she and I have been corresponding friends on the list for over a year and she flew out from Colorado to stay here in Santa Cruz. CQ is an accomplished guitarist with a very cool and sophisticated harmonic palette. She plays a steinberger guitar which has just incredible sustain (not an e-bow in sight, Kim). She had planned for a set of vocalizations and some spoken word but her set was unfortunately marred by some technical difficulties (due to the extremely limited time for sound checks that festival shows) and due to the fact that I lent her my Electrix Repeater which glitched in the middle of her performance (god, I love and hate my Repeater........it does incredible things and so far, is not very reliable live). I felt bad for her but she reacted with extreme professionalism and put on a compelling show. One of the innovative approaches she uses is to program arpegiations into her MC-505 and then she controls the Repeater loop with the D-beam controller on the MC-505. For those of your unfamiliar with it, the D-beam is a light controlled midi continuous controller that you can assign to anything. In this case, CQ 'played' solos by waving her hands in the air. This was particularly cool to me because CQ is blind and I didn't expect a strongly visual presentation from her. Also, just a little aside, but I wish you all could have heard the cool jam we had in her hotel room, using objects we found in the room. What an intuitive and original musician. It was an honor to host her. Lastly we had a truly riveting and thought provoking set from AMY X NEUBURG. This woman is such a complete artist. Her material is well written, well programmed, well performed, visuall captivating, funny and sarcastic as hell and extremely dynamic. She has a really incredible voice and is a true visual performer. I have found that visual presentation is sometimes lacking in looping concerts and AMY just about makes up for all of it. She used a combination of drum/triggering of preset samples on a Drum Kat and then used an EDP as her main looper. One thing she did that I had not experienced before and has me running to dust off my old set of OCTAPADS is that she controlled the record/truncate loop/overdub and on/off functions of the EDP from her pads. This allowed her to have very dramatic changes of section in her songs. This allowed her to trascend another trend that I have noticed in looping festivals: most people just use an 'A' section for their 'songs' onstage. Amy X would use two and even three different sections to very dramatic effect in her songs. She tore down the house and got a rousing standing ovation and encore for the crowd (that had not diminished as we ended the festival). The whole thing was really inspiring.........the vibe was really great (yeah, yeah, yeah.............we're northern californians.......LOL) and a good time was had by all. It felt really great to be part of history and I am hoping that this festival will inspire many more women to enter the looping field, musically. I'd really like to express my gratitude to Herb who saved my ass by doing most of the sound and is also the highly accomplished engineer for AMY X's set (he has a very cool avante-pop CD out in his own right that I've been listening to the last couple of days). I'd also like to thank ARIEL who MCed the show very professionally and engagingly and who will be debuting her first looping peformance in Santa Cruz this coming November. I'd also like to thank the San Jose Museum of Art who sponsored us and underwrote the costs of bringing in these compelling artists. The Museum personal really treated us nicely. I'd also like to thank Marian Liu of the San Jose Mercury for the great interview piece she did with AMY X. It really helped us to get a very good and supportive crowd to the Museum. Well, that's it for now. I have Sunao Inami and Michael Klobuchar coming in this week for the EAST MEETS WEST LOOPING FESTIVAL this Sunday, 8 p.m. at the CAYUGA VAULT in Santa Cruz. I'll be performing a 30 minute piece using only DAYGLO GREEN TRANSLUCENT PLASTIC for anyone who has not experienced that madness. Hope to see you there. Loop On and stay creative everyone. yours, Rick Walker (aka, Loop.pooL) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 22:22:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30603; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:21:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:21:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000901c26e71$4e07f7a0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <200210071855.OAA21813@hemlock.violacea.com> <00e801c26e6c$875c6d60$6161f93f@global> Subject: Re: review: 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL in San Jose Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:20:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations- sounds like it was a great show- Any recordings available? Cliff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 22:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00423; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:50:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 22:50:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:51:14 -0400 Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide From: kenn lowy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200210071855.OAA21812@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think that would be great! Of course, since I have 2 EDP's (and one FCB1010), I'd like to see that version. klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) on 10/07/02 2:55 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com actually wrote: > From: Stuart Wyatt > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:41:10 +0200 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - especially > with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by step, easily > navigable guide with everything that a looper would need... tips... full > programming charts.... etc. etc. > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 23:06:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02664; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:05:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:05:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:06:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: CD sales again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hopefully it's good and finished enough for playback at that price. >I know my music isn't. oh, yes, arround 86 he became quite famous and. Geronimo is an old professional but decided to sell his latest CD this way... > >Wow, a buck and thirty cents for a CD! Way to get it out to the people!!! > >BF > >Matthias Grob wrote: > >yesterday I was at a concert of a not top selling but highly >respected artist of Salvador: Geronimo. > >He announced on stage: "You can buy my CD for the price of the Camelo >(street booth) with the quality of the industry, for R$ 5 (= US$ 1.30 >!!)" >-- > > >---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more >faith.yahoo.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 23:06:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02665; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:05:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:05:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c26d9f$a8874460$6401a8c0@om> References: <000201c26d9f$a8874460$6401a8c0@om> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:07:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Standing on my cyber soapbox . . . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Just a note- there is a PayPal link on the LD site- takes 2 secs and you >can make your thank you material. >Cliff :-) or by colecting usefull informations from the mails into some more compact form that can be loaded to the site... > >www.om-studios.com >> So . . . I just wanted to mount my soapbox for a brief >> moment or two and yell "THANK YOU!!!" at the top of >> my lungs. Now having done so I will bumble off into >> cyberspace again -- feeling much better. >> >> Best, >> >> T. Killian >> >> www.mp3.com/tedkillian >> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >> >> >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 23:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02684; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:06:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:06:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c26d71$e9e3fd00$0601a8c0@SATAN> References: <000601c26d71$e9e3fd00$0601a8c0@SATAN> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:07:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT: first names and given names... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hey Mark, > >I guess the gender of the name is there if you figure out what is the family >name and what the given name...:-) >I like these misunderstandings we face all the time in today's "interracial" >world...and there are lots of those, like the teachers at my former grammar >school (one of them a Latin teacher btw) who thought that "Luca" was a girl >because, all first names ending on "a" are females (as exemplified by the >famous composer Andrea Gabrieli). And it really gets interesting with >outer-occidental cultures where first names aren't necessarily given >names... like in China where the first name is the family name, the generations name second, and the third is the "given" name. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 23:38:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04353; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:35:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:35:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:34:51 -0400 Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Dave Wallingford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: <5ZhCa.A.jDB.mJlo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I'd love something like this, esp. since I'm new to this as well. Thanks! Dave Wallingford Sound Designer Walling1@mac.com 614.286.7362 On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 12:41 PM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the > midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software > that will do this). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 7 23:53:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05126; Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:50:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:50:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <30.2e07a129.2ad3afc3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:49:23 EDT Subject: Re: review: 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL in San Jose To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_30.2e07a129.2ad3afc3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_30.2e07a129.2ad3afc3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/02 9:48:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: > I just wanted to let everyone who couldn't make it > what an outstanding success the 1st Woman's Looping Festival > was this past weekend. > wow rick.....what a great sounding event and what a great review.....no lazy writing on your part.....wish i could have been there.....thanks.....michael --part1_30.2e07a129.2ad3afc3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/7/02 9:48:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes:


I just wanted to let everyone who couldn't make it
what an outstanding success the 1st Woman's Looping Festival
was this past weekend.


wow rick.....what a great sounding event and what a great review.....no lazy writing on your part.....wish i could have been there.....thanks.....michael
--part1_30.2e07a129.2ad3afc3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 01:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13088; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:43:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:43:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <96962B56-DA14-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <96962B56-DA14-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 01:43:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andrew Hearst Subject: Re: Midi question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, The heart of my looping rig (Repeater and FCB1010) is similar to yours, and I also need to control an Electribe ES-1 (which needs to send clock to everything) and a few other boxes. As far as I can tell, the best inexpensive solution is the Midiman/M-Audio 3x8: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1998/Thru-3x8.html. It's only 80 bucks or so. I haven't bought it yet, but I probably will soon. Best, Andrew Hearst http://www.echonyc.com/~hearst >Its been 10 years or so since I really got technical with Midi, and >I seem to have forgotten a lot - so sorry if its a stupid question. > >I'm going to be connecting a number of devices/controllers/keyboards >to the same midi loop, and am looking for a splitter that will >split a single midi out to many outputs, and also do the same for >the inputs (Many to many). Whilst I understand that this can be >achieved using the Midi Thru ports on the various devices, I believe >that I will experience latency problems. > >So, is what I am looking for called a Midi Thru box? > >-- >Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project >http://www.solostring.com >stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 02:11:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA15824; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:08:32 +0200 Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5F267648-DA84-11D6-A447-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I think that would be great! Of course, since I have 2 EDP's (and one > FCB1010), I'd like to see that version. Guess who'll be writing that one :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 02:11:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16013; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:11:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:11:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:10:20 +0200 Subject: Re: Midi question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9FB5510A-DA84-11D6-A447-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andrew, I've just read the specs, and it looks like *exactly* what I need. Thanks! On Tuesday, October 8, 2002, at 07:43 AM, Andrew Hearst wrote: > The heart of my looping rig (Repeater and FCB1010) is similar to yours, > and I also need to control an Electribe ES-1 (which needs to send clock > to everything) and a few other boxes. As far as I can tell, the best > inexpensive solution is the Midiman/M-Audio 3x8: > http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1998/Thru-3x8.html. It's only 80 > bucks or so. I haven't bought it yet, but I probably will soon. > -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 02:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18689; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:46:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 02:46:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021008064554.90125.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wonderful idea! Louie > I think that would be great! Of course, since I have > 2 EDP's (and one > FCB1010), I'd like to see that version. > > > klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) > > > on 10/07/02 2:55 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > actually > wrote: > > > From: Stuart Wyatt > > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:41:10 +0200 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide > > > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time > permitting) with info > > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to > help out - especially > > with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating > step by step, easily > > navigable guide with everything that a looper > would need... tips... full > > programming charts.... etc. etc. > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > > http://www.solostring.com > > stuart@solostring.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 03:02:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20545; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:02:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:02:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021008070039.40372.qmail@web40513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Behringer is still taking requests for improving the FCB1010 so mail them they want to know if people there are interested.Toggle and momentary switching a la PMC 10 would be a cool feature especially turning FXs on and off also more cc´s for more devices cheers Louie > I think that would be great! Of course, since I have > 2 EDP's (and one > FCB1010), I'd like to see that version. > > > klowy (aka wrinklemuzik) > > > on 10/07/02 2:55 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > actually > wrote: > > > From: Stuart Wyatt > > Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:41:10 +0200 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide > > > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time > permitting) with info > > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to > help out - especially > > with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating > step by step, easily > > navigable guide with everything that a looper > would need... tips... full > > programming charts.... etc. etc. > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > > http://www.solostring.com > > stuart@solostring.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 03:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22234; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:22:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:22:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: Midi question/ FCB1010 wishes Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c26e9b$46695690$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just another option. I use an older and cheaper (30 bucks or so used) MOTU Midi Express- 2in/4out in the following way- Master midi clock in on A- with A out #1 to another device, and #2 to IN B- which then creates 2 more outputs of the master clock on B- One thing is it requires a wall wart. Having just looked at the previously mentioned 3x8 I see it is a far more capable and flexible solution. I want one. :) As for the FCB-1010 it would be great if the midi channels for each expression pedal could be customized for each and every patch. In this way any time you used a function for a certain device the expression pedals could be set for that device as well- I hit an EDP function and the pedals control Vol and Fdbk- I hit a Repeater control and now maybe they control pitch and slip- all from the same bank! Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Hearst [mailto:hearst@echonyc.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi question Stuart, The heart of my looping rig (Repeater and FCB1010) is similar to yours, and I also need to control an Electribe ES-1 (which needs to send clock to everything) and a few other boxes. As far as I can tell, the best inexpensive solution is the Midiman/M-Audio 3x8: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1998/Thru-3x8.html. It's only 80 bucks or so. I haven't bought it yet, but I probably will soon. Best, Andrew Hearst From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 03:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA22667; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:31:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:31:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d301c26e9d$0547af20$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: References: <007301c26e0e$b938cc60$f45b4ed5@bigboy> <006501c26e14$4fb41b40$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <008701c26e15$4f86d440$f45b4ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: review in NY Rock Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:32:43 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <733dJB.A.7hF.Unoo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 16:22:PM Subject: Re: review in NY Rock > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " > > > I HATE reviews like this > > > > And...he had to pay $20 to get the review! > > > > "# Reviews are $20 each. Please make check payable to NY Rock. > > (Note, we have top-notch writers and do not expect them to work > > for free.) Payment guarantees an honest, objective review. Refunds a > > re not granted for any reason." > > OMG, that's unbelieveable - I'd seriously consider suing - 'top-notch > writers'? I know kids as young as 8 or 9 that would write better than > that... Well, the 'column' IS called Street Beat. Though after a reading of some of the other reviews, I think there's more emphasis on Beating than anything else. And he wants us to not only send a CD but PAY him! This jerk ought to work for one of the Big 5 record companies! Note that the 'writer' not only criticizes the supposed 'ease of production' that comes with Digital/CD-Recorders, coming just short of using the word 'masturbation', but does so using an even easier tool for such sloppy self-gratification: his keyboard. "Do you like music? Oh, I know, everyone SAYS they do." - David Byrne in "True Stories" S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 03:51:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23456; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:48:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:48:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <184.fc11108.2ad3e79f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:47:43 EDT Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Please add the Yamaha MFC-10, which i've found to be very good for both the > EDP (via either cc or note on/off) and the Repeater (using "Mix mode"). the Yamaha MFC-10 has a delay from when you hit the switch to when the MIDI instruction is sent. Almost 100mS, which is quite a lot! This was confirmed by Yamaha customer support UK, who also confirmed that Yamaha had absolutely no interest in the subject. For most loopers, the delay makes the pedal unworkable. I have the MFC-10 next to me now, I had to get the Behringer pedal for the EDP. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 06:58:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03948; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 06:57:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 06:57:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009901c26eb9$50c09a40$4e64f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200210080306.XAA02775@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: recordings of 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL artist performances and commercially available material. Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 03:56:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Viz a vis, the question regarding recordings of people's sets. A few of the individual artists's sets were recorded but not all of them. Anyone interested would need to contact the artist's individually. AMY X has excellent CDs out and I would highly recommend that anyone purchase them. I believe all of her material from this concert is faithfully reproduced on these CDs. Check this wonderful artist out. DARK MUSE (aka Phyll Smith) also has wonderful CDs out and I can highly recommend them to people who enjoy Dark Ambient material. I'm expecting full length CDs from CQ and Unity Nguyen this year (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) and I'm not sure if Audio Goddess has anything in the works (well............?) That's the poop. yours, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL) P.S. This is an afterthough, but I wanted to share it: It seems like a lot of loopers are interested in other loopers materials but it seems rather rare that some one will actually fork over some money to actually buy one. My question is this: If we are unwilling to support each other's artistry financially, how the heck can we expect the buying public at large to support our artistry. My completely gratuitous advice: There are some truly creative and great recorded works commercially available by many Loopers Delight artists. Right off the bat I can think of David Torn, Steve Lawson, Amy X Neuburg, Ted Killian, Max Valentino, Andre La Fosse, Tom Heasley and many,many more too numerous but nonetheless, deserving to mention. Buy them , gang!!!! Let's put our mouths where our money is and support this community. OK, end of soapbox segment of this e-mail...................LOL!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 07:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06036; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:18:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:18:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 07:16:39 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: review To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IDr2h0FKTbF6g/J5JmxBOw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_IDr2h0FKTbF6g/J5JmxBOw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Just a bare reference to looping, but that's how it's done: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_IDr2h0FKTbF6g/J5JmxBOw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Just a bare reference to looping, but that's how it's done:
 
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_IDr2h0FKTbF6g/J5JmxBOw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 07:39:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06757; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:35:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 07:35:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c26ebf$1d0263e0$80494ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: review Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:37:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's a fantastic review - easily worth $20 of anyone's money... ...whaddya mean, it was free??????? :o) Ooooh, good journalism is so invigorating! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" > Just a bare reference to looping, but that's how it's done: > > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php > > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 09:06:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13880; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:01:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:01:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021008130113.27728.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 08:01:13 -0500 Subject: Question concering midi foot controller X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-1.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: <_ni43.A.qYD.vcto9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apologies if you are receiving this message for a second time. I'm not sure I got it right the first time out. Hi there, I'm a guitarist using looping and play back in my live shows. Until now, I managed to get by using an old foot controller made by Digital Music Corporation called 'Ground Control' (limited to program change messages). Here's the catch, I recently picked up an Echoplex. As you know, I'll need a more sophisticated Midi control device to 'talk' to the Echoplex. That's fine but I want to make sure that whatever midi controller I buy is capable of sending simple program change messages to the old devices as well as the more complicated info to the Echoplex. Does anyone have suggestions concerning a control device which will facilitate my needs? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Michael b ninertriplezero@angelfire.com -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 09:30:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16832; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:27:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:27:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c26ece$ba95e820$992c5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: review Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:29:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C26EAD.3291AAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C26EAD.3291AAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Congratulations David Great review! It's really rare to see someone put so much thought and = effort into a music review, especially when he could just as easily have = negatively dismissed your work like that "paid" reviewer did to the = other list member's CD. I'm not saying that *all* reviews should be = like this one (the average reader isn't going to know what a minor ninth = or third partial is) but it's certainly a step in the right direction. I'm just disappointed that he didn't mention what you wore or how your = hair was styled. ;-)=20 Just a bare reference to looping, but that's how it's done: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C26EAD.3291AAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Congratulations David
 
Great review!  It's really rare to see someone put so much = thought and=20 effort into a music review, especially when he could just as easily=20 have negatively dismissed your work like that "paid" reviewer did = to the=20 other list member's CD.  I'm not saying that *all* reviews should = be like=20 this one (the average reader isn't going to know what a minor = ninth or=20 third partial is) but it's certainly a step in the right = direction.
 
I'm just disappointed that he didn't mention what you wore or = how your=20 hair was styled.  ;-) 
Just a bare reference to looping, but = that's how=20 it's done:
 http://www.vill= agevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php
------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C26EAD.3291AAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 09:39:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17353; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:35:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 09:35:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007301c26e0e$b938cc60$f45b4ed5@bigboy> References: <007301c26e0e$b938cc60$f45b4ed5@bigboy> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 08:28:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: review in NY Rock/clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve- thanks for the support. the review didn't bother me so much. i thought it was funny. the thing i thought was funny was characterizing 1/2 my album (album is 38 tracks running at 79 min) as "spatial noises". granted i don't think i'm the greatest loopist who's ever lived, and i'm still new at it, w/ minimal amt of tools, but how something that's off-mainstream, could be characterized as such. and granted, the sound isn't going to be "eminem/et al quality", using again my min. amt of tools. but i tried, and i think it sounds good for home studio/lo-fi feel. oh, last clarification: i didn't pay for that review. but the review i have at http://www.indiemusicreview.com/scotthansen, i did have to pay for. and i really debated on that, but figured i was paying for space on their web site. so that justified it for me. i could probably write an article on independant sites/zines that actually support "independant music", ie: music w/ no label support....it was mostly an experiment for me....but i've seen the uphill battle that most face...and boy it can be hard and taxing and time consuming.... scott http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.htmla > >>>Is it any good? >Well, spatial noises as far as art is concerned is a matter of mood - >at the moment it's okay, but if I were in a shitty mood, I'd say this >were just aural jerking off, and advise the guy to sell hot dogs or >cut lawns for a living.<<< > >I HATE reviews like this - review-guy, we don't give two shits about your >mood, OK? I don't know you, don't have any reference point for evaluating >how your moods correlate with what is and isn't artistic. Your job is to >help describe the music. If there are any obvious errors, then feel free to >highlight them, if there is an overall lack of coherence, describe it. But >don't bitch about someone else's hard work because it might not match your >mood sometimes!!!!!!We don't need your advice over career choices or >anything else. Do your job!!! > >I really need to put up a dos and don'ts of reviewing on my site - there are >so many lame writers out there dismissing what we do because they think they >are charles shaar murray... > >It's infuriating - reviews can be so enlightening. Even bad reviews can be >helpful if they are objective and constructive. But stuff like this is >nonsense. Thanks for posting it, Scott, I'll remember never to send that guy >a CD of mine... Knowing how connected people can be with their music, it's >almost scary that there are writers like this out there coming out with >stuff like that. I've got students who'd be destroyed if someone wrote like >that about them... > >I had a really thowaway mention in a Schizoid review recently from some guy >who said that I just did frippertronics with a bass, and hey, it's a way to >make a living, I guess - it's just lazy writing. If it had been an actual >review of my gig, I might have written to him, but as a two line mention in >someone else's review, I'm not really in a position to complain... > >It makes me all the more appreciative for the clarity and wisdom of so many >of the reviews that originate on this list itself. > >grrrrr > >Steve >www.steve-lawson.co.uk -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 11:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25438; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:03:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:03:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <53.1d8def26.2ad44d5f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:01:51 EDT Subject: Re: review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David, In a message dated 10/8/02 4:18:46 AM, db@biink.com writes: >http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php Wow, terrific review! Makes me want to check out your music. The idea of microtonal music has always fascinated me. I guess I'll have to get off my butt and check you out at: >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 11:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27073; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:32:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:32:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006701c26edf$3bd89fd0$ba2693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200210080306.XAA02775@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c26eb9$50c09a40$4e64f93f@global> Subject: Re: recordings of 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL artist performances and commercially available material. Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:27:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick Rick my friend are you finnally send me your snail mail adress so I can send you my cd for free in exchange of yours (and a litle review) :-) :=):=):=> I'm extatic about all youre doing for free. thank you you create momentum I even think about hosting a litlle summer looping festival in july-august in my hometown more when awailable thanks rick Claude yours, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL) wrote > > > P.S. > > This is an afterthough, but I wanted to share it: > > It seems like a lot of loopers are interested in other loopers materials > but it seems rather rare that some one will actually > fork over some money to actually buy one. > > My question is this: If we are unwilling to support each other's artistry > financially, how the heck can we expect the buying public at large to > support our artistry. > > My completely gratuitous advice: There are some truly creative and great > recorded works > commercially available by many Loopers Delight artists. Right off the bat I > can think of > David Torn, Steve Lawson, Amy X Neuburg, Ted Killian, Max Valentino, Andre > La Fosse, Tom Heasley and many,many more too numerous but nonetheless, > deserving to mention. > > Buy them , gang!!!! > > Let's put our mouths where our money is and support this community. > > OK, end of soapbox segment of this e-mail...................LOL!!! > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 11:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27276; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:34:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:34:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:30:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com isnt the production at still stand as per today also how lowd are the switches how's the precision of critical presses eg End record or mute multiply Claude > some nicer (read: more complicated/sophisticated) units: > > rocktron all access (i use this) > cae rs-10 > skydstrup (sp?) > > the all access is a great match with the echoplex. > > -jim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 12:11:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30921; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:10:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:10:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:03:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: review Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1178029497==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1178029497==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" yes, that was a very good review. when i was in grad school (for art) for our class on contemporary art, a lot of what we read were compiled articles from village voice. they generally have good writers writing about interesting things....and they seem to have a history of being in the right place at certain times in history....a good review.... what a great piece to add to your press file. it's too bad all reviews couldn't be that thought out by a good writer.... scott >Just a bare reference to looping, but that's how it's done: > > >http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php > > >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley -- --============_-1178029497==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: review
yes, that was a very good review. when i was in grad school (for art)
for our class on contemporary art, a lot of what we read were compiled
articles from village voice. they generally have good writers writing
about interesting things....and they seem to have a history of being in
the right place at certain times in history....a good review....
what a great piece to add to your press file.
it's too bad all reviews couldn't be that thought out by a good writer....
scott


Just a bare reference to looping, but that's how it's done:
 
 http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php
 
 
* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley


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--============_-1178029497==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 12:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31737; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 11:21:59 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <018901c26ee6$d4036180$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <37XbYD.A.ZvH.sYwo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com my favorite review was a 2 word review for spinal taps "shark sandwich": "shit sandwich" they can't print that, can they? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 12:31:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32463; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:30:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:30:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007301c26ebf$1d0263e0$80494ed5@bigboy> References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <007301c26ebf$1d0263e0$80494ed5@bigboy> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:28:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2Wo0O.A.C6H.kfwo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >That's a fantastic review - easily worth $20 of anyone's money... I'd easily pay as much as $29.95 for a review like that! but seriously, congrats, David! couldn't ask for better than that... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 12:32:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32289; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:28:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:28:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778D6@Entcoexch15> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:27:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11BDD92F3511436-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I actually read about this delay after i had already purchased the pedal, and i must say that i don't notice that in mine, so i thought that might have been on individual units, rather than the 'rule' for the device. Perhaps it IS there, but i don't notice it, because by my design, my looping strategy involves creating slightly oblong loops, rather than 'perfect' ones. Who's to say which came a dictated first, the strategy or the 'delay'? : ) I guess i'd have to do a side-by-side test of the two pedals, or is there another way of confirming this 'delay' which i have not noticed to this point? cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds > Please add the Yamaha MFC-10, which i've found to be very good for both the > EDP (via either cc or note on/off) and the Repeater (using "Mix mode"). the Yamaha MFC-10 has a delay from when you hit the switch to when the MIDI instruction is sent. Almost 100mS, which is quite a lot! This was confirmed by Yamaha customer support UK, who also confirmed that Yamaha had absolutely no interest in the subject. For most loopers, the delay makes the pedal unworkable. I have the MFC-10 next to me now, I had to get the Behringer pedal for the EDP. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 12:55:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01351; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:49:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:49:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: review Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:48:15 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000401c26eea$7f3186b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <018901c26ee6$d4036180$080210ac@jpalmer> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Excuse my ignorance, but what is all this talk about having to pay for a review? Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 13:22:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04618; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:19:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:19:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005f01c26eee$b9ea5850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778D6@Entcoexch15> Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:18:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I guess i'd have to do a side-by-side test of the two pedals, or is there > another way of confirming this 'delay' which i have not noticed to this > point? I'd love to see some hard data on the delay. You up for some experimenting, Jim? Here's my suggestion (straight-forward but probably better ways of doing this): Put the MFC-10 beside another MIDI pedal. (In my case, I'd probably use a EDP EFC-7 and configure the EDP to send MIDI note-on/off.) Place the pedals so you can press them reasonably simultaneously. Connect the MIDI outputs of both to a computer interface (possibly through a merge box). Use a MIDI monitor like MIDI-OX to capture the MIDI messages with timestamps so we can accurately measure any time delay. I volunteer to collect data, but somebody will have to loan me an MFC-10. :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 13:27:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05028; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:24:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:24:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c26eef$c9254fe0$d0584ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778D6@Entcoexch15> <005f01c26eee$b9ea5850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Credit Card ordering up and running for my new album Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:26:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi guys, just to let you know that the CC ordering is now up and running at my site for my new album, 'Not Dancing For Chicken' - if you order it in advance, there's a second very limited edition signed, numbered album, called 'Lessons Learned From An Aged Feline Pt 1' free with it! The second CD is predominantly ambient and glitchy loopalicious stuff, the stranger end of my musical output. Lots of EDP and DL4 mangling going on, and very little that sounds anything like a bass. you can jump straight to the seecure ordering page if you're familiar with the process by going to http://www.evinsol.co.uk/ccorder.shtml cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (gigs dates for tour with Level 42, and album news and samples) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 14:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06846; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:53:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:53:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:49:43 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <037701c26ef3$171733a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004f01c26ece$ba95e820$992c5a0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: <0ZA3k.A.9oB.5txo9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Cino >Congratulations David Thanks - it's the first review I've received in print media. >Great review! It's really rare to see someone put >so much thought and effort into a music review, especially >when he could just as easily have negatively dismissed your >work like that "paid" reviewer did to the other list member's >CD. I'm not saying that *all* reviews should be like this one >(the average reader isn't going to know what a minor ninth or >third partial is) but it's certainly a step in the right direction. When Kyle's not writing for the Voice, he's an Assistant Professor of Music at Bard College, writer, composer and microtonalist. I'm glad he doesn't dumb it down for the masses! >I'm just disappointed that he didn't mention what >you wore or how your hair was styled. ;-) The photo got enough of that! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 14:06:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08511; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:54:31 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <038b01c26ef3$c2b44ea0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <007301c26ebf$1d0263e0$80494ed5@bigboy> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > >That's a fantastic review - easily worth $20 of anyone's money... > > I'd easily pay as much as $29.95 for a review like that! > > but seriously, congrats, David! couldn't ask for better than that... Thanks Tom. I made it a point to tell him about open loop. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 14:09:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08517; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:59:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:59:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018901c26ee6$d4036180$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <018901c26ee6$d4036180$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:50:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: review Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >my favorite review was a 2 word review for >spinal taps "shark sandwich": "shit sandwich" > >they can't print that, can they? My all-time favorite review was from the late, lamented Musician magazine, for the band GTR (Steve Hackett and Steve Howes pretty atrocious post-yes/Genesis band): SHT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 15:10:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14691; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:08:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:08:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:05:03 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Message-id: <046101c26efd$9c85f080$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004f01c26ece$ba95e820$992c5a0c@u73x0> <037701c26ef3$171733a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "David Beardsley" wrote > Thanks - it's the first review I've received in print media. Steve Lawson pointed out to me that I was reviewed in the LA Weekly in May. Man, I have a short memory! Let's just say this is the first press I've had locally. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 15:14:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15106; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:13:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:13:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DA32D3F.66A46D3D@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:08:48 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: review References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004f01c26ece$ba95e820$992c5a0c@u73x0> <037701c26ef3$171733a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <046101c26efd$9c85f080$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com David Beardsley wrote: > Steve Lawson pointed out to me that I was reviewed > in the LA Weekly in May. Man, I have a short memory! It was actually I who pointed it out to you - your memory is shorter than you think! ;) --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 15:20:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15458; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:17:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:17:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:13:46 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <047901c26efe$d49cf580$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a901c26ebc$2c9403c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <004f01c26ece$ba95e820$992c5a0c@u73x0> <037701c26ef3$171733a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <046101c26efd$9c85f080$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <3DA32D3F.66A46D3D@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" > David Beardsley wrote: > > > Steve Lawson pointed out to me that I was reviewed > > in the LA Weekly in May. Man, I have a short memory! > > It was actually I who pointed it out to you - your memory is shorter > than you think! Sorry!!!! Needless to say I'm a bit fuzzy right now. It's 3pm and I've been at this since 6am. Really - phone calls, email and so on. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 15:43:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16843; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:34:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:34:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA33303.80006FDA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 12:33:27 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Kudos to Roland Customer Support References: <000201c26d9f$a8874460$6401a8c0@om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com While we're thanking people (btw, Kim this is an amazing resource to the world of music in general, not just looping), I'd like to step up and thank Roland Musical Instruments. Last night I had an issue installing a new OS for my MC-307. To make a long story short, it was not Roland's fault at all, it was an issue with Digital Performer. Anyway, I totally expected today to be the beginning of a prolonged conflict with a non existent technical service department. Nothing could be further from the truth! I got through right away, with only a little phone menu surfing. It was actually pretty simple to get to the person I needed to get to.... and they picked up the phone after only a few rings! AMAZING. When he realized I needed more specific support for my product, he quickly transferred me to the right person who also picked up right away. The tech support guy was really nice and didn't treat me like a moron at all, even though I found that Roland hadn't posted the upgrade due to the complexity of the install. He quickly explained how I needed to install the software, gave me a new copy, in case the one I had was corrupt, and pointed me to a better utility to do the install. I was off the phone in under 10 minutes. OK, Roland manuals aren't the best. Their web site generally sucks ass (almost no decent tech support at all via the web) but they totally pick up the slack with real people that actually know their stuff. Anyway, I've heard others on this list critical of Roland's "Groove Approved" products. Yeah, it's a bunch of marketing yada yada, but let me tell you, if you're looking for a drum machine/sequencer that's got tons of features and great sounds for the price, I'd definitely recommend Roland products. They're not perfect, but for the money you actually have some tech support. That's pretty rare in our world. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 16:24:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20878; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:17:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:17:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: FS: Roland JV-880 Message-ID: <1034108177.3da33d1159d05@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 16:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Roland JV-880 in really nice shape. $200 usually i have something to say about the gear i'm selling. with this, i just need the money more than i need this. i'm getting an Akai S2800 in the mail this week, so i don't need this for drums anymore. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 16:24:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21176; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:22:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:22:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA33E70.DFD51D3B@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:22:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds References: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778D6@Entcoexch15> <005f01c26eee$b9ea5850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's been so long I can't remember why, but I thought the MFC-10 sucked and did not run the Repeater in any usable way. I also thought it was a bit big and plastic. Mark Dennis Leas wrote: > > I guess i'd have to do a side-by-side test of the two pedals, or is there > > another way of confirming this 'delay' which i have not noticed to this > > point? > > I'd love to see some hard data on the delay. You up for some experimenting, > Jim? > > Here's my suggestion (straight-forward but probably better ways of doing > this): Put the MFC-10 beside another MIDI pedal. (In my case, I'd probably > use a EDP EFC-7 and configure the EDP to send MIDI note-on/off.) Place the > pedals so you can press them reasonably simultaneously. Connect the MIDI > outputs of both to a computer interface (possibly through a merge box). Use > a MIDI monitor like MIDI-OX to capture the MIDI messages with timestamps so > we can accurately measure any time delay. > > I volunteer to collect data, but somebody will have to loan me an MFC-10. :) > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 16:36:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22023; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:33:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:33:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008a01c26f09$d656d980$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778D6@Entcoexch15> <005f01c26eee$b9ea5850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3DA33E70.DFD51D3B@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:32:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <66HbYC.A.cXF.FE0o9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > It's been so long I can't remember why, but I thought the MFC-10 sucked and did > not run the Repeater in any usable way. I also thought it was a bit big and > plastic. ...so you're saying that apart from being big, ugly, fragile, and unusable, it's a pretty good pedal? :D Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 17:13:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25894; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:12:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:12:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b301c26f0f$4dc146e0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778D6@Entcoexch15> <005f01c26eee$b9ea5850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <3DA33E70.DFD51D3B@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:11:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jon Wagner has a better suggestion: "why not open up the top, trigger a scope trace with the button press, and probe the midi out line. this would be a very accurate way to learn the true delay. I'd volunteer to do this as well, but someone would have to lean me a pedal too..." So anybody who was gonna loan me an MFC-10 to test, should send it to Jon instead! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 17:14:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25757; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:10:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:10:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ba.762dce4.2ad4a396@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:09:42 EDT Subject: RE: Standing on my semi compiled EDP info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > :-) > or by colecting usefull informations from the mails into some more > compact form that can be loaded to the site... I've got a load of EDP stuff in unsorted text files, anyone want it? (lot's of Kim's comments, and most of the Loop4 stuff) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 19:22:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06049; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778EA@Entcoexch15> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:32:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11BD83DB112537-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1-suvC.A.5dB.Bh2o9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If i had all the items that you put out here Dennis, i would do that comparison TONIGHT. But, alas, i don't even have a sound-worthy computer just yet (spent my $$ on a house and car this year), so that will have to wait. In the meantime, its working for me, either for oblong loops or straight-time ones. Perhaps, i have just learned to work with the delay, if there is one and adjust my timing to make it work? Anywho, once i get the uber-PC, i will check the comparison, because i now HAVE to know. cheers, jim. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Leas [mailto:dennis@mail.worldserver.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds > I guess i'd have to do a side-by-side test of the two pedals, or is there > another way of confirming this 'delay' which i have not noticed to this > point? I'd love to see some hard data on the delay. You up for some experimenting, Jim? Here's my suggestion (straight-forward but probably better ways of doing this): Put the MFC-10 beside another MIDI pedal. (In my case, I'd probably use a EDP EFC-7 and configure the EDP to send MIDI note-on/off.) Place the pedals so you can press them reasonably simultaneously. Connect the MIDI outputs of both to a computer interface (possibly through a merge box). Use a MIDI monitor like MIDI-OX to capture the MIDI messages with timestamps so we can accurately measure any time delay. I volunteer to collect data, but somebody will have to loan me an MFC-10. :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 19:22:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05993; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:15:30 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: ambient tuba in nyc, v 1.00 To: ambient way , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , extremeNY@topica.com, metatuning@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <000b01c26f20$98c3ca80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopoligist Tom's in town check it out! * Knitting Factory, NYC 10/9/02 http://knittingfactory.com more info: http://tomheasley.com * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 19:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06629; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021008232846.82958.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Michael Subject: re: Question concering midi foot controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently had the same dilemma with the Ground Control and the Repeater. While the Ground Control is plenty sophisticated to control my guitar rack (MIDI pre-amp, Multi-FX,Gtr synth) AND Repeater's functions--the fact is that it was just too much tap dancing to use in real life. Unless you have planned set and are REALLY organized about the way you program your pdl brd, it's a nightmare. I typically have abnk or 2 of GTR patches followed by a bank or 2 syth patches-then a bank or 2 Repeater functions. (OK there's my synth pad--now scroll up 4 banks and hit record...no way...) I found I always wanted the looping functions available. I wound up using both the Ground Control for the stuff it always did and a Begringer FCB1010 for the Repeater. Sure, it looks like Mission Contrl on the floor in front of me--but it sure works well... I'd be interested to hear what you come up with. Cheers, Rob Michael Rob_Michael_2002@yahoo.com Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11496; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:26:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:26:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c26f2a$68d38f40$bc0a1f40@makata> From: "Mark Kata" To: Subject: Re: Unidentified Subject Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:06:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You may want to contact Digital Music Corp. They have a memory upgrade for the Ground Control that may provide the functionality you need. MK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 20:44:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12444; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005f01c26eee$b9ea5850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> References: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778D6@Entcoexch15> <005f01c26eee$b9ea5850$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:45:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I suspect you are loosing your time here. Andy Butler is of the kind that sees all options and solutions and he really wanted to use this pedal and really did not manage... Unfortunately there is no AntiTime yet, no Earlyzation... no soft tool that does something just before you press a knob ;-) Maybe for some use, the delay that Andy detected may not be harmfull, but you probably cannot decide that by measuring the time... How much delay would you tolerate? In any case, I would not recommend such slow gear even to those who do slow stuff now. Tendence is to become quicker ;-) > > I guess i'd have to do a side-by-side test of the two pedals, or is there >> another way of confirming this 'delay' which i have not noticed to this >> point? > >I'd love to see some hard data on the delay. You up for some experimenting, >Jim? > >Here's my suggestion (straight-forward but probably better ways of doing >this): Put the MFC-10 beside another MIDI pedal. (In my case, I'd probably >use a EDP EFC-7 and configure the EDP to send MIDI note-on/off.) Place the >pedals so you can press them reasonably simultaneously. Connect the MIDI >outputs of both to a computer interface (possibly through a merge box). Use >a MIDI monitor like MIDI-OX to capture the MIDI messages with timestamps so >we can accurately measure any time delay. > >I volunteer to collect data, but somebody will have to loan me an MFC-10. :) > >Dennis Leas >------------------- >dennis@mail.worldserver.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 20:45:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12460; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:43:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:43:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006701c26edf$3bd89fd0$ba2693d4@black> References: <200210080306.XAA02775@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c26eb9$50c09a40$4e64f93f@global> <006701c26edf$3bd89fd0$ba2693d4@black> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:45:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: recordings of 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL artist performances and commercially available material. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, animated by Ricks activities: >I'm extatic about all youre doing for free. thank you >you create momentum you will be amazed when you meet him, he never stops saying good things and laughing and creating... and listening and understanding... >I even think about hosting a litlle summer looping festival in >july-august in my >hometown oh, yeah! I will be there. Nyon is in a similar situation as Montreux, on the same lake, but its much nicer. And the best swiss openair festival is there for over 20 years. And I have been playing with Claude at the lake side the last years... ... so by now it may be a "loop aware city" (almost like Sta X) ;-) > >more when awailable > >thanks rick > >Claude > -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 20:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13255; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:50:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:50:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009901c26eb9$50c09a40$4e64f93f@global> References: <200210080306.XAA02775@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c26eb9$50c09a40$4e64f93f@global> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:52:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: loop recordings pool Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loop.pool Ricks "after-what?" deserves a new subject, I think. He really has that "pool-soul" :-) > This is an afterthough, but I wanted to share it: > > It seems like a lot of loopers are interested in other loopers materials >but it seems rather rare that some one will actually >fork over some money to actually buy one. So far I just exchanged (swapped) CDs (mostly CD-Rs) with loop brothers (and now the first from a sister is under way). I find this very friendly and I made it to a pile of about 20 so far. So far I never felt like "your recording has less quality than mine, so I loose on that swap". It was always a win-win situation, happiness to listen to something new... although I admit that some just sit on the shelf now... :-) Sure, if someone said that he has no recordings at all, the swap may not work. But since international transfer of money is not simple, in a few cases I simply asked for some other CD that the brother likes... I am a little split about the form: I save all in mp3 on the HD, because I am tired of CD mess and CD players, but some CDs are nice to have for the cover. Also, I hate to select which of my recordings is suitable for someone I dont know yet, so I think about creating a CD-ROM full of mp3s (still not all of my work!). Some hear the difference, but somehow I doubt that most of us record at a sufficient quality to make mp3 a bad choice. So the looppool could be a site, where everyone who loads his works up to, has the right to download the others works. Maybe, from the same site, real customers could download by paying and order CDs. >My question is this: If we are unwilling to support each other's artistry >financially, how the heck can we expect the buying public at large to >support our artistry. Then again, if we try to make money amongst us, we will not get very far. The aim is to sell to people that are not able to make their own loop music. This fits to the recent discussion about uploading mp3 to LD. As Kim said, he may not have bandwidth for all of this, and I dont think that everything has to happen on LD. It is the specialist site, full of technical information and profound knowledge about its use and improvisation and such, but someone who is simply curious about what we do probably turns away without understanding and certainly without buying our music. Gibson is willing to support a new site that will be directed rather to the public and artists that are not yet familiar with looping, as has been discussed here and put together in my "action plan" mail. There we need a collection of music anyway to show what we can do. So I am thinking about how this may turn into our music pool. Is there a software that allows to transfer fragments of an mp3 file? This could be useful for both sides: - the curious surfer can get a quick idea about some music by listening to for example 10 seconds in the beginning, middle and end to get a quick picture - the artist has a way to pass the idea of the music without giving it away. To download the whole piece, the user has to pay. $.50 is not much, but adds up. Or he can order the CD. A fraction of it goes to the maintainance of the site. Also: Most of us who managed to create a professional CD sell them on their own label. Thats nice somehow, but its not very economic and not so impressive for the buyer. I decided long ago that I will not do it on my own and when I met Steve a month ago, I asked him spontaneously, whether I could join Pillow Mountain Records. We agreed that I would still pay for my own production, do it my way, but use his style of cover (which I like a lot anyway). Our music is of a similar energy/ideology, but still clearly distinct, so it makes sense for the customer to find more of what he likes in the same spot and we end up supporting each other. I am really looking forward to this! The big corporations fusions dont make sense any more, but maybe some of you could think whether a colaboration between a few independent musicians would make sense, no? Of course those tiny labels have to be linked to the looppool somehow, in everyones interest. >My completely gratuitous advice: There are some truly creative and great >recorded works commercially available by many Loopers Delight >artists. Right off the bat I can think of David Torn, Steve Lawson, >Amy X Neuburg, Ted Killian, Max Valentino, Andre La Fosse, Tom >Heasley and many, many more too numerous but nonetheless, deserving >to mention. Right! Claude Voit, Mich Gerber, Marco Cerletti, Stefan Keller, Renato Rizzo... just to name some swiss guys that have exellent EDP based professional CDs out! ;-) >Buy them, gang!!!! > >Let's put our mouths where our money is and support this community. their money... our mouths... :-) > >OK, end of soapbox segment of this e-mail...................LOL!!! I never really understood that soapbox thing... is it slippery? Do I stay on it? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 20:54:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13524; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:52:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:52:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 02:51:23 +0200 Subject: My own midi experimentations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778EA@Entcoexch15> Message-Id: <3BF8EDBD-DB21-11D6-8BE8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've used the Roland FC200 running in parallel with the 1010, with an extra expression pedal and footswitch, and am experimenting with different layouts for the control. What it gives me is a hell of a lot of control of the repeater. At any one time, I can have 21 control switches, and individual volume control for the 4 tracks. I'm also getting around to plugging the Oxygen8 back into the setup so that I can control the panning and pitch of the Repeater..... However, with the need to control other gadgets hands free, the only decent solution that I have found for myself is more foot-pedals/midi sensors. Its like building a control room, and visualising what you have in a physical form. Once that is there, set up around you and you are familiar with the setup, then you can play hands free with the eyes closed - The subconcious controlling the equipment. Something that a visualised a while back is at http://mapage.noos.fr/solostring/floorplan.gif - a rough idea.... and just a concept. I dont know... intelligent midi controllers are not my thing... even bank changes get in the way for me.... Am I alone in lusting for so many foot switches? :) -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 21:04:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15410; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:03:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:02:18 +0200 Subject: Kudos too to Thommann Customer Support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DA33303.80006FDA@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any loopers who are looking to mail order the FCB1010 (or anything else come to that) should try Thomann - https://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/thoiw2_index.html - I've heard it mentioned on LD before... I ordered a pedal from them online, and it was shipped the same day. However, it got lost, then returned back to them courtesy of the French postal service. However, on return to the store, they offered to ship it out via UPS at no extra cost (value of 35/40 euros). Considering the FCB1010 was only 156 euros, it was a really nice gesture and it probably meant that they lost out on the deal. They were prompt, efficient and caring... Every email to them was answered within 24 hours... often within the same hour. So, if anyone is paranoid about ordering online like I was, then throw away your fear and give these people a try :) I have 100% confidence in them, and will purchase many items through them in the future. -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 21:05:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15519; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:04:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:04:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021009010357.9741.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: Kudos to Roland Customer Support To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DA33303.80006FDA@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll second that! Amazing tech support from Roland. They will patiently walk a beginner through the paces on the phone... btw, I hope this is posting in plain text now!!! Bradley Fish sine@zerocrossing.net wrote:While we're thanking people (btw, Kim this is an amazing resource to theworld of music in general, not just looping), I'd like to step up and thankRoland Musical Instruments.Last night I had an issue installing a new OS for my MC-307. To make a longstory short, it was not Roland's fault at all, it was an issue with DigitalPerformer. Anyway, I totally expected today to be the beginning of aprolonged conflict with a non existent technical service department.Nothing could be further from the truth! I got through right away, withonly a little phone menu surfing. It was actually pretty simple to get tothe person I needed to get to.... and they picked up the phone after only afew rings! AMAZING. When he realized I needed more specific support for myproduct, he quickly transferred me to the right person who also picked upright away. The tech support guy was really nice and didn't treat me like amoron at all, even though I found that Roland hadn't posted the upgrade dueto the complexity of the install. He quickly explained how I needed toinstall the software, gave me a new copy, in case the one I had was corrupt,and pointed me to a better utility to do the install. I was off the phonein under 10 minutes.OK, Roland manuals aren't the best. Their web site generally sucks ass(almost no decent tech support at all via the web) but they totally pick upthe slack with real people that actually know their stuff.Anyway, I've heard others on this list critical of Roland's "GrooveApproved" products. Yeah, it's a bunch of marketing yada yada, but let metell you, if you're looking for a drum machine/sequencer that's got tons offeatures and great sounds for the price, I'd definitely recommend Rolandproducts. They're not perfect, but for the money you actually have sometech support. That's pretty rare in our world.Mark Sottilaro __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 21:19:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16423; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:18:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:18:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:17:48 +0200 Subject: Re: loop recordings pool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 02:52 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> It seems like a lot of loopers are interested in other loopers >> materials >> but it seems rather rare that some one will actually >> fork over some money to actually buy one. > > So far I just exchanged (swapped) CDs (mostly CD-Rs) with loop brothers > (and now the first from a sister is under way). I find this very > friendly and I made it to a pile of about 20 so far. I received Rick's CD through the post a while back, and have yet to repay the favour. Whilst I dont have the finances to share what I do on CD, please feel free to download whatever music I have on my site, and burn your own, share etc. etc. I also have a private mp3 archive on a limited bandwidth server... if anyone wants the password, just email me offlist. I'd also love to hear what other people do via mp3. It would be great to somehow have a page on LD that links to artists music... maybe categorised . via genre/equipment/artist and searchable... with direct downloads to offsite mp3 files.... -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 21:40:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17580; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:37:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:37:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 18:36:42 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: tiktok@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: review Sender: tiktok@sprintmail.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.121.30.90 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was one of J.D. Considine's "Short Takes" mini-reviews, actually the shortest one he ever wrote. Years later he apologized, saying it wasn't quite that bad, but that the opportunity was too good to pass up. No such claim was made for his review of the Yes album "Talk" [reprinted here in its entirety]: "Shut up." TH >my favorite review was a 2 word review for >spinal taps "shark sandwich": "shit sandwich" > >they can't print that, can they? My all-time favorite review was from the late, lamented Musician magazine, for the band GTR (Steve Hackett and Steve Howes pretty atrocious post-yes/Genesis band): SHT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 21:59:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18768; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:56:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 21:56:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: Subject: RE: review in NY Rock Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:55:49 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c26f36$ff3e8640$3009c5a9@azstarnet.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00d301c26e9d$0547af20$0201a8c0@eluk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, this whole pay-for-a-review stuff *stinks* to hell, and I speak as a professional music writer with a lot of words to my credit; I can also speak as a musician. Sure, I generally get paid for the writing (in some instances, I'll serve up free work, on my site, or elsewhere), but that comes out of the coffers of the company I work for, not the pockets of the artists I'm writing about. Now, if I was to be paid to write about an artist, it would be in a PR/promotional capacity, period (somebody has to turn out those windy press releases, y'know.) For reviews, the bottom line is: you send me your album, you take your chances on my getting to it, and writing about it in the course of my week, or depending on what my assignments editor sets me up with (at All Music Guide, I get a great deal of flexibility with indie releases.) The artist's investment ends at one or two copies of the album (it's preferred that a copy is sent for the archives, for scanning, and for the technical wizardry.) Any review site, at the most, should be ready to accept ads from artists who are having their CDs reviewed. Sticking an artist for $20 and dissing the album to boot is really cheesy. Any of you are welcome to send me your albums, and push me to make them a prority in getting the assignments set up. But I will never ask you for money. David -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: review in NY Rock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 16:22:PM Subject: Re: review in NY Rock > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " > > > I HATE reviews like this > > > > And...he had to pay $20 to get the review! > > > > "# Reviews are $20 each. Please make check payable to NY Rock. > > (Note, we have top-notch writers and do not expect them to work for > > free.) Payment guarantees an honest, objective review. Refunds a re > > not granted for any reason." > > OMG, that's unbelieveable - I'd seriously consider suing - 'top-notch > writers'? I know kids as young as 8 or 9 that would write better than > that... Well, the 'column' IS called Street Beat. Though after a reading of some of the other reviews, I think there's more emphasis on Beating than anything else. And he wants us to not only send a CD but PAY him! This jerk ought to work for one of the Big 5 record companies! Note that the 'writer' not only criticizes the supposed 'ease of production' that comes with Digital/CD-Recorders, coming just short of using the word 'masturbation', but does so using an even easier tool for such sloppy self-gratification: his keyboard. "Do you like music? Oh, I know, everyone SAYS they do." - David Byrne in "True Stories" S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 22:01:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20489; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:00:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:00:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: Subject: RE: Please check your computers Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:00:24 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c26f37$a1d265c0$3009c5a9@azstarnet.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DA22411.8C67B947@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oddly, I don't seem to be getting either Klez-infected or Bugbear-infected mails from Loopers Delight. All kinds of other places, though. Invluding some poor bastard in New Zealand who apparently had his entire company knocked out by Bugbear, bfore passing to an Australian concern. Nasty. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 22:05:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20919; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: Subject: Favorite reviews Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:03:40 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c26f38$16904300$3009c5a9@azstarnet.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2s1GqD.A.QGF.954o9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My all-time favorite review was James Agee's review of the play I AM A CAMERA: "Me no Leica." David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 22:08:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21252; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: Subject: RE: loop recordings pool Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:07:36 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c26f38$a35fa000$3009c5a9@azstarnet.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.tapegerm.com ... It's more an associated musical area (some of us work with live looping, others are structured), but it might be of interest to a few. I'm one of the members of the Tapegerm Collective, and it's nice to say we're getting some attention as we go along. David -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 8 22:55:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24520; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003601c26f38$a35fa000$3009c5a9@azstarnet.com> References: <003601c26f38$a35fa000$3009c5a9@azstarnet.com> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:53:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: loop recordings pool Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >(some of us work with live looping, others are structured) heheh, boy have you opened a can of worms with THAT! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 01:50:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08105; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:46:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:46:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ From: "David Alexander McDonald" To: Subject: RE: loop recordings pool Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:44:44 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c26f57$1e46f5c0$3009c5a9@azstarnet.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford [mailto:tom@swirly.com] >(some of us work with live looping, others are structured) heheh, boy have you opened a can of worms with THAT! Hey, we're used to it. 35 people from several countries with so many diverse styles my head spins ... We've opened so many cans of worms at times that we could be doing TREMORS 4. Don't even ask about where the guitarists stand in relationship to the keyboardists, because the drummers will sneak up and get you. I love this crazy outfit, I really do. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 01:57:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08673; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:49:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -isnt the production at still stand as per today for all intents and porpoises, the unit is not currently in production, despite what ktjmusic.com will tell you. -also how lowd are the switches how's the precision of critical presses eg End record or mute multiply i'm assuming these are two seperate questions...not loud at all. even at "bedroom" levels, i can't hear them. if i end a record out of time, it's because i'm clumsy, not because of the all access. the buttons are rather resistant (not like the edp footcontroller), but once you're used to that, it's no problem. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 01:58:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08720; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:54:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:54:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021008235622.00881990@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:56:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: re: recordings of 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL artist performances and commercially available material. In-Reply-To: <009901c26eb9$50c09a40$4e64f93f@global> References: <200210080306.XAA02775@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey rickster! no need to nudge, but go ahead if ya want, I like it! lol! -as soon as my gear gets back here I'm planning to start recording not only the material for this set, but a vocal piece I'm working on as we speak. I'll also be remastering my demo CD Muse, for release as well. In addition, I and the members of Brother Sync (name to be decided very soon) are also working on quite a bit of material, so I expect there will be copious quantities of recorded music very soon. we're also in the beginning stages of planning a Boulder or Colorado loop fest for ourselves, you, and anyone else who may be interested. Details to follow. Thanks soooo much for the wonderful review, and I can't wait to be involved with the second ever, Women's Looping Festival! -and to jam with ya in my hotel room again! -or domicile, as the case may be... lol! It was awesome, -if only we had a recorder... woohoo! Smiles, CQ At 03:56 AM 10/8/02 -0700, you wrote: >Viz a vis, the question regarding recordings of people's sets. > >A few of the individual artists's sets were recorded but not all of them. >Anyone interested would need to contact the artist's individually. > >AMY X has excellent CDs out and I would highly recommend that anyone >purchase them. >I believe all of her material from this concert is faithfully reproduced on >these >CDs. Check this wonderful artist out. > >DARK MUSE (aka Phyll Smith) also has wonderful CDs out and I can highly >recommend them >to people who enjoy Dark Ambient material. > >I'm expecting full length CDs from CQ and Unity Nguyen this year (nudge, >nudge, wink, wink) and I'm not sure if Audio Goddess has anything in the >works (well............?) > >That's the poop. > >yours, Rick Walker (aka Loop.pooL) > > >P.S. > > This is an afterthough, but I wanted to share it: > > It seems like a lot of loopers are interested in other loopers materials >but it seems rather rare that some one will actually >fork over some money to actually buy one. > >My question is this: If we are unwilling to support each other's artistry >financially, how the heck can we expect the buying public at large to >support our artistry. > >My completely gratuitous advice: There are some truly creative and great >recorded works >commercially available by many Loopers Delight artists. Right off the bat I >can think of >David Torn, Steve Lawson, Amy X Neuburg, Ted Killian, Max Valentino, Andre >La Fosse, Tom Heasley and many,many more too numerous but nonetheless, >deserving to mention. > >Buy them , gang!!!! > >Let's put our mouths where our money is and support this community. > >OK, end of soapbox segment of this e-mail...................LOL!!! > > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 03:40:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17742; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <17a.10099eb2.2ad535ac@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:33:00 EDT Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <9HUrPD.A.xUE.Yv9o9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I actually read about this delay after i had already purchased the pedal, > and i must say that i don't notice that in mine, so i thought that might > have been on individual units, rather than the 'rule' for the device. The "tech guy" at Yamaha UK didn't know this either. ...and it certainly didn't seem to be his job to find out. Its unlikely to be a fault that develops in some units only, and maybe Yamaha have an upgraded EPROM which fixes this, but are just keeping quiet about it. ...or maybe it just isn't something they give any thought to. > Perhaps it IS there, but i don't notice it, because by my design, my looping > strategy involves creating slightly oblong loops, rather than 'perfect' > ones. Who's to say which came a dictated first, the strategy or the > 'delay'? : ) If you can live with always losing the attack of the first note and things don't need to be rhythmically precise then you should rejoice in the wealth of MFC-10 functions ;-) (all those expression pedal inputs too) > > I guess i'd have to do a side-by-side test of the two pedals, or is there > another way of confirming this 'delay' which i have not noticed to this > point? Just connect it to a MIDI module (or keyboard) and play some notes. I had "tech guy" doing this at the other end of the phone line, and could hear him banging the switches way before the sound started. (but remember, a lot of those MIDI keyboard sounds have a delay of their own) Personally I find it to be a massively obvious delay to all functions, and quite useless for loop control. I'd definately avoid buying Yamaha after this. > > cheers, > jim. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 04:04:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20791; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:02:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:02:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: loop recordings pool Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:02:18 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000c01c26f6a$306224b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA20752 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Skickat: den 9 oktober 2002 02:52 > Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Ämne: loop recordings pool > > > Is there a software that allows to transfer fragments of an mp3 file? > I'm afraid I've never heard of such a software. Usually you simply create a short mp3 clip, beside the original full length mp3 file, and write the html code in such a way that the clip is streamed to the listener instead of downloaded. You can as well compress the clip at a higher rate, much appreciated by anyone sitting on a slow Internet connection. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 04:08:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21356; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:07:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:07:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1ad.9e70013.2ad53da6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:07:02 EDT Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Here's my suggestion (straight-forward but probably better ways of doing > this): Put the MFC-10 beside another MIDI pedal. (In my case, I'd probably > use a EDP EFC-7 and configure the EDP to send MIDI note-on/off.) Place the > pedals so you can press them reasonably simultaneously. Connect the MIDI > outputs of both to a computer interface (possibly through a merge box). Use > a MIDI monitor like MIDI-OX to capture the MIDI messages with timestamps so > we can accurately measure any time delay. > > I volunteer to collect data, but somebody will have to loan me an MFC-10. :) > > Dennis Leas Love the idea of using the EDP + EFC-7 as a MIDI pedal :-) The experiment I did was this:- Connect MFC-10 to MIDI module, ( yamaha MU10) and play notes for a few minutes. Then replace the MFC with a midi keyboard and play again. Quite weird actually, when playing the keyboard I felt like the notes were happening almost before I pressed the key. If you want a figure, delay is definately between 50mS and 100mS. With 12 notes a second being not uncommon in music, I reckon this is somewhat out of the "hmm, lets measure how big the delay really is" and more into "er...I'm sure I pressed something a while ago... ...where is it..........ah....is that it......huh... ........I pressed that?......." andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 04:50:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24616; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:49:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:49:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:49:07 EDT Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds actually unidentified subject To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <4_VzWB.A.DAG.J2-o9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I suspect you are loosing your time here. Andy Butler is of the kind > that sees all options and solutions except when he loses his car keys > Unfortunately there is no AntiTime yet, no Earlyzation... no soft > tool that does something just before you press a knob ;-) > actually there is quote from "Consciousness Explained" by Daniel C Dennett "A remarkable experiment by neurosurgeon W.Grey Walter.... with patients in whose motor cortex he had implanted electrodes" the patients were given a a button to press, and a series of slides to watch. They were told that the button advanced the slides, but actually the switch was a dummy, and the changeover from one slide to another was triggered by the brain electrode the patients: "..were startled by the effect, because it seemed to them as if the slide projector was anticipating their decisions. They reported that just as they were 'about to' push the button, but before they had actually decided to do so, the projector would advance the slide - and they would find themselves pressing the button with the worry that it was going to advance the slide twice." andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 05:37:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28610; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:34:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:34:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:33:41 EDT Subject: Re: loop recordings pool To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > So far I just exchanged (swapped) CDs (mostly CD-Rs) with loop > brothers (and now the first from a sister is under way). I find this > very friendly and I made it to a pile of about 20 so far. Indeed, Matthias dumped a whole load of music on my hard drive when he came to visit. Only just got round to listening. Marvelous experience, Stefan Keller's flute loop music was a real surprise. > > I am a little split about the form: I save all in mp3 on the HD, > because I am tired of CD mess and CD players, but some CDs are nice > to have for the cover. > Also, I hate to select which of my recordings is suitable for someone > I dont know yet, so I think about creating a CD-ROM full of mp3s > (still not all of my work!). > Some hear the difference, but somehow I doubt that most of us record > at a sufficient quality to make mp3 a bad choice. A lot of people hear the difference. ...and most people will be affected by the sound quality in terms of how much they enjoy the music, even if they don't perceive it as 'quality'. "standard 128 kBit stereo MP3 files" are not that good sounding, going to 160kBit improves things quite a lot. It makes a lot more difference what the music is played on though. Listening on small multimedia speakers next to a whining PC doesn't do much for the music. But after I transfered standard 'lofi' mp3s to CD and played on a 'proper hifi' the music really came to life. I like the idea of distributing selected tracks as mp3 giveaway, but also having high quality CDs available. > > So the looppool could be a site, where everyone who loads his works > up to, has the right to download the others works. > Gibson is willing to support a new site that will be directed rather > to the public and artists that are not yet familiar with looping, as > has been discussed here and put together in my "action plan" mail. > There we need a collection of music anyway to show what we can do. So > I am thinking about how this may turn into our music pool. :-) > Also: Most of us who managed to create a professional CD sell them on > their own label. Thats nice somehow, but its not very economic and > not so impressive for the buyer. check out Burning Shed: CDRs on demand an interesting way to sell music ....and they're going to be putting on a loop gig in norwich UK > > > > >OK, end of soapbox segment of this e-mail...................LOL!!! > > I never really understood that soapbox thing... is it slippery? Do I > stay on it? > FYI just a wooden box used by the speech maker as a stage. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 08:46:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11026; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:44:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 08:44:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c26f91$71548220$4763f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200210090804.EAA20934@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: A moment to stop and appreciate Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 05:43:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, I just woke up in the middle of the night with insomnia and wrestling with the existential demons that we all wrestle with sometimes. I'm exhausted and a little overworked. Sunao Inami sleeps in my home tonight, here for the first time in Northern California................ ........wonderful memories of my long hang with GODDESS still linger in my mind. I just read every daly post in the Loopers Delight, including the very sweet and gracious post of Matthias and visions of performing with him and Claude Voit in Switzerland, Per Boysen and Anders Ostberg in Sweden, Massimo Liverani and Luigi Meloni in Italy, Steve Lawson and Paul Marshall in the British Isles, Stuart Wyatt in France and several other wonderful artists this coming summer have me feeling giddy and hopeful about life. ......more memories of the delightful dinner I just had with our fearless leader Kim Flint and Goddess after the Woman's Looping Festival......of lunch with the very funny and talented Hans Lindauer at NAMM.......of breakfast with Larry the "O" (before I realized that he WAS Larry the "O" at Loopstock.....of hearing with great pride my brother's demo of the recently defunct Repeater at Y2K2 LOOPFEST........of jamming with my brother Steve Lawson and Michael Manring and Max Valentino during the 1st Bass Looping Tour.//// I love this community and I love this site......... Thanks everybody for being part of it all. with great appreciation, Rick Walker (just a part of the greater looppool........;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 09:44:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15814; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021009133342.8263.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:33:42 -0500 Subject: re: Question concering midi foot controller X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rob, Thanks for the feedback. I was looking into the FBC 1010 just yesterday. I think I one pedeal is what I'm interested in. My set up is pretty simple. I'm using a Boss SE-50, a Jamman and now I'm replacing a Boomerang with the Echoplex. This is mainly to get as much off the floor and into a rack as possible. I'm pretty good at keeping my pedal board simple and static once I get through experienting. I'm looking at some touring here in Europe and, you know, the less stuff to organise and carry works better. So, I guess the question then becomes a few in a row: Are the FBC 1010 switches programmable as momentary switches? Is one able to program the FBC 1010 to send simple program change messages? Would you suggest this pedal for these purposes I've described or is there something smaller or more portable I could look into. OK, let me know... Thank you again for your feedback, take care, michael b ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Michael Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Question concering midi foot controller Re: I recently had the same dilemma with the Ground Re: Control and the Repeater. Re: Re: While the Ground Control is plenty sophisticated to Re: control my guitar rack (MIDI pre-amp, Multi-FX,Gtr Re: synth) AND Repeater's functions--the fact is that it Re: was just too much tap dancing to use in real life. Re: Unless you have planned set and are REALLY organized Re: about the way you program your pdl brd, it's a Re: nightmare. I typically have abnk or 2 of GTR patches Re: followed by a bank or 2 syth patches-then a bank or 2 Re: Repeater functions. (OK there's my synth pad--now Re: scroll up 4 banks and hit record...no way...) Re: Re: Re: I found I always wanted the looping functions Re: available. I wound up using both the Ground Control Re: for the stuff it always did and a Begringer FCB1010 Re: for the Repeater. Sure, it looks like Mission Contrl Re: on the floor in front of me--but it sure works well... Re: Re: I'd be interested to hear what you come up with. Re: Re: Cheers, Re: Re: Rob Michael Re: Rob_Michael_2002@yahoo.com Re: Re: Re: Re: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20864; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:20:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:20:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:19:34 +0200 Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021009133342.8263.qmail@email.com> Message-Id: <229D33E8-DB92-11D6-8BE8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 03:33 PM, john smith wrote: > So, I guess the question then becomes a few in a row: > Are the FBC 1010 switches programmable as momentary switches? Unfortunately not (if I understand your question properly). The switches are not external plugin switches - they are outputs that send signals to guitar amps... switching channels etc. I've yet to experiment with this. > Is one able to program the FBC 1010 to send simple program change > messages? Yes. Each button can have 5 PC messages programmed (as well as 2 CC messages)... Each PC message can be globally assigned to different Midi channels - so in theory, you can send signals to 5 separate devices if you want to... 7 if you count the CC messages.... > Would you suggest this pedal for these purposes I've described or is > there something > smaller or more portable I could look into. Its certainly the best pedal I have experienced so far. There are other more complicated units, but the prices of those are way high in comparison. I'd recommend it :) -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 10:54:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23435; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:53:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:53:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer FCB1010 Quickstart Manual Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:52:35 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20021009145235.SXA2722.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This may have been posted before but I printed out the 'color' Quickstart guide for the FCB1010 from the Behringer website. It's actually pretty good. Made a lot of progress programming for my Repeater. Still had to use a combination of PC's and CC's to get basic functions to work. Docs are inconsistant. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 10:57:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23867; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:56:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:56:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003b01c26fa4$341c8840$8f255a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <200210080306.XAA02775@hemlock.violacea.com> <009901c26eb9$50c09a40$4e64f93f@global> Subject: Re: loop recordings pool / language clarification Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:57:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <5W8kTD.A.6zF.0NEp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias wrote: > I never really understood that soapbox thing... is it slippery? Do I > stay on it? Good one! The English phrase "to get on one's soapbox" derives from informal public oratory. In times past, someone who wanted to air their grievances publicly (in a park or public square) would use a wooden packing crate to stand upon -- sort of an improvised platform or podium -- and speak to the crowd. (Perhaps at one time or place this crate actually was one used to ship soap.) I believe that in some cities there were specific areas in certain public places for people to do this. This was a popular public entertainment during the Great Depression, for instance, when the common people who would never be able to broadcast their political opinions on radio could easily gather a crowd to listen to what they had to say. So the expression "on one's soapboax" has come to mean something like "airing one's opinion (sometimes quite forcefully) whether or not anyone else wishes to hear it" or "preaching one's point of view." So that when we "get off of our soapbox" we resume normal conversation, without any preaching or persuasion. Just another one of those linguistic landmines for the non-native English speaker . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 11:23:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29062; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:20:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:20:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021009151856.10041.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:18:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.228 X-Originating-Server: ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, Thanks for your reply. The fact that I can control five units from the FBC-1010 is good news. Right now I'll be talking to three units. I'll be able to expand in the future. Good! For clarification (I'm a little green at this), I'm using the term 'momentary switch' to refer to a switch (pedal button) that can be programmed to send a midi message when I press down (like 'note on'), and a second message when I release it (like 'note off'). I think this type of switch is also referred to as a 'latching' switch. Is that making sense? If not, I'll try to figure out the correct language to describe what I'm after. It would be great if I could also simply program a FBC-1010 switch send a 'note on' message with a single press and release (this, of course, be followed up sometime later by a 'note off' message from a separate switch). Do you know if the FBC-1010 have this capabitlity? Ok, I'm here! michael b ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Wyatt Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:19:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller Re: Re: On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 03:33 PM, john smith wrote: Re: Re: > So, I guess the question then becomes a few in a row: Re: > Are the FBC 1010 switches programmable as momentary switches? Re: Re: Unfortunately not (if I understand your question properly). The switches Re: are not external plugin switches - they are outputs that send signals to Re: guitar amps... switching channels etc. I've yet to experiment with this. Re: Re: > Is one able to program the FBC 1010 to send simple program change Re: > messages? Re: Re: Yes. Each button can have 5 PC messages programmed (as well as 2 CC Re: messages)... Each PC message can be globally assigned to different Midi Re: channels - so in theory, you can send signals to 5 separate devices if Re: you want to... 7 if you count the CC messages.... Re: Re: > Would you suggest this pedal for these purposes I've described or is Re: > there something Re: > smaller or more portable I could look into. Re: Re: Its certainly the best pedal I have experienced so far. There are other Re: more complicated units, but the prices of those are way high in Re: comparison. Re: Re: I'd recommend it :) Re: Re: -- Re: Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 12:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32409; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:54:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:54:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c26f79$c5336180$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <20021009151856.10041.qmail@email.com> Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:53:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: <_Zlqu.A.I6H.lEFp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, it does exactly that, which is what you need for the edp. > For clarification (I'm a little green at this), I'm using the term 'momentary switch' to refer to a switch (pedal button) that can be programmed to send a midi message when I press down (like 'note on'), and a second message when I release it (like 'note off'). I think this type of switch is also referred to as a 'latching' switch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 12:08:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02381; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 09:07:27 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: not very reliable live In-reply-to: <00e801c26e6c$875c6d60$6161f93f@global> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <34D0C268-DBA1-11D6-8161-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, Is there a possibility that there's something wrong with your Repeater? Could your hook up be squirrely? I stopped using the Repeater in the effect loop of my mixer because I couldn't grok it live. Too complex. At my first gig with the Repeater I thought I was getting weird volume fluxuations from it, but it turned out that I had a battery connection issue in my EMG pickups. Other times I could have sworn the Repeater was occaisionally malfunctioning, but after a little while it mysteriously stopped. The only explanation I can come up with is it was user error. The last dozen or so times I've gigged with the Repeater it's been flawless. Home too. Never crashes. I've totally goofed up and hit the wrong button, or gotten "stop" messages from Jon Wagner and wondered why my Repeater was malfunctioning. All in all I could trace any error to me or external forces. Next time we get together we should look at your Repeater setup and see what's up. I bet a dollar it's got to be something simple. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 06:46 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > planned for a set of vocalizations and some spoken word but her set was > unfortunately marred by some technical difficulties (due to the > extremely > limited time for sound checks that festival shows) and due to the fact > that > I lent her my Electrix Repeater which glitched in the middle of her > performance (god, I love and hate my Repeater........it does incredible > things and so far, is not very reliable live). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 12:38:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04447; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:38:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:38:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.31.98] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: recordings of 1st WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL artist performances and commercially available material. Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:37:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2002 16:37:06.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B030600:01C26FB2] Resent-Message-ID: <68TEoC.A.xEB.RtFp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Goddess: Congrats on what I heard was a great gig. I would be interested in hearing some of your stuff...and even sending you one of my CDs. Rick tells me oof wonderfully creative things you do... > we're also in the beginning stages of planning a Boulder or Colorado >loop >fest for ourselves, you, and anyone else who may be interested. Details >to follow. Please let me know! I am always up for a road trip, and my wife has relatives in Colo. If Rick is game I can even drag him along. Would definately be into going to Colo for a fest. Best, Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 13:57:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10547; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:53:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:53:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:51:55 +0200 Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021009151856.10041.qmail@email.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 05:18 PM, john smith wrote: > The fact that I can control five units from the FBC-1010 is good news. > Right now I'll be talking to three units. I'll be able to expand in > the future. Good! Just make sure that you set up the Midi Channels for each of the PC messages in the global settings. Re: the latching key, I'm not sure - I'm still new at this myself :) -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 14:23:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13856; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:19:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:19:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:29:58 -0700 Message-Id: <200210091129.AA534118524@lanes.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "mark penner" Reply-To: To: Subject: Rack Case for my EDP X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do you think it needs to be a case with shock absorbers? __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 14:34:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14836; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:33:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:33:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: new release::magicicada::putting out fires unfinished:: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:32:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, I have been quiet for a long time now and today I am here too do a little shamless whoring. I hope you do not mind. My new cd is out.. it can be purchased at http://www.submarinerecords.com/pofu.htm more info about the cd and sound samples can be found and more added soon... http://www.magicicada.com this one will only be up for a couple days http://www.magicicada.com/2.mp3 it is meant to be listened to as one long song but i put track markers in it so you can skip about if you happen to want to listen to just one particular section of the piece. every sound is on equal ground---from banjo to white noise to cello- and back again- soon i will have a mix of all the songs up on my site so you can get more of a feel for it- a large majority of it was done live with the repeater and my line 6 playing major roles in the process. the cd is 10 with 3 dollars for shipping. i hope you enjoy it and sorry for the intrusion. thanks c.white From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 15:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22853; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:28:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:28:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:27:45 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds actually unidentified subject To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02a901c26fc9$f1b250e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... > "A remarkable experiment by neurosurgeon W.Grey Walter.... > with patients in whose motor cortex he had implanted electrodes" >... cool. i want one. but if we hook this to the echoplex, will we have to think in russian? will we then be as tough as clint eastwood? hey, what if we just hook it to the instrument itself? i thought i was going to play a paganini lick and there it was... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 15:40:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23486; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:37:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021009193609.25558.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:36:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com S, Thanks again, I'll keep my ears open and let you know. mb ---- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Wyatt Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:51:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller Re: Re: On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 05:18 PM, john smith wrote: Re: Re: > The fact that I can control five units from the FBC-1010 is good news. Re: > Right now I'll be talking to three units. I'll be able to expand in Re: > the future. Good! Re: Re: Just make sure that you set up the Midi Channels for each of the PC Re: messages in the global settings. Re: Re: Re: the latching key, I'm not sure - I'm still new at this myself :) Re: -- Re: Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 15:48:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23676; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:38:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:38:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021009193753.26956.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:37:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bruce, Thanks on the 'latching' switch question. mb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Comens" Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:53:49 +0200 To: Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller Re: Yes, it does exactly that, which is what you need for the edp. Re: Re: > For clarification (I'm a little green at this), I'm using the term Re: 'momentary switch' to refer to a switch (pedal button) that can be Re: programmed to send a midi message when I press down (like 'note on'), and a Re: second message when I release it (like 'note off'). I think this type of Re: switch is also referred to as a 'latching' switch. Re: Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 15:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24209; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DA4874E.4090903@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 14:45:18 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide References: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Three cheers and a little dance for this proposal. Henry Stuart Wyatt wrote: > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the > midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software > that will do this). > > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? > > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its > been discussed before I think.... > > I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but > its difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your > brain is fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - > especially with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by > step, easily navigable guide with everything that a looper would > need... tips... full programming charts.... etc. etc. > > Just a thought.... > -- > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > http://www.solostring.com > stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 15:52:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24382; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:46:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:46:12 -0400 Message-Id: <200210091546.AA4124770548@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Live Repeater X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've gigged many times with my Repeater with zero problems. I've found it to be completely reliable. It could be issues with your unit, which would be really unfortunate. Is electrix going to repair existing units, or are we out of luck if something goes wrong? Kevin P.S. still waiting on them to publish their file formats, which they promised long ago. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 16:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25342; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:55:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:55:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA4897A.9F5EAC2F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 12:54:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Live Repeater References: <200210091546.AA4124770548@mail.unitcircle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe TC-Electronics is going to be doing any warrentee work on Electrix gear. Mark Kevin Goldsmith wrote: > I've gigged many times with my Repeater with zero problems. I've found it to be completely reliable. It could be issues with your unit, which would be really unfortunate. Is electrix going to repair existing units, or are we out of luck if something goes wrong? > > Kevin > > P.S. still waiting on them to publish their file formats, which they promised long ago. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com > Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com > ------------------------------------------------------------- > New From Unit Circle: > Intonarumori - "Material" > http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 16:22:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28695; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:21:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:21:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c26fd1$4c5e6d60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <200210091546.AA4124770548@mail.unitcircle.com> <3DA4897A.9F5EAC2F@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Live Repeater Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:20:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That would be wonderful- TC service/support is great. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "loopers" Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Live Repeater > I believe TC-Electronics is going to be doing any warrentee work on Electrix gear. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 16:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29680; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:27:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:27:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA49120.482BDF8C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:27:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide References: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DA4874E.4090903@bagend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hate to say this, but I think you're both a bit off on this. Programming a pedal for someone might help in the short term, but in the end the person will be "stuck" with someone else's ideas about how the pedal should operate. I know it's a pain in the ass, but buckle down and learn it. It's not that bad, in the scheme of things. I've programmed quite a few devices in my day, and until you've tried to come up with patches for the Yamaha DX7 or make a sequence on a Brother sequencer (yeah, that's right, the typewriter company made MIDI sequencers for a while!) you don't know hell. Trust me, what you learn from forcing yourself to program the FCB1010 will be helpful in programming any device in the future. You'll learn how to learn decipher manuals and really use gear as it's suited for you. You'll get your money's worth out of the gear and be happier in the end. Trust me, I've gotten rid of units because they were too hard to program or operate, and the FCB1010 is not one of them. Get a good night sleep, put away your bong, read the manual and spend a Sunday afternoon figuring it out. I know you can do it! Mark Sottilaro Henry Heine wrote: > Three cheers and a little dance for this proposal. > > Henry > > Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help > > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide > > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the > > midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software > > that will do this). > > > > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? > > > > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, > > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect > > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions > > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its > > been discussed before I think.... > > > > I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but > > its difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your > > brain is fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. > > > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info > > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - > > especially with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by > > step, easily navigable guide with everything that a looper would > > need... tips... full programming charts.... etc. etc. > > > > Just a thought.... > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > > http://www.solostring.com > > stuart@solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 16:29:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29162; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:23:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:23:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:23:14 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02d501c26fd1$b1f8dd40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i use the allaccess and i have to disagree. if you are looping an acoustic instrument using a microphone, the switch sound can bleed into the loop. also i find the resistance of the buttons (~4lbs activation force) to effect my timing. i haven't finished getting my looping rig together, but i am currently using a separate footswitch for the edp. the allaccess is the best midi pedal i have used, but i could definitely improve it. i've even been thinking about taking on the midi footswitch design problem myself, though i'm currently thinking a dumb pedal into a rackmount computer might be best... it is interesting how the activation force problem is related to the walter experiment described by andy butler in this thread. the time between brain telling foot to step and the button actually being down goes up a bit. trap set players have to deal with this with the kick pedal and with drum/cymbal selection when improvising. usually, they are able to build it into muscle memory so they aren't thinking: "i am going to want a kick drum 40ms from now, so i better start pushing..." i imagine it is possible to get used to the activation time of the 4lb buttons. then when you use a quicker interface, your brain may tell you it is anticipating... >... > -also how lowd are the switches how's the precision of critical presses eg > End record or mute multiply > > i'm assuming these are two seperate questions...not loud at all. even at > "bedroom" levels, i can't hear them. if i end a record out of time, it's > because i'm clumsy, not because of the all access. the buttons are rather > resistant (not like the edp footcontroller), but once you're used to that, > it's no problem. > > -jim > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 16:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29741; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA49154.AB6DDF66@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:28:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds actually unidentified subject References: <02a901c26fc9$f1b250e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Take the blue pill! jim palmer wrote: > >... > > "A remarkable experiment by neurosurgeon W.Grey Walter.... > > with patients in whose motor cortex he had implanted electrodes" > >... > > cool. i want one. > but if we hook this to the echoplex, will we have to think in russian? > will we then be as tough as clint eastwood? > > hey, what if we just hook it to the instrument itself? > i thought i was going to play a paganini lick and there it was... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 16:45:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31322; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:44:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:44:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: FCB 1010--step by step guide Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:40:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c26fd4$14ea8960$5e0a230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3DA49120.482BDF8C@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and remember that you may need to increment the listed PC values by +1 to get them to work ... mike > -----Original Message----- > From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide > > > I hate to say this, but I think you're both a bit off on > this. Programming > a pedal for someone might help in the short term, but in the > end the person > will be "stuck" with someone else's ideas about how the pedal should > operate. I know it's a pain in the ass, but buckle down and learn it. > It's not that bad, in the scheme of things. I've programmed > quite a few > devices in my day, and until you've tried to come up with > patches for the > Yamaha DX7 or make a sequence on a Brother sequencer (yeah, > that's right, > the typewriter company made MIDI sequencers for a while!) you > don't know > hell. Trust me, what you learn from forcing yourself to program the > FCB1010 will be helpful in programming any device in the > future. You'll > learn how to learn decipher manuals and really use gear as > it's suited for > you. You'll get your money's worth out of the gear and be > happier in the > end. > > Trust me, I've gotten rid of units because they were too hard > to program or > operate, and the FCB1010 is not one of them. Get a good > night sleep, put > away your bong, read the manual and spend a Sunday afternoon > figuring it > out. I know you can do it! > > Mark Sottilaro > > Henry Heine wrote: > > > Three cheers and a little dance for this proposal. > > > > Henry > > > > Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > > > > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be > done to help > > > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able > to provide > > > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > > > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to > transfer the > > > midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to > PC/Mac software > > > that will do this). > > > > > > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > > > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? > > > > > > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around > the FCB1010, > > > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your > time to dissect > > > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple > instructions > > > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or > PDF..... Its > > > been discussed before I think.... > > > > > > I know that a lot of information already exists in the > archives, but > > > its difficult to find what you are looking for - > especially if your > > > brain is fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. > > > > > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) > with info > > > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - > > > especially with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at > creating step by > > > step, easily navigable guide with everything that a looper would > > > need... tips... full programming charts.... etc. etc. > > > > > > Just a thought.... > > > -- > > > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > > > http://www.solostring.com > > > stuart@solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 16:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31427; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:44:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:44:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c26fd5$fe6f0100$34a55e82@audiows> From: "David Auker" To: References: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DA4874E.4090903@bagend.com> <3DA49120.482BDF8C@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:53:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Besides the initial learning, programming should be ongoing...Ideally, one would be tweaking it all the time! I know I've got a couple banks set up for Repeater control; it works fine, and I haven't touched anything for ...too long. Now I'd have to re-learn how to do it :-( One thing I should change: "Erase Loop" is on my bottom row...a bit too easy to mis-hit. There is no Undo for that. David A. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide > I hate to say this, but I think you're both a bit off on this. Programming > a pedal for someone might help in the short term, but in the end the person > will be "stuck" with someone else's ideas about how the pedal should > operate. I know it's a pain in the ass, but buckle down and learn it. > It's not that bad, in the scheme of things. I've programmed quite a few > devices in my day, and until you've tried to come up with patches for the > Yamaha DX7 or make a sequence on a Brother sequencer (yeah, that's right, > the typewriter company made MIDI sequencers for a while!) you don't know > hell. Trust me, what you learn from forcing yourself to program the > FCB1010 will be helpful in programming any device in the future. You'll > learn how to learn decipher manuals and really use gear as it's suited for > you. You'll get your money's worth out of the gear and be happier in the > end. > > Trust me, I've gotten rid of units because they were too hard to program or > operate, and the FCB1010 is not one of them. Get a good night sleep, put > away your bong, read the manual and spend a Sunday afternoon figuring it > out. I know you can do it! > > Mark Sottilaro > > Henry Heine wrote: > > > Three cheers and a little dance for this proposal. > > > > Henry > > > > Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > > > > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help > > > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide > > > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the > > > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the > > > midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software > > > that will do this). > > > > > > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi > > > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? > > > > > > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, > > > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect > > > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions > > > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its > > > been discussed before I think.... > > > > > > I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but > > > its difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your > > > brain is fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. > > > > > > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info > > > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - > > > especially with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by > > > step, easily navigable guide with everything that a looper would > > > need... tips... full programming charts.... etc. etc. > > > > > > Just a thought.... > > > -- > > > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project > > > http://www.solostring.com > > > stuart@solostring.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 17:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01340; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:00:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:00:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021009205922.49987.qmail@web40511.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 13:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 Quickstart Manual To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021009145235.SXA2722.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like the FCB 1010 quite easy to program actually(but globally a pain in the ass) one thing i haven´t been able to figure out is how to tap tempo my delays on my GP100.It works on other gear and i used to be able to do it with the PMC 10.Does anybody have a GP100? Cheers Louie > This may have been posted before but I printed out > the 'color' Quickstart guide for the FCB1010 from > the > Behringer website. > > It's actually pretty good. Made a lot of progress > programming for my Repeater. Still had to use a > combination of PC's and CC's to get basic functions > to > work. Docs are inconsistant. > > Regards, Paul > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 18:12:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08042; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:06:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:06:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.170.192.19] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NWEAMO Fest 2002 Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 15:05:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2002 22:05:05.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC5C0940:01C26FDF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everyone, Here's a show I'm participating in down in San Diego this weekend. The Portland weekend was last weekend. I would've posted it, but I was out of town on a business trip. Matt >From: Collective >Reply-To: rubble@TrummerFlora.com >To: trummerflora-collective@TrummerFlora.com >Subject: NWEAMO Fest 2002 >Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:26:37 -0800 > > > >NWEAMO 2002 >4th Annual Portland/San Diego International Electro-Acoustic Music Festival >Lisle Ellis/Marcos Fernandes/Robert Montoya, Fussible, DJ I Robot, Maxime >De La Rochefoucauld, Joshua Russell, Jeffery Byrd, Joseph Waters, CMAU, >Rodrigo Sigel, Matt Davignon, Javier Alejandro Garavaglia, Yoshiko Ando, >Irving + Orser (see artist profiles below) >Friday & Saturday, October 11 & 12, 8pm >Smith Recital Hall >School of Music and Dance >San Diego State University >5500 Campanile Drive >San Diego, CA 92182 >General: $10/night; $17/both nights >Student/senior: $ 7/night; $12/both nights >Information: http://www.nweamo.org (Please use Internet Explorer) >Box office (Smith Recital Hall): (619) 594-1696 > > >+ + + + + + + + + > > >What: NWEAMO (North-West Electro-Acoustic Music Organization) announces >its >fourth annual festival showcasing a broad international spectrum of >composers and sound artists, employing the latest innovations in >electronics, performance and aesthetics. This year for the first time >this >will be two city event - artistically linking two great, but often >overlooked west coast cities. > >Mission of NWEAMO: to forge connections between the classical electronic >avant-garde and artists working at the experimental fringes of electronica. > >Lineup: 28 composers and sound artists from Great Britain, Germany, Japan, >Canada, Mexico, Australia, Bulgaria and around the USA > >When: Oct. 11/12, 2002 San Diego - Friday and Saturday night > (Oct. 4/5, 2002 Portland) > >Times: 8 PM, Friday and Saturday nights >Prices: general: $10/night $17/both nights > student/senior: $ 7/ night $12/both nights >Information: www.nweamo.org (Please use Internet Explorer) >(619) 303-1509 > >Ticket purchases: box office (Smith Recital Hall) (619) 594-1696 - >available Sept. 3 > >Highlights: > >Fussible of the Nortec Collective. From Tijuana, Fussible use north Mexican >Nortenja music as basis for electronica. Hard-edged and highly rhythmic, >beat-oriented experimental dance music. They are gaining international >attention and are performing regularly world-wide. Fussible was formed by >Pepe Mogt and Jorge Ruiz of Tijuana, Mexico. They previously were part of >Artefakto (1991-1996), alongside Roberto Mendoza (who now goes by the name >Panoptica.) They released three albums as Artefakto and can be found on >many compilation labels including Zoth Ommog, Cri Du Chat, and Opcion >Sonica. They collaborated with KMFDM to produce their first Artefakto >album >"Des-construccion." (San Diego only) > >DJ I Robot -performance artist, composer, inventor and MIT professor Chris >Csikszentmihalyi will perform on Friday night with DJ I-Robot "... the >world's first random-access, fully analog robotic DJ system...three >high-speed robotic turntables, an rs-485 network, and a custom C++ based >improvisation and composition system." One of the hottest cross-genre >artists internationally, Chris is creating ground-breaking work that >crosses >and unites all areas of studio and performance arts, popular and >avant-garde, digital and analog - in so doing it raises questions about >aesthetics, the evolution of art, even the integrity of live performance >and >the limits of human cognition. It is also extremely engaging. Chris will >also be offering a master class at SDSU on Friday afternoon >http://web.media.mit.edu/~csik/dj-i-robot/ (San Diego only) > >Lisle Ellis, Marcos Fernandes, Robert Montoya - (San Diego/Tijuana) Ellis >(electronics/bass), Fernandes (electronics/percussion) and Montoya >(sampler) >merge experimental electronica and improvisation to create pulsebeat >soundscapes rich in timbre and texture. Together they draw from a vast pool >of musical influences, including jazz, world-beat and classical. >http://www.accretions.com/ (San Diego only) > >Maxime De La Rochefoucauld - (Montréal, Québec) creates orchestras of >robotic instrument/sculptures. Through his use of sophisticated mechanical >controls, a wide assortment of acoustically resonant bodies, from African >drums to wine bottles, come alive and play themselves. This is 19th century >technology wedded with 21st century - a beautiful and surreal combination. >Maxime maintains a web page that does an excellent job of conveying the >flavor of his highly individual art.) >http://homepage.mac.com/automateski/home.html (Portland and San Diego > >Joshua Russell - Recently prominently featured in Wired Magazine, Joshua >Russell is the originator of the term lowercase sound, and a driving force >behind one of the newest genres in electronica. lowercase sound is >concerned >with an exploration of all the quiet, unobtrusive sounds, both mechanical >and natural, that surround us every day and night,- but that we have >inadvertently "learned" to ignore through cultural conditioning. In stark >contrast to the often overpowering loudness of much of electronica, this >music pokes into the nooks and crannies of sound, with subtle, highly >structured compositions that seduce the listener into exploring with their >ears and questioning the way they listen to music and the world that >surrounds it. www.lowercasesound.com (Portland and San Diego) > >Jeffery Byrd - Performance artist will present Raft of Medusa, a >disturbing, >genre-bending work. Jeffery Byrd is a photographer and performance artist >whose work has been widely shown throughout the US. Byrd's elegantly >minimal art explores the metaphoric potential of the human body through >video, movement, original music and otherworldly vocals. His solo >exhibitions have been shown in New York, Minneapolis, Philadelphia and >Portland. He has performed at the Lincoln Center, DCTV, Greenwich House, >Chicago's N.A.M.E gallery, Boston's Institute for Contemporary Art, Full >Nelson in Los Angeles, and many other venues throughout the US. (San Diego >only) > >Joseph Waters - The artistic director of NWEAMO, Waters, travels widely >presenting his music and spreading the message that the classical music of >the future is here now - flowing across all cultures, genres and borders >and >developing equally in dance clubs, bedrooms and laboratories around the >world. He will be performing on DJ Rig with percussion wiz Joel >Bluestone, >and premiering Heart of Mephisto. http://www.josephwaters.com/ (Portland >and San Diego) > >CMAU - not your typical classical music quartet: Instead of violins they >use >a strange collection of instruments ranging from toy pianos to amplified >dry >ice. Said Fred Frith: "The most seductive and mysterious group improvising >I've heard since I first came across AMM." They are from Oakland, CA. and >have performed in the US, Australia, Canada, France and Finland. (Portland >and San Diego) > >Rodrigo Sigal - from Mexico City, now based in London, Sigal is a member of >the current generation of international Mexican avant-garde composers >involved in bringing esoteric software synthesis together with live >performance. He will be presenting his new virtuoso work for marimba and >live electronics, performed by the composer and virtuoso percussionist >Robert Essler. Essler has performed with Steve Reich, Pierre Boulez, Evan >Ziporyn, the Detroit Symphony and numerous others and was first prize >winner >in the prestigious Vienna International Music Competition. >http://www.rodrigosigal.com/ (Portland and San Diego) > >Matt Davignon - preferring gritty, mechanical, and analog over pristine and >digital, Davignon performs with an ensemble of cassette players, using them >to create evolving soundscapes from layers of carefully edited and >transformed samples. (San Diego only) > >Javier Alejandro Garavaglia - Italian and Argentinian composer based now in >Essen, Germany. Garavaglia reworks Brukner's Ninth Symphony, fragmenting, >warping and transforming it with live electronics and amplified viola. >(Portland and San Diego) > >Yoshiko Ando - Japanese composer based in New York, Ando combines soprano >saxophone and live electronics. (San Diego only > >multi-media duo Irving + Orser (Portland, OR) blend minimal electronic >sounds with haunting images. Jon Irving is a audio-visual artist working in >the fields of "post-digital" music and installation art with releases on >the >stasisfield mp3 label. Jon Irving's audio work ranges from synthetic >ambient >soundscapes to imagined architectural audio spaces, digital compositions >using field recordings and found sounds as source material to consciously >using "errors" in the realization of a sound work. In 2001 he joined the >board of directors of the Northwest Electro-Acoustic Music Organization. > >Portland-only Artists: > >Twine/Phase4-DJ/VJ duo, newly signed recording artists with Bip-Hop >(France) >from Columbus, Ohio. Twine/Phase4 returns to make their second appearance >at NWEAMO, before zooming off to play at the Tarascon Castle, France. >These are International rising stars >"They are most easily categorized as electronic musicians, sharing the >minimal, atmospheric warmth of Autechre and Plaid, but they mix into this >an >unprecedented dedication to the abstract and experimental. This is evident >in their dark, sparse approach and their use of unusual sound sources, >including a seemingly infinite palette of static. It is from this >foundation >that they catapult themselves into a supremely rarified realm-they make >adventurous, forward-looking music that is supremely listenable." -- David >Morris, Audiogalaxy.com HTTP://TWINESOUND.COM (Portland only) > >KMH- (Tokyo/Berlin) formed in Spring 2001, KMH is 3 multi-media artists >concentrating on improvisational electronics, mostly using laptops. Their >backgrounds range from physics to fine arts. Video (live or recorded) or >other media usually accompanies these performances. KMH also works in >cross-over fields and installations. (Portland Only) > >Tom Reimer - (Vanvouver, BC) filmmaker and musician who combines >techno/house-tinged aural landscapes with video. (Portland Only) > >Mark Cooley - (Missouri) Consistent with NWEAMO's mission, Cooley work is >concerned with breaking down "...distinctions held between electronic and >acoustic music, live and recorded music, traditional and avant garde music, >music and noise, noise and information." - and also divisions between >visual and musical art - he has been composing for 14 years and is >Professor >of Digital Imaging at southwest Missouri State University. He performs on >guitar and laptop. http://courses.smsu.edu/mgc868f/mgcwork (Portland Only) > >Michael Theodore - (Boulder, CO) brings his cross-cultural tour-de-force >for >tabla and live electronics (Portland Only) > >The Ether Bunnies - (North Carolina) The Ether Bunnies are a one-of-a-kind >three piece instrumental group: They combine electronica with elements of >bluegrass, folk and rock, creating slowly evolving, textural pieces that >emphasize structure and composition. Performances involve live instruments: >guitar, slide guitar, xylophone, various drums & percussion, banjo, cheap >keyboards, pedal steel, and clarinet, augmented by live sampling and >looping >(Portland Only) > > >+ + + + + + + + + > > > >http://www.trummerflora.com/ >Trummerflora - Musicians collective dedicated to the performance, >distribution, and promotion of creative music. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 19:09:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14493; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:08:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:08:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: not very reliable live Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:08:03 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001401c26fe8$b85020b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <34D0C268-DBA1-11D6-8161-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I lent her my Electrix Repeater which glitched in the middle of her > > performance (god, I love and hate my Repeater........it > does incredible > > things and so far, is not very reliable live). I have to agree. My experience is that you have to adapt your performnce after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater. Sometimes when reaching a too fast tempo the Repeater simply cannot calculate the time streching. I have also run into problems when recording too long loops. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 19:35:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17703; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:32:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:32:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c26fb9$2d126b90$0cf8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> <02d501c26fd1$b1f8dd40$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:27:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i play seated and use my left leg for all access-ing...just sort of suspended in mid-air and the force of gravity on my leg allows for quick and timely button presses with little effort. however, there was a "getting used to it" period as the all access isn't nearly as easy to work with as the efc-7 for looping purposes where timing is the key. i've never looped with an acoustic and a mic, so pardon my inexperienced reply. > i use the allaccess and i have to disagree. > if you are looping an acoustic instrument using a > microphone... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 20:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24440; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:06:34 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds actually unidentified subject To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <037f01c26ff0$e5604140$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <02a901c26fc9$f1b250e0$080210ac@jpalmer> <3DA49154.AB6DDF66@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3cnf6.A.O9F.LSMp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com is that a chill pill? > Take the blue pill! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 20:24:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26591; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:23:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:23:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:22:35 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: was - Unidentified subject! - now midipedal, playing seated , and more!!! now how much would you pay? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <038201c26ff3$22279270$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> <02d501c26fd1$b1f8dd40$080210ac@jpalmer> <009701c26fb9$2d126b90$0cf8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > i play seated and use my left leg for all access-ing...just sort of > suspended in mid-air and the force of gravity on my leg allows for quick and > timely button presses with little effort. however, there was a "getting > used to it" period as the all access isn't nearly as easy to work with as > the efc-7 for looping purposes where timing is the key. are you left handed? my left foot is even clumsier than my right foot. i learned classical guitar technique from Charles Postlewaite, who had invented a 5 fingered right hand technique (using the pinky). to make my pinky stronger and more accurate, he had me use it to do things i would normally do during the day with my index finger. maybe i should try to do things left-footed more for the same reason... let's see- dial a phone? - push buttons? hmmmm do you ever play several instruments? i am trying to figure out how to setup my rig and have wondered how others deal with the problem of switching instruments, stations, etc. while playing seated. i was thinking of getting a stool or maybe a tall drum throne. i am using a wheeled computer chair now, but it is not very stable, not very portable, and not really tall enough. the wheels allow me to roll it, but it also rolls when i don't want it to. > > i've never looped with an acoustic and a mic, so pardon my inexperienced > reply. > no need for pardons. you have your view and i have mine. that's ok. it's up to the reader to decide if the info is good for them. i still consider myself a newbie at the live looping thing. in fact, i have yet to perform for an audience as a "looper" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 20:53:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28715; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:50:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:50:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA4CEB4.5AA4C264@zerocrossing.net> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:49:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live References: <001401c26fe8$b85020b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Show me a piece of gear that can't be broken, and I'll tell you you're not trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your performance after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater"? OF COURSE YOU DO. Try doing an 8 min loop on the EDP. Nope. Try inserting two beats of time into a Repeater loop. Nope. Just because you've found the limits of a piece of gear is no reason to say it's unreliable. I'm telling you people, just like the EDP, the Repeater is an instrument that needs to be learned and played. Practice has helped me immeasurably. I'm so used to it that when I got the EDP, that felt awkward, just as I had once thought the Repeater was. I think any high end looper is going to take time getting good at. Mark Sottilaro Per Boysen wrote: > > > I lent her my Electrix Repeater which glitched in the middle of her > > > performance (god, I love and hate my Repeater........it > > does incredible > > > things and so far, is not very reliable live). > > I have to agree. My experience is that you have to adapt your performnce > after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater. Sometimes when > reaching a too fast tempo the Repeater simply cannot calculate the time > streching. I have also run into problems when recording too long loops. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 9 22:46:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08111; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds actually unidentified subject Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:47:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2K0LWC.A.J-B.ojOp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com LOL -----Original Message----- From: SoundFNR@aol.com [mailto:SoundFNR@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Unidentified sub actually MIDI peds actually unidentified subject > I suspect you are loosing your time here. Andy Butler is of the kind > that sees all options and solutions except when he loses his car keys > Unfortunately there is no AntiTime yet, no Earlyzation... no soft > tool that does something just before you press a knob ;-) > actually there is quote from "Consciousness Explained" by Daniel C Dennett "A remarkable experiment by neurosurgeon W.Grey Walter.... with patients in whose motor cortex he had implanted electrodes" the patients were given a a button to press, and a series of slides to watch. They were told that the button advanced the slides, but actually the switch was a dummy, and the changeover from one slide to another was triggered by the brain electrode the patients: "..were startled by the effect, because it seemed to them as if the slide projector was anticipating their decisions. They reported that just as they were 'about to' push the button, but before they had actually decided to do so, the projector would advance the slide - and they would find themselves pressing the button with the worry that it was going to advance the slide twice." andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 00:15:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18667; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:14:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:14:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <126.18167476.2ad65854@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:13:08 EDT Subject: Re: NWEAMO Fest 2002 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_126.18167476.2ad65854_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_126.18167476.2ad65854_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/02 6:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > Matt Davignon - preferring gritty, mechanical, and analog over pristine and > >digital, Davignon performs with an ensemble of cassette players WOW.....what a great sounding event matt!.....do you think you will enjoy it?.....yikes.....stop at the cayuga vault on your way back for r.w's EAST MEETS WEST LOOPFEST this sunday >, sunday>, sunday>.....michael --part1_126.18167476.2ad65854_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/9/02 6:06:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


Matt Davignon - preferring gritty, mechanical, and analog over pristine and
>digital, Davignon performs with an ensemble of cassette players


WOW.....what a great sounding event matt!.....do you think you will enjoy it?.....yikes.....stop at the cayuga vault on your way back for r.w's EAST MEETS WEST LOOPFEST this sunday >, sunday>, sunday>.....michael
--part1_126.18167476.2ad65854_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 02:11:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27897; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:09:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:09:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021010001115.0088cbf0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:11:15 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live In-Reply-To: <3DA4CEB4.5AA4C264@zerocrossing.net> References: <001401c26fe8$b85020b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, wasn't going to chime in here just yet, but here goes. For some odd reason, midi, someone casually pressing a button, which is unlikely in this case, power surge, or just plain malfunction, I selected the first two tracks of a loop for recording, as I finished up the sound check, so I could immediately begin recording with them. I didn't check or touch the Repeater save pressing the record button to begin recording at the start of my set, and then found out that the selected track which should have been the first two, was now in fact track three alone. I'm expecting my gear tomorrow, so am planning to try to recreate this with my Repeater. The next thing that happened, after switching to a new loop to enable stereo pairs, and recording an initial loop, the Repeater only seemed to overdub for one pass and then go out of record again. I may have seen this scenario once with my Repeater, so not sure about it... I wasn't actually able to get it to go into record mode properly after that. so I needed to keep trying to toggle in and out of overdub to get passes to record. EEK!!! since I've rehearsed this with mine, meticulously I might add, since I depend on really LEARNING the processes, I tend to think there was something weird going on. -just my thoughts of course... Smiles, CQ At 05:49 PM 10/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >Show me a piece of gear that can't be broken, and I'll tell you you're not >trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your performance >after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater"? OF COURSE YOU >DO. Try doing an 8 min loop on the EDP. Nope. Try inserting two beats of >time into a Repeater loop. Nope. Just because you've found the limits of >a piece of gear is no reason to say it's unreliable. > >I'm telling you people, just like the EDP, the Repeater is an instrument >that needs to be learned and played. Practice has helped me immeasurably. >I'm so used to it that when I got the EDP, that felt awkward, just as I had >once thought the Repeater was. I think any high end looper is going to >take time getting good at. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Per Boysen wrote: > >> > > I lent her my Electrix Repeater which glitched in the middle of her >> > > performance (god, I love and hate my Repeater........it >> > does incredible >> > > things and so far, is not very reliable live). >> >> I have to agree. My experience is that you have to adapt your performnce >> after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater. Sometimes when >> reaching a too fast tempo the Repeater simply cannot calculate the time >> streching. I have also run into problems when recording too long loops. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Per Boysen >> ________________ >> www.boysen.se >> www.fuzz.se >> www.upsweden.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 02:31:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29842; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:29:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:29:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:28:01 +0200 Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DA49120.482BDF8C@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <6CC62CB4-DC19-11D6-8BE8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 10:27 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > I hate to say this, but I think you're both a bit off on this. From my side of the fence, I think you are a bit off on this too :) > Programming a pedal for someone might help in the short term.... Voila.... my point exactly. To be able to have a preset Sysex file of 10 different banks of controls, so that someone who has purchased a Repeater/1010 combo can start playing straight away....is.....bad? I understand the need of knowing how to program your equipment, but I know many musicians who are not technically minded. Why not give them a helping hand and allow them to start playing, and help them see the potential of their purchases? Allow them to play 'straight out of the box'.... > Get a good night sleep, put away your bong, read the manual and spend a > Sunday afternoon figuring it > out. I know you can do it! And when I do finish it, I'll try and create a sysex file if anyone is interested... :) -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 02:45:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31594; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:43:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:43:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021010064253.98490.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re:not very reliable live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021010001115.0088cbf0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also had a strange problem with the repeater,they are by the way the new os1.1 versions; The first one i got just plain stop working after 4 days out of the box as i was changing midi cables.I then got a new one and a few days later as i was playing, it made a very lound horrible static noise.It semms to have affected the EDP as well since it was showing some sort of reset countdown in the screen.I turned everything off and on again and it´s been healthy ever since.I haven´t tried the repeater live yet but i´d hate to go through that! Anyone else with similar cases? cu Louie ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 03:08:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01408; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:04:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:04:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Relying on Gear Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:02:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2702b$222a5720$7207f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021010001115.0088cbf0@pop.earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_iAsmC.A.hV.UZSp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My thoughts-- I tried real hard to present a show at the Santa Cruz thang that was without fatal error. Done purty good, too . . . but those of you present may recall me saying on the first tune, "That'll come back to haunt me." This shit is hard! And the more sophisticated a piece of gear (and the more frequently you reconfigure your setup), the more difficult to achieve reliable results. You just gotta do it a lot . . . That's the great thing about playing live with real people--they catch each other when they fall. Your gear is unforgiving--or mine is, anyway . . . Hell, I saw Andre step on the wrong pedal in Santa Cruz. He wasn't as used to the PMC at that point, however, and he is one of the less accident prone loopers (although he might disagree). Steve Lawson also seems to stay out of obvious trouble--wonder how he's doing with those twin EDPs. Hey Steve, how are you configuring them? Serial or parallel? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 03:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02464; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:18:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:18:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:18:37 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide In-reply-to: <6CC62CB4-DC19-11D6-8BE8-0003934B4712@solostring.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7EAED4A3-DC20-11D6-A405-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, let's agree to disagree. I really think we're talking about a "Give a man a fish/ Teach a man to fish..." deal. Mark On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:28 PM, Stuart Wyatt wrote: > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 10:27 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net > wrote: > >> I hate to say this, but I think you're both a bit off on this. > > From my side of the fence, I think you are a bit off on this too :) > >> Programming a pedal for someone might help in the short term.... > > Voila.... my point exactly. To be able to have a preset Sysex file of > 10 different banks of controls, so that someone who has purchased a > Repeater/1010 combo can start playing straight away....is.....bad? > > I understand the need of knowing how to program your equipment, but I > know many musicians who are not technically minded. Why not give them > a helping hand and allow them to start playing, and help them see the > potential of their purchases? Allow them to play 'straight out of the > box'.... > >> Get a good night sleep, put away your bong, read the manual and spend >> a Sunday afternoon figuring it >> out. I know you can do it! > > And when I do finish it, I'll try and create a sysex file if anyone is > interested... :) > > -- > Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 03:25:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02949; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:22:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:22:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:21:15 +0200 Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <7EAED4A3-DC20-11D6-A405-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 09:18 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Well, let's agree to disagree. I really think we're talking about a > "Give a man a fish/ Teach a man to fish..." deal. :) I'm not saying that your idea is wrong either.... Its just to give the looper a choice.... -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 03:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02368; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:16:28 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20021010001115.0088cbf0@pop.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <31C3D820-DC20-11D6-A405-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That sounds like definite problems with the Repeater in question, as I've never had that. The only thing I can think of is that you were receiving MIDI messages from an external sequencer. If not, I'd have that thing back for service, or at the very least reinstall the software. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:11 PM, Goddess wrote: > OK, wasn't going to chime in here just yet, but here goes. For some > odd > reason, midi, someone casually pressing a button, which is unlikely in > this > case, power surge, or just plain malfunction, I selected the first two > tracks of a loop for recording, as I finished up the sound check, so I > could immediately begin recording with them. I didn't check or > touch the > Repeater save pressing the record button to begin recording at the > start of > my set, and then found out that the selected track which should have > been > the first two, was now in fact track three alone. I'm expecting my > gear > tomorrow, so am planning to try to recreate this with my Repeater. > The next thing that happened, after switching to a new loop to > enable > stereo pairs, and recording an initial loop, the Repeater only seemed > to > overdub for one pass and then go out of record again. I may have seen > this scenario once with my Repeater, so not sure about it... I wasn't > actually able to get it to go into record mode properly after that. > so I > needed to keep trying to toggle in and out of overdub to get passes to > record. EEK!!! > since I've rehearsed this with mine, meticulously I might add, since > I > depend on really LEARNING the processes, I tend to think there was > something weird going on. -just my thoughts of course... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 05:49 PM 10/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >> Show me a piece of gear that can't be broken, and I'll tell you >> you're not >> trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your >> performance >> after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater"? OF COURSE >> YOU >> DO. Try doing an 8 min loop on the EDP. Nope. Try inserting two >> beats of >> time into a Repeater loop. Nope. Just because you've found the >> limits of >> a piece of gear is no reason to say it's unreliable. >> >> I'm telling you people, just like the EDP, the Repeater is an >> instrument >> that needs to be learned and played. Practice has helped me >> immeasurably. >> I'm so used to it that when I got the EDP, that felt awkward, just as >> I had >> once thought the Repeater was. I think any high end looper is going >> to >> take time getting good at. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> Per Boysen wrote: >> >>>>> I lent her my Electrix Repeater which glitched in the middle of her >>>>> performance (god, I love and hate my Repeater........it >>>> does incredible >>>>> things and so far, is not very reliable live). >>> >>> I have to agree. My experience is that you have to adapt your >>> performnce >>> after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater. Sometimes >>> when >>> reaching a too fast tempo the Repeater simply cannot calculate the >>> time >>> streching. I have also run into problems when recording too long >>> loops. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> ________________ >>> www.boysen.se >>> www.fuzz.se >>> www.upsweden.com >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 03:30:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03503; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:26:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:26:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005d01c26ffb$7eb3eb30$03f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: Subject: playing logistics (was: unidentified...) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:22:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "are you left handed? my left foot is even clumsier than my right foot." nope, right-handed. my left foot was clumsier for a while. now both feet are about even. they both have dedicated tasks...left gets the all access, right gets one of three volume pedals. "i learned classical guitar technique from Charles Postlewaite, who had invented a 5 fingered right hand technique (using the pinky). to make my pinky stronger and more accurate, he had me use it to do things i would normally do during the day with my index finger. maybe i should try to do things left-footed more for the same reason...let's see- dial a phone? - push buttons? hmmmm well, it was unnatural as hell initially but i knew i couldn't just use my right foot for everything since i often need to be doing two things on the ground at once...while playing...and even trying to think at the same time. and i thought chewing gum and walking at the same time was hard... "do you ever play several instruments? i am trying to figure out how to setup my rig and have wondered how others deal with the problem of switching instruments, stations, etc. while playing seated." yes. guitar, roland percussion pad, and nord lead keyboard. for ambient looping, it's guitar only but for the rock band, it's any one of the three. usually a guitar loop or percussion loop with something else on top of that. "i was thinking of getting a stool or maybe a tall drum throne. i am using a wheeled computer chair now, but it is not very stable, not very portable, and not really tall enough. the wheels allow me to roll it, but it also rolls when i don't want it to." i have a comfy swivel chair that i found in the garbage. i was using an old brown one with no back and then i stumbled across this gem (faded yellow braid)...arms have been removed and the padding is really thick. i can swivel and roll and relax all at the same time. it's the ideal height so that my legs are horizontal when at rest. i create a bit of a cubicle around myself...nord on the left, rack on the right, footpedal in front and percussion pad where ever i can find room. works for me... -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 03:32:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA02624; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:20:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:20:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:20:21 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: not very reliable live? In-reply-to: <20021010064253.98490.qmail@web40506.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA02595 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Are you sure it was the Repeater that made the loud static noise? I had that exact problem... but with the EDP. I had to send it away for repair at it became unusable. Mark Sottilaro On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:42 PM, Louie Angulo wrote: > I also had a strange problem with the repeater,they > are by the way the new os1.1 versions; > The first one i got just plain stop working after 4 > days out of the box as i was changing midi cables.I > then got a new one and a few days later as i was > playing, it made a very lound horrible static noise.It > semms to have affected the EDP as well since it was > showing some sort of reset countdown in the screen.I > turned everything off and on again and it¥s been > healthy ever since.I haven¥t tried the repeater live > yet but i¥d hate to go through that! > Anyone else with similar cases? > cu > Louie > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 04:00:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05244; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021010015525.008805f0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:55:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live In-Reply-To: <31C3D820-DC20-11D6-A405-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20021010001115.0088cbf0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, it's Rick's Repeater, and yes, I was linked to a seq, but I'd rehearsed the particular seq functions and deliberately stayed away from those I knew caused any Repeater strangeness. -we'll see, I'll hopefully have my gear back tomorrow, and will try it again. -but it shouldn't be a problem... Smiles, CQ At 12:16 AM 10/10/02 -0700, you wrote: >That sounds like definite problems with the Repeater in question, as >I've never had that. The only thing I can think of is that you were >receiving MIDI messages from an external sequencer. If not, I'd have >that thing back for service, or at the very least reinstall the >software. > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:11 PM, Goddess wrote: > >> OK, wasn't going to chime in here just yet, but here goes. For some >> odd >> reason, midi, someone casually pressing a button, which is unlikely in >> this >> case, power surge, or just plain malfunction, I selected the first two >> tracks of a loop for recording, as I finished up the sound check, so I >> could immediately begin recording with them. I didn't check or >> touch the >> Repeater save pressing the record button to begin recording at the >> start of >> my set, and then found out that the selected track which should have >> been >> the first two, was now in fact track three alone. I'm expecting my >> gear >> tomorrow, so am planning to try to recreate this with my Repeater. >> The next thing that happened, after switching to a new loop to >> enable >> stereo pairs, and recording an initial loop, the Repeater only seemed >> to >> overdub for one pass and then go out of record again. I may have seen >> this scenario once with my Repeater, so not sure about it... I wasn't >> actually able to get it to go into record mode properly after that. >> so I >> needed to keep trying to toggle in and out of overdub to get passes to >> record. EEK!!! >> since I've rehearsed this with mine, meticulously I might add, since >> I >> depend on really LEARNING the processes, I tend to think there was >> something weird going on. -just my thoughts of course... >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 05:49 PM 10/9/02 -0700, you wrote: >>> Show me a piece of gear that can't be broken, and I'll tell you >>> you're not >>> trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your >>> performance >>> after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater"? OF COURSE >>> YOU >>> DO. Try doing an 8 min loop on the EDP. Nope. Try inserting two >>> beats of >>> time into a Repeater loop. Nope. Just because you've found the >>> limits of >>> a piece of gear is no reason to say it's unreliable. >>> >>> I'm telling you people, just like the EDP, the Repeater is an >>> instrument >>> that needs to be learned and played. Practice has helped me >>> immeasurably. >>> I'm so used to it that when I got the EDP, that felt awkward, just as >>> I had >>> once thought the Repeater was. I think any high end looper is going >>> to >>> take time getting good at. >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>>>> I lent her my Electrix Repeater which glitched in the middle of her >>>>>> performance (god, I love and hate my Repeater........it >>>>> does incredible >>>>>> things and so far, is not very reliable live). >>>> >>>> I have to agree. My experience is that you have to adapt your >>>> performnce >>>> after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater. Sometimes >>>> when >>>> reaching a too fast tempo the Repeater simply cannot calculate the >>>> time >>>> streching. I have also run into problems when recording too long >>>> loops. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> ________________ >>>> www.boysen.se >>>> www.fuzz.se >>>> www.upsweden.com >>> >>> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 04:09:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA07425; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005601c27002$ab9e02a0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <20021009151856.10041.qmail@email.com> <007301c26f79$c5336180$66effea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Question concering midi foot controller Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:13:48 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Yes, it does exactly that, which is what you need for the edp. > > > For clarification (I'm a little green at this), I'm using the term > 'momentary switch' to refer to a switch (pedal button) that can be > programmed to send a midi message when I press down (like 'note on'), and a > second message when I release it (like 'note off'). I think this type of > switch is also referred to as a 'latching' switch. I believe a 'latching' switch would send (for example) a 'note on' when you press down then stay in that state (latched) until you press it again to send (for example) a 'note off'. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 04:36:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09094; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:32:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:32:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:30:53 -0700 Subject: Beginners questions From: Matt Nicholson To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm just starting out with the EDP and I'm having some difficulties loading samples from Recycle. Has anyone tried this? I need some instructions on setting up Recycle to exchange loops with my Echoplex. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Matt Nicholson Nicholson_matt@msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 05:52:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA15965; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 05:48:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007701c27042$19480d20$9763f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200210100720.DAA02781@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: re: SV: not very reliable live Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:47:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark Sottilaro wrote: "Show me a piece of gear that can't be broken, and I'll tell you you're not trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your performance after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater"? OF COURSE YOU DO. Try doing an 8 min loop on the EDP. Nope. Try inserting two beats of time into a Repeater loop. Nope. Just because you've found the limits of a piece of gear is no reason to say it's unreliable. I'm telling you people, just like the EDP, the Repeater is an instrument that needs to be learned and played. Practice has helped me immeasurably. I'm so used to it that when I got the EDP, that felt awkward, just as I had once thought the Repeater was. I think any high end looper is going to take time getting good at." Dear Mark, I have had the Repeater tank out on me in four our of my last four live performances. My suspicion is that midi CC messages from both my WX5 wind synth and my Behringer midi pedals are overwhelming the unit but I'm just not sure. When it malfunctioned during Goddess's set the other night I had a horrible sinking feeling. It may be that I have an anomalous problem or a malfunctioning unit but there is also the distinct possiblity that the Repeater has some serious bugs in it. Given the erratic history of the release of the unit you have to admit that this might be a distinct, albeit depressing possibility. Trust me , buddy, I've tried hard enough. So, a queery: has anyone else been able to successfully use the Repeater with a wind controller and a set of midi pedals? yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 06:39:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20675; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c27049$207bc120$b9424ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <000001c2702b$222a5720$7207f843@gary> Subject: Re: Relying on Gear Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:36:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Gary, not picked up the second EDP yet, may go and get it today... I'll be running them so I can use them in series or Parallel - running the two outputs from my Lexicon in the two EDPs, then running one of the EDPs back into my Lexicon effects return, as well as into the other EDP, I think... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: Relying on Gear > My thoughts-- > I tried real hard to present a show at the Santa Cruz thang that was without > fatal error. Done purty good, too . . . but those of you present may recall > me saying on the first tune, "That'll come back to haunt me." This shit is > hard! And the more sophisticated a piece of gear (and the more frequently > you reconfigure your setup), the more difficult to achieve reliable results. > You just gotta do it a lot . . . > That's the great thing about playing live with real people--they catch each > other when they fall. Your gear is unforgiving--or mine is, anyway . . . > Hell, I saw Andre step on the wrong pedal in Santa Cruz. He wasn't as used > to the PMC at that point, however, and he is one of the less accident prone > loopers (although he might disagree). Steve Lawson also seems to stay out > of obvious trouble--wonder how he's doing with those twin EDPs. Hey Steve, > how are you configuring them? Serial or parallel? > Gary > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 07:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26411; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:53:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:53:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c27052$f83be820$272a93d4@black> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <200210100720.DAA02781@hemlock.violacea.com> <007701c27042$19480d20$9763f93f@global> Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:48:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com guys some thought -why did it happen on stage did it happen at home too ? -if it also happens at home you could record all the midi streams in a seq and hope the problems will arise then its perhaps easyer to debug, workaround, reproduce ? -one thing that is probably a great problem avoider in my setup is that all midi streams go thru my 8port se midi patcher /filter so I can avoid congestions and unuseful messages by filtering any message that is not relevant to the hooked units Claude > > Dear Mark, > I have had the Repeater tank out on me in four our of my last four live > performances. My suspicion is that midi CC messages from both my WX5 wind > synth and > my Behringer midi pedals are overwhelming the unit but I'm just not sure. > When it malfunctioned during Goddess's set the other night I had a horrible > sinking > feeling. > > It may be that I have an anomalous problem or a malfunctioning unit but > there is also the distinct possiblity that the Repeater has some serious > bugs in it. Given the erratic history of the release of the unit you have > to admit that this might be a distinct, albeit > depressing possibility. > > Trust me , buddy, I've tried hard enough. > > So, a queery: has anyone else been able to successfully use the Repeater > with > a wind controller and a set of midi pedals? > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 07:59:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26651; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:56:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:56:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "M. Steven Ginn" To: Subject: RE: SV: not very reliable live Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 06:56:37 -0500 Message-ID: <041201c27054$16a12ae0$420e88cf@stevespc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <007701c27042$19480d20$9763f93f@global> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rick, In what way do you use the Repeater with your wind controller? I play both the WX5 & Akai EWI. I use the EDP in my main live rig, mainly because the Repeater was never able to eliminate the bump in ambient/drone type loops. Anyway, I have only used these to record audio and be midi controlled via my footpedal so I don't see how the midi stream from the WX5 would have any affect. Steve > So, a queery: has anyone else been able to successfully use > the Repeater > with > a wind controller and a set of midi pedals? > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 09:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01107; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:57:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:57:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: not very reliable live Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:57:09 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000c01c2705c$8b6d1840$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021010001115.0088cbf0@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8iG_9B.A.6Q.okXp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >not trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your > >performance after what is actually possible to do with the > Repeater"? > >Mark Sottilaro I mean that you have to learn the Repeater the way you learn to play just any instrument. Sorry for not making my point clear ;-) > Just because > >you've found the limits of a piece of gear is no reason to say it's > >unreliable. I didn't say that. That is actually what this thread is about. If you do not know the limitations of a tool it is will indeed be unreliable in your hands, no matter how great that specific tool might be in its own way. Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 09:06:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02743; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:06:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:06:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:04:45 +0200 Subject: Re: piezo film transducers From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 04.10.2002 22:14 Uhr schrieb Alex Stahl unter alex@pixar.com: > You can get smaller quantities from Digikey. www.digikey.com > >> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may >> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. >> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price >> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT >> of pickups. They make great gifts. >> >> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -Hans > What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or something different? What about the sound and the sensetivity? Thanks carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 10:55:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11474; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:51:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:51:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:35:00 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance with Sonic Youth and others Boston 10.13.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks. Not my usual kind of gig. I'll be doing video improvisations as part of the Terrastock festival on Sunday 10.3 at Axis in Boston. I'll be working with the bands Lily's, Sunshine Fix and Sonic Youth., starting at 1:40 Sunday afternoon. (The Sonic Youth set is at 5). The festival itself runs all day Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and tickets are $35/day. More details at http://www.terrascope.org/t5.html -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 11:02:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12396; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:58:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:58:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:58:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Video Performance with Sonic Youth and others Boston 10.13.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <41DFBD.A.5AD.QWZp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dr T wrote >Not my usual kind of gig. I'll be doing video improvisations as part >of the Terrastock festival on Sunday 10.3 at Axis in Boston. I'll be >working with the bands Lily's, Sunshine Fix and Sonic Youth., >starting at 1:40 Sunday afternoon. (The Sonic Youth set is at 5). I'll be going to this too if any of you are there... look me up! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 11:58:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19024; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:54:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:54:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 10:55:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Need Some Advice Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, First of all, I'm new. I subbed to the list last night because I need some help deciding between loopers. I've consulted the FAQ, done some homework, asked around, read reviews, and I still haven't sorted it all out yet. So, if anyone wants to give me their .02, I'd really appreciate it. I'm trying to decide between the EDP and the Boss RC20. First and foremost I want a looper to be able to use as a practice tool--lay down chord changes and play over them. I also want whatever unit I get to be able to sync up with my drum machine. I *think* this is easily done with both of these units. I'm also concerned about sound quality. I know the EDP has a higher sampling rate, and should probably sound better than the Boss unit. That said, does the RC20 sound cheap by comparison? Anyone care to comment? Opinions seem mixed from what I've read so far. Cost isn't a terribly big issue, but the Boss unit is only $250, after all, which means the money I save could be put toward other gear I want. On the other hand, I'd gladly plunk down the extra money for the EDP if it is more versatile, sounds better, and has features (such as undo) that will make it a better investment for me in the long run. I do tend to look at purchases like this one as investments--stuff I'll use for years to come. So I'd rather get high quality stuff in most cases. What about saving loops? I know it can't be done on the EDP by itself and it can be done on the RC20. I've read that it's possible to save loops on the EDP (which, for my initial purposes of playing over chord changes might be a useful feature) if you buy some extra gear? But *what* gear? How much extra would it be? Finally, there's the issue of more advanced looping functions. I really have no idea if I'll get into using the advanced looping tricks of the trade--but I might after I experiment with either unit for a while, and if I continue to hang around this list and learn from others. I think without question the EDP is the better unit on this score--the only question is will I necessarily need those extra features? I guess I have to answer that one myself in the end, but if someone can help me see the potential benefits of the added features on the EDP, that'd be great. What about MIDI for instance? The EDP has it. The Boss doesn't. What advantages does having MIDI capabilities afford me? I'm sure a lot of people here have been in the same situation I'm in and have considered both units. So if I can benefit from your experience, that'd be great. Also, I'm not playing live, so those issues don't really concern me right now. But...who knows...maybe someday. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 12:56:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26297; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Message-ID: <3DA5B0FF.57393099@ernieball.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:55:27 -0700 From: Hans Lindauer Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: piezo film transducers References: <200210101558.LAA19288@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carsten, A piezo film sensor is made using a type of polymer called Polyvinylidene fluoride, which can be made into thin sheets or cables. The sensitivity is 10 times that of piezoceramics, and they have a crazy frequency response (.001-10^9 Hz). For waterphones, piezo film sensors can be easily made waterproof and have an acoustical impedance closer to water than ceramic materials have (2.6 times versus 11 times). Check out the Technical Manual in the link below for all the specs. -Hans p.s. Alex - thanks for the Digikey tip. > Subject: Re: piezo film transducers > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:04:45 +0200 > From: Carsten Wegener > To: > > am 04.10.2002 22:14 Uhr schrieb Alex Stahl unter alex@pixar.com: > > > You can get smaller quantities from Digikey. www.digikey.com > > > >> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may > >> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. > >> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price > >> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT > >> of pickups. They make great gifts. > >> > >> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> -Hans > > > What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or something > different? What about the sound and the sensetivity? > Thanks carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 13:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28493; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:00:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:00:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: piezo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > For waterphones, piezo film sensors can be easily made waterproof and > have an acoustical impedance closer to water than ceramic materials have > (2.6 times versus 11 times). ^^^ whooo i just ordered some for my waterphone a week ago... what a crazy quinky dink! i was getting sick of hosting my sm57 over my shoulder and down into the hole of it. who here plays waterphone? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 13:23:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30530; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:20:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:20:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Server-Uuid: 90826C58-91B0-45EB-95A5-46B6D42E456F Message-ID: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778FA@Entcoexch15> From: "Lanpheer, James A" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: SV: not very reliable live Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:19:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 11BB6A6094690-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve- I'm on more or less the same path as Rick, and we've briefly discussed this offline, so perhaps i can chime in, as i've encountered the same situation. I am wanting to: a) control the pitch of the Repeater loop via my WX7 windcontroller AND b) send MIDI clock to the Repeater. The Repeater only has a single MIDI in jack, which is standard, of course. So, what needs to happen is to have a MIDI merge device of some sort that takes the MIDI from the WC, combines it with MIDI clock and sends all this info to the Repeater in a coherent way. I BELIEVE (and Rick can certainly correct me if i'm wrong) that Rick is having problems with the Repeater handling these diverse sources of MIDI streams successfully. As you know, the wind controller has the potential to send substantially more types of MIDI data, which can 'bewilder' some devices not prepared to handle the volume of MIDI data. Hope this helps clarify, i am looking into MIDI merge and MIDI patchbay solutions as we speak... cheers, jim. p.s. And Steve, i hear you on the click in the drone on the Repeater. That was a big problem for me. But, i also experience this using the EDP at times. I believe that you can solve both through creative use of a volume pedal, at least i have had success with this, on both the Repeater AND the EDP. -----Original Message----- From: M. Steven Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: SV: not very reliable live Hi Rick, In what way do you use the Repeater with your wind controller? I play both the WX5 & Akai EWI. I use the EDP in my main live rig, mainly because the Repeater was never able to eliminate the bump in ambient/drone type loops. Anyway, I have only used these to record audio and be midi controlled via my footpedal so I don't see how the midi stream from the WX5 would have any affect. Steve > So, a queery: has anyone else been able to successfully use > the Repeater > with > a wind controller and a set of midi pedals? > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 14:07:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03596; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007301c27087$5c254f00$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: piezo Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:03:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > who here plays waterphone? Yo! Let me know how the piezofilmwork works. I've been getting by with an el-cheapo Radio Shack $25 tie-clip mic. (Hey, it works great for 25 bucks!) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 14:15:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04087; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:10:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:10:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: piezo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:09:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dennis, are you using your waterphone with your looping devices? if so are you avoiding feedback fairly well with the clip tie mic? thanks c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 14:42:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05837; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:36:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:36:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: piezo film transducers Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:34:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2002 18:34:53.0119 (UTC) FILETIME=[B949ECF0:01C2708B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Group buy anyone? bIz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carsten Wegener" To: Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:04 AM Subject: Re: piezo film transducers > am 04.10.2002 22:14 Uhr schrieb Alex Stahl unter alex@pixar.com: > > > You can get smaller quantities from Digikey. www.digikey.com > > > >> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may > >> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. > >> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price > >> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT > >> of pickups. They make great gifts. > >> > >> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> -Hans > > > What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or something > different? What about the sound and the sensetivity? > Thanks carsten > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 14:52:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06637; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:48:14 EDT Subject: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I checked out waterphones at: http://www.waterphone.com/ Very cool. A patch on my old E-Mu Proteus III (which I control from a MIDI'd guitar) is essentially a sample of the very same thing. However, the original instrument itself is really cool too. Is there anyone who makes 'em for less than $950.00 (USD) though? Pardon my ignorance, but that seems rather steep to me for what it appears to be (tho' appearances are often deceiving). Just curious, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:05:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08662; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:59:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:59:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Christopher White" Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9b Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1cHci.A.11B.23cp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wow... i dont know about those. i bought/traded for from the person who orginally invented/made them.... Richard Waters. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:17:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09763; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA5D0BB.89F05B0D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:10:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." References: <41669DC6FE3B80449A33A4DD46DB370A2778FA@Entcoexch15> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey gang, the other night I as attempting to upgrade the OS on my Roland MC-307. I downloaded the files (standard MIDI files in a .sit archive) unstuffed them, and loaded them up into Digital Performer. They would either freeze my Mac, or cause the 307 to freeze every time. The result? Now I have no OS on my MC-307. Boots up to a blank screen. Called Roland tech service and they led me to a MIDI player utility called Q-midi and they resent me the files in case mine were corrupt. When I tried to open them in Q-MIDI I got an error that said, "Logical end-of-file reached during read. Error -39" Same thing with Cakewalk's Metro5. Same thing with the original files I downloaded, and the files that Roland emailed me. Funny thing is, the quicktime player will actually play the files, but I can't divert that output to my Fastlane USB MIDI interface. Any ideas? I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC drivers for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as well as the OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone has had similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send these files out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were happy to have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the upgrade at no cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit for a week. Thanks, Mark Sottlilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:20:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09975; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:14:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:14:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA5D160.7CD6913A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:13:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: SV: SV: not very reliable live References: <000c01c2705c$8b6d1840$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com RIGHT! Per Boysen wrote: > > >not trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your > > >performance after what is actually possible to do with the > > Repeater"? > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > I mean that you have to learn the Repeater the way you learn to play > just any instrument. Sorry for not making my point clear ;-) > > > Just because > > >you've found the limits of a piece of gear is no reason to say it's > > >unreliable. > > I didn't say that. That is actually what this thread is about. If you do > not know the limitations of a tool it is will indeed be unreliable in > your hands, no matter how great that specific tool might be in its own > way. > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:20:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09997; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:15:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:15:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c27091$2b26ff20$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: piezo Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:13:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <5bHwqC.A.ubC.OGdp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > are you using your waterphone with your looping devices? > if so are you avoiding feedback fairly well with the clip > tie mic? Hi Chris! Yes! The clip mic works pretty well as far as reducing feedback tendencies. I modified the tie clip mount by rotating the mic 90 degrees clockwise. (Now if you clipped it to your tie, it would be pointed at your left arm.) Then I clip it to the top of the tube so it "looks" down into the waterphone. I can still get feedback, but it's generally not a problem in performance. You have to EQ the **ll out of the mic, though. ($25!). The mic signal is pretty hot. I send it into my old Tascam 1024 and then to the loopers. I use the same kind of mic on my udu. Hope this helps! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:20:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10100; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:17:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:17:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA5D205.E36DA723@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:16:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Need Some Advice References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No contest: EDP It's probably the best, most full featured looping device on the market and the RC20 does definitaly NOT synch to MIDI, or anything else... unless you're Matthais and know how to open one up and synch it to the EDP! Get the EDP, you won't be sorry. Mark Sottilaro Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > I'm trying to decide between the EDP and the Boss RC20. > > First and foremost I want a looper to be able to use as a practice > tool--lay down chord changes and play over them. I also want whatever > unit I get to be able to sync up with my drum machine. I *think* this > is easily done with both of these units. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:29:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10770; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:24:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:24:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA5D381.CB46A4D3@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:22:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live References: <200210100720.DAA02781@hemlock.violacea.com> <007701c27042$19480d20$9763f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, have you tried to use it sans wind controller? That would be my first try. I know it works well with the FCB1010, so no need to eliminate that. I've got it to work perfectly with the note and clock output of my MC-307 that's been merged with the FCB1010's CC messages. Never a problem. Also, it's a long shot, but maybe you've got a corrupt OS installed? Could happen. I'd be happy to put my copy on a 16meg card and send it to you. I've got an extra I could loan you no problem. Let me know. The other, more crappy possibility, is that you've got a Repeater with some hardware problem. In that case, I'd take it in while it's still under warrentee. Mark Sottilaro "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > "Show me a piece of gear that can't be broken, and I'll tell you you're not > trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your performance > after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater"? OF COURSE YOU > DO. Try doing an 8 min loop on the EDP. Nope. Try inserting two beats of > time into a Repeater loop. Nope. Just because you've found the limits of > a piece of gear is no reason to say it's unreliable. > I'm telling you people, just like the EDP, the Repeater is an instrument > that needs to be learned and played. Practice has helped me immeasurably. > I'm so used to it that when I got the EDP, that felt awkward, just as I had > once thought the Repeater was. I think any high end looper is going to > take time getting good at." > > Dear Mark, > I have had the Repeater tank out on me in four our of my last four live > performances. My suspicion is that midi CC messages from both my WX5 wind > synth and > my Behringer midi pedals are overwhelming the unit but I'm just not sure. > When it malfunctioned during Goddess's set the other night I had a horrible > sinking > feeling. > > It may be that I have an anomalous problem or a malfunctioning unit but > there is also the distinct possiblity that the Repeater has some serious > bugs in it. Given the erratic history of the release of the unit you have > to admit that this might be a distinct, albeit > depressing possibility. > > Trust me , buddy, I've tried hard enough. > > So, a queery: has anyone else been able to successfully use the Repeater > with > a wind controller and a set of midi pedals? > > yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:40:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11224; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:34:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:34:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c27093$f35cbdc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:33:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Regarding http://www.waterphone.com/ I think Richard sold his Waterphone manufacturing to those folks; he no longer makes them. I, too, bought mine from Richard. And it seemed quite expensive to me, too. I thought about making one myself but opted for the purchase instead. Richard mentioned the difficulties in tuning(!!!!) the Waterphone as adding to the cost. Hmmmmmm. Richard has a patent on the Waterphone. When the IBM Patent Server website was up, you could look at the Waterphone patent, which supplied enough details to do-it-yourself. The IBM Patent Server website has been taken over by Delion: http://www.delphion.com/ so you might have to pay a fee to see the Waterphone patents on-line from them. Personally, I'm really glad I bought my Waterphone, even though it seemed expensive at the time. It arrived in the mail the day that my sweetie (and now my wife) and I were going camping in a National Forest. I took it along and played it by the campfire in the evening. Everybody henceforth avoided us. :D Chris, what do you use for a case? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:50:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11947; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:46:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:46:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <93.24d79569.2ad732ab@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:44:43 EDT Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ms, re: yer ? below, ya might try: 1) make sure that DP/fastlane is not filtering-out sysex, and 2) slow the sequencer's playback tempo down to 60bpm..... or even slower. 3) although this is probably not at all germane, MacOS 9.2.2 is has known memory-leak issues..... 9.2.1 is fine, i think. 4) try 'importing' the midi-file from an already-open app..... best, dt / splattercell >I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC drivers >for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as well >as the >OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone has >had >similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send these >files >out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were happy >to >have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the upgrade >at no >cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit for >a >week. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 15:53:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11877; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:45:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:45:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DA5D205.E36DA723@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DA5D205.E36DA723@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:46:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: One More question... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <42cQzD.A.U4C.tidp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks to those who have replied so far. (I look forward to more replies, so please keep them coming). One more question to toss into the mix: How can you save loops from the EDP? Could I save them to a keyboard that has a sequencer, for instance? I'm seriously considering the Korg Triton. I was just curious if it's possible to dump the loops from the EDP to the Triton, and save them on board or to disc for later use. Like I said, this is all new to me, even though I've been playing guitar for 20 years. I need a basic book on MIDI even...just to have a clue as to what the capabilities of this stuff really are. Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 16:01:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12656; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:57:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:57:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: One More question... Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:56:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c27097$346b1200$16d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Jeff Shirkey wondered: How can you save loops from the EDP? Could I save them to a keyboard that has a sequencer, for instance? I'm seriously considering the Korg Triton. I was just curious if it's possible to dump the loops from the EDP to the Triton, and save them on board or to disc for later use. ^^__ A sampler is the best way to save EDP loops--after all, they are digital audio, and a sampler allows you to loop them. So a sampler, whether it be hardware or software. Any sequencer you used to save EDP loops would have to have digital audio capabilities. In fact, saving EDP through MIDI is a timeconsuming process that I am willing to bet nobody uses. I also bet lots of folks here save their EDP loops to the Repeater! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 16:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14831; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:09:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:09:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c27098$ab4ff880$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3DA5D205.E36DA723@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: One More question... Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:07:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've seen three ways of saving EDP loops. 1) MIDI sample dump/load - very slow but sample accurate, i.e., you get *exactly* the same loop. Unfortunately, I think MIDI sample dump is too slow for practical use in a live performance. 2) The EDP sends MIDI messages at the loop beginning. You can capture the analog audio from the EDP, triggered by this MIDI message. This provides an automated method of recording the EDP loop. I use a Kyma system for this but there are lots of other ways to do the same thing. 3) Many times I simply record the EDP output with my minidisc. It might be a primitive method, but it works well. That said, most folks who use the EDP are into the "created in the moment" approach. "Save loops? Who needs to save loops?", the improvising loopist says. BTW: Some good intro to MIDI is at: http://www.harmony-central.com/MIDI/Doc/tutorial.html#intro Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 16:31:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16213; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:27:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:27:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA5E2A0.9F07BCBA@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:27:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." References: <93.24d79569.2ad732ab@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Dave, I will try installing 9.2.1 on a spare partition I have for such emergencys, but first I'm going to try OSX and Win98 (GASP! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!) Roland tech service said that the problem could be Digital Performer, and then pointed me towards Q-MIDI, a tiny piece of share ware that basically plays a bunch of different media files, including MIDI. Jeff from Roland said he uses Q-MIDI becaues it allows you do make a MIDI playlist so you don't have to babysit the install and cue each midi file (there are 64 total in the install! Oh, and btw, I did try the import into an already open app. I even tried a utility that would make sure the file had the proper type (sometimes Macs will mistake MIDI files for text files) and creator code, but still the error persisted. But still, I wonder about the "Logical end-of-file" error. That's just weird. Thanks again, Mark Sottilaro Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > ms, > re: yer ? below, ya might try: > 1) make sure that DP/fastlane is not filtering-out sysex, and > 2) slow the sequencer's playback tempo down to 60bpm..... or even slower. > 3) although this is probably not at all germane, MacOS 9.2.2 is has known > memory-leak issues..... 9.2.1 is fine, i think. > 4) try 'importing' the midi-file from an already-open app..... > best, > dt / splattercell > > >I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC drivers > >for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as well > >as the > >OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone has > >had > >similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send these > >files > >out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were happy > >to > >have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the upgrade > >at no > >cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit for > >a > >week. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 16:55:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17665; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:48:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:48:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:48:08 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DA5D0BB.89F05B0D@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: <94FF93BA-DC91-11D6-B3DD-0003937B76DC@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hrm. If the file was originally produced on Windows, and it sounds like it, a Mac program may have problems reading the file as Windows and Mac file formats are different. Even if the file is a "portable" format like a MIDI file. It's probably not actually corrupt, but obviously DP and others are having a problem. MacOS 9.x have a PC/Mac file conversion control panel called File Exchange. You might check if it's enabled and configured. It may or may not do anything helpful to this problem. On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 12:10 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Hey gang, > > the other night I as attempting to upgrade the OS on my Roland MC-307. > I > downloaded the files (standard MIDI files in a .sit archive) unstuffed > them, > and loaded them up into Digital Performer. They would either freeze > my Mac, or > cause the 307 to freeze every time. The result? Now I have no OS on > my > MC-307. Boots up to a blank screen. > > Called Roland tech service and they led me to a MIDI player utility > called > Q-midi and they resent me the files in case mine were corrupt. When I > tried to > open them in Q-MIDI I got an error that said, "Logical end-of-file > reached > during read. Error -39" Same thing with Cakewalk's Metro5. Same > thing with > the original files I downloaded, and the files that Roland emailed me. > Funny > thing is, the quicktime player will actually play the files, but I > can't divert > that output to my Fastlane USB MIDI interface. > > Any ideas? I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC > drivers > for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as > well as the > OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone > has had > similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send > these files > out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were > happy to > have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the > upgrade at no > cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit > for a > week. > > Thanks, > > Mark Sottlilaro > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 17:28:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21408; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:24:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:24:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:23:48 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00fa01c270a3$52842f90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009701c27093$f35cbdc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i went to http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/search-bool.html (the usa patent and trademark web site) and did a quick search on the patent number (03896696 ) you have to click "images" because they don't have this one in text format. pretty cool stuff. i don't know if i will try building one myself, though. >... > Richard has a patent on the Waterphone. When the IBM Patent Server website > was up, you could look at the Waterphone patent, which supplied enough > details to do-it-yourself. The IBM Patent Server website has been taken > over by Delion: > http://www.delphion.com/ > so you might have to pay a fee to see the Waterphone patents on-line from > them. >... > Dennis Leas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 17:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21087; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:22:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:22:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:20:57 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <94FF93BA-DC91-11D6-B3DD-0003937B76DC@mac.com> Message-Id: <2A8544E4-DC96-11D6-B3DD-0003937B76DC@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also, nominally MacOS Error -39 is a disk error. If you have a utility like Norton or TechTool you probably want to run it on the drive to look for disk corruption. On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 01:48 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > Hrm. If the file was originally produced on Windows, and it sounds > like it, a Mac program may have problems reading the file as Windows > and Mac file formats are different. Even if the file is a "portable" > format like a MIDI file. It's probably not actually corrupt, but > obviously DP and others are having a problem. > MacOS 9.x have a PC/Mac file conversion control panel called File > Exchange. You might check if it's enabled and configured. It may or > may not do anything helpful to this problem. > > > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 12:10 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net > wrote: > >> Hey gang, >> >> the other night I as attempting to upgrade the OS on my Roland >> MC-307. I >> downloaded the files (standard MIDI files in a .sit archive) >> unstuffed them, >> and loaded them up into Digital Performer. They would either freeze >> my Mac, or >> cause the 307 to freeze every time. The result? Now I have no OS on >> my >> MC-307. Boots up to a blank screen. >> >> Called Roland tech service and they led me to a MIDI player utility >> called >> Q-midi and they resent me the files in case mine were corrupt. When >> I tried to >> open them in Q-MIDI I got an error that said, "Logical end-of-file >> reached >> during read. Error -39" Same thing with Cakewalk's Metro5. Same >> thing with >> the original files I downloaded, and the files that Roland emailed >> me. Funny >> thing is, the quicktime player will actually play the files, but I >> can't divert >> that output to my Fastlane USB MIDI interface. >> >> Any ideas? I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC >> drivers >> for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as >> well as the >> OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone >> has had >> similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send >> these files >> out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were >> happy to >> have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the >> upgrade at no >> cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit >> for a >> week. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark Sottlilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 17:36:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21856; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:32:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3DA33DD200002FD8@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <94FF93BA-DC91-11D6-B3DD-0003937B76DC@mac.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA21737 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com MIDI files are completely portable... unless it in a 'mac binary' format, which is a format which includes a header that defines such things as type/creator. If that were the case, and,it were not converted to a real MIDI file, it is certanily unknown what would happen. Most MIDI apps look for a signature (MThd) at the start of the file, and if they don't find it, they refuse to open it. But, it is possible that they would also scan from the start looking for the signature and being processing it from there... blah.. blah.. blah... But, again, unless there were two versions of this MIDI file (one for mac, and the other for non-mac), it would make no sense to think that it was in mac-binary format... well, just my two cents... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:48:08 -0700 >Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." >From: Greg Kucharo >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Hrm. If the file was originally produced on Windows, and it sounds >like it, a Mac program may have problems reading the file as Windows >and Mac file formats are different. Even if the file is a "portable" >format like a MIDI file. It's probably not actually corrupt, but >obviously DP and others are having a problem. > MacOS 9.x have a PC/Mac file conversion control panel called File >Exchange. You might check if it's enabled and configured. It may or may >not do anything helpful to this problem. > > >On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 12:10 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > >> Hey gang, >> >> the other night I as attempting to upgrade the OS on my Roland MC-307. > >> I >> downloaded the files (standard MIDI files in a .sit archive) unstuffed > >> them, >> and loaded them up into Digital Performer. They would either freeze >> my Mac, or >> cause the 307 to freeze every time. The result? Now I have no OS on >> my >> MC-307. Boots up to a blank screen. >> >> Called Roland tech service and they led me to a MIDI player utility >> called >> Q-midi and they resent me the files in case mine were corrupt. When I > >> tried to >> open them in Q-MIDI I got an error that said, "Logical end-of-file >> reached >> during read. Error -39" Same thing with Cakewalk's Metro5. Same >> thing with >> the original files I downloaded, and the files that Roland emailed me. > >> Funny >> thing is, the quicktime player will actually play the files, but I >> can't divert >> that output to my Fastlane USB MIDI interface. >> >> Any ideas? I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC >> drivers >> for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as >> well as the >> OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone >> has had >> similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send >> these files >> out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were >> happy to >> have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the >> upgrade at no >> cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit >> for a >> week. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark Sottlilaro >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 17:54:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23211; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:51:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:51:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:31:30 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: <3TZCSC.A.opF.sYfp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Mark, Are you downloading the files in .sit format (or some other archived format?).... I had a problem a while back trying to unstuff a file which was compressed by a newer version of stuffit expander than the version that I had.... Have you tried uncompressing them in OSX? I think thats the only time that I have ever had that message 'Logical eof reached'... Hope it helps :) -- Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 18:06:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25439; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:02:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:02:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:02:18 -0700 Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DA33DD200002FD8@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Indeed...that raises a good point. It may be that Stuffit is doing something bad to the files during expansion or compression. On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 02:32 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > MIDI files are completely portable... unless it in a 'mac binary' > format, > which is a format which includes a header that defines such things as > type/creator. > If that were the case, and,it were not converted to a real MIDI file, > it > is certanily unknown what would happen. Most MIDI apps look for a > signature > (MThd) at the start of the file, and if they don't find it, they refuse > to open it. But, it is possible that they would also scan from the > start > looking for the signature and being processing it from there... blah.. > blah.. > blah... But, again, unless there were two versions of this MIDI file > (one > for mac, and the other for non-mac), it would make no sense to think > that > it was in mac-binary format... well, just my two cents... :) > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:48:08 -0700 >> Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file >> reached..." >> From: Greg Kucharo >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> Hrm. If the file was originally produced on Windows, and it sounds > >> like it, a Mac program may have problems reading the file as Windows >> and Mac file formats are different. Even if the file is a "portable" >> format like a MIDI file. It's probably not actually corrupt, but >> obviously DP and others are having a problem. >> MacOS 9.x have a PC/Mac file conversion control panel called File >> Exchange. You might check if it's enabled and configured. It may or >> may > >> not do anything helpful to this problem. >> >> >> On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 12:10 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net >> wrote: >> >>> Hey gang, >>> >>> the other night I as attempting to upgrade the OS on my Roland >>> MC-307. >> >>> I >>> downloaded the files (standard MIDI files in a .sit archive) >>> unstuffed >> >>> them, >>> and loaded them up into Digital Performer. They would either freeze > >>> my Mac, or >>> cause the 307 to freeze every time. The result? Now I have no OS on > >>> my >>> MC-307. Boots up to a blank screen. >>> >>> Called Roland tech service and they led me to a MIDI player utility >>> called >>> Q-midi and they resent me the files in case mine were corrupt. When > I >> >>> tried to >>> open them in Q-MIDI I got an error that said, "Logical end-of-file >>> reached >>> during read. Error -39" Same thing with Cakewalk's Metro5. Same >>> thing with >>> the original files I downloaded, and the files that Roland emailed >>> me. >> >>> Funny >>> thing is, the quicktime player will actually play the files, but I >>> can't divert >>> that output to my Fastlane USB MIDI interface. >>> >>> Any ideas? I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC > >>> drivers >>> for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as >>> well as the >>> OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone >>> has had >>> similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send >>> these files >>> out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were >>> happy to >>> have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the >>> upgrade at no >>> cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit > >>> for a >>> week. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mark Sottlilaro >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 18:18:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27169; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:14:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:14:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA5FBB6.7DA3F41D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:14:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." References: <2A8544E4-DC96-11D6-B3DD-0003937B76DC@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <37eDYD.A.gnG.8ufp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, I did run Norton before my second try, to no avail. thanks again for all the help everyone! Mark Greg Kucharo wrote: > Also, nominally MacOS Error -39 is a disk error. If you have a > utility like Norton or TechTool you probably want to run it on the > drive to look for disk corruption. > > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 01:48 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > Hrm. If the file was originally produced on Windows, and it sounds > > like it, a Mac program may have problems reading the file as Windows > > and Mac file formats are different. Even if the file is a "portable" > > format like a MIDI file. It's probably not actually corrupt, but > > obviously DP and others are having a problem. > > MacOS 9.x have a PC/Mac file conversion control panel called File > > Exchange. You might check if it's enabled and configured. It may or > > may not do anything helpful to this problem. > > > > > > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 12:10 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net > > wrote: > > > >> Hey gang, > >> > >> the other night I as attempting to upgrade the OS on my Roland > >> MC-307. I > >> downloaded the files (standard MIDI files in a .sit archive) > >> unstuffed them, > >> and loaded them up into Digital Performer. They would either freeze > >> my Mac, or > >> cause the 307 to freeze every time. The result? Now I have no OS on > >> my > >> MC-307. Boots up to a blank screen. > >> > >> Called Roland tech service and they led me to a MIDI player utility > >> called > >> Q-midi and they resent me the files in case mine were corrupt. When > >> I tried to > >> open them in Q-MIDI I got an error that said, "Logical end-of-file > >> reached > >> during read. Error -39" Same thing with Cakewalk's Metro5. Same > >> thing with > >> the original files I downloaded, and the files that Roland emailed > >> me. Funny > >> thing is, the quicktime player will actually play the files, but I > >> can't divert > >> that output to my Fastlane USB MIDI interface. > >> > >> Any ideas? I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC > >> drivers > >> for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as > >> well as the > >> OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone > >> has had > >> similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send > >> these files > >> out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were > >> happy to > >> have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the > >> upgrade at no > >> cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit > >> for a > >> week. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mark Sottlilaro > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 18:21:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27776; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:18:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:18:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <146.1f0605.2ad75669@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:17:13 EDT Subject: Re: One More question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: >That said, most folks who use the EDP are into the "created in the moment" >approach. >"Save loops? Who needs to save loops?", the improvising loopist says. well, then! not *this* improvising loopist (nor any other one who records their output, i daresay). harrumph, cranky d From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 18:23:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27317; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <90.2d2e5bad.2ad755ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:14:06 EDT Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com if ya think it's a stuffit v. problem (which i doubt, as DP saw and opened the file, if i understood correctly), it can likely be fixed by editing the resources w/ResEdit. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 18:28:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28041; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:19:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:19:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA5FCB7.3C732120@zerocrossing.net> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:18:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ho ho?! That sounds promising. The file was in the .zip format and I used stuffit to decompress it. I'll try to deal with it on my PC and see what that brings. Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hey Mark, > > Are you downloading the files in .sit format (or some other archived > format?).... I had a problem a while back trying to unstuff a file which > was compressed by a newer version of stuffit expander than the version > that I had.... Have you tried uncompressing them in OSX? > > I think thats the only time that I have ever had that message 'Logical > eof reached'... > > Hope it helps :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 18:36:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29418; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:33:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:32:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <93.24d79569.2ad732ab@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you reached the emotional end of file? LOL -----Original Message----- From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." ms, re: yer ? below, ya might try: 1) make sure that DP/fastlane is not filtering-out sysex, and 2) slow the sequencer's playback tempo down to 60bpm..... or even slower. 3) although this is probably not at all germane, MacOS 9.2.2 is has known memory-leak issues..... 9.2.1 is fine, i think. 4) try 'importing' the midi-file from an already-open app..... best, dt / splattercell >I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC drivers >for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as well >as the >OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone has >had >similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send these >files >out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were happy >to >have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the upgrade >at no >cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit for >a >week. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 20:50:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08141; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:47:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:47:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: One More question... Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:43:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <146.1f0605.2ad75669@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >approach. > >"Save loops? Who needs to save loops?", the improvising loopist says. > well, then! > not *this* improvising loopist (nor any other one who records > their output, i > daresay). > harrumph, > cranky d dt, Do you (or anyone) bother to save your loops as separate tracks, while they are developing, before too many lines, in Logic, etc or just record it all as it goes in realtime? If so, what is your methodology? I often press *Record* when something interesting develops, but many times wish I would have recorded the different parts/overdubs/early development on separate tracks for remixing... Just fishin' here... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 21:18:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11495; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:17:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:17:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: One More question... Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:16:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <1yDIwD.A.YzC.Xaip9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why would you NOT record as much as possible separately and them remix it for the final musical result cinematic result? Certainly also, though, anyone involved in the original recording must have approval of any final edit before it is made public. (Note/Answer if this is a riddle about souls, love, and playing with emotions: it's not the same as if it's a discussion about music) -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: One More question... >approach. > >"Save loops? Who needs to save loops?", the improvising loopist says. > well, then! > not *this* improvising loopist (nor any other one who records > their output, i > daresay). > harrumph, > cranky d dt, Do you (or anyone) bother to save your loops as separate tracks, while they are developing, before too many lines, in Logic, etc or just record it all as it goes in realtime? If so, what is your methodology? I often press *Record* when something interesting develops, but many times wish I would have recorded the different parts/overdubs/early development on separate tracks for remixing... Just fishin' here... Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 22:01:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14306; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:57:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:57:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:56:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200210102156.AA3161587940@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: One More question... X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >That said, most folks who use the EDP are into the "created in the moment" >approach. "Save loops? Who needs to save loops?", the improvising loopist >says. > I have to say that one of the things about the Repeater is coming back to loops I created in performance on the fly days later and finding really cool new uses for them. Over the last year I've amassed quite a nice little loop library out of stuff I've pulled out of my butt during the heat of the moment on stage. Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 10 22:34:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17603; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:28:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:28:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: One More question... Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8_ms1D.A.MSE.dcjp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Why would you NOT record as much as possible separately and them remix it > for the final musical result cinematic result? > EDP doesn't have separate tracks, and the spontaneity is the MAIN point (at least in my book), and syncing the separate tracks in a sequencer would take significant advance planning and get in the way of the real-time process. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 00:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27275; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: DialaThos@aol.com Message-ID: <142.240fab.2ad7a66e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:58:38 EDT Subject: loading "into" Repeater? 2 Repeaters synced? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Unless I'm mistaken, the only way one can load audio into the Repeater is by recording it, right? There's no way to say copy in wav files on the CFC is there? (because the other proprietary files for a new loop would be non existant). I'm looking to load in some audio from Pro Tools. I guess I'll just have to connect the Digi interfaces to the Repeater and hit record? Maybe with MIDI connected to get the tempo locked? Also... anyone ever locked up two Repeaters? We've been connecting one's MIDI out to the others MIDI in... but so far.. nothing seems to be happening. Thanks! --Tom Griesgraber ps - gig spam... I'm doing a short series of gigs/clinics with drummer Jerry Marotta. The Repeater is a mainstay in what I do now, and Jerry's now got one too. Definitley territory we're both diving into more (hence the questions). We'll be doing some live shows this weekend in Rochester, NY and Cleveland, OH. Check out www.jerrymarotta.com/news.html for details (I play Stick in this btw). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 00:41:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30248; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:40:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:40:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.a00dfb0.2ad7b01e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:39:58 EDT Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a3.a00dfb0.2ad7b01e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a3.a00dfb0.2ad7b01e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... It sounds you were just camping with the wrong people. ;-) In a message dated 10/10/2002 3:36:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: > Personally, I'm really glad I bought my Waterphone, even though it seemed > expensive at the time. It arrived in the mail the day that my sweetie (and > now my wife) and I were going camping in a National Forest. I took it > along > and played it by the campfire in the evening. Everybody henceforth avoided > us. :D > > Chris, what do you use for a case? > > Dennis Leas --part1_1a3.a00dfb0.2ad7b01e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Hmmm... It sounds you were just camping with the wrong people. ;-)

In a message dated 10/10/2002 3:36:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:


Personally, I'm really glad I bought my Waterphone, even though it seemed
expensive at the time.  It arrived in the mail the day that my sweetie (and
now my wife) and I were going camping in a National Forest.  I took it along
and played it by the campfire in the evening.  Everybody henceforth avoided
us. :D

Chris, what do you use for a case?

