From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 04:22:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i918JYg10681; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:19:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 04:19:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002f01c4a78f$0a100340$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 01:17:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4A754.5D8F9980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75-1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <10t4gD.A.cmC.1LRXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4A754.5D8F9980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I've been having a lot of fun with my new Boomerang, learning how = this whole looping thing works. I have a couple more questions, if you = guys don't mind. My biggest problem is balancing the volume levels on the "overdubs". = I play a very quiet passive bass, which is my main instrument, and I = also play guitar (just a regular 'ol Strat). I'm having a lot of = problems with laying down a bass groove, moving to the guitar, and = trying to find the right volume level for the guitar loop. Often, it = will sound about right through the PA, but when I loop a guitar part, it = comes out way louder than I expected, and then the whole thing sounds = bad because the "background" part is too loud. Then it's back to square = one. Is there some trick to balancing volume levels before adding layers? = My guitar is much louder than my bass, and I want that foundation (the = core bass groove) to be the loudest part of the loop, but instead it = gets buried. I guess the biggest problem is figuring out if the volume = level I hear through the PA will really match what I'm looping or not. Also, I need a good, fast way to switch between the guitar and the = bass, or multiple basses. Is there any kind of small, portable mixer = for this sort of thing? Since I'm going to be booking myself in little = coffee houses I don't want a ton of bulky equipment. I have a Tascam = 4-track recorder and I've been wondering if, at least for now, I could = use it as a mixer. It's only 1/4" out is the "headphone" out, and I = don't know if that's a good out to run into the 'Rang (and then into the = PA) or not. I've used that out into the PA to play back recordings = before, but I don't know if it would have an effect on the sound quality = or if there are other reasons to not use it in this way. Thanks a lot for the help, I'm not technically adept at all, and = this stuff is way above my head! -Jonathan http://www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4A754.5D8F9980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi = everybody,
    I've been having a = lot of fun=20 with my new Boomerang, learning how this whole looping thing = works.  I have=20 a couple more questions, if you guys don't mind.
    My biggest problem = is balancing=20 the volume levels on the "overdubs".  I play a very quiet passive = bass,=20 which is my main instrument, and I also play guitar (just a regular 'ol=20 Strat).  I'm having a lot of problems with laying down a bass = groove,=20 moving to the guitar, and trying to find the right volume level for the = guitar=20 loop.  Often, it will sound about right through the PA, but when I = loop a=20 guitar part, it comes out way louder than I expected, and then the whole = thing=20 sounds bad because the "background" part is too loud.  Then it's = back to=20 square one.
    Is there some trick = to balancing=20 volume levels before adding layers?  My guitar is much louder than = my bass,=20 and I want that foundation (the core bass groove) to be the loudest part = of the=20 loop, but instead it gets buried.  I guess the biggest problem is = figuring=20 out if the volume level I hear through the PA will really match what I'm = looping=20 or not.
    Also, I need a good, = fast way to=20 switch between the guitar and the bass, or multiple basses.  Is = there any=20 kind of small, portable mixer for this sort of thing?  Since I'm = going to=20 be booking myself in little coffee houses I don't want a ton of bulky=20 equipment.  I have a Tascam 4-track recorder and I've been = wondering=20 if, at least for now, I could use it as a mixer.  It's only 1/4" = out is the=20 "headphone" out, and I don't know if that's a good out to run into the = 'Rang=20 (and then into the PA) or not.  I've used that out into the PA to = play back=20 recordings before, but I don't know if it would have an effect on the = sound=20 quality or if there are other reasons to not use it in this = way.
    Thanks a lot for the = help, I'm=20 not technically adept at all, and this stuff is way above my = head!
    = -Jonathan
    http://www.badspatula.com ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C4A754.5D8F9980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 05:23:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i919FWN15703; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:15:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 05:15:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.86.240.236] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 10:14:19 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2004 09:15:01.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[2190BB10:01C4A797] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there In my setup I use a TwinTrak from the Focusrite Platinum Range, I use it to balance levels between my violin and acoustic guitar. The pre-amps in it are Class A and it also has a built in EQ and compression options. If one of your instruments i.e your passive bass is not producing a hot enough signal the instrument gains on it will boost the level. Thats what I use, there are many other single/dual channel rack pre-amps that will do the same job for you, the versitility of these also allows them to be used as a quality piece of recording equipment as well as a useful tool when playing live. Reading that back I feel like a salesman! Dan contact@danmayfield.com _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 06:53:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91AoOw25162; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:50:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 06:50:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003a01c4a7a4$277d8870$14d489d9@j8i7l0> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <415C729F.5060704@sun.com> Subject: Re: Keystroke to midi utility? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 11:46:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try midikeyz Gareth > > > >I remember hearing (I think on this list) about a small utility program > >that will generate midi events from computer keyboard keystrokes. > >Something that sits in the background and intercepts designated > >keystrokes and, allows your main apps to be in foreground and accepting > >other keystrokes. I've looked in the archive and couldn't find anything. > >Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 12:10:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91G6Oj31244; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:06:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:06:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <146.350f3657.2e8eda43@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:05:23 EDT Subject: Re: Balancing Volume Levels? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_146.350f3657.2e8eda43_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_146.350f3657.2e8eda43_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jonathan.....i think a small mixer is the trick, try your 4 trac, i know at times i use mine as an additional mixer and it sounds peachy.....with a mixer you can preset your levels and just switch from bass to guitar and not have to worry about resetting volume levels.....if you do get a mixer be aware that no matter how many inputs you have, i.e. bass/guitar/rang and don't forget the aux out/ synths if you got them etc. you will always want more (inputs) there are never enough.....:).....sounds like you are having fun with your looping and that's the point!.....michael --part1_146.350f3657.2e8eda43_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jonathan.....i think= a small mixer is the trick, try your 4 trac, i know at times i use mine as=20= an additional mixer and it sounds peachy.....with a mixer you can preset you= r levels and just switch from bass to guitar and not have to worry about res= etting volume levels.....if you do get a mixer be aware that no matter how m= any inputs you have, i.e. bass/guitar/rang and don't forget the aux out/ syn= ths if you got them etc. you will always want more (inputs) there are never=20= enough.....:).....sounds like you are having fun with your looping and that'= s the point!.....michael --part1_146.350f3657.2e8eda43_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 12:12:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91G9dU32052; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:09:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:09:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040929085330.02808b80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200409290618.i8T6I1J20308@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040929085330.02808b80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <061700FC-13C4-11D9-A770-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: MFC-10 remembered Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:07:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Where on Earth and elsewhere, can I get that Brother Sync? How does BeatSync work with two Echoplexi? Is there some other sync method? Is the BrotherSync really the best unit? 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-------------------------------1096647287-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 12:42:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91GcJM03502; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:38:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:38:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Yo Gareth Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:37:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <003a01c4a7a4$277d8870$14d489d9@j8i7l0> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sorry your not making it to this years shindig. You will be missed. Your set was a big highlight for me, and a real eye opener about the possibilities of live looping and a laptop. Bill Walker -----Original Message----- From: gareth whittock [mailto:gareth.whitcock@ntlworld.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 3:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Keystroke to midi utility? Try midikeyz Gareth > > > >I remember hearing (I think on this list) about a small utility program > >that will generate midi events from computer keyboard keystrokes. > >Something that sits in the background and intercepts designated > >keystrokes and, allows your main apps to be in foreground and accepting > >other keystrokes. I've looked in the archive and couldn't find anything. > >Does that sound familiar to anyone? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 12:49:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91GiLC04392; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:44:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:44:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <061700FC-13C4-11D9-A770-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> References: <200409290618.i8T6I1J20308@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040929085330.02808b80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <061700FC-13C4-11D9-A770-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <11D0F2F5-13C9-11D9-A88E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: MFC-10 remembered Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 18:43:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <_-EP3C.A.0DB.QlYXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 1, 2004, at 18:07, Larry Cooperman wrote: > Where on Earth and elsewhere, can I get that Brother Sync? How does > BeatSync work with two Echoplexi? > > Is there some other sync method? Is the BrotherSync really the best > unit? Hi Larry, As far as I know you can only get Brother Sync from an Echoplex. With two Echoplexi bro-sync provides a time reference. Each musician can create longer or shorter loops but "the metronome beat" will be shared. It's not like one is the master and the other has to be the slave as with midi clock or MTC sync (here also answering your third question). > Is the BrotherSync really the best unit? It's not a unit, since it's actually built into the Echoplex hardware. You connect two echoplexes with a stereo jack cable and wait a couple of seconds for them to hook up. That's it. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 13:01:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91Gprh05644; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:51:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:51:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <11D0F2F5-13C9-11D9-A88E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <200409290618.i8T6I1J20308@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20040929085330.02808b80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <061700FC-13C4-11D9-A770-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> <11D0F2F5-13C9-11D9-A88E-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: MFC-10 remembered Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:50:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Per, I was online looking for the unit, now I can relax and wait for my other Echoplex to arrive. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 14:52:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91IhxU18034; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:43:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 14:43:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002a01c4a7e6$77cdf700$31d489d9@j8i7l0> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: Subject: Re: Yo Gareth Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 19:42:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <_WygY.A.7YE.SVaXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Shame I'm gonna miss it this year... Have a great one anyway. Made a few friends last year too.. Any time your in or near Wales, pop round. Take it easy, Gareth > Sorry your not making it to this years shindig. You will be missed. Your > set was a big highlight for me, and a real eye opener about the > possibilities of live looping and a laptop. > Bill Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 15:08:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91J6N920683; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:06:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:06:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone use a ROland VG8?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently bit the proverbial bullet and moved from my GR300 series to the GK2 pickups. latest toy is a VG8ex. Initial impressions are the "modeled" 12 string, Les paul, etc are fun but hardly the real thing HOWEVER the weirder stuff (synths, extereme effects, etc) is quite cool if abused properly and the tracking is amazing. I'm having a lot fo trouble getting to the route of programmning though. As always ther Roland manula is cryptic japenglish at best. In particular I woudl liek to access the actual Waveforms in the synth models. I hear them in the presets (Sawtooth waves being fed into a filter somewhere) but I'll be damns if I can find any menu that lets me scoll them into the "instrument" section. I recently bought a Boss WP-20 wavefore processor with has a Square and saw wave which I'm sure the VG8ex has. If anyone can help me find them I'd really appreciate it. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 15:26:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91JNpt22513; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <415DA062.5722A31F@clara.net> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:22:27 +0200 From: Antoine Olivier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: oberheim echoplex midi foot pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: livid Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everybody, I just got an echoplex of ebay without a pedal. I was wondering if I should buy the oberheim pedal ( if I can find it) or if there is a better and cheaper option with midi pedals out there. Which to get and what are the differences. thanks very much for your help. tone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 15:33:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91JSt523262; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:28:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:28:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone use a ROland VG8?? Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:28:27 +0000 Message-Id: <100120041928.5856.415DAFDB000AAB67000016E021979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a VG-8 and have had a lot of fun looping with it. I need to post some mp3s at some point. I built up a pretty convincing imitation of a whole country band by layering bass, guitar, banjo, and pedal steel sounds. The "HRM" sounds are pretty weird, and I'm not suprised you are having difficulty finding anything resembling normal synthesizer parameters to tweak. I'm not sure what they are doing, but it's not like a normal synthesizer. Some of the patches sound to me like the guitar sound is somehow being morphed with sampled attacks of instruments; I remember one sounds like a brass instrument attack. I don't think there is anything as normal as a waveform selection anywhere. If you can't find it in the menus, it probably isn't there. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 15:35:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91JXta24343; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:33:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:33:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: oberheim echoplex midi foot pedal Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 19:33:11 +0000 Message-Id: <100120041933.12643.415DB0F70005EDE00000316321979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <3h5JgD.A.L6F.-DbXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Hello everybody, > > I just got an echoplex of ebay without a pedal. > I was wondering if I should buy the oberheim pedal ( if I can find it) > or if there is a better and cheaper option with midi pedals out there. > Which to get and what are the differences. > thanks very much for your help. > > tone Hey, I happen to have an extra footpedal I need to get rid of due to a mistake by Musician's Friend. It is a beige-colored pedal with the "Gibson" logo which works perfectly but has a few small scratches. I can take pix if you want. Make me an offer. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 15:50:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91JhTf25598; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:43:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:43:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4A7FF.87DE2C00@dyn-83-152-183-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:42:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4A7FF.87E753C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4A7FF.87E753C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jonathan, I think your Tascam must have some line out plug (RCA type); I would try plugin the instruments into the Tascam,=20 and plug the Tascam RCA out into the Aux In of the Rang;=20 you should then be able to use the Tascam track level sliders to balance the levels of each instrument. hope that helps Francois check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Jonathan [SMTP:jonathan@kelloggcreek.com] Date: vendredi 1 octobre 2004 10:17 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Balancing Volume Levels? Hi everybody, I've been having a lot of fun with my new Boomerang, learning how = this whole looping thing works. I have a couple more questions, if you = guys don't mind. My biggest problem is balancing the volume levels on the "overdubs". = I play a very quiet passive bass, which is my main instrument, and I = also play guitar (just a regular 'ol Strat). I'm having a lot of = problems with laying down a bass groove, moving to the guitar, and = trying to find the right volume level for the guitar loop. Often, it = will sound about right through the PA, but when I loop a guitar part, it = comes out way louder than I expected, and then the whole thing sounds = bad because the "background" part is too loud. Then it's back to square = one. Is there some trick to balancing volume levels before adding layers? = My guitar is much louder than my bass, and I want that foundation (the = core bass groove) to be the loudest part of the loop, but instead it = gets buried. I guess the biggest problem is figuring out if the volume = level I hear through the PA will really match what I'm looping or not. Also, I need a good, fast way to switch between the guitar and the = bass, or multiple basses. Is there any kind of small, portable mixer = for this sort of thing? Since I'm going to be booking myself in little = coffee houses I don't want a ton of bulky equipment. I have a Tascam = 4-track recorder and I've been wondering if, at least for now, I could = use it as a mixer. It's only 1/4" out is the "headphone" out, and I = don't know if that's a good out to run into the 'Rang (and then into the = PA) or not. I've used that out into the PA to play back recordings = before, but I don't know if it would have an effect on the sound quality = or if there are other reasons to not use it in this way. 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ADiFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAMADTT9NwAA2kI= ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4A7FF.87E753C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 16:07:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i91K0Fi28472; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:00:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:00:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,190,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="352376013:sNHT14169434" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <67EBCE72-13E4-11D9-BC0A-000393BCB5E6@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Anyone use a ROland VG8?? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:59:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Welcome to the select (and astonishingly small!) group of adventuresome guitarists who have discovered the most interesting guitar synth ever devised! Unfortunately (I suppose), there's no way to access raw waveforms within the VG8; you're limited to just the parameters available within each HRM model, which are certainly pretty arcane. But if you want a crash course in unfolding the best of these instruments (and access to a huge, extensive and detailed archive of VG-user comments and explorations), I suggest you get right over to vg-8.com and start downloading some of their vast patch library via sysex dump. I hope you got an extra data card with your VG! Allow me to humbly further suggest that you start with the patch sets I created and posted there; I've explored the HRM side of the V as deeply as anybody I've ever heard of (wish that weren't the case), and have posted hundreds of "weird" VG explorations. The VG is certainly the looping guitarist's most neglected resource, IMHO... Good hunting! David Coffin On Oct 1, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Legion wrote: > HOWEVER the weirder stuff (synths, extereme effects, etc) is quite > cool if > abused properly and the tracking is amazing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 20:16:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9203wb18747; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:03:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:03:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006a01c4a815$18240590$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <1d6.2c5b488b.2e8edc77@aol.com> Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 17:16:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OT?: I haven't been able to get ebay to load on my browser (Micro. Explorer) for a couple of weeks. Has this been happening to any of you? ||:David:|| ----- Original Message ----- From: Wjguitar@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: (no subject) http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQgotopageZ1QQsassZthesoundhouseQQsosortorderZ1QQs osortpropertyZ1 Heads Up...some Roland stuff and a Magnatone are for sale on ebay From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 21:12:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9219Rn25299; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:09:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:09:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006a01c4a815$18240590$0200a8c0@audiows> References: <1d6.2c5b488b.2e8edc77@aol.com> <006a01c4a815$18240590$0200a8c0@audiows> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:08:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >OT?: > >I haven't been able to get ebay to load on my browser (Micro. Explorer) for >a couple of weeks. Has this been happening to any of you? It's working for me. I tried two browsers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 21:56:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i921his28840; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:43:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:43:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Seeking musicians: San Francisco Found Objects Festival Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:42:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2004 01:43:01.