Dennis Leas


--part1_1a3.a00dfb0.2ad7b01e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 00:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30559; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:44:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:44:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <108.193849c2.2ad7b0fd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:43:41 EDT Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_108.193849c2.2ad7b0fd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_108.193849c2.2ad7b0fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, ABSynth has some excellent Waterphone patches. I was very suprized by them. I think ABSynth is a great sound source for looping. In a message dated 10/10/2002 2:50:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > However, the original instrument itself is really cool too. Is there > anyone who makes 'em for less than $950.00 (USD) though? > Pardon my ignorance, but that seems rather steep to me for > what it appears to be (tho' appearances are often deceiving). --part1_108.193849c2.2ad7b0fd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      FWIW, ABSynth has some excellent Waterphone patches. I was very suprized by them. I think ABSynth is a great sound source for looping.

In a message dated 10/10/2002 2:50:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


However, the original instrument itself is really cool too. Is there
anyone who makes 'em for less than $950.00 (USD) though?
Pardon my ignorance, but that seems rather steep to me for
what it appears to be (tho' appearances are often deceiving).


--part1_108.193849c2.2ad7b0fd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 01:26:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02461; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: One More question... Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:22:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's all good. -----Original Message----- From: Neil Goldstein [mailto:ngold@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: One More question... > Why would you NOT record as much as possible separately and them remix it > for the final musical result cinematic result? > EDP doesn't have separate tracks, and the spontaneity is the MAIN point (at least in my book), and syncing the separate tracks in a sequencer would take significant advance planning and get in the way of the real-time process. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 01:29:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02712; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:25:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:25:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT- Waterphone Question Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:25:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C270AB.DF390610" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1a3.a00dfb0.2ad7b01e@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C270AB.DF390610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, sorry I'm late on this- can someone send me some quick good links where I can see and hear a waterphone? -----Original Message----- From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question Hmmm... It sounds you were just camping with the wrong people. ;-) In a message dated 10/10/2002 3:36:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: Personally, I'm really glad I bought my Waterphone, even though it seemed expensive at the time. It arrived in the mail the day that my sweetie (and now my wife) and I were going camping in a National Forest. I took it along and played it by the campfire in the evening. Everybody henceforth avoided us. :D Chris, what do you use for a case? Dennis Leas ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C270AB.DF390610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

OK= , sorry I’m late on this- can someone send me some quick good links where = I can see and hear a waterphone?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: RandomLFO@aol.com [mailto:RandomLFO@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, October = 10, 2002 9:40 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT- = Waterphone Question

 

  &nbs= p;  Hmmm... It sounds you were just camping with the wrong people. ;-)

In a message dated 10/10/2002 3:36:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:



Personally, I'm really glad I bought my Waterphone, even though it seemed
expensive at the time.  It arrived in the mail the day that my = sweetie (and
now my wife) and I were going camping in a National Forest.  I took = it along
and played it by the campfire in the evening.  Everybody henceforth avoided
us. :D

Chris, what do you use for a case?

Dennis Leas

 <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C270AB.DF390610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 01:30:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02771; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:26:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:26:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:26:37 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03595A6E-DCDA-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 03:32 PM, MIKO wrote: > Have you reached the emotional end of file? LOL > Ha ha Miko, you're about as funny as mother's day in an orfanage. But in conclusion, I could not find an app on the Mac (OS 9 or 10), or Windows 98 that could open these files. I must come to the realization that Roland sent me bad files. Why? I have no idea. I guess I'm sending my sequencer away for a bit. Thanks for all the help, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 01:33:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03237; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:30:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:30:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:29:45 -0700 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." In-reply-to: <03595A6E-DCDA-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BBEdit will open them. Then you have to futz with it. Send it to me off list and I'll take a crack at it tomorrow whle I'm at work pretending to do something. Cheers Andrew on 10/10/02 10:26 PM, Mark Sottilaro at sine@zerocrossing.net or somebody wrote: > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 03:32 PM, MIKO wrote: > >> Have you reached the emotional end of file? LOL >> > Ha ha Miko, you're about as funny as mother's day in an orfanage. > > But in conclusion, I could not find an app on the Mac (OS 9 or 10), or > Windows 98 that could open these files. I must come to the realization > that Roland sent me bad files. Why? I have no idea. I guess I'm > sending my sequencer away for a bit. > > Thanks for all the help, > > Mark Sottilaro > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 02:13:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06676; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:11:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DA5FCB7.3C732120@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Move it to your PC in ZIP format, I'd recommend, and then decompress it there using Winzip or, with XP, decompression needs no extra utility for most files. BUT- I'm curious- with the new OS that is UNIX-based - is the decompression tool now "tar"? -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." ho ho?! That sounds promising. The file was in the .zip format and I used stuffit to decompress it. I'll try to deal with it on my PC and see what that brings. Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hey Mark, > > Are you downloading the files in .sit format (or some other archived > format?).... I had a problem a while back trying to unstuff a file which > was compressed by a newer version of stuffit expander than the version > that I had.... Have you tried uncompressing them in OSX? > > I think thats the only time that I have ever had that message 'Logical > eof reached'... > > Hope it helps :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 02:14:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06595; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:10:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:09:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DA5FBB6.7DA3F41D@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You wanna know the truth... from a former associate director of IS- and I'm too tired to say too much- maybe tomorrow I'll try to really answer the question- but- well- Macs have had a problem I've seen at least a few times- hard drive failure- for all the solidity of the O/S, I hope that Apple has improved the stability of the internal drives themselves... perhaps a UNIX base for the new O/S will resolve that although- in truth- I've seen hard drive failure everywhere- but only in an Apple did we have to send the machine in... where I was working... -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Actually, I did run Norton before my second try, to no avail. thanks again for all the help everyone! Mark Greg Kucharo wrote: > Also, nominally MacOS Error -39 is a disk error. If you have a > utility like Norton or TechTool you probably want to run it on the > drive to look for disk corruption. > > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 01:48 PM, Greg Kucharo wrote: > > > Hrm. If the file was originally produced on Windows, and it sounds > > like it, a Mac program may have problems reading the file as Windows > > and Mac file formats are different. Even if the file is a "portable" > > format like a MIDI file. It's probably not actually corrupt, but > > obviously DP and others are having a problem. > > MacOS 9.x have a PC/Mac file conversion control panel called File > > Exchange. You might check if it's enabled and configured. It may or > > may not do anything helpful to this problem. > > > > > > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 12:10 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net > > wrote: > > > >> Hey gang, > >> > >> the other night I as attempting to upgrade the OS on my Roland > >> MC-307. I > >> downloaded the files (standard MIDI files in a .sit archive) > >> unstuffed them, > >> and loaded them up into Digital Performer. They would either freeze > >> my Mac, or > >> cause the 307 to freeze every time. The result? Now I have no OS on > >> my > >> MC-307. Boots up to a blank screen. > >> > >> Called Roland tech service and they led me to a MIDI player utility > >> called > >> Q-midi and they resent me the files in case mine were corrupt. When > >> I tried to > >> open them in Q-MIDI I got an error that said, "Logical end-of-file > >> reached > >> during read. Error -39" Same thing with Cakewalk's Metro5. Same > >> thing with > >> the original files I downloaded, and the files that Roland emailed > >> me. Funny > >> thing is, the quicktime player will actually play the files, but I > >> can't divert > >> that output to my Fastlane USB MIDI interface. > >> > >> Any ideas? I'm running Mac OS 9.2.2. There's PC MIDI players and PC > >> drivers > >> for the MOTU Fastlane MIDI interface, and I'm going to try them, as > >> well as the > >> OSX drivers, tonight. Before I did, I was just wondering if anyone > >> has had > >> similar problems with MIDI files on a Mac. Roland said they send > >> these files > >> out all the time with no problems. Mac and PC. Weird. They were > >> happy to > >> have me bring the unit in to an authorized service center for the > >> upgrade at no > >> cost, but I thought I'd give it one more time before losing the unit > >> for a > >> week. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mark Sottlilaro > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 02:14:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06920; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:14:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:14:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:13:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DA5FCB7.3C732120@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or modified "tar" to handle "sit" and "hqx"? Hm, that could be interesting. If I sold both of my desktop PCs, can anyone recommend the cheapest setup of the new Apple OS systems for both music and web graphics? -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." ho ho?! That sounds promising. The file was in the .zip format and I used stuffit to decompress it. I'll try to deal with it on my PC and see what that brings. Stuart Wyatt wrote: > Hey Mark, > > Are you downloading the files in .sit format (or some other archived > format?).... I had a problem a while back trying to unstuff a file which > was compressed by a newer version of stuffit expander than the version > that I had.... Have you tried uncompressing them in OSX? > > I think thats the only time that I have ever had that message 'Logical > eof reached'... > > Hope it helps :) > -- > Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 02:52:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09003; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:50:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:50:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:49:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <03595A6E-DCDA-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's see- they were "sit"? What were they? Have you looked into "winRAR?" Also maybe: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/Compression_and_Zip_File_Utilit ies/ first guess- sorry- busy... Aaargh... -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 03:32 PM, MIKO wrote: > Have you reached the emotional end of file? LOL > Ha ha Miko, you're about as funny as mother's day in an orfanage. But in conclusion, I could not find an app on the Mac (OS 9 or 10), or Windows 98 that could open these files. I must come to the realization that Roland sent me bad files. Why? I have no idea. I guess I'm sending my sequencer away for a bit. Thanks for all the help, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 02:54:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09220; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "ARTHUR LEE MUSIC" To: Subject: Loop IV Question Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:12:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there way to keep the volume from increasing as the loop gets larger with Loop IV? After I've put 4 percussion parts, acoustic rhythm, bass and synth textures my vocal and lead guitar balance gets thrown out of whack in the main mix as the loop is too loud. Any ideas? Thanks, Arthur Lee www.arthurleemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 03:58:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13551; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021011015404.00996980@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:54:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live In-Reply-To: <007001c27052$f83be820$272a93d4@black> References: <200210100720.DAA02781@hemlock.violacea.com> <007701c27042$19480d20$9763f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Claude, -for my part, I got my gear back today, and will be setting it up tomorrow, and hopefully have time to try to recreate what happened on stage with Rick's Repeater, before I'm off to check out a possible loopy venu tomorrow evening. I'll keep the list apprized as I go, K? Smiles, CQ At 01:48 PM 10/10/02 +0200, you wrote: >guys > >some thought >-why did it happen on stage did it happen at home too ? >-if it also happens at home you could record all the midi streams in a seq and >hope the problems will arise >then its perhaps easyer to debug, workaround, reproduce ? >-one thing that is probably a great problem avoider in my setup is that all midi >streams go thru my 8port se midi patcher /filter so I can avoid congestions and >unuseful messages by filtering any message that is not relevant to the hooked >units > >Claude > > > >> >> Dear Mark, >> I have had the Repeater tank out on me in four our of my last four live >> performances. My suspicion is that midi CC messages from both my WX5 wind >> synth and >> my Behringer midi pedals are overwhelming the unit but I'm just not sure. >> When it malfunctioned during Goddess's set the other night I had a horrible >> sinking >> feeling. >> >> It may be that I have an anomalous problem or a malfunctioning unit but >> there is also the distinct possiblity that the Repeater has some serious >> bugs in it. Given the erratic history of the release of the unit you have >> to admit that this might be a distinct, albeit >> depressing possibility. >> >> Trust me , buddy, I've tried hard enough. >> >> So, a queery: has anyone else been able to successfully use the Repeater >> with >> a wind controller and a set of midi pedals? >> >> yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) >> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 04:09:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15648; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 04:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 04:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021011020649.00899100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:06:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live In-Reply-To: <3DA5D381.CB46A4D3@zerocrossing.net> References: <200210100720.DAA02781@hemlock.violacea.com> <007701c27042$19480d20$9763f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a bit off-topic, but is there a copy of the 1.1 OS on the web?, -I'd like to have an archive just in case... Smiles, CQ At 12:22 PM 10/10/02 -0700, you wrote: >Well, have you tried to use it sans wind controller? That would be my first >try. I know it works well with the FCB1010, so no need to eliminate that. >I've got it to work perfectly with the note and clock output of my MC-307 >that's been merged with the FCB1010's CC messages. Never a problem. > >Also, it's a long shot, but maybe you've got a corrupt OS installed? Could >happen. I'd be happy to put my copy on a 16meg card and send it to you. I've >got an extra I could loan you no problem. Let me know. > >The other, more crappy possibility, is that you've got a Repeater with some >hardware problem. In that case, I'd take it in while it's still under >warrentee. > >Mark Sottilaro > >"Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > >> Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >> "Show me a piece of gear that can't be broken, and I'll tell you you're not >> trying hard enough. What do you mean you have to "adapt your performance >> after what is actually possible to do with the Repeater"? OF COURSE YOU >> DO. Try doing an 8 min loop on the EDP. Nope. Try inserting two beats of >> time into a Repeater loop. Nope. Just because you've found the limits of >> a piece of gear is no reason to say it's unreliable. >> I'm telling you people, just like the EDP, the Repeater is an instrument >> that needs to be learned and played. Practice has helped me immeasurably. >> I'm so used to it that when I got the EDP, that felt awkward, just as I had >> once thought the Repeater was. I think any high end looper is going to >> take time getting good at." >> >> Dear Mark, >> I have had the Repeater tank out on me in four our of my last four live >> performances. My suspicion is that midi CC messages from both my WX5 wind >> synth and >> my Behringer midi pedals are overwhelming the unit but I'm just not sure. >> When it malfunctioned during Goddess's set the other night I had a horrible >> sinking >> feeling. >> >> It may be that I have an anomalous problem or a malfunctioning unit but >> there is also the distinct possiblity that the Repeater has some serious >> bugs in it. Given the erratic history of the release of the unit you have >> to admit that this might be a distinct, albeit >> depressing possibility. >> >> Trust me , buddy, I've tried hard enough. >> >> So, a queery: has anyone else been able to successfully use the Repeater >> with >> a wind controller and a set of midi pedals? >> >> yours, Rick Walker (loop.pool) > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 04:16:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16116; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 04:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 04:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021011021754.00897de0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:17:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: loading "into" Repeater? 2 Repeaters synced? In-Reply-To: <142.240fab.2ad7a66e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <5tbYcB.A.L7D.yiop9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You might be able to create a blank loop with the appropriate tracks selected, and then simply swap the blank .wav file(s) with the audio you'd like to save to the card. -preserving the naming structure of course... -Hope this helps... Smiles, CQ At 11:58 PM 10/10/02 EDT, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Unless I'm mistaken, the only way one can load audio into the Repeater is by >recording it, right? There's no way to say copy in wav files on the CFC is >there? (because the other proprietary files for a new loop would be non >existant). > >I'm looking to load in some audio from Pro Tools. I guess I'll just have to >connect the Digi interfaces to the Repeater and hit record? Maybe with MIDI >connected to get the tempo locked? > >Also... anyone ever locked up two Repeaters? We've been connecting one's >MIDI out to the others MIDI in... but so far.. nothing seems to be happening. > > >Thanks! >--Tom Griesgraber > >ps - gig spam... I'm doing a short series of gigs/clinics with drummer Jerry >Marotta. The Repeater is a mainstay in what I do now, and Jerry's now got >one too. Definitley territory we're both diving into more (hence the >questions). We'll be doing some live shows this weekend in Rochester, NY and >Cleveland, OH. Check out www.jerrymarotta.com/news.html for details (I play >Stick in this btw). > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 04:24:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16482; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 04:23:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 04:23:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: OT: Small Webcasters Amendments Act of 2002 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 01:23:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c270ff$6d08cd60$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings- I don't mean to burden the list with OT flotsam but I think a majority would agree this is worth posting about- please visit www.somafm.com for information regarding an amendment that is held up at the moment in the Senate- it would provide a way for small webcasters to come back on the air- It seems what is most crucial at this moment is for us to contact our reps via telephone or fax (www.congress.org) and urge them to support this amendment. Cliff www.om-studios.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 05:37:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21214; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:34:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:34:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: OT: REVERSE TRANSCRIPTASE AND INDIRECT COMMUNICATION Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:33:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <6CQiv.A.yKF.Espp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OH, NOTHING. I'M JUST BEING INDIRECT. I'LL PROBABLY BE THIS WAY FOREVER. SORRY. KIM. I'LL KEEP ON TOPIC. SORRY. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 05:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21217; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:34:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Loop IV Question Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:34:00 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000b01c27109$544b2390$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there way to keep the volume from increasing as the loop > gets larger with Loop IV? > > After I've put 4 percussion parts, acoustic rhythm, bass and > synth textures my vocal and lead guitar balance gets thrown > out of whack in the main mix as the loop is too loud. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Arthur Lee > www.arthurleemusic.com > Hi Arthur, As I understand what you are doing, you are using the EDP for sound-on-sound recording. So I guess the workaround of bringing level down by feedback, used by me and other more perfomance oriented users, might not be to much help. Unless you do that adjustment at a certain point in the recording process to make headroom for the next instrument. You haven't considered a multitrack recording system? ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 05:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21377; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:37:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:37:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: OT: SORRY- ONE MORE- WHAT DO YOU DO WITH GENETIC MATERIAL? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:36:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021011021754.00897de0@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PROTEIN SEQUENCES REPEAT SO THIS IS VALID. I THINK? MAYBE? BUT I'M LOOPY. WHAT DO YOU WITH GENETIC MATERIAL? BUILD A BRIDGE. WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THE BRIDGE COLLAPSES? BUILD A NEW BRIDGE. JOURNALISTS LIKE DANIEL PEARL BUILT BRIDGES. WHO ARE THE JOURNALISTS FOR GENETIC MATERIAL? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 05:45:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21532; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:40:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:40:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: OT: KIM PLEASE DONT KILL ME I CAN CURE YEAST INFECTIONS Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:39:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c270ff$6d08cd60$6401a8c0@om> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com JUST KIDDING, I CAN'T. SORRY- THINK I'LL HAVE ANOTHER BEER. BEER IS ALL ABOUT CULTURE. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 05:49:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22043; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:46:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: "MIKO" , Subject: OT: OT: OH KIM HOW WILL YOU FORIGVE ME? MENTOS- THE FRESH MAKER- AND ENDLESS LOOPING ELECTRONS- WHAT A WASTE? OR NOT? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 02:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01C270D0.38B48BA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Private Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C270D0.38B48BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SPREE? I USED TO LOVE TO SUCK ON THOSE BUT THEY’D GET GRAINY AND HURT MY TONGUE. MENTOS ARE SO MUCH MINTIER. THERE’S MINT IN MY SHAMPOO. I THINK. WHAT’S THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT THE STUDY OF BUBBLES? WHAT THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT BONDS? SOMETHING ABOUT HITTING A HOMERUN IF I COULD JUST STUDY THE BONDS TECHNIQUE. I’D SENT THE BALL WAY OUT PAST LEFT FIELD LIKE AN ELECTRON FREED FROM IT’S ENDLESS LOOP… ICOULD DO IT IF I HUMMED “WE ARE LIVING IN A MATIERIAL WORLD AND I’M AM A MATIERIAL… UH…. BOY….” HATE THOSE SONGS WHERE GENDER MATTERS. I’M BLAMING THE LUTEINIZING HORMONE FOR ALL BAD LYRICS. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C270D0.38B48BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SPREE?  I USED TO LOVE TO SUCK ON THOSE BUT THEY’D GET GRAINY AND = HURT MY TONGUE.  MENTOS ARE SO = MUCH MINTIER.

 

THERE’S MINT IN MY SHAMPOO.  I THINK.  =

 

WHAT’S THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT THE STUDY OF = BUBBLES?

 

WHAT THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT BONDS?  SOMETHING ABOUT HITTING A HOMERUN IF I COULD JUST = STUDY THE BONDS TECHNIQUE.

 

I’D SENT THE BALL WAY OUT PAST LEFT FIELD LIKE AN ELECTRON = FREED FROM IT’S ENDLESS LOOP…

 

ICOULD DO IT IF I HUMMED “WE ARE LIVING IN A MATIERIAL = WORLD AND I’M AM A MATIERIAL… UH…. = BOY….”

 

HATE THOSE SONGS WHERE GENDER MATTERS.  I’M BLAMING THE LUTEINIZING HORMONE FOR ALL BAD = LYRICS.

------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C270D0.38B48BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 05:49:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22046; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:46:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:46:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026401c2710b$587d97c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: SORRY- ONE MORE- WHAT DO YOU DO WITH GENETIC MATERIAL? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:48:11 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > WHO ARE THE JOURNALISTS FOR GENETIC MATERIAL? There are none required, for genetic material tells its OWN story. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 06:16:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA25635; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: "MIKO" , Subject: The accidental war of the media Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:14:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C270D4.54EDE650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Private Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C270D4.54EDE650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tonight the media reported on where a sniper had not yet attacked, then a sniper attacked there. The media is addicted to itself. The media is in an repeating loop. When will it reach the logical end of file? The media is attacking itself by attacking our senses and our senses can’t take it. The truly peaceful can take it, but can those who are not truly peaceful? I THING attacking itself? Sounds like an auto-immune disorder? What if AIDS was the media of the body caught in an endless loop? But what’s the media? * structural – compounds? * Molecular * Atomic * And once again, what is this heavy water? I’d hate to think that “Willard water” stands for rats getting their revenge. But when I say rats, I mean real rats, like- Willard. Ben,. The two of us need love no more. We both found what we were looking for? Oh god- a thing attacking itself also sounds like- internalized homophobia. Kill my doppleganger, please- don’t kill me. My doppleganger knows my pain and he cannot bear it. And he’s physically not in the room with me. And he only thinks he’s my doppleganger because his thoughts are too close to my own. Too close to the ghosts. Leads to hysteria in some, but not in me. Meanwhile I’m at home writing and waiting and hoping for a miracle. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C270D4.54EDE650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tonight the media reported on where a sniper had not yet = attacked, then a sniper attacked there.

 

The media is addicted to = itself.

 

The media is in an repeating loop.  When will it reach the logical end of = file?

 

The media is attacking itself by attacking our senses and our = senses can’t take it.  The truly = peaceful can take it, but can those who are not truly = peaceful?

 

I THING attacking itself?

 

Sounds like an auto-immune = disorder?

 

What if AIDS was the media of the body caught in an endless = loop?

 

But what’s the media?

 

  • st= ructural – compounds?
  • Mo= lecular
  • At= omic
  • An= d once again, what is this heavy = water?

 

I’d hate to think that “Willard water” stands = for rats getting their revenge.

 

But when I say rats, I mean real rats, like- = Willard.

 

Ben,. The two of us need love no more.  We both found what we were looking = for?

 

Oh god- a thing attacking itself also sounds like- internalized homophobia.

 

Kill my doppleganger, please- don’t kill me.  My doppleganger knows my pain and he cannot bear = it.  And he’s physically not = in the room with me.  And he only = thinks he’s my doppleganger because his thoughts are too close to my own.  Too close to the ghosts.  Leads to hysteria in some, but = not in me.

 

Meanwhile I’m at home writing and waiting and hoping for a = miracle.

------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C270D4.54EDE650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 06:59:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28842; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: SORRY- ONE MORE- WHAT DO YOU DO WITH GENETIC MATERIAL? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:57:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <026401c2710b$587d97c0$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Until something causes it to mutate. -----Original Message----- From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SORRY- ONE MORE- WHAT DO YOU DO WITH GENETIC MATERIAL? > WHO ARE THE JOURNALISTS FOR GENETIC MATERIAL? There are none required, for genetic material tells its OWN story. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 08:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02596; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:34:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:34:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021011123307.27135.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 05:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: not very reliable live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, Oh shit you mean it could be the EDP? Can you develop more? did it do it ocassionally at first? louie > Are you sure it was the Repeater that made the loud > static noise? I > had that exact problem... but with the EDP. I had > to send it away for > repair at it became unusable. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:42 PM, Louie > Angulo wrote: > > > I also had a strange problem with the > repeater,they > > are by the way the new os1.1 versions; > > The first one i got just plain stop working after > 4 > > days out of the box as i was changing midi > cables.I > > then got a new one and a few days later as i was > > playing, it made a very lound horrible static > noise.It > > semms to have affected the EDP as well since it > was > > showing some sort of reset countdown in the > screen.I > > turned everything off and on again and it¥s been > > healthy ever since.I haven¥t tried the repeater > live > > yet but i¥d hate to go through that! > > Anyone else with similar cases? > > cu > > Louie > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > > http://faith.yahoo.com > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 08:54:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03643; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:53:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:53:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <81.22cef3bc.2ad82382@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:52:18 EDT Subject: Re: One More question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ng, >Do you (or anyone) bother to save your loops as separate tracks, while >they are developing, before too many lines, sometimes, although the 'save'-concept may be merely recording everything that happens, and messing w/bits of it, later..... i don't have one way of working, really. w/the edp and repeater it's not that hard to keep compositional elements separated, anyways..... >in Logic, etc or just record >it >all as it goes in realtime? ahh..... yeah, sometimes. >If so, what is your methodology? >I often press *Record* when something interesting develops, but many times >wish I would have recorded the different parts/overdubs/early development >on >separate tracks for remixing... in that case, why not just keep a dat/microcassette/daw/whatever running? can often alter the quality of performance, imo..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 09:11:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06218; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:10:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:10:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <155.15b89bad.2ad8279c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:09:48 EDT Subject: Re: One More question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ng, >EDP doesn't have separate tracks, .....but clearly does implement a) multiple loops, and b) undo! >and the spontaneity is the MAIN point >(at >least in my book), do you really have a book? --- can i borrow it? would make some parts of my life a bit easier..... anyway. spontaneity is important to me, too, but: it doesn't necessarily define anything qualitatively musical. (eg: i often prefer to listen to k.kashkashian & r.levin playing hindemith or yoshihiro hanno or neil young etc than loadsa so-called 'spontaneous' 'improvisation'.....) >and syncing the separate tracks in a sequencer would >take >significant advance planning and get in the way of the real-time process. ..... hmmm; i wonder, i don't know 'bout that. i know for certain that -well in advance of when i sit down to write- i'm gonna be spontaneous, to some degree, regardless of the complexity/required involvement of the tools i'm gonna use..... eh? ee. o. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 10:01:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10536; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:57:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:57:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <138.15da4274.2ad8329c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:56:44 EDT Subject: Re: Loop IV Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is there way to keep the volume from increasing as the loop gets larger with > Loop IV? > > After I've put 4 percussion parts, acoustic rhythm, bass and synth textures > my vocal and lead guitar balance gets thrown out of whack in the main mix as > the loop is too loud. > > Any ideas? > Hi Arthur, you need to turn down the feedback a bit. Or start off at a lower volume. If you use the new Replace Mode you can fade down the old stuff as you add the new (with a footpedal) The effect on the loop is the same as using feedback in LoopMode, but you get to hear what your fade will sound like as you do it. (normally you won't hear the result of feedback until the loop repeats, which makes it harder to judge). andy butler (just hoping someone would ask that!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 10:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14305; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DA49120.482BDF8C@zerocrossing.net> References: <960BA604-DA13-11D6-8086-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <3DA4874E.4090903@bagend.com> <3DA49120.482BDF8C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:30:57 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Recently this turned into a MIDI pedal list... sorry, I didnt read all posts and dont have such pedal and dont intend to look into its manual, but just an impression: I guess the programming of those pedals can be saved over MIDI, some Sysex form, no? So at least you users could exchange them. There are not that many reasonable options, so if some share a reasonable one, most users could be satisfied without learning to programm. then it seems that it would be rather simple to create a little editor for the PC that creates such Sysex data so the user can program his own configuration graphically on the PC without learning the apparently so terrible FCB1010 language. >I hate to say this, but I think you're both a bit off on this. Programming >a pedal for someone might help in the short term, but in the end the person >will be "stuck" with someone else's ideas about how the pedal should >operate. I know it's a pain in the ass, but buckle down and learn it. >It's not that bad, in the scheme of things. I've programmed quite a few >devices in my day, and until you've tried to come up with patches for the >Yamaha DX7 or make a sequence on a Brother sequencer (yeah, that's right, >the typewriter company made MIDI sequencers for a while!) you don't know >hell. Trust me, what you learn from forcing yourself to program the >FCB1010 will be helpful in programming any device in the future. You'll >learn how to learn decipher manuals and really use gear as it's suited for >you. You'll get your money's worth out of the gear and be happier in the >end. > >Trust me, I've gotten rid of units because they were too hard to program or >operate, and the FCB1010 is not one of them. Get a good night sleep, put >away your bong, read the manual and spend a Sunday afternoon figuring it >out. I know you can do it! > >Mark Sottilaro > >Henry Heine wrote: > >> Three cheers and a little dance for this proposal. >> >> Henry >> >> Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> >> > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help >> > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide >> > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the >> > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the >> > midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software >> > that will do this). >> > >> > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi >> > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? >> > >> > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, >> > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect >> > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions >> > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its >> > been discussed before I think.... >> > >> > I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but >> > its difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your >> > brain is fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. >> > >> > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info >> > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - >> > especially with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by >> > step, easily navigable guide with everything that a looper would >> > need... tips... full programming charts.... etc. etc. >> > >> > Just a thought.... >> > -- >> > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project >> > http://www.solostring.com >> > stuart@solostring.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 10:31:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14557; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <038201c26ff3$22279270$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> <02d501c26fd1$b1f8dd40$080210ac@jpalmer> <009701c26fb9$2d126b90$0cf8c440@g0wn7> <038201c26ff3$22279270$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:32:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: was - Unidentified subject! - now midipedal, playing seated , and more!!! now how much would you pay? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > i play seated and use my left leg for all access-ing...just sort of >> suspended in mid-air and the force of gravity on my leg allows for quick and >> timely button presses with little effort. however, there was a "getting >> used to it" period as the all access isn't nearly as easy to work with as >> the efc-7 for looping purposes where timing is the key. > >are you left handed? >my left foot is even clumsier than my right foot. well, all drumers use the clumsy foot to drive the HH, so that should be possible :-) > >i learned classical guitar technique from Charles Postlewaite, who >had invented a 5 fingered right hand technique (using the pinky). this is probably the point. I found that its important to use *the leg which does not support the guitar* for the rhythm tapping. Since my guitar sits on the right leg, I use the right foot for volume control, which is not a problem. Its big toe additionally activates the Overdub button (built into the volume pedal) which is a little trickyer, especially when I do Record-Overdub (which turns the Overdub press into a time defining one). -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 10:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15309; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:42:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: FCB 1010--step by step guide Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 07:40:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why not just play with it for a while and intuit how it works? If it bored your or freaks you out you'll waste effort on an upgrade or you'll switch to something new and you'll have totally lost any chance to make music with a potentially very useful tool. -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB 1010--step by step guide Recently this turned into a MIDI pedal list... sorry, I didnt read all posts and dont have such pedal and dont intend to look into its manual, but just an impression: I guess the programming of those pedals can be saved over MIDI, some Sysex form, no? So at least you users could exchange them. There are not that many reasonable options, so if some share a reasonable one, most users could be satisfied without learning to programm. then it seems that it would be rather simple to create a little editor for the PC that creates such Sysex data so the user can program his own configuration graphically on the PC without learning the apparently so terrible FCB1010 language. >I hate to say this, but I think you're both a bit off on this. Programming >a pedal for someone might help in the short term, but in the end the person >will be "stuck" with someone else's ideas about how the pedal should >operate. I know it's a pain in the ass, but buckle down and learn it. >It's not that bad, in the scheme of things. I've programmed quite a few >devices in my day, and until you've tried to come up with patches for the >Yamaha DX7 or make a sequence on a Brother sequencer (yeah, that's right, >the typewriter company made MIDI sequencers for a while!) you don't know >hell. Trust me, what you learn from forcing yourself to program the >FCB1010 will be helpful in programming any device in the future. You'll >learn how to learn decipher manuals and really use gear as it's suited for >you. You'll get your money's worth out of the gear and be happier in the >end. > >Trust me, I've gotten rid of units because they were too hard to program or >operate, and the FCB1010 is not one of them. Get a good night sleep, put >away your bong, read the manual and spend a Sunday afternoon figuring it >out. I know you can do it! > >Mark Sottilaro > >Henry Heine wrote: > >> Three cheers and a little dance for this proposal. >> >> Henry >> >> Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> >> > I was chatting with someone off-list about what could be done to help >> > new users with the FCB1010. One idea I had was to be able to provide >> > downloadable SysEx files with basic layout templates for the >> > Repeater/EDP, as well as simple instructions on how to transfer the >> > midi data across from computer to pedal (with links to PC/Mac software >> > that will do this). >> > >> > The only problem that I foresee is that not everyone has a midi >> > interface on their computer.... What does everyone think? >> > >> > I had a hell of a lot of problems getting my head around the FCB1010, >> > but now, it does seem really simple once you take your time to dissect >> > and analyse everything. Maybe what we do need is simple instructions >> > written by loopers and formatted as html (with images) or PDF..... Its >> > been discussed before I think.... >> > >> > I know that a lot of information already exists in the archives, but >> > its difficult to find what you are looking for - especially if your >> > brain is fried with 8 hours of failed FCB programming. >> > >> > I'm willing to help create an FCB guide (time permitting) with info >> > geared for the Repeater. Is anyone else willing to help out - >> > especially with regards to the EDP? I'm looking at creating step by >> > step, easily navigable guide with everything that a looper would >> > need... tips... full programming charts.... etc. etc. >> > >> > Just a thought.... >> > -- >> > Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project >> > http://www.solostring.com >> > stuart@solostring.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 11:55:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20608; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:49:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:49:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:49:40 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: One More question... In-reply-to: <81.22cef3bc.2ad82382@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0D6DCC77-DD31-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is one of the great features of Digital Performer's built in looper "POLAR." Each pass can automatically be a new "track" if you like. very sweet. You can then bounce your loop into your composition and play with it any way you like. I'd love it if the Repeater behaved in this way, but you'd really need a ton of RAM to make that happen. It's all RAM based, so it works fine on my G4 because I bought 1.5 gig when it became really cheap. Imagine an EDP with a GIG of RAM. mmmmmm Mark Sottilaro On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:52 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > ng, > >> Do you (or anyone) bother to save your loops as separate tracks, while >> they are developing, before too many lines, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 11:59:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21271; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:57:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:57:05 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: OT: OH KIM HOW WILL YOU FORIGVE ME? MENTOS- THE FRESH MAKER- AND ENDLESS LOOPING ELECTRONS- WHAT A WASTE? OR NOT? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <16A46D55-DD32-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA21191 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool it with the bonghits. On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 02:45 AM, MIKO wrote: > WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SPREE? I USED TO LOVE TO SUCK ON THOSE BUT THEY’D > GET GRAINY AND HURT MY TONGUE. MENTOS ARE SO MUCH MINTIER. > >   > > THERE’S MINT IN MY SHAMPOO. I THINK.  > >   > > WHAT’S THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT THE STUDY OF BUBBLES? > >   > > WHAT THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT BONDS? SOMETHING ABOUT HITTING A > HOMERUN IF I COULD JUST STUDY THE BONDS TECHNIQUE. > >   > > I’D SENT THE BALL WAY OUT PAST LEFT FIELD LIKE AN ELECTRON FREED FROM > IT’S ENDLESS LOOP… > >   > > ICOULD DO IT IF I HUMMED “WE ARE LIVING IN A MATIERIAL WORLD AND I’M > AM A MATIERIAL… UH…. BOY….” > >   > > HATE THOSE SONGS WHERE GENDER MATTERS. I’M BLAMING THE LUTEINIZING > HORMONE FOR ALL BAD LYRICS. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 12:00:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21019; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:54:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:54:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:53:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: not very reliable live? In-reply-to: <20021011123307.27135.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <9CF13C22-DD31-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA20958 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, it happened a few times, but mostly it would go into a mysterious reboot mode. Sometimes it would come out of it on it's own, other times no. I found I could make it happen by lightly tapping the case. I re seated every damn component in the thing, but nothing helped. Probably a tiny crack in a solder joint or something. Common, but a bummer. good luck, Mark Sottilaro On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:33 AM, Louie Angulo wrote: > Hi Mark, > Oh shit you mean it could be the EDP? Can you develop > more? did it do it ocassionally at first? > louie > > > >> Are you sure it was the Repeater that made the loud >> static noise? I >> had that exact problem... but with the EDP. I had >> to send it away for >> repair at it became unusable. >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:42 PM, Louie >> Angulo wrote: >> >>> I also had a strange problem with the >> repeater,they >>> are by the way the new os1.1 versions; >>> The first one i got just plain stop working after >> 4 >>> days out of the box as i was changing midi >> cables.I >>> then got a new one and a few days later as i was >>> playing, it made a very lound horrible static >> noise.It >>> semms to have affected the EDP as well since it >> was >>> showing some sort of reset countdown in the >> screen.I >>> turned everything off and on again and it•s been >>> healthy ever since.I haven•t tried the repeater >> live >>> yet but i•d hate to go through that! >>> Anyone else with similar cases? >>> cu >>> Louie >>> >>> ===== >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >>> http://faith.yahoo.com >>> >> > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 12:01:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22717; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:00:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:00:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:00:07 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: SV: not very reliable live In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20021011020649.00899100@pop.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <832D715E-DD32-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.electrixpro.com/support/softwareupdates.html On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 01:06 AM, Goddess wrote: > This is a bit off-topic, but is there a copy of the 1.1 OS on the > web?, > -I'd like to have an archive just in case... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 12:02:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22985; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: One More question... Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:57:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <155.15b89bad.2ad8279c@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks dt! just the kind of feedback I was looking for... I just needed a little whack from the Zen master... _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Hedewa7@aol.com [mailto:Hedewa7@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: One More question... > > > ng, > >EDP doesn't have separate tracks, > .....but clearly does implement a) multiple loops, and b) undo! > > >and the spontaneity is the MAIN point > >(at > >least in my book), > do you really have a book? --- can i borrow it? > would make some parts of my life a bit easier..... > > anyway. > spontaneity is important to me, too, but: it doesn't necessarily define > anything qualitatively musical. > (eg: i often prefer to listen to k.kashkashian & r.levin playing > hindemith or > yoshihiro hanno or neil young etc than loadsa so-called 'spontaneous' > 'improvisation'.....) > > >and syncing the separate tracks in a sequencer would > >take > >significant advance planning and get in the way of the real-time process. > ..... hmmm; i wonder, i don't know 'bout that. > i know for certain that -well in advance of when i sit down to write- i'm > gonna be spontaneous, to some degree, regardless of the > complexity/required > involvement of the tools i'm gonna use..... > eh? > ee. > o. > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 12:03:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22996; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:02:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:02:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:02:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 11:11 PM, MIKO wrote: > Move it to your PC in ZIP format, I'd recommend, and then decompress it > there using Winzip or, with XP, decompression needs no extra utility > for > most files. Thanks. I had tried that. Didn't work. The files are weird. > > BUT- I'm curious- with the new OS that is UNIX-based - is the > decompression > tool now "tar"? Yes, the version of Stuffit for OSX will make .tar files. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 12:03:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22591; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:59:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:59:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:58:01 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016401c2713e$f9d48240$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com www.waterphone.com > OK, sorry I'm late on this- can someone send me some quick good links where > I can see and hear a waterphone? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 12:08:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23467; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:08:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:08:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:08:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: "Logical end-of-file reached..." In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <9EB581F4-DD33-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also used to work in IS in an all Mac media dept at the San Francisco Art Institute and we never had a drive fail the time I was there. Nothing so bad Norton or Disc Warrior couldn't handle. And to be honest, a true hard drive failure, as opposed to file corruption is hard ware, not software. Nothing to do with the OS, really. Macs have always used decent SCSI or ATA drives. Sometimes they fail, but that's the nature of reality. Nothing to do with what OS is on them. Good thing you're no longer working in I.S and you've secured a position as an email list ranter. Mark Sottilaro On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 11:09 PM, MIKO wrote: > You wanna know the truth... from a former associate director of IS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 12:19:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24080; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <30.2e5d7e63.2ad8538a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:17:14 EDT Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko, In a message dated 10/10/02 10:27:05 PM, m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: >OK, sorry I'm late on this- can someone send me some quick good links where >I can see and hear a waterphone? You could start (like I did) at http://www.waterphone.com/ Best, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 13:07:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28857; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021011170323.25350.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #680 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210111401.KAA12143@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Hey man, don't bogart the joint! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 13:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29894; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:19:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:19:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:19:06 -0500 x-sender: billmonk@mail.mac.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Bill Monk To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >The file was in the .zip format and I used stuffit to decompress it. I've been bitten by this before. Try this... Launch Stuffit Expander, go to Prefences, select Cross Platform from icons at left. The preference pane will read: Convert text files to Macintosh format: <> When a file is known to contain text <> Never Select "Never" and re-decompress the original .zip files again. Stuffit sometimes thinks that zipped data files are "known to contain text" when actually they contain data that can look a little like text, such as sysx. Very recent versions of Stuffit Expander don't seen to have this option, maybe they made it smarter so it doesn't need to be told what to do anymore...havn't tested that though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 13:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32058; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:54:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:54:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ac01c2711c$30cf9a50$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> <02d501c26fd1$b1f8dd40$080210ac@jpalmer> <009701c26fb9$2d126b90$0cf8c440@g0wn7> <038201c26ff3$22279270$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: was - Unidentified subject! - now midipedal, playing seated , and more!!! now how much would you pay? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:48:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "I found that its important to use *the leg which does not support the guitar* for the rhythm tapping. Since my guitar sits on the right leg, I use the right foot for volume control, which is not a problem." good point. actually, i wear my guitar strapped on (and fairly high on my body) so both legs are free to push buttons or swivel my body around. i've got it worked out so that i have 4 useable appendages (two legs, two arms...i still haven't found a use for my head. a hat-rack maybe?). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 13:59:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32225; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:56:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:56:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00db01c2711c$9d44a5e0$0af8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <16A46D55-DD32-11D6-8A31-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: OT: OT: OH KIM HOW WILL YOU FORIGVE ME? MENTOS- THE FRESH MAKER- AND ENDLESS LOOPING ELECTRONS- WHAT A WASTE? OR NOT? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:51:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com seriously...what the hell? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:03:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32221; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:56:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:56:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: MIDI files problem on a Mac: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:55:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No one as beautiful as a spider here last night. Nor the kiss of a komodo. I have not been bitten. Horrible MIGRAINE though. Souls decompressing. What a headache. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Monk [mailto:billmonk@mac.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: >The file was in the .zip format and I used stuffit to decompress it. I've been bitten by this before. Try this... Launch Stuffit Expander, go to Prefences, select Cross Platform from icons at left. The preference pane will read: Convert text files to Macintosh format: <> When a file is known to contain text <> Never Select "Never" and re-decompress the original .zip files again. Stuffit sometimes thinks that zipped data files are "known to contain text" when actually they contain data that can look a little like text, such as sysx. Very recent versions of Stuffit Expander don't seen to have this option, maybe they made it smarter so it doesn't need to be told what to do anymore...havn't tested that though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:08:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01843; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:07:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:07:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DA7133A.623807D5@zerocrossing.net> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:06:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI files problem on a Mac: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ooo, that's good advise. I wonder if Winzip was doing the same thing, as I had the same issue on our PC. Thank you for the tip. Mark Sottilaro Bill Monk wrote: > >The file was in the .zip format and I used stuffit to decompress it. > > I've been bitten by this before. Try this... > > Launch Stuffit Expander, go to Prefences, select Cross Platform from > icons at left. The preference pane will read: > > Convert text files to Macintosh format: > <> When a file is known to contain text > <> Never > > Select "Never" and re-decompress the original .zip files again. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:16:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02279; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:15:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:15:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:14:30 EDT Subject: OT: Cool music alert To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA02218 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, For those of you who might be interested, guitarist Mike Keneally (Zappa Band and G3 tour alumnus) is doing Taylor acoustic guitar clinic/performances up and down the left coast at various music emporiums. He did one at the GC in little ol' Medford, OR the other night and I was blown away. No looping content at all (sorry). Just him and his bassist Bryan Beller (on a nifty Taylor acoustic bass designed by Steve Kline) playing their little hinnies off. You haven't lived 'til you've heard "Day of the Cow" played and sung acoustically. They are slated to do their next couple of spots at: San Rafael, California Bananas at Large Friday, October 11, 7 pm (415) 457-7600 San Jose, California Guitar Center Saturday, October 12, 7 pm (408) 249-0455 Even if there is no loop content these guys are jaw-droppingly good (and funny as hell too). The Taylor "commercial" part of the act ain't too painful. If you have nothing else to do . . . you owe it to yourself to catch these guys. They're nice folk too. See 'em, meet 'em, hang out with 'em too. Did I say it's all for FREE!!! Best, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02540; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:16:58 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Cool music alert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA02487 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll second this. If you can make it, do attend. Mike is fantastic! (Bryan too!) On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 11:14 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi there, > > For those of you who might be interested, guitarist Mike > Keneally (Zappa Band and G3 tour alumnus) is doing Taylor > acoustic guitar clinic/performances up and down the left > coast at various music emporiums. He did one at the GC > in little ol' Medford, OR the other night and I was blown away. > > No looping content at all (sorry). Just him and his bassist > Bryan Beller (on a nifty Taylor acoustic bass designed by > Steve Kline) playing their little hinnies off. You haven't lived 'til > you've heard "Day of the Cow" played and sung acoustically. > > They are slated to do their next couple of spots at: > > San Rafael, California > Bananas at Large > Friday, October 11, 7 pm > (415) 457-7600 > > San Jose, California > Guitar Center > Saturday, October 12, 7 pm > (408) 249-0455 > > Even if there is no loop content these guys are jaw-droppingly > good (and funny as hell too). The Taylor "commercial" part > of the act ain't too painful. If you have nothing else to do . . . > you owe it to yourself to catch these guys. They're nice folk > too. See 'em, meet 'em, hang out with 'em too. Did I say it's > all for FREE!!! > > Best, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:25:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03534; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:24:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: was - Unidentified subject! - now midipedal, playing seated , and more!!! now how much would you pay? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:23:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <00ac01c2711c$30cf9a50$0af8c440@g0wn7> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_nr4ND.A.l2.Xdxp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The guitar ran away with Imus before the spoons could be remembered. LOL -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: was - Unidentified subject! - now midipedal, playing seated , and more!!! now how much would you pay? "I found that its important to use *the leg which does not support the guitar* for the rhythm tapping. Since my guitar sits on the right leg, I use the right foot for volume control, which is not a problem." good point. actually, i wear my guitar strapped on (and fairly high on my body) so both legs are free to push buttons or swivel my body around. i've got it worked out so that i have 4 useable appendages (two legs, two arms...i still haven't found a use for my head. a hat-rack maybe?). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:25:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03638; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:25:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:25:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:24:51 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: was - Unidentified subject! - now midipedal, playing seated , and more!!! now how much would you pay? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01c801c27153$7e973c20$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> <02d501c26fd1$b1f8dd40$080210ac@jpalmer> <009701c26fb9$2d126b90$0cf8c440@g0wn7> <038201c26ff3$22279270$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > >are you left handed? > >my left foot is even clumsier than my right foot. > > well, all drumers use the clumsy foot to drive the HH, so that should > be possible :-) > i like that. but i would have to call my right foot my "clumsy foot" and i guess my left foot would be my "clumsier foot" >..> >... Its big toe additionally activates > the Overdub button (built into the volume pedal) which is a little > trickyer, especially when I do Record-Overdub (which turns the > Overdub press into a time defining one). > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > cool, do you have the switch attached to the moving part of the volume pedal? how do you avoid accidentally activating overdub? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:26:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03786; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:25:09 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Cool music alert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA03725 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Should also mention that Mike will be playing with his full Mike Keneally Band next Saturday at Great American Music Hall. Also on the bill is Telepathy and Palace of Love featuring Mike and; Henry Kaiser, Chris Cutler, Michael Manring, Chris Muir, Lukas Ligeti and Damon Smith How's that for a lineup! Saturday, October 19, 2002 Great American Music Hall 859 O'Farrell Street San Francisco, CA 94109 Doors 8:00 PM Telepathy starts at 8:30 On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 11:14 AM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi there, > > For those of you who might be interested, guitarist Mike > Keneally (Zappa Band and G3 tour alumnus) is doing Taylor > acoustic guitar clinic/performances up and down the left > coast at various music emporiums. He did one at the GC > in little ol' Medford, OR the other night and I was blown away. > > No looping content at all (sorry). Just him and his bassist > Bryan Beller (on a nifty Taylor acoustic bass designed by > Steve Kline) playing their little hinnies off. You haven't lived 'til > you've heard "Day of the Cow" played and sung acoustically. > > They are slated to do their next couple of spots at: > > San Rafael, California > Bananas at Large > Friday, October 11, 7 pm > (415) 457-7600 > > San Jose, California > Guitar Center > Saturday, October 12, 7 pm > (408) 249-0455 > > Even if there is no loop content these guys are jaw-droppingly > good (and funny as hell too). The Taylor "commercial" part > of the act ain't too painful. If you have nothing else to do . . . > you owe it to yourself to catch these guys. They're nice folk > too. See 'em, meet 'em, hang out with 'em too. Did I say it's > all for FREE!!! > > Best, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:31:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04918; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:30:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:30:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 13:30:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: was - Unidentified subject! - now midipedal, playing seated , and more!!! now how much would you pay? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01f201c27154$4540ee70$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021007185437.29042.qmail@email.com> <006901c26e0b$501e8bf0$08f8c440@g0wn7> <007301c26edf$9f8dade0$ba2693d4@black> <00d601c26f25$50f2aeb0$01f8c440@g0wn7> <02d501c26fd1$b1f8dd40$080210ac@jpalmer> <009701c26fb9$2d126b90$0cf8c440@g0wn7> <038201c26ff3$22279270$080210ac@jpalmer> <00ac01c2711c$30cf9a50$0af8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: <1i_G0D.A.KMB.Fjxp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >... >...i still haven't found a use for my head. a hat-rack maybe?). > > -jim > sometimes i sits and thinks, other times i just sits... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 14:33:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03748; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:25:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:25:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: OT: OT: OH KIM HOW WILL YOU FORIGVE ME? MENTOS- THE FRESH MAKER- AND ENDLESS LOOPING ELECTRONS- WHAT A WASTE? OR NOT? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:24:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <00db01c2711c$9d44a5e0$0af8c440@g0wn7> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4yjYkB.A.g4.Cexp9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That one was a bit esoteric. Let's not revisit it. Just laugh... ??? -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: OT: OH KIM HOW WILL YOU FORIGVE ME? MENTOS- THE FRESH MAKER- AND ENDLESS LOOPING ELECTRONS- WHAT A WASTE? OR NOT? seriously...what the hell? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 11 15:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08554; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:01:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:01:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <9b.2edc3f98.2ad879c5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:00:21 EDT Subject: an observation (mo-fx) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
i have had an electrix mo-fx for a good while now and have never played into 
it by itself, it was always at the end of a long chain of stuff.....well all 
of my goodies are packed and ready to go west tonite and i wanted to play a 
little but then thought i have no looper, big bummer.....lets go straight 
into the mo with my guitar and i added a mic into the sec. channel.....my 
gosh!.....i had always thought it was an ok box but  going straight in and 
then straight out to the mixer, it sounds wonderful.....just goes to show ya 
if you change a few wires you're in a whole other world.....at least i am and 
i love it!.....its off to the airport in a bit to get to the" EAST MEETS WEST 
LOOPFEST"..... isn't SUANO INAMI performing out near san fran tonite?.....the 
mo-fx is freakin me out, im just makin some noise into the mic and have the 
delay on loop or really close to loop and after a few min. the loop seems to 
degrade/evolve into something else and if you reach over and then tweek the 
speed knob you can create some wacky things (you can either wipe out the loop 
or integrate some wild "artifacts" into it).....fantastic!.....but keep in 
mind, i am simple.....:).....hope to see some of you on the funway this 
weekend and i will keep an eye on the young MR WALKER, make sure he behaves 
himself.....michael

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im sorry my stuff prints weird, i dont know whats up with that,
i will investigate.....sorry again.....michael

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now it was ok.....ahhhhhhh.....sorry

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Hi everyone-

This is a quick reminder that Whoolilicious and Armatronix will be
playing this Saturday night, October 12th at Sweet Springs Saloon in Los
Osos, California.

I'm really excited about this gig; John Whooley does some really sick
drum & bass stylings using only his voice, a microphone, and a couple of
loopers and effects pedals.  It's a real treat to be hosting him - he
blew me away when I caught his act in Santa Cruz.  He'll be playing at
the Knitting Factory's Alterknit Lounge in L.A. tonight (Friday, Oct
11th).

Armatronix will kick off Saturday night's show starting at 9:30 p.m.

Hope to see you there,

-Hans

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>im sorry my stuff prints weird, i dont know whats up with that,
>i will investigate.....sorry again.....michael

I think you just need to turn off html in your email program. Someone 
else can prob. tell you how to do it.

Good luck.

Jeff

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test

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I think it's too late. Have some more instead; maybe you'll pass out.

----- Original Message -----
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> Cool it with the bonghits.
>
> On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 02:45  AM, MIKO wrote:
>
> > WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SPREE? I USED TO LOVE TO SUCK ON THOSE BUT THEY’D
> > GET GRAINY AND HURT MY TONGUE. MENTOS ARE SO MUCH MINTIER.
> >
> >
> >
> > THERE’S MINT IN MY SHAMPOO. I THINK.
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT’S THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT THE STUDY OF BUBBLES?
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT THIS MESSAGE I’M GETTING ABOUT BONDS? SOMETHING ABOUT HITTING A
> > HOMERUN IF I COULD JUST STUDY THE BONDS TECHNIQUE.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’D SENT THE BALL WAY OUT PAST LEFT FIELD LIKE AN ELECTRON FREED FROM
> > IT’S ENDLESS LOOP…
> >
> >
> >
> > ICOULD DO IT IF I HUMMED “WE ARE LIVING IN A MATIERIAL WORLD AND I’M
> > AM A MATIERIAL… UH…. BOY….”
> >
> >
> >
> > HATE THOSE SONGS WHERE GENDER MATTERS. I’M BLAMING THE LUTEINIZING
> > HORMONE FOR ALL BAD LYRICS.
> >
>

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What is the recommended software for PC or Mac for exchanging loops with my
EDP?

-- Matt

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the holliday song
Start record
loop1: Unsubscribe, 7 playa days with my babe, acc guitar.
Loop2: 7 days playa, playing, composing days with my acc guit,edp,mini disk,
music paper Subscribe
End Record

Mute (unsubchribe)

Claude


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UH- THAT WAS NOT ABOUT SEX.  IT WAS ACTUALLY A JOKE ABOUT ORGANIC CHEMISTRY.
OK.  ENOUGH OF A HINT FOR NOW?

DAMN THOSE BONG-POULTICE BRAINS.  LOL.  THE HERBAL REMEDY IS NOT WORKING I
SEE.

-----Original Message-----
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I think it's too late. Have some more instead; maybe you'll pass out.

----- Original Message -----
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MAKER- AND ENDLESS LOOPING ELECTRONS- WHAT A WASTE? OR NOT?


> Cool it with the bonghits.
>
> On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 02:45  AM, MIKO wrote:
>
> > WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SPREE? I USED TO LOVE TO SUCK ON THOSE BUT THEY'D
> > GET GRAINY AND HURT MY TONGUE. MENTOS ARE SO MUCH MINTIER.
> >
> >
> >
> > THERE'S MINT IN MY SHAMPOO. I THINK.
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT'S THIS MESSAGE I'M GETTING ABOUT THE STUDY OF BUBBLES?
> >
> >
> >
> > WHAT THIS MESSAGE I'M GETTING ABOUT BONDS? SOMETHING ABOUT HITTING A
> > HOMERUN IF I COULD JUST STUDY THE BONDS TECHNIQUE.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'D SENT THE BALL WAY OUT PAST LEFT FIELD LIKE AN ELECTRON FREED FROM
> > IT'S ENDLESS LOOP...
> >
> >
> >
> > ICOULD DO IT IF I HUMMED "WE ARE LIVING IN A MATIERIAL WORLD AND I'M
> > AM A MATIERIAL... UH.... BOY...."
> >
> >
> >
> > HATE THOSE SONGS WHERE GENDER MATTERS. I'M BLAMING THE LUTEINIZING
> > HORMONE FOR ALL BAD LYRICS.
> >
>

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  Oops, this is probably obvious, but I overlooked mentioning it last
night.  You also might want to keep your blank loop as close in length to
your .wav file as you can, to preserve the sound quality regarding time
stretching and the file length the Repeater is expecting to see.  I'll try
this this weekend and write with my results, K?   Have an awesome day!...  

Smiles,

CQ

 At 02:17 AM 10/11/02 -0600, you wrote:
>  You might be able to create a blank loop with the appropriate tracks
>selected, and then simply swap the blank .wav file(s) with the audio you'd
>like to save to the card.   -preserving the naming structure of course...
>-Hope  this helps...  
>
>Smiles,
>
>CQ
>
>At 11:58 PM 10/10/02 EDT, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Unless I'm mistaken, the only way one can load audio into the Repeater is
by 
>>recording it, right?  There's no way to say copy in wav files on the CFC is 
>>there?  (because the other proprietary files for a new loop would be non 
>>existant).
>>
>>I'm looking to load in some audio from Pro Tools.  I guess I'll just have
to 
>>connect the Digi interfaces to the Repeater and hit record?  Maybe with
MIDI 
>>connected to get the tempo locked?
>>
>>Also... anyone ever locked up two Repeaters?  We've been connecting one's 
>>MIDI out to the others MIDI in... but so far.. nothing seems to be
>happening. 
>> 
>>
>>Thanks!
>>--Tom Griesgraber
>>
>>ps - gig spam... I'm doing a short series of gigs/clinics with drummer
Jerry 
>>Marotta.  The Repeater is a mainstay in what I do now, and Jerry's now got 
>>one too.  Definitley territory we're both diving into more (hence the 
>>questions).  We'll be doing some live shows this weekend in Rochester, NY
>and 
>>Cleveland, OH.  Check out www.jerrymarotta.com/news.html for details  (I
>play 
>>Stick in this btw).
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."  
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit The Guitar Cafe.  
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe 
>
>
>


---

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-Then, anything is possible..."  

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I'm not so sure the fish(ing) analogy fits well enough here.  

Give a person working examples of programming, and they both have
something that they can use for that moment (eat the fish), and they
have a (working) reference to study and modify to their unique needs
(learn to catch fish yourself). If they screw up in their personal
attempts, they can still go back to the working reference to try to
debug their own (non working) attempt, and teach themselves to 'fish'
like the master who gave them the working example.

Unlike eating a fish, using a someone elses program (or patch) does not
preclude the possibility to use it again and again, and change it when
you are ready to learn to program, and return to the first fish if you
can't catch your own. 
The utility of fish once used is gone, programs endure and work again
and again.
bret

--- Stuart Wyatt  wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 09:18 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> 
> > Well, let's agree to disagree.  I really think we're talking about
> a 
> > "Give a man a fish/ Teach a man to fish..." deal.
> 
> :) I'm not saying that your idea is wrong either.... Its just to give
> 
> the looper a choice....
> --
> Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com
> 


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I recorded one repeater make large bursts of noise in a recording
session.  It occured several times, and at one point was recording into
the repeaters loop.  It seemed to be triggered by new activity on the
midi buss at the time, reviewing what was going at the time.
bret
--- Mark Sottilaro  wrote:
> Are you sure it was the Repeater that made the loud static noise?  I 
> had that exact problem... but with the EDP.  I had to send it away
> for 
> repair at it became unusable.
> 
> Mark Sottilaro
> 
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:42  PM, Louie Angulo wrote:
> 
> > I also had a strange problem with the repeater,they
> > are by the way the new os1.1 versions;
> > The first one i got just plain stop working after 4
> > days out of the box as i was changing  midi cables.I
> > then got a new one and a few days later as i was
> > playing, it made a very lound horrible static noise.It
> > semms to have affected the EDP as well since it was
> > showing some sort of reset countdown in the screen.I
> > turned everything off and on again and it¥s been
> > healthy ever since.I haven¥t tried the repeater live
> > yet but i¥d hate to go through that!
> > Anyone else with similar cases?
> > cu
> > Louie
> >
> > =====
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
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> >
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Wow that sounds great.  7 days.  Oh god I wish.  It would inspire me also.

-----Original Message-----
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the holliday song
Start record
loop1: Unsubscribe, 7 playa days with my babe, acc guitar.
Loop2: 7 days playa, playing, composing days with my acc guit,edp,mini disk,
music paper Subscribe
End Record

Mute (unsubchribe)

Claude


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Ouch, that scares me.  Please let you not mean what I think.

-----Original Message-----
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  Oops, this is probably obvious, but I overlooked mentioning it last
night.  You also might want to keep your blank loop as close in length to
your .wav file as you can, to preserve the sound quality regarding time
stretching and the file length the Repeater is expecting to see.  I'll try
this this weekend and write with my results, K?   Have an awesome day!...

Smiles,

CQ

 At 02:17 AM 10/11/02 -0600, you wrote:
>  You might be able to create a blank loop with the appropriate tracks
>selected, and then simply swap the blank .wav file(s) with the audio you'd
>like to save to the card.   -preserving the naming structure of course...
>-Hope  this helps...
>
>Smiles,
>
>CQ
>
>At 11:58 PM 10/10/02 EDT, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Unless I'm mistaken, the only way one can load audio into the Repeater is
by
>>recording it, right?  There's no way to say copy in wav files on the CFC
is
>>there?  (because the other proprietary files for a new loop would be non
>>existant).
>>
>>I'm looking to load in some audio from Pro Tools.  I guess I'll just have
to
>>connect the Digi interfaces to the Repeater and hit record?  Maybe with
MIDI
>>connected to get the tempo locked?
>>
>>Also... anyone ever locked up two Repeaters?  We've been connecting one's
>>MIDI out to the others MIDI in... but so far.. nothing seems to be
>happening.
>>
>>
>>Thanks!
>>--Tom Griesgraber
>>
>>ps - gig spam... I'm doing a short series of gigs/clinics with drummer
Jerry
>>Marotta.  The Repeater is a mainstay in what I do now, and Jerry's now got
>>one too.  Definitley territory we're both diving into more (hence the
>>questions).  We'll be doing some live shows this weekend in Rochester, NY
>and
>>Cleveland, OH.  Check out www.jerrymarotta.com/news.html for details  (I
>play
>>Stick in this btw).
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>---
>
>  "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother.
>-Then, anything is possible..."
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates
>
>Please visit The Guitar Cafe.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe
>
>
>


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Just wanted to weigh in here on this.  I recently purchased the FCB to 
control my Repeater.  Now first let me say that I consider myself a 
midiot, some strange sort of block exists in my mind when trying to get 
my head around midi control (other than program changes).  I was sorely 
tempted to throw out a plea to the kind members of this list to send me 
a sysex file so I could just get in and start using the pedal.  However, 
I did want to give myself a chance to figure it out first so I read the 
manual in fits and starts over a couple of days and THEN sat down and 
tried to program the pedal.  The end result, perfection, this pedal is 
incredibly easy to program (if a tad tedious) imo.  It really made 
perfect sense to me once I relaxed and took it very slowly.  

Would I still like a sysex file, maybe.  I'm sure there are all sorts of 
tricks I haven't thought of yet that would be very nice to have, but as 
far as basic operation, I don't need it anymore.  This isn't really a 
condemnation of those who just want to plug in and go or those who want 
to oblige, I just know that for myself, I feel much better having 
figured this out for myself, and having figured out that its not nearly 
as bad as I was afraid it was going to be to program it.  And now I'm 
also far more likely to try and figure out even more uses for the midi 
gear in my rack since I am not as apprehensive about it any longer.

Kevin
(no longer quite as much of a midiot as he once was)

-- 
Wonderful!  Wonderful!
The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
If you try to hear it with your ears
You'll hardly understand
Only when you hear it in your eyes 
Will you be able to know.
	- Dongshan Liangjie





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This is *exactly* what I've been trying to say.  It's not a picnic, but
programming the FCB1010 isn't impossible either.  You're a better person
now because of it.  I bet if I sent you a sysex of how I set up my FCB1010
you'd probably be like, "why the hell is it like this...?"  Now you're in
control.  You're calling the shots.  YOU ARE DRUNK WITH POWER!

Mark Sottilaro

Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

> Just wanted to weigh in here on this.  I recently purchased the FCB to
> control my Repeater.  Now first let me say that I consider myself a
> midiot, some strange sort of block exists in my mind when trying to get
> my head around midi control (other than program changes).  I was sorely
> tempted to throw out a plea to the kind members of this list to send me
> a sysex file so I could just get in and start using the pedal.  However,
> I did want to give myself a chance to figure it out first so I read the
> manual in fits and starts over a couple of days and THEN sat down and
> tried to program the pedal.  The end result, perfection, this pedal is
> incredibly easy to program (if a tad tedious) imo.  It really made
> perfect sense to me once I relaxed and took it very slowly.
>
> Would I still like a sysex file, maybe.  I'm sure there are all sorts of
> tricks I haven't thought of yet that would be very nice to have, but as
> far as basic operation, I don't need it anymore.  This isn't really a
> condemnation of those who just want to plug in and go or those who want
> to oblige, I just know that for myself, I feel much better having
> figured this out for myself, and having figured out that its not nearly
> as bad as I was afraid it was going to be to program it.  And now I'm
> also far more likely to try and figure out even more uses for the midi
> gear in my rack since I am not as apprehensive about it any longer.
>
> Kevin
> (no longer quite as much of a midiot as he once was)
>
> --
> Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> If you try to hear it with your ears
> You'll hardly understand
> Only when you hear it in your eyes
> Will you be able to know.
>         - Dongshan Liangjie

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Oh believe me, I never said the Repeater is infallable.  Electrix has left
a bunch of known bugs unfixed.  Still all in all, it's my favorite looper.

Mark

Bret wrote:

> I recorded one repeater make large bursts of noise in a recording
> session.  It occured several times, and at one point was recording into
> the repeaters loop.  It seemed to be triggered by new activity on the
> midi buss at the time, reviewing what was going at the time.
> bret
> --- Mark Sottilaro  wrote:
> > Are you sure it was the Repeater that made the loud static noise?  I
> > had that exact problem... but with the EDP.  I had to send it away
> > for
> > repair at it became unusable.
> >
> > Mark Sottilaro
> >
> > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 11:42  PM, Louie Angulo wrote:
> >
> > > I also had a strange problem with the repeater,they
> > > are by the way the new os1.1 versions;
> > > The first one i got just plain stop working after 4
> > > days out of the box as i was changing  midi cables.I
> > > then got a new one and a few days later as i was
> > > playing, it made a very lound horrible static noise.It
> > > semms to have affected the EDP as well since it was
> > > showing some sort of reset countdown in the screen.I
> > > turned everything off and on again and it¥s been
> > > healthy ever since.I haven¥t tried the repeater live
> > > yet but i¥d hate to go through that!
> > > Anyone else with similar cases?
> > > cu
> > > Louie
> > >
> > > =====
> > >
> > >
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So my Echoplex foot controller has been on back order from
musiciansfriend.com for over a week now and I'm having great difficulty
finding alternate sources for the item. Can anyone here suggest another
supplier? Is it possible to order direct from Gibson?

-- Matt

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>So my Echoplex foot controller has been on back order from
>musiciansfriend.com for over a week now and I'm having great difficulty
>finding alternate sources for the item. Can anyone here suggest another
>supplier?

I'd recommend Sweetwater in Ft. Wayne, IN. Try sweetwater.com or give 
them a call at 1-800-222-4700. I don't work for them or anything, but 
I've had wonderful service and expert pre-sales assistance. My "sales 
engineer" (I get a kick out of the title, actually) spent over an 
hour with me on the phone talking about all kinds of stuff--and I 
didn't buy anything...this was all *pre* sales, as I said. Try 
getting that kind of service from other suppliers. You might even ask 
for Greg Baum. Great guy...

Good luck.

Jeff

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Matt,

In a message dated 10/11/02 4:04:09 PM, nicholson_matt@msn.com writes:

> . . . has been on back order from musiciansfriend.com for over a week

I worked for 'em for 4 years and I used to have things on "back order" 
for up to 5 months at a time. Their general lack of integrity as a company 
was one of the many reasons I left 15 month ago. I'm in advertising and I
felt that they should've at least live up to their name for gosh sakes (if 
not 
their other outrageous claims). Since GC bought them out things have only 
gotten worse. After a while I was ashamed to admit to most folks I ever 
even worked there. Oh well . . . live and learn. In my book Sweetwater or 
Zzounds are both better ways to go. The "Friend" should be respelled 
"Fiend" as far as I'm concerned. And their catalog is damn ugly too!

Hi de ho,

TK

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Well said!

Paul
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> I'm not so sure the fish(ing) analogy fits well enough here.  
> 
> Give a person working examples of programming, and they both have
> something that they can use for that moment (eat the fish), and they
> have a (working) reference to study and modify to their unique needs
> (learn to catch fish yourself). If they screw up in their personal
> attempts, they can still go back to the working reference to try to
> debug their own (non working) attempt, and teach themselves to 'fish'
> like the master who gave them the working example.
> 
> Unlike eating a fish, using a someone elses program (or patch) does not
> preclude the possibility to use it again and again, and change it when
> you are ready to learn to program, and return to the first fish if you
> can't catch your own. 
> The utility of fish once used is gone, programs endure and work again
> and again.
> bret
> 
> --- Stuart Wyatt  wrote:
> > 
> > On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 09:18 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, let's agree to disagree.  I really think we're talking about
> > a 
> > > "Give a man a fish/ Teach a man to fish..." deal.
> > 
> > :) I'm not saying that your idea is wrong either.... Its just to give
> > 
> > the looper a choice....
> > --
> > Stuart Wyatt : The Solo String Project : http://solostring.com
> > 
> 
> 
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WHY?




WHY?



must be because he's excited about going to see l.d.ers Michael Klobuchar
and Sunao Inami
and moi at the EAST meets WEST LOOPING FESTIVAL on sunday evening.


I'M SHOUTING................WHY....................I DON'T KNOW WHY.


rick (aka loop.fool)
'the lil' whispering translucent dayglo green plastic sensai'



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Rick wrote about Amy:

>... she controlled the record/truncate loop/overdub and on/off 
>functions of the EDP from her pads.

she uses the Next functionality to save her several parts.

>  This allowed her to have very dramatic changes of section in her 
>songs.  This allowed her to trascend another trend that I have 
>noticed in looping festivals:  most people just use an 'A' section 
>for their 'songs'
>onstage.
>Amy X would use two and even three different sections to very dramatic
>effect in her songs.

to tease I would say: only if you dont use FeedBack ;-)
my pieces have A, B, C... parts and sometimes its hard to count how 
far it goes...

But I am seriously interested in this trends for structuring.

First off: I only saw a demo of Amy and have one piece of here here, 
but I was deeply impressed by the way she works, really worth a 
listen for all of us!

I wonder where the so typical forms ABACA and such come from and 
whether they are needed for the understanding of the public or maybe 
are overcome tradition?

One root may be the very old form of the singer counting a story (A 
part) and then the public singing the refrain together (B part)
Another root may be the dance forms of the middle ages, with man on 
one, woman on the other side and then meet each other and so on, so 
there are foreward, backwards, turn arround... parts.
Another reason could be the necessity to remember a song easily...
Then again, such forms are also rules in classical music played from 
scores anyway and to complex for the public - why?

It seems that in electronic music, there is less of this structring, 
or its rather done by switching instruments in and out, so we 
probably would not call those A and B parts?

Why is it that a piece has to end with the theme it started with??
-- 


          ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org

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alto music has them in stock-$99.99
Call 845 692 6922 or email sales@altomusic.com
They can ship Monday..............

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I seem to dimly remember a gentleman was planning a Boston weekend of
looping and stuffffff.

Whatever happened to that?

David



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This is the post
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200209/msg00334.html

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I seem to dimly remember a gentleman was planning a Boston weekend of
looping and stuffffff.

Whatever happened to that?

David



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  -Ah Mark, thank you muchly!   

Smiles,

CQ

At 09:00 AM 10/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
>http://www.electrixpro.com/support/softwareupdates.html
>
>On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 01:06  AM, Goddess wrote:
>
>>   This is a bit off-topic, but is there a copy of the 1.1 OS on the 
>> web?,
>> -I'd like to have an archive just in case...
>
>


---

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Or you could always try building one:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#custom

Little-titty doorbell buttons work pretty well for the switches.

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--- dirt  wrote:
> 
> Little-titty doorbell buttons work pretty well for
> the switches.


Trust me on this.

Women hate it when you treat their knockers like
doorbells.

:)

John 


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The weekend for the Boston Loopfest is November 23rd-24th and it will be 
held at the Zietgiest Gallery in Cambridge, MA.  We are working on 
lineup right now and will post more information as it becomes available.

Regards
Jeff Lomas

David wrote:

>I seem to dimly remember a gentleman was planning a Boston weekend of
>looping and stuffffff.
>
>Whatever happened to that?
>
>David
>
>
>
>
>


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am 10.10.2002 20:34 Uhr schrieb Jonathan El-Bizri unter
ssrndpty@hotmail.com:

> 
> Group buy anyone?
> 
> bIz
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carsten Wegener" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:04 AM
> Subject: Re: piezo film transducers
> 
> 
>> am 04.10.2002 22:14 Uhr schrieb Alex Stahl unter alex@pixar.com:
>> 
>>> You can get smaller quantities from Digikey. www.digikey.com
>>> 
>>>> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors.  I suspect that these may
>>>> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups.
>>>> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order.  That's the same price
>>>> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT
>>>> of pickups.  They make great gifts.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> -Hans
>>> 
>> What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or
> something
>> different? What about the sound and the sensetivity?
>> Thanks carsten
>> 
> 
I´d be interested in groupbuy, but i live in germany(which should be no
problem). Plus I still couldn´t find out, which one or if there´s a piezo
for my purposes (acoustic instruments like double bass and arabian lute).But
anyway i want to check this out.
Carsten

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ng,

>Thanks dt!
yer welcome!

>just the kind of feedback I was looking for...
>I just needed a little whack from the Zen master...
that definitely isn't me, as i a) don't practice Zen Buddhism, and b) am 
master of nothing.....
best,
dt / splattercell

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In your email program, there is probably a way to set up an email 
filter.  I did one at work that filtered out any emails with the word 
"miko" and everything got a lot quieter.  Your post made me realize I 
have to set one up here.  Trust me, it's a lot better this way.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:06  PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:

> WHY?
>
>
>
>
> WHY?
>
>
>
> must be because he's excited about going to see l.d.ers Michael 
> Klobuchar
> and Sunao Inami
> and moi at the EAST meets WEST LOOPING FESTIVAL on sunday evening.
>
>
> I'M SHOUTING................WHY....................I DON'T KNOW WHY.
>
>
> rick (aka loop.fool)
> 'the lil' whispering translucent dayglo green plastic sensai'
>
>
>

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To all who offered help, I say THANK YOU.  You kids are an amazing 
resource of knowledge.  Last night I had success.... I think.  It seems 
OK.  I'm going to paste the letter I sent to Roland Customer support 
that's got the details if anyone is interested:

I just want to thank you for those files... they didn't work either.  
However, I was able to finally open them as MIDI files.  The key was 
telling Suffit NOT to assume they were text files upon decompression.  
And you have to do it with an older version of stuffit, as newer ones 
no longer give you that option.  If customers have this problem in the 
future tell them that Stuffit 5 has a control panel in it's preferences 
that says, "Cross Platform"  Make sure, "Open as text..." is checked 
NEVER.  Anyway, I was then able to open your files, but I'd start 
loading one and after one file was done the 307 would just start 
blinking "SYS" R, 3, 4 and 7.

A link sent to me by someone on the yahoo 307 group pointed me to an 
official Roland page that had the download.  (on the Roland Groove 
site) I tried the mac version, and that did not work either.  For 
giggles, I downloaded the PC version and it began to work!  What's up 
with those Mac files?  I DON'T KNOW.  So I get through all the Program 
files, and press 5 then 7 to get the display to switch to DAT and it 
won't happen.  No key sequence seemed to do anything.  Hrrm.  I 
rebooted and pressed 5 and 7, getting the DAT display.  I loaded one 
file and it started with the blinking again.  I gave up.  I figured it 
was off to Roland service for a while.  For some reason, I wanted to 
see if something I put in it stuck, so I tried booting her up... it 
worked!  There was good 'ol psy trance: the most annoying sequence 
ever!  I did a reset, and everything seems fine!  What are those data 
files?  Weird.  Funny thing is a emailed people who said they got it to 
work right off, but no one using a Mac.  I wonder if there's issues 
with the mac files you have and you don't know it.  I still can't help 
wondering about the loading of a .mid causing it to start blinking at 
the end of the file...and all the .dat files that didn't load... who 
knows?  Maybe I'll have it melt down later today and this will all be 
moot.

Thanks for your help,

Mark Sottilaro

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Yeah, the Musician's Friend company pretty much sucks ass.  I've had 
numerous issues with them and avoid them like the plague.  The only 
thing there's sometimes good for is getting a local retailer to match 
or beat their usually not all that great price.  Talking to their 
people on the phone is like talking to my cat.  They seem interested, 
but nothing really happens.

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:00  PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:

> Matt,
>
> In a message dated 10/11/02 4:04:09 PM, nicholson_matt@msn.com writes:
>
>> . . . has been on back order from musiciansfriend.com for over a week
>
> I worked for 'em for 4 years and I used to have things on "back order"
> for up to 5 months at a time. Their general lack of integrity as a 
> company
> was one of the many reasons I left 15 month ago. I'm in advertising 
> and I
> felt that they should've at least live up to their name for gosh sakes 
> (if
> not
> their other outrageous claims). Since GC bought them out things have 
> only
> gotten worse. After a while I was ashamed to admit to most folks I ever
> even worked there. Oh well . . . live and learn. In my book Sweetwater 
> or
> Zzounds are both better ways to go. The "Friend" should be respelled
> "Fiend" as far as I'm concerned. And their catalog is damn ugly too!
>
> Hi de ho,
>
> TK
>

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During my JamMan days, I was more about making 3 or 4 parts and 
toggling between them.  I did it in an improvisational style, so I'm 
not sure if I was every true to the ABACA form, but I bet I was.  
Raised in the Lennon/McCartney tradition, it's a wonder if I'll ever 
escape that!

Upon switching to the Repeater, I find myself doing that a lot less.  
Like Matthias, I find the more liquid free form musical morph (gotta 
bring that buzzword back!) to be more interesting.  At least to play.  
While I LOVE the things Amy X and Brian Kenny Fresno do with their 
loopers (Brian's a JamMan guy) I always get the feeling that they're 
just trying to get away with not having to deal with not having a band, 
you know?  Amy seems to have her act down to the note.  Sure, the 
looper helps her do her show more easily, but is that what loopers are 
about?  Not for me, I think.  I still am toying with the idea of 
returning to my "pop" roots and seeing how the Repeater could fit into 
doing a live performance.  To me it seems to be the difference between 
making soup from a receipe or going to a market, buying what seems good 
and then making it up from scratch.  Sure, you'll come up with stuff 
that's not so edible sometimes, but you learn with time.  Maybe this 
not so interesting for the audience, but it's a hell of a lot more 
interesting to me as a musician, and to be honest, with the money I 
made doing more pop structured music, I'm in this for fun now.  
(weirdly, I seem to make more money with my music now...)

Mark Sottilaro

On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:31  PM, Matthias Grob wrote:
>
> But I am seriously interested in this trends for structuring.
>
> First off: I only saw a demo of Amy and have one piece of here here, 
> but I was deeply impressed by the way she works, really worth a listen 
> for all of us!
>
> I wonder where the so typical forms ABACA and such come from and 
> whether they are needed for the understanding of the public or maybe 
> are overcome tradition?

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  and more!!! now how much would you pay?
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>  >... Its big toe additionally activates
>>  the Overdub button (built into the volume pedal) which is a little
>>  trickyer, especially when I do Record-Overdub (which turns the
>>  Overdub press into a time defining one).
>  > --
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>cool, do you have the switch attached to the moving part of the volume pedal?
>how do you avoid accidentally activating overdub?

It sits at the front left corner of the moving part. So just move the 
foot a little to the right and you dont touch the switch.
Since I play bare foot, I can feel the switch.
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>Group buy anyone?

I take some!

>
>bIz
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carsten Wegener" 
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:04 AM
>Subject: Re: piezo film transducers
>
>
>>  am 04.10.2002 22:14 Uhr schrieb Alex Stahl unter alex@pixar.com:
>>
>>  > You can get smaller quantities from Digikey. www.digikey.com
>>  >
>>  >> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors.  I suspect that these may
>>  >> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups.
>>  >> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order.  That's the same price
>>  >> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT
>>  >> of pickups.  They make great gifts.
>>  >>
>>  >> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> Cheers,
>>  >>
>>  >> -Hans
>>  >
>>  What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or
>something
>>  different? What about the sound and the sensetivity?
>>  Thanks carsten
>>


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>Is there way to keep the volume from increasing as the loop gets larger with
>Loop IV?
>
>After I've put 4 percussion parts, acoustic rhythm, bass and synth textures
>my vocal and lead guitar balance gets thrown out of whack in the main mix as
>the loop is too loud.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Arthur Lee
>www.arthurleemusic.com

sounds trivial, but the MIX influences the volume you are playing at.
If its a little less than 12h, the next Overdub is a little softer 
than you played it, which animates you to play the next a little 
louder even, so the loop grows in total volume.
If its a little more than 12h, especially if FB is not quite full, 
you tend to play softer and softer each time arround...
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here's one, if you like "the ebay":

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=912690870

and no, it's not mine.

-jim

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here's one, if you like "the ebay":

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=912690870

and no, it's not mine.

-jim

--0-681689136-1034454956=:19755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 16:38:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28967; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:37:39 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Alternate places to find EDP foot controller? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003701c2722f$352fce30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20021012092622.1267.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com really? i suppose stepping on them is bad, too... > --- dirt wrote: > > > > Little-titty doorbell buttons work pretty well for > > the switches. > > > Trust me on this. > > Women hate it when you treat their knockers like > doorbells. > > :) > > John > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 16:40:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29141; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:39:42 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: One More question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004101c2722f$7e6d0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <38.2f955215.2ad9a6db@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <13E_c.A.-GH.PiIq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com master of nothing, eh? pretty zen sounding... you must be the zen master... follow the way of the shoe! > ng, > > >Thanks dt! > yer welcome! > > >just the kind of feedback I was looking for... > >I just needed a little whack from the Zen master... > that definitely isn't me, as i a) don't practice Zen Buddhism, and b) am > master of nothing..... > best, > dt / splattercell > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 17:02:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31233; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:01:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:01:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:00:27 +0200 Subject: Re: only a A part? From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38FB0248-DE0E-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA31208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 12.10.2002 20:12 Uhr schrieb Mark Sottilaro unter sine@zerocrossing.net: > During my JamMan days, I was more about making 3 or 4 parts and > toggling between them. I did it in an improvisational style, so I'm > not sure if I was every true to the ABACA form, but I bet I was. > Raised in the Lennon/McCartney tradition, it's a wonder if I'll ever > escape that! > > Upon switching to the Repeater, I find myself doing that a lot less. > Like Matthias, I find the more liquid free form musical morph (gotta > bring that buzzword back!) to be more interesting. At least to play. > While I LOVE the things Amy X and Brian Kenny Fresno do with their > loopers (Brian's a JamMan guy) I always get the feeling that they're > just trying to get away with not having to deal with not having a band, > you know? Amy seems to have her act down to the note. Sure, the > looper helps her do her show more easily, but is that what loopers are > about? Not for me, I think. I still am toying with the idea of > returning to my "pop" roots and seeing how the Repeater could fit into > doing a live performance. To me it seems to be the difference between > making soup from a receipe or going to a market, buying what seems good > and then making it up from scratch. Sure, you'll come up with stuff > that's not so edible sometimes, but you learn with time. Maybe this > not so interesting for the audience, but it's a hell of a lot more > interesting to me as a musician, and to be honest, with the money I > made doing more pop structured music, I'm in this for fun now. > (weirdly, I seem to make more money with my music now...) > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:31 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >> But I am seriously interested in this trends for structuring. >> >> First off: I only saw a demo of Amy and have one piece of here here, >> but I was deeply impressed by the way she works, really worth a listen >> for all of us! >> >> I wonder where the so typical forms ABACA and such come from and >> whether they are needed for the understanding of the public or maybe >> are overcome tradition? > Sorry Mark, But I didn´t get the point behind your soupthing. Though i feel there´s something really essential you are saying. Could you give me another chance getting a look into your looposophy? I´m as well Beatles/Pop-based, though in the last 20 years I came over lots of other styles and ideologies. Now my main base seems to be folkloristic music from the middle-east, balkanies, Cajun, Klezmer and some more. But I always come back to my deep fascination for looping. My vision for a long time was and still is to find the similarities and connections between music-styles traditions, ideologies after learning about the differences. This can only happen, if you manage to find the essence, the deep end of something(like pop or folk or looping). Looping to me means intuitivity, a great toy to play with myself and other musicians, a tool to check out (combinations of) sounds, a tool that is leading everytime deeper into my own musical world. It is not so much a substitute for an accompanying band, i prefer real musicians for that. So what about your soup? Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 17:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32714; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:29:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:29:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: WHY DOES MIKO SHOUT SO MUCH Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:28:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <39A354CE-DE0A-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good for you Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHY DOES MIKO SHOUT SO MUCH In your email program, there is probably a way to set up an email filter. I did one at work that filtered out any emails with the word "miko" and everything got a lot quieter. Your post made me realize I have to set one up here. Trust me, it's a lot better this way. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:06 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > WHY? > > > > > WHY? > > > > must be because he's excited about going to see l.d.ers Michael > Klobuchar > and Sunao Inami > and moi at the EAST meets WEST LOOPING FESTIVAL on sunday evening. > > > I'M SHOUTING................WHY....................I DON'T KNOW WHY. > > > rick (aka loop.fool) > 'the lil' whispering translucent dayglo green plastic sensai' > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 17:33:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00329; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: WHY DOES MIKO SHOUT SO MUCH Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:29:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <39A354CE-DE0A-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8oC0OD.A.i-H.-QJq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PS: I love you anyway. I've loved your posts. Good sense of humor. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHY DOES MIKO SHOUT SO MUCH In your email program, there is probably a way to set up an email filter. I did one at work that filtered out any emails with the word "miko" and everything got a lot quieter. Your post made me realize I have to set one up here. Trust me, it's a lot better this way. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:06 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > WHY? > > > > > WHY? > > > > must be because he's excited about going to see l.d.ers Michael > Klobuchar > and Sunao Inami > and moi at the EAST meets WEST LOOPING FESTIVAL on sunday evening. > > > I'M SHOUTING................WHY....................I DON'T KNOW WHY. > > > rick (aka loop.fool) > 'the lil' whispering translucent dayglo green plastic sensai' > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 17:34:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00745; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:31:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:31:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8c.1fbf2cc5.2ad9ee92@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:30:58 EDT Subject: Re: only a A part? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <17pwPB.A.BJ.WSJq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, Just thought I'd pop in with my own $.02 about musical forms as it relates to looping (for me). Any of you who might have been unlucky enough to have ever heard any of my stuff will no doubt have noticed the distinct lack of ABA, ABACAB or any other "forms" in what I do. There may be a beginning and a middle and an end . . . but nothing really quite like a song form there. True, mostly it's because I'm a musical ignoramus, but not entirely. I don't come at music from a "musical" background to begin with (I'm a painter/designer/visual artist by training/temperment/profession). So, you'll just have to excuse my lack of "formal" acumen where music is concerned. Although I was a little more than just somewhat aware of song structures as I went about making looping music for the past umpity-ump years, the analogy I always had in my head was one of either painting or juggling -- not making "pop" songs (or any other kind of "songs" for that matter). In painting there are forms and a set of aesthetic principals (maybe) at work, but none were obviously, directly analogous to musical forms as such (or so it seemed to me for a long time at least). I was/am a big fan of the American abstract expressionist painters of mid-century so I expect that might explain why. Think Jackson Pollock, Mark Rothko, Willem De Kooning, Franz Kline, Robert Motherwell or Helen Frankenthaler and you'll sortta have the idea. On the other hand (to me), looping seemed/seems a lot like the art of juggling. In juggling, you toss a series of objects in the air and attempt to keep 'em going. If you're really good you can juggle several items and do things like add and/or subtract objects of different shapes, sizes textures and colors to the juggling "loop" to make it interesting, challenging, entertaining, beautiful. The delay loop is like gravity -- where stuff you toss up keeps falling back at you (even your musical "clams"). The challenge for me is to keep it going and make it interesting (even if there is one object -- like a red apple --that is always there in the loop from the beginning to the end of the piece. It sorta gives the goings on a certain "continuity" and wholeness. But, maybe I'm just lazy . . . I love certain kinds of "pop" music. But I guess I never really thought there was any good enough reason for me to try to do that. So many others were already doing it so well anyway. Why bother? What could I possibly add to THAT cultural conversation? Not much, if anything. I listen to a lot of non-western musics and to jazz in which there is a musical statement (the head) and various extemporizations of it over time -- then, finally, a return to the simple beginning statement. In some ways this seems like an ABA structure but in another way it seems like AA'A"A'''A''''A form, or some such (to ignorant ol' me). I know this is kind of weird. But that's sorta where my brain was when I started doing all of this looping schtuff -- and it has been there ever since. I know that looping gear has advanced a long way in the last 20 years. I may actually create "A" "B" and "C" loops in my EDP as I'm going along now . . . but stupid me is still thinking of those not as ABABABCABABA but still as AA'A''A''' etc. It's a mental flaw and limitation I suppose -- like the one that prevents me from singing and playing at the same time (I can't do that either). Oh well. So sue me . . . My hat is off to those folks who CAN actually think in this way and rehearse and study their looping gear 'til they've got it so licked that it finally can enable them to craft perfect pop song structures like nobody's business (solo or in a band) in the heat of the moment. I can't do that -- just like I can't sing and play (or dance for that matter). That craft is an amazement to me . . . and beyond my kenning or ability to replicate in this lifetime. Maybe in the next one . . . Best regards, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 17:35:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00949; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:32:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:32:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:32:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: only a A part? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <17D5116A-DE2A-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA00762 Resent-Message-ID: <7z4GvB.A.JM.QTJq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com No, you get it exactly. That's what I'm saying too, for me. What I'm saying about Amy X and Brian Kenny Fresno, is that they compose a set piece with a defined structure. Then, they use a looper to build each part and then play their melody over it. Both do an amazing job (they do very different kinds of music) but the goal is not improv, it's to recreate a pre composed piece. All I was saying is that I don't think recreating a pre composed piece was the way looping will be for me. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 02:00 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: > am 12.10.2002 20:12 Uhr schrieb Mark Sottilaro unter > sine@zerocrossing.net: > >> During my JamMan days, I was more about making 3 or 4 parts and >> toggling between them. I did it in an improvisational style, so I'm >> not sure if I was every true to the ABACA form, but I bet I was. >> Raised in the Lennon/McCartney tradition, it's a wonder if I'll ever >> escape that! >> >> Upon switching to the Repeater, I find myself doing that a lot less. >> Like Matthias, I find the more liquid free form musical morph (gotta >> bring that buzzword back!) to be more interesting. At least to play. >> While I LOVE the things Amy X and Brian Kenny Fresno do with their >> loopers (Brian's a JamMan guy) I always get the feeling that they're >> just trying to get away with not having to deal with not having a >> band, >> you know? Amy seems to have her act down to the note. Sure, the >> looper helps her do her show more easily, but is that what loopers are >> about? Not for me, I think. I still am toying with the idea of >> returning to my "pop" roots and seeing how the Repeater could fit into >> doing a live performance. To me it seems to be the difference between >> making soup from a receipe or going to a market, buying what seems >> good >> and then making it up from scratch. Sure, you'll come up with stuff >> that's not so edible sometimes, but you learn with time. Maybe this >> not so interesting for the audience, but it's a hell of a lot more >> interesting to me as a musician, and to be honest, with the money I >> made doing more pop structured music, I'm in this for fun now. >> (weirdly, I seem to make more money with my music now...) >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:31 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: >>> >>> But I am seriously interested in this trends for structuring. >>> >>> First off: I only saw a demo of Amy and have one piece of here here, >>> but I was deeply impressed by the way she works, really worth a >>> listen >>> for all of us! >>> >>> I wonder where the so typical forms ABACA and such come from and >>> whether they are needed for the understanding of the public or maybe >>> are overcome tradition? >> > Sorry Mark, > But I didn´t get the point behind your soupthing. Though i feel there´s > something really essential you are saying. Could you give me another > chance > getting a look into your looposophy? > I´m as well Beatles/Pop-based, though in the last 20 years I came over > lots > of other styles and ideologies. Now my main base seems to be > folkloristic > music from the middle-east, balkanies, Cajun, Klezmer and some more. > But I > always come back to my deep fascination for looping. My vision for a > long > time was and still is to find the similarities and connections between > music-styles traditions, ideologies after learning about the > differences. > This can only happen, if you manage to find the essence, the deep end > of > something(like pop or folk or looping). > Looping to me means intuitivity, a great toy to play with myself and > other > musicians, a tool to check out (combinations of) sounds, a tool that is > leading everytime deeper into my own musical world. It is not so much a > substitute for an accompanying band, i prefer real musicians for that. > So what about your soup? > Carsten > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 18:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05955; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:38:38 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: only a A part? In-reply-to: <8c.1fbf2cc5.2ad9ee92@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <597D4FA2-DE33-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com BEAUTIFUL EMAIL TED! As beautiful as your music. I've always been terribly impressed with your performances, and your CD, but I'm still in the dark as to why all the self deprecation? I really think you're always much to hard on yourself. Here, of all places, you will not be judged by your ability to pull off a hit pop single. You shouldn't not do pop because others are doing it well. Who fucking cares what others are doing? Fripp and a ton of others are doing what I'm doing a billion times better, but so what? I loop for myself. If I can entertain others from time to time, so be it. I'm finding more and more that IDM (Intelligent Dance Music) audiences LOVE what I'm doing. Maybe my loop technique isn't state of the art, but no one really cares... OK, well we do, but not for music's sake. We're geeks. So I put this out: Structure is for the WEAK! ;^0 Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 02:30 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > > Just thought I'd pop in with my own $.02 about musical > forms as it relates to looping (for me). > > Any of you who might have been unlucky enough to have > ever heard any of my stuff will no doubt have noticed the > distinct lack of ABA, ABACAB or any other "forms" > in what I do. There may be a beginning and a middle > and an end . . . but nothing really quite like a song > form there. > > True, mostly it's because I'm a musical ignoramus, but > not entirely. I don't come at music from a "musical" > background to begin with (I'm a painter/designer/visual > artist by training/temperment/profession). So, you'll just > have to excuse my lack of "formal" acumen where music > is concerned. > > Although I was a little more than just somewhat aware of > song structures as I went about making looping music > for the past umpity-ump years, the analogy I always > had in my head was one of either painting or juggling -- > not making "pop" songs (or any other kind of "songs" > for that matter). > > In painting there are forms and a set of aesthetic > principals (maybe) at work, but none were obviously, > directly analogous to musical forms as such (or so it > seemed to me for a long time at least). I was/am a big > fan of the American abstract expressionist painters > of mid-century so I expect that might explain why. > Think Jackson Pollock, Mark Rothko, Willem De Kooning, > Franz Kline, Robert Motherwell or Helen Frankenthaler > and you'll sortta have the idea. > > On the other hand (to me), looping seemed/seems a lot > like the art of juggling. In juggling, you toss a series of > objects in the air and attempt to keep 'em going. If you're > really good you can juggle several items and do things like > add and/or subtract objects of different shapes, sizes > textures and colors to the juggling "loop" to make it > interesting, challenging, entertaining, beautiful. > > The delay loop is like gravity -- where stuff you toss up > keeps falling back at you (even your musical "clams"). > The challenge for me is to keep it going and make it > interesting (even if there is one object -- like a red > apple --that is always there in the loop from the > beginning to the end of the piece. It sorta gives > the goings on a certain "continuity" and wholeness. > > But, maybe I'm just lazy . . . > > I love certain kinds of "pop" music. But I guess I never > really thought there was any good enough reason for > me to try to do that. So many others were already > doing it so well anyway. Why bother? What could I > possibly add to THAT cultural conversation? Not much, > if anything. > > I listen to a lot of non-western musics and to jazz > in which there is a musical statement (the head) > and various extemporizations of it over time -- then, > finally, a return to the simple beginning statement. > In some ways this seems like an ABA structure but > in another way it seems like AA'A"A'''A''''A form, > or some such (to ignorant ol' me). I know this is > kind of weird. But that's sorta where my brain was > when I started doing all of this looping schtuff -- > and it has been there ever since. > > I know that looping gear has advanced a long way > in the last 20 years. I may actually create "A" > "B" and "C" loops in my EDP as I'm going along > now . . . but stupid me is still thinking of those > not as ABABABCABABA but still as AA'A''A''' etc. > It's a mental flaw and limitation I suppose -- like > the one that prevents me from singing and playing > at the same time (I can't do that either). Oh well. > > So sue me . . . > > My hat is off to those folks who CAN actually think > in this way and rehearse and study their looping gear > 'til they've got it so licked that it finally can enable > them to craft perfect pop song structures like > nobody's business (solo or in a band) in the heat of > the moment. I can't do that -- just like I can't sing and > play (or dance for that matter). That craft is an > amazement to me . . . and beyond my kenning or > ability to replicate in this lifetime. > > Maybe in the next one . . . > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 18:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06497; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:46:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:46:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DA8A561.4720E893@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:42:40 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: only a A part? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_talzC.A.VlB.0YKq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Mark, Ya said: > While I LOVE the things Amy X and Brian Kenny Fresno do with their > loopers (Brian's a JamMan guy) I always get the feeling that they're > just trying to get away with not having to deal with not having a band, > you know? That's not my take on either of those two at all. The only way I could see Amy doing her thing with "a band" would be if her band was half a dozen or more clones of herself, all singing together and starting or stopping on a dime. And that in itself wouldn't take her own post-modernist/sample-based theatrical performative element into consideration (i.e. very visibly beating on her drumKAT controller while different EDP things leap out), which is such a big part of her "thing." > Amy seems to have her act down to the note. Indeed; she's a composer, by her own definition. > Sure, the > looper helps her do her show more easily, See my last comment above - I really don't perceive her thing as being a "replacement" for a hypothetical band of multiple Amy Neubergs (which is what she'd need to play her stuff sans EDP). It strikes me as being a very direct use of the EDP on its own terms, frequently to musical ends that COULDN'T be acheived without it. Another perspective: Amy actually HAS a band of her own, so it's not as if she's using the Echoplex as a means of "filling in" for backing musicians who aren't available. Third perspective: might one say that playing along to sequences and drum machines would be at least as much of a "band substitute" as layering numerous vocal overdubs? > but is that what loopers are > about? Not for me, I think. But for her, apparently so, yes? How incredibly boring would it be if people automatically assumed that looping was supposed to be used for a specific musical style or approach? Oh wait... that's pretty much the way it is anyway! ;) > To me it seems to be the difference between > making soup from a receipe or going to a market, buying what seems good > and then making it up from scratch. > Sure, you'll come up with stuff > that's not so edible sometimes, but you learn with time. Could it be that the "learning with time" angle is another way of describing a person coming up with their own recipie, which they then draw upon in their work? > Maybe this > not so interesting for the audience, but it's a hell of a lot more > interesting to me as a musician, and to be honest, with the money I > made doing more pop structured music, I'm in this for fun now. This does raise the question: why DO you take your music in front of an audience, if getting what you do across to them isn't much of a priority in comparison to your own enjoyment - which you say is paramount in your concerns, and could certainly be done on your own? Hmmmm... All in good humor - but serious interest and intent... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 18:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06553; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:46:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:46:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006801c27241$898487c0$834d4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <597D4FA2-DE33-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: only a A part? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:48:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been listening to Ted's 'Flux Aeterna' CD all day today - got to agree, it's incredible. Truly one of the finest 'little label' CDs I've ever come across, and certainly in my list of fav 'guitar albums', though the guitar part is almost beside the point, it happens to be his brush, but the pictures are far more engaging than some technical thingie might suggest... Remarkable sounds, and mental images, all the right influences (nods to Fripp, Torn, Frisell etc... without ever actually sounding 'like' any of them) - an original voice as a player and a writer. If you've not got Ted's CD already, seriously, it's the dog's 'nads, it rocks, whatever superlative you want to attach to it. Please go and buy it. Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk > BEAUTIFUL EMAIL TED! As beautiful as your music. I've always been > terribly impressed with your performances, and your CD, but I'm still > in the dark as to why all the self deprecation? I really think you're > always much to hard on yourself. Here, of all places, you will not be > judged by your ability to pull off a hit pop single. You shouldn't not > do pop because others are doing it well. Who fucking cares what others > are doing? Fripp and a ton of others are doing what I'm doing a > billion times better, but so what? I loop for myself. If I can > entertain others from time to time, so be it. I'm finding more and > more that IDM (Intelligent Dance Music) audiences LOVE what I'm doing. > Maybe my loop technique isn't state of the art, but no one really > cares... OK, well we do, but not for music's sake. We're geeks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 18:53:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07313; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c27241$e4ebe220$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <38.2f955215.2ad9a6db@aol.com> <004101c2722f$7e6d0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: One More question... Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:48:18 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's Shoes for Industry, eh Jim? > master of nothing, eh? > pretty zen sounding... > you must be the zen master... > follow the way of the shoe! > > > > ng, > > > > >Thanks dt! > > yer welcome! > > > > >just the kind of feedback I was looking for... > > >I just needed a little whack from the Zen master... > > that definitely isn't me, as i a) don't practice Zen Buddhism, and b) am > > master of nothing..... > > best, > > dt / splattercell > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 19:12:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10152; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:11:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:11:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021012231135.41200.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <597D4FA2-DE33-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1401154226-1034464295=:40157" Resent-Message-ID: <36xUTC.A.aeC.owKq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1401154226-1034464295=:40157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm trying to do this thing: in loop mode, play a note and then hit record so the note has no attack...it just appears. i usually let it ring and the loop ends up being about 10 seconds long. invariably i have some significant noise build-up. it creates an interesting effect (all the notes are placed at random) and i'd love to use it but the noise issue makes it borderline unusable. any suggestions for working around this? thanks. -jim --0-1401154226-1034464295=:40157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

i'm trying to do this thing: in loop mode, play a note and then hit record so the note has no attack...it just appears.  i usually let it ring and the loop ends up being about 10 seconds long.  invariably i have some significant noise build-up.  it creates an interesting effect (all the notes are placed at random) and i'd love to use it but the noise issue makes it borderline unusable.  any suggestions for working around this?

thanks.

-jim

--0-1401154226-1034464295=:40157-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 19:32:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11378; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c27248$2183e920$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Rob Wright" To: References: Subject: newbie questions Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:36:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks: i'm a newbie here -- just discovered this fine group while checking a reference to JamMan on the new peter gabriel CD. since i'm new to this, i have a few questions. would somebody kindly give me a short list of the top loopers i should listen to. even just a few to start, if possible. i have listened to andre lafosse, and love what he is doing. second, what are the main hardware devices for doing looping -- other than JamMan and Echoplex -- and are there any decent software equivalents? thanks so much and keep up the good work rob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 19:38:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12031; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c27248$2183e920$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> References: <000701c27248$2183e920$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 18:35:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: newbie questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >second, what are the main hardware devices for doing looping -- other than >JamMan and Echoplex -- and are there any decent software equivalents? Rob...I'm also a newbie here, and I asked a similar question the other day. I was considering the Echoplex vs. the Boss RC20. I'm now essentially sold on the Echoplex, personally, but I'd recommend you have a look at the 'tools of the trade' link that can be found on the loopers delight home page. There's some great info. there. Of course, everyone else here can give you plenty more info than I can, but that page helped me a whole lot, so it may help you also. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 20:07:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14691; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:06:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:06:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:06:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue In-reply-to: <20021012231135.41200.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8F58E7E7-DE3F-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id UAA14653 Resent-Message-ID: <0yzPkB.A.MlD.UjLq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds to me like you're using some sort of compressor. Are you? As the note fades, the gain increases, as does what ever noise is present in you signal. I bet if you kill the compressor it will get rid of the noise (to some degree) If you're not using a compressor, I have no idea what's going on. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 04:11 PM, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > i'm trying to do this thing: in loop mode, play a note and then hit > record so the note has no attack...it just appears.  i usually let it > ring and the loop ends up being about 10 seconds long.  invariably i > have some significant noise build-up.  it creates an interesting > effect (all the notes are placed at random) and i'd love to use it but > the noise issue makes it borderline unusable.  any suggestions for > working around this? > > thanks. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 20:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15686; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <190.eeb237b.2ada16e8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:23:04 EDT Subject: Re: only a A part? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, In a message dated 10/12/02 3:38:40 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >but I'm still in the dark as to why all the self deprecation? I was probably dropped on my head once too often as a child. Otherwise, beyond the fact that these are my genuine feelings, I don't know why. Maybe in the next one life I'll have better self-esteem too . . . !?! :-) Best regards, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 20:48:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16986; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:47:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:47:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:48:02 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: only a A part? In-reply-to: <190.eeb237b.2ada16e8@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6D4520BA-DE45-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like to think that I'll be a bit better in my next life, but I don't disregard the possibility that I'll just wink out and become worm food, so I'd better get going in this life. It is a lot of pressure to get it all right in one life though... I think I'd need a "B" life, then maybe another "A" life... Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 05:23 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Mark, > > In a message dated 10/12/02 3:38:40 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > >> but I'm still in the dark as to why all the self deprecation? > > I was probably dropped on my head once too often as a child. > Otherwise, beyond the fact that these are my genuine feelings, > I don't know why. > > Maybe in the next one life I'll have better self-esteem too . . . !?! > > :-) > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 20:50:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16738; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:44:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:45:05 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: only a A part? In-reply-to: <3DA8A561.4720E893@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <041F114A-DE45-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 03:42 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Yo Mark, > > Ya said: > >> While I LOVE the things Amy X and Brian Kenny Fresno do with their >> loopers (Brian's a JamMan guy) I always get the feeling that they're >> just trying to get away with not having to deal with not having a >> band, >> you know? > > That's not my take on either of those two at all. The only way I could > see Amy doing her thing with "a band" would be if her band was half a > dozen or more clones of herself, all singing together and starting or > stopping on a dime. And that in itself wouldn't take her own > post-modernist/sample-based theatrical performative element into > consideration (i.e. very visibly beating on her drumKAT controller > while > different EDP things leap out), which is such a big part of her > "thing." I was not cutting Amy's thing down, I love her act, I just said I don't think it's for me. You never know though... So yeah... I like her music a lot, and I never said her method was not valid in any way. I was not making a judgment call as to whether or not constructing a performance the way she does has any merit. I'm actually toying with the idea myself, but I'm not sure... that sounds like work! >> Sure, the >> looper helps her do her show more easily, > > See my last comment above - I really don't perceive her thing as being > a > "replacement" for a hypothetical band of multiple Amy Neubergs (which > is > what she'd need to play her stuff sans EDP). It strikes me as being a > very direct use of the EDP on its own terms, frequently to musical ends > that COULDN'T be acheived without it. I disagree. I've seen people do music like Amy's and Brian's in a band setup. Nothing she did was impossible without the EDP... unless she did backwards stuff, which I can't recall now. I'm not discounting the fact that it being her over and over didn't give the music a twist, but was it essential to the song? Maybe, but I don't think so. I'd love to see her with a little band doing those pieces. I think it would be equally as interesting. > Third perspective: might one say that playing along to sequences and > drum machines would be at least as much of a "band substitute" as > layering numerous vocal overdubs? > >> but is that what loopers are >> about? Not for me, I think. > > But for her, apparently so, yes? Yes! Of course, or I would have said, "For jerks." ;) > > How incredibly boring would it be if people automatically assumed that > looping was supposed to be used for a specific musical style or > approach? > > Oh wait... that's pretty much the way it is anyway! ;) Is it? At the SLO and Santa Cruz loopfests, I saw an a bunch of different approaches and devices. Each act had it's own personality IMO. I cringed when someone (I won't mention them to protect the guilty) said, "... I can't spent too much time in there (S.C), so much of this looping is so generic..." I didn't totally dig all the acts either... who could? But I didn't hear much that I would have labeled "generic." > To me it seems to be the difference between >> making soup from a receipe or going to a market, buying what seems >> good >> and then making it up from scratch. >> Sure, you'll come up with stuff >> that's not so edible sometimes, but you learn with time. > > Could it be that the "learning with time" angle is another way of > describing a person coming up with their own recipie, which they then > draw upon in their work? Well, yes, I'm sure themes do develop in inprov and can be useful in a set piece, but I'm less interested in that and more in that magic when it "comes from thin air." That said, I love a lot of pop music. > >> Maybe this >> not so interesting for the audience, but it's a hell of a lot more >> interesting to me as a musician, and to be honest, with the money I >> made doing more pop structured music, I'm in this for fun now. > > This does raise the question: why DO you take your music in front of an > audience, if getting what you do across to them isn't much of a > priority > in comparison to your own enjoyment - which you say is paramount in > your > concerns, and could certainly be done on your own? Mainly to get blowjobs from groupies. No, seriously, I gig live because I'm hesitent to join a gym, the contracts, the high fees... Just lug your gear around! Now I kick sand in all the geeks faces at the beach! > Hmmmm... OK, you got me... I actually do want the love and recognision of my fellow humans. There I said it. I'm crying out for attention. I want to be liked and admired. I want to inspire others, like musicians have inspired me. It took 35 years, but when a woman said, "Oooo you've got an eBow" (Yeah, that's right KIM!) and I married that woman as fast as I could! It took me 23 years of playing before I finally slept with a fan. Man, I must suck! Do you like me Andre? Please like me because I like you. I want to be liked. I don't mean to be evil... I just can't help it. > > All in good humor - but serious interest and intent... I find no humor in your words and challenge you! Pistols at sunrise! Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 21:02:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18913; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <93.24f805d3.2ada2006@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:01:58 EDT Subject: Re: dog's 'nads To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, You are kind beyond words. Bless you. I'll TRY not to be the self-flagellating schmuck so much in future. I suppose it makes it look like I don't appreciate (or even possibly take issue with) people's generous praise. I don't mean that at all. I can't help myself. I am caught on the horns of an impossible dilemma -- an unquenchable desire/drive/need and a stubborn, insane commitment to create something (on the one hand) -- and an all-to-real mental self-image as the person (in all of the world) who is least likely to succeed at doing much of anything worth even the time of day. It has only been with the near-continual badgering of dear friends like Jeff Kaiser (who mixed, mastered and put out my CD) that I ever did a CD at all -- that, and I have this insane stubborn streak for "lost causes" I guess. Counciling hasn't helped. I can't give up -- even if I can't imagine ever "succeeding" (whatever the hell THAT is). As it happens, I also derive immense pleasure from making music "in the moment" that creation occurs. I suppose that's possibly the source of the stubbornness. Giving up music would be almost like giving up sex. I'd rather not live in that world. Oh well . . . Please bear with me. I don't wish to be difficult and co-dependent in some weird, sick and twisted way. Though that may be exactly what it look like Hi de ho, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 22:40:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24386; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:37:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:37:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DA8DB78.D8196D2D@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:33:28 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: only a A part? References: <041F114A-DE45-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com O Sarcastillaro, > I like her music a lot, and I never said her method was not valid in > any way. I was not making a judgment call as to whether or not > constructing a performance the way she does has any merit. I didn't take it that way, although your suggesting that people who play composed looping tunes are "trying to get away with not having to deal with not having a band" seems a bit judgemental to me. Especially coming from a guy who drags a drum machine to his gigs, dude! ;) > I've seen people do music like Amy's and Brian's in a band > setup. Nothing she did was impossible without the EDP... unless she > did backwards stuff, which I can't recall now. There is some backwards stuff in at least one of her tunes (I think it's called "My God"), where she reverses some latin speech mid-overdub so it sounds like speaking in tongues. > I'm not discounting the > fact that it being her over and over didn't give the music a twist, but > was it essential to the song? Maybe, but I don't think so. To me, there are two components to the way that Amy (or Brian Kenney) are using this sort of technology. There's the raw sonic aspect - the sound waves that come out of the speaker. And then there's the performative aspect of it - how the audience's perception or experience of the looping apparatus can (or does) impact the way that they experience the presentation, of which the sonic aspect is one of the main parts. So, to try and put that in less pseudo-intellectual terms: when you see Amy batting her DrumKAT with sticks to switch back and forth between loops in a very choppy manner, it's drawing the audience into the apparatus of what she's doing in a really dynamic way. When Brian Kenney lays down a few lines of absurdist poetry and then runs around the floor of the performance space, physically acting out his lyrics which are being repeated via JamMan, he's not just using the technology for a sonic result - he's using it in a performmative way that helps draw the audience into both the unique apparatus of the technology itself, as well as the performance as a whole. So sure, Brian or Amy could still play the notes of their compositions with a live band, but there's a very engaging and entertaining - and most importantly, a very MUSICAL - statement they're making by using their looping in the way that they are. This is one of the things I like most about people like them: a lot of people tend to assume that looping has to be this inward-looking, navel-gazing, meditative thing, but people like those two completely explode that kind of idea. They're creating very performance-oriented works that would lose a big part of where I would say their "things" are coming from if they weren't using the technology. > > How incredibly boring would it be if people automatically assumed that > > looping was supposed to be used for a specific musical style or > > approach? > > > > Oh wait... that's pretty much the way it is anyway! ;) > > Is it? At the SLO and Santa Cruz loopfests, I saw an a bunch of > different approaches and devices. Each act had it's own personality > IMO. I cringed when someone (I won't mention them to protect the > guilty) said, "... I can't spent too much time in there (S.C), so much > of this looping is so generic..." I didn't totally dig all the acts > either... who could? But I didn't hear much that I would have labeled > "generic." My tongue was (and is) somewhat planted in cheek with that comment. But it's true that I believe there's still a lot of preconceptions haunting the technique, and my feeling is based on opinions I've seen on this list and elsewhere. Some of these preconceptions include: looping = geeky looping = ambient looping = drones looping = avant-garde looping = improvisational looping = "new music" looping = fundamentally non-mainstream looping = highly repetitive music looping = post-prog rock Frippertronic Soundscapes looping = a specific musical result, rather than a technical starting point The reason I tend to be such an annoying chest-beating moron about this thing is because I think there's a big, big difference between someone playing in one or more of the above-mentioned ways because they WANT to (which is great), as opposed to their doing so because they ASSUME that's what they're SUPPOSED to do with a looper. If the instrument is playing the musician more than the musician is playing the instrument, then I think that's something the musician in question might want to consider, at the very least. > > Could it be that the "learning with time" angle is another way of > > describing a person coming up with their own recipie, which they then > > draw upon in their work? > > Well, yes, I'm sure themes do develop in inprov and can be useful in a > set piece, but I'm less interested in that and more in that magic when > it "comes from thin air." What I'm talking about isn't really the idea of developing specific musical ideas that recur over and over until they become themes. I'm talking about the overall "system" a person uses - that is, the ingredients they choose to buy when they go to the store in the first place (to use your analogy). The choice of instrument, the choice of what effects a person may or may not use on the sound, the types of functions you might choose to implement, the way you practice with the gear... all of this is sort of "learning how to cook," in a way. And the more you learn about every component in your approach (whether that component is a Repeater or a new piece of music theory or a new philosophical point of view), the more those seemingly "random" components are getting ordered and structured in your own mind. I completely understand where you're coming from with wanting to have the music "come from thin air," but what I'm trying to express is the idea that ANY musician has their own set of parameters that they're working within, and their own vocabulary that they're accessing when they play. Even if the specific notes you're playing don't have a consciously premeditated structure, one's own personal approach to it DOES have a certain degree of familiarity and identity. So for someone like yourself (and for myself as well, more often than not), the main appeal is being able to "harness the unknown" and try to create something from the ground up. But I can't honestly say that there isn't a pretty tight range of possibility within which I know what the stuff will likely sound like. > I find no humor in your words and challenge you! Pistols at sunrise! I'd prefer the Dead Kennedys at midnight, personally... ;) Touche! --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 22:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24830; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:46:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:46:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DA8DD88.183F7F53@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:42:16 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: only a A part? References: <041F114A-DE45-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> <3DA8DB78.D8196D2D@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahem, A quick P.S. to clarify - I'd said, > > > How incredibly boring would it be if people automatically assumed that > > > looping was supposed to be used for a specific musical style or > > > approach? > > > > > > Oh wait... that's pretty much the way it is anyway! ;) Then Mark said: > > I cringed when someone (I won't mention them to protect the > > guilty) said, "... I can't spent too much time in there (S.C), so much > > of this looping is so generic..." When I then replied, > My tongue was (and is) somewhat planted in cheek with that comment. ...I was referring to my originally-quoted remark above and "the comment" in question, and not the anonymous S.C. thing Mark later mentioned. Probably a grinch anyway, --A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 23:28:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27480; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:25:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:25:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DA8E6C2.255A80A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:21:38 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie questions References: <000701c27248$2183e920$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Rob, Rob Wright wrote: > would somebody kindly give me a short list of the top loopers i should > listen to. even just a few to start, if possible. Here are a few people that come to my mind right off the bat, to give you some scope of the diversity of styles and approaches available. All my humble opinion, of course... This is by no means a comphrehensive list, and I have no idea how many of them actually have loop-centric sound files on their web sites, either... David Torn (guitar/computer/kitchen sink): http://www.splattercell.com Matthias Grob (self-invented guitar/electronics, and original inventor of the Echoplex): http://matthias.grob.org Steve Lawson (fretless bass): http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk Todd Reynolds (violin): http://www.toddreynolds.com Amy Neuberg (voice and electronics): http://www.isproductions.com/amy John Whooley (voice, voice and more voice): http://www.estradasphere.com (search for "Whoolilicious" under "Side Projects") Paul Dresher ("performance art" guitar and composition): http://www.dresherensemble.org Ted Killian (avant-guitar): http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian Armatronix (live hardware-based electronica): http://armatronix.iuma.com Michael Peters (progressive/ambient guitar): http://listen.to/michaelpeters Dreamchild (goth/darkwave): http://www.dreamchildmusic.com Tom Heasley (ambient tuba!!!): http://www.tomheasley.com Max Valentino (acoustic bass guitar): http://www.mp3.com/Max_Valentino Stuart Wyatt (violin): http://www.solostring.com I'm sure I'm leaving out some important folks, but I'm still getting over a cold... have pity on me, people. This isn't counting serious cats like Rick Walker, Claude Voit, or Bill Walker who don't really have proper web pages up yet (jeez, guys...) > i have listened to andre > lafosse, and love what he is doing. That's very kind of you! Thanks for listening. > second, what are the main hardware devices for doing looping -- other than > JamMan and Echoplex Electrix Repeater, Line6 DL4, and Boomerang are the usual suspects, I think... all very fine and all very, very different in features and "feel." > -- and are there any decent software equivalents? "Equivalents" isn't quite the word I'd use, as they all have their own particular design angles, which don't necessarily cross over with one another in the hardware OR software realm. But Ableton Live has been blowing a lot of people's brains lately, and is both Mac and PC-compatible, which is not always the case with other software loopers. Cough, sneeze and hack, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 12 23:36:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27978; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:32:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:32:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021013033225.31735.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:32:25 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to recall some of you folks wishing for something like this...... http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Content/Manifold_Labs/PR/PlugZilla.html John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Click below & type your e-mail addy. mailto:pinglist@dreamstate.to?subject=Subscribe2ThePingList Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 02:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07088; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:02:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:02:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:00:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <8F58E7E7-DE3F-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, are you certain that after the noise has been reduced, the device will inherently function the same way and provide a quality means of producing quality loops? How long have you been using it? This device you're using, does it run on batteries or is it limited by a cord? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue Sounds to me like you're using some sort of compressor. Are you? As the note fades, the gain increases, as does what ever noise is present in you signal. I bet if you kill the compressor it will get rid of the noise (to some degree) If you're not using a compressor, I have no idea what's going on. Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 04:11 PM, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > i'm trying to do this thing: in loop mode, play a note and then hit > record so the note has no attack...it just appears. i usually let it > ring and the loop ends up being about 10 seconds long. invariably i > have some significant noise build-up. it creates an interesting > effect (all the notes are placed at random) and i'd love to use it but > the noise issue makes it borderline unusable. any suggestions for > working around this? > > thanks. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 02:06:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07152; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: only a A part? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <190.eeb237b.2ada16e8@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why can't self-esteem just be made to happen? Is there any concern for loss of inherent/intrinsic identity? Any at all? -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: only a A part? Mark, In a message dated 10/12/02 3:38:40 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >but I'm still in the dark as to why all the self deprecation? I was probably dropped on my head once too often as a child. Otherwise, beyond the fact that these are my genuine feelings, I don't know why. Maybe in the next one life I'll have better self-esteem too . . . !?! :-) Best regards, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 02:24:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08265; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:20:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:20:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Counting Calories Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:19:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <041F114A-DE45-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I find that the quality of my music is hampered lately by my diet. Is it loopy to count calories? I seem to loop in and out of commitment to diet. I think it's because I've always been fond of the joules model of heat-energy consideration and get bored by the bland nature of mere calories, which then have to be converted into joules. In truth I'm almost positive that the best use of food sometimes is to put it one a plate and envision that it was once alive, so intensely that it seems to come to life, and then you can stick to a diet without much difficulty at all. Only problem then is the problem of determining what to eat at all, ever, and that's where my brain enters and endless loop. Hm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 02:25:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08468; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:21:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:21:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: only a A part? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:20:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <6D4520BA-DE45-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well assuming you'd have an afterlife and could distinguish it from your current one. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: only a A part? I like to think that I'll be a bit better in my next life, but I don't disregard the possibility that I'll just wink out and become worm food, so I'd better get going in this life. It is a lot of pressure to get it all right in one life though... I think I'd need a "B" life, then maybe another "A" life... Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 05:23 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Mark, > > In a message dated 10/12/02 3:38:40 PM, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: > >> but I'm still in the dark as to why all the self deprecation? > > I was probably dropped on my head once too often as a child. > Otherwise, beyond the fact that these are my genuine feelings, > I don't know why. > > Maybe in the next one life I'll have better self-esteem too . . . !?! > > :-) > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 02:53:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09711; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:49:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 02:49:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Looping mechanism problem Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Problem One: my looping mechanism is virtual. It's simply a program. Problem Two. All the dials seem to work right except one, which seems to function opposite to how it was labeled. Actually I think I remember vaguely that it had a different label to start with. Maybe someone changed it, I don't know. But actually I've misplaced the looping program and the manual- I'm just wondering if anyone has ever encountered a problem like this before. Metaphorically speaking, overall, this problem has driven me loopy lately and it is especially bothersome that I can no longer find the manual because normally I love using the program and now I don't want to touch it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 03:12:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11864; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:07:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:07:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: newbie questions Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DA8E6C2.255A80A@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_QFgMD.A.F5C.XuRq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Self-invented? Sounds like that bad sitcom about the inside of the man's head- Fred's head or something? Which of course was not around too long because the writing was really not at all at the level of possibility that it might have been , had Gene Roddenberry, et al, been the team to produce the show. Or if they'd let me produce it- LOL. -----Original Message----- From: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 8:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: newbie questions Hi Rob, Rob Wright wrote: > would somebody kindly give me a short list of the top loopers i should > listen to. even just a few to start, if possible. Here are a few people that come to my mind right off the bat, to give you some scope of the diversity of styles and approaches available. All my humble opinion, of course... This is by no means a comphrehensive list, and I have no idea how many of them actually have loop-centric sound files on their web sites, either... David Torn (guitar/computer/kitchen sink): http://www.splattercell.com Matthias Grob (self-invented guitar/electronics, and original inventor of the Echoplex): http://matthias.grob.org Steve Lawson (fretless bass): http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk Todd Reynolds (violin): http://www.toddreynolds.com Amy Neuberg (voice and electronics): http://www.isproductions.com/amy John Whooley (voice, voice and more voice): http://www.estradasphere.com (search for "Whoolilicious" under "Side Projects") Paul Dresher ("performance art" guitar and composition): http://www.dresherensemble.org Ted Killian (avant-guitar): http://www.mp3.com/tedkillian Armatronix (live hardware-based electronica): http://armatronix.iuma.com Michael Peters (progressive/ambient guitar): http://listen.to/michaelpeters Dreamchild (goth/darkwave): http://www.dreamchildmusic.com Tom Heasley (ambient tuba!!!): http://www.tomheasley.com Max Valentino (acoustic bass guitar): http://www.mp3.com/Max_Valentino Stuart Wyatt (violin): http://www.solostring.com I'm sure I'm leaving out some important folks, but I'm still getting over a cold... have pity on me, people. This isn't counting serious cats like Rick Walker, Claude Voit, or Bill Walker who don't really have proper web pages up yet (jeez, guys...) > i have listened to andre > lafosse, and love what he is doing. That's very kind of you! Thanks for listening. > second, what are the main hardware devices for doing looping -- other than > JamMan and Echoplex Electrix Repeater, Line6 DL4, and Boomerang are the usual suspects, I think... all very fine and all very, very different in features and "feel." > -- and are there any decent software equivalents? "Equivalents" isn't quite the word I'd use, as they all have their own particular design angles, which don't necessarily cross over with one another in the hardware OR software realm. But Ableton Live has been blowing a lot of people's brains lately, and is both Mac and PC-compatible, which is not always the case with other software loopers. Cough, sneeze and hack, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 03:19:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11996; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:10:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: newbie questions - one of my own in a sorta newbie way- STYLE Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:10:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DA8E6C2.255A80A@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can people provide advice as to how style and the uniqueness of STYLE is fully liberated in a looping environment, without resorting to anything like a randomizing element? Or with a randomizer but with the resulting music conveying the classical passion and optimistically-based empathy that so much music lacks today? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 03:20:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12234; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: dog's 'nads Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:14:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <93.24f805d3.2ada2006@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sometimes, Dolores, self-flagellation is a trick of the mind called "wishing you were here". Not YOU, but you know what I mean. Hopefully. But your perception of some internal event as flagellation- well, that's an issue you'd better deal with rather quickly. Re-label it "manifested physical passion in a non-responsive vacuum". Or leave out the non-responsive part and simply enjoy the mental ride. Because sometimes self-titillation stays - simply stays. Until it is seen as that rather than self-flagellation- and then even afterward, but at that point it's no cause for much thought. -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dog's 'nads Steve, You are kind beyond words. Bless you. I'll TRY not to be the self-flagellating schmuck so much in future. I suppose it makes it look like I don't appreciate (or even possibly take issue with) people's generous praise. I don't mean that at all. I can't help myself. I am caught on the horns of an impossible dilemma -- an unquenchable desire/drive/need and a stubborn, insane commitment to create something (on the one hand) -- and an all-to-real mental self-image as the person (in all of the world) who is least likely to succeed at doing much of anything worth even the time of day. It has only been with the near-continual badgering of dear friends like Jeff Kaiser (who mixed, mastered and put out my CD) that I ever did a CD at all -- that, and I have this insane stubborn streak for "lost causes" I guess. Counciling hasn't helped. I can't give up -- even if I can't imagine ever "succeeding" (whatever the hell THAT is). As it happens, I also derive immense pleasure from making music "in the moment" that creation occurs. I suppose that's possibly the source of the stubbornness. Giving up music would be almost like giving up sex. I'd rather not live in that world. Oh well . . . Please bear with me. I don't wish to be difficult and co-dependent in some weird, sick and twisted way. Though that may be exactly what it look like Hi de ho, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 03:36:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12894; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Manifesting STYLE Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2728a$05bfbba0$73d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- MIKO say-- Can people provide advice as to how style and the uniqueness of STYLE is fully liberated in a looping environment, without resorting to anything like a randomizing element? Or with a randomizer but with the resulting music conveying the classical passion and optimistically-based empathy that so much music lacks today? ====Well, here's an easy one . . . First thing is, be down with what your tools are, so you don't have to think about that part-- Second thing would be, don't think too much about your intended audience or what their expectations might be-- And the last would be, listen like a motherfucker so that when you do something you like, you can follow it-- Of course, having said all this, I usually try to pitch my audience with what I think they will like, at least at first . . . And, of course, I hope I understood the question correctly . . . BTW, I thought Ted's remarks with regard to juggling and gravity were VERY insightful--hey, sorry about the noisy pocket change, dude . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 04:23:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16410; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:17:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:17:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:17:41 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? In-reply-to: <20021013033225.31735.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3E59CA29-DE84-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Aw man, that is SWEET. If that's got low latency and the ability to run at least a few plugins at a time, that will change it all as we know it. I foresee a world where our processors are like our personal computers: Blank. We chose what they become. And we wear silver suits and eat all our meals in pill form... Mark Sottilaro On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 08:32 PM, John Tidwell wrote: > I seem to recall some of you folks wishing for > something like this...... > > http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Content/Manifold_Labs/PR/ > PlugZilla.html > > > John > > > > > > ===== > John Tidwell > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 04:52:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21337; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:51:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:51:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021013085112.13861.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 01:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3E59CA29-DE84-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Aw man, that is SWEET. If that's got low latency > and the ability to > run at least a few plugins at a time, that will > change it all as we know it. How does eight sound? http://www.plugzilla.com/overview/Document.2002-09-30.1357/view > I foresee a world where our processors are > like our personal > computers: Blank. We chose what they become. And > we wear silver suits > and eat all our meals in pill form... Don't forget the hovercraft & jetpacks! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 08:05:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31880; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:04:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:04:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 05:03:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021013085112.13861.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1u_CzD.A.8xH.kEWq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why do our personal computers need to be blank? What have YOU been up to? This is Ground Control: Don't assume too much future control, Major Tom. Quoth Bowie: "Can you hear me Major Tom? Can you hear me Major Tom? Here am I floating in my tin can. Planet earth is blue and there's nothing you [or I] can do." -----Original Message----- From: John Tidwell [mailto:wedgehed@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 1:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Aw man, that is SWEET. If that's got low latency > and the ability to > run at least a few plugins at a time, that will > change it all as we know it. How does eight sound? http://www.plugzilla.com/overview/Document.2002-09-30.1357/view > I foresee a world where our processors are > like our personal > computers: Blank. We chose what they become. And > we wear silver suits > and eat all our meals in pill form... Don't forget the hovercraft & jetpacks! John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 12:34:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15882; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:31:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:31:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:29:46 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? In-reply-to: <20021013033225.31735.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <20021013033225.31735.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_2b6jC.A.R2D.d-Zq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 8:32 PM -0700 10/12/02, John Tidwell wrote: >I seem to recall some of you folks wishing for something like this...... > >http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Content/Manifold_Labs/PR/PlugZilla.html $3,000, which would pay for a stack of EDPs, but it has virtually unlimited flexibility. If it's a commercial success there could very well be a cheaper version as well. It has two processing engines, each of which can run four VST plug-ins simultaneously. The routing between the plug-ins and all their individual parameters can be saved as presets. I didn't look that closely at it at AES, but I noticed that one of the plug-ins they were using was the PSP 42 (VST emulation of the Lexicon PCM 42). I think this would be an excellent piece for someone who already has an extensive plug-in collection but who is averse to taking a computer out on a gig. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 13:19:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19402; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:18:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:18:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021013171841.94740.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: RE: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1542939087-1034529521=:94610" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1542939087-1034529521=:94610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no compression. preamp --> edp --> amp what i'll do is record an empty loop and mute all inputs. then i play note 1 and hit overdub immediately after just to cut off the attack. after a few of these, the noise gets pretty significant. i'm sure there's some way to circumvent this by staying in delay mode and working with the switchblade. but now i wonder what it is about loop mode that causes noise to build up while in delay mode, even though it's always open (in that you can always add sounds to the mix), no noise seems to get introduced. i just don't know enough about the structure of the designs... thanks anyhow. -jim --0-1542939087-1034529521=:94610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

no compression.  preamp --> edp --> amp

what i'll do is record an empty loop and mute all inputs.  then i play note 1 and hit overdub immediately after just to cut off the attack.  after a few of these, the noise gets pretty significant. 

i'm sure there's some way to circumvent this by staying in delay mode and working with the switchblade. 

but now i wonder what it is about loop mode that causes noise to build up while in delay mode, even though it's always open (in that you can always add sounds to the mix), no noise seems to get introduced.  i just don't know enough about the structure of the designs...

thanks anyhow.

-jim

--0-1542939087-1034529521=:94610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 13:27:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19797; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:26:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:26:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3E59CA29-DE84-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <3E59CA29-DE84-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:18:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <-9kC3C.A.70E.Dzaq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 1:17 AM -0700 10/13/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >I foresee a world where our processors are like our personal computers: Blank. We chose what they become. Eventide Orville is pretty much there today. There is some "sweat equity" involved in gluing the DSP parts together, but if you want a very capable tabula rasa, this is the device. >And we wear silver suits and eat all our meals in pill form... Yeah, but my personal helicopter is in the shop, and my hovercraft is full of eels. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 13:42:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20575; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:40:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:40:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.18.233] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: only a A part? Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:40:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2002 17:40:07.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[91D9AAB0:01C272DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All: This is a very interesting thread on the aspects of looping and compositional form. Mark, Matthias and Andre have all contributed some very provocative insights into how they/we use loops and of the subject of performance “sans band” and the traditional song form. When I started solo looping some years ago, I was, as many here I assume, a victim of the “one-man-band” syndrome. Using my JamMan, as many fx pedals as floor space would allow, as many a six rack processors, and three (!) sync’d drum machines. Yes, I was doing the ABABC…song forms, and trying to be all the instruments of a virtual ensemble. It was fun, and a great learning experience, yet I found the music to be sometimes a bit vacant. While the visual spectacle of one guy doing it all would hold an audience attention for a short while, mostly, save for other musicians, the audience too would become bored with the mechanizations. That led me to dump the drum machines, most of the pedals, the big mixer, etc. and embrace the limitations of being a solo bass looper. With no time sync, the JamMan is very difficult to time different loops as to set up A and B sections. I began to explore more “implied harmony” and rhythmic changes within a fixed loop. I began to play “drum” parts on my bass. And yes, this was mostly just “A” part loops, but with implied harmonic and textural changes under and over that. Personally I have found this more rewarding, and audiences have also been much more receptive. Yet something is still amiss. I have found that playing to a loop offers very little of the interchange and dialogue which occurs between playing musicians. Music is made up of much more than just sounds, just tones or notes. It is the interplay and dialogue between the musicians, their sense of communication and that communication with an audience. Without this interplay the music become very one, or at best two, dimensional. Still using a JamMan, I have the severe limitation of this device being capable of only adding to a loop; no undo, quantize, or other cut-up techniques you EDP users have at your disposal. I recently added Bob Sellon’s upgrade to the JamMan, which allows me to run parallel loops, independent fades and mutes, reverse looping…a lot more fun! Also, it has allowed me to interact with the loop as another musical voice, playing with it and allowing the improvisational direction of my work to blossom. Certainly there is not as much at my disposal as an EDP, but it is a step in the right direction. I have really begun to view the looper as another musical voice, not just an ostinato over which I can play. This has led me to working with forms in which there is more than only an “A” part, yet compositionally steps outside of the “traditional” song form. And still there is form, and parts, which allow the audience reference points; something familiar for which they can relate to. There will always be traditional song forms. Modern compositional techniques are leading away from that, while, sometimes, paying some homage to it. Cycles no longer need to be symmetrical, and audiences have begun to really accept the possibility of newer forms. I think looping tools have greatly helped this, and listening to the various recordings made by members of this list I hear bold steps of diverse creativity being taken. It interests me how others here are using their loopers…. especially those who might be working within an ensemble. If you are working within the structures of “traditional” song forms, how does that work? The other interesting aspect of this thread is of the nature of performance. Especially with solo loopers, there is a tendency towards “shoe-gazing”. We might have so much going on with our feet and hands that any performance (read: entertainment) aspect is simply impractical. I did not make it to the recent Women’s LoopFest, but from what I hear, there were several performers who added a visual spectacle to some very impressive looping techniques. This is important as what we do as musicians is directly tied to our ability and need to communicate on some level with people who are not musicians. People who do not play are always fascinated by our alchemical abilities to conjure up sounds, which relate to them on various intellectual and visceral levels. Yet, attention spans do not last that long. The visual/entertainment aspect of our work is a great aid in our ability to communicate. …. and then, of course, there are those among us who loop merely for their own enjoyment without regard for public acceptance, communication or “entertainment”. I am not knocking them, and thoroughly applaud their efforts, as often their efforts greatly influence the rest of us (speaking for myself I know this to be true). I love being part of this community known as Looper’s Delight. I look forward every morning to reading the posts. It is a rather unique board in which we openly encourage and inspire each other, regardless of divergent musical styles or tastes, and can engage in dialogues and discourse on topics such as this, which I find incredibly insightful and helpful in learning about “why we loop”. Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 14:23:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25016; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:22:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:17:12 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <3E59CA29-DE84-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:18 AM -0700 10/13/02, Chris Muir wrote: >Eventide Orville is pretty much there today. There is some "sweat >equity" involved in gluing the DSP parts together, but if you want a >very capable tabula rasa, this is the device. I agree, though Plugzilla would still be a good choice for someone who has a few favorite VST plugs that just can't be easily replicated in Orville. Personally I'd rather run such plugs on a computer because that way I'd have the benefit of their GUI. This is a big part of many of my favorites. Another consideration is that Plugzilla is VST only. Some of the more interesting plugs are TDM and RTAS (e.g. most GRM Tools plugs), so one would still be better off with a computer. In recent I've done all of my looping and other processing with Eventides: H3000, DSP4000, Orville and in the past I used one or two TC2290s combined with other processors. All of these are great and I'm comfortable with them, but it's a lot to schlep. I recently bought a G4 PowerBook and an about to get a Mobile I/O. That may be the perfect performance kit for me, though I suspect that for larger gigs I'll still the Eventides. But to bring this back to the topic at hand: Plugzilla was designed by some very smart folks and is built with premium parts. For some it will be a good instrument. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 14:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25186; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3f.134b16c4.2adb1425@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:23:33 EDT Subject: flux aeterna To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >I've been listening to Ted's 'Flux Aeterna' CD all day today i've enjoyed that disc, too. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 14:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25592; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:32:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:32:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.2fbb09f4.2adb15fd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:31:25 EDT Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wedgehed@yahoo.com writes: >I seem to recall some of you folks wishing for >something like this...... not only wished for it; spoke w/marc lindahl & joe waltz about such a thing, 2 years ago, at aes-ny. is msp-compatible, maybe? if, then: radial *may* run on it. we'll see. best, dt / s-c From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 14:35:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25898; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:35:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:35:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [66.81.179.146] From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flux aeterna Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:34:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2002 18:34:22.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[26567F90:01C272E7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oddly enough, 'Flux Aeterna' has been spinning in my cd player most of this weekend, too! Great disc! The dog's 'nads indeed! Max >steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: > > >I've been listening to Ted's 'Flux Aeterna' CD all day today _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 15:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28714; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:03:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:03:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:02:39 -0700 Message-Id: <200210131902.g9DJ2dc11999@mail2.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.223] From: "murkie !" To: murkie@middlebury.edu Subject: cd preview and gig postponement Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey. i've put up and mp3 of the first track of my trio's forthcoming live loop-saturated disc at: http://community.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/Audio.htm any and all coments are welcome. also, if there's anybody here that even knew about it (any vermonters on this list?), our gig with cyrus chestnut has been postponed from oct 19th to oct 28th due to scheduling conflicts. thanks, m.c. 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It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 15:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30959; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:49:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:49:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c272f1$82923560$4d62f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200210131742.NAA20733@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: last chance: EAST meets WEST LOOPING FESTIVAL in SANTA CRUZ Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:48:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <-b2ezB.A.9iH._4cq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted everyone to have one last chance of seeing Loopers Delight member SUNAO INAMI in his first west coast tour. MICHAEL KLOBUCHAR is in the house as is Rick Walker............hey, that's me!!! Then SUNAO and I are going to improvise and then Michael and I are starting our new project, THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MEN OF THE UNIVERSE CHORUS AND GLEE CLUB (what is glee, anyway) Loop.pooL, over and out oh yeah, yaddy addy addy: 8 p.m. Cayuga Vault Today (1100 SOQUEL AVENUE) $10/door noone turned away for lack of funds From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 16:23:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01308; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 12:59:10 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? In-reply-to: <5b.2fbb09f4.2adb15fd@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <5b.2fbb09f4.2adb15fd@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1jxG_C.A.RU.tXdq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:31 PM -0400 10/13/02, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: >not only wished for it; spoke w/marc lindahl & joe waltz about such a thing, >2 years ago, at aes-ny. > >is msp-compatible, maybe? >if, then: radial *may* run on it. I expect Pluggo VST plugs will run, but Radial is a compiled application so probably not. Also, Plugzilla's user interface has a pair of very limited alphanumeric displays. Radial seems to depend a lot on its GUI. Worth talking to the designers, though. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 17:02:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04495; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:01:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:01:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:01:49 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How do they make the "eight at a time" determination? Don't different plug ins use different amounts of processor cycles? I can't imagine having 8 heavy duty reverb plug ins going at once (not that anyone would, but you know what I mean) unless it's really got a ton of processing power... which I guess it should for $3K. Mark On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 09:29 AM, Richard Zvonar wrote: > At 8:32 PM -0700 10/12/02, John Tidwell wrote: >> I seem to recall some of you folks wishing for something like >> this...... >> >> http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Content/Manifold_Labs/PR/ >> PlugZilla.html > > $3,000, which would pay for a stack of EDPs, but it has virtually > unlimited flexibility. If it's a commercial success there could very > well be a cheaper version as well. > > It has two processing engines, each of which can run four VST plug-ins > simultaneously. The routing between the plug-ins and all their > individual parameters can be saved as presets. I didn't look that > closely at it at AES, but I noticed that one of the plug-ins they were > using was the PSP 42 (VST emulation of the Lexicon PCM 42). I think > this would be an excellent piece for someone who already has an > extensive plug-in collection but who is averse to taking a computer > out on a gig. > > -- > > ______________________________________________________________ > Richard Zvonar, PhD > (818) 788-2202 > http://www.zvonar.com > http://RZCybernetics.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 17:15:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05156; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:15:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 17:15:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:15:09 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue In-reply-to: <20021013171841.94740.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA05079 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, yeah. You got me. I don't know what to think. Could it be the preamp? Is the amp a tube amp? Guitar combo, or just plain power amp? If you're running it with a distorted sound, you will be compressing the signal, and that could be it. I'm sure you've checked your gain path, and I trust aren't overloading the EDP (newer ones have a built in limiter to avoid overload, but that's compression) or the amp inputs... I'm sans EDP, so I think this is a job for Matthais or Kim. Good luck. Mark On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 10:18 AM, JAMES FOWLER, III wrote: > no compression.  preamp --> edp --> amp > > what i'll do is record an empty loop and mute all inputs.  then i play > note 1 and hit overdub immediately after just to cut off the attack.  > after a few of these, the noise gets pretty significant.  > > i'm sure there's some way to circumvent this by staying in delay mode > and working with the switchblade.  > > but now i wonder what it is about loop mode that causes noise to build > up while in delay mode, even though it's always open (in that you can > always add sounds to the mix), no noise seems to get introduced.  i > just don't know enough about the structure of the designs... > > thanks anyhow. > > -jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 18:06:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08842; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:05:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:05:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021013220452.43292.qmail@web80108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: Re: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2011024890-1034546692=:42796" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2011024890-1034546692=:42796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii tube preamp (alembic f2-b) clean sound...no overdrive and i know i'm not clipping the edps. kim/matthias: any tricks up your sleeves for this sort of business? -jim --0-2011024890-1034546692=:42796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

tube preamp (alembic f2-b) clean sound...no overdrive and i know i'm not clipping the edps. 

kim/matthias: any tricks up your sleeves for this sort of business?