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[27243D10:01C4A821] Resent-Message-ID: <3FQGvD.A.3_G.3egXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey everyone, I'm putting together the 3rd Annual San Francisco Found Objects Festival, and am looking for 2 or 3 more musicians to create music using only sounds from household objects submitted by the audience. If you're interested, please read the info below. General: The dates are Thursday and Friday, November 4th and 5th in San Francisco. Venues are the Luggage Store Gallery (thursday) and 964 Natoma (friday). Set time is 20 minutes per performer/group. (That'll make more sense when you read the rest.) There's no payment guarantee or anything. Artists will get an even share of the door after the venue takes its fee. The challenge: All the sounds used in your set must be generated from an object that was submitted by an audience member. Musicians are allowed to bring any equipment to MODIFY sounds, including bows, malletts, laptop computers, samplers and effects. You can't use guitars, drums, voice, etc, unless it's the sound of the found object that we're hearing. (For example, using a spring as a prepared guitar implement is not allowed, but using a guitar as a midi device to control samples of a spring is allowed.) The objects submitted by the audience will be placed in a loose mess around the performance area. During your set, you're free to pick up and use any of the objects you feel are appropriate for what you're doing. All the acts in the night will be working from the same pool of objects. I try to book a variety of musical styles in each night though, so different acts will use different objects, or the same objects differently. In order to keep the event on schedule, we ask the artists to have their equipment set-up before the show starts. Anyway, if you're interested, please email me off-list. Right now we're only looking for 2 or 3 people, but we keep "extra" folks in mind for future installments. Matt Davignon _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 22:14:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9229wM31480; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:09:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:09:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20 / EDP Sync Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 02:09:20 +0000 Message-Id: <100220040209.9251.415E0DD000027E7C0000242321979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jul 8 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been playing around with the synch thing some more. I think I came up with a circuit that will make the RC-20 only send a synch signal when it is actually playing sound. This worked ok when actually hooked up to the Echoplex as well, but after playing with it for a while, I am having a problem. I should explain the setup...I have a bunch of 4 and 8-bar drum loops loaded into my RC-20. I need to be able to start the RC-20, hit record on the EDP, and have the EDP start recording when the next synch pulse comes in. This works. Then I need it to keep recording until the next synch pulse after I hit the record pedal again. This works as long as you don't try to make a really long loop. But when I try to record a long one where the EDP is recording 16 or 32 repetitions of the RC-20's loop, the ending of the loop gets further and further off from where it should be. It looks to me like what's happening is that the EDP only pays attention to the first two synch pulses after you hit record, and after that ignores them and uses its own internal timing based on those first two pulses. Maybe I have some parameter set wrong? Is there a way to make the EDP readjust itself to every new synch pulse during the whole time it is recording, and to stop recording based on a synch pulse? Thanks. Mark Smart www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 22:59:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i922x3303752; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:59:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:59:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <140.3486413e.2e8f7359@aol.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:58:33 EDT Subject: Re: Seeking musicians: San Francisco Found Objects Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_140.3486413e.2e8f7359_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_140.3486413e.2e8f7359_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/04 9:43:27 PM, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes: > Matt Davignon > go matt go!.....i wish i lived in cali!.....mixhael --part1_140.3486413e.2e8f7359_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/1/04 9:43:27 PM, mattdavignon@hotmail.com writes:


Matt Davignon


go matt go!.....i wish i lived in cali!.....mixhael
--part1_140.3486413e.2e8f7359_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 23:18:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i923GLe05488; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:16:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:16:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000e01c4a82d$d81891a0$cc01a8c0@kelloggcreek.com> From: "Jonathan" To: References: <01C4A7FF.87DE2C00@dyn-83-152-183-171.ppp.tiscali.fr> Subject: Re: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:13:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.75-1, clamav-milter version 0.75c on mail X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is there any reason not to use the 1/4" "headphone" out, on the Tascam? I don't think I have the right type of cable for it's other out. Will the Tascam (4-track recorder) add any noise or other bad stuff, if I use it as a mixer instead of getting a real one? Thanks! -Jonathan www.badspatula.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Lebrun" To: Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Balancing Volume Levels? Hi Jonathan, I think your Tascam must have some line out plug (RCA type); I would try plugin the instruments into the Tascam, and plug the Tascam RCA out into the Aux In of the Rang; you should then be able to use the Tascam track level sliders to balance the levels of each instrument. hope that helps Francois check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Jonathan [SMTP:jonathan@kelloggcreek.com] Date: vendredi 1 octobre 2004 10:17 À: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Balancing Volume Levels? Hi everybody, I've been having a lot of fun with my new Boomerang, learning how this whole looping thing works. I have a couple more questions, if you guys don't mind. My biggest problem is balancing the volume levels on the "overdubs". I play a very quiet passive bass, which is my main instrument, and I also play guitar (just a regular 'ol Strat). I'm having a lot of problems with laying down a bass groove, moving to the guitar, and trying to find the right volume level for the guitar loop. Often, it will sound about right through the PA, but when I loop a guitar part, it comes out way louder than I expected, and then the whole thing sounds bad because the "background" part is too loud. Then it's back to square one. Is there some trick to balancing volume levels before adding layers? My guitar is much louder than my bass, and I want that foundation (the core bass groove) to be the loudest part of the loop, but instead it gets buried. I guess the biggest problem is figuring out if the volume level I hear through the PA will really match what I'm looping or not. Also, I need a good, fast way to switch between the guitar and the bass, or multiple basses. Is there any kind of small, portable mixer for this sort of thing? Since I'm going to be booking myself in little coffee houses I don't want a ton of bulky equipment. I have a Tascam 4-track recorder and I've been wondering if, at least for now, I could use it as a mixer. It's only 1/4" out is the "headphone" out, and I don't know if that's a good out to run into the 'Rang (and then into the PA) or not. I've used that out into the PA to play back recordings before, but I don't know if it would have an effect on the sound quality or if there are other reasons to not use it in this way. Thanks a lot for the help, I'm not technically adept at all, and this stuff is way above my head! -Jonathan http://www.badspatula.com<< Fichier: ATT00001.htm>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 1 23:39:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i923VRn06839; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:31:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:31:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002901c4a830$d759ce20$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Nik Beeson, Morgan Doctor & John Kameel Farah Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:35:19 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Those of you who have wished for THE AMBiENT PiNG on the weekend will have your chance this Saturday October 2nd and Sunday October 3rd as the PiNG lands in Cabbagetown for a special weekend festival as part of Toronto Arts Week. 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Shortly percussive tones enter the track echoing the initial melodies. Very nicely crafted. Track three, "Escaped (Edit)" is a more abstract piece than the others, relying on oscillating waves to create a rich sense of environment, rather than the melodic patterns used earlier. Subtle and understated, this may be my favorite track on the disc. Exquisite. Closing track "Solid Textures" is a lush, majestic work that brings together many of the earlier ideas and themes of the disc. Epic in scope, rich in tone, "Solid Textures" is a brilliant piece to close the disc, summing up the idea that "Air is the Means". Over the course of three CDs, Paul Needler has developed his craft and skills to an impressive level. With this latest release he lives up to and surpasses expectations. If this disc is any indication, there are some very exciting things in store from this bright new talent. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 00:57:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i924t0e13915; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 00:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 00:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c4a83a$6ffda580$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> From: "Doug Cox" To: References: <100220040209.9251.415E0DD000027E7C0000242321979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Subject: Repeater Loop Select Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:43:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I can't find the answer in the archives, but I'm almost sure it was discussed back in the early Repeater days... I know that the Repeater's MIDI implementation allows for direct selection of the internal (and CFC card) loops via Program Changes. At first I thought this didn't work, because I couldn't get the Repeater to select a new loop. But then I realized that the PC command will only select the new loop if it's already been recorded. It seems that one must use "Next Loop Up" and "Next Loop Down", and then a subsequent press of Record, to move to a new loop and record in it. At least the Repeater does this "quantized". I like that! Given all of this, has anyone have suggestions or strategies for moving between loops on both an EDP and a Repeater, that is manageable with a typical MIDI footcontroller? I'm using the FCB1010, and would love to have one button that would move to the next loop on both the EDP and the Repeater, with no subsequent presses. Any ideas? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 01:11:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9251s514924; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:01:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:01:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12d.4bc96f2c.2e8f902d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:01:33 EDT Subject: Re: Balancing Volume Levels? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.4bc96f2c.2e8f902d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12d.4bc96f2c.2e8f902d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/1/04 11:17:15 PM, jonathan@kelloggcreek.com writes: > Will the > Tascam (4-track recorder) add any noise or other bad stuff, if I use it as a > mixer instead of getting a real one? > jonathan.....just hook it up and listen.....some people just love the "bad stuff".....:).....michael --part1_12d.4bc96f2c.2e8f902d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/1/04 11:17:15 PM, jonathan@kelloggcreek.com writes:

Will the
Tascam (4-track recorder) add any noise or other bad stuff, if I use it as a=
mixer instead of getting a real one?