-jim

--0-2011024890-1034546692=:42796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 18:22:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09538; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:21:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:21:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 15:08:37 -0700 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? In-reply-to: X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 2:01 PM -0700 10/13/02, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >How do they make the "eight at a time" determination? I don't know. What don't you ask them? -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 23:01:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29689; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.186.1.167] From: "Kris Day" To: References: <200210131742.NAA20733@hemlock.violacea.com> <004201c272f1$82923560$4d62f93f@global> Subject: Looping Fest in Iowa...How bout it? Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:55:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 02:56:45.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[54D03910:01C2732D] Resent-Message-ID: <4rLj5D.A.rPH.PKjq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey I'm looking for some fellow iowan loopers to put together a fest....or am I the only iowan on here... keep it real Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 23:25:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32002; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:21:24 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1034565723 X-Sasl-enc: HbPX3/sSiQA+8dyxWU9nEw Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? Message-Id: <20021014032124.8AC612FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think i read somewhere on their site that the processor could handle up to 16 high-quality reverbs or something like that. I guess they just limit it to 8 to have some headroom and/or to save some processing for routing, latency, and other such things... Ernesto On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:01:49 -0700, "Mark Sottilaro" said: > How do they make the "eight at a time" determination? Don't different > plug ins use different amounts of processor cycles? I can't imagine > having 8 heavy duty reverb plug ins going at once (not that anyone > would, but you know what I mean) unless it's really got a ton of > processing power... which I guess it should for $3K. > > Mark > -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 23:36:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32552; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:33:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:33:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:33:22 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: only a A part? In-reply-to: <3DA8DB78.D8196D2D@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, October 12, 2002, at 07:33 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > I didn't take it that way, although your suggesting that people who > play > composed looping tunes are "trying to get away with not having to deal > with not having a band" seems a bit judgemental to me. Especially > coming from a guy who drags a drum machine to his gigs, dude! ;) > I feel my relationship with my drum machine is more like a master/robot thing. Think R2D2 with some funk. > My tongue was (and is) somewhat planted in cheek with that comment. > But > it's true that I believe there's still a lot of preconceptions haunting > the technique, and my feeling is based on opinions I've seen on this > list and elsewhere. Some of these preconceptions include: > > looping = geeky yup > looping = ambient often > looping = drones mmmm drones > looping = avant-garde nice if you can get it > looping = improvisational whatever > looping = "new music" Sure! > looping = fundamentally non-mainstream see: usually not paid to play > looping = highly repetitive music techno? > looping = post-prog rock Frippertronic Soundscapes We are held responsible for our actions, whether intentional or not > looping = a specific musical result, rather than a technical starting > point Damn I've lost my start point again! > > I tend to be such an annoying chest-beating moron You said it, not me. (sentences quoted out of context are funny!) > >> I find no humor in your words and challenge you! Pistols at sunrise! > > I'd prefer the Dead Kennedys at midnight, personally... ;) > > Touche! > Ah, I'm going to call the whole thing off. I'm tired! Mark Sottilaro http://www.zerocrossing.net/sleeping/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 23:39:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32765; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:36:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:36:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:36:26 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? In-reply-to: <20021014032124.8AC612FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <1E1A1092-DF26-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6hn1gB.A.k_H.hujq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, that does sound exciting, I must say. Today at a party I talked about this to a few other computer/electronic musicians, and it seemed that everyone was very interested, but a little afraid of the price. Figure $3K for the unit, then another 1 or 2k for software and that's a very expensive box. If you've got the cash, I doubt there'd be a lot out there that's as versatile. Mark Sottilaro On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 03:21 AM, ernesto schnack wrote: > I think i read somewhere on their site that the processor could handle > up > to 16 high-quality reverbs or something like that. I guess they just > limit it to 8 to have some headroom and/or to save some processing for > routing, latency, and other such things... > > Ernesto > > On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:01:49 -0700, "Mark Sottilaro" > said: >> How do they make the "eight at a time" determination? Don't different >> plug ins use different amounts of processor cycles? I can't imagine >> having 8 heavy duty reverb plug ins going at once (not that anyone >> would, but you know what I mean) unless it's really got a ton of >> processing power... which I guess it should for $3K. >> >> Mark >> > > -- > ernesto schnack > http://schnack.does.it > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 13 23:45:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00871; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:41:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:40:49 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1034566888 X-Sasl-enc: KiwEqPbI2L2J56+XTDt6Tw Subject: Re: only a A part? Message-Id: <20021014034049.6E1B32FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:31:56 -0300, "Matthias Grob" said: > I wonder where the so typical forms ABACA and such come from and > whether they are needed for the understanding of the public or maybe > are overcome tradition? > I think they are just standards set by different cultures depending on their beliefs and what they consider the purpose of music to be. Most of the forms we use come from western european traditions, and that is reflected in the art music. Beethoven, Mozart and all those guys worked within certain form limitations, even when they "broke the rules", so the audience had a certain reference point to appreciate the music. In fact I think a lot of "new music" has lost its appeal to most people because there are no standards in form. Everytime you listen to a new work you have to figure out the form as it goes along, which can take away from the enjoyment. In the last century, western music has been incredibly influenced by African music, which uses a lot of repetition. A lot of electronic music uses these forms, as well as a lot of looping music. The way i see it, the further you drift away from known forms, the less people you'll reach (that is, of course, a huge generalization) and i guess it's up to the musician to decide who they want to reach. In this day and age where there is such a blending of cultures and music, I think many musicans have to set their own parameters to work in, parameters which are usually set by the society they live in. Although then again, I don't think its something you should think about too much....just do what feels right and hopefully you'll find your audience. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 00:00:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01799; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:57:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:57:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:59:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Cc: PeBi Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It may seem useless for you to define things academically, but to give a name to a thing is fundamental. And to associate it to some bigger family in universe is maybe even more fundamental not just for comunication, but for our perception of what we do and want and how things work! We have discussed such issues a lot, but somehow did not conclude. So please lets do this now, to get rid of the question and form a position in society, for the benefit of all! Somehow the name for what we do has come and all agreed on it: Looping. To define it we have a little harder time. The most important for this may be its class: Looping is a subset of what? We discussed it a lot and found it is not a Style, not a Tool, not a Religion, not a way of life... but maybe an Artform? Recently Kevin of Gibson suggested to create a site about the Artform Looping. So we need to know whether its an artform and what we want to include in that site. While LD is completely open and can include anyone who is interested, the new sites content and aim shall be defined in order to make evident to press and public what they can expect as Looping. By this we gain a lot more attention as several citations express below. Is it an ARTFORM? If Music, Painting, Dancing are artforms, can looping be another one? Or some kind of a sub-artform for music, like Concert, Recording, Composition, Improvisation... or even Guitarplaying as someone suggest below? There is some essence which is not limited to music and sound. I always tried to be at least open for those other ranges, but so far not much happened, I havent heard much talk about picture-looping, for example. So I tend to simplify to "looping is a way to create and perform music". As you see below, I even tend to exclude some other "art forms" that may use looping tools, but use their own label, like Minimal Music and Rap for example. This is in general only, because those stiles can still be executed the loop way, and then maybe called Loop-Rap or so, but if any repetitive music is loop music, we probably dont get anywhere. In other words: We naturally show connections to Mantras, for example, but we dont say Mantras = Loop Music, because the public may become confused and the Indians may disagree ;-) And if it is an Artform, what is the caracteristic of it? As Andre points out, not even Repetition seems to be a characteristic any more? Or could it be that Andre+co discovered another artform? -------------------- I just made a search at LD for "artform" and "art form" and it seems that Andre LaFosse was the first one to use the term Jan 97 in: " loopers meet @namm" ...there are plenty of people like myself whose introduction to looping came primarily via Fripp's work, so there's a bit of a tendency to think that looping as a serious improvisational form began with _No Pussyfooting_ and the live application thereof with the _Exposure_ "non-tour;" I've been guilty of this sort of thinking myself. Thanks to this list, I'm becoming more and more aware of the history behind the art form all the time. -------------------- LD veteran Bryan Helm in "the proof of the pudding....", 4 Feb 1997 4-Will this group of players feel the need to congregate together at some point in the future to share performances and information, and to solcit industry to makes it's pitch and contribute to the cost of such an event? 5- Should we be telling anyone about this kind of music in that they are already listening to loops in many aspects of modern audio production and could care less about the artform. Is there a collective sense that loop oriented music deserves a better fate than most work made available for sale in this pop culture. -------------------- Brian Helm again made a strong point April 98 in : "Truth via Doubt" ...Any artist who wrestles with an "alternative" material,style, or media does so first and foremost as a personal crusade. The need to bring this work to a public forum as a measure of it's congruency with commerce, is the chief bastardization of all artisitc intent related to the honest evolution of an art form. The availability and functionality of the electronic devices we use to loop are defined by activities and motives,that favor the corporate rational over the artistic whim in the long run (with all due respect to the industry brains,cogs & moguls who populate this list). So the tools of the trade are few and far between, widely varied in capabilities, and mostly not in current production....the listening public doesn't know the difference between a constantly triggered sample or a closed loop, unless you lip synch poorly to it...and you have to figure out how much personal sacrifice (economical,emotional,etc.) you can really stand to make in the pursuit of some esoteric, ethereal, and estranging art form. ... -------------------- Paul Mimlitsch said 8 Jan 1999 in "Looping Catching on?": The main problem, as I see it, is the perception that "Loopers" (and Looping) are viewed a lot of times as "effects" as opposed to "instruments". The viewing/listening audience sees a guitar so they expect "guitar" playing, a lot of guitar player/loopers set up collages of sound then just wank the same stuff over top of it that they would if they weren't "Looping" (before any body goes balistic, think about it, then fess up - we've all done it at some point in the growth cycle). When "Looping" devices and signal processors start getting played as instruments instead of something to tack on to an already established "technique" then "Looping" might "catch on". But then again why does "Looping" have to "catch on". The listener should ideally only be taken in by the resulting music and not how it was produced. The musician should be utilizing the instruments needed to realize his vision. Limiting titles such as Loopist, Guitarist, Stick Player etc., while fine for targeting an audience, can become constricting. For the listener they raise expectations which may not be realized, for the musician they can be real detriments to growth. I think that "Looping" (as it pertains to the use of electronic looping devices) is in its infancy and will only become a stand alone art form when the devices themselves are approached by those not hampered by previous "instrumental experience" (or as done by the present masters, such as DT, RF etc., of the art that can transcend the history of their own sound generating device so that the "Looper" becomes *the* instrument.) - Paul -------------------- 4 Feb 1999 some Aaron thanks Kim in: "I think we have a winner here!": I was too concerned with the possibility of drowning in email about how cool Robert Fripp is too realize how important to this artform your information has been. -------------------- Andre LaFosse 12 Oct 2000 in: "New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm" : >My main purpose in posting this is to see if people think >that "looping" as a technique/practiced art form/what-have-you has >actually changed significantly within the last four years, particularly >in terms of the whole "guitar loop" thing. What do you think? well, this is not the question here. -------------------- A real publication: journalist Toby Gray, in a revew that Stu posted in Jan 01, speaking about the Ricks 1st Solo Bass Looping Festival - which probably was an important beggining for a lot: >such a show again. It was obvious from Steve's performance that he has spent >a good bit of effort into musically exploring and expanding this art form. >Check it out with open minds if you can. -------------------- Few days later, Rick Walker in "Answering Matthias' letter and a quip from BASS LOOPIST Max Valentino of Tehachipi": >What I've realized about this 'artform' and I'm going to unabashedly refer >to it as an artform because "what is, IS" (if you catch my drift) is >that we need to promote the hell out of it because it is artistic >life blood to do so. In the U.S. (and I really don't want to >appear to be culturally miopic, but here is where I live) >there is so little support for the 'new' and creative. Consequently, I've >decided to dedicate the rest of my life to both my art and to being >a 'cheerleader' for other peoples' art, merely because not many >people seem to be doing it. strong paragraph, Rick! Rick also started: "LOOPERS NETWORK and a renewed LOOPING FESTIVAL CALL TO ARMS!!!" in Jul 2001 -------------------- Rick again in "Open Letter to the General Looping Community" in March 02: >I demand a high wage when I tour or make recording or >soundtracks.................I also will play damn near any looping event >that I can (when scheduling permits) for free or expenses just because I >love this community and this 'artform' (I know, I know, Kim, it is not , >technically, an artform) so much. Did I miss those mails? Why is it not, Kim? -------------------- In "An Oxymoron Replies", 10 Apr 2002 Rick promissed: >Learning how to play to loops in real time is a minor artform and I would be >happy to address this issue (maybe in a thread) at some point a little later >when I am not so overwhelmed with gigs and tour preparations (the next month >or so of my life). And we did talk about it since... -------------------- 4 Jun 2002, Rick started a great thread: "Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform?" that I only read now: >Calling ourselves loopers creates a sense of family and belonging. >This feeling was very palpable, as I'm sure anyone who was there would >agree, at Hans LIndauers' LOOPSTOCK in San Luis >Obispo............enough so that >Larry O graciously wrote us up in Electronic Musician last month. > > 2) Journalists and Radio DJs are sick of the status quo................we > have not been in such a horrible static slump in mainstream > pop music in almost 30 years. Calling attention to the new technology, > Looping, both educates and gives journalists and radio/televison dj/vjs a > handle................it makes them feel like they are part of the cutting > edge.............it gets great publicity: > I'm performed on air to a million people for a total of about 3 1/2 hours in > the last three years because of my efforts to promote > 'looping'................... > > You just can't get that kind of exposure any > other way as someone who is 'out of the box' (the dominant, major label > paradigm that has strangled creativity for so long). > > 3) I'm so invested, personally (and I think we should all be as >independent > artists) in exiting that box (lawyers, contracts, distributors, labels and > usury in general). Being part of a new 'movement', such as it is, is just > a way of identifying with something that doesn't have a strong > precedent..........It's a way of getting people's attention that something > 'new' is coming. People are starved for new creativity. Mark my words, > the next 3-5 years will see a new musical explosion even in major label pop > because people are so starved for something outside of the Major >Label paradigm. Then Dan Ash: >Fact is art needs no labels in and of itself. They do provide a >convenient way of talking about certain artists or approaches, and >helps identify certain things that artists have in common. In >general I find labels too convenient for non-artists to pigeonhole >works that they feel compelled to comment on... > >The crew on this list probably all transcend the label, though -in one >way or another. Then Andre laFosse: >I think it's important here to draw a distinction between the term "art >form" and "musical style." Is looping an art form? Absolutely, just >like drumming, guitar playing, or any other musical craft is an art >form. But to me, that's a completely different issue than a "musical >style." > >You could put Bill Bruford, Bill Stewart, Terry Bozzio, and Virgil >Donati in a room, and they'd probably have a lot to discuss and compare >notes on. There are common threads between what they do with their >craft, and many commonalities amongst the finer point of their approach >to the art form of drumming. But would any of them say "I play drum >music" in answer to the question of what "kind" of music they play? and >Hip-hop is loop music. Trance is loop music. House is loop music. >Fela Kuti's Afrobeat is loop music. Alanis Morrisette singing over >breakbeats is loop music. "Wild Thing" is loop music. The scads of >third-rate major label bands whose parts are played once and then >cut-and-pasted into Pro Tools is loop music. I start do doubt that. If we try to include all music that repeat, looping ends up defining nothing and is not usefull. It does not look like the Hip-hop will be part of the loop festivals, nor do I feel that they join the comunity much or call themselves loopers. So why would we force them? It may be a different comunity, even if they use the same machines as we do - sometimes. and again Andre: >The dominant point of reference for how looping tends to be approached >as an instrumental craft, even today, is frequently (though certainly >not always) rooted in the tape-loop or long-delay-line paradigms. But >with the tools that are available today, it doesn't have to be that way. > It doesn't have to be hypnotic, it doesn't have to be inward-looking, >it doesn't have to be droney, and it doesn't even have to be repetitive. sure, but then if it has nothing to be, what is it? >It strikes me as thinking that's being driven by preconceptions, which I >think is hugely problematic for any art form that wants to develop. ok, freedom over all, but maybe its not preconceptions, but definitions for the artform "looping", no? Then Mark Hamburg: >When we are talking about having festivals as opposed to say conventions we >need to start worrying about how to appeal to people who don't themselves >loop. Is "looping" a useful term in that context? > >I think as an advisory to people that they better have a fair amount of >tolerance for repitition, it's useful. Most music, of course, has repitition >but like listening to Glass and Reich -- who don't really loop in anything >after their early pieces -- attending a looping performance probably >requires having a certain interest in things that will evolve from one place >to the next rather than jumping. Obviously this is not always true, but in a >lot of looping music elements repeat but frequently in an evolved form even >if that evolution is sometimes just fade outs and overdubs. Really >appreciating looping I think requires some interest in how the music comes >together and changes even if one doesn't understand the technology that >makes it possible. > >... >Personally, having gotten the evolving, swirling texture thing down >reasonably well, I've been thinking that perhaps the next challenge ought to >be melody without simply falling into the >make-some-backing-tracks-with-the-looper-and-then-solo mode. Right, Looping has been that texture thing and now evolved. And the minimal music evolved into a different direction and now does not call itselve looping music any more, so we may not include it really. Looping can evolve more in directions we dont know yet, and then still be called looping or gain a new name. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 01:56:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10056; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:52:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:52:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't currently agree. -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: PeBi Subject: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! It may seem useless for you to define things academically, but to give a name to a thing is fundamental. And to associate it to some bigger family in universe is maybe even more fundamental not just for comunication, but for our perception of what we do and want and how things work! We have discussed such issues a lot, but somehow did not conclude. So please lets do this now, to get rid of the question and form a position in society, for the benefit of all! Somehow the name for what we do has come and all agreed on it: Looping. To define it we have a little harder time. The most important for this may be its class: Looping is a subset of what? We discussed it a lot and found it is not a Style, not a Tool, not a Religion, not a way of life... but maybe an Artform? Recently Kevin of Gibson suggested to create a site about the Artform Looping. So we need to know whether its an artform and what we want to include in that site. While LD is completely open and can include anyone who is interested, the new sites content and aim shall be defined in order to make evident to press and public what they can expect as Looping. By this we gain a lot more attention as several citations express below. Is it an ARTFORM? If Music, Painting, Dancing are artforms, can looping be another one? Or some kind of a sub-artform for music, like Concert, Recording, Composition, Improvisation... or even Guitarplaying as someone suggest below? There is some essence which is not limited to music and sound. I always tried to be at least open for those other ranges, but so far not much happened, I havent heard much talk about picture-looping, for example. So I tend to simplify to "looping is a way to create and perform music". As you see below, I even tend to exclude some other "art forms" that may use looping tools, but use their own label, like Minimal Music and Rap for example. This is in general only, because those stiles can still be executed the loop way, and then maybe called Loop-Rap or so, but if any repetitive music is loop music, we probably dont get anywhere. In other words: We naturally show connections to Mantras, for example, but we dont say Mantras = Loop Music, because the public may become confused and the Indians may disagree ;-) And if it is an Artform, what is the caracteristic of it? As Andre points out, not even Repetition seems to be a characteristic any more? Or could it be that Andre+co discovered another artform? -------------------- I just made a search at LD for "artform" and "art form" and it seems that Andre LaFosse was the first one to use the term Jan 97 in: " loopers meet @namm" ...there are plenty of people like myself whose introduction to looping came primarily via Fripp's work, so there's a bit of a tendency to think that looping as a serious improvisational form began with _No Pussyfooting_ and the live application thereof with the _Exposure_ "non-tour;" I've been guilty of this sort of thinking myself. Thanks to this list, I'm becoming more and more aware of the history behind the art form all the time. -------------------- LD veteran Bryan Helm in "the proof of the pudding....", 4 Feb 1997 4-Will this group of players feel the need to congregate together at some point in the future to share performances and information, and to solcit industry to makes it's pitch and contribute to the cost of such an event? 5- Should we be telling anyone about this kind of music in that they are already listening to loops in many aspects of modern audio production and could care less about the artform. Is there a collective sense that loop oriented music deserves a better fate than most work made available for sale in this pop culture. -------------------- Brian Helm again made a strong point April 98 in : "Truth via Doubt" ...Any artist who wrestles with an "alternative" material,style, or media does so first and foremost as a personal crusade. The need to bring this work to a public forum as a measure of it's congruency with commerce, is the chief bastardization of all artisitc intent related to the honest evolution of an art form. The availability and functionality of the electronic devices we use to loop are defined by activities and motives,that favor the corporate rational over the artistic whim in the long run (with all due respect to the industry brains,cogs & moguls who populate this list). So the tools of the trade are few and far between, widely varied in capabilities, and mostly not in current production....the listening public doesn't know the difference between a constantly triggered sample or a closed loop, unless you lip synch poorly to it...and you have to figure out how much personal sacrifice (economical,emotional,etc.) you can really stand to make in the pursuit of some esoteric, ethereal, and estranging art form. ... -------------------- Paul Mimlitsch said 8 Jan 1999 in "Looping Catching on?": The main problem, as I see it, is the perception that "Loopers" (and Looping) are viewed a lot of times as "effects" as opposed to "instruments". The viewing/listening audience sees a guitar so they expect "guitar" playing, a lot of guitar player/loopers set up collages of sound then just wank the same stuff over top of it that they would if they weren't "Looping" (before any body goes balistic, think about it, then fess up - we've all done it at some point in the growth cycle). When "Looping" devices and signal processors start getting played as instruments instead of something to tack on to an already established "technique" then "Looping" might "catch on". But then again why does "Looping" have to "catch on". The listener should ideally only be taken in by the resulting music and not how it was produced. The musician should be utilizing the instruments needed to realize his vision. Limiting titles such as Loopist, Guitarist, Stick Player etc., while fine for targeting an audience, can become constricting. For the listener they raise expectations which may not be realized, for the musician they can be real detriments to growth. I think that "Looping" (as it pertains to the use of electronic looping devices) is in its infancy and will only become a stand alone art form when the devices themselves are approached by those not hampered by previous "instrumental experience" (or as done by the present masters, such as DT, RF etc., of the art that can transcend the history of their own sound generating device so that the "Looper" becomes *the* instrument.) - Paul -------------------- 4 Feb 1999 some Aaron thanks Kim in: "I think we have a winner here!": I was too concerned with the possibility of drowning in email about how cool Robert Fripp is too realize how important to this artform your information has been. -------------------- Andre LaFosse 12 Oct 2000 in: "New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm" : >My main purpose in posting this is to see if people think >that "looping" as a technique/practiced art form/what-have-you has >actually changed significantly within the last four years, particularly >in terms of the whole "guitar loop" thing. What do you think? well, this is not the question here. -------------------- A real publication: journalist Toby Gray, in a revew that Stu posted in Jan 01, speaking about the Ricks 1st Solo Bass Looping Festival - which probably was an important beggining for a lot: >such a show again. It was obvious from Steve's performance that he has spent >a good bit of effort into musically exploring and expanding this art form. >Check it out with open minds if you can. -------------------- Few days later, Rick Walker in "Answering Matthias' letter and a quip from BASS LOOPIST Max Valentino of Tehachipi": >What I've realized about this 'artform' and I'm going to unabashedly refer >to it as an artform because "what is, IS" (if you catch my drift) is >that we need to promote the hell out of it because it is artistic >life blood to do so. In the U.S. (and I really don't want to >appear to be culturally miopic, but here is where I live) >there is so little support for the 'new' and creative. Consequently, I've >decided to dedicate the rest of my life to both my art and to being >a 'cheerleader' for other peoples' art, merely because not many >people seem to be doing it. strong paragraph, Rick! Rick also started: "LOOPERS NETWORK and a renewed LOOPING FESTIVAL CALL TO ARMS!!!" in Jul 2001 -------------------- Rick again in "Open Letter to the General Looping Community" in March 02: >I demand a high wage when I tour or make recording or >soundtracks.................I also will play damn near any looping event >that I can (when scheduling permits) for free or expenses just because I >love this community and this 'artform' (I know, I know, Kim, it is not , >technically, an artform) so much. Did I miss those mails? Why is it not, Kim? -------------------- In "An Oxymoron Replies", 10 Apr 2002 Rick promissed: >Learning how to play to loops in real time is a minor artform and I would be >happy to address this issue (maybe in a thread) at some point a little later >when I am not so overwhelmed with gigs and tour preparations (the next month >or so of my life). And we did talk about it since... -------------------- 4 Jun 2002, Rick started a great thread: "Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform?" that I only read now: >Calling ourselves loopers creates a sense of family and belonging. >This feeling was very palpable, as I'm sure anyone who was there would >agree, at Hans LIndauers' LOOPSTOCK in San Luis >Obispo............enough so that >Larry O graciously wrote us up in Electronic Musician last month. > > 2) Journalists and Radio DJs are sick of the status quo................we > have not been in such a horrible static slump in mainstream > pop music in almost 30 years. Calling attention to the new technology, > Looping, both educates and gives journalists and radio/televison dj/vjs a > handle................it makes them feel like they are part of the cutting > edge.............it gets great publicity: > I'm performed on air to a million people for a total of about 3 1/2 hours in > the last three years because of my efforts to promote > 'looping'................... > > You just can't get that kind of exposure any > other way as someone who is 'out of the box' (the dominant, major label > paradigm that has strangled creativity for so long). > > 3) I'm so invested, personally (and I think we should all be as >independent > artists) in exiting that box (lawyers, contracts, distributors, labels and > usury in general). Being part of a new 'movement', such as it is, is just > a way of identifying with something that doesn't have a strong > precedent..........It's a way of getting people's attention that something > 'new' is coming. People are starved for new creativity. Mark my words, > the next 3-5 years will see a new musical explosion even in major label pop > because people are so starved for something outside of the Major >Label paradigm. Then Dan Ash: >Fact is art needs no labels in and of itself. They do provide a >convenient way of talking about certain artists or approaches, and >helps identify certain things that artists have in common. In >general I find labels too convenient for non-artists to pigeonhole >works that they feel compelled to comment on... > >The crew on this list probably all transcend the label, though -in one >way or another. Then Andre laFosse: >I think it's important here to draw a distinction between the term "art >form" and "musical style." Is looping an art form? Absolutely, just >like drumming, guitar playing, or any other musical craft is an art >form. But to me, that's a completely different issue than a "musical >style." > >You could put Bill Bruford, Bill Stewart, Terry Bozzio, and Virgil >Donati in a room, and they'd probably have a lot to discuss and compare >notes on. There are common threads between what they do with their >craft, and many commonalities amongst the finer point of their approach >to the art form of drumming. But would any of them say "I play drum >music" in answer to the question of what "kind" of music they play? and >Hip-hop is loop music. Trance is loop music. House is loop music. >Fela Kuti's Afrobeat is loop music. Alanis Morrisette singing over >breakbeats is loop music. "Wild Thing" is loop music. The scads of >third-rate major label bands whose parts are played once and then >cut-and-pasted into Pro Tools is loop music. I start do doubt that. If we try to include all music that repeat, looping ends up defining nothing and is not usefull. It does not look like the Hip-hop will be part of the loop festivals, nor do I feel that they join the comunity much or call themselves loopers. So why would we force them? It may be a different comunity, even if they use the same machines as we do - sometimes. and again Andre: >The dominant point of reference for how looping tends to be approached >as an instrumental craft, even today, is frequently (though certainly >not always) rooted in the tape-loop or long-delay-line paradigms. But >with the tools that are available today, it doesn't have to be that way. > It doesn't have to be hypnotic, it doesn't have to be inward-looking, >it doesn't have to be droney, and it doesn't even have to be repetitive. sure, but then if it has nothing to be, what is it? >It strikes me as thinking that's being driven by preconceptions, which I >think is hugely problematic for any art form that wants to develop. ok, freedom over all, but maybe its not preconceptions, but definitions for the artform "looping", no? Then Mark Hamburg: >When we are talking about having festivals as opposed to say conventions we >need to start worrying about how to appeal to people who don't themselves >loop. Is "looping" a useful term in that context? > >I think as an advisory to people that they better have a fair amount of >tolerance for repitition, it's useful. Most music, of course, has repitition >but like listening to Glass and Reich -- who don't really loop in anything >after their early pieces -- attending a looping performance probably >requires having a certain interest in things that will evolve from one place >to the next rather than jumping. Obviously this is not always true, but in a >lot of looping music elements repeat but frequently in an evolved form even >if that evolution is sometimes just fade outs and overdubs. Really >appreciating looping I think requires some interest in how the music comes >together and changes even if one doesn't understand the technology that >makes it possible. > >... >Personally, having gotten the evolving, swirling texture thing down >reasonably well, I've been thinking that perhaps the next challenge ought to >be melody without simply falling into the >make-some-backing-tracks-with-the-looper-and-then-solo mode. Right, Looping has been that texture thing and now evolved. And the minimal music evolved into a different direction and now does not call itselve looping music any more, so we may not include it really. Looping can evolve more in directions we dont know yet, and then still be called looping or gain a new name. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 01:57:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10168; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:53:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Not if you're talking about the importance of family names. Unless you mean in the Linnean classification sense. Then I start to feel the guilt. Until I suddenly feel uncertain. -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 8:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: PeBi Subject: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! It may seem useless for you to define things academically, but to give a name to a thing is fundamental. And to associate it to some bigger family in universe is maybe even more fundamental not just for comunication, but for our perception of what we do and want and how things work! We have discussed such issues a lot, but somehow did not conclude. So please lets do this now, to get rid of the question and form a position in society, for the benefit of all! Somehow the name for what we do has come and all agreed on it: Looping. To define it we have a little harder time. The most important for this may be its class: Looping is a subset of what? We discussed it a lot and found it is not a Style, not a Tool, not a Religion, not a way of life... but maybe an Artform? Recently Kevin of Gibson suggested to create a site about the Artform Looping. So we need to know whether its an artform and what we want to include in that site. While LD is completely open and can include anyone who is interested, the new sites content and aim shall be defined in order to make evident to press and public what they can expect as Looping. By this we gain a lot more attention as several citations express below. Is it an ARTFORM? If Music, Painting, Dancing are artforms, can looping be another one? Or some kind of a sub-artform for music, like Concert, Recording, Composition, Improvisation... or even Guitarplaying as someone suggest below? There is some essence which is not limited to music and sound. I always tried to be at least open for those other ranges, but so far not much happened, I havent heard much talk about picture-looping, for example. So I tend to simplify to "looping is a way to create and perform music". As you see below, I even tend to exclude some other "art forms" that may use looping tools, but use their own label, like Minimal Music and Rap for example. This is in general only, because those stiles can still be executed the loop way, and then maybe called Loop-Rap or so, but if any repetitive music is loop music, we probably dont get anywhere. In other words: We naturally show connections to Mantras, for example, but we dont say Mantras = Loop Music, because the public may become confused and the Indians may disagree ;-) And if it is an Artform, what is the caracteristic of it? As Andre points out, not even Repetition seems to be a characteristic any more? Or could it be that Andre+co discovered another artform? -------------------- I just made a search at LD for "artform" and "art form" and it seems that Andre LaFosse was the first one to use the term Jan 97 in: " loopers meet @namm" ...there are plenty of people like myself whose introduction to looping came primarily via Fripp's work, so there's a bit of a tendency to think that looping as a serious improvisational form began with _No Pussyfooting_ and the live application thereof with the _Exposure_ "non-tour;" I've been guilty of this sort of thinking myself. Thanks to this list, I'm becoming more and more aware of the history behind the art form all the time. -------------------- LD veteran Bryan Helm in "the proof of the pudding....", 4 Feb 1997 4-Will this group of players feel the need to congregate together at some point in the future to share performances and information, and to solcit industry to makes it's pitch and contribute to the cost of such an event? 5- Should we be telling anyone about this kind of music in that they are already listening to loops in many aspects of modern audio production and could care less about the artform. Is there a collective sense that loop oriented music deserves a better fate than most work made available for sale in this pop culture. -------------------- Brian Helm again made a strong point April 98 in : "Truth via Doubt" ...Any artist who wrestles with an "alternative" material,style, or media does so first and foremost as a personal crusade. The need to bring this work to a public forum as a measure of it's congruency with commerce, is the chief bastardization of all artisitc intent related to the honest evolution of an art form. The availability and functionality of the electronic devices we use to loop are defined by activities and motives,that favor the corporate rational over the artistic whim in the long run (with all due respect to the industry brains,cogs & moguls who populate this list). So the tools of the trade are few and far between, widely varied in capabilities, and mostly not in current production....the listening public doesn't know the difference between a constantly triggered sample or a closed loop, unless you lip synch poorly to it...and you have to figure out how much personal sacrifice (economical,emotional,etc.) you can really stand to make in the pursuit of some esoteric, ethereal, and estranging art form. ... -------------------- Paul Mimlitsch said 8 Jan 1999 in "Looping Catching on?": The main problem, as I see it, is the perception that "Loopers" (and Looping) are viewed a lot of times as "effects" as opposed to "instruments". The viewing/listening audience sees a guitar so they expect "guitar" playing, a lot of guitar player/loopers set up collages of sound then just wank the same stuff over top of it that they would if they weren't "Looping" (before any body goes balistic, think about it, then fess up - we've all done it at some point in the growth cycle). When "Looping" devices and signal processors start getting played as instruments instead of something to tack on to an already established "technique" then "Looping" might "catch on". But then again why does "Looping" have to "catch on". The listener should ideally only be taken in by the resulting music and not how it was produced. The musician should be utilizing the instruments needed to realize his vision. Limiting titles such as Loopist, Guitarist, Stick Player etc., while fine for targeting an audience, can become constricting. For the listener they raise expectations which may not be realized, for the musician they can be real detriments to growth. I think that "Looping" (as it pertains to the use of electronic looping devices) is in its infancy and will only become a stand alone art form when the devices themselves are approached by those not hampered by previous "instrumental experience" (or as done by the present masters, such as DT, RF etc., of the art that can transcend the history of their own sound generating device so that the "Looper" becomes *the* instrument.) - Paul -------------------- 4 Feb 1999 some Aaron thanks Kim in: "I think we have a winner here!": I was too concerned with the possibility of drowning in email about how cool Robert Fripp is too realize how important to this artform your information has been. -------------------- Andre LaFosse 12 Oct 2000 in: "New Interview & The Infamous Guitar-Loop Paradigm" : >My main purpose in posting this is to see if people think >that "looping" as a technique/practiced art form/what-have-you has >actually changed significantly within the last four years, particularly >in terms of the whole "guitar loop" thing. What do you think? well, this is not the question here. -------------------- A real publication: journalist Toby Gray, in a revew that Stu posted in Jan 01, speaking about the Ricks 1st Solo Bass Looping Festival - which probably was an important beggining for a lot: >such a show again. It was obvious from Steve's performance that he has spent >a good bit of effort into musically exploring and expanding this art form. >Check it out with open minds if you can. -------------------- Few days later, Rick Walker in "Answering Matthias' letter and a quip from BASS LOOPIST Max Valentino of Tehachipi": >What I've realized about this 'artform' and I'm going to unabashedly refer >to it as an artform because "what is, IS" (if you catch my drift) is >that we need to promote the hell out of it because it is artistic >life blood to do so. In the U.S. (and I really don't want to >appear to be culturally miopic, but here is where I live) >there is so little support for the 'new' and creative. Consequently, I've >decided to dedicate the rest of my life to both my art and to being >a 'cheerleader' for other peoples' art, merely because not many >people seem to be doing it. strong paragraph, Rick! Rick also started: "LOOPERS NETWORK and a renewed LOOPING FESTIVAL CALL TO ARMS!!!" in Jul 2001 -------------------- Rick again in "Open Letter to the General Looping Community" in March 02: >I demand a high wage when I tour or make recording or >soundtracks.................I also will play damn near any looping event >that I can (when scheduling permits) for free or expenses just because I >love this community and this 'artform' (I know, I know, Kim, it is not , >technically, an artform) so much. Did I miss those mails? Why is it not, Kim? -------------------- In "An Oxymoron Replies", 10 Apr 2002 Rick promissed: >Learning how to play to loops in real time is a minor artform and I would be >happy to address this issue (maybe in a thread) at some point a little later >when I am not so overwhelmed with gigs and tour preparations (the next month >or so of my life). And we did talk about it since... -------------------- 4 Jun 2002, Rick started a great thread: "Why I produce LOOPING FESTIVALS: is looping a valid musical artform?" that I only read now: >Calling ourselves loopers creates a sense of family and belonging. >This feeling was very palpable, as I'm sure anyone who was there would >agree, at Hans LIndauers' LOOPSTOCK in San Luis >Obispo............enough so that >Larry O graciously wrote us up in Electronic Musician last month. > > 2) Journalists and Radio DJs are sick of the status quo................we > have not been in such a horrible static slump in mainstream > pop music in almost 30 years. Calling attention to the new technology, > Looping, both educates and gives journalists and radio/televison dj/vjs a > handle................it makes them feel like they are part of the cutting > edge.............it gets great publicity: > I'm performed on air to a million people for a total of about 3 1/2 hours in > the last three years because of my efforts to promote > 'looping'................... > > You just can't get that kind of exposure any > other way as someone who is 'out of the box' (the dominant, major label > paradigm that has strangled creativity for so long). > > 3) I'm so invested, personally (and I think we should all be as >independent > artists) in exiting that box (lawyers, contracts, distributors, labels and > usury in general). Being part of a new 'movement', such as it is, is just > a way of identifying with something that doesn't have a strong > precedent..........It's a way of getting people's attention that something > 'new' is coming. People are starved for new creativity. Mark my words, > the next 3-5 years will see a new musical explosion even in major label pop > because people are so starved for something outside of the Major >Label paradigm. Then Dan Ash: >Fact is art needs no labels in and of itself. They do provide a >convenient way of talking about certain artists or approaches, and >helps identify certain things that artists have in common. In >general I find labels too convenient for non-artists to pigeonhole >works that they feel compelled to comment on... > >The crew on this list probably all transcend the label, though -in one >way or another. Then Andre laFosse: >I think it's important here to draw a distinction between the term "art >form" and "musical style." Is looping an art form? Absolutely, just >like drumming, guitar playing, or any other musical craft is an art >form. But to me, that's a completely different issue than a "musical >style." > >You could put Bill Bruford, Bill Stewart, Terry Bozzio, and Virgil >Donati in a room, and they'd probably have a lot to discuss and compare >notes on. There are common threads between what they do with their >craft, and many commonalities amongst the finer point of their approach >to the art form of drumming. But would any of them say "I play drum >music" in answer to the question of what "kind" of music they play? and >Hip-hop is loop music. Trance is loop music. House is loop music. >Fela Kuti's Afrobeat is loop music. Alanis Morrisette singing over >breakbeats is loop music. "Wild Thing" is loop music. The scads of >third-rate major label bands whose parts are played once and then >cut-and-pasted into Pro Tools is loop music. I start do doubt that. If we try to include all music that repeat, looping ends up defining nothing and is not usefull. It does not look like the Hip-hop will be part of the loop festivals, nor do I feel that they join the comunity much or call themselves loopers. So why would we force them? It may be a different comunity, even if they use the same machines as we do - sometimes. and again Andre: >The dominant point of reference for how looping tends to be approached >as an instrumental craft, even today, is frequently (though certainly >not always) rooted in the tape-loop or long-delay-line paradigms. But >with the tools that are available today, it doesn't have to be that way. > It doesn't have to be hypnotic, it doesn't have to be inward-looking, >it doesn't have to be droney, and it doesn't even have to be repetitive. sure, but then if it has nothing to be, what is it? >It strikes me as thinking that's being driven by preconceptions, which I >think is hugely problematic for any art form that wants to develop. ok, freedom over all, but maybe its not preconceptions, but definitions for the artform "looping", no? Then Mark Hamburg: >When we are talking about having festivals as opposed to say conventions we >need to start worrying about how to appeal to people who don't themselves >loop. Is "looping" a useful term in that context? > >I think as an advisory to people that they better have a fair amount of >tolerance for repitition, it's useful. Most music, of course, has repitition >but like listening to Glass and Reich -- who don't really loop in anything >after their early pieces -- attending a looping performance probably >requires having a certain interest in things that will evolve from one place >to the next rather than jumping. Obviously this is not always true, but in a >lot of looping music elements repeat but frequently in an evolved form even >if that evolution is sometimes just fade outs and overdubs. Really >appreciating looping I think requires some interest in how the music comes >together and changes even if one doesn't understand the technology that >makes it possible. > >... >Personally, having gotten the evolving, swirling texture thing down >reasonably well, I've been thinking that perhaps the next challenge ought to >be melody without simply falling into the >make-some-backing-tracks-with-the-looper-and-then-solo mode. Right, Looping has been that texture thing and now evolved. And the minimal music evolved into a different direction and now does not call itselve looping music any more, so we may not include it really. Looping can evolve more in directions we dont know yet, and then still be called looping or gain a new name. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 02:09:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12515; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:07:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:07:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:07:18 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: only a A part? In-reply-to: <20021014034049.6E1B32FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <31EAC28E-DF3B-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 03:40 AM, ernesto schnack wrote: > In fact I think a lot of "new music" has lost its appeal to most > people because > there are no standards in form. Everytime you listen to a new work you > have to figure out the form as it goes along, which can take away from > the enjoyment. I must say that the first time I heard what is now commonly called ambient music (Brian Eno's Music For Airports) I didn't know how to listen to it. My knee-jerk reaction was, "...and the song starts when?" I was looking for structure where it was not, and not looking where it was. However, I did have a lot of Pink Floyd internalized, so I wasn't starting from zero. I was actually almost angry. I felt like I almost had it... like when you try and see the 3d image on those posters? The ones with the repeating patterns? Like... you're almost there, if you can just learn HOW to SEE it... you know it's there... and then all of the sudden a light bulb goes on in your head and it's amazing to you. There it is plain as day. How could you ever have missed something so obvious? As time goes by, a trained artist (knowing what to look for and knowing it's there is half the battle) will find learning how to experience new art forms much easier. Most people, don't have the background and will tend to miss things over and over... unless they are innondated with it, or have it slipped to them sideways. What I mean by sideways is how we now find Indian music common, but we've been primed by people like George Harrison and Peter Gabreil. I've always felt that "avant guard" art's (of which there's really no such thing anymore in a pure sense) purpose to culture is to be a "meme mutation generator." The meme's then have to sink or swim just like genes do. Useful ones propagate, non useful ones die out. Sometimes a meme will lie latent for a long time, until culture finds a use for it, then it can spring up and become part of popular culture. I wrote many essays on this topic... I think if you search the web under "Mark Sottilaro meme" you'll find them archived on the ars electronica site. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 02:56:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14347; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:55:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:55:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.92.5.17] From: "R Ferguson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:54:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 06:54:39.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[90E204D0:01C2734E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well my head is still spinning from all the information in Matthias' post. It is interesting to have an historical perspective on this topic on this list.. I'm new to this list (one day strong) and can't believe that it's never occured to me to seek it out before. I've been 'looping' for about seven years now in several different combinations of instruments and musicians, most commonly however, by myself with my guitar and keyboards. Traditionally, I used a series of delays to create my layers, I always wanted a JamMan and later a Boomerang, but never seemed to have adequate funds to do so.. The first time I saw a Boss Loop Station I bought it without even trying it out. I've found that having a sample based looper has expanded my concept of what looping is to me as a musician. That said, I don't really know if there is a general classification that can be made for looping as an art form (I do believe looping to be it's own unique art form), but do you really want a generalization to be made?? The moment that you categorize something is the same moment that you create boundries and parameters. Looping is a very open ended form, which is why it exsists in so many aspects and styles of music which may be why it's so endearing and has become a passion for many of us. So I've failed to provide an adequate definition for what we do, I know what I do, but if I speak for all of us, then I'm immediately placing limitations on what the rest of you do musically, which I'm certain in some way differs from what I do musically. I do wish to explain why I define looping as an art form. The playing of any individual instrument can be defined as a form of art, playing guitar requies a different type of artistry from playing the bassoon, both are valid artistic skills, thus in my mind can be defined as unique art forms. I view the loop as an instrument in itself, whether it's a drone, or a snippet of speech or a scale of notes. The creation of the loop requires a certain degree of technique and artistry, certainly with practice anyone can do it but the artistry is what differentiates between what your loops sound like and what my loops sound like. Thus, in a way, the loop becomes an instrument onto itself unique in the players hands, making it a unique art form. Just as painting in oil and acrylic are unique art forms... I'm sure I've contradicted myself in here somewhere, I manage to do that quite a bit... Glad I'm finally here!!! I hope my post can contribute to this line of discussion as I find it very interesting.. Cheers, Ryan _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 02:59:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14530; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:58:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:58:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.92.5.17] From: "R Ferguson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oops Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:57:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 06:57:30.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6EF5AC0:01C2734E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just realized that it was Miko's post!! sorry I'm easily confused.. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 02:59:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14536; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:58:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 02:58:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Phone Numbers \(E-mail\)" Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2734f$06683b20$83d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- Thot I'd start without MG's text--less bytes--so please refer to his original (in archives if you didn't get the original)-- It's looping all right, but it's also definitely music (of one style or another, since it's audio, and probably melodic and/or rhythmic), and also tool-based. If it's an art form, that's OK, but we'll get more mileage out it if it's a POPULAR art form 8^) I'm pretty excited about Gibson finally getting behind promoting looping--heck, I'll make a recording!--and I think a lot of the things that are already on LD are appropriate for that--but who decides? And what does that do to Kim's project? Matthias said, "There is some essence which is not limited to music and sound." OK, I'll bite--what is it? If we need to characterize this manner of producing musical entertainment with delays (which is what I am assuming we all do and call it looping), I truly can't think of a better example than the recent one by Ted Killian with regard to juggling and gravity. This was spot on! What I am finding is that I enjoy certain artists who loop regardless of whether they are looping or not, and don't necessarily enjoy loop artists per se. Although technical expertise with a loop device is a requirement, IT'S NOT THE LOOPING I ENJOY, it's the music. Matthias wonders, why is looping not an art form? Or can it be called that? Well, it definitely requires skill (lemme tell ya) as well as a certain grace. And the music produced with looping devices stands apart from that which is produced with only live humans (although it can be simulated, why would you try?) (although, aren't there some Steve Reich and Phillip Glass pieces that are like this?) But it still winds up being different styles of music because it so faithfully reproduces (he he he) the intent of the artist--it's you only more of the same (dt). So I would think it's just the musical art form using a certain set of tools--like norteño uses the bajo sexto and button accordion, but you COULD play jazz with that instrumentation (hoo boy) So we could call this new music "Juggle" . . . ? Gary PS I never really know when I'm kidding, or not . . . G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 03:10:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16398; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:09:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:09:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Digitech PDS mod--Is there a pedal that does this? Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c27350$78ffc080$83d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-- Today I got a strange bird out of storage--it's a Digitech 2 second delay mounted on an old Morley pedal I had made for me back in the 80's . . . Here's what it does-- There are three knobs on the side which control feedback, delay volume and delay time--the pedal can be switched to control either feedback or delay time. Changing delay time also changes pitch on this puppy. Is there a commercially produced pedal that does this? I managed to get this unit to function, but it definitely needs some tuner cleaner and general attention--thought I'd share . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 03:11:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA16504; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:10:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:10:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: only a A part? Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <31EAC28E-DF3B-11D6-ACDB-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Mark. I like the idea of slipping it to someone sideways. Too bad that's not happening. LOL -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:07 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: only a A part? On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 03:40 AM, ernesto schnack wrote: > In fact I think a lot of "new music" has lost its appeal to most > people because > there are no standards in form. Everytime you listen to a new work you > have to figure out the form as it goes along, which can take away from > the enjoyment. I must say that the first time I heard what is now commonly called ambient music (Brian Eno's Music For Airports) I didn't know how to listen to it. My knee-jerk reaction was, "...and the song starts when?" I was looking for structure where it was not, and not looking where it was. However, I did have a lot of Pink Floyd internalized, so I wasn't starting from zero. I was actually almost angry. I felt like I almost had it... like when you try and see the 3d image on those posters? The ones with the repeating patterns? Like... you're almost there, if you can just learn HOW to SEE it... you know it's there... and then all of the sudden a light bulb goes on in your head and it's amazing to you. There it is plain as day. How could you ever have missed something so obvious? As time goes by, a trained artist (knowing what to look for and knowing it's there is half the battle) will find learning how to experience new art forms much easier. Most people, don't have the background and will tend to miss things over and over... unless they are innondated with it, or have it slipped to them sideways. What I mean by sideways is how we now find Indian music common, but we've been primed by people like George Harrison and Peter Gabreil. I've always felt that "avant guard" art's (of which there's really no such thing anymore in a pure sense) purpose to culture is to be a "meme mutation generator." The meme's then have to sink or swim just like genes do. Useful ones propagate, non useful ones die out. Sometimes a meme will lie latent for a long time, until culture finds a use for it, then it can spring up and become part of popular culture. I wrote many essays on this topic... I think if you search the web under "Mark Sottilaro meme" you'll find them archived on the ars electronica site. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 03:44:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17532; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:41:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:41:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021014014300.008aa320@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:43:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We, ourselves, have apparently named this type of music "Looping." A name usually has in it, the definition of what it names. Would Looping not simply be music which uses loops as a common thread throughout, as a prevalent element or relative focal point of the music? Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 03:55:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17846; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:45:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:45:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:44:25 +0200 Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hhhmmm, this is a very interesting thread. For me, to define looping an what I do, it can be summed up in one single word: <<>> Before I discovered looping & delays, I had so much inspirational music floating around inside my head, but when I used standard tools to try and get those ideas recorded (i.e. reel-to-reel, cubase, pen & paper etc), the process was not fast enough for me to retain the ideas that I had. It was frustrating. When I purchased the DL4, it opened up a whole new way of working.... and to a certain degree (limited only by the hardware) allowed me to transfer the inspiration inside my head into music that other people could hear. So... in my case, freedom just about sums it up :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 03:57:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18124; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:53:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 03:53:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 00:53:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021014014300.008aa320@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The versatile looper will jump through hoops and do loop de loops to find out what looping really is. That's my guess-slash-opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! We, ourselves, have apparently named this type of music "Looping." A name usually has in it, the definition of what it names. Would Looping not simply be music which uses loops as a common thread throughout, as a prevalent element or relative focal point of the music? Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 04:28:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21204; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: Another looper spotted Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 01:27:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2735b$8d4d3260$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just picked up a sweet new record- Joshua Redman- Elastic- and upon viewing the video on the cd noticed the keys player Sam Yahel has a Repeater within reach in his rig- His band plays NYC Knitting Factory tonight and tomorrow night and more- too bad he won't make it to the West coast. If anyone goes report back on how the Repeater is used- http://www.joshuaredman.com/joshua/tours/tours.cfm Cliff www.om-studios.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 06:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29043; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:40:53 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com off the cuff definition: looping: the conscious and controlled application of difference and repetition to information and/or data. brief I know, but its all I have to say on the subject dammit! no seriously matthias, I would certainly agree it is a cultural practice, but I wouldn't say that it belongs to any particular community, and certainly not a core set of indivuals. After all, the 'What is art?' debate rages eternally - who needs another? or to put it another way, by defining what 'looping' is, what we are actually doing is assimilating a pre-exisitng word for which I am sure there are many uses already in the wider community. So, to aid in all this, perhaps there needs to be some sort of narrowing of the question, like 'what is audio-looping?'. I guess that gets to my long standing niggle with the concept of looping a specifc or defined type of practice. To demonstrate, take any verb, say eating. It automatically suggests the object - food. With looping, the object of the loop isn't defined in the verb as strictly, so to take 'looping' as a concept and then apply that to what most of us on this list do for instance somewhat ignores the fact that many things loop and they don't have to have much to do with audio. you may as well call us all cyclists. or to put it yet another way, looping means so many things to so many people I don't see how you can apply a definition to it in any generalised, marketable fashion without compromising alot of peoples opinions. boy, what a big poo poo that sounds. i think i'll bugger off now -omjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 08:26:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03403; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:25:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:25:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:23:42 +0200 Subject: Software Sequenzer Question From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does someone know if it is possible to sync a softwaresequenzer like Logic to the EDP via Midi, so that it starts and stops to record in time and the loop has the same length like in the EDP? Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 08:31:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03401; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:25:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:25:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:23:39 +0200 Subject: Line6-problems From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id IAA03316 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, I have some problems with my DL4. Sometimes all four LED are on. I just can change this by unplugging the inputcable or the power. What is this? I don´t understand the programming of the unit. The manual says you can store up to three settings, but to me it seems to be much more. If i enter another delaymode, the setting is changing, though the same LED is still on. Can someone explain me this? I use an Ernie Ball Mono Volume Pedal as Expressionpedal with the DL4. It works but the soundchange happens only in the first half of the pedalaction. Is it possible to make the"Q"wider and the peak more in the middle of the action? Thanks Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 09:29:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10397; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: live gig audio Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:24:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Line6-problems Thread-Index: AcJzfQDB43pXSmnXTzi0e0MNwIYt5QACa2QQ From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 13:24:40.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D0BB1B0:01C27385] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id JAA10364 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I played another outdoor low key gig in Bloomington,IN .As it was a small show I tried out some improv stuff that was kind of out there. Well, if you want to check it out , go to http://www.dtguitar.com/spoonoct12.mp3 . it was done basically with 2 boomerangs and a jamman when it functioned correctly hha.Let me know what you think if you do check it out,much appreciated. - Denis Denis Taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 09:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10390; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:26:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:26:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <40.25ab5618.2adc1fce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:25:34 EDT Subject: Re: Plugzilla-Any looping potential here? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sine@zerocrossing.net writes: >Figure $3K for the unit, is that what they're saying? figure 20-30% less than that, if they're doing standard american business..... >then another 1 or 2k for software and that's a >very expensive box. 1-2k for software? in vst-plugs? if it'll run pluggo, super-destroy fx, smartelectronix, bubu, mda, reFX, etc, then: it has the opportunity to be *quite* a bit cheaper than that..... we'll see. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 09:39:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11932; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:36:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:36:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <30.2e806081.2adc2223@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:35:31 EDT Subject: Re: re:Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com elecluminescent@hotmail.com writes: >Well my head is still spinning from all the information in Matthias' post. not to be dismissive nor argumentative, here, but for clarity's sake: what matthias posted does not qualify as information, to me, though it does display his unique filtering perspective at work in service of motivating us-all into self-descriptor-mode. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 09:45:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12735; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:41:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:41:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1b9.7b280f5.2adc237f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:41:19 EDT Subject: Re: re:Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com elecluminescent@hotmail.com writes: >painting in oil and acrylic are unique >art forms... following that line of thinking, guitar-ing and drum-ing and sing-ing would be individuated 'artforms' --- which doesn't agree with my experience. music is the 'artform': looping is an 'interdependent instrument' and, thereby, a tool for expression therein..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 09:49:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13489; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <1a5.a3cb754.2adc2487@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:45:43 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thefates@earthlink.net writes: >We, ourselves, have apparently named this type of music "Looping." no, i haven't! and, i'm part of the 'we', here..... i call the use of looping-instruments (and all attendant, developing techniques) 'looping'..... music is music. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 09:56:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14092; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:53:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:53:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:53:28 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <-TJEXD.A.BcD.dxsq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com m-i-k-o@attbi.com writes: >The versatile looper will jump through hoops and do loop de loops to find >out what looping really is. yup, except looping isn't really *anything*; like most musical instruments/artistic techniques, it lives a healthier life (for its musltiple-parent-cultures) when its definition incorporates poetic quasi-boundaries..... i think, then, that such non-definition offers the opportunity for a deeper, longer-lasting societal effect..... which is what i believe most 'artists' strive for, wittingly or not..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 10:00:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14366; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:57:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:57:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:56:36 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i found the below-quoted to be eminently repeatable. best, dt / s-c eightohm@iinet.net.au writes: >off the cuff definition: > >looping: the conscious and controlled application of difference and >repetition to information and/or data. etc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 10:01:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15721; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:00:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:00:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021014034049.6E1B32FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> References: <20021014034049.6E1B32FD1B@server3.fastmail.fm> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:02:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: only a A part? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5Gwgg.A.D1D.S3sq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart: >Everytime you listen to a new work you >have to figure out the form as it goes along, what for? do you think that the average public knows about the form? what I like so much about "thick as a brick" is that I never found the form, even though I listened to it about 100 times... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 10:01:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14442; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:58:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021013171841.94740.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021013171841.94740.qmail@web80109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:01:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: noise issues - not a "problem" but an issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >but now i wonder what it is about loop mode that causes noise to >build up while in delay mode, even though it's always open (in that >you can always add sounds to the mix), no noise seems to get >introduced. i just don't know enough about the structure of the >designs... the only difference between the modes are really the logically slightly different functions so somehing must be fooling you. there is a noise gate in the processor path which may have been open in some of your tests (because there is a note fading out) and closed in others (because you dont feed the input). -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 11:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22833; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:36:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:36:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:32:23 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0tcD2.A.4jF.dRuq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh boy... :-| Hi Matthias, Matthias Grob wrote: > We have discussed such issues a lot, but somehow did not conclude. So > please lets do this now, to get rid of the question and form a > position in society, for the benefit of all! Already, I have a big problem with this idea. The moment that everyone on this list is of one mind and has one single consensus about what they do is the moment that we lose our diversity of opinins and approaches. If you look at what's happened with Jazz music, for instance, you'll get an idea of why this bothers me. The Ken Burns documentary is a perfect example of what I'm talking about: you have an extremely long and in-depth film that's skewed towards a certain point of view - the Wynton Marsalis/Stanley Crouch school of "neo-classicism." The material that fits THEIR definition of what Jazz "is" gets lots of coverage, while the stuff that doesn't fit their vision of what it can or cannot be included gets brushed aside. So you end up with a 10-volume anthology, with volume 10 of that anthology starting in 1961 and ending in 2000, with many, many immportant and pivotal artists being either glossed over or completely ignored because they don't fit in with the Marsalis/Crouch worldview. Now, I think it would be TRAGIC if an attempt to promote looping to the general world felt it was necessary to narrowly define what does and does not allow for inclusion, based upon aesthetic judgements rather than technical application. > To define it we have a little harder time. > The most important for this may be its class: Looping is a subset of > what? We discussed it a lot and found it is not a Style, not a Tool, > not a Religion, not a way of life... but maybe an Artform? How about this? "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio samples, or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous directions, encompassing a wide range of techniques for building, manipulating, and using loops. The technique crosses many musical boundaries and appears in a wide range of musical styles and genres." This is from Kim's intro on the front page of Looper's Delight, and it's about as inclusive and applicable of a description as I can imagine. Just like he says: numerous directions, lots of different approaches. Nothing that circumscribes or pigeonholes looping into a specific niche or aesthetic territory. > Recently Kevin of Gibson suggested to create a site about the Artform Looping. > So we need to know whether its an artform and what we want to include > in that site. > While LD is completely open and can include anyone who is interested, > the new sites content and aim shall be defined in order to make > evident to press and public what they can expect as Looping. > By this we gain a lot more attention as several citations express below. If you're trying to reach the general public, my very serious, fervent request would be to make it as wide-reaching as possible - flaunt the diversity of STYLES and GENRES that can (and DO) use looping. The more possible "areas" that are showcased, the more potential you have for sparking a newcomer's curiosity. This also makes sense from a marketing point of view. There are people out there who don't care about ambient music or new age, but are really into rap or industrial. If they realize that real-time looping can be used in the kinds of music they're interested in, they might buy a looper. If, on the other hand, they are sent the message that real-time looping is a seperate style of music, OTHER than the forms they already know and love, they might very well spend that money on a regular sampler of keyboard instead. Because the sampler or keyboard is marketed as being a tool which can be used to play various kinds of music... whereas the looper was marketed as a seperate musical style of its own. > As you see below, I even tend to exclude some other "art forms" that > may use looping tools, but use their own label, like Minimal Music > and Rap for example. I think that's really, really sad. Why draw lines in the sand? Why choose who you want to allow into the community based on stylistic orientation? Why can't a Hip-Hop artist who uses a JamMan be included? For that matter, why can't hip-hop in GENERAL be included? Because it uses pre-recorded sounds? What happens if someone uses a Repeater to play back re-recorded loops from a card? If it isn't in real time, is it no longer "loop music"? Does hip-hop have the wrong kind of stylistic or aesthetic association? I've spent much, much more time in my life listening to Public Enemy and NWA than to Robert Fripp. It took me a very long time to figure out how I could access hip-hop ideas of sound with an Echoplex, because I kept thinking of real-time looping as a way to make ambient soundscapes. Once I stopped associating the EDP with a specific musical result, and started thinking of it as an open-ended instrument without any stylistic baggage, I found myself much more intrigued by it. It's specifically for that reason that I've logged more hours on my Echoplex over the last 12 months than I did in the previous 6 years combined. > This is in general only, because those stiles > can still be executed the loop way, and then maybe called Loop-Rap or > so, but if any repetitive music is loop music, we probably dont get > anywhere. Why don't we get anywhere? Wouln't that encourage people who are into Hip-Hop to check it out if they realize there's more to real-time looping than ambient experimental guitar music with no recurring sections? (And isn't the idea of "loop-based rap" incredibly redundant?) > In other words: We naturally show connections to Mantras, for > example, but we dont say Mantras = Loop Music, because the public may > become confused and the Indians may disagree ;-) Why not say that "mantras" are one element of interest for certain particular subsets of looping? > And if it is an Artform, what is the caracteristic of it? The characteristic is a repeating piece of audio that, in its default state, loops over and over again. That's the common thread between everybody on this list, I think. It isn't the style of music we play, it's the type of instrument we play. > As Andre points out, not even Repetition seems to be a characteristic any more? It doesn't HAVE to involve repetition. There are ways of using the basic principle of an audio loop to create music which doesn't repeat (or at least doesn't do so in an obvious way). > Or could it be that Andre+co discovered another artform? I don't think of what I do as a different artform; I think of it as my particular way of playing a particular instrument. If somebody asked me what kind of music I play right now, I'd tell them it's a mix-up of hip-hop, IDM, glitchcore, and funk. "Turntablist guitar" sums it up pretty well. I certainly wouldn't tell them I play "loop music." > I just made a search at LD for "artform" and "art form" and it seems > that Andre LaFosse was the first one to use the term Jan 97 in: " > loopers meet @namm" Man, even back then I had no life! ;) > ...there are plenty of people like myself whose > introduction to looping came primarily via Fripp's work, so there's a bit > of a tendency to think that looping as a serious improvisational form > began with _No Pussyfooting_ and the live application thereof with the > _Exposure_ "non-tour;" I've been guilty of this sort of thinking myself. > Thanks to this list, I'm becoming more and more aware of the history > behind the art form all the time. Well, I think this is a perfect example of the danger of pigeonholing looping into a particular stylistic or aesthetic area. If I'd known I could play hip-hop or IDM with an Echoplex and a guitar back then, I would have delved into it much more deeply. > LD veteran Bryan Helm in "the proof of the pudding....", 4 Feb 1997 > > 4-Will this group of players feel the need to congregate together > at some point in the future to share performances and information, > and to solcit industry to makes it's pitch and contribute to the > cost of such an event? An eerily astute observation from Mr. Helm! > 5- Should we be telling anyone about this kind of music in that they > are already listening to loops in many aspects of modern audio > production and could care less about the artform. If I'm correct in interpreting this as saying, "People already listen to loop-based music all the time, so why should they be inclined to take more notice of it just because it's in real time," then I agree 1000%. > Paul Mimlitsch said 8 Jan 1999 in "Looping Catching on?": > Limiting > titles such as Loopist, Guitarist, Stick Player etc., while fine for targeting > an audience, can become constricting. For the listener they raise > expectations which may not be realized, for the musician they can be real > detriments to growth. Agree completely; I think this is what I've been trying to say all along here. > Then Andre laFosse: > >Hip-hop is loop music. Trance is loop music. House is loop music. > >Fela Kuti's Afrobeat is loop music. Alanis Morrisette singing over > >breakbeats is loop music. "Wild Thing" is loop music. The scads of > >third-rate major label bands whose parts are played once and then > >cut-and-pasted into Pro Tools is loop music. > > I start do doubt that. If we try to include all music that repeat, > looping ends up defining nothing and is not usefull. I disagree completely here. It doesn't define "nothing," it defines music based on loops! Hip-hop and Afrobeat are much, much larger influences in what I'm doing now than ambient music or new age is. I'm SURE there are people out there using these influences in other kinds of ways as well. > It does not look > like the Hip-hop will be part of the loop festivals, nor do I feel > that they join the comunity much or call themselves loopers. There are a few DJ's on this list who crop up from time to time. I think there are more who drop in for brief periods of time, but then feel like there isn't room for them to do their thing here. > So why > would we force them? It may be a different comunity, even if they use > the same machines as we do - sometimes. Describing hip-hop as a very viable example of loop-based music isn't going to force any rapper to go to a Santa Cruz looping festival. But choosing to DEFINE hip-hop as something "other than" or "outside of" or "a different community than" looping is forcing people OUT. I can't think of a single good reason for doing so, and the proposition makes me very uncomfortable. > and again Andre: > >The dominant point of reference for how looping tends to be approached > >as an instrumental craft, even today, is frequently (though certainly > >not always) rooted in the tape-loop or long-delay-line paradigms. But > >with the tools that are available today, it doesn't have to be that way. > > It doesn't have to be hypnotic, it doesn't have to be inward-looking, > >it doesn't have to be droney, and it doesn't even have to be repetitive. > > sure, but then if it has nothing to be, what is it? A tool. An instrument. A technology. A technique. A way of making music. NOT a style or genre of music. > Right, Looping has been that texture thing and now evolved. For a lot of people, it STILL is the "texture thing." Why not include that as an important and visible aesthetic area in which the tool/technique of looping is used? > And the minimal music evolved into a different direction and now does > not call itselve looping music any more, so we may not include it > really. But if the roots of minimalism are based in loop-based technologies, wouldn't it be all the more valuable to have a strong historical account of it? > Looping can evolve more in directions we dont know yet, and then > still be called looping or gain a new name. Agreed completely. Which is why I feel it's so important to NOT draw lines in the sand and choose who we want to include or exclude. Here are some quick examples to close with: - David Torn plays Repeater and Echoplex and PCM42 on records by David Bowie and Tori Amos. Are Bowie and Tori now making "loop music," or are they examples of rock artists whose music makes use of looping? - Jon Brion plays live drums, piano, and guitar one by one into a Repeater, to build up arrangements for his pop songs in real time. He does this in front of standing-room-only audiences every Friday night. Is Jon Brion playing "loop music," or his he a pop singer/songwriter who's using looping within that style? - Teo Macero uses tape loops on Miles Davis albums. Eberhard Weber and Jan Garbarek work with delay lines. Joshua Redman plays his sax into a Repeater to layer multiple-voice ostinatos in concert. Are they playing "loop music," or are they playing jazz? - Ritchie Hawtin uses a Repeater. Is he playing "loop music" or Techno? - Peter Gabrial credits himself with JamMan on his new album. Should his latest CD be filed under "loop music"? Well... I think it's possible that a new web site dedicated to spreading the word about looping could help open up a lot of people's conceptions about how the technology can be used. I also think that, if it's handled in the wrong way, it could turn a lot of people off, if it has a narrowly-defined, exclusionist sense of who is and is not invited to the party. I personally would much rather see the former option come to pass. All said with much respect, Matthias, as I hope you would understand anyway. But this is a very big step you're talking about, and I think it would be utterly tragic to handle it in the wrong way. Anyway. --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 12:03:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27013; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:01:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:55:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2739a$d94f35c0$8b07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <0ggKKB.A.GlG.-ouq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre confided: I've logged more hours on my Echoplex over the last 12 months than I did in the previous 6 years combined. This makes Andrea a very dangerous man indeed. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 12:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27058; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:02:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:02:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:01:33 +0200 Subject: Re: Line6-problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <35B58638-DF8E-11D6-993B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I have some problems with my DL4. Sometimes all four LED are on. In 2 and a half years of using my DL4, I have never seen this.... could it be a faulty unit? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 12:04:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27189; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:03:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:03:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:05:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I've found that having a sample based looper has expanded my concept >of what looping is to me as a musician. sample looping as opposed to tape looping has been coming back here, because they are tecnically and musically distinct. Part of the success of the EDP is the way it combines the two concepts... Then with the Boss you also can have prerecorded loops, which is another expansion to "real time looping" as we usually treat here. >That said, I don't really know if there is a general classification >that can be made for looping as an art form (I do believe looping to >be it's own unique art form), ok , thats a vote! >but do you really want a generalization to be made?? The moment >that you categorize something is the same moment that you create >boundries and parameters. Looping is a very open ended form, which >is why it exsists in so many aspects and styles of music which may >be why it's so endearing and has become a passion for many of us. In many discussions of this year, we came to the conclusion that its the lack of parameters and definition which makes that its a passion of so few! We certainly dont want artists to respect boundaries, but we want to give the public a reason to go to a loop concert. >So I've failed to provide an adequate definition for what we do, I >know what I do, but if I speak for all of us, then I'm immediately >placing limitations on what the rest of you do musically, which I'm >certain in some way differs from what I do musically. I do wish to >explain why I define looping as an art form. The playing of any >individual instrument can be defined as a form of art, playing >guitar requies a different type of artistry from playing the >bassoon, both are valid artistic skills, thus in my mind can be >defined as unique art forms. I view the loop as an instrument in >itself, whether it's a drone, or a snippet of speech or a scale of >notes. The creation of the loop requires a certain degree of >technique and artistry, certainly with practice anyone can do it but >the artistry is what differentiates between what your loops sound >like and what my loops sound like. Thus, in a way, the loop becomes >an instrument onto itself unique in the players hands, making it a >unique art form. Just as painting in oil and acrylic are unique art >forms... this sounds very clear to me and I hope its common sense... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 12:04:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27194; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:03:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:03:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c2734f$06683b20$83d6f343@gary> References: <000001c2734f$06683b20$83d6f343@gary> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:05:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA27099 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi-- >Thot I'd start without MG's text--less bytes--so please refer to his >original (in archives if you didn't get the original)-- >It's looping all right, but it's also definitely music (of one style or >another, since it's audio, and probably melodic and/or rhythmic), and also >tool-based. If it's an art form, that's OK, but we'll get more mileage out >it if it's a POPULAR art form 8^) so is it Loop-Music? As opposed to looping as the technique. >I'm pretty excited about Gibson finally getting behind promoting >looping--heck, I'll make a recording!--and I think a lot of the things that >are already on LD are appropriate for that--but who decides? And what does >that do to Kim's project? You mean LD? It will increase traffic, since the new site will atract musicians, too, and we will not explain the technique there, but link to LD. Apart from this, I dont think it will change a lot... >Matthias said, "There is some essence which is not limited to music and >sound." OK, I'll bite--what is it? >If we need to characterize this manner of producing musical entertainment >with delays (which is what I am assuming we all do and call it looping), I >truly can't think of a better example than the recent one by Ted Killian >with regard to juggling and gravity. This was spot on! yes, I like that picture a lot, too. Could be a animation on the site? After all, juggling as come out of the circus and is pretty popular, no? >What I am finding is that I enjoy certain artists who loop regardless of >whether they are looping or not, and don't necessarily enjoy loop artists >per se. Although technical expertise with a loop device is a requirement, >IT'S NOT THE LOOPING I ENJOY, it's the music. right, the Loop-Music? Is this term still "free"? What musicians out there in the world call their music Loop-Music, althought its not based on real time looping tools as we like it here? >Matthias wonders, why is looping not an art form? Or can it be called that? >Well, it definitely requires skill (lemme tell ya) as well as a certain >grace. And the music produced with looping devices stands apart from that >which is produced with only live humans (although it can be simulated, why >would you try?) (although, aren't there some Steve Reich and Phillip Glass >pieces that are like this?) yes, there are, but they dont call it looping, they call it Minimal-Music >But it still winds up being different styles of music because it so >faithfully reproduces (he he he) the intent of the artist--it's you only >more of the same (dt). a good one, too! >So I would think it's just the musical art form >using a certain set of tools--like norteño uses the bajo sexto and button >accordion, but you COULD play jazz with that instrumentation (hoo boy) >So we could call this new music "Juggle" . . . ? Juggle-Music? Why not? Quite a marketing effort to establish such a new Artform, but if we all agree on it, we may manage... >Gary >PS I never really know when I'm kidding, or not . . . >G yeah, its a problem... I try to be serious, for a change... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 12:05:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27196; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021014014300.008aa320@pop.earthlink.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20021014014300.008aa320@pop.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:05:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CQ: > We, ourselves, have apparently named this type of music "Looping." A >name usually has in it, the definition of what it names. Would Looping not >simply be music which uses loops as a common thread throughout, as a >prevalent element or relative focal point of the music? I thought that too, until recently. Now the majority of musicians that use loops (like drum loops in ProTools production, for example) call what they do looping, at the moment when they establish that loop, but not any more in the end, not the whole product, not their art form, see what I mean? So how do we "exclude" all the "purely tecnical looping" from our thing, which is going deeper? The most obvious is that we do "real time looping". Then again quite some members here do use non real time loops and still feel part of this family and we certainly dont want to exclude them... The painfull about a definition is that it has to fit the real world, and that its about impossible to achieve it without some distortion/abstraction of what there is... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 12:06:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27676; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:05:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:05:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:05:19 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 03:40 AM, omjn wrote: > off the cuff definition: > > looping: the conscious and controlled application of difference and > repetition to information and/or data. I'd say that's about as perfect a definition as you're going to get on this subject. Anything more specific and you're going to exclude people, and that's not useful. However, I think I know what Matthais is getting at, but it's impossible. Read a definition about what music is. Webster says," the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity" does that "really" define music? sounds kind of boring. Looping is like that too. Doesn't look good on paper, but when you experience it, BAM! If we are to become looper evangelists, we need to quit the chit chat, and get out more to do product demos and shows. More importantly, these demos have to give people the chance to try out the loop tools. That's the way you'll hook people. I attempted to get this going with Electrix when it existed, and I was ignored, but perhaps Gibson would do something like this. This way, we won't have to talk about what looping is, we can show people. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 12:21:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29584; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:19:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:19:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAAED99.261D08CD@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:15:20 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello again Mr. Grob, Matthias Grob wrote: > In many discussions of this year, we came to the conclusion that its > the lack of parameters and definition which makes that its a passion > of so few! Well, I for one never came to that conclusion. If anything, I feel an *expansion* of the commonly-held parameters of what looping is (and can be) would help its public profile. Bah humbug, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 13:04:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01101; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:02:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:02:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c273a3$e066eb60$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:05:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Arg. My $0.02 below: First, *why* do we need to define this? It seems to me that there's been a lot of discussion on this topic over the 14 months or so that I've been here. Although there are some concepts that everyone does agree on, in general, a clear categorization of "looping" as a tool, or a technique, or an artform, or an effect, or an instrument etc. has never been agreed on. And I think we should keep it that way. I won't rehash the excellent comments that Andre and Mark S. have already made on this topic. I'll just seond the notion that using (even carefully chosen) words to define something as broad and deep as the 'use of looping in music', can very likely have a negative impact on the ability to expand that concept into places where it doesn't exist today. So, what is the purpose of this definition? Is it: > Recently Kevin of Gibson suggested to create a site about the Artform Looping. > So we need to know whether its an artform and what we want to include > in that site. > While LD is completely open and can include anyone who is interested, > the new sites content and aim shall be defined in order to make > evident to press and public what they can expect as Looping. > By this we gain a lot more attention as several citations express below. > ? If so, then I think that we can start with the current LD site (first page) description of "looping". It's very broad, and acknowledges the fact that the technique can be employed in ANY musical style. Then, we immediately move the user to audio (and written) examples of looping used in a broad range of musical genres. These examples should highlight as many of the looping tools as possible - meaning everything from the EDP, Repeater, Jamman, etc. all the way to simple long delay lines, old school tape looping, even triggered and retriggered samples, etc. We're VERY VERY close to having an audio library up at the LD site, and this could be one of the greatest ways to define the evolving concept of 'the use audio loops in music'. All of us will be able to submit audio examples, with detailed descriptions. THIS is the kind of information necessary to properly describe the concept. Somehow, I'm reminded again of Elvis Costello's comment - "talking about music is like dancing about architecture". Please don't misunderstand. I think it's fantastic that someone at Gibson wants to create a site about the concept of looping, and guide people to a set of resources that can help them explore how it might work for them. I just don't think that a definition, especially one with exclusionary language and concepts, is going to help that cause. Instead, a brief description of audio looping, how it is employed in various genres, and then links to the LD community, including our soon-to-be audio library, is a much better way to engage people. Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 13:05:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01200; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:04:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:04:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Software Sequenzer Question Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:03:29 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <003401c273a3$9ec1a6f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA01147 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Carsten Wegener [mailto:carsten@tyfoo.de] > Does someone know if it is possible to sync a > softwaresequenzer like Logic to the EDP via Midi, so that it > starts and stops to record in time and the loop has the same > length like in the EDP? Carsten I tried to record audio and midiclock at the same time while having Logic synced to the EDP - but it didn't work. So I ended up recording only audio and then reclock song tempo by ear in Locic. But this got complicated as well and I left the computers and proceeded recording directly to a stereo DAT ;-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 13:09:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01653; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:08:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:08:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008f01c27371$c8459fe0$66effea9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:06:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > The characteristic is a repeating piece of audio that, in its default > state, loops over and over again. That's the common thread between > everybody on this list, I think. It isn't the style of music we play, > it's the type of instrument we play. May be useful to recall that we speak of a single "thread" even though there are no single fibers in common between the two ends. (Wittgenstein says this somewhere or other of definitions in general.) Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 13:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02326; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:19:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:19:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <15.1accd.2adc5664@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:18:28 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA02242 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com dougcox@pdq.net writes: >Somehow, I'm reminded again of Elvis Costello's comment - "talking about >music is like dancing about architecture". that was not elvis' (original) comment. i believe (but don't know) that it was either edgar varése or nicolas slonimsky that uttered that phrase..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 13:39:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03607; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004301c273a8$77d5de80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <15.1accd.2adc5664@aol.com> Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:38:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting. I had always heard it attributed to Elvis Costello. Now, based on your input, I did a little research, and found this: http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm Seems like a lot of people are confused about it's origins ;) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! dougcox@pdq.net writes: >Somehow, I'm reminded again of Elvis Costello's comment - "talking about >music is like dancing about architecture". that was not elvis' (original) comment. i believe (but don't know) that it was either edgar varése or nicolas slonimsky that uttered that phrase..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:05:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08257; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:59:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:59:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.15d76de5.2adc5fd3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:58:43 EDT Subject: Re: What looping is, is not, or might be (Was: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A tangent, perhaps, but a though I had just now . . . Last year sometime I read a book entitled "A History of Knowledge/Past, Present, and Future" by Charles Van Doren. The book is largely, generally about what one might expect -- an overview of major pivotal events and/or ideas in world (mostly western -- alas) history. The one pertinent reason I bring it up at this time is just one predictive idea that was proposed in the very short final chapter "The next 100 years." The author goes out on a limb somewhat here and makes some predictions of the future that we are already in this little LD group beginning to see the very germination of in terms of human culture and activity. He talks about it in various indirect ways, but the idea (basically) is this: computers and technology are so becoming an extension of ourselves, vastly adding new capabilities to individual people -- and will so insinuate itself completely into every possible human activity (including the arts) as to increase and/or amplify an individuals performance capabilities, that human potential will be transformed beyond it's current borders -- AND this technology will basically be more or less INDIVISIBLE from the individual. Whatever the hell devices we use to do it . . . looping is an amplification of ourselves. Sure guitar amps and PA systems make us LOUDER but loopers make us more . . . well . . . make more of US -- our musical ideas, our ability to keep a myriad of ideas going simultaneously (real-time input or not) and ability to improvise with big blocks of information (many more notes that 10 fingers can play at a time) chock-a-block, so-to-speak . . . to actually both play an instrument making notes in real time AND improvise and play with larger and larger chunks of the "big picture" of composition at the same time. Van Doren speaks of the end of the next 100 years as being a time when we have "companion computers" that we wear (or are incorporated into us physically) that help us THINK, put whole libraries in our heads, whole histories in our memories, new abilities at our fingertips, whole new art forms in our imaginations. I dunno about that . . . Admittedly the current crop of loopers are waaaaaay more primitive than any of that business. But it is kinda interesting that, whatever our "input device" -- be it a Stratocaster, a turntable, or a qwerty keyboard -- these things (looping device) become sortta connected to us by umbilicals (both of physical wires and invisible, mental ones -- ideas) to enable us to be MORE of ourselves. Because at the heart of it is still an artist of some sort. An audience's enjoyment is not necessarily helped or hindered by the knowledge that a given performer's abilities have been enhanced by looping/sampling technology. As far as the musical listening experience is concerned it may well nigh be invisible -- perhaps even should be. And stylistically . . . perhaps . . . the kind of music is pretty irrelevant (though, like electricity and rock 'n' roll, looping -- as it advances -- may usher in some new, as yet unknown, kinds and styles of music. Looping may be morphed entirely and folded into something else we haven't even imagined yet as a concept. Looping isn't an "art form" in itself . . . at least not yet anyway (IMHO). We're right at the moment that it is still just another tool . . . like when some ancient ancestor found that he could throw a small sharp rock with a lot more lethal power if it were attached to a pole (making a spear). But that doesn't mean that when it really, finally becomes part of us (say in a 100 years) that it won't be. Perhaps Andre is closer to that goal than any of us -- and even he doesn't think of it as a separate art form yet. I think looping will eventually become as much a part of music (of every kind) as electricity itself. And just as little consideration will be given it as we might give questions of what sort of wattage/voltage/amperage consumption is occurring at any given time by a band on a stage. Unless there is a shortage or there's a worry about blowing a fuse, nobody ever thinks about it --certainly not the audience. Looping will eventually be ubiquitous -- and it will be nearly invisible (or at least go practically unnoticed). It will be just another aspect of what musicians do. Something I do think of as an art form however is: the art of designing looping devices and technologies. Right now the people who design the tools we are increasingly coming to depend on are the real "looping as art form" artists. That means you Matthias and Kim, et al. Cheers, Ted Killian Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:05:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08651; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:02:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:02:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02e101c273a9$e10eb560$2e615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #290 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:47:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #290 October 10, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on ambient guitarist Jeff Pearce, who will play at The Gathering on the 19th. The Featured CD at midnight was "Vestiges" on the Jeff Pearce Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "TONTO's Expanding Head Band" by Robert Margouleff and Malcolm Cecil on the Atlantic label. PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Margouleff and Cybernaut TONTO's Expanding Head Band Malcolm Cecil (Atlantic) VA [Steve Roach] 1992 Sequences No. 27 (Sequences) Darshan Ambient The Night Watchman Selected Works Vol 3 (mp3.com) Cytrus Resonance Damage (mp3.com) Cytrus Dreamscene Damage (mp3.com) Cyber Zen Sound Engine Called from Light Auslander (N-Light-N) VA [Paul Ellis] Slowly Boating Wings Sequences No. 27 (Sequences) Stars of the Lid Atomium part one Avec Laudenum (Kranky) Stars of the Lid Atomium part two Avec Laudenum (Kranky) 12:00 am Jeff Pearce Lost Summer Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) Jeff Pearce The Outer Circle Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) Jeff Pearce With the Morning Light Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) Jeff Pearce North Refugee Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) Jeff Pearce Vestiges Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) Jeff Pearce North Nightfall Vestiges (Jeff Pearce Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jeff Pearce who uses the guitar to create synth-like soundscapes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "To the Shores of Heaven" on the Hypnos label. The vinyl show starter again will be from the LP "TONTO's Expanding Head Band" by Robert Marouleff and Malcolm Cecil on the Atlantic label. I will play the music of artists who will be performing at the next Gathering, which will feature Jeff Pearce with Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton. Plus, as a membership drive special, EMUSIC will go all night long, featuring the 10 CD box set Contemporary Works Volume 1 by Klaus Schulze. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09297; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:07:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:07:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB07C4.A38E6C68@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:07:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <15.1accd.2adc5664@aol.com> <004301c273a8$77d5de80$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, the first time I heard it was from Steve Martin. He's quite the musician too, I must say. EXCUSE ME! Mark Doug Cox wrote: > Interesting. I had always heard it attributed to Elvis Costello. Now, > based on your input, I did a little research, and found this: > > http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm > > Seems like a lot of people are confused about it's origins ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:20:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09774; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB0A12.9C2F4CCF@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:16:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3DAAED99.261D08CD@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com AARRRRRRRRGGGGGGG! I hurt myself trying to dance about Gaudi! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:23:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10093; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB0B27.2B98A71@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:21:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: SV: Software Sequenzer Question References: <003401c273a3$9ec1a6f0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7kJ6LD.A.LdC.tswq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You should be able to do this, it's not a matter of recording the time clock, it's just a matter of synching one device to another's clock. You'd need to tell your software to be the EDP's slave. Usually, I work it the other way, and have the computer be the master. I do this all the time with the Repeater. The EDPs Loop4 is a lot more adept at dealing with MIDI synch, I hear. Mark Per Boysen wrote: > > Från: Carsten Wegener [mailto:carsten@tyfoo.de] > > > Does someone know if it is possible to sync a > > softwaresequenzer like Logic to the EDP via Midi, so that it > > starts and stops to record in time and the loop has the same > > length like in the EDP? Carsten > > I tried to record audio and midiclock at the same time while having > Logic synced to the EDP - but it didn't work. So I ended up recording > only audio and then reclock song tempo by ear in Locic. But this got > complicated as well and I left the computers and proceeded recording > directly to a stereo DAT ;-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:32:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10841; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:31:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:31:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:30:02 +0200 Subject: OT: Mars Music Bankruptcy sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <15.1accd.2adc5664@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To all of you in the U.S. http://www.stamplerauctions.com/100702marsmain.htm Mars Music is selling off all of their stock in a bankruptcy auction. There is everything from instruments, midi controllers, PA's, etc. etc. etc. Who knows, there might be an EDP/Repeater or two. The inventory looks huge ($5m at cost).... Spread the word. Damn I wish I could be there. I also wish that I had money to purchase some of the said items :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:41:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11408; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:39:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:39:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB0F2F.601F3E9A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:38:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <000001c2734f$06683b20$83d6f343@gary> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about De ja Music? Matthias Grob wrote: > > > Juggle-Music? Why not? Quite a marketing effort to establish such a > new Artform, but if we all agree on it, we may manage... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 14:44:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11278; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB0EA3.37930D5C@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:36:25 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmmm while I would include both real time looping and using pre recorded loops in music as both under the term "Looping" I would probably say that if you're using pre recorded loops, you should be "performing" them in some way. No? Taking a looped bit of audio and having it loop over and over in a sequencing/hd recorder as part of a composition isn't what this is about... is it? In my mind that's more like "setting a phrase to repeat" than looping. I never think of my drum machine as a looper, but it does repeat a phrase if I tell it to. I do think it would be useful to us if we include the "live" aspect of what we do in our definition. From there, I'd then branch it out to include two main forms of live audio looping. Musician as input and Musician as prerecorded loop player. Then where do I go? I often incorporate both. Not in the sense that I'd record a loop before a show, but I'd record one during a show then manipulate it. There are times when I'm playing into a loop, while I'm using a processor and/or controller to screw with the loop... all in real time. So my definition is already one that can be easily blurred, but I do not think that is a bad thing. Mark Sottilaro Matthias Grob wrote: > >I've found that having a sample based looper has expanded my concept > >of what looping is to me as a musician. > > sample looping as opposed to tape looping has been coming back here, > because they are tecnically and musically distinct. Part of the > success of the EDP is the way it combines the two concepts... > Then with the Boss you also can have prerecorded loops, which is > another expansion to "real time looping" as we usually treat here. > > >That said, I don't really know if there is a general classification > >that can be made for looping as an art form (I do believe looping to > >be it's own unique art form), > > ok , thats a vote! > > >but do you really want a generalization to be made?? The moment > >that you categorize something is the same moment that you create > >boundries and parameters. Looping is a very open ended form, which > >is why it exsists in so many aspects and styles of music which may > >be why it's so endearing and has become a passion for many of us. > > In many discussions of this year, we came to the conclusion that its > the lack of parameters and definition which makes that its a passion > of so few! > We certainly dont want artists to respect boundaries, but we want to > give the public a reason to go to a loop concert. > > >So I've failed to provide an adequate definition for what we do, I > >know what I do, but if I speak for all of us, then I'm immediately > >placing limitations on what the rest of you do musically, which I'm > >certain in some way differs from what I do musically. I do wish to > >explain why I define looping as an art form. The playing of any > >individual instrument can be defined as a form of art, playing > >guitar requies a different type of artistry from playing the > >bassoon, both are valid artistic skills, thus in my mind can be > >defined as unique art forms. I view the loop as an instrument in > >itself, whether it's a drone, or a snippet of speech or a scale of > >notes. The creation of the loop requires a certain degree of > >technique and artistry, certainly with practice anyone can do it but > >the artistry is what differentiates between what your loops sound > >like and what my loops sound like. Thus, in a way, the loop becomes > >an instrument onto itself unique in the players hands, making it a > >unique art form. Just as painting in oil and acrylic are unique art > >forms... > > this sounds very clear to me and I hope its common sense... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:03:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14865; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:36:27 +0200 Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <02e101c273a9$e10eb560$2e615cd1@LocalHost> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 07:47 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > Spam about a radio show Sorry - but has this got anything to do with looping? I kept getting a load of these in my inbox too before I filtered them out - sometimes 5 or so a week.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:18:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15775; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:17:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:17:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: Software Sequenzer Question Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:16:54 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000301c273b6$42490900$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <3DAB0B27.2B98A71@zerocrossing.net> Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA15602 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks. I'll give it another try next time I'll be recording looping improvisations. Maybe I had missed some software setting like "record midi clock" or so..? Anyway, right now I'm putting recordings on hold for a while until I can change this soundcard for a "multiple input card" that lets me record EDP and four Repeater channels simultaneously on separate tracks. And I'm afraid I really need to record also the tempo changes (midi clock out from Repeater when synced to EDP). You see I want to mix the five track recorded performance with tempo effects (like sixteen note tremolo reverb and things alike...). And I also want to record those beautiful ritardandos the Repeaters is performing just because it doesn't manage to time strech all four track exactly on time. To my ears the drifting of timing between EDP as a master and a slaved Repeater feel very good. Best wishes Per Boysen > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > > You should be able to do this, it's not a matter of recording > the time clock, it's just a matter of synching one device to > another's clock. You'd need to tell your software to be the > EDP's slave. Usually, I work it the other way, and have the > computer be the master. I do this all the time with the > Repeater. The EDPs Loop4 is a lot more adept at dealing with > MIDI synch, I hear. > > Mark > > Per Boysen wrote: > > > > Från: Carsten Wegener [mailto:carsten@tyfoo.de] > > > > > Does someone know if it is possible to sync a > softwaresequenzer like > > > Logic to the EDP via Midi, so that it starts and stops to > record in > > > time and the loop has the same length like in the EDP? Carsten > > > > I tried to record audio and midiclock at the same time while having > > Logic synced to the EDP - but it didn't work. So I ended up > recording > > only audio and then reclock song tempo by ear in Locic. But > this got > > complicated as well and I left the computers and proceeded > recording > > directly to a stereo DAT ;-) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Per Boysen > > ________________ > > www.boysen.se > > www.fuzz.se > > www.upsweden.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:29:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16539; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <17e.102d5b85.2adc7424@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:25:24 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA16371 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com doug, >Interesting. I had always heard it attributed to Elvis Costello. Now, >based on your input, I did a little research, and found this: >http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm >Seems like a lot of people are confused about it's origins ;) indeed! in fact, i heard frank zappa say this *waaaaaay* back in the 1970's; he was quoting someone, but i don't know whom..... i vaguely remembered him mentioning either varése or slonimsky in the same breath. i did see (-but-) on the net that someone attributed this to ernest hemingway, who mouthed it when asked what he thought of varése's piece, 'ionisation'. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:36:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16805; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:28:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:28:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:28:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: One More question... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c401c273b7$dd306160$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <38.2f955215.2ad9a6db@aol.com> <004101c2722f$7e6d0ae0$080210ac@jpalmer> <005c01c27241$e4ebe220$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com not that familiar with firesign theatre actually, it's bwian's shoe that is the one true way. we must all remove one shoe to be like unto him... > That's Shoes for Industry, eh Jim? > > > master of nothing, eh? > > pretty zen sounding... > > you must be the zen master... > > follow the way of the shoe! > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:38:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17293; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:35:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.19118a6c.2adc764f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:34:39 EDT Subject: Re: What looping is, is not, or might be (Was: Please lets all sit together n... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12c.19118a6c.2adc764f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12c.19118a6c.2adc764f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/02 2:00:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > AND this technology will basically > be more or less INDIVISIBLE from the individual. > Very Interesting Ted. On the same tip/tangent, Eno kinda alluded to this in an interview he gave to WIRED Mag ages ago : http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.05/eno_pr.html Eno's words deeply resonate with me today and kinda fit in with the direction of what you have posted here. I do think Eno more or less says the same sorta things and describes his concept of what those relationships might look like and their uses to an artist - musician etc etc etc Warmest Regards, John Price/ "AKASH" "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_12c.19118a6c.2adc764f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/14/02 2:00:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


AND this technology will basically
be more or less INDIVISIBLE from the individual.


Very Interesting Ted.

On the same tip/tangent, Eno kinda alluded to this in an interview he gave to WIRED Mag ages ago :

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.05/eno_pr.html

Eno's words deeply resonate with me today and kinda fit in with the direction of what you have posted here.

I do think Eno more or less says the same sorta things and describes his concept of what those relationships might look like and their uses to an artist - musician etc etc etc

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"


--part1_12c.19118a6c.2adc764f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:41:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17601; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:37:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:37:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB1CF8.22FBDF1D@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:37:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andre makes a good point about about why Hip Hop artists dont' gravitate to this list. I think it is the name. Perhaps if we had a better name like "Loopers D" it would help... OK, now I'm getting silly. Funny, I don't associate Hip Hop with loops, but more with a style of beat and tonality, similar to the way "Rock and Roll" was defined. I for sure don't associate Andre's music with Hip Hop at all. Sorry dude, you do not have the clothes for it. Word. I do agree with Andre that we're not/ have not created or will ever create a new form of music with loopers, though new forms of music may be created by us. I mean that the loopers is the tool, just like the electric guitar pickup helped create rock and roll. How? Well, guitars are good because they're nice and portable and can lend themselfs to both lead and rhythm styles. They're also pretty affordable compared to a piano, but they're not going to be able to compeat with a horn or drums. Enter the electric guitar/amp. Now a new form (based on the old form, of course) of music can arise due to a tool that was previously unavailable. Now a blues guitarist can step into the lead melody role where before it was much more difficult. People start calling this new loud guitar based music Rock and Roll. But is it the transducer that defines the music? Not at all. It helps get you there, but it's what's being played. That transducer now finds it's way into many forms of music. It's a tool. The feeling and chord structure of the music is what defines it, not the tools used. In this way "Ambient" music was maybe facilitated by audio looping devices, but they do not define it. So Matthais, do you want to market "loop music" or your looping device? I do dissagree with Andre though as to whether or not we should think about what defines us. I think it helps talking about this. Andre's a good example of someone who stretches the term "looper..." but is he looping? Not all the time for sure. He's always recording though, and I think that's important. We're all recording something in some way... could this be it? Maybe we're not looping, but as Kim suggested a while ago, "Realtime editing." Is this closer? To what Andre does for sure, to what I do to a lesser degree, but.. well maybe not. Playing a phrase again *is* editing I suppose. Another marketing issue here is (now we're on my turf) is that "Realtime Edit Technique Music" sounds horrible. "Looping" sounds much better, though is less an accurate term. I suggested "De Ja Music" earlier, but I was joking. Sucks. I come across this all the time. We just designed a logo for Genentech, and a compromise was made and a logo that was more attractive was chosen over a logo that better communicated the concept. I think Electrix's big problem was that they didn't target the DJ market enough, even though they made the Repeater very DJ friendly. I'm not a DJ, and that's not the point, but walk into a "Guitar Center" any day and you'll find a room almost as big as the guitar section devoted to DJ gear. Looping *isn't* dance music, but it sure does facilitate it. The artists will figure out what to do with the tools, it's just a matter of getting them into the light. Notice that everyone's a DJ these days. Use that trend. I think the EDP's drawback in this matter is that there's no desernable marketing at all for this device. Gibson needs to say, "HEY! This is a great tool for making dance music!" Korg and Roland are great at this. Do you have to make dance music with their gear? Not at all, but it puts them out there. Here's what needs to happen. A-hem, excuse me while I mount this very high horse. Gibson should get a few musicians from different popular generas and have them do demo/clinics at EVERY store that sells EDPs. Show people how the EDP is perfect for minipulating a turntable, synth, sax, guitar, whatever. Make it a tour or better yet, use locals. Do this a few times, and believe me, word of mouth will do the rest. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:48:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17830; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:40:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005201c273b9$66e171f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <14e.15d76de5.2adc5fd3@aol.com> Subject: Re: What looping is, is not, or might be (Was: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do!) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:39:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A tangent, perhaps, but a thought I had just now . . . No, I don't think this is a tangent at all. Consider audio looping as a kind of "automatic instrument." When we "do looping", we function as conductor and performer. If we're improvising, add the composer role, too. We are only able to simultaneously fulfill all these roles because of the technology. In many "primitive" cultures, music, dance, and singing are inseperable. You cannot have music without dancing and singing. As most cultures develop, specialization occurs. Musicians become seperate from dancers. Then composers from performers. Some of this is probably due to awkward technology. It took a specialist to master the idiosyncrasies of old technology. Now technology is so powerful, available, and cheap that we don't need so much specialization. Arguably, the specialization was "artificial." Looping and our looping tools are a natural progression of technology. The "freedom" in looping is the freedom of an individual to create. Your only limitations are within. You have no designated role, not even a designated instrument. * * * Personally, I don't think we will hem in artists by "defining" looping. Frankly, what we say isn't *that* influential (thank God!). A good definition is a good *beginning*. In fact, why not present a different definition each time you visit the website? But to play the devil's advocate, after reading whether looping was an "artform" or not, I had to look up "artform" in the dictionary. Then I had to look up "art." Neither definition helped. Besides, a definition isn't as important as a good demo. I agree with Mark, there. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:52:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18626; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:49:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:49:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c273ba$a16187b0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <000001c2734f$06683b20$83d6f343@gary> <3DAB0F2F.601F3E9A@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:48:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <-beWrD.A.PhE.c-xq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How about De ja Music? I like it! :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18435; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:48:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:48:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006101c273ba$831f8ef0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3DAB0EA3.37930D5C@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:47:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hmmmm while I would include both real time looping and using pre > recorded loops in music as both under the term "Looping" I would > probably say that if you're using pre recorded loops, you should be > "performing" them in some way. To me, some aspect of looping must occur in real-time. If you're using pre-recorded loops, then the final decisions of which loop, when, and how long have to be real-time. But then how is that different than a DJ? Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 15:55:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18616; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:49:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:49:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAB1F22.333511BF@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:46:42 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: hat ooping is ot, or might b References: <14e.15d76de5.2adc5fd3@aol.com> <005201c273b9$66e171f0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com it seems the difinition keeps coming around to specific technology, which i find very stunting > > > Consider audio looping as a kind of "automatic instrument." When we "do > looping", we function as conductor and performer. If we're improvising, add > the composer role, too. We are only able to simultaneously fulfill all > these roles because of the technology. > > I From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 16:02:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19527; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:58:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:58:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:56:39 +0100 Subject: Making a spectacle of yourself From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA19496 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Max ("max valentino" ekstasis1@hotmail.com) wrote: > It interests me how others here are using their loopersŠ. especially those who might be working within an ensemble. If you are working within the structures of ³traditional² song forms, how does that work? I¹ve been using loopers in three settings recently, ranging from ambient/avant/improv to French tradtional music. The ambient band (www.big-hair.co.uk) features fretless bass, theremin and trombone and is essentially structured improvisation using loops now and again with various boxes and long long delays. By contrast, I play fretless bass in a five piece band (www.pauljamesmusic.com) (drums, keyboards/accordion, samples, sax/bagpipes) which plays real songs. The role of the looper is to provide digital voodoo to complement bagpipes and accordion playing. I also use atempo loops and very long delays with a pitch shifter/Ebow to play melodies/harmonies which sound like nothing else you would usually encounter in folk music. Works well. We get gigs. > The other interesting aspect of this thread is of the nature of performance. > Especially with solo loopers, there is a tendency towards ³shoe-gazing². > We might have so much going on with our feet and hands that any performance > (read: entertainment) aspect is simply impractical. I did not make it to > the recent Women¹s LoopFest, but from what I hear, there were several > performers who added a visual spectacle to some very impressive looping techniques. > This is important as what we do as musicians is directly tied to our ability > and need to communicate on some level with people who are not musicians. > People who do not play are always fascinated by our alchemical abilities to > conjure up sounds, which relate to them on various intellectual and visceral > levels. Yet, attention spans do not last that long. The > visual/entertainment aspect of our work is a great aid in our ability to communicate. Good point. I play the knobs on the DL4 and frankly it is desperately non-visual (keeps me happy, though). By contrast, Big Hair involves three visual instruments ­ a bass guitar, the sliding of a trombone and the arm waving involved in theremin playing. Also, my musical partner has long been a theatre performer too. This means that we are able to shape performance and harness his stage presence as well as his trombone/theremin skills. If you¹re asking people to pay to see you, then I think you have a duty to give them something back ­ it may be that the music you do is so fantastic that the visual side is not relevant. On the other hand, there are positive benefits for performer and audience if you spend time thinking about these things. For example, Big Hair performed at an experimental music fest where the audience had been faced with serious electronic improvisers for two days solid, most of whom could have been playing in their bedroom for all the notice they took of the two hundred people watching. We came on and spoke to, and looked at the audience ­ they responded very positively. In fact, the audience reaction made us play better. A positive feedback loop (no pun intended). One side effect of modifying the sound of a bass with all this gear is that the audience doesn¹t realise what is making the sound ­ it could be a keyboard. Generally, they don¹t care and I¹m sure this is right. To me, this underlines the point that it is the music which is most important, not the technology. The old punk rocker in me starts to get very suspicious when the gear itself becomes the reason to play. v From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 16:13:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21525; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:13:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:13:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB2538.F98D7419@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:12:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What looping is, is not, or might be (Was: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do!) References: <14e.15d76de5.2adc5fd3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6wNPoC.A.gPF.-Uyq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I could not have said it better. The spear is not hunting, but it does add new aspects to hunting. The looper isn't music, it just adds new aspects. ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > Looping isn't an "art form" in itself . . . at least not yet > anyway (IMHO). We're right at the moment that it is still > just another tool . . . like when some ancient ancestor > found that he could throw a small sharp rock with a lot > more lethal power if it were attached to a pole (making > a spear). But that doesn't mean that when it really, finally > becomes part of us (say in a 100 years) that it won't be. > Perhaps Andre is closer to that goal than any of us -- and > even he doesn't think of it as a separate art form yet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 16:28:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22173; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:26:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:26:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB2845.F5833C79@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:25:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3DAB0EA3.37930D5C@zerocrossing.net> <006101c273ba$831f8ef0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dennis Leas wrote: > > Hmmmm while I would include both real time looping and using pre > > recorded loops in music as both under the term "Looping" I would > > probably say that if you're using pre recorded loops, you should be > > "performing" them in some way. > > To me, some aspect of looping must occur in real-time. If you're using > pre-recorded loops, then the final decisions of which loop, when, and how > long have to be real-time. But then how is that different than a DJ? None at all, which is my point. I'm trying to differentiate that from audio post production where phrases may be repeated in some service to the composition. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 16:39:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23081; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:38:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:38:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:37:57 +0200 Subject: Repeater for sale: $500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DAB2538.F98D7419@zerocrossing.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just found this on the Electrix forum. I thought some of you might be interested.... > I have a hardly-used Repeater I'll sell for $500...price includes a > 128 M CF card as well as, of course, the 16 M one that came with it > the unit. I live in Mississippi, by the way, but am staying in St. > Louis for a few months and would be shipping the Repeater from here. > > You can email me at jahughes@aol.com if you're interested. Thanks. > > Y'all's, > James Hughes Sounds like a good deal, especially with the 128Meg card. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 16:56:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24479; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:55:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:55:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:59:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Off topic-SGI Indigo FS/Trade From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks- Pardon the off topic post, but I thought someone on this list might be interested- S.G.I. Indigo 2 with: 32MB RAM 1 GB disk 19" Monitor 24 bit 50Mhz Graphics OS IRIX 5.3 Alias PowerAnimator V7 Interested in musical equipment (or cash), so send me some offers! We now return to your regularly scheduled looping discussion... best- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 17:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24684; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:58:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:58:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAB2F17.53F25A35@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:54:48 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> <3DAB1CF8.22FBDF1D@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sitting by myself and having others define what I do... ;) sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Andre's a good example of someone > who stretches the term "looper..." but is he looping? Not all the time for sure. > He's always recording though, and I think that's important. Well, I disagree on both counts here. (Sorry, Mark, you had it coming after the line about my clothes! ;) First of all, I'm certainly NOT always recording. A big, big part of what I do has to do with taking material that's been recorded and then "bumping it around," by switching between loops, windowing, changing direction and playback speed, remultiplying, or redefining the length of the loop. None of this is adding any new material to the loop; it's taking material already there and shuffling it back and forth to get new musical phrases. So saying that I'm "always recording" isn't accurate. What I AM doing all the time, I would say, is looping - even if the sound isn't repeating verbatim over and over again. The reason I say that is simply because everything I'm doing is using some function or feature within the Echoplex - there's no signal processing involved. All the technical hoo-hah is able to happen in the first place because it's operating within a system which, in its default state, will repeat a phrase over and over again. If you just performed an edit to a recording, you wouldn't hear it unless you played it back again. With a looper, you ALWAYS hear it again, unless you go out of your way to stop it from repeating over and over again. So all that "real time editing" is taking place upon a loop, and implementing those edits is fundamentally based on the cyclical playback of the apparatus. And if everything is being done with a looper, then surely it falls under the "looping" category? Here's another thing: effects processing has nothing to do with looping in and of itself. Things like pitch-shifting and time-stretching have nothing inherently to do with looping; they're ways of processing sound, looped or otherwise. So I would submit the idea that using things like EDP "editing tricks" actually represents a PURER form of "looping" than does a signal processer-based approach, because it makes more fundamental use of the EDP as the sole source of dealing with the sound (aside from the input signal, of course). This is one reason why I don't like the idea of defining "looping" based on the expected end result - it makes me think of someone who wouldn't recognize a Strat through a Marshall as a "guitar" because it doesn't sound like a nylon string classical guitar, you know? If an instrument is a tool for doing something, and a looper is an instrument, and playing that particular instrument is "looping," then why not define the instrument - and the technique - by the various things it CAN possibly do? Damn, it's a nice day outside and I'm sitting in front of a computer. What's wrong with this picture... Ah well. --Andre LaFosse http://www.non-looping-real-time-audio-editing-orama.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 17:29:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29546; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:25:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:25:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021014212522.59304.qmail@web20422.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: L L Subject: Another One To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210142100.RAA26014@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2122816509-1034630722=:58813" Resent-Message-ID: <_EPCb.A.fNH.GZzq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-2122816509-1034630722=:58813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's a good point. Sometimes in the studio, for consistency, etc., (from the rec. engineer's standpoint), a drum track might be recorded from real drums and then looped, tightened up, etc. In dance, this was more prevalent in the pre-drum machine days. "Another One Bites The Dust" is a track that features this. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-2122816509-1034630722=:58813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

That's a good point.  Sometimes in the studio, for consistency, etc., (from the rec. engineer's standpoint), a drum track might be recorded from real drums and then looped, tightened up, etc.  In dance, this was more prevalent in the pre-drum machine days.  "Another One Bites The Dust" is a track that features this.



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faith.yahoo.com --0-2122816509-1034630722=:58813-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 17:31:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29758; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c273c8$753d4bc0$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> <3DAB1CF8.22FBDF1D@zerocrossing.net> <3DAB2F17.53F25A35@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:27:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great topic- haven't had the chance to read all the posts- re: Andre's last post- > What I AM doing all the time, I would say, is looping - I guess reality finally crushed your resistance to this admition- I still like you anyway. > What's wrong with this picture... You have over exposed the film with your ultra white never sees the light of day skin tone. > http://www.non-looping-real-time-audio-editing-orama.com The link does not work Andre- what gives? ;) Cliff (ultra close to gig readiness) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 17:37:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30465; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:34:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:34:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.200.129.67] Reply-To: "Jon Wagner" From: "Jon Wagner" To: References: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> <3DAB1CF8.22FBDF1D@zerocrossing.net> <3DAB2F17.53F25A35@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:36:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2002 21:33:29.0438 (UTC) FILETIME=[565D6FE0:01C273C9] Resent-Message-ID: <8NzFyD.A.rbH.Lhzq9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > First of all, I'm certainly NOT always recording. A big, big part of > what I do has to do with taking material that's been recorded and then > "bumping it around," by switching between loops, windowing, changing > direction and playback speed, remultiplying, or redefining the length of > the loop. well its not really granular synthesis, but what about "loop-ular synthesis" jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 18:11:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01015; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:10:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:10:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DAB0EA3.37930D5C@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My view on the use of pre-recorded loops is this: 1. layer them so that the intersection aurally becomes something new and 2. in Acid you can cut part of the loop out to modify it, or stretch it, or change the pitch- changing the loop from its originally recorded sound is a way of taking it and making it your own loop also -----Original Message----- From: sine@zerocrossing.net [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Hmmmm while I would include both real time looping and using pre recorded loops in music as both under the term "Looping" I would probably say that if you're using pre recorded loops, you should be "performing" them in some way. No? Taking a looped bit of audio and having it loop over and over in a sequencing/hd recorder as part of a composition isn't what this is about... is it? In my mind that's more like "setting a phrase to repeat" than looping. I never think of my drum machine as a looper, but it does repeat a phrase if I tell it to. I do think it would be useful to us if we include the "live" aspect of what we do in our definition. From there, I'd then branch it out to include two main forms of live audio looping. Musician as input and Musician as prerecorded loop player. Then where do I go? I often incorporate both. Not in the sense that I'd record a loop before a show, but I'd record one during a show then manipulate it. There are times when I'm playing into a loop, while I'm using a processor and/or controller to screw with the loop... all in real time. So my definition is already one that can be easily blurred, but I do not think that is a bad thing. Mark Sottilaro Matthias Grob wrote: > >I've found that having a sample based looper has expanded my concept > >of what looping is to me as a musician. > > sample looping as opposed to tape looping has been coming back here, > because they are tecnically and musically distinct. Part of the > success of the EDP is the way it combines the two concepts... > Then with the Boss you also can have prerecorded loops, which is > another expansion to "real time looping" as we usually treat here. > > >That said, I don't really know if there is a general classification > >that can be made for looping as an art form (I do believe looping to > >be it's own unique art form), > > ok , thats a vote! > > >but do you really want a generalization to be made?? The moment > >that you categorize something is the same moment that you create > >boundries and parameters. Looping is a very open ended form, which > >is why it exsists in so many aspects and styles of music which may > >be why it's so endearing and has become a passion for many of us. > > In many discussions of this year, we came to the conclusion that its > the lack of parameters and definition which makes that its a passion > of so few! > We certainly dont want artists to respect boundaries, but we want to > give the public a reason to go to a loop concert. > > >So I've failed to provide an adequate definition for what we do, I > >know what I do, but if I speak for all of us, then I'm immediately > >placing limitations on what the rest of you do musically, which I'm > >certain in some way differs from what I do musically. I do wish to > >explain why I define looping as an art form. The playing of any > >individual instrument can be defined as a form of art, playing > >guitar requies a different type of artistry from playing the > >bassoon, both are valid artistic skills, thus in my mind can be > >defined as unique art forms. I view the loop as an instrument in > >itself, whether it's a drone, or a snippet of speech or a scale of > >notes. The creation of the loop requires a certain degree of > >technique and artistry, certainly with practice anyone can do it but > >the artistry is what differentiates between what your loops sound > >like and what my loops sound like. Thus, in a way, the loop becomes > >an instrument onto itself unique in the players hands, making it a > >unique art form. Just as painting in oil and acrylic are unique art > >forms... > > this sounds very clear to me and I hope its common sense... > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 19:13:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05783; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:12:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:12:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> References: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:14:59 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >i found the below-quoted to be eminently repeatable. >best, >dt / s-c > >eightohm@iinet.net.au writes: > >>off the cuff definition: >> >>looping: the conscious and controlled application of difference and > >repetition to information and/or data. hm... but does this explain what we do? It may explain that we use the wrong name for what we do ;-) The situation is: some surfer hits some site which is called something like looping and now you have some seconds of his curiosity and atention to give him an impression of what it is that we do. If you manage, he will go to the CD and agenda page and maybe become a customer of some of us. I am a bit overwhelmed by all you are contributing. Much of it is on the negative side: Its not... Dont define, it may exclude... Its not possible to do it balanced and including all options... Should I tell Kevin that we dont want that publicity, since we dont know what it is we want publicity for? He came up saying that looping as artfrom deserves some publicity, it will help the music, the musicians and the manufacturers of the tools (which is his interest, of course). Should I have said: "fine, go ahead, call it how you want..."? More and more I come to the conclusion that "artform" is apropriate. DTs argument: >following that line of thinking, guitar-ing and drum-ing and sing-ing would >be individuated 'artforms' --- which doesn't agree with my experience. >music is the 'artform': does not quite hold for me, because, as others point out, the looper is the tool, just as a guitar is a tool. Now Musical Instrument is a kind of tool and a looper is a different kind of a tool. Just like a new hounting tool may just improve the old form of hounting (as a new musical instrument does), or it may create a new form: The leap from the knife to the spear allowes to keep distant from the beast! And really, the musical form that comes out of looping tends to be different, and its for this new form we need/deserve publicity. While LD includes all kinds of audio repetition, we may rather get the atention of the public of most of us, if we a narrower definition, a characteristic that is understandable/visible by the non musician. This is a first impression, later I want to treat more strong votes. Rushing off... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 19:22:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06404; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:21:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:21:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAB50E6.E02B840A@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:19:02 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6B4j5.A.ujB.aF1q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com boy, all of this is being to have the charm of Andre Breton's surrealist meetings where all that would be discussed was who was in and who was out.... -das > found the belouoted to be empeatable. > nd contrled ication of dference and > repinormation and/or data. > I am a bit ovrwhelmed by all yoont define, it may exclude... > Its not posblet that licity, since dont > know what it is we want publicity for > More and more I come to the clusion that "artform" is apropriate. > Dument: > follo--- which de to the spear allowes to keep distant > from the beast! > defi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 19:46:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07721; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAB5677.7FB119C8@zerocrossing.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:42:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> <3DAB1CF8.22FBDF1D@zerocrossing.net> <3DAB2F17.53F25A35@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > First of all, I'm certainly NOT always recording. A big, big part of > what I do has to do with taking material that's been recorded and then > "bumping it around," by switching between loops, windowing, changing > direction and playback speed, remultiplying, or redefining the length of > the loop. What I meant was that during your performances there's always a part where your guitar signal is digitized and put into a memory buffer and then at some time later played back. Recording, no? So if a loop is a phrase repeated, and you manipulate the playback so it no longer is a representation of the original phrase, is it a loop? Isn't a true loop is a repeating phrase? When we say "loop" what we're talking about really is "tape loop." A physical object. But that physical object is now gone (usually), replaced by another physical object, a big ol' memory buffer. Iron oxide replace by silicon RAM chips. Since the RAM doesn't have the limitations of the loop of tape, people like Matthais created software that let's you do all sorts of minipulation of this buffer... to the point where it's just so far away from the "tape loop" that it no longer is described by that word. Or... you can use it in a way that's exactly like a tape loop. I do know one thing, you can't take a chunk out of a tape and edit it back in somewhere else in real time. I saw a performance where a woman wearing a "data glove" was controlling a laptop running Steim's LiSa program. She had it set up so that she could use a gesture to capture her accompaniest (a sax player) and then spit it back out at a later time. Was she looping? LiSa is certainly an audio looper with realtime capabilities. Now, there was usually a time period after the recording was made and before the sample was played back. Is that gap what made it not looping? I'm not sure. I dont' think it was really looping though, but the description of filling a buffer and having it spit back out is more like what you're doing, no? Maybe the fact that it's automated and you HAVE to have it play back in some way is the difference? Again, back to the juggling analogy. Is it all about the "enevitability" of your signal coming back to haunt you when the buffer length is defined? Is that the "essence" of it all? Maybe. Mark Sottilaro P.S. Andre, you're all that and a bag of chips. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 20:23:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11056; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:22:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:22:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021014190641.02989970@mail.gamutstudio.com> X-Sender: jon@gamutstudio.com@mail.gamutstudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:21:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jon Southwood Subject: Re: Looping Fest in Iowa...How bout it? In-Reply-To: References: <200210131742.NAA20733@hemlock.violacea.com> <004201c272f1$82923560$4d62f93f@global> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kris, You are not alone...I've done looping performances here in Cedar Rapids for a year and a half, now. Usually, within the context of the quarterly "creative music" concerts coordinated by a fellow composer from the area. I have done at least one looping performance on an Iowa Composers Forum sponsored concert. Most of my time recently has been split between writing a set of choral pieces for a local group and pursuing my "gear monogamy" campaign. The gear monogamy campaign is my way of getting to know all the equipment I've accumulated by isolated each piece of equipment and playing with it until I get bored with it And then, I keep playing with it until I break out of a rut and find a new way to use the device. My hope is that by being comfortable enough with each piece of equipment separately to attempt a gig with it alone (well, and my guitar), when I begin using two devices, and then three and so on, I won't be limited in my choices and will have much greater control over everything during a performance. I'm taking it slowly, so it'll be a while before the first gear threesome. Cheers, Jon Southwood At 09:55 PM 10/13/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hey I'm looking for some fellow iowan loopers to put together a fest....or >am I the only iowan on here... > > >keep it real > >Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 20:30:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11573; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:29:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:29:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:25:54 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: repeater format reverse engineering project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9vMpjC.A.i0C.3E2q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am very interested in reverse engineering the file format format for the late lamented Electrix Repeater. I do not have enough time to do this whole project on my own so I am willing to split the task as follows. If someone is willing to do a lot of the experimenting part for the reverse engineering of the format (and I can help with that too -- I've done it before) then I will write a Java program or a set of Java programs to convert the format back and forth to .WAV files (and do the cutting and offsetting that might be needed). (I also "cross-posted" this to the Repeater forum...) /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 20:45:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12690; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:44:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:44:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9c.27d96850.2adcbec7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:43:51 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mattias, In a message dated 10/14/02 4:13:10 PM, matthias@grob.org writes: >I am a bit overwhelmed by all you are contributing. Much of it is on >the negative side: Its not... Dont define, it may exclude... [snip] >More and more I come to the conclusion that "artform" is apropriate. Pay no attention to us Matthias. It's all just semantics and the particular, fussy differences of opinion being expressed here about "ART FORM" or "NOT AN ART FORM" may just boil down to a language difference anyway. I may not particularly define looping is an "ART FORM" in my own particular way of thinking, but heck, I don't really see any harm in anybody else talking about it as such. Clearly, we can all certainly say that there is an "ART" to looping in some sense or another and no one will argue with you if you put it in those terms. I think we've been splitting hairs and getting all "philosophical" on you. If you believe in it, go ahead and do what you want. It isn't going to harm anybody, or the "cause" of looping for that matter if you do. It may even help. Who knows. You know what they say about "too many cooks" don't you. Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 20:50:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13254; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:49:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:49:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAB6537.A0A4ABFF@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:45:44 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What is being promoted? (was: define what we do!) References: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good Evening Matthias, Matthias Grob wrote: > The situation is: some surfer hits some site which is called > something like looping and now you have some seconds of his curiosity > and atention to give him an impression of what it is that we do. If > you manage, he will go to the CD and agenda page and maybe become a > customer of some of us. Well, I think a choice needs to be made in terms of what the purpose of the web site is. Are you trying to promote looping as a vast, encompassing tool? Or are you trying to promote a narrowly-defined stylistic and aesthetic group of artists, who happen to use looping in a particular manner? These are two very different aims, and my suspicion is that they're very close to being mutually exclusive. > I am a bit overwhelmed by all you are contributing. > Much of it is on the negative side: Its not... Dont define, it may exclude... > Its not possible to do it balanced and including all options... It depends on what exactly you want to do. Setting up a website showcasing all the different known styles where looping is used would be a relatively clear objective - subdivide each section according to genres, and include noteworthy artists/recordings/events in each one. So people who've never heard of Robert Fripp but really like Chet Atkins could be drawn in by his Grammy-award winning use of a JamMan in a song of the same name. Jazz fans who don't want to hear about Ritchie Hawtin's Repeater exploits could be intrigued by Bill Frisell or John Scofield's stuff. And so forth. If you genuinely want to showcase the diversity of the technique/technology/instrument of looping as a whole, it seems pretty clear that this is the way you would need to go. If, on the other hand, you want to showcase a specific and narrow focus of some of the people who use looping, and who use it in a particular kind of way and/or with a particular aesthetic in mind, then you're going to be reducing the potential appeal of the site to the general public. That means fewer visitors will be inclined to find out about it. It also means that people who visit the site and hear the select artists who are represented there will start associating "looping" with the material they heard there. If they don't like what they heard, they might pass on some other artist they WOULD have liked simply because that other person uses looping, but the listener now has a negative stylistic preconception about it in their minds. And they might not be inclined to buy a looper for themselves, because they assume it's supposed to be used for a type of music they don't want to play, or fundamentally imposes a structure they don't like. So: this is what I personally would like to see in such a website: 1) A list of lots of different musical styles where looping is used, with some well-known names in each one. A "Looping in Jazz" section with Scofield, Frisell, Josh Redman, etc. A "Jamband" section with Trey Anastasio, Keller Williams, et al. An "ambient" section with Fripp, Steve Roach, and others. An "electronica" section with Torn, Hawtin, and so forth. An "avant garde" page with Eliot Sharp and Henry Kaiser. Etc... 2) Some clear audio (and ideally, video) examples of this stuff in action. Hear exactly how Scofield uses his looper. Listen to Trey setting up his woo-woo Boomerang loops. Etc. 3) Some interviews with artists talking specifically about how they use the technology in their music. What does it mean to them, how does it change their music, and so forth. 4) An "open registery" similar to the "profiles" page on Looper's Delight, except that it can be searched according to style and genre. And let artists put a "sounds like" thing into the search engine, according to who they're closely associated with. So someone who wants to discover looping a la LTJ Bukem or Drum and Bass could do a search and discover Jump/Cut. Search for "instrumental pop" and you get Steve Lawson. Search for "modern classical" and meet Paul Dresher and Todd Reynolds. Search for "Aphex Twin" and I come up. To me, this is the best option, because it showcases the wide diversity of possible stylistic and technical applications available. Lots of artists can get exposure, and lots of different types of listeners will be inclined to poke around, because the wider the range of musics on display, the wider the pool of potential traffic (and potential customers/listeners) you'll be generating. If, on the other hand, you want to narrow the music down to a specific genre range, a specific focus of how the looper is used, and/or a specific structure/form that it imposes on the music, then you're basically creating the looping equivalent of the Joe Satriani/Steve Vai/token opening act G3 instrumental rock tour. There'll be more similarity amongst the artists involved, and you'll have an easier time "marketing those artists" to a particular audience. But you'll be promoting those particular artists at the expense of leaving out other looping artists who don't fit that mold, and losing the ears of listeners who don't dig that particular niche. Matthias, I mean all of this with a great deal of respect for you (and for Kevin, certainly), and I'm not trying to be negative in any of this. But I think the huge response posted today, and the almost unanimous nature of that response, gives some indication as to what the general feelings are amidst those of us already in the know about looping. If you, or anyone else, choose to follow through on this sort of path, it's crucial that all of the various sides have been heard, and that a clear objective be determined with exactly what, or who, such a web site is supposed to promote. Enough outta me... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 21:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15322; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:03:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:03:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004601c273e7$1ce981e0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> <3DAB6537.A0A4ABFF@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: What is being promoted? (was: define what we do!) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:06:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At the risk of repeating myself (ok, pun intended), something similar to what Andre describes below is on its way to the LD website. More specifically, a file library interface that will allow LD list members to upload audio (and other) files into categorized areas, for the purpose of demonstrating looping ideas and generating discussion. This concept was discussed briefly on the list a few weeks ago. There wasn't a lot of response to the request for input at that time (read: almost NONE), but I volunteered my time to Kim, and we have something pretty nifty almost ready to go. The search feature will be a "day 2 deliverable" as we say in the software business. However, by the time the file library grows to the size of needing such a feature, it will be there. I sincerely hope that it will be used as Andre describes. We'll see. Doug > 4) An "open registery" similar to the "profiles" page on Looper's > Delight, except that it can be searched according to style and genre. > And let artists put a "sounds like" thing into the search engine, > according to who they're closely associated with. So someone who wants > to discover looping a la LTJ Bukem or Drum and Bass could do a search > and discover Jump/Cut. Search for "instrumental pop" and you get Steve > Lawson. Search for "modern classical" and meet Paul Dresher and Todd > Reynolds. Search for "Aphex Twin" and I come up. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 21:13:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16131; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:13:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:13:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:12:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3037437A-DFDB-11D6-A9BA-0003937B76DC@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would say that Fripp was my first exposure to looping as well. At the time I considered it a technique, like slide guitar or two hand tapping. The technique informs the music. The technique shapes the musics form. Yeah, okay I think that works. On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 08:59 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > ...there are plenty of people like myself whose > introduction to looping came primarily via Fripp's work, so there's a > bit > of a tendency to think that looping as a serious improvisational form > began with _No Pussyfooting_ and the live application thereof with the > _Exposure_ "non-tour;" I've been guilty of this sort of thinking > myself. > Thanks to this list, I'm becoming more and more aware of the history > behind the art form all the time. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 21:56:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19971; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:53:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:53:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:52:47 -0400 From: Adrian Likins To: healthquestrecruiter@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech PDS mod--Is there a pedal that does this? Message-ID: <20021014215247.D18896@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <000101c27350$78ffc080$83d6f343@gary> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <000101c27350$78ffc080$83d6f343@gary>; from hqr@earthlink.net on Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:08:12AM -0700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:08:12AM -0700, hqr@earthlink.net wrote: > Hi-- > Today I got a strange bird out of storage--it's a Digitech 2 second delay > mounted on an old Morley pedal I had made for me back in the 80's . . . > Here's what it does-- > There are three knobs on the side which control feedback, delay volume and > delay time--the pedal can be switched to control either feedback or delay > time. Changing delay time also changes pitch on this puppy. > Is there a commercially produced pedal that does this? I managed to get > this unit to function, but it definitely needs some tuner cleaner and > general attention--thought I'd share . . . > Gary The Danelectro "Shift Daddy" seems to be a digital delay with a pedal used to control the delay time. See: http://www.guitarist.co.uk/gear/gear_page.asp?ID=1750 http://www.danelectro.com/shiftdad.htm http://www.danelectro.com/shiftdads.htm Never played one myself, and finding useful info on what exactly it is is difficult. The second danecectro url was recently added since there seemed to be some confusing as to what it was (reading the first url, the marketing text of which is plasted all over the net, is definately vague...) As far as I know, you can only use it to control delay time though. Also, the Digitech Space Station seems to have a couple of preset which are sorta-kindof pedal varied delay times. I belive some of the Zoom pedal boards allow you to alter delay time via the builtin expression pedal (gfx8 manual seems to indicate as much). Some of those things have some pretty bizzaro (and _very_ digital) sounds on them. Looks like you can map the pedal to feedback and wet/dry mix as well. Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 22:20:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22587; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:19:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:19:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sjt100@att.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jam Man 32 sec memory upgrade Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:19:10 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Sep 18 2002) X-Authenticated-Sender: MlorO1dEM08sXUdRQUVTT1JnVVddOkNFWkFDUGU= Message-Id: <20021015021901.LTEN6348.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc20> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have just purchased a Jam Man with 8 sec memory and upgraded it to 32 sec. The memory devices are now obsolete and I acquired some for my upgrade as well as to make available to others. The upgrade is very expensive if purchased through Lexicon or other sources. If interested in the 4 chip upgrade e-mail me or call me at (434) 525-1390. I can offer the 4 chip upgrade kit for $75 plus shipping costs. I am a musical instrument repair technician and guide you through the upgrade too. Thanks. Steve From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 14 22:52:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24614; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:51:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:51:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [172.152.2.87] From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stick Textures from Lou Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:50:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2002 02:50:24.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C73C610:01C273F5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ciao. Below please find a link to my "cut" up online demo of Chapman Stick textures. Thanks for listening Lou Rossi http://www.yourwebeddy.com/lou/ Track description: 1. Ambient Loop :51 2. Pads :23 3. Processed taping> harmonized arpeggios> "siren" 1:14 4. Dissonant Loop 1:22 5. Clean swells & overdriven harmony :51 6. E-bow solo 1:46 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 00:17:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02328; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:16:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:16:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:15:16 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1034655365 X-Sasl-enc: YhW6kFnPw97yj2jRDcaMjg Subject: Re: only a A part? Message-Id: <20021015041516.376A72FD1D@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: <29uKv.A.6j.Pa5q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:02:25 -0300, "Matthias Grob" said: > Stuart: > >Everytime you listen to a new work you > >have to figure out the form as it goes along, > > what for? > do you think that the average public knows about the form? > Actually I'm the one that said that, not Stuart. You're right, the average audience doesn't think about form. That's because most music follows some standard form. Most people know song form, whether conciously or not, and that is what they expect. The more it drifts away from that form, the harder it is to understand what's going one. It's that fine line between predictability/unpredictability. This is why #1 hits are usually very predictable. The more experienced listeners will gravitate toward more unpredictable music, because the other ones have become a little too predictable as their listening skilles improve. It's something I've thought a lot about lately. I never paid attention to form when i was studying music, but now i'm realizing how important it is in the way a listener percieves the music, esp. when listening to it for the first time. The less you are aware of the form, the easier it is to stop paying attention. Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 00:27:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05334; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:27:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:27:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021014222904.008caba0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:29:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <1a5.a3cb754.2adc2487@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That';s where the :apparently" comes in. Matthias expressed the term "looping" as a name which loopers seemingly agreed upon, in his post, and I commented on it. We, can mean simply, more than one, not necessarily all, So, WE, (I and others) may have called this music, "Looping," whereas, you and others, may not have... Smiles, CQ At 09:45 AM 10/14/02 EDT, you wrote: >thefates@earthlink.net writes: > >>We, ourselves, have apparently named this type of music "Looping." >no, i haven't! and, i'm part of the 'we', here..... >i call the use of looping-instruments (and all attendant, developing >techniques) 'looping'..... >music is music. >best, >dt / splattercell > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 00:47:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06506; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:47:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021014224853.009af9a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:48:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021014014300.008aa320@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021014014300.008aa320@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is my point though, loops exist in alot of music, especially now, and that's fine, but the idea of having them themselves as a focal point is not necessarily common to music outside of "the looping community." In dance, and by that, I mean more techno oriented dance, the idea tends to be more one of the song structure a groove, and possibly the vocal. In Rap and hip hop, it tends to be again, the groove and the Rap. With alot of pop, it's more of the hook and vocal, and visual performance. All of these use loops extensively, but none seem to stress the idea of the loops themselves, or their evolution like so called loopers do. Does this make sense? Smiles, CQ At 01:05 PM 10/14/02 -0300, you wrote: >CQ: >> We, ourselves, have apparently named this type of music "Looping." A >>name usually has in it, the definition of what it names. Would Looping not >>simply be music which uses loops as a common thread throughout, as a >>prevalent element or relative focal point of the music? > >I thought that too, until recently. Now the majority of musicians >that use loops (like drum loops in ProTools production, for example) >call what they do looping, at the moment when they establish that >loop, but not any more in the end, not the whole product, not their >art form, see what I mean? >So how do we "exclude" all the "purely tecnical looping" from our >thing, which is going deeper? >The most obvious is that we do "real time looping". Then again quite >some members here do use non real time loops and still feel part of >this family and we certainly dont want to exclude them... > >The painfull about a definition is that it has to fit the real world, >and that its about impossible to achieve it without some >distortion/abstraction of what there is... > >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 00:52:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07182; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:52:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:52:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:15:51 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9CBdI.A.CwB.075q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hhhmmm, this is a very interesting thread. > >For me, to define looping an what I do, it can be summed up in one >single word: > ><<>> ok, thats pretty much what I say when people ask me what music I play. If I say that I play the guitar, they imagine some rock stuff. If I say that I use loops, they mosty cannot imagine anything. So I say that I create a vibe of freedom and peace. Then again, Bob Dylan said that, too, so it does not really define anything, but faces clear up anyway! ;-) Probably because the concept of freedom changed its flavour... If you really think about it: freedom is not be tied up with a ongoing loop ;-) >Before I discovered looping & delays, I had so much inspirational >music floating around inside my head, but when I used standard tools >to try and get those ideas recorded (i.e. reel-to-reel, cubase, pen >& paper etc), the process was not fast enough for me to retain the >ideas that I had. It was frustrating. right! this may be some "essence" of looping: the bridge between the creation and recording process... but how do we bring that across... >When I purchased the DL4, it opened up a whole new way of >working.... and to a certain degree (limited only by the hardware) >allowed me to transfer the inspiration inside my head into music >that other people could hear. Its like trading the time limitation of multi-instrument-composing against a structural limitation (which you call "only by hardware" but it will always be there, the more complex the tool becomes, the more its operation will be the limitation) >So... in my case, freedom just about sums it up :) Ok, but how about "us"? are you saying that we play "Freedom-Music" ? ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 01:02:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08806; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021014230405.009b0330@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:04:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <17e.102d5b85.2adc7424@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA08754 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Why does quoting another make one's ideas "more valid?" They're valid anyway... lol! I like comming up with my own quotes... Smiles, CQ At 03:25 PM 10/14/02 EDT, you wrote: >doug, > >>Interesting. I had always heard it attributed to Elvis Costello. Now, >>based on your input, I did a little research, and found this: >>http://home.pacifier.com/~ascott/they/tamildaa.htm >>Seems like a lot of people are confused about it's origins ;) >indeed! >in fact, i heard frank zappa say this *waaaaaay* back in the 1970's; >he was quoting someone, but i don't know whom..... i vaguely remembered him >mentioning either varése or slonimsky in the same breath. >i did see (-but-) on the net that someone attributed this to ernest >hemingway, who mouthed it when asked what he thought of varése's piece, >'ionisation'. >best, >dt / splattercell > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 01:16:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09724; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:16:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:16:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "omjn" To: Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:15:25 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, matthias writes > I am a bit overwhelmed by all you are contributing. > Much of it is on the negative side: Its not... Dont define, it > may exclude... yes, i somewhat realised the dismissive tone of my post half way through writing it. I mean no disrespect. you have made me think a little about why my reactions were so knee jerk and I think it has a lot to do with what attracted me to looping in the first place. one of the main things is that it is still relatively undefined and as such allows us to create definitions as we go along. also, the relative obscurity of alot of musicians utilising looping has allowed them, to my reckoning, more creative freedom. that and the fact that I never felt that most looping artists belonged to that apparent industry based "thrust things down your throat until you give in" approach to music distribution. all this talk about definitions and marketing and direct involvement of multi-national corporations scares me. looping seems more about subtelty, which I pine for in this bowling ball kind of world. i think somewhere in there though is actually a really strong selling point about looping. a catchy slogan like "create the undefined", "make your music more" or "change the way you think about music" ...something like that. seriously though, if this is about marketing looping, then I don't think a definition is really necessary, but moreso a bunch of selling points. definitely the opinions put forward so far seem to reflect the idea that looping provides "a radical paradigm shift in music making", but phrases like that would appeal to a select group of people. perhaps apple computer's approach to the mac could provide a model. without knowing the desired demographics, though, it would be hard to pitch any sort of looping marketing. which brings me to a couple of questions: firstly, who is the intended focus of this marketing drive? what kind of people are you trying to attract to the sport of looping? musicians of any genre? secondly, are there particular reasons why you feel the gibson efforts should take place separate to kim's? what can this new site offer that LD can't? is there any possibility for kim to extend LD with the help of gibson? I certainly feel that there is space for more than one looping site, and your point about kim receiving more linked traffic is well received. does kim want more traffic though? would this end up costing him more money? i don't know, I'm just speculating. nor do I know kim from a bar of soap really so what right do I have to speak for his interests, but there you go. kim, any thoughts? if your looking for votes, I personally would go with mark's high horse coupled with andre's very pragmatic response. in the end though, if your looking for a catch-all or as-many-as-possible type method, perhaps jon's "loop-ular synthesis" angle is actually right on the ticket. after all, there is barely a genre of music that hasn't been touched by synthesis technologies, and much of what a looper does is about using loops real-time to synthesise new music or new compositions or new sounds or new textures or... well, I've posted more in two days than I have in two years nearly so I think I need to rest again. -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 01:54:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12173; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:46:19 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> To: "'Andre LaFosse'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c2740e$306e62e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How about this? > > "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio samples, > or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous > directions, ... > > This is from Kim's intro on the front page of Looper's Delight, and it's > about as inclusive and applicable of a description as I can imagine. I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive enough. I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 01:59:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12390; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:56:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:56:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:54:04 +0200 Subject: Re: Line6-problems From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <35B58638-DF8E-11D6-993B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id BAA12351 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 14.10.2002 18:01 Uhr schrieb Stuart Wyatt unter stuart@solostring.com: > >> I have some problems with my DL4. Sometimes all four LED are on. > > In 2 and a half years of using my DL4, I have never seen this.... could > it be a faulty unit? > I suppose there is a connection to the fact that the power-plug sometimes has contact-fall outs(Sorry, i dont know the english expression for the german "Wackelkontakt"). But since the unit is still working with the four LED´s on, that might be a wrong idea. Do you understand the programming-thing with the DL4 and give me some hint?C CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:02:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13926; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:01:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:01:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021015000325.009b4540@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:03:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <3DAB1CF8.22FBDF1D@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DAAE388.FA86E6F0@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, excellent post, thanks for sharing. I completely agree. The device is just a device, and the music can come through us. Sometimes we use these devices to help us express the music that's calling. So the idea of definition for me, ought to be self-definition. Others will define people and genras whatever way they like, regardless. If it needs to be done, then fine, it needs to be done. So precision or something reasonably close can be important. You don't want to look for a jazz recording and get a speedmetal album, -or at least I wouldn't... lol! -But the essence of jazz, or speedmetal for that matter, came from the performers doing it enough, and thus the lable. I personally don't feel the need to try to list a definition of "Looping" aside from explaining to people what it is I do when asked, but Matthias does, and has asked the question with a very well-written and well-thought-out post, so here we are. I think that the music itself can speak volumes and whatever lable people may come up with for it may apply for a while, and then as with most lables, people may find themselves feeling the need, for whatever reason, to define it more specifically and catagorize it further. this, for music, I find to be sort of annoying, and even detremental to an artist, since I've seen actual cases where it's hurt an artist's record sales, or eliminated sales completely, since, though a record company may have loved an album, they didn't know which "bin" to put it in. -and thusly, it never gets released. To me , this is awful, since it's less creativity people get to express or enjoy. -and it's just a shame. So, I think knowing what one does themselves, is really important even if it's alot of things, and not necessarily specific, if that makes any sense, but having to define what it is everyone else does on pseudo-objective terms other than their own, while important to some, can be problematic. For my part, I'll keep playing and explaining to people while having nice conversations about cool things and the wonderful and interesting world we live in. It's all happening right here, right now, one evening in the universe... Smiles, CQ At 12:37 PM 10/14/02 -0700, ou wrote: >Andre makes a good point about about why Hip Hop artists dont' gravitate to this >list. I think it is the name. Perhaps if we had a better name like "Loopers D" it >would help... > >OK, now I'm getting silly. > >Funny, I don't associate Hip Hop with loops, but more with a style of beat and >tonality, similar to the way "Rock and Roll" was defined. I for sure don't >associate Andre's music with Hip Hop at all. Sorry dude, you do not have the >clothes for it. > >Word. > >I do agree with Andre that we're not/ have not created or will ever create a new >form of music with loopers, though new forms of music may be created by us. I mean >that the loopers is the tool, just like the electric guitar pickup helped create >rock and roll. How? Well, guitars are good because they're nice and portable and >can lend themselfs to both lead and rhythm styles. They're also pretty affordable >compared to a piano, but they're not going to be able to compeat with a horn or >drums. Enter the electric guitar/amp. Now a new form (based on the old form, of >course) of music can arise due to a tool that was previously unavailable. Now a >blues guitarist can step into the lead melody role where before it was much more >difficult. People start calling this new loud guitar based music Rock and Roll. >But is it the transducer that defines the music? Not at all. It helps get you >there, but it's what's being played. That transducer now finds it's way into many >forms of music. It's a tool. The feeling and chord structure of the music is what >defines it, not the tools used. In this way "Ambient" music was maybe facilitated >by audio looping devices, but they do not define it. > >So Matthais, do you want to market "loop music" or your looping device? > >I do dissagree with Andre though as to whether or not we should think about what >defines us. I think it helps talking about this. Andre's a good example of someone >who stretches the term "looper..." but is he looping? Not all the time for sure. >He's always recording though, and I think that's important. We're all recording >something in some way... could this be it? Maybe we're not looping, but as Kim >suggested a while ago, "Realtime editing." Is this closer? To what Andre does for >sure, to what I do to a lesser degree, but.. well maybe not. Playing a phrase again >*is* editing I suppose. > > >Another marketing issue here is (now we're on my turf) is that "Realtime Edit >Technique Music" sounds horrible. "Looping" sounds much better, though is less an >accurate term. I suggested "De Ja Music" earlier, but I was joking. Sucks. I come >across this all the time. We just designed a logo for Genentech, and a compromise >was made and a logo that was more attractive was chosen over a logo that better >communicated the concept. I think Electrix's big problem was that they didn't >target the DJ market enough, even though they made the Repeater very DJ friendly. >I'm not a DJ, and that's not the point, but walk into a "Guitar Center" any day and >you'll find a room almost as big as the guitar section devoted to DJ gear. Looping >*isn't* dance music, but it sure does facilitate it. The artists will figure out >what to do with the tools, it's just a matter of getting them into the light. >Notice that everyone's a DJ these days. Use that trend. I think the EDP's drawback >in this matter is that there's no desernable marketing at all for this device. >Gibson needs to say, "HEY! This is a great tool for making dance music!" Korg and >Roland are great at this. Do you have to make dance music with their gear? Not at >all, but it puts them out there. > >Here's what needs to happen. A-hem, excuse me while I mount this very high horse. >Gibson should get a few musicians from different popular generas and have them do >demo/clinics at EVERY store that sells EDPs. Show people how the EDP is perfect for >minipulating a turntable, synth, sax, guitar, whatever. Make it a tour or better >yet, use locals. Do this a few times, and believe me, word of mouth will do the >rest. > >Mark Sottilaro > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:09:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14368; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:07:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:07:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:06:42 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA14219 Resent-Message-ID: <1n4wwB.A.aeD.XC7q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com mg, >>>looping: the conscious and controlled application of difference and >> >repetition to information and/or data. >hm... but does this explain what we do? maybe not. >It may explain that we use the wrong name for what we do ;-) >The situation is: some surfer hits some site which is called >something like looping and now you have some seconds of his curiosity >and atention to give him an impression of what it is that we do. If >you manage, he will go to the CD and agenda page and maybe become a >customer of some of us. so..... upon re-reading, i realise that i completely missed your post's paragraphs that began thusly: >>Recently Kevin of Gibson suggested to create a site about the Artform Looping. >>So we need to know whether its an artform and what we want to include >>in that site. ..... which defined the purpose of your philosophical statements that preceded them: for that, i'm sorry. (my attempts at 'les bon mots vite' is another clearcut case of postmodern premature re-verbulation gone awry.....) >I am a bit overwhelmed by all you are contributing. >Much of it is on the negative side: Its not... Dont define, it may exclude... regardless of the fact that i missed your crucial point, i did intend for my posts to be positing *something*..... >Its not possible to do it balanced and including all options... >Should I tell Kevin that we dont want that publicity, since we dont >know what it is we want publicity for? i certainly don't mean that! >He came up saying that looping as artfrom deserves some publicity, it >will help the music, the musicians and the manufacturers of the tools >(which is his interest, of course). Should I have said: "fine, go >ahead, call it how you want..."? i believe that you should do it; maybe its attendant forum would be LD, rather than its own (new) one? you & kim developed the edp, y'all are in some kinda partnership w/the gibsonians, looping (which i currently see as a musical technique, á la guitar-playing, etc, albeit a uniquely co-dependent one) needs more attention, etc etc..... >More and more I come to the conclusion that "artform" is apropriate. >DTs argument: >>following that line of thinking, guitar-ing and drum-ing and sing-ing >would >>be individuated 'artforms' --- which doesn't agree with my experience. >>music is the 'artform': further on that..... i love and am dedicated to my chosen instruments (tools). but: if i lose my hands, i'll start singing; if i lose my voice, i'll tap my feet; if i lose my hearing, i'll continue being obsessed w/the music inside. in photography, the camera is not the expression but its vehicle; in hiphop, the mpc2000 is not the expression but its vehicle; in music, the tool is not the expression but its vehicle; cultivated, the expression finds its way-to-air-&-ear by whatever circumstantially expedient path. i think. (some folks even say that the artist is just a vehicle for expression.) >does not quite hold for me, because, as others point out, the looper >is the tool, just as a guitar is a tool. >Now Musical Instrument is a >kind of tool and a looper is a different kind of a tool. is it not another (very special, culturally reflective/relevant) musical tool? (am i simply drowning in a sea of words, here?) >Just like a new hounting tool may just improve the old form of >hounting (as a new musical instrument does), or it may create a new >form: The leap from the knife to the spear allowes to keep distant >from the beast! it's still a hunting tool, though --- in service to hunter/hunting, as the looper is (thus far, i think) in service to the musician/music..... >And really, the musical form that comes out of looping tends to be >different, yes. myriad musical forms, i'd venture..... currently, i's working on a new A-D-D form..... >and its for this new form we need/deserve publicity. publicity for the edp: good! publicity for looping: good! >While LD includes all kinds of audio repetition, we may rather get >the atention of the public of most of us, if we a narrower >definition, a characteristic that is understandable/visible by the >non musician. what, like a catch-phrase, logo, marketing mnemonic type-thang? i gonna think on that. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:16:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14925; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:14:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:14:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021015001622.008b1160@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:16:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Making a spectacle of yourself In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA14865 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think the audience is a very important part of a performance. Personally, I address the audience all the time when playing, in speech, in mannerism, in physical stance, in visual aspects of the performance itself, and the music itself as well. The audience matters in all of it. -just like I, and the music matter in all of it. The audience is cool, and if you treat them that way, they and you, contribute to eachother. It all goes together to make a wonderful performance. -just my thoughts... Smiles, CQ At 08:56 PM 10/14/02 +0100, you wrote: >Max ("max valentino" ekstasis1@hotmail.com) wrote: > > >> It interests me how others here are using their loopersŠ. especially those who >might be working within an ensemble. If you are working within the >structures of ³traditional² song forms, how does that work? > >I¹ve been using loopers in three settings recently, ranging from >ambient/avant/improv to French tradtional music. The ambient band >(www.big-hair.co.uk) features fretless bass, theremin and trombone and is >essentially structured improvisation using loops now and again with various >boxes and long long delays. By contrast, I play fretless bass in a five >piece band (www.pauljamesmusic.com) (drums, keyboards/accordion, samples, >sax/bagpipes) which plays real songs. The role of the looper is to provide >digital voodoo to complement bagpipes and accordion playing. I also use >atempo loops and very long delays with a pitch shifter/Ebow to play >melodies/harmonies which sound like nothing else you would usually encounter >in folk music. Works well. We get gigs. > > > >> The other interesting aspect of this thread is of the nature of performance. >> Especially with solo loopers, there is a tendency towards ³shoe-gazing². >> We might have so much going on with our feet and hands that any performance >> (read: entertainment) aspect is simply impractical. I did not make it to >> the recent Women¹s LoopFest, but from what I hear, there were several >> performers who added a visual spectacle to some very impressive looping >techniques. > >> This is important as what we do as musicians is directly tied to our ability >> and need to communicate on some level with people who are not musicians. >> People who do not play are always fascinated by our alchemical abilities to >> conjure up sounds, which relate to them on various intellectual and visceral >> levels. Yet, attention spans do not last that long. The >> visual/entertainment aspect of our work is a great aid in our ability to >communicate. > >Good point. I play the knobs on the DL4 and frankly it is desperately >non-visual (keeps me happy, though). By contrast, Big Hair involves three >visual instruments ­ a bass guitar, the sliding of a trombone and the arm >waving involved in theremin playing. Also, my musical partner has long been >a theatre performer too. This means that we are able to shape performance >and harness his stage presence as well as his trombone/theremin skills. > >If you¹re asking people to pay to see you, then I think you have a duty to >give them something back ­ it may be that the music you do is so fantastic >that the visual side is not relevant. On the other hand, there are positive >benefits for performer and audience if you spend time thinking about these >things. For example, Big Hair performed at an experimental music fest where >the audience had been faced with serious electronic improvisers for two days >solid, most of whom could have been playing in their bedroom for all the >notice they took of the two hundred people watching. We came on and spoke >to, and looked at the audience ­ they responded very positively. In fact, >the audience reaction made us play better. A positive feedback loop (no pun >intended). > >One side effect of modifying the sound of a bass with all this gear is that >the audience doesn¹t realise what is making the sound ­ it could be a >keyboard. Generally, they don¹t care and I¹m sure this is right. To me, this >underlines the point that it is the music which is most important, not the >technology. The old punk rocker in me starts to get very suspicious when the >gear itself becomes the reason to play. > >v > > > > > > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16054; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:37:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:37:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:37:13 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20021014224853.009af9a0@pop.earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8A2C4F64-E008-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 09:48 PM, Goddess wrote: > With a lot of > pop, it's more of the hook and vocal, and visual performance. All of > these > use loops extensively, but none seem to stress the idea of the loops > themselves, or their evolution like so called loopers do. Does this > make > sense? I think it's not about the importance or the evolution of the loops that define what we do. It's the fact that we do it in a real time situation. That's the beauty and the fun of looping right? If not, why would I have purchased my Repeaters? I've got a very nice hard disk recording setup and the ability to loop patterns until the cows come home. I could simulate the effect of how I use a Repeater... but would it be the same? I think no. What's different is the live interaction between my current self, and the self of a few seconds (or minutes!) ago. I'm a new and different person, yet here are my actions haunting me. I must deal with them. I must make them understand what I've become. Together we are making the future. This is the excitement. The EDP: Send the immediate future some music... What would the you of 198 seconds from now think of the current you? Find out with Gibson's EDP. Those who don't study their past are doomed to repeat it. Save yourself the time and toil with Gibson's new EDP! Like 12 Monkeys, but with a groove... mmm twelve grooving monkeys... Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:45:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16626; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:44:25 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: <000601c2740e$306e62e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8BB7FE88-E009-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Interesting point... but I'm not sure if it's all that valid to the audience, though certainly for the musician. My guitar signal quickly becomes a stream of data that describes (more or less) the sound I played. You're data does the same thing, but more symbolic nature. To the end user (audience) it's the same, I think... However, I am very interested in using MIDI loops, though I've not done it in a live manner. This evening I experimented with my MC-307 sequencer with the click turned down... but it was hard to get time info from the blinking light. I reverted to recording a simple bass drum with a click first, then went back in and recorded new parts. How do you do you're MIDI loops? Mark Sottilaro On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:46 PM, Tim Thompson wrote: >> How about this? >> >> "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio >> samples, >> or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous >> directions, ... >> >> This is from Kim's intro on the front page of Looper's Delight, and >> it's >> about as inclusive and applicable of a description as I can imagine. > > I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive > enough. > I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, > but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. > > ...Tim... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:49:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17057; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:48:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:48:07 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001a01c27416$d1ae9fa0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <8A2C4F64-E008-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA17030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Mark Sottilaro: > would it be the same? I think no. What's different is the live > interaction between my current self, and the self of a few > seconds (or > minutes!) ago. I'm a new and different person, yet here are > my actions > haunting me. I must deal with them. I must make them > understand what > I've become. Together we are making the future. This is the > excitement. Very inspiring point, Mark! Using small time machines... :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:51:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17484; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:50:38 +0200 Subject: Re: Line6-problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <69FFE82C-E00A-11D6-993B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Carsten Wegener wrote: > Do you understand the > programming-thing with the DL4 and give me some hint? To program what you want the footpedal to control, you just have to move the desired knob on the DL4, press the pedal down, move the knob then to the maximum position that you want, and then move the pedal accordingly.... Please bear in mind that the Line6 pedal does not have a stereo connection (like most volume/expression pedals), but a mono connection. I've experimented with a 'stereo' pedal, and it was a little erratic. I've just read the above paragraph, and realise that I need to drink more coffee. Are you using the Line6 expression pedal? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17727; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:56:31 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001b01c27417$fe92d260$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <8BB7FE88-E009-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7lN_vD.A.yUE.kw7q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive > > enough. > > I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, > > but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. > > > > ...Tim... > first, then went back in and recorded new parts. How do you > do you're > MIDI loops? > > Mark Sottilaro Hi, I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I didn't continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can "freeze" a midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi looper" ;-) All the best Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 02:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17781; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:57:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:57:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DABBBD2.DE4F171F@ubuibi.org> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:55:14 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! References: <000601c2740e$306e62e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Thompson wrote: > > "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio samples, > > or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous > > directions, > > I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive enough. > I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, > but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. and one of my favorite loop devices is a kiddie turntable fitted with a roofing nail.. my point being that i do not think pidgeon-holing is needed at this time, hey does anyone have/use a melotron ? optigon ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 03:13:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20203; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:12:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:12:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009401c2741a$d06be9a0$1b8efc9e@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: Subject: Send to the immediate future... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:16:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008F_01C273F0.E68953A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C273F0.E68953A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loop IV Gibson EDP =3D> Future to The Back! Here come the Time Lords. Step into the same time stream Twice! You've never been hear before Siddhartha. Careful what you ask for,=20 you might just get your revolution. rdwiv ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C273F0.E68953A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Loop IV Gibson EDP =3D> Future to = The=20 Back!
 
Here come the Time Lords.
 
Step into the same time stream = Twice!
You've never been hear before=20 Siddhartha.
 
Careful what you ask for,
you might just get your = revolution.
 
rdwiv
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C273F0.E68953A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 04:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25102; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:01:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:01:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009001c27421$470a5f00$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:02:57 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Now THAT'S a slip that sadly applies more and more these days, thanks to lawyers trained in law school to become a "necessary transaction" to as many things as possible: "Freedom" becomes "FEEdom", when only those with money and influence control the management and execution of the Law. ****************************** Secondly, and more on-topic, I try to set the technology up so that I can do what I want - and usually, on my particular shoestrings, end up working (hopefully well) with the limited resources at hand. While I'm not always happy with the result, it doesn't mean that nobody likes it, ya? When people ask "what kind of music is it?" It depends on the situation. If they've just listened to the work, I tell them about the work they listened to, which could be: 1. "Rock" 2. "Experimental Rock" 3. "Ambient Music" 4. "Soundtrack" 5. "Ambient-Situational" I like #5 the best, for my purposes. It answers that question most of the time, and, if the person who asked in the first place is truly interested, and not just blathering on about nothing, calling it "ambient-situational" stimulates (hopefully) thinking about the work as "soundtrack for life at the moment". I suspect that when I have the time to go on and on about What I Do, I'm not doing whatever It is. I *do* know that What I Do is certainly *not* talking about It, nor teaching anyone to do It. Instead I prefer to, as the Nike ads used to say, "Just Do It". Enjoy! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 04:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26120; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:09:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:09:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009001c27421$470a5f00$0201a8c0@eluk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But when the situation ends- oh, how sad the music. -----Original Message----- From: S.P. Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Now THAT'S a slip that sadly applies more and more these days, thanks to lawyers trained in law school to become a "necessary transaction" to as many things as possible: "Freedom" becomes "FEEdom", when only those with money and influence control the management and execution of the Law. ****************************** Secondly, and more on-topic, I try to set the technology up so that I can do what I want - and usually, on my particular shoestrings, end up working (hopefully well) with the limited resources at hand. While I'm not always happy with the result, it doesn't mean that nobody likes it, ya? When people ask "what kind of music is it?" It depends on the situation. If they've just listened to the work, I tell them about the work they listened to, which could be: 1. "Rock" 2. "Experimental Rock" 3. "Ambient Music" 4. "Soundtrack" 5. "Ambient-Situational" I like #5 the best, for my purposes. It answers that question most of the time, and, if the person who asked in the first place is truly interested, and not just blathering on about nothing, calling it "ambient-situational" stimulates (hopefully) thinking about the work as "soundtrack for life at the moment". I suspect that when I have the time to go on and on about What I Do, I'm not doing whatever It is. I *do* know that What I Do is certainly *not* talking about It, nor teaching anyone to do It. Instead I prefer to, as the Nike ads used to say, "Just Do It". Enjoy! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 04:33:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27620; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Send to the immediate future... Message-ID: <1034670786.3dabd2c2c6cfa@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 04:33:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <009401c2741a$d06be9a0$1b8efc9e@hppav> In-Reply-To: <009401c2741a$d06be9a0$1b8efc9e@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Rick Williamson : > Loop IV Gibson EDP => Future to The Back! > > Here come the Time Lords. > > Step into the same time stream Twice! > You've never been hear before Siddhartha. what happens when the Celestial Toymaker hits "reverse" on his Time Loop? does the Tardis have an EDP in it's console for such emergencies? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 05:03:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30747; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:02:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:02:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DABDA9C.D128A67B@lb-o.inet.fi> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:06:45 +0300 From: Markus Lahtinen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Finland calling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I'm just learning the possibilities of looping on-stage and am willing to get some guidange on the matter. What other looper apart from Repeater would do the trick of recording loops to different tracks wich can be put out and brought back again ... ? I once tried Repeater and it seemed to be the tool for the work I do. But as it has been impossible to purchase , I'm left with no options that I would know of. Apart from the bands I play as bassist I started to do shows with contemporary (hateful word) circus-artists, mainly jugglers, two Finns and a guy from Minneapolis, as a one-man band. After few projects playing over stuff that I'd recorded on a 4- track casette player, I borrowed my friends JamMan, wich obviously changed the way I did my music onstage. In the shows I'm playing lots of instruments and as I want to get rid of all the pre-recorded stuff the JamMan is not capable of doing the stuff I'd like to do inside a loop while the guys do their wierd juggling on-stage :) Besides the JamaMan is not mine and it's starting to give some ugly surprises. Summer 2001 we were performing in Paris in a festival and the after 15 min the JamMan decided to do only 3 sec. loops instead of the 8 sec. So I played 3 sec. loops for the rest of the show ... I have it on video ... goddamit ... Thanks Markus ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.lb-o.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 05:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA31753; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:24:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:24:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Send to the immediate future... Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1034670786.3dabd2c2c6cfa@www.suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <0Dh5XC.A.ovH.k69q9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You just watch, wait, and hope he stops when you hit puberty again. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Send to the immediate future... Quoting Rick Williamson : > Loop IV Gibson EDP => Future to The Back! > > Here come the Time Lords. > > Step into the same time stream Twice! > You've never been hear before Siddhartha. what happens when the Celestial Toymaker hits "reverse" on his Time Loop? does the Tardis have an EDP in it's console for such emergencies? Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 06:45:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04075; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 06:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:50:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2002 10:38:34.0330 (UTC) FILETIME=[03118BA0:01C27437] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com funny old thread this... I always thought a looper was just an effect pedal... I wonder if they're having such a tricky time defining what they do over at "Distortion Delight"? you know we are just using a device for somthing that musicians been doing for ever? Tis called From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 09:48:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18037; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:44:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:44:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <180.f8e0ac2.2add755f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:42:55 EDT Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/15/2002 2:58:33 AM, das@ubuibi.org writes: >my point being that i do not think pidgeon-holing is needed at this time, > >hey does anyone have/use a melotron ? optigon ? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 09:57:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19062; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021014190641.02989970@mail.gamutstudio.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021014190641.02989970@mail.gamutstudio.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:47:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Looping Fest in Iowa...How bout it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1EAXsC.A.HpE.D4Br9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com kris, john, i'm in iowa city (ia). ia looping fest would be interesting. am curious how many people from ia are on this list (i know andre is from here originally). do you guys have any examples of your looping work? if so please email me off list, always curious what others do... i could send you my latest project also. and it also looks like mp3 approved my last loop ex. that i uploaded: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/452/hsacnostetn.html the one called: "sci-fi extravaganza" is new. it's orginally called "lucasfilm sci-fi extravaganza", guess using a copyrighted name is not good for mp3. but getting to know your equipment and what it can do is very good. funny about all this "justifying" stuff. when you look at all the music categories on mp3 when you try to upload your stuff--i mean we're categorizing stuff to death. what ever happened to plain ole music. when i sit down to play, i don't think i'm going to create "loop music" for a minute, then play some folk stuff, then this and that, i just play. if i turn on a long delay and play against that, is it different? no. just reminds me of grad school for art back in the '90's. so concerned about finding my place in the "mythical/imaginary timeline of art history" --you worry about the stupid crap, and don't focus on what's important. just doing it, trying to find your way, stumbling, sometimes really hitting something good.... sorry for the ramble... s--- >Kris, > >You are not alone...I've done looping performances here in Cedar >Rapids for a year and a half, now. Usually, within the context of >the quarterly "creative music" concerts coordinated by a fellow >composer from the area. I have done at least one looping >performance on an Iowa Composers Forum sponsored concert. > >Most of my time recently has been split between writing a set of >choral pieces for a local group and pursuing my "gear monogamy" >campaign. The gear monogamy campaign is my way of getting to know >all the equipment I've accumulated by isolated each piece of >equipment and playing with it until I get bored with it And then, I >keep playing with it until I break out of a rut and find a new way >to use the device. My hope is that by being comfortable enough with >each piece of equipment separately to attempt a gig with it alone >(well, and my guitar), when I begin using two devices, and then >three and so on, I won't be limited in my choices and will have much >greater control over everything during a performance. I'm taking it >slowly, so it'll be a while before the first gear threesome. > >Cheers, > >Jon Southwood > >At 09:55 PM 10/13/02 -0500, you wrote: >>Hey I'm looking for some fellow iowan loopers to put together a fest....or >>am I the only iowan on here... >> >> >>keep it real >> >>Kris -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 09:59:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19167; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:55:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:55:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <18.2736101c.2add7843@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:55:15 EDT Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com das@ubuibi.org writes: >my point being that i do not think pidgeon-holing is needed at this time, matthias -(designer of edp)- is trying to enlist your helpful suggestions for the new gibson-sponsored 'looping-as-artform' website..... hence, his request for attractive verbal representations of looping..... >hey does anyone have/use a melotron ? optigon ? i have an optigan, w/all discs. while fixing it (2 years ago), i broke it; it lives in a storage closet, now. so, david keane borrowed my discs (and some other folks') for a while, and built a very nice commercially-available sample-set (see: www.optigan.com) --- obviously, it's not the lovelyrealdeal user-interface nor the busting-speaker-tone, but..... best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 10:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21506; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:02:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:02:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:54:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The painter, Philip Guston (1913-1980) said in the 70's, that all an artist has is freedom (paraphrase-he said it much more eloquently of course). he also said, in talking about method, etc: (also paraphrase) that there is a lot of preparation for a few moments of innocence. s--- >>Hhhmmm, this is a very interesting thread. >> >>For me, to define looping an what I do, it can be summed up in one >>single word: >> >><<>> > >ok, thats pretty much what I say when people ask me what music I play. >If I say that I play the guitar, they imagine some rock stuff. >If I say that I use loops, they mosty cannot imagine anything. >So I say that I create a vibe of freedom and peace. >Then again, Bob Dylan said that, too, so it does not really define >anything, but faces clear up anyway! ;-) >Probably because the concept of freedom changed its flavour... > >If you really think about it: freedom is not be tied up with a >ongoing loop ;-) > >>Before I discovered looping & delays, I had so much inspirational >>music floating around inside my head, but when I used standard >>tools to try and get those ideas recorded (i.e. reel-to-reel, >>cubase, pen & paper etc), the process was not fast enough for me to >>retain the ideas that I had. It was frustrating. > >right! this may be some "essence" of looping: the bridge between the >creation and recording process... but how do we bring that across... > >>When I purchased the DL4, it opened up a whole new way of >>working.... and to a certain degree (limited only by the hardware) >>allowed me to transfer the inspiration inside my head into music >>that other people could hear. > >Its like trading the time limitation of multi-instrument-composing >against a structural limitation (which you call "only by hardware" >but it will always be there, the more complex the tool becomes, the >more its operation will be the limitation) > >>So... in my case, freedom just about sums it up :) > >Ok, but how about "us"? are you saying that we play "Freedom-Music" ? ;-) >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 10:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23207; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:23:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:23:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:22:26 +0200 Subject: Re: Digitech PDS mod--Is there a pedal that does this? From: Carsten Wegener To: , CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20021014215247.D18896@redhat.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA23176 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 15.10.2002 3:52 Uhr schrieb Adrian Likins unter alikins@redhat.com: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:08:12AM -0700, hqr@earthlink.net wrote: >> Hi-- >> Today I got a strange bird out of storage--it's a Digitech 2 second delay >> mounted on an old Morley pedal I had made for me back in the 80's . . . >> Here's what it does-- >> There are three knobs on the side which control feedback, delay volume and >> delay time--the pedal can be switched to control either feedback or delay >> time. Changing delay time also changes pitch on this puppy. >> Is there a commercially produced pedal that does this? I managed to get >> this unit to function, but it definitely needs some tuner cleaner and >> general attention--thought I'd share . . . >> Gary > > The Danelectro "Shift Daddy" seems to be a digital > delay with a pedal used to control the delay time. See: > > http://www.guitarist.co.uk/gear/gear_page.asp?ID=1750 > http://www.danelectro.com/shiftdad.htm > http://www.danelectro.com/shiftdads.htm > > Never played one myself, and finding useful info > on what exactly it is is difficult. The second danecectro > url was recently added since there seemed to be some confusing > as to what it was (reading the first url, the marketing text > of which is plasted all over the net, is definately vague...) > > As far as I know, you can only use it to control > delay time though. > > Also, the Digitech Space Station seems to have > a couple of preset which are sorta-kindof pedal varied > delay times. > > I belive some of the Zoom pedal boards allow you to > alter delay time via the builtin expression pedal (gfx8 manual > seems to indicate as much). Some of those things have some > pretty bizzaro (and _very_ digital) sounds on them. Looks > like you can map the pedal to feedback and wet/dry mix as > well. > > > Adrian > The Line6 DL4 can do this. It´s a cool unit with a looper included. You can connect an volumepedal to control the delaytime and feedback as well as some other parameters. No Midi implied. CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 10:53:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24974; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:52:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:52:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:55:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300000FE7@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: repeater format reverse engineering project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA24907 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, I would love to help you with this project, BUT, I don't own a repeater... :) I'm a software engineer who's been working professionally for 15 years (www.musetrap.com/cpr/resume). For the last 7 years I've been primarily working in the computer music field (Opcode, Digidesign, Emu, Apple, and Euphonix)... I've done a fair amount of reverse engineering of file formats, and if someone could send me files, with descriptions of what is recorded in them, then I would be willing to take a stab at it... I suppose if a repeater owner in the SF bay area was interested in this enough, they could also do a short term loan of the device, so I could do more interactive work, but, maybe a quick look at some samples might yield some results... Let me know your thoughts... peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:25:54 -0400 >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" >From: Tom Ritchford >Subject: repeater format reverse engineering project >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I am very interested in reverse engineering the file format format for >the late lamented Electrix Repeater. > > >I do not have enough time to do this whole project on my own so I am >willing to split the task as follows. > >If someone is willing to do a lot of the experimenting part >for the reverse engineering of the format >(and I can help with that too -- I've done it before) > >then I will write a Java program or a set of Java programs >to convert the format back and forth to .WAV files >(and do the cutting and offsetting that might be needed). > > >(I also "cross-posted" this to the Repeater forum...) > > /t >-- > >http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! >http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 10:55:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25435; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:54:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:54:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: larry.peterson@autodesk.com Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WHY DOES MIKO SHOUT SO MUCH Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:53:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's probably because he hasn't discovered the softer side of looping yet... Miko - give in to your inner whisperer! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] Sent: October 12, 2002 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHY DOES MIKO SHOUT SO MUCH In your email program, there is probably a way to set up an email filter. I did one at work that filtered out any emails with the word "miko" and everything got a lot quieter. Your post made me realize I have to set one up here. Trust me, it's a lot better this way. Mark Sottilaro On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 05:06 PM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > WHY? > > > > > WHY? > > > > must be because he's excited about going to see l.d.ers Michael > Klobuchar > and Sunao Inami > and moi at the EAST meets WEST LOOPING FESTIVAL on sunday evening. > > > I'M SHOUTING................WHY....................I DON'T KNOW WHY. > > > rick (aka loop.fool) > 'the lil' whispering translucent dayglo green plastic sensai' > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:05:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27278; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:04:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:04:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DAB0A1300000FE7@mta08.san.yahoo.com> References: <3DAB0A1300000FE7@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:03:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: RE: repeater format reverse engineering project Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I would love to help you with this project, BUT, I don't own a repeater... >:) I'm a software engineer who's been working professionally for 15 years >(www.musetrap.com/cpr/resume). For the last 7 years I've been primarily >working in the computer music field (Opcode, Digidesign, Emu, Apple, and >Euphonix)... I've done a fair amount of reverse engineering of file formats, >and if someone could send me files, with descriptions of what is recorded >in them, then I would be willing to take a stab at it... I suppose if a >repeater owner in the SF bay area was interested in this enough, they could >also do a short term loan of the device, so I could do more interactive >work, but, maybe a quick look at some samples might yield some results... >Let me know your thoughts... I'm keeping this on the list because it might be of general interest! This sounds very promising and the best way is to get started at this and see what we need. What I'll do is over the next few days make a set of representative loops and then upload them to an ftp site somewhere. here's what I'll make 1. a "completely empty loop" which has, if I can do it, zero seconds of sound. 2. a single silent loop with one track with no signal on it. 3. a single loop with sound on it. 4. same loop with a "time slip" at the beginning 5. same loop with a "slip" at the end. 6. same loop transposed up "one notch" (one click of the dial) 7. same loop transposed up "one semitone" 8. same loop "reversed" 9. same loop at "twice" the tempo 10. a four track loop with different material. then we'll see what we get out of it! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:32:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29286; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:28:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAC334D.6000405@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:25:01 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: FCB1010 question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, As some of you may recall, I sent a message a few days back saying how I, a complete midiot, had no need for a sysex file for the FCB 1010 since I had figured out how to program it all by myself. Or so I thought (I grasp the theory at least). What I discovered last night is that I don't seem to be able to program the expression pedals properly at all. I'm using this to control the Repeater (or trying to) btw. Now the problem is this, I go into programming mode, choose the expression pedal, select the controller number I want to send and then enter the range 0-127 or 40-75, etc). Now this is all well and good until I try and actually use the pedal and then I find that is sending all kinds of commands to the repeater (multiply by 2, reverse, record select, start, loop select up and down). It runs through all of these when I move the pedal up or down. Do it fast enough and it will freeze the Repeater (I actually had it come up with the screen multiply by 1 (?!) and then it locked up). After a little experimentation, it seems that the expression pedals primarily run the repeater through the loops (1' to 64 and back). Move the pedal fast enough and then I can get the other commands (record, reverse, mult by 2, etc). It really doesn't seem to matter what values I program in for the pedal (I can turn them on or off in a preset, but nothing else seems to stick). So, anyone know what I'm missing or have any idea of why this might be? Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:37:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29336; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:29:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:29:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:31:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A13000010D2@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: repeater format reverse engineering project To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA29288 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, Sounds great... Let me know when and where to grab the files... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:03:11 -0400 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Tom Ritchford >Subject: RE: repeater format reverse engineering project >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> I would love to help you with this project, BUT, I don't own a repeater... >>:) I'm a software engineer who's been working professionally for 15 years >>(www.musetrap.com/cpr/resume). For the last 7 years I've been primarily >>working in the computer music field (Opcode, Digidesign, Emu, Apple, and >>Euphonix)... I've done a fair amount of reverse engineering of file formats, >>and if someone could send me files, with descriptions of what is recorded >>in them, then I would be willing to take a stab at it... I suppose if a >>repeater owner in the SF bay area was interested in this enough, they could >>also do a short term loan of the device, so I could do more interactive >>work, but, maybe a quick look at some samples might yield some results... >>Let me know your thoughts... > >I'm keeping this on the list because it might be of general interest! > >This sounds very promising and the best way is to get started at this >and see what we need. > >What I'll do is over the next few days make a set of representative >loops and then upload them to an ftp site somewhere. > >here's what I'll make > > 1. a "completely empty loop" which has, if I can do it, zero seconds of >sound. > 2. a single silent loop with one track with no signal on it. > 3. a single loop with sound on it. > 4. same loop with a "time slip" at the beginning > 5. same loop with a "slip" at the end. > 6. same loop transposed up "one notch" (one click of the dial) > 7. same loop transposed up "one semitone" > 8. same loop "reversed" > 9. same loop at "twice" the tempo >10. a four track loop with different material. > >then we'll see what we get out of it! > > /t >-- > >http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! >http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29943; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:35:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:35:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: <001b01c27417$fe92d260$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Per, Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. Can you change that in your preferences? I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. ? Mark Sottilaro On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi > arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I didn't > continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a > Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can "freeze" > a > midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi looper" > ;-) > > All the best > > Per Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:43:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29391; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:29:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:29:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:29:44 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: TO THE FUTURE! In-reply-to: <001a01c27416$d1ae9fa0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, how about this for a tagline: Gibson's Echoplex Digital Pro: Send your music TO THE FUTURE! (up to 198 sec) Huh? Mark Sottilaro On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Very inspiring point, Mark! Using small time machines... :-) > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:43:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30440; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:39:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:39:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300001127@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA30405 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a looper of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >From: Mark Sottilaro >Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! >To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Hey Per, > >Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >Can you change that in your preferences? > >I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. > >? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I didn't >> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can "freeze" > >> a >> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi looper" >> ;-) >> >> All the best >> >> Per Boysen >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:43:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30647; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:40:43 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! In-reply-to: <3DABBBD2.DE4F171F@ubuibi.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <773061B7-E054-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_Ao7JC.A.ZcH.kbDr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:55 PM, das wrote: > > my point being that i do not think pidgeon-holing is needed at this > time, > > hey does anyone have/use a melotron ? optigon ? > Well dAS, what Matthias is trying to do is come up with a good marketing angle for the Gibson EDP website. Makes sense, as if the EDP does well, we all benefit. If the EDP is making money, maybe other manufactures will jump on board and they're will be more looping devices to choose from. Perhaps someone will even market a kiddie turntable nail device? I always wish Roland would put some decent melotron patches in their synths. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:48:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31278; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:45:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:45:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:45:25 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Finland calling In-reply-to: <3DABDA9C.D128A67B@lb-o.inet.fi> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <1F2D1AAD-E055-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Finland: I don't know a lot about it, but Bob Sallon, one of the JamMan creators, has made a JamMan upgrade that allows for multiple loops to be played at the same time. I don't know the details, but I think it's really cheap and easy to install. You can find it on his website... I don't have the URL handy, but I bet if you searched on the LD site or Google for Bob Sallon JamMan upgrade, you'll find it. Mark Sottilaro On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 02:06 AM, Markus Lahtinen wrote: > Hi > > I'm just learning the possibilities of looping on-stage and > am willing to get some guidange on the matter. > > What other looper apart from Repeater would do the trick of recording > loops to different > tracks wich can be put out and brought back again ... ? > > I once tried Repeater and it seemed to be the tool for the work I do. > But as it has been impossible to purchase , I'm left with > no options that I would know of. > > Apart from the bands I play as bassist I started to do shows with > contemporary (hateful word) circus-artists, mainly jugglers, two Finns > and a guy from Minneapolis, as a one-man band. > After few projects playing over stuff that I'd recorded on a 4- track > casette player, I borrowed my friends JamMan, wich obviously changed > the way I did my music onstage. > > In the shows I'm playing lots of instruments and as I want to get rid > of > > all the pre-recorded stuff the JamMan is not capable of doing the stuff > I'd like to do inside a loop while the guys do their wierd juggling > on-stage :) > Besides the JamaMan is not mine and it's starting to give some ugly > surprises. > Summer 2001 we were performing in Paris in a festival and the after 15 > min > the JamMan decided to do only 3 sec. loops instead of the 8 sec. So I > played > 3 sec. loops for the rest of the show ... I have it on video ... > goddamit ... > > Thanks > > Markus > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------ > > http://www.lb-o.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:51:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31629; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:48:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:48:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c27462$2b4f0090$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3DAC334D.6000405@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: FCB1010 question Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:47:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kevin! Do you have a MIDI monitor program like MIDI-OX? I find this kind of tool quite valuable in diagnosing MIDI problems. You can see what messages the FCB1010 is really sending. http://www.midiox.com/ Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31369; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:46:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:46:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:46:21 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <40BA09DB-E055-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5-De6D.A.xpH.6gDr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 03:50 AM, mark francombe wrote: > > "Distortion Delight"? > > hahahahhahahhaha. I'm there for that list. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 11:57:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32006; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:53:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:53:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:53:49 -0700 From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: <3DAB0A1300001127@mta08.san.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4BA15099-E056-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. Mark On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it > continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a > looper > of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) > > peace > -cpr > >> -- Original Message -- >> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >> From: Mark Sottilaro >> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >> do! >> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> Hey Per, >> >> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. > >> Can you change that in your preferences? >> >> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >> >> ? >> >> Mark Sottilaro >> >> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >>> didn't >>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >>> "freeze" >> >>> a >>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >>> looper" >>> ;-) >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 12:06:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02148; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:08:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A130000121F@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4BA15099-E056-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA02093 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Opcode's sequencer, Studio Vision, was one of the best tools for doing live looping of midi, and it had a great system for controlling it's features via midi, making it an excellent tool for what you want... I bandmate of mine used to use it during our jams... But, of course, Opcode is no more, so... Since then he has tried a variety of tools, and finally settled on Digital Performer... Since I know that 'live interactive midi looping' was something he did a lot of, he may have some insight into what you are looking for... I'll send you his email addy and you can contact him if you want... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:53:49 -0700 >From: Mark Sottilaro >Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. > >Mark > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a >> looper >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >>> From: Mark Sottilaro >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >>> do! >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> >>> Hey Per, >>> >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >>> Can you change that in your preferences? >>> >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >>>> didn't >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >>>> "freeze" >>> >>>> a >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >>>> looper" >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 12:08:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02418; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:07:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:07:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.13ec7e.2add971e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:06:54 EDT Subject: Delightful . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, In a message dated 10/15/02 3:39:35 AM, mark_francombe@hotmail.com writes: >I wonder if they're having such a tricky time defining what they do >over at "Distortion Delight"? Perhaps it's just me but the above comment highlights something I've found troublesome for quite some time -- the "Delight" part of the LD name. It always makes me think of either a drive-in ice cream establishment or Glen Campbell (who's from from "DeeeEEEeeelight, Arkansas"). Whenever I speak to friends who are musically knowledgeable (but not necessarily loopists themselves) about something I read on "Looper's Delight" it always generates a moment or two of snickers (and half a minute of sheepish LD apologetics from me) to mention the site name. It's sortta like the song about the "Boy Named Sue" by Johnny Cash. I wonder sometimes if these folks would snicker if it were just called "The Loop" (unfortunately www.theloop.com and www.getintheloop.com are both already taken -- I checked) or something else entirely . . . It's just a thought. But, I've always thought the "Delight" part a little too cute, odd, funky, strange, whatever -- sorry Kim (it's just an opinion). I've been part of this community since almost it's inception. I value it very highly . . . but the name has always caused problems in trying to get outsiders to take anything I might quote from it seriously. Oh well, maybe it's not a good time to poke at anybody's sacred cows. I hope I haven't stepped in somebody's sacred cow pie. Best regards, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 12:23:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03749; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:22:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:22:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:21:05 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Digitech PDS mod--Is there a pedal that does this? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015001c27466$dc713c90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the moogerfooger analog delay does this, though you have to connect external pedals, and it costs way too much. and it's analog (thus the name) i like mine quite a lot. >... > Is there a commercially produced pedal that does this? >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 12:26:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04170; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:26:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:26:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <80.2339027b.2add9b71@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:25:21 EDT Subject: Re: Delightful . . . To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_80.2339027b.2add9b71_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_80.2339027b.2add9b71_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the name LD made me think of and the image of the sugarhill gang's "rappers delight"...and with the looped connections/ramifications etc it just all seems natural to me to think that way. Warmest Regards, John Price/ "AKASH" "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_80.2339027b.2add9b71_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the name LD made me think of and the image of the sugarhill gang's "rappers delight"...and with the looped connections/ramifications etc it just all seems natural to me to think that way.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
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"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"


--part1_80.2339027b.2add9b71_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 12:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04459; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:28:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:28:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1c4.13ec7e.2add971e@aol.com> References: <1c4.13ec7e.2add971e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:27:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Delightful . . . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >It's just a thought. But, I've always thought the "Delight" part a little >too cute, odd, funky, strange, whatever -- sorry Kim (it's just an >opinion). I've been part of this community since almost it's inception. >I value it very highly . . . but the name has always caused problems in >trying to get outsiders to take anything I might quote from it seriously. that's the *best part*! NEVER change it! It's a lovely and literary and light name and it's very distinctive. Think about it -- how "business.com" and "pets.com" and all those other places with generic names never managed to make any headway while companies with weird names like Amazon and Yahoo developed a brand-following. Death before blandness! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 12:38:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06751; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:37:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:37:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:35:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: east meets west MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5E105125.7733A7E2.0269DAB0@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA06666 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what a gas playing on the same bill with suano inami and rick walker.....suano's music was wonderful, he gave me one of his cds and i cant wait to get home and give it a spin and rick was rick, always an inspiration as to what can be done in this world of looping.....too much going on out here in santa cruz: ballgames (go figure), fashion shows, hip-hop film festivals, sunday nite bowling etc. so our turn out was a bit sparse to say the least, i figure i traveled 100 miles per attendee, but those 13 or so folk got an ear full of looping and i feel that they liked it alot.....i think that the only way to get more interest in looping is to play out, be it a coffee house gig, a book store, on the street, a festival (more we need more) or some type of show, let people hear and see what the heck it is that we are collectively doing.....web sites are great but a face to face conversation is much more powerful unless you're trying to talk to suano and your japanese is a bit rusty.....:).....what a nice fellow he is!.....more later, im off to the airport and headed east.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 12:54:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09224; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:53:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:53:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021015165230.53845.qmail@web40702.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DABBBD2.DE4F171F@ubuibi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1109006217-1034700750=:53529" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1109006217-1034700750=:53529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii das wrote: >hey does anyone have/use a melotron ? optigon ? I've recorded with one at Fort Apache in Cambridge, MA, a photo of which may be seen by the handful of you who have a copy of the Chain Tape Project's CD "Seventy-Five Seconds". The Fort has two Mellotrons (or at least they did a few years ago) that they got at auction along with a bunch of other nifty gear (Epiphone 12-string, Vox AC30, Sgt. Pepper costumes, etc.) when the show "Beatlemania" folded. One of their 'trons is (was?) ravaged as a parts supply for the other functioning one. Hence, the problem with 'em: they're very delicate and subject to continual breakdown. Probably the coolest thing about the Mellotron is the LACK of hi-fidelity; the wobbling eeriness of a Mellotron or a Chamberlain is IMHO most desireable, but at the same time, they're definitely not very dependable. Since using that one, I've found that I can get a pretty realistic range of Mellotron sounds using Soundfonts. My former drummer found a perfectly good Optigan abandoned by the side of the highway last year... No discs, tho'... -t- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-1109006217-1034700750=:53529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 

 das <das@ubuibi.org> wrote:

>hey does anyone have/use a melotron ? optigon ?

I've recorded with one at Fort Apache in Cambridge, MA, a photo of which may be seen by the handful of you who have a copy of the Chain Tape Project's CD "Seventy-Five Seconds". The Fort has two Mellotrons (or at least they did a few years ago) that they got at auction along with a bunch of other nifty gear (Epiphone 12-string, Vox AC30, Sgt. Pepper costumes, etc.) when the show "Beatlemania" folded. One of their 'trons is (was?) ravaged as a parts supply for the other functioning one. Hence, the problem with 'em: they're very delicate and subject to continual breakdown. Probably the coolest thing about the Mellotron is the LACK of hi-fidelity; the wobbling eeriness of a Mellotron or a Chamberlain is IMHO most desireable, but at the same time, they're definitely not very dependable. Since using that one, I've found that I can get a pretty realistic range of Mellotron sounds using Soundfonts.

My former drummer found a perfectly good Optigan abandoned by the side of the highway last year... No discs, tho'...

-t-



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faith.yahoo.com --0-1109006217-1034700750=:53529-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 13:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA11731; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:15:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:15:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021015171510.65001.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: re: FCB1010 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:25:01 -0700 > >To:"loop" >Subject: FCB1010 question >Hello, >As some of you may recall, I sent a message a few days back >saying how I will guess that other switches are redefining the expression pedals. The FCB1010(as well as I can remember) allows 5 midi commands per switch(the 10 buttons). For each switch you can send 3 midi program changes, and two midi control changes. The midi cc commands redefine the expression pedals. In my upcoming FCB1010/Repeater contribution to the universe I use the expression pedals two ways. One is for every single switch on the bank I program the same cc commands for the pedals. Then no matter what I did last, the pedals have the same effect. The other mode for them I use is to use the switches to _only_ define the function of the pedals. That way I can access the large number of cc commands for the Repeater from a single FCB1010 bank. Make sure that you are not changing your expression pedal program with another switch unintentionally. For each switch either define the expression pedals, or disable them. Yours in rhythm, Steve I, a complete midiot, had no need for a sysex file for the FCB 1010 since I had figured out how to program it all by myself. Or so I thought (I grasp the theory at least). What I discovered last night is that I don't seem to be able to program the expression pedals properly at all. I'm using this to control the Repeater (or trying to) btw. Now __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 13:38:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12827; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:31:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:31:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021015173008.25085.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:30:08 -0500 Subject: FCB1010 question and response with support team X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-6.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: <0BZxc.A.9HD.DDFr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To all and any concerned, Below, I've pasted part of my correspondence with a support person at BEHRINGER concerning the FCB 1010. I'm hoping that some of you will find the info useful and/or be able to answer some of the questions I've asked. If so, on either account, great. Some of the questions I ask below (pertaining to cc comands) were answered by Srice in that person's last posted message. Thanks to you! OK, Here you go: Andy, Thanks again. I'm going to respond to what you wrote by inserting my response and question below. Before that, I'll address your question pertaining to my intended uses of the 1010. I'm wanting to use the 1010 with several units. Two of them will only take 'program change messages' (a Boss SE-50 and a Lexicon Jam-Man). The other unit is a Gibson/Oberheim Echoplex. The Echoplex requires more complex 'momentary' midi messages. I'm wanting to use the 1010 to communicate messages to all of these devices. This was my first hurdle. I'd like to use one pedal to 'talk' to all the units. From what I've been told by users of the 1010, this should be possible. For the sake of clarity, let me describe it in the following manner: I would like to send 'program change' messages to the SE-50 and Jam-Man from one series of pedals, and from a different series of pedals (perhaps programmed on a different bank) send 'momentary' messages to the Echoplex. Is this possible? I was surprised when you mentioned that the 1010 would also send analogue messages to a unit like the Tube Driver. It was basically a bonus for me. I'm in the midst of preparing my guitar set-up for some touring. The 1010 will eliminate at least one and possibly two pedals from my floor unit, which is one of my primary goals - getting free of excess baggage. >From here, I'll ask some questions based on what you've written in your last email. Andy from BEHRINGER said: For the majority of MIDI information, the footswitches are always "momentary" - the MIDI information is sent at the instant the switch is closed. Michael b: So, when the 1010 is used in this mode, a single string of midi information is sent. For instance, a midi command is sent to the Echoplex to begin recording a loop with the a combined press and release of a switch (1010 pedal). Then, when I want the Echoplex to stop recording, I use a combined press and release of another switch (1010 pedal), which is programmed appropriately. Is this correct? Then... Andy from BEHRINGER said: However, the exception to this is the MIDI note function. The "note on" is sent at the time that the pedal is held closed, and on releasing the pedal, the "note off" command is sent. In this instance - this is not a "latching" switch - it is still "momentary - but the "release" action will trigger the transmission of the "note off" command. Michael b: In this mode, the 1010 functions the way I described before: "a switch (pedal button) in this mode will send a midi message when pressed down and held (such as 'note on'), and a second message when I decide to release it (such as 'note off')." Is this correct? Ok, let me know. And thank you for your patience. michael b -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 13:49:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13559; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:45:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:45:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC5353.5F5D51AE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:41:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Delightful . . . References: <1c4.13ec7e.2add971e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I totally agree. Is Looper's Delight a reference to "rapper's delight"? Maybe it's my association with that song that makes me cringe whenever I think of the the name. I think an upgrade to "Looper's D" would be better. Word. Mark Sottilaro Tom Ritchford wrote: > >It's just a thought. But, I've always thought the "Delight" part a little > >too cute, odd, funky, strange, whatever -- sorry Kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 13:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13708; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:48:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:48:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC54DA.B60510C6@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:48:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3DAB0A130000121F@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, thanks! Double bounus, I own DP3. I've mainly used it for audio recording, but I'm starting to dig into it's sequencer as well. POLAR is a great built in loop tool. Mark Sottilaro Chris Roberts wrote: > Opcode's sequencer, Studio Vision, was one of the best tools for doing live > looping of midi, and it had a great system for controlling it's features > via midi, making it an excellent tool for what you want... I bandmate of > mine used to use it during our jams... But, of course, Opcode is no more, > so... Since then he has tried a variety of tools, and finally settled on > Digital Performer... Since I know that 'live interactive midi looping' was > something he did a lot of, he may have some insight into what you are looking > for... I'll send you his email addy and you can contact him if you want... > :) > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:53:49 -0700 > >From: Mark Sottilaro > >Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be > > >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo > > >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. > > > >Mark > > > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: > > > >> Hi Mark, > >> > >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that > it > >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a > > >> looper > >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) > >> > >> peace > >> -cpr > >> > >>> -- Original Message -- > >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 > >>> From: Mark Sottilaro > >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we > > >>> do! > >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey Per, > >>> > >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but > >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. > >> > >>> Can you change that in your preferences? > >>> > >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. > >>> > >>> ? > >>> > >>> Mark Sottilaro > >>> > >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi > >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I > >>>> didn't > >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have > a > >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can > >>>> "freeze" > >>> > >>>> a > >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi > >>>> looper" > >>>> ;-) > >>>> > >>>> All the best > >>>> > >>>> Per Boysen > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 13:55:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13918; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:51:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:51:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DAC5353.5F5D51AE@zerocrossing.net> References: <1c4.13ec7e.2add971e@aol.com> <3DAC5353.5F5D51AE@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:50:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Delightful . . . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <90sepC.A.OZD.mWFr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 10:41 AM -0700 10/15/02, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> >It's just a thought. But, I've always thought the "Delight" part a little >> >too cute, odd, funky, strange, whatever -- sorry Kim I didn't write this!!! I was quoting! /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 14:05:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14271; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:57:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:57:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300001555@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DAC54DA.B60510C6@zerocrossing.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA14237 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oooh.. double digital bonus! :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: sine@zerocrossing.net >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:48:15 -0700 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Hey, thanks! Double bounus, I own DP3. I've mainly used it for audio recording, >but I'm starting to dig into it's sequencer as well. POLAR is a great built >in >loop tool. > >Mark Sottilaro > >Chris Roberts wrote: > >> Opcode's sequencer, Studio Vision, was one of the best tools for doing >live >> looping of midi, and it had a great system for controlling it's features >> via midi, making it an excellent tool for what you want... I bandmate of >> mine used to use it during our jams... But, of course, Opcode is no more, >> so... Since then he has tried a variety of tools, and finally settled on >> Digital Performer... Since I know that 'live interactive midi looping' >was >> something he did a lot of, he may have some insight into what you are >looking >> for... I'll send you his email addy and you can contact him if you want... >> :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >> >-- Original Message -- >> >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:53:49 -0700 >> >From: Mark Sottilaro >> >Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! >> >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> > >> >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be >> >> >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo >> >> >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. >> > >> >Mark >> > >> >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that >> it >> >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is >a >> >> >> looper >> >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >> >> >> peace >> >> -cpr >> >> >> >>> -- Original Message -- >> >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >> >>> From: Mark Sottilaro >> >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >> >> >>> do! >> >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hey Per, >> >>> >> >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >> >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >> >> >>> Can you change that in your preferences? >> >>> >> >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >> >>> >> >>> ? >> >>> >> >>> Mark Sottilaro >> >>> >> >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >> >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >> >>>> didn't >> >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have >> a >> >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >> >>>> "freeze" >> >>> >> >>>> a >> >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >> >>>> looper" >> >>>> ;-) >> >>>> >> >>>> All the best >> >>>> >> >>>> Per Boysen >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 14:30:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17965; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:29:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:29:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:31:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: The LOOP Movements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am very exited about what is going on, I cannot think of anything else right now and put this down without even reading the latest posts: Mark asked: >So Matthais, do you want to market "loop music" or your looping device? My first reaction was like: "you should know me better, my friend!" But then, thinking about the answer I found a clue: A movement is a cozmic thing. Its not created by the humans, its arround, and some humans pick it up an put it into emotions and matter and so on. For example: I did not get high on dope until the day I crossed the Golden Gate bridge and settled in a flat in Height street, where a bunch of people were coming from a Greatful Dead concert... (yes, thats the truth!). I was about 22 by then. But all my youth, I was together with the group of smoking friends and was afraid of it and said that the music made me high enough. Later I realized I was with those same people even before *they* smoked, so the movement was first, and the "tool" dope joined in later! I was longing for some free music long before I knew about looping. In April 85 I became fascinated by a new use of the digital delay with FeedBack pedal, and Walter Schmid, a Fripp fan and PCM42 owner, told me that what I was doing was called looping. But my sound was only similar to the tape loops until I discovered the grace of rhythmic loops in August 85 and tap tempo became essential. I used to say it was not music, not even art, just sound textures. Then in Rio, 86, after a jam with Marcio Miranda (samples on my site), I broke out in tears when I realized that two musicians in an afternoon can create a full hour of fat orchestral *music* in decent quality with a much more free, unified, powerful and pleasant expression than most of the week long productions! This was still with the 2290 and those experiences gave me the kick to plan what 5 years later turned into the Loop Delay and made the same idea simpler, richer and more brother-like! Later I realized, that Marcio was not of that movement, but he is an incredibly professional and flexible musician and felt what I wanted and put music around it... On the LOOP delay prospect you can read that I had the vision of a movement, I wanted to create a "loop group" or "loop pool" community as we have it here, but there was no internet. When I met Kim in 92, because he had to adapt the LOOP delay for Gibson, he felt a wave and ended up creating LD, which we are so thankfull for! Now that we are finally analyzing and defining this wave, we feel there are many aspects to it and there may be several movements that use the same loop tools! Interesting enough, Kim was one of the first on the list to express he got bored by the ambient kind of music I liked to do and came up with the SUSInsert real time editing method that Andre drives to the extreme... so this may be a next movement I ended up implementing the tools functions for, without using them myself... So all I can really speak about here is my perception of the movement I make part of: Its about the multiplication and mirroring of ourselves in the loops, usually through "natural" instruments, until we can filter out our own thing and phantasticly this mostly leads to some A A' A''... structured music containing all kinds of known styles and archetypes from classic to african. Its rather free than precise. There is something "worldy" to it and usually something "ambienty" and "cozmy" and "techny", but none of those drawers hold, and I feel we are strong enough now to create a new one! I feel its high time to put out this my thing. I have been working hard on it for almost 20 years, not only when I was programming LOOP! When I meet friends like Rick, Max, Steve, Andy, Jon, Ljubo, Stefan, Willy, Mich, Claude,,, even Andre ;-), I have a special feeling and I can easily play with them and although the style palette is very broad, there is something any non musician can easily identify as similar. So that is the movement I am participating and I want to promote! I have recordings with about 30 different musicians to illustrate that. If some dont feel they make part of this or want to form their own movement, thats ok! LD is not the space for it, because it must stay open for all kinds of application of loops, as defined on its first page - and makes a lot of sense. The new site can contain several pages for several movements. Or we tell Kevin that it takes several sites to accomplish this, or whatever... I selected a bad time to discuss this, because Andy and Claude are in holiday, Steve on tour and: where the hell is Rick? He has been the most important actor of this movement! The fact that I finally can make a living now and probably another while from the loop tools instead of the music is of little importance for all of this - is that an answer, Mark? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 14:31:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18066; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:30:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:30:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Fest in Iowa...How bout it? Message-ID: <1034706596.3dac5ea4223b7@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Williamson References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021014190641.02989970@mail.gamutstudio.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm in Peoria IL. count me in!!! i have a pair of Mackie SR1530s if you don't have a PA for the thing. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 14:33:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18482; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:32:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:32:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:34:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >the relative obscurity of alot of musicians utilising looping has >allowed them, to my >reckoning, more creative freedom. I dont understand that... obscurity in the music, or by the hidden way they work? >I never felt that most looping artists belonged to that apparent >industry based "thrust things down your throat until you give in" >approach to music distribution. all >this talk about definitions and marketing and direct involvement of >multi-national corporations scares me. me too, actually. Maybe thats the process I am going through. >looping seems more about subtelty, which I pine for in this bowling >ball kind of world. yes! do you think its not possible to preserve that subtelty? I find Steves music and his way to act extremely subtle, for example, and it seems to break through never the less... >i think somewhere in there though is actually a really strong selling point >about looping. a catchy slogan like "create the undefined", "make your >music more" or "change the way you think about music" ...something like >that. seriously though, if this is about marketing looping, then I don't >think a definition is really necessary, but moreso a bunch of selling >points. yes, thats maybe what we need... but exactly to avoid an immediate spoil of our fundaments, I wanted to make sure that we know what we are and want and what terms we use first amongst us and let the marketing people and journalists less space to phantasize. >definitely the opinions put forward so far seem to reflect the idea >that looping provides "a radical paradigm shift in music making", but >phrases like that would appeal to a select group of people. perhaps apple >computer's approach to the mac could provide a model. without knowing the >desired demographics, though, it would be hard to pitch any sort of looping >marketing. which brings me to a couple of questions: > >firstly, who is the intended focus of this marketing drive? what kind of >people are you trying to attract to the sport of looping? musicians of any >genre? yes, and more so: PUBLIC for them (us)! >secondly, are there particular reasons why you feel the gibson efforts >should take place separate to kim's? - its not technical - its for the public and the not (yet) looping musicians >what can this new site offer that LD can't? A (selected) collection of loop music. It should be more artistic, seductive. As we are discovering, it can crystalize some main characteristics of looping, to make it more understandable. >is there any possibility for kim to extend LD with the help of >gibson? There might be, but he has not even time to talk to me, much less to talk to the list or become creative. Also, maybe the most important point: The new site shall not be owned by anyone involved with the production of the loop tools! Gibson only sponsores it, and I only bring up the ideas for a starting point. Its a cultural meeting point, maybe even an association, I dont see that clearly yet... >I certainly feel that there is space for more than one looping >site, and your point about kim receiving more linked traffic is well >received. does kim want more traffic though? he certainly want more people to become interested in looping and buying EDPs ;-) >would this end up costing him >more money? i don't know, I'm just speculating. nor do I know kim from a >bar of soap really so what right do I have to speak for his interests, but >there you go. kim, any thoughts? > >if your looking for votes, I personally would go with mark's high horse >coupled with andre's very pragmatic response. in the end though, if your >looking for a catch-all or as-many-as-possible type method, perhaps jon's >"loop-ular synthesis" angle is actually right on the ticket. I understood he was only naming a specific loop technique, as created by Kim/Andre and named "granual looping" by Kim so far and "glitches" by Andre... is that right? >after all, >there is barely a genre of music that hasn't been touched by synthesis >technologies, and much of what a looper does is about using loops real-time >to synthesise new music or new compositions or new sounds or new textures >or... sorry, I think one of the strongest marketing arguments we have is that loop music is mostly created by naturaly vibrating instruments, controlled by a competent expressive musician, as it was in the passed, though combined with the technology of exact repetition. To bring the word Syth into it would be rather a damage. >well, I've posted more in two days than I have in two years nearly so I >think I need to rest again. Thank you! Maybe you can go on helping us with your marketing experience? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 14:35:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18743; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:34:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:34:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021015112603.03dd19a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:35:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Delightful . . . In-Reply-To: <80.2339027b.2add9b71@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:25 AM 10/15/2002, AKASHMUSIC@aol.com wrote: >the name LD made me think of and the image of the sugarhill gang's >"rappers delight"...and with the looped connections/ramifications etc it >just all seems natural to me to think that way. yes, that's where the name came from. John wins the prize! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 14:53:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20281; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003601c2747c$0b1ecd90$e4981cd5@hyeena> From: "Jukka Andersson" To: References: <1F2D1AAD-E055-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: Finland calling Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:52:33 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi to Finland from Finland :) .jukka andersson. rihmasto.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Finland calling > Hello Finland: > > I don't know a lot about it, but Bob Sallon, one of the JamMan > creators, has made a JamMan upgrade that allows for multiple loops to > be played at the same time. I don't know the details, but I think it's > really cheap and easy to install. You can find it on his website... I > don't have the URL handy, but I bet if you searched on the LD site or > Google for Bob Sallon JamMan upgrade, you'll find it. > > Mark Sottilaro > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 02:06 AM, Markus Lahtinen wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I'm just learning the possibilities of looping on-stage and > > am willing to get some guidange on the matter. > > > > What other looper apart from Repeater would do the trick of recording > > loops to different > > tracks wich can be put out and brought back again ... ? > > > > I once tried Repeater and it seemed to be the tool for the work I do. > > But as it has been impossible to purchase , I'm left with > > no options that I would know of. > > > > Apart from the bands I play as bassist I started to do shows with > > contemporary (hateful word) circus-artists, mainly jugglers, two Finns > > and a guy from Minneapolis, as a one-man band. > > After few projects playing over stuff that I'd recorded on a 4- track > > casette player, I borrowed my friends JamMan, wich obviously changed > > the way I did my music onstage. > > > > In the shows I'm playing lots of instruments and as I want to get rid > > of > > > > all the pre-recorded stuff the JamMan is not capable of doing the stuff > > I'd like to do inside a loop while the guys do their wierd juggling > > on-stage :) > > Besides the JamaMan is not mine and it's starting to give some ugly > > surprises. > > Summer 2001 we were performing in Paris in a festival and the after 15 > > min > > the JamMan decided to do only 3 sec. loops instead of the 8 sec. So I > > played > > 3 sec. loops for the rest of the show ... I have it on video ... > > goddamit ... > > > > Thanks > > > > Markus > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------ > > > > http://www.lb-o.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 15:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22612; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:05:14 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000301c2747d$cb079140$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA22506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Mark Sottilaro [mailto:sine@zerocrossing.net] > Hey Per, > > Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but > you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the > list's. > Can you change that in your preferences? If I did that the list would get spammed by every mail that was supposed to go back to me by auto reply. I do some mailing outside loppers-delight as well, and others on the list might not be as fond of my writing as you :-) This is a problem I haven't seen on other lists. Usually the list masters make adjustments in the list preferences. (Kim listening?) As a test I'm now changing the "reply to" of my email client and keep it empty. Would you mind replying to this post to see if it still goes to me instead of the list? > I'm also confused about how a frozen midi arpeggiator is a midi looper. As long as midi data is getting looped I guess you might call it that? It should be possible AFAIK to set up a "software midi looper" with more EDP-like features by heavily tweaking of the environment in Emagic Logic. Someone tried that? Just curious... Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 15:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23291; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:15:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:15:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c2747e$d4073a60$0243fea9@gwpc> From: "WEG" To: Subject: Loop Movement Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:12:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2745D.4BF652D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2745D.4BF652D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matthias, The LOOP Movements, from what you've described sound fluid to me, as = if looping itself started as a small moving stream picking up momentum over = the years and pulling along any forms willing to step into the water. The = Looping tool is an extension of the artist and maybe that is the selling point, to = become more than yourself, a sum of all your parts. Today it is not be all that you can = be but rather be more than you were before. We can honestly say the stream is still = travelling and none of us know where it will end up! Peace., WEG ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2745D.4BF652D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Matthias,
    The LOOP Movements, from what you've = described=20 sound fluid to me, as if
looping itself started as a small moving = stream=20 picking up momentum over the
years and pulling along any forms = willing to=20 step into the water.  The Looping tool
is an extension=20 of the artist and maybe that is the selling point, to become more=20 than
yourself, a sum=20 of all your parts.  Today it is not be all that you can be but = rather be=20 more
than you=20 were before.  We can honestly say the stream is = still=20 travelling and none of us know where it will=20 end
up!

Peace.,
WEG

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C2745D.4BF652D0-- ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 15:49:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26114; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:46:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:46:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021015134801.007dd890@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:48:01 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <8A2C4F64-E008-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <3.0.5.32.20021014224853.009af9a0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, but I personally don't do all of my looping in real time. -and frankly, I'm not sure why people seem to need that distinction in what they do. I also don't do all of my looping with audio sampling either. I also use a sequencer for midi looping both in real time and prerecorded. It's all "Looping" to me, and from the name, comes the emphasis on the loops themselves in relation to the music in general, as part and source. -just my thoughts of course, and thanks for the great posts... Smiles, CQ At 11:37 PM 10/14/02 -0700, you wrote: >On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 09:48 PM, Goddess wrote: > >> With a lot of >> pop, it's more of the hook and vocal, and visual performance. All of >> these >> use loops extensively, but none seem to stress the idea of the loops >> themselves, or their evolution like so called loopers do. Does this >> make >> sense? > >I think it's not about the importance or the evolution of the loops >that define what we do. It's the fact that we do it in a real time >situation. That's the beauty and the fun of looping right? If not, >why would I have purchased my Repeaters? I've got a very nice hard >disk recording setup and the ability to loop patterns until the cows >come home. I could simulate the effect of how I use a Repeater... but >would it be the same? I think no. What's different is the live >interaction between my current self, and the self of a few seconds (or >minutes!) ago. I'm a new and different person, yet here are my actions >haunting me. I must deal with them. I must make them understand what >I've become. Together we are making the future. This is the >excitement. > >The EDP: Send the immediate future some music... > >What would the you of 198 seconds from now think of the current you? >Find out with Gibson's EDP. > >Those who don't study their past are doomed to repeat it. Save >yourself the time and toil with Gibson's new EDP! > >Like 12 Monkeys, but with a groove... mmm twelve grooving monkeys... > >Mark Sottilaro > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 15:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26264; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:48:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:48:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC70EF.29DE75C7@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:48:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The LOOP Movements References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > > The fact that I finally can make a living now and probably another > while from the loop tools instead of the music is of little > importance for all of this - is that an answer, Mark? > -- > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org It sure is Matthias. I didn't really ask it because I was in doubt, but it felt like a lot of people were coming down on you for trying to pidgin hole them into some paradigm. I felt it needed to be restated by you, and you did. Frankly, I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about being promoted in some way... any way. No description will be totally accurate. Words are symbolic, and imperfect in nature. Humans are imperfect by nature as well. I'm all for coming up with a name, but Freedom music would not be it, as it implies politics too much, and doesn't elude to what we do. To be honest, Looping is probably the best word we're going to find (in English at least) but that with some interesting tag line and examples of the possibilities of what looping can do for a musician would be key in promoting it. However, I really think that you can be told what an does, you can see a demo of it, and still not be interested in it... until you use one. I've seen my wife Valerie and friend Katrin both come around to looping, but only after fooling around with my JamMan. I think any web page should be a companion to a live workshop/demo tour. It should be fairly easy. They're are a lot of us all over the place. First, we'd need to have somewhat of a "lesson plan" made for each device to somewhat standardize the information. I'd write one up for the Repeater for sure... but my short time with and EDP would make me nervous about trying to teach someone that device. Part of that lesson plan would include some time that people could sign up to actually try it out with a teacher's assistance. I know I'd do a demo for free if I was also able to plug a CD or live show. Would others be good with this? That would mean it would cost Gibson very little. Mostly administration time and the cost of some tee-shirts (what would a product demo be without a tee-shirt?) If we wanted to make a "multi device" loop demo, they might not be into chipping in, but we could probably do the administration work ourselves. Anyway, I've said this before, and I will not say it again. If people are game, let me know and we can start planning such a thing. If people feel it is of no use, I will sit down and shut up. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 15:55:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26604; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:51:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:51:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021015135210.008c8100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:52:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <8BB7FE88-E009-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <000601c2740e$306e62e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, since I too, just mentioned this in my last post, personally, I use the MC-505 which can go in and out of record on the fly while a pattern is playing, so I simply turn off the metronome completely, and play with the music. I also use this feature to pitch loops in the Repeater. Smiles, CQ At 11:44 PM 10/14/02 -0700, you wrote: >Interesting point... but I'm not sure if it's all that valid to the >audience, though certainly for the musician. My guitar signal quickly >becomes a stream of data that describes (more or less) the sound I >played. You're data does the same thing, but more symbolic nature. To >the end user (audience) it's the same, I think... However, I am very >interested in using MIDI loops, though I've not done it in a live >manner. This evening I experimented with my MC-307 sequencer with the >click turned down... but it was hard to get time info from the blinking >light. I reverted to recording a simple bass drum with a click >first, then went back in and recorded new parts. How do you do you're >MIDI loops? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:46 PM, Tim Thompson wrote: > >>> How about this? >>> >>> "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio >>> samples, >>> or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous >>> directions, ... >>> >>> This is from Kim's intro on the front page of Looper's Delight, and >>> it's >>> about as inclusive and applicable of a description as I can imagine. >> >> I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive >> enough. >> I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, >> but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. >> >> ...Tim... >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:05:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28938; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:04:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:04:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC74A9.794FECCD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:03:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <91BO5D.A.uDH.xSHr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias Grob wrote: > sorry, I think one of the strongest marketing arguments we have is > that loop music is mostly created by naturaly vibrating instruments, > controlled by a competent expressive musician, as it was in the > passed, though combined with the technology of exact repetition. To > bring the word Syth into it would be rather a damage. I totally think that you're off here.. in your attitude about synth. Synth players are (stereotype coming, please stand by) used to new models coming out often. New products are released all the time, it's a lot more like the computer world. People are less afraid of "new." This is a big market IMO for your product. Most guitar players are more likely to have a Strat (note basic design has not changed in 50 or so years) plugged into a tube amp (also not much has changed here). You're lucky if they've got a few stomp boxes. You're really lucky if they've got a floor multieffects box. You've hit the jackpot if they've got a rack mounted effects processor with a MIDI controller. Most horn/wind instrument players have a set up that's a lot simpler. I have to say that DJs and Keyboard players are most likely to have racks of gear, and be used to learning how to use new gear. It's a stereotype, of course, but it's the truth. I've been in the trenches selling music gear. On the other hand, I think "loop-ular synthesis" is not a good term for this... is there any synthesis going on? I think it's a bad term for "granular synthesis" too, while I'm at it. Audio Granulation would be much better. If any marketing strategy is going to succeed, we're going to have to A) Define our target market. (we already know our current market of nitch guitar geeks, experimental electronics, and prog rockers) who do we DON'T have that we want to reach? Who can we reach? If we target Electronica/Synth players and DJs, they will spread the word, I'm sure. B) Keep is SIMPLE. Trying to say and be everything is the best way to say and be nothing. I see our clients insisting on being horrifically verbose (as we're being) and losing the audience. The message never gets across because people have zoned out. C) Elect a few firm leaders. The buck needs to stop with a few strong leaders. Marketing by committee is never very good. Too many cooks... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:05:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28978; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:04:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:04:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:04:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200210151604.AA3896049864@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: TO THE FUTURE! X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Maybe more appropriate: Relive the past (up to 198 seconds)! Over and over and over and over.... Kevin ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:29:44 -0700 >OK, how about this for a tagline: > >Gibson's Echoplex Digital Pro: >Send your music TO THE FUTURE! (up to 198 sec) > >Huh? > >Mark Sottilaro > >On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Very inspiring point, Mark! Using small time machines... :-) >> >> Best wishes >> >> Per Boysen >> ________________ >> www.boysen.se >> www.fuzz.se >> www.upsweden.com >> > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:06:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29206; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:05:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:05:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021015160726.02874460@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-Sender: anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org@mail.pdfsystems.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:09:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "anti:clockwise" Subject: up in smoke - times 2! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > on 15 Oct 2002 12:25:21 EDT > jprice AKASHMUSIC@aol.com said > the name LD made me think of and the image of the sugarhill gang's "rappers delight"...and > with the looped connections/ramifications etc it just all seems natural to me to think that way. then i know you'll be sorry to hear of the "destruction of the temple". the home of said disc - and so, so many others - sugar hill studio burned on firday.... *sniff* (and scratch...) i know it's always sad to hear of a passing-from-the-scene such as this. then again - places don't have to burn down to be destroyed... just look what they did to electric lady. christ, what an abomination! it belongs in back page of one of those old-house-fixup mags, where they show you botched renovation jobs (called "remuddling", i think.) but sentamentalistics _do_ have their limits. i was sorta thinking about renting a pickup truck and wandering over to englewood to check out the dumpster. on an asordid note: tono-bungay in performance tomorrow that's weds 10/16 at N6 in williamsburg with kinski subarachnoid space jai young $5 set times: jy: 8; t - b: 9, ss: 10, k:11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29743; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:09:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:09:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021015201107.008bce70@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:11:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <4BA15099-E056-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DAB0A1300001127@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 505 allows for this. You can add or subtract from a looping pattern while it plays. -or play along with it without recording. Smiles, CQ At 08:53 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. > >Mark > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a >> looper >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >>> From: Mark Sottilaro >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >>> do! >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> >>> Hey Per, >>> >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >>> Can you change that in your preferences? >>> >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >>>> didn't >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >>>> "freeze" >>> >>>> a >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >>>> looper" >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> >>> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:16:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29693; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:09:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:09:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021015141107.008c2a00@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:11:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <4BA15099-E056-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DAB0A1300001127@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 505 allows for this. You can add or subtract from a looping pattern while it plays. -or play along with it without recording. Smiles, CQ At 08:53 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. > >Mark > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a >> looper >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >> peace >> -cpr >> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >>> From: Mark Sottilaro >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >>> do! >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> >>> Hey Per, >>> >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >>> Can you change that in your preferences? >>> >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Mark Sottilaro >>> >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >>>> didn't >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >>>> "freeze" >>> >>>> a >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >>>> looper" >>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> All the best >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> >>> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:44:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32020; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:43:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:43:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC7DD1.2AA09503@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:43:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <000301c2747d$cb079140$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That totally did it Per! Thanks. Per Boysen wrote: > > > As a test I'm now changing the "reply to" of my email client and keep it > empty. Would you mind replying to this post to see if it still goes to > me instead of the list? > > > I'm also confused about how a frozen midi arpeggiator is a midi > looper. > > As long as midi data is getting looped I guess you might call it that? > It should be possible AFAIK to set up a "software midi looper" with more > EDP-like features by heavily tweaking of the environment in Emagic > Logic. Someone tried that? Just curious... > I'm going to look into the possibilites of using Digital Performer 3, as I own a copy. I'll let people know what I come up with. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:52:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32740; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC7F83.B8577805@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:50:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3.0.5.32.20021014224853.009af9a0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021015134801.007dd890@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The question is: are the loops trigged and "played" in real time? That's what I'm getting at. Frankly, if you're cutting and pasting phrases (pre recorded loops) of audio in ProTools, I would not call that looping, but it's still working with loops. If you've prerecorded your loops, and then present them in a way indicative of a performance, then that would still be looping, in my mind at least. So, if you loaded up your Repeater with a four track loop and then controlled their volume, slip, pitch, put effects on them, stop, start, whatever, I think we're in the same camp. I think there needs to be a delineation between working with loops on the fly, and using them in post production. Mark Sottilaro Goddess wrote: > Mark, but I personally don't do all of my looping in real time. -and > frankly, I'm not sure why people seem to need that distinction in what they > do. I also don't do all of my looping with audio sampling either. I also > use a sequencer for midi looping both in real time and prerecorded. > It's all "Looping" to me, and from the name, comes the emphasis on the > loops themselves in relation to the music in general, as part and source. > -just my thoughts of course, and thanks for the great posts... > > Smiles, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:53:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00530; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:52:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:52:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC7FDE.C2E7246A@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:51:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: back to sequencer stuff with Goddess References: <000601c2740e$306e62e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> <3.0.5.32.20021015135210.008c8100@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Right, I've had luck using this technique, but would wish for an "undo" while still in record/play mode. Goddess wrote: > Mark, since I too, just mentioned this in my last post, personally, I use > the MC-505 which can go in and out of record on the fly while a pattern is > playing, so I simply turn off the metronome completely, and play with the > music. I also use this feature to pitch loops in the Repeater. > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 11:44 PM 10/14/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Interesting point... but I'm not sure if it's all that valid to the > >audience, though certainly for the musician. My guitar signal quickly > >becomes a stream of data that describes (more or less) the sound I > >played. You're data does the same thing, but more symbolic nature. To > >the end user (audience) it's the same, I think... However, I am very > >interested in using MIDI loops, though I've not done it in a live > >manner. This evening I experimented with my MC-307 sequencer with the > >click turned down... but it was hard to get time info from the blinking > >light. I reverted to recording a simple bass drum with a click > >first, then went back in and recorded new parts. How do you do you're > >MIDI loops? > > > >Mark Sottilaro > > > >On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:46 PM, Tim Thompson wrote: > > > >>> How about this? > >>> > >>> "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio > >>> samples, > >>> or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous > >>> directions, ... > >>> > >>> This is from Kim's intro on the front page of Looper's Delight, and > >>> it's > >>> about as inclusive and applicable of a description as I can imagine. > >> > >> I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive > >> enough. > >> I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, > >> but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. > >> > >> ...Tim... > >> > >> > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:53:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00543; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAC7F0D.DC18D18A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:48:13 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Spreading the word... web sites, lessons, and clinics (was: The Loop Movements) References: <3DAC70EF.29DE75C7@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mmmmmm kay... sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > Frankly, I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about being > promoted in some way... any way. Because, 1) Matthias' original proposal explicitly singled out specific styles of music as being unworthy of inclusion, because they didn't seem to fit in with the niche he wanted to promote. For instance, he said that Rap music that used a real-time looper wouldn't fit in. Now, a couple of weeks ago, Hans Lindauer played me some KILLER live tracks he'd cooked up with a couple of MC's rapping over his EDP-powered tracks. According to Matthias' proposal, a guy running two EDP's simultaneously to cook up live looping music would not be eligible for this new web site because there are rappers involved. I don't think that's a good approach, personally. On the contrary, if you present hip-hop as being a viable outlet for real-time looping, it seems abundantly clear to me that you'll be *expanding* the total pool of potential listeners/customers. Rap fans who don't dig Frippertronics now suddenly have a reason to check it out. 2) If you promote something in the wrong sort of way, then you're doing a disservice to the thing that's supposedly being promoted. If you put time and money into advertising something, wouldn't it make sense to think about WHAT you're promoting, and which audience that thing is appropriate for? Matthias' philosophical background, as he's been kind enough to detail it, is very genuinely interesting and inspiring. But a lot of people who use looping are basically interested in creating live backing tracks for compositions, or other applications far more "mundane" than the sort of thing Mr. Grob is detailing. If someone is thinking about spending $650 on an EDP because they want to be a live one man band, goes to a website, and reads a deep philosophical treatise about how this is an instrument that's specifically designed to manifest the 20-year worldview of a Brazillian musician and inventor, will they turn away because they assume the instrument was specifically designed for a certain purpose? If, on the other hand, the web site showcases the overall scope of how real-time looping can be used, and they can see Jon Brion doing his one-man-band pop-song thing, they'll see and hear a brilliant example of exactly what they want to do. Matthias' spiritual journey can still be there, and still be accessible for the people who are curious, to discover as they may. But if that becomes the whole focus of the angle, rather than one facet of the overall picture (which is how it truly exists in the world at large), then the potential for reaching a wider audience is being diminished, because the target audience is being narrowed. And this is sort of what bothers me about your comments to the effect that what I'm doing isn't really looping, Mark. Your stance on this is coming from the tape-looping paradigm, which is at least 40 years old. It's like someone writing off electric guitar playing that makes use of feedback and distortion because those things weren't in general use in 1962. These things change with time, man. They move beyond what they used to be. They grow and evolve. This whole thread is about "defining" what looping is. My stance is that it should be defined by what it IS today, in the differeny myriad ways people use, and have used, the cross-stylistic technique and tool that it is. If someone does something with a looper that falls outside of what you commonly think of as looping, then there are two possibilities: you can expand your understanding of the concept, or you can apply your concept to what someone else is doing and say that they don't fit in. I personally think that the former option is much healthier, and much more effective at increasing the overall attractiveness of this "art form." Which is what the web site is supposed to do in the first place. > However, I really think that you can be told what an favorite looper here> does, you can see a demo of it, and still not be > interested in it... until you use one. > I think any web page should be a companion to a live > workshop/demo tour. I've gotten email from one fellow who bought an EDP specifically because of my Analysis Pages, and more specifically because of the ambient material I did five and a half years ago. Another guy here in LA bought one immediately after I did a presentation at the LA Composer's Forum Tech Salon back in August. Steve Lawson told me he got one after listening to my recordings from the end of 2001, but I don't believe he'd ever used one at that point. And of course there are PLENTY of folks who bought some kind of looper after seeing/hearing Robert Fripp or David Torn or some other famous looper do their thing, without having used it themselves. So, giving people a chance to use one hands-on can certainly help, but I know from personal experience that giving people a clear, articulate, well-defined, and musically interesting demonstration of the stuff can and does go a long way in sparking their curiosity. > I know I'd do a demo for free if I was also able to plug a CD > or live show. Would others be good with this? That would mean it would > cost Gibson very little. To me, this isn't a good idea. What you're talking about is teaching, and teaching is a serious proposition. It requires that a person not only understand the subject they're trying to talk about in depth, but are also able to articulate it in an intelligible and attractive manner, so that other people will be interested and intruigued by what they're presenting. Being a teacher/clinician is not easy, and in my own experience it takes a lot of preperatory time. It's *work*. Now, I've been fortunate enough to start making some money through the EDP this year by doing some clinics and private lessons, and I'm extremely, enormously grateful to the people who feel that my time and experience is worth their money. But getting to the point where I understand the EDP well enough to teach someone else about it to the extent that I can, has taken... what, 7 years? And as any professional teacher will tell you, I cannot afford to spend the necessary amount of time it takes to make myself an accomplished teacher within a particular area if I then give away my time. If people expect lessons to be taught for free, then potential teachers and clinicians will need to invest their time in other areas in order to make some kind of living. And the quality of the lessons will likely drop in a dramatic fashion. So yes: giving demos, clinics, etc. is all a very important part of it. But it's something that should be treated like a serious professional endeavor, both by the teacher and by the people being taught. Add to that the fact that, just as there isn't one way to play the guitar, there isn't just one way to use an EDP. Beyond the basic functionality of what the front panel buttons do, there are stylistic and aesthetic areas to be considered. Different instructors or clinicians are going to have different points of emphasis in what they do. It would take me a long, long time to try and use Feedback as fluidly as Matthias does, for instance. By the same token, the reason he invited me up to the LoopIV party was because he personally doesn't use many of the features in the software upgrade. One last side thought, regarding your proposal to use clinics to plug CDs: I get 60 to 70 unique visitors per day on my web site, most of them coming in via my EDP pages. The track "Asana" has been downloaded about 1,000 times since May. But I've sold a very small number of CD's via my website during that time - certainly not anything close to what you might hope for, given the amount of traffic I get. The point here is that exposure and attention is a useful thing, but it does NOT automatically translate into CD or merch sales. Yet another reason why I'm adamant about lessons and clinics not being treated as freebies or volunteer work. Anyway... Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:53:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00562; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:52:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:52:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: OT: RE: Looping Fest in Iowa... and mental imagery overload- please consider reading. Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1034706596.3dac5ea4223b7@www.suitandtieguy.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9kUAPC.A.cG.o_Hr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm writing because of the comments about Iowa and Illinois on this mailing list. Also because a lot of the looping conversations lately have been filled with a subtext that I seem to understand, and I think that a lot of you on this list are somehow aware of something, on some level, in the same way that I'm feeling aware of it. Mark's (I think) comment on "new art forms" yesterday or the day before seemed to hit home with me with regard to "The Hundredth Monkey" and the bringing of people into the awareness of artwork on a deep psychic level: the notion of the eschaton as a painting or sculpture- a monument- like mount Rushmore- visions of the Elders on some spiritual plane being frozen in time so that they appear to be statues, monuments, or sculptures. Note the Norah Jones song about a painting. Note the Kenny Rogers song "If I were A Painting"- both recently discovered by me. Note that I have a picture "The Big Still Life" given to me by my neighbor. All of these images also tie into the idea of predestination and the concept of "painting over" the "photographic reality" of destiny" with the "brush strokes" of free will manifested. Also because many of my mental images this week related to loopback, feedback, and the notion of a spiral movement as describing a structure that loops as it moves forward along the plane of time. Also - this last reference to Illinois. I've been getting lots of Gangster and Chicago references in my mental imagery. In the news today- Illinois- death sentence issues. Wrongly accused people on death row being set free. Related images: Maltese Falcon, Gold phone. Also- Iowa- I think that's where the train, with 11 bodies, was found. I'd been getting lots of images of CORN. Then someone on this list mentioned Iowa. I'd been getting strong images of Mexico this week also. I believe the Iowa train bodies had a link to Mexico. I had been seeing images of trains and played songs about trains almost every say- Saturday, Sunday, and yesterday. I am now getting strong images of busses and bicycles. The bus image is the stronger of the two at the moment. It also seems to tie into the notion of "commuting"- as in- "commuting the sentences of the punished." I saw images of fireworks, a night sky lit up, and missile launches. There's a story in the news today about a missile launch in Southern California. Especially humorous that is was a "Minuteman 11" because I referred to myself last week, and to others, I believe, as the "Last Minute Man". Strong imagery related to Philadelphia. A repeated question: "Is it a pet, a toy, or a menace?" Kept thinking about toys last week- bothered by toys, and dolls, actually. And was also thinking about import, export, and Teddy Bears, and the story "The Teddy Bear Habit." I keep thinking I'm associated with the Teddy Bear. I kept thinking about BRASS IN POCKET - today I see that there are problems at the ports with regard to DOLLS/TOYS made by BRATZ. But I still see something else that must have to do with "Brass"... It is also used in knuckles and possibly- for covering "teeth"? (see my "half-hidden eyes" notes somewhere in here) And of course that leads me to the notion of "brats". I'm seeing images of playful spirits being "brats"- playing jokes on one another- perhaps even like a "celebrity roast" or "wordplay"... I had been thinking a lot about word games and head games and then Bush referred to the problems with Iraq as being "Word Games." Yesterday I was compelled to stretch with my arms above my head. Today my shoulder blade hurts. This coincides withy a news story on CNN this morning about a man trapped who had to keep his arms above his head, and when he was freed, he had suffered a dislocated shoulder blade. You guys were confused by my Mentos-Spree comments last week- remember? Well the MINT issue is still a lingering one for me- both the herb and the money types. The SPREE, apparently, was connected to a premonition about the shooting spree in Virginia/DC/Maryland. I had believed there would be 9 killed. If more get killed, well then that throws this off. However there's also a link, I feel, to the l11 dead in the train and 9 dead plus 2 injured in Iowa. And I've been seeing the number 22. For months, I had been seeing white vans- and even took pictures of white vans outside my house- strangely obsessed with them. I'd also been taking pictures of Roses and Lilies. Lots of references in my life these days to MAGNOLIA- the movie, the flower- and even to the movie "Steel Magnolias". Also references to Dogwood. But the dogwoods, the Cala lilies and other lilies- and also references to orchids and some strange link to pornography- are not as strong today. I now keep seeing images of Mint- money- gold- I even noted something about a bank robber last week. Lots of thief images in general. Thieves and robbers. Breaking and entering. Coming in through a window. Hiding in compartments. Guerillas. Revolutionaries. All seemingly tied together. ** Two reports on CNN just now about things stolen. One about a botched robbery. The quote "explaining to do" - note the connection today to Lucille Ball- and Ricky "Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do!" Also think of the scene in Thelma and Louise when Gina Davis holds up a supermarket, and note how it was used in the media within the movie to make the two women, inherently good- to be criminals. Which in the end leads to them committing suicide by driving off a cliff. I keep hearing the question: "Is it a crime" battling with "Am I right" and the notion of people taking part in actions which are technically illegal but which seem to them to be the ethically correct choice. TONS of external pressure to have a DVD player and to get my DVD player working. DVD? DVD? What IS it? This past weekend (or week) I was having visions of a sloping structure with pyramid style entry portals- I was seeing pyramids- I was seeing lotus flower references yesterday and kept thinking I was supposed to be sitting in the Lotus position- and I was seeing hieroglyphs. Today I see that this all coincides with the new building in Alexandria Egypt. I kept seeing Hershey's kisses. Well, Shirley Maclaine was part of that. I kept seeing heart shaped jewelry- Shirley Maclaine, on her web site- has the pink heart pendant that corresponds exactly to the green-blue heart pendant that I have. I kept thinking "hands over heart- protect heart. I kept feeling like a prisoner. I kept seeing pirates. I kept feeling that when the prisoner would be freed, his lover would be waiting for him. Yesterday I was compelled to play a song about LOVE AND DEVOTION. I went to the Hershey's web site and saw the story of the Claddagh: "This Irish legend of love and devotion dates back to 1690 when Richard Joyce was captured by pirates and sold as a slave to a Turkish goldsmith. As his years in captivity passed, he learned the goldsmith's trade and longed to go back home to Claddagh, a small fishing village on the west coast of Ireland." I kept seeing images of the Titanic. And the DEAD on a sunken vessel crying out from beneath the sea, and have been feeling trapped in my apartment... Now there's a movie coming out called "Ghost Ship." I have been seeing signs about Giants battling Angels. Giants being not associated with me- and someone of the "giant sort" said he "keeps elves". I keep getting Angel associations. I did not know that the Giants and Angels were battling for the pennant, so when I saw this today- I was a bit perturbed. And curious. The illegal sale of radar equipment from the Ukraine to Iraq also has a link to visions or experiences I've had. I keep thinking that my psychic impulses are mirrored by another "rabbit with ears half-hidden under turban" in the Iraqi Parliament. I keep seeing ears half-hidden and eyes half-hidden. The eyes half-hidden are not under a turban, but under a hat- a loose floppy hat- images I've seen are- hip hop artists, and the mad hatter- associated with this. Heavy metals are associated with this. The mad hatter suffered from Mercury poisoning. The kid on MTV's "Cribs" yesterday, with this eyes half hidden under floppy hat- had metal covered teeth. Is in not true that a rather heave metal is used for tooth coverings? Lots of references to rabbits and hip hop. Seems funny- they may not be linked- they might be separate images, but my brain just put those two together. Lots of imagery of gold, and coin pressing. Lots of imagery of Jade. There was a story about jade stolen from a sacred site in Latin America on CNN this morning. Imagery about jigsaw puzzles- putting the pieces together. I wrote about the end of the movie Citizen Kane- where Kane and his wife are separated by their immersion in their own puzzles. In the end he drops the crystal ball and says "Rosebud." - I've been seeing references to "Rose" and "Buddy" and "Rose buds" as images of flowers opening up from a tightly closed state- the state of origin being like that of cabbages or Brussels Sprouts. Then also - lots of Physics imagery, especially" Gravity and "Strange Attractors"- I saw Newton's Apple- I have been seeing a lot about Franklin's experiment with the key, the string, and the Lightning Storm. I am being drawn to signs that point to a "Quiet Storm" - as is the name of the album by Sade to which I was drawn this morning based upon sidewise/indirect references that I'm been seeing lately. I've been seeing a lot related to "dyslexia" and "illiteracy" and "learning new languages" and "Rosetta stones" and these images are tied in with the "Future Speak" article in the SF Weekly and these are also reinforcing the "Rose" concept and these are also tied into my visions of "hieroglyphs" and my recent fascination with FONTS and the notion of two things" 1. STYLE - which I've asked about on this list with regard to music production (lots of JAZZ imagery in my mental palette also) and 2. ENCRYPTION- consider how a plain English sentence is unreadable when converted to the symbols font. To read an English sentence in the "SYMBOL font" - you get the chart of the ASCII values for each symbol and convert the text back into standard ASCII characters. This is a de-encryption concept similar to public key, private key. I've been getting LOTS of imagery about BREAD. Have not yet figured that one about. Maybe I'm just not eating enough. Lots of images of Wisconsin, lots of images of CHEESE, lots of images of "nuggets" and well- yes- "Grape Nuts". Finally- so many images of feedback and loopback and people asking "Am I the cause, or are you? Is it me, or is it you?" Lots of images of redheads and blondes. Comments on CNN today about redheads needing to be anaesthetized more than other people or else they might "wake up during surgery" and that would not be good. Hm. I'm a Strawberry blond when my hair is its natural color- somewhere between red and blond- but currently my hair is red- I've been getting a lot of pressure to "go blonde"- perhaps as in "dumb blonde" or "dizzy blonde" Lots of star images, ladder images- both related to the Chevy Astro vans wioth the ladder- and - the van being sought apparently has one headlight out- the LEFT tail light. I've been getting lots of images of Cyclops, or one eye damaged or poked out. Also of Left Eye Lopez from TLC. The vision in my left eye is much worse than the vision in my right eye. Lots of imagery about unequalized vision- imbalance- and seeing out of one eye. Also a lot of imagery about "tunnel vision." Lots of images also about tunnels. And entrances to tunnels- imagine the vision of the entrance to a tunnel seen in the side of a mountain- a train tunnel or a highway tunnel - OR A MINESHAFT. Images of being trapped in the dark- needing a flashlight. Images of BASKETBALL. Images of Frankenstein. And his evil twin? And being pulled out of a box? BRAIN SWITCH imagery. Pressure to "trade places" with someone else. This is something real in my life- 1. my friend John wants me to switch apartments with him for a few months and 2. something about my red-haired friend Jennifer. I message about a "Jennifer in charge of a subversive plot to rescue or kidnp." Images of a BEACH. Long Beach? Long Island Sound? Lots of references to a Jackie- and to the Kennedys- and possibly then to Jackie Onassis. Images of Tattooed Love Boys (consider the Pretenders song)- consider Sugar Ray- consider Eminem. Note also that Eminem and Pink's latest songs have had a lot of meaning to me. LOTS of imagery about driving- driving school- driving instructors- and the fear driving instructors have when trying to teach someone who is perhaps destined to be a bad driver: Note jokes by Bob Newhart and about Anna Nicole- and note the CNN news story this morning of a car hit by a truck as it backed out of a driveway. The tropical storm announced today is called "Marco" - I was just listening to the Adam Ant song "A Man Called Marco" on Saturday and it seemed like a sign of something. Lots of imagery about MARRIAGE and of babies, and pregnancy. And the purchase of a new home. Geez, I could write more but then I'd never send this. A lot about PINE trees- and the Methusalah pine being cloned. Ties in with roses in that both have SCENTS. SENSE = CENTS = SCENTS = homonyms. Please don't hate me but I had to communicate these image manifestations to somebody and you seemed like the correct group. In fact I think some of you will once again ask "why is MIKO shouting?" Peoria = Praetoria = Sandra Bullock = The Net? Lot's of imagery about identity being stolen, identity being LOST. Bungee Jumping- sky diving- crushed head. Issues of not-trusted cord. Keep getting messages about ONE HOUR. Which means I had better hurry up and end this. Apparently I have work to do. Something about something happening in the last hour. Well, and yes, I'm waking up. Especially in the last hour. Lots of imagery of bacteria- especially in things rotting- smelling bad- I definitely need a shower- need to bring my trash out- need to clean out my refrigerator- need to finish my dishes. Lots of images of things smelling bad. Lots of images about "sequences" - "sequential" - and "chronology" - lots of pressure to have a WATCH and to know what time it is. Lots of images of symbolic Bells- of the Liberty Bells- of the Tibetan Bells experience. Lots of images about someone young and a relationship with an "old geezer" - a pressure for marriage but also- in a totally different way- the relationship of a father and son and father and daughter. Twisted mixed up image of "father and son" intertwined with "you don't have to marry the old geezer"... CNN - just commented on "father daughter" issue and someone using "family members as a human shield." Yesterday - a focus on blue- today- blue chip rally. Repeated images of Viagra????? Sounds like a bunch of BULL to me. Finally: ANALYZE THIS. OK, so that's all for now. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Williamson [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:30 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Fest in Iowa...How bout it? i'm in Peoria IL. count me in!!! i have a pair of Mackie SR1530s if you don't have a PA for the thing. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 16:55:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01042; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:54:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:54:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC8056.AFE69891@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:53:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! References: <3DAB0A1300001127@mta08.san.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20021015141107.008c2a00@pop.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shit! I bought the wrong thing again! the 307 does not... in real time record I should say. It will in step record. Is this what you're talking about? That would be OK, but I like the way I've been using a cheap roland drum pad to input notes into the 307 Goddess wrote: > The 505 allows for this. You can add or subtract from a looping pattern > while it plays. -or play along with it without recording. > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 08:53 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be > >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo > >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. > > > >Mark > > > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: > > > >> Hi Mark, > >> > >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it > >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a > >> looper > >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) > >> > >> peace > >> -cpr > >> > >>> -- Original Message -- > >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 > >>> From: Mark Sottilaro > >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we > >>> do! > >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey Per, > >>> > >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but > >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. > >> > >>> Can you change that in your preferences? > >>> > >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. > >>> > >>> ? > >>> > >>> Mark Sottilaro > >>> > >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi > >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I > >>>> didn't > >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a > >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can > >>>> "freeze" > >>> > >>>> a > >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi > >>>> looper" > >>>> ;-) > >>>> > >>>> All the best > >>>> > >>>> Per Boysen > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 17:21:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04206; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:15:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:15:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:13:06 +0200 Subject: Re: Line6-problems From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <69FFE82C-E00A-11D6-993B-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA04135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 15.10.2002 8:50 Uhr schrieb Stuart Wyatt unter stuart@solostring.com: > > On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Carsten Wegener wrote: > >> Do you understand the >> programming-thing with the DL4 and give me some hint? > > To program what you want the footpedal to control, you just have to > move the desired knob on the DL4, press the pedal down, move the knob > then to the maximum position that you want, and then move the pedal > accordingly.... Please bear in mind that the Line6 pedal does not have > a stereo connection (like most volume/expression pedals), but a mono > connection. I've experimented with a 'stereo' pedal, and it was a > little erratic. > > I've just read the above paragraph, and realise that I need to drink > more coffee. > > Are you using the Line6 expression pedal? > To get more in details: I do a programming on one of the three switches. I thought the memory is the setting of the five right knobs(Delaytime, repeats, tweak, tweez and mix) which then can be applied to the different delaymodels. But when i change the mode, the setting is changing(which i can see by the tempochange of the tap tempo LED).so i ask myself, if i entered another setting( maybe a preset that is different for every delaymode?) or if there is more than three programmable memories (that seems the least possible to me). Is my point clearer now? I am using the pedal( I think it´s the greatest feature of the DL4). I don´t understand your stereo/mono-point. I use a mono-pedal, but is this the reason,why there is such a small range(not even half the way from heel to toe) in that the change of sound happens? CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 17:23:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04793; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:20:35 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026801c27490$b36c3140$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20021014224853.009af9a0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021015134801.007dd890@pop.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i agree. you can also add manually performing a loop on an instrument to that list. if it's music and it uses loops, it's looping music. it seems like gibson would be most interested in what the edp is generally used for. i would call that "real-time audio looping" (as have some ld posters). you could be more explicit and call it "real-time audio performance loop sampling", but i don't think all those extra syllables are justified. otoh, i think shortening this to "looping" causes a lot of confusion. even on this list, where people are generally aware of the concepts. what will happen to our poor child when it is out in the "real world" poor, little misunderstood looper child. see him there? all alone in the rain... poor little bugger... also: i don't really see why it is so important whether what is looped was recorded 10 seconds ago or 10 minutes, or 10 days, or 10 years... as far as gymnastics go, it is important; but is it musically important? and: would painters that use spray paint call their work spraying? > Mark, but I personally don't do all of my looping in real time. -and > frankly, I'm not sure why people seem to need that distinction in what they > do. I also don't do all of my looping with audio sampling either. I also > use a sequencer for midi looping both in real time and prerecorded. > It's all "Looping" to me, and from the name, comes the emphasis on the > loops themselves in relation to the music in general, as part and source. > -just my thoughts of course, and thanks for the great posts... > > Smiles, > > CQ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 17:40:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05898; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: up in smoke - times 2! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:35:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021015160726.02874460@mail.pdfsystems.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <70ssM.A.gaB.9oIr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com engulf -----Original Message----- From: anti:clockwise [mailto:anticlockwise@tensionheadache.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: up in smoke - times 2! > on 15 Oct 2002 12:25:21 EDT > jprice AKASHMUSIC@aol.com said > the name LD made me think of and the image of the sugarhill gang's "rappers delight"...and > with the looped connections/ramifications etc it just all seems natural to me to think that way. then i know you'll be sorry to hear of the "destruction of the temple". the home of said disc - and so, so many others - sugar hill studio burned on firday.... *sniff* (and scratch...) i know it's always sad to hear of a passing-from-the-scene such as this. then again - places don't have to burn down to be destroyed... just look what they did to electric lady. christ, what an abomination! it belongs in back page of one of those old-house-fixup mags, where they show you botched renovation jobs (called "remuddling", i think.) but sentamentalistics _do_ have their limits. i was sorta thinking about renting a pickup truck and wandering over to englewood to check out the dumpster. on an asordid note: tono-bungay in performance tomorrow that's weds 10/16 at N6 in williamsburg with kinski subarachnoid space jai young $5 set times: jy: 8; t - b: 9, ss: 10, k:11 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 17:45:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06333; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:41:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:41:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: sine@zerocrossing.net Message-ID: <3DAC8B50.4864CA6F@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:40:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spreading the word... web sites, lessons, and clinics (was: The Loop Movements) References: <3DAC70EF.29DE75C7@zerocrossing.net> <3DAC7F0D.DC18D18A@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I think this is going to be my last post to LD for a while, as I'm obviously not being understood. Perhaps it's my writing style, I don't know. I do know that I'm spending a lot of time doing it and I'm not sure why anymore. I would like to clear up a few things though, but introduce nothing that can be misinterpreted in any way. Andre LaFosse wrote: > > 1) Matthias' original proposal explicitly singled out specific styles of > music as being unworthy of inclusion, because they didn't seem to fit in > with the niche he wanted to promote. For instance, he said that Rap > music that used a real-time looper wouldn't fit in. Did he say this? I read his posts and got nothing like that from them, but I could have missed them. While he was my temporary neighbor we had the time to talk and it would strike me odd to hear that he was against any form of music that used loops or the EDP to be promoted on this new site. I for one stated many times that I think modern dance music would be the most logical place to start marketing any looper. > > If, on the other hand, the web site showcases the overall scope of how > real-time looping can be used, and they can see Jon Brion doing his > one-man-band pop-song thing, they'll see and hear a brilliant example of > exactly what they want to do. Matthias' spiritual journey can still be > there, and still be accessible for the people who are curious, to > discover as they may. > But if that becomes the whole focus of the angle, rather than one facet > of the overall picture (which is how it truly exists in the world at > large), then the potential for reaching a wider audience is being > diminished, because the target audience is being narrowed. I *totally* agree with that statement. Someone's spiritual manefesto really has no place on a main page that promotes loopers. > And this is sort of what bothers me about your comments to the effect > that what I'm doing isn't really looping, Mark. Your stance on this is > coming from the tape-looping paradigm, which is at least 40 years old. > It's like someone writing off electric guitar playing that makes use of > feedback and distortion because those things weren't in general use in > 1962. > > These things change with time, man. They move beyond what they used to > be. They grow and evolve. Dude, are you reading my posts? I thought the point of Matthias's question was to see if the word "looper" was the best that could describe what we're doing. That was just my speculation about the word, not what you're doing. What I was saying was that the word looper was from an old paradigm and maybe wasn't the right word to descrive what we're doing. It was about how the imperfect term looping is to the general public when trying to describe something as multifacited as what you're doing. (see also:comlement) Of course you're fucking looping. That's the word we've got. If we were German, it would be a word like, "Audioloopenplayerreorderrsplat" or something. All we've got is "looper" If you had read on, you would have seen that in the end I believe that looper is the best term we have for ourselves (even you!) even though it's an oversimplification. Remember, this is a thread about how to market what we're doing. BTW, I buy and promote your albums. > If someone does something with a looper that falls outside of what you > commonly think of as looping, then there are two possibilities: you can > expand your understanding of the concept, or you can apply your concept > to what someone else is doing and say that they don't fit in. I > personally think that the former option is much healthier, and much more > effective at increasing the overall attractiveness of this "art form." > Which is what the web site is supposed to do in the first place. Right. See above. I have said this in my posts.> I know I'd do a demo for free if I was also able to plug a CD > > or live show. Would others be good with this? That would mean it would > > cost Gibson very little. > > To me, this isn't a good idea. What you're talking about is teaching, > and teaching is a serious proposition. It requires that a person not > only understand the subject they're trying to talk about in depth, but > are also able to articulate it in an intelligible and attractive manner, > so that other people will be interested and intruigued by what they're presenting. Right, I've been a professional teacher. I know all about it. My father was one, and my father... I was saying DEMO, not teaching. I never once said teaching. Just a demo to show the possibilites, and a small clinic where people could try it out for 5 min or so with the guidence of the person who gave the demo. I'm sorry the money thing isn't going well for you. I'm constantly afraid of being fired myself. If you do not want to do this for free, so be it. I felt this would be a labour of love to benefit us all. Frankly, I don't even use an EDP, as mine was so defective it was barely operational. I also like the Repeater a bit better, to be honest. I'd still brush up on my EDP skills to give a basic demo because I feel it's important for me to make some sacrafice so that Gibson will continue to make EDPs and possibliy get other manufacturers to make similar products. Off list, I offered my web design as well. I was ignored. Fine. I've got plenty going, believe me. good night loopers, Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 17:47:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06083; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:38:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:38:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ec01c27493$7bbd1900$32484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021015160726.02874460@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Re: up in smoke - times 2! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:40:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I really like the name - it is just a bit lighter than it could easily have been - some mailing lists can get so up their own ass (I'm sure we do that rather well, even with a jolly name... :o) but anyway, as a great man once said 'I said a hip hop the hippie the hippie to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat' or words to that effect... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "anti:clockwise" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: up in smoke - times 2! > > > > > on 15 Oct 2002 12:25:21 EDT > > jprice AKASHMUSIC@aol.com said > > > the name LD made me think of and the image of the sugarhill gang's > "rappers delight"...and > > with the looped connections/ramifications etc it just all seems natural > to me to think that way. > > then i know you'll be sorry to hear of the "destruction of the temple". the > home of said disc - and so, so many others - sugar hill studio burned on > firday.... *sniff* (and scratch...) > > i know it's always sad to hear of a passing-from-the-scene such as this. > > then again - places don't have to burn down to be destroyed... just look > what they did to electric lady. christ, what an abomination! it belongs in > back page of one of those old-house-fixup mags, where they show you botched > renovation jobs (called "remuddling", i think.) > > but sentamentalistics _do_ have their limits. i was sorta thinking about > renting a pickup truck and wandering over to englewood to check out the > dumpster. > > on an asordid note: > tono-bungay in performance tomorrow that's weds 10/16 > > at N6 in williamsburg > with > kinski > subarachnoid space > jai young > > $5 set times: jy: 8; t - b: 9, ss: 10, k:11 > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 17:49:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06337; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:41:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:41:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ed01c27493$cd5af520$32484ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021015160726.02874460@mail.pdfsystems.com> Subject: Loop 4 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:42:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...just got EDP #2, this time with Loop IV - what fun!! Anyone who hasn't upgraded yet really should now - the new features, especially the half/double speed thing ROCK! I've ditched the DL4 from my touring set up for now... very interesting discussions of late - having a BIG tour to prepare for and a new EDP to learn, I've not got time to contribute to much, other than to say that looping is all and none of the above, and the diversity of it enthralls me. Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 17:56:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07743; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:53:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:53:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021015215222.25362.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:52:22 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: re: FCB1010 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <8dSAyB.A.R4B.b4Ir9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Since I see you want to control multiple devices with the FCB1010, there is something else you should know. The 1010 is seriously limited to using only one midi channel, period. For all the banks. Unless you can configure one of your devices to remap midi commands, it is almost certain that a command sent to one device will do something unwanted to another device. I found this out when trying to use the 1010 with a Repeater and Behringer effects box. Both the Repeater and Behringer have fixed midi commands on a single channel. The 1010 must be configured to this one channel, so when I want to send a cc 55 to the Behringer, the Repeater also gets a cc 55. Weird things happen... Your note on/note off question I'm not sure about, but check recent L-D traffic about a 1010 firmware upgrade that may help. Yours in rhythm, Steve Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:30:08 -0500 From:"john smith" To:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FCB1010 question and response with support team To all and any concerned, Below, I've pasted part of my correspondence with a support person at BEHRINGER concerning the FCB 1010. I'm hoping that some of you will find the info useful and/or be able to answer some of the questions I've asked. If so, on either account, great. Some of the questions I ask below (pertaining to cc comands) were answered by Srice in that person's last posted message. Thanks to you! OK, Here you go: __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:00:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08368; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:56:34 +0200 Subject: Re: piezo film transducers From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 10.10.2002 20:34 Uhr schrieb Jonathan El-Bizri unter ssrndpty@hotmail.com: > > Group buy anyone? > > bIz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carsten Wegener" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:04 AM > Subject: Re: piezo film transducers > > >> am 04.10.2002 22:14 Uhr schrieb Alex Stahl unter alex@pixar.com: >> >>> You can get smaller quantities from Digikey. www.digikey.com >>> >>>> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may >>>> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. >>>> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price >>>> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT >>>> of pickups. They make great gifts. >>>> >>>> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> -Hans >>> >> What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or > something >> different? What about the sound and the sensetivity? >> Thanks carsten >> > I am still very interested in buying some of these sensors. But after having visited several homepages i still which one (size, thickness etc.) is the right one for my purposes(Pickup for acoustic instruments ranging from doublebass to smaller stringinstruments similar to ukulele or mandoline).It be because my english is not to good, that i really get lost on these technical websites(I sometimes get lost even when reading the Loopers Delight Messages especially the deeper philosophical stuff). Can someone help me with this? Thanks CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:17:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10808; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:16:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:16:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:18:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Distortion Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >funny old thread this... I always thought a looper was just an effect >pedal... now you see its not that simple :-) >I wonder if they're having such a tricky time defining what they do over at >"Distortion Delight"? I wonder whether they organize Distortion Festivals... but I wont go there! LOL -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:17:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10810; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:16:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:16:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:19:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Send to the immediate future... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >You just watch, wait, and hope he stops when you hit puberty again. LOL! I knew it was worth the effort to go on reading your crazy post, Miko! ;-) > >what happens when the Celestial Toymaker hits "reverse" on his Time Loop? > >does the Tardis have an EDP in it's console for such emergencies? > >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:18:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11000; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:17:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:17:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5E105125.7733A7E2.0269DAB0@aol.com> References: <5E105125.7733A7E2.0269DAB0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:20:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: east meets west Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >what a gas playing on the same bill with suano inami and rick walker..... oh, right, thats where he was ;-) >but those 13 or so folk got an ear full of looping and i feel that >they liked it alot.....i think that the only way to get more >interest in looping is to play out, be it a coffee house gig, a book >store, on the street, a festival (more we need more) or some type of >show, let people hear and see what the heck it is that we are >collectively doing.....web sites are great but a face to face >conversation is much more powerful unless you're trying to talk to >suano and your japanese is a bit rusty....! >.:).....what a nice fellow he is!.....more later, im off to the >airport and headed east.....michael the only way? 13 at a time? I hope the site can bring you some more public to the future shows! I completely agree that the praxis is all that counts in the end! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:19:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11141; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <80.2339027b.2add9b71@aol.com> References: <80.2339027b.2add9b71@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:21:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Delightful . . . Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1UveSB.A.ztC.0QJr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com funny that this subject comes up now, but it illustrates a bit what I am recently heading for: ask the comunity before giving a name. Kim did not have that choice then, I guess, because there was no community yet. I personally did not like the name so much, but was not sure whether I understood it right. >Think about it -- how "business.com" and "pets.com" and >all those other places with generic names never managed to make >any headway while companies with weird names like >Amazon and Yahoo developed a brand-following. > >Death before blandness! > > /t -- interesting point... I remember harddisk.com (selling just that) went out of business... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11432; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009001c27421$470a5f00$0201a8c0@eluk> References: <009001c27421$470a5f00$0201a8c0@eluk> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:22:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I suspect that when I have the time to go on and on about What I Do, I'm not >doing whatever It is. I *do* know that What I Do is certainly *not* talking >about It, nor teaching anyone to do It. Instead I prefer to, as the Nike >ads used to say, "Just Do It". thats what I did, so far, but there is no reason to "go on and on". When you know what you do, you do it *and* can offer it to others that ask you what you do, no? Musicians usually do this naturally when they create their album cover, site, stage visual... I like "soundtrack for life at the moment", by the way! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:20:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11433; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:19:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:19:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8A2C4F64-E008-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <8A2C4F64-E008-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:21:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Mark, this is great! To make it clear again: the new site will be sponsored by Gibson, but is not their marketing space, it will not be talking about EDP, but yes about the characteristics you point at! And: dont forget the public: Its a bit more dificult to make clear to a *listener*, why the music created under the said circumstances is interesting for him! >> With a lot of >>pop, it's more of the hook and vocal, and visual performance. All of these >>use loops extensively, but none seem to stress the idea of the loops >>themselves, or their evolution like so called loopers do. Does this make >>sense? > >I think it's not about the importance or the evolution of the loops >that define what we do. It's the fact that we do it in a real time >situation. That's the beauty and the fun of looping right? If not, >why would I have purchased my Repeaters? I've got a very nice hard >disk recording setup and the ability to loop patterns until the cows >come home. I could simulate the effect of how I use a Repeater... >but would it be the same? I think no. What's different is the live >interaction between my current self, and the self of a few seconds >(or minutes!) ago. I'm a new and different person, yet here are my >actions haunting me. I must deal with them. I must make them >understand what I've become. Together we are making the future. >This is the excitement. > >The EDP: Send the immediate future some music... > >What would the you of 198 seconds from now think of the current you? >Find out with Gibson's EDP. > >Those who don't study their past are doomed to repeat it. Save >yourself the time and toil with Gibson's new EDP! > >Like 12 Monkeys, but with a groove... mmm twelve grooving monkeys... > >Mark Sottilaro -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:21:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11577; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <773061B7-E054-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <773061B7-E054-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:22:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well dAS, what Matthias is trying to do is come up with a good >marketing angle for the Gibson EDP website. Makes sense, as if the >EDP does well, we all benefit. If the EDP is making money, maybe >other manufactures will jump on board and they're will be more >looping devices to choose from. Perhaps someone will even market a >kiddie turntable nail device? nono, its a new, independent website, no EDP marketing (well, not directly ;-) But send your suggestions to Kevin anyway, he may want to use them on the Gibson site... ;-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:21:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11790; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:21:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:21:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4BA15099-E056-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> References: <4BA15099-E056-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:23:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please make a little effort to change the subject when its not right any more thank you >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to >be able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able >to undo a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd >like to do. > >Mark > >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: > >>Hi Mark, >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it >>continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a looper >>of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >>peace >>-cpr >> >>>-- Original Message -- >>>Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >>>From: Mark Sottilaro >>>Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! >>>To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> >>>Hey Per, >>> >>>Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >>>you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >>>Can you change that in your preferences? >>> >>>I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >>> >>>? >>> >>>Mark Sottilaro >>> >>>On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>>>I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >>>>arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I didn't >>>>continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >>>>Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can "freeze" >>> >>>>a >>>>midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi looper" >>>>;-) >>>> >>>>All the best >>>> >>>>Per Boysen -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:26:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12419; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:26:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:26:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAC9576.D2D1298B@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:23:50 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! References: <18.2736101c.2add7843@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay, i get it..thump thump on the head.... all the techno-babble was making me sleepy i didn't realise the thread had turned into gibson promotion. i was just replying to the idea of a discription/definition of 'loop-music' or 'looping' and think it is not any dependent on any singular technology. Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > das@ubuibi.org writes: > > >my point being that i do not think pidgeon-holing is needed at this time, > matthias -(designer of edp)- is trying to enlist your helpful suggestions for > the new gibson-sponsored 'looping-as-artform' website..... hence, his request > for attractive verbal representations of looping..... > Well dAS, what Matthias is trying to do is come up with a good marketing angle for the Gibson EDP website. Makes sense, as if the EDP does well, we all benefit. If the EDP is making money, maybe other manufactures will jump on board and they're will be more looping devices to choose from. Perhaps someone will even market a kiddie turntable nail device? I always wish Roland would put some decent melotron patches in their synths. Mark Sottilaro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:32:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13600; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:31:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:31:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAC96B4.5BBAE0CE@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:29:08 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: leaseetsllitogetherowndefinehateo! References: <18.2736101c.2add7843@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the optigon site is great, been there several times. have you gotten your disc's back ? i have 3 optigons, one in the midst of being chopped. so always on the hunt for parts and discs... meow Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > i have an optigan, w/all discs. > while fixing it (2 years ago), i broke it; it lives in a storage closet, now. > so, david keane borrowed my discs (and some other folks') for a while, and > built a very nice commercially-available sample-set (see: www.optigan.com) > --- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:45:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17130; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:45:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:45:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c2749c$c2771720$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <009001c27421$470a5f00$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:44:25 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 23:22:PM Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) > > > >I suspect that when I have the time to go on and on about What I Do, I'm not > >doing whatever It is. I *do* know that What I Do is certainly *not* talking > >about It, nor teaching anyone to do It. Instead I prefer to, as the Nike > >ads used to say, "Just Do It". > > thats what I did, so far, but there is no reason to "go on and on". > When you know what you do, you do it *and* can offer it to others > that ask you what you do, no? I suppose it's one of the reasons I tend to wait to be asked before just assuming everyone wants to know. :) Perhaps it's fortunate that I'm also a cartoonist, hm? Reg'lar folks unnerstand THAT...! > Musicians usually do this naturally when they create their album > cover, site, stage visual... I find though that PLANNING same can sometimes be a disingenous-feeling process, as if one is being more contrived, perhaps. Sometimes I prefer it to just happen, given a set of parameters/perimeters, with everything in between a "wonderful accident". > I like "soundtrack for life at the moment", by the way! What music do YOU have playing in your head when you're walking down the street? I had a dream the other night, I was above the banks of a rushing river, right before a waterfall. Floating down the river, buoyant as boats, were structures of energy, like spherical tinkertoys, the spheres being sub-structures to the whole, in a sense like each one for a single track/instrument/pattern. The structures were entire songs, the ones I compose in my head when I'm just tottering around, and they passed me, each playing unique music, before falling over the falls, and out of earshot. And, probably, out of immediate memory. I was certain in the dream that the songs going past were NEW to me, nothing I'd done before -- and I had to watch their "death", all the time realizing that I wasn't recording them in any way. It's like that sometimes I suppose. If I like the piece or two I've constructed upstairs, it'll make it home in recent memory, enough for me to execute a draft of sorts and keep it for later. But lately I think of all the songs that just aren't going to exist as anything other than temporary personal soundtrack music, before flowing off into the fugue-like mass of of the past, never to be seen but perhaps in parts, emerging in other pieces sometime in the future. I've counted a sad ratio of 1:10 that make it home, and wonder what things would be like being able to compose-record more often. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 18:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18519; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:58:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:58:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:08:50 -0700 Message-Id: <200210151608.AA80937074@lanes.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "mark penner" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I call what I do Freestyle Looping. __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 19:14:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22575; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:13:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:13:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3037437A-DFDB-11D6-A9BA-0003937B76DC@mac.com> References: <3037437A-DFDB-11D6-A9BA-0003937B76DC@mac.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:15:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I would say that Fripp was my first exposure to looping as well. >At the time I considered it a technique, like slide guitar or two >hand tapping. The technique informs the music. The technique shapes >the musics form. ok, you can explain maybe some part of looping feeling to a musician through this, but to the public, its more difficult... >Yeah, okay I think that works. > > >On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 08:59 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>...there are plenty of people like myself whose >>introduction to looping came primarily via Fripp's work, so there's a bit >>of a tendency to think that looping as a serious improvisational form >>began with _No Pussyfooting_ and the live application thereof with the >>_Exposure_ "non-tour;" I've been guilty of this sort of thinking myself. >>Thanks to this list, I'm becoming more and more aware of the history >>behind the art form all the time. hey I did not say that, I just quoted it -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 19:16:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23263; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:15:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:15:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DAC74A9.794FECCD@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DAC74A9.794FECCD@zerocrossing.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:18:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias Grob wrote: > >> sorry, I think one of the strongest marketing arguments we have is >> that loop music is mostly created by naturaly vibrating instruments, >> controlled by a competent expressive musician, as it was in the >> passed, though combined with the technology of exact repetition. To >> bring the word Syth into it would be rather a damage. > >I totally think that you're off here.. in your attitude about synth. Synth >players are (stereotype coming, please stand by) used to new models coming out >often. New products are released all the time, it's a lot more like the >computer world. People are less afraid of "new." This is a big >market IMO for >your product. you got me wrong, I was thinking of the non musician, getting the feel of what he can hear from a looper, which he cannot hear from a synth/sequencer. By now even the public knows that with MIDI you can do "anything" and very many are sick of listening to NoteON - NoteOFF. So the inclusion of "natural instruments" into automatically repeated music is one of the novelties of looping. the musician will see easily that he can connect a synth, once he understands the looping art form. But this is all stuff we have been through many times here. >If any marketing strategy is going to succeed, we're going to have to > >A) Define our target market. (we already know our current market of nitch >guitar geeks, experimental electronics, and prog rockers) who do we DON'T have >that we want to reach? Who can we reach? If we target Electronica/Synth >players and DJs, they will spread the word, I'm sure. I was thinking more of the public, and they will not percieve the difference in those ranges of sound. > >B) Keep is SIMPLE. Trying to say and be everything is the best way to say and >be nothing. I see our clients insisting on being horrifically verbose (as >we're being) and losing the audience. The message never gets across because >people have zoned out. totally agreed, we talk a lot here in order to boil it down to some simple "pictures". but it does not seem to work out. >C) Elect a few firm leaders. The buck needs to stop with a few strong >leaders. Marketing by committee is never very good. Too many cooks... thats one of the next steps. Do you like to cook? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 19:16:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23306; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:16:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:16:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DAB6537.A0A4ABFF@earthlink.net> References: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> <3DAB6537.A0A4ABFF@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:18:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: What is being promoted? (was: define what we do!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Well, I think a choice needs to be made in terms of what the purpose of >the web site is. Are you trying to promote looping as a vast, >encompassing tool? Or are you trying to promote a narrowly-defined >stylistic and aesthetic group of artists, who happen to use looping in a >particular manner? do you really want to ask this? Or say all this: >These are two very different aims, and my suspicion is that they're very >close to being mutually exclusive. well, its not *my* choice, thats why we are discussing it! of course it would be nice to promote the work of all of us, but how? > > I am a bit overwhelmed by all you are contributing. >> Much of it is on the negative side: Its not... Dont define, it may >>exclude... >> Its not possible to do it balanced and including all options... > >It depends on what exactly you want to do. Setting up a website >showcasing all the different known styles where looping is used would be >a relatively clear objective - subdivide each section according to >genres, and include noteworthy artists/recordings/events in each one. good! How would you "subdivide"? >So people who've never heard of Robert Fripp but really like Chet Atkins >could be drawn in by his Grammy-award winning use of a JamMan in a song >of the same name. Jazz fans who don't want to hear about Ritchie >Hawtin's Repeater exploits could be intrigued by Bill Frisell or John >Scofield's stuff. And so forth. right! Please do the "so forth", too, what more? >If you genuinely want to showcase the diversity of the >technique/technology/instrument of looping as a whole, it seems pretty >clear that this is the way you would need to go. > >If, on the other hand, you want to showcase a specific and narrow focus >of some of the people who use looping, and who use it in a particular >kind of way and/or with a particular aesthetic in mind, then you're >going to be reducing the potential appeal of the site to the general >public. That means fewer visitors will be inclined to find out about it. so thats not it. my thinking was that concentrating on the main thing would make it clearer and thus attract more public, or at least, animate them more. >It also means that people who visit the site and hear the select artists >who are represented there will start associating "looping" with the >material they heard there. If they don't like what they heard, they >might pass on some other artist they WOULD have liked simply because >that other person uses looping, but the listener now has a negative >stylistic preconception about it in their minds. And they might not be >inclined to buy a looper for themselves, because they assume it's >supposed to be used for a type of music they don't want to play, or >fundamentally imposes a structure they don't like. right, thats a problem. Its hard to select the right samples and even harder to say who has the competency to it. Thats why I am looking for other ways to pass the idea, more instant, more englobing. >So: this is what I personally would like to see in such a website: > >1) A list of lots of different musical styles where looping is used, >with some well-known names in each one. A "Looping in Jazz" section >with Scofield, Frisell, Josh Redman, etc. A "Jamband" section with Trey >Anastasio, Keller Williams, et al. An "ambient" section with Fripp, >Steve Roach, and others. An "electronica" section with Torn, Hawtin, >and so forth. An "avant garde" page with Eliot Sharp and Henry >Kaiser. Etc... hm... interesting you name almost noone of this list do any of those guys play somehow similar to you, Steve,,, what I addressed in "the loop movement"? >2) Some clear audio (and ideally, video) examples of this stuff in >action. Hear exactly how Scofield uses his looper. Listen to Trey >setting up his woo-woo Boomerang loops. Etc. I dont think "how exactly..." would be very interesting for the public, but there may also be space for such... >3) Some interviews with artists talking specifically about how they use >the technology in their music. What does it mean to them, how does it >change their music, and so forth. yes! >4) An "open registery" similar to the "profiles" page on Looper's >Delight, except that it can be searched according to style and genre. >And let artists put a "sounds like" thing into the search engine, >according to who they're closely associated with. So someone who wants >to discover looping a la LTJ Bukem or Drum and Bass could do a search >and discover Jump/Cut. Search for "instrumental pop" and you get Steve >Lawson. Search for "modern classical" and meet Paul Dresher and Todd >Reynolds. Search for "Aphex Twin" and I come up. perfect. Links to the musicians pages. I was writing a project with this information and felt the lack of a title, so thats why I started that discussion. Then I would have posted it. But now that we are already in the middle of it, here are more points to complete: - Documentation of the loop festivals and meetings of the past - Shows, festivals, clinics and workshops of the future, also "open registery" - List of favorable performance places with links, so the musicians can offer their work there. (this could actually happen on LD, just as well) - maybe an expansion to looping of non audio - maybe scientific works about the psychology, chemistry and mystery of repetion (brain research, religion, curing...) >To me, this is the best option, because it showcases the wide diversity >of possible stylistic and technical applications available. Lots of >artists can get exposure, and lots of different types of listeners will >be inclined to poke around, because the wider the range of musics on >display, the wider the pool of potential traffic (and potential >customers/listeners) you'll be generating. right >If, on the other hand, you want to narrow the music down to a specific >genre range, a specific focus of how the looper is used, and/or a >specific structure/form that it imposes on the music, then you're >basically creating the looping equivalent of the Joe Satriani/Steve >Vai/token opening act G3 instrumental rock tour. There'll be more >similarity amongst the artists involved, and you'll have an easier time >"marketing those artists" to a particular audience. But you'll be >promoting those particular artists at the expense of leaving out other >looping artists who don't fit that mold, and losing the ears of >listeners who don't dig that particular niche. thats it >Matthias, I mean all of this with a great deal of respect for you (and >for Kevin, certainly), and I'm not trying to be negative in any of this. > But I think the huge response posted today, and the almost unanimous >nature of that response, gives some indication as to what the general >feelings are amidst those of us already in the know about looping. ok, you brought me down to ground. I dont know enough about it really. >If you, or anyone else, choose to follow through on this sort of path, I was not going to "follow through". I just wanted to figure out some bases to then be able to find the form and persons to do it right. >it's crucial that all of the various sides have been heard, and that a >clear objective be determined with exactly what, or who, such a web site >is supposed to promote. oh... :-) I am experiencing what it means to say too much on a list. people create long projects before they understand what for and then ask that in the end. Missunderstandings creat huge waves. And I still dont know whether I play loop music or whether looping is an art form. I will stop here for a while here and then see how I go on. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 19:27:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24822; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:24:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:24:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: FCB1010 question Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:23:47 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000c01c274a1$e9b8bc30$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021015215222.25362.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA24749 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com] > > The 1010 is seriously limited to using only one midi > channel, period. For all the banks. Unless you can > configure one of your devices to remap midi commands, > it is almost certain that a command sent to one device > will do something unwanted to another device. But you can configure a certain pad to send on another midi channel. I'm using this trick to set up a couple of banks for controlling the Repeater on midi channel 8 (note numbers by "virtual" pad number 10) and some other banks to control the EDP on midi channel 2. One expression pedal is set to ch 2 (EDP) and the other to ch 8 (Repeater). Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 19:35:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25675; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:32:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:05:57 +0200 Subject: Re: Line6-problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA25643 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 11:13 PM, Carsten Wegener wrote: > To get more in details: I do a programming on one of the three > switches. I > thought the memory is the setting of the five right knobs(Delaytime, > repeats, tweak, tweez and mix) which then can be applied to the > different > delaymodels. But when i change the mode, the setting is changing(which > i can > see by the tempochange of the tap tempo LED).so i ask myself, if i > entered > another setting( maybe a preset that is different for every > delaymode?) or > if there is more than three programmable memories (that seems the least > possible to me). Is my point clearer now? Er, I'm not sure. I have not played around with the delay modeler side, or the programming that much (I need a second DL4 to do that)... my DL4 is used purely for the looping, which apart from the expression pedal, does not allow any programming. All that I know is that when you have found a delay sound that you like, you press down button 1,2 or 3 for about 2 seconds, and it will flash to say that your settings are saved. Button 4 (to the far right) is used purely for tap-tempo when in delay mode. You can save 3 delay modeler settings in the DL4's memory. > I am using the pedal( I think it´s the greatest feature of the DL4). I agree with you :) > I don´t > understand your stereo/mono-point. I use a mono-pedal, but is this the > reason,why there is such a small range(not even half the way from heel > to > toe) in that the change of sound happens? Ok, I wasn't clear in my last post (My brain is tired... as it is now :)... Make sure that you use a Line6 expression pedal. The jack connection on the cable that plugs into the DL4 is the same as a mono 1/4" jack, whereas most expression pedals (such as the Roland EV-5 etc) have what looks like a stereo 1/4" jack at the end. I've tried using my EV-5 in the DL4, and have had some strange results. If you are getting a small range, try reprogramming the pedal. Check in the manual (I cant find mine handy).... you have to set the maximum range, then move the foot pedal to maximum, then do the same for the minimum.... or was it the other way round?.... (like I said, double check in the manual) Good luck! > CW > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 19:46:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26613; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DACA703.F1CBC6F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:38:43 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Spreading the word... web sites, lessons, and clinics (was: The Loop Movements) References: <3DAC70EF.29DE75C7@zerocrossing.net> <3DAC7F0D.DC18D18A@earthlink.net> <3DAC8B50.4864CA6F@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Mark, Trying to clarify here... sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: > > For instance, he said that Rap > > music that used a real-time looper wouldn't fit in. > > Did he say this? I read his posts and got nothing like that from them, but I could > have missed them. >From Matthias' original post yesterday: "As you see below, I even tend to exclude some other "art forms" that may use looping tools, but use their own label, like Minimal Music and Rap for example. This is in general only, because those stiles can still be executed the loop way, and then maybe called Loop-Rap or so, but if any repetitive music is loop music, we probably dont get anywhere." and "It does not look like the Hip-hop will be part of the loop festivals, nor do I feel that they join the comunity much or call themselves loopers. So why would we force them? It may be a different comunity, even if they use the same machines as we do - sometimes." I'd like to leave it open to Matthias to comment further on this angle, if he's so inclined. I may have misinterpreted his comments above, and would be happy to be corrected, if so. > Dude, are you reading my posts? Very much so. > What I was saying was > that the word looper was from an old paradigm and maybe wasn't the right word to > descrive what we're doing. Strictly speaking, the notion of a dedicated "looper" is probably no more than 10 years old. Indeed, "looper" suggests a specific device designed to perform a function. Practically speaking, the general public very likely associates "loops" with digital samples much more readily than with tape loops, given the overwhelming prevalence of the former in popular music. Your comment from yesterday: "So if a loop is a phrase repeated, and you manipulate the playback so it no longer is a representation of the original phrase, is it a loop? Isn't a true loop is a repeating phrase? When we say "loop" what we're talking about really is "tape loop." And my response is that, no, when I personally say "loop" I'm not talking about a tape loop at all, which is part of the point I'm trying to make. I have a very different point of reference, and I absolutely think most other people do as well. > If you had read on, you would have seen that > in the end I believe that looper is the best term we have for ourselves (even you!) > even though it's an oversimplification. I did indeed read on, and this is what you said: "A physical object. But that physical object is now gone (usually), replaced by another physical object, a big ol' memory buffer. Iron oxide replace by silicon RAM chips. Since the RAM doesn't have the limitations of the loop of tape, people like Matthais created software that let's you do all sorts of minipulation of this buffer... to the point where it's just so far away from the "tape loop" that it no longer is described by that word. Or... you can use it in a way that's exactly like a tape loop. I do know one thing, you can't take a chunk out of a tape and edit it back in somewhere else in real time." So then: my interpretation of what you're saying, based upon my having read what you've said several times, is that you yourself keep making references to tape loops as the common point of reference to what "we're all doing." You keep comparing the idea of looping to what happens when you run a reel of oxide tape over a record head, and seem to be suggesting that this is what most other people will think of when they hear about "looping," which I don't believe is accurate. What I'm trying to say here is that I don't believe a reel-to-reel tape loop is what the general public will associate with the idea of "loops." I think they'll associate the term with digital samples more than anything else. Breakbeats, or DJ's, or that sort of thing. > Right, I've been a professional teacher. I know all about it. My father was one, > and my father... I was saying DEMO, not teaching. I never once said teaching. Just > a demo to show the possibilites, and a small clinic where people could try it out for > 5 min or so with the guidence of the person who gave the demo. To me they're all intertwined; if a person wants a hands-on demo and suddenly starts asking questions, isn't that a lesson? Isn't a clinic basically a lesson given to several people at the same time? What if you start opening a clinic up to questions? I honestly think the basic skills involved in doing a good clinic are not substantially different from those involved with teaching. I think they go hand in hand. > I'm obviously not being understood. Perhaps it's my writing style, > I don't know. I do know that I'm spending a lot of time doing it > and I'm not sure why anymore. Well, Mark, I'm trying my darndest to read your posts carefully and give them the consideration they deserve in my replies. It could be that I'm not understanding you. Or it could be that we simply have different opinions, and nothing either of us says is sufficiently compelling to change the other one's mind. That's not a bad thing, I don't think; it just means we've got different perspectives. Take a break if you like, but please don't take a difference of opinion personally. Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 19:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27443; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: cram@panix.com Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:46:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-reply-to: <200210151608.AA80937074@lanes.ca> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <3DAC7097.30661.2F4331@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Priority: normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I make music. Craig I won't go any further than that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Life goes on within you and without you. -- George Harrison Craig Ramseur cram@panix.com Listen at: www.soundclick.com\craigramseur ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 20:14:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31234; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:14:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:14:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DACAE52.762A6F3F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:09:55 -0700 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What is being promoted? (was: define what we do!) References: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> <3DAB6537.A0A4ABFF@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yo Matthias, Matthias Grob wrote: > of course it would be nice to promote the work of all of us, but how? My suggestion would be to look at the spectrum of looping in general. Find examples of how it's employed in as many different styles and genres as possible. This, to me, is the best way to promote "the art form of looping," because you have the widest possible description of the technology. > good! How would you "subdivide"? Principally by style/genre. > >So people who've never heard of Robert Fripp but really like Chet Atkins > >could be drawn in by his Grammy-award winning use of a JamMan in a song > >of the same name. Jazz fans who don't want to hear about Ritchie > >Hawtin's Repeater exploits could be intrigued by Bill Frisell or John > >Scofield's stuff. And so forth. > > right! Please do the "so forth", too, what more? Off the top of my head (and using highly visible names on purpose): Rock: Neal Schon, Vernon Reid, Trey Anastasio, Steve Howe, Brian Eno Funk: Doug Wimbush, Will Calhoun Pop: Peter Gabriel, Jon Brion Classical: Terry Riley, Paul Dresher Fusion: Victor Wooten, Frank Gambale, Michael Manring > my thinking was that concentrating on the main thing would make it > clearer and thus attract more public, or at least, animate them more. But what exactly is "the main thing," you know? For you, and admittedly for a lot of this list, "The main thing" is ambient experimental avant-garde fringe music. But my points are that there's a lot more to looping than just the ambient experiemental thing, and that by showcasing the diversity of styles the technique exists in, you'll expand the potential audience hugely. People who aren't into ambient or experimental stuff will suddenly have a reason to check out looping in general, because they can see how the techniques can be applied to "normal" music. > But now that we are already in the middle of it, here are > more points to complete: > > - List of favorable performance places with links, so the musicians > can offer their work there. (this could actually happen on LD, just > as well) But here again, you're talking about imposing a stylistic/aesthetic association onto an instrument. If a person talks about a "loop-friendly venue," they're probably talking about a place that's open to ambient/experimental music. That's making a genre/niche assumption about how the tool is used, which is obviously what I'm so vehemently opposed to seeing happen. If you're trying to address looping as a non-genre-specific tool and instrument, then there's no such thing as a "loop-friendly venue," any more so than there are "recommended venues for guitar players" or "cello-friendly venues." If you play modern classical music on an electric guitar, then you can get a gig in a concert hall. If you play rock music on a cello, then you book a gig in a rock club. So if you play jazz with a looper, are you going to book a gig in an ambient venue or a jazz venue? > ok, you brought me down to ground. Oh, I doubt ANYONE could do that! ;) (Said with all possible humor.) > I dont know enough about it really. I think you know as much about it as any single person in the world. But NOBODY knows about all of it, right? > I am experiencing what it means to say too much on a list. Well this is some of the best dialogue I've seen here in ages, so thank you for bringing it up. I hope it hasn't been too painful for you. ;) > people create long projects before they understand what for and then > ask that in the end. That's allowed, certainly? > And I still don't know whether I play loop music or whether looping is > an art form. Uh oh... :() > I will stop here for a while here and then see how I go on. Well please stick around and keep us informed! Very best wishes, Mr. Grob. --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 20:24:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01300; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:23:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:23:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 Sender: hans@hemlock.violacea.com Message-ID: <3DACB155.4E16C7AD@ernieball.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:22:45 -0700 From: Engineering Organization: Ernie Ball, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #702 References: <200210152314.TAA22920@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carsten- I'd try the LDT series with rivets to make attaching the leads easier. I don't know which size would be better - I'd try all three, since they don't cost much. Alternatively, the SDT looks like a nice, tidy package. Also, it is self-shielding and has a shielded cable already attached. It is somewhat more expensive, however, at $25. I'm no expert on this stuff, but you will need to buffer the piezo's output signal (as you must with any piezo element) to get a good frequency response. You can build you own, or else use a commercially available buffer from Fishman, Barcus-Berry, Highlander, LR Baggs, or whoever makes piezo systems in your neighborhood. I like the looks of the Fishman Powerjack, at $50: http://www.msiusa.com/PART8-INT.pdf An active DI like a Countryman should also work, if you have one lying around. -Hans > >>>> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may > >>>> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. > >>>> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price > >>>> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT > >>>> of pickups. They make great gifts. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> -Hans > >>> > >> What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or > > something > >> different? What about the sound and the sensetivity? > >> Thanks carsten > >> > > > I am still very interested in buying some of these sensors. But after having > visited several homepages i still which one (size, thickness etc.) is the > right one for my purposes(Pickup for acoustic instruments ranging from > doublebass to smaller stringinstruments similar to ukulele or mandoline).It > be because my english is not to good, that i really get lost on these > technical websites(I sometimes get lost even when reading the Loopers > Delight Messages especially the deeper philosophical stuff). Can someone > help me with this? > Thanks CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 20:26:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01929; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:25:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:25:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3DACAE52.762A6F3F@earthlink.net> References: <188.fcda852.2adc2714@aol.com> <3DAB6537.A0A4ABFF@earthlink.net> <3DACAE52.762A6F3F@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:26:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: What is being promoted? (was: define what we do!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Again, I'm new here...new to the list, and new to looping. Hell, I don't even have an EDP yet--but hopefully soon. But I'm not new to guitar. I've been playing about 20 years. I've been following the threads to a certain degree, and just wanted to toss out a question or two. > >> >So people who've never heard of Robert Fripp but really like Chet Atkins >> >could be drawn in by his Grammy-award winning use of a JamMan in a song >> >of the same name. Could someone recommend some essential Fripp recordings? I happen to be into Chet Atkins, too, but I don't know that particular song--gotta find it now though. > > > right! Please do the "so forth", too, what more? > >Off the top of my head (and using highly visible names on purpose): > >Rock: Neal Schon, Vernon Reid, Trey Anastasio, Steve Howe, Brian Eno >Funk: Doug Wimbush, Will Calhoun >Pop: Peter Gabriel, Jon Brion >Fusion: Victor Wooten, Frank Gambale, Michael Manring From this group of artists, many of whom I do like (Neal Schon and Gambale in particular among the guitarists listed), could someone please recommend some essential recordings where looping is employed? Also, I have no Eno. Where to begin? Aside: I'm a huge U2 fan and love Eno's influence on them. The Edge makes considerable use of sequencers (as well as other loops...I know they got into it a bit on the record 'Pop'?) in their live shows, and I'm wondering if someone could give me some tips on what I'd need to do (I assume I'll need a good keyboard with a sequencer, but can it also be synched up to an EDP, or some MIDI control device, etc. etc.?) to be able to replicate some of his stuff. In particular: The sequenced intro. to "Bad", "With Or Without You", "Where the Streets have No Name" or "The Unforgettable Fire" come to mind. Thanks again, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 23:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21133; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:24:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:24:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1bc.10fb337f.2ade35c3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:23:47 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1bc.10fb337f.2ade35c3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1bc.10fb337f.2ade35c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/15/02 2:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes: > A (selected) collection of loop music. It should be more artistic, > seductive. now there's a can-o-worms.....by the way, i forced rick walker to wine and dine me for 3 days, dats where he's been, oh yah!.....this is all good stuff on this thread, im gald im home and can focus a bit instead of partying my brains out.....it seems to me there were quite a few "looping" events this weekend, suano 3 shows, rick's east/west and han's event with whoolie, how did that go?.....did the sat loop event happen in NY (charma (sp)?).....there may have been other shows, sorry if i forgot to mention them.....can we put up a calender of events someplace.....sorry if this has been answered but what is the purpose of this new "gibsonesque" web site?.....i'm sure if any new blood went to this new "LOOP" site there would be a link to LD and they would come here and see how wacky we "loopers" truely are.....then what?.....yikes!.....keep them ideas flowin.....michael --part1_1bc.10fb337f.2ade35c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/15/02 2:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, matthias@grob.org writes:


A (selected) collection of loop music. It should be more artistic,
seductive.


now there's a can-o-worms.....by the way, i forced rick walker to wine and dine me for 3 days, dats where he's been, oh yah!.....this is all good stuff on this thread, im gald im home and can focus a bit instead of partying my brains out.....it seems to me there were quite a few "looping" events this weekend, suano 3 shows, rick's east/west and han's event with whoolie, how did that go?.....did the sat loop event happen in NY (charma (sp)?).....there may have been other shows, sorry if i forgot to mention them.....can we put up a calender of events someplace.....sorry if this has been answered but what is the purpose of this new "gibsonesque" web site?.....i'm sure if any new blood went to this new "LOOP" site there would be a link to LD and they would come here and see how wacky we "loopers" truely are.....then what?.....yikes!.....keep them ideas flowin.....michael
--part1_1bc.10fb337f.2ade35c3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 23:54:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22695; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:51:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:51:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:49:55 EDT Subject: Re: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a2.2da30b2c.2ade3be3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a2.2da30b2c.2ade3be3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/15/02 5:21:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes: > what will happen to our poor child when it is out in the "real world" > poor, little misunderstood looper child. > see him there? all alone in the rain... > poor little bugger... > > have no fear, "two Finns and a guy from Minneapolis" will save them!.....michael --part1_a2.2da30b2c.2ade3be3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/15/02 5:21:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimp@pobox.com writes:


what will happen to our poor child when it is out in the "real world"
poor, little misunderstood looper child.
see him there? all alone in the rain...
poor little bugger...



have no fear, "two Finns and a guy from Minneapolis" will save them!.....michael
--part1_a2.2da30b2c.2ade3be3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 15 23:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22739; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:51:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:51:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:51:40 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: MIDI looping In-reply-to: <8BB7FE88-E009-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> To: "'Mark Sottilaro'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c274c7$569cdd70$14a8a8c0@zena> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How do you do you're MIDI loops? I usually do them with a program called typo(), which I wrote using KeyKit. When I run typo(), the computer keyboard becomes my controller - each keypress (such as pressing the letter 'A') triggers a note or phrase. If I am holding down the SHIFT key when I press the letter 'A', the note that it plays will be added to the current loop. The loop plays continuously, and I can play along with it or add things to it. I can switch between 10 different loops by pressing '0' through '9'. I can process the MIDI data in a loop (for example, control-W followed by 'F' will apply a fractal algorithm to the current loop). Some documentation can be found here: http://nosuch.com/keykit/doc/lib/typo.html An MP3 file of a performance with typo() is here: http://nosuch.com/audio/wsh/2001/07_thompson.mp3 That performance was improvised live (only the drum patterns were pre-determined), using only typo() and me typing on a computer keyboard in my lap. Recently I've also been doing MIDI looping using playstation dance pads as a controller - see http://nosuch.com/tjt/wsh2002.html for a little description of that. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 00:28:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27908; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:27:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:27:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.6; T1.001; A1.48; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:27:09 UT From: "ernesto schnack" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Epoch: 1034742431 X-Sasl-enc: et6YbtcpP3vt2+lrrSvIfg Subject: Re: The LOOP Movements Message-Id: <20021016042710.07BCE2FD12@server3.fastmail.fm> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:31:40 -0300, "Matthias Grob" said: > I am very exited about what is going on, I cannot think of anything > else right now and put this down without even reading the latest > posts: Wow, I was surprised to see how passionate you are about this. Speaking for myself, I can't say I feel that strongly about looping or the music that results from it. It is just a tool I use for certain musical results which are part of a much bigger musical output. (Let's just say I'm always looking for new ways to make noise :) ) So I don't know if i would consider myself a part of this movement. I *do* however consider myself part of a "movement" of musicians who are open-minded and willing to try new things, and because of this can adapt to a myriad of situations (like looping, for instance). Maybe this is what you are a part of, but most of the people you've listened to or met happened to be involved heavily into looping? (I don't know, just wondering...) After all, movements happen naturally, and sometimes not everyone in the movement agrees on what the movement exactly is... Also, as long as the "definition" thread has become, I'm still not sure what exactly we're talking about. Right now, as i understand it, your idea of the website is to promote loop music (that is, innovative music relying heavily on looping devices, much of it played by participants of this list) to the general public (not only musicians). Right? Wrong? Just wanted some clarification... Ernesto -- ernesto schnack http://schnack.does.it -- http://fastmail.fm/ - The professional email service From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 00:29:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28192; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:29:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:29:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:28:16 EDT Subject: recommended recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.f233fac.2ade44e0_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_192.f233fac.2ade44e0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/15/02 8:26:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > could someone > please recommend some essential recordings where looping is employed? jeff.....yesterday i heard a knockout cd, bill fressels (sp) "ghost town", it was the first time i had heard it, americana, banjo, gershwin, john mclaughlin, it had it all.....jazzy, folky, spacey, ambient and very loopy another cd ive been playin alot is john scofields "a go-go".....perhaps these are not "essential" but they may interest you.....michael --part1_192.f233fac.2ade44e0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/15/02 8:26:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:


could someone
please recommend some essential recordings where looping is employed?