jonathan.....just hook it up and listen.....some people just love the "bad s= tuff".....:).....michael
--part1_12d.4bc96f2c.2e8f902d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 03:01:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i926t3B26618; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 02:55:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 02:55:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Repeater Loop Select Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 08:57:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004f01c4a83a$6ffda580$0e0aa8c0@upstairs> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I don't know if that specific question is discussed here: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi but since you are using the Repeater in conjunction with the EDP it might be a useful resource. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Samstag, 2. Oktober 2004 06:44 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Repeater Loop Select > > > I can't find the answer in the archives, but I'm almost sure it was > discussed back in the early Repeater days... > > I know that the Repeater's MIDI implementation allows for direct selection > of the internal (and CFC card) loops via Program Changes. At first I > thought this didn't work, because I couldn't get the Repeater to select a > new loop. But then I realized that the PC command will only > select the new > loop if it's already been recorded. It seems that one must use "Next Loop > Up" and "Next Loop Down", and then a subsequent press of Record, > to move to > a new loop and record in it. > > At least the Repeater does this "quantized". I like that! > > Given all of this, has anyone have suggestions or strategies for moving > between loops on both an EDP and a Repeater, that is manageable with a > typical MIDI footcontroller? I'm using the FCB1010, and would > love to have > one button that would move to the next loop on both the EDP and the > Repeater, with no subsequent presses. Any ideas? > > Doug > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 05:42:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i929Xuc09622; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:33:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 05:33:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <415E6791.9906087E@clara.net> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 10:32:18 +0200 From: Antoine Olivier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex with midi foot pedal References: <200410020318.i923IZk06032@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E52850A9344D59AD3FEA4959" X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: livid Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------E52850A9344D59AD3FEA4959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the offer Mark but I am in the UK, it probably won't make sense to ship it. Whatt do you want for it and where are you? thanks Tone > > > Hello everybody, > > > > I just got an echoplex of ebay without a pedal. > > I was wondering if I should buy the oberheim pedal ( if I can find > it) > > or if there is a better and cheaper option with midi pedals out > there. > > Which to get and what are the differences. > > thanks very much for your help. > > > > tone > > Hey, I happen to have an extra footpedal I need to get rid of due to a > mistake > by Musician's Friend. It is a beige-colored pedal with the "Gibson" > logo which > works perfectly but has a few small scratches. I can take pix if you > want. > Make me an offer. > > Mark Smart --------------E52850A9344D59AD3FEA4959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the offer Mark but I am in the UK, it probably won't make sense to ship it.
Whatt do you want for it and where are you?

thanks

Tone



 
> Hello everybody,

> I just got an echoplex of ebay without a pedal.
> I was wondering if I should buy the oberheim pedal ( if I can find it)
> or if there is a better and cheaper option with midi pedals out there.
> Which to get and what are the differences.
> thanks very much for your help.

> tone

Hey, I happen to have an extra footpedal I need to get rid of due to a mistake 
by Musician's Friend. It is a beige-colored pedal with the "Gibson" logo which
works perfectly but has a few small scratches. I can take pix if you want.
Make me an offer.

Mark Smart
--------------E52850A9344D59AD3FEA4959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 06:47:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92AdlG16588; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:39:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:39:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4A87C.BA0DE3A0@dyn-83-155-200-132.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:38:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4A87C.BA0DE3A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4A87C.BA0DE3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable that's true; I love the sounds which are not so clean but more ... alive = and dirty, (use the link below to listen to some samples of my music, about half of it was made using a Boomerang), but that's a question of = individual taste. I think connecting the Tascam RCA out to the Rang Aux In should not bring noise because because that's what the Aux In is made for=20 (look at the Rang User's Manual, "Aux In is provided to allow connection = to a tape player"); the signal at the Tascam phones out is not supposed to be used as an = input for another effect, so using it could bring unwanted noise; also be sure to use the matching setting of the Rang Input Level switch; = and of course, using trial and errors can be the best way. about the cable, a male-male RCA should not be a problem to find and should not cost a lot (here, a 2.5 m / 8 feet long one costs 5 euros which is I think a lot, I'm sure you can find cheaper prices than what = we have here in Paris). Francois check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Nemoguitt@aol.com [SMTP:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Date: samedi 2 octobre 2004 07:02 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: Re: Balancing Volume Levels? In a message dated 10/1/04 11:17:15 PM, jonathan@kelloggcreek.com = writes: > Will the > Tascam (4-track recorder) add any noise or other bad stuff, if I use = it as a > mixer instead of getting a real one? >=20 jonathan.....just hook it up and listen.....some people just love the = "bad=20 stuff".....:).....michael << Fichier: ATT00012.htm>> ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4A87C.BA0DE3A0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiAKAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAIAIAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdo dEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAATG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdo dC5jb20AAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAACQAAABMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRA bG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAmAAAAJ0xvb3BlcnMt RGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tJwAAAAIBCzABAAAAKQAAAFNNVFA6TE9PUEVSUy1E RUxJR0hUQExPT1BFUlMtREVMSUdIVC5DT00AAAAAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAJAAA AExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAAIB918BAAAAZQAAAAAAAACBKx+k vqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29wZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tAFNNVFAA TG9vcGVycy1EZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20AAAAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB 9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAALBhQEEgAEAHQAAAFJFOiBCYWxhbmNpbmcgVm9sdW1lIExldmVscz8A0gkB BYADAA4AAADUBwoAAgAMACYAGwAGADoBASCAAwAOAAAA1AcKAAIADAABAAQABgD+AAEJgAEAIQAA ADFCNjFGMTM5NjVBOEM0MTFCMkZGMjI3QUNCNzE5MEYzACUHAQOQBgDkCAAAIQAAAAsAAgABAAAA CwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQCApcXza6jEAR4AcAAB AAAAHQAAAFJFOiBCYWxhbmNpbmcgVm9sdW1lIExldmVscz8AAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAcSoa/O8 OyRaIRRpEdme40RFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABIAAABmci5sZWJy dW5AZnJlZS5mcgAAAAMABhA95X9lAwAHEMwEAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABUSEFUU1RSVUU7SUxPVkVU SEVTT1VORFNXSElDSEFSRU5PVFNPQ0xFQU5CVVRNT1JFQUxJVkVBTkRESVJUWSwoVVNFVEhFTElO S0JFTE9XVE9MSVNURU5UT1NPTUVTQU1QTEVTAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAxAUAAMAFAACFCAAATFpGdX2Y y8o/AAoBAwH3AqQD4wIAY2jBCsBzZXQwIAcTAoNjAFAO71RhaANxAoMyoRCncHJxMg/pMxKLmQ9P fX0KgAjIIDsJb1gyNTUCgAqBdgiQd9JrC4BkNAxgYwBQCwMGYwBBC2BuZzEwMy42C6cKsQqAdA9w dCcJBCB0cgpQOyBJIKkJAHZlG7BoHHBzCGCjGOAEIHdoaQ9gIArAGRxwbm8FQBzQIGNscmUDkWJ1 BUAEYB2xLjMfQB2QbGkcYQBwZCAkZGkAIHksGvQodacPoByDH5Buax6gZQkAzQfgdB4wH5BzdAnw IhJnHNAHgBzAYW0LUAeRb/pmHuB5HuAg8B1gIHUBoLcIYAVAD3BsI9AjwWkFQNx3YQQgAMABACAk MRoQUR2QIEJvIwFyGgEpbiweoxtVJuBxClAicGmPAiAlgxjgH6BpZHUHQPcbsCYAIoAuGvQa9Bwg G1DzIYIFoG5uBZAo0CaxHJLPEcAE8CNQB/BDQSOwJ9KbHjAcklIaAQ/gdXgcEOUDoHMR4HVsIAAd 4Rr0/mIFECaxHeAEABxwIcAswP8g8jB2G1UdQBtwHIMuRQQA3yYkAhAK1CDBCQBvIaAyBdUt81UP oHIbkU0AcCnB/SegIjJ4ExAcUCmgCYAiEr8HQCHiK6Yo8TdSKfFwHHDlC1F5BJAiKRbgGwUcsbhp Z24p0TIFLJVwEeAfK9AjoR7BMuEd43VwcP5vD6A3MyHAJnE3ISYBA5H9C4BwHsEzYgBwHfAcoAXA /wERK+EgdR4hJoQlwQWgLuL/L7Qc8CXwAjA3ITATObUHQH8eIT2RPNAdsSIhIPYAwHT/D2Amog+h LAMjwS23LoA+kvxMZRxgAyAD4UTRHAAkhf8f8SPBQSEPkSegJoQbwAcx/x/TBJADYA+QHkAeghx0 IcD7InAl4XkqWyTkHJIswAJg70jhJuAAwB5gLU2yLPMuuL89gibgNsFNQSzgIiFmGNF/R8hOmQWg S1Em4AkABUAoIz9RTWMyLjUe4CAv/CA4M1AJ4AVACQBFkivQ91HDBCBTMGUIcD0QGvQdRM8y4Ssm UiMnoEknLOBDs/55CGBKc1BCHkAcoDjxBcC/ExAdYAeRG1EDoDHjdxxwzw9wHGFSkilBIFAKwAQA 5ikqWwr0c2IaMAFAI0D3XOIZsA/QRidRBaAEABB09jEaYCFxZQKyDJIAQFiShmMhoCPxQ0QgRQrA +mwkAFcf4QZxGhAjoQOiBQ/QaAJAcDovL3fhYnAuY2RiAaBLoAWg9G0vXOEwKNAHgRByXBn/EmFc GR+QGlAa4QNgIoAr8LQgLWaiTQeQI0BnHHD8ZCcFsDpwXuFmoypmZjQPGuMLMWY0AgBpLTIy4wHA XsEyNjMScAzQalOgYiBEZToMg2IP0BMHwARgZ3UlwHRAYQMG8GMSIFtTTVRQ+jpsX10qZWuBG3Br uCNB/QmAaVMAI7Ar8E+wHbEB0IAwNCAwNzowZPbjX3EUACdjMGvAEmFr5WZMJxBY4XMta6AfkGf9 YgBANBFz4wEAdFNjEm732E9iag+wa8dSa7Am8NcHQF3hJqJWBvB1IxFG4/xzP2hfaWplxBqLKsUD oL9NkWcGb5EgABowY1AvcYFQMTE6MXHAMVMwUDpNJ6BqAiAbcFmhQGuzIdAJAGdnBQAJ4GttI3Z3 