jeff.....yesterday i heard a knockout cd, bill fressels (sp) "ghost town", it was the first time i had heard it, americana, banjo, gershwin, john mclaughlin, it had it all.....jazzy, folky, spacey, ambient and very loopy another cd ive been playin alot is john scofields "a go-go".....perhaps these are not "essential" but they may interest you.....michael
--part1_192.f233fac.2ade44e0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 01:33:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04980; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:30:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:30:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Musical Device- Does It Exst or Need to be Invented- Sculptable Sphere of Sound Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:29:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c274c7$569cdd70$14a8a8c0@zena> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8m5FFC.A.cMB.KlPr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone seen or heard of those "futuristic music-making devices" of which I remember, long ago, hearing a reference- or simply heard a prediction of them, with the following basic form and structure- and if hasn't been invented - Mark- you can work on it with me- LOL- but don't steal the idea! LOL Here is my idea of what the instrument would be... since I only have a vague memory of wherever I saw it before- I seem to remember a PBS special- possibly NOVA- not the "It's About Time" special, with Dudley Moore- but something more truly about music making instruments and possibly those of the future... The object in my mind sphere or ball-shaped, with a rubber or latex or flexible surface, and would be moldable like clay. Underneath the external covering the are hundreds or thousands of sensors. The sensor extends from the middle of the device which inherently has a bagpipe-like structure. But with a high-tech electronic processor core kind of like the new Apples but without that flat screen popping out from a rod in the top... I'd assume at this point it would be powered from within the core of the ball and also wireless so that there would be no need to leave any part of the surface untouchable... Each sensor under the surface of the "skin" corresponds with a different sound. I suppose there are axes defined which assist in defining the nature of the sound produced at any given point when it is touched. The device I remember would have been played by the hands by doing whatever hands can do- it could be massaged, or struck. Or tapped. Etc. Note that in my own mental version of this device as I think about it, this device would feel like those old Stretch Armstrong balls in the hands, as the hands work with the ball. OOH- and that leads to an interesting thought: what if there was a layer of viscous substance in between the sensor layer and the skin surface? This would make the hand movement flow more easily and could lead to an interesting effect as the viscous liquid was heating up. Anyway- just a random thought there... I visited http://www.filmsound.org/articles/ninecomponents/9components.htm and found a definition of nine components of sound. I started thinking of how these would be defined in this device and I make the following guesses (I feel like I have so much to do but I'm also chasing waterfalls on the inspirational sort tonight): "Music components": * Pitch - defined by position of the sensors touched by the playing tool (assuming fingers and palms of hands, or other parts of hands- but possibly anything, for this device) along the various axes defining the specific pitch at the location where the tip of each underlying sensor comes into contact with the skin? Also here's a question- how would one define pitch in a non-bi-directional, but truly multidirectional instrument? * Timbre - would this be the overall nature of the specific sounds produced by the machine at any specific moment in time? * Harmonics - this would be dependent, I think, upon the quality of the device as manufactured, the talent and skill of the player, and the number of sensors available - the coordination in the audio processor of all the sounds produced by all the sensors coming into contact with the hands or parts of hands as the instrument player plays the "ball"? The management of the sound so that the hypothetical wave crests and troughs associated with the sounds where the device is being touched by multiple fingers simultaneously? * Loudness - this would be partly managed by overall combination of sensors hit AND the depth at which they are hit AND the pitches (or timbre?) of the sensory points being stuck or massaged to produce sound? * Rhythm- I envision this device as primarily melodic, but any person with the musical sense of someone like Bobby McFerrin - who I think can makes two sounds at once in this throat(?)- could probably make this percussive or both percussive and melodic... "Sound envelope components": I'm thinking that in designing these parts of the device the model would come from percussive instruments? * Attack - defined by speed of the hand in making contact (does this sound right?) From merely slapping the "skin" in an area to "pushing gently" into it? * Sustain - defined - hm - by the timing or duration of the placement or contact of the instrument-playing tool- finger or (part of) hand- stays and then slides off or away from a specific sensory point on the ball surface? * Decay - defined by the - hm - perhaps by the amount of time the "skin" sensory area, just touched, takes to return to it's original position after the finger (or part of hand) moves away? But with regard to "reverb" - could this BE defined on the surface? * ** I assume that there would be greater power in this instrument is it was a partner effort: you have the player playing the ball, then you have someone managing the audio output... "Record and playback component": * Speed - the pace of the movement of hand, hands, fingers, etc. along the surface of the ball? OK... So I'm no master of any instrument, but I felt the desire to pass this on.... Particularly because I kept hearing ads today for the "Invention Submission Corporation" and I thought- if this has not been invented- we should invent it!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:52 PM To: 'Mark Sottilaro'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI looping > How do you do you're MIDI loops? I usually do them with a program called typo(), which I wrote using KeyKit. When I run typo(), the computer keyboard becomes my controller - each keypress (such as pressing the letter 'A') triggers a note or phrase. If I am holding down the SHIFT key when I press the letter 'A', the note that it plays will be added to the current loop. The loop plays continuously, and I can play along with it or add things to it. I can switch between 10 different loops by pressing '0' through '9'. I can process the MIDI data in a loop (for example, control-W followed by 'F' will apply a fractal algorithm to the current loop). Some documentation can be found here: http://nosuch.com/keykit/doc/lib/typo.html An MP3 file of a performance with typo() is here: http://nosuch.com/audio/wsh/2001/07_thompson.mp3 That performance was improvised live (only the drum patterns were pre-determined), using only typo() and me typing on a computer keyboard in my lap. Recently I've also been doing MIDI looping using playstation dance pads as a controller - see http://nosuch.com/tjt/wsh2002.html for a little description of that. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 02:28:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09133; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:28:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:28:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021016003010.008c1760@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:30:10 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: back to sequencer stuff with Goddess In-Reply-To: <3DAC7FDE.C2E7246A@zerocrossing.net> References: <000601c2740e$306e62e0$19a8a8c0@thompsonresidence.com> <3.0.5.32.20021015135210.008c8100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <_JGZlD.A.VOC.wbQr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The 505 has an undo function, with a button labled in large friendly letters. lol! Smiles, CQ At 01:51 PM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Right, I've had luck using this technique, but would wish for an "undo" while >still in record/play mode. > >Goddess wrote: > >> Mark, since I too, just mentioned this in my last post, personally, I use >> the MC-505 which can go in and out of record on the fly while a pattern is >> playing, so I simply turn off the metronome completely, and play with the >> music. I also use this feature to pitch loops in the Repeater. >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 11:44 PM 10/14/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >Interesting point... but I'm not sure if it's all that valid to the >> >audience, though certainly for the musician. My guitar signal quickly >> >becomes a stream of data that describes (more or less) the sound I >> >played. You're data does the same thing, but more symbolic nature. To >> >the end user (audience) it's the same, I think... However, I am very >> >interested in using MIDI loops, though I've not done it in a live >> >manner. This evening I experimented with my MC-307 sequencer with the >> >click turned down... but it was hard to get time info from the blinking >> >light. I reverted to recording a simple bass drum with a click >> >first, then went back in and recorded new parts. How do you do you're >> >MIDI loops? >> > >> >Mark Sottilaro >> > >> >On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:46 PM, Tim Thompson wrote: >> > >> >>> How about this? >> >>> >> >>> "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio >> >>> samples, >> >>> or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous >> >>> directions, ... >> >>> >> >>> This is from Kim's intro on the front page of Looper's Delight, and >> >>> it's >> >>> about as inclusive and applicable of a description as I can imagine. >> >> >> >> I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive >> >> enough. >> >> I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, >> >> but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. >> >> >> >> ...Tim... >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 02:46:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09948; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021016004621.009b9100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:46:21 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! In-Reply-To: <3DAC8056.AFE69891@zerocrossing.net> References: <3DAB0A1300001127@mta08.san.yahoo.com> <3.0.5.32.20021015141107.008c2a00@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark, you're right, the 307 won't do this to my knowledge. Nor will the 303, or the new 909 for that matter. The MC-505 is the only member of the Groove Box series which will. You can initiate record in a prerecorded or blank pattern, and begin it playing, and then record while it's playing, and then simply press record again to toggle out of record mode and play along with the pattern which continues to play uninterupted. Then, when you want to add more music to the pattern, simply press record again, and whatever you then play will now be recorded along with the pattern, which, as before, continues to play uninterupted despite the presses of record. To stop the pattern, you'd just press stop. Does this make sense?... Smiles, CQ At 01:53 PM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Shit! I bought the wrong thing again! the 307 does not... in real time >record I should say. It will in step record. Is this what you're talking >about? That would be OK, but I like the way I've been using a cheap roland >drum pad to input notes into the 307 > >Goddess wrote: > >> The 505 allows for this. You can add or subtract from a looping pattern >> while it plays. -or play along with it without recording. >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 08:53 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be >> >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo >> >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. >> > >> >Mark >> > >> >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it >> >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a >> >> looper >> >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >> >> >> peace >> >> -cpr >> >> >> >>> -- Original Message -- >> >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >> >>> From: Mark Sottilaro >> >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >> >>> do! >> >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hey Per, >> >>> >> >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >> >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >> >> >>> Can you change that in your preferences? >> >>> >> >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >> >>> >> >>> ? >> >>> >> >>> Mark Sottilaro >> >>> >> >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >> >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >> >>>> didn't >> >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >> >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >> >>>> "freeze" >> >>> >> >>>> a >> >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >> >>>> looper" >> >>>> ;-) >> >>>> >> >>>> All the best >> >>>> >> >>>> Per Boysen >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 02:56:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10729; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: back to sequencer stuff with Goddess Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:54:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021016003010.008c1760@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I BELIEVE- WE SHOULD LIVE TO LET THE EDITING BE PART OF THE ART. AND eventually it becomes that. To see someone progress from mediocre into something far grander- it's lost on those who don't hear the bad takes with the good. And the bad takes humanize us. -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: back to sequencer stuff with Goddess The 505 has an undo function, with a button labled in large friendly letters. lol! Smiles, CQ At 01:51 PM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Right, I've had luck using this technique, but would wish for an "undo" while >still in record/play mode. > >Goddess wrote: > >> Mark, since I too, just mentioned this in my last post, personally, I use >> the MC-505 which can go in and out of record on the fly while a pattern is >> playing, so I simply turn off the metronome completely, and play with the >> music. I also use this feature to pitch loops in the Repeater. >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 11:44 PM 10/14/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >Interesting point... but I'm not sure if it's all that valid to the >> >audience, though certainly for the musician. My guitar signal quickly >> >becomes a stream of data that describes (more or less) the sound I >> >played. You're data does the same thing, but more symbolic nature. To >> >the end user (audience) it's the same, I think... However, I am very >> >interested in using MIDI loops, though I've not done it in a live >> >manner. This evening I experimented with my MC-307 sequencer with the >> >click turned down... but it was hard to get time info from the blinking >> >light. I reverted to recording a simple bass drum with a click >> >first, then went back in and recorded new parts. How do you do you're >> >MIDI loops? >> > >> >Mark Sottilaro >> > >> >On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 10:46 PM, Tim Thompson wrote: >> > >> >>> How about this? >> >>> >> >>> "Loop based music essentially involves the repetition of audio >> >>> samples, >> >>> or loops. From that basic premise looping moves off in numerous >> >>> directions, ... >> >>> >> >>> This is from Kim's intro on the front page of Looper's Delight, and >> >>> it's >> >>> about as inclusive and applicable of a description as I can imagine. >> >> >> >> I think the phrase "audio samples" in the definition isn't inclusive >> >> enough. >> >> I loop using MIDI data only. It triggers a synth to generate audio, >> >> but the thing being repeated (and manipulated) is MIDI data only. >> >> >> >> ...Tim... >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 02:58:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11081; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:58:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:58:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:57:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021016004621.009b9100@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In some ways that could be positively evil!!! For example: let's record all the bad vocals. Let's stop when the guitarist sounds good. When we play it back for the guitarist (or whoever) we tell him- actually, we didn't stop the recording. Don't you remember? You sounded THAT bad! LOL. And then the guitarist has to decide exactly where to break his guitar. LOL -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Mark, you're right, the 307 won't do this to my knowledge. Nor will the 303, or the new 909 for that matter. The MC-505 is the only member of the Groove Box series which will. You can initiate record in a prerecorded or blank pattern, and begin it playing, and then record while it's playing, and then simply press record again to toggle out of record mode and play along with the pattern which continues to play uninterupted. Then, when you want to add more music to the pattern, simply press record again, and whatever you then play will now be recorded along with the pattern, which, as before, continues to play uninterupted despite the presses of record. To stop the pattern, you'd just press stop. Does this make sense?... Smiles, CQ At 01:53 PM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Shit! I bought the wrong thing again! the 307 does not... in real time >record I should say. It will in step record. Is this what you're talking >about? That would be OK, but I like the way I've been using a cheap roland >drum pad to input notes into the 307 > >Goddess wrote: > >> The 505 allows for this. You can add or subtract from a looping pattern >> while it plays. -or play along with it without recording. >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 08:53 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be >> >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo >> >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. >> > >> >Mark >> > >> >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it >> >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a >> >> looper >> >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >> >> >> peace >> >> -cpr >> >> >> >>> -- Original Message -- >> >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >> >>> From: Mark Sottilaro >> >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >> >>> do! >> >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hey Per, >> >>> >> >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >> >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >> >> >>> Can you change that in your preferences? >> >>> >> >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >> >>> >> >>> ? >> >>> >> >>> Mark Sottilaro >> >>> >> >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >> >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >> >>>> didn't >> >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >> >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >> >>>> "freeze" >> >>> >> >>>> a >> >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >> >>>> looper" >> >>>> ;-) >> >>>> >> >>>> All the best >> >>>> >> >>>> Per Boysen >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 02:59:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11231; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:58:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:58:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 23:57:46 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021016004621.009b9100@pop.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh and I guess the technique is similar to e-mail that never shows up as being sent. -----Original Message----- From: Goddess [mailto:thefates@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 11:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we do! Mark, you're right, the 307 won't do this to my knowledge. Nor will the 303, or the new 909 for that matter. The MC-505 is the only member of the Groove Box series which will. You can initiate record in a prerecorded or blank pattern, and begin it playing, and then record while it's playing, and then simply press record again to toggle out of record mode and play along with the pattern which continues to play uninterupted. Then, when you want to add more music to the pattern, simply press record again, and whatever you then play will now be recorded along with the pattern, which, as before, continues to play uninterupted despite the presses of record. To stop the pattern, you'd just press stop. Does this make sense?... Smiles, CQ At 01:53 PM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >Shit! I bought the wrong thing again! the 307 does not... in real time >record I should say. It will in step record. Is this what you're talking >about? That would be OK, but I like the way I've been using a cheap roland >drum pad to input notes into the 307 > >Goddess wrote: > >> The 505 allows for this. You can add or subtract from a looping pattern >> while it plays. -or play along with it without recording. >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 08:53 AM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >> >Oh, I see. That's useful, but not what I'm looking for. I want to be >> >able to add and subtract to a loop once it's going. Being able to undo >> >a phrase while the sequencer is still running is what I'd like to do. >> > >> >Mark >> > >> >On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Chris Roberts wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> >> >> I think Per means that if you can latch the midi arpegiator so that it >> >> continues to play the arpegiation after you release the keys, it is a >> >> looper >> >> of sorts... or not, I guess I should let him respond... :) >> >> >> >> peace >> >> -cpr >> >> >> >>> -- Original Message -- >> >>> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:35:10 -0700 >> >>> From: Mark Sottilaro >> >>> Subject: Re: SV: Please lets all sit together now and define what we >> >>> do! >> >>> To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hey Per, >> >>> >> >>> Can you do me a favor? I like what you write, and often reply, but >> >>> you're "reply to" is set to your email address instead of the list's. >> >> >> >>> Can you change that in your preferences? >> >>> >> >>> I'm also confused about how a frozen midi appegiator is a midi looper. >> >>> >> >>> ? >> >>> >> >>> Mark Sottilaro >> >>> >> >>> On Monday, October 14, 2002, at 11:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>>> I cannot answer for Tim but over here I have messed with a midi >> >>>> arpeggiator named Oberheim Cyclone, some 8 years ago. Although I >> >>>> didn't >> >>>> continue using the Cyclone the thing worked very well. Today I have a >> >>>> Roland MC-303 that can support similar midi loops. If you can >> >>>> "freeze" >> >>> >> >>>> a >> >>>> midi arpeggiator from a foot controller it is actually a "midi >> >>>> looper" >> >>>> ;-) >> >>>> >> >>>> All the best >> >>>> >> >>>> Per Boysen >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 03:19:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13666; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:19:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:19:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Roland MC-505 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:17:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c274e4$33da3860$c1d6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there-- Sounds like the 505 is what I need--lemme ask a question... Let's say you record a pattern--are the bar lines predetermined? What I mean--if the metronome is off--can you play for two bars at any tempo, then press record again to toggle out of record mode, and it will play your two bars looped even tho they are not two complete measures in the tempo selected before you begin? I am assuming that we don't know what tempo we are going to play at before we begin . . . Also, will this then send proper MIDI clock? In other words, those two bars--will they send clock at the predetermined tempo, or the one implied by the pattern recorded? Thanks for any info--and be sure to let me know if I didn't ask the question in an intelligible manner . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 03:25:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13926; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:21:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:21:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021016012353.00b23100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:23:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: MIDI looping In-Reply-To: <000401c274c7$569cdd70$14a8a8c0@zena> References: <8BB7FE88-E009-11D6-AA50-00039313A494@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, -not sure if you were asking me, but I use an MC-505 as I've mentioned, which I also use as a very extensive midi controller for the Repeater. Most of the midi looping I do live is involved with recording notes in a pattern which then get ssent to the Repeater to pitch loops. Is your program for sale? The fractal algorithm sounds very interesting. Smiles, CQ At 08:51 PM 10/15/02 -0700, you wrote: >> How do you do you're MIDI loops? > >I usually do them with a program called typo(), >which I wrote using KeyKit. When I run typo(), >the computer keyboard becomes my controller - >each keypress (such as pressing the letter 'A') >triggers a note or phrase. > >If I am holding down the SHIFT key when I press >the letter 'A', the note that it plays >will be added to the current loop. >The loop plays continuously, and I can >play along with it or add things to it. >I can switch between 10 different loops >by pressing '0' through '9'. >I can process the MIDI data in a loop >(for example, control-W followed by 'F' >will apply a fractal algorithm to the current loop). > >Some documentation can be found here: > > http://nosuch.com/keykit/doc/lib/typo.html > >An MP3 file of a performance with typo() is here: > > http://nosuch.com/audio/wsh/2001/07_thompson.mp3 > >That performance was improvised live (only the drum patterns >were pre-determined), using only typo() and me typing >on a computer keyboard in my lap. > >Recently I've also been doing MIDI looping using >playstation dance pads as a controller - >see http://nosuch.com/tjt/wsh2002.html >for a little description of that. > > ...Tim... > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 03:42:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14854; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:39:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:39:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021015211452.046f91b0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:40:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: gig calendar In-Reply-To: <1bc.10fb337f.2ade35c3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1EKdRC.A.6nD.leRr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Michael, yes, Looper's Delight has an interactive gig calendar. It has been on the site for many years. http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html The absurd thing is that nobody uses it. I just checked and there were no gigs listed at all. Even though there is never anything listed there, it still gets 500 to 600 visitors per month. That means posting a gig on the LD website calendar is slightly better publicity-wise than posting it to the list! And presumably a lot more people would check it if there were ever any shows listed there. We have it, use it! kim At 08:23 PM 10/15/2002, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/15/02 2:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >matthias@grob.org writes: > > >>A (selected) collection of loop music. It should be more artistic, >>seductive. > > >now there's a can-o-worms.....by the way, i forced rick walker to wine and >dine me for 3 days, dats where he's been, oh yah!.....this is all good >stuff on this thread, im gald im home and can focus a bit instead of >partying my brains out.....it seems to me there were quite a few "looping" >events this weekend, suano 3 shows, rick's east/west and han's event with >whoolie, how did that go?.....did the sat loop event happen in NY (charma >(sp)?).....there may have been other shows, sorry if i forgot to mention >them.....can we put up a calender of events someplace.....sorry if this >has been answered but what is the purpose of this new "gibsonesque" web >site?.....i'm sure if any new blood went to this new "LOOP" site there >would be a link to LD and they would come here and see how wacky we >"loopers" truely are.....then what?.....yikes!.....keep them ideas >flowin.....michael ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 04:19:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17775; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:16:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:16:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> Subject: Re: recommended recordings Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:17:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Frisell perhaps not essential?????? What blasphemy is this????? :o) Ghost Town is a truly remarkable album, was a defining moment for me, listening wise... every note Frisell plays is essential, but GhostTown is a marvellous loop intro to the great man. also worth checking out are all the trio records, the recent one with Elvin Jones and Dave Holland, the Buster Keaton soundtracks, and the live mid 90s one... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > could someone > > please recommend some essential recordings where looping is employed? > > jeff.....yesterday i heard a knockout cd, bill fressels (sp) "ghost town", it > was the first time i had heard it, americana, banjo, gershwin, john > mclaughlin, it had it all.....jazzy, folky, spacey, ambient and very loopy > another cd ive been playin alot is john scofields "a go-go".....perhaps these > are not "essential" but they may interest you.....michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 04:21:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA17968; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:18:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:18:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Spreading the word... web sites, lessons, and clinics (was: The Loop Movements) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:17:45 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002101c274ec$81f583d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021016042710.07BCE2FD12@server3.fastmail.fm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA17920 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Thanks for all inspiring postings! :-) I have been reading them with the greatest interest as I have lately been struggling with exactly the same matters here in Sweden. I'll be doing a three days gig at a festival and they gave me a room (called "Loop Room") with a PA system and asked me for a description of what I was going to do in there twice a day... Dammit, I couldn't come up with any appropriate text! Finally I decided to focus on the technique of using loopers for as I thought that a musical/philosophical description would be too hard to comprehend for the general public, which is the audience this festival addresses. So, speaking about the content pitching of this upcoming, Gibson sponsored, website, I tend to agree with Andre LaFosse (see quote below). Regarding "Movement" I look at looping devices as "tools", not to be mixed up with the "expression" created by someone using these tools. However many artists with similar "expression" could IMO go for "a movement". Personally I want to make improvised music on the fly. Loopers are great for that as I can improvise counter melodies, chords and stuff alike even when using monophonic instruments. But if I should feel part of a "movement" it would have to be about the concept of staying free from composition and post-editing. More that than my "musical style" or "use of looping devices" - but that's just my personal point of view ;-) Ciao Per Boysen > Från: ernesto schnack [mailto:schnack@mailbolt.com] > loop music (that is, innovative music relying heavily on > looping devices, much of it played by participants of this > list) to the general public (not only musicians). Right? Wrong? > Från: Andre LaFosse [mailto:altruist@earthlink.net] > Rock: Neal Schon, Vernon Reid, Trey Anastasio, Steve Howe, Brian Eno > Funk: Doug Wimbush, Will Calhoun > Pop: Peter Gabriel, Jon Brion > Classical: Terry Riley, Paul Dresher > Fusion: Victor Wooten, Frank Gambale, Michael Manring > People who aren't into ambient or experimental stuff will > suddenly have a reason to check out looping in general, > because they can see how the techniques can be applied to > "normal" music. > Matthias Grob wrote: > > And I still don't know whether I play loop music or whether > looping is > > an art form. > > I make music. > > Craig > > I won't go any further than that. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 04:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19423; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:40:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:40:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Musical Device- Does It Exst or Need to be Invented- Sculptable Sphere of Sound Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:39:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds more like simply using a telephone. LOL -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Musical Device- Does It Exst or Need to be Invented- Sculptable Sphere of Sound Has anyone seen or heard of those "futuristic music-making devices" of which I remember, long ago, hearing a reference- or simply heard a prediction of them, with the following basic form and structure- and if hasn't been invented - Mark- you can work on it with me- LOL- but don't steal the idea! LOL Here is my idea of what the instrument would be... since I only have a vague memory of wherever I saw it before- I seem to remember a PBS special- possibly NOVA- not the "It's About Time" special, with Dudley Moore- but something more truly about music making instruments and possibly those of the future... The object in my mind sphere or ball-shaped, with a rubber or latex or flexible surface, and would be moldable like clay. Underneath the external covering the are hundreds or thousands of sensors. The sensor extends from the middle of the device which inherently has a bagpipe-like structure. But with a high-tech electronic processor core kind of like the new Apples but without that flat screen popping out from a rod in the top... I'd assume at this point it would be powered from within the core of the ball and also wireless so that there would be no need to leave any part of the surface untouchable... Each sensor under the surface of the "skin" corresponds with a different sound. I suppose there are axes defined which assist in defining the nature of the sound produced at any given point when it is touched. The device I remember would have been played by the hands by doing whatever hands can do- it could be massaged, or struck. Or tapped. Etc. Note that in my own mental version of this device as I think about it, this device would feel like those old Stretch Armstrong balls in the hands, as the hands work with the ball. OOH- and that leads to an interesting thought: what if there was a layer of viscous substance in between the sensor layer and the skin surface? This would make the hand movement flow more easily and could lead to an interesting effect as the viscous liquid was heating up. Anyway- just a random thought there... I visited http://www.filmsound.org/articles/ninecomponents/9components.htm and found a definition of nine components of sound. I started thinking of how these would be defined in this device and I make the following guesses (I feel like I have so much to do but I'm also chasing waterfalls on the inspirational sort tonight): "Music components": * Pitch - defined by position of the sensors touched by the playing tool (assuming fingers and palms of hands, or other parts of hands- but possibly anything, for this device) along the various axes defining the specific pitch at the location where the tip of each underlying sensor comes into contact with the skin? Also here's a question- how would one define pitch in a non-bi-directional, but truly multidirectional instrument? * Timbre - would this be the overall nature of the specific sounds produced by the machine at any specific moment in time? * Harmonics - this would be dependent, I think, upon the quality of the device as manufactured, the talent and skill of the player, and the number of sensors available - the coordination in the audio processor of all the sounds produced by all the sensors coming into contact with the hands or parts of hands as the instrument player plays the "ball"? The management of the sound so that the hypothetical wave crests and troughs associated with the sounds where the device is being touched by multiple fingers simultaneously? * Loudness - this would be partly managed by overall combination of sensors hit AND the depth at which they are hit AND the pitches (or timbre?) of the sensory points being stuck or massaged to produce sound? * Rhythm- I envision this device as primarily melodic, but any person with the musical sense of someone like Bobby McFerrin - who I think can makes two sounds at once in this throat(?)- could probably make this percussive or both percussive and melodic... "Sound envelope components": I'm thinking that in designing these parts of the device the model would come from percussive instruments? * Attack - defined by speed of the hand in making contact (does this sound right?) From merely slapping the "skin" in an area to "pushing gently" into it? * Sustain - defined - hm - by the timing or duration of the placement or contact of the instrument-playing tool- finger or (part of) hand- stays and then slides off or away from a specific sensory point on the ball surface? * Decay - defined by the - hm - perhaps by the amount of time the "skin" sensory area, just touched, takes to return to it's original position after the finger (or part of hand) moves away? But with regard to "reverb" - could this BE defined on the surface? * ** I assume that there would be greater power in this instrument is it was a partner effort: you have the player playing the ball, then you have someone managing the audio output... "Record and playback component": * Speed - the pace of the movement of hand, hands, fingers, etc. along the surface of the ball? OK... So I'm no master of any instrument, but I felt the desire to pass this on.... Particularly because I kept hearing ads today for the "Invention Submission Corporation" and I thought- if this has not been invented- we should invent it!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:52 PM To: 'Mark Sottilaro'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI looping > How do you do you're MIDI loops? I usually do them with a program called typo(), which I wrote using KeyKit. When I run typo(), the computer keyboard becomes my controller - each keypress (such as pressing the letter 'A') triggers a note or phrase. If I am holding down the SHIFT key when I press the letter 'A', the note that it plays will be added to the current loop. The loop plays continuously, and I can play along with it or add things to it. I can switch between 10 different loops by pressing '0' through '9'. I can process the MIDI data in a loop (for example, control-W followed by 'F' will apply a fractal algorithm to the current loop). Some documentation can be found here: http://nosuch.com/keykit/doc/lib/typo.html An MP3 file of a performance with typo() is here: http://nosuch.com/audio/wsh/2001/07_thompson.mp3 That performance was improvised live (only the drum patterns were pre-determined), using only typo() and me typing on a computer keyboard in my lap. Recently I've also been doing MIDI looping using playstation dance pads as a controller - see http://nosuch.com/tjt/wsh2002.html for a little description of that. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 04:47:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20014; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:43:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:43:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: telephone comment- reply to 0-9 comment and dial/loop comment Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:42:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sensitivity: Private Resent-Message-ID: <-UZELB.A.U2E.ZaSr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry for any confusion From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 04:47:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20017; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:43:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 04:43:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: , Subject: RE: gig calendar Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:42:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021015211452.046f91b0@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "MIKO" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim- what is Violacea.com? And why are the sub-domains names after poisons one uses to murder? Also note the traceroute below. It was never my understanding that you were located in DC. I'll go double check though... I sent the following e-mail to Loopers and the header I show first (before the content) came with it when it finally appeared in my Inbox: Header: Return-Path: Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by rwcrgwc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20021016054111.MXJM9789.rwcrgwc52.attbi.com@hemlock.violacea.com>; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:41:11 +0000 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04896; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:29:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:29:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: Musical Device- Does It Exst or Need to be Invented- Sculptable Sphere of Sound Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:29:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c274c7$569cdd70$14a8a8c0@zena> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <8m5FFC.A.cMB.KlPr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh and the traceroute shows that Washington DC is the last stop before the mail got to my InBox: Alias: hemlock.superb.net TraceRoute to 207.228.238.9 [violacea.com] Hop (ms) (ms) (ms) IP Address Host name 1 0 0 16 66.46.176.3 - 2 0 0 0 216.191.97.45 pos5-2.core2-mtl.bb.attcanada.ca 3 0 0 0 216.191.65.217 srp2-0.core1-mtl.bb.attcanada.ca 4 16 16 15 216.191.65.173 pos8-1.core2-tor.bb.attcanada.ca 5 16 0 15 216.191.65.243 srp2-0.gwy1-tor.bb.attcanada.ca 6 16 15 32 12.125.142.5 - 7 16 15 16 12.123.5.218 gbr5-p80.cgcil.ip.att.net 8 15 16 16 12.122.11.41 tbr1-p013501.cgcil.ip.att.net 9 47 31 32 12.122.10.1 tbr1-p012301.n54ny.ip.att.net 10 47 47 47 12.122.10.18 tbr1-p013701.wswdc.ip.att.net 11 47 47 31 12.122.11.162 gbr1-p10.wswdc.ip.att.net 12 47 47 31 12.123.194.5 ar1-p3110.wshdc.ip.att.net 13 78 47 31 12.126.64.194 s2-0.core1.dca1.hopone.net 14 47 32 31 207.228.224.7 rsm1.dist2.dca1.hopone.net 15 32 31 31 207.228.238.9 hemlock.superb.net Trace complete Content: Has anyone seen or heard of those "futuristic music-making devices" of which I remember, long ago, hearing a reference- or simply heard a prediction of them, with the following basic form and structure- and if hasn't been invented - Mark- you can work on it with me- LOL- but don't steal the idea! LOL Here is my idea of what the instrument would be... since I only have a vague memory of wherever I saw it before- I seem to remember a PBS special- possibly NOVA- not the "It's About Time" special, with Dudley Moore- but something more truly about music making instruments and possibly those of the future... The object in my mind sphere or ball-shaped, with a rubber or latex or flexible surface, and would be moldable like clay. Underneath the external covering the are hundreds or thousands of sensors. The sensor extends from the middle of the device which inherently has a bagpipe-like structure. But with a high-tech electronic processor core kind of like the new Apples but without that flat screen popping out from a rod in the top... I'd assume at this point it would be powered from within the core of the ball and also wireless so that there would be no need to leave any part of the surface untouchable... Each sensor under the surface of the "skin" corresponds with a different sound. I suppose there are axes defined which assist in defining the nature of the sound produced at any given point when it is touched. The device I remember would have been played by the hands by doing whatever hands can do- it could be massaged, or struck. Or tapped. Etc. Note that in my own mental version of this device as I think about it, this device would feel like those old Stretch Armstrong balls in the hands, as the hands work with the ball. OOH- and that leads to an interesting thought: what if there was a layer of viscous substance in between the sensor layer and the skin surface? This would make the hand movement flow more easily and could lead to an interesting effect as the viscous liquid was heating up. Anyway- just a random thought there... I visited http://www.filmsound.org/articles/ninecomponents/9components.htm and found a definition of nine components of sound. I started thinking of how these would be defined in this device and I make the following guesses (I feel like I have so much to do but I'm also chasing waterfalls on the inspirational sort tonight): "Music components": * Pitch - defined by position of the sensors touched by the playing tool (assuming fingers and palms of hands, or other parts of hands- but possibly anything, for this device) along the various axes defining the specific pitch at the location where the tip of each underlying sensor comes into contact with the skin? Also here's a question- how would one define pitch in a non-bi-directional, but truly multidirectional instrument? * Timbre - would this be the overall nature of the specific sounds produced by the machine at any specific moment in time? * Harmonics - this would be dependent, I think, upon the quality of the device as manufactured, the talent and skill of the player, and the number of sensors available - the coordination in the audio processor of all the sounds produced by all the sensors coming into contact with the hands or parts of hands as the instrument player plays the "ball"? The management of the sound so that the hypothetical wave crests and troughs associated with the sounds where the device is being touched by multiple fingers simultaneously? * Loudness - this would be partly managed by overall combination of sensors hit AND the depth at which they are hit AND the pitches (or timbre?) of the sensory points being stuck or massaged to produce sound? * Rhythm- I envision this device as primarily melodic, but any person with the musical sense of someone like Bobby McFerrin - who I think can makes two sounds at once in this throat(?)- could probably make this percussive or both percussive and melodic... "Sound envelope components": I'm thinking that in designing these parts of the device the model would come from percussive instruments? * Attack - defined by speed of the hand in making contact (does this sound right?) From merely slapping the "skin" in an area to "pushing gently" into it? * Sustain - defined - hm - by the timing or duration of the placement or contact of the instrument-playing tool- finger or (part of) hand- stays and then slides off or away from a specific sensory point on the ball surface? * Decay - defined by the - hm - perhaps by the amount of time the "skin" sensory area, just touched, takes to return to it's original position after the finger (or part of hand) moves away? But with regard to "reverb" - could this BE defined on the surface? * ** I assume that there would be greater power in this instrument is it was a partner effort: you have the player playing the ball, then you have someone managing the audio output... "Record and playback component": * Speed - the pace of the movement of hand, hands, fingers, etc. along the surface of the ball? OK... So I'm no master of any instrument, but I felt the desire to pass this on.... Particularly because I kept hearing ads today for the "Invention Submission Corporation" and I thought- if this has not been invented- we should invent it!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:52 PM To: 'Mark Sottilaro'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI looping > How do you do you're MIDI loops? I usually do them with a program called typo(), which I wrote using KeyKit. When I run typo(), the computer keyboard becomes my controller - each keypress (such as pressing the letter 'A') triggers a note or phrase. If I am holding down the SHIFT key when I press the letter 'A', the note that it plays will be added to the current loop. The loop plays continuously, and I can play along with it or add things to it. I can switch between 10 different loops by pressing '0' through '9'. I can process the MIDI data in a loop (for example, control-W followed by 'F' will apply a fractal algorithm to the current loop). Some documentation can be found here: http://nosuch.com/keykit/doc/lib/typo.html An MP3 file of a performance with typo() is here: http://nosuch.com/audio/wsh/2001/07_thompson.mp3 That performance was improvised live (only the drum patterns were pre-determined), using only typo() and me typing on a computer keyboard in my lap. Recently I've also been doing MIDI looping using playstation dance pads as a controller - see http://nosuch.com/tjt/wsh2002.html for a little description of that. ...Tim... -----Original Message----- From: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig calendar Michael, yes, Looper's Delight has an interactive gig calendar. It has been on the site for many years. http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html The absurd thing is that nobody uses it. I just checked and there were no gigs listed at all. Even though there is never anything listed there, it still gets 500 to 600 visitors per month. That means posting a gig on the LD website calendar is slightly better publicity-wise than posting it to the list! And presumably a lot more people would check it if there were ever any shows listed there. We have it, use it! kim At 08:23 PM 10/15/2002, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/15/02 2:33:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >matthias@grob.org writes: > > >>A (selected) collection of loop music. It should be more artistic, >>seductive. > > >now there's a can-o-worms.....by the way, i forced rick walker to wine and >dine me for 3 days, dats where he's been, oh yah!.....this is all good >stuff on this thread, im gald im home and can focus a bit instead of >partying my brains out.....it seems to me there were quite a few "looping" >events this weekend, suano 3 shows, rick's east/west and han's event with >whoolie, how did that go?.....did the sat loop event happen in NY (charma >(sp)?).....there may have been other shows, sorry if i forgot to mention >them.....can we put up a calender of events someplace.....sorry if this >has been answered but what is the purpose of this new "gibsonesque" web >site?.....i'm sure if any new blood went to this new "LOOP" site there >would be a link to LD and they would come here and see how wacky we >"loopers" truely are.....then what?.....yikes!.....keep them ideas >flowin.....michael ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 05:36:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24413; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <002101c274ec$81f583d0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Spreading the word... web sites, lessons, and clinics (was: The Loop Movements) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:40:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2002 09:31:00.0053 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCF1B850:01C274F6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Per Boysen said > I have lately been struggling with exactly the same > matters here in Sweden. I'll be doing a three days gig at a festival and > they gave me a room (called "Loop Room") with a PA system and asked me > for a description of what I was going to do in there twice a day... Per, how come you don't tell location of your gig/festival... remember that not all loopers on this list are Yanks (respect gents), I live in Oslo and tis a short jaunt over the border (if your thing is this end of the country)... Ha en fin dag! Mark Red __________________ mark red www.mark-red.com mark@mark-red.com __________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 05:47:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25248; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cbm@mail.well.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021015211452.046f91b0@loopers-delight.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021015211452.046f91b0@loopers-delight.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:43:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: gig calendar Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 12:40 AM -0700 10/16/02, Kim Flint wrote: >yes, Looper's Delight has an interactive gig calendar. It has been on the site for many years. > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/gigs/performances.html > >The absurd thing is that nobody uses it. I just checked and there were no gigs listed at all. Even though there is never anything listed there, it still gets 500 to 600 visitors per month. That means posting a gig on the LD website calendar is slightly better publicity-wise than posting it to the list! And presumably a lot more people would check it if there were ever any shows listed there. > >We have it, use it! Allright then! I just added my gig on Saturday 10/19/2002. Somehow it made two entries, but that just means that twice as many people will show up right? Cool service. Chris -- http://www.xfade.com/ | In theory, there is no difference between cbm@well.com | theory and practice. In practice, there is. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 06:34:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29198; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:33:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:33:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021016103121.91799.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: RE: gig calendar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- MIKO wrote: > Kim- what is Violacea.com? And why are the > sub-domains names after poisons > one uses to murder? It sounds cooler than using different flavors of pudding. > Also note the traceroute below. It was never my > understanding that you were > located in DC. I'll go double check though... Before taking on his current assignment, Agent Flint was in charge of tape loops in the Nixon White House. It was there that he invented the UNDO function. During the Carter administration, Agent Flint escaped by hot air balloon to East Germany, where he took the name Matthias Grob & set up a front company called Oberheim. Funds from this activity were channelled to The RNC and helped elect Ronald Reagan to the White House. Flint's ultimate goal is to make America's youth as loopy as Dan Quayle. John ===== John Tidwell __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 08:22:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04586; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:21:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:21:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021016122038.13653.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "john smith" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:20:38 -0500 Subject: re: FCB1010 question X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there, Thanks for the info. I'm sorry to say that I accidentally trashed the message that Per Boysen sent in response to your posting. It is possible that his message answers the question I'm posing below. Is it possible for anyone to pass that along again? Can I ask for clarification on something you wrote? Where you mention "The 1010 is seriously limited to using only one midi channel, period." does this mean that each bank will only talk to one channel? If I understand this is correctly, I would have to assign one bank to each unit. Also, I don't think any of the units I'm presently using have what you described as "fixed midi commands on a single channel." I'm interpreting what you've written to mean that the units being controlled (in your case a Repeater and Behringer effects box), have particular functions assigned to occur when a cc message is received on a specific channel - when the Repeater receives cc 55 on midi channel one, it does something different than if it receives cc 55 on channel two. If this is correct, I'm out of the woods on that one. So far, I've been able to assign a particular midi channel to each device (Boss effects unit receives on channel 1 and the JamMan on channel 2). Each unit allows me to dictate which midi channel it will accept messages from. If I want a pedal to control only one box, I program what ever cc message I want to be sent on to the specific unit on it's channel. On the other channels I send ghost messages (either 00 or 128) depending on how that unit is numbered. Is this making sense or am I missing your point? On the other hand, if the EDP has midi functions which are configured the way I've understood your Repeater and Behringer effects box, I'm dead meat... I don't think that's the case though. I think the EDP takes only commands on a particular channel (which I am able to dictate). Thanks, mb Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 08:29:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05106; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:28:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:28:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ce01c2750f$67b6fd00$2b61f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200210160658.CAA11284@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Rick, checking in after the EAST meets WEST LOOPFEST Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:27:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I'm here getting over a particularly gnarly stomach flu after the wonderful if ill attended EAST meets WEST Loopfest. I had the dubious distinction of throwing up for 7 hours on the day of the show and wobbling onto stage and doing my set. Talk about looping...........the inside of my stomach was doing a rather constant internal analogue loop..........lol. Amazingly, I got my sea legs about half way through my set and ended up enjoying the rest of the night and playing with Michael Klobuchar and Sunao (who are both wonderfully creative artists in their own right). I was so weak that I didn't even set up my black lights (and my Wind Synth failed to work with my Repeater for the 6 show in a row --- and it was a brand new borrowed unit from Steve Rice so I finally know that it's not just me---- although I feel insane because it ALWAYS WORKS PERFECTLY AT HOME............LOL)so i felt a little sad that I wasn't able to give my last local performance of TRANSLUCENT DAYGLO LIME GREEN PLASTIC the full treatment but that's life I suppose. I've just been working so hard to promote looping that I , ironically, haven't had time to follow all of the definition postings started by Matthias' thoughtful first post on the subject several days ago...........I'm way backed up on Loopers Posts so I hope to get into the discussion in a few days time. One quick observation.............when I promote our little community (as I do continually to anyone and everyone who will listen) people always say, what is looping. I, firstly, always identify myself as a live looping artist. I then say, "You know about how loops are used in hip hop"? to which everyone says, "Yes, of course". I then say, "There is a burgeoining community of musicians who identify themselves with new technology that allows us to use that concept in real time" I always stress that it is NOT A MUSICAL form and that, indeed, one of the reasons I love our community so much is that everyone comes from different places. Interestingly enough, at the FOUND SOUND FESTIVAL (all kudos to our leader Matt Davignon) there were 4 members of L.D. on the night I played. All four used the exact same instruments that the audience brought us and some kind of looping apparatus (as well as other processing equipment) and NOBODY sounded the same. This also struck me during both the Y2K2 FESTIVAL and the WOMAN's LOOPING FESTIVAL. This is a community that embraces a specific technology that carries with it a very broad, yet still loosely definable aesthetic (looping, as it were) and we are all 'smiling on each other's existence' and supporting each others individuality and creativity. I love this community for it's support; it's creativity; it's active involvement; it's intellect; and it's true artistic progressiveness. In a funny kind of way. Who cares what we label it. I'M A LOOPER and I'M FUCKING PROUD OF IT!!!!! I also love to do shows with people who use looping technology primarily who hate to be called or defined as LOOPERS. There it is...............my mission statement! Thanks for this community..........thanks for all of you.............I'm going to go throw up now.....................ROFLMFAO!!!!! yours, Rick Walker (yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Rick, we all know what your moniker is) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 10:35:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15108; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:34:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:34:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021016143315.46625.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: re: FCB1010 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20021016122038.13653.qmail@email.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As far as i know with the Behringer FCB1010 you can send MIDI comands to 5 different MIDI chanels simultaneously and 2 diferent CCs. cheers Louie > Hey there, > > Thanks for the info. > > I'm sorry to say that I accidentally trashed the > message that Per Boysen sent in > response to your posting. It is possible that his > message answers the question I'm > posing below. Is it possible for anyone to pass > that along again? > > Can I ask for clarification on something you wrote? > Where you mention "The 1010 is > seriously limited to using only one midi channel, > period." does this mean that each > bank will only talk to one channel? If I > understand this is correctly, I would have to > assign one bank to each unit. > > Also, > > I don't think any of the units I'm presently using > have what you described as "fixed > midi commands on a single channel." I'm > interpreting what you've written to mean > that the units being controlled (in your case a > Repeater and Behringer effects box), > have particular functions assigned to occur when a > cc message is received on a > specific channel - when the Repeater receives cc 55 > on midi channel one, it does > something different than if it receives cc 55 on > channel two. If this is correct, I'm out > of the woods on that one. So far, I've been able to > assign a particular midi channel to > each device (Boss effects unit receives on channel 1 > and the JamMan on channel 2). > Each unit allows me to dictate which midi channel it > will accept messages from. If I > want a pedal to control only one box, I program what > ever cc message I want to be > sent on to the specific unit on it's channel. On > the other channels I send ghost > messages (either 00 or 128) depending on how that > unit is numbered. Is this > making sense or am I missing your point? > > On the other hand, if the EDP has midi functions > which are configured the way I've > understood your Repeater and Behringer effects box, > I'm dead meat... I don't think > that's the case though. I think the EDP takes only > commands on a particular channel > (which I am able to dictate). > > > > > Thanks, > > mb > > Re: > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at > Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 11:03:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18205; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:02:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:02:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021016150138.13953.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:01:37 -0500 Subject: re: FCB1010 question X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-3.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, Thx for the response. I probably misunderstood Srice. OK, keep me posted. mb ----- Original Message ----- From: Louie Angulo Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:33:15 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: FCB1010 question Re: Re: As far as i know with the Behringer FCB1010 you can Re: send MIDI comands to 5 different MIDI chanels Re: simultaneously and 2 diferent CCs. Re: cheers Re: Louie Re: Re: > Hey there, Re: > Re: > Thanks for the info. Re: > Re: > I'm sorry to say that I accidentally trashed the Re: > message that Per Boysen sent in Re: > response to your posting. It is possible that his Re: > message answers the question I'm Re: > posing below. Is it possible for anyone to pass Re: > that along again? Re: > Re: > Can I ask for clarification on something you wrote? Re: > Where you mention "The 1010 is Re: > seriously limited to using only one midi channel, Re: > period." does this mean that each Re: > bank will only talk to one channel? If I Re: > understand this is correctly, I would have to Re: > assign one bank to each unit. Re: > Re: > Also, Re: > Re: > I don't think any of the units I'm presently using Re: > have what you described as "fixed Re: > midi commands on a single channel." I'm Re: > interpreting what you've written to mean Re: > that the units being controlled (in your case a Re: > Repeater and Behringer effects box), Re: > have particular functions assigned to occur when a Re: > cc message is received on a Re: > specific channel - when the Repeater receives cc 55 Re: > on midi channel one, it does Re: > something different than if it receives cc 55 on Re: > channel two. If this is correct, I'm out Re: > of the woods on that one. So far, I've been able to Re: > assign a particular midi channel to Re: > each device (Boss effects unit receives on channel 1 Re: > and the JamMan on channel 2). Re: > Each unit allows me to dictate which midi channel it Re: > will accept messages from. If I Re: > want a pedal to control only one box, I program what Re: > ever cc message I want to be Re: > sent on to the specific unit on it's channel. On Re: > the other channels I send ghost Re: > messages (either 00 or 128) depending on how that Re: > unit is numbered. Is this Re: > making sense or am I missing your point? Re: > Re: > On the other hand, if the EDP has midi functions Re: > which are configured the way I've Re: > understood your Repeater and Behringer effects box, Re: > I'm dead meat... I don't think Re: > that's the case though. I think the EDP takes only Re: > commands on a particular channel Re: > (which I am able to dictate). Re: > Re: > Re: > Re: > Re: > Thanks, Re: > Re: > mb Re: > Re: > Re: Re: > Re: > -- Re: > Re: __________________________________________________________ Re: > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Re: > Mail.com Re: > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Re: > Re: Re: Re: ===== Re: Re: Re: __________________________________________________ Re: Do you Yahoo!? Re: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More Re: http://faith.yahoo.com Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 12:18:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24224; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:17:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:17:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:18:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Best Price on EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, Someone made an offhand comment that an EDP was roughly $650 (US) (foot controller is another $100). The best price I've seen so far is $750 + controller, however. Can anyone in the US say with some degree of certainty who has the best price on this unit? Obviously I can check around for myself and/or try to bargain with the dealers, but if anyone knows right off the top of their head how I can save $100, great. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 12:25:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26294; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:36:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200210160936.AA22872172@lanes.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "mark penner" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Buy a used one. I got mine for $500 including footcontroller. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Jeff Shirkey Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:18:04 -0500 >Hi again, > >Someone made an offhand comment that an EDP was roughly $650 (US) >(foot controller is another $100). The best price I've seen so far is >$750 + controller, however. Can anyone in the US say with some degree >of certainty who has the best price on this unit? Obviously I can >check around for myself and/or try to bargain with the dealers, but >if anyone knows right off the top of their head how I can save $100, >great. > >Jeff > > __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 12:41:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28189; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:40:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:40:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:38:56 +0100 Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve suggested: > Ghost Town is a truly remarkable album, was a defining moment for me, > listening wise... every note Frisell plays is essential, but GhostTown is a > marvellous loop intro to the great man. also worth checking out are all the > trio records, the recent one with Elvin Jones and Dave Holland, the Buster > Keaton soundtracks, and the live mid 90s one... Agree that these are great records with very musical looping. But my top defining moment was hearing the Power Tools record "Strange Meeting" with Melvin Gibbs and Ronald Shannon Jackson. Absolutely awesome; potent, musical, haunting. Dont know if it's still in print but was released on Antilles in UK in 1988. Another essential source of Frisell loopabilly are the trio records with Paul Motian and Joe Lovano. And no bass player - fantastic (I say this as a bass player)! A good starting point is "Live in Tokyo" on JMT. And then there's "Absinthe" by Naked City (Tzadik); ambient swampadelica grunge loops. Enough for now. victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 12:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28742; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:51:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:51:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Cc: Subject: SV: Spreading the word... web sites, lessons, and clinics (was: The Loop Movements) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:50:44 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001e01c27534$2bbf4620$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Per Boysen said > > > I have lately been struggling with exactly the same > > matters here in Sweden. I'll be doing a three days gig at a > festival > > and they gave me a room (called "Loop Room") with a PA system and > > asked me for a description of what I was going to do in > there twice a > > day... > > > Per, how come you don't tell location of your gig/festival... > remember that not all loopers on this list are Yanks (respect > gents), I live in Oslo and tis a short jaunt over the border > (if your thing is this end of the country)... > > Ha en fin dag! > > Mark Red Oh, sorry. The festival is in Stockholm. Info is up at www.scandinavianmusicfestival.com (only in Swedish so far) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 13:22:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32531; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:18:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <0eJ78D.A.K6H.09Zr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A "strange meeting" can be scary or thrilling. The way you describe the Power Tools Record, I CERTAINLY hope it's still in print somewhere. Sounds like something worth a good long listen. Again and again when you've just got to be in the dark. With no one watching. I'm not yet familiar with Trio Records... My friend Pat was once looking for a place where she could find a copy of the "Haunted" soundtrack by Debbie Wiseman. I pointed her to the agent site for Debbie Wiseman but that was not the proper route, I don't think. Is there any possibility that either of you two has any idea where a somewhat esoteric Soundtrack Cd can be ordered online- or where one might find a cd like that? Thanks in advance. - MIKO -----Original Message----- From: Victor Nicholls [mailto:victornicholls@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:39 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Steve suggested: > Ghost Town is a truly remarkable album, was a defining moment for me, > listening wise... every note Frisell plays is essential, but GhostTown is a > marvellous loop intro to the great man. also worth checking out are all the > trio records, the recent one with Elvin Jones and Dave Holland, the Buster > Keaton soundtracks, and the live mid 90s one... Agree that these are great records with very musical looping. But my top defining moment was hearing the Power Tools record "Strange Meeting" with Melvin Gibbs and Ronald Shannon Jackson. Absolutely awesome; potent, musical, haunting. Dont know if it's still in print but was released on Antilles in UK in 1988. Another essential source of Frisell loopabilly are the trio records with Paul Motian and Joe Lovano. And no bass player - fantastic (I say this as a bass player)! A good starting point is "Live in Tokyo" on JMT. And then there's "Absinthe" by Naked City (Tzadik); ambient swampadelica grunge loops. Enough for now. victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 13:50:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03466; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:45:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:45:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:44:12 -0700 Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are a guitarist. All Frisell recordings are recommended listening. From a looping perspective I would agree that his older ECM stuff is probably at the top, although he continues to use delays in his overall sound. From a purely Frisell perspective, I am partial to Quartet and Good Dog, Happy Man. Nashville is also worth picking up immediately. Beautiful, gorgeous, enveloping music. Frisell seems to be undervalued on this list, although I can't understand why as looping and delays and layering are really his sound. On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 09:38 AM, Victor Nicholls wrote: > Steve suggested: > >> Ghost Town is a truly remarkable album, was a defining moment for me, >> listening wise... every note Frisell plays is essential, but >> GhostTown is a >> marvellous loop intro to the great man. also worth checking out are >> all the >> trio records, the recent one with Elvin Jones and Dave Holland, the >> Buster >> Keaton soundtracks, and the live mid 90s one... > > > Agree that these are great records with very musical looping. But my > top > defining moment was hearing the Power Tools record "Strange Meeting" > with > Melvin Gibbs and Ronald Shannon Jackson. Absolutely awesome; potent, > musical, haunting. Dont know if it's still in print but was released on > Antilles in UK in 1988. > > Another essential source of Frisell loopabilly are the trio records > with > Paul Motian and Joe Lovano. And no bass player - fantastic (I say this > as a > bass player)! A good starting point is "Live in Tokyo" on JMT. > > And then there's "Absinthe" by Naked City (Tzadik); ambient > swampadelica > grunge loops. > > Enough for now. > > victor > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 13:51:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03743; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:47:34 +0100 Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ooops I recommended Frisell with Motian Trio "Live in Tokyo" as top looping record. Just had another listen to it - actually only one track of major looping ("Mumbo Jumbo") but what a track. It could only be done using looping. Ferocious stuff. victor From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 13:54:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04032; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:51:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:51:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012501c2753c$e7d3cc20$475d4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:53:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If you are a guitarist. All Frisell recordings are recommended > listening. From a looping perspective I would agree that his older ECM > stuff is probably at the top, although he continues to use delays in > his overall sound. From a purely Frisell perspective, I am partial to > Quartet and Good Dog, Happy Man. Nashville is also worth picking up > immediately. Beautiful, gorgeous, enveloping music. Frisell seems to be > undervalued on this list, although I can't understand why as looping > and delays and layering are really his sound. in my corner of the universe, Frisell is about as undervalued as oxygen... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 13:58:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04666; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012901c2753d$6cac9620$475d4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:56:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All this talk of recommendations reminds me of a really funny conversation with the Lovely Rick Walker, where after have followed up on one or two of my recommendations (including Ghost Town), he commented that while he really liked what I do musically, he didn't dig ANY of my influences... :o) Just goes to show, you can be greater than the sum of the parts to some people... ;o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 14:16:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08848; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:15:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:15:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <93.252fc980.2adf06a9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:15:05 EDT Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <79jtO.A.hJC.6yar9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, In a message dated 10/16/02 10:51:23 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >in my corner of the universe, Frisell is about as undervalued as oxygen... I have to agree. I get every recording of his that I can lay my hands on (an expensive activity since he does so much on other people's projects). I've driven over 500 miles to see him live and have his "instructional" video as well. He's a rare musical treasure -- one enjoying a certain amount of modest popularity at the moment. I can only hope it continues. It's one of those infrequent cases where it TRULY couldn't happen to a nicer guy. My first introduction to his stuff was with his sophomore release "Rambler" from 1985. 1987's "Power Tools" is a fave of mine too -- but I have never been able to find it on CD (I don't believe it was ever released on anything but LP and cassette). I am halfway tempted to break out one of my copies and burn my own CD-R from what I've got. Then, at least, I could listen to it in something other than just the car (heh, heh, heh). If anybody ever hears of its re-release on CD let me know. I'll snap it up. Best, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 14:29:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10151; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:29:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:29:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <16a.15a78210.2adf09ab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:27:55 EDT Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve (again), In a message dated 10/16/02 10:55:51 AM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >he commented that while he really liked what I do musically, >he didn't dig ANY of my influences... Funny thing about influences -- they sneak out in weird ways. Some of mine are really, really obvious ones (especially where looping is concerned -- i.e., Fripp, Frissell, Tibbetts, Torn). But there are many, many more that most folks would never guess -- and would have a hard time understanding just where they come in. I'd share 'em but I bet you'd laugh. And it is good to have a few secret, sort of "guilty" pleasures . . . :-) Cheers, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 14:40:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10923; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:39:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:39:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <19c.a56b27b.2adf0b48@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:34:48 EDT Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve (yet again), Two other Frisell faves are the first two Marc Johnson & Bass Desires Discs, "Bass Desires" and "Second Sight" both f which feature the guitar duo of Frisell and Scofield (and tasty drummery of Peter Erskine). Frisell and Sco are terrific together . . . really amazing (IMHO). Okay that's it for now, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 14:40:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10925; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013401c27543$9c6ad1a0$475d4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <16a.15a78210.2adf09ab@aol.com> Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:41:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'd share 'em > but I bet you'd laugh. And it is good to have a few secret, sort of > "guilty" pleasures . . . :-) Oh go on, Ted, we promise we'll laugh with you not at you... :o) ...a few months ago Scott Drengsen and I both admitted publicly on list that we were big Kajagoogoo fans - we almost ended up on Springer with a confession like that... :o) My love of 80s pop throws up a lot of bizarre influences that feed into what I do, or at least how 'I' think about what I do, from Cyndi Lauper to the sublime Nik Kershaw... ;o) Influences are a fascinating thing - some are conscious, some of the biggest are often unconscious, and I'm even influenced by music I don't like but which has some sort of idea in it that I think I could make something of... Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 14:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10924; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:39:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:39:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c27543$3d89b9d0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <93.252fc980.2adf06a9@aol.com> Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:38:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com So I've got to mention "Stay Awake: Various Interpretations of Music from Vintage Disney Films" which has Bill Frisell playing several tunes on it. (Besides a lot of other great stuff.) Little looping, if any, though. Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 14:58:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12392; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:57:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.2e2b015b.2adf106f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:56:47 EDT Subject: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA12344 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> I'd share 'em >> but I bet you'd laugh. And it is good to have a few secret, sort of >> "guilty" pleasures . . . :-) none of my gtrstic pleasures are particularly guilty, but! there's a good loada electric players that i enjoy, but not so many that i listen to on purpose, incl: 1) neil young 3) terje rypdal 5) marc ducret 7) kevin shields 9) neil young 11) andré la force, and other folk on this list 13) page hamilton, esp. when he's in-the-haus and, naturally 15) neil young best, dt / splattercell 17) woody aplanalp, but i ain't heard him in some time 19) wayne krantz: awesome, live! 21) matt chamberlain: usually a drummer 23) have i mentioned neil young? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:05:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14084; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:04:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:04:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c27547$19ad22a0$b15a4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <19c.a56b27b.2adf0b48@aol.com> Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:06:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com got one of the Bass Desires CDs (the first one) also well worth the $$ is Marc Johnson's 'Sound Of Summer Running' with Frisell/Metheny on guitar duties. Lovely stuff... c'mon Ted, we wanna hear about how you play 'Crazy Horses' every night before you go to bed, and sing along with the horse noises... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell > Steve (yet again), > > Two other Frisell faves are the first two Marc Johnson > & Bass Desires Discs, "Bass Desires" and "Second Sight" > both f which feature the guitar duo of Frisell and Scofield > (and tasty drummery of Peter Erskine). Frisell and Sco are > terrific together . . . really amazing (IMHO). > > Okay that's it for now, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:14:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14487; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:09:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:09:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021016120442.00b397f0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:05:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell In-Reply-To: <001301c27547$19ad22a0$b15a4ed5@bigboy> References: <19c.a56b27b.2adf0b48@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com CRA - ZY - HORS - ES - weeeeee - weeeeee At 08:06 PM 2002/10/16 +0100, Steve Lawson wrote: >c'mon Ted, we wanna hear about how you play 'Crazy Horses' every night >before you go to bed, and sing along with the horse noises... :o) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:19:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14830; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:13:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:13:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:12:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2002 19:11:16.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD3FBF30:01C27547] Resent-Message-ID: <8dohiC.A.hnD.Epbr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A new EDP was hard enough to find, I just got it about two weeks ago. I'm buying a used foot controller from someone on this list (thank you!). All total the cost has come to over $900, which isn't the best deal by far. I live in a pretty major city in the US and I wasn't able to find a local dealer. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Best Price on EDP? > Hi again, > > Someone made an offhand comment that an EDP was roughly $650 (US) > (foot controller is another $100). The best price I've seen so far is > $750 + controller, however. Can anyone in the US say with some degree > of certainty who has the best price on this unit? Obviously I can > check around for myself and/or try to bargain with the dealers, but > if anyone knows right off the top of their head how I can save $100, > great. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15408; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:19:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:19:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:20:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2YQaxC.A.ZwD.Wubr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >A new EDP was hard enough to find, I just got it about two weeks ago. You can get 'em easily enough from Sweetwater. I called 6 Guitar Centers in my area (yeah, yeah...I know...) and they didn't carry it. So, yeah, I can see how they might be hard to find even at so-called 'major' dealers. I found one on ebay just now for $490 (current starting price anyway), including foot controller. My only reservations are a) warranty (there is none...I asked), and b) It has loop III ver. 5 software. I suppose the software upgrade could be done--but easily? But do I want to risk buying it used anyway? Not sure. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:25:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15750; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:22:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:22:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021016121843.01c7bde0@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:19:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? In-Reply-To: References: <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very. At 02:20 PM 2002/10/16 -0500, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > It has loop III ver. 5 software. I suppose the software upgrade could be done--but easily? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:30:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15740; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:21:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:21:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <24.2d406c7b.2adf163c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:21:32 EDT Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_24.2d406c7b.2adf163c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10622 Resent-Message-ID: <5LqQy.A.s1D.Axbr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_24.2d406c7b.2adf163c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/16/02 2:57:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: > have i mentioned neil young? I never woulda thunk that..WOW & Cool..but you also blew me away in Philly back in 98 i think it was when u actually sang and did a hendrix tune ( cant recall the exact name of the tune...but it was an axis bold as love tune..."just want to talk to you" )...the best thing that ever woke up that sleepy UPENN crowd IMHO and the most surprising and satisfying turn in a live performance I ever saw. Warmest Regards, John Price/ "AKASH" "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations" --part1_24.2d406c7b.2adf163c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/16/02 2:57:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Hedewa7@aol.com writes:


have i mentioned neil young?



I never woulda thunk that..WOW & Cool..but you also blew me away in Philly back in 98 i think it was when u actually sang and did a hendrix tune ( cant recall the exact name of the tune...but it was an axis bold as love tune..."just want to talk to you" )...the best thing that ever woke up that sleepy UPENN crowd IMHO and the most surprising and satisfying turn in a live performance I ever saw.

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"Remember To Always Kill Your Expectations"






--part1_24.2d406c7b.2adf163c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:33:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15981; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:24:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:24:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <123.18623e5f.2adf16c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:23:45 EDT Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA15905 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mr. T, In a message dated 10/16/02 11:57:02 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com writes: >1) neil young One I never would have guessed without you mentioning it. Your repeated mention of him indicates you seriousness. >3) terje rypdal A BIG fave of mine ever since his '78 "Waves" and '80 "Descendre" LPs. >11) andré la force, and other folk on this list Andre is deserving of much more attention than he gets. As much as I loved "Disruption Theory" I really dig his duet with Eric Oberthaler. May La Fosse be with you (forgive me I can't resist a bad pun). >17) woody aplanalp, but i ain't heard him in some time He occasionally plays with my pal Jeff Kaiser in So Cal . . . or did so a few years back. I used to bump into him at NAMM in Anaheim and we'd walk around and converse some. Nice guy. I think we might've shared a bill at the (now defunct) Alligator Lounge in Santa Monica, CA once. >19) wayne krantz: awesome, live! I keep hearing about him but have never caught him yet. >23) have i mentioned neil young? Yes. Neil is great . . . care to elaborate? Thanks for the food for thought. Best, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:35:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16523; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:31:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:31:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c2754a$fa0115c0$b15a4ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3b.2e2b015b.2adf106f@aol.com> Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:33:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com DT wroted: > 1) neil young That makes sense - at least in terms of the sense of 'visceralness' (is there such a word) in a lot of what you do... my unlikely bass influences would be people like Mark Sandman, Kim Deal, Tina Weymouth, Simon Gallup... One day I'm going to do a remake of Doolittle by the Pixies, like Charlie Hunter did with that Bob Marley album... ;o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:36:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16466; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:31:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:31:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <123.18623e5f.2adf16c1@aol.com> References: <123.18623e5f.2adf16c1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:32:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > >19) wayne krantz: awesome, live! > >I keep hearing about him but have never caught him yet. > I love Wayne's stuff, too. It's jazz/rock/blues/fusion, but without a doubt he has his own immediately identifiable style. I think he's a wonderful player. Check out 'Two Drink Minimum' for his best (?) live cd. I don't have his newest one, which is also live. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:43:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17489; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:38:25 -0800 Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3b.2e2b015b.2adf106f@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA17446 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > none of my gtrstic pleasures are particularly guilty, but! > there's a good loada electric players that i enjoy, but not so many that i > listen to on purpose, incl: > 1) neil young > 3) terje rypdal > 5) marc ducret > 7) kevin shields > 9) neil young > 11) andré la force, and other folk on this list > 13) page hamilton, esp. when he's in-the-haus > dt / splattercell page hamilton? yeah i always liked his stuff-*until* NOW : http://music.yahoo.com/launch/news/launch/story.html?a=n/music/launch/news/l aunch/rock/20021015/64/p1&b=n/music/launch/news/launch/rock/20021015/64/p2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 15:53:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18704; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:49:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:49:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:48:50 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <033201c2754d$0cebd970$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009001c27421$470a5f00$0201a8c0@eluk> <00d801c2749c$c2771720$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > I like "soundtrack for life at the moment", by the way! > weird, i just read about this in wired (w[eir/ire]d?): http://www.soundwalks.com/ these guys are assembling soundtracks for particular walking paths so far only nyc, paris and rome... i couldn't get their simulation to run correctly, but cool idea anyway... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 16:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22849; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:17:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:17:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c27550$ed28c220$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <009001c27421$470a5f00$0201a8c0@eluk> <00d801c2749c$c2771720$0201a8c0@eluk> <033201c2754d$0cebd970$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: Feedom-Music? (was: Please lets all sit...) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:16:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <9YsSu.A.2kF.Clcr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "jim palmer" > weird, i just read about this in wired (w[eir/ire]d?): > http://www.soundwalks.com/ > > these guys are assembling soundtracks for particular walking paths > so far only nyc, paris and rome... Yes! A cool idea, indeed! The World Forum for Acoustic-Ecology has some similar resources: http://interact.uoregon.edu/MediaLit/WFAE/home/index.html I'd really like to see somebody doing this in 5.1, perhaps with a soundfield mic. Of course, I'd have to get something to play it on then. :) Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 16:19:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22898; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:17:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:17:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c27550$e423a550$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:25:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2002 20:15:12.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[BBACE960:01C27550] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, I ordered the eprom upgrade from Aurisis at the same time I ordered the EDP. I just received the eproms last night. Their customer service isn't so hot, you gotta pay by PayPal at best and they don't send you an e-mail confirmation of your order but they say their operation is tiny. Not a big deal, they came, I installed them very easily and now I've got a ton more features to learn. I just wish I could find software for my computer that could easily exchange loops with the EDP, but if the MIDI transfer is going to be slow then it might not be worth the effort. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? > >A new EDP was hard enough to find, I just got it about two weeks ago. > > You can get 'em easily enough from Sweetwater. I called 6 Guitar > Centers in my area (yeah, yeah...I know...) and they didn't carry it. > So, yeah, I can see how they might be hard to find even at so-called > 'major' dealers. > > I found one on ebay just now for $490 (current starting price > anyway), including foot controller. My only reservations are a) > warranty (there is none...I asked), and b) It has loop III ver. 5 > software. I suppose the software upgrade could be done--but easily? > But do I want to risk buying it used anyway? Not sure. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 16:23:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23756; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:22:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:22:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:22:00 EDT Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc.2d9b0ff9.2adf2468_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_bc.2d9b0ff9.2adf2468_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some favorite loop-freindly recordings that come to mind would be: Bill Frisells 'American Blood/Safety In Numbers'...a project Bill did with Brian Ales and Victor Bruce Godsey that came out on Intuition. This release features Bills live playing as well as samples and edits from an extended jam. The entire release is created using the electric guitar and Godseys voice. Very loop friendly (-as an aside, I do have Power Tools on vinyl and cd, so I know that it was initially released on compact disc...not sure if it's still available). Paul Dreshers 'This Same Temple' on Lovely music. The piece Liquid and Stellar Music is a great looping showcase. Gary Lucas and his release 'Skeleton at the Feast' on Enemy records is also very loop friendly, the album consisting of solo guitar improvs from this total genius (don't recall hearing his name come up much here now that I think about it). ...of course, these would be the first few of hundreds I could probably dig up! ha ha -Todd --part1_bc.2d9b0ff9.2adf2468_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some favorite loop-freindly recordings that come to mind would be:

      Bill Frisells 'American Blood/Safety In Numbers'...a project Bill did with Brian Ales and Victor Bruce Godsey that came out on Intuition.  This release features Bills live playing as well as samples and edits from an extended jam.  The entire release is created using the electric guitar and Godseys voice.  Very loop friendly  (-as an aside, I do have Power Tools on vinyl and cd, so I know that it was initially released on compact disc...not sure if it's still available).

      Paul Dreshers 'This Same Temple' on Lovely music.  The piece Liquid and Stellar Music is a great looping showcase.

      Gary Lucas and his release 'Skeleton at the Feast' on Enemy records is also very loop friendly, the album consisting of solo guitar improvs from this total genius (don't recall hearing his name come up much here now that I think about it).

...of course, these would be the first few of hundreds I could probably dig up!  ha ha  
-Todd
--part1_bc.2d9b0ff9.2adf2468_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 16:43:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26483; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:42:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:42:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:42:19 -0700 Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3b.2e2b015b.2adf106f@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA26365 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm utterly down with recommending Neil Young to anyone. Here's my guilty pleasure of the moment- Dixie Chicks On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 11:56 AM, Hedewa7@aol.com wrote: > 11) andré la force, and other folk on this list > Okay, who's with me for voting that Andre should actually change his name to this! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 16:48:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27177; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:46:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:46:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20021016132324.01c7f410@mail.mindspring.com> X-Files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:43:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? In-Reply-To: <000201c27550$e423a550$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Man - all these new companies are the same... hiding behind some website and email addresses.... and don't get me started on paypal! I liked it in the good 'ol days when you sent cash wrapped in paper through the mail - real mail, real cash - physical mail - none of this bits, bytes and internet stuff. yeah, those were the days :) You'd think Aurisis would have someone on the list - if only to steal ideas for future upgrades! But I guess all EDP users are lucky that Aurisis didn't go the way of Electros Inc and the Againinator. At 12:25 PM 2002/10/16 -0700, nicholson_matt wrote: >Their customer service isn't so hot, you gotta pay by PayPal at best and they don't send you an e-mail confirmation of your order but they say their operation is tiny. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 16:54:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27952; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:53:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <46.2f912e53.2adf2b9b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:52:43 EDT Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46.2f912e53.2adf2b9b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10578 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_46.2f912e53.2adf2b9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as guilty pleasures are concerned, I can't get Queens Of The Stone Age out of my cd player...I am constantly playing their single 'No One Knows'. It's getting to that 'take it out and put it away before you get sick of it and ruin a good song' stage. On top of that, I can't quite rock out like I used to...my back is killing me! -Todd --part1_46.2f912e53.2adf2b9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as guilty pleasures are concerned, I can't get Queens Of The Stone Age out of my cd player...I am constantly playing their single 'No One Knows'.  It's getting to that 'take it out and put it away before you get sick of it and ruin a good song' stage.  On top of that, I can't quite rock out like I used to...my back is killing me!  -Todd --part1_46.2f912e53.2adf2b9b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:00:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29799; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:59:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:59:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:59:10 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: innocent pleasures To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004101c27556$e0367de0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bJwnEbRQLRHrWLtneOXhtQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <46.2f912e53.2adf2b9b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0aoW_B.A.cRH.rMdr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_bJwnEbRQLRHrWLtneOXhtQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There's been an awful lot of Van Halen, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and blues in my car over the last year. Great driving music. For the last two weeks, it's been Einstein on the Beach. dB * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_bJwnEbRQLRHrWLtneOXhtQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
There's been an awful lot of Van Halen, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin,
and blues in my car over the last year. Great driving music.
 
For the last two weeks, it's been Einstein on the Beach.
 
 
dB
 
--Boundary_(ID_bJwnEbRQLRHrWLtneOXhtQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:05:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30385; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006601c27557$7fe90f60$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021016132324.01c7f410@mail.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:03:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You'd think Aurisis would have someone on the list - if only to steal ideas for future upgrades! Golly, yes! :) There ain't *nobody* from Aurisis here! :D Hey! Somebody should email them and *tell* them about Looper's Delight! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:11:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31338; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:10:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:10:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:09:11 +0100 Subject: Recommended frisell in the dark From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Miko ("MIKO" A "strange meeting" can be scary or thrilling. The way you describe the > Power Tools Record, I CERTAINLY hope it's still in print somewhere. Sounds > like something worth a good long listen. Again and again when you've just > got to be in the dark. With no one watching. If you want something scary to listen to in the dark, when you're all alone, try "Absinthe". Pack your spare pants. Actually, sod the record, just try absinthe in the dark. Works for me. v From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:21:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00407; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:21:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:21:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021016212054.708.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:20:54 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: re: FCB1010 question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First, I do not claim to be a midi expert, but I spent a lot of time mucking with the fcb1010. If it can address multiple midi channels as Per says, great, I can really use it. Per, please describe how you do this. In my experimenting, I have not been able to have more than one midi channel for all banks and all presets. To clarify, _which_ midi channel is selectable, but my experience is that it applies to everything. Yours in rhythm, Steve Date:Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:23:47 +0200 From:"Per Boysen" To:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject:SV: FCB1010 question > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com] > > The 1010 is seriously limited to using only one midi > channel, period. For all the banks. Unless you can > configure one of your devices to remap midi commands, > it is almost certain that a command sent to one device > will do something unwanted to another device. But you can configure a certain pad to send on another midi channel. I'm using this trick to set up a couple of banks for controlling the Repeater on midi channel 8 (note numbers by "virtual" pad number 10) and some other banks to control the EDP on midi channel 2. One expression pedal is set to ch 2 (EDP) and the other to ch 8 (Repeater). Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:28:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01521; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:27:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:27:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021016212643.97300.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Syd Barrett still sounds fresh and he also did a few echoloops back then! ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:30:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02478; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:30:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:30:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021016212933.19449.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:29:33 -0500 Subject: re: FCB1010 question X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-4.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there Steve, Here here on the midi expert thing, there ain't one here either. I got the posting that I missed from Per (thanks to your most recent posting). I think he's describing what I was doing with my set up. Let's see what he says. Ok, type soon, mb ----- Original Message ----- From: SRice Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:20:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: FCB1010 question Re: Re: First, I do not claim to be a midi expert, but I spent Re: a lot of time mucking with the fcb1010. If it can address Re: multiple midi channels as Per says, great, I can really Re: use it. Re: Re: Per, please describe how you do this. Re: Re: In my experimenting, I have not been able to have more Re: than one midi channel for all banks and all presets. Re: To clarify, _which_ midi channel is selectable, but my Re: experience is that it applies to everything. Re: Re: Yours in rhythm, Re: Steve Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Date:Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:23:47 +0200 Re: From:"Per Boysen" Re: To:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Re: Subject:SV: FCB1010 question Re: Re: Re: > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Re: > Från: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com] Re: > Re: > The 1010 is seriously limited to using only one midi Re: > channel, period. For all the banks. Unless you can Re: > configure one of your devices to remap midi commands, Re: > it is almost certain that a command sent to one device Re: > will do something unwanted to another device. Re: Re: But you can configure a certain pad to send on another midi Re: channel. I'm Re: using this trick to set up a couple of banks for controlling Re: the Repeater on midi channel 8 (note numbers by "virtual" pad Re: number 10) and some other banks to control the EDP on midi Re: channel 2. One Re: expression pedal is set to ch 2 (EDP) and the other to ch 8 Re: (Repeater). Re: Re: Best wishes Re: Re: Per Boysen Re: Re: Re: __________________________________________________ Re: Do you Yahoo!? Re: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More Re: http://faith.yahoo.com Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:35:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03349; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:34:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:34:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:33:46 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03f001c2755b$b55f7180$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3b.2e2b015b.2adf106f@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0g5B3D.A.ez.7sdr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > 1) neil young >... > 23) have i mentioned neil young? this surprises me a bit, too. what did you think of the soundtrack to "dead man"? i was converted instantly by that one... is anyone here a fan of terry kath? he probably had the most influence on my guitar playing... isn't it interesting how so many musicians get angry when you point out someone you think they were influenced by? like they had to have created every note from a complete vacuum for it to be worthy of recognition? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:45:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05405; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:44:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:44:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:43:35 EDT Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA05344 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, In a message dated 10/16/02 12:04:36 PM, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk writes: >also well worth the $$ is Marc Johnson's 'Sound Of Summer Running' with >Frisell/Metheny on guitar duties. Lovely stuff... I have that one too. >c'mon Ted, we wanna hear about how you play 'Crazy Horses' every night >before you go to bed, and sing along with the horse noises... :o) Huh? Okay, these are some major (but hidden) musical influences on me (not necessarily just guitar ones either) and I will skip the other obvious folk like the Beatles or Hendrix/Page/Clapton/Beck (who pretty much influenced everyone my age -- so why cite them) and folk on the LD list like Andre L (who are obvious in their own way). In no particular order: Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass ( I love their 2-and-a-half minute marvels of tune craft) Boots Randolph (yes, of 'Yakety Sax' fame, I wanted to play sax as a kid but was asthmatic) The Grass Roots (they were from the town I grew up in, saw 'em in concert at the local HS once) Leo Kottke (altered tuning, sliding, and finger pickin' deity with a voice like flatulent geese) Merle Travis (see above and add cool, genuine old-timey songs I remember from my childhood) John Fahey (similar to Leo K. but also a lonely, wacked-out, cool weirdo living in a station wagon toward the end) Eugene Charbourne (see above 3 and throw in a Zappa-esque sick humour t'boot -- a still-living genius/weirdo) Les Paul (STILL one of the coolest gutar payers around, if I could play like him I could die a happy man) Isaac Watts (old hymn writer, 1674-1748, his stuff still moves me profoundly, sometimes to tears) Arvo Pärt (Estonian composer, mostly minimalist -- but that would be over simplifying, 1935 to present) Eleni Karaindru (Greek fem modern orchestral composer -- if I could only write like her -- see Les Paul --I do kipe some "licks" though) Johann Pachelbell (composer of famous "Canon in D" 1653-1706, some of my earliest loop experiments echoed him) The Collectors (an obscure Canadian band from the late '60s who inspired me more than Hendrix ever did to play electric guirar) David Gilmour (yeah, Pink Floyd , probably oughtta go up there with the Beatles or Hendrix/Page/Clapton/Beck . . .sorry) The Odds (another Canadian band outta Vancoover B.C . . . backed up the soon-to-be-late Warren Zevon for a while) Warren Zevon (I didn't care for his "hits" but like his twisted outlook and many of his other songs, got free tickets to see him live once --been a fan ever since) CaptainBeefheart ("Ice Cream for Crow" is one of my all-time favorite records, a desert island disc, Gary Lucas is an amazing guitarist, Van Vlie t's a true poet) The Mahavishnu Orchestra (their energy, imagination and everything-but-the-kitchen-sink fusion still makes my ears spin and my socks roll up and down) Terje Rypdal (had an entirely different take on "fusion" and still does, plus writes marvelous orchestral/choral pieces -- I want to be him when I grow up) Shawn Lane (yeah, a slick, soul-less fusion guy on his first solo outing, but has turned into much, much more since then, I'm honestly impressed) Dick Dale (I've always dug surf guitar instrumentals -- other faves in this vein are The Mermen and Laika and the Cosmonauts) Oregon (the band, not the state -- one of the coolest, most eclectic modern "chamber jazz" ensembles around -- they practically created the genre) Bob Dylan (the reason I do not write lyrics or try to sing, I wonder how much longer he'll be around, he looks sickly, I dearly love his music) Hum (an underapreciated slacker "grunge" band from the Nirvanna era that amuses me for some unknown reason even I can't figure out) Carl Stalling (the idea of a musical "vocablury" -- the idea that music can communicate as much as words can -- even the small stuff of life) Tommy Tedesco (from the "Bonanza" theme to the "Munsters" one heck of a memorable guitar "lick" factory). I could go on and on and on . . . but will stop now. Whew! That was cahtartic. Sorry for all those who were expecting to see Bobby Sherman, The Monkees, or The Archies in my list. Those were my little sister's records. I dare say some of the above are almost as bad though (Herb Alpert, Boots Randolph, The Grass Roots, Pachelbell). Nor are there any Shaggs LPs in my recors collection. I do sorta enjoy enjoy Jananese girl-band Shonen Knife and Lush. though -- but wouldn't cite 'em as an influence. Okay . . . I've shown you mine (or some of the most silly ones). You all fess up now and show me yours. Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:49:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05840; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:48:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:48:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <03f001c2755b$b55f7180$080210ac@jpalmer> References: <3b.2e2b015b.2adf106f@aol.com> <03f001c2755b$b55f7180$080210ac@jpalmer> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:42:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >isn't it interesting how so many musicians get angry when you >point out someone you think they were influenced by? We had a similar discussion on the jazz guitar list. Personally, I'd take it as the highest compliment if someone told me he could hear the influence of 'x', 'y', or 'z' in my playing. It's one thing to say in a derogatory tone, "Oh, you just sound like a 'so and so' clone". It's quite another thing for a listener to hear and appreciate specific influences in your playing--for one thing, it means they are paying close attention to what you're doing! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 17:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06310; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:52:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:52:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.1926c36f.2adf3951@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:51:13 EDT Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yep, In a message dated 10/16/02 1:23:39 PM, THusken@aol.com writes: >Paul Dresher's . . . [snip] . . . Liquid and Stellar Music Saw him do that piecelive at the Santa Barbara Museum of Art. A big influence -- but not an unexpected one for those who know about him. He used to participate on the list some years ago. Gary Lucas is a fave of mine too. I list him as one on my website for that matter. Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 18:09:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08587; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:06:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:06:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Recommended frisell in the dark Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hopefully better than "promises in the dark"- good sound, bad reality. -----Original Message----- From: Victor Nicholls [mailto:victornicholls@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recommended frisell in the dark Miko ("MIKO" A "strange meeting" can be scary or thrilling. The way you describe the > Power Tools Record, I CERTAINLY hope it's still in print somewhere. Sounds > like something worth a good long listen. Again and again when you've just > got to be in the dark. With no one watching. If you want something scary to listen to in the dark, when you're all alone, try "Absinthe". Pack your spare pants. Actually, sod the record, just try absinthe in the dark. Works for me. v From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 18:17:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09263; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:12:33 -0800 Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: From: Stan Card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03f001c2755b$b55f7180$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com jim palmer writ: >> 1) neil young >> ... >> 23) have i mentioned neil young? > > this surprises me a bit, too. > what did you think of the soundtrack to "dead man"? > i was converted instantly by that one... > > is anyone here a fan of terry kath? > he probably had the most influence on my guitar playing... WOW! i coulda wrote that there e/mail... 'dead man' is the guitarneilyoung bomb-some of the most singularist stylee guitarness i've heard. terry kath is a hero o' mine. his stuff in the early days always stood out. and he had a very distinctive sound and way of playing. and there is always the hendrix quote that follows his story("better than me!"dada dee...) in my cd player alot:"chicago presents the innovative guitar of TERRY KATH" which kinda highlights the tunes he had a lot to do w/-writing,singin,playin-there's a lotta good stuff on there... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 18:51:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11638; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:51:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:51:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <550XyB.A.X1C.I1er9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will confess all of my influences! If and when it ever matters! The only reason I make music is because of the musician I love who cam before me. Do I have to narrow down to anything less than everyone you can name? Even people who play bagpipes, spoons, tracheotomy holes, burnt wooden spoons, and rusty toy xylophones run over by trucks backing out of driveways... LOL Could we ever narrow down by style, or instrument- anything other than quality, style, commitment, and intention- when falling in love with music and being siren-sung into the experience of music to point point where we scream "HE DID THIS TO ME" like a woman joyously shouting for her epidural? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:42 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell > >isn't it interesting how so many musicians get angry when you >point out someone you think they were influenced by? We had a similar discussion on the jazz guitar list. Personally, I'd take it as the highest compliment if someone told me he could hear the influence of 'x', 'y', or 'z' in my playing. It's one thing to say in a derogatory tone, "Oh, you just sound like a 'so and so' clone". It's quite another thing for a listener to hear and appreciate specific influences in your playing--for one thing, it means they are paying close attention to what you're doing! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 19:03:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13963; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:02:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:02:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DADF04A.6C46EFAE@cloud9.net> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:03:38 -0400 From: Mountain Man X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MC-909 References: <200210162251.SAA11838@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, CQ's mention of the MC-909 is the first I've heard of this. I did a bit of googling, and the small marketing blurbs I found are intriguing. Apparently it can record and loop both midi *and* audio, which is something I've been wanting for quite a while. Has anyone had a chance to play with one of these? Any comments/impressions? Thanks, Elby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 19:14:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14699; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20021016132324.01c7f410@mail.mindspring.com> References: <192.f233fac.2ade44e0@aol.com> <001b01c274ec$80c39380$475d4ed5@bigboy> <000f01c27547$f6c245d0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <5.1.1.6.0.20021016132324.01c7f410@mail.mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:11:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: AES loopage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can only assume the person looping in quad in the Eventide booth at the AES show last week is reading this. Regardless, that was a clear highlight for me. It was like entering another large world inside that tiny cubicle. I was also quite surprised by what I got from someone trying out the Roland V-Bass. Anyone here using that and have anything to say about it? I am particularly interested in a couple rumors, that the pitch shifting is not very clean and that you cannot set up entirely different sounds for each string. The totally retuned sounds I heard seemed pretty good, and I didn't think to ask my second question due to that strange affliction called Showheimer Disease... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 19:19:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14698; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:12:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:12:06 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Okay . . . I've shown you mine (or some of the most silly ones). > You all fess up now and show me yours. > > Ted Killian here's some that i used to consider embarrassing but am pretty much over that: my earliest favorite song (that i can remember) was "wreck of the edmund fitzgerald" by gordon lightfoot my first concert was the beach boys i will always remember that fondly, and still love their tunes brian wilson is a genius they also got me into gospel with those tv specials in the 70s john denver great songwriter, great voice, lot's of fun ok the worst ones next: boston and journey. if only i could sing high and clear and in-tune. whew... that's a load off... i don't think i'll ever do anything of my own that is like any of these, though. the list-that-would-not-be-embarrassing-to-the-earlier-me is way to long for a mailing list... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 19:23:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15437; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:22:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:22:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:21:43 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <042801c2756a$ca4d4540$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stan Card > jim palmer writ: > > >> 1) neil young > >> ... > >> 23) have i mentioned neil young? > > > > this surprises me a bit, too. > > what did you think of the soundtrack to "dead man"? > > i was converted instantly by that one... > > > > is anyone here a fan of terry kath? > > he probably had the most influence on my guitar playing... > > > WOW! i coulda wrote that there e/mail... i'm not alone... lol. > > 'dead man' is the guitarneilyoung bomb-some of the most singularist stylee > guitarness i've heard. well said! and a hell of a movie as well... > terry kath is a hero o' mine. his stuff in the early days always stood out. > and he had a very distinctive sound and way of playing. > and there is always the hendrix quote that follows his story("better than > me!"dada dee...) i vaguely remember this... but i've heard this of phil keaggy, too... an interviewer asks "what's it like to be the greatest guitarist in the world" and he says "ask terry kath" (or phil keaggy depending on the mythmaker) so is this for real? > in my cd player alot:"chicago presents the innovative guitar of TERRY KATH" > which kinda highlights the tunes he had a lot to do > w/-writing,singin,playin-there's a lotta good stuff on there... > s > not familiar with that album, but the first three chicago albums have been in regular rotation for me since the 70s (5 and 7 are good, too) is there anything that's not on them on that one? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 19:30:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15927; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:28:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:28:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:27:59 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.101.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA15881 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Alex Scott Gilfix and I were looping in quad at the Eventide booth this last AES Show in LA. I will replicate it alone in Paris SATIS Show, next week. We have just built a new amazing Operative system for it (and Eclipse) along with a huge new presets library. New looping tools like PITCHTIME allow for up to 16 seconds of REAL TIME delay/looping with time compression and/or pitch shifting...it can read audio from 1% to 300% rate, 100% being normal speed...at 50% 16seconds become 32! This is sampling technique applied to real time delay...unique! You can have from 6 to 12 or 15 instances of this delay in Orville. We have built quad looping presets with loops changing speaker in turns, in cross shape, in sides...with loop times set in bars, possibly off-set-able for more random scapes...we have new dynamic distortion tools, with morphing curves, new preamps that are hard to beat when it comes to "new" sounds, polyfuzzes, etc. We have presets where you can shift a mono or a stereo or a quad loop thru a pre-set-able chord progression, while processing the loops and the direct source...improvising on top of the loops...we have....another ton of new amazing stuff...making the most powerful box even more powerful...different tap tempo for delays and for loops (reset or climbing)....Orville is a new machine. OS V3.0 will be a looper's dream. Greetings Italo > I can only assume the person looping in quad in the Eventide booth at > the AES show last week is reading this. Regardless, that was a clear > highlight for me. It was like entering another large world inside > that tiny cubicle. > > I was also quite surprised by what I got from someone trying out the > Roland V-Bass. Anyone here using that and have anything to say about > it? I am particularly interested in a couple rumors, that the pitch > shifting is not very clean and that you cannot set up entirely > different sounds for each string. The totally retuned sounds I heard > seemed pretty good, a strange affliction called Showheimer Disease... > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 19:59:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17733; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:57:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:57:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Was: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:59:33 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <2WSWo.A.2UE.2zfr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com From: "jim palmer" > > > > Okay . . . I've shown you mine (or some of the most silly ones). > > You all fess up now and show me yours. > > > > Ted Killian > > > here's some that i used to consider embarrassing but am pretty much over that: > > my earliest favorite song (that i can remember) was > "wreck of the edmund fitzgerald" by gordon lightfoot > > my first concert was the beach boys > i will always remember that fondly, and still love their tunes > brian wilson is a genius > they also got me into gospel with those tv specials in the 70s > > john denver > great songwriter, great voice, lot's of fun > > ok the worst ones next: > boston and journey. > if only i could sing high and clear and in-tune. > whew... that's a load off... > > i don't think i'll ever do anything of my own that is like any of these, though. > > the list-that-would-not-be-embarrassing-to-the-earlier-me is way to long for a mailing list... Earliest favorite song? I think it may have been "Summer in the City" by the Lovin' Spoonful. Or anything in the Motown catalog by 1965. Or was it "Flower Girl" by the Cowsills? Oh well. First Concert? If high school counts, Mountain came to Ridgewood HS in Fall 1970. If it doesn't, it'd be the Rolling Stones, Madison Sq Garden, August 1972. Or Connie Stevens in a road show of "The Wizard of Oz" in the pouring rain (her calico was running!), Swope Park, Kansas City MO, 1962? Yes, one CAN have lust at age 5. First bought single? Alas. "I Want You Back" by the Jackson Five. First LP, "From Elvis in Memphis", bought with "Yellow Submarine". Let's face it, my brother saved me with a one-two punch later on: "Bayou Country" by CCR, and "Best of Cream". It was FM all the way from that point on, and farewell to WABC... I wish I'd gone to see the Stones on the Steel Wheels tour. I had a chance but it was the end of tour, and in 75 Mick had been HORRIBLE at the end of the "April Fools"/"Black and Blue" tour. I hear it was one of their best shows. I wish also that I'd gone to see the Grateful Dead more (72, 76, 79, then 92 in Vegas). Jerry!! And at last, Neil Young. Learned to play guitar with the help of "Harvest", starting with "Heart of Gold", thank you very much! Favorite albums by him would be "American Stars n' Bars", "Time Fades Away", "On the Beach", and "Tonight's the Night" - and only one of those is in print, alas. I still have a fairly pristeen cassette [cough] of "On the Beach", that one of these days I'm going to burn to CD. The prophetic lyrics of "Revolution Blues" come to mind time and time again these days. I was working on a cover of that song, then Columbine happened, and the bit about "I'm a barrel of laughs with my carbine on/I keep 'em hoppin' till my ammunition's gone" makes my face scrunch up in an emotion I've not quite figured out yet. It's late here, can'tcha tell? :) Nite all. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 21:00:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23993; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:59:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 20:59:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: JHKNICKS@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:00:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Best Price on EDP? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0D8E17E8.06187AE9.006DDF79@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8ayM3.A.mjF.4sgr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com try alto music 845 692 6922 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 21:36:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26552; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:34:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:34:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Hedewa7@aol.com Message-ID: <3e.26273a1b.2adf6d77@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:33:43 EDT Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: >'dead man' is the guitarneilyoung bomb-some of the most singularist stylee >guitarness i've heard. in the film, the first 15 minutes of score are deadly: deadly. i highly recommend seeing 'crazy horse', live, if ya ever have the chance..... or, ye could simply rent jim jarmusch's film, 'year of the horse'. best, dt / splattercell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 16 23:31:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05064; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:27:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:27:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <122.190ba76a.2adf87fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:26:54 EDT Subject: 9 string fretless To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: <89-cl.A.-OB.f4ir9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My most creative new toy since I started playing solo bass looping gigs has arrived! Yesterday I got my new Warrior 9 string fretless bass! I need to stop playing it long enough to set up the full rig and LOOP ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 00:44:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11029; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:43:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:43:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:42:29 -0700 From: Tim Thompson Subject: RE: MIDI looping In-reply-to: <3.0.5.32.20021016012353.00b23100@pop.earthlink.net> To: "'Goddess'" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b501c27597$9a0956d0$14a8a8c0@zena> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Is your program for sale? The fractal algorithm sounds > very interesting. My program is free. The typo() thing is included in KeyKit version 7.1a, which is available at http://nosuch.com/keykit ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 01:22:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16449; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:21:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:21:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Subject: RE: MIDI looping Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:21:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00b501c27597$9a0956d0$14a8a8c0@zena> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <3QY-U.A.uAE.ljkr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Again, I am really impressed by our LD community! I've had my eye on KeyKit for quite some time. (Anybody who is interested in manipulating MIDI should check it out.) Then I find the creator is here with us! Great program, Tim! Thanks for your efforts and contributions! Dennis Leas ----------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:42 PM > To: 'Goddess'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: MIDI looping > > > > Is your program for sale? The fractal algorithm sounds > > very interesting. > > My program is free. The typo() thing is included in > KeyKit version 7.1a, which is available at http://nosuch.com/keykit > > ...Tim... > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 02:34:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21232; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:33:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:33:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:35:31 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <12f.1926c36f.2adf3951@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Sender: 520030663132-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I also should mention Fred Frith here. He's truly awesome in his own very special way. And hugely influential. The big three FRI's for me: Frisell, Fripp, Frith. David would certainly also be one of them if his name was FriTorn. = michael peters = computer graphics + electronic music = www.mpeters.de/mpeweb = www.mp3.com/veloopity From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 02:58:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22788; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:57:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 02:57:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAE016E.77E@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:16:49 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: References: <042801c2756a$ca4d4540$080210ac@jpalmer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, in addition to Kajagoogoo,I'll listen to anything w/Warren Haynes(I especially like him singing Jerry Garcia's songs with Phil Lesh).The Monkees inspired me to play in a band.John Denver to play guitar.I would've never survived high school without UFO's "Lights Out" and that 10 minute power balled at the end. Mars Cowling(Pat Travis)was my 1st living bass hero.Toiling Midgets at the Mabuhay Gardens was one of my most memorable shows ever.I like Led Zepplin much better then the Beatles and the song "War Pigs" can still bring a tear to my eye.(especially lately I'm sad to say) PEACE oh,did I say "like a hurricane? cortez?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 03:34:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25692; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:30:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:29:39 -0700 Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: was recommended listening/frisell From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <22gaZD.A.-QG.1bmr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today's listening seems to have been dominated by David Torn. I started iTunes out playing David Bowie's _Heathen_ and it then just kept chugging away in alphabetical order by artist's first name running through David Sylvian's _Secrets of the Beehive_ and then into David Torn's _Cloud About Mercury_ and _Door X_. Okay. There was David Byrne's version of _Don't Fence Me In_ in the midst of that and it then went off into Dead Can Dance, but it was a somewhat surprisingly unified while unplanned sequence. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 03:45:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26356; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:42:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:42:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:41:27 -0700 Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/16/02 4:12 PM, jim palmer at jimp@pobox.com wrote: > my earliest favorite song (that i can remember) was > "wreck of the edmund fitzgerald" by gordon lightfoot Red Shea is a fine guitar player. Kevin Peek (the guitar player in Sky who wasn't John Williams) used to be influential for me though I don't think anything shows up in my playing. Actually, I'm listening to "Sahara" as I write this and quite frankly it rocks. At one point my CD collection was heavily dominated by a mixture of 4AD (mostly Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance) and ECM (mostly Metheny, Rypdal, Tibbetts, Jarrett, and Garbarek) recordings. EG by virtue of having Eno, Fripp, Crimson, and Roxy was also well represented. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 03:52:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA26823; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:49:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:49:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 00:49:16 -0700 Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012501c2753c$e7d3cc20$475d4ed5@bigboy> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/16/02 10:53 AM, Steve Lawson at steve@steve-lawson.co.uk wrote: > in my corner of the universe, Frisell is about as undervalued as oxygen... > :o) I have been on a fairly heavy Frisell kick in the past year or so. I'm particularly partial to _Good Dog, Happy Man_ and _Gone Just Like A Train_. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 04:20:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30163; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:20:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:20:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:19:44 -0700 Subject: Confessional lists (was Re: recommended recordings - Frisell) From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm going to try a more detailed though incomplete confessional list... Phase 1: Cat Stevens, Gordon Lightfoot Phase 2: Mike Oldfield, Sky, Yes Phase 3: Pat Metheny (_As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls_ was the first album to catch my attention) Phase 4: King Crimson, The Stranglers, Jethro Tull, Philip Glass, Keith Jarrett, Tangerine Dream Phase 5: Laurie Anderson, Talking Heads, Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno, Robert Fripp, Roxy Music, Kate Bush, R.E.M., Steve Reich (though I'd developed a fondness for Four Organs years earlier) Phase 6: Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, Steve Tibbetts, Harold Budd, Anne Clark Phase 7: U2, The Police, Terje Rypdal, Jan Garbarek, Tom Waits Phase 8: Michael Brook, Daniel Lanois, Cowboy Junkies There's actually a lot of overlap between phases and interests frequently persisted. There's also a fair amount of guessing about chronology. As it is, that list only gets up through maybe the early 1990's. More recently (though spread over a longer period than some of the phases above): k. d. lang, Emmylou Harris, Bill Frisell, The Golden Palominos Key forces of expansion at one point: Brave New Waves on the CBC; the book version of _New Sounds_. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 05:47:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA03107; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:43:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 05:43:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c275c1$e965dc60$03504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:45:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > First bought single? Alas. "I Want You Back" by the Jackson Five.< Alas??? One of the greatest singles of all time! I'd be SO proud if that was my first single... the intro still sends shivers down my spine... if it wasn't for that word 'alas', you'd be my new hero, Steve... :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 06:04:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05210; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:04:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:04:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005801c275c4$df486a60$03504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: Subject: Re: Confessional lists (was Re: recommended recordings - Frisell) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:06:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh god, the phase thing is going unearth some real clunkers in my past... Phase 1) - Boomtown Rats, Police, Stranglers (too young to buy records, but would dance to this stuff on the radio. Phase 2) - Tears For Fears, Paul Young, Duran, Nik Kershaw, Howard Jones (so far, so pop) Phase 3) - (the wilderness years) - Status Quo, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, Stryper, Ratt, Europe, Judas Priest - basically any piss poor hair metal... Phase 4) - saved by goth - The Cure, The Sisters, Mission, Pixies, Throwing Muses, with a side-order of UKHC - Napalm Death, Extreme Noise Terror, Dr & The Crippins, BoltThrower (the Peel-listening years...) Phase 5) - (ickle loop-content) - goth to prog? mmm... Yes, Genesis, Crimson, Uriah Heep, Rush, It Bites etc... And The Fish by Chris Squire was the first time I was ever consciously aware of the concept of looping - I know it was all overdubs, but I did think at the time 'I wonder if that's doable live, is there a pedal that would do that?' - I was aware of the Brian May, Brighton Rock thing, so thought you could just get a longer version of that... Phase 6) - mullets ahoy! fusion-land ahead - Stu Hamm, Weather Report, Jaco (though never heard Slang at this stage), also discovered Joni Mitchell and Bruce Cockburn around this time - musical salvation in sight... Again, hearing the layered bass on Hejira made me wonder about doing it live... Phase 7) - strength in diversity - from there, all flood-gates were open, retaining bits from every phase (OK, except the hair-metal thing...), and majoring on the singer/songwriters and experimental stuff that I'm now focussed on. Also widened my funk/disco listening, and became a Stevie Wonder obsessive. Got sent a JamMan to review for Bassist Magazine, and had my musical world turn upside down. Read an interview with Michael Manring which put it into perspective, and a couple of years later heard him play at NAMM, which solidified it. At which point loop content became yet another criteria which might qualify a CD for purchase. Some of it was actually worth listening to... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 06:07:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05278; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:04:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:04:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007f01c275c4$def47e00$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> <002601c275c1$e965dc60$03504ed5@bigboy> Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:06:08 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 10:45:AM Subject: Re: recommended recordings - Frisell > > First bought single? Alas. "I Want You Back" by the Jackson Five.< > > Alas??? One of the greatest singles of all time! I'd be SO proud if that was > my first single... the intro still sends shivers down my spine... > > if it wasn't for that word 'alas', you'd be my new hero, Steve... :o) > > Steve > www.steve-lawson.co.uk I didn't say it wasn't a "guilty" pleasure, now did I? The above factoid was appreciated by the folks at Jobete when I was IT Director there. :) However, it indeed does show that I have a weakness for GOOD pop music. Jeff Lynne is one of my heroes as well! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 06:35:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA07149; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:34:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:34:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c275c9$1c7c9c40$03504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: "Loop List" Subject: Ah, first lot of new CDs has arrived... Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:36:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...just taken delivery of the limited edition free CD that's available to anyone advance ordering my new album, 'Not Dancing For Chicken' - the freebie one contains lots of EDP-mangling/glitchy stuff and a couple of huge long ambient tracks. If you're interested in any of that, the release date is 24th October, so you've got to order it before then to qualify... All the details are on my site... :o) Thanks to all those of you who've already ordered it - it's always fun to see names I recognise when those emails come through from my web-sales guy... :o) cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 07:31:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10271; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:28:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:28:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:27:45 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: recommended recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005101c275d0$36fb9560$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > my earliest favorite song Sunshine of your love - Cream > > my first concert 2nd Mahavishnu Orchestra in Central Park > First bought single? Strawberry fields forever. dB * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 07:59:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11633; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:58:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:58:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c275d4$c76b26c0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> <005101c275d0$36fb9560$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: recommended recordings Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:00:17 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Beardsley" To: Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:27:PM Subject: Re: recommended recordings > > > > my earliest favorite song > > Sunshine of your love - Cream > > > > my first concert > > 2nd Mahavishnu Orchestra in Central Park Wasn't that the one where they recorded "Between Nothingness and Eternity"? I was at that one! What was it, 1973?? > > > First bought single? > > Strawberry fields forever. > > > dB > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 08:00:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12967; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:59:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:59:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAEA5A4.E8074F55@ubuibi.org> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 04:57:25 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recommended recordings References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> <005101c275d0$36fb9560$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8bCwwB.A.eKD.pYqr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com yes, recommended records one of the best labels around and speaking of recrec i will be having chris cutler on my radio show next tuesday (11:59pm kpfa.org) -das From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 08:05:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13523; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:04:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:04:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bf01c275d5$b0e867e0$03504ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> <005101c275d0$36fb9560$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <3DAEA5A4.E8074F55@ubuibi.org> Subject: Re: recommended recordings Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:06:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com in these internet times, calling your label 'recommended records' is a little counter intuitive - makes it VERY difficult to do any kind of vanity search for mentions of your label... :o) ...it's bad enough being called Steve Lawson - there are many of us out there, quite a few of whom I've compiled on the steve lawson links page on my site (very bottom of my links page...) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "das" To: Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: recommended recordings > yes, recommended records > one of the best labels around > > and speaking of recrec > i will be having chris cutler on my radio show next tuesday (11:59pm > kpfa.org) > > -das > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 08:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13693; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:05:18 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: NYC: 10.19.2002 live microtonal gtr. concert To: extremeNY@topica.com, "3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, Ohmbient list , the_UncommonChord@yahoogroups.com, the_Ambient_way@yahoogroups.com, The Wire , "Looper's Delight Mailing List" , thewire-announcements@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <00bb01c275d5$75de9340$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WywCTRt3pOYZGH8ZKC0gdw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <386nPB.A.tVD.Efqr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WywCTRt3pOYZGH8ZKC0gdw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DAVID BEARDSLEY Microtonal Just Intonation guitar, echoes, loops, drones and minimalism. "Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods." - Kyle Gann, the Village Voice, NYC Saturday October 19, 2002 9:30 p.m., $6.00 Chama 332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D East Village, NYC 646-654-6472 "Phenomenal is one thought. Deep modern meditational tool is another." Pat Pagano, dir. Southeast Just Intonation Society, Gainesville, Fl. http://biink.com http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_WywCTRt3pOYZGH8ZKC0gdw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
DAVID BEARDSLEY
Microtonal Just Intonation guitar,
echoes, loops, drones and minimalism.
 

Saturday October 19, 2002
9:30 p.m., $6.00
Chama
332 East 4th Street, between Aves C & D
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--Boundary_(ID_WywCTRt3pOYZGH8ZKC0gdw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 08:12:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14095; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:11:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:11:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:10:53 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: recommended recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e901c275d6$3e210e00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> <005101c275d0$36fb9560$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <002101c275d4$c76b26c0$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.P. Goodman" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Beardsley" > > > > my first concert > > > > 2nd Mahavishnu Orchestra in Central Park > > Wasn't that the one where they recorded "Between Nothingness and Eternity"? > I was at that one! What was it, 1973?? No, more like the 2nd Mahavishnu with Jean-Luc Ponty and Michael Walden that recorded Apocalypse in '74. The second show I saw was ZZ Top at the same venue. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 09:31:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20231; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021017132704.24586.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DAE016E.77E@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-257810171-1034861224=:24247" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-257810171-1034861224=:24247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Skeletons in the closet, wearing dusty Realistic headphones... I was pretty proud of the version of John Denver's "The Eagle and the Hawk" I used to flail away at in junior high school, and just the other day a chance hearing of "Amos Moses" by Jerry Reed brought back a fond memory. I remember enjoying my 45 of Louden Wainwright III's "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road" until my sister left it on the back seat of the car and I sat on it and cracked it. And I sort of cringe to admit that at this very moment "Tales From Topographic Oceans" in all its bloated glory is in the tape player in my van. (I'm going to see Yes in a couple of weeks, so I'm pulling out some of the stuff I haven't heard in years.) Early Soft Machine, Hawkwind, the elder Hank Williams, John Entwistle's "Whistle Rhymes", Yardbirds, Camel, live Zeppelin boots, The Pretty Things circa "SF Sorrow"... 8 track tapes of Ted Nugent (fade out, clunk, fade in)... (Do any of you remember how the 8 track of Pink Floyd's "Animals" had that little extra instrumental bit on it that connected the closing and opening versions of "Pigs On the Wing"? Looping content, kinda...) Peter Buck has said something like "If you went to high school in the '70's, you liked Aerosmith", and that's probably pretty accurate. I went a little funny after the Everyman Band LP came out... (My copy is a stamped promo that's ostensibly the property of ECM, but I'm not surrendering it.) -t- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com --0-257810171-1034861224=:24247 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Skeletons in the closet, wearing dusty Realistic headphones...

I was pretty proud of the version of John Denver's "The Eagle and the Hawk" I used to flail away at in junior high school, and just the other day a chance hearing of "Amos Moses" by Jerry Reed brought back a fond memory. I remember enjoying my 45 of Louden Wainwright III's "Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road" until my sister left it on the back seat of the car and I sat on it and cracked it.

And I sort of cringe to admit that at this very moment "Tales From Topographic Oceans" in all its bloated glory is in the tape player in my van. (I'm going to see Yes in a couple of weeks, so I'm pulling out some of the stuff I haven't heard in years.)

Early Soft Machine, Hawkwind, the elder Hank Williams,  John Entwistle's "Whistle Rhymes", Yardbirds, Camel, live Zeppelin boots, The Pretty Things circa "SF Sorrow"... 8 track tapes of Ted Nugent (fade out, clunk, fade in)... (Do any of you remember how the 8 track of Pink Floyd's "Animals" had that little extra instrumental bit on it that connected the closing and opening versions of "Pigs On the Wing"? Looping content, kinda...)

Peter Buck has said something like "If you went to high school in the '70's, you liked Aerosmith", and that's probably pretty accurate.

I went a little funny after the Everyman Band LP came out... (My copy is a stamped promo that's ostensibly the property of ECM, but I'm not surrendering it.)

-t-



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faith.yahoo.com --0-257810171-1034861224=:24247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 09:47:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21293; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:42:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:42:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:41:47 +0200 Subject: OT: Internet Radio Streaming Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <008001c275c9$1c7c9c40$03504ed5@bigboy> Message-Id: <2EE22C56-E1D6-11D6-8DA9-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: <46Q-fD.A.dMF._4rr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I've just managed to set up a streaming server, so that I can play a concert in the UK without having to fork out precious money on air tickets etc., and have managed to stream 128kbps stereo MPEG-4 pipe to a single recipient computer. My outgoing bandwidth basically means that I only have the facilities to broadcast to one person. I am looking into the possibility of doing an open online concert, and am wondering if any of you know of a server company that will re-distribute the broadcast to a number of recipients on demand. Live365 I know has since gone pay only... is there another service that anyone knows about that might let me use their servers to broadcast an hour-long online performance? (perhaps to 50-100 people?).... If anyone has any suggestions/ideas, then please email me offlist. Thanks - Stuart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 10:32:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25499; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:31:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:31:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:28:14 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist 10.19.02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge, this coming Saturday. Should be cool -- hope you can make it. subconsciouscafe @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY presents @ ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate all shows: doors @ 8 pm all shows $10 or b/o (exc. where noted) all ages NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 Saturday, 19 October - -THREE -TOM HEASLEY - SOLO TUBA THREE Greg Burk - piano Rick McLaughlin - bass Jeremy Udden - alto & soprano sax TOM HEASLEY - solo tuba (SF) daring Helmholzian exploits in the ambient depths! (Pauline Oliveros, Eugene Chadbourne, Don Preston, Steve Lacy, Frederic Rzewski, many others!) -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:06:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03202; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:00:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:00:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:59:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: AES loopage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_jnaTD.A.dw.T6tr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Italo, I believe I must have heard Scott play then, since I am pretty sure I met you at a previous show. I wish I could go to Paris next week. I have done some work with realtime time compression while looping on a laptop, and so am very curious about the new Orville capabilities. I should have stuck around the booth to ask these questions, but perhaps you'll indulge me here... On my H3000SE, the time compression requires a somewhat time-consuming analysis step for best results. Is this no longer required on a v3.0 orville? Moreover, is the delay memory and the sampler memory now truly the same? My H3000, is about 13 years old now and shows its age, but I think of it like a vintage guitar. For many years it was really my main musical instrument (not to raise that thread again!). Now that there are finally more digital audio ins and outs available for the Orville as well, I may have to think more seriously about selling my car to buy one. regards, Alex S. >Hi Alex >Scott Gilfix and I were looping in quad at the Eventide booth this last >AES Show in LA. I will replicate it alone in Paris SATIS Show, next >week. > >We have just built a new amazing Operative system for it (and Eclipse) >along with a huge new presets library. New looping tools like PITCHTIME >allow for up to 16 seconds of REAL TIME delay/looping with time >compression and/or pitch shifting...it can read audio from 1% to 300% >rate, 100% being normal speed...at 50% 16seconds become 32! This is >sampling technique applied to real time delay...unique! >You can have from 6 to 12 or 15 instances of this delay in Orville. >We have built quad looping presets with loops changing speaker in >turns, in cross shape, in sides...with loop times set in bars, possibly >off-set-able for more random scapes...we have new dynamic distortion >tools, with morphing curves, new preamps that are hard to beat when it >comes to "new" sounds, polyfuzzes, etc. We have presets where you can >shift a mono or a stereo or a quad loop thru a pre-set-able chord >progression, while processing the loops and the direct >source...improvising on top of the loops...we have....another ton of >new amazing stuff...making the most powerful box even more >powerful...different tap tempo for delays and for loops (reset or >climbing)....Orville is a new machine. OS V3.0 will be a looper's dream. > > >Greetings >Italo > > > I can only assume the person looping in quad in the Eventide booth at > > the AES show last week is reading this. Regardless, that was a clear > > highlight for me. It was like entering another large world inside > > that tiny cubicle. > > > > I was also quite surprised by what I got from someone trying out the > > Roland V-Bass. Anyone here using that and have anything to say about > > it? I am particularly interested in a couple rumors, that the pitch > > shifting is not very clean and that you cannot set up entirely > > different sounds for each string. The totally retuned sounds I heard > > seemed pretty good, a > strange affliction called Showheimer Disease... > > > > > >___________________________________________ >Italo De Angelis >Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division >italo@eventide.com >EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:19:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04974; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:18:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:18:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006001c275f9$e5436160$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Rob Wright" To: References: Subject: Re: MIDI looping Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:26:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thanks also to tim. i'm just about to try it out. i too am impressed with the calibre of posts/people on this list. btw, are there any loopers in the hamilton/toronto area of ontario? rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis W. Leas" To: Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:21 AM Subject: RE: MIDI looping > Again, I am really impressed by our LD community! I've had my eye on KeyKit > for quite some time. (Anybody who is interested in manipulating MIDI should > check it out.) Then I find the creator is here with us! > > Great program, Tim! Thanks for your efforts and contributions! > > Dennis Leas > ----------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:42 PM > > To: 'Goddess'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: MIDI looping > > > > > > > Is your program for sale? The fractal algorithm sounds > > > very interesting. > > > > My program is free. The typo() thing is included in > > KeyKit version 7.1a, which is available at http://nosuch.com/keykit > > > > ...Tim... > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:29:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05404; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:23:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:23:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:22:59 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.101.191 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA05372 Resent-Message-ID: <9Fg6wD.A.LUB.tPur9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Italo, > > I believe I must have heard Scott play then, since I am pretty sure I > met you at a previous show. I wish I could go to Paris next week. > > I have done some work with realtime time compression while looping on > a laptop, and so am very curious about the new Orville capabilities. > I should have stuck around the booth to ask these questions, but > perhaps you'll indulge me here... > On my H3000SE, the time compression requires a somewhat > time-consuming analysis step for best results. Is this no longer > required on a v3.0 orville? Moreover, is the delay memory and the > sampler memory now truly the same? The Orville requires some tweaking...less than the 3000, though. Remember that real time extreme time compression can give artifacts that only some manual adjustment can help fixing. Delay memory and sampler memory are separated: Orville DSP A has 43 sec delay and 174 sec sampling Orville DSP B has 43 sec delay. In both dsps, delay memory can be used also with SMALL SAMPLER module, an old fashioned sampler in which time compression AND pitch are tied together. The HI QUALITY Sampler module is only resident in dsp A. It's 174 seconds memory can also be used for looping, by allocating it in LONGDELAY modules, as many as you want, within the max delay memory available. > My H3000, is about 13 years old now and shows its age, but I think of > it like a vintage guitar. For many years it was really my main > musical instrument (not to raise that thread again!). Now that there > are finally more digital audio ins and outs available for the Orville > as well, I may have to think more seriously about selling my car to > buy one. > > regards, > > Alex S. Well, Orville is still much less expensive than all other flagship (TC and Lexi)units and does much, much more. Try one and you'll understand its value. greetings Italo > > >Hi Alex > >Scott Gilfix and I were looping in quad at the Eventide booth this la st > >AES Show in LA it alone in Paris SATIS Show, next > >week. > > > >We have just built a new amazing Operative system for it (and Eclipse ) > >along with a huge new presets library. New looping tools like PITCHTI ME > >allow for up to 16 seconds of REAL TIME delay/looping with time > >compression and/or pitch shifting...it can read audio from 1% to 300% > >rate, 100% being normal speed...at 50% 16seconds become 32! This is > >sampling technique applied to real time delay...unique! > >You can have from 6 to 12 or 15 instances of this delay in Orville. > >We have built quad looping presets with loops changing speaker in > >turns, in cross shape, in sides...with loop times set in bars, possib ly > >off-set-able for more random scapes...we have new dynamic distortion > >tools, with morphing curves, new preamps that are hard to beat when i t > >comes to "new" sounds, polyfuzzes, etc. We have presets where you can > >shift a mono or a stereo or a quad loop thru a pre-set-able chord > >progression, while processing the loops and the direct > >source...improvising on top of the loops...we have....another ton of > >new amazing stuff...making the most powerful box even more > >powerful...different tap tempo for delays and for loops (reset or > >climbing)....Orville is a new machine. OS V3.0 will be a looper's dre am. > > > > > >Greetings > >Italo > > > > > I can only assume the person looping in quad in the Eventide boot h at > > > the AES show last week is reading this. Regardless, that was a cl ear > > > highlight for me. It was like entering another large world inside > > > that tiny cubicle. > > > > > > I was also quite surprised by what I got from someone trying out the > > > Roland V- Bass. Anyone here using that and have anything to say about > > > it? I am particularly interested in a couple rumors, that the pit ch > > > shifting is not very clean and that you cannot set up entirely > > > different sounds for each string. The totally retuned sounds I he ard > > > seemed pre fliction called Showheimer Disease... > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________ > >Italo De Angelis > >Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > >italo@eventide.com > >EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:30:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06438; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:30:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:30:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021017162912.11132.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:29:11 -0500 Subject: power conversion X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-2.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey there, Does anybody have experience with power conversion? I'm looking for a unit that will step European standard 230V down to US standard. I'm a guitarist form the US but I presently live in the UK. I'm running on 120V via a huge coil of copper wrapped up in a big yellow wrapper. I need something more portable and hopefully rackable. At this point, it looks like a 'toroidal' converter will be the route. I'd like to strap it into a rack 'permanently.' The big thing I'm concerned about with this type of set up is noise and how to avoid it. If anyone's got suggestions, including other options, please let me know. Thanks, michael b -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:35:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07106; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:34:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:34:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:34:56 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Re: power conversion In-reply-to: <20021017162912.11132.qmail@email.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try www.furmansound.com They have a capture box that I've wanted for ages, but for the weight and price. I think you can get a reasonable deal from sweetwater on them. Cheers Andrew On 10/17/02 at 11:29 AM, ninertriplezero@email.com (michael b) wrote: > Hey there, > > Does anybody have experience with power conversion? I'm looking for a unit that > will > step European standard 230V down to US standard. I'm a guitarist form the US > but I > presently live in the UK. I'm running on 120V via a huge coil of copper wrapped > up in a > big yellow wrapper. I need something more portable and hopefully rackable. > > At this point, it looks like a 'toroidal' converter will be the route. I'd like > to strap it into a > rack 'permanently.' The big thing I'm concerned about with this type of set up > is noise > and how to avoid it. > > If anyone's got suggestions, including other options, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > michael b > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:43:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08210; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:42:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:42:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DAEE95F.AEB7DF0F@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:46:23 -0500 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Was: recommended recordings - Frisell References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-fsmRD.A.--B.mhur9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com First bought single? "Hot Smoke and Sassafras" by The Bubble Puppy, anyone remember them? almost fusion k From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:46:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07869; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:40:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:40:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00de01c275fc$23d400e0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20021017162912.11132.qmail@email.com> Subject: Re: power conversion Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:42:09 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings, fellow exile! :) DON'T go to an electrical contractor or a lamp store for this! I went to a store on Tottenham Court Road in London here, named A&B Electronics. After getting the run-around with every bleeding DIY whatnot in the area (your first clue to run is an old fella going "Well, let's take a look...") - I finally found the electronics part of town! It cost £140 but in comparison with the cost of my equipment, if not a conversion for each unit, it's reasonable. It's a small cylinder about 5" high, 3" diameter, with two plugs for US equipment, into which I have a pair of switched power strips. It takes a load for the mixer, two Zoom 2100's, the Time Machine, Quadraverb, and when I'm home, even some recharging devices. Good investment, and a necessary one. And, regarding you "strapping it in", the unit has loop-holes for screws. S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! > Hey there, > > Does anybody have experience with power conversion? I'm looking for a unit that will > step European standard 230V down to US standard. I'm a guitarist form the US but I > presently live in the UK. I'm running on 120V via a huge coil of copper wrapped up in a > big yellow wrapper. I need something more portable and hopefully rackable. > > At this point, it looks like a 'toroidal' converter will be the route. I'd like to strap it into a > rack 'permanently.' The big thing I'm concerned about with this type of set up is noise > and how to avoid it. > > If anyone's got suggestions, including other options, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > michael b > > -- > __________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 12:56:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09303; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c275fd$eb30ba10$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <041c01c27569$723b9b00$080210ac@jpalmer> <002201c27570$1ceee380$0201a8c0@eluk> <3DAEE95F.AEB7DF0F@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Was: recommended recordings - Frisell Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:54:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "Hot Smoke and Sassafras" by The Bubble Puppy, anyone remember them? Wow! That brings back memories! I think that was during my "revel in sweating" phase of drumming... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 13:02:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10990; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:02:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:02:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA7E5@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: newbie Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:56:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C275FE.2F36D1E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C275FE.2F36D1E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 14:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20299; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:05:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:05:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <120.180ea3cd.2ae05584@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:03:48 EDT Subject: Re: recommended recordings - addendum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow! The confessional "spirit" has really taken hold of the list today (it seems). I was laying awake a little last night thinking (always dangerous) and sort of mentally blew the dust off some old files tucked back in a dark, dank, cobweb-encrusted corner. I began to think about what my very first musical experiences were. What were my first record purchases? I really don't know what sort of "influence" these folks exert on my current musical trajectory (relative to my list yesterday). These are just some things that came to mind (remember I'm nearly 50 at this point, so this is all ancient history): Very first musical experience: White southern -style protestant acapella church music -- gospel hymns in 4-part harmony (think "Oh Brother Where Art Thou Soundtrack" and you have a pretty accurate picture -- I heard this every week throughout my entire childhood). My parents music: 50s white bread pop/smaltz and show tunes (Elvis, Sinatra, the Lettermen, Paul Anka, Pat Boone, etc.) just a little bit of folk music (Woody Guthrie, Peter Paul & Mary, et al) and a little bit of country (Sons of the Pioneers' "Tumblin' Tumblweed" comes instantly, immediately to mind). My first instrument: Cheap $10 -$15 student guitar (an Xmas gift from my folks in 1964 -- I had a cousin named Gary who was a year younger than me that could aready play a few 3-chord pop songs -- I wanted my parents to be as proud and amazed at me as they were at him -- plus the Beatles hit the States about that same time). Very first record (LP) purchase: The Association (with the song "Windy" -- I had a big crush on a girl named Wendy in Jr. High, I got the disc in a fit of mooning, juvenile fantasy over her). Very First Single (33.3 RPM): "Come Together" by the Beatles [Side 1] Something [Side 2] (I wore that record out on an old Motorola record player that had a tone arm that must've weighed nearly half a pound) 2nd LP purchase: "Bookends" by Simon and Garfunkle (I had an English teacher during my freshman year of High School who thought they were the greatest thing since sliced whatever -- he made us "analyze" many of their songs to death). 3rd LP purchase: Wichita Lineman by Glenn Campbell (it's funny, I still harbor a soft spot for those old Jimmy Web tunes). [Then something changed -- I don't know what -- puberty?] 4th LP purchase: Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma" (Double LP for only $4.99 -- wow! -- I loved "Careful with That Axe Eugene" and played it at ear-splitting volumes). "Grantchester Medows" becomes the first song I ever learned to play -- but I cannot sing and play simultaneously so I give up hope of ever doing that at all. 5th LP purchase: "The Collectors" by The Collectors (a Canadian band of misfits from 1969 -- 2nd side of the album was a 20+ minute concept piece called "What Love Suite" an embarrassingly corny mix of classical, jazz, rock and psychedelic elements -- I really dug the guitar player's fuzzed-out, chaotic, orgasmic, solos -- I wanted to do that more than anything -- now, I don't even remember the guy's name -- this inspired a long stream of fuzz-box purchases and bad playing on my part. 1st live music experiences: My parents took me to a "Hootenanny" folk music thing when I was between 8 and 10 and somewhere else (maybe a church "talent show"?) where I hear somebody play "Yakety Sax" on the saxophone a la Boots Randolph (these are sortta intertwined in my mind and don't know which was first or if they were even at the same event). 2nd Live music experiences: Dances in H.S. Some friends had a band called Red Rock (they actually did Crimson covers at a school dance -- a feat of moxie that still amazes me to this day -- instead of a mellotron they had a violin player). 3rd concert experience: "The Grass Roots" (at the rival HS across town -- a couple of friends of mine and I were able to sneak in -- I only remember the drum solo and the lighting, not much else) 4th concert: My first big-time concert (where I bought tickets for a major show/venue) was ELP at the Hollywood Bowl --summer of '71 5th concert Pink Floyd at the Hollywood Bowl -- same summer (my mind was blown away by the music -- and other things) 6th concert Alice Cooper at the Hollywood Bowl -- 1 or 2 summers later (Captain Beyond, and Humble Pie opened) After that I began to get into early Mahavishnu Orchestra and fusion in general. But then I went away to art school in Mexico and was sortta out of the "pop music" loop for a while. I hardly heard anything but classical and Mexican folk ("mariachi") music for the better part of a year. One significant exception however was being exposed to Isao Tomita's music in Chapultapec park (in Mexico City). That was my first awareness of "electronic music" per se. I heard it in a place called "the Grotto" which had a quad (or even hexaphonic) sound system. It was amazing. The music is embarrassing now but it was sure cool then. When I came back to the States in '74 I was sort of musically lost. I listened to and enjoyed some prog rock, Yes, Tull, Floyd, ELP, and in particular King Crimson of the period . . . and began to re-discover (belatedly) fusion. But, I also discovered Leo Kottke for the first time. Also got to see Merle Travis perform at a "Day of Folk Music" at the local community college. I began to experiment with drop-D and open tunings, fingerpicking and slide playing myself. But, the thing that really, really, really changed me at that time was going over to a friend of a friend's house in Oxnard, CA to hear a fellow named Randy Jones play music in his living room. He'd rigged up a tape delay with an altered reel-to-reel and did spontaneous duets with himself on an old Strat copy with a slide. My musical world changed that night -- I was obsessed with finding out ways I could do this as well -- and finding other examples of this sort of music. That, of course, lead me to Fripp and Eno's 1973 "No Pussyfooting" and 1975 "Evening Star" LPs. I was "ruined for life" by those discs. I liked a lot of other kinds of music (for just listening) after that. But, my course was pretty much set (for playing) to figuring out how to loop like Fripp (and that fellow, Jones) forever after. Of course I didn't call it "looping." I didn't have a term for it. I tried renting/borrowing expensive tape "echoplexes" from music stores and eventually the first few analog . . . and then digital delays came along. I couldn't afford any of 'em "til I was out of college and married with a real job -- remember I was a starving art student during all of this previous time. My first delay was a DOD (or Digitech) stomp box with about a 1.5 second delay -- hardly loop-worthy by today's standards but I was happy at the time. Then Electro- Harmonix came out with the 16-second delay and I blew may savings (and nearly my marriage) by buying 2 of those puppies (and the remote switches to control them). I finally had my "Fripp-in-a-boxes" and an old Akai second-hand 1/4 inch reel-to- reel and 2 Fender Champ amps and I was set. I also had a half- dozen old stomp boxes of various types and a Morley wah/ volume/panning pedal. I was in heaven . . . the neighbors probably thought otherwise (but at least the old lady with whom we shared an adjacent apartment wall was already deaf). I bought my first (chrome) Ebow in 1980 directly from Heetsound. Throughout the early-to-mid '80s I was much too timid to play any of this in any more of a public space than my apartment. If you think loop-friendly venues are in short supply now imagine then. In '86 or '87, through a mutual Friend, Jeff Kaiser heard about me and pestered me to do a "House Concert" with him. That having been successfully pulled-off, gave me some confidence to do more . . . and then some more . . . and then some more. And that . . . more or less . . . is that. The rest is covered by my silly "bio" on Jeff's pfMentum label website I suppose. I'm sortta surprised at the length of this e-mail. I originally thought it'd be this short little thing. Somewhere after "Ummmagumma" I lost crontrol and the rest is blather, blather, blather away. Now I'm wondering whether I should press "send" or not. Gee. See where this confessional spirit has gotten us. Argh! I should have stopped after "Wichita Lineman." Oh well, here goes. Best of luck, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 14:20:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22012; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:18:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:18:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021017181759.45387.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: innocent pleasures To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210171702.NAA11077@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<8 track tapes of Ted Nugent (fade out, clunk, fade in)... (Do any of you remember how the 8 track of Pink Floyd's "Animals" had that little extra instrumental bit on it that connected the closing and opening versions of "Pigs On the Wing"? Looping content, kinda...)>> I might only be 29, but I remember 8 tracks. We still have an 8 track that almost works. In addition to the "fade out clunk clunk fade in" aspect, they always rearranged the songs so that they'd fit on the four programs of the loop without anyone being too short. Frequently, they'd repeat a song, sometimes playing just the first verse and chorus or whatever and then fading out. And though I never owned Pink Floyd's Animals on 8-track, I do know that version of Pigs On The Wing you mention. It's been frequently bootlegged, and was eventually released legitimately on Snowy White's Goldtop compilation (that's Snowy playing the guitar solo, he says he went to Britannia Row studios, where the band was working on the album, to audition for the 2nd guitarist/bassist spot on their upcoming tour, and Roger Waters said something to the effect of "Since you're here, why don't we record something"). I don't remember my first single, but I think my first album (or at least the first real non-children's record my parents ever bought for me) was a cassette copy of Double Platinum by Kiss when I was 5. I had this rinky dink toy cassette player, I think it was a Bugs Bunny cassette player, anyway, I remember sitting in the dining room when we got home from Wal Mart, and I sat there listening to it for the first time. I also remember it was a two cassette set. I guess back then, they hadn't figured out how to make a double length tape or whatever so that they could have the only whole thing on one tape. I also remember trying to talk my parents into buying me a copy of Boston's Don't Look Back, which had probably just come out at the time, and I was immediately taken by the cover artwork. I think my dad, trying to avoid paying whatever a new LP would have cost back then, said somethin to the effect of "You won't like that". Ten years later, I was able to prove him wrong by buying my own copy of it. I got turned on to my music by my oldest brother when I was little. He used to listen to Kiss, Uriah Heep, Peter Frampton, BTO, that sorta stuff. And I don't care what anyone says, Billy Idol's Rebel Yell is a really good record. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 14:39:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24170; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:39:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:39:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021017183815.20089.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:38:15 -0500 Subject: Re: power conversion X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com S.P. Thanks for the quick response. So, is that unit you have a 'toroidal' converter? No noise problems - very good indeed! With my setup, I'm needing to draw around 1000 watts. Is that in your ball park? I'm looking at a unit that sounds similar to your description - a little bigger though. I think that I need to do some minor wiring which is not a problem. I'm a student here (Devon - of all places) and the tech guys at my school are fantastic. michael b ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.P. Goodman" Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:42:09 +0100 To: Subject: Re: power conversion Re: Greetings, fellow exile! :) Re: Re: DON'T go to an electrical contractor or a lamp store for this! Re: Re: I went to a store on Tottenham Court Road in London here, named A&B Re: Electronics. After getting the run-around with every bleeding DIY whatnot Re: in the area (your first clue to run is an old fella going "Well, let's take Re: a look...") - I finally found the electronics part of town! It cost £140 Re: but in comparison with the cost of my equipment, if not a conversion for Re: each unit, it's reasonable. Re: Re: It's a small cylinder about 5" high, 3" diameter, with two plugs for US Re: equipment, into which I have a pair of switched power strips. It takes a Re: load for the mixer, two Zoom 2100's, the Time Machine, Quadraverb, and when Re: I'm home, even some recharging devices. Good investment, and a necessary Re: one. Re: Re: And, regarding you "strapping it in", the unit has loop-holes for screws. Re: Re: S.P. Goodman Re: EarthLight Productions Re: * Re: http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! Re: http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! Re: Re: > Hey there, Re: > Re: > Does anybody have experience with power conversion? I'm looking for a Re: unit that will Re: > step European standard 230V down to US standard. I'm a guitarist form the Re: US but I Re: > presently live in the UK. I'm running on 120V via a huge coil of copper Re: wrapped up in a Re: > big yellow wrapper. I need something more portable and hopefully rackable. Re: > Re: > At this point, it looks like a 'toroidal' converter will be the route. Re: I'd like to strap it into a Re: > rack 'permanently.' The big thing I'm concerned about with this type of Re: set up is noise Re: > and how to avoid it. Re: > Re: > If anyone's got suggestions, including other options, please let me know. Re: > Re: > Thanks, Re: > Re: > michael b Re: > Re: > -- Re: > __________________________________________________________ Re: > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com Re: > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Re: > Re: > Re: > Re: > Re: > Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 14:43:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24791; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:42:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:42:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021017132704.24586.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021017132704.24586.qmail@web40708.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:41:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: innocent pleasures: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: <7_yY6C.A.VCG.HSwr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey all, It's nice to see this list turn back to discussion of esthetics instead of gear! I've been sitting out the definition of looping thread because I really don't have anything to add, but I'm glad to see a serious discussion of the difficult topic of just what the hell it is we're all trying to do with these crazy boxes. Made me nostalgic for the early daze of LD (aw-shucks) As far as the guilty pleasures thing goes, I don't think anyone should feel bad about any music they dig or have dug. I get accused of being a music snob now and then, but hey, I was a huge Paul Simon fan in Junior High, owned all of his solo and S&G stuff on 8-track. I sometimes feel like my Miles Davis fetish is a bit out of hand. Bitches Brew was the record that, once I heard it in High School, convinced me that I wanted to be a musician. Since then, I've gotten just about every millisecond of music he recorded from 1960 onwards, including a lot of bootlegs. I also suffer from a major Bill Laswell fixation, which can be an expensive habit. I'm not saying either of these are less than great musicians, just that my own involvement with them verges of obsessive/compulsive Lately, a lot of my listening has been hip-hop, especially the more experimental stuff. Anti-pop Consortium's latest mixes way cool analog electronics with very clever raps. Blackalicious' Blazing Arrow is the best, smartest, most upbeat rap record I've heard in ages, in a just world this would top the pop charts (and in the real world isn't doing that badly). Bonus points for featuring both Gil Scott Heron (in person) and Harry Nilsson (in a sample) on the same disc. The new Dalek disc on Ipecac is just about the perfect fusion of NY Noise Rock ala Sonic Youth with hip hop. The new Cinematic Orchestra (Every Day, amazing disc) has British rapper Roots Manuva rhyming "Take you to my Tardis" with "Who's the hardest," a couplet that never fails to crack me up. It seems like a lot of people are dismissive of hip hop, even around LD's enlightened membership, and I just wanted to point out that, just like any other genre of music, there are great people doing interesting music out there. BTW, I just scored a Roland RE-301 Chorus Echo, tape delay w/sound-on-sound, spring reverb and chorus. Beautiful box, hooked it up to the Rhodes and spent last night in tape decay bliss. And it's covered with Tolex, the true hallmark of cool gear... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 14:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24783; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:42:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:42:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c2760d$2e8adca0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20021017181759.45387.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: innocent pleasures Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:44:08 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" To: Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 19:17:PM Subject: Re: innocent pleasures > <<8 track tapes of Ted Nugent (fade out, clunk, > fade in)... (Do any of you remember how the 8 > track of Pink Floyd's "Animals" had that little > extra instrumental bit on it that connected the > closing and opening versions of "Pigs On the > Wing"? Looping content, kinda...)>> > > I might only be 29, but I remember 8 tracks. We > still have an 8 track that almost works. In > addition to the "fade out clunk clunk fade in" > aspect, they always rearranged the songs so that > they'd fit on the four programs of the loop > without anyone being too short. Frequently, > they'd repeat a song, sometimes playing just the > first verse and chorus or whatever and then > fading out. > > And though I never owned Pink Floyd's Animals on > 8-track, I do know that version of Pigs On The > Wing you mention. It's been frequently > bootlegged, and was eventually released > legitimately on Snowy White's Goldtop compilation > (that's Snowy playing the guitar solo, he says he > went to Britannia Row studios, where the band was > working on the album, to audition for the 2nd > guitarist/bassist spot on their upcoming tour, > and Roger Waters said something to the effect of > "Since you're here, why don't we record > something"). > > I don't remember my first single, but I think my > first album (or at least the first real > non-children's record my parents ever bought for > me) was a cassette copy of Double Platinum by > Kiss when I was 5. I had this rinky dink toy > cassette player, I think it was a Bugs Bunny > cassette player, anyway, I remember sitting in > the dining room when we got home from Wal Mart, > and I sat there listening to it for the first > time. I also remember it was a two cassette set. > I guess back then, they hadn't figured out how to > make a double length tape or whatever so that > they could have the only whole thing on one tape. > > > I also remember trying to talk my parents into > buying me a copy of Boston's Don't Look Back, > which had probably just come out at the time, and > I was immediately taken by the cover artwork. I > think my dad, trying to avoid paying whatever a > new LP would have cost back then, said somethin > to the effect of "You won't like that". Ten years > later, I was able to prove him wrong by buying my > own copy of it. > > I got turned on to my music by my oldest brother > when I was little. He used to listen to Kiss, > Uriah Heep, Peter Frampton, BTO, that sorta > stuff. > > And I don't care what anyone says, Billy Idol's > Rebel Yell is a really good record. No doubts there. I love Steve Stevens' work! On the 8-track fade-switch thing, another one that was done up special for the format was ELP's "Brain Salad Surgery", wherein the random synthesizer bit at the end of 'Karn Evil 9: 1st Impression pt.1" didn't fade out, but instead had an extended synth bit right into "pt.2". I was always disappointed that they didn't take the opportunity to do that same mix for the CD, but perhaps their 'new remastered version with bonus tracks" may offer something... S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 14:46:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24937; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:43:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:43:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021017184206.15621.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:42:06 -0500 Subject: Re: power conversion X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-6.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: <5A3TAB.A.FDG.eSwr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andrew, I'd love to do that Furman unit but it's a little out of my spending range at the moment. Thanks for the advice though. I'll keep you updated concerning my situation. Thx, michael b ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew pask Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:34:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: power conversion Re: Re: Try www.furmansound.com Re: Re: Re: They have a capture box that I've wanted for ages, but for the weight and price. Re: I think you can get a reasonable deal from sweetwater on them. Re: Re: Re: Cheers Re: Re: Re: Andrew Re: Re: Re: Re: On 10/17/02 at 11:29 AM, ninertriplezero@email.com (michael b) wrote: Re: Re: > Hey there, Re: > Re: > Does anybody have experience with power conversion? I'm looking for a unit Re: that Re: > will Re: > step European standard 230V down to US standard. I'm a guitarist form the US Re: > but I Re: > presently live in the UK. I'm running on 120V via a huge coil of copper Re: wrapped Re: > up in a Re: > big yellow wrapper. I need something more portable and hopefully rackable. Re: > Re: > At this point, it looks like a 'toroidal' converter will be the route. I'd Re: like Re: > to strap it into a Re: > rack 'permanently.' The big thing I'm concerned about with this type of set Re: up Re: > is noise Re: > and how to avoid it. Re: > Re: > If anyone's got suggestions, including other options, please let me know. Re: > Re: > Thanks, Re: > Re: > michael b Re: > Re: > -- Re: > __________________________________________________________ Re: > Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com Re: > http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Re: > Re: > Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 14:54:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26946; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:53:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:53:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <016501c2760d$a4c93f60$303d5cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: Listen to EMUSIC Worldwide! Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:45:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It has been a long time coming but now it has arrived!!!! You can now hear EMUSIC (and all of WDIY's great programming) anywhere you have internet access. All you need to do is visit http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN radio button. This dream come true is due, in part, to the members of WDIY. You can become a member of WDIY by calling 610-758-8810. What's that you say? You're outside the 610 area code (or the USA, for that matter)? No problem! You can make a secure on-line pledge at http://wdiy.org by clicking on the PLEDGE radio button. By becoming a member, you ensure that WDIY continues to provide innovative programming like EMUSIC on 88.1 FM in Allentown/Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and now worldwide on the internet. Your pledge could very well be used to increase our bandwidth on the internet to ensure that all who want to listen are able to tune in. WDIY and EMUSIC are already known worldwide. Now they can be heard worldwide. Listen to EMUSIC at 11:04 pm (eastern daylight savings time/GMT-5:00). To celebrate the start of WDIY's Fall Membership Drive and the onset of our internet audio feed, EMUSIC will run an extra five hours (for a total of SEVEN HOURS!!), featuring music from the ten CD box set "Contemporary Works Volume 1" by Klaus Schulze on the Rainhorse/Manikin label. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Radio Station Web Sites: http://wdiy.org http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 15:04:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30940; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:03:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:03:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:01:32 +0200 Subject: Re: Making a spectacle of yourself From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021015001622.008b1160@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA30771 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 15.10.2002 8:16 Uhr schrieb Goddess unter thefates@earthlink.net: > I think the audience is a very important part of a performance. > Personally, I address the audience all the time when playing, in speech, > in mannerism, in physical stance, in visual aspects of the performance > itself, and the music itself as well. The audience matters in all of it. > -just like I, and the music matter in all of it. The audience is > cool, and if you treat them that way, they and you, contribute to > eachother. It all goes together to make a wonderful performance. -just my > thoughts... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 08:56 PM 10/14/02 +0100, you wrote: >> Max ("max valentino" ekstasis1@hotmail.com) wrote: >> >> >>> It interests me how others here are using their loopersŠ. especially > those who >> might be working within an ensemble. If you are working within the >> structures of ³traditional² song forms, how does that work? >> >> I¹ve been using loopers in three settings recently, ranging from >> ambient/avant/improv to French tradtional music. The ambient band >> (www.big-hair.co.uk) features fretless bass, theremin and trombone and is >> essentially structured improvisation using loops now and again with various >> boxes and long long delays. By contrast, I play fretless bass in a five >> piece band (www.pauljamesmusic.com) (drums, keyboards/accordion, samples, >> sax/bagpipes) which plays real songs. The role of the looper is to provide >> digital voodoo to complement bagpipes and accordion playing. I also use >> atempo loops and very long delays with a pitch shifter/Ebow to play >> melodies/harmonies which sound like nothing else you would usually encounter >> in folk music. Works well. We get gigs. >> >> >> >>> The other interesting aspect of this thread is of the nature of > performance. >>> Especially with solo loopers, there is a tendency towards ³shoe-gazing². >>> We might have so much going on with our feet and hands that any performance >>> (read: entertainment) aspect is simply impractical. I did not make it to >>> the recent Women¹s LoopFest, but from what I hear, there were several >>> performers who added a visual spectacle to some very impressive looping >> techniques. >> >>> This is important as what we do as musicians is directly tied to our > ability >>> and need to communicate on some level with people who are not musicians. >>> People who do not play are always fascinated by our alchemical abilities to >>> conjure up sounds, which relate to them on various intellectual and > visceral >>> levels. Yet, attention spans do not last that long. The >>> visual/entertainment aspect of our work is a great aid in our ability to >> communicate. >> >> Good point. I play the knobs on the DL4 and frankly it is desperately >> non-visual (keeps me happy, though). By contrast, Big Hair involves three >> visual instruments ­ a bass guitar, the sliding of a trombone and the arm >> waving involved in theremin playing. Also, my musical partner has long been >> a theatre performer too. This means that we are able to shape performance >> and harness his stage presence as well as his trombone/theremin skills. >> >> If you¹re asking people to pay to see you, then I think you have a duty to >> give them something back ­ it may be that the music you do is so fantastic >> that the visual side is not relevant. On the other hand, there are positive >> benefits for performer and audience if you spend time thinking about these >> things. For example, Big Hair performed at an experimental music fest where >> the audience had been faced with serious electronic improvisers for two days >> solid, most of whom could have been playing in their bedroom for all the >> notice they took of the two hundred people watching. We came on and spoke >> to, and looked at the audience ­ they responded very positively. In fact, >> the audience reaction made us play better. A positive feedback loop (no pun >> intended). >> >> One side effect of modifying the sound of a bass with all this gear is that >> the audience doesn¹t realise what is making the sound ­ it could be a >> keyboard. Generally, they don¹t care and I¹m sure this is right. To me, this >> underlines the point that it is the music which is most important, not the >> technology. The old punk rocker in me starts to get very suspicious when the >> gear itself becomes the reason to play. >> >> v >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > After five years of playing the same 60, simple folktunes/songs with just my good, old doublebass (and still finding new approach in a very detailed way of looking),I now come the point to have the freedom to really work on my performance. What i want to sayis this: The more complex the music your playing and the techniques you are using, the longer it will take to become a good musician and performer in the same time. For me the consequence will be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I believe this way I´ll naturally find an more audience-friendly way to perform my looping. CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 15:37:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01732; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:33:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:33:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00d801c275e1$808e5c60$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: Re: AES loopage Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:49:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo, that's interesting--a few questions: >I will replicate it alone in Paris SATIS Show, next week. Not that far from here...when, what, and where is this show? > We have just built a new amazing Operative system for it (and Eclipse) Which of the looping features you list will be in the Eclipse? Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? ...we have new dynamic distortion > tools, with morphing curves, new preamps that are hard to beat when it > comes to "new" sounds, polyfuzzes, etc. Will these also be in the Eclipse? Morphing as in the Digitech gnx2/3? And what's a "polyfuzz"? Bruce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 16:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07806; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:11:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c15811$01e5a4c0$bd83abd4@giow2000> From: "luca" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA7E5@LON-MAIL07> Subject: bitter sweet Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:47:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15816.2B13FEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Messaggio in formato MIME composto da più parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15816.2B13FEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: newbieHi guys, sorry to say my edp has gone crazy after a couple of days of strange = behaving... Today, when I swith it on, all the regular light carousel flashes (loop = 4) and then it keeps flashing "lo" in the first two green digits on the = right of the display..... I hate to reset it, so much time spent in setting different presets = ..... Tell me I just have to kiss him on a particular chip .... luca ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15816.2B13FEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: newbie
Hi guys,
sorry to say my edp has gone crazy = after a couple=20 of days of strange behaving...
Today, when I swith it on, all the = regular light=20 carousel flashes (loop 4) and then it keeps flashing "lo" in the = first two=20 green digits on the right of the display.....
I hate to reset it, so much time spent = in setting=20 different presets .....
Tell me I just have to kiss him on a = particular=20 chip ....
 
luca
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C15816.2B13FEA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 16:43:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11500; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:40:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:40:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:40:00 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.102.67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id QAA11476 Resent-Message-ID: <-ran8B.A.jzC._Ayr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Italo, > > that's interesting--a few questions: > > >I will replicate it alone in Paris SATIS Show, next > week. > > Not that far from here...when, what, and where is this show? SALON DU SATIS DU 22 AU 24 OCTOBRE 2002, PARIS EXPO, PORTE DE VERSAILLES, HALL 3, STAND L9 : JUKE BOX Limited our kind distributor for France will be hosting EVENTIDE Demos ! ! ! I will be meeting all of you there, Tide friends! It'll be my pleasure to show you : -NEXT Orville and Eclipse Operative Systems -our Surround Orville Demo -audio demos for Eclipse -audio demos for Orville in stereo AND Quad setup (lots of gtr LOOPING!) -VSIG Programming Clinic Info: http://www.jukeboxltd.com/ and http://www.satis-expo.com/uk/home.htm > > We have just built a new amazing Operative system for it (and Eclips e) > Which of the looping features you list will be in the Eclipse? The Eclipse has some of the looping features of Orville...not all: 40 sec delay, probably TimePitch. reverse delays/looping. No samplers. No 4 minute,20 sec memory. No open platform. You could get deeper info by getting the manuals here: www.eventide.com > Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? Done that! It's just an old delay trick...not reverb. > ...we have new dynamic distortion > > tools, with morphing curves, new preamps that are hard to beat when it > > comes to "new" sounds, polyfuzzes, etc. > > Will these also be in the Eclipse? Morphing as in the Digitech gnx2/ 3? > And what's a "polyfuzz"? Eclipse has all of these! Morphing is the possibility to go from a preset curve to another, shaping distortion fifferently. The process can be manual, lfo driven, or dynamics driven...like in a tube. Polyfuzz is a 4 preamps distortion tool, where you can fine tune 4 bands frequency, hi cut, drive, master level, panning, eq for a very particular kind of distortion: imagine a dom7 #5 #9 chord that doesn't get confused by harmonics overload! Chords stay "clean" in their ave to try it to give your ears a treat. Hope to meet you in Paris, Bruce. please be my guest! Greetings Italo > > > > > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 17:40:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17986; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:36:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:36:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <196.f39ba7e.2ae08758@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:36:24 EDT Subject: Re: AES loopage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Italo, May one presume that you'll be demoing and looping at NAMM in January too? Best, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 17:56:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19760; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:52:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:52:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:52:05 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.102.67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA19708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott or me will do it. Don't know yet.... I might get lost in those QUAD soundscapes and never be able to get out of them. Just finishing a new Quad patch, with 4x10sec reverse shifters, fed by hard eq, finally going out to a majestic verb...intervals are Unison, - 1 octave, plus a 5th, minus a 4th, delay times are 5800ms, 8000 ms, 10000 ms and 3500 ms...each going to a different speaker. I can't move my ass from my chair...."Galaxy Border" is a dreamscape. Help...getting lost on Nebula 415...SOS from starship Argon 576KWX... SOS Italo > Italo, > > May one presume that you'll be demoing > and looping at NAMM in January too? > > Best, > > Ted Killian > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 18:07:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22766; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c27629$35fb6600$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: AES loopage Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:04:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <9Yd1qB.A.fjF.sQzr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is all Orville stuff correct? Does the Eclipse have the ability as well? Not that I am going to spend $2000 on one any time soon- just curious! See you at NAMM hopefully- Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo De Angelis" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: Re: AES loopage > I might get lost in those QUAD soundscapes and never be able to get out > of them. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 18:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23525; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:10:27 -0700 From: andrew pask Subject: Re: AES loopage In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mailsmith 1.5.3 (Blindsider) Content-type: text/plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >"Galaxy Border" is a dreamscape. Hey Italo, I can't figure out what list I'm on if you can't figure out what galaxy you're in. Are you re-writing "Galaxy Borders" for the new OS? That's one of my all time faves. I thrash that patch. I modulate the pitch shifts sometimes too, also it's pretty good fun to feed that one into a filter like Eelectronic. Cheers A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 18:17:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24594; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:16:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:16:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:16:10 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.102.67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA24557 Resent-Message-ID: <6nPtYC.A.AAG.uazr9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Correct...ORVILLE delights! You can do some of this on Eclipse...not all and not in QUAD! greetings Italo > This is all Orville stuff correct? Does the Eclipse have the ability a s > well? Not that I am going to spend $2000 on one any time soon- just curious! > See you at NAMM hopefully- > Cliff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Italo De Angelis" > To: "Loopers-Delight" > Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: AES loopage > > > > I might get lost in those QUAD soundscapes and never be able to get out > > of them. > > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 18:23:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25380; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:22:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:22:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:21:58 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.102.67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA25326 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Andrew I'm lost in space! Galaxy Border was a crazy works of mine on the legendary DSP4000. It didn't have all the power to reach 40 sec reverse shifters + verb D quality. Now, on Orville, it has mutated into something I can't learn words to describe, with Tap Tempo/Rhythmic Subdivisions and more stuff. I'm also working on 2 different versions...a stereo one (that would fit on the 7000/7500, besides going to Orville) and a Quad one for the monster dude! Now...I'm thinking of doing a different one, reversing the order...sending EQ > VERB > 4x10 sec reverse shifters...that would be killer...imagine 50 sec verb reverse shifted on 4 speakers.... by the way...we will have lotsa new filters stuff on new OS. I'm sinking...into...DSP...dreamland.....deep.... Help! Italo > >"Galaxy Border" is a dreamscape. > > > Hey Italo, I can't figure out what list I'm on if you can't figure out what > galaxy you're in. > > Are you re-writing "Galaxy Borders" for the new OS? > That's one of my all time faves. I thrash that patch. I modulate the pitch > shifts sometimes too, also it's pretty good fun to feed that one into a filter > like Eelectronic. > > Cheers > > > A > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 18:25:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25749; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:24:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:24:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:28:22 -0700 Subject: Re: AES loopage/Reverb Freezing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 01:40 PM, Italo De Angelis wrote: >> Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? > > Done that! > It's just an old delay trick...not reverb. > Italo (or anyone else into dsp algorithms)- Can you expand on this, i.e., what would be the block diagram to create a nice cavernous reverb that could be "frozen"? Clearly a looping delay inside a reverb set-up could do this, but I sure there are some better ideas suggestions- Thanks- Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 18:28:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26180; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:28:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:28:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:27:43 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.102.67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA26122 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It's night...deep night, here at the feet of Alps in Italy. Moon shines full! It's THAT time when ideas come up...spring out from the inner place we all keep inside...borders get closer....imagination can dream of things...of ways to reach for them... It's going to be a looong night...3 more days and the new OS will be SEALED! Can't figure out how much more stuff I could give to future Orville/7000/7500 users...in years to come...to delight ears, imagination, spirit of those that in a long beautiful night like this will share, some day, the same exact feelings....you all know about that. So long, Andrew! Italo > >"Galaxy Border" is a dreamscape. > > > Hey Italo, I can't figure out what list I'm on if you can't figure out what > galaxy you're in. > > Are you re-writing "Galaxy Borders" for the new OS? > That's one of my all time faves. I thrash that patch. I modulate the pitch > shifts sometimes too, also it's pretty good fun to feed that one into a filter > like Eelectronic. > > Cheers > > > A > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 18:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26675; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:30:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:30:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:30:06 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage/Reverb_Freezing?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.102.67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA26616 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I use a couple of looping delay lines after the verb. The trick is to use a switch with a slow ramp...not to slow...not to fast...as soon as the sound is in the verb...you hit the switch and the loops goes on...without attacks captured in it...kind of Sostenuto pedal in the piano... Fun!!! Italo > On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 01:40 PM, Italo De Angelis wrote: > > >> Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? > > > > Done that! > > It's just an old delay trick...not reverb. > > > Italo (or anyone else into dsp algorithms)- > > > Can you expand on this, i.e., what would be the block diagram to creat e > a nice cavernous reverb that could be "frozen"? Clearly a looping dela y > inside a reverb set- up could do this, but I sure there are some better > ideas suggestions- > > Thanks- > > Mark > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 19:12:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30861; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:11:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:11:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-envelope-info: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:14:40 -0700 Subject: Re: AES loopage/Reverb Freezing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Mark Landman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <365A8044-E226-11D6-91E1-00039375AF3C@sonic.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA30804 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Italo, sounds great- Here's an algorithm suggestion, how about nice massive 'verb into 4 parallel "slow-switched" looping delays (4 to 8 sec with playback speed control), each delay into separate EQ or filter, then out thru 4 channel panning etc… I'm thinking it'd be fun to catch and hold various verb textures, then pitchshift, filter, pan & mix 'em on the fly along with solo material played into the verb… Best- Mark On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 03:30 PM, Italo De Angelis wrote: > I use a couple of looping delay lines after the verb. > The trick is to use a switch with a slow ramp...not to slow...not to > fast...as soon as the sound is in the verb...you hit the switch and the > loops goes on...without attacks captured in it...kind of Sostenuto > pedal in the piano... > > Fun!!! > Italo > > >> On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 01:40 PM, Italo De Angelis wrote: >> >>>> Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? >>> >>> Done that! >>> It's just an old delay trick...not reverb. >>> >> Italo (or anyone else into dsp algorithms)- >> >> >> Can you expand on this, i.e., what would be the block diagram to creat > e >> a nice cavernous reverb that could be "frozen"? Clearly a looping dela > y >> inside a reverb set- > up could do this, but I sure there are some better >> ideas suggestions- >> >> Thanks- >> >> Mark >> >> > > ___________________________________________ > Italo De Angelis > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > italo@eventide.com > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 19:20:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA32045; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:20:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:20:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:20:04 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage/Reverb_Freezing?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.102.61 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id TAA32006 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That IS COOL!!!! Tomorrow I'll try to work on it... Thanks Italo ;-) > Thanks Italo, sounds great- > > Here's an algorithm suggestion, how about nice massive 'verb into 4 > parallel "slow- switched" looping delays (4 to 8 sec with playback speed > control), each delay into separate EQ or filter, then out thru 4 chann el > panning etc… > > I'm thinking it'd be fun to catch and hold various verb textures, then > pitchshift, filter, pan & mix 'em on the fly along with solo material > played into the verb… > > Best- > > Mark > On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 03:30 PM, Italo De Angelis wrote: > > > I use a couple of looping delay lines after the verb. > > The trick is to use a switch with a slow ramp...not to slow...not to > > fast...as soon as the sound is in the verb...you hit the switch and the > > loops goes on...without attacks captured in it...kind of Sostenuto > > pedal in the piano... > > > > Fun!!! > > Italo > > > > > >> On Thursday, October 17, 2002, at 01:40 PM, Italo De Angelis wrote: > >> > >>>> Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? > >>> > >>> Done that! > >>> It's just an old delay trick...not reverb. > >>> > >> Italo (or anyone else into dsp algorithms)- > >> > >> > >> Can you expand on this, i.e., what would be the block diagram to cr eat > > e > >> a nice cavernous reverb that could be "frozen"? Clearly a looping d ela > > y > >> inside a reverb set- > > up could do this, but I sure there are some better > >> ideas suggestions- > >> > >> Thanks- > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Italo De Angelis > > Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division > > italo@eventide.com > > EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ > > > > > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ev From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 22:40:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA15515; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:39:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:39:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 19:37:50 -0700 Message-Id: <200210180237.g9I2bov05600@mail24.bigmailbox.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.54] Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="BBmJFljK0Y0nXZ07vRfqCwUsJ" From: "murkie !" To: murkie@bigheavyworld.com Subject: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut Resent-Message-ID: <8yL0VD.A.FyD.-Q3r9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format... --BBmJFljK0Y0nXZ07vRfqCwUsJ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit New date for postponed gig finally confirmed: Monday, Oct 28th at 8 pm at the Middlebury College Center for the Arts Concert Hall "An Evening of Music with Su Lian Tan, Mark Christensen, Keith Watts and Cyrus Chestnut" Admission is free. 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--BBmJFljK0Y0nXZ07vRfqCwUsJ-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 23:24:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19218; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:21:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:21:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: AKASHMUSIC@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.15d61fc9.2ae0d7f3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:20:19 EDT Subject: AKASH in the Philly Papers +3 New AKASH songs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15e.15d61fc9.2ae0d7f3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10639 Resent-Message-ID: <7y2OHB.A.zrE.V43r9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_15e.15d61fc9.2ae0d7f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, AKASH is listed again in a piece by Music Critic/Columnist/ A.D Amorosi ( Philly Inquirer/Philly Citypaper/ NYC Village Voice) , A.D. Amorosi's gossip column "ICEPACK" mentions AKASH as part of THE PHILADELPHIA CITY PAPER's music/retrospective/chronicle. A.D AMOROSI says this about AKASH's nmew CD Private Sessions: (http://www.citypaper.com) : "The lizard-like Akash kids released Private Sessions, a deep, dark compilation of their three CDs released 1998-2002, as wellas ribald-electro rarities and sleek newbies like Bukkake. Joining singer/lyricistsKali Morgan, Elizabeth, Lorelai and programmer John Price are Elliott Levin, Ed Wilcox and Chuck Duquense. Find this now"! Gosh it is sure nice to be noticed :) (+) Do look for & listen to 3 new AKASH tunes up @ MP3.COM Today - Ck out these links: The Fourth way: ( Experimental Noise meets raw hard funk - free jazz / electronica - in a genre bustin orgy ) recorded live in Brooklyn NYC 2002 Features Elizabeth on Vocals, Charles Duquesne on Drums, Elliott Levin on Tenor Sax, John Price on Guitar/guitar synth and Vocals. http://play.mp3.com/cgi-bin/play/play.cgi/AAIBQqyr KgDABG5vcm1QBAAAAFJYKAMAUQEAAABDnSOvPZSrFgCf8ZmzjJ .JfYQ2rZk-/THE_FOURTH_WAY.m3u A Night To Remember part 2: ( Experimental and Swinging House/spoken word delivered in Braodway vocalizations and off time guitar fills and piano pads, Elizabeth on Vocals, John Price Production, Arrangement, Guitae, Piano, loops. http://play.mp3.com/cgi-bin/play/play.cgi/AAIBQm31 KADABG5vcm1QBAAAAFJYKAMAUQEAAAALAUOdI689J8hZQj4cVs TMIcUfIlCzzQ--/A_NIGHT_TO_REMEMBER_PA.m3u The Army of Mars: Experimental & Pure - Deep Dark Space - Classic AKASH drone, monotonous - repetition; written by & performed by John Price http://play.mp3.com/cgi-bin/play/play.cgi/AAIBQtmr KgDABG5vcm1QBAAAAFJYKAMAUQEAAABDnSOvPd6CiLj_nIXOpJ VvJ07j8MI-/THE_ARMY_OF_MARS.m3u Many Thanks to everyone out there round the world for all of your support for AKASH over the years. Seeya in your hometown soon :) *In the meantime pics and live action video of AKASH in action and various positions are available for free download from our akashmusicnewsgroup accesed via our homepage http://www.akashmusic.com Warmest Regards, John Price/ "AKASH" "The World's Most Erotic Band" http://www.akashmusic.com http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic "REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS" --part1_15e.15d61fc9.2ae0d7f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys,

AKASH is listed again in a piece by Music Critic/Columnist/ A.D Amorosi ( Philly Inquirer/Philly Citypaper/ NYC Village Voice) , A.D.
Amorosi's gossip column "ICEPACK"  mentions AKASH as part of THE PHILADELPHIA CITY PAPER's
music/retrospective/chronicle.

A.D AMOROSI says this about AKASH's nmew CD Private Sessions:
(http://www.citypaper.com) : "The lizard-like Akash kids released
Private Sessions, a deep, dark compilation of their three CDs released
1998-2002, as wellas ribald-electro rarities and sleek newbies like
Bukkake. Joining singer/lyricistsKali Morgan, Elizabeth, Lorelai and
programmer John Price are Elliott Levin, Ed Wilcox and Chuck Duquense.
Find this now"!

Gosh it is sure nice to be noticed :)

(+) Do look for & listen to 3 new AKASH tunes up @ MP3.COM Today - Ck out these links:

The Fourth way: ( Experimental Noise meets raw hard funk - free jazz / electronica - in a genre bustin orgy ) recorded live in Brooklyn NYC
2002
Features Elizabeth on Vocals, Charles Duquesne on Drums, Elliott Levin
on Tenor Sax, John Price on Guitar/guitar synth and Vocals.
http://play.mp3.com/cgi-bin/play/play.cgi/AAIBQqyr
KgDABG5vcm1QBAAAAFJYKAMAUQEAAABDnSOvPZSrFgCf8ZmzjJ
.JfYQ2rZk-/THE_FOURTH_WAY.m3u

A Night To Remember part 2: ( Experimental and Swinging House/spoken word
delivered in Braodway vocalizations and off time guitar fills and
piano pads, Elizabeth on Vocals, John Price Production, Arrangement,
Guitae, Piano, loops.
http://play.mp3.com/cgi-bin/play/play.cgi/AAIBQm31
KADABG5vcm1QBAAAAFJYKAMAUQEAAAALAUOdI689J8hZQj4cVs
TMIcUfIlCzzQ--/A_NIGHT_TO_REMEMBER_PA.m3u

The Army of Mars: Experimental & Pure - Deep Dark Space - Classic AKASH drone, monotonous - repetition; written by & performed by John Price
http://play.mp3.com/cgi-bin/play/play.cgi/AAIBQtmr
KgDABG5vcm1QBAAAAFJYKAMAUQEAAABDnSOvPd6CiLj_nIXOpJ
VvJ07j8MI-/THE_ARMY_OF_MARS.m3u

Many Thanks to everyone out there round the world for all of your support for AKASH over the years.

Seeya in your hometown soon :)

*In the meantime pics and live action video of AKASH in action and various positions are available for free download from our akashmusicnewsgroup accesed via our homepage http://www.akashmusic.com

Warmest Regards,
John Price/ "AKASH"
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
"REMEMBER TO ALWAYS KILL YOUR EXPECTATIONS"
--part1_15e.15d61fc9.2ae0d7f3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 23:33:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19737; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:30:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:30:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <39.2eaf6f9f.2ae0da3d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:30:05 EDT Subject: DreamLand cd spam To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Just like to let everybody know that ambient/experimental group DreamLand's "Underwater" cd is for sale at: http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland. Please feel free to contact me with any questions. Thanks, James H. Sidlo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 17 23:57:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20949; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:54:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:54:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <71.2789f9e2.2ae0dfb6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:53:26 EDT Subject: Re: DreamLand cd spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.2789f9e2.2ae0dfb6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <3P4q4.A.LHF.bX4r9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_71.2789f9e2.2ae0dfb6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/17/02 11:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: > http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland">http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland. > james.....i go there and get a "sorry baby".....michael --part1_71.2789f9e2.2ae0dfb6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/17/02 11:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:


http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland">http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland.


james.....i go there and get a "sorry baby".....michael
--part1_71.2789f9e2.2ae0dfb6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 00:34:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA24493; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:34:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:34:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001c01c27660$c49c22a0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: References: <006001c275f9$e5436160$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: MIDI looping Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:42:30 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Wright" To: Sent: Thursday, 17 October, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Re: MIDI looping > thanks also to tim. i'm just about to try it out. > i too am impressed with the calibre of posts/people on this list. btw, are > there any loopers in the hamilton/toronto area of ontario? > rob Hi Rob, Planet Of The Loops is a Toronto based collective organised by Andrew Aldridge. http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html They perform bi-monthly at The Ambient Ping. I'd estimate that 75% or more of the performers at The Ambient Ping are loopers. I first saw next week's performers, Hoshi & Chie, playing in the subway with sitar into battery powered f/x pedals and Line 6 DL4 looper with didgeridoo - wicked. Stop by - it's free. http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com I know that these shows will also have significant looping content: November 12th - James Johnson with dreamSTATE and Wally Jericho November 19th - Anomalous Disturbances November 26th - SYLKEN December 3rd - dreamSTATE with Susanna Hood December 10th - SOFTWARE December 17th - Ben Grossman with Pype Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 02:01:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA31187; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:01:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:01:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018000303.008cf240@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:03:03 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, a while back the topic had come up about mini disc recorders, and mini hard disc recorders for playing and recording mp3s or uncompressed audio in the field. The two hd recorders I remember being mentioned were the Archos Jukebox and the Nomad 3. I checked a few specs in a store this evening, and though I seem to remember that it was mentioned that the Archos could record in uncompressed (16 bit, 44.1 Khz) .wav format, it doesn't list that as one of it's formats. The Nomad on the other hand, does list .wav as a format, but doesn't list any more specs on it. This is precisely what I'm looking for, and any info or suggestions anyone might have on either of these or others, or MDRs as well, would be greatly appreciated. If possible, a windows explorer type interface when dealing with the pc would also be great as I'm not sure if the Nomad acts like another hd when interfaced with the pc for file transfer. The Archos apparently does. anyway, as I said, any help at all would be absolutely AWESOME! Thanks soooo much! Have a great evening!... Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 02:30:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA00767; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:29:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:29:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:29:40 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: DreamLand cd spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a801c2766f$bd228a00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mdNRuESwswxerqejFdWf8A)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <71.2789f9e2.2ae0dfb6@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_mdNRuESwswxerqejFdWf8A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Bad link! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: DreamLand cd spam In a message dated 10/17/02 11:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland">http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland. james.....i go there and get a "sorry baby".....michael --Boundary_(ID_mdNRuESwswxerqejFdWf8A) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Bad link!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: DreamLand cd spam

In a message dated 10/17/02 11:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:


http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland">http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland.


james.....i go there and get a "sorry baby".....michael
--Boundary_(ID_mdNRuESwswxerqejFdWf8A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 02:50:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02187; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:49:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:49:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: DreamLand cd spam Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:48:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c27672$74b0fa60$add6f343@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00a801c2766f$bd228a00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/dreamland I'm a hero! Also note that I have changed the format of this message to plain text, just the way Mr. Kim likes it . . . Gary PS Ain't played much music in a while, but I hang on every word on this list . . . G -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DreamLand cd spam Bad link! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: DreamLand cd spam In a message dated 10/17/02 11:30:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland">http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland. james.....i go there and get a "sorry baby".....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 03:26:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04849; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:22:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:22:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:21:53 +0100 Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself From: Victor Nicholls To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA04803 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Carsten Wegener said: > After five years of playing the same 60, simple folktunes/songs with just > my good, old doublebass (and still finding new approach in a very detailed > way of looking),I now come the point to have the freedom to really work on > my performance. What i want to sayis this: The more complex the music your > playing and the techniques you are using, the longer it will take to become > a good musician and performer in the same time. For me the consequence will > be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I believe this way I´ll naturally > find an more audience-friendly way to perform my looping. I think this is interesting. I only really started to tour reasonable sized venues around Europe with a seven-piece jazz-folk band playing complicated stuff in odd time signatures (5/4, 7/8 etc). It was where I had to learn about stagecraft at the next level from pubs/college clubs. I dont remember having to concentrate on getting the music right being a problem, ; all down to being rehearsed properly. I do agree that having a complex set up can get in the way. One reason why i'm reluctant to take out my rack is the fact that it can look cluttered, and because I haven't found my own way to make this interesting visually. Therefore, the DL4 gets more use than the JamMan/RDS. I'd love to know how other people have found a way to incorporate their gear into their performance in a way that looks interesting to the audience. v From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 03:47:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06223; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:44:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:44:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c2767a$fcfe3100$bed1bc3f@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018000303.008cf240@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 02:50:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.nomadworld.com/products/jukebox3/specs.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders > Hi All, a while back the topic had come up about mini disc recorders, and > mini hard disc recorders for playing and recording mp3s or uncompressed > audio in the field. The two hd recorders I remember being mentioned were > the Archos Jukebox and the Nomad 3. I checked a few specs in a store this > evening, and though I seem to remember that it was mentioned that the > Archos could record in uncompressed (16 bit, 44.1 Khz) .wav format, it > doesn't list that as one of it's formats. The Nomad on the other hand, > does list .wav as a format, but doesn't list any more specs on it. This is > precisely what I'm looking for, and any info or suggestions anyone might > have on either of these or others, or MDRs as well, would be greatly > appreciated. If possible, a windows explorer type interface when dealing > with the pc would also be great as I'm not sure if the Nomad acts like > another hd when interfaced with the pc for file transfer. The Archos > apparently does. > anyway, as I said, any help at all would be absolutely AWESOME! Thanks > soooo much! Have a great evening!... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 03:51:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06429; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001d01c2767a$f6f78720$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <200210180237.g9I2bov05600@mail24.bigmailbox.com> Subject: Re: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:50:00 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C27683.57AF6120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C27683.57AF6120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, but shame on you for using mail with a popup in it. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: murkie !=20 To: murkie@bigheavyworld.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 03:37:AM Subject: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut New date for postponed gig finally confirmed: Monday, Oct 28th at 8 pm at the Middlebury College Center for the Arts = Concert=20 Hall "An Evening of Music with Su Lian Tan, Mark Christensen, Keith Watts and = Cyrus=20 Chestnut" Admission is free. 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From:=20 murkie !
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002=20 03:37:AM
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New date for postponed gig finally confirmed:

Monday, Oct 28th at 8 pm at the Middlebury College Center for the Arts =
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C27683.57AF6120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 04:38:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10535; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:35:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:35:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: making a spectacle of yourself Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:34:26 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000b01c27681$2aea4490$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id EAA10476 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Victor Nicholls [mailto:victornicholls@mac.com] > One reason why i'm reluctant to take out my rack is the fact > that it can look cluttered, and because I haven't found my > own way to make this interesting visually. Therefore, the DL4 > gets more use than the JamMan/RDS. I'd love to know how other > people have found a way to incorporate their gear into their > performance in a way that looks interesting to the audience. > > v Very interesting and important issue IMO! When I started doing gigs with non-repeating improvised music back in -83 I was surprised that people could really appreciated the unfamiliar, and for some really strange sounding, music. Now I believe that it's the setting and the atmosphere by which your performance is presented that actually makes it possible for most listeners to take it all in. No matter how good you are or how inspired the gig turns out - if the setting is wrong only a few among the audience will be getting it. I've experienced this many times both from the stage and from being in the audience. Ten years later I suddenly lost most "performer spirit" after having focused on recordings for some years. I found myself thinking that the whole situation of standing on a stage making music was unnatural and even ridiculous ;-) I mean, why should I be doing this? Why making these sounds? What are they thinking out there when they are looking at me on this stage..? Well, you get the picture. Anyway, then I got into a hit music oriented artist project, signed up with a major record label and started making videos and doing telly shows. As for "artist development" we were working hard on improving the "performance" on top of the "music". This experience once again opened me up for the simple fact that "what you feel when you do perform does NOT have to be what the audience are taking in". Actually I got so inspired with making music again that I started to hate being in a commercial genre that leaves very little time for playing live and exploring new musical worlds. So off I went ;-) Lately I've been doing a lot of speaking at seminars and I have found that it's almost the same thing as doing a musical gig. To succeed you have to (1) make sure the setting is right, (2) know your shit, (2) do your thing, (3) be prepared to change direction completely on any moment of the show. Then you go with the flow and you just can't go wrong :-) Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 05:04:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA13390; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018030540.008d7100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:05:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id FAA13367 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -Just my thoughts, but I think most people will tend to find the actual performer(s) and what they're playing/doing on stage to be most interesting rather than their gear. -and for performers who tend to improvise rather than rehearse, the complexity factor mentioned, at the expense of performer/audience interaction never really goes away in my opinion, (I personally don't view these ideas as mutually exclusive, they're one in the same...) so one might need to bring the two together in a performance, and keep engaging the audience while working with gear and improvising at the same time. -just a little multi-tasking, that's all... Remember, the audience doesn't know what you're going to do usually, so you're as free as any other time, when improvising to let ideas move you, and then deal with their results on the fly, creatively. So, by settling into that free aspect of the performance, you can more freely engage the audience as well. The same idea of creativity in working with results is really important when playing rehearsed material also. If you miss a note, you can thencreatively work with it, if something wonderful happens, you can creatively work with it, if something bad happens, you can and may probably need to, lol! creatively work with it. If you bring the audience into that process itself, as a part of it, it can enhance not only the audience's experience with you as a performer, but your experience with not only the audience, but the performance itself... Obviously, the "cool" factor is way important too. lol! Of course, when I use something neat like the DBeam controller to pitch a Repeater loop, or improvise dance or movement to music, it's fun and important, and involves the audience more. The performance is an experience for everyone, the audience and the performer... Smiles, CQ At 08:21 AM 10/18/02 +0100, you wrote: >Carsten Wegener said: > >> After five years of playing the same 60, simple folktunes/songs with just >> my good, old doublebass (and still finding new approach in a very detailed >> way of looking),I now come the point to have the freedom to really work on >> my performance. What i want to sayis this: The more complex the music your >> playing and the techniques you are using, the longer it will take to become >> a good musician and performer in the same time. For me the consequence will >> be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I believe this way I´ll naturally >> find an more audience-friendly way to perform my looping. > > >I think this is interesting. I only really started to tour reasonable sized >venues around Europe with a seven-piece jazz-folk band playing complicated >stuff in odd time signatures (5/4, 7/8 etc). It was where I had to learn >about stagecraft at the next level from pubs/college clubs. I dont remember >having to concentrate on getting the music right being a problem, ; all down >to being rehearsed properly. > >I do agree that having a complex set up can get in the way. One reason why >i'm reluctant to take out my rack is the fact that it can look cluttered, >and because I haven't found my own way to make this interesting visually. >Therefore, the DL4 gets more use than the JamMan/RDS. I'd love to know how >other people have found a way to incorporate their gear into their >performance in a way that looks interesting to the audience. > >v > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 05:11:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA14131; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:11:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:11:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018031255.00a0e9b0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:12:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders In-Reply-To: <001501c2767a$fcfe3100$bed1bc3f@hppav> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018000303.008cf240@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com rick, thanks for the link, but it actually doesn't give any more detail than what was on the box, so I'm curious, if you own this if you might comment a little on your uses if you would. If not, thanks anyway, and have a great night, K? Smiles, CQ At 02:50 AM 10/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >http://www.nomadworld.com/products/jukebox3/specs.asp > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:03 AM >Subject: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders > > >> Hi All, a while back the topic had come up about mini disc recorders, >and >> mini hard disc recorders for playing and recording mp3s or uncompressed >> audio in the field. The two hd recorders I remember being mentioned were >> the Archos Jukebox and the Nomad 3. I checked a few specs in a store >this >> evening, and though I seem to remember that it was mentioned that the >> Archos could record in uncompressed (16 bit, 44.1 Khz) .wav format, it >> doesn't list that as one of it's formats. The Nomad on the other hand, >> does list .wav as a format, but doesn't list any more specs on it. This >is >> precisely what I'm looking for, and any info or suggestions anyone might >> have on either of these or others, or MDRs as well, would be greatly >> appreciated. If possible, a windows explorer type interface when dealing >> with the pc would also be great as I'm not sure if the Nomad acts like >> another hd when interfaced with the pc for file transfer. The Archos >> apparently does. >> anyway, as I said, any help at all would be absolutely AWESOME! Thanks >> soooo much! Have a great evening!... >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 05:56:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17008; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018030540.008d7100@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:03:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2002 09:53:11.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B1969E0:01C2768C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Performance, and "the live show" are to me an important part of the whole gig experience. In many ways this is why I have still got some problems with DJ's (are they musicians or no). And as many have said during this thread, we as looping/technological musicians can have the same problem. As Goddess says, few people are actually that interested in the "gear" being used or how the music is even being made, (most of us on the list are probably exceptions tho, I am guessing here, but would wager that you are all like me and make your way to the front to see what those flashing lights in the rack are, rather that look at the performers) Part of me wants to say that as performers, we should all care about how we look live (not in a crass, clothes, hairstyles and rock n roll stance aspect) but in the general ambience of the performance. I myself am very boring to look at live, however I try to compensate by having video projections (actually they are tiny interactive movies (animations, text, quicktime vignettes) all triggered by a flash interface that my lighting guy can "play" in time with the music. Last night I went to see Coil live in Oslo, this would have been most dull (couple of synth players and a computer) if it wasnt for the bizarre ritualistic "goings-on" that was happening all around the place... However I must say that I have seen alot of laptop electronica recently (very big scene here in Norway) and have found it refreshing in its simplicity, and honesty. One geeky guy sat behind a G4 is not much to look at but have found in these occasions that the audience has sat back in silence and "just listened", giving an almost classical concert feel to the proceedings!!! Still tho... the old punk in me wonders if dem kids nowadays are missing sommat by not pogoing wildly to the Clash! I gues thats why they invented Linkin Park et al??? Mark __________________ mark red www.mark-red.com mark@mark-red.com __________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 08:12:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27234; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:11:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:11:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:11:07 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DreamLand "Underwater"/cdbaby link correction MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <203D5ECD.6587686A.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've just tested it out: http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland. Please let me know if you have anymore problems. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 08:53:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29693; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:52:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:52:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c27672$9b73c4c0$c9c41ed9@oemcomputer> From: "Bruce Comens" To: References: Subject: Re: AES loopage Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:47:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks, Italo. I'm familiar with the Eclipse manual and the general info you mention: I tried an Eclipse (actually 2 of them) for nearly 2 months when they first came out, and returned it because it didn't do enough of the things I wanted and I kept finding bugs. I was wanting to know what specific new features had been built into the new operating system relating to looping, reverb etc... ..and that doesn't seem to be on the website. > > Which of the looping features you list will be in the Eclipse? > > The Eclipse has some of the looping features of Orville...not all: 40 > sec delay, probably TimePitch. reverse delays/looping. > No samplers. > No 4 minute,20 sec memory. > No open platform. > > You could get deeper info by getting the manuals here: > www.eventide.com > > > Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? > > Done that! > It's just an old delay trick...not reverb. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 09:27:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00548; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:24:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:24:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:23:58 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003e01c276a9$9f5e4060$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ictdx4Q/R+aAZoJvrtk85g)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200210180237.g9I2bov05600@mail24.bigmailbox.com> <001d01c2767a$f6f78720$0201a8c0@eluk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ictdx4Q/R+aAZoJvrtk85g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT And mega-shame for not posting the city or country! * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: S.P. Goodman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 3:50 AM Subject: Re: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut Yeah, but shame on you for using mail with a popup in it. ----- Original Message ----- From: murkie ! To: murkie@bigheavyworld.com Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 03:37:AM Subject: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut New date for postponed gig finally confirmed: Monday, Oct 28th at 8 pm at the Middlebury College Center for the Arts Concert Hall "An Evening of Music with Su Lian Tan, Mark Christensen, Keith Watts and Cyrus Chestnut" Admission is free. Hope to see you there! ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Big Heavy World at http://www.bigheavyworld.com, Vermont's music 24/7. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. 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Yeah, but shame on you for using mail with a popup in it.
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Subject: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut

New date for postponed gig finally confirmed:

Monday, Oct 28th at 8 pm at the Middlebury College Center for the Arts Concert 
Hall

"An Evening of Music with Su Lian Tan, Mark Christensen, Keith Watts and Cyrus 
Chestnut"

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--Boundary_(ID_ictdx4Q/R+aAZoJvrtk85g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 09:40:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02472; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:37:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018133701.43418.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021018030540.008d7100@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi CQ, sounds interesting! Can you develop more on this? what is a D beam and how do you manipulate the loops? Thanx louie Of course, when I use something neat like the DBeam > controller to pitch a > Repeater loop, or improvise dance or movement to > music, it's fun and > important, and involves the audience more. The > performance is an > experience for everyone, the audience and the > performer... > > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 08:21 AM 10/18/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Carsten Wegener said: > > > >> After five years of playing the same 60, simple > folktunes/songs with just > >> my good, old doublebass (and still finding new > approach in a very detailed > >> way of looking),I now come the point to have the > freedom to really work on > >> my performance. What i want to sayis this: The > more complex the music your > >> playing and the techniques you are using, the > longer it will take to become > >> a good musician and performer in the same time. > For me the consequence will > >> be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I > believe this way I´ll naturally > >> find an more audience-friendly way to perform my > looping. > > > > > >I think this is interesting. I only really started > to tour reasonable sized > >venues around Europe with a seven-piece jazz-folk > band playing complicated > >stuff in odd time signatures (5/4, 7/8 etc). It was > where I had to learn > >about stagecraft at the next level from > pubs/college clubs. I dont remember > >having to concentrate on getting the music right > being a problem, ; all down > >to being rehearsed properly. > > > >I do agree that having a complex set up can get in > the way. One reason why > >i'm reluctant to take out my rack is the fact that > it can look cluttered, > >and because I haven't found my own way to make this > interesting visually. > >Therefore, the DL4 gets more use than the > JamMan/RDS. I'd love to know how > >other people have found a way to incorporate their > gear into their > >performance in a way that looks interesting to the > audience. > > > >v > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are > love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 10:14:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04983; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:09:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:09:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:22:24 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.103.162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA04933 Resent-Message-ID: <3slw9.A.aNB.aXBs9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bruce MANY changes have been brought to Eclipse since the days you tried it, when it came out. Today, after 4 OS releases, the machine is VERY stable; bugs have been killed without mercy... We have added new algorithms and lots of new presets. As far as looping: Eclipse is a dual engine FX processor; each engine has 20 sec delay that can be used for delay looping algorithms (mono or stereo), reverse delay looping (mono or stereo). We will probably add our new PitchTime to the arsenal: it allows multivoice delay/pitch shifter (max 16sec) whose content can be read at variable speeds (from 1% to 300% of its duration)without or with pitch shifting, in real time. These algorithms can be obviously combined with fx processing tasks, pre or post loop. Italo > Thanks, Italo. I'm familiar with the Eclipse manual and the general i nfo > you mention: I tried an Eclipse (actually 2 of them) for nearly 2 mon ths > when they first came out, and returned it because it didn't do enough of the > things I wanted and I kept finding bugs. I was wanting to know what > specific new features had been built into the new operating system rel ating > to looping, reverb etc... ..and that doesn't seem to be on the website . > > > > Which of the looping features you list will be in the Eclipse? > > > > The Eclipse has some of the looping features of Orville...not all: 4 0 > > sec delay, probably TimePitch. reverse delays/looping. > > No samplers. > > No 4 minute,20 sec memory. > > No open platform. > > > > You could get deeper info by getting the manuals here: > > www.eventide.com > > > > > > Will you also be able to "freeze" reverbs (as on the pcm81)? > > > > Done that! > > It's just an old delay trick...not reverb. > > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 10:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05510; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:17:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:17:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:18:43 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Dreamland "Underwater" review spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0EA2F4B1.11A3127E.0017F279@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody, I've just posted some reviews of DreamLand "Underwater" (www.unclebuzz.com) on: http://www.cdbaby.com/dreamland. Thanks, James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 10:22:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05834; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:21:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:21:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018142020.30664.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0500 Subject: Feedback on the FCB 1010 X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-4.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To all and any concerned, Here's the rather lenghty and detailed response I got from the support people involved with the FCB 1010. It looks good for my intents and purposes. I hope this is useful to others interested in the unit. michael b  InBox •  Send Email •  Address Book •  Folders •  Check Other Email •  Options    Reply   Reply All   Forward   Download   Delete   Move   All headers    Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:29:01 +0200 From: Support UK  [add to address book] [add to spam block list] Subject: FCB1010 - switches & power supply.  To: "'michaelbassett@angelfire.com'"    Hello Michael, Thanks for the info on the Echoplex - this is just the ticket for effective support work. so - here are some (positive) answers..... I'd like to use one pedal to "talk" to all the units - INDEPENDENTLY. yes ! this is possible. Assign a separate MIDI channel to each unit. eg. Boss SE-50 on channel 1 : Lexicon on Channel 2 : Echoplex on Channel 3. On power up, enter the "global" menu of the FCB1010 and assign the respective MIDI channels to the desired MIDI functions (eg program change #2 on MIDI channel 2, MIDI note on channel 3) ) I would like to send program change messages to the SE-50 and Jam-Man from one series of pedals, and from a different series of pedals (maybe programmed on a different bank) send momentary messages to the Echoplex. Is this possible? Yes - but not quite in the manner you might have conceived it. To achieve this you will also need to program some presets (say for argument's sake - preset numbers 1 to 10). thit means :- Bank 00, pedals 1 - 3. You can program these "patches" to send specific values for program change #1 on channel 1, and or for program #2 on channel 2. Program changes #3 - #5 remain inactive in all patches. (i.e. nothing happens to the other units when you switch these pedals - although here it would also be possible to "combine" changes in various units in one "patch" if you felt it to be necessary !!) Bank 00, pedals 4 - 00 (10) You can program these to send no program changes whatsoever (this is also possible) - but instead to send various "note #" messages on channel 3 (as programmed in the global setup). The only minor limitation here is, the note on messages from the FCB1010 always have the velocity value 64 (this is default and can't be changed - but it won't affect it's use with the echoplex) The MIDI note function operates as follows :- On pressing the switch - the FCB1010 sends the "note on" command with vel = 64. This should (will) start the record function of the Echoplex. On releasing the switch - the FCB1010 sends the "note off" command (which is indeed "note on" with vel. 0) - This should (will) stop the record function of the Echoplex. For these presets, you can also program them to set or toggle between two values for a particular a controller number, or use the expression pedals to effect continuous controller changes... which means that (although I can't yet confirm this) - you should be able to influence the record & playback speed in the Echoplex using the expression pedals, or even set these to pre-calculated values using the controller changes !! The FCB1010 has 2x 1/4" TRS sockets - each of which has a relay-operated switch. This is a latching switch, which closes "tip" to "ring" and enables thereby 2 stati (per switch). This is intended for "channel switching" purposes (for those devices which are suitably equipped) - which is normally achieved via a voltage (when switch open - voltage = 5 V / channel 1 active : when switch closed, voltage = 0V / channel 2 active........or similar). If this does not work immediately with your particular equipment, please let us know more about the spec. of the unit and we'll see if we can work out a solution. You can programm the "stati" of these switches for each individual preset. You can also (in direct select mode) use the bank up & bank down switches to manually change the stati (although this does sacrificie the flexibility of being able to initiate bank changes - in this mode each patch is recalled by it's "full name" eg "0 4". The FCB1010 will allow you 10 banks of 10 switches - which should give you sufficient flexibility to use successfully in most applications - including with the Echoplex (to which I shall personally be paying closer attention in the near future...............) hope this info is all OK Best regards Andy Cullen -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 10:50:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07552; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:48:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:48:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: AES loopage Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:48:10 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001701c276b5$6103c3b0$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA07506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Italo De Angelis [mailto:italoop@libero.it] > delay looping (mono or stereo). We will probably add our new > PitchTime > to the arsenal: it allows multivoice delay/pitch shifter (max 16sec) > whose content can be read at variable speeds (from 1% to 300% of its > duration)without or with pitch shifting, in real time. Interesting. Can you set the timing of effects (delay time etc) to follow midi clock? Best wishes Per Boysen ________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 10:51:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08015; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:50:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:50:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:49:59 -0700 Message-Id: <200210181449.g9IEnxk28784@mail17.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [140.233.70.54] From: "murkie !" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: mchriste@middlebury.edu Subject: RE: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut Resent-Message-ID: <8J33ND.A.K6B.6-Bs9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com okay guys, my bad re: the lack of location info. it was late & looper's-d is just about the only non-locals on my list. it's the Middlebury College Center for the Arts Concert Hall in Middlebury, VT. re: the pop-up - this is a surprise to me. i've never seen anything when i copy in my work account. steve, could you tell me (privately) what the p.u. was and i can try to figure out how to make it go away. sorry for the annoyance. m.c. >-----Original Message----- >From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] >Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:24 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut > > >And mega-shame for not posting the city or country! > >* David Beardsley >* http://biink.com >* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley > >----- Original Message ----- >From: S.P. Goodman >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 3:50 AM >Subject: Re: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut > >Yeah, but shame on you for using mail with a popup in it. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: murkie ! >To: murkie@bigheavyworld.com >Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 03:37:AM >Subject: new date for Christensen/Watts/Tan/Chestnut > >New date for postponed gig finally confirmed: >Monday, Oct 28th at 8 pm at the Middlebury College Center for the Arts >Concert > >Hall >"An Evening of Music with Su Lian Tan, Mark Christensen, Keith Watts and >Cyrus > >Chestnut" >Admission is free. Hope to see you there! ------------------------------------------------------------ Visit Big Heavy World at http://www.bigheavyworld.com, Vermont's music 24/7. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 10:57:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08732; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:57:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:57:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:57:08 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_SV:_AES_loopage?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Italo_De_Angelis?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Loopers-Delight?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R24 (B46) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 151.30.103.162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA08708 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com YES! Italo > > Från: Italo De Angelis [mailto:italoop@libero.it] > > > delay looping (mono or stereo). We will probably add our new > > PitchTime > > to the arsenal: it allows multivoice delay/pitch shifter (max 16sec) > > whose content can be read at variable speeds (from 1% to 300% of its > > duration)without or with pitch shifting, in real time. > > Interesting. Can you set the timing of effects (delay time etc) to > follow midi clock? > > Best wishes > > Per Boysen > ________________ > www.boysen.se > www.fuzz.se > www.upsweden.com > > ___________________________________________ Italo De Angelis Preset Design Engineer - Audio Division italo@eventide.com EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eventidehelps/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 11:04:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10646; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:03:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:03:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: SV: AES loopage Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:01:44 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001801c276b7$46135500$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > YES! > > Italo Wo-hoo!!!! What cool things you could do with it... whish I had the money ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 12:14:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15662; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:13:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:13:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018161238.77786.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021018031255.00a0e9b0@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com G Girl, This may be bigger and more expensive than you want, but they will yield high quality (up to 24bit) recordings in the field: http://www.sonicsense.com/sncrdr.htm http://www.sonicsense.com/10myths.htm http://www.sonicsense.com/24storys.htm bret --- Goddess wrote: > rick, thanks for the link, but it actually doesn't give any more > detail > than what was on the box, so I'm curious, if you own this if you > might > comment a little on your uses if you would. If not, thanks anyway, > and > have a great night, K? > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 02:50 AM 10/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >http://www.nomadworld.com/products/jukebox3/specs.asp > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Goddess" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:03 AM > >Subject: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders > > > > > >> Hi All, a while back the topic had come up about mini disc > recorders, > >and > >> mini hard disc recorders for playing and recording mp3s or > uncompressed > >> audio in the field. The two hd recorders I remember being > mentioned were > >> the Archos Jukebox and the Nomad 3. I checked a few specs in a > store > >this > >> evening, and though I seem to remember that it was mentioned that > the > >> Archos could record in uncompressed (16 bit, 44.1 Khz) .wav > format, it > >> doesn't list that as one of it's formats. The Nomad on the other > hand, > >> does list .wav as a format, but doesn't list any more specs on it. > This > >is > >> precisely what I'm looking for, and any info or suggestions > anyone might > >> have on either of these or others, or MDRs as well, would be > greatly > >> appreciated. If possible, a windows explorer type interface when > dealing > >> with the pc would also be great as I'm not sure if the Nomad acts > like > >> another hd when interfaced with the pc for file transfer. The > Archos > >> apparently does. > >> anyway, as I said, any help at all would be absolutely AWESOME! > Thanks > >> soooo much! Have a great evening!... > >> > >> Smiles, > >> > >> CQ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 13:18:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21160; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:17:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:17:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018171645.63133.qmail@web10107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:16:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Repeater ambient and glitching To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00fa01c270a3$52842f90$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopsters, I have uploaded a file to the loopmusic yahoo group that demonstrates Goddess creating an ambient loop, and then glitching it. Some folks have said that the repeater is not suitable for these 2 tasks, but Goddess shows it can be done (she is a goddess after all). The recording URL is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/files/Goddess%207%20Glitch.mp3 Otherwise, The filename is 'Goddess 7 Glitch' at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/files/ I believe you have to be a member of the yahoo group to download the file. If any of you know how I can change this to make it open to the public for download, please advise (I have searched in vain to see how to do this). bret __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 13:30:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21902; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:27:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:27:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018172708.96582.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Subject: Re: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021018000303.008cf240@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com afaik, the Archos does not record to .wav. The problem with the Nomad 3 has been that there are no recording level controls...until recently. Creative recently released firmware upgrade that gives you: "Enhanced Recording Features - Audio Monitoring for Line-In and Optical-In - Stereo Recording Level Meter - Recording Level Adjustment" Amazon sells the 20GB version for about $330, and the 40GB for ~ $500...and you can get 'after market' 60GB versions on ebay. I've been toying with getting one of these for a while now, but have held off because of the lack of recording meters, but now that that has changed....hmmmm. Apparently the "3" version has fixed a bunch of problems in earlier versions, and has pretty good audio specs. If you do a search on groups.google.com for 'nomad jukebox 3 recording' there are a couple of good threads about this beast in rec.audio.pro. It looks like the software shipped with the unit does *not* give you a standard filesystem view, and is said to be repleat with adware and even spyware(!). Apparently the shareware 'notmad' at http://www.redchairsoftware.com solves these problems. Note that there is no mic preamp in the unit, only optical and analog line in. I'd like to hear other's experiences recording with this dealybob! Stephen --- Goddess wrote: > Hi All, a while back the topic had come up about > mini disc recorders, and > mini hard disc recorders for playing and recording > mp3s or uncompressed > audio in the field. The two hd recorders I remember > being mentioned were > the Archos Jukebox and the Nomad 3 ===== Stephen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 14:49:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28639; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:48:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:48:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [65.92.17.33] From: "R Ferguson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Midi Looping Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:47:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2002 18:47:21.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA6327D0:01C276D6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm in the Hamilton area... Waterdown to be exact... Bests, Ryan >thanks also to tim. i'm just about to try it out. >i too am impressed with the calibre of posts/people on this list. btw, >are >there any loopers in the hamilton/toronto area of ontario? >rob _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 14:59:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29275; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:52:23 -0700 Subject: OT: Gig Spam-Mike Keneally Tomorrow Night at GAMH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021018172708.96582.qmail@web13310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a reminder for what should be a smashing show. Mike Keneally Band on a triple bill along with Palace Of Love (with Henry Kaiser, Chris Cutler, Michael Manring, Mike Keneally, Chris Muir, Lukas Ligeti and Damon Smith) and Telepathy opening Saturday, October 19, 2002 Great American Music Hall 859 O'Farrell Street San Francisco, CA 94109 Doors 8:00 PM Telepathy starts at 8:30 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 16:44:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05964; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:42:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:42:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018204159.52143.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:59 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: re: Feedback on the FCB 1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, I was wrong. I WAS WRONG!!! The FCB1010 can support multiple midi channels at once. There goes my record of infallibility... I apologize to anyone I misled or confused. I'll comment that for my purposes, the implementation is not useful though. The 1010 has two pedals capable of sending cc commands. The Repeater has many features which require cc, and my effects box uses only cc. I would need to dedicate of the the 1010 expression pedals to one box, in all 10 banks, which isn't practical for me. I can imagine that for changing two devices simultaneously it could be good. One of the reasons I'm pursuing a dedicated midi cc controller... Time to eat some crow, Steve Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0500 From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Feedback on the FCB 1010 To all and any concerned, Here's the rather lenghty and detailed response I got from the support people involved with the FCB 1010. It looks good for my intents and purposes. I hope this is useful to others interested in the unit. .... __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 16:49:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06567; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:48:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:48:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018204806.97351.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:48:06 -0700 (PDT) From: SRice Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...This is the other reason I'm seeking a hand held midi controller. In my limited looping performances, I've found myself isolated from the audience by all the hardware. Having a controller with which I could move around is one way of fixing this. Also I've tried to drape a colorful cloth over the back of the rig to hide it. Heat could be a problem doing this though. Yours in rhythm, Steve Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:05:40 -0600 From: "Goddess" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself -Just my thoughts, but I think most people will tend to find the actual performer(s) and what they're playing/doing on stage to be most interesting rather than their gear. -and for performers who tend to __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 17:30:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10850; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:27:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:27:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018152905.008f8340@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:29:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: re: Feedback on the FCB 1010 In-Reply-To: <20021018204159.52143.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com *laughing* Jeez Steve, if yer' wrong about this, you could be wrong about my so-called aversion to hot water, couldn't you?!!! hmmm?... lollollol! Have an awesome day, and don't eat too much crow, it can give ya an upset stomache. lol! Smiles, CQ At 01:41 PM 10/18/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Ok, I was wrong. I WAS WRONG!!! The FCB1010 can support >multiple midi channels at once. There goes my record of >infallibility... > >I apologize to anyone I misled or confused. > >I'll comment that for my purposes, the implementation is not >useful though. The 1010 has two pedals capable of sending cc >commands. The Repeater has many features which require cc, and > >my effects box uses only cc. I would need to dedicate of the >the 1010 expression pedals to one box, in all 10 banks, which >isn't practical for me. I can imagine that for changing two >devices simultaneously it could be good. > >One of the reasons I'm pursuing a dedicated midi >cc controller... > > >Time to eat some crow, >Steve > > > >Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0500 >From: "michael b" >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Feedback on the FCB 1010 > > >To all and any concerned, > >Here's the rather lenghty and detailed response I got from the >support people involved >with the FCB 1010. It looks good for my intents and purposes. > >I hope this is useful to >others interested in the unit. > >.... > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 18:00:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12686; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:56:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:56:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018155818.008fba50@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:58:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself In-Reply-To: <20021018133701.43418.qmail@web40510.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018030540.008d7100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id RAA12655 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louie, the DBeam is an ir midi controller found on some Roland products and supposedly, lately available by itself as well. The MC-505 which I use, has one which I use to send midi note messages to pitch loops I've created with the Repeater. So, I can create a loop, and then use the DBeam to play a theremin-like solo with the loop itself as the changing and evolving tone. Does this make sense? When one moves their hand or any body part over the controller along the ir beam itself, midi messages are sent based on your position in the beam. So, if you move your hand along the beam, the midi messages will change accordingly. You can also set the DBeam to send notes within a given scale or key, and target it's range to make it very easy and intuitive to work with. In this way, you can then send pitch data to the Repeater, and modulate a loop's pitch within a scale to play a solo with it while it loops or is even being recorded. It's pretty amazing, and lots of fun! You might want to also see Rick Walker's recent review of the First Women's Looping Festival where he mentiones it. If I get a minute this weekend, I'll post a sample mp3 to Bret's Loop Music group files section of me doing this for the First Women's Looping Festival. Oh, on the subject of the files section, Bret, make me a list mod, and I can open the files section to non-members. -Or, if you feel adventurous, I believe it's under the settings link for the list. anyway, Louie, thanks for the interest. If you like this sort of thing, you might want to search on DBeam, and I'll also look up the name of the company who makes it and post that to the list, K? Have an awesome day!... Smiles, CQ At 06:37 AM 10/18/02 -0700, you wrote: > > Hi CQ, >sounds interesting! >Can you develop more on this? what is a D beam and how >do you manipulate the loops? >Thanx >louie > > > > > > > > > > > >Of course, when I use something neat like the DBeam >> controller to pitch a >> Repeater loop, or improvise dance or movement to >> music, it's fun and >> important, and involves the audience more. The >> performance is an >> experience for everyone, the audience and the >> performer... >> >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 08:21 AM 10/18/02 +0100, you wrote: >> >Carsten Wegener said: >> > >> >> After five years of playing the same 60, simple >> folktunes/songs with just >> >> my good, old doublebass (and still finding new >> approach in a very detailed >> >> way of looking),I now come the point to have the >> freedom to really work on >> >> my performance. What i want to sayis this: The >> more complex the music your >> >> playing and the techniques you are using, the >> longer it will take to become >> >> a good musician and performer in the same time. >> For me the consequence will >> >> be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I >> believe this way I´ll naturally >> >> find an more audience-friendly way to perform my >> looping. >> > >> > >> >I think this is interesting. I only really started >> to tour reasonable sized >> >venues around Europe with a seven-piece jazz-folk >> band playing complicated >> >stuff in odd time signatures (5/4, 7/8 etc). It was >> where I had to learn >> >about stagecraft at the next level from >> pubs/college clubs. I dont remember >> >having to concentrate on getting the music right >> being a problem, ; all down >> >to being rehearsed properly. >> > >> >I do agree that having a complex set up can get in >> the way. One reason why >> >i'm reluctant to take out my rack is the fact that >> it can look cluttered, >> >and because I haven't found my own way to make this >> interesting visually. >> >Therefore, the DL4 gets more use than the >> JamMan/RDS. I'd love to know how >> >other people have found a way to incorporate their >> gear into their >> >performance in a way that looks interesting to the >> audience. >> > >> >v >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are >> love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > >===== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More >http://faith.yahoo.com > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 18:28:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16726; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:28:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:28:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018222713.18334.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:27:13 -0500 Subject: re: Feedback on the FCB 1010 X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: <3gJ4oB.A.7EE.grIs9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, Oh yeah, that was really funny... m ----- Original Message ----- From: SRice Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Feedback on the FCB 1010 Re: Re: Ok, I was wrong. I WAS WRONG!!! The FCB1010 can support Re: multiple midi channels at once. There goes my record of Re: infallibility... Re: Re: I apologize to anyone I misled or confused. Re: Re: I'll comment that for my purposes, the implementation is not Re: useful though. The 1010 has two pedals capable of sending cc Re: commands. The Repeater has many features which require cc, and Re: Re: my effects box uses only cc. I would need to dedicate of the Re: the 1010 expression pedals to one box, in all 10 banks, which Re: isn't practical for me. I can imagine that for changing two Re: devices simultaneously it could be good. Re: Re: One of the reasons I'm pursuing a dedicated midi Re: cc controller... Re: Re: Re: Time to eat some crow, Re: Steve Re: Re: Re: Re: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0500 Re: From: "michael b" Re: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Re: Subject: Feedback on the FCB 1010 Re: Re: Re: To all and any concerned, Re: Re: Here's the rather lenghty and detailed response I got from the Re: support people involved Re: with the FCB 1010. It looks good for my intents and purposes. Re: Re: I hope this is useful to Re: others interested in the unit. Re: Re: .... Re: Re: __________________________________________________ Re: Do you Yahoo!? Re: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More Re: http://faith.yahoo.com Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 18:29:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16368; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:25:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:25:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021018222459.13298.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:24:59 -0500 Subject: re: Feedback on the FCB 1010 X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-4.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve, Untill this point, I've been using the Digital Music Corp. Ground Control. It's all cc commands. It's been quite useful. Maybe you could look into one of those? OK, CU, m bassett ----- Original Message ----- From: SRice Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Feedback on the FCB 1010 Re: Re: Ok, I was wrong. I WAS WRONG!!! The FCB1010 can support Re: multiple midi channels at once. There goes my record of Re: infallibility... Re: Re: I apologize to anyone I misled or confused. Re: Re: I'll comment that for my purposes, the implementation is not Re: useful though. The 1010 has two pedals capable of sending cc Re: commands. The Repeater has many features which require cc, and Re: Re: my effects box uses only cc. I would need to dedicate of the Re: the 1010 expression pedals to one box, in all 10 banks, which Re: isn't practical for me. I can imagine that for changing two Re: devices simultaneously it could be good. Re: Re: One of the reasons I'm pursuing a dedicated midi Re: cc controller... Re: Re: Re: Time to eat some crow, Re: Steve Re: Re: Re: Re: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0500 Re: From: "michael b" Re: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Re: Subject: Feedback on the FCB 1010 Re: Re: Re: To all and any concerned, Re: Re: Here's the rather lenghty and detailed response I got from the Re: support people involved Re: with the FCB 1010. It looks good for my intents and purposes. Re: Re: I hope this is useful to Re: others interested in the unit. Re: Re: .... Re: Re: __________________________________________________ Re: Do you Yahoo!? Re: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More Re: http://faith.yahoo.com Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 21:35:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29448; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:31:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 21:31:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:31:08 +0200 Subject: EDP+ in France Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021018142020.30664.qmail@email.com> Message-Id: <71541B1A-E302-11D6-AC45-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: <8dIRbB.A.zLH.9XLs9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard a rumour from a music shop here in Paris that the EDP+ might be unavailable in France due to a patent issue. I know that the Repeater was banned for sale in France due to the same reason... Has anyone else head this? Yours hoping it is just a rumour, Stuart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 18 22:22:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32729; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:20:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:20:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021019021956.33254.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Martin Subject: Re: Repeater ambient and glitching To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bret- Could either you or CQ elaborate on the technique involved to produce this piece? Very cool. Thanks for making it available! Bret said: >I have uploaded a file to the loopmusic yahoo group >that demonstrates >Goddess creating an ambient loop, and then glitching >it. Some folks >have said that the repeater is not suitable for these >2 tasks, but >Goddess shows it can be done (she is a goddess after >all). ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 00:45:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08052; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c2772a$1d4f8e40$9865fea9@your5olnb28oao> From: "Keith Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Midi Looping Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:43:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i'm in toronto. best, keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Ferguson" To: Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: Midi Looping > I'm in the Hamilton area... Waterdown to be exact... > > Bests, > Ryan > > > > >thanks also to tim. i'm just about to try it out. > >i too am impressed with the calibre of posts/people on this list. btw, >are > >there any loopers in the hamilton/toronto area of ontario? > >rob > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 00:45:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08285; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:45:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:45:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:47:16 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Loop Music group and DBeam sample Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All, I'm now a co-mod with Bret for the Loop Music group, and have opened it's files section to non-members. So anyone here should be able to listen to, or download the files from the Loop Music files section. Below is the message to Loop Music displaying the link to, and announcing the sample mp3 I mentioned to Louie earlier, that I'd be posting. It illustrates the technique I use of controlling the Repeater with the DBeam. In this sample, The MC-505 is playing a sequence, and the Repeater is playing one loop at normal pitch, synched to the 505, and another loop also synched, but whose pitch is being modulated via the DBeam on the MC-505. -Hope you enjoy it... Smiles, CQ X-eGroups-Return: sentto-7729798-19-1035001361-thefates=earthlink.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com X-eGroups-Return: notify@yahoogroups.com X-eGroups-Application: files From: LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com To: LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com Mailing-List: list LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com; contact LoopMusic-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com List-Unsubscribe: Date: 19 Oct 2002 04:22:38 -0000 Subject: [LoopMusic] New file uploaded to LoopMusic Reply-To: LoopMusic@yahoogroups.com Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the LoopMusic group. File : /FWLF CQ DBeam pitch Repeater.mp3 Uploaded by : goddessthefates Description : This is a pitched looped played using the DBeam controller of the MC-505 for the First Women's Looping Festival You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LoopMusic/files/FWLF%20CQ%20DBeam%20pitch%20Re peater.mp3 To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, goddessthefates ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/5lJolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: LoopMusic-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 00:54:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08859; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:54:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:54:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018225541.009e9d40@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:55:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Repeater ambient and glitching In-Reply-To: <20021019021956.33254.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott, for the sample Bret uploaded, I created an ambient loop normally, with the exception of dropping out of record every so often and reversing the direction. I then used the replace function while playing new parts along with reversing to add little bits of new glitchy audio to the loop on a layer by layer idea, and then also toggled between undo and redo along with reverse which can give a somewhat random feel to the loop and it's glitching. Does this make sense? If it's not real clear, just lemme' know and I'll be glad to elaborate more, K? Thanks for your interest, glad ya liked it. Have a great evening!... Smiles, CQ At 07:19 PM 10/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >Bret- > >Could either you or CQ elaborate on the technique >involved to produce this piece? Very cool. Thanks >for making it available! > >Bret said: >>I have uploaded a file to the loopmusic yahoo group >>that demonstrates >>Goddess creating an ambient loop, and then glitching >>it. Some folks >>have said that the repeater is not suitable for these >>2 tasks, but >>Goddess shows it can be done (she is a goddess after >>all). > >===== >Scott Martin >coirbidh_99@yahoo.com > >You can't make me think like you, mundane >-Incubus > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 01:58:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA12373; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:55:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:55:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021018235712.008f8b90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 23:57:12 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: DBeam controller Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com To those who are interested in the DBeam, the company it was licensed from is Interactive Light Inc. Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 02:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14598; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:22:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:22:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: making a spectacle of yourself Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 23:20:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20021018204806.97351.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don't make life sound so dismal, please. -----Original Message----- From: SRice [mailto:srice44@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself ...This is the other reason I'm seeking a hand held midi controller. In my limited looping performances, I've found myself isolated from the audience by all the hardware. Having a controller with which I could move around is one way of fixing this. Also I've tried to drape a colorful cloth over the back of the rig to hide it. Heat could be a problem doing this though. Yours in rhythm, Steve Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:05:40 -0600 From: "Goddess" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself -Just my thoughts, but I think most people will tend to find the actual performer(s) and what they're playing/doing on stage to be most interesting rather than their gear. -and for performers who tend to __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 04:31:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA21534; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 04:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021019082914.14983.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021018155818.008fba50@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds great CQ! I gotta check some of this boxes out i´ve seen many new Roland groove boxes but frankly i am also interested in sequencing samples and not just playing one at a time more of a composition thing,you know? Up until now i´ve been syncing the EDP to my Roland DR.660 but i dont like drum machines too much.slaving the Repeater to the EDP with samples loaded is also a bit complicated at times ,although i havent tried syncing the EDP as slave,how do you set it up? thanx > Louie, the DBeam is an ir midi controller found on > some Roland products > and supposedly, lately available by itself as well. > The MC-505 which I > use, has one which I use to send midi note messages > to pitch loops I've > created with the Repeater. So, I can create a > loop, and then use the > DBeam to play a theremin-like solo with the loop > itself as the changing and > evolving tone. Does this make sense? > When one moves their hand or any body part over > the controller along the > ir beam itself, midi messages are sent based on your > position in the beam. > So, if you move your hand along the beam, the midi > messages will change > accordingly. You can also set the DBeam to send > notes within a given scale > or key, and target it's range to make it very easy > and intuitive to work > with. In this way, you can then send pitch data to > the Repeater, and > modulate a loop's pitch within a scale to play a > solo with it while it > loops or is even being recorded. It's pretty > amazing, and lots of fun! > You might want to also see Rick Walker's > recent review of the > First Women's Looping Festival where he mentiones > it. > If I get a minute this weekend, I'll post a sample > mp3 to Bret's Loop > Music group files section of me doing this for the > First Women's Looping > Festival. > Oh, on the subject of the files section, Bret, > make me a list mod, and I > can open the files section to non-members. -Or, if > you feel adventurous, > I believe it's under the settings link for the list. > > anyway, Louie, thanks for the interest. If you > like this sort of thing, > you might want to search on DBeam, and I'll also > look up the name of the > company who makes it and post that to the list, K? > Have an awesome day!... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 06:37 AM 10/18/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > > Hi CQ, > >sounds interesting! > >Can you develop more on this? what is a D beam and > how > >do you manipulate the loops? > >Thanx > >louie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Of course, when I use something neat like the DBeam > >> controller to pitch a > >> Repeater loop, or improvise dance or movement to > >> music, it's fun and > >> important, and involves the audience more. The > >> performance is an > >> experience for everyone, the audience and the > >> performer... > >> > >> > >> Smiles, > >> > >> CQ > >> > >> At 08:21 AM 10/18/02 +0100, you wrote: > >> >Carsten Wegener said: > >> > > >> >> After five years of playing the same 60, > simple > >> folktunes/songs with just > >> >> my good, old doublebass (and still finding new > >> approach in a very detailed > >> >> way of looking),I now come the point to have > the > >> freedom to really work on > >> >> my performance. What i want to sayis this: The > >> more complex the music your > >> >> playing and the techniques you are using, the > >> longer it will take to become > >> >> a good musician and performer in the same > time. > >> For me the consequence will > >> >> be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I > >> believe this way I´ll naturally > >> >> find an more audience-friendly way to perform > my > >> looping. > >> > > >> > > >> >I think this is interesting. I only really > started > >> to tour reasonable sized > >> >venues around Europe with a seven-piece > jazz-folk > >> band playing complicated > >> >stuff in odd time signatures (5/4, 7/8 etc). It > was > >> where I had to learn > >> >about stagecraft at the next level from > >> pubs/college clubs. I dont remember > >> >having to concentrate on getting the music right > >> being a problem, ; all down > >> >to being rehearsed properly. > >> > > >> >I do agree that having a complex set up can get > in > >> the way. One reason why > >> >i'm reluctant to take out my rack is the fact > that > >> it can look cluttered, > >> >and because I haven't found my own way to make > this > >> interesting visually. > >> >Therefore, the DL4 gets more use than the > >> JamMan/RDS. I'd love to know how > >> >other people have found a way to incorporate > their > >> gear into their > >> >performance in a way that looks interesting to > the > >> audience. > >> > > >> >v > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, > are > >> love, and eachother. > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > >> > > > > > >===== > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > >http://faith.yahoo.com > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are > love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 05:42:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25504; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:39:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 05:39:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:38:19 +0200 Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021018204806.97351.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <8053ED25-E346-11D6-AC45-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Friday, October 18, 2002, at 10:48 PM, SRice wrote: > In my limited looping performances, I've found myself > isolated from the audience by all the hardware. Having > a controller with which I could move around is one way > of fixing this. I actually like being surrounded by the hardware :) Its my anti-paranoia audience filter.... -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 12:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19312; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:37:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:37:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP+ in France Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:39:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <71541B1A-E302-11D6-AC45-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <59Na8B.A.etE.CpYs9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is very strange and not something we are aware of. Can you get any more details about why the Repeater was banned? I always thought patent issues were worldwide. Production of the EDP+ is due to start in 3 weeks with 200 being shipped before Christmas. I believe 100 of these are going to Europe. -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] Sent: 19 October 2002 02:31 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP+ in France I heard a rumour from a music shop here in Paris that the EDP+ might be unavailable in France due to a patent issue. I know that the Repeater was banned for sale in France due to the same reason... Has anyone else head this? Yours hoping it is just a rumour, Stuart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 12:40:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA19613; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:40:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:40:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004201c2778e$97039150$9149ea43@nebular> From: "Stephanie Sante" To: Subject: Confiquring Line6EchoPro and FBC1010 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:43:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C27764.AD3F0AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C27764.AD3F0AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, Have anyone been able to get this combo to work for the loop modes. Any = help would be appreciated. I am quite sure I understand how to program = the FBC1010 correctly but the pedal commands to different things thanI = anticipate. I am trying to use Bank 00 for all looper commands in the Echo Pro in = the following configuration. For instance: Pedal 01 =3D CH 97 Looper Mode " 02 =3D Ch 101 Looper Rec/Play/Stop/Play/Stop " 03 =3D Ch 104 Looper Overdup " 04 =3D Ch 108 Looper Halfspeed " 05 =3D Ch 109 Looper Reverse " 06 =3D CC 50 Looper Record " 07 =3D CC 50 Looper Overdup " 08 =3D CC 28 Looper Play " 09 =3D CC 28 Looper Stop " 10 =3D Note 71 Looper Reset I have tried incrementing the Program Change by an offset of +1 to = account for that but that does not seem to work. Any help or advise would be highly appreciated. thanks, Stephanie Sante ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C27764.AD3F0AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings,
 
Have anyone been able to get this combo = to work for=20 the loop modes. Any help would be appreciated. I am quite sure I = understand how=20 to program the FBC1010 correctly but the pedal commands to different = things=20 thanI anticipate.
 
I am trying to use Bank 00 for all = looper commands=20 in the Echo Pro in the following configuration.
 
For instance:
 
Pedal 01 =3D CH  97 Looper = Mode
"        02 =3D Ch=20 101 Looper Rec/Play/Stop/Play/Stop
"       =20 03 =3D Ch 104 Looper Overdup
"        04 =3D Ch=20 108 Looper Halfspeed
"        05 =3D Ch=20 109 Looper Reverse
"        06 =3D=20 CC 50  Looper Record
"        07 =3D CC=20 50  Looper Overdup
"        08 =3D CC=20 28  Looper Play
"        09 =3D CC=20 28  Looper Stop
"        10 =3D=20 Note 71 Looper Reset
 
I have tried incrementing the Program = Change by an=20 offset of +1 to account for that but that does not seem to = work.
 
Any help or advise would be highly=20 appreciated.
 
thanks,
 
Stephanie = Sante
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C27764.AD3F0AA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 12:55:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20740; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:54:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:54:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:55:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: RE: EDP+ in France Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <81h6z.A.4DF.F5Ys9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >Production of the EDP+ is due to start in 3 weeks with 200 being shipped >before Christmas. I believe 100 of these are going to Europe. What features will the EDP+ have that the EDP doesn't? Can someone enlighten me? Is it worth waiting on? Will it be replacing the EDP entirely? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 13:22:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23480; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DB194CE.D5771188@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:24:28 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT or is it?: Tommy Emmanuel... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just saw Tommy Emmanuel last night at a small theater here in Memphis... (actually Bartlett, a suburb) Don't miss this guy if he comes anywhere near you.... absolutely phenomenal guitarist. He has taken mastery of the guitar to a new level, and I've seen McLaughlin, Hedges..others... He used a delay unit of some kind for one extended piece that had a lot of percussion and very controlled soundeffects that he was getting out of his acoustic guitar. You need to see this guy in person and see "how" he plays the instrument..... the closest to an extension of the human body and mind that I've ever seen. .....enuf said. -- gary @friendlyspider.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 13:23:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23486; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:20:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:20:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:19:22 -0400 To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" From: Tom Ritchford Subject: repeater analysis project underway, informally... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5Li9mB.A.ruF.nRZs9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I created some informal test files with quick release notes here... http://loopNY.com/repeater.tar.gz all suggestions for better formatting, questions, etc, gratefully received. /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 13:24:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23216; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <05d101c27793$555d2220$210ff018@ccsunet.clayton.edu> From: "magicicada" To: References: <004201c2778e$97039150$9149ea43@nebular> Subject: Stars of the Lid //magicicada\\live October 22 @ eyedrum Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:16:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05CE_01C27771.CE0B44D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05CE_01C27771.CE0B44D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when:October 22 2002 where: eyedrum : Atlanta Georgia time: doors open @ 8 hey all,=20 I just wanted to invite you to Eyedrum on the 22 of October to check out = my experimental sound project magicicada and ambient artists Stars of = the Lid(who make gorgeous minimal music). Below is a description of one = of my live shows as reviewed by someone who seemed to enjoy it. i also = have to say i have liberally used this quote in everythng from bios to = emails to my mother. Christopher White uses the free association of improvisation in his = music to liberate his expression of a sound world that is as dark as it = is beguiling. Taking found sounds and electronic re-interpretation, an = alchemy of rich beauty emerges from this heady mix of the everyday and = the synthetic that constitutes the music of magicicada. This is not = theoretical music, it is a product of skilful musical form, this music = is about experience. Sculpting rolling unease in the lower frequencies = to a lattice of rhythms and the pulse of a furnace. A poetry of disorder = made vivid in sound. Lots of fancy imagery in there^. I will do my best to live up to it. = anyways i hope to see you out there. I will be the guy with the beanie = hidden behind his gear. Here is a little example of my music if you are inclined to check it = out. www.magicicada.com/2.mp3 ps: lots of live looping and instant compostion will be happening within = my set. October 22 2002 doors open @ 8 cost is 10 dollars related links: www.eyedrum.org www.magicicada.com http://brainwashed.com/sotl/ ------=_NextPart_000_05CE_01C27771.CE0B44D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
when:October 22 2002
where: eyedrum : Atlanta = Georgia
time: doors open @ 8
 
hey all,
I just wanted to invite you to = Eyedrum on the=20 22 of October to check out my experimental sound project=20 magicicada and ambient artists Stars of the Lid(who = make=20 gorgeous minimal music). Below is a description of one of my live shows = as=20 reviewed by someone who seemed to enjoy it. i also have to say i have = liberally=20 used this quote in everythng from bios to emails to my = mother.
 
Christopher White uses the free association of=20 improvisation in his music to liberate his expression of a sound world = that is=20 as dark as it is beguiling. Taking found sounds and electronic=20 re-interpretation, an alchemy of rich beauty emerges from this heady mix = of the=20 everyday and the synthetic that constitutes the music of magicicada. = This is not=20 theoretical music, it is a product of skilful musical form, this music = is about=20 experience. Sculpting rolling unease in the lower frequencies to a = lattice of=20 rhythms and the pulse of a furnace. A poetry of disorder made vivid in=20 sound.

 
Lots of fancy imagery in = there^. I will=20 do my best to live up to it. anyways i hope to see you out there. I = will be=20 the guy with the beanie hidden behind his gear.
 
Here is a little example of my music if = you are=20 inclined to check it out.
www.magicicada.com/2.mp3
 
 
ps: lots of live looping and instant = compostion=20 will be happening within my set.
 
 
October 22 = 2002
doors open @ = 8
 
cost is 10 = dollars
 
related = links:
www.eyedrum.org
www.magicicada.com
http://brainwashed.com/sotl/
------=_NextPart_000_05CE_01C27771.CE0B44D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 13:42:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24916; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:38:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:38:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Confiquring Line6EchoPro and FBC1010 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:38:12 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <002401c27796$4c86d620$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <004201c2778e$97039150$9149ea43@nebular> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA24892 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I'm not quite sure which "combo" you are talking about (since the subject line says "Line6...." and the text gives out EDP features). But if you're asking about the FBC1010/EDP combo that's what I've got working here ;-) I'm using the FBC1010 to control one EDP and one Repeater. I have two banks dedicated for the EDP; one with note numbers controlling the functions rec/overdub/multiply/insert/nextLoop/reverse/HalfSpeed/replace/insert and one with each footpad sending a control change to call up EDP program 1-10. All ten programs I use have the same setting except for the 8th/Cycle which goes 4,5,6,7,8,10,12,16,32. Talking about the two expression pedals I have one signed to the EDP midi channel and one for the Repeater. Best wishes Per Boysen -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Stephanie Sante [mailto:ssante@earthlink.net] Skickat: den 19 oktober 2002 18:43 Till: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Ämne: Confiquring Line6EchoPro and FBC1010 Greetings, Have anyone been able to get this combo to work for the loop modes. Any help would be appreciated. I am quite sure I understand how to program the FBC1010 correctly but the pedal commands to different things thanI anticipate. I am trying to use Bank 00 for all looper commands in the Echo Pro in the following configuration. For instance: Pedal 01 = CH 97 Looper Mode " 02 = Ch 101 Looper Rec/Play/Stop/Play/Stop " 03 = Ch 104 Looper Overdup " 04 = Ch 108 Looper Halfspeed " 05 = Ch 109 Looper Reverse " 06 = CC 50 Looper Record " 07 = CC 50 Looper Overdup " 08 = CC 28 Looper Play " 09 = CC 28 Looper Stop " 10 = Note 71 Looper Reset I have tried incrementing the Program Change by an offset of +1 to account for that but that does not seem to work. Any help or advise would be highly appreciated. thanks, Stephanie Sante From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 14:31:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29897; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:31:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:31:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Wjguitar@aol.com Message-ID: <125.1896bf07.2ae2feab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:30:03 EDT Subject: OT: Tommy Emmanuel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_125.1896bf07.2ae2feab_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 180 Resent-Message-ID: <2za30B.A.ATH.STas9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_125.1896bf07.2ae2feab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have known Tommy Emmanuel for about six years now, and have had the pleasure of performing with him and others at the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society conference, nearly each year. CAAS is held annually at the Sheraton Music City Hotel in Nashville, every July. He has shared the stage at CAAS with Nokie Edwards, Tom Bresh, Richard Smith, Romane, Jim Nichols, Buster B Jones, and other fine guitarists from all over the world. Tommy is an awesome guitarist, and one of only two guitarists presented with the CGP (Certified Guitar Player) status by Chet Atkins. He recordered "Fingerpickers take over the World" with Chet Atkins. The Australian guitarist performs all over the world and is definitly worth seeing. He's one of the world's best guitarists, in my opinion. Click here: Tommy Emmanuel c.g.p. | official Homepage There's a short video at the site, too. Another guitarist Stephen Bennett, performs often with Tommy E. He too, is a fantastic musician, and also performs on most occasions with his "Harp guitar". I performed an engagement last week in El Paso (Chamizal Festival), and Stephen Bennett was also on the program. We did a workshop together on fingerstyle guitar techniques. He's an incredible fingerstylist. Also, joining us in the workshop was Ruben Romero on flamenco techniques. Click here: Stephen Bennett - Guitarist See also Guitars for Life... Click here: Guitars For Life! Best Regards, Wayne Wesley Johnson Wannadu, LLC 7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260 Santa Fe, NM 87508 phone: 505.466.8700 fax: 505.466.8702 email: Wjguitar@aol.com or WannaduLLC@aol.com website: http://wannadu.com --part1_125.1896bf07.2ae2feab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have known Tommy Emmanuel for about six years now, and have had the pleasure of performing with him and others at the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society conference, nearly each year.  CAAS is held annually at the Sheraton Music City Hotel in Nashville, every July. He has shared the stage at CAAS with Nokie Edwards, Tom Bresh, Richard Smith, Romane, Jim Nichols, Buster B Jones, and other fine guitarists from all over the world. 

Tommy is an awesome guitarist, and one of only two guitarists presented with the CGP (Certified Guitar Player) status by Chet Atkins. He recordered "Fingerpickers take over the World" with Chet Atkins. 

The Australian guitarist performs all over the world and is definitly worth seeing.  He's one of the world's best guitarists, in my opinion.
Click here: Tommy Emmanuel c.g.p. | official Homepage There's a short video at the site, too.

Another guitarist Stephen Bennett, performs often with Tommy E.  He too, is a fantastic musician, and also performs on most occasions with his "Harp guitar".  I performed an engagement last week in El Paso (Chamizal Festival), and Stephen Bennett was also on the program.  We did a workshop together on fingerstyle guitar techniques.  He's an incredible fingerstylist.   Also, joining us in the workshop was Ruben Romero on flamenco techniques.   Click here: Stephen Bennett - Guitarist

See also Guitars for Life... Click here: Guitars For Life!
Best Regards,
Wayne Wesley Johnson

Wannadu, LLC
7 Avenida Vista Grande #-260
Santa Fe, NM 87508

phone: 505.466.8700
fax: 505.466.8702

email: Wjguitar@aol.com   or  WannaduLLC@aol.com
website:  http://wannadu.com




--part1_125.1896bf07.2ae2feab_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 16:52:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05930; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:51:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:51:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:50:31 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP+ in France Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <68190D94-E3A4-11D6-B41F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Saturday, October 19, 2002, at 06:39 PM, Andy Ewen wrote: > This is very strange and not something we are aware of. Can you get > any more > details about why the Repeater was banned? I always thought patent > issues > were worldwide. Er no... Someone had the patent on a looping device in France, and went to court to prevent Electrix from distributing the Repeater here in France. I remember seeing the adverts for the Repeater in the shop catalogues, with prices etc, but in the end, not a single one was allowed in through customs :( It was a shame, because the patent holder's looping device is completely different from the Repeater.... geared much more for DJ's, with only Midi clock output.... It has nothing for the live musician to utilise. The Repeater would have no way interfered with his own invention. I've been in contact with the patent holder via email asking him if he is going to be contesting the distribution of the EDP+, and he has replied that he will not be preventing the EDP+ being sold in France. :) > Production of the EDP+ is due to start in 3 weeks with 200 being > shipped > before Christmas. I believe 100 of these are going to Europe. I want one.... After I've paid my bloody taxes maybe :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 18:26:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12588; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 00:21:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #702 From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3DACB155.4E16C7AD@ernieball.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id SAA12553 Resent-Message-ID: <4EnucC.A.cED.Lsds9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 16.10.2002 2:22 Uhr schrieb Engineering unter hans@ernieball.com: > Carsten- > > I'd try the LDT series with rivets to make attaching the leads easier. > I don't know which size would be better - I'd try all three, since they > don't cost much. > > Alternatively, the SDT looks like a nice, tidy package. Also, it is > self-shielding and has a shielded cable already attached. It is > somewhat more expensive, however, at $25. > > I'm no expert on this stuff, but you will need to buffer the piezo's > output signal (as you must with any piezo element) to get a good > frequency response. You can build you own, or else use a commercially > available buffer from Fishman, Barcus-Berry, Highlander, LR Baggs, or > whoever makes piezo systems in your neighborhood. I like the looks of > the Fishman Powerjack, at $50: > > http://www.msiusa.com/PART8-INT.pdf > > An active DI like a Countryman should also work, if you have one lying > around. > > -Hans > > >>>>>> Here's a link to some piezo film sensors. I suspect that these may >>>>>> be the same type used by Pick-Up the World in their pickups. >>>>>> Unfortunately, there's a $100 minimum order. That's the same price >>>>>> as a single pickup from Pick-Up the World, but it will buy you a LOT >>>>>> of pickups. They make great gifts. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.msiusa.com/piezo_download_listing.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> -Hans >>>>> >>>> What is a piezo film-sensor? Is it just a normal ceramic-piezo or >>> something >>>> different? What about the sound and the sensetivity? >>>> Thanks carsten >>>> >>> >> I am still very interested in buying some of these sensors. But after having >> visited several homepages i still which one (size, thickness etc.) is the >> right one for my purposes(Pickup for acoustic instruments ranging from >> doublebass to smaller stringinstruments similar to ukulele or mandoline).It >> be because my english is not to good, that i really get lost on these >> technical websites(I sometimes get lost even when reading the Loopers >> Delight Messages especially the deeper philosophical stuff). Can someone >> help me with this? >> Thanks CW > Thanks a lot Hans I think that ´s what i needed. CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 19:16:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16365; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021019154303.041d6008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:17:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP+ in France In-Reply-To: <71541B1A-E302-11D6-AC45-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: <20021018142020.30664.qmail@email.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 06:31 PM 10/18/2002, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >I heard a rumour from a music shop here in Paris that the EDP+ might be >unavailable in France due to a patent issue. I know that the Repeater was >banned for sale in France due to the same reason... I'm familiar with that patent - it's Emmanuel Perille's, inventor of the DJRND. In my opinion there is nothing to worry about for the EDP because: a) the claims don't cover the technology in the Echoplex. They mainly pertain to a method for doing multi-track loops. b) the echoplex was in production many years before this patent was filed, so if the claims of the patent were found to cover the same innovations as the echoplex, the echoplex would serve as prior art and the patent would be ruled invalid. Electrix actually asked my opinion about this a couple of years ago because they were hoping to find some existing device to serve as prior art. For some of the claims there probably is prior art that could invalidate them. However, I didn't know of any for the multi-track related claims that might have specifically related to the Repeater. The Repeater wasn't out yet at that time so I didn't really know how it would work exactly, but I did suspect that they might be infringing on Emmanuel's patent. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 19:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18495; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:52:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:52:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <031901c277cb$bbf29960$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Yoshie & Chie and SelfService Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:00:43 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 22nd - Yoshie & Chie and SelfService SelfService consists of Rebecca McClellan and Jakob Thiesen who assemble pleasant plateaus of sound using acoustic drums and computer generated audio. Their goal is to create the perfect road music to fall asleep behind the wheel to. In the second set Yoshie and Chie deliver their very unique world music blend of sitar, didgeridoo, beats, voice, treatments & loops. If you've come across them playing at parties around town or in the subway - you know what a terrific vibe they can create. Between Sets CD - 'The Spirit Molecule' by Anomalous Disturbances Ambient looping guitar-based works by Vancouver's Terry O'Brien. (See rik maclean's complete review at the bottom of this e-mail.) (2002) http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 29th - Creepy Stuart Clark Between Sets CD - "Majestic Twelve" by Chris Hutton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 19:59:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18857; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:56:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021019161812.04416008@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:57:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP+ in France In-Reply-To: <68190D94-E3A4-11D6-B41F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 01:50 PM 10/19/2002, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >It was a shame, because the patent holder's looping device is completely >different from the Repeater.... geared much more for DJ's, with only Midi >clock output.... It has nothing for the live musician to utilise. The >Repeater would have no way interfered with his own invention. no, it's actually pretty similar to the Repeater, and was available a couple of years before the Repeater came out: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/DJRND3/DJRND3.html of course, the DJRND3 can do 42 audio loop tracks, and the Repeater can only do 4. I don't think it is very correct to say the DJRND is not suited for live musicians, it seems to me live use is exactly what it was designed for. Emmanuel's technology also appeared in the Cycloops from Red Sound. Also, the Repeater was also mainly designed for dj's and dance music producers, although other musicians found it to be useful for them also... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 20:21:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21818; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:21:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:21:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 02:20:31 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP+ in France Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021019161812.04416008@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > don't think it is very correct to say the DJRND is not suited for > live musicians, it seems to me live use is exactly what it was > designed for. Ok, maybe I did not explain my views well enough.... I'm not knocking the DJRND, but I did have a few hours to test it out.... I was talking with regards to musicians who play instruments live... in other words, both hands are tied up actually playing an instrument. There is no way to actually control the DJRND via midi. Also, it has a midi clock sync output, but no input thus it does not take into account that the performer might want to use another Midi source as the master clock. So I'll stand by what I said - the DJRND is geared very much for the console DJ/electro musician, and in my opinion, the Repeater, should he have allowed its sale in France, would have had negligable if any impact on his product. Alas, Electrix is dead, so this is going nowhere :) I'm just glad that I will one day (soon) be able to try an EDP....; -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 23:10:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00787; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:09:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:09:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021019182817.046b59e0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:10:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP+ in France In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021019161812.04416008@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 05:20 PM 10/19/2002, Stuart Wyatt wrote: >> don't think it is very correct to say the DJRND is not suited for live >> musicians, it seems to me live use is exactly what it was designed for. > >Ok, maybe I did not explain my views well enough.... > >I'm not knocking the DJRND, but I did have a few hours to test it out.... > >I was talking with regards to musicians who play instruments live... in >other words, both hands are tied up actually playing an instrument. There >is no way to actually control the DJRND via midi. Sure that's true. However, nearly the same complaint was made frequently about the Repeater. It doesn't very naturally lend itself to musicians whose hands are occupied either. The footpedal control it provides doesn't really do much. If you want to use it that way, you have to go out and buy a separate midi pedal and program it for the Repeater. That's also not very friendly to somebody who wants to play an instrument at the same time, although granted it is better than no possible way at all. But the fact is, Electrix didn't design the Repeater for traditional instrumentalists any more than Emmanuel designed the DJRND for them. They both targeted dance music producers and djs. If instrumentalists had been Electrix's goal, they would have designed the Repeater as a footpedal like the boomerang or digitech's GNX3, or at least they would have provided a complete means to control it with a simple footpedal like the EDP. Electrix designed it for dance producers and dj's, it just happened that instrumentalists found a way to use it as well. As I recall, Electrix was caught totally off guard by that, and then rather struggled to figure out how to target the instrumentalist market as well. In my opinion, that helped to bring them down. They would have been better off to stay focused on their original target market instead of trying to be everything to everybody. They just ended up confusing everybody. But it is pretty clear the Repeater was targeted at exactly the same market as the DJRND, and so it is no wonder that Emmanuel would employ his patent to protect his product and inventions. And good for him. He's a little guy trying to make his thing successful, and a bigger company came and tried to step all over it. He stuck up for himself. >Also, it has a midi clock sync output, but no input thus it does not take >into account that the performer might want to use another Midi source as >the master clock. sure, it's designed to fit a particular application where that isn't so necessary. Maybe he could add that improvement for the DJRND4, along with a footpedal control. >So I'll stand by what I said - the DJRND is geared very much for the >console DJ/electro musician, and in my opinion, the Repeater, should he >have allowed its sale in France, would have had negligable if any impact >on his product. You miss the point. The Repeater infringed the *patent*, not the product! You are confusing the concept of patents with copyrights, which a lot of people mix up. Patents are about technical innovations and inventions, not products or resulting works. They protect ideas. It doesn't matter what forms the inventor chose to productize his inventions. He was still the one who invented the idea first, and registered that, and anybody else who wants to use the same innovation in any other way has to respect it. Unlike copyrights, it doesn't matter if the inventor is even selling anything, or what form the product takes, or whether an infringing product affects any sales or not. That is not the point of patents, they exist to protect inventors from having their ideas taken without payment, and therefore encourage people to invent things. Nobody would bother doing all the perspiration and inspiration part if anybody with more resources could come along and steal their ideas. If Electrix had been on the ball, they would have known about the patent to begin with and either designed their product without infringing on it or taken care of any necessary licensing beforehand. It's especially surprising since IVL is an intellectual property company themselves, and live on their own patents. They ought to know how this works. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 19 23:24:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01619; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:21:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:21:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003d01c277e8$38b502a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:24:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi gang, I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now up and ready for use!!! http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ What does all this mean? - This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of audio samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools - The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the discussions that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio examples are worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts - The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. As the library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories - Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and upload to the library - Anyone can browse and download from the library - There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very simple to use. Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file library, so you won't have to remember the link. We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying to adjust and improve it as we go. Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will be a huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our discussions to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. Enjoy! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 04:56:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26664; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 04:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP+ in France Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:57:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes, it will entirely replace the EDP but there's no reason to wait if you are in the US or Switzerland. The EDP+ has the same hardware as the EDP, it's just been re-designed to attain CE approval which meant a few internal changes: - Filtered mains input, EMC screening cans on the CPU and Codec, Multi-layer PCB to separate the power supplies, VHF filters on all inputs/outputs. I have introduced a few improvements in response to feedback on LD:- The highest quality turned-pin IC sockets to minimise the 're-seating of chips problem' that a few users have experienced, New memory SIMMs designed and built to our specifications. The new features that it has are all due to it being shipped with the Loop4 software, (current EDPs ship with Loop3). You can check these features by downloading the new Loop4 manual from Loopers-Delight. Andy. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Shirkey [mailto:jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu] Sent: 19 October 2002 17:56 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP+ in France > >Production of the EDP+ is due to start in 3 weeks with 200 being shipped >before Christmas. I believe 100 of these are going to Europe. What features will the EDP+ have that the EDP doesn't? Can someone enlighten me? Is it worth waiting on? Will it be replacing the EDP entirely? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 05:04:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28270; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 05:04:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 05:04:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c27817$f8e78aa0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <003d01c277e8$38b502a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:05:57 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <43BtZC.A.P5G.HGns9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 04:24:AM Subject: Looper's Delight File Library > Hi gang, > > I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now up > and ready for use!!! > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > What does all this mean? > > - This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of audio > samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools > - The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the discussions > that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio examples are > worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts > - The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. As the > library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories > - Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and upload > to the library > - Anyone can browse and download from the library > - There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very simple to > use. > > Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file library, so > you won't have to remember the link. > > We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying to > adjust and improve it as we go. > > Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will be a > huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our discussions > to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. Excellent! Now, THIS is what the Internet is FOR...! S.P. Goodman EarthLight Productions * http://www.earthlight.net/Gallery - Cartoons and Illustrations! http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack - Cartoons via Medialine! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 06:17:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA32382; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 06:16:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 06:16:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:15:46 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000901c27821$a7e63110$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <003d01c277e8$38b502a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id GAA32226 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > > I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File > Library is now up and ready for use!!! > Great! I just uploaded a "Looping Example" that I have been trying to describe in words on the list. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that the upload process is not indicated in any way. So just don't close the page if your upload doesn't seem to start. You can't see the process until the entire file gets up there. Have a nice Sunday Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 08:20:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07685; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:18:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:18:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c27833$3c0215b0$2749ea43@nebular> From: "Stephanie Sante" To: Subject: Need advice Confiquring the Line6 Echo Pro and Behringer FBC1010 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 07:21:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27809.526EB120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27809.526EB120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The two items I am trying to confiqure are the "Line 6 Echo Pro" and the = Behringer FCB1010 Midi Foot Controller" Stephanie Sante ------------------------------------------- Hi, I'm not quite sure which "combo" you are talking about (since the subject line says "Line6...." and the text gives out EDP features). But if you're asking about the FBC1010/EDP combo that's what I've got working here ;-) Per Boysen -------------------------------------------- Greetings, Have anyone been able to get this combo to work for the loop modes. Any help would be appreciated. I am quite sure I understand how to program the FBC1010 correctly but the pedal commands to different things thanI anticipate. I am trying to use Bank 00 for all looper commands in the Echo Pro in the following configuration. For instance: Pedal 01 =3D CH 97 Looper Mode " 02 =3D Ch 101 Looper Rec/Play/Stop/Play/Stop " 03 =3D Ch 104 Looper Overdup " 04 =3D Ch 108 Looper Halfspeed " 05 =3D Ch 109 Looper Reverse " 06 =3D CC 50 Looper Record " 07 =3D CC 50 Looper Overdup " 08 =3D CC 28 Looper Play " 09 =3D CC 28 Looper Stop " 10 =3D Note 71 Looper Reset I have tried incrementing the Program Change by an offset of +1 to account for that but that does not seem to work. Any help or advise would be highly appreciated. thanks, Stephanie Sante ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27809.526EB120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The two items I am trying to confiqure = are the=20 "Line 6 Echo Pro" and the Behringer FCB1010 Midi Foot = Controller"
 
Stephanie Sante
 
-------------------------------------------
Hi,

I'm not quite sure which "combo" you are talking about = (since=20 the
subject line says "Line6...." and the text gives out EDP = features).=20 But
if you're asking about the FBC1010/EDP combo that's what I've=20 got
working here ;-)

Per Boysen
 
--------------------------------------------
 
Greetings,

Have anyone been able to get this combo to work = for the=20 loop modes. Any
help would be appreciated. I am quite sure I = understand how=20 to program
the FBC1010 correctly but the pedal commands to different = things=20 thanI
anticipate.

I am trying to use Bank 00 for all looper = commands=20 in the Echo Pro in
the following configuration.

For=20 instance:

Pedal 01 =3D CH  97 Looper=20 Mode
"        02 =3D Ch 101 Looper = Rec/Play/Stop/Play/Stop
"        = 03 =3D Ch=20 104 Looper Overdup
"        04 =3D = Ch 108=20 Looper Halfspeed
"        05 =3D = Ch 109=20 Looper Reverse
"        06 =3D CC = 50 =20 Looper Record
"        07 =3D CC = 50 =20 Looper Overdup
"        08 =3D CC = 28 =20 Looper Play
"        09 =3D CC = 28 =20 Looper Stop
"        10 =3D Note = 71 Looper=20 Reset

I have tried incrementing the Program Change by an offset = of +1=20 to
account for that but that does not seem to work.

Any help = or advise=20 would be highly appreciated.

thanks,

Stephanie=20 Sante
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27809.526EB120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 08:58:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09426; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:57:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 08:57:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:57:01 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP+ in France Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021019182817.046b59e0@loopers-delight.com> Message-Id: <6CC81225-E42B-11D6-B41F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > You miss the point. The Repeater infringed the *patent*, not the > product! I suppose I am looking at all of this from a selfish standpoint - that being that I had to go through a load of hell to actually obtain a repeater. Deep down, I am very much anti-patents. To me, they stifle innovation and progress.... ....but I stand corrected with regards to the Repeater/DJRND. Thanks Kim & appologies all around. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 09:42:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12471; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:39:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:39:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c2783e$66acc7a0$c22c5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: LD member spotted in NYT Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:41:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <-8rdXB.A.WCD.GIrs9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations to list member Todd Reynolds for the very nice article about his "band" (or is it really a string quartet?) in Saturday's New York Times! No mention of looping, but still good to see a familiar name there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 10:50:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17376; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:49:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:49:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c27848$51ca8340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <000901c27821$a7e63110$b42359d5@01Q4Y8> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:52:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI Anyone who tried to download Per's file prior to this email would have seen an error! Be it therefore declared that the very first file uploaded to the library after it went live, broke it! :) Quickly and easily fixed - we just needed to filter "#"s out of filenames. All is well again. Apologies for any inconvenience. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: SV: Looper's Delight File Library > Från: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > > I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File > Library is now up and ready for use!!! > Great! I just uploaded a "Looping Example" that I have been trying to describe in words on the list. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that the upload process is not indicated in any way. So just don't close the page if your upload doesn't seem to start. You can't see the process until the entire file gets up there. Have a nice Sunday Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 11:18:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19910; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:18:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:18:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <147.cfe43a.2ae42303@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:17:23 EDT Subject: Re: EDP+ in France To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Andy, In a message dated 10/20/02 1:56:05 AM, andy.ewen@btinternet.com writes: >New memory SIMMs designed and built to our specifications. Does this mean that these units will still accept a pretty wide range of Mac-type simms? Or will it now be only compatible with some specific or (possibly) proprietary type of memory? And while we're on the topic . . . how much Ram will these new puppies come stuffed with? I suppose, a lot of us EDP owners are having at least faint passing thoughts as to whether there is any particular compelling reason to plan to go out and order the new units and put our old boxes on Ebay (or something) when these new units become available. Sounds like "not" from an end user standpoint . . . but just checking. Ciao, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 11:48:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21459; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:44:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 11:44:16 -0400 Subject: Re: LD member spotted in NYT From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c2783e$66acc7a0$c22c5a0c@u73x0> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 10/20/02 9:41 AM, "Cino" wrote: > Congratulations to list member Todd Reynolds for the very nice article about > his "band" (or is it really a string quartet?) in Saturday's New York Times! > > No mention of looping, but still good to see a familiar name there. > Dear Maestro Cino and all of my LD list compatriots, I just returned from a month in Palermo, Sicily, where I discovered that EVERYONE who has spent serious time studying their musical craft is bestowed with the title of maestro, not just me (I was conducting a new opera there). So I have a new way to bestow my own respect for my colleagues. Never quite got that it was that way there. Very old school... In any case, just got off the plane last Sunday in time to do the Steve Reich dates at Brooklyn Academy of Music here in NYC, and JUST joined the list again yesterday to find your welcome acknowledgement. Many thanks from me and from ethel for the mention. And no, no looping sign except for the mention of phil kline, composer. Tonite at sonic boom at the knitting factory, we'll be doing a very little bit of looping using line6 pedals in his piece "svarga yatra" HOWEVER! next week we'll be premiering his new piece, "the blue room" with lots o' looping therein, and probably some more in some quartet improvisations over the three nights we're there... Here are the two links for those things... And one more if you're interested in checking out the opera. There is one guy over there who is doing some really nice stick work through a roland rc-20, is that right? Very simple and effective pedal. He was the sound-designer for the opera. His name is Maurizio, and I hope he'll join our community soon. It'll be good for his english and our italian. Once again, happy to be back on internet soil with you all, and wow, I really missed my gear, too... Good to be back. Word has it that I might be a father soon too, to an orville! anyone got anything to say before I get married to one? Italo? Best to all, todd http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/arts/music/20SMIT.html http: //www.thekitchen.org http://www.teatromassimo.it/inglese/progetti/2002/ellisisland/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 12:04:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23740; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:03:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:03:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:06:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A13000069F7@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: repeater analysis project underway, informally... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA23691 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tom, I've got the files... :) Questions, where can I look at the specs for the Repeater (ie. number of tracks, etc), and is there a electronic version of the manual available? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:19:22 -0400 >To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" >From: Tom Ritchford >Subject: repeater analysis project underway, informally... >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I created some informal test files with quick release notes here... > >http://loopNY.com/repeater.tar.gz > >all suggestions for better formatting, questions, etc, >gratefully received. > > /t >-- > >http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! >http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 12:47:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27655; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004901c27858$f30bfee0$dd5a2c42@hppav> From: "Ronald G. Begley" To: "Vervlied, Julie" , "Tim Price" , "Therese M. Droste" , "Straughn, Denese D" , , "Ron Begley" , , "Renee Roberts" , "Renascence Clinic" , "ProAging EMail Network \(PROAGING\)" , "Pavilion_Support" , "Oliver Russell" , "O russell" , "Nancy Nickell" , "Mike Parquette" , "Mike Bagwell" , "Michael Trippi" , "Michael Lieberman" , "McMahon, Susan M" , , "Mary Jean Kane" , "Mary Begley" , "Mary Begley" , "Mark Robinson" , "Loopers Delight" , "kpatman" , "Kimberly Satin" , "Kim Smith" , "Kenny Begley .0at Home" , "Kenny Begley" , "Karen Worrell" , , , "John Hortum" , "Joe Santone" , "Ivey/Sirota" , , , , "Gardiner, William F." , "Gail Baer" , "Eric Epp" , "Edward Mittman" , , "Douglas Rheinheimer" , "Doug Rheinheimer" , "diatom drone" , , "Cope's Jenny Koh" , , "Cohn, Alan S" , "Clark Chesser" , "Clark and Mike" , "Christine Alam" , "Carolyn Kravitz" , "Bob Crain" , "Bill Gardiner" , Subject: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:51:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27837.66EF7A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <2i_T1C.A.8vG.j3ts9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27837.66EF7A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Price=20 To: William Harris ; Ted Mittman ; swingalikat ; Steve Lane ; Ronald G. = Begley ; RITAOMC@aol.com ; Mike Trippi ; lalasisi@talkmatch.com ; = Kovalski, John ; Jade Lin ; Jacqueline Nathan ; Harrold, Ruth Ann ; = Hakeem Najeeullah ; Grady Smith ; George Salazar ; Dighe, Ranjit ; Dave = Grey ; Compe, Dave ; BobCrain=20 Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus Sorry Folks, Apparently my virus protection software did not filter this thing out. = It does not look like it did any damage to my system but then again I = did not open it. Ron Subject: Urgent - Address Book Virus Hello All - I got a notice and found I had this virus. Please check = your system. If you have it, it will work through your address book to = others. I was able to delete it quite easily. Here is what you must = do: Go to Start, then Find or Search In Files/Folders, write the name jdbgmgr.exe Be sure to search in your "C" Drive Click Find or Search DO NOT OPEN if you find it. The virus has a teddy bear logo with = the name =20 jdbgmgr.exe Right Click and Delete it Go to the Recycle Bin and Delete it there IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27837.66EF7A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Tim Price =
To: William Harris ; Ted=20 Mittman ; swingalikat ; Steve Lane ; Ronald G. Begley ; RITAOMC@aol.com ; Mike = Trippi ; lalasisi@talkmatch.com ; Kovalski, = John ; Jade = Lin ;=20 Jacqueline Nathan ; Harrold,=20 Ruth Ann ; Hakeem Najeeullah ; Grady=20 Smith ; George=20 Salazar ; Dighe,=20 Ranjit ; Dave=20 Grey ; Compe,=20 Dave ; BobCrain
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 1:24 AM
Subject: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus

Sorry Folks,
 
Apparently my virus protection software did not = filter this=20 thing out. It does not look like it did any damage to my system but then = again I=20 did not open it.
 
Ron
 
 
Subject: Urgent - Address Book Virus

Hello All - I got a notice and found I had this = virus. =20 Please check your system.  If you have it, it will work through = your=20 address book to others.  I was able to delete it quite = easily.  Here=20 is what you must do:

       Go to=20 Start, then Find or=20 Search
      
In = Files/Folders,=20 write the name jdbgmgr.exe
       =
Be=20 sure to search in your "C" = Drive
      =20 Click Find or Search
       = DO NOT=20 OPEN
if you find it.  The virus has a teddy bear logo with the=20 name       =20
           &nb= sp;=20 jdbgmgr.exe
       Right Click
= and=20 Delete it
       Go to the = Recycle=20 Bin and Delete it = there
       IF=20 YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT EVERYONE IN=20 YOUR
       ADDRESS BOOK
=20
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C27837.66EF7A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 12:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28138; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:50:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:50:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 09:53:51 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300006A4A@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <004901c27858$f30bfee0$dd5a2c42@hppav> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Vervlied, Julie" , "Tim Price" , "Therese M. Droste" , "Straughn, Denese D" , stfrancis@shol.com, "Ron Begley" , robferg1@hotmail.com, "Renee Roberts" , "Renascence Clinic" , "ProAging EMail Network (PROAGING)" , "Pavilion_Support" , "Oliver Russell" , "O russell" , "Nancy Nickell" , "Mike Parquette" , "Mike Bagwell" , "Michael Trippi" , "Michael Lieberman" , "McMahon, Susan M" , MassettiSi@aol.com, "Mary Jean Kane" , "Mary Begley" , "Mary Begley" , "Mark Robinson" , "Loopers Delight" , "kpatman" , "Kimberly Satin" , "Kim Smith" , "Kenny Begley .0at Home" , "Kenny Begley" , "Karen Worrell" , JWJENSEN@aol.com, Joselaurel@aol.com, "John Hortum" , "Joe Santone" , "Ivey/Sirota" , Hiringps@aol.com, GWSCSWEB@yahoogroups.com, Glenkeith123@aol.com, "Gardiner, William F." , "Gail Baer" , "Eric Epp" , "Edward Mittman" , Drmarcey@aol.com, "Douglas Rheinheimer" , "Doug Rheinheimer" , "diatom drone" , DBegley@datacolor.com, "Cope's Jenny Koh" , confirm-do-31487-begley=starpower.net@yahoogroups.com, "Cohn, Alan S" , "Clark Chesser" , "Clark and Mike" , "Christine Alam" , "Carolyn Kravitz" , "Bob Crain" , "Bill Gardiner" , Begley.Mary@epamail.epa.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id MAA28105 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a hoax, please refer to: http://www.techtv.com/news/security/story/0,24195,3383974,00.html >-- Original Message -- >From: "Ronald G. Begley" >To: "Vervlied, Julie" , "Tim Price" , > "Therese M. Droste" , > "Straughn, Denese D" , > , "Ron Begley" , > , "Renee Roberts" , > "Renascence Clinic" , > "ProAging EMail Network (PROAGING)" , > "Pavilion_Support" , > "Oliver Russell" , > "O russell" , > "Nancy Nickell" , > "Mike Parquette" , > "Mike Bagwell" , > "Michael Trippi" , > "Michael Lieberman" , > "McMahon, Susan M" , > , "Mary Jean Kane" , > "Mary Begley" , > "Mary Begley" , > "Mark Robinson" , > "Loopers Delight" , > "kpatman" , > "Kimberly Satin" , > "Kim Smith" , > "Kenny Begley .0at Home" , > "Kenny Begley" , > "Karen Worrell" , , > , "John Hortum" , > "Joe Santone" , > "Ivey/Sirota" , , > , , > "Gardiner, William F." , > "Gail Baer" , "Eric Epp" , > "Edward Mittman" , , > "Douglas Rheinheimer" , > "Doug Rheinheimer" , > "diatom drone" , , > "Cope's Jenny Koh" , > , > "Cohn, Alan S" , > "Clark Chesser" , > "Clark and Mike" , > "Christine Alam" , > "Carolyn Kravitz" , > "Bob Crain" , > "Bill Gardiner" , > >Subject: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus >Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:51:26 -0400 >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Price >To: William Harris ; Ted Mittman ; swingalikat ; Steve Lane ; Ronald G. Begley >; RITAOMC@aol.com ; Mike Trippi ; lalasisi@talkmatch.com ; Kovalski, John >; Jade Lin ; Jacqueline Nathan ; Harrold, Ruth Ann ; Hakeem Najeeullah ; >Grady Smith ; George Salazar ; Dighe, Ranjit ; Dave Grey ; Compe, Dave ; >BobCrain >Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 1:24 AM >Subject: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus > > >Sorry Folks, > >Apparently my virus protection software did not filter this thing out. It >does not look like it did any damage to my system but then again I did not >open it. > >Ron > > >Subject: Urgent - Address Book Virus > > >Hello All - I got a notice and found I had this virus. Please check your >system. If you have it, it will work through your address book to others. > I was able to delete it quite easily. Here is what you must do: > > Go to Start, then Find or Search > In Files/Folders, write the name jdbgmgr.exe > Be sure to search in your "C" Drive > Click Find or Search > DO NOT OPEN if you find it. The virus has a teddy bear logo with >the name > jdbgmgr.exe > Right Click and Delete it > Go to the Recycle Bin and Delete it there > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT EVERYONE IN YOUR > ADDRESS BOOK From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 12:56:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28639; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:55:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 12:55:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers Delight cc: "Vervlied, Julie" , Tim Price , "Therese M. Droste" , "Straughn, Denese D" , , Ron Begley , , Renee Roberts , Renascence Clinic , "ProAging EMail Network (PROAGING)" , Pavilion_Support , Oliver Russell , O russell , Nancy Nickell , Mike Parquette , Mike Bagwell , Michael Trippi , Michael Lieberman , "McMahon, Susan M" , , Mary Jean Kane , Mary Begley , Mary Begley , Mark Robinson , kpatman , Kimberly Satin , Kim Smith , "Kenny Begley .0at Home" , Kenny Begley , Karen Worrell , , , John Hortum , Joe Santone , Ivey/Sirota , , , , "Gardiner, William F." , Gail Baer , Eric Epp , Edward Mittman , , Douglas Rheinheimer , Doug Rheinheimer , diatom drone , , "Cope's Jenny Koh" , , "Cohn, Alan S" , Clark Chesser , Clark and Mike , Christine Alam , Carolyn Kravitz , Bob Crain , Bill Gardiner , Subject: Re: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus In-Reply-To: <004901c27858$f30bfee0$dd5a2c42@hppav> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a hoax. If you delete the file as this hoax instructs, you will be deleting a valid files. See links below to confirm, please. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html http://helpdesk.gwu.edu/helpdesk/whatsnew/sp02/jdbgmgr.exe_051002.html http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/jdbmgr.html http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/jdbgmgr.htm best, Steve Burnett On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Ronald G. Begley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Price > To: William Harris ; Ted Mittman ; swingalikat ; Steve Lane ; Ronald G. Begley ; RITAOMC@aol.com ; Mike Trippi ; lalasisi@talkmatch.com ; Kovalski, John ; Jade Lin ; Jacqueline Nathan ; Harrold, Ruth Ann ; Hakeem Najeeullah ; Grady Smith ; George Salazar ; Dighe, Ranjit ; Dave Grey ; Compe, Dave ; BobCrain > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 1:24 AM > Subject: Fw: Urgent - Address Book Virus > > > Sorry Folks, > > Apparently my virus protection software did not filter this thing out. It does not look like it did any damage to my system but then again I did not open it. > > Ron > > > Subject: Urgent - Address Book Virus > > > Hello All - I got a notice and found I had this virus. Please check your system. If you have it, it will work through your address book to others. I was able to delete it quite easily. Here is what you must do: > > Go to Start, then Find or Search > In Files/Folders, write the name jdbgmgr.exe > Be sure to search in your "C" Drive > Click Find or Search > DO NOT OPEN if you find it. The virus has a teddy bear logo with the name > jdbgmgr.exe > Right Click and Delete it > Go to the Recycle Bin and Delete it there > IF YOU FIND THE VIRUS, YOU MUST CONTACT EVERYONE IN YOUR > ADDRESS BOOK > -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 13:24:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31495; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:20:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:20:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c2785d$8ea27ba0$0c3e2c42@hppav> From: "Ronald G. Begley" To: "Vervlied, Julie" , "Tim Price" , "Therese M. Droste" , "Straughn, Denese D" , , , "Renascence Clinic" , "Pavilion_Support" , "Oliver Russell" , "O russell" , "Nancy Nickell" , "Mike Parquette" , "Michael Trippi" , , "Mary Jean Kane" , "Mary Begley" , "Mary Begley" , "Loopers Delight" , "Kimberly Satin" , "Kenny Begley .0at Home" , "Kenny Begley" , "Karen Worrell" , , "John Hortum" , "Joe Santone" , "Ivey/Sirota" , , , "Gardiner, William F." , "Eric Epp" , , "diatom drone" , , "Cope's Jenny Koh" , , "Cohn, Alan S" , "Clark Chesser" , "Clark and Mike" , "Carolyn Kravitz" , "Bob Crain" , "Bill Gardiner" Subject: Ignore Virus Warning Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:24:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2783C.03C4DF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <5m3YXC.A.GrH.VWus9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2783C.03C4DF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry again -- please ignore my message about the virus -- that warning = was a hoax that I fell for. If you delete the file as this hoax = instructs, you will be=20 deleting a valid file.=20 The following links list current virus hoaxes --=20 http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html http://helpdesk.gwu.edu/helpdesk/whatsnew/sp02/jdbgmgr.exe_051002.html http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/jdbmgr.html http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/jdbgmgr.htm -- Ron ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2783C.03C4DF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry again -- please ignore my message = about the=20 virus -- that warning was a = hoax that I=20 fell for. If you delete the file as this hoax instructs, you will be=20
deleting a valid file.

The following links list current = virus hoaxes=20 --

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax= .html


http://helpdesk.gwu.edu/helpdesk/whatsnew/sp02/jdbgmgr.exe_05100= 2.html


http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/jdbmgr.html

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/jdbgmgr.htm

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-- Ron
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2783C.03C4DF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 13:25:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31832; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:23:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:23:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:23:39 -0400 Subject: Re: LD member spotted in NYT From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002201c2783e$66acc7a0$c22c5a0c@u73x0> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7AcDMB.A.OxH.caus9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On 10/20/02 9:41 AM, "Cino" wrote: > Congratulations to list member Todd Reynolds for the very nice article about > his "band" (or is it really a string quartet?) in Saturday's New York Times! > > No mention of looping, but still good to see a familiar name there. > Dear Maestro Cino and all of my LD list compatriots, I just returned from a month in Palermo, Sicily, where I discovered that EVERYONE who has spent serious time studying their musical craft is bestowed with the title of maestro, not just me (I was conducting a new opera there). So I have a new way to bestow my own respect for my colleagues. Never quite got that it was that way there. Very old school... In any case, just got off the plane last Sunday in time to do the Steve Reich dates at Brooklyn Academy of Music here in NYC, and JUST joined the list again yesterday to find your welcome acknowledgement. Many thanks from me and from ethel for the mention. And no, no looping sign except for the mention of phil kline, composer. Tonite at sonic boom at the knitting factory, we'll be doing a very little bit of looping using line6 pedals in his piece "svarga yatra" HOWEVER! next week we'll be premiering his new piece, "the blue room" with lots o' looping therein, and probably some more in some quartet improvisations over the three nights we're there... Here are the two links for those things... And one more if you're interested in checking out the opera. There is one guy over there who is doing some really nice stick work through a roland rc-20, is that right? Very simple and effective pedal. He was the sound-designer for the opera. His name is Maurizio, and I hope he'll join our community soon. It'll be good for his english and our italian. Once again, happy to be back on internet soil with you all, and wow, I really missed my gear, too... Good to be back. Word has it that I might be a father soon too, to an orville! anyone got anything to say before I get married to one? Italo? Best to all, todd http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/arts/music/20SMIT.html http: //www.thekitchen.org http://www.teatromassimo.it/inglese/progetti/2002/ellisisland/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 14:00:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01816; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:59:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:59:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: Sender: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 10:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c27862$4e765060$bb07f843@gary> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001901c27848$51ca8340$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Congratulations on implementing a much needed service--welcome to the future! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library FYI Anyone who tried to download Per's file prior to this email would have seen an error! Be it therefore declared that the very first file uploaded to the library after it went live, broke it! :) Quickly and easily fixed - we just needed to filter "#"s out of filenames. All is well again. Apologies for any inconvenience. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: SV: Looper's Delight File Library > Från: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > > I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File > Library is now up and ready for use!!! > Great! I just uploaded a "Looping Example" that I have been trying to describe in words on the list. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that the upload process is not indicated in any way. So just don't close the page if your upload doesn't seem to start. You can't see the process until the entire file gets up there. Have a nice Sunday Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 16:18:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21698; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:18:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:18:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9.71438d.2ae46948@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:17:12 EDT Subject: More FREE MP3s available now. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I just thought I'd "announce" that I've changed the status of some of my files at http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian. It used to be that only the first 4 tracks off the "Flux Aeterna" CD were available as free MP3 "downloads" with the rest of the tracks available as audio streaming files only -- a "sly" ploy to get whatever few folks I could to actually go ahead and buy the CDs (if they indeed liked having MP3s of the first 4 tracks to begin with) heh, heh, heh. Well, I'm down to the last couple dozen CDs in my supply (and the label must be getting pretty low too by now -- with no plans to reprint). I doubt that granting free access to MP3 downloads of the entire album will now matter much at this point anyway -- so there they are (as if it were any big deal). I'm contemplating putting up a couple of "outtake" tracks from the same recording sessions that never made it on to the CD sometime in the near future too --for those who might be even remotely interested. Anywho, thanks for listening and paying any attention to this stuff at all. It's been a barrel of fun. Kind folks have said many nice things (probably too nice) about the CD that I put out nearly 15 months ago. Many of those are posted at: http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm I hope (sometime in the not too distant future) to start the whole crazy process all over again with some brand new material and a new CD -- Lord knows when that'll be though. Thanks for staying tuned . . . and thanks even more if you were one of the VERY nice people who actually bought a CD (either from the pfMentum website or directly from me at a gig). Thanks too for the many who traded discs with me over the past year. It's been a pleasure and an inspiration to hear so much good music. Pax, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 18:03:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30188; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:59:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 17:59:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021020145220.03e08ec0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 14:59:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP+ in France In-Reply-To: <147.cfe43a.2ae42303@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-Z2-MC.A.9DH.5bys9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted- At 08:17 AM 10/20/2002, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/20/02 1:56:05 AM, andy.ewen@btinternet.com writes: > >New memory SIMMs designed and built to our specifications. > >Does this mean that these units will still accept a pretty >wide range of Mac-type simms? Or will it now be only >compatible with some specific or (possibly) proprietary >type of memory? And while we're on the topic . . . how >much Ram will these new puppies come stuffed with? They are the same type of simms as before, but since the Echoplex now comes with the full memory installed there isn't any reason for a purchaser to care as they won't have to worry about upgrading it. (the EDP has been shipping with full memory installed for a while now, so that isn't changed in the new version.) >I suppose, a lot of us EDP owners are having at least >faint passing thoughts as to whether there is any >particular compelling reason to plan to go out and >order the new units and put our old boxes on Ebay (or >something) when these new units become available. >Sounds like "not" from an end user standpoint . . . >but just checking. from an existing user standpoint there is no reason to replace your unit with a new one. If you upgrade to LoopIV software you will pretty much have the same thing. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 18:06:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30542; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:05:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:05:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021020150140.03dcf910@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:06:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library In-Reply-To: <003d01c277e8$38b502a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1klREB.A.BdH.Piys9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Let's all give a big Thanks to Doug! He volunteered to do this project and did all the work to bring it together for us. Thanks a lot Doug, I really appreciate it! kim At 08:24 PM 10/19/2002, Doug Cox wrote: >Hi gang, > >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now up >and ready for use!!! > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 19:07:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02511; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:06:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:06:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DB3356F.3070606@oasis-open.org> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 18:59:59 -0400 From: Jeffrey Lomas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021020150140.03dcf910@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Looks like you need to turn off the debug code. Jeff Kim Flint wrote: > Let's all give a big Thanks to Doug! He volunteered to do this project > and did all the work to bring it together for us. > > Thanks a lot Doug, I really appreciate it! > > kim > > At 08:24 PM 10/19/2002, Doug Cox wrote: > >> Hi gang, >> >> I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is >> now up >> and ready for use!!! >> >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 19:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03109; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:19:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:19:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 16:19:28 -0700 Subject: Re: More FREE MP3s available now. From: Mark Hamburg To: "Looper's Delight" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9.71438d.2ae46948@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Get 'em while they last. _Flux Aeterna_ is a beautiful album. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 20:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05386; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:58:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:58:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000f01c27895$1dfee720$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021020150140.03dcf910@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:02:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, I appreciate the thought, and you are welcome. Really, there's no thanks necessary, because I did this as a way to "give back" to this group that's done so much for me. So, thanks! :) Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > Let's all give a big Thanks to Doug! He volunteered to do this project and > did all the work to bring it together for us. > > Thanks a lot Doug, I really appreciate it! > > kim > > At 08:24 PM 10/19/2002, Doug Cox wrote: > >Hi gang, > > > >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now up > >and ready for use!!! > > > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 20:04:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06626; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:59:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:59:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001901c27895$2edb9d40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021020150140.03dcf910@loopers-delight.com> <3DB3356F.3070606@oasis-open.org> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:02:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff, Can you be more specific? What are you seeing that looks like "debug code"? Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Lomas" To: Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > Looks like you need to turn off the debug code. > > Jeff > > Kim Flint wrote: > > > Let's all give a big Thanks to Doug! He volunteered to do this project > > and did all the work to bring it together for us. > > > > Thanks a lot Doug, I really appreciate it! > > > > kim > > > > At 08:24 PM 10/19/2002, Doug Cox wrote: > > > >> Hi gang, > >> > >> I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is > >> now up > >> and ready for use!!! > >> > >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 20:15:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07518; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:14:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:14:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01ee01c27895$e57e11e0$18615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: Subject: Posting Radio Show Playlists on LD Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:07:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" To: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #290 > Spam about a radio show I beg to differ. I have been posting playlists here with Kim's permission for years. > Sorry - but has this got anything to do with looping? Nothing much... other than most of the EM made these days uses some form of looping. > I kept getting a load of these in my inbox too before I filtered them > out - sometimes 5 or so a week.... I send one out per (weekly) show and one more per month with a top 20 list. If I'm late with one and fast with the following playlist, they may arrive close together, but they are for different shows. If you get more than that, I cannot be held responsible for the internet's burps and bugs. For those of you who don't get it, posting a playlist for a looping-friendly show isn't for my benefit. (1) It's for the benefit of the artist looking for an outlet for their hard work and passion. I provide exposure on the air, at my web site, and to appropriate mailing lists like LD. (2) It's for the listener looking for new music to investigate. Plus I play music from LD members when appropriate. Proof of the pudding may be seen in the email displayed below. By the way, the exposure that I provide has just expanded exponentially. WDIY now webcasts at http://wdiy.org and part of The AM/FM Show on WMUH (which is also streamed on the net) is loop-friendly, too. Cheers, Bill =============== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lawson" To: Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 5:21 AM Subject: Re: EMUSIC Playlist #181 > Bill, > > public thanks for playing my music - I really appreciate it. If anyone wants > to hear the track in question, or anything else off my solo album, it's all > on my web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk > > Steve > web-site - www.steve-lawson.co.uk > e-mail - steve@steve-lawson.co.uk > mailing list - steve-lawson-subscribe@listbot.com > SBN - solobassnetwork-subscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 20:44:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08972; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:43:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 20:43:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 02:42:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Posting Radio Show Playlists on LD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <01ee01c27895$e57e11e0$18615cd1@LocalHost> Message-Id: <04C741DB-E48E-11D6-B41F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Monday, October 21, 2002, at 02:07 AM, Bill Fox wrote: > I beg to differ. I have been posting playlists here with Kim's > permission for > years. I apologise. My previous mail filters somehow moved your postings advertising EMUSIC to my main folder....(along with a hell of a lot of spam)... I've been trying to fight spam on my system for ages.... Since I reinstalled OSX10.2, the filters are new, and I suddenly saw your posts in the LD folder... and automatically saw red. Sorry :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 20 21:10:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11415; Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:07:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:07:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005e01c2789e$6eb1b0e0$ddbd590c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: Subject: Re: LD member spotted in NYT Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:08:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Todd wrote: > Dear Maestro Cino and all of my LD list compatriots, "Maestro Cino"-- I love it! Mille grazie, Maestro Todd! Actually, I'd prefer "Pandit" or "Ustad" but I'm happy with "Maestro" ;-) > I just returned from a month in Palermo, Sicily, where I discovered that > EVERYONE who has spent serious time studying their musical craft is bestowed > with the title of maestro, not just me (I was conducting a new opera there). > So I have a new way to bestow my own respect for my colleagues. Never quite > got that it was that way there. Very old school... That reminds me of the great riff by Spaulding Gray in his monologue "Swimming to Cambodia." He was talking about working on the film "The Killing Fields." A British production crew member was trying to gather the actors for transportation to the set, and called out "Will the artists please assemble at the helicopter pad!" Gray looked up at the audience with a goofy grin and said "Call me an artist and I'll do anything you want." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 05:21:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09444; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:18:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:18:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA7F2@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Feedback on the FCB 1010 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:12:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.07CA36B0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.07CA36B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>One of the reasons I'm pursuing a dedicated midi cc controller...<< does it have to live on the floor? there are quite a few boxes that can be programmed to send cc's on a mixture of channels... the peavey 1600 springs to mind as being ideal for repeaters as it has buttons too, plus many presets and scenes, and a couple of pedal inputs.... but if you just want some knobs, the doepfer pocket controller is really cheap and easy to use, and quite small. we use three of them, with the power run up the outer pins of one of the midi cables; they merge input with their own data and, while the basic preset is selected on the back using dip switches, they can also respond to programme changes themselves. if 16 knobs isn't enough, buy two.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>One of the reasons I'm pursuing a dedicated midi<= /FONT>
cc controller...<<


does it have to live on the floor? there are quite a few = boxes that can be programmed to send cc's on a mixture of channels... the p= eavey 1600 springs to mind as being ideal for repeaters as it has buttons t= oo, plus many presets and scenes, and a couple of pedal inputs.... but if y= ou just want some knobs, the doepfer pocket controller is really cheap and = easy to use, and quite small. we use three of them, with the power run up t= he outer pins of one of the midi cables; they merge input with their own da= ta and, while the basic preset is selected on the back using dip switches, = they can also respond to programme changes themselves. if 16 knobs isn't en= ough, buy two....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.07CA36B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 05:22:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09679; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA7F3@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP+ in France Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:12:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0B189E60" Resent-Message-ID: <8OUUWC.A.dTC.bZ8s9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0B189E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>But the fact is, Electrix didn't design the Repeater for traditional=20 instrumentalists any more than Emmanuel designed the DJRND for them.<< hmm.... so at what point in the history of the thing did they decide to dra= w the picture of "the repeater band" for the manual? I agree that it's a pa= in to use with just the suggested digitech two-button switch but then the j= am-man wasn't much better until you added /at least/ a reset function to wh= at you could do with y'r feet. both of them are a pain to drop into record = if you're doing something with both hands but at least the repeater will st= ay on the selected midi channel when you switch it off, making remote contr= ol a little bit easier. I'm waiting for an fcb1010 I ordered, having singularly failed to get repea= ter to do anything useful with the footswitch option, but the machine itsel= f is great for my band. I can lock it up to what the drummer's doing just b= y whacking the huge tempo button occasionally and if he can hear and see it= , he can stay locked to it either. the bigger problem with it (and the lexicon products, jam-man and vortex) i= n the context of a live band, is the rack-mount cases. our jam-men live on = the shortest cheapest video-camera tripods we could find (=A330 each) and t= his seems to work ok, but the repeater is a bit heavier. from what I saw of= pierre bensusan a few years back, the edp wins hands down in this particul= ar area of adaptibility. I can't remember why we bought jam-men instead..... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0B189E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: EDP+ in France

>>But the fact is, Electrix didn't design the Repea= ter for traditional
instrumentalists any more than Emmanuel designed the DJR= ND for them.<<


hmm.... so at what point in the history of the thing did = they decide to draw the picture of "the repeater band" for the ma= nual? I agree that it's a pain to use with just the suggested digitech two-= button switch but then the jam-man wasn't much better until you added /at l= east/ a reset function to what you could do with y'r feet. both of them are= a pain to drop into record if you're doing something with both hands but a= t least the repeater will stay on the selected midi channel when you switch= it off, making remote control a little bit easier.

I'm waiting for an fcb1010 I ordered, having singularly f= ailed to get repeater to do anything useful with the footswitch option, but= the machine itself is great for my band. I can lock it up to what the drum= mer's doing just by whacking the huge tempo button occasionally and if he c= an hear and see it, he can stay locked to it either.

the bigger problem with it (and the lexicon products, jam= -man and vortex) in the context of a live band, is the rack-mount cases. ou= r jam-men live on the shortest cheapest video-camera tripods we could find = (=A330 each) and this seems to work ok, but the repeater is a bit heavier. = from what I saw of pierre bensusan a few years back, the edp wins hands dow= n in this particular area of adaptibility. I can't remember why we bought j= am-men instead.....

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0B189E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 05:24:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA09421; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:18:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 05:18:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA7F4@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Posting Radio Show Playlists on LD Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:13:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0DE63D50" Resent-Message-ID: <-4HpCC.A.7PC.AZ8s9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0DE63D50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> Spam about a radio show I beg to differ. I have been posting playlists here with Kim's permission for years. > Sorry - but has this got anything to do with looping? Nothing much... other than most of the EM made these days uses some form of looping.<<< hey bill! duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0DE63D50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Posting Radio Show Playlists on LD

>>> Spam about a radio show

I beg to differ.  I have been posting playlists here with Kim's permission for
years.

> Sorry - but has this got anything to do with looping?

Nothing much... other than most of the EM made these days uses some form of
looping.<<<

hey bill!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C278E2.0DE63D50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 07:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16516; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 07:14:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 07:14:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:13:40 +0200 Subject: Re: repeater analysis project underway, informally... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DAB0A13000069F7@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <27773EFE-E4E6-11D6-BEFC-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sunday, October 20, 2002, at 06:06 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > I've got the files... :) Questions, where can I look at the specs for > the > Repeater (ie. number of tracks, etc), and is there a electronic version > of the manual available? The manual is available in PDF form at http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.pdf If you are any good at reverse engineering, the OS1.1 upgrade is at http://www.electrixpro.com/files/sw/repeater_os11.zip Re: internal specs, it is closed source, however, Electrix did say that they would be releasing file specs for the Repeater. They have yet to do this. Check out the forum at the electrix site - there are a few other people who have tinkered with the Repeaters file format. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 08:39:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22113; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 08:37:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 08:37:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <06f401c278fd$a0f0f480$18615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <04C741DB-E48E-11D6-B41F-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Posting Radio Show Playlists on LD Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 08:30:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wyatt" > I apologise. My previous mail filters somehow moved your postings > advertising EMUSIC to my main folder....(along with a hell of a lot of > spam)... I've been trying to fight spam on my system for ages.... > > Since I reinstalled OSX10.2, the filters are new, and I suddenly saw > your posts in the LD folder... and automatically saw red. > > Sorry :) No problemo! My MSOutlookExpress filters are sending a lot of legit email to the FTC! Can't figure out why, yet. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 10:05:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30759; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:02:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:02:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 07:06:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A130000735A@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <27773EFE-E4E6-11D6-BEFC-0003934B4712@solostring.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: repeater analysis project underway, informally... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA30722 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the info Stuart... :) peace -cpr p.s. I love your work... :) >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:13:40 +0200 >Subject: Re: repeater analysis project underway, informally... >From: Stuart Wyatt >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >On Sunday, October 20, 2002, at 06:06 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > >> I've got the files... :) Questions, where can I look at the specs for > >> the >> Repeater (ie. number of tracks, etc), and is there a electronic version >> of the manual available? > >The manual is available in PDF form at >http://www.electrixpro.com/files/pdf/manual_repeater_E.pdf > >If you are any good at reverse engineering, the OS1.1 upgrade is at >http://www.electrixpro.com/files/sw/repeater_os11.zip > >Re: internal specs, it is closed source, however, Electrix did say that >they would be releasing file specs for the Repeater. They have yet to >do this. Check out the forum at the electrix site - there are a few >other people who have tinkered with the Repeaters file format. > >-- >Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 11:13:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03555; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:03:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:03:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list In-Reply-To: <001901c27895$2edb9d40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <5.1.1.6.2.20021020150140.03dcf910@loopers-delight.com> <3DB3356F.3070606@oasis-open.org> <001901c27895$2edb9d40$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 21 Oct 2002 06:55:33 -0400 Message-Id: <1035197733.3047.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Seems to be off now. When I first accessed the system, it was writing the transaction headers to the browser window. It isn't doing it anymore. Jeff On Sun, 2002-10-20 at 20:02, Doug Cox wrote: > Jeff, > > Can you be more specific? What are you seeing that looks like "debug code"? > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Lomas" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > > > > Looks like you need to turn off the debug code. > > > > Jeff > > > > Kim Flint wrote: > > > > > Let's all give a big Thanks to Doug! He volunteered to do this project > > > and did all the work to bring it together for us. > > > > > > Thanks a lot Doug, I really appreciate it! > > > > > > kim > > > > > > At 08:24 PM 10/19/2002, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > > >> Hi gang, > > >> > > >> I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is > > >> now up > > >> and ready for use!!! > > >> > > >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 11:20:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03775; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Subject: Tom Heasley show last Saturday From: Jeffrey Lomas To: LD Mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8.99 Date: 21 Oct 2002 06:59:44 -0400 Message-Id: <1035197985.3047.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I caught Tom Heasley's show in Cambridge, MA this past Saturday. In spite of technical difficulties, it was a nice performance. I also enjoyed catching up a little with the other loopers there. Over the weekend I listened through both of Tom's CDs. Anyone who can get their hands on them should. I found them inspiring. Thanks for sharing, Tom. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 11:32:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05102; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:29:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 11:29:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:25:53 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e301c27916$250a0410$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <003d01c277e8$38b502a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com excellent. thanks. i was wondering about copyrights here. would it be considered fair use to post a short sample of a copyrighted work as an example of a particular technique? > Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will be a > huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our discussions > to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. > > Enjoy! > > Doug > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 12:24:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09642; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: Vortex problem Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:26:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c2791e$bd432830$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Vortex users, my Vortex started to act strangely, in a way described below: Playing patches from the presets or from user memory works fine. If I modify an existing patch, it also works fine - but if I do save this patch to another location, the resulting patch acts weird, not working like the intended patch, not reacting to further parameter changes, and generally doing weird stuff (like creating feedback >100%). Has anyone else encountered this kind of problem before? Could it be a battery problem (if yes, I hope it's easy to change the battery in this thing)? Sincerely, Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 12:39:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10243; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA803@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Vortex problem Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:28:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2791E.F3371B90" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2791E.F3371B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>my Vortex started to act strangely.......... Could it be a battery problem (if yes, I hope it's easy to change the battery in this thing)?<< sounds like it. funnily enough, I fired mine up last night for the first time in maybe five years, and although it all seem to light up ok, there was a lot of noise on the input. I intend to inspect it a bit closer (and actually listen to it) this evening- if I get time, I'll whip the lid off and see if there's a lithium cell or (let's hope not) a novram in there. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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sounds like it. funnily enough, I fired mine up last nigh= t for the first time in maybe five years, and although it all seem to light= up ok, there was a lot of noise on the input. I intend to inspect it a bit= closer (and actually listen to it) this evening- if I get time, I'll whip = the lid off and see if there's a lithium cell or (let's hope not) a novram = in there.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2791E.F3371B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 13:09:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13136; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:08:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 13:08:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:07:47 +0200 Subject: Re: making a spectacle of yourself From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA13100 Resent-Message-ID: <6vvAlC.A.8MD.MSDt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com am 18.10.2002 9:21 Uhr schrieb Victor Nicholls unter victornicholls@mac.com: > Carsten Wegener said: > >> After five years of playing the same 60, simple folktunes/songs with just >> my good, old doublebass (and still finding new approach in a very detailed >> way of looking),I now come the point to have the freedom to really work on >> my performance. What i want to sayis this: The more complex the music your >> playing and the techniques you are using, the longer it will take to become >> a good musician and performer in the same time. For me the consequence will >> be trying to simplify my setup, my music. I believe this way I´ll naturally >> find an more audience-friendly way to perform my looping. > > > I think this is interesting. I only really started to tour reasonable sized > venues around Europe with a seven-piece jazz-folk band playing complicated > stuff in odd time signatures (5/4, 7/8 etc). It was where I had to learn > about stagecraft at the next level from pubs/college clubs. I dont remember > having to concentrate on getting the music right being a problem, ; all down > to being rehearsed properly. > > I do agree that having a complex set up can get in the way. One reason why > i'm reluctant to take out my rack is the fact that it can look cluttered, > and because I haven't found my own way to make this interesting visually. > Therefore, the DL4 gets more use than the JamMan/RDS. I'd love to know how > other people have found a way to incorporate their gear into their > performance in a way that looks interesting to the audience. > > v > I think that one of the important things about live-music is, that the audience has to have a chance to follow the action on stage. This is not too complicated with most music-styles. You can hear the direct result of what the musician´s doing. With elektronica or loopmusic it´s almost impossible for the technically uninvolved audience to see/hear a connection between the action and the sound. I think the looper has to develope something(for example some stupid lightbulbs with a different color for each button) to involve the listener, because a real great performance can only happen, when the audience is (or at least has the feeling of being) part of what´s happening. CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 14:49:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20641; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:43:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:45:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library In-Reply-To: <003d01c277e8$38b502a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <2B4IdB.A.OCF.OrEt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Doug, wow!, first I'd just like to thank you and all who've made this possible! I can't wait to see where we'll go with this... Secondly, I have a question. I just tried uploading a piece, and got a bad request screen. More specificallly, when I clicked on the directory link for whole songs from the files page, I got the bad request, and so I then tried clicking on the looping examples directory, but also got the same bad request page as a response. -Am I doing something wrong? Thanks a bunch, and thank you again for your effort and commitment! YOU ROCK! Smiles, CQ At 10:24 PM 10/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hi gang, > >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now up >and ready for use!!! > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > >What does all this mean? > >- This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of audio >samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools >- The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the discussions >that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio examples are >worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts >- The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. As the >library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories >- Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and upload >to the library >- Anyone can browse and download from the library >- There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very simple to >use. > >Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file library, so >you won't have to remember the link. > >We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying to >adjust and improve it as we go. > >Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will be a >huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our discussions >to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. > >Enjoy! > >Doug > > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 15:14:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23344; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:11:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:11:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021021120530.025627a0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:11:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Vortex problem In-Reply-To: <000a01c2791e$bd432830$0601a8c0@SATAN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:26 AM 10/21/2002, Rainer Straschill wrote: >Has anyone else encountered this kind of problem before? Could it be a >battery problem (if yes, I hope it's easy to change the battery in this >thing)? Vortex doesn't have a battery, it stores presets in an eeprom. I have no idea what's wrong with yours though, sorry. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 15:16:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23635; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP+ in France Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:17:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <147.cfe43a.2ae42303@aol.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_uXYxD.A.MxF.aJFt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ted, Kim has answered this already and I'd just like to add that the change in memory is just down to the fact that I am in complete control of parts purchasing for the EDP+ now. At Trace we had a buying dept and it was difficult to get them to stick to the component specs we gave them. It was always a battle against them getting 'deals' from various suppliers and the financial problems which resulted in the same parts coming from various other 'emergency' suppliers. In short, I can now closely specify a part, test it and then ensure continuity of supply. 4B SIMMs were very difficult to get for a while at sensible prices. Now there are companies in the US who manufacture new SIMMs to the customers spec, at a good price. I'm just about to order 2500 SIMMs, which will be built, tested and sent within 3 days. Incredibly, this means that the memory going into my pre-production boards may be less than a week old! I like that. As Kim said, there will be no need to open the EDP+ up, (until Loop 5 arrives :)) and there is no reason to change an existing EDP for a new one. The increased demand for the + model would be great for sales if we said you "simply have to upgrade", but we're not that sort of people :) -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: 20 October 2002 16:17 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP+ in France Andy, In a message dated 10/20/02 1:56:05 AM, andy.ewen@btinternet.com writes: >New memory SIMMs designed and built to our specifications. Does this mean that these units will still accept a pretty wide range of Mac-type simms? Or will it now be only compatible with some specific or (possibly) proprietary type of memory? And while we're on the topic . . . how much Ram will these new puppies come stuffed with? I suppose, a lot of us EDP owners are having at least faint passing thoughts as to whether there is any particular compelling reason to plan to go out and order the new units and put our old boxes on Ebay (or something) when these new units become available. Sounds like "not" from an end user standpoint . . . but just checking. Ciao, Ted Killian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 15:59:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26837; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:55:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:55:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: b1joir34@pop1.sympatico.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:55:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Brett Maraldo Subject: Logitech FS300 Footswitch Schematic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have gotten many requests for a schematic for an FS300 or equivalent footswitch, for things like the Electrix Repeater. I finally got it together for you! http://www.oldbmw.com/other/technojazz/FS300/ plexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 16:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30363; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:23:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:23:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:22:54 +0200 Subject: Repeaters in Europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have just found a posting on the Electrix forum that says that a few companies in Germany still have the Repeater in stock: - www.musik-schmidt.de (775 euros) - www.thomann.de (775 euros) - www.rockshop.de (795 euros) - www.musik-produktiv.de (795 euros) I can personally vouch for Thomann.de (their customer support is fantastic). -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 17:19:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02385; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:18:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:18:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Repeaters in Europe Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:18:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c27947$58e97910$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Resent-Message-ID: <1ZnY2B.A.nk.I8Gt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, I can second your opinion on Thomman, I didn't find the repeater listed in their online catalogue, though... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] > Sent: Montag, 21. Oktober 2002 22:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeaters in Europe > > > I have just found a posting on the Electrix forum that says > that a few > companies in Germany still have the Repeater in stock: > > - www.musik-schmidt.de (775 euros) > - www.thomann.de (775 euros) > - www.rockshop.de (795 euros) > - www.musik-produktiv.de (795 euros) > > I can personally vouch for Thomann.de (their customer support is > fantastic). > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 21:17:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21006; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:14:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:14:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c27968$e96894a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:18:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hiya CQ! Thanks for the nice words. I'm not sure what you mean by a "bad request" screen, but I definitely want to try to help. Can you be more specific about the error you saw, or even better take a screen shot of it and email it to me at dougcox@pdq.net? Second, did you check the file that you were uploading to ensure that it was 2MB or less? On some systems, if you attempt to upload a file that's too large, you can get an error screen. Lemme know! Sorry you had some trouble with the system. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > Hi Doug, wow!, first I'd just like to thank you and all who've made this > possible! I can't wait to see where we'll go with this... > Secondly, I have a question. I just tried uploading a piece, and got a > bad request screen. > More specificallly, when I clicked on the directory link for whole songs > from the files page, I got the bad request, and so I then tried clicking on > the looping examples directory, but also got the same bad request page as > a response. -Am I doing something wrong? Thanks a bunch, and > thank you again for your effort and commitment! YOU ROCK! > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 10:24 PM 10/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Hi gang, > > > >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now up > >and ready for use!!! > > > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > > >What does all this mean? > > > >- This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of audio > >samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools > >- The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the discussions > >that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio examples are > >worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts > >- The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. As the > >library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories > >- Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and upload > >to the library > >- Anyone can browse and download from the library > >- There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very simple to > >use. > > > >Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file library, so > >you won't have to remember the link. > > > >We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying to > >adjust and improve it as we go. > > > >Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will be a > >huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our discussions > >to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. > > > >Enjoy! > > > >Doug > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 21:47:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22665; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:44:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:44:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoe Keating at Slim's this Tuesday! Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:43:11 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2002 01:43:12.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[61997130:01C2796C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >[What] > >This Tuesday, October 22nd at Slim's, come see zoe play with: > > RASPUTINA > (with > Faun Fables and Stara Nova) > >8pm ... $14 > >Slim's is at 333 11th, between Folsom and Howard (San Francisco, SoMa). >More info here: http://www.slims-sf.com. > >[Why] > >964's own resident cello-goddess zoe is currently a touring member of >Rasputina. Anyone who saw her set with jhno at the recent "outsides" show >with flutist Matthias Ziegler, or at a looping festival, should leap at >the opportunity to see her immersed in her element... > >zoe's been on tour with the band that last few weeks and they're half way >through a grueling schedule (LA on Wednesday! Chicago on Oct 30!)... > >...I just know a good turn out of friendly faces would be sure to please. > >Rasputina is (and I quote) a "pseudo-classical, hard-core 'positive-goth' >cello band" consisting of three (!) cellos and a drummer: you can hear >some of their truly enjoyable tunes on their official site here, under >'audibles': > > http://www.rasputina.com/ > >They rock. They're fun. They wear AMAZING outfits. It's cellos, folks! >Rock and roll cellos! > >See you there! > > aaron > >PS Early warning, the next Field Effects at 964: Friday, December 13. > > ghede@well.com > http://www.quietamerican.org _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 23:06:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29701; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:05:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:05:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004801c27979$07c749e0$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> From: "Rob Wright" To: References: <000701c27248$2183e920$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: software loopers Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:13:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi folks: at the LD site, under tools of the trade, it refers to a number of software-based loopers. although most allow you to stack loops together, it seems to me that most don't allow the kind of real-time interactive looping that makes the hardware devices so popular. so i did a google search on "interactive software-based loopers" or some such, and came across an intriguing piece of freeware called ambiloop. downloaded it last night and have fiddled around a bit since. it looks very promising. offers 8 stereo loops of, it seems, almost infinite length. loops can be added on the fly. it allow half and double time, and reverse. there's also an FX and filter section. anyone out there tried it out? i'd be interested to hear what hardware loopers have to say about it. since i'm new to this and i don't own one yet, i'm not sure whether it has any serious lackings or not. here's the link: http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ rob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 23:31:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30719; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:26:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:26:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:25:44 -0400 Subject: Re: software loopers From: David Myers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c27979$07c749e0$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7NOEpD.A.lfH.8UMt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rob- Always a good idea when mentioning software to indicate the platform. Some of us Higher Beings who are Mac centric can get offended easily. Grrr! DLM on 10/21/02 11:13 PM, Rob Wright at rwright@ca.inter.net wrote: > hi folks: at the LD site, under tools of the trade, it refers to a number of > software-based loopers. although most allow you to stack loops together, it > seems to me that most don't allow the kind of real-time interactive looping > that makes the hardware devices so popular. so i did a google search on > "interactive software-based loopers" or some such, and came across an > intriguing piece of freeware called ambiloop. downloaded it last night and > have fiddled around a bit since. it looks very promising. offers 8 stereo > loops of, it seems, almost infinite length. loops can be added on the fly. > it allow half and double time, and reverse. there's also an FX and filter > section. anyone out there tried it out? i'd be interested to hear what > hardware loopers have to say about it. since i'm new to this and i don't own > one yet, i'm not sure whether it has any serious lackings or not. > here's the link: http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ > rob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 21 23:41:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31341; Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:37:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:37:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012901c2797b$20af68a0$94635cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #291 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:28:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_iDJVD.A.kpH.qfMt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #291 October 17, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on ambient guitarist Jeff Pearce, who played at The Gathering on the 19th. The Featured CD at midnight was "To the Shores of Heaven" on the Hypnos label. I will also conduct an interview by phone with Jeff. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "TONTO's Expanding Head Band" by Robert Margouleff and Malcolm Cecil on the Atlantic label. The show ran an extra five hours to celebrate the commencement of WDIY streaming audio on the net and to kick off the Fall Membership Drive. "Contemporary Works Volume 1 by Klaus Schulze was featured. PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Robert Margouleff and Cybernaut TONTO's Expanding Head Band Malcolm Cecil (Atlantic) Mike Griffin and Dave Fulton Telephone Interview Mike Griffin and Dark Observer The Most Distant Point Known Dave Fulton (Hypnos) Free System Projekt Naiad * Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) 12:00 am Jeff Pearce A Fading To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Sudden Light To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce From Cliffs of Departure To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce The Emergence To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Rain as a Metaphor To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Beyond and Within To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Veil of Lake Snow To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Angels of the Ocean Calm To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Doubt on Dark Waters To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce To the Shores of Heaven To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Reunions To the Shores of Heaven (Hypnos) 1:00 am Klause Schulze Vanity of Sounds Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) Klause Schulze Sacred Romance Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) Klause Schulze The Wings of Strings Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) 2:00 am VA [Rainbow Serpent] Desert Move Sequences No. 27 (Sequences) Klause Schulze Goold Old 4 On the Floor Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) Klause Schulze J.E.M. Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) 3:00 am Klause Schulze Overchill Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) VA [Fanger & Kersten] Tapedriver GoldTri: Volume One (Stonk) Klause Schulze Local Scanning Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) 4:00 am Klause Schulze Aphrodesire Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) Klause Schulze Clobal Midication Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) 5:00 am Tom Heasley Prelude On the Sensation of Tone (Innova) Klause Schulze The Keyhole Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) Klause Schulze Privat Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) Klause Schulze Privee * Contemporary Works 1 (Rainhorse) 6:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Jeff Pearce who uses the guitar to create synth-like soundscapes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Daylight Slowly" on the Hypnos label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Albedo 0.39" by Vangelis on the RCA label. I will play the music of artists who will be performing at upcoming Gatherings. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 01:35:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07110; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:33:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:33:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:35:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library In-Reply-To: <001301c27968$e96894a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, I actually didn't get to the point of uploading, as when I clicked on the link to display the directory, instead of displaying a particular directory's contents, I simply got a page in Netscape which gave a number code which was perhaps 404 and said bad request. I'll try it again this evening or early tomorrow and let ya know how it goes, or take a screen shot. Have a wonderful evening... Smiles, CQ At 08:18 PM 10/21/02 -0500, you wrote: >Hiya CQ! > >Thanks for the nice words. > >I'm not sure what you mean by a "bad request" screen, but I definitely want >to try to help. Can you be more specific about the error you saw, or even >better take a screen shot of it and email it to me at dougcox@pdq.net? > >Second, did you check the file that you were uploading to ensure that it was >2MB or less? On some systems, if you attempt to upload a file that's too >large, you can get an error screen. > >Lemme know! Sorry you had some trouble with the system. > >Doug >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Goddess" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:45 PM >Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > > >> Hi Doug, wow!, first I'd just like to thank you and all who've made this >> possible! I can't wait to see where we'll go with this... >> Secondly, I have a question. I just tried uploading a piece, and got a >> bad request screen. >> More specificallly, when I clicked on the directory link for whole songs >> from the files page, I got the bad request, and so I then tried clicking >on >> the looping examples directory, but also got the same bad request page as >> a response. -Am I doing something wrong? Thanks a bunch, and >> thank you again for your effort and commitment! YOU ROCK! >> >> Smiles, >> >> CQ >> >> At 10:24 PM 10/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >> >Hi gang, >> > >> >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now >up >> >and ready for use!!! >> > >> >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ >> > >> >What does all this mean? >> > >> >- This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of audio >> >samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools >> >- The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the discussions >> >that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio examples >are >> >worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts >> >- The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. As >the >> >library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories >> >- Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and >upload >> >to the library >> >- Anyone can browse and download from the library >> >- There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very simple >to >> >use. >> > >> >Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file library, so >> >you won't have to remember the link. >> > >> >We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying to >> >adjust and improve it as we go. >> > >> >Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will be >a >> >huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our >discussions >> >to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. >> > >> >Enjoy! >> > >> >Doug >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 02:06:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10277; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:05:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:05:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: making a spectacle of yourself Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 23:04:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c27990$f4fba820$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id CAA10231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After LoopStock (where I at lest tried to set my rack up sideways for some people to see) I realized how great it would be for video cameras capturing the musician's work areas to be installed/set up for shows like these with the video being projected live to screens/back of stage. Those who wanted to either know what was going on technically or simply see the action of the performers could. It sure would be nice if venues all had this as a standard. The cheapest way I can think of advancing this notion is exaggerated movement while performing. It might feel a bit contrived but I'll have to try it and see if the audience appreciates the show differently as a result! Cliff PS- Files section is great- way to go Doug- and thanks Kim- I uploaded a Rptr chop/slip example at the kind suggestion of Jon Wagner. www.om-studios.com >I think that one of the important things about live-music is, that the >audience has to have a chance to follow the action on stage. This is not >too >complicated with most music-styles. You can hear the direct result of what >the musician´s doing. With elektronica or loopmusic it´s almost impossible >for the technically uninvolved audience to see/hear a connection between >the >action and the sound. I think the looper has to develope something(for >example some stupid lightbulbs with a different color for each button) to >involve the listener, because a real great performance can only happen, >when >the audience is (or at least has the feeling of being) part of what´s >happening. >CW From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 02:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11712; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:36:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:36:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021022003810.00a017a0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 00:38:10 -0600 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Error info for Doug... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Doug, here is the text of the error page below... the number code was 400 This resulted when I clicked on a directory to open it. Have a great evening... Smiles, CQ Bad Request Your browser sent a request that this server could not understand. The request line contained invalid characters following the protocol string. Apache/1.3.26 Server at www.loopers-delight.com Port 80 --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 02:48:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12327; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:46:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:46:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Briscoe23@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:46:04 EDT Subject: please remove me To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3.2ac149b2.2ae64e2c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 180 Resent-Message-ID: <3J7jPB.A.RAD.2QPt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_c3.2ac149b2.2ae64e2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please remove me --part1_c3.2ac149b2.2ae64e2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please remove me --part1_c3.2ac149b2.2ae64e2c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 02:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13603; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:56:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 02:56:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:55:48 +0200 Subject: Re: software loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <004801c27979$07c749e0$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Message-Id: <4B86468C-E58B-11D6-8692-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: <0JowAD.A.YUD.UaPt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For software looping tools, the best that I have come across so far is Ableton's LIVE! It allows mixing of non-BPM matched loops... half/quarter/double etc. speed.... realtime pitch change... BPM from 10BPM up to 999BPM... Plugin effects... On the fly recording (it is possible to bounce hardware loops onto Live).... and many many more features. The Midi mapping feature is incredibly simple to use, as is basically the whole package :) I'm only just starting to use it with the Solostring project, but I have been using it for a while to produce sound-effects and music for an improvisational theatre group. There is a downloadable demo at http://www.ableton.com -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 05:24:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA22881; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:19:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:19:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:29:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2002 09:19:02.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FAC96A0:01C279AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just uploaded a file too, went like a dream, no probs, smooth as silk! Well done Doug for great design and functionality. I DID have to reduce the quality of my track considerably to fit withing the 2 meg limit, I hope this does not detract from your listening pleasure!!! :)) ...and fab track Goddess, you are quite a guitar hero! very cool technique with 505 pitching repeater... will be nicking this off you!!! Mark Red __________________ mark red www.mark-red.com mark@mark-red.com __________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 06:03:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA24772; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:55:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 05:55:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000301c279b0$120f6900$72fa883e@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <4B86468C-E58B-11D6-8692-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: software loopers Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:55:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'll second your endorsement of Ablrton Live. Though if you're in to real time processing of a "live" instrument in my book nothing touches Audiomulch. Im using a laptop runnning Audiomulch for instrument processing, loops, firing samples, reading midi information AND running a video projection on 31st in Cardiff, Wales. > For software looping tools, the best that I have come across so far is > Ableton's LIVE! > > It allows mixing of non-BPM matched loops... half/quarter/double etc. > speed.... realtime pitch change... BPM from 10BPM up to 999BPM... > Plugin effects... On the fly recording (it is possible to bounce > hardware loops onto Live).... and many many more features. > > The Midi mapping feature is incredibly simple to use, as is basically > the whole package :) > > I'm only just starting to use it with the Solostring project, but I > have been using it for a while to produce sound-effects and music for > an improvisational theatre group. > > There is a downloadable demo at http://www.ableton.com > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 06:36:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA27412; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:30:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:30:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <4B86468C-E58B-11D6-8692-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <000301c279b0$120f6900$72fa883e@GarethWhittock> Subject: Re: software loopers Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:40:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2002 10:29:46.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[F12795E0:01C279B5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please can you explain what you mean by "running a video projection" using Mulch? Or did I misunderstand you and you meant the laptop is running the projection??? Me heap big Mulch user... and agree its the best thing Ive found for live er... jamming/mulching of loops and er... stuff! mail me off list if its a bit non loopage... Mark Red __________________ mark red www.mark-red.com mark@mark-red.com __________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Whittock" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Re: software loopers > > I'll second your endorsement of Ablrton Live. > Though if you're in to real time processing of a "live" instrument in my > book nothing touches Audiomulch. > Im using a laptop runnning Audiomulch for instrument processing, loops, > firing samples, reading midi information AND running a video projection on > 31st in Cardiff, Wales. > > > For software looping tools, the best that I have come across so far is > > Ableton's LIVE! > > > > It allows mixing of non-BPM matched loops... half/quarter/double etc. > > speed.... realtime pitch change... BPM from 10BPM up to 999BPM... > > Plugin effects... On the fly recording (it is possible to bounce > > hardware loops onto Live).... and many many more features. > > > > The Midi mapping feature is incredibly simple to use, as is basically > > the whole package :) > > > > I'm only just starting to use it with the Solostring project, but I > > have been using it for a while to produce sound-effects and music for > > an improvisational theatre group. > > > > There is a downloadable demo at http://www.ableton.com > > -- > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 06:45:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA28084; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:43:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:43:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA80F@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Logitech FS300 Footswitch Schematic Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:34:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C279B6.8B5EF4A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C279B6.8B5EF4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have gotten many requests for a schematic for an FS300 or equivalent footswitch, for things like the Electrix Repeater. I finally got it together for you! http://www.oldbmw.com/other/technojazz/FS300/ plexus<< many thanks for this- diodes! of course! (kicks self repeater-ly) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>I have gotten many requests for a schematic for a= n FS300 or
equivalent footswitch, for things like the Electrix Repe= ater. I
finally got it together for you!

http://www.oldbmw.com/other/technojazz/FS300/

plexus<<

many thanks for this- diodes! of course! (kicks self repe= ater-ly)

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>>>I realized how great it would be for video ca= meras
capturing the musician's work areas to be installed/set = up for shows
like these with the video being projected live to screen= s/back of stage<<<

hey! I thought that was my idea! we did this at the alfa = festival in huizen, holland, a couple of years ago, with a dv camera aimed = across the stage and projected behind us. got the idea from the "alter= nate angle" football coverage offered by sky tv... plenty of coloured = lights too, and a guitarist who moves about a bit...