BRAigHNrwFu9CoA+P2DQAxAp4RyggcYslSg0fi0bwADQIaAJcAWhBIEp9R2QZD3xbiQAMBQFsT80 82LQUQF0dQEgJ6AGkBwRjyDyJcE+EoHGbWl4P2H/C4AicYZhI8FnQEVkJuAJcP8p0TvReQWCICpq fvYfQR9A/mog8CUhNCIlwTzgH9MiVH+MgyLzOQBz0E4hjNMcRyLXhlJABYaiIoyDOluAjILPiIAP YSHQGvQ8PF2wHWGjCJF3cEFUVGNxMVMQsWIAbT4+GvQWAQCVQAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAIAAAADAIAQ /////0AABzAAmL66ZqjEAUAACDAAmL66ZqjEAQMAAIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABCFAAAA AAAACwADgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAADABWACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAA AABShQAAtw0AAAMAF4AIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAAHgAcgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOC4wAAsAHYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAA6FAAAAAAAA AwAegAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEYUAAAAAAAADAB+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAY hQAAAAAAAB4ANoAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADaFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeADeACCAGAAAA AADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAA3hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA4gAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAOIUA AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAB4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAwANNP03AABueA== ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4A87C.BA0DE3A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 07:03:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92B2XT19163; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:02:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:02:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 04:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure of the technical nomenclature, but I wish I did, as I have a similar situation. Sounds like you might have a host problem in your registry; invasive code gets in and redirects you to another site (usually a porn site or some sort of advertisng/spyware type of thing). In doing so, it inserts a line into your registry that does not allow you to visit the site you actually wanted; in my case, these would include Amazon and (gasp) Looper's Delight. After you've removed the offending site, a registry entry remains, so that when you subsequently try to access the site you originally wanted, your browser times out. It's related to "browser hijacking", but again, I haven't been able to find out enough about how to fix it to actually do so. :( Does anyone have a suggestion for how to fix this without wiping the whole registry/operating system/hard drive? Or at least, can someone offer a better/clearer explanation than I have so that I'll have a better clue? -t- --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >OT?: > > > >I haven't been able to get ebay to load on my > browser (Micro. Explorer) for > >a couple of weeks. Has this been happening to any > of you? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 08:02:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92BtVk24534; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:55:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:55:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c4a876$a861de50$d55bd618@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) Viruses Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:55:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <6XCzhB.A.9-F.ZcpXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi: You might want to peruse these sites (assuming you still can) to obtain information on the particular type of infection you have. I just had one of my machines totally trashed by adware/virus. I have to format and reinstall Windows. Bad mojo. It was the Coolwebsearch virus, I believe. If I would have followed the proper sequence for removel (obtained from the spywareinfo site), I probably would have been able to remove it. I stumbled around running SPYBOT and eventually hosed my system. Luckily I have two. http://www1.spywareinfo.com/ http://www.speedguide.net/ Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) > I'm not sure of the technical nomenclature, but I wish > I did, as I have a similar situation. Sounds like you > might have a host problem in your registry; invasive > code gets in and redirects you to another site > (usually a porn site or some sort of > advertisng/spyware type of thing). In doing so, it > inserts a line into your registry that does not allow > you to visit the site you actually wanted; in my case, > these would include Amazon and (gasp) Looper's > Delight. After you've removed the offending site, a > registry entry remains, so that when you subsequently > try to access the site you originally wanted, your > browser times out. > > It's related to "browser hijacking", but again, I > haven't been able to find out enough about how to fix > it to actually do so. :( > > Does anyone have a suggestion for how to fix this > without wiping the whole registry/operating > system/hard drive? Or at least, can someone offer a > better/clearer explanation than I have so that I'll > have a better clue? > > -t- > > --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > >OT?: > > > > > >I haven't been able to get ebay to load on my > > browser (Micro. Explorer) for > > >a couple of weeks. Has this been happening to any > > of you? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 10:37:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92ESCu08521; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:28:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:28:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041002142747.34096.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Digitech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c4a5d0$d687a150$6601a8c0@watercooled> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A few years ago in a thread on the XP-300 Space Station, I seem to recall someone mentioning that a lot of the XP-300's presets are the same as those found on a particular DigiTech rackmount box. Anyone know which one(s)? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 12:56:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92GmNf22292; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f04100209474d92b23a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:47:29 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) In-Reply-To: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 04:01:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim Nelson wrote: > > Does anyone have a suggestion for how to fix this > without wiping the whole registry/operating > system/hard drive? Or at least, can someone offer a > better/clearer explanation than I have so that I'll > have a better clue? > Use Mozilla - http://www.mozilla.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 13:45:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92HgJE27978; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:42:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:42:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: (no subject) (ebay) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:41:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcSob1votSYXnNWMRlWI+VwLcblz+QAMMwhQ Message-Id: <20041002174140.ZEVZ27403.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <814S3D.A.b0G.chuXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you tried free ad-aware SE. Here's one of there add on's http://www.lavasoft.de/software/addons/lspexplorer.shtml "Layered Service Providers (LSP) are small pieces of software that can be added or inserted into the Windows TCP/IP handler by other software. Data outward bound from your computer to a legitimate destination on the Internet can be intercepted by an LSP and sent somewhere other than where you intend it to go. LSP Explorer lets you view active LSP and Name Service Providers on your system, along with detailed information about each so you can determine whether or not they're legitimate. Access LSP Explorer can be run directly from the Add-ons menu. LSP Explorer works with all versions of Ad-Aware." I had a lot of similar problems, that not even SPYBOT could get rid of, so I downloaded all of ad-aware's add on's, so between the two of them, and a few others (system mechanic, and mcAfee), I finally cleaned out the registry. I believe that what's going on here is one of the biggest invaders of our privacy in recent history, and they are getting away with it, in the name of free enterprise. I've even contacted my congress-person, and told them that I'm in business too, and I'm for free enterprise, but for me, this is no different than the civil rights movements of the 60's. The businesses, and schools, etc, back then, had a right to serve, or not to serve anyone they pleased, but the people being discriminated against had a higher right, and the people eventually won out! Likewise, the internet businesses have a right to market and to advertise, but once they intrude into our computers, they've more than passed the limit of their rights. If they physically came into our houses, there are laws to protect and defend ourselves, and to prosecute them for forced entry, and as far as I'm concerned, this is forced entry! Try sending a robot into someone's house to kill them, and then tell the cops that it wasn't you. It's actually absurd, when you start to think about it. And I'm tired of spending all my time and money to defend myself. So anyway, I'll get off my soapbox, but for a computer based musician, this is not off topic. In fact, there are some musical things that I can't get any other way, than through the internet, and by downloading. And being part of the community of musicians through out the world, such as this list, and sometimes, almost real-time, would almost be impossible. Thanks, again, Kim, for all that you're doing! Tom -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) I'm not sure of the technical nomenclature, but I wish I did, as I have a similar situation. Sounds like you might have a host problem in your registry; invasive code gets in and redirects you to another site (usually a porn site or some sort of advertisng/spyware type of thing). In doing so, it inserts a line into your registry that does not allow you to visit the site you actually wanted; in my case, these would include Amazon and (gasp) Looper's Delight. After you've removed the offending site, a registry entry remains, so that when you subsequently try to access the site you originally wanted, your browser times out. It's related to "browser hijacking", but again, I haven't been able to find out enough about how to fix it to actually do so. :( Does anyone have a suggestion for how to fix this without wiping the whole registry/operating system/hard drive? Or at least, can someone offer a better/clearer explanation than I have so that I'll have a better clue? -t- --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >OT?: > > > >I haven't been able to get ebay to load on my > browser (Micro. Explorer) for > >a couple of weeks. Has this been happening to any > of you? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 14:46:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92IiT603523; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:44:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:44:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001601c4a8af$cb106910$d55bd618@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20041002174140.ZEVZ27403.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:44:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com << believe that what's going on here is one of the biggest invaders of our privacy in recent history, and they are getting away with it, in the name of free enterprise. >> Absolutely. Free enterprise=Mammon. There has to be checks and balances. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Rex" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: RE: (no subject) (ebay) > > Have you tried free ad-aware SE. Here's one of there add on's > > http://www.lavasoft.de/software/addons/lspexplorer.shtml > > "Layered Service Providers (LSP) are small pieces of software that can be > added or inserted into the Windows TCP/IP handler by other software. Data > outward bound from your computer to a legitimate destination on the Internet > can be intercepted by an LSP and sent somewhere other than where you intend > it to go. LSP Explorer lets you view active LSP and Name Service Providers > on your system, along with detailed information about each so you can > determine whether or not they're legitimate. Access LSP Explorer can be run > directly from the Add-ons menu. LSP Explorer works with all versions of > Ad-Aware." > > I had a lot of similar problems, that not even SPYBOT could get rid of, so I > downloaded all of ad-aware's add on's, so between the two of them, and a few > others (system mechanic, and mcAfee), I finally cleaned out the registry. > > I believe that what's going on here is one of the biggest invaders of our > privacy in recent history, and they are getting away with it, in the name of > free enterprise. I've even contacted my congress-person, and told them that > I'm in business too, and I'm for free enterprise, but for me, this is no > different than the civil rights movements of the 60's. The businesses, and > schools, etc, back then, had a right to serve, or not to serve anyone they > pleased, but the people being discriminated against had a higher right, and > the people eventually won out! Likewise, the internet businesses have a > right to market and to advertise, but once they intrude into our computers, > they've more than passed the limit of their rights. If they physically came > into our houses, there are laws to protect and defend ourselves, and to > prosecute them for forced entry, and as far as I'm concerned, this is forced > entry! Try sending a robot into someone's house to kill them, and then tell > the cops that it wasn't you. It's actually absurd, when you start to think > about it. And I'm tired of spending all my time and money to defend myself. > > So anyway, I'll get off my soapbox, but for a computer based musician, this > is not off topic. In fact, there are some musical things that I can't get > any other way, than through the internet, and by downloading. And being > part of the community of musicians through out the world, such as this list, > and sometimes, almost real-time, would almost be impossible. Thanks, again, > Kim, for all that you're doing! > > Tom > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:02 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) > > I'm not sure of the technical nomenclature, but I wish I did, as I have a > similar situation. Sounds like you might have a host problem in your > registry; invasive code gets in and redirects you to another site (usually a > porn site or some sort of advertisng/spyware type of thing). In doing so, it > inserts a line into your registry that does not allow you to visit the site > you actually wanted; in my case, these would include Amazon and (gasp) > Looper's Delight. After you've removed the offending site, a registry entry > remains, so that when you subsequently try to access the site you originally > wanted, your browser times out. > > It's related to "browser hijacking", but again, I haven't been able to find > out enough about how to fix it to actually do so. :( > > Does anyone have a suggestion for how to fix this without wiping the whole > registry/operating system/hard drive? Or at least, can someone offer a > better/clearer explanation than I have so that I'll have a better clue? > > -t- > > --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > >OT?: > > > > > >I haven't been able to get ebay to load on my > > browser (Micro. Explorer) for > > >a couple of weeks. Has this been happening to any > > of you? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 15:04:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92IvJs05151; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:57:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:57:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <415EFBF2.9070906@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:05:22 -0700 From: brian tester User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Seeking musicians: San Francisco Found Objects Festival References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there. I play in a bay area group called Axolotl. We navigate through pretty heavy electro acoustic waters. If you are still looking for a few people to perform on the objects (there's 3 of us), we would be really interested in participating. If you need a cd or what have you, I can provide. We just released an album on Psych-O-Path records, but we have lots of newer material too. If you know the fellows in Thuja they might be able to give us a recommendation. Anyway, let me know if you would like to hear some recordings. Thank you. Brian Tester 510-547-8389 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 15:32:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92JMnq09094; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:22:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:22:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410021745.i92Hjr928797@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410021745.i92Hjr928797@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D70BCCA-14A8-11D9-A79D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Digitech Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:22:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <9b1khD.A.KMC.n_vXBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That was the Digitech 2100 and 2112, the two space unit that came in a variety of faceplate colors. It also had an unadvertised ten second looping feature if you maxed it out. Someone on the list was a big advocate of the box and has posted a number of neat tricks for using it. On Oct 2, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Tim Nelson > Date: October 2, 2004 7:27:47 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Digitech > > > A few years ago in a thread on the XP-300 Space > Station, I seem to recall someone mentioning that a > lot of the XP-300's presets are the same as those > found on a particular DigiTech rackmount box. Anyone > know which one(s)? > > -t- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 16:06:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92K3Li14481; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:03:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:03:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041002200246.20155.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Balancing Volume Levels? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200410021745.i92HjqW28798@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I used a Tascam portastudio as my main keyboard mixer for many years. The good news is that it works pretty well. When I switched to a Mackie VLZ Pro, I couldn't believe how much more of the music was present in my speakers. YMMV. Using a portastudio as a mixer can't be any worse than using a (shudder) Behringer mixer... Stephen >>>Is there any reason not to use the 1/4" "headphone" out, on the Tascam? I don't think I have the right type of cable for it's other out. Will the Tascam (4-track recorder) add any noise or other bad stuff, if I use it as a mixer instead of getting a real one?