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C279B7.3FD07F80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 07:39:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31578; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:34:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, looks like this is a problem using Netscape with the library. I tried a few things this morning, but no luck. I'll be gone for 2 days, but will try to make things more compatible with Netscape when I return. CQ - I moved your file from the root directory into the Audio Examples. Until I fix it, you won't be able to get into the subdirectories with Netscape. If you have IE, please use it to get to everything. In the meantime, sorry for the inconvenience. People still use Netscape?? :) Just kidding. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:35 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > Doug, I actually didn't get to the point of uploading, as when I clicked > on the link to display the directory, instead of displaying a particular > directory's contents, I simply got a page in Netscape which gave a number > code which was perhaps 404 and said bad request. > I'll try it again this evening or early tomorrow and let ya know how it > goes, or take a screen shot. > Have a wonderful evening... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 08:18 PM 10/21/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Hiya CQ! > > > >Thanks for the nice words. > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by a "bad request" screen, but I definitely want > >to try to help. Can you be more specific about the error you saw, or even > >better take a screen shot of it and email it to me at dougcox@pdq.net? > > > >Second, did you check the file that you were uploading to ensure that it was > >2MB or less? On some systems, if you attempt to upload a file that's too > >large, you can get an error screen. > > > >Lemme know! Sorry you had some trouble with the system. > > > >Doug > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Goddess" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:45 PM > >Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > > > > > >> Hi Doug, wow!, first I'd just like to thank you and all who've made this > >> possible! I can't wait to see where we'll go with this... > >> Secondly, I have a question. I just tried uploading a piece, and got a > >> bad request screen. > >> More specificallly, when I clicked on the directory link for whole songs > >> from the files page, I got the bad request, and so I then tried clicking > >on > >> the looping examples directory, but also got the same bad request page as > >> a response. -Am I doing something wrong? Thanks a bunch, and > >> thank you again for your effort and commitment! YOU ROCK! > >> > >> Smiles, > >> > >> CQ > >> > >> At 10:24 PM 10/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> >Hi gang, > >> > > >> >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is now > >up > >> >and ready for use!!! > >> > > >> >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > >> > > >> >What does all this mean? > >> > > >> >- This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of audio > >> >samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools > >> >- The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the discussions > >> >that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio examples > >are > >> >worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts > >> >- The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. As > >the > >> >library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories > >> >- Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and > >upload > >> >to the library > >> >- Anyone can browse and download from the library > >> >- There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very simple > >to > >> >use. > >> > > >> >Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file library, so > >> >you won't have to remember the link. > >> > > >> >We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying to > >> >adjust and improve it as we go. > >> > > >> >Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will be > >a > >> >huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our > >discussions > >> >to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. > >> > > >> >Enjoy! > >> > > >> >Doug > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > >> > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 07:41:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA31893; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:37:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:37:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a601c279bf$e3259280$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:40:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ooops. Scratch that. Fixed it. Netscape doesn't like spaces in links. I renamed our directories with underscores instead of spaces. I could have forced the code to replace spaces with "%20"s, but that would have taken too much time, and I'm out of it. CQ and others - you should be able to Netscape now. Enjoy. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > OK, looks like this is a problem using Netscape with the library. I tried a > few things this morning, but no luck. I'll be gone for 2 days, but will try > to make things more compatible with Netscape when I return. > > CQ - I moved your file from the root directory into the Audio Examples. > Until I fix it, you won't be able to get into the subdirectories with > Netscape. If you have IE, please use it to get to everything. In the > meantime, sorry for the inconvenience. > > People still use Netscape?? :) Just kidding. > > Doug > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goddess" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:35 AM > Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > > > > Doug, I actually didn't get to the point of uploading, as when I clicked > > on the link to display the directory, instead of displaying a particular > > directory's contents, I simply got a page in Netscape which gave a number > > code which was perhaps 404 and said bad request. > > I'll try it again this evening or early tomorrow and let ya know how it > > goes, or take a screen shot. > > Have a wonderful evening... > > > > Smiles, > > > > CQ > > > > At 08:18 PM 10/21/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hiya CQ! > > > > > >Thanks for the nice words. > > > > > >I'm not sure what you mean by a "bad request" screen, but I definitely > want > > >to try to help. Can you be more specific about the error you saw, or > even > > >better take a screen shot of it and email it to me at dougcox@pdq.net? > > > > > >Second, did you check the file that you were uploading to ensure that it > was > > >2MB or less? On some systems, if you attempt to upload a file that's too > > >large, you can get an error screen. > > > > > >Lemme know! Sorry you had some trouble with the system. > > > > > >Doug > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Goddess" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:45 PM > > >Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > > > > > > > > >> Hi Doug, wow!, first I'd just like to thank you and all who've made > this > > >> possible! I can't wait to see where we'll go with this... > > >> Secondly, I have a question. I just tried uploading a piece, and > got a > > >> bad request screen. > > >> More specificallly, when I clicked on the directory link for whole > songs > > >> from the files page, I got the bad request, and so I then tried > clicking > > >on > > >> the looping examples directory, but also got the same bad request page > as > > >> a response. -Am I doing something wrong? Thanks a bunch, > and > > >> thank you again for your effort and commitment! YOU ROCK! > > >> > > >> Smiles, > > >> > > >> CQ > > >> > > >> At 10:24 PM 10/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >> >Hi gang, > > >> > > > >> >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is > now > > >up > > >> >and ready for use!!! > > >> > > > >> >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > >> > > > >> >What does all this mean? > > >> > > > >> >- This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of > audio > > >> >samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools > > >> >- The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the > discussions > > >> >that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio > examples > > >are > > >> >worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts > > >> >- The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. As > > >the > > >> >library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories > > >> >- Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and > > >upload > > >> >to the library > > >> >- Anyone can browse and download from the library > > >> >- There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very > simple > > >to > > >> >use. > > >> > > > >> >Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file library, > so > > >> >you won't have to remember the link. > > >> > > > >> >We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying > to > > >> >adjust and improve it as we go. > > >> > > > >> >Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will > be > > >a > > >> >huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our > > >discussions > > >> >to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. > > >> > > > >> >Enjoy! > > >> > > > >> >Doug > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> > > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > eachother. > > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > > >> > > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > >> > > >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > >> > > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > > -Then, anything is possible..." > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 10:36:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12885; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 07:38:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300008BD2@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4B86468C-E58B-11D6-8692-0003934B4712@solostring.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: software loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id KAA12846 Resent-Message-ID: <4T7T3C.A.9ID.EIWt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ableton is a great product, but, AmbiLoop is free... :) Ableton is like an improved Acid (which I love), where AmbiLoop is more like an EDP or Repeater... And while I don't see it reaching the feature list of Ableton any time soon, it is continuing to grow... -cpr (assistant ambillop code-monkey) >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:55:48 +0200 >Subject: Re: software loopers >From: Stuart Wyatt >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >For software looping tools, the best that I have come across so far is >Ableton's LIVE! > >It allows mixing of non-BPM matched loops... half/quarter/double etc. >speed.... realtime pitch change... BPM from 10BPM up to 999BPM... >Plugin effects... On the fly recording (it is possible to bounce >hardware loops onto Live).... and many many more features. > >The Midi mapping feature is incredibly simple to use, as is basically >the whole package :) > >I'm only just starting to use it with the Solostring project, but I >have been using it for a while to produce sound-effects and music for >an improvisational theatre group. > >There is a downloadable demo at http://www.ableton.com >-- >Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 10:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13480; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:43:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:42:20 +0200 Subject: Re: software loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DAB0A1300008BD2@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <77F762D6-E5CC-11D6-8692-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 04:38 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > Ableton is a great product, but, AmbiLoop is free... :) I'd love to see it in operation... but alas, I am an OSX freak :( -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 12:31:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22601; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:28:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:28:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021022162713.40237.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003d01c277e8$38b502a0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Super Doug, Thanks! bret --- Doug Cox wrote: > Hi gang, > > I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is > now up > and ready for use!!! > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > What does all this mean? > > - This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of > audio > samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools > - The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the > discussions > that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio > examples are > worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts > - The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. > As the > library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories > - Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and > upload > to the library > - Anyone can browse and download from the library > - There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very > simple to > use. > > Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file > library, so > you won't have to remember the link. > > We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying > to > adjust and improve it as we go. > > Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it will > be a > huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our > discussions > to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. > > Enjoy! > > Doug > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 12:54:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24331; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:53:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:53:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c279eb$459d3000$0101a8c0@o4z6b8> From: "Luigi Meloni" To: References: <000701c27248$2183e920$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> <004801c27979$07c749e0$1c478d18@4.hama2.on.cogeco.ca> Subject: Re: software loopers Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:51:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ambiloop is created by one of the list members: Christopher MacDonald Still haven't tried it as an realtime looper, but its features seem to me to be great. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Wright" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: software loopers > hi folks: at the LD site, under tools of the trade, it refers to a number of > software-based loopers. although most allow you to stack loops together, it > seems to me that most don't allow the kind of real-time interactive looping > that makes the hardware devices so popular. so i did a google search on > "interactive software-based loopers" or some such, and came across an > intriguing piece of freeware called ambiloop. downloaded it last night and > have fiddled around a bit since. it looks very promising. offers 8 stereo > loops of, it seems, almost infinite length. loops can be added on the fly. > it allow half and double time, and reverse. there's also an FX and filter > section. anyone out there tried it out? i'd be interested to hear what > hardware loopers have to say about it. since i'm new to this and i don't own > one yet, i'm not sure whether it has any serious lackings or not. > here's the link: http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ > rob > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 13:25:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28741; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:22:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:22:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:21:40 -0400 Message-ID: <1C7041B8F9E88F4BA1F23A63FC0CDACD3E02DE@engin-mail1.engin.umich.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? Thread-Index: AcJ573vguUTkDZOSRe28ziZq7ro35g== From: "Clark, Darcy" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA28682 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any chance Ambiloop might become a plugin (VSTi, DXi) ? I'd be stoked if I could add an Ambiloop instance into a plugin host like Audiomulch - hence combining it with other VSTs and weird routings etc... Darcy > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Roberts [mailto:cpr@musetrap.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:39 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: software loopers > > > Ableton is a great product, but, AmbiLoop is free... :) > Ableton is like > an improved Acid (which I love), where AmbiLoop is more like > an EDP or Repeater... > And while I don't see it reaching the feature list of Ableton > any time soon, > it is continuing to grow... > > -cpr (assistant ambillop code-monkey) > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 08:55:48 +0200 > >Subject: Re: software loopers > >From: Stuart Wyatt > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > >For software looping tools, the best that I have come across > so far is > > >Ableton's LIVE! > > > >It allows mixing of non-BPM matched loops... > half/quarter/double etc. > >speed.... realtime pitch change... BPM from 10BPM up to 999BPM... > >Plugin effects... On the fly recording (it is possible to bounce > >hardware loops onto Live).... and many many more features. > > > >The Midi mapping feature is incredibly simple to use, as is > basically > >the whole package :) > > > >I'm only just starting to use it with the Solostring project, but I > >have been using it for a while to produce sound-effects and > music for > >an improvisational theatre group. > > > >There is a downloadable demo at http://www.ableton.com > >-- > >Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 13:54:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30318; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:50:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:50:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021022115237.0090c290@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:52:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library In-Reply-To: <00a601c279bf$e3259280$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Doug, thanks, it seems to work now, so cool beans! I have a request though, as you may know, I need to use a screen reader to view the webpage, and since it's speech based, and not graphical, the links for modifying the files and downloading don't show up for me. The only way I found them at all was by guessing at them, as my screen reader reads the entire url as I tab to it. So I have to tab through the entire list of links on the page when it comes to those which don't show up, and gleen from the url which link I'm on, unless there's a text lable. Would this be a problem to add?, I hope not, but if it is, I'll try to fanagle it if I have to. Thanks a bunch for getting it to work! Have a wonderful day!... Smiles, CQ At 06:40 AM 10/22/02 -0500, you wrote: >Ooops. Scratch that. Fixed it. > >Netscape doesn't like spaces in links. I renamed our directories with >underscores instead of spaces. I could have forced the code to replace >spaces with "%20"s, but that would have taken too much time, and I'm out of >it. > >CQ and others - you should be able to Netscape now. Enjoy. > >Doug >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Cox" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:34 AM >Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > > >> OK, looks like this is a problem using Netscape with the library. I tried >a >> few things this morning, but no luck. I'll be gone for 2 days, but will >try >> to make things more compatible with Netscape when I return. >> >> CQ - I moved your file from the root directory into the Audio Examples. >> Until I fix it, you won't be able to get into the subdirectories with >> Netscape. If you have IE, please use it to get to everything. In the >> meantime, sorry for the inconvenience. >> >> People still use Netscape?? :) Just kidding. >> >> Doug >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Goddess" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:35 AM >> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library >> >> >> > Doug, I actually didn't get to the point of uploading, as when I >clicked >> > on the link to display the directory, instead of displaying a particular >> > directory's contents, I simply got a page in Netscape which gave a >number >> > code which was perhaps 404 and said bad request. >> > I'll try it again this evening or early tomorrow and let ya know how >it >> > goes, or take a screen shot. >> > Have a wonderful evening... >> > >> > Smiles, >> > >> > CQ >> > >> > At 08:18 PM 10/21/02 -0500, you wrote: >> > >Hiya CQ! >> > > >> > >Thanks for the nice words. >> > > >> > >I'm not sure what you mean by a "bad request" screen, but I definitely >> want >> > >to try to help. Can you be more specific about the error you saw, or >> even >> > >better take a screen shot of it and email it to me at dougcox@pdq.net? >> > > >> > >Second, did you check the file that you were uploading to ensure that >it >> was >> > >2MB or less? On some systems, if you attempt to upload a file that's >too >> > >large, you can get an error screen. >> > > >> > >Lemme know! Sorry you had some trouble with the system. >> > > >> > >Doug >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Goddess" >> > >To: >> > >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:45 PM >> > >Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library >> > > >> > > >> > >> Hi Doug, wow!, first I'd just like to thank you and all who've made >> this >> > >> possible! I can't wait to see where we'll go with this... >> > >> Secondly, I have a question. I just tried uploading a piece, and >> got a >> > >> bad request screen. >> > >> More specificallly, when I clicked on the directory link for whole >> songs >> > >> from the files page, I got the bad request, and so I then tried >> clicking >> > >on >> > >> the looping examples directory, but also got the same bad request >page >> as >> > >> a response. -Am I doing something wrong? Thanks a bunch, >> and >> > >> thank you again for your effort and commitment! YOU ROCK! >> > >> >> > >> Smiles, >> > >> >> > >> CQ >> > >> >> > >> At 10:24 PM 10/19/02 -0500, you wrote: >> > >> >Hi gang, >> > >> > >> > >> >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is >> now >> > >up >> > >> >and ready for use!!! >> > >> > >> > >> >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ >> > >> > >> > >> >What does all this mean? >> > >> > >> > >> >- This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of >> audio >> > >> >samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools >> > >> >- The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the >> discussions >> > >> >that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio >> examples >> > >are >> > >> >worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts >> > >> >- The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. >As >> > >the >> > >> >library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories >> > >> >- Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and >> > >upload >> > >> >to the library >> > >> >- Anyone can browse and download from the library >> > >> >- There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very >> simple >> > >to >> > >> >use. >> > >> > >> > >> >Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file >library, >> so >> > >> >you won't have to remember the link. >> > >> > >> > >> >We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying >> to >> > >> >adjust and improve it as we go. >> > >> > >> > >> >Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it >will >> be >> > >a >> > >> >huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our >> > >discussions >> > >> >to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. >> > >> > >> > >> >Enjoy! >> > >> > >> > >> >Doug >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> --- >> > >> >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >> eachother. >> > >> -Then, anything is possible..." >> > >> >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> > >> >> > >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> > >> >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and >eachother. >> > -Then, anything is possible..." >> > >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates >> > >> > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. >> > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe >> > >> > >> > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 14:17:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02239; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:17:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:17:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021022121916.00b6f140@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:19:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mark said, ...and fab track Goddess, you are quite a guitar hero! very cool technique with 505 pitching repeater... will be nicking this off you!!! Thanks Mark, you're too kind! Yes, I like the pitch function a whole lot. You can also record a loop as it's being pitched which is also way cool! -Anyway, nick away!, K? I'll try to download your tune if the links will be nice and show up for me. Have an awesome day!... Smiles, CQ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 15:10:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07281; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:09:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:09:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01d401c279fe$4c973ff0$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021022121916.00b6f140@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Hi & Introduction Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:07:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Group, I'm Paul Marshall from Bangor in N Ireland. I subscribed a few days ago and this is my first post. I have been lurking since to get a feel for the group and this certainly is a busy and quite technical group, great! I love learning :) I'm a jack of many trades for a living, a bit of sound art, some 'composition', performance work (multi-percussion), teaching, technician + other stuff :). I am a friend of Rick Walker's (well as much of a friend as you can be on the 'net) and co-founder & moderator of the junkmusic discussion group which some of you may be members of, I'm the creator of www.drumdojo.com and sometime contributor to www.Rhythmweb.com. Drummers amongst you may know me from Framedrummer, Bodhrani, Bodhran makers, Goblet, Cylindrical, RMMPHD, RMMP and other percussive places on the web. Phew Glad to get all that out of the way I use VST quite a bit (I'm still on 4.1 for Mac but it's legit :) and most of my looping experience has been in that framework where you have time to make it all 'just so', I have been keen to get into live looping for quite a while now and on Rick's suggestion, I purchased a DL-4 and my is she purdy! I just got an adaptor today after running it on batteries for a while so I'm about to get stuck in to experimenting for real. As you may be able to gather from my instrumental leanings, most of the input sources will be acoustic, I have found that this is clunky when crossing the loop-line or when dropping in a phrase from a 'running' start, I saw some material about not playing across the line but that's difficult with instruments such as didjeridu or anything with a continuous pattern. Are there any tips? I have a million and one more questions for now but most will be ironed out by a wee bit of experimenting and some research on the web, again any steers on where to look would be grand. I have the LD site as a favourite already. Anyway I just wanted to throw my chapeau into the ring as it were and to say hiya to everyone I know and those I don't yet know, I'm not one for lurking much so I'll be participating at a level which my technical skills allow, tech wizards please be patient :) I *will* plug the junkmusic yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkmusic for anyone who is interested in alternative sound sources for looping or just for fun, our remit there is wide enough to include some elements of looping and Rick is full of suggestions on both the junk and looping fronts. My website is at www.powerhaus.net, I'm fighting with my ISP to get the most recent updates viewable so it may be somewhat out of date unless they have come through today. Apologies for the length of this post, I'm usually too rushed to be concise but I'll make an effort :) Where I come from, a looper is a madman or madwoman, I'll make my own mind up about that one :) LOL Thanks for making such a great group available and I look forward to years of happy looping. Keep her lit, lit, lit, lit..... Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 15:36:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08657; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:33:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:33:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005a01c27a01$c3775990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021022121916.00b6f140@pop.earthlink.net> <01d401c279fe$4c973ff0$0100a8c0@paul> Subject: Re: Hi & Introduction Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:32:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Paul! Welcome! (Good intro, BTW.) > As you may be able to gather from my instrumental leanings, most of the > input sources will be acoustic, I have found that this is clunky when > crossing the loop-line or when dropping in a phrase from a 'running' start, > I saw some material about not playing across the line but that's difficult > with instruments such as didjeridu or anything with a continuous pattern. > Are there any tips? Depends on what you're trying to do, but here's something that works for me (and my didj): 1) Hold the bell end of the didj far away from the mic. 2) Hit RECORD, then start playing the didj. 3) Move the bell end of the didj into your normal playing position by the mic. 4) End the recording by hitting OVERDUB. That is, go into OVERDUB directly from record. 5) Move the bell end of the didj away from the mic. So steps 1-3 fade-in the didj and steps 4,5 fade-out the didj. Which should eliminate the clunk or bump at the loop point. I use an EDP so you may have to modify this some for the DL4, but I think it will still work. > Where I come from, a looper is a madman or madwoman... Yep, I'd say that pretty much covers us! Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 15:38:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08768; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:35:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:35:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <94.2ea9b827.2ae7023e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:34:22 EDT Subject: Re: Hi & Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_94.2ea9b827.2ae7023e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_94.2ea9b827.2ae7023e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/22/02 3:10:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@powerhaus.net writes: > www.powerhaus.net > welcome paul.....great site.....michael --part1_94.2ea9b827.2ae7023e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/22/02 3:10:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, paul@powerhaus.net writes:


www.powerhaus.net


welcome paul.....great site.....michael
--part1_94.2ea9b827.2ae7023e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 15:39:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09025; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <136.15f019fc.2ae70298@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:35:52 EDT Subject: Re: Hi & Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_136.15f019fc.2ae70298_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_136.15f019fc.2ae70298_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/22/02 3:33:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes: > 4) End the recording by hitting OVERDUB. That is, go into OVERDUB directly > from record. > this is a good trick on the boomerang also.....michael --part1_136.15f019fc.2ae70298_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/22/02 3:33:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dennis@mail.worldserver.com writes:


4) End the recording by hitting OVERDUB.  That is, go into OVERDUB directly
from record.


this is a good trick on the boomerang also.....michael
--part1_136.15f019fc.2ae70298_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 15:57:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09896; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:54:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:54:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:53:24 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Hi & Introduction To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029101c27a04$b0983c60$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021022121916.00b6f140@pop.earthlink.net> <01d401c279fe$4c973ff0$0100a8c0@paul> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi Group, > > I'm Paul Marshall from Bangor in N Ireland. >... welcome. >... > My website is at www.powerhaus.net, I'm fighting with my ISP to get the most > recent updates viewable so it may be somewhat out of date unless they have > come through today. > cool. how about some audio examples of your stuff? (i realize this may be an odd request from someone who has nothing online yet, but i still wanna hear) > ... > Where I come from, a looper is a madman or madwoman, I'll make my own mind > up about that one :) LOL >... before i added it to my dictionary, my email program always wanted to change "looper" to "loopier" so who's the loopier looper? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 16:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11634; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:01:14 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02bc01c27a05$c9db8ff0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009701c27093$f35cbdc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00fa01c270a3$52842f90$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com sorry for bringing up an old ot post... i found something called an ocean harp for $250 here: http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/LarkNet/Percussion i tried looking elswhere but haven't found anything else. anybody tried this? how does it compare to the original waterphone? i'm sure most of you would think it is evil to bypass the original inventor, especially given his rather harsh words on the subject, but his patent expired a decade ago, and $1000 seems pretty steep, so i don't really have any qualms about that... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 16:21:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13271; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:20:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:20:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DB5B223.EDCDFDC3@ubuibi.org> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:16:36 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Dimuzio Subject: ub visits Chris Cutler/Thomas Dimuzio on kpfa tonight References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > here's your no other radio warning tonight at 11:59 on kpfa or kpfa.org for streaming chris says he wants to talk about bush.....could get incendiary.... > > > CHRIS CUTLER Percussion and Electronics > http://www.ccutler.com > > At the start of the seventies, he co-founded The Ottawa Music Co. > with Dave Stewart, a 22 piece Rock composer's orchestra, and > eventually joined British experimental group Henry Cow, with whom he > toured, recorded and worked in dance and theatre projects for the > next eight years. He went on to co-found a series of mixed national > groups: Art Bears, News from Babel, Cassiber, The (ec) Nudes, P53 and > The Science Group and was a permanent member of American bands Pere > Ubu, Hail and The Wooden Birds. Apart from a succession of special > projects he works regularly with John Rose, Fred Frith, Zeena > Parkins, David Thomas, Iancu Dumitrescu, Peter Blegvad and Stevan > Tickmayer - and performs widely as a soloist with his extended > electric kit. He also founded and runs the independent label and > distribution service ReR/Recommended, edits the New Music magazine > Unfiled and is author of the theoretical book File Under Popular - as > well as numerous articles and papers published in 14 languages. He > lectures intermittently on theoretical and music related topics and > has appeared on over 120 recordings. > > Recent projects include Radio pieces with Lutz Glandien and Shelly > Hirsch, Timescales for Quartet and calculated pulses, a live > Soundtrack for several movies, Life On Earth for the Hyperion > Ensemble and Signe de Trois - a music theatre piece with Stevan > Tickmayer and Marie Goyette. He is currently running a daily year > long soundscape project for Resonance FM Radio in London. > > THOMAS DIMUZIO Live Sampling and Processing > http://www.thomasdimuzio.com > > San Francisco-based Dimuzio is one of those unsung artistic figures > whose influence and abilities have substantially outstripped his > visibility. Composer, multi-instrumentalist, sound designer, > experimental electronic musician, collaborator and recording studio > owner - Dimuzio has been busy doing his thing(s) since the late > 1980's, but is still only known to a small circle of electronic music > enthusiasts. A true sonic alchemist who can seemingly create music > events out of almost anything, Dimuzio's listed sound sources on his > various CDs include everything from "modified 10 speed bicycle" and > "resonating water pipe" to short-wave radios, loops, samplers and > even normal instruments such as clarinet and trumpet. And while his > wide range of musical interests make it impossible to pin a label on > him, Dimuzio clearly has an insider's knowledge of older experimental > musical forms such as musique concrete and electroacoustic, as well > as more current ambient-industrial, noise and post-techno styles. > > As a collaborator, he has contributed to numerous artists and > ensembles, such as 5uu's, Chris Cutler, Fred Frith, Tom Cora, C.W. > Vrtacek, Dan Burke, Due Process, Wobbly, Solid Eye and Paul > Haslinger, and has toured North America and Europe as a solo act. His > solo CD releases include 1997's double CD Sonicism, the recently > remastered and reissued HEADLOCK, early cassette works compiled on > Louden, and Markoff Process, from 1994. Current projects include > Dimuzio's forthcoming Gench/Asphodel release, Mono::Poly and > Uncertain Symmetry with David Lee Myers (aka Arcane Device) on Korm > Plastics. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 16:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13704; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:25:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:25:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007101c27a09$09be8390$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <009701c27093$f35cbdc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00fa01c270a3$52842f90$080210ac@jpalmer> <02bc01c27a05$c9db8ff0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:24:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Oceanharp sure looks like a waterphone to me! I'll bet it sounds like one, too, but I've never tried it. [soapbox material here]: Actually, given that his patent expired, I think it's fine to bypass the original inventor. Patents were never intended to last forever (Mickey notwithstanding). Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 16:54:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16528; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:52:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:52:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 15:52:17 -0500 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: copyright,trademark, patent etc. (was OT- Waterphone Question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <033601c27a0c$e87d57c0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009701c27093$f35cbdc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00fa01c270a3$52842f90$080210ac@jpalmer> <02bc01c27a05$c9db8ff0$080210ac@jpalmer> <007101c27a09$09be8390$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > [soapbox material here]: Actually, given that his patent expired, I think > it's fine to bypass the original inventor. Patents were never intended to > last forever (Mickey notwithstanding). > > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com > yes, it's interesting that corporations have sort of hijacked copyright, which was also not intended to last forever. i remember a discussion i had in college with a visiting composer who was outraged that disney had used 'rite of spring' against stravinsky's will. supposedly, after he refused to grant permission, they just waited for the copyright to expire. funny how it's disney that is at the center of the copyright extension debate... i think that copyright should work more like patents. i read a blog the other day where a photographer (i've forgotten who - will look for it if anyone is interested) suggested a fixed 30 year expiration on copyright. sounds like a great idea to me... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 18:04:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23474; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:03:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:03:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c27a16$afb96ff0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <009701c27093$f35cbdc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00fa01c270a3$52842f90$080210ac@jpalmer> <02bc01c27a05$c9db8ff0$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:48:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2002 22:00:52.0340 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CEA6340:01C27A16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I realize you only referenced larkinam.com because they had a similar instrument to the waterphone, but I thought I'd issue a warning. I would strongly advise buying anything from Lark In The Morning. Sure, they've got a neat couple of shops on the west coast that are kind of fun to stop in and play with stuff. However, many of their musical equipment is very cheap and shoddy, which is probably the case when it comes to this "ocean harp" you found. I took a knowledgeable friend into their Seattle store once to check out a set of tablas and he didn't approve at all. Their didges are also second rate too from personal experience. They've got a ton of stuff in their catalogue but they seem to get all their instruments from a select few international mass producers instead of authentic instrument-smiths. Sorry for continuing the OT discussion. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question > sorry for bringing up an old ot post... > > i found something called an ocean harp for $250 here: > http://www.larkinam.com/MenComNet/Business/Retail/LarkNet/Percussion > > i tried looking elswhere but haven't found anything else. > anybody tried this? > how does it compare to the original waterphone? > > i'm sure most of you would think it is evil to bypass the original inventor, > especially given his rather harsh words on the subject, > but his patent expired a decade ago, > and $1000 seems pretty steep, > so i don't really have any qualms about that... > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 18:22:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24498; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:21:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:21:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c27a19$45b472a0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> From: "Dennis Leas" To: References: <009701c27093$f35cbdc0$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> <00fa01c270a3$52842f90$080210ac@jpalmer> <02bc01c27a05$c9db8ff0$080210ac@jpalmer> <002f01c27a16$afb96ff0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:20:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, not to just be contrary, but I've bought lots of things from Lark in the Morning and recommend them. Yes, they have a number of cheap, poorly made items. They also have a number of top-quality items. I would never buy tablas or euc didjs from them. I think there are many better, less expensive sources. On the other hand, I have bought a number of wonderful singing bowls, gongs, dumbeks, shakers, whistles, etc from them. You *definitely* should be aware of what you're buying, both price and availability. To me, the main advantage of Lark in the Morning is their variety. (Their prices are generally higher than more "targeted" stores, though not always.) For example, I needed a Jew's harp in a specific key. Rather than spending a lot of time shopping around, I found one at Lark in AM and had it in a few days. And it was the highest quality one I'd every seen (not that I've seen *that* many). Cool! They have a good return policy for mail-orders, which I have used in the past. Just my $0.02 (USD) worth... Dennis Leas ------------------- dennis@mail.worldserver.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "nicholson_matt" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Re: OT- Waterphone Question > I realize you only referenced larkinam.com because they had a similar > instrument to the waterphone, but I thought I'd issue a warning. I would > strongly advise buying anything from Lark In The Morning. Sure, they've got > a neat couple of shops on the west coast that are kind of fun to stop in and > play with stuff. However, many of their musical equipment is very cheap and > shoddy, which is probably the case when it comes to this "ocean harp" you > found. I took a knowledgeable friend into their Seattle store once to check > out a set of tablas and he didn't approve at all. Their didges are also > second rate too from personal experience. They've got a ton of stuff in > their catalogue but they seem to get all their instruments from a select few > international mass producers instead of authentic instrument-smiths. Sorry > for continuing the OT discussion. > > -- Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 19:24:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31142; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:23:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:23:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021022232324.89862.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Review: East meets West Looping Festival 10/13/02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004201c272f1$82923560$4d62f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a quick note to post about my experience at this fine event. Sorry for the delay, but I was out of town and without Internet access all last week and came home to find several hundred l-d messages awaiting me... Although the turnout was disappointing (there were maybe 8-10 people in the audience...), the performances were very nice and I had a great time meeting and talking with Michael, Rick, and Sunao. It was interesting how loops were employed by all three of these musicians, yet the approach, and the musical styles which emerged, were so wildly different. Shows that it's not the tool, but the musician. I got a lot of great ideas, and came away very encouraged and inspired. I thought several of the listmembers were from the Bay Area, so I was kind of expecting a loopers-delight contingency. Other then the performers, I think I was the only one. That was a little disappointing. Oh yes, and thanks for the CDs, Rick & Sunao! That excellent music made the rest of my stay in San Jose a lot more pleasant!! Michael wrote this about the event: > suano's music was wonderful, Yes, absolutely. Reminded me of an ocean, with washes of tone and texture. I just wish I could have seen what he was doing on the computer! > and rick was rick, always an inspiration as to what can be done in > this world of looping..... Absolutely agreed. And an encouragement to people's musicality in general. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 19:28:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31442; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:28:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:28:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021022232752.95120.qmail@web21303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:27:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Rick, checking in after the EAST meets WEST LOOPFEST To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01ce01c2750f$67b6fd00$2b61f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" wrote: > I had the dubious distinction of throwing up for 7 hours on the day of > the show > and wobbling onto stage and doing my set. Talk about looping...........the > inside of my > stomach was doing a rather constant internal analogue loop..........lol. Y'know, if you hadn't told me about that, I might not have known. It didn't seem to affect the quality of your performance. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 19:33:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31745; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:33:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:33:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021022233257.91621.qmail@web21309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: Slightly OT: mini hard disc recorders To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021018000303.008cf240@pop.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Goddess wrote: > Hi All, a while back the topic had come up about mini disc recorders, and > mini hard disc recorders for playing and recording mp3s or uncompressed > audio in the field. The two hd recorders I remember being mentioned were > the Archos Jukebox and the Nomad 3. I checked a few specs in a store this > evening, and though I seem to remember that it was mentioned that the > Archos could record in uncompressed (16 bit, 44.1 Khz) .wav format, it > doesn't list that as one of it's formats. The Nomad on the other hand, > does list .wav as a format, but doesn't list any more specs on it. This is > precisely what I'm looking for, and any info or suggestions anyone might > have on either of these or others, or MDRs as well, would be greatly > appreciated. If possible, a windows explorer type interface when dealing > with the pc would also be great as I'm not sure if the Nomad acts like > another hd when interfaced with the pc for file transfer. The Archos > apparently does. I was casually looking at these awhile back. I found it appealing that the Archos recorded directly to mp3, and that you could pull those directly out onto your computer. I guess recording with no compression to wav would be even nicer, but I was comparing this to a minidisc recorder, so I wasn't thinking in those terms. I also considered it a negative that it doesn't include a mic preamp (although the quality of mic preamps in portable devices is definitly questionable anyway). Nice amount of storage space and easy computer hookup. I could see this being a useful device. I read several online reviews of the Nomad which complained about how horrible it's PC link software was. I think one thing I read said it was noisy. That'd be par for the course with Creative's soundcards and stuff. Greg __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 20:10:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02585; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:10:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:10:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <02dc01c27a28$4b59c4d0$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021022121916.00b6f140@pop.earthlink.net> <01d401c279fe$4c973ff0$0100a8c0@paul> <005a01c27a01$c3775990$1fab82cc@mdbs.com> Subject: Re: Hi & Introduction Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:35:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Dennis and thank you for your warm welcome > Hi Paul! Welcome! (Good intro, BTW.) > > Depends on what you're trying to do, but here's something that works for me > (and my didj): :) > 1) Hold the bell end of the didj far away from the mic. > 2) Hit RECORD, then start playing the didj. > 3) Move the bell end of the didj into your normal playing position by the > mic. > 4) End the recording by hitting OVERDUB. That is, go into OVERDUB directly > from record. > 5) Move the bell end of the didj away from the mic. > > So steps 1-3 fade-in the didj and steps 4,5 fade-out the didj. Which should > eliminate the clunk or bump at the loop point. > Oh that's so smart. I hate that :) I'll try it tomorrow & let you know how I get on. Thanks. > I use an EDP so you may have to modify this some for the DL4, but I think it > will still work. I've no idea what an EDP is but it if this works I owe you a pint. :) > > Where I come from, a looper is a madman or madwoman... > > Yep, I'd say that pretty much covers us! same as everywhere else then. :) > Dennis Leas > ------------------- > dennis@mail.worldserver.com Thanks for the welcome Dennis. Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 20:18:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03052; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:18:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:18:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA826@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Hi & Introduction Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:13:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27A28.F35C7B00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27A28.F35C7B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've no idea what an EDP is but it if this works I owe you a pint. :) << does anyone remember that bit in "clueless" where silverstone's character screams "project!" the dl4 is going to open this same door for so many people, it's all the more heartbreaking that the repeater is no more, and the jam-man long gone. paul, you need to look at the site and see the other looping devices- the dl4 is just the beginning..... duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>I've no idea what an EDP is but it if this works = I owe you a pint. :) <<

does anyone remember that bit in "clueless" whe= re silverstone's character screams "project!"

the dl4 is going to open this same door for so many peopl= e, it's all the more heartbreaking that the repeater is no more, and the ja= m-man long gone. paul, you need to look at the site and see the other loopi= ng devices- the dl4 is just the beginning.....

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C27A28.F35C7B00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 21:21:32 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07820; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:20:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:20:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:18:56 EDT Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: <5HqiZB.A.c5B.kkft9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will second this request. If it is possible to make Ambiloop a VST plug, how about DXi next? Thanks, Marc In a message dated 10/22/2002 1:22:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, darcyc@engin.umich.edu writes: > Any chance Ambiloop might become a plugin (VSTi, DXi) ? I'd be stoked if I > could add an Ambiloop instance into a plugin host like Audiomulch - hence > combining it with other VSTs and weird routings etc... > > Darcy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 21:21:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07834; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:20:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:20:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DB5F8E5.C9AF9E80@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:18:31 -0700 From: Matt McCabe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: need collaborator in San Jose, CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm looking for anyone is the San Jose, CA area to jam/collaborate with. I need some help getting out of my creative slump. Anyone???? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 21:39:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09384; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:38:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:38:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:41:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300009AFE@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3DB5F8E5.C9AF9E80@earthlink.net> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: need collaborator in San Jose, CA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA09323 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt, South Bay Loopers Unite! :) I'm there for you dude... I'll send you my number offlist.. :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:18:31 -0700 >From: Matt McCabe >To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" > >Subject: need collaborator in San Jose, CA >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >I'm looking for anyone is the San Jose, CA area to jam/collaborate >with. I need some help getting out of my creative slump. Anyone???? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 21:43:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA09726; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:43:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:43:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 18:47:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300009B14@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id VAA09687 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure what you guys are asking for? A Rewire type thing where AmbiLoop would feed it's audio to another piece of software? or vice-versa? Or, the ability to host plug-ins within AmbiLoop? peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: RandomLFO@aol.com >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:18:56 EDT >Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > I will second this request. If it is possible to make Ambiloop a VST > >plug, how about DXi next? > Thanks, Marc > >In a message dated 10/22/2002 1:22:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >darcyc@engin.umich.edu writes: > >> Any chance Ambiloop might become a plugin (VSTi, DXi) ? I'd be stoked if >I >> could add an Ambiloop instance into a plugin host like Audiomulch - hence > >> combining it with other VSTs and weird routings etc... >> >> Darcy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 21:59:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10553; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:58:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:58:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <4e.134b0caa.2ae75c37@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:58:15 EDT Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello. If Ambiloop itself was a plug-in, Audiomulch, Plogue, Sonar, Cubase, etc., could be the host programs. Maybe the rewire approach would be the place to start, but ultimately to have Ambiloop as a plug-in with an individual output for each track would be very powerful. Marc In a message dated 10/22/2002 9:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > I'm not sure what you guys are asking for? A Rewire type thing where AmbiLoop > would feed it's audio to another piece of software? or vice-versa? Or, the > ability to host plug-ins within AmbiLoop? > > peace > -cpr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 22:56:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16293; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:55:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:55:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:59:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A1300009C02@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4e.134b0caa.2ae75c37@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA16267 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought plug-ins took an input, processed it, and then output a new signal... This is how I have always used them... But, maybe they can be signal generators... Can you point me to some that work like this... I think I would understand better with some examples to look at... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: RandomLFO@aol.com >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:58:15 EDT >Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Hello. If Ambiloop itself was a plug-in, Audiomulch, Plogue, Sonar, > >Cubase, etc., could be the host programs. Maybe the rewire approach would >be >the place to start, but ultimately to have Ambiloop as a plug-in with an > >individual output for each track would be very powerful. > Marc > >In a message dated 10/22/2002 9:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >cpr@musetrap.com writes: > >> I'm not sure what you guys are asking for? A Rewire type thing where >AmbiLoop >> would feed it's audio to another piece of software? or vice-versa? Or, >the >> ability to host plug-ins within AmbiLoop? >> >> peace >> -cpr > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 22 23:52:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19759; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:45:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:45:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <12c.199bd15a.2ae7755b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:45:31 EDT Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12c.199bd15a.2ae7755b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12c.199bd15a.2ae7755b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. Acting as a Signal Generator, a plug-in would then be a virtual instrument (DXi/VSTi). This is probably the direction you would want to go with Ambiloop. For a great example of DXi/VSTi, check out www.nativeinstruments.com. Unfortunately I don't do code. So I won't be much help there. However, there is a helpful list that has a lot of Plug-in creators subscribed to it called MusicDSP - music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu. Take care, Marc In a message dated 10/22/2002 10:56:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > I thought plug-ins took an input, processed it, and then output a new > signal... > This is how I have always used them... But, maybe they can be signal > generators... > Can you point me to some that work like this... I think I would understand > better with some examples to look at... :) > > peace > -cpr --part1_12c.199bd15a.2ae7755b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Hello. Acting as a Signal Generator, a plug-in would then be a virtual instrument (DXi/VSTi). This is probably the direction you would want to go with Ambiloop. For a great example of DXi/VSTi, check out www.nativeinstruments.com.
     Unfortunately I don't do code. So I won't be much help there. However, there is a helpful list that has a lot of Plug-in creators subscribed to it called MusicDSP - music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu.
     Take care, Marc

In a message dated 10/22/2002 10:56:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:


I thought plug-ins took an input, processed it, and then output a new signal...
This is how I have always used them... But, maybe they can be signal generators...
Can you point me to some that work like this... I think I would understand
better with some examples to look at... :)

peace
-cpr


--part1_12c.199bd15a.2ae7755b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 00:28:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23358; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:28:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 00:28:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000501c27a4b$75082880$14fd883e@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <4B86468C-E58B-11D6-8692-0003934B4712@solostring.com> <000301c279b0$120f6900$72fa883e@GarethWhittock> Subject: Re: software loopers Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 21:19:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yea, sorry - of course AM doesn't generate video. I'm running cthuga at the mome and this co-runs with AM nicely. Im looking into winamp thanks to some suggestions from Stephen Goodman - cheers steve! Gareth > Please can you explain what you mean by "running a video projection" using > Mulch? Or did I misunderstand you and you meant the laptop is running the > projection??? Me heap big Mulch user... and agree its the best thing Ive > found for live er... jamming/mulching of loops and er... stuff! > mail me off list if its a bit non loopage... > > Mark Red > __________________ > mark red > www.mark-red.com > mark@mark-red.com > __________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gareth Whittock" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: software loopers > > > > > > I'll second your endorsement of Ablrton Live. > > Though if you're in to real time processing of a "live" instrument in my > > book nothing touches Audiomulch. > > Im using a laptop runnning Audiomulch for instrument processing, loops, > > firing samples, reading midi information AND running a video projection > on > > 31st in Cardiff, Wales. > > > > > For software looping tools, the best that I have come across so far is > > > Ableton's LIVE! > > > > > > It allows mixing of non-BPM matched loops... half/quarter/double etc. > > > speed.... realtime pitch change... BPM from 10BPM up to 999BPM... > > > Plugin effects... On the fly recording (it is possible to bounce > > > hardware loops onto Live).... and many many more features. > > > > > > The Midi mapping feature is incredibly simple to use, as is basically > > > the whole package :) > > > > > > I'm only just starting to use it with the Solostring project, but I > > > have been using it for a while to produce sound-effects and music for > > > an improvisational theatre group. > > > > > > There is a downloadable demo at http://www.ableton.com > > > -- > > > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 01:33:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28022; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:31:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 01:31:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c27a54$ee50a7e0$610c500c@VAIO> From: "Will" To: References: <3DAB0A1300009C02@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:27:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C27A1A.41037840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C27A1A.41037840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a pretty good example of a new looping vst called "Elottronix" = at: http://www.arrakis.es/~elogoxa/principal.htm An ambiloop vst plugin along this line, with all of ambliloop's = features, would be great. Will ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C27A1A.41037840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a pretty good example = of a =20 new looping vst called "Elottronix" at:
http://www.arrakis.= es/~elogoxa/principal.htm
 
An ambiloop vst plugin along = this line,=20 with all of ambliloop's features, would be great.
 
Will
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C27A1A.41037840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 03:53:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06554; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 03:52:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 03:52:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.225.127.60] From: "mark francombe" To: References: <3DAB0A1300009C02@mta08.san.yahoo.com> <000b01c27a54$ee50a7e0$610c500c@VAIO> Subject: Further on the (goddess) repeater sequencing thang... Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:02:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0266_01C27A7B.441A3710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 07:51:27.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE019820:01C27A68] Resent-Message-ID: <1B3YU.A.HmB.hUlt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C27A7B.441A3710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Goddess =20 > Thanks Mark, you're too kind! Yes, I like the pitch = function >a whole lot. You can also record a loop as it's being pitched which is >also way cool! -Anyway, nick away!, K? I'll try to download your = tune if >the links will be nice and show up for me. Have an awesome >day!... =20 Your welcome Smiles, CQ One Question on this technique... I tried it at home using my groovebox = drummachine external sequencer... I found it pitched ANY repeater track = that was curently selected, NOT only if the pitch button was pressed, as = it says in the manual, but all the time??? Am i doing something wrong? To clarify whats happening, if I am sending midi on the right channel, = it pitches WHATEVER track is currently selected at all times, where I = took it to be that it would ONLY pitch a track IF the pitch button was = pressed and that track selected... Therfore you cannot actually overdub = anything onto a track that you DO NOT want pitched/sequenced... so = whassup wiv that??? Mark Red __________________ mark red www.mark-red.com mark@mark-red.com =20 __________________ ------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C27A7B.441A3710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Goddess 
 
><smile>   Thanks Mark, you're too = kind!  =20 Yes, I like the pitch function
>a whole lot.  You can also = record a=20 loop as it's being pitched which is
>also way cool!  -Anyway, = nick=20 away!, K?   I'll try to download your tune if
>the links = will be=20 nice and show up for me.   <smile>  Have an=20 awesome
>day!...  
 
Your = welcome

Smiles,

CQ
 
One Question on this technique... I = tried it at=20 home using my groovebox drummachine external sequencer... I found it = pitched ANY=20 repeater track that was curently selected, NOT only if the pitch button = was=20 pressed, as it says in the manual, but all the time??? Am i doing = something=20 wrong?
To clarify whats happening, if I am = sending midi on=20 the right channel, it pitches WHATEVER track is currently selected at = all times,=20 where I took it to be that it would ONLY pitch a track IF the pitch = button was=20 pressed and that track selected... Therfore you cannot = actually overdub=20 anything onto a track that you DO NOT want pitched/sequenced... so = whassup wiv=20 that???
 
Mark Red
__________________
       =  =20 mark red
 www.mark-red.com
 mark@mark-red.com =20
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------=_NextPart_000_0266_01C27A7B.441A3710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 04:48:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10726; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 04:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 04:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: Further on the (goddess) repeater sequencing thang... Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:47:06 +0200 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <001801c27a70$c50aa450$1d00a8c0@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C27A81.8894FAF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C27A81.8894FAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One Question on this technique... I tried it at home using my groovebox drummachine external sequencer... I found it pitched ANY repeater track that was curently selected, NOT only if the pitch button was pressed, as it says in the manual, but all the time??? Am i doing something wrong? To clarify whats happening, if I am sending midi on the right channel, it pitches WHATEVER track is currently selected at all times, where I took it to be that it would ONLY pitch a track IF the pitch button was pressed and that track selected... Therfore you cannot actually overdub anything onto a track that you DO NOT want pitched/sequenced... so whassup wiv that??? Mark Red __________________ Hi Mark, The manual gives different midi controller numbers for each repeater track. You have to send the right controller for the track you want to pitch. All the best Per Boysen ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C27A81.8894FAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
 
One Question on this technique... I = tried it at=20 home using my groovebox drummachine external sequencer... I found it = pitched=20 ANY repeater track that was curently selected, NOT only if the pitch = button=20 was pressed, as it says in the manual, but all the time??? Am i doing=20 something wrong?
To clarify whats happening, if I am = sending midi=20 on the right channel, it pitches WHATEVER track is currently selected = at all=20 times, where I took it to be that it would ONLY pitch a track IF the = pitch=20 button was pressed and that track selected... Therfore you cannot=20 actually overdub anything onto a track that you DO NOT want=20 pitched/sequenced... so whassup wiv that???
 
Mark Red
__________________
 
Hi Mark,
 
The manual gives different midi controller = numbers for=20 each repeater track. You have to send the right controller for the = track you=20 want to pitch.
 
All the best
 
Per=20 Boysen
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C27A81.8894FAF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 08:00:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24450; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:59:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 07:59:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003201c27a81$3435b4e0$b84c863e@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: Subject: Maxi Mouse amp Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:44:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C27A91.F1C102C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C27A91.F1C102C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, is there anybody out there who owns a Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi Mouse = battery powered amp ? And if so, would he/she tell me please the specs ( output voltage V and = power (m)A of its WH-40 charger ? I'm a guitarrist from Germany and I've bought a Maxi Mouse with the = charger missing. And since a) the amp is out of production, b) quite = rare in Germany and c) I coudn't use the American model,anyway, I would = like to build the charger myself. This info would be a great help for me, thanks in advance ! Leander ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C27A91.F1C102C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = everybody,
 
is there anybody out = there who owns a=20 Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi Mouse battery powered amp ?
And if so, would he/she = tell me=20 please the specs ( output voltage V and power (m)A of its WH-40 charger=20 ?
 
I'm a guitarrist from = Germany and=20 I've bought a Maxi Mouse with the charger missing. And since a) the amp = is out=20 of production, b) quite rare in Germany and c) I coudn't use the = American=20 model,anyway, I would like to build the charger myself.
 
This info would be a = great help for=20 me, thanks in advance !
 
Leander
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C27A91.F1C102C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 08:37:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25979; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:35:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:35:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c27a86$4cf49960$b84c863e@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: Subject: Maxi Mouse amp Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:21:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C27A97.0B1E9840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C27A97.0B1E9840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, is there anybody out there who owns a Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi Mouse = battery powered amp ? And if so, would he/she tell me please the specs ( output voltage V = and power (m)A of its WH-40 charger ? I'm a guitarrist from Germany and I've just bought a Maxi Mouse with = the charger missing. And since a) the amp is out of production, b) quite = rare in Germany and c) I coudn't use the American model,anyway, I would = like to build the charger myself. This info would be a great help for me, thanks in advance ! Leander ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C27A97.0B1E9840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = everybody,
 
is there anybody out = there who owns=20 a Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi Mouse battery powered amp ?
And if so, would = he/she tell me=20 please the specs ( output voltage V and power (m)A of its WH-40 = charger=20 ?
 
I'm a guitarrist from = Germany and=20 I've just bought a Maxi Mouse with the charger missing. And since a) = the amp=20 is out of production, b) quite rare in Germany and c) I coudn't use = the=20 American model,anyway, I would like to build the charger = myself.
 
This info would be a = great help for=20 me, thanks in advance !
 
Leander
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C27A97.0B1E9840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 08:52:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27064; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:51:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:51:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:51:07 +0200 Subject: Re: Maxi Mouse amp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--911791314 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c27a86$4cf49960$b84c863e@laptop> Message-Id: <18E2D10A-E686-11D6-BBB1-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-6--911791314 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed A manual for your amp can be downloaded at:=20 http://www.lectrosonics.com/manuals/manuals.htm However, there is no specs re: the charger. It might be worth writing=20 to them via the url http://www.lectrosonics.com/manuals/inforequest.htm=20= .... I doubt if there will be any problems for them releasing the specs. Good luck. It looks like a nice amp :) On Wednesday, October 23, 2002, at 01:21 PM, Leander Reininghaus wrote: > Hi everybody, > =A0 > is there anybody out there who owns a Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi Mouse=20= > battery powered amp ? > And if so, would he/she tell me please the specs ( output voltage V=20 > and power (m)A of its WH-40 charger ? > =A0 > I'm a guitarrist from Germany and I've just bought a Maxi Mouse with=20= > the charger missing. And since a) the amp is out of production, b)=20 > quite rare in Germany and c) I coudn't use the American model,anyway,=20= > I would like to build the charger myself. > =A0 > This info would be a great help for me, thanks in advance ! > =A0 > Leander > > --=20 Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com --Apple-Mail-6--911791314 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 A manual for your amp can be downloaded at: http://www.lectrosonics.com/manuals/manuals.htm However, there is no specs re: the charger. It might be worth writing to them via the url http://www.lectrosonics.com/manuals/inforequest.htm .... I doubt if there will be any problems for them releasing the specs. Good luck. It looks like a nice amp :) On Wednesday, October 23, 2002, at 01:21 PM, Leander Reininghaus wrote: = Arial0000,0000,FFFFHi everybody, =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFis there anybody out there who owns a Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi Mouse battery powered amp ? = Arial0000,0000,FFFFAnd if so, would he/she tell me please the specs ( output voltage V and power (m)A of its WH-40 charger ? =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFI'm a guitarrist from Germany and I've just bought a Maxi Mouse with the charger missing. And since a) the amp is out of production, b) quite rare in Germany and c) I coudn't use the American model,anyway, I would like to build the charger myself. =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFThis info would be a great help for me, thanks in advance = ! =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFLeander --=20 Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com --Apple-Mail-6--911791314-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 11:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09778; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:37:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:37:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 08:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A130000A400@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <12c.199bd15a.2ae7755b@aol.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA09704 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, I think I follow now... :) Thanks for everyones help on clarification... I know people have talked with Chris McDonald (the author of AmbiLoop) about this, but since I've started working with him on the project, we've not talked about it... He and I have both been really busy with work, so since the last release there hasn't been much movement on it... I've got a new architecture in place to allow some pretty cool things to be done via MIDI now, but I need to finish the GUI stuff... I'm not sure what he is planning to work on next, but I'll get with him on this and see if we can't get this implemented... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >From: RandomLFO@aol.com >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:45:31 EDT >Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Hello. Acting as a Signal Generator, a plug-in would then be a virtual > >instrument (DXi/VSTi). This is probably the direction you would want to go > >with Ambiloop. For a great example of DXi/VSTi, check out >www.nativeinstruments.com. > Unfortunately I don't do code. So I won't be much help there. However, > >there is a helpful list that has a lot of Plug-in creators subscribed to >it >called MusicDSP - music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu. > Take care, Marc > >In a message dated 10/22/2002 10:56:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >cpr@musetrap.com writes: > > >> I thought plug-ins took an input, processed it, and then output a new >> signal... >> This is how I have always used them... But, maybe they can be signal >> generators... >> Can you point me to some that work like this... I think I would understand >> better with some examples to look at... :) >> >> peace >> -cpr > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:01:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21533; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:00:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:00:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:59:24 EDT Subject: REASONable software looper question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: <6wNMPD.A.0OF.QOut9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, I understand there are some Propellerhead Reason users on the list. I'm contemplating taking the plunge into this here software thingy too. Can anybody elaborate on the "Recycle" based looper contained therein -- theoretically, practically, usefully? I'm a guitarist, Mac guy . . . be gentle (I scare easily). What might I be able to expect this puppy to be capable of -- or NOT capable of (more'n likely)? Best, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:02:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21536; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:00:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:00:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008501c27abd$87b52b00$b84c863e@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: <18E2D10A-E686-11D6-BBB1-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Subject: Re: Maxi Mouse amp Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:56:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0080_01C27ACE.45DF29E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C27ACE.45DF29E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stuart, thanks for the quick reply. Well, I've already found the manual ( which carries no info about the = charger ) and tried to contact Lectrosonics but got no reply.=20 Maybe one could find out with a measurement instrument. Anyway, thanks a lot ! Leander ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stuart Wyatt=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Maxi Mouse amp A manual for your amp can be downloaded at: = http://www.lectrosonics.com/manuals/manuals.htm However, there is no specs re: the charger. It might be worth writing = to them via the url http://www.lectrosonics.com/manuals/inforequest.htm = .... I doubt if there will be any problems for them releasing the specs. Good luck. It looks like a nice amp :) On Wednesday, October 23, 2002, at 01:21 PM, Leander Reininghaus = wrote: Hi everybody, =20 is there anybody out there who owns a Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi = Mouse battery powered amp ? And if so, would he/she tell me please the specs ( output voltage V = and power (m)A of its WH-40 charger ? =20 I'm a guitarrist from Germany and I've just bought a Maxi Mouse with = the charger missing. And since a) the amp is out of production, b) quite = rare in Germany and c) I coudn't use the American model,anyway, I would = like to build the charger myself. =20 This info would be a great help for me, thanks in advance ! =20 Leander --=20 Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C27ACE.45DF29E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stuart,
 
thanks for the = quick=20 reply.
 
Well, I've already = found the manual (=20 which carries no info about the charger ) and tried to contact = Lectrosonics but=20 got no reply.
Maybe one could find = out with a=20 measurement instrument.
 
Anyway, thanks a lot = !
 
Leander
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stuart=20 Wyatt
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, = 2002 2:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: Maxi Mouse = amp

A manual for your amp can be downloaded at: http://www.lectr= osonics.com/manuals/manuals.htm

However,=20 there is no specs re: the charger. It might be worth writing to them = via the=20 url http://www.l= ectrosonics.com/manuals/inforequest.htm=20 .... I doubt if there will be any problems for them releasing the=20 specs.

Good luck. It looks like a nice amp :)

On = Wednesday,=20 October 23, 2002, at 01:21 PM, Leander Reininghaus wrote:

Hi=20 = everybody,
 
is=20 there anybody out there who owns a Lectrosonics Mouse or Maxi Mouse = battery=20 powered amp = ?
And=20 if so, would he/she tell me please the specs ( output voltage V and = power=20 (m)A of its WH-40 charger = ?
 
I'm=20 a guitarrist from Germany and I've just bought a Maxi Mouse with the = charger=20 missing. And since a) the amp is out of production, b) quite rare in = Germany=20 and c) I coudn't use the American model,anyway, I would like to = build the=20 charger = myself.
 
This=20 info would be a great help for me, thanks in advance = !
 
Leander

--=20
Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) -=20 http://SoloString.com
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C27ACE.45DF29E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:21:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22621; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:19:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:19:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:18:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -5.2 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi all, > >I understand there are some Propellerhead Reason users >on the list. I'm contemplating taking the plunge into >this here software thingy too. Can anybody elaborate >on the "Recycle" based looper contained therein -- >theoretically, practically, usefully? I'm a guitarist, >Mac guy . . . be gentle (I scare easily). What might I >be able to expect this puppy to be capable of -- or >NOT capable of (more'n likely)? > Ted, I don't own Reason, but I have used it and recommend it to a lot of my clients who are new to sequencing. The great thing about Reason is that it's fun and you can get great results very quickly, unlike, say, Logic. Great interface, great sound, it's simply an awesome piece of software. I don't own a copy because I personally couldn't see much that I couldn't do with software/hardware I already own, plus I'm one of those eggheads that, when given a choice, tends to choose the most difficult path to just about anything. Recycle works by taking a loop and slicing it up into little pieces. Say you have a 1-bar drum loop where something happens on every 16th note. Recycle will slice it into 16 pieces, assign each slice to a midi note, then generate a midi file that plays back the notes in order, and when you play this midi file at the original tempo, the loop sounds just like the unsliced version. What's cool about this is that you can then play with the tempo, the order of the slices, etc, to generate variations on the original loops. Can be loads of fun! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:30:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23134; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:30:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:30:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002701c27ac2$1ad00640$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:29:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 18:28:00.0338 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA9F4B20:01C27AC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to clarify, Recycle is NOT included in Reason unless you're getting some sort of special bundle. Reason does include a module called Dr. Rex, which is a loop player for playing the loops you create in Recycle. Recycle itself is a really simple app in comparison to Reason. All it does is read wave or aiff files and allows you to "slice" the beats and trim up your loop. It can autodetect these beats, or you can slice them yourself, or you can divide by eighth notes. Before you save it to a .rex or .rx2 (stereo) file, you have to set the original tempo and number of measures I think... something like that. You can also add a few very basic effects to the loop before you save it, the most useful being the compressor/limiter/gate. The best feature of Recycle is that you can timestretch your loop by creating or removing time between the slices, with no effect on pitch. Recycle is not a performance application, it's merely an intermediate tool for creating loops for use in Reason or compatible samplers. Yes, you can dump from Recycle to your hardware sampler if it's supported. I have had zero luck dumping them to an EDP, but it wasn't essential at all for me. As for what happens next in Reason, you load the sample in Dr. Rex and each slice will be assigned to a different note. You can then add more effects to the sample, and sequence either the whole loop or resequence the loop itself note by note (slice by slice). Recycle is limited in its functionality, and it's not compatible with MacOS X. I would like to suggest an alternate but similar and more relevant product, it's called Ableton Live. Live has pretty much all the functionality of Recycle, but with a built in sequencer/arranger. It can read wav and aiff files, and I think it either has or will have mp3 support. You can edit loops, add VST effects, group them for triggering, and arrange them on-the-fly using drag and drop. Live also has Rewire support, which means you can specify an active session of Reason as one of your input sources. It has MIDI In/Out support so you can use your keyboard to trigger loops or groups of loops. Finally, you can quantize down to 32nd notes, and Live is smart enough to correct the timing of your key presses. I think Ableton Live would be the most appealing product of the three to you, although Reason is pretty badass in general just for all its different sequencers and synthesizers. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: REASONable software looper question > Hi all, > > I understand there are some Propellerhead Reason users > on the list. I'm contemplating taking the plunge into > this here software thingy too. Can anybody elaborate > on the "Recycle" based looper contained therein -- > theoretically, practically, usefully? I'm a guitarist, > Mac guy . . . be gentle (I scare easily). What might I > be able to expect this puppy to be capable of -- or > NOT capable of (more'n likely)? > > Best, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:38:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23677; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:36:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:36:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Paul Weissman" To: Subject: RE: REASONable software looper question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:31:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to clear a thing or two up... Reason and Recycle are separate programs made by the same company. Recycle is a very simple program that takes waves files and aids you in splitting them up into their rhythmic chunks by using an algorithm to do transient detection. Reason is a much deeper (but still very easy to use!) app that does many things, one of which is reading and manipulating Recycle generated files. They are absolutely great together, but you should know that this is not the kind of thing you can use in a live context... Reason does not have facility for working with audio input. However, it IS a great way to get involved with software sequencing and sampling and I would thoroughly recommend it as a first step. You can think of it this way... any amount you learn about the electronic music tools will translate into useful knowledge that will help you expand your capabilities as a looper. Looping is based on electronic music tools, why not learn about more of them? If you're interested in software for live application... I would suggest either NI Reaktor or Ableton Live. Reaktor is NOT for beginners. Live is probably great for anyone. Check it out at www.ableton.com. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@peak.org] > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question > > > >Hi all, > > > >I understand there are some Propellerhead Reason users > >on the list. I'm contemplating taking the plunge into > >this here software thingy too. Can anybody elaborate > >on the "Recycle" based looper contained therein -- > >theoretically, practically, usefully? I'm a guitarist, > >Mac guy . . . be gentle (I scare easily). What might I > >be able to expect this puppy to be capable of -- or > >NOT capable of (more'n likely)? > > > Ted, > > I don't own Reason, but I have used it and recommend it to a lot of > my clients who are new to sequencing. The great thing about Reason is > that it's fun and you can get great results very quickly, unlike, > say, Logic. Great interface, great sound, it's simply an awesome > piece of software. I don't own a copy because I personally couldn't > see much that I couldn't do with software/hardware I already own, > plus I'm one of those eggheads that, when given a choice, tends to > choose the most difficult path to just about anything. > > Recycle works by taking a loop and slicing it up into little pieces. > Say you have a 1-bar drum loop where something happens on every 16th > note. Recycle will slice it into 16 pieces, assign each slice to a > midi note, then generate a midi file that plays back the notes in > order, and when you play this midi file at the original tempo, the > loop sounds just like the unsliced version. What's cool about this is > that you can then play with the tempo, the order of the slices, etc, > to generate variations on the original loops. Can be loads of fun! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:47:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24170; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:46:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:46:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:49:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3DAB0A130000A9C6@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA24123 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've only recently started using Reason myself, but let me add just a little to what Dave said, when you pull a recycle file into the looper, you can trigger each of the slices individually. I forget the name of the button, but on the looper there is a button that will assign each of the slices, sequentially to a track in your sequence... This is a great way to get up and running with it... You can then go and edit that track to be a creation of your own... Let me know if you have any more questions... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:18:15 -0700 >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Dave Trenkel >Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >>Hi all, >> >>I understand there are some Propellerhead Reason users >>on the list. I'm contemplating taking the plunge into >>this here software thingy too. Can anybody elaborate >>on the "Recycle" based looper contained therein -- >>theoretically, practically, usefully? I'm a guitarist, >>Mac guy . . . be gentle (I scare easily). What might I >>be able to expect this puppy to be capable of -- or >>NOT capable of (more'n likely)? >> >Ted, > >I don't own Reason, but I have used it and recommend it to a lot of >my clients who are new to sequencing. The great thing about Reason is >that it's fun and you can get great results very quickly, unlike, >say, Logic. Great interface, great sound, it's simply an awesome >piece of software. I don't own a copy because I personally couldn't >see much that I couldn't do with software/hardware I already own, >plus I'm one of those eggheads that, when given a choice, tends to >choose the most difficult path to just about anything. > >Recycle works by taking a loop and slicing it up into little pieces. >Say you have a 1-bar drum loop where something happens on every 16th >note. Recycle will slice it into 16 pieces, assign each slice to a >midi note, then generate a midi file that plays back the notes in >order, and when you play this midi file at the original tempo, the >loop sounds just like the unsliced version. What's cool about this is >that you can then play with the tempo, the order of the slices, etc, >to generate variations on the original loops. Can be loads of fun! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:48:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24330; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:47:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:47:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002701c27ac2$1ad00640$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: <002701c27ac2$1ad00640$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:48:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Bill Frisell in GP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just wanted to let people know that there is a feature story on (and master class lesson with) Bill Frisell in the Dec. issue of Guitar Player. I just got my copy in today's mail. I figured some people here would like to know about it, since his name has come up recently. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:51:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24583; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:50:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:50:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:49:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 18:49:16.0332 (UTC) FILETIME=[E32C86C0:01C27AC4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hi all, > > I understand there are some Propellerhead Reason users > on the list. I'm contemplating taking the plunge into > this here software thingy too. Can anybody elaborate > on the "Recycle" based looper contained therein -- > theoretically, practically, usefully? I'm a guitarist, > Mac guy . . . be gentle (I scare easily). What might I > be able to expect this puppy to be capable of -- or > NOT capable of (more'n likely)? > The 'recycle' based looper isn't a looper at all -it's a drum loop sampler. It loads files, usually drumloops, created with the software recycle and allows you to trigger each section of the file via the sequencer. The big draws of Reason are the 'all in one' aspect of it, the 'eye candy' factor of the 'fake' rack, and the fact that it's cheap as this software stuff goes. People with limited experience and gear at their disposal can get nice sounds out of in seconds. It's become very popular with beginners and dabblers because of this, though the UI, while heavy on eye candy, is somewhat clunky for actual use, compared to the competition - particularly Cubase SX with VST plugins (which is a lot more expensive to boot). A lot of it's tools can only be programmed with a mouse, which is very frustrating, since would be extremely cool to use live, if only pre-programming the drum and step sequencer modules was easier. Also, it has no midi output, so you can't control other gear with it. I use it as a gigantic VST plugin on a couple of songs on my latest project, but if I hadn't gotten as part of a bundle of stuff I don't think I would have picked it up. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 14:58:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25049; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:58:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:58:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <71FED563EED4D311AE0C00A0C9916A8E09ACFD75@ksopsitexng.primediabusiness.com> From: "Zola, Joanne" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: REASONable software looper question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:56:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: <4xCAzD.A.1GG.kEvt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FYI. there will be a full length feature on Reason 2.0 in the upcoming December issue of Remix. Issues start mailing on Nov 15th. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan El-Bizri [mailto:ssrndpty@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question > Hi all, > > I understand there are some Propellerhead Reason users > on the list. I'm contemplating taking the plunge into > this here software thingy too. Can anybody elaborate > on the "Recycle" based looper contained therein -- > theoretically, practically, usefully? I'm a guitarist, > Mac guy . . . be gentle (I scare easily). What might I > be able to expect this puppy to be capable of -- or > NOT capable of (more'n likely)? > The 'recycle' based looper isn't a looper at all -it's a drum loop sampler. It loads files, usually drumloops, created with the software recycle and allows you to trigger each section of the file via the sequencer. The big draws of Reason are the 'all in one' aspect of it, the 'eye candy' factor of the 'fake' rack, and the fact that it's cheap as this software stuff goes. People with limited experience and gear at their disposal can get nice sounds out of in seconds. It's become very popular with beginners and dabblers because of this, though the UI, while heavy on eye candy, is somewhat clunky for actual use, compared to the competition - particularly Cubase SX with VST plugins (which is a lot more expensive to boot). A lot of it's tools can only be programmed with a mouse, which is very frustrating, since would be extremely cool to use live, if only pre-programming the drum and step sequencer modules was easier. Also, it has no midi output, so you can't control other gear with it. I use it as a gigantic VST plugin on a couple of songs on my latest project, but if I hadn't gotten as part of a bundle of stuff I don't think I would have picked it up. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 15:42:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28491; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:38:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:38:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7f.2e04a51b.2ae85477@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:37:27 EDT Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt, Thanks for the lengthy reply. In a message dated 10/23/02 11:31:00 AM, nicholson_matt@msn.com writes: >Reason is pretty badass in general just for all its different sequencers and >synthesizers. That is pretty much the reason I was thinkin' of getting it. Not as a loop player in particular. If it has one I am interested in that as a side interest only. I'm just trying to sus out what that loop player's capabilities are. Though I have not been especially happy with it in the long run I have "Phrazer" already as far a loop player is concerned. Plus I have 2 stand alone, hardware phrase samplers. I was just trying to learn what utility I might get out of what the "literature" was calling a "Recycle-related" loop player in Reason. >From what I hear, yes, Ableton Live is great. I wish it had been out when I'd bought "Phrazer." I'd be happier I'm sure. But that's not what I'm necessarily after at the moment. Best, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 17:54:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04935; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:44:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:44:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:43:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200210231743.AA4100980990@mail.unitcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Kevin Goldsmith" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: cool new looping CD X-Mailer: Resent-Message-ID: <5j9xaD.A.oMB.egxt9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At this moment, I'm listening to the new Bill Horist / KK Null CD, "Interstellar Chemistry." For those on the list into guitar avant-garde looping stuff, this is a pretty amazing record. Beta-lactem Ring put it out (www.blrrecords.com). I don't know what Null is using these days for his processing, Bill has been using a Jam Man for years, but I think he upgraded to a Repeater recently. I've got some streaming tracks from Bill's other CDs (also mucho looping) that I put out at: http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/audio/ Kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Goldsmith kevin@unitcircle.com Unit Circle Media http://www.unitcircle.com ------------------------------------------------------------- New From Unit Circle: Intonarumori - "Material" http://www.unitcircle.com/rekkids/releases/tUC075/ -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 19:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12327; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:01:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:01:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004c01c27ae7$f031ba20$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <7f.2e04a51b.2ae85477@aol.com> Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:00:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 22:58:51.0945 (UTC) FILETIME=[C155B990:01C27AE7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just to reiterate, the Dr. Rex loop player in Reason is really the method of making Recycle useful at all. The unfortunate thing about Recycle is that you can't rearrange loop slices within the application itself, that's something you can only do in Reason. When you load a Recycle loop into the Dr. Rex player, you can add limited effects to a slice or the entire loop, and you can change the pitch of individual slices as well. All the arranging of the loop slices have to be done in the main Reason sequencer. There's a button on the Dr. Rex player called "Loop to Track", which copies the sequencing of the loop as is to the sequencer, each note representing a particular slice. I'm a beginner myself, and I've found it's difficult to deal with loop slices of different lengths so it's helpful to break them down into eighth notes so you'll have a much easier time rearranging quickly and previewing what you've done. That said, I really really wish that Recycle had the ability to let me move slices around and preview it before saving it to a .rx2 file. Since I generally use Recycle for drum loops, my tendency is to make variations of the loop until I pass out, and having to do that work in Reason just seems inefficient to me. I think it all really depends on how you intend to apply the software. If you're looking to use Reason's instruments to make your music, or at least a track of it to be mixed with other stuff, then the Dr. Rex loop player won't be useful to you. You can stop reading here if this is your situation However, since I don't have any hardware except a bunch of instruments (drums, bass, didg, and a plethora of noise makers), I rely on software completely for recording and composing. The only significant piece of digital hardware I own is the EDP, which I use to jam with myself since I don't have the composition skills to work from scratch. Here's a simple breakdown of my process just to show you how I use both Recycle and Reason: 1) Turn on the EDP 2) Start playing the drums, keep playing until I find a beat pattern I like, then record that pattern into the EDP. Sometimes I don't even finish this in a sitting if I don't find an inspiring pattern. 3) Pick up my bass or my didg and start playing along with the drum beat I've got in the EDP. If I play something that I'm happy with, loop that into the EDP if it's applicable, or record it straight to my computer. Most times I end up rejecting the original drum beat and start over. 4) If I'm happy with everything so far, I'll record what I've got in the EDP onto my computer. 5) Edit all the wave files. 6) Load the wave files into Recycle, slice them up, and save them. 7) Load the Recycle files into Reason's Dr. Rex player, add any effects I need, then hit Loop To Track a few times to put a whole bunch of repetitions side by side on the sequencer. 8) Use the Reason sequencer to remix all that raw material, experiment basically. Furthermore, since I'm already in Reason I can start working with the built-in synths. 9) If I've made significant changes to my raw material, or if the tracks recorded from the EDP didn't have the audio quality I really wanted to, I write down how I need to replay that stuff and replay it. 10) Record any new pieces I want to add, then take the new raw material, repeat steps 5-10. The more repetitions of this method I do, the less I rely on the EDP and play for longer times rather than snippets. Starting out small allows me to come up with a plan and make a prototype song very easily, create variations easily, and easily preview what I've got. Because Reason and Recycle are so easy to use, the method I described is generally quick and painless. Thanks for bearing with me on my lengthy example, I just wanted to show you why I personally get a huge amount of use out of both Recycle and Reason. If you do all your music composition on other software, then you'll probably never have a use for Recycle, but Reason stands on its own for good synths for cheap. Cubase and other professional music creation software is too feature packed, too complicated, and too expensive for my purposes. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question > Matt, > > Thanks for the lengthy reply. > > In a message dated 10/23/02 11:31:00 AM, nicholson_matt@msn.com writes: > > >Reason is pretty badass in general just for all its different sequencers and > >synthesizers. > > That is pretty much the reason I was thinkin' of getting it. Not as a loop > player in particular. If it has one I am interested in that as a side interest > only. I'm just trying to sus out what that loop player's capabilities are. > Though I have not been especially happy with it in the long run I have > "Phrazer" already as far a loop player is concerned. Plus I have 2 stand > alone, hardware phrase samplers. > > I was just trying to learn what utility I might get out of what the > "literature" was calling a "Recycle-related" loop player in Reason. > From what I hear, yes, Ableton Live is great. I wish it had been out > when I'd bought "Phrazer." I'd be happier I'm sure. But that's not what > I'm necessarily after at the moment. > > Best, > > Ted Killian > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 19:18:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13084; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <7f.2e04a51b.2ae85477@aol.com> <004c01c27ae7$f031ba20$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:16:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 23:16:43.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[4011A7B0:01C27AEA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Just to reiterate, the Dr. Rex loop player in Reason is really the method of > making Recycle useful at all. Recycle isn't designed as a standalone tool - its always been intended work with samplers. It does a really good job of interfacing over scsi with most hardware, and can save in many software formats. You've only got half the tool there :> bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 19:29:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13706; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:26:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:26:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: improv@mail.peak.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <7f.2e04a51b.2ae85477@aol.com> <004c01c27ae7$f031ba20$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:24:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Dave Trenkel Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -4.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.21 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > Just to reiterate, the Dr. Rex loop player in Reason is really the method >of >> making Recycle useful at all. > >Recycle isn't designed as a standalone tool - its always been intended work >with samplers. It does a really good job of interfacing over scsi with most >hardware, and can save in many software formats. You've only got half the >tool there :> There's also Phatmatik Pro, by bitshift, which acts like a combination of Recycle and a REX player in a VST instrument. If you're using a VST compatible host (Cubase, Logic, etc.), Phatmatik seems way easier to use than Recycle. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 20:18:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17180; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:13:59 EDT Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt, In a message dated 10/23/02 4:03:21 PM, nicholson_matt@msn.com writes: >Reason stands on its own for good synths for cheap. Like I said this is MOST of what I want it for. I've heard some of the sounds generated by Reasons synths and have been impressed. I was thinking of maybe, possibly getting an Oxygen8 USB keyboard and playing around with it in Reason. If there were also some sort of "loop player" for my .AIFFs files that could be played from the MIDI note-on/off from that USB mini-keyboard input it could sort of replace my little hardware phrase samplers too. I'm a MIDI guitar(s) and EDP(s) kind of guy and have never particularly warmed to sequencers . . . though I've owned and used a few from time to time over the years. Heck, my Roland guitar synth has one in it that I've NEVER really used it over seven years of ownership (except for the first time). I also use samplers and my computer to create "canned" loops too. They usually start with a recording of me playing something on whatever instrument . . . and then I warp it beyond recognition in Arboretum Hyperprism. Then I load it back into one of 2 little phrase samplers I've got (a Roland and an Akai). BTW --both of those little samplers have sequencers in them that I've NEVER used. It simply seemed to me like my iBook (with Reason) and an Oxygen8 would be a nice little addition to my set up and might even offer a more flexible replacement for my dorky little phrase samplers which have not been totally satisfactory anyway. If I also finally found a sequencer in Reason that was something worth using too --so much the better (but it's really not essential to me). That's pretty much what I'm after. Can the Dr. Rex loop player in Reason be played via MIDI/USB from the Oxygen8? And . . . can the several MIDI control knobs on the Oxygen8 act as faders for individual loops? The Oxygen 8 can send the data but will Dr. Rex respond? That's (in a nutshell) what I need to know. Best, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 22:32:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25942; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:30:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:30:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c27b05$290d0fd0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:00:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2002 02:28:15.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D6EA30:01C27B05] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > That's pretty much what I'm after. Can the Dr. Rex loop > player in Reason be played via MIDI/USB from the Oxygen8? > And . . . can the several MIDI control knobs on the Oxygen8 > act as faders for individual loops? The Oxygen 8 can send > the data but will Dr. Rex respond? That's (in a nutshell) > what I need to know. Yeeees, sort of. I think it depends on how you set it up. I have an Oxygen 8 but I think I still have some learning to do when it comes to making the most of how Reason accepts MIDI signals. If your loop is sliced, each slice will be assigned a note. In this case, a key on the Oxygen 8 will only trigger a single slice. This is sort of helpful if you'd like to sit there and play the slices in a different order and listen to what it sounds like on the fly, and you can also record what you tap in. However, if you want to trigger an entire loop with one key, I think the only way to do this is to not slice your loop. In any case, Dr. Rex can only work with one loop at a time, so you're not going to be able to assign n loops to n keys unless I guess you want to go to the trouble of putting all of your loops into one and adding slices between them. Sounds sort of absurd doesn't it? As you can see, the Dr. Rex player in Reason is not appropriate for playing as an instrument. If someone else has found a solution for playing n Dr. Rex loops with n keys, I'd be grateful for instructions. On the other hand with Ableton Live, you can trigger entire loops or even groups of loops with a single key on an Oxygen 8, which is a far better method of playing your loops live. Live has two really easy features called "Edit Key Map" and "Edit Midi Map". Just enable one of the two, and the UI elements that can accept MIDI input will highlight, click on one of them and press the key or turn the knob and it's set. You can edit the key map to trigger individual loops or groups of loops (Live calls them "tracks"). You can edit the midi map to control volume, panning, and even certain elements of any of the effects plugins you have, this is the best use for those knobs on the Oxygen 8. The same midi programming features also exist in Reason, but I haven't found a way of getting the most amount of use out of the Oxygen 8 with it. Furthermore, Reason comes with a MIDI reference so if it doesn't recognize singals coming from the Oxygen 8, you can program your Oxygen 8 to send the proper MIDI signals. In any case, I think Live is far more appropriate for the usage you're referring to. -- Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 22:50:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27132; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:50:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:50:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <17c.10b40d02.2ae8b9a7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:49:11 EDT Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_17c.10b40d02.2ae8b9a7_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_17c.10b40d02.2ae8b9a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. Great! Thanks for continuing to develop Ambiloop. Marc In a message dated 10/23/2002 11:37:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > OK, I think I follow now... :) Thanks for everyones help on clarification... > I know people have talked with Chris McDonald (the author of AmbiLoop) > about > this, but since I've started working with him on the project, we've not > talked about it... He and I have both been really busy with work, so since > the last release there hasn't been much movement on it... I've got a new > architecture in place to allow some pretty cool things to be done via MIDI > now, but I need to finish the GUI stuff... I'm not sure what he is planning > to work on next, but I'll get with him on this and see if we can't get this > implemented... :) > > peace > -cpr > --part1_17c.10b40d02.2ae8b9a7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Hello. Great! Thanks for continuing to develop Ambiloop.
     Marc

In a message dated 10/23/2002 11:37:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:


OK, I think I follow now... :) Thanks for everyones help on clarification...
I know people have talked with Chris McDonald (the author of AmbiLoop) about
this, but since I've started working with him on the project, we've not
talked about it... He and I have both been really busy with work, so since
the last release there hasn't been much movement on it... I've got a new
architecture in place to allow some pretty cool things to be done via MIDI
now, but I need to finish the GUI stuff... I'm not sure what he is planning
to work on next, but I'll get with him on this and see if we can't get this
implemented... :)

peace
-cpr


--part1_17c.10b40d02.2ae8b9a7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 22:51:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27293; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:51:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:51:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008d01c27b08$ad36cdc0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3.0.5.32.20021022115237.0090c290@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 21:54:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi CQ, Back in town. So, I assume that your screen reader is not able to read the "alt" tags on an icon image? Each of these icons has an appropriate "alt" text tag behind it. Can you check to see if this is an option with your screen reader? If not, I'll be glad to make some changes to the code to add a small text link under the icons. This may take me a couple of days to get to. Thanks! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > Hi Doug, thanks, it seems to work now, so cool beans! I have a request > though, as you may know, I need to use a screen reader to view the webpage, > and since it's speech based, and not graphical, the links for modifying the > files and downloading don't show up for me. The only way I found them at > all was by guessing at them, as my screen reader reads the entire url as I > tab to it. So I have to tab through the entire list of links on the page > when it comes to those which don't show up, and gleen from the url which > link I'm on, unless there's a text lable. Would this be a problem to > add?, I hope not, but if it is, I'll try to fanagle it if I have to. > Thanks a bunch for getting it to work! Have a wonderful day!... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 06:40 AM 10/22/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ooops. Scratch that. Fixed it. > > > >Netscape doesn't like spaces in links. I renamed our directories with > >underscores instead of spaces. I could have forced the code to replace > >spaces with "%20"s, but that would have taken too much time, and I'm out of > >it. > > > >CQ and others - you should be able to Netscape now. Enjoy. > > > >Doug > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Doug Cox" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:34 AM > >Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > > > > > >> OK, looks like this is a problem using Netscape with the library. I tried > >a > >> few things this morning, but no luck. I'll be gone for 2 days, but will > >try > >> to make things more compatible with Netscape when I return. > >> > >> CQ - I moved your file from the root directory into the Audio Examples. > >> Until I fix it, you won't be able to get into the subdirectories with > >> Netscape. If you have IE, please use it to get to everything. In the > >> meantime, sorry for the inconvenience. > >> > >> People still use Netscape?? :) Just kidding. > >> > >> Doug > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Goddess" > >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:35 AM > >> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > >> > >> > >> > Doug, I actually didn't get to the point of uploading, as when I > >clicked > >> > on the link to display the directory, instead of displaying a particular > >> > directory's contents, I simply got a page in Netscape which gave a > >number > >> > code which was perhaps 404 and said bad request. > >> > I'll try it again this evening or early tomorrow and let ya know how > >it > >> > goes, or take a screen shot. > >> > Have a wonderful evening... > >> > > >> > Smiles, > >> > > >> > CQ > >> > > >> > At 08:18 PM 10/21/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> > >Hiya CQ! > >> > > > >> > >Thanks for the nice words. > >> > > > >> > >I'm not sure what you mean by a "bad request" screen, but I definitely > >> want > >> > >to try to help. Can you be more specific about the error you saw, or > >> even > >> > >better take a screen shot of it and email it to me at dougcox@pdq.net? > >> > > > >> > >Second, did you check the file that you were uploading to ensure that > >it > >> was > >> > >2MB or less? On some systems, if you attempt to upload a file that's > >too > >> > >large, you can get an error screen. > >> > > > >> > >Lemme know! Sorry you had some trouble with the system. > >> > > > >> > >Doug > >> > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > >From: "Goddess" > >> > >To: > >> > >Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:45 PM > >> > >Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> Hi Doug, wow!, first I'd just like to thank you and all who've made > >> this > >> > >> possible! I can't wait to see where we'll go with this... > >> > >> Secondly, I have a question. I just tried uploading a piece, and > >> got a > >> > >> bad request screen. > >> > >> More specificallly, when I clicked on the directory link for whole > >> songs > >> > >> from the files page, I got the bad request, and so I then tried > >> clicking > >> > >on > >> > >> the looping examples directory, but also got the same bad request > >page > >> as > >> > >> a response. -Am I doing something wrong? Thanks a bunch, > >> and > >> > >> thank you again for your effort and commitment! YOU ROCK! > >> > >> > >> > >> Smiles, > >> > >> > >> > >> CQ > >> > >> > >> > >> At 10:24 PM 10/19/02 -0500, you wrote: > >> > >> >Hi gang, > >> > >> > > >> > >> >I'm very happy to announce that the Looper's Delight File Library is > >> now > >> > >up > >> > >> >and ready for use!!! > >> > >> > > >> > >> >http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > >> > >> > > >> > >> >What does all this mean? > >> > >> > > >> > >> >- This is a web-based file library, intended to be a respository of > >> audio > >> > >> >samples, full songs, and other helpful looping tools > >> > >> >- The hope is that it will become a natural extension of the > >> discussions > >> > >> >that occur on the LD list. As we've discussed recently, audio > >> examples > >> > >are > >> > >> >worth 1,000,000 words when it comes to looping concepts > >> > >> >- The initial rollout has three directories to organize the files. > >As > >> > >the > >> > >> >library grows, we may add new directories and/or subdirectories > >> > >> >- Only LD list subscribers (and digest subscribers) can register and > >> > >upload > >> > >> >to the library > >> > >> >- Anyone can browse and download from the library > >> > >> >- There is a Help/FAQ link that should get you started. It's very > >> simple > >> > >to > >> > >> >use. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Kim will soon add a link from the main LD webpage to the file > >library, > >> so > >> > >> >you won't have to remember the link. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >We will be keeping a close eye on the system for a while, and trying > >> to > >> > >> >adjust and improve it as we go. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Personally, I'm very excited about this development. I think it > >will > >> be > >> > >a > >> > >> >huge win for the LD community, a great opportunity to drive our > >> > >discussions > >> > >> >to the next level, and a great way to share our ideas. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Enjoy! > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Doug > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> > >> > >> "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > >> eachother. > >> > >> -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > >> > >> > >> http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > >> > >> > >> Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >> > >> > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- > >> > > >> > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and > >eachother. > >> > -Then, anything is possible..." > >> > > >> > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >> > > >> > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >> > > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 22:59:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29090; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:59:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:59:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00a701c27b09$cbfef100$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3DAB0A130000A400@mta08.san.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:02:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris and Chris, Just a reminder, there is a Tools and Utilities directory in the Looper's Delight file library (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/) that would be a perfect place to put the latest release of AmbiLoop. Whoever uploads the file is it's "owner", and can later delete it if/when it's time to replace with an upgrade. Just an idea. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Roberts" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? > OK, I think I follow now... :) Thanks for everyones help on clarification... > I know people have talked with Chris McDonald (the author of AmbiLoop) about > this, but since I've started working with him on the project, we've not > talked about it... He and I have both been really busy with work, so since > the last release there hasn't been much movement on it... I've got a new > architecture in place to allow some pretty cool things to be done via MIDI > now, but I need to finish the GUI stuff... I'm not sure what he is planning > to work on next, but I'll get with him on this and see if we can't get this > implemented... :) > > peace > -cpr > > >-- Original Message -- > >From: RandomLFO@aol.com > >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:45:31 EDT > >Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > Hello. Acting as a Signal Generator, a plug-in would then be a virtual > > > >instrument (DXi/VSTi). This is probably the direction you would want to > go > > > >with Ambiloop. For a great example of DXi/VSTi, check out > >www.nativeinstruments.com. > > Unfortunately I don't do code. So I won't be much help there. However, > > > >there is a helpful list that has a lot of Plug-in creators subscribed to > >it > >called MusicDSP - music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu. > > Take care, Marc > > > >In a message dated 10/22/2002 10:56:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >cpr@musetrap.com writes: > > > > > >> I thought plug-ins took an input, processed it, and then output a new > > >> signal... > >> This is how I have always used them... But, maybe they can be signal > > >> generators... > >> Can you point me to some that work like this... I think I would understand > >> better with some examples to look at... :) > >> > >> peace > >> -cpr > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 23 23:01:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29293; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:01:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:01:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ad01c27b0a$082c3700$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3.0.5.32.20021022115237.0090c290@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:04:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another reminder on the file library: Please try to move into the directory that you want your file in BEFORE you upload it. We've seen a couple of people upload to the root of the library, and I have to move those files. I'll also add a reminder in the upload boxes. Thankie!! :) Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 24 00:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03150; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:46:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:46:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021023224808.00921b90@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 22:48:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Further on the (goddess) repeater sequencing thang... In-Reply-To: References: <3DAB0A1300009C02@mta08.san.yahoo.com> <000b01c27a54$ee50a7e0$610c500c@VAIO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Mark, actually, you can overdub on to a track which is not being pitched while another one is. What I do, is to first create the loop, and then press pitch and select the tracks for which I'd like to change the pitch. Then I press pitch again to exit that mode and get back to record mode. Now, when you send midi note messages to the Repeater, only the tracks you've selected while in pitch mode will be shifting. The others will not. Now, since you're out of pitch mode, you can select any tracks you want to record on to, and still, only those you'd previously selected when in pitch mode will be shifting, whether or not you're recording on to them, or have selected them for recording, does this make sense? The record selections and pitch selections are independant of eachother. -HOpe this helps. If ya need me to clarify at all, just lemme' know, K? Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ At 10:02 AM 10/23/02 +0200, you wrote: > Goddess ><> Yes, I like the pitch function >> You can also record a loop as it's being pitched which is >> I'll try to download your tune if >> <> Have an awesome >> Your welcome > >Smiles, > >CQ One Question on this technique... I tried it at home using my >groovebox drummachine external sequencer... I found it pitched ANY >repeater track that was curently selected, NOT only if the pitch button was > pressed, as it says in the manual, but all the time??? Am i doing >something wrong? overdub anything onto a track that you DO NOT want >pitched/sequenced... so whassup wiv that??? Mark Red __________________ > mark red > www.mark-red.com > mark@mark-red.com >__________________ --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 24 01:05:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05665; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:05:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:05:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021023230728.00924c80@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:07:28 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library In-Reply-To: <00ad01c27b0a$082c3700$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3.0.5.32.20021022115237.0090c290@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi doug, actually, I only uploaded there because I wasn't able to open any of the folders at the time, but this does bring me to a point. Aside from deleting and re-uploading a file, is there a way to move one? Also, regarding your last post, in reply to mine, the only way my screen reader will read the alt tags of those particular links is by tabbing through the entire list of links for the page. If the link were initially visible to the Screen reader, it would in fact be able to read it's alt tag, even if it were a graphical symbol with an alt tag, in this case though, it's not actually seeing the link at all except in this one particular way with the tab key. Go figure! lol! Anyway, FYI, the links for delete and modifying the file, are also not working in Netscape. I did manage to locate one, and clicked on it but got the same bad request bit. Just wanted to let ya know. I really appreciate all the time and effort you're putting into this, and glad to see that it's already starting to generate list discussion about the pieces and loopers and such. *laughing* Now I'll just have to be able to access the download links! lollollol! Thanks a bunch, for taking time to note my concerns and for your quick replies and consideration. I really do appreciate it. Have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ At 10:04 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: >Another reminder on the file library: > >Please try to move into the directory that you want your file in BEFORE you >upload it. We've seen a couple of people upload to the root of the library, >and I have to move those files. I'll also add a reminder in the upload >boxes. > >Thankie!! :) > >Doug > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 24 01:18:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07061; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:16:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:16:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20021023231732.007caaf0@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:17:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20021023230728.00924c80@pop.earthlink.net> References: <00ad01c27b0a$082c3700$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3.0.5.32.20021022115237.0090c290@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <6Qag1D.A.QtB.KI4t9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug, I also wanted to add that I'd be willing to help out with this any way I can. I am reasonably fluent in html, and JavaScript and somewhat in Dhtml. If I can be of any assistance, just lemme' know, K? Smiles, CQ At 11:07 PM 10/23/02 -0600, you wrote: > Hi doug, actually, I only uploaded there because I wasn't able to open >any of the folders at the time, but this does bring me to a point. Aside >from deleting and re-uploading a file, is there a way to move one? > Also, regarding your last post, in reply to mine, the only way my screen >reader will read the alt tags of those particular links is by tabbing >through the entire list of links for the page. If the link were initially >visible to the Screen reader, it would in fact be able to read it's alt >tag, even if it were a graphical symbol with an alt tag, in this case >though, it's not actually seeing the link at all except in this one >particular way with the tab key. Go figure! lol! Anyway, FYI, the >links for delete and modifying the file, are also not working in Netscape. > I did manage to locate one, and clicked on it but got the same bad >request bit. Just wanted to let ya know. > I really appreciate all the time and effort you're putting into this, and >glad to see that it's already starting to generate list discussion about >the pieces and loopers and such. *laughing* Now I'll just have to be >able to access the download links! lollollol! Thanks a bunch, >for taking time to note my concerns and for your quick replies and >consideration. I really do appreciate it. Have a wonderful >evening!... > >Smiles, > >CQ > > At 10:04 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: >>Another reminder on the file library: >> >>Please try to move into the directory that you want your file in BEFORE you >>upload it. We've seen a couple of people upload to the root of the library, >>and I have to move those files. I'll also add a reminder in the upload >>boxes. >> >>Thankie!! :) >> >>Doug >> >> > > >--- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. >-Then, anything is possible..." > >http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > >Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 24 06:26:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA30077; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:25:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:25:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Clifford Novey" To: Subject: RE: REASONable software looper question Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 03:25:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c27b47$b66fa620$6401a8c0@om> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000201c27b05$290d0fd0$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Reason has tons of midi control but the only way to do what you want would be to use Reason 2.0 and the sampler included. But even then I don't think you could control individual loop volumes. The rex player does not have midi assignment for play or for the slices- so you can't even load a bunch of them and control playing the loops that way either. Last is the Redum drum sequencer- which would be perfect if only the PLAY button on each part had midi!! It has pitch, volume, pan, cutoff etc- I can't believe it has no midi on the play buttons. "Live" sounds like a good choice as suggested- Reason certainly does not which is a surprise and a shame. Cliff www.om-studios.com -----Original Message----- From: nicholson_matt [mailto:nicholson_matt@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question > That's pretty much what I'm after. Can the Dr. Rex loop > player in Reason be played via MIDI/USB from the Oxygen8? > And . . . can the several MIDI control knobs on the Oxygen8 > act as faders for individual loops? The Oxygen 8 can send > the data but will Dr. Rex respond? That's (in a nutshell) > what I need to know. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 24 17:22:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20252; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:19:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004e01c27ba2$d5c74540$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <000001c27b47$b66fa620$6401a8c0@om> Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 14:18:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2002 21:16:45.0601 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8299110:01C27BA2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Actually, yes the Dr. Rex player will allow you to play individual slices with keys. The tricky part is that those key assignments are a few octaves lower than the middle, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. All you have to do is change the octave setting down on your keyboard and try out the keys until you hear some output. Live I think is near perfect for live loop-based music, and you can record from it too. Reason isn't great for this purpose but since Live is a ReWire host, you can connect Reason to a track in Live. Live's VST effects support is also a great bonus. A laptop w/ Live and a small midi keyboard like the Oxygen 8 are an awesome combination for live performance... add a second laptop w/ Coldcut's V-Jamm software and you could easily have a loop based audio/visual performance that fits in a large backpack. That's one of my goals anyways. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Novey" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: RE: REASONable software looper question > Reason has tons of midi control but the only way to do what you want > would be to use Reason 2.0 and the sampler included. But even then I > don't think you could control individual loop volumes. > > The rex player does not have midi assignment for play or for the slices- > so you can't even load a bunch of them and control playing the loops > that way either. Last is the Redum drum sequencer- which would be > perfect if only the PLAY button on each part had midi!! It has pitch, > volume, pan, cutoff etc- I can't believe it has no midi on the play > buttons. > > "Live" sounds like a good choice as suggested- Reason certainly does not > which is a surprise and a shame. > > Cliff > > www.om-studios.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nicholson_matt [mailto:nicholson_matt@msn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:00 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question > > > That's pretty much what I'm after. Can the Dr. Rex loop > > player in Reason be played via MIDI/USB from the Oxygen8? > > And . . . can the several MIDI control knobs on the Oxygen8 > > act as faders for individual loops? The Oxygen 8 can send > > the data but will Dr. Rex respond? That's (in a nutshell) > > what I need to know. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 24 20:59:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02862; Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:55:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:55:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021025005419.99789.qmail@web21208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bradley Fish Subject: ACID Loop Library Release - "Bradley Fish - Unstrung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Folks, Thanks to all of you who have helped me with looping questions! Sonic Foundry just released my first loop library of plucked strings for ACID. It has acoustic and electric dulcimers, and 6 and 7 string guitars, Chinese zithers, and lots more...check it out along with a few free loops at: http://www.sonicfoundry.com/loop_libraries/ShowLoop.asp?PID=776 Thanks! Bradley Fish __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 00:45:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21409; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.167.150.223] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: seeking improvisers for sound/shift Oakland Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:42:17 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 04:42:18.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[E60456D0:01C27BE0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Everyone, Ernesto Diaz-Infante and I are organizing Sound/Shift Bay Area. Basically, it's 2 days of continuous improvised music, somewhat like the thing that happened in Baltimore last summer. (For info on that, see http://www.johnberndt.org/soundshift/ ) It'll be on Friday, January 10th from 6:00 to 12:00, and Saturday, January 11th from noon to 10:00 at 21 Grand in Oakland, California. It'll be a benefit for 21 Grand. We're seeking musicians who are willing to play 30 to 45 minute shifts with a changing lineup of musicians (perhaps even people you've never met/played with before). The actual shift length will depend on how many participants there are. So, this is the preliminary call for participants. Please feel free to forward it to any lists or people you think may be interested. 2 more things: 21 Grand is not exactly a large space. Each artist will need to set up their equipment slightly before their set and remove their equipment when done so there will be room for the next. Having some degree of portability will be a plus, even if that's putting everything on a table that can be quickly be moved on/offstage. Once we have some drummers signed up, we'll see if any would be willing to share their drumset. Also, there is a PA at the venue, and we'll look into getting a decent mixer. Portable amps are welcome. We're also going to look into providing some places to crash for out-of-town musicians. If you're interested in participating, please fill out the following thingy: 1) Name 2) Instrument(s) 3) brief description of musical approach or "sound" (noisy? quiet? complex? simple? does it resemble any genres? - this'll be used to match musicians up.) 4) preferred range of group size (if there is a preference) 5) preferred range of time slots (if there is a preference) 6) participating musicians that you might want to collaborate with. (We'll do our best to work out conflicts between 4, 5 & 6 but can't make guarantees.) 7) whether you'd be willing to extend your couch or floor to an out-of-town musician. Please reply to me privately if you're interested - mattdavignon@hotmail.com Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 01:14:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24399; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:10:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:10:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:08:49 -0400 From: David Beardsley Subject: NYC: 10.27.2002 - microtonal gtr. & electric sarod concert To: Ohmbient list , melafoundation@yahoogroups.com, Mantra TV , MakeMicroMusic@yahoogroups.com, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Jon Hassell list , jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, ":: ambient way" , ":: 3/2, 7/4, 9/8..." , extremeNY@topica.com Message-id: <006801c27be4$9b05be40$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LwY05k3vLctgku4DuNvvzA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_LwY05k3vLctgku4DuNvvzA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sunday October 27th, 2002 8 p.m., donation suggested David Beardsley (electric microtonal Just Intonation guitar) and Lisa Moskow (electric sarod, from the San Francisco Bay Area). The Three Jewels Outreach Center & Bookstore 211 East 5th Street (between 2nd and 3rd Avenues) N.Y.C., N.Y. 10003 (212) 475-6650 http://www.threejewels.org/ "Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods.... clearly - in its glacial tension and release it offered the essential outlines of symphonic form, stripped of surface detail." - Kyle Gann , the Village Voice, NYC http://www.biink.com/db http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0241/gann.php "Using her years of classical training on the sarod as a foundation, Lisa Moskow takes the North Indian 25-string lute into original byways of her musical imagination, constantly inventing new contexts for the unique sliding, bending,droning tones that sing from her instrument." - Derk Richardson SF Bay Guardian http://www.lisamoskow.com * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley --Boundary_(ID_LwY05k3vLctgku4DuNvvzA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Sunday October 27th, 2002
8 p.m., donation suggested

David Beardsley
(electric microtonal Just Intonation guitar)
                                                                and
Lisa Moskow
(electric sarod, from the San Francisco Bay Area).

The Three Jewels Outreach Center & Bookstore
211 East 5th Street
(between 2nd and 3rd Avenues)
N.Y.C., N.Y. 10003
(212) 475-6650
http://www.threejewels.org/

"Beardsley sculpts tones into overpowering moods....
clearly - in its glacial tension and release it offered the
essential outlines of symphonic form, stripped of surface detail."

"Using her years of classical training on the sarod as a foundation,
Lisa Moskow takes the North Indian 25-string lute into original
byways of her musical imagination, constantly inventing new
contexts for the unique sliding, bending,droning tones that sing
from her instrument."

- Derk Richardson SF Bay Guardian
 http://www.lisamoskow.com

* David Beardsley
* http://biink.com
* http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley

--Boundary_(ID_LwY05k3vLctgku4DuNvvzA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 01:48:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26019; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:43:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 01:43:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DB8D91E.4070802@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 22:39:42 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loop Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the manual, recalibrated the expression pedals (why not) and took another shot at programming the FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC switches work fine but the expression pedals still send all kinds of commands to the Repeater. I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to monitor its behavior (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I have no idea what's going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi begins to slip. Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to send me your step by step process for programming one preset that uses one or both expression pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just need to follow precise directions that are known to work so I can rule out or correct my own ineptitude and start looking at other explanations (bad unit, bad juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless this sort of info seems useful to anyone else. And to think I spouted off that even I understood this pedal. So sad Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 02:20:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28549; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:18:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:18:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DB8D91E.4070802@minds-eye.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com you can tell dongshan where to shove his dong don't tell me anything -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM To: loop Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the manual, recalibrated the expression pedals (why not) and took another shot at programming the FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC switches work fine but the expression pedals still send all kinds of commands to the Repeater. I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to monitor its behavior (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I have no idea what's going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi begins to slip. Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to send me your step by step process for programming one preset that uses one or both expression pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just need to follow precise directions that are known to work so I can rule out or correct my own ineptitude and start looking at other explanations (bad unit, bad juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless this sort of info seems useful to anyone else. And to think I spouted off that even I understood this pedal. So sad Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 02:21:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28659; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:18:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:18:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DB8D91E.4070802@minds-eye.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Only when I am dead might people start to believe how I am being killed -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM To: loop Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the manual, recalibrated the expression pedals (why not) and took another shot at programming the FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC switches work fine but the expression pedals still send all kinds of commands to the Repeater. I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to monitor its behavior (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I have no idea what's going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi begins to slip. Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to send me your step by step process for programming one preset that uses one or both expression pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just need to follow precise directions that are known to work so I can rule out or correct my own ineptitude and start looking at other explanations (bad unit, bad juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless this sort of info seems useful to anyone else. And to think I spouted off that even I understood this pedal. So sad Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 02:21:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28698; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:19:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:19:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:18:36 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DB8D91E.4070802@minds-eye.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com look up apoptosis -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Cheli-Colando [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM To: loop Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the manual, recalibrated the expression pedals (why not) and took another shot at programming the FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC switches work fine but the expression pedals still send all kinds of commands to the Repeater. I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to monitor its behavior (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I have no idea what's going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi begins to slip. Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to send me your step by step process for programming one preset that uses one or both expression pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just need to follow precise directions that are known to work so I can rule out or correct my own ineptitude and start looking at other explanations (bad unit, bad juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless this sort of info seems useful to anyone else. And to think I spouted off that even I understood this pedal. So sad Thanks Kevin -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 02:33:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29480; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:33:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:33:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021025063226.92324.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kevin, I am also having problems with the expression pedals they don´t send the pitches that i am giving for the repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? cheers Louie > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > how I am being killed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > To: loop > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > manual, recalibrated > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > shot at programming the > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > switches work fine but > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > commands to the Repeater. > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > monitor its behavior > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > have no idea what's > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > begins to slip. > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > send me your step by > step process for programming one preset that uses > one or both expression > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > need to follow > precise directions that are known to work so I can > rule out or correct > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > explanations (bad unit, bad > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > this sort of info > seems useful to anyone else. > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > this pedal. So sad > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 03:30:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00603; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:26:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:26:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021025063226.92324.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Also everyone please look up the term apoptosis if yuo do these things you will start to see where truth is lurking and also putting me in danger- not that you care- but when I die it will become more interesting, I suppose -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Hi Kevin, I am also having problems with the expression pedals they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? cheers Louie > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > how I am being killed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > To: loop > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > manual, recalibrated > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > shot at programming the > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > switches work fine but > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > commands to the Repeater. > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > monitor its behavior > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > have no idea what's > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > begins to slip. > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > send me your step by > step process for programming one preset that uses > one or both expression > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > need to follow > precise directions that are known to work so I can > rule out or correct > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > explanations (bad unit, bad > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > this sort of info > seems useful to anyone else. > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > this pedal. So sad > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 03:31:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA00526; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:25:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:25:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:24:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021025063226.92324.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com please listen, everyone, if you can, to David Bowie- the follwoing songs: "We Are The Dead" "Ashes to Ashes" -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Hi Kevin, I am also having problems with the expression pedals they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? cheers Louie > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > how I am being killed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > To: loop > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > manual, recalibrated > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > shot at programming the > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > switches work fine but > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > commands to the Repeater. > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > monitor its behavior > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > have no idea what's > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > begins to slip. > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > send me your step by > step process for programming one preset that uses > one or both expression > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > need to follow > precise directions that are known to work so I can > rule out or correct > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > explanations (bad unit, bad > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > this sort of info > seems useful to anyone else. > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > this pedal. So sad > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 03:42:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01561; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:39:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:39:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: the value of PI in a looping environment Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:39:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021025063226.92324.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The value doesn't repeat! What do I do? -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Hi Kevin, I am also having problems with the expression pedals they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? cheers Louie > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > how I am being killed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > To: loop > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > manual, recalibrated > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > shot at programming the > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > switches work fine but > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > commands to the Repeater. > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > monitor its behavior > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > have no idea what's > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > begins to slip. > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > send me your step by > step process for programming one preset that uses > one or both expression > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > need to follow > precise directions that are known to work so I can > rule out or correct > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > explanations (bad unit, bad > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > this sort of info > seems useful to anyone else. > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > this pedal. So sad > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 03:44:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01696; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:41:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:41:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: primers Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:41:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021025063226.92324.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Station to Station" - Bowie "Vanilla Sky" the value of pi I am sending you primers. Use them or lose them. -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Hi Kevin, I am also having problems with the expression pedals they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? cheers Louie > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > how I am being killed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > To: loop > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > manual, recalibrated > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > shot at programming the > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > switches work fine but > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > commands to the Repeater. > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > monitor its behavior > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > have no idea what's > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > begins to slip. > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > send me your step by > step process for programming one preset that uses > one or both expression > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > need to follow > precise directions that are known to work so I can > rule out or correct > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > explanations (bad unit, bad > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > this sort of info > seems useful to anyone else. > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > this pedal. So sad > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 03:44:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01800; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:42:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:42:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: "Contact" by Carl Sagan Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:42:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021025063226.92324.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <270LSB.A._b.pXPu9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com the movie versus the book? -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Hi Kevin, I am also having problems with the expression pedals they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? cheers Louie > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > how I am being killed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > To: loop > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > manual, recalibrated > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > shot at programming the > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > switches work fine but > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > commands to the Repeater. > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > monitor its behavior > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > have no idea what's > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > begins to slip. > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > send me your step by > step process for programming one preset that uses > one or both expression > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > need to follow > precise directions that are known to work so I can > rule out or correct > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > explanations (bad unit, bad > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > this sort of info > seems useful to anyone else. > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > this pedal. So sad > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 03:47:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01975; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:44:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:44:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: burnett@pobox.com X-Authentication-Warning: giggles.cavesofice.org: badger owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:52:36 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: MIKO cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the value of PI in a looping environment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok. Bored now. *PLONK* On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, MIKO wrote: > The value doesn't repeat! > > What do I do? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Hi Kevin, > I am also having problems with the expression pedals > they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the > repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? > cheers > Louie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > > how I am being killed > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > > To: loop > > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > > manual, recalibrated > > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > > shot at programming the > > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > > switches work fine but > > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > > commands to the Repeater. > > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > > monitor its behavior > > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > > have no idea what's > > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > > begins to slip. > > > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > > send me your step by > > step process for programming one preset that uses > > one or both expression > > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > > need to follow > > precise directions that are known to work so I can > > rule out or correct > > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > > explanations (bad unit, bad > > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > > this sort of info > > seems useful to anyone else. > > > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > > this pedal. So sad > > > > Thanks > > > > Kevin > > > > -- > > Wonderful! Wonderful! > > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > > If you try to hear it with your ears > > You'll hardly understand > > Only when you hear it in your eyes > > Will you be able to know. > > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > -- Steve Burnett burnett@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~burnett/ System Administration Technical Documentation Information Retrieval From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 03:58:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA03231; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 03:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DB8F87C.4FBD4854@ubuibi.org> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:53:33 -0700 From: das Organization: www.ubuibi.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reeeking improvisers or sound if O References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ya, it be fun could probably count on 3-4 of us that you could use at hearts content.. > > > If you're interested in participating, please fill out the following thingy: > > 1) Name um bco... das, ninah, rob, mark ???? > > 2) Instrument(s) > ninah, keyboards das..roofing nails or your choice rob, throbbing boxes mark, loop guitar > > > 3) brief description of musical approach or "sound" (noisy? quiet? complex? > simple? does it resemble any genres? - this'll be used to match musicians not jazz and perhaps we could do a lead in on kpfa ? -das From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 11:43:28 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09210; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:39:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:39:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <027001c27c3a$d1ccc300$eb615cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: "emusic-wdiy Mailing List" Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #292 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:24:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #292 October 24, 2002. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on ambient guitarist Jeff Pearce, who played at The Gathering on the 19th. The Featured CD at midnight was "Daylight Slowly" on the Hypnos label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Albedo 0.39" by Vangelis the RCA label. Jeff Pearce http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2002/focus02.html#oct PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:04 pm Vangelis Alpha Albedo 0.39 (RCA) Mark Jenkins Supernova Space Dreams 2 (AMP) Mark Jenkins Gravity Waves Space Dreams 2 (AMP) Alpha Wave Movement Distant Signals A Distant Signal (HRR) Ozone Player The Wobbling Wardrobe E (Visual Power) Wave World Cloudseeder Cloudseeder (VFR) Mark Jenkins The Ceremony of Sequencer Loops (AMP) Innocence Harold Grosskopf Gamma Knife Digital Nomad (AMP) Jeff Pearce Inner Light Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) 12:00 am Jeff Pearce Spirals Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Cloud Water Rising Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Labyrinth Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Quiet and Clear Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce The Broken Places Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Known Presence Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Delta Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Through Darkened Halls Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce 11/11 Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Inner Storms Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Daylight Slowly Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) Jeff Pearce Passage to Home Daylight Slowly (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Jeff Pearce who uses the guitar to create synth-like soundscapes. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Hidden Rift" on the Ancient Sun Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP "Encore" by Tangerine Dream on the Virgin label. I will play the music of artists who will be performing at upcoming Gatherings and will interview Jeff Pearce by phone. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 11:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09596; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:44:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: lorax.darkaether.net: alevin owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Richard Pinhas in Baltimore Sat night! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA09573 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore MD Saturday, Oct 26th, 2002 8pm French guitarist, electronic musician, and composer Richard Pinhas is internationally recognized as one of France's major experimental musicians: the 'father' of French electronic music. He was the founder of Heldon, a band whose violent fusion of electronics and guitar in the 1970s rivaled the German electronic school and was a precursor to today's industrial music. As a guitar player, his sound has been compared that of guitar icon Robert Fripp. Over the past decade, working solo and with other artists such as Pascal Comelade and Maurice Dantec (for Schizotrope), Pinhas has been developing a system of electronic processing to use in performing live solo guitar concerts. Pinhas will perform in Baltimore, Maryland on October 26th at Orion Studios as part of the ongoing Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series Fall 2002 schedule. Performing on guitar and accompanied by French electronic musician Jérôme Schmidt, Pinhas will play music from hisew instrumental release on Cuneiform, *Event and Repetitions*, and possibly some new pieces that fuse electronics, sampling and guitar and incorporate spoken-word from writings by Phil K. Dick, William Burroughs, Hunter S. Thompson, and others. *Event and Repetitions* marks a progression in Pinhas' ongoing experiments with sound. Created using only guitar and processing systems and recorded live, it is an arresting sensory assault, a river of sound that is rich in depth, detail and texture. Pinhas has released approximately 20 solo and Heldon CDs, many of released by or reissued on Cuneiform; this newest may be his best solo guitar work to date. Tickets for this all ages show are $15 in advance via Ticketweb at http://www.ticketweb.com/ For directions and more information, please visit The Progressive Rock Web Site at http://www.progrock.net/ -Adam ---- T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ ** The new CD "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" is available from: Amazon.com - Artist-Shop.com - CDBaby.com - CDStreet.com - LaserCD.com MandMMusic.com - OSMind.com - SynPhonic.8m.com - WaysideMusic.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/jd3IAA/IpoqlB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: BW-Progressive-Music-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 14:11:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22783; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:10:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:10:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021025180952.59166.qmail@web12901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher MacDonald Subject: Re: software loopers - ambiloop as plugin ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_xofrD.A.TjF.xjYu9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the suggestion Doug, I uploaded AmbiLoop to the tools and utilities directory. -Chris MacDonald > Chris and Chris, > > Just a reminder, there is a Tools and Utilities > directory in the Looper's Delight file library > (http://www.loopers- delight.com/files/) that would > be a perfect place to put the latest release of > AmbiLoop. Whoever uploads the file is it's "owner", > and can later delete it if/when it's time to replace > with an upgrade. > > Just an idea. > > Doug __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 17:59:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08162; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021025215354.90461.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Will Reply-To: will@luktown.org Subject: ambiloop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210222222.SAA24558@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9Mc7HD.A.f9B.z1bu9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ambiloop rules! It and audiomulch are the only loopers I use anymore. The only hardware looper I have experience with is the DL-4 and ambiloop operates very much in the same fashion, except it's on steroids. It's controllable via midi now so you can set up a footswitch and go to town. or the country. highly recommended. will --------------- Ambiloop is created by one of the list members: Christopher MacDonald Still haven't tried it as an realtime looper, but its features seem to me to be great. Peace Luigi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Wright" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: software loopers > hi folks: at the LD site, under tools of the trade, it refers to a number of > software-based loopers. although most allow you to stack loops together, it > seems to me that most don't allow the kind of real-time interactive looping > that makes the hardware devices so popular. so i did a google search on > "interactive software-based loopers" or some such, and came across an > intriguing piece of freeware called ambiloop. downloaded it last night and > have fiddled around a bit since. it looks very promising. offers 8 stereo > loops of, it seems, almost infinite length. loops can be added on the fly. > it allow half and double time, and reverse. there's also an FX and filter > section. anyone out there tried it out? i'd be interested to hear what > hardware loopers have to say about it. since i'm new to this and i don't own > one yet, i'm not sure whether it has any serious lackings or not. > here's the link: http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ > rob > ===== ----------- http://www.luktown.org __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 19:54:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16881; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:51:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:51:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:30:33 -0700 From: glenn Subject: Re: ambiloop In-reply-to: <20021025215354.90461.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Resent-Message-ID: <_QNkHC.A.yGE.Mjdu9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here, here. I freakin love ambiloop too! on 10/25/02 2:53 PM, Will at superscience@yahoo.com wrote: > ambiloop rules! It and audiomulch are the only loopers I use anymore. > The only hardware looper I have experience with is the DL-4 and > ambiloop operates very much in the same fashion, except it's on > steroids. It's controllable via midi now so you can set up a > footswitch and go to town. or the country. > > highly recommended. > > will From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 19:57:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17011; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:54:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 19:54:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [207.17.136.129] From: "Jonathan El-Bizri" To: References: <000001c27b47$b66fa620$6401a8c0@om> <004e01c27ba2$d5c74540$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 16:53:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2002 23:53:13.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE6B05B0:01C27C81] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Actually, yes the Dr. Rex player will allow you to play individual slices > with keys. The tricky part is that those key assignments are a few octaves > lower than the middle, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It does when you have a lot of slices :> > Live I think is near perfect for live loop-based music, and you can record > from it too. Reason isn't great for this purpose but since Live is a ReWire > host, you can connect Reason to a track in Live. Live's VST effects support > is also a great bonus. A laptop w/ Live and a small midi keyboard like the > Oxygen 8 are an awesome combination for live performance... add a second > laptop w/ Coldcut's V-Jamm software and you could easily have a loop based > audio/visual performance that fits in a large backpack. That's one of my > goals anyways. > If you are looking for an all in one 'beat making' solution, also check out fruity loops. It's kind of like Reason. bIz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 25 22:03:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24576; Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:57:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 21:57:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011901c27c5f$faf1e790$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: Subject: OT: new virus floating around? Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:51:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com just as klez starts to dwindle, i start getting a new virus...W32.yaha....am i the only one getting this? oddly enough, i've gotten about 12 copies just today and they're listed as being from the same sender: pickette@bellsouth.net (i don't know if this one behaves like the klez virus, copying email addresses to cover its trail). -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 26 00:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03499; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:44:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 00:44:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021024113642.023f3b00@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 23:50:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: REASONable software looper question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:13 PM 10/23/2002 -0400, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >Matt, > >In a message dated 10/23/02 4:03:21 PM, nicholson_matt@msn.com writes: > > >Reason stands on its own for good synths for cheap. > >Like I said this is MOST of what I want it for. I've heard >some of the sounds generated by Reasons synths and >have been impressed. I was thinking of maybe, possibly >getting an Oxygen8 USB keyboard and playing around >with it in Reason. If there were also some sort of >"loop player" for my .AIFFs files that could be played from >the MIDI note-on/off from that USB mini-keyboard input it >could sort of replace my little hardware phrase samplers >too. Another option which has been touched upon but not fully discussed is that of doing a "roll your own" setup with an off-the-shelf sequencer and a set of VSTi's of your own choosing. The big plus with this sort of setup is that you get to pick the sequencer and only the instruments that really excite you. The downside is that it's a little more complicated that just tossing in an install disk and *bam* you get what they give you. One of the reasons I think this option was dismissed fairly quickly was that it was brought up in context of something like Cubase SX -- which is a great program but would admittedly be overkill given your requirements, not only in functionality but especially price. However, there are a lot of good budget sequencers out there which could act as VST hosts and therefore give you the option to pick and choose exactly the functionality you're seeking (especially if something like Ambiloop makes the jump over to VST-land). In particular, I've just begun playing around with Muzys (http://www.muzys.com), a fully-featured budget sequencer which, in addition to the standard "track-roll" sort of editing, features an interesting alternate form of composition. It has what essentially amounts to a loop sequencer that works with either audio loops or MIDI. It ain't Ableton Live, but it does have some of that functionality in that you can load in pre-recorded loops, justify them against each other (i.e. 'Loop A' plays six times in the span it takes 'Loop B' to play once), then control pitch & speed on each. Also,supports VST 2.0 as well as Rewire (PC only, Mac coming soon). If it sounds interesting, try downloading the latest version from the website. It's fully functional with the exception that it emits an audio dropout and soft hiss every 30 seconds or so. Back on Reason, I've never personally been a big fan of the "workstation" concept -- be it an old Korg M1 or a software package like Reason -- because inevitably some portion of the all-in-one-package is entirely unnecessary for my purposes or just plain sucks (although I've got to admit that Reason is better than most). You touched on this yourself, Ted, when you mentioned that your Roland guitar synth had a sequencer which is, for all intents and purposes, worthless to you. Yet, this is functionality that was factored into the price you paid for the unit. Regardless, before jumping for Recycle/Reason, check out the current issue of Computer Music (issue #52, on stands now in UK/Europe and to subscribers; due out next month in the US). Coincidentally, Loops just happen to be the main theme of the issue. However, it also contains a full workshop tutorial in Recycle, so you can at least get a good idea what it's like to work with the program. As far as the other articles, while they primarily concentrate on pre-recorded loops, there are a lot of techniques that can just as well be applied to any sort of repeating content -- live or otherwise. Worth a look on the newsstand, at least. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 26 12:13:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11569; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:12:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:12:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013001c27d0a$fb6461c0$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20021018224716.009043e0@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021124542.008c7100@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021021233505.007dbe40@pop.earthlink.net> <009b01c279be$f2398c00$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> <3.0.5.32.20021022115237.0090c290@pop.earthlink.net> <3.0.5.32.20021023230728.00924c80@pop.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:16:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hiya CQ! The text links are now available. Please let me know if this works correctly with your screen reader. If anyone else on the list is using other accessibility tools, I'd like to know if we have any other problems. Thanks! Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddess" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:07 AM Subject: Re: Looper's Delight File Library > Hi doug, actually, I only uploaded there because I wasn't able to open > any of the folders at the time, but this does bring me to a point. Aside > from deleting and re-uploading a file, is there a way to move one? > Also, regarding your last post, in reply to mine, the only way my screen > reader will read the alt tags of those particular links is by tabbing > through the entire list of links for the page. If the link were initially > visible to the Screen reader, it would in fact be able to read it's alt > tag, even if it were a graphical symbol with an alt tag, in this case > though, it's not actually seeing the link at all except in this one > particular way with the tab key. Go figure! lol! Anyway, FYI, the > links for delete and modifying the file, are also not working in Netscape. > I did manage to locate one, and clicked on it but got the same bad > request bit. Just wanted to let ya know. > I really appreciate all the time and effort you're putting into this, and > glad to see that it's already starting to generate list discussion about > the pieces and loopers and such. *laughing* Now I'll just have to be > able to access the download links! lollollol! Thanks a bunch, > for taking time to note my concerns and for your quick replies and > consideration. I really do appreciate it. Have a wonderful > evening!... > > Smiles, > > CQ > > At 10:04 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Another reminder on the file library: > > > >Please try to move into the directory that you want your file in BEFORE you > >upload it. We've seen a couple of people upload to the root of the library, > >and I have to move those files. I'll also add a reminder in the upload > >boxes. > > > >Thankie!! :) > > > >Doug > > > > > > > --- > > "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. > -Then, anything is possible..." > > http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates > > Please visit The Guitar Cafe. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 26 15:03:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23340; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:02:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:02:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:01:42 EDT Subject: Colorado gog spam: Chris Cutler, Janet Feder, Colin Bricker - in concert To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA23304 Resent-Message-ID: <4Zytb.A.hsF.9auu9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com PRESS RELEASE WHO: The legendary avant garde drummer Chris Cutler (Henry Cow, Art Bears) and guitarist Janet Feder with Colin Bricker on laptop computer WHEN: Monday November 4th, 2002 WHERE: The Bug Theatre - 3654 Navajo Street, Denver - telephone 303.477.5977 TIME: 7:30 p.m. TICKETS: $10 at the door Chris Cutler (www.ccutler.com) Chris Cutler plays his electrified kit, of which there is only one in existence. "Think of an electric guitar," he says, "then think of Fred Frith or Keith Rowe; I try to do the same thing with electrified drums, using piezos, radio mikes and a lot of pedals and peculiar objects." Chris Cutler once remarked that "for me, music has to be the deliberate and conscious organization of material to produce some kind of mutual effect in the human environment in which it is produced." During a performance at the MOCA-DC gallery in Georgetown on Saturday, Cutler offered a stimulating organization of some rather amazing materials. In an hour-long piece that scuttled forward and sideways through moments of stark beauty, the barefoot Cutler worked with a full drum set, a sampler and a wide variety of small electronic devices, most of which were fitted with contact microphones. He attacked his drum kit with all manner of things, including a pair of plastic roses. The resulting sounds occasionally recalled the otherworldly experiments of Biota, but Cutler's constant drum rustle, which echoed and whispered through the near-capacity audience, bore a unique percussive signature. Grabbing implements that included an electric toothbrush, hand drums, vibrating toys, a violin bow, an electrified egg slicer and a pinball, Cutler produced a piece that buzzed in the mind long after it ended and confirmed that his inspirational exploration of musical boundaries is still in full, glorious motion." - WASHINGTON POST Janet Feder (www.janetfeder.com) No one has proposed an amalgamation of the music of Bert Jansch, Leo Kottke, John Fahey, Joni Mitchell, Jimi Hendrix, and Karlheinz Stockhausen, but Denver based guitarist and teacher (Naropa University, Swallow Hill), Janet Feder has. She accomplishes this and more on her “prepared†guitars...producing music, noises and sounds which are never less than captivating and seductive. This is highly listenable and entertaining music. Tonight at the Bug Janet will be premiering new work with Colin Bricker (music director of 'The Angry Inch' band in Denver's current LIDA production of Hedwig and the Angry Inch) on laptop computer in their duo 'Cowhause'. "Somewhere along the line in her classical training (which gave her impeccable chops) Janet Feder jumped the tracks...the results are a kind of guitar music that you could not have imagined but which you've been waiting for, rife with surprise noises from weirdly tuned 'prepared' guitars (classical, 'wrong-strung' and Dobro)" - SAN FRANCISCO BAY GUARDIAN "In her hands the acoustic guitar is a power tool that shreds." - EAST BAY GUARDIAN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 26 17:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01594; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 17:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:46:30 +0200 Subject: German Manual From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Matthias, hi Kim! Since the european Version auf the EDP is coming out soon, i wonder if there exists already a manual in german. Carsten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 26 18:35:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05084; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:34:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:34:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DBB171C.4060902@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 15:28:44 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 Help (last time?) References: <20021025063226.92324.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think this was posted on this list before as well, but I found the info on re-calibrating the FCB1010 here http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/post.html . Good luck Kevin Louie Angulo wrote: >Hi Kevin, >I am also having problems with the expression pedals >they don´t send the pitches that i am giving for the >repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? >cheers >Louie > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 26 22:05:13 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19078; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:04:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:04:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009301c27d5e$62591bc0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott McGregor Moore" From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: The Ambient Ping presents Creepy Stuart Clark's Halloween Special Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:13:04 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Free - Every Tuesday Night - doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 @ club nia / C'est What - 19 Church St. at Front St. - Toronto 3 blocks east of the Union Station subway. map - http://www.cestwhat.com/map.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Oct. 29th - Creepy Stuart Clark with Michael Olsen It's time for Creepy Stuart Clark's Halloween Special, as the dark one returns to haunt our dreams with his latest creations forged on Reaktor software, bass, looper, delays and metallics. Close your eyes to see the large landscapes he paints. Dr. Clark's special spooky guest will be demented cellist Michael 'Igor' Olsen. http://www.fillspace.net Between Sets CD - "Majestic Twelve" by Chris Hutton A single unbroken work of primordial dark ambience and tribal rhythms, Majestic Twelve evokes terrain both ancient and alien. "Majestic Twelve" review by rik maclean With Hallowe'en fast approaching, I'm sure a number of you are finding your tastes headed towards a darker vein of music. If this is the case for you, may I suggest "Majestic Twelve" by Chris Hutton? Presented as a single track, this long form meditation on dark ambience is a chilling work comprised of a number of movements, each creating it's own unique environment. Sure to appeal to fans of Submarine Fleet or Lustmord, "Majestic Twelve" is a dark delight that opens strange doors that you'll never close again. CD available at http://www.cdbaby.com/hutton . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Ambient Ping presents free live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday at club nia (aka C'est What) featuring a comfortable lower stage area, perfect for attentive listening, plus a higher level with a bar, back room and more seating that's great for conversation, good food and the club's impressive beer, wine and whiskey selection. Musical treats are on offer at the PiNG THiNGS ambient/experimental CD boutique. Drop off food at PiNG THiNGS for the Daily Bread Food Bank too. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Nov. 5th - Chris Alexander & the Widening Gyre Between Sets CD - "Chance Encounters in the Garden of Lights" (disk 2) by Bill Nelson (Cocteau Records - 1988) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 26 23:32:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA25398; Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:29:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:29:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004101c27d4a$67ef8ec0$88b107d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: Subject: Re: German Manual Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:49:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01C27D5B.26C90780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C27D5B.26C90780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, is the release of the European version already dated and do you know the = price ? Best Leander ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carsten Wegener=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: German Manual Hi Matthias, hi Kim! Since the european Version auf the EDP is coming out soon, i wonder if = there exists already a manual in german. Carsten=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C27D5B.26C90780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi = Carsten,
 
is the release of the = European=20 version already dated and do you know the price ?
 
Best
 
Leander
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carsten = Wegener=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delig= ht.com=20
Sent: Saturday, October 26, = 2002 11:46=20 PM
Subject: German Manual

Hi Matthias, hi Kim!
Since the european Version auf = the EDP=20 is coming out soon, i wonder if there
exists already a manual in=20 german.
Carsten
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C27D5B.26C90780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 01:25:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00352; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:21:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:21:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: German Manual Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 22:20:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C27D3D.E7F4C390" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004101c27d4a$67ef8ec0$88b107d5@laptop> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C27D3D.E7F4C390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carsten Carsten -----Original Message----- From: Leander Reininghaus [mailto:l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de] Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 4:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: German Manual Hi Carsten, is the release of the European version already dated and do you know the price ? Best Leander ----- Original Message ----- From: Carsten Wegener To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: German Manual Hi Matthias, hi Kim! Since the european Version auf the EDP is coming out soon, i wonder if there exists already a manual in german. Carsten ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C27D3D.E7F4C390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Carsten Carsten
-----Original Message-----
From: Leander = Reininghaus=20 [mailto:l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de]
Sent: Saturday, = October 26,=20 2002 4:50 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: German=20 Manual

Hi = Carsten,
 
is the release of the = European=20 version already dated and do you know the price ?
 
Best
 
Leander
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Carsten = Wegener=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, October 26, = 2002 11:46=20 PM
Subject: German Manual

Hi Matthias, hi Kim!
Since the european Version = auf the=20 EDP is coming out soon, i wonder if there
exists already a manual = in=20 german.
Carsten
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C27D3D.E7F4C390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 01:17:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03624; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:16:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:16:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c27d4d$5679c590$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: German Manual Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:10:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C27D55.B3E42240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C27D55.B3E42240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable miko miko wtf? -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C27D55.B3E42240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
miko miko
 
wtf?
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C27D55.B3E42240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 01:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03737; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:17:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:17:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021026201238.022f6258@icicle.net> X-Sender: catilyne@icicle.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:26:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: Patch Bay Question...Belated Thanks. In-Reply-To: <20020929214321.47625.qmail@web80101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020929150548.0351cac8@icicle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I got yanked off on job-related travel for a while and wasn't able to properly follow up here. However, I did want to send off a quick note of belated thanks to Jim, Matt, & Jon (amongst others) for their advice on patch bay configuration in this earlier thread. Just FYI, the setup didn't seem as invasive as I'd feared (if you'll remember, my primary trepidation concerned adding yet more complexity to a setup I was supposed to be simplifying). Since I had already architected a configuration with the units hard-wired, it was rather simple to transfer that over to a wiring scheme passing through the AudioMatrix (so input 1 links to output 1, input 2 to output 2, 3 to 3, etc., as if the patch bay were not even there). Now the default pretty much mirrors the routing I had in place before I started, and I've now the option to completely reconfigure the order of all the units at the push of a button. Thanks again!!! -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 01:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA03995; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:25:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:25:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: German Manual Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 23:24:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C27D46.D9888220" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002901c27d4d$5679c590$06f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C27D46.D9888220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ignore - sorry -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 5:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: German Manual miko miko wtf? -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C27D46.D9888220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ignore=20 - sorry
-----Original Message-----
From: jimfowler=20 [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 26, = 2002 5:11=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 German Manual

miko miko
 
wtf?
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C27D46.D9888220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 01:49:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04718; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:48:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:48:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004d01c27d51$f311d3d0$06f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: German Manual Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:43:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0048_01C27D5A.51C04940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C27D5A.51C04940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no apologies...i have to admit, your late night posts are usually = entertaining (if nothing else). =20 now back to that german manual... -jim ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C27D5A.51C04940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
no apologies...i have to admit, your late night = posts are=20 usually entertaining (if nothing else). 
 
now back to that german manual...
 
-jim
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C27D5A.51C04940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 03:08:30 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA10120; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:05:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:05:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021027080502.75218.qmail@web40508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:05:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: FCB1010 Help (last time?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3DBB171C.4060902@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you bro! cheers Louie > I think this was posted on this list before as well, > but I found the > info on re-calibrating the FCB1010 here > http://www.altrion.org/fcb1010/post.html . > > Good luck > > Kevin > > Louie Angulo wrote: > > >Hi Kevin, > >I am also having problems with the expression > pedals > >they don´t send the pitches that i am giving for > the > >repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? > >cheers > >Louie > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 06:21:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA23616; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:20:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:20:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.193.192.224] From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:20:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2002 11:20:03.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB7770B0:01C27DAA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Note: This event is NOT tomorrow (Oct 27), as originally posted. It's been postponed to Next Sunday Sunday, November 3rd, Suitcase Ensemble, 8PM, $6-10 sliding scale 21 Grand 449B 23rd Street (3 short blocks from BART) Oakland, CA 94610 A night of mystery and spontaneity. Bay area improvisers will perform in various groups, with 2 strict rules: 1) The musicians are only allowed to bring what they can carry in a medium-sized suitcase, including amplification if needed. 2) The musicians are not allowed to reveal the contents of their suitcases until the moment they are playing. Participants include Greg Bossert, Bob Boster, Chris Broderick, Matt Davignon, Ryk Groetchen, Jacob Lindsey, Bob Marsh, Tom Nunn, Dan Plonsey, Gino Robair, LX Rudis, Moe! Staiano and Hanuman Zhang. Organized by Matt Davignon. _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 06:34:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA24125; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:34:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:34:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:33:49 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com why was it postponed? -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble Note: This event is NOT tomorrow (Oct 27), as originally posted. It's been postponed to Next Sunday Sunday, November 3rd, Suitcase Ensemble, 8PM, $6-10 sliding scale 21 Grand 449B 23rd Street (3 short blocks from BART) Oakland, CA 94610 A night of mystery and spontaneity. Bay area improvisers will perform in various groups, with 2 strict rules: 1) The musicians are only allowed to bring what they can carry in a medium-sized suitcase, including amplification if needed. 2) The musicians are not allowed to reveal the contents of their suitcases until the moment they are playing. Participants include Greg Bossert, Bob Boster, Chris Broderick, Matt Davignon, Ryk Groetchen, Jacob Lindsey, Bob Marsh, Tom Nunn, Dan Plonsey, Gino Robair, LX Rudis, Moe! Staiano and Hanuman Zhang. Organized by Matt Davignon. _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!  Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 08:10:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29753; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:08:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:08:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:09:22 +0100 Subject: Midi pedal for EDP From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <185n9O-0KMAU4C@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: <4EPa1B.A.jQH.QV-u9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everybody, I am a minimalist as far as schlepping stuff goes. I even think that there is an axis of relation of some sort between less gear - more challenge - better music. So I always try to evaluate my setup and rather use one thing less than one too much. With the old software version of the EDP I had even managed to get rid of the footcontroller and operate the unit by a single pedal for the record function plus frontpanel presses (using quantize for most functions). Now with all these nice new things you can do in LOOP 4 I am facing the bitter truth that I might need to get a Midi-pedal to use these (desperately needed) new features successfully. What kind of pedal would you recommend? The smaller, the better and - pleeeeeease - no wallwart!? Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 08:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30423; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:25:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 08:25:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021027132425.87663.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: Louie Angulo Subject: Re: Midi pedal for EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <185n9O-0KMAU4C@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Behringer FCB 1010 there is nothing like it for the price! cheers Louie > Hi everybody, > > I am a minimalist as far as schlepping stuff goes. I > even think that there > is an axis of relation of some sort between less > gear - more challenge - > better music. So I always try to evaluate my setup > and rather use one thing > less than one too much. > > With the old software version of the EDP I had even > managed to get rid of > the footcontroller and operate the unit by a single > pedal for the record > function plus frontpanel presses (using quantize for > most functions). Now > with all these nice new things you can do in LOOP 4 > I am facing the bitter > truth that I might need to get a Midi-pedal to use > these (desperately > needed) new features successfully. > > What kind of pedal would you recommend? The smaller, > the better and - > pleeeeeease - no wallwart!? > > Andreas > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 09:21:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01089; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:17:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:17:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: EDP hareware problem - help needed :-O Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:16:56 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000301c27dc3$82459c50$1a056dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20021027132425.87663.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <_sUn_B.A.rQ.CW_u9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, Any EDP wizards in here that can tell me what it means when the EDP powers up just showing "n.n.n.n.n" on the display? (the three in the middle are green and the left and right ones are red) Need to use this EDP next week for one of this years most important gigs :-( Hoping there is an easy fix or, if there isn't, that I can rent another one just for the gig. Best wishes Per Boysen __________________________________ www.boysen.se www.fuzz.se www.upsweden.com Phone +46 (0)8 341181 Mobile +46 (0)70 4416713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 11:02:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08178; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:00:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:00:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Mike Mann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:08:58 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Reply-To: rainbowsky@subdimension.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <83LJHEEAED42QMIG43ZU5NKF0B7ON71.3dbc0f9a@verdandi> Subject: Re: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" X-Mailer: Opera 6.05 build 1140 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matt, >1) The musicians are only allowed to bring what they can carry in a >medium-sized suitcase, including amplification if needed. >2) The musicians are not allowed to reveal the contents of their suitcases >until the moment they are playing. What a great idea -- was it yours? Cheers, Mike *wishing he lived close enough to check this out* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 15:05:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26282; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:04:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:04:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DBC3904.F2095DB3@friendlyspider.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:07:49 -0500 From: Gary Phillips Reply-To: gary@friendlyspider.com Organization: friendlyspider.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Suitcase Ensemble References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I like this idea...like to try it in Memphis... Do you give the participants X amount of time to re-bolt the neck of their guitars and tune ? Is AC provided...? --- gary @friendlyspider.com matt davignon wrote: > A night of mystery and spontaneity. Bay area improvisers will perform in > various groups, with 2 strict rules: > > 1) The musicians are only allowed to bring what they can carry in a > medium-sized suitcase, including amplification if needed. > 2) The musicians are not allowed to reveal the contents of their suitcases > until the moment they are playing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 27 17:09:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05198; Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:08:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:08:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021027220726.31490.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: SRice Subject: fcb1010 programming example To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm just back from a week away; two things caught my attention skimming LD digests(and deleting every other one.) First is the Doepfer midi controller, which is available "guts only" so I can (try to)attach my own pots. Second was a question on programming the expression pedals of a fcb1010. Here is an example of the latter. I'll start by assuming that is already connecting and working with PC messages. The steps below will program the 1010 so that whenever a switch is pushed, an expression pedal will transmit tempo change midi CC commands to a Repeater. 1) Tap the UP and DOWN switches to select a bank. >Each bank must be programmed separately. 2) Pick a switch which will put the expression pedal into change tempo mode. Any of the switches from 1 to 10 may be used. Tap this switch. >Note that within a bank an ex-ped may have more than one function. 3) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > You are down in programming mode. 4) Deselect every switch, and select switch 8. To select and deselect a switch, depress it for several seconds. > At this point switch 8 should be the only switch with an illuminated LED. >NB: Each switch can send several midi commands, this example uses only a single CC command. 5) Tap switch 8. Switch 8 should now be blinking. 6) Tap the UP switch. > This confirms your selection. 7) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "9" 8) Tap the UP switch. 9) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "0" 10) Tap the UP switch. 11) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "127" 12) Tap the UP switch. 13) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > You are now out of programming mode. So, in order to send a tempo change to the repeater, tap the switch you chose in step 2, then use ex-ped A. If you get unexpected or inconsistent results, the reason is probably that another switch is reprogramming the ex-ped. Either go through every other switch on every bank you use and disable the ex-ped, so that it never gets reprogrammed, or program the desired function for every switch. The ex-peds stay in the last state they were configured by one of the switches. By programming some(often the same) ex-ped function for every switch you can both maintain a given midi cc function for the ex-peds and change their function as desired. For my 1010 I have two banks set up for recording, and on one I use ex-ped A and B for levels on track one and two, and the other bank users A & B for levels on three and four. On two more banks most switches don't send any PC commands, but define the ex-pedals to access the many repeater parameters accessible only by midi CC. Yours in rhythm, Steve __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 02:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12716; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:03:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:03:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DBCE000.7080409@minds-eye.org> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:58:08 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fcb1010 programming example References: <20021027220726.31490.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the walk through. At this point I am even more confused than I was before. It appears that my Behringer is sending CC messages very strangely (expression pedal or not). For example, I go to program a preset with nothing in it, choose pedal six (CC) and select a command number and a value. Now the really strange thing is, neither of these seem to match ANYTHING in the Repeater midi command list. I can enter CC #03 and a value of 127 and it sends the Repeater into record. I can send CC#14 and a value of 03 and it sends the Repeater into record. I can send CC#14 and a value of 02 and it starts and stops the Repeater. The really frustrating part of this is not being certain enough of what I'm doing midi wise to troubleshoot this and rule out user error versus a defective unit (Repeater or FCB). I have a software upgrade on the way so perhaps that will solve the problem. Or perhaps I could simply scrap it all and go back to being happy. sigh Kevin SRice wrote: >I'm just back from a week away; two things caught my attention >skimming LD digests(and deleting every other one.) First is >the Doepfer midi controller, which is available "guts only" >so I can (try to)attach my own pots. Second was a question on >programming the expression pedals of a fcb1010. Here is >an example of the latter. > >I'll start by assuming that is already connecting and working >with PC messages. The steps below will program the 1010 >so that whenever a switch is pushed, an expression pedal will >transmit tempo change midi CC commands to a Repeater. > >1) Tap the UP and DOWN switches to select a bank. > >>Each bank must be programmed separately. >> > >2) Pick a switch which will put the expression pedal into >change tempo mode. Any of the switches from 1 to 10 may >be used. Tap this switch. > >>Note that within a bank an ex-ped may have more than one >> >function. > >3) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > >>You are down in programming mode. >> > >4) Deselect every switch, and select switch 8. To select >and deselect a switch, depress it for several seconds. > >>At this point switch 8 should be the only switch with >> >an illuminated LED. > >>NB: Each switch can send several midi commands, this >> >example uses only a single CC command. > >5) Tap switch 8. Switch 8 should now be blinking. > >6) Tap the UP switch. > >>This confirms your selection. >> > >7) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "9" > >8) Tap the UP switch. > >9) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "0" > >10) Tap the UP switch. > >11) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "127" > >12) Tap the UP switch. > >13) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > >>You are now out of programming mode. >> > >So, in order to send a tempo change to the repeater, tap >the switch you chose in step 2, then use ex-ped A. > >If you get unexpected or inconsistent results, the reason >is probably that another switch is reprogramming the ex-ped. >Either go through every other switch on every bank you use >and disable the ex-ped, so that it never gets reprogrammed, >or program the desired function for every switch. The >ex-peds stay in the last state they were configured by >one of the switches. > >By programming some(often the same) ex-ped function for every >switch you can both maintain a given midi cc function for the >ex-peds and change their function as desired. For my 1010 I >have two banks set up for recording, and on one I use ex-ped A >and B for levels on track one and two, and the other bank >users A & B for levels on three and four. On two more >banks most switches don't send any PC commands, but >define the ex-pedals to access the many repeater parameters >accessible only by midi CC. > >Yours in rhythm, >Steve > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 04:58:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA23979; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 04:57:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 04:57:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [63.193.192.94] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: suitcase ensemble Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:56:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2002 09:56:38.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F128EB0:01C27E68] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi again, Some answers re: Suitcase Ensemble. 1) Why was it postponed? There was a major experimental music event going on, closing out this season's Static Illusion Methodical Madness (SIMM) series in SF. Not only were some of the suitcase participants previously engaged with this, but it looked like most of the potential audience would go to the San Francisco event instead. 2) Was it your idea? Yup. I was trying to find ways to encourage local musicians to try instruments other than what they normally play, but I didn't want to dictate the instruments that they MUST play. The main idea came from noticing that several local experimental percussionists will bring a suitcase full of knick-knacks to accompany their drum sets. 3) Can I try it in Memphis? Sure! If you write to me after the show, I'll let you know how things went right and/or wrong, and how I think the idea might be improved upon. 4) Do you allow the musicians time to re-bolt the necks of their guitars? Uh, if someone can find a way to fit a guitar into a suitcase and still play it afterwards, it's fine with me! Matt _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 06:27:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31520; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:26:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:26:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:27:30 +0100 Subject: Electrix Repeater FS From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18682L-1ibkaOC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 520012547034-0001@t-dialin.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, anybody wtb an Electrix Repeater (little use, never gigged)? Location: Germany, bought it new this spring with the updated software for 800 Euro. Since I see the prices in the US go up for slightly used RPT's this might be o.k. to ask in Europe; or just make me an offer. Email me privately. Andreas P.S.: willing to trade for a EH 16 sec. delay in good shape :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 09:37:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14299; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:34:11 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:34:11 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: paulrichard10@attbi.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fcb1010 programming example Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:33:23 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 12 2002) Message-Id: <20021028143324.LIW7145.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Having recently purchased an FCB1010 to control a Repeater, I can appreciate your frustation. I've always experienced strange behavior from my Repeater when attempting to control my Repeater using PC's only. And this from three (3-count 'em) different MIDI pedals. For some reason, PC's alone don't seem to properly control MY Repeater. I believe I have the latest MIDI docs (O/S 1.1 addendum plus I downloaded the latest MIDI documentation form the Electrix website). And I'm running O/S 1.1. Anyhow, what I finally did to get the Repeater to function, is to program the specific PC AND the specific CC to send a specific function (i.e. RECORD, UNDO, etc.). Now, it (the FCB1010) works flawlessly. Maybe there are errors in the docs. Or maybe my Repeater is flakey. Don't know. Anyhow, try sending both the PC & CC for a function. Regards, Paul > Thanks for the walk through. At this point I am even more confused than > I was before. It appears that my Behringer is sending CC messages very > strangely (expression pedal or not). For example, I go to program a > preset with nothing in it, choose pedal six (CC) and select a command > number and a value. Now the really strange thing is, neither of these > seem to match ANYTHING in the Repeater midi command list. I can enter > CC #03 and a value of 127 and it sends the Repeater into record. I can > send CC#14 and a value of 03 and it sends the Repeater into record. I > can send CC#14 and a value of 02 and it starts and stops the Repeater. > The really frustrating part of this is not being certain enough of what > I'm doing midi wise to troubleshoot this and rule out user error versus > a defective unit (Repeater or FCB). > > I have a software upgrade on the way so perhaps that will solve the > problem. Or perhaps I could simply scrap it all and go back to being happy. > > sigh > > Kevin > > SRice wrote: > > >I'm just back from a week away; two things caught my attention > >skimming LD digests(and deleting every other one.) First is > >the Doepfer midi controller, which is available "guts only" > >so I can (try to)attach my own pots. Second was a question on > >programming the expression pedals of a fcb1010. Here is > >an example of the latter. > > > >I'll start by assuming that is already connecting and working > >with PC messages. The steps below will program the 1010 > >so that whenever a switch is pushed, an expression pedal will > >transmit tempo change midi CC commands to a Repeater. > > > >1) Tap the UP and DOWN switches to select a bank. > > > >>Each bank must be programmed separately. > >> > > > >2) Pick a switch which will put the expression pedal into > >change tempo mode. Any of the switches from 1 to 10 may > >be used. Tap this switch. > > > >>Note that within a bank an ex-ped may have more than one > >> > >function. > > > >3) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > > > >>You are down in programming mode. > >> > > > >4) Deselect every switch, and select switch 8. To select > >and deselect a switch, depress it for several seconds. > > > >>At this point switch 8 should be the only switch with > >> > >an illuminated LED. > > > >>NB: Each switch can send several midi commands, this > >> > >example uses only a single CC command. > > > >5) Tap switch 8. Switch 8 should now be blinking. > > > >6) Tap the UP switch. > > > >>This confirms your selection. > >> > > > >7) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "9" > > > >8) Tap the UP switch. > > > >9) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "0" > > > >10) Tap the UP switch. > > > >11) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "127" > > > >12) Tap the UP switch. > > > >13) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > > > >>You are now out of programming mode. > >> > > > >So, in order to send a tempo change to the repeater, tap > >the switch you chose in step 2, then use ex-ped A. > > > >If you get unexpected or inconsistent results, the reason > >is probably that another switch is reprogramming the ex-ped. > >Either go through every other switch on every bank you use > >and disable the ex-ped, so that it never gets reprogrammed, > >or program the desired function for every switch. The > >ex-peds stay in the last state they were configured by > >one of the switches. > > > >By programming some(often the same) ex-ped function for every > >switch you can both maintain a given midi cc function for the > >ex-peds and change their function as desired. For my 1010 I > >have two banks set up for recording, and on one I use ex-ped A > >and B for levels on track one and two, and the other bank > >users A & B for levels on three and four. On two more > >banks most switches don't send any PC commands, but > >define the ex-pedals to access the many repeater parameters > >accessible only by midi CC. > > > >Yours in rhythm, > >Steve > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 11:02:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21999; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:01:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:01:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: fcb1010 programming example Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:56:38 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c27e9a$9a2c19c0$7345230a@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021028143324.LIW7145.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i discovered that i needed to add +1 to the PC message numbers listed in the Repeater manual when i was programming the 1010; the PC numbering scheme must be 0-126 for 1010 and 1-127 for the Repeater (don't ask me why). the only notable exception to this that i have found is that the Record function appears to respond on the listed PC message number (i think it's PC4). hope this helps, mike > -----Original Message----- > From: paulrichard10@attbi.com [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:33 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: fcb1010 programming example > > > Having recently purchased an FCB1010 to control a > Repeater, I can appreciate your frustation. > > I've always experienced strange behavior from my > Repeater when attempting to control my Repeater using > PC's only. And this from three (3-count 'em) different > MIDI pedals. > > For some reason, PC's alone don't seem to properly > control MY Repeater. I believe I have the latest MIDI > docs (O/S 1.1 addendum plus I downloaded the latest MIDI > documentation form the Electrix website). And I'm > running O/S 1.1. > > Anyhow, what I finally did to get the Repeater to > function, is to program the specific PC AND the specific > CC to send a specific function (i.e. RECORD, UNDO, etc.). > > Now, it (the FCB1010) works flawlessly. Maybe there are > errors in the docs. Or maybe my Repeater is flakey. > Don't know. Anyhow, try sending both the PC & CC for a > function. > > Regards, Paul > > Thanks for the walk through. At this point I am even more > confused than > > I was before. It appears that my Behringer is sending CC > messages very > > strangely (expression pedal or not). For example, I go to > program a > > preset with nothing in it, choose pedal six (CC) and select > a command > > number and a value. Now the really strange thing is, > neither of these > > seem to match ANYTHING in the Repeater midi command list. > I can enter > > CC #03 and a value of 127 and it sends the Repeater into > record. I can > > send CC#14 and a value of 03 and it sends the Repeater into > record. I > > can send CC#14 and a value of 02 and it starts and stops > the Repeater. > > The really frustrating part of this is not being certain > enough of what > > I'm doing midi wise to troubleshoot this and rule out user > error versus > > a defective unit (Repeater or FCB). > > > > I have a software upgrade on the way so perhaps that will solve the > > problem. Or perhaps I could simply scrap it all and go > back to being happy. > > > > sigh > > > > Kevin > > > > SRice wrote: > > > > >I'm just back from a week away; two things caught my attention > > >skimming LD digests(and deleting every other one.) First is > > >the Doepfer midi controller, which is available "guts only" > > >so I can (try to)attach my own pots. Second was a question on > > >programming the expression pedals of a fcb1010. Here is > > >an example of the latter. > > > > > >I'll start by assuming that is already connecting and working > > >with PC messages. The steps below will program the 1010 > > >so that whenever a switch is pushed, an expression pedal will > > >transmit tempo change midi CC commands to a Repeater. > > > > > >1) Tap the UP and DOWN switches to select a bank. > > > > > >>Each bank must be programmed separately. > > >> > > > > > >2) Pick a switch which will put the expression pedal into > > >change tempo mode. Any of the switches from 1 to 10 may > > >be used. Tap this switch. > > > > > >>Note that within a bank an ex-ped may have more than one > > >> > > >function. > > > > > >3) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > > > > > >>You are down in programming mode. > > >> > > > > > >4) Deselect every switch, and select switch 8. To select > > >and deselect a switch, depress it for several seconds. > > > > > >>At this point switch 8 should be the only switch with > > >> > > >an illuminated LED. > > > > > >>NB: Each switch can send several midi commands, this > > >> > > >example uses only a single CC command. > > > > > >5) Tap switch 8. Switch 8 should now be blinking. > > > > > >6) Tap the UP switch. > > > > > >>This confirms your selection. > > >> > > > > > >7) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "9" > > > > > >8) Tap the UP switch. > > > > > >9) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "0" > > > > > >10) Tap the UP switch. > > > > > >11) Raise and lower ex-ped A until the numeric LED shows "127" > > > > > >12) Tap the UP switch. > > > > > >13) Depress the DOWN switch for several seconds. > > > > > >>You are now out of programming mode. > > >> > > > > > >So, in order to send a tempo change to the repeater, tap > > >the switch you chose in step 2, then use ex-ped A. > > > > > >If you get unexpected or inconsistent results, the reason > > >is probably that another switch is reprogramming the ex-ped. > > >Either go through every other switch on every bank you use > > >and disable the ex-ped, so that it never gets reprogrammed, > > >or program the desired function for every switch. The > > >ex-peds stay in the last state they were configured by > > >one of the switches. > > > > > >By programming some(often the same) ex-ped function for every > > >switch you can both maintain a given midi cc function for the > > >ex-peds and change their function as desired. For my 1010 I > > >have two banks set up for recording, and on one I use ex-ped A > > >and B for levels on track one and two, and the other bank > > >users A & B for levels on three and four. On two more > > >banks most switches don't send any PC commands, but > > >define the ex-pedals to access the many repeater parameters > > >accessible only by midi CC. > > > > > >Yours in rhythm, > > >Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site > > >http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > -- > > Wonderful! Wonderful! > > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > > If you try to hear it with your ears > > You'll hardly understand > > Only when you hear it in your eyes > > Will you be able to know. > > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 11:43:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25120; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:40:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:40:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <47.25329e5d.2aeec24b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:39:39 EST Subject: OT: For Terje Rypdal Fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id LAA25072 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there, Please pardon the guitar-geek speak here. Rypdal is not particularly a "looper" of any sort but he was/is a big influence on me (and I understand a few others guitar-o-philes on the list as well). I've been a big fan for nearly 25 years (gosh I'm old) and can't get enough of his sublime (but fairly infrequent) recordings. I was just checking out the website for ECM records (also a personal fave) and found out that Rypdal is due to have a new disc out soon . . . in November to be exact. The new disc is called "Lux Aeterna" and it sounds like another one of his fine guitar/orchestral cross-pollinations from the site's description at: http://www.ecmrecords.com/ecm/recordings/1818.html I can hardly wait. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 11:58:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27470; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:55:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:55:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: For Terje Rypdal Fans Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:54:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <47.25329e5d.2aeec24b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Did he influence Barry Manilow? The Piano Player? Oh, I mean, singer-songwriter. -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: For Terje Rypdal Fans Hi there, Please pardon the guitar-geek speak here. Rypdal is not particularly a "looper" of any sort but he was/is a big influence on me (and I understand a few others guitar-o-philes on the list as well). I've been a big fan for nearly 25 years (gosh I'm old) and can't get enough of his sublime (but fairly infrequent) recordings. I was just checking out the website for ECM records (also a personal fave) and found out that Rypdal is due to have a new disc out soon . . . in November to be exact. The new disc is called "Lux Aeterna" and it sounds like another one of his fine guitar/orchestral cross-pollinations from the site's description at: http://www.ecmrecords.com/ecm/recordings/1818.html I can hardly wait. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 12:15:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31562; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:13:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:13:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:13:14 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: For Terje Rypdal Fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a401c27ea5$4ceb7c40$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <47.25329e5d.2aeec24b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, he stole your title! >... > The new disc is called "Lux Aeterna" and it > ... > tEd ® kiLLiAn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 12:25:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32499; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:25:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:25:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Sender: chillyb@mail.cruzio.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:30:27 -0800 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: "William R. Walker," Subject: Re: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promote a show sometime where the performers can't bring any less gear than it takes to fill a pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be interested in a show like this. Keep me Posted Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 12:44:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01428; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:43:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:43:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021028094356.00b5dc78@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:44:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: Re: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Count me in. -Hans At 09:30 28/10/2002, you wrote: > Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promote a show sometime >where the performers can't bring any less gear than it takes to fill a >pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be interested in a show like >this. >Keep me Posted >Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 12:47:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01827; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:46:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:46:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:46:22 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: For Terje Rypdal Fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008c01c27ea9$f249f0a0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <47.25329e5d.2aeec24b@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah....but they don't even list a USA release date! Whatta pain in the... * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: OT: For Terje Rypdal Fans > Hi there, > > Please pardon the guitar-geek speak here. Rypdal is > not particularly a "looper" of any sort but he was/is > a big influence on me (and I understand a few others > guitar-o-philes on the list as well). I've been a big fan > for nearly 25 years (gosh I'm old) and can't get enough > of his sublime (but fairly infrequent) recordings. > > I was just checking out the website for ECM records > (also a personal fave) and found out that Rypdal is due > to have a new disc out soon . . . in November to be > exact. The new disc is called "Lux Aeterna" and it > sounds like another one of his fine guitar/orchestral > cross-pollinations from the site's description at: > > http://www.ecmrecords.com/ecm/recordings/1818.html > > I can hardly wait. > > Best, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 12:52:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02524; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:52:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:52:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <138.16c0f836.2aeed2eb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:50:35 EST Subject: Re: FCB1010 Brainache - Kevin, try this... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_138.16c0f836.2aeed2eb_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_138.16c0f836.2aeed2eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had similar wierdies some months back when setting up my FCB here. I tracked down what it was and it turned out to be a bug. If it's the same problem you can solve it by changing the MIDI channel number assignments a couple of times. I used a MIDI monitor to find out what was going on and if it's the same problem, basically the device was sending illegal MIDI data by misinterpreting the shipped MIDI channel assignment. Refreshing these by hand did the trick. Hope it helps. Link --part1_138.16c0f836.2aeed2eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had similar wierdies some months back when setting up my FCB here. I tracked down what it was and it turned out to be a bug. If it's the same problem you can solve it by changing the MIDI channel number assignments a couple of times.