<<< __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 16:19:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92KCY115831; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:12:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:12:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041002125827.06ef6528@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:11:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) In-Reply-To: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 04:01 AM 10/2/2004, Tim Nelson wrote: >I'm not sure of the technical nomenclature, but I wish >I did, as I have a similar situation. Sounds like you >might have a host problem in your registry; invasive >code gets in and redirects you to another site >(usually a porn site or some sort of >advertisng/spyware type of thing). In doing so, it >inserts a line into your registry that does not allow >you to visit the site you actually wanted; I had that problem and finally discovered it was a malicious "browser helper object" that some evil site had managed to put on my machine. I have no idea how, since I'm extremely careful about these things. It was hijacking all my google searches. Neither Ad-aware or Spybot-Search & Destroy will find that. (although those two are very good at dealing with other spyware problems.) I used a program called BHODemon available from http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ to find and fix it. These days I run all three regularly to deal with this nightmare. I also complain to my congress-people regularly about this. It is really aggravating to know I spend a lot of time creating a website and making it popular, only to have some dickhead's adware hijack it from the people trying to visit. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 17:46:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92LdHD23589; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:39:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:39:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041002143519.017b1cf8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 14:38:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041002125827.06ef6528@loopers-delight.com> References: <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> <20041002110158.48615.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com oh - BHO - here's more info about a particularly nasty one: http://www.silentrunners.org/sr_cwsremoval.html And I recommend using Mozilla Firefox instead of IE to anyone on Windows. At 01:11 PM 2004.10.02, Kim Flint wrote: >At 04:01 AM 10/2/2004, Tim Nelson wrote: >>I'm not sure of the technical nomenclature, but I wish >>I did, as I have a similar situation. Sounds like you >>might have a host problem in your registry; invasive >>code gets in and redirects you to another site >>(usually a porn site or some sort of >>advertisng/spyware type of thing). In doing so, it >>inserts a line into your registry that does not allow >>you to visit the site you actually wanted; > >I had that problem and finally discovered it was a malicious "browser >helper object" that some evil site had managed to put on my machine. I >have no idea how, since I'm extremely careful about these things. It was >hijacking all my google searches. Neither Ad-aware or Spybot-Search & >Destroy will find that. (although those two are very good at dealing with >other spyware problems.) I used a program called BHODemon available from >http://www.definitivesolutions.com/ to find and fix it. These days I run >all three regularly to deal with this nightmare. > >I also complain to my congress-people regularly about this. It is really >aggravating to know I spend a lot of time creating a website and making it >popular, only to have some dickhead's adware hijack it from the people >trying to visit. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 19:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92NdSZ06048; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:39:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:39:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 01:41:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c4a8d9$50628520$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20041002200246.20155.qmail@web41012.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm slowly getting tired of people using the Behringer brand name like it was a mixture of Josef Stalin and French carmakers. Yes, I do understand that it is cool to despise Behringer, but just like with Microsoft, there are fine products on the market. Yes, they do steal ideas from other manufacturers (like the Alt 3/4 button from Mackie), but hey, that's business, if you don't like it, move to Cuba or resurrect the GDR or something. I do also understand that there are some quality problems, both with regard to reliability and to consistent quality, but finally, you get what you pay for. And sometimes, in comparison to what other manufacturers offer, you get more. Behringer was the first manufacturer to offer acceptable compressors at an affordable price. And Behringer also has some high quality and/or highly innovative products in its product line. There are some devices which are really crap. Some of the super-cheap mixers come to mind. The mastering processors (for my taste) simply do not sound nice or are simply useless. But then, the foremetioned Composer is still an excellent product. I don't need to mention their FCB1010 foot controller here. I do like the layout of my MX2642(A) mixer (I have two of them, and both in heavy use), and I like the user interface and the audio qualities. Their DX3216 digital console offers really outstanding EQs and effects, and using state of the art software solutions, I've still not been able to replicate the excellent sound of some of my rough mixes done with this very console. And if anybody is interested: Way back, I replaced the integrated mixer of my Fostex multitrack (which back then was the best integrated fourtrack on the market, also superior to all portastudio products) with my first MX2642, and so I think I am authorized to say that, yes, using a portastudio is far worse than using a Behringer mixer. Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: Samstag, 2. Oktober 2004 22:03 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Balancing Volume Levels? > > > > I used a Tascam portastudio as my main keyboard mixer > for many years. The good news is that > it works pretty well. When I switched to a Mackie VLZ Pro, I > couldn't believe how much more of > the music was present in my speakers. YMMV. Using a > portastudio as a mixer can't be any worse > than using a (shudder) Behringer mixer... > > Stephen > > > >>>Is there any reason not to use the 1/4" "headphone" > out, on the Tascam? > I don't think I have the right type of cable for it's other > out. Will the > Tascam (4-track recorder) add any noise or other bad stuff, > if I use it as a > mixer instead of getting a real one?<<< > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 19:47:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92NZWb05275; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:35:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:35:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041002233502.84423.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digitech To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5D70BCCA-14A8-11D9-A79D-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Heh, now that you mention it, I think I remember in the original thread someone made the joke about everything one plays though a 2112 coming out sounding like mid-70's Alex Lifeson. :P Thanks, -t- --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > That was the Digitech 2100 and 2112... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 19:52:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92Niqt07024; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:44:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:44:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041002234436.26712.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041002125827.06ef6528@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmmm, I'm also using Spybot, AdAware, BHBlaster and Powerwash, plus regular virus scans and I thought that had it covered, but obviously it doesn't. I'm going to DL both BHODemon and the other one that was suggested! Yeah, it sucks having a slowly growing list of places I can't get to from here. LD was one of the first to go, about 2 or 3 years ago! Apart from running up the hit total to impress potential advertisers, I've never understood the logic behind hijacks and popups. "Let's see, if we annoy the hell out of someone, I think they'd be MUCH more likely to do business with our client. Yeah, that's it!" -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 2 20:03:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i92Nubm08996; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:56:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:56:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041002235612.84455.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:56:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041002234436.26712.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com After reading the rest of my mailbox, I'll add that I'm also using Hijack This AND a Behringer MX2642A. (It just seems to have way more aux outs than my Portastudio does!) I've never A/B'ed it next to the Spirit Folio it replaced, but it doesn't seem any noisier. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 00:34:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i934WDp07244; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:32:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 00:32:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c4a903$cd51c260$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <20041002234436.26712.