I used a MIDI monitor to find out what was going on and if it's the same problem, basically the device was sending illegal MIDI data by misinterpreting the shipped MIDI channel assignment. Refreshing these by hand did the trick.

Hope it helps.

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--part1_138.16c0f836.2aeed2eb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 13:04:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04957; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:04:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:04:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <19f.ac7ad2b.2aeed5da@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:03:06 EST Subject: Re: For Terje Rypdal Fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA04886 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jim, In a message dated 10/28/02 9:14:16 AM, jimp@pobox.com writes: >hey, he stole your title! Naw, It's a line from a Latin mass, and a number of composers have done settings for it -- the most famous of which is probably Gyorgy Ligeti (who's piece was used in Kubrick's "2001, A Space Odyssey" film). My title was a deliberate play on the line from the mass and Ligeti's title, but I changed "lux" to "flux" -- making it not "eternal light" but "eternal change." So, you could say I stole the idea too . . . at least partly . . . in a way . . . :-) Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 13:07:36 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05139; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:06:30 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:06:30 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c4.bb9731.2aeed65b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:05:15 EST Subject: Re: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id NAA05094 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good one Bill! In a message dated 10/28/02 9:25:32 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: >Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promote a show sometime >where the performers can't bring any less gear than it takes to fill a >pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be interested in a show like >this. Hehehehehehehehehehheheheh. Best, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 14:18:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10232; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:15:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:15:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: gig with audio sample-check it out!!! Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:14:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sun, Nov. 3rd - Suitcase Ensemble Thread-Index: AcJ+rNsY0Na5GaxjSYCqbBgT4pCqrAAB+D0w From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2002 19:14:45.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[46820930:01C27EB6] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id OAA10193 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Loopers, I played another gig in Bloomington,In at the runciple spoon. Bascialy a coffe house and I played a 4hour set and it drew a crowd that actualy listened. The owner was very leery of having me play inside because he likes acoustic singer songwriter things, so electric stuff was taboo. Well, i ended up jsut using a minimal setup, amp and a boomerang and it worked out well.It was recorded with a roland vs880 hard disk recorder.the amp was just a solid state crate combo amp.I miked the amp with an sm57 beta mic. I posted some of the show online and you can take a listen to it at : http://www.dtguitar.com/spoonoct25sample.mp3 .runs abou 2:30 or so. Well, Let me know what you think, granted the equiment was limiting,but it actualy was fun t do a small show, but it woul be nicer to be able to switch to different sounds, but i didn;t use any effects other than the reverb from the amp which had only a single clean channel. Well, everything ws done live and was improvised. Well, after a few hours of that, things kind of flowed.Well, any feedback is welcomed. Cool, Denis Denis taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 14:51:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12734; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:49:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:49:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:48:36 -0800 From: Andrew Pask Subject: Re: gig with audio In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com on 10/28/02 11:14 AM, Taaffe, Denis G at dtaaffe@indiana.edu or somebody wrote: > Well, any feedback is welcomed. Yo Denis. Cool. It must be "MPEG Monday". Here's three right back at you, from a recent outing by DCL. http://www.kaleidacousticon.com/music/DCLlive1.mp3 http://www.kaleidacousticon.com/music/DCLlive2.mp3 http://www.kaleidacousticon.com/music/DCLlive3.mp3 Cheers one and all Andrew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 14:55:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13214; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:55:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:55:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:54:17 +0100 Subject: Loopfest Webcasting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <18682L-1ibkaOC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> Message-Id: <0AFC0783-EAAF-11D6-BD14-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, As most of the loopfests happen on the other side of the world from me, I had an idea. If any of you have shows/festivals at a venue which also has ADSL/Cable, then give me a shout. I can broadcast a pretty good mpeg-4 stream from Paris, and all you need at your end is a PC/Mac with QuickTime6 installed.... plugged into a PA system. I'm doing my first concert tomorrow like this, in front of 500 people in Cornwall, England. Its going to be strange :) -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 15:03:35 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15123; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:03:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:03:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:02:12 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: For Terje Rypdal Fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00e301c27ebc$e80b95e0$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <19f.ac7ad2b.2aeed5da@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com d'oh! i guess he won't be changing it to "lux eTORNa"... >... > >hey, he stole your title! > > Naw, It's a line from a Latin mass, and a number of composers > have done settings for it -- >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 15:28:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16373; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:25:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:25:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: For Terje Rypdal Fans Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:24:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00e301c27ebc$e80b95e0$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: <7s6FJ.A.F_D.G0Zv9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sounds like a Bangles hit or solo offshoot hit or hit-preceding-failed-solo-offshoot. ("Eternal Flame") LOL -----Original Message----- From: jim palmer [mailto:jimp@pobox.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: For Terje Rypdal Fans d'oh! i guess he won't be changing it to "lux eTORNa"... >... > >hey, he stole your title! > > Naw, It's a line from a Latin mass, and a number of composers > have done settings for it -- >... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 15:46:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19073; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:43:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:43:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:42:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Loopfest Webcasting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0AFC0783-EAAF-11D6-BD14-0003934B4712@solostring.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I'm doing my first concert tomorrow like this, in front of 500 people > in Cornwall, England. Its going to be strange :) That was a kiss of death 'should have touched wood' post. Just after sending this, the venue phone up and said that it would not be possible this time around due to technical probs (wiring problems, getting ADSL to the concert hall). :( Arse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 15:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19889; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:47:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:47:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: fcb1010 programming example Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:46:38 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c27ec3$33a72630$1b056dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021028143324.LIW7145.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA19704 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Från: paulrichard10@attbi.com [mailto:paulrichard10@attbi.com] > For some reason, PC's alone don't seem to properly > control MY Repeater. I can confirm this. Don't just program your midi controller from the Repeater midi spec chart. Take it slowly, feature for feature, and make sure it is working in praxis before going to the next one. Over here I found I had to use other PC commands than given in the manual for some functions. And the FCB1010 also has a rather misleading manual. pboy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 28 17:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29780; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:16:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:16:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a001c27ece$dcaec840$fde75cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for October 26, 2002 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:08:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <4-55lD.A.wQH.Ocbv9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown on 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #10 October 26, 2002. RECAP: I started with spacemusic, ending with some progressive rock. Along the way, I played the music of Richard Pinhas and Radio Massacre International (RMI) who will play at upcoming Gatherings on November 2 and 16, respectively. RMI will also be playing at ProgWest on November 9. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Free System Projekt Thalassa Atmospheric Conditions (Quantum) Wave World Another Strange Day on Another Strange Day on Gonxa Gonxa (VFR) VA [Headshock] Phone Home Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) VA [Headshock] Twilight Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) VA [Headshock] Darkness Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) Richard Pinhas Iceland Part 2 Iceland (Cuneiform) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [RMI] Roxette Lost in Liphook Hampshire Jam Preserved (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Flamborough Head Old Shoes One for the Crow (Cyclops) Plackband Ghost Town After the Battle (Xymphonia) VA [Robert Berry] Roundabout Tales from Yesterday (Magna Carta) Mangala Vallis The Book of Dreams The Book of Dreams (Tamburo a Vapore) Spock's Beard Devil's Got My Throat Snow (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Open Wide the Flood Snow (InsideOut) Gates * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on November 9. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 00:28:24 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29426; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:27:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:27:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00be01c29767$ce9b38e0$e364f93f@global> From: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" To: References: <200210281804.NAA05012@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: for TERJE RYPDAL fans Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 21:25:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Ted, I love Terje Rypdal myself too. I remember a wonderful track he did called 'Better off without her' years ago, where he played a solo up high on a FENDER 6 bass and then as the solo progressed he descended deeper and deeper, hitting notes never heard on a guitar. Because he was using distortion and starting high, it sounded just like a normal guitar solo and was really shocking and exciting as he kept going lower. Are you also aware that Lux Aeterna was the name of the fabulous choral piece of music by Eastern European avante garde composer Gyorgi Ligeti used during the 'monolith' scenes in Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey". A truly great piece of music!!! So eery and evocative. warmly yours, Rick (loop.pool) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 03:12:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08053; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:10:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:10:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <163.16683020.2aef9c40@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:09:36 EST Subject: Re: for TERJE RYPDAL fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id DAA08030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick-o-rama, In a message dated 10/28/02 9:27:42 PM, GLOBAL@cruzio.com writes: >Hey Ted, I love Terje Rypdal myself too. I remember a wonderful >track he did called 'Better off without her' years ago, where he >played a solo up high on a FENDER 6 bass and then as the solo >progressed he descended deeper and deeper, hitting notes never >heard on a guitar. Because he was using distortion and starting >high, it sounded just like a normal guitar solo and was really >shocking and exciting as he kept going lower. Yep. The track is "Better Off Without You" on Rypdal's 1975 album "Odyssey". Cool track. It's also on ECM's Terje Rypdal "Works" CD from 1985. I was not aware that the bass playing was Rypdal's on that track. I'd always sortta figured it was whoever his bassist was (Sveinung Hovensjø). He often gave sidemen lots of room to contribute. Interesting . . . I learn something new every day. >Are you also aware that Lux Aeterna was the name of the >fabulous choral piece of music by Eastern European avante >garde composer Gyorgi Ligeti used during the 'monolith' >scenes in Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey". Yes. I wrote in my reply this afternoon to: jimp@pobox.com >>. . . It's a line from a Latin mass, and a number of composers >>have done settings for it -- the most famous of which is probably >>Gyorgy Ligeti (who's piece was used in Kubrick's "2001, A Space >>Odyssey" film). My title was a deliberate play on the line from >>the mass and Ligeti's title, but I changed "lux" to "flux" -- making >>it not "eternal light" but "eternal change." So, you could say I >>stole the idea too . . . at least partly . . . in a way . . . :-) >A truly great piece of music!!! So eery and evocative. Yes, and I guess despite being a non-Catholic, I am in my own funny way drawn to the "spiritual language" of the liturgy of the Roman church that "Lux" comes out of" in ways that some of my more "church damaged" catholic and ex-catholic friends find amusingly naive. I'd like to think that it's merely that I lack their painful baggage and can respond to it as "art" or "poetry" and have a genuine sense of the "otherness" of it that they no longer are able to have because of a lot of ugly history. But I guess this is a looping forum so I better keep my non-musical commentary short. Western culture's triumphs are so often cheek-by-jowl with its failures -- so much so that they are hard to see for what they are sometimes. Ligeti's work is a modern masterpiece, bracing, intense, powerfully evocative (as you said). Interesting selection for Kubrick to make for that scene wasn't it? But it worked wonderfully in the film. I'm looking forward to Rypdal's own version (supposed to be out in early November in Europe). Who knows when it'll hit stateside. I've ordered a few things directly from ECM from time to time -- the exchange rate is a killer though. Then there's shipping, taxes and customs duties etc. And then it doesn't come exactly "quickly" either. Cheers, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 03:19:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08409; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:18:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 03:18:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <012b01c27f23$a4ff8fb0$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <163.16683020.2aef9c40@aol.com> Subject: Message from Stuart Wyatt (& plea for help) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:17:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Good morning world :) Stuart asked me to post this for him, he appears to be having difficulties with his subscription. Cheers Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk--------- Subject: Automatic Unsubscription Hi guys. I think the LD list server has borked. It is automatically unsubscribing me, saying that the mail is bouncing... but checking the mail headers produces some interesting things: > Received: from omr-r05.mx.aol.com (omr-r05.mx.aol.com > [152.163.225.133]) I dont use AOL. There are more AOL header references, and I can provide the full header if requested. > Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because > they are not accepting mail from stuart@solostring.com: > briscoe23 And briscoe23 is not a pop account that I use. I've tried re-subscribing twice, and have been unsubscribed in the same way, same error straight afterwards. I'm giving up. To my knowledge, my mail server is working ok, and I've been receiving the LD posts for a while now sans problems. So, as from last night, I'm not here :( *HELP* - Stuart Wyatt (stuart@solostring.com) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 06:04:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20367; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:00:41 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:00:41 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA831@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Contact" by Carl Sagan Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:54:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27F39.84D61040" Resent-Message-ID: <57FYqB.A.M9E.nomv9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F39.84D61040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I liked the movie. jodie foster, wasn't it? big round whirly thing at the end...... duncan. -----Original Message----- From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com] Sent: 25 October 2002 08:42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "Contact" by Carl Sagan the movie versus the book? -----Original Message----- From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?) Hi Kevin, I am also having problems with the expression pedals they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals? cheers Louie > Only when I am dead might people start to believe > how I am being killed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Cheli-Colando > [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM > To: loop > Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?) > > > Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the > manual, recalibrated > the expression pedals (why not) and took another > shot at programming the > FCB pedal to control the Repeater. The CC and PC > switches work fine but > the expression pedals still send all kinds of > commands to the Repeater. > I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to > monitor its behavior > (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I > have no idea what's > going on. This is where my tenuous hold on midi > begins to slip. > > Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to > send me your step by > step process for programming one preset that uses > one or both expression > pedals (say to control tempo or something)? I just > need to follow > precise directions that are known to work so I can > rule out or correct > my own ineptitude and start looking at other > explanations (bad unit, bad > juju, whatever). Off list would be just fine unless > this sort of info > seems useful to anyone else. > > And to think I spouted off that even I understood > this pedal. So sad > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Wonderful! Wonderful! > The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable > If you try to hear it with your ears > You'll hardly understand > Only when you hear it in your eyes > Will you be able to know. > - Dongshan Liangjie > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F39.84D61040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: "Contact" by Carl Sagan

I liked the movie. jodie foster, wasn't it? big round whirly thing at the end......

duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: MIKO [mailto:m-i-k-o@attbi.com]
Sent: 25 October 2002 08:42
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: "Contact" by Carl Sagan


the movie versus the book?

-----Original Message-----
From: Louie Angulo [mailto:laab2000us@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FCB1010 Help (last time?)


Hi Kevin,
I am also having problems with the expression pedals
they don4t send the pitches that i am giving for the
repeater.How did you calibrate the pedals?
cheers
Louie
















> Only when I am dead might people start to believe
> how I am being killed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando
> [mailto:kevin@minds-eye.org]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:40 PM
> To: loop
> Subject: FCB1010 Help (last time?)
>
>
> Okay, so I took some time off, traveled, read the
> manual, recalibrated
> the expression pedals (why not) and took another
> shot at programming the
> FCB pedal to control the Repeater.  The CC and PC
> switches work fine but
> the expression pedals still send all kinds of
> commands to the Repeater.
>  I'm afraid I can't connect this to the computer to
> monitor its behavior
> (thanks for the previous tip on MidiOx though) so I
> have no idea what's
> going on.  This is where my tenuous hold on midi
> begins to slip.
>
> Would any FCB1010/Repeater users be so kind as to
> send me your step by
> step process for programming one preset that uses
> one or both expression
> pedals (say to control tempo or something)?  I just
> need to follow
> precise directions that are known to work so I can
> rule out or correct
> my own ineptitude and start looking at other
> explanations (bad unit, bad
> juju, whatever).  Off list would be just fine unless
> this sort of info
> seems useful to anyone else.
>
> And to think I spouted off that even I understood
> this pedal.  So sad
>
> Thanks
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Wonderful!  Wonderful!
> The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable
> If you try to hear it with your ears
> You'll hardly understand
> Only when you hear it in your eyes
> Will you be able to know.
>       - Dongshan Liangjie
>
>
>
>


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F39.84D61040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 07:49:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA27320; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:46:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 07:46:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021029124559.99702.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 04:45:59 -0800 (PST) From: Eoin Cotter Subject: Roland MS1 sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <0q7A5D.A.upG.IMov9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have recently bought a roland ms1 second hand for half nothing as there was no instruction manual etc. However in my travels I have discovered that it needs a 4mb 5v aha type II card, which seem to be pretty thin on the ground to say the least.However it seems to be possibly to buy 8mb versions of the same cards. I would be grateful for any information on this product/smart card etc, and if someone could get me acess to a manual in some shape or form I would pray for their intentions until my dying day!.. Eoin __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 08:23:25 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30729; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:22:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:22:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA83B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Roland MS1 sampler Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:17:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27F4D.783A4810" Resent-Message-ID: <95XieB.A.jfH.Tuov9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F4D.783A4810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have recently bought a roland ms1..... it seems to be possibly to buy 8mb versions of the same cards. I would be grateful for any information on this product/smart card etc.....<< sorry I can't help with the ms-1, but these people (www.pccardsdirect.co.uk ) got me the right card precisely to work in my alesis s4+, when I'd given up all hope of ever getting my own noises into the thing. worth a try then therefore. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F4D.783A4810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Roland MS1 sampler

>>I have recently bought a roland ms1..... it seems=
to be possibly to buy 8mb versions of the same cards.
I would be grateful for any information on this
product/smart card etc.....<<

sorry I can't help with the ms-1, but these people (www.p= ccardsdirect.co.uk ) got me the right card precisely to work in my alesis s= 4+, when I'd given up all hope of ever getting my own noises into the thing= . worth a try then therefore.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F4D.783A4810-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 08:23:58 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30864; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:23:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:23:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: LinkTomlin@aol.com Message-ID: <95.24ddf64f.2aefe593@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:22:27 EST Subject: Re: Roland MS1 sampler To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_95.24ddf64f.2aefe593_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10502 Resent-Message-ID: <3GeW5B.A.ygH.-uov9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_95.24ddf64f.2aefe593_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eoin, I came up with these. Hope they help... http://www.zzounds.com/pdf.music?p=ROL476 http://www.zzounds.com/pdf.music?p=ROL475 http://www.zzounds.com/pdf.music?p=ROL120 Link --part1_95.24ddf64f.2aefe593_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Eoin,

I came up with these. Hope they help...

http://www.zzounds.com/pdf.music?p=ROL476

http://www.zzounds.com/pdf.music?p=ROL475

http://www.zzounds.com/pdf.music?p=ROL120

Link
--part1_95.24ddf64f.2aefe593_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 11:29:41 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16031; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:26:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:26:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA84D@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeaters in Europe Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:19:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27F67.044D0270" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F67.044D0270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" es geht nicht. in fact, these retailers don't have any electrix stuff apart from one who have the mo-fx and filterbank still listed. bah. duncan. -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: 21 October 2002 22:18 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeaters in Europe Stuart, I can second your opinion on Thomman, I didn't find the repeater listed in their online catalogue, though... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com] > Sent: Montag, 21. Oktober 2002 22:23 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeaters in Europe > > > I have just found a posting on the Electrix forum that says > that a few > companies in Germany still have the Repeater in stock: > > - www.musik-schmidt.de (775 euros) > - www.thomann.de (775 euros) > - www.rockshop.de (795 euros) > - www.musik-produktiv.de (795 euros) > > I can personally vouch for Thomann.de (their customer support is > fantastic). > -- > Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > > *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F67.044D0270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeaters in Europe

es geht nicht. in fact, these retailers don't have any el= ectrix stuff apart from one who have the mo-fx and filterbank still listed.= bah.

duncan.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
Sent: 21 October 2002 22:18
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Repeaters in Europe


Stuart,

I can second your opinion on Thomman, I didn't find the r= epeater listed in
their online catalogue, though...

        Rainer

Rainer Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de
digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de
The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stuart Wyatt [mailto:stuart@solostring.com]
> Sent: Montag, 21. Oktober 2002 22:23
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Repeaters in Europe
>
>
> I have just found a posting on the Electrix forum t= hat says
> that a few
> companies in Germany still have the Repeater in sto= ck:
>
> - www.musik-schmidt.de (775 euros)
> - www.thomann.de (775 euros)
> - www.rockshop.de (795 euros)
> - www.musik-produktiv.de (795 euros)
>
> I can personally vouch for Thomann.de (their custom= er support is
> fantastic).
> --
> Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com
>
>



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F67.044D0270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 11:44:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19154; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:40:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:40:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021029163950.53216.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:39:50 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210291323.IAA30826@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <2qu3a.A.fqE.Xnrv9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Well, it comes as no surprise to find out there are so many Rypdal fans on this list, myself included. I got into him back in high school, which was in the late 80's. I not quite sure how I first heard of his name, or which album I heard first. I do remember reading a review of the album he did with cellist David Darling, Eos, in Guitar Player. It was described as a "soundtrack to a movie about a cold, lonely place". THAT caught my attention right there, and I remember borrowing Eos from the library (that solo guitar thing that opens that album really knocked my socks off), though I can't remember if I ended up buying any of Rypdal's other albums before that. I think the first one I bought was my double LP copy of Odyssey. And then, basically, I started buying all of the stuff I could find by him, when I had the money. There were a couple I saw that I never got (like the second Rypdal/DeJohnette/Vitous album) but most of the Rypdal albums I saw in the stores, I ended up taking home with me. As I understand it, a few of the LP's I have never came out on CD. My favorite track from him would probably be Ballade, off Odyssey, where he alternates that beautiful trombone melody with the burning guitar solo, and I also like Per Ulv and Stenskoven (both on Waves) and There Is A Hot Lady In My Room And I Need A Drink off The Singles Collection. Anyway, getting back to the six bass playing on Odyssey, I always assumed it was all done by the bassist who played on that album, Sveinung Hovensjo (I don't know how to make the o with the line going through it on the computer, sorry). He's credited with 4 and 6 string bass, so whenever I heard something that sounded like a 6 string bass, I always assumed it was him. Also, am I the only one who has been disappointed that ECM left Rolling Stone off the CD reissue of Odyssey? They would have had to make it a double CD, sure, but they could have filled out the second with bonus tracks from that era (I know for the fact there's at least some decent quality live recordings in existence from that era, I know of live takes of Rolling Stone and Ballade that could be used, and who knows if there's any unreleased studio stuff that could also be included). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 12:38:12 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28235; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:37:01 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:37:01 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <92140A6CB1347643A9B7E1988B65BD8B02F4DF88@mail1.icc.state.il.us> From: "Simonson, Kevin" To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:36:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that fill sonically, or fill spatially? :) -K -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 How about "Each performer must bring at least enough equipment to fill the state of Delaware?" In a message dated 10/28/02 9:25:32 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: >Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promote a show sometime >where the performers can't bring any less gear than it takes to fill a >pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be interested in a show like >this. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 12:39:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27891; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:33:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:33:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [67.104.22.70] From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:31:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2002 17:31:57.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[14DDFE00:01C27F71] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How about "Each performer must bring at least enough equipment to fill the state of Delaware?" In a message dated 10/28/02 9:25:32 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: >Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promote a show sometime >where the performers can't bring any less gear than it takes to fill a >pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be interested in a show like >this. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 13:02:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31846; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:01:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:01:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA85B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:55:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27F74.65DCFAB0" Resent-Message-ID: <8Sbby.A.iwH.dzsv9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F74.65DCFAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "each performer must bring a piece of the Delaware" (the enormous multiple vcs3 that was once the heart of the BBC's own electronic music lab in maida vale, london, before it was unceremoniously dismantled). there was a suitcase version of the vcs3..... duncan. bored today, obviously. can't wait to go home. -----Original Message----- From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com] Sent: 29 October 2002 17:32 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 How about "Each performer must bring at least enough equipment to fill the state of Delaware?" In a message dated 10/28/02 9:25:32 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes: >Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promote a show sometime >where the performers can't bring any less gear than it takes to fill a >pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be interested in a show like >this. _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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"each performer must bring a piece of the Delaware&q= uot;
(the enormous multiple vcs3 that was once the heart of t= he BBC's own electronic music lab in maida vale, london, before it was unce= remoniously dismantled).

there was a suitcase version of the vcs3.....

duncan. bored today, obviously. can't wait to go home.

-----Original Message-----
From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 October 2002 17:32
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732


How about

"Each performer must bring at least enough equipment= to fill the state of
Delaware?"



In a message dated 10/28/02 9:25:32 AM, chillyb@cruzio.co= m writes:

>Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promot= e a show sometime
>where the performers can't bring any less gear than = it takes to fill a
>pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be inte= rested in a show like
>this.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F74.65DCFAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 13:26:37 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02786; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:23:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c27f78$0c3b2140$d32e5a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20021029163950.53216.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:21:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris wrote: > Well, it comes as no surprise to find out there > are so many Rypdal fans on this list My favorite TR recording has always been the first one I'd ever heard -- After the Rain. It reminds me of a collection of miniature paintings -- each one a unique and exquisite depiction of a particular mood. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 14:36:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10734; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:34:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:34:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:34:21 +0100 Subject: Re: German Manual From: Carsten Wegener To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004101c27d4a$67ef8ec0$88b107d5@laptop> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3118768465_725536" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Diese Nachricht ist im MIME-Format. Da Ihr Mailreader dieses Format nicht unterstŸtzt, kšnnte diese Nachricht ganz oder teilweise unlesbar sein. --B_3118768465_725536 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable am 27.10.2002 0:49 Uhr schrieb Leander Reininghaus unter l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de: > Hi Carsten, > =20 > is the release of the European version already dated and do you know the = price > ? > =20 > Best > =20 > Leander > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carsten Wegener >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:46 PM >> Subject: German Manual >>=20 >> Hi Matthias, hi Kim! >> Since the european Version auf the EDP is coming out soon, i wonder if t= here >> exists already a manual in german. >> Carsten=20 >>=20 Hallo Leander! Ich wei=DF nichts genaues dar=FCber, es ist in letzter Zeit einige Male bei Looper=B4s Delight dar=FCber gesprochen worden. Vielleicht versuchst du es mal im Archiv. Gru=DF=20 Carsten --B_3118768465_725536 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: German Manual am 27.10.2002 0:49 Uhr schrieb Leander Reininghaus unt= er l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de:

= Hi Carsten,

is the relea= se of the European version already dated and do you know the price ?

Best

Leander
----- Original Message -----
From: Carsten Wegener <ma= ilto:carsten@tyfoo.de>  
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: German Manual

Hi Matthias, hi Kim!
Since the european Version auf the EDP is coming out soon, i wonder if ther= e
exists already a manual in german.
Carsten


Hallo Leander!
Ich weiß nichts genaues darüber, es ist in letzter Zeit einige M= ale bei Looper´s Delight darüber gesprochen worden.
Vielleicht versuchst du es mal im Archiv.
Gruß
Carsten
--B_3118768465_725536-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 14:44:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12091; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:44:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:44:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021029194323.50165.qmail@web40704.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:43:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: lux aeterna (was Rypdal) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00be01c29767$ce9b38e0$e364f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1197851112-1035920603=:50016" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1197851112-1035920603=:50016 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A while back, I gathered up all of the versions of Ligeti's 'Lux Aeterna' that I could find and burnt them all to one CD (although I did leave off the English language version he did with The Bangles...) It's amazing how different the versions are, all interpreted from the same score. Gets ya thinking about the connections between Cage's aleatory stuff, Eno's 'happy accidents' and Oblique Stategies, and the unexpected results we get while looping and trying to replicate something we did earlier. Y'know? -t- --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1197851112-1035920603=:50016 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

A while back, I gathered up all of the versions of Ligeti's 'Lux Aeterna' that I could find and burnt them all to one CD (although I did leave off the English language version he did with The Bangles...)

It's amazing how different the versions are, all interpreted from the same score. Gets ya thinking about the connections between Cage's aleatory stuff, Eno's 'happy accidents' and Oblique Stategies, and the unexpected results we get while looping and trying to replicate something we did earlier. Y'know?

-t-

 



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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1197851112-1035920603=:50016-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 14:48:59 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12790; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:48:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:48:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021029194722.46747.qmail@web40707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:47:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1447211184-1035920842=:43344" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1447211184-1035920842=:43344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the audience/performer ratio permits, the performers could fill the hall, and the audience could sit on the stage, right? (I've played places where it felt like that!) -t- matt davignon wrote:How about "Each performer must bring at least enough equipment to fill the state of Delaware?" --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1447211184-1035920842=:43344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

If the audience/performer ratio permits, the performers could fill the hall, and the audience could sit on the stage, right? (I've played places where it felt like that!)

-t-

 matt davignon <mattdavignon@hotmail.com> wrote:

How about

"Each performer must bring at least enough equipment to fill the state of
Delaware?"



Do you Yahoo!?
HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1447211184-1035920842=:43344-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 15:27:19 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17533; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:24:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:24:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Per Boysen" To: Subject: SV: AmbiLoop 1.20 released Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:23:10 +0100 Organization: boysenmusikmediainternet Message-ID: <000001c27f89$078885f0$47056dd4@LILLPELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020709065738.55713.qmail@web12904.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > A new version of AmbiLoop is now available. New features include eight tracks > http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop > Thanks, > Chris Hi Chris, I know I'm a bit late to reply on this, as Ambiloop is already at version 1.40. But you see I gave it my first serious test today and was very impressed with what you can do with a midi controller like the Behringer FCB1010 and a laptop loaded with Ambiloop. Wow ;-) !!! Fantastic! Do you have plans to support midi clock with future upgrades? Kindest regards Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 16:46:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24336; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:44:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:44:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA85F@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: fcb1010 &c - some thoughts Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:39:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C27F93.AD21F8C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F93.AD21F8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" so I picked mine up today, and before I'd even got it home, the veil had been lifted.... basically, in the context of talking to (say) a repeater, the thing is the wrong tool. it's probably great for a fender cyber-twin, and I'll end up either selling mine or using it with one of my pod things. if I've got any of this wrong, please flame away. but flame behringer too. the manual's crap, and I'm a broadcast engineer and midi-musician of twenty years standing. how it works... what it does.... the footswitches are only ever used to recall or edit a preset. they can't be used to send individual prog changes. so each preset is a snapshot, if you will, consisting of as many as five programme changes, two controller values and a note. also, the preset contains setup information for the two pedals, so that aswell as the controller number they drive, you can define minimum and maximum values for each pedal in each preset. any of these items can be enabled or disabled for transmission when a preset is recalled, but you set the channels for each on a global basis. for us loopers, this ain't much use: a state-change requiring either a single pc or cc to be sent would use up a whole preset. even the basic transport commands mean using two button-pushes and the total memory of the thing quickly disappears just for the basics of a repeater. the tap-tempo/note transmission, which at first glance appears to be the responsibility of a footswitch that's out of reach for tapping (10/0) is actually done by repeatedly selecting the preset you're already on. that is, the note or controller value (depending how the remoted device implements tempo control) is sent when the preset is selected. so to send it again (which is how you'd use it for tap-tempo) you have to reselect the same preset on every eighth quarter-note or whatever. and.... this means that the snapshot controller values (not the pedal ones, the ones lurking uder footswitches 6 & 7) within that preset are also resent with each tap. so if you were to use the preset to establish a value for a controller that you then changed using one of the pedals or something else, tap-tempo would reset it for you. not clever. in fact, you lose one of the preset's controller values to the tap-tempo function anyway, if it's implemented using a cc on the box you're driving, so they tell you to disable it. and if you're using preset 7 (say), that's the button you have to tap. mad, isn't it? does anyone know of a better foot controller than this? I'm going to fetch a soldering iron to my pc1600 and add footswitches and pedals to it. I might even just gut the behringer and use it's switchgear as a remote for the peavey. or just get a bunch of footswitches and pedals and remote the whole front panel of the repeater. the warranty isn't valid anymore anyway. for the record, the peavey pc1600 is a bit more expensive, but it has 100 presets and 100 scenes that aren't necessarily tied to the presets. each preset holds setup strings analogous to the behringer's presets IN ADDITION TO THE FRONT PANEL CONTROLS; again, these aren't tied to what the 16 faders and 16 pushbuttons are set up to do, and can be an enormous string of cc's, pc's, notes, rpn's, nrpn's or meaningless hex- the choice is yours. the buttons can send notes, pc's, strings, strings wih a value defined by the faders... they can mute the faders... they can toggle between two states or be one-hits. the faders can send cc's, note numbers, strings... they can be limited, they can work upside down... two sockets on the back allow the connection of either two expression pedals (in addition to, not replacing any of the 16 faders) or one pedal and two momentary footswitches (again, adding to the buttons on the front and similarly flexible). all of this can be programmed from the front panel, sans computer, and you don't need to understand midi unless you want to go beyond cc's and pc's. and you get to name y'r presets. good copying functions, and it will learn from a connected device in case you were wondering how to find out a cc or nrpn number- no need. midi filtering/merging. remote preset/scene recall. I set a button up on mine to send a fixed-velocity note on, with the note number defined by the adjacent fader. releasing the button would send an all-notes off on that channel. what a noise! all this was on the version I bought six years ago. they make a better one now. if only it was pedals. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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so I picked mine up today, and before I'd even got it hom= e, the veil had been lifted....
basically, in the context of talking to (say) a repeater= , the thing is the wrong tool. it's probably great for a fender cyber-twin,= and I'll end up either selling mine or using it with one of my pod things.=

if I've got any of this wrong, please flame away. but fla= me behringer too. the manual's crap, and I'm a broadcast engineer and midi-= musician of twenty years standing.

how it works... what it does.... the footswitches are onl= y ever used to recall or edit a preset. they can't be used to send individu= al prog changes. so each preset is a snapshot, if you will, consisting of a= s many as five programme changes, two controller values and a note. also, t= he preset contains setup information for the two pedals, so that aswell as = the controller number they drive, you can define minimum and maximum values= for each pedal in each preset.

any of these items can be enabled or disabled for transmi= ssion when a preset is recalled, but you set the channels for each on a glo= bal basis.

for us loopers, this ain't much use: a state-change requi= ring either a single pc or cc to be sent would use up a whole preset. even = the basic transport commands mean using two button-pushes and the total mem= ory of the thing quickly disappears just for the basics of a repeater.

 
the tap-tempo/note transmission, which at first glance a= ppears to be the responsibility of a footswitch that's out of reach for tap= ping (10/0) is actually done by repeatedly selecting the preset you're alre= ady on. that is, the note or controller value (depending how the remoted de= vice implements tempo control) is sent when the preset is selected. so to s= end it again (which is how you'd use it for tap-tempo) you have to reselect= the same preset on every eighth quarter-note or whatever. and.... this mea= ns that the snapshot controller values (not the pedal ones, the ones lurkin= g uder footswitches 6 & 7) within that preset are also resent with each= tap. so if you were to use the preset to establish a value for a controlle= r that you then changed using one of the pedals or something else, tap-temp= o would reset it for you. not clever. in fact, you lose one of the preset's= controller values to the tap-tempo function anyway, if it's implemented us= ing a cc on the box you're driving, so they tell you to disable it. and if = you're using preset 7 (say), that's the button you have to tap. mad, isn't = it?

does anyone know of a better foot controller than this? I= 'm going to fetch a soldering iron to my pc1600 and add footswitches and pe= dals to it. I might even just gut the behringer and use it's switchgear as = a remote for the peavey. or just get a bunch of footswitches and pedals and= remote the whole front panel of the repeater. the warranty isn't valid any= more anyway.

for the record, the peavey pc1600 is a bit more expensive= , but it has 100 presets and 100 scenes that aren't necessarily tied to the= presets. each preset holds setup strings analogous to the behringer's pres= ets IN ADDITION TO THE FRONT PANEL CONTROLS; again, these aren't tied to wh= at the 16 faders and 16 pushbuttons are set up to do, and can be an enormou= s string of cc's, pc's, notes, rpn's, nrpn's or meaningless hex- the choice= is yours.

the buttons can send notes, pc's, strings, strings wih a = value defined by the faders... they can mute the faders... they can toggle = between two states or be one-hits. the faders can send cc's, note numbers, = strings... they can be limited, they can work upside down... two sockets on= the back allow the connection of either two expression pedals (in addition= to, not replacing any of the 16 faders) or one pedal and two momentary foo= tswitches (again, adding to the buttons on the front and similarly flexible= ).

all of this can be programmed from the front panel, sans = computer, and you don't need to understand midi unless you want to go beyon= d cc's and pc's. and you get to name y'r presets. good copying functions, a= nd it will learn from a connected device in case you were wondering how to = find out a cc or nrpn number- no need. midi filtering/merging. remote prese= t/scene recall.

I set a button up on mine to send a fixed-velocity note o= n, with the note number defined by the adjacent fader. releasing the button= would send an all-notes off on that channel. what a noise!


all this was on the version I bought six years ago. they = make a better one now. if only it was pedals.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C27F93.AD21F8C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 17:24:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27725; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:21:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:21:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:24:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3DAB0A13000109F7@mta08.san.yahoo.com> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: FW: RE: SV: AmbiLoop 1.20 released To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========/3DAB0A13000109F7/mail.san.yahoo.com" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --========/3DAB0A13000109F7/mail.san.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realized that I erplied directly to Per on this, and I thought the list= might be interested as well... :) --========/3DAB0A13000109F7/mail.san.yahoo.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from [207.20.3.51] by mail.san.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:21:23 -0800 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:21:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3DAB0A13000109EB@mta08.san.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c27f89$078885f0$47056dd4@LILLPELLE> From: "Chris Roberts" Subject: RE: SV: AmbiLoop 1.20 released To: per@boysen.se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Per, Chris Roberts here, I'm the guy who's implemented the MIDI support in Am= biLoop... :) Chris MacDonald (the original author of AmibLoop) and I do plan on sup= porting midi sync (both in and out) in the future... I can't commit to any dates,= but I am targetting being done with new MIDI features by the end of the year... And, I am not commiting to what those features are, lol, but, at a minimum they will include MIDI sync (clock, timecode, songposition poss= ibly) out and an greatly enhanced MIDI control system. The enhancements to the MIDI control system will include the ability to process MIDI input before= sending it to what it is controlling, for example, take a CC message, rou= te it to volume of track 1; and take that same CC message, invert it, and se= nd it to the volume of track 2, resulting in cross fading... I am also intro= ducing the ability to send MIDI triggers to 'processes' like an LFO... So you co= uld trigger an LFO, set it's rate, etc... I think there will be some really cool things that can be done with the new stuff... I hope this gives you (and everyone else) something to look forward to... :) peace -cpr >-- Original Message -- >Reply-To: >From: "Per Boysen" >To: >Subject: SV: AmbiLoop 1.20 released >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:23:10 +0100 > > >> A new version of AmbiLoop is now available. New features include >eight tracks >> http://www.evenfall.com/ambiloop >> Thanks, >> Chris > > >Hi Chris, > >I know I'm a bit late to reply on this, as Ambiloop is already at >version 1.40. But you see I gave it my first serious test today and was >very impressed with what you can do with a midi controller like the >Behringer FCB1010 and a laptop loaded with Ambiloop. Wow ;-) !!! >Fantastic! Do you have plans to support midi clock with future upgrades?= > > >Kindest regards > >Per Boysen > > --========/3DAB0A13000109F7/mail.san.yahoo.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 18:35:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01528; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:34:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:34:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00ab01c27fa3$73a846c0$a7bb07d5@laptop> From: "Leander Reininghaus" To: References: Subject: Re: German Manual Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:32:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C27FAB.C9F7F180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C27FAB.C9F7F180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: German ManualHi Carsten, alles klar. Das Ger=FCcht ging ja schon ofters um. Hoffen wir, da=DF = es diesmal stimmt ... Ich habe =FCbrigens vor einiger Zeit mal Trace Elliot in England = angemailt und die waren damals bereit, mir ein EDP ohne CE Zeichen zu = schicken. Allerdings sollte es damals 1900 DM kosten und das war mir zu = viel. Gru=DF Leander am 27.10.2002 0:49 Uhr schrieb Leander Reininghaus unter = l.reininghaus@editionrahe.de: Hi Carsten, is the release of the European version already dated and do you know = the price ? Best Leander ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Carsten Wegener =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: German Manual Hi Matthias, hi Kim! Since the european Version auf the EDP is coming out soon, i = wonder if there exists already a manual in german. Carsten=20 Hallo Leander! Ich wei=DF nichts genaues dar=FCber, es ist in letzter Zeit einige = Male bei Looper=B4s Delight dar=FCber gesprochen worden. Vielleicht versuchst du es mal im Archiv. Gru=DF=20 Carsten=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C27FAB.C9F7F180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: German Manual
Hi = Carsten,
 
alles klar. Das = Ger=FCcht ging ja=20 schon ofters um. Hoffen wir, da=DF es diesmal stimmt ...
Ich habe =FCbrigens = vor einiger Zeit=20 mal Trace Elliot in England angemailt und die waren damals bereit,=20 mir ein EDP ohne CE Zeichen zu schicken. Allerdings sollte es = damals 1900=20 DM kosten und das war mir zu viel.
 
Gru=DF
 
Leander
 
 
am 27.10.2002 0:49 Uhr schrieb = Leander=20 Reininghaus unter l.reininghaus@editionrahe.d= e:

Hi = Carsten,

is the release of = the European=20 version already dated and do you know the price=20 ?

Best

Leander
----- Original=20 Message -----
From: Carsten Wegener <mailto:carsten@tyfoo.de>=20  
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 11:46 = PM
Subject:=20 German Manual

Hi Matthias, hi Kim!
Since the european = Version=20 auf the EDP is coming out soon, i wonder if there
exists = already a=20 manual in german.
Carsten =


Hallo Leander!
Ich wei=DF nichts genaues = dar=FCber, es ist in=20 letzter Zeit einige Male bei Looper=B4s Delight dar=FCber gesprochen=20 worden.
Vielleicht versuchst du es mal im Archiv.
Gru=DF=20
Carsten
------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C27FAB.C9F7F180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 19:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06782; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:28:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:28:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DBEB74F.139A@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:29:03 +0000 From: scott kungha drengsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal References: <20021029163950.53216.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> <002b01c27f78$0c3b2140$d32e5a0c@u73x0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Sea I and II (w/David Darling,Jon Christiansen, and Kyjell Bjornstad) are both very beautiful. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 20:25:26 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12129; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:23:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:23:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:22:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3DBEB74F.139A@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've noticed that no one here listens to Indian music. -----Original Message----- From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal The Sea I and II (w/David Darling,Jon Christiansen, and Kyjell Bjornstad) are both very beautiful. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 20:44:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14397; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:44:13 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:44:13 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000b01c27fb5$a7694f60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:42:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <1Ibgc.A.RgD.Hlzv9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Search the archives. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal > I've noticed that no one here listens to Indian music. > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal > > > The Sea I and II (w/David Darling,Jon Christiansen, and Kyjell > Bjornstad) are both very beautiful. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 21:07:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17095; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:05:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:05:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:04:20 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <000b01c27fb5$a7694f60$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah that's what's disconcerting. -----Original Message----- From: Clifford Novey [mailto:om@om-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal Search the archives. c ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal > I've noticed that no one here listens to Indian music. > > -----Original Message----- > From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:29 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal > > > The Sea I and II (w/David Darling,Jon Christiansen, and Kyjell > Bjornstad) are both very beautiful. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 21:47:33 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22003; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:44:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:44:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001301c27fbe$05cb0460$6501a8c0@dslverizon.net> From: "Clifford Novey" To: References: Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:42:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Uh- ok- whatever you say! But this is what I found- Cliff Result for query 'indian music' Archive Top | Looper's Delight Home | Looper's Delight Mailing List Info ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 199610/msg00074:Indian classical music 39: represents the number of pulses in the rhythmic cycle. Most Indian music 77: I'll write more later about using Indian music ideas with loopers/delays. 199610/msg00078:Re: Indian classical music 24: associate with Indian music. I can't remember the name of the 33: by Indian music - David Torn and Robert Fripp spring immediately to 38: relationship between looping music and Indian music. Of course, this 199610/msg00076:Re: Indian classical music 27: >associate with Indian music. I can't remember the name of the 199610/msg00082:Re: Indian classical music 40: >represents the number of pulses in the rhythmic cycle. Most Indian music 78: >I'll write more later about using Indian music ideas with loopers/delays. 93: loops of Indian music as backing for energy bow loops on at least two occasions: 97: to use snippets of Indian music (looped from my Discman) in a planned 103: your melodic style to "fit" the textures and sounds of the Indian music. 105: I love Indian music anyway (having grown up in East Africa which has/had a 113: You are indeed correct about another thing-looping Indian music will be 199610/msg00095:Re: Indian classical music 35: for Indian Music books, instruments,recordings,etc. is the Ali Akbar Khan 36: college of Indian music in San Rafael ,CA . 199704/msg00117:Re: Indo-Funk Music at Open Secret 32: Rockwell is the only person in the world to play Classical Indian music 199711/msg00446:Re: On being complete nerds 38: ethnic forms such as Indian music and others of a more electronic nature 199901/msg00444:Re: creative ennui question/Oblique Strategies.....ragas 34: northern indian music by alain danielou 40: if you live somewhere where there is anyone teaching indian music, 199904/msg00165:Re: Asian instruments 71: Excellent question! One common aspect of Indian music and looping is that 199904/msg00227:Re: electronic 22: shruti, in that it is a constant, droning preesence in Indian music--fthe 199904/msg00231:Re: Indian music/"shruti"/tamboura/harmonium/etc. 3: Re: Indian music/"shruti"/tamboura/harmonium/etc. 9: Subject: Re: Indian music/"shruti"/tamboura/harmonium/etc. 31: most frequently used to describe the microtones used in Indian music (the 126: the looping talk exclusively to my interest in Indian music. If anyone 136: Subject: Indian music 199904/msg00242:Re: Re:Shruti, Drones, Tanpura 22: said, it's very tough to keep the drone going smoothly. In Indian music the 199904/msg00255:Re: Asian instruments 86: >Excellent question! One common aspect of Indian music and looping is that 199904/msg00270:Re: Asian instruments 106: Indian music performances currently tend to be severely overamplified. Of 199904/msg00284:Re: Asian instruments 27: classical indian music with electronic loop based grooves. 199904/msg00297:Re: Asian instruments 19: all this talk of Indian music(ians) has prompted me to point out some music 199905/msg00501:Re: Loop length query 38: Indian music. There are basically 2 types of instrumental composition -- a 199906/msg00244:Re: The Effects Of Looping...Or am I loopy? 27: The Divinity of Indian Music 199906/msg00277:Re: bailey book 22: of view, and in various contexts (East Indian music, jazz, 199906/msg00417:Re: bailey book 37: The parts about Indian music, explaining differences from Western notation are 199906/msg00296:The Mysticism of Sound 53: >The Divinity of Indian Music 199910/msg00605:OT: recording in India 19: Speaking of Indian music... I'm leaving for Calcutta environs on Monday for 199912/msg00505:Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar 25: complex text on Indian music theory or anything, just something to 199912/msg00855:Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar 31: > complex text on Indian music theory or anything, just something to 199912/msg00858:Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar 21: I don't know how good it is, but there's a "Theory of Indian Music - Sitar" 199912/msg00859:Re: Sitar Sounds out of a Guitar 60: >> complex text on Indian music theory or anything, just something to 200004/msg00668:Re: India 35: As an improvisor, I also observe especially the indian music. 42: We had several discussions about indian music and instruments here. 200004/msg00670:Re: India 36: >As an improvisor, I also observe especially the indian music. 43: >We had several discussions about indian music and instruments here. 200004/msg00678:Re: India 49: >As an improvisor, I also observe especially the indian music. 56: >We had several discussions about indian music and instruments here. 200007/msg00106:Re: another approach to looping 32: the traditional accompaniment in classical Indian music could be termed "playing 200007/msg00131:Re: another approach to looping 24: >the traditional accompaniment in classical Indian music could be termed 200007/msg00216:Re: Indian music 3: Re: Indian music 9: Subject: Re: Indian music 24: Indian music? 200007/msg00217:Re: Indian music 3: Re: Indian music 9: Subject: Re: Indian music 27: > Indian music? 35: Allap: a discovery of Indian Music Limit of 10 matched lines per file exceeded... 200007/msg00218:Re: Indian music 3: Re: Indian music 9: Subject: Re: Indian music 21: Another one I know of is _Practice of Indian Music_ by Daniel Schell. 36: > > Indian music? 44: > Allap: a discovery of Indian Music Limit of 10 matched lines per file exceeded... 200007/msg00219:Re: Indian music 3: Re: Indian music 9: Subject: Re: Indian music 44: Subject: Re: Indian music 50: > Indian music? 200007/msg00224:Re: Indian music 3: Re: Indian music 9: Subject: Re: Indian music 200007/msg00227:Re: Indian music 3: Re: Indian music 9: Subject: Re: Indian music 29: Northern Indian Music" (1980, Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers, New Delhi). 32: notation. Although Danielou's theories and writings on Indian music are 39: "Indian Music" by B.C. Deva (1974, Indraprastha Press, New Delhi [with many 41: A general overview of Indian music by one of the foremost Indian 52: "Indian Music In Performance - A Practical Introduction" by Neil Sorrell and 55: Indian music theory, scales, instruments, history, etc. Pandit Ram Narayan Limit of 10 matched lines per file exceeded... 200007/msg00232:Re: Thanks and granular synthesis 24: I'd like to say thanks for your suggestions regarding Indian music, so - 200008/msg00331:WKCR Indian Music Netcast 3: WKCR Indian Music Netcast 9: Subject: WKCR Indian Music Netcast 200101/msg00461:Re: Critiquing the critics (was: Re: Responding to "gig spam") 31: cadential device in Indian music. A phrase and a small 'gap' of silence is 200103/msg00828:Re: droning questions 72: classical Indian music, since it seemed designed more to allow a guitarist 200103/msg00832:Re: droning questions 22: drone is provided in Indian music by another 200105/msg00681:Re: LOOPING FESTIVAL CALL TO ARMS!!! 21: proposal. Indian music has/can have much looping, when used judiciously. 25: My problem is: Which software will especially suit looping in Indian music? 200105/msg00709:Re: indian percussion looping and such 23: >pragmatic>proposal. Indian music has/can have much looping, when used 200105/msg00720:Re: LOOPING FESTIVAL CALL TO ARMS!!! 21: Haresh, can you be more specific? What aspects of Indian music 38: > proposal. Indian music has/can have much looping, when used 45: Indian music? 200106/msg00849:Re: Looping Drummers who play tabla 38: of beats in a "taal" (rhythmic cycle) of Indian music. 41: common use in Indian music, some more obscure or lesser-heard taals are 200106/msg00852:Software Re: Looping Drummers who play tabla 25: so don't ask me.) Someone who knew Max and Indian music theory could 39: >cycle) of Indian music. I've worked with two different machines, 200106/msg00854:Re: Software Re: Looping Drummers who play tabla 38: > so don't ask me.) Someone who knew Max and Indian music theory could 52: > >cycle) of Indian music. I've worked with two different machines, 200106/msg00857:Re: Software Re: Looping Drummers who play tabla 52: >> so don't ask me.) Someone who knew Max and Indian music theory could 66: >> >cycle) of Indian music. I've worked with two different machines, 200106/msg00878:Re: Tabla loops, samples and my Indian Rhythm mistatements 53: That's true -- on the whole Indian music is much more geared to the 55: Indian music ususally a performance of classical music would be a very small 88: In Indian music the soloist (vocal or instrumental) is at the top of the 200107/msg00829:live microtonal guitar in NYC, 7.26.2001 29: and mesmerizing, Beardsley's playing is steeped in Indian music and blues as Limit of 50 files exceeded... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 22:04:50 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24368; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:02:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:02:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021029190232.00b6e008@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 19:03:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal In-Reply-To: References: <3DBEB74F.139A@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4CGQjC.A.S8F.Av0v9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I listen to Indian music. -Hans At 17:22 29/10/2002, you wrote: >I've noticed that no one here listens to Indian music. > >-----Original Message----- >From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:29 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal > > >The Sea I and II (w/David Darling,Jon Christiansen, and Kyjell >Bjornstad) are both very beautiful. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 29 22:50:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27500; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:40 -0500 Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:49:40 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005c01c27fc7$3dd23140$242c5a0c@u73x0> From: "James Pokorny" To: "loopers-delight" Subject: OT: Gig Spam - Phila, PA; Sun 10 Nov / Indian music Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:48:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id WAA27460 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Apologies in advance to the OT nature of the post, but seeing how Indian music is currently under discussion, I thought I'd bring it up. No looping content for this gig, unless you consider a tanpura to be a manual real-time looper. ;-) ************************* On Sunday, November 10th at 12:00 noon the Kimmel Center will present a recital of North Indian classical music by James Pokorny. The program will feature traditional ragas performed on the surbahar and sitar. The recital will be held in Commonwealth Plaza. Admission is free and open to the public. For directions please see the Kimmel Center website: http://www.kimmelcenter.org or call 215-790-5800 ****************************** James Pokorny received his primary instruction in North Indian classical music on sitar and surbahar from Dr. Allyn Miner, a sitarist and music historian associated with the University of Pennsylvania, with whom he has been studying since 1983. James has also traveled to India several times for advanced training under the guidance of Dr. Raj Bhan Singh, an eminent sitarist and professor of music at Banaras Hindu University in Varanasi. ****************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 00:54:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03949; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:53:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:53:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: RandomLFO@aol.com Message-ID: <174.1102b3a2.2af0cdbd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:53:01 EST Subject: Re: FW: RE: SV: AmbiLoop 1.20 released To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_174.1102b3a2.2af0cdbd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <68G0z.A.m9.GP3v9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_174.1102b3a2.2af0cdbd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Chris. Sounds Great!!! I am looking forward to the release of the next version. Thanks again for continuing to develop AmbiLoop. Marc In a message dated 10/29/2002 5:23:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes: > Hello Per, > > Chris Roberts here, I'm the guy who's implemented the MIDI support in > AmbiLoop... > :) Chris MacDonald (the original author of AmibLoop) and I do plan on > supporting > midi sync (both in and out) in the future... I can't commit to any dates, > but I am targetting being done with new MIDI features by the end of the > year... And, I am not commiting to what those features are, lol, but, at > a minimum they will include MIDI sync (clock, timecode, songposition > possibly) > out and an greatly enhanced MIDI control system. The enhancements to the > MIDI control system will include the ability to process MIDI input before > sending it to what it is controlling, for example, take a CC message, route > it to volume of track 1; and take that same CC message, invert it, and send > it to the volume of track 2, resulting in cross fading... I am also > introducing > the ability to send MIDI triggers to 'processes' like an LFO... So you > could > trigger an LFO, set it's rate, etc... I think there will be some really > cool things that can be done with the new stuff... I hope this gives you > (and everyone else) something to look forward to... :) > > peace > -cpr --part1_174.1102b3a2.2af0cdbd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      Hi Chris. Sounds Great!!! I am looking forward to the release of the next version. Thanks again for continuing to develop AmbiLoop.
     Marc

In a message dated 10/29/2002 5:23:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, cpr@musetrap.com writes:


Hello Per,

Chris Roberts here, I'm the guy who's implemented the MIDI support in AmbiLoop...
:) Chris MacDonald (the original author of AmibLoop) and I do plan on supporting
midi sync (both in and out) in the future... I can't commit to any dates,
but I am targetting being done with new MIDI features by the end of the
year... And, I am not commiting to what those features are, lol, but, at
a minimum they will include MIDI sync (clock, timecode, songposition possibly)
out and an greatly enhanced MIDI control system. The enhancements to the
MIDI control system will include the ability to process MIDI input before
sending it to what it is controlling, for example, take a CC message, route
it to volume of track 1; and take that same CC message, invert it, and send
it to the volume of track 2, resulting in cross fading... I am also introducing
the ability to send MIDI triggers to 'processes' like an LFO... So you could
trigger an LFO, set it's rate, etc... I think there will be some really
cool things that can be done with the new stuff... I hope this gives you
(and everyone else) something to look forward to... :)

peace
-cpr


--part1_174.1102b3a2.2af0cdbd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 01:46:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08053; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:38:53 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:38:53 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b101c27fac$14aade40$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 00:34:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <9-s1AD.A.l9B.y53v9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i host a world music program at wusm 88.5 fm...indian and african are my world musics of choice. the african has insane rhythms and indian is a whole new world, harmonically. i'm as western as they come, i guess. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 01:57:42 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08876; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:54:27 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:54:27 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: For James et al- RE: Again, Indian music- MIKO song GURU Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:53:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <005c01c27fc7$3dd23140$242c5a0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Go listen to my song GURU at http://www.mp3.com/miko - I created the song using only LOOPS (Sonic Foundry) and my voice. Don't be turned off by the thought that the loops were canned. I layered the sound in order to introduced complexity in the mode of "the sum is greater than the parts"... -----Original Message----- From: James Pokorny [mailto:j.pokorny@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:49 PM To: loopers-delight Subject: OT: Gig Spam - Phila, PA; Sun 10 Nov / Indian music Apologies in advance to the OT nature of the post, but seeing how Indian music is currently under discussion, I thought I'd bring it up. No looping content for this gig, unless you consider a tanpura to be a manual real-time looper. ;-) ************************* On Sunday, November 10th at 12:00 noon the Kimmel Center will present a recital of North Indian classical music by James Pokorny. The program will feature traditional ragas performed on the surbahar and sitar. The recital will be held in Commonwealth Plaza. Admission is free and open to the public. For directions please see the Kimmel Center website: http://www.kimmelcenter.org or call 215-790-5800 ****************************** James Pokorny received his primary instruction in North Indian classical music on sitar and surbahar from Dr. Allyn Miner, a sitarist and music historian associated with the University of Pennsylvania, with whom he has been studying since 1983. James has also traveled to India several times for advanced training under the guidance of Dr. Raj Bhan Singh, an eminent sitarist and professor of music at Banaras Hindu University in Varanasi. ****************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 01:59:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08976; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:56:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:56:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:55:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021029190232.00b6e008@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bravo. To whom? Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) - is Ravi Shankar's daughter? Shankar's also way cool of course. -----Original Message----- From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal I listen to Indian music. -Hans At 17:22 29/10/2002, you wrote: >I've noticed that no one here listens to Indian music. > >-----Original Message----- >From: scott kungha drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] >Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:29 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal > > >The Sea I and II (w/David Darling,Jon Christiansen, and Kyjell >Bjornstad) are both very beautiful. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 02:02:17 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09007; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:56:38 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:56:38 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:55:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <00b101c27fac$14aade40$04f8c440@g0wn7> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you host a show why aren't you giving us the info DUDE? -----Original Message----- From: jimfowler [mailto:jimfowler@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 4:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal i host a world music program at wusm 88.5 fm...indian and african are my world musics of choice. the african has insane rhythms and indian is a whole new world, harmonically. i'm as western as they come, i guess. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 02:09:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA10954; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:08:28 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 02:08:28 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DBF8465.7030601@minds-eye.org> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 23:04:05 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FCB1010 Brainache no more References: <138.16c0f836.2aeed2eb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8NfjRC.A.1qC.IV4v9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com HUGE THANKS for the tip Link, that solved my problems. I am a happy man again. The manual said that channel one was the default channel for all the presets so I have no idea how long it would have taken me to get around to trying this fix if you hadn't mentioned it. Thanks and thanks again. Kevin LinkTomlin@aol.com wrote: > I had similar wierdies some months back when setting up my FCB here. I > tracked down what it was and it turned out to be a bug. If it's the > same problem you can solve it by changing the MIDI channel number > assignments a couple of times. > > I used a MIDI monitor to find out what was going on and if it's the > same problem, basically the device was sending illegal MIDI data by > misinterpreting the shipped MIDI channel assignment. Refreshing these > by hand did the trick. > > Hope it helps. > > Link -- Wonderful! Wonderful! The sermon of the inanimate is inconceivable If you try to hear it with your ears You'll hardly understand Only when you hear it in your eyes Will you be able to know. - Dongshan Liangjie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 04:30:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA20144; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:29:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 04:29:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021030092836.58961.qmail@web21210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 01:28:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bradley Fish Subject: Re: for TERJE RYPDAL fans To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00be01c29767$ce9b38e0$e364f93f@global> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_Nfm5C.A.p6E.KZ6v9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com remove __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 08:01:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04374; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:57:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:57:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:58:10 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Raga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" > Bravo. To whom? > > Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) - is Ravi > Shankar's daughter? No kidding. > Shankar's also way cool of course. He plays too many notes too fast for me. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 08:20:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07163; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:20:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:20:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021030131928.22999.qmail@web40711.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:19:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1905904410-1035983968=:22431" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1905904410-1035983968=:22431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are you kidding??? MIKO wrote:I've noticed that no one here listens to Indian music. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1905904410-1035983968=:22431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Are you kidding???

 MIKO <m-i-k-o@attbi.com> wrote:

I've noticed that no one here listens to Indian music.



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HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1905904410-1035983968=:22431-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 10:38:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21890; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:37:55 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:37:55 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: secret@ax.to Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:33:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Ritchford Subject: Re: Raga Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: "MIKO" > >> Bravo. To whom? >> >> Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) - is Ravi >> Shankar's daughter? > >No kidding. where'd she get a name like Nora Jones then? > > Shankar's also way cool of course. > >He plays too many notes too fast for me. I seem to remember Salieri saying something like that about Mozart in Amadeus... I have to say that I wasn't really familiar with Ravi Shankar's work until I saw him play Alice Tully about 10 years ago. I expected him to be western-influenced and instead he presented a very formal and classical show which was also very expressive. Highly recommended is his collaboration with Yehudi Menuhin, "East Meets West" -- Menuhin gets raga form and the ornamentation style almost instinctively, it's uncanny. I also have a short interesting avant-garde CD whose name escapes me now, a sound track for a film, on the BBC label, with some lovely cuts with exotic instrumentation that I cannot place by ear (some of it sounds like a glass harmonica, for example)... /t -- http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 10:49:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22571; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:48:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:48:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:48:19 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Raga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005c01c2802b$c557a640$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MIKO" > > > >> Bravo. To whom? > >> > >> Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) - is Ravi > >> Shankar's daughter? > > > >No kidding. > > where'd she get a name like Nora Jones then? Her mother. Maybe it isn't too obvious, she doesn't have dad's nose. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 12:04:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31069; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:59:42 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:59:42 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:59:11 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Raga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02a701c28035$abc54750$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Pray tell, Your Highness, what notes would you have me remove?" > > Shankar's also way cool of course. > > He plays too many notes too fast for me. > > > * David Beardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 12:14:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32298; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:12:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:12:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:12:07 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Raga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001a01c28037$7a3140c0$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <02a701c28035$abc54750$080210ac@jpalmer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most of the ones that come after the alap. dB ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim palmer" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Raga > "Pray tell, Your Highness, what notes would you have me remove?" > > > > Shankar's also way cool of course. > > > > He plays too many notes too fast for me. > > > > > > * David Beardsley > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 13:04:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04663; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:03:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:03:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021030175447.19052.qmail@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "michael b" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Loopfest Webcasting X-Originating-Ip: 194.82.100.185 X-Originating-Server: ws3-5.us4.outblaze.com Resent-Message-ID: <9yK4yD.A.SIB.o6Bw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stuart, HEY! give me more details! I live in Devon and I'll drive down to see your show! Michael b ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Wyatt Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:54:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Loopfest Webcasting Re: Hi all, Re: Re: As most of the loopfests happen on the other side of the world from me, Re: I had an idea. If any of you have shows/festivals at a venue which also Re: has ADSL/Cable, then give me a shout. I can broadcast a pretty good Re: mpeg-4 stream from Paris, and all you need at your end is a PC/Mac with Re: QuickTime6 installed.... plugged into a PA system. Re: Re: I'm doing my first concert tomorrow like this, in front of 500 people Re: in Cornwall, England. Its going to be strange :) Re: Re: -- Re: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com Re: Re: -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 13:07:05 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04744; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000201c2803d$7d5b6fe0$3ce8883e@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA85B@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:23:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C27FE5.30735BA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C27FE5.30735BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 That was a Synthi 100. What a shame they binned it - I would have = taken it off their hands. The BBC had the first one made and I had the = privelage of being taught on serial no 02 while studying electronic = music. Serial no 02 still works! I also listen to Indian music Gareth "each performer must bring a piece of the Delaware"=20 (the enormous multiple vcs3 that was once the heart of the BBC's own = electronic music lab in maida vale, london, before it was = unceremoniously dismantled). there was a suitcase version of the vcs3.....=20 duncan. bored today, obviously. can't wait to go home.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: matt davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: 29 October 2002 17:32=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732=20 How about=20 "Each performer must bring at least enough equipment to fill the state = of=20 Delaware?"=20 In a message dated 10/28/02 9:25:32 AM, chillyb@cruzio.com writes:=20 >Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you promote a show = sometime=20 >where the performers can't bring any less gear than it takes to fill = a=20 >pickup truck? I think Ted killian might also be interested in a show = like=20 >this.=20 _________________________________________________________________=20 Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband.=20 http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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That was a Synthi 100. What a shame = they binned=20 it - I would have taken it off their hands. The BBC had the first one = made and=20 I had the privelage of being taught on serial no 02 while studying = electronic=20 music. Serial no 02 still works!
 
I also listen to Indian music
 
Gareth

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(the enormous multiple vcs3 that was once the heart = of the=20 BBC's own electronic music lab in maida vale, london, before it was=20 unceremoniously dismantled).

there was a suitcase version of the vcs3..... =

duncan. bored today, obviously. can't wait to go = home.=20

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How about

"Each performer must bring at least enough equipment = to fill=20 the state of
Delaware?"



In a message dated 10/28/02 9:25:32 AM, = chillyb@cruzio.com=20 writes:

>Cool Matt, Ok, then for guys like me, will you = promote a=20 show sometime
>where the performers can't = bring any=20 less gear than it takes to fill a
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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C27FE5.30735BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 13:46:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07517; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:38:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:38:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC0274C.7060508@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:39:08 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: for TERJE RYPDAL fans References: <200210281804.NAA05012@hemlock.violacea.com> <00be01c29767$ce9b38e0$e364f93f@global> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, man . That is on a great record called Odyssey. I have the double LP from 1975. The CD version omits a few tracks. FYI that's Sveinung Hovensjo credited with the 6 String Fender bass playing. Great music is ageless. Henry Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: >Hey Ted, I love Terje Rypdal myself too. >I remember a wonderful track he did called 'Better off without her' >years ago, where he played a solo up high on a FENDER 6 bass and then as the >solo >progressed he descended deeper and deeper, hitting notes never heard on >a guitar. Because he was using distortion and starting high, it sounded >just like a normal guitar solo and was really shocking and exciting as he >kept going lower. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 14:05:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10445; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:03:10 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:03:10 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC02D16.6070504@bagend.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:03:50 -0600 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: for TERJE RYPDAL fans References: <200210281804.NAA05012@hemlock.violacea.com> <00be01c29767$ce9b38e0$e364f93f@global> <3DC0274C.7060508@bagend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0ohSgB.A.4iC.EzCw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess I should keep up with my loopers list! I blush, I stammer, I apologize for the noise. Apologies once again for such a dunderheaded error. I retreat covered in embarrassment :-( ouch! HH Henry Heine wrote: > Yeah, man . That is on a great record called Odyssey. I have the > double LP from 1975. The CD version omits a few tracks. > FYI that's Sveinung Hovensjo credited with the 6 String Fender bass > playing. > Great music is ageless. > > Henry > > > Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote: > >> Hey Ted, I love Terje Rypdal myself too. >> I remember a wonderful track he did called 'Better off without her' >> years ago, where he played a solo up high on a FENDER 6 bass and then >> as the >> solo >> progressed he descended deeper and deeper, hitting notes never heard on >> a guitar. Because he was using distortion and starting high, it >> sounded >> just like a normal guitar solo and was really shocking and exciting >> as he >> kept going lower. >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 14:18:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11838; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:16:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:16:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA868@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ems and so forth Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:11:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C28048.2627AC10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28048.2627AC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>That was a Synthi 100. What a shame they binned it - I would have taken it off their hands. The BBC had the first one made and I had the privelage of being taught on serial no 02 while studying electronic music. Serial no 02 still works! I also listen to Indian music<< curiously, something looking remarkably similar to the delaware (named for the road where the bbc built the maida vale studios in a converted ice-rink) has turned up in the hands of music control, of alsager, staffs. they renovate and sell synths and will even undertake to source gear on demand, presumably by cold-calling known owners. so I wonder if it's the same machine? there can't have been many 100's made..... where is 02 then? the radiophonic workshop's two commercial releases have just re-appeared on cd, without too much fuss or repackaging, and are still a good insight into institutionalised creativity. they were birted in 1997, though many of the "composers" still turn up on bbc shows. I went to see trilok gurtu a few months ago; found it all a bit bland after a few numbers, like sainsbury's curries...... I guess I'm too locked in to western tonalities, intervals and rhythms vs cacaphonous pure noise to appreciate what he was doing, which was somewhere in between. evelyn glennie was more entertaining in the same concert-series. I can't believe she's deaf- I'm sort of hoping that one day it all turns out to be a hoax, like milli vanilli...... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>That was a Synthi 100. What a shame they binned it - I would have taken it off their hands. The BBC had the first one made and I had the privelage of being taught on serial no 02 while studying electronic music. Serial no 02 still works!
 
I also listen to Indian music<<
 
curiously, something looking remarkably similar to the delaware (named for the road where the bbc built the maida vale studios in a converted ice-rink) has turned up in the hands of music control, of alsager, staffs. they renovate and sell synths and will even undertake to source gear on demand, presumably by cold-calling known owners. so I wonder if it's the same machine? there can't have been many 100's made..... where is 02 then?
the radiophonic workshop's two commercial releases have just re-appeared on cd, without too much fuss or repackaging, and are still a good insight into institutionalised creativity. they were birted in 1997, though many of the "composers" still turn up on bbc shows.
 
I went to see trilok gurtu a few months ago; found it all a bit bland after a few numbers, like sainsbury's curries......
I guess I'm too locked in to western tonalities, intervals and rhythms vs cacaphonous pure noise to appreciate what he was doing, which was somewhere in between. evelyn glennie was more entertaining in the same concert-series. I can't believe she's deaf- I'm sort of hoping that one day it all turns out to be a hoax, like milli vanilli......
 
duncan.
 
 
 


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C28048.2627AC10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 14:20:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12074; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:19:26 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:19:26 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <011901c28016$3f84f870$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:14:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what info would you like? -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 14:20:38 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12184; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:20:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:20:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002101c28049$39e2ad80$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: "nicholson_matt" To: References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Subject: Re: Raga Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:19:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1086 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1086 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2002 19:17:58.0071 (UTC) FILETIME=[0E4D4C70:01C28049] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought her name was Anoushka. -- Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: Re: Raga > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "MIKO" > > > >> Bravo. To whom? > >> > >> Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) - is Ravi > >> Shankar's daughter? > > > >No kidding. > > where'd she get a name like Nora Jones then? > > > > > Shankar's also way cool of course. > > > >He plays too many notes too fast for me. > > I seem to remember Salieri saying something like that about Mozart in > Amadeus... > > I have to say that I wasn't really familiar with Ravi Shankar's work until I > saw him play Alice Tully about 10 years ago. I expected him to be > western-influenced > and instead he presented a very formal and classical show which was > also very expressive. > > Highly recommended is his collaboration with Yehudi Menuhin, "East Meets > West" -- Menuhin gets raga form and the ornamentation style almost > instinctively, it's uncanny. I also have a short interesting avant-garde > CD whose name escapes me now, a sound track for a film, on the BBC > label, with some lovely cuts with exotic instrumentation that I cannot > place by ear (some of it sounds like a glass harmonica, for example)... > > /t > -- > > http://loopNY.com ......................An "open loop": shows every Saturday! > http://extremeNY.com/submit .......................... submit to the calendar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 14:38:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13791; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:32:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:32:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001701c2804b$5fb38be0$0201a8c0@eluk> From: "S.P. Goodman" To: References: <20021030175447.19052.qmail@email.com> Subject: Re: Loopfest Webcasting Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:34:31 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <4ePtn.A.rVD.sODw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael b" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 17:54:PM Subject: Re: Loopfest Webcasting > Stuart, > > HEY! give me more details! I live in Devon and I'll drive down to see > your show! > > Michael b > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stuart Wyatt > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:54:17 +0100 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Loopfest Webcasting > > > Re: Hi all, > Re: > Re: As most of the loopfests happen on the other side of the world > from me, > Re: I had an idea. If any of you have shows/festivals at a venue which > also > Re: has ADSL/Cable, then give me a shout. I can broadcast a pretty > good > Re: mpeg-4 stream from Paris, and all you need at your end is a > PC/Mac with > Re: QuickTime6 installed.... plugged into a PA system. > Re: > Re: I'm doing my first concert tomorrow like this, in front of 500 people > Re: in Cornwall, England. Its going to be strange :) > Re: > Re: -- > Re: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com > Re: > Re: What time? URL? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 14:42:03 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14646; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:41:21 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:41:21 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <026b01c2804c$8f2f3260$85474ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <013501c26aee$5a9e9c20$9c444ed5@bigboy> Subject: Loop gigs in London and Reading next week - reminder! :o) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:42:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi-dee-loopsters! Just a quick reminder about my gigs next week with looping solo bassists, Michael Manring and David Friesen Tuesday 5th - Ocean, Hackney, East London - www.ocean.org.uk Wednesday 6th - 21 South Street Arts Centre, Reading - www.readingarts.com Thursday - The Bass Centre, Wapping High Street, London - www.basscentre.com (Michael and I giving a masterclass/clinic) hope to see some of you there - it'll all be loopaclicious - I'll have two Echoplexes and an MPX-G2, Michael will most likely have a JamMan and a Boss VF1, and David uses a Dod delay pedal for loops and textures... cheers! Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (new album - Not Dancing For Chicken - out now!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 14:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15066; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:45:39 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:45:39 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:45:09 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Raga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005c01c2804c$dac4de00$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <002101c28049$39e2ad80$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "nicholson_matt" > I thought her name was Anoushka. Anoushka and Norah Jones are step sisters. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 15:32:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19484; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:23:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:23:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:17:56 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: Raga In-reply-to: <002101c28049$39e2ad80$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <002101c28049$39e2ad80$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:19 AM -0800 10/30/02, nicholson_matt wrote: >I thought her name was Anoushka. He's allowed to have more than one daughter. http://www.anoushkashankar.com/ http://www.norahjones.com/ http://www.anoushkashankar.com/photos/photo10.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 15:36:52 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20224; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:33:44 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:33:44 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a601c28020$ac53ff50$04f8c440@g0wn7> From: "jimfowler" To: References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <002101c28049$39e2ad80$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: Raga Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:28:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com anoushka is a fine sitar player in her own right. i guess with a dad like ravi, you've got one of the world's best sitar players available for lessons perpetually. -jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 16:02:09 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24162; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:01:23 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:01:23 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <84.10dde66.2af1a247@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:59:51 EST Subject: OT strings in pop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i was asked today....."who was the first person to use strings in "pop" music".....any ideas?.....benny goodman at carnegie hall?.....i have no idea.....thanks.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 16:15:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25298; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:11:52 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:11:52 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:10:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Loopfest Webcasting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <001701c2804b$5fb38be0$0201a8c0@eluk> Message-Id: <0FAD9F68-EC4C-11D6-970E-0003934B4712@solostring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > What time? URL? It was meant to have been last night, however, it was cancelled at the last minute due to technical problems at their end (not having a long enough cable to go from their ADSL modem to the concert area)... :( At the moment, due to bandwidth constraints, I can only stream to one listener. I need access to a broadcast server before handling any other connections.... I'm limited to 128kbps upload. However, I'll give streams on a one-to-one basis if anyone is interested.... Maybe find a way for you to communicate back via a chat system.... Just email me, and I'll see what I can do. -- Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) - http://SoloString.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 16:19:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25784; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:19:08 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:19:08 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:20:47 -0800 From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: OT strings in pop In-reply-to: <84.10dde66.2af1a247@aol.com> X-Sender: zvonar@postoffice.pacbell.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii References: <84.10dde66.2af1a247@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 3:59 PM -0500 10/30/02, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >i was asked today....."who was the first person to use strings in "pop" >music".....any ideas?.....benny goodman at carnegie hall?.....i have no >idea.....thanks.....michael What do you mean by "pop"? I think you'll find that bowed instruments have been used in popular music for as long as there have been bowed strings and popular music. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 18:37:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04639; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:36:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:36:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <82.2337d12f.2af1c6a5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:35:01 EST Subject: Re: OT strings in pop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.2337d12f.2af1c6a5_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10637 Resent-Message-ID: <3mgnqB.A.IIB.RzGw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_82.2337d12f.2af1c6a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/30/02 4:19:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes: > I think you'll find that bowed instruments have been used in popular > music for as long as there have been bowed strings and popular music. > you are 100% correct!.....at the time it seem liked a good question, i'll have to find out what wendell meant by "pop".....michael --part1_82.2337d12f.2af1c6a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/30/02 4:19:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, zvonar@zvonar.com writes:


I think you'll find that bowed instruments have been used in popular
music for as long as there have been bowed strings and popular music.


you are 100% correct!.....at the time it seem liked a good question, i'll have to find out what wendell meant by "pop".....michael
--part1_82.2337d12f.2af1c6a5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 19:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11469; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:13:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:13:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Raga Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:12:35 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <_HByNC.A.LtC.WWHw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That both have those ever popular butt-top tattoos! -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zvonar [mailto:zvonar@zvonar.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raga At 11:19 AM -0800 10/30/02, nicholson_matt wrote: >I thought her name was Anoushka. He's allowed to have more than one daughter. http://www.anoushkashankar.com/ http://www.norahjones.com/ http://www.anoushkashankar.com/photos/photo10.html -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 19:15:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11765; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:15:05 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:15:05 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC07515.3C1E6214@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:11:02 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone interested in a new album? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello list, I've been recording my latest explorations of the Echoplex for the last couple of months, and have decided that my looping has evolved to a point where I'm ready to make a new, official CD release out of it. To that end, I'm currently trying to determine how much interest there may be for such a thing, and how feasible it would be to press it up. So I've set up a web page where you can send me feedback via an online form, as well as get more in-depth information about this new material: http://www.altruistmusic.com/news/album2.html If anyone here has an interest in a new CD of my Echoplex work, I'd very greatly appreciate your taking a couple of minutes to fill out the info and send me your thoughts about it. Meanwhile, I'll keep the list posted with some sneak-previews of this material before too long... Many thanks, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 19:25:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12386; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:22:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:22:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:23:06 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Raga To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005901c28073$afd59640$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <4_vMQB.A.SAD.MfHw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" > That both have those ever popular butt-top tattoos! It's good to see that they get along. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 20:44:56 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18825; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:43:17 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:43:17 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Raga Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:42:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <005901c28073$afd59640$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You got me there. ??? I guess both were willing, not just one. -----Original Message----- From: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raga ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" > That both have those ever popular butt-top tattoos! It's good to see that they get along. * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 21:17:55 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22501; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:17:24 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:17:24 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:17:06 -0800 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a new album? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: Greg Kucharo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DC07515.3C1E6214@earthlink.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Resent-Message-ID: <4B89I.A.UfF.nKJw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hrm. Mac IE didn't like your form. But my answer is , yes I would love to have a new album and I wouldn't need anything in advance to buy it in advance. I would dig a mixture of live Echoplex stuff and composed stuff. On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > Hello list, > > I've been recording my latest explorations of the Echoplex for the last > couple of months, and have decided that my looping has evolved to a > point where I'm ready to make a new, official CD release out of it. To > that end, I'm currently trying to determine how much interest there may > be for such a thing, and how feasible it would be to press it up. > > So I've set up a web page where you can send me feedback via an online > form, as well as get more in-depth information about this new material: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/news/album2.html > > If anyone here has an interest in a new CD of my Echoplex work, I'd > very > greatly appreciate your taking a couple of minutes to fill out the info > and send me your thoughts about it. Meanwhile, I'll keep the list > posted with some sneak-previews of this material before too long... > > Many thanks, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 22:01:44 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25298; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:58:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:58:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021031025756.34412.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:57:56 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: OT: EMS Synthi 100 and Klaus Schulze To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210310025.TAA12656@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Yes, the Synthi 100! I remember seeing a photo of one in a book once. The thing was HUGE!!! I seem to recall reading that the BBC's counterpart in what was at the time West Germany, also had one. I seem to recall that Stockhausen did a lot of his work during the early 70's on it. And yeah, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop did come up with some amazing music. Anyone who doubts this need only to watch pretty much any Jon Pertwee era Dr. Who episode. :-) Speaking of synthesizers, I just got Klaus Schulze's X today in the mail. GREAT album! It always amazes me at how much music Klaus fit onto his albums, even back in the 70's (this one is a double CD and each disc is nearly an hour long, WITHOUT BONUS TRACKS). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 22:36:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30496; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:35:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:35:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021031033515.42676.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Critics! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210090804.EAA20935@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <> Well, of course, he'd say that. He's a tin eared record critic. It's seems almost a pre-requisite for being a record critic that you not actually know anything about music. I think Mr Considine is the one who needs to shut up! <> I've forgotten where I saw the review, maybe it's the one you're thinking of, but the review went on for like a paragraph, and then finally concluded with "TTL SHT". There was a good review of a Man Without Hats album in Musician that went thusly: "You can dance if you want to, but you probably won't". But I think the best review I've ever seen, and again, another example of how short sighted most music critics are, was for the first Uriah Heep album, I believe, published in Rolling Stone. It was actually a conventional review that went on for several paragraphs, most of which I've never had a chance to read, but the opening sentence is an oft-quoted item when refering to how hard rock and metal in general (and Heep in particular) been raked over the coals by the critics: "If this band makes it, I'm going to have to kill myself". Thanks for being completely clueless, man! How's that janitorial job working out for ya? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 22:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31865; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:50:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:50:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009701c28090$8bf30240$6d285a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <20021031033515.42676.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Critics! Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:49:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris wrote: > There was a good review of a Man Without Hats > album in Musician that went thusly: "You can dance > if you want to, but you probably won't". I have no familiarity with the band other than hearing their name back in the day. However, a friend of mine managed a rock club in the early 80's, at which this band bombed. From then on, he always referred to them as "Men Without Hits." :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 23:07:45 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02175; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:06:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:06:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c28092$ceecc840$9707a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20021031025756.34412.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EMS Synthi 100 and Klaus Schulze Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [68.160.7.151] at Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:06:01 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The drum solo on Groon, from King Crimson's EARTHBOUND, is processed through an EMS Synthi100. God, I miss drum solo's... David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Richards" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: OT: EMS Synthi 100 and Klaus Schulze > < it - I would have taken it off their hands. The > BBC had the first one made and I had the > privelage of being taught on serial no 02 while > studying electronic music. Serial no 02 still > works!>> > > Yes, the Synthi 100! I remember seeing a photo of > one in a book once. The thing was HUGE!!! I seem > to recall reading that the BBC's counterpart in > what was at the time West Germany, also had one. > I seem to recall that Stockhausen did a lot of > his work during the early 70's on it. > > And yeah, the BBC Radiophonic Workshop did come > up with some amazing music. Anyone who doubts > this need only to watch pretty much any Jon > Pertwee era Dr. Who episode. :-) > > Speaking of synthesizers, I just got Klaus > Schulze's X today in the mail. GREAT album! It > always amazes me at how much music Klaus fit onto > his albums, even back in the 70's (this one is a > double CD and each disc is nearly an hour long, > WITHOUT BONUS TRACKS). > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 30 23:50:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04881; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:47:43 -0500 Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:47:43 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EMS Synthi 100 and Klaus Schulze Message-ID: <1036039648.3dc0b5e091350@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <20021031025756.34412.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> <000601c28092$ceecc840$9707a044@hppav> In-Reply-To: <000601c28092$ceecc840$9707a044@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 216.166.195.91 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting David : > The drum solo on Groon, from King Crimson's EARTHBOUND, is processed > through an EMS Synthi100. i'm afraid not. it was processed through a VCS3 operated by Pete Sinfield. a Synthi 100 would not have fit in Crimson's tour van. hmm a thread involving EMS, Dr Who, King Crimson, and Klaus Schulze. i should probably make another post. :) Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 00:18:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08053; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:17:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:17:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021031161042.027b4ec0@phaesler.org> X-Sender: woz@phaesler.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:12:03 +1100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Woz Subject: Jamman for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone. I'm in Australia and am selling my Jamman. Anyone interested? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 00:24:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08574; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:22:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:22:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Critics! Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:21:55 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <009701c28090$8bf30240$6d285a0c@u73x0> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was "Men Without Hats" "You can dance if you want to you can leave your friends behind Cause if friends won't dance and if they won't dance well they're no friends of mine" Is really how THAT goes the 'but you probably won't" seems almost like sarcastic or sardonic (?) commentary on someone not following a proper path to self-release -----Original Message----- From: Cino [mailto:CinoPolnesi@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:50 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Critics! Chris wrote: > There was a good review of a Man Without Hats > album in Musician that went thusly: "You can dance > if you want to, but you probably won't". I have no familiarity with the band other than hearing their name back in the day. However, a friend of mine managed a rock club in the early 80's, at which this band bombed. From then on, he always referred to them as "Men Without Hits." :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 00:58:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10432; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:57:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:57:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003101c280a1$3b9b03e0$950c893e@GarethWhittock> From: "Gareth Whittock" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA868@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: ems and so forth Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:49:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C280A1.3AD19960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <6eXmKD.A.riC.8YMw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C280A1.3AD19960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732 Hi Duncan, I'll check music contrl up after sending this email. Serial 02 is in Cardiff University - in the physics department It was = always very well maintained along with some VCS3's and a suitcase = synthi! My idol is Hariprasad Chaurasia - very intimate, beautiful music. Where you from? I'm in South Wales. Gareth curiously, something looking remarkably similar to the delaware (named = for the road where the bbc built the maida vale studios in a converted = ice-rink) has turned up in the hands of music control, of alsager, = staffs. they renovate and sell synths and will even undertake to source = gear on demand, presumably by cold-calling known owners. so I wonder if = it's the same machine? there can't have been many 100's made..... where = is 02 then? the radiophonic workshop's two commercial releases have just = re-appeared on cd, without too much fuss or repackaging, and are still a = good insight into institutionalised creativity. they were birted in = 1997, though many of the "composers" still turn up on bbc shows. I went to see trilok gurtu a few months ago; found it all a bit bland = after a few numbers, like sainsbury's curries...... I guess I'm too locked in to western tonalities, intervals and rhythms = vs cacaphonous pure noise to appreciate what he was doing, which was = somewhere in between. evelyn glennie was more entertaining in the same = concert-series. I can't believe she's deaf- I'm sort of hoping that one = day it all turns out to be a hoax, like milli vanilli...... duncan. = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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Hi Duncan,
I'll check music contrl up after sending = this=20 email.
Serial 02 is in Cardiff University - in the = physics=20 department It was always very well maintained along with some VCS3's = and a=20 suitcase synthi!
My idol is Hariprasad Chaurasia - very = intimate,=20 beautiful music.
Where you from?
I'm in South Wales.
Gareth
 
curiously, = something=20 looking remarkably similar to the delaware (named for the road where = the bbc=20 built the maida vale studios in a converted ice-rink) has turned up in = the=20 hands of music control, of alsager, staffs. they renovate and sell = synths and=20 will even undertake to source gear on demand, presumably by = cold-calling known=20 owners. so I wonder if it's the same machine? there can't have been = many 100's=20 made..... where is 02 then?
the = radiophonic workshop's=20 two commercial releases have just re-appeared on cd, without too much = fuss or=20 repackaging, and are still a good insight into institutionalised = creativity.=20 they were birted in 1997, though many of the "composers" still turn up = on bbc=20 shows.
 
I went = to see trilok=20 gurtu a few months ago; found it all a bit bland after a few numbers, = like=20 sainsbury's curries......
I guess I'm = too locked in=20 to western tonalities, intervals and rhythms vs cacaphonous=20 pure noise to appreciate what he was doing, which was somewhere = in=20 between. evelyn glennie was more entertaining in the same = concert-series. I=20 can't believe she's deaf- I'm sort of hoping that one day it all turns = out to=20 be a hoax, like milli vanilli......
 
duncan.
 
 
 


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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C280A1.3AD19960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 01:33:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13629; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:30:22 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:30:22 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030220308.00b77980@pop.charter.net> X-Sender: armatronix@pop.charter.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:28:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: armatronix Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021029190232.00b6e008@pop.charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I pretty much buy any Indian classical or devotional vinyl I can lay my mitts on (which isn't much, around here). I'm not partial to any artists in particular, although I do prefer evening and night-time ragas, since they tend to be more mellow. I don't know much about Indian music, other than that I like it. They used to have a great weekly show on the local Cal Poly radio station on Sunday nights, and that's where I first discovered Indian classical music. In retrospect, it seems odd that I never remember hearing it while I lived in Saudi Arabia, given the large population of expatriate Indians there. I just recently finished an album of a friend's family performing Sikh spirituals - that's some cool stuff. I'd love to remix it, but his father says he'll have to kill me if I do. This friend has introduced me to some nice Indian-flavored electronic dance music by Talvin Singh and Karsh Kalai. -Hans At 22:55 29/10/2002, you wrote: >Bravo. To whom? > >Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) - is Ravi >Shankar's daughter? > >Shankar's also way cool of course. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 03:52:23 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21885; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:43:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:43:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 03:43:07 EST Subject: Loop gigs in UK , Norwich To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows UK sub 10500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_alt_boundary" --part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, here's the spam. You'll notice a couple of list members in there Marcus Reuter is with Centrezoon. Os is in Darkroom. andy butler will be doing some strange things with a Loop 4 EDP (that's me) and a guitar (maybe some bass as well) Looks like evening one is the best for loop content, there should be a pa at each end of the room for a continuous looping performance. There's also possibly other performers turning up on the nights, maybe even a certain UK looping bass player if he's not too busy. ...clue :o) =20 > * The Burning Shed Evenings - Details >=20 > Burning Shed Evening One: >=20 > December 6th at the Assembly House Restaurant Room, Theatre Street,=20 > Norwich. > Featuring Roger Eno, Theo Travis, GP Hall, Centrozoon (from Germany), Deiv= e > Montaigue, Andy Butler and Darkroom in a continual performance of loops an= d > improvised music. >=20 > Burning Shed Evening Two: >=20 > December 7th at the King Of Hearts Fishergate Room, Fye Bridge Street, > Norwich. Featuring Roger Eno, Theo Travis (Gong), Hugh Hopper (Soft=20 > Machine) > and Tim Bowness/Peter Chilvers (with Michael Bearpark, Stephen Bennett and > Markus Reuter).=20 >=20 > Tickets are =A37.50 per performance are available from www.burningshed.com= =20 > and > the Norwich Arts Centre box office. >=20 andy butler --part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_alt_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, here's the spam.
You'll notice a couple of list members in there
Marcus Reuter is with Centrezoon.
Os is in Darkroom.

andy butler will be doing some strange things with
a Loop 4 EDP (that's me) and a guitar (maybe some bass as well)

Looks like evening one is the best for loop content, there should be a pa at=
each end of the room for a continuous looping performance.

There's also possibly other performers turning up on the nights, maybe
even a certain UK looping bass player if he's not too busy.

...clue    :o)






* The Burning Shed Evenings - D= etails

Burning Shed Evening One:

December 6th at the Assembly House Restaurant Room, Theatre Street, Norwich.=
Featuring Roger Eno, Theo Travis, GP Hall, Centrozoon (from Germany), Deive<= BR> Montaigue, Andy Butler and Darkroom in a continual performance of loops and<= BR> improvised music.

Burning Shed Evening Two:

December 7th at the King Of Hearts Fishergate Room, Fye Bridge Street,
Norwich. Featuring Roger Eno, Theo Travis (Gong), Hugh Hopper (Soft Machine)=
and Tim Bowness/Peter Chilvers (with Michael Bearpark, Stephen Bennett and Markus Reuter).

Tickets are =A37.50 per performance are available from www.burningshed.com a= nd
the Norwich Arts Centre box office.



andy butler






--part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_alt_boundary-- --part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xj01.mx.aol.com (rly-xj01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.38]) by air-xj02.mail.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ23-1028055208; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 05:52:08 -0400 Received: from mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (ptr.164.253.62.in-addr.arpa [62.253.164.46]) by rly-xj01.mx.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ12-1028055144; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 05:51:44 -0500 Received: from [62.252.208.13] by mta6-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021028105143.SSCY9450.mta6-svc.business.ntl.com@[62.252.208.13]>; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:51:43 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:50:33 +0100 Subject: Spread The Muck From: Tim Bowness To: Deive Montaigue , Andy Butler Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Deive/Andy, could you please send the following to anyone you know who might be interested. Andy, did you target the Loopers Delight group, yet? * The Burning Shed Evenings - Details Burning Shed Evening One: December 6th at the Assembly House Restaurant Room, Theatre Street, Norwich. Featuring Roger Eno, Theo Travis, GP Hall, Centrozoon (from Germany), Deive Montaigue, Andy Butler and Darkroom in a continual performance of loops and improvised music. Burning Shed Evening Two: December 7th at the King Of Hearts Fishergate Room, Fye Bridge Street, Norwich. Featuring Roger Eno, Theo Travis (Gong), Hugh Hopper (Soft Machine) and Tim Bowness/Peter Chilvers (with Michael Bearpark, Stephen Bennett and Markus Reuter).=20 Tickets are =A37.50 per performance are available from www.burningshed.com a= nd the Norwich Arts Centre box office. --part1_1a4.b1b2a7d.2af2471b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 04:20:21 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA25414; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:19:56 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:19:56 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:19:09 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030220308.00b77980@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Cool. Send links whenever you can, please. I want to explore this stuff too. -----Original Message----- From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal I pretty much buy any Indian classical or devotional vinyl I can lay my mitts on (which isn't much, around here). I'm not partial to any artists in particular, although I do prefer evening and night-time ragas, since they tend to be more mellow. I don't know much about Indian music, other than that I like it. They used to have a great weekly show on the local Cal Poly radio station on Sunday nights, and that's where I first discovered Indian classical music. In retrospect, it seems odd that I never remember hearing it while I lived in Saudi Arabia, given the large population of expatriate Indians there. I just recently finished an album of a friend's family performing Sikh spirituals - that's some cool stuff. I'd love to remix it, but his father says he'll have to kill me if I do. This friend has introduced me to some nice Indian-flavored electronic dance music by Talvin Singh and Karsh Kalai. -Hans At 22:55 29/10/2002, you wrote: >Bravo. To whom? > >Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) - is Ravi >Shankar's daughter? > >Shankar's also way cool of course. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 04:51:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA27281; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:50:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:50:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c280c3$32d20d40$3c544ed5@bigboy> From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <3DC07515.3C1E6214@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a new album? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:52:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com of course I'm interested - the sooner the better, and I'd be happy to pre-order a copy! :o) Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre LaFosse" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:11 AM Subject: Anyone interested in a new album? > Hello list, > > I've been recording my latest explorations of the Echoplex for the last > couple of months, and have decided that my looping has evolved to a > point where I'm ready to make a new, official CD release out of it. To > that end, I'm currently trying to determine how much interest there may > be for such a thing, and how feasible it would be to press it up. > > So I've set up a web page where you can send me feedback via an online > form, as well as get more in-depth information about this new material: > > http://www.altruistmusic.com/news/album2.html > > If anyone here has an interest in a new CD of my Echoplex work, I'd very > greatly appreciate your taking a couple of minutes to fill out the info > and send me your thoughts about it. Meanwhile, I'll keep the list > posted with some sneak-previews of this material before too long... > > Many thanks, > > --Andre LaFosse > The Echoplex Analysis Pages: > http://www.altruistmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 05:08:00 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29443; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:07:35 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:07:35 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Terje Amerasekhera Rypdal Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:07:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c280c5$59498be0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021030220308.00b77980@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5O-YYB.A.4LH.bDQw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey indian-music lovers, I got this nice book called "The Raga Guide" (Nimbus Records, ISBN 09536971OX, www.nimbus.ltd.uk). After a introduction to the historical origins and musical basics of the Raga, there are descriptions of 74 hindustani ragas, each with an analytical and historical description (like he will have to kill you when you remix this), scales and melodic outlines, a transcription of the alap (instrumental introduction), and, if applicaple, the lyrics together with English transcription. Ah, and the book comes with four CDs with the accompanying ragas recorded by an ensemble consisting of Hariprasad Chaurasia (flute), Buddhadev DasGupta (sarod), Shruti Sadolikar-Katkar (voc), Vidyadhar Vyas (voc). As I think, both a collection of nice (if somewhat "standard") Indian music and an educative listening... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: armatronix [mailto:armatronix@charter.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 31. Oktober 2002 07:29 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Terje Rypdal > > > I pretty much buy any Indian classical or devotional vinyl I > can lay my > mitts on (which isn't much, around here). I'm not partial to > any artists > in particular, although I do prefer evening and night-time > ragas, since > they tend to be more mellow. I don't know much about Indian > music, other > than that I like it. > > They used to have a great weekly show on the local Cal Poly > radio station > on Sunday nights, and that's where I first discovered Indian > classical > music. In retrospect, it seems odd that I never remember > hearing it while > I lived in Saudi Arabia, given the large population of > expatriate Indians > there. > > I just recently finished an album of a friend's family > performing Sikh > spirituals - that's some cool stuff. I'd love to remix it, > but his father > says he'll have to kill me if I do. This friend has > introduced me to some > nice Indian-flavored electronic dance music by Talvin Singh > and Karsh Kalai. > > -Hans > > > At 22:55 29/10/2002, you wrote: > >Bravo. To whom? > > > >Did you guys know that Norah Jones (oh God I love her voice) > - is Ravi > >Shankar's daughter? > > > >Shankar's also way cool of course. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 05:41:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30895; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:37:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:37:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035601c280c9$4da49a10$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <009601c28013$ffe92a80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> <002101c28049$39e2ad80$4768389d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> <01a601c28020$ac53ff50$04f8c440@g0wn7> Subject: Re: Raga Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:28:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > anoushka is a fine sitar player in her own right. I guess with a dad like > ravi, you've got one of the world's best sitar players available for lessons > perpetually. > > -jim There was something on Channel 4 here in the UK a couple of weeks back with Anoushka, she's a mighty player, I hadn't made the connection with Ravi before that. I understand that she was the only student of RS to adopt the guru system, I'm unsure of the intricacies of how that works but it's prolly safe to say that it's more structured and intense than "hey dad show me something cool :)" LOL Impressive stuff but 10 or 15 minutes is enough for me, tabla players I could listen to all night :) Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 05:41:20 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30887; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:37:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 05:37:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <035501c280c9$4d728d90$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA868@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: ems and so forth Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:21:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_030E_01C280C7.4FE6FAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_030E_01C280C7.4FE6FAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732>I went to see trilok gurtu a few = months ago; found it all a bit bland after a few numbers, like = sainsbury's curries...... >I guess I'm too locked in to western tonalities, intervals and rhythms = vs cacophonous pure noise to appreciate what he was doing, which was = >somewhere in between. evelyn glennie was more entertaining in the same = concert-series. I can't believe she's deaf- I'm sort of hoping that one = >day it all turns out to be a hoax, like milli vanilli...... >duncan. Hi Duncan, hi group In the drumming world, Trilok Gurtu is something approaching a deity. = There are many reasons for this, mostly technical, some aesthetic, his = 4-limb independence is outrageous. Part of the reason his appeal is so = widespread is that he manages to keep feet in both the western and Asian = camps. Maybe it's a drum nerdy thing but I find him a real jaw-dropper = and he certainly was inspirational/influential in defining at least part = of my musical directions. LOL on the Sainsbury's Curries comment, = believe me he's about as hot as they come on the Indian fusion thing but = It's not everybody's cup of tea. If tradition and authenticity are your = things then maybe he's not for you. I wonder if you saw Evelyn's 'Shadow' performance, where the majority of = the show is improvised. I was fortunate enough to participate briefly = in that performance in Belfast 6-8 weeks ago (with Steve Hackett & = Philip Smyth (Piano)) which was fun. We worked quite closely with = Evelyn to devise our piece ( I was playing with a band called Different = Drums of Ireland) and I can confirm that yes she is profoundly deaf, = this doesn't mean stone deaf but she has maybe 5-10% of her hearing = ability, apparently it all sounds like undifferentiated mush. After = working with her for maybe 10 minutes, that fact went totally out of our = minds and we discussed and interacted almost as any of us would under = normal circumstances. She's very nice to work with, works really hard, = even packs and schleps some of her own gear. Her entourage would drive = me nuts tho, she must have the patience of a saint. I listen to Indian music, I have some involvement in the bhangra scene = through the Dhol Foundation and I play Punjabi dhol but daren't even = start tablas, I only have half a lifetime left. :) check out a wee promo = thing I worked on over the summer = www.dholfoundation.com/video/tdf_epk.rm (fast connection) or = www.dholfoundation.com/video/tdf_epk.wmv (56k) Hey, Milli Vanilli were visionaries :) LOL Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net=20 www.drumdojo.com=20 NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation=20 www.dacapo.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_030E_01C280C7.4FE6FAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732
>I went = to see=20 trilok gurtu a few months ago; found it all a bit bland after a few = numbers,=20 like sainsbury's curries......
>I guess = I'm too locked=20 in to western tonalities, intervals and rhythms vs cacophonous=20 pure noise to appreciate what he was doing, which was >somewhere = in=20 between. evelyn glennie was more entertaining in the same = concert-series. I=20 can't believe she's deaf- I'm sort of hoping that one >day it all = turns out=20 to be a hoax, like milli vanilli......
 
>duncan.
 
Hi Duncan, hi=20 group
 
In the = drumming world,=20 Trilok Gurtu is something approaching a deity.  There are many = reasons for=20 this, mostly technical, some aesthetic, his 4-limb independence is=20 outrageous.  Part of the reason his appeal is so widespread is that = he=20 manages to keep feet in both the western and Asian camps.  Maybe = it's a=20 drum nerdy thing but I find him a real jaw-dropper and he certainly was=20 inspirational/influential in defining at least part of my musical=20 directions. LOL on the Sainsbury's Curries comment, believe me he's = about=20 as hot as they come on the Indian fusion thing but It's not everybody's = cup of=20 tea.  If tradition and authenticity are your things then maybe = he's=20 not for you.
 
I wonder if = you saw Evelyn's=20 'Shadow' performance, where the majority of the show is = improvised.  I was=20 fortunate enough to participate briefly in that performance in Belfast = 6-8 weeks=20 ago (with Steve Hackett & Philip Smyth (Piano)) which was fun.  = We=20 worked quite closely with Evelyn to devise our piece ( I was = playing=20 with a band called Different Drums of Ireland) and I can confirm that = yes she is=20 profoundly deaf, this doesn't mean stone deaf but she has maybe 5-10% of = her=20 hearing ability, apparently it all sounds like undifferentiated = mush. =20 After working with her for maybe 10 minutes, that fact went totally out = of our=20 minds and we discussed and interacted almost as any of us would = under=20 normal circumstances.  She's very nice to work with, works = really=20 hard, even packs and schleps some of her own gear.  Her entourage = would=20 drive me nuts tho, she must have the patience of a = saint.
 
I listen to = Indian music, I=20 have some involvement in the bhangra scene through the Dhol Foundation = and I=20 play Punjabi dhol but daren't even start tablas, I only have half a = lifetime=20 left. :) check out a wee promo thing I worked on over the=20 summer  www.dholfoundatio= n.com/video/tdf_epk.rm=20 (fast connection) or www.dholfoundati= on.com/video/tdf_epk.wmv=20 (56k)
 
Hey,  Milli Vanilli were visionaries :)=20 LOL
 
Paul
----------------------
Paul Marshall
Percussive Artist, Sound = Artist
www.powerhaus.net =
www.drumdojo.com
NI Facilitator = for the=20 Da Capo Foundation
www.dacapo.co.uk
  ------=_NextPart_000_030E_01C280C7.4FE6FAE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 08:56:15 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11947; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:55:07 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:55:07 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: Looping9string@aol.com Message-ID: <15e.1680a6fc.2af29005@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale? To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10634 Resent-Message-ID: <-3IBm.A.L6C.sYTw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson EDP's... In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs his own pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind... He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price... BOTH with the floor pedal controllers. Any leads and / or suggestions? He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please contact me if you have one or a pair that you would consider selling. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 09:29:31 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14880; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:26:31 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:26:31 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Seeking EDP's for sale? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:21:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <15e.1680a6fc.2af29005@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <57N8v.A.ToD.C2Tw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com what's a ZEN drummer? -----Original Message----- From: Looping9string@aol.com [mailto:Looping9string@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:54 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale? I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson EDP's... In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs his own pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind... He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price... BOTH with the floor pedal controllers. Any leads and / or suggestions? He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please contact me if you have one or a pair that you would consider selling. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 09:38:51 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15737; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:35:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:35:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:34:52 -0500 From: David Beardsley Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c301c280ea$ac95db80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <0P9THD.A.u0D.A-Tw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKO" > what's a ZEN drummer? My guess: he plays a Zen Drum. http://www.zendrum.com/ * David Beardsley * http://biink.com * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 09:55:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17468; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:52:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:52:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: schansen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:44:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Hansen Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a new album? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com andre-i also tried to do the form on my imac (os 10), but it didn't go. add another "yes" to your pile, i'd be interested... s--- > Hrm. Mac IE didn't like your form. But my answer is , yes I would >love to have a new album and I wouldn't need anything in advance to >buy it in advance. I would dig a mixture of live Echoplex stuff and >composed stuff. > > > >On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 04:11 PM, Andre LaFosse wrote: > >>Hello list, >> >>I've been recording my latest explorations of the Echoplex for the last >>couple of months, and have decided that my looping has evolved to a >>point where I'm ready to make a new, official CD release out of it. To >>that end, I'm currently trying to determine how much interest there may >>be for such a thing, and how feasible it would be to press it up. >> >>So I've set up a web page where you can send me feedback via an online >>form, as well as get more in-depth information about this new material: >> >>http://www.altruistmusic.com/news/album2.html >> >>If anyone here has an interest in a new CD of my Echoplex work, I'd very >>greatly appreciate your taking a couple of minutes to fill out the info >>and send me your thoughts about it. Meanwhile, I'll keep the list >>posted with some sneak-previews of this material before too long... >> >>Many thanks, >> >>--Andre LaFosse >>The Echoplex Analysis Pages: >>http://www.altruistmusic.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 09:57:14 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17566; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:53:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:53:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA875@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Seeking EDP's for sale? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:45:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C280EC.1BE2C9C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C280EC.1BE2C9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > what's a ZEN drummer? My guess: he plays a Zen Drum.<< my guess is he's just unusually relaxed about life, even by regular drummer standards. especially if he wants two EDP's; sounds like he's after a easy time! duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. 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> what's a ZEN drummer?

 My guess: he plays a Zen Drum.<<

my guess is he's just unusually relaxed about life, even = by regular drummer standards. especially if he wants two EDP's; sounds like= he's after a easy time!

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C280EC.1BE2C9C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 10:47:54 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22491; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:47:02 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:47:02 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 09:46:23 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: Terje Rypdal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <03af01c280f4$aa9a4e10$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021029190232.00b6e008@pop.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021030220308.00b77980@pop.charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com been listening to talvin singh for a few years. really like the fusion of cultures there... >.... This friend has introduced me to some > nice Indian-flavored electronic dance music by Talvin Singh and Karsh Kalai. > > -Hans > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 11:00:16 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA23358; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:58:29 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:58:29 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC153DB.E77D9EC3@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:01:32 -0600 From: Kirby Shelstad X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale? References: <00c301c280ea$ac95db80$db622544@union01.nj.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com i think he plays with 'one stick beating' k David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > > > what's a ZEN drummer? > > My guess: he plays a Zen Drum. > > http://www.zendrum.com/ > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 11:04:40 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24943; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:04:12 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:04:12 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "MIKO" To: Subject: RE: Seeking EDP's for sale? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:02:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3DC153DB.E77D9EC3@mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well if you visit the web site you'll discover that it may even be the sound of "one mouse clicking"- there's a virtual zendrum. -----Original Message----- From: Kirby Shelstad [mailto:kirbyshelstad@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking EDP's for sale? i think he plays with 'one stick beating' k David Beardsley wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKO" > > > what's a ZEN drummer? > > My guess: he plays a Zen Drum. > > http://www.zendrum.com/ > > * David Beardsley > * http://biink.com > * http://mp3.com/davidbeardsley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 11:08:29 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25222; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:07:49 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:07:49 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA87B@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: ems and so forth Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:53:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C280F5.A0540940" Resent-Message-ID: <7Dbw_B.A.nJG.DVVw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C280F5.A0540940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ok, on closer inspection, the synthi-100 that music control now have came from kent university's physics lab where, ironically, I would myself have studied a degree in physics/acoustics had I not decided to take a vocational broadcast engineering course instead. so instead of becoming the eventual owner of this machine (as inevitably I would), I ended up working on "brookside", the recently-canned UK soap opera set on a housing estate in liverpool. bah. I'm now in london, where I've worked for mtv europe for the last ten years. my band (radio massacre international) are gigging in california next week and philadelphia the week after, with a repeater and a jam-man and some sequencers and stuff. possibly a mellotron or two in CA. (can't take our own- too big for plane, it seems). favourite klaus schultze: the warsaw live set where he plays along to a backing tape, pissed out of his head and miles out of tune. one day I'd like to be half that blase about doing a concert..... "dune" was good too. the hackett/glennie set I saw was at qeh a few months ago, and was also improvised; though they suggested in interview beforehand that it was specially composed, they went on to say that they were going to play for an hour because that's what the contract said. all this in humour, of course, but it was obvious that they were jazzing over a loose framework rather than giving a recital. thoroughly entertaining, but hackett ought to move about a bit more. I may have a half-decent minidisc of it somewhere.... and some jpeggery. I still can't believe she's deaf. fabulous. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C280F5.A0540940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732
ok, on closer inspection, the synthi-100 that music control now have came from kent university's physics lab where, ironically, I would myself have studied a degree in physics/acoustics had I not decided to take a vocational broadcast engineering course instead.
so instead of becoming the eventual owner of this machine (as inevitably I would), I ended up working on "brookside", the recently-canned UK soap opera set on a housing estate in liverpool. bah.
I'm now in london, where I've worked for mtv europe for the last ten years.
my band (radio massacre international) are gigging in california next week and philadelphia the week after, with a repeater and a jam-man and some sequencers and stuff. possibly a mellotron or two in CA. (can't take our own- too big for plane, it seems).
 
favourite klaus schultze: the warsaw live set where he plays along to a backing tape, pissed out of his head and miles out of tune. one day I'd like to be half that blase about doing a concert..... "dune" was good too.
 
the hackett/glennie set I saw was at qeh a few months ago, and was also improvised; though they suggested in interview beforehand that it was specially composed, they went on to say that they were going to play for an hour because that's what the contract said. all this in humour, of course, but it was obvious that they were jazzing over a loose framework rather than giving a recital. thoroughly entertaining, but hackett ought to move about a bit more.
I may have a half-decent minidisc of it somewhere.... and some jpeggery. I still can't believe she's deaf. fabulous.
 
duncan.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C280F5.A0540940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 11:12:06 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25572; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:11:37 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:11:37 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002001c280f8$0a70bb00$75295a0c@u73x0> From: "Cino" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021029190232.00b6e008@pop.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021030220308.00b77980@pop.charter.net> Subject: Online Indian Music Sources (was Terje Rypdal) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:10:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hans wrote: > I pretty much buy any Indian classical or devotional vinyl I can lay my > mitts on (which isn't much, around here). Here are some online Indian music distributors: www.shrimatis.com www.khazana.com www.neelam.com www.webcom.com/raag/ www.raga.com/ (independent label, also offers some free full-length mp3 downloads) http://makar-records.com/ (independent label) I've dealt with all of these sources and have found them all to be reliable. They are all able to find just about any in-print recording that you might want. The exceptions are Raga Records (www.raga.com) and Makar Records who distribute only their own releases. These two independent labels are both truly labors of love (labels of love?) by some extremely dedicated aficionados of Indian classical music. Raga Records specializes in releasing concert and archival recordings by some great masters, particularly the sitarist Pandit Nikhil Banerjee. Makar Records focuses on releasing excellent quality recordings by artists who are not necessarily well-known outside of India. Makar also specializes in releasing a very thorough representation of musicians from the various gharanas ("schools" [or localized styles] of music) of North India, as well as different styles of South Indian classical music. > I don't know much about Indian music, other than that I like it. I'm sure you'll very much enjoy raga "Hans-adhwani" ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 11:14:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25977; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:14:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:14:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:13:41 -0600 From: jim palmer Subject: Re: ems and so forth To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <040901c280f8$7ab56c30$080210ac@jpalmer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA868@LON-MAIL07> <035501c280c9$4d728d90$0100a8c0@paul> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >...check out a wee promo thing I worked on over the summer www.dholfoundation.com/video/tdf_epk.rm (fast connection) or www.dholfoundation.com/video/tdf_epk.wmv (56k) > more excellent stuff, paul. >Hey, Milli Vanilli were visionaries :) LOL as in "only to look at?" there's a lot of that going around the music world these days... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 11:38:08 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27533; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:35:09 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:35:09 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: doctort@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c280f8$0a70bb00$75295a0c@u73x0> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021029190232.00b6e008@pop.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021030220308.00b77980@pop.charter.net> <002001c280f8$0a70bb00$75295a0c@u73x0> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:33:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Online Indian Music Sources (was Terje Rypdal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6XTZaC.A.ktG.iuVw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That could be dangerously expensive information-:) At 11:10 AM -0500 10/31/02, Cino wrote: >Hans wrote: >> I pretty much buy any Indian classical or devotional vinyl I can lay my >> mitts on (which isn't much, around here). > >Here are some online Indian music distributors: > >www.shrimatis.com >www.khazana.com >www.neelam.com >www.webcom.com/raag/ >www.raga.com/ (independent label, also offers some free full-length mp3 >downloads) >http://makar-records.com/ (independent label) > >I've dealt with all of these sources and have found them all to be reliable. >They are all able to find just about any in-print recording that you might >want. The exceptions are Raga Records (www.raga.com) and Makar Records who >distribute only their own releases. These two independent labels are both >truly labors of love (labels of love?) by some extremely dedicated >aficionados of Indian classical music. Raga Records specializes in >releasing concert and archival recordings by some great masters, >particularly the sitarist Pandit Nikhil Banerjee. Makar Records focuses on >releasing excellent quality recordings by artists who are not necessarily >well-known outside of India. Makar also specializes in releasing a very >thorough representation of musicians from the various gharanas ("schools" >[or localized styles] of music) of North India, as well as different styles >of South Indian classical music. > >> I don't know much about Indian music, other than that I like it. > >I'm sure you'll very much enjoy raga "Hans-adhwani" ;-) -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 11:41:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27957; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:38:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:38:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cave@pop1.osk.3web.ne.jp (Unverified) X-Mailer: Macintosh Eudora Version 5.0.1-Jr1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:38:11 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: [webcast/gig info] 11/2,3 and 4 Special 3days Webcast Festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, This is information of our series Internet broadcast live gig from Kobe,Japan, it called "Live from Far East". In this time,"Special 3days webcast festival" 2nd, 3rd and 4th Nov.2002. You can see our gig via Real Player. Please visit below: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east or http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast "Special 3days webcast festival" 2nd Nov. 2002 16:30 (JST)- "Kazuya Ishigami artist talk show and live" European Tour 2002 reports and C.U.E. records shop master's talk 18:30 (JST)- "Sunao Inami Bayarea tour 2002 reports and televise a VCD" Live at San Fransico, "WHITEBOX act 7" 3rd Nov. 2002 13:00 (JST)- Sunao Inami & Masato Kawatani Live recording on public Sunao Inami(Synthesizer,Conputer) Masato Kawatani (Guitar,Loopings) 16:00 (JST)- Etsuko Ryujin Live Painting "Hitotsu kara" Painting:Etsuko Ryujin Sound: Sunao Inami (Computer),Machiko Kitagawa (Koto) Dance: Emi Makino,Asako Iwasa 18:00 (JST)- Emi Makino produced "sound $B!_(B dance [solo solo] Special" GROYXO (Noise) x Satoka Masato Kawatani (Guitar,Loopings) x Asato Iwasa Kazuya Ishigami (Powerbook G4) x Rieko Fujiwara Sunao Inami (Synthesizer) x Emi Makino Machiko Kitagawa (Koto,Effects) x Ayumu Kawasaki 4th Nov. 2002 14:00 (JST)- Tsuyoshi Shibata & Sunao Inami talk show "Jinsei Pro Wrestling" 18:00 (JST)- Tsubaki Hime produced live performance Machiko Kitagawa (Koto,Shamisen,Effects) Hiromi Shirai (Performance Art) Kazuya Ishigami (Powerbook G4,Guitar) Sunao Inami (Powerbook G4,Loopings) Emi Makino (Dance) and more.. ------ The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ 13:00 - 21:00 (JST) = 4:00 - 12:00 (GMT) = 20:00 - 4:00 (PST) = 23:00 - 7:00 (EST) ------ Artists official sites Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com Kazuya Ishigami http://www.neus318.com Machiko Kitagawa http://member.nifty.ne.jp/SUSANOCLUB/ Etsuko Ryujin http://www.jin.ne.jp/ryujin/ GROYXO http://sound.jp/fsr/ ------ More Info and contacts: C.U.E. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue cue@cavestudio.org CAPHOUSE #314, 3-19-8 Yamamoto Dori, chuo-ku Kobe,Japan 650-0003 Tel & Fax : +81 (0)78-241-9389 _____________________ Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 12:01:22 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29026; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:58:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:58:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-VirusChecked: Checked Message-ID: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA87E@LON-MAIL07> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: zenned drummers Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:37:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C280FB.DC6442A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C280FB.DC6442A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>i think he plays with 'one stick beating'<< aye, nice one. while I was laughing at that, I started to wonder if he was/is a student of corky laing, who I saw drumming with mountain last night. he is in the habit of launching sticks into the audience at the rate of five or six per song at least, usually from his right side as he hits the ride or a low tom. these latter tended to end up in the lighting truss but many times they still threatened to take peoples' eyes out. one could see that not only has he practised this for hours but that he retains sufficient alertness not to accidentally hurl either of his only pair of felt beaters the same way. each stick had barely cleared the edge of the stage before he had another ready to go, though curiously he never let one off from his snare hand so nothing came my way. during the later numbers, he had two sticks in his left hand, so he could hit the snare even harder for "mississippi queen" &c...... there must have been a tree and a contingent of chipmunks back there somewhere- wonder if they had quarantine issues? leslie west is a real comedian, great show. missed the keyboards on "nantucket sleighride" though, and the bassist isn't a patch on the late mr pappalardi. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>i think he plays with 'one stick beating'<<=

aye, nice one. while I was laughing at that, I started to= wonder if he was/is a student of corky laing, who I saw drumming with moun= tain last night. he is in the habit of launching sticks into the audience a= t the rate of five or six per song at least, usually from his right side as= he hits the ride or a low tom. these latter tended to end up in the lighti= ng truss but many times they still threatened to take peoples' eyes out. on= e could see that not only has he practised this for hours but that he retai= ns sufficient alertness not to accidentally hurl either of his only pair of= felt beaters the same way.

each stick had barely cleared the edge of the stage befor= e he had another ready to go, though curiously he never let one off from hi= s snare hand so nothing came my way.

during the later numbers, he had two sticks in his left h= and, so he could hit the snare even harder for "mississippi queen"= ; &c...... there must have been a tree and a contingent of chipmunks ba= ck there somewhere- wonder if they had quarantine issues?

leslie west is a real comedian, great show. missed the ke= yboards on "nantucket sleighride" though, and the bassist isn't a= patch on the late mr pappalardi.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C280FB.DC6442A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 12:05:43 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30712; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:05:15 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:05:15 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03c701c280ff$69d3f6f0$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021029190232.00b6e008@pop.charter.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021030220308.00b77980@pop.charter.net> <03af01c280f4$aa9a4e10$080210ac@jpalmer> Subject: Indian electronic fusion Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:51:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: <1k6RgB.A.reH.ZKWw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > been listening to talvin singh for a few years. > really like the fusion of cultures there... > > >.... This friend has introduced me to some > > nice Indian-flavored electronic dance music by Talvin Singh and Karsh Kalai. Talvin Singh's music and his arrangements are wonderful, I'm a big fan, I caught on to Karsh Kale (pronounced Kursh Kalay) about 6 months ago, excellent stuff, not as 'driving' as I had anticipated but great beats and lovely melodic passages, there are some excellent downloads from Karsh Kale's site. Another recommended listen in this vein maybe a touch more 'popular' and varied is Nitin Sawhney, but these guys are all from similar moulds. I'd also recommend that anyone interested in electronic or dance oriented Indian music check out the Dhol Foundation's 'Big Drum Small World' album, they put on a pretty impressive live show too featuring anywhere from 5 to 200 drummers. The second album is about a year, maybe less, away. Bill Laswell has been instrumental (ouch) in bringing a few of the current tabla genii together (Zakir Hussain, Trilok, Talvin, Karsh along with the sarangi master Ustad Sultan Khan in a group called 'Tabla Beat Science' if tabla and electronics are your thing then check this out, the album is called Tala Matrix. Bill's trademark sound and arrangements are all over it, I love it. I almost had the privilege of appearing on a track featuring Sultan Khan but bad timing made that impossible before the track was finalised for the next Dhol Foundation album, had I been in the right place 6 weeks earlier DOH!! The track is stunning, sublime. This is the area in which I am currently getting lots of my influences in my own writings, I'm not a patch on these guys but I love the sounds and the tonalities and it's great craic. I am working on some remix material using original studio files from the Dhol Foundation, what a joy, great recordings, isolated instruments, top drawer players, what a buzz :) I'd let you all hear some but I can't for now for (their) record company reasons, if I'm able to make them available I'll do so as soon as I can. I'm interested in hearing anyone else's recommendations for this type of Indian fusion music or any from the middle east which is another source of stylistic fusion although from what I have been able to uncover, electronic artists don't seem to be having the same impact, maybe it's the next wave, maybe not given the current political situation of the region. Anyway, it's good to be able to post on a subject that I'm familiar with 0.02 Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Percussive Artist, Sound Artist www.powerhaus.net www.drumdojo.com NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 12:57:27 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01929; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:56:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:56:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <041b01c28106$a721c3f0$0100a8c0@paul> From: "Paul Marshall" To: References: <45E3A7CF573DD411B7C20008C70D3947053FA87B@LON-MAIL07> Subject: Re: ems and so forth Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:54:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0416_01C28106.A1841510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0416_01C28106.A1841510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732>the hackett/glennie set I saw was = at qeh a few months ago, and was also improvised; though they >suggested = in interview beforehand that it was specially composed, they went on to = say that they were >going to play for an hour because that's what the = contract said. all this in humour, of course, but it was >obvious that = they were jazzing over a loose framework rather than giving a recital. = thoroughly >entertaining, but hackett ought to move about a bit more. >I may have a half-decent minidisc of it somewhere.... and some = jpeggery. I still can't believe she's deaf. >fabulous. >duncan. Hi Duncan,=20 That was the same form of gig I was involved with, it's called 'Shadow'. = Your ears tell the truth! The first part was composed, two or three = pieces IIRC, the part on the marimba with Phil Smyth on piano basically. = The second 'half' was completely improvised, in our case we had to = rehearse our wee 10 minute bit but the rest was off the cuff, I sat = through one technical rehearsal, one dress rehearsal plus the = performance and they were all different. Hackett wasn't the most = animated I'll have to agree but such beautiful fabric in his playing. = The improvised nature was too much for some in the audience who walked = out, I think they were expecting her classical repertoire (which leaves = me a touch cold unfortunately) but just because some good old = backward-thinking Belfastians weren't ready for this doesn't stop me = viewing this as one of the freshest things I've seen her do and I'm glad = that exploration and innovation were heartily represented. I did a wee perspective of my part of the festival at = http://rhythmweb.com/paul/festival2002.htm. We got the chance to hang = with them in the hotel afterwards and Steve Hackett has risen 50 points = in my estimation, such a nice man and tremendously modest. Evelyn's = Husband (for now apparently :) Greg, wrote a piece on her site that = explains her hearing abilities and debunks many myths. I do find it = fascinating that she seems to have attuned sensations in different areas = of her body to different frequencies. I found the whole process and = event very humbling. As an aside there was a German film crew who were following this = performance around the world, recording all the rehearsals = http://www.filmquadrat.de/gb/evelyn.htm if it ever gets released, watch = out for the baldy N Irishman playing a huge Lambeg drum :) I'd love to hear /see any of the material Duncan, I got her permission = to take some shots of the equipment stage side, but the film is still in = my camera. :) Cheers Paul ------=_NextPart_000_0416_01C28106.A1841510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V02 #732
>the hackett/glennie set I saw was at qeh a few = months ago, and=20 was also improvised; though they >suggested in interview beforehand = that it=20 was specially composed, they went on to say that they were >going to = play for=20 an hour because that's what the contract said. all this in humour, of = course,=20 but it was >obvious that they were jazzing over a loose framework = rather than=20 giving a recital. thoroughly >entertaining, but hackett ought to move = about a=20 bit more.
>I may have a half-decent minidisc of it = somewhere.... and some=20 jpeggery. I still can't believe she's deaf. = >fabulous.
 
>duncan.
 
Hi Duncan,
 
That was the = same form=20 of gig I was involved with, it's called 'Shadow'.  Your ears tell = the=20 truth!  The first part was composed, two or three pieces IIRC, the = part on=20 the marimba with Phil Smyth on piano basically.  The second 'half' = was=20 completely improvised, in our case we had to rehearse our wee 10 minute = bit but=20 the rest was off the cuff, I sat through one technical rehearsal, one = dress=20 rehearsal plus the performance and they were all different.  = Hackett wasn't=20 the most animated I'll have to agree but such beautiful fabric in his=20 playing.  The improvised nature was too much for some in = the=20 audience who walked out, I think they were expecting her classical = repertoire=20 (which leaves me a touch cold unfortunately) but just because some good = old=20 backward-thinking Belfastians weren't ready for this doesn't stop me = viewing=20 this as one of the freshest things I've seen her do and I'm glad that=20 exploration and innovation were heartily = represented.
 
I did a wee = perspective=20 of my part of the festival at http://rhythmweb.com/= paul/festival2002.htm. =20 We got the chance to hang with them in the hotel afterwards and = Steve=20 Hackett has risen 50 points in my estimation, such a nice man and = tremendously=20 modest.  Evelyn's Husband (for now apparently :) Greg, wrote a = piece on her=20 site that explains her hearing abilities and debunks many myths.  I = do find=20 it fascinating that she seems to have attuned sensations in different = areas of=20 her body to different frequencies.  I found the whole process and = event=20 very humbling.
 
As an aside = there was a=20 German film crew who were following this performance around the world, = recording=20 all the rehearsals http://www.filmquadrat.d= e/gb/evelyn.htm if=20 it ever gets released, watch out for the baldy N Irishman playing a huge = Lambeg=20 drum :)
 
I'd love to = hear /see=20 any of the material Duncan, I got her permission to take some shots of = the=20 equipment stage side, but the film is still in my camera. = :)
 
Cheers
 
Paul
 
------=_NextPart_000_0416_01C28106.A1841510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 13:33:46 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05469; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:30:46 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:30:46 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20021031183013.28785.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:30:13 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: VCS3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200210310920.EAA25496@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com <<> The drum solo on Groon, from King Crimson's EARTHBOUND, is processed > through an EMS Synthi100. i'm afraid not. it was processed through a VCS3 operated by Pete Sinfield. a Synthi 100 would not have fit in Crimson's tour van.>> Actually, it's not Sinfield. By the time of the US tour that Earthbound from which Earthbound was recorded, Sinfield had left the band. I believe on that tour, it's actually Hunter McDonald operating the VCS3. This is also how they got the distortion on Boz's voice on 21st Century Schizoid Man (and presumably, also on Greg Lake's voice on the studio version). That was one of the cooler things about old analog synths from that era, that they could be used as effects devices for processing other audio signals. From what I understand, this is also how Pete Townshend got the keyboard sound on Won't Get Fooled Again...it's actually an organ processed through the VCS3, and Brian Eno used to appear on a lot of records basically just processing the other instruments through his VCS3. I know the Mini-Moog also allowed you to do this (though you only had the one low pass filter to work with there), and I remember someone telling that all the old modular synths permitted this as well. It's nice to see that a lot of the current wave of virtual analog synths are offering this option again. Up until a few years ago, Doug Walker of the NYC based band Alien Planetscapes still used his VCS3 in live performance (I guess he started having technical problems with it, and has since replaced it with virtual analog equipment). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris "What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?"-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 13:37:47 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05757; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:34:33 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:34:33 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:45:48 -0800 Message-Id: <200210311045.AA6815960@lanes.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "mark penner" Reply-To: To: Subject: Loop jamming X-Mailer: X-IMSTrailer: __IMail_7__ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, I was wondering if anyone would like to share some loop jamming experiences. I'm really interested in trying this with someone in my town but there aren't many loopers out here. Or at least if there are they stay couped up in their basement. So...who have you loop jammed with? what instruments? What loopers(hardware or software) do you use? Where they synced up? And so on and so forth...Thanks, mArk __________________________________________________ D O T E A S Y - "Join the web hosting revolution!" http://www.doteasy.com/et/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 14:32:53 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11202; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:31:59 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:31:59 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Authentication-Warning: mahijiru.cspc.us: www-data set sender to erwill@suitandtieguy.com using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VCS3 Message-ID: <1036092687.3dc1850f3efcf@www.suitandtieguy.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Williamson References: <20021031183013.28785.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20021031183013.28785.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 12.219.178.190 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Quoting Chris Richards : > recorded, Sinfield had left the band. I believe > on that tour, it's actually Hunter McDonald > operating the VCS3. This is also how they got the ah. thanks for reminding me. i forgot that Earthbound was after Islands. btw, "Peoria" on that album was recorded about 4 miles from my house here in Peoria IL. :) > distortion on Boz's voice on 21st Century > Schizoid Man (and presumably, also on Greg Lake's > voice on the studio version). as far as ITCOTKC goes, i doubt it. there aren't any VCS3isms on that album. it's most likely distortion. i wish Mixmag.com had _every_ Mix article, or i'd have a link to point you to. > also how Pete Townshend got the keyboard sound on > Won't Get Fooled Again...it's actually an organ a Lowrey, in fact. :) Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 14:48:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12205; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:47:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:47:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC18903.FD3C6529@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:48:19 -0500 From: John McIntyre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VCS3 References: <20021031183013.28785.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Chris Richards wrote: > That was one of the cooler things about old > analog synths from that era, that they could be > used as effects devices for processing other > audio signals. From what I understand, this is > also how Pete Townshend got the keyboard sound on > Won't Get Fooled Again...it's actually an organ > processed through the VCS3, and Brian Eno used to > appear on a lot of records basically just > processing the other instruments through his > VCS3. I remember an interview where Eno and Phil Manzanera were discussing the old Roxy Music days when Eno would process Phil's guitar. Phil used to get frustrated because he would stop playing but he was still hearing guitar. He said that was the reason Eno left the band, that he [Phil] told the band "Either he goes or I go." Eno corrected him, "What really happened was I said I would leave unless I were allowed to do the same thing to Bryan's voice." John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 15:23:39 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15441; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:22:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:22:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021031183013.28785.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021031183013.28785.qmail@web12305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:21:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: VCS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4BlmdB.A._wD.BEZw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My next door neighbor when I was 10, Don Berry, was a wonderful man who amongst many other things wrote a popular book "Trask" about the Oregon mountain men. He was a cerebral pioneer himself, always up to something new. One day he got a brand new VCS3 in the mail, and it changed my life. He ended up giving it to me, perhaps since I was pestering him about it so much and so often he felt like the neighbor in Dennis the Menace. I still have that VCS3 and yes, it is nice to be able to run external signals through its filter and ring modulator and the terribly messy spring reverb that is built in. There really isn't a lot of signal processing complexity available, by today's standards, but the resonant filter is very smooth right up through oscillation. I hadn't heard before that a Putney (the proper British name printed on the unit, the keyboard is called the Cricklewood.) was used for the infamous vocal distortion on 21st Century Schizoid Man. I'll have to try that tonight and scare some trick-or-treaters on Halloween! One loopish technique that I learned on the Putney and still think about when thinking about ways to extending digital audio loop techniques, is the stairstep LFO 'sequencer' effect. You take two subsonic sawtooth waves and set the shape of one so it is an ascending ramp and the other descending. You combine both of these waves and modulate the pitch of an oscillator and/or a filter with both of them. Then you tweak the amplitudes (the knob layout makes this all really easy to do) so that the rising wave going in one direction exactly cancels the slope of the other ramp. You end up with a cyclic sequence of voltage steps, and there are infinite fine-tuning possibilities. It is practically impossible to set one analog LFO to say, exactly five times as fast and five times lower amplitude than the other. If you could you would get a simple five-note arpeggio. Instead, you get into various "barber pole" illusions as the steps sort of slide around and create larger patterns. I am giving up on describing this verbally at this point, but it is a very simple yet deep technique from the school of combining slightly different-length cycles. A lot of this kind of VCS3 synth-looping can be heard on Dark Side of the Moon. -Alex S. At 10:30 AM -0800 10/31/02, Chris Richards wrote: ><<> The drum solo on Groon, from King Crimson's > EARTHBOUND, is processed > > through an EMS Synthi100. > > i'm afraid not. > >it was processed through a VCS3 operated by Pete >Sinfield. a Synthi 100 would not have fit in >Crimson's tour van.>> > >Actually, it's not Sinfield. By the time of the >US tour that Earthbound from which Earthbound was >recorded, Sinfield had left the band. I believe >on that tour, it's actually Hunter McDonald >operating the VCS3. This is also how they got the >distortion on Boz's voice on 21st Century >Schizoid Man (and presumably, also on Greg Lake's >voice on the studio version). > >That was one of the cooler things about old >analog synths from that era, that they could be >used as effects devices for processing other >audio signals. From what I understand, this is >also how Pete Townshend got the keyboard sound on >Won't Get Fooled Again...it's actually an organ >processed through the VCS3, and Brian Eno used to >appear on a lot of records basically just >processing the other instruments through his >VCS3. > >I know the Mini-Moog also allowed you to do this >(though you only had the one low pass filter to >work with there), and I remember someone telling >that all the old modular synths permitted this as >well. It's nice to see that a lot of the current >wave of virtual analog synths are offering this >option again. > >Up until a few years ago, Doug Walker of the NYC >based band Alien Planetscapes still used his VCS3 >in live performance (I guess he started having >technical problems with it, and has since >replaced it with virtual analog equipment). > >===== >May you never thirst! >The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > >"What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of >flamingos?"-James Earl Jones > >__________________________________________________ >Yahoo! - We Remember >9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost >http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 15:43:07 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16708; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:42:18 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:42:18 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC194A0.9D54F029@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:37:52 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a new album? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folks, Sorry to those having technical problems... I'm in the process of trying to set up a CGI form script to replace the current one. In the meantime, give a holler if you experience any additional problems... Many thanks to those who have responded thus far! Best wishes, --Andre LaFosse The Echoplex Analysis Pages: http://www.altruistmusic.com/EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 15:52:57 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17541; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:52:25 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:52:25 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: illinois gig Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:51:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: VCS3 Thread-Index: AcKBG3HWpAetz4IvQFOoW3rh95zgLgAA9IXw From: "Taaffe, Denis G" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2002 20:51:48.0950 (UTC) FILETIME=[54FAFF60:01C2811F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id PAA17479 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Hey I will be playing friday november 01 at the Shawnee Halloween 3 day festival in Carbondale,IL . any loopers near by? Its a three day festival , but I guess it will be held at the Shawnee Salt Petre cave where they havea natural ampitheatre?! Soudns kind of cool. Well, it will be about 5 or so hours for me from Bloomington,IN . Ok ,let me know!! Thanks Denis Denis taaffe denis@dtguitar.com http://www.dtguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 16:11:01 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20496; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:16 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:16 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01a501c28058$e18eba60$6ee65cd1@LocalHost> From: "Bill Fox" To: References: <84.10dde66.2af1a247@aol.com> Subject: Re: OT strings in pop Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:11:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ----- Original Message ----- From: > i was asked today....."who was the first person to use strings in "pop" > music".....any ideas?.....benny goodman at carnegie hall?.....i have no > idea.....thanks.....michael Buddy Holly, iirc. Cheers, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 16:11:48 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20577; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:51 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:10:51 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3DC19B72.3FB70D94@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:06:58 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a new album? References: <3DC07515.3C1E6214@earthlink.net> <003501c280c3$32d20d40$3c544ed5@bigboy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ...a swanky new CGI-powered form has been installed! http://www.altruistmusic.com/news/album2.html Looks the same but works much more slick-like... "CGI is COOL... heh heh heh" Beastly, --Andre From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 16:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23998; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:54:57 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:54:57 -0500 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:52:54 -0600 Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale? From: Tom Roady To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3118924374_2570226_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3118924374_2570226_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: Looping9string@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:54:13 EST To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale? I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson EDP's... In our collaboration and discussion we have concluded that He needs his own pair of EDP's as well, to do what we currently have in mind... He would like to find one used and or, at a reasonable / best price... BOTH with the floor pedal controllers. Any leads and / or suggestions? He is interested in just getting at least one for now so please contact me if you have one or a pair that you would consider selling. I TOO PLAY ZENDRUMS WITH JUST ONE EDP...I'VE BEEN WANTING TO GET MY HANDS ON ANOTHER ONE ALSO FOR STEREO LOOPING...LET ME KNOW IF YOU FIND 3...TOM ROADY --MS_Mac_OE_3118924374_2570226_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Seeking EDP's for sale? From: Looping9string@aol.com
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Subject: Seeking EDP's for sale?

I have been collaborating with a ZEN drummer using my pair of Gibson ED= P's...

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--MS_Mac_OE_3118924374_2570226_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 23:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23944; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:28:04 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:28:04 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c2815e$eab5ff20$de06a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: Subject: How about a new Loopers' Delight CD? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:26:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at out002.verizon.net from [68.160.6.222] at Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:27:04 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: <9ZSC4C.A.j1F.6Kgw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any interested in working on this? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 23:33:02 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24076; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:30:14 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:30:14 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001f01c2815f$3b68df00$de06a044@hppav> From: "David" To: References: <20021031025756.34412.qmail@web12303.mail.yahoo.com> <000601c28092$ceecc840$9707a044@hppav> <1036039648.3dc0b5e091350@www.suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: EMS Synthi 100 and Klaus Schulze Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:29:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH LOGIN at pop017.verizon.net from [68.160.6.222] at Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:29:19 -0600 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I "sit" corrected. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Williamson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: EMS Synthi 100 and Klaus Schulze > Quoting David : > > The drum solo on Groon, from King Crimson's EARTHBOUND, is processed > > through an EMS Synthi100. > > i'm afraid not. > > it was processed through a VCS3 operated by Pete Sinfield. a Synthi 100 would > not have fit in Crimson's tour van. > > hmm a thread involving EMS, Dr Who, King Crimson, and Klaus Schulze. i should > probably make another post. :) > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 31 23:33:11 2002 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24078; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:30:19 -0500 Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:30:19 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael LaMeyer" To: Subject: RE: Indian electronic fusion Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:25:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2815e$b8043e70$12a6fea9@melon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <03c701c280ff$69d3f6f0$0100a8c0@paul> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Resent-Message-ID: <1T_eT.A.v3F.CNgw9@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any exposure to dj cheb? some of my favorite stuff in this vein. i'm delighted by this music and would very much like to hear more. haven't heard any of the artists you mentioned with the exception of talvin singh, but will check them out. any more???? ;-) regards, mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Marshall [mailto:paul@powerhaus.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:51 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Indian electronic fusion > > > > been listening to talvin singh for a few years. > > really like the fusion of cultures there... > > > > >.... This friend has introduced me to some > > > nice Indian-flavored electronic dance music by Talvin > Singh and Karsh > Kalai. > > Talvin Singh's music and his arrangements are wonderful, I'm > a big fan, I > caught on to Karsh Kale (pronounced Kursh Kalay) about 6 months ago, > excellent stuff, not as 'driving' as I had anticipated but > great beats and > lovely melodic passages, there are some excellent downloads from Karsh > Kale's site. Another recommended listen in this vein maybe a > touch more > 'popular' and varied is Nitin Sawhney, but these guys are all > from similar > moulds. I'd also recommend that anyone interested in > electronic or dance > oriented Indian music check out the Dhol Foundation's 'Big > Drum Small World' > album, they put on a pretty impressive live show too > featuring anywhere from > 5 to 200 drummers. The second album is about a year, maybe > less, away. > > Bill Laswell has been instrumental (ouch) in bringing a few > of the current > tabla genii together (Zakir Hussain, Trilok, Talvin, Karsh > along with the > sarangi master Ustad Sultan Khan in a group called 'Tabla > Beat Science' if > tabla and electronics are your thing then check this out, the album is > called Tala Matrix. Bill's trademark sound and arrangements > are all over > it, I love it. > > I almost had the privilege of appearing on a track featuring > Sultan Khan but > bad timing made that impossible before the track was > finalised for the next > Dhol Foundation album, had I been in the right place 6 weeks > earlier DOH!! > The track is stunning, sublime. > > This is the area in which I am currently getting lots of my > influences in my > own writings, I'm not a patch on these guys but I love the > sounds and the > tonalities and it's great craic. I am working on some remix > material using > original studio files from the Dhol Foundation, what a joy, great > recordings, isolated instruments, top drawer players, what a > buzz :) I'd let > you all hear some but I can't for now for (their) record > company reasons, if > I'm able to make them available I'll do so as soon as I can. > > I'm interested in hearing anyone else's recommendations for > this type of > Indian fusion music or any from the middle east which is > another source of > stylistic fusion although from what I have been able to > uncover, electronic > artists don't seem to be having the same impact, maybe it's > the next wave, > maybe not given the current political situation of the region. > > Anyway, it's good to be able to post on a subject that I'm > familiar with > > 0.02 > > Paul > ---------------------- > Paul Marshall > Percussive Artist, Sound Artist > www.powerhaus.net > www.drumdojo.com > NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation > www.dacapo.co.uk > > >