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:45:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <3PbkSB.A.iwB.sC4XBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com fwiw: I installed Mozilla Firefox, and can now get eBay (Internet Explorer had stopped taking me there)! Easy installation, quick download. Maybe I'll just use it for eBay, and play it safe? Dav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:44 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) > Hmmm, I'm also using Spybot, AdAware, BHBlaster and > Powerwash, plus regular virus scans and I thought that > had it covered, but obviously it doesn't. I'm going to > DL both BHODemon and the other one that was suggested! > > Yeah, it sucks having a slowly growing list of places > I can't get to from here. LD was one of the first to > go, about 2 or 3 years ago! > > Apart from running up the hit total to impress > potential advertisers, I've never understood the logic > behind hijacks and popups. "Let's see, if we annoy the > hell out of someone, I think they'd be MUCH more > likely to do business with our client. Yeah, that's > it!" > > -t- > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 06:27:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93AO9L08246; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:24:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:24:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <284A5AC4-1526-11D9-B187-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Laptop live-looping in Numerology Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:22:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi list, I'm pasting in this discussion from the Numerology list, if someone here is interested in laptop set-ups for audio live-looping. I also tried Live 4 but actually found Numerology to fit my needs better. Many of the features described below in the "long version" was simply not possible to achieve in Live, or they came with too disturbing side effects. For ages I have been longing for a "meta instrument" that would let me record and manipulate many loops at the same time. Thanks to the new audio functionality of Numerology (for OS X) I have managed to achieve this. To begin with only in a rudimentary form, but now when the system is defined it can grow and improve. First, here's a short demo sound clip of plugging a guitar into the powerbook and tap dancing over the FCB1010: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Numerology_Augustus_Looping.mp3 Short version: > It's basically three instances of the AU plug-in Augustus Loop, > transposed and manipulated in real-time from a Behringer FCB midi foot > pedal. Twelve Numerology Group pre-sets bring the looping set-up into > different "modes" for certain tasks or for instant transposing of all > loops to match chord/key changes. A number of control sequencers run > the filter cut-off built into the looping plug-ins. Midi expression > pedals can change Gate Division of those cut-off sequencers while the > thing is making noise. Long version: Theoretically it's about four main functions. 1) Running multiple audio loops (here three simultaneous loops) and being able to overdub audio input by using midi foot pedals. 2) Changing the length, or direction, of loops while they are spinning (creating poly rhythm). 3) Globally groove quantized "dynamic gating" of each individual loops output. Changing the "beat sync" while loops are spinning (here done by Clock Division of the sequencers that control each loops filter cut-off). 4) Transforming pitch of ALL LOOPS by just ONE COMMAND (midi foot pedal). Pre-sets of loop pitch transformations that match most chords/keys (here done by Group Preset) I chose the plug-in Augustus Loop because that's the only AU I know that has a "hold" function, in Augustus called "Freeze Loop". The Lexicon PSP 42 would also do fine, but it's not available as AU and it does not have a Reverse Loop function. Typically both plug-ins were not originally designed for live looping, rather as a "tape delay emulation". That's the background to the "tape scratch" sound of Augustus every time you mess with the virtual tape. This can be a bit annoying when you run many simultaneous loops and change their pitch all at the same time. I hope developer OS will make this cool sound an option in future versions of Augustus Loop (don't take it away, please! Just make it optional). Now for the audio part: Playing the instrument on the Numerology "audio input", running three looping plug-ins in groups/channels set to Aux 1, 2 and 3 as the audio input. Also an Apple Matrix reverb in one group with Aux 4 as input. External audio input channel sending all aux's to distribute audio into the loopers and the reverb. The three loopers also sending aux 4 to reverb. A fifth Group/channel has an iDrum plug-in. The direct input, the three looping channels and the iDrum all have one compressor each, Neodynium by Elemental Audio Systems. Drumming: As this is the pilot set-up I have not bothered to create drum sequences in Numerology. Since I have now seen that it's all working fine, that will come next. There will be four sequencers with the option to manipulate the Clock Division, individually for each drum sound/sequence. Manipulation carried out either by Num's Dual LFO or from midi expression pedals. Maybe I will find good use for the Triple X Glide function here? As for now I just put the iDrum there and had a Dual LFO scroll through four different drum patterns - iDrums own patterns that is. Used control modules: I'll just go through them on a row. A great part of the hard work was to find ways to program the midi foot pedal board (Behringer FCB1010), but that's another story. Three "1010 Control Sequencer". Together with three "393 Parameter Modulation" units these sequencers handle the dynamic beat synced gating of each loopers filter cut-off. All three sequencers are set differently, like an "Elvin Jones type drummer"; never all of them hitting a punch together but rather leaving out space for each other to fit into a polyrhythmic groove. Clock division of each "dynamic gating sequencer" addressed by a midi expression pedal. Different pedal modes to get at the three loops' Clock Division one by one. For each pedal mode the second expression pedal is getting lined up to the Glide function of the Triple X that catches the midi cc input from the pedal. This means I can both manipulate groove and attack of the filter "slam". (The way to catch the midi cc input for the Glide is to use a Midi Input module and then in a Param Mod directing the Inputs cc A, cc B, and cc C to the "Glide box" targeted (No AutoScale in Param Mod used here). Now we're at the last function: transformation of pitches to match chord/key changes. Here I'm using a "141 Four Track Combo Sequencer" and addressing Loop Pitch of Augustus Loop by three "3939 Parameter Modulation" modules. The technique is to set the pitch for the three loops in the Four Track Combo Sequencer and save it as a Group Pre-set. Then set up the next combination of loop pitches and save that as another pre-set etc etc. I have ten different pre-sets for ten chords/keys to use when improvising music. Some of the chords change octave in the middle of the 16 step pattern, but only where it sounds good according to how much audio is being pitched for that particular chord and that particular loop (there are three loops in harmony, you know). Although the key changes for each pre-set the loops keep their typical arrangement: Loop 1 for bass (down one or two octaves), loop 2 as close as possible to the pitch it was recorded in and finally loop 3 one or two octaves high. I have a certain mode (two dedicated pre-sets) for recording audio into the loops. In recording mode the loops are not transposed. The same foot pedal that stops recording into one loop also transposes that loop to its working octave, when going out of recording mode. So when I need to play some notes into the bass loop I have to lift it up to the mid octave for a second. When I have punched in a note or two the loop dives down to the bass octave with that funny "tape hiss scratchy swirly" sound. A trick also possible, thanks to this arrangement, is to record into all three loops at once and then with just one press of a foot pedal freeze the three loops and distribute pitches to bass, mid and high. Other Augustus Loop parameters controlled from the FCB1010 by Numerology's Triple X and Parameter Modulation are: - Loop feedback - Freeze Loop (the "recording mode" referred to above) - Reverse Loop - Triplet I may also in the future make some pedal buttons address "Beat Devisor" of Augustus Loop. This goes from 1/1 to 1/32 and gives some funny and unpredictable result when changed while audio is looping. (maybe OS can predict what's happening there but I'm happy not understanding it completely - it just sounds cool ;-) I think that's all. This run-through is also a good back-up for me if I should loose the Numerology documents that hold this set-up. cheers per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 07:09:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93B6rQ13182; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:06:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 07:06:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8402999.1096801529283.JavaMail.toejam00@mac.com> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 04:05:29 -0700 From: toejam00@mac.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 211.124.92.95/instID=137 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is that trouble all with Windows? I never seem to have trouble like that on a mac. Perhaps macusers are just a very insignificant minority. No viruses, nothing . . . not yet anyway . . . touch wood. TJ PS: Thanks to those who responded to my cable query. I just got a really good deal on some George L. stuff. So, the only cables I'll end up having to make are the balanced cables going from my isolation boxes to the mixer, a brother sync cable and a couple others. I should be able to sort those out. As always, thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 08:33:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93CVTH22715; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:31:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:31:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008b01c4a945$36db5d40$0100a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <284A5AC4-1526-11D9-B187-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Subject: Tias plugin ALPHA-version available... Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:33:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Finally I can offer an Alpha-version to some of you guys! If you haven't done so allready, go to http://www.condomo.com/4um , register and apply for the beta-testing, then i'll just add you to the proper group and the Alpha-version will be available for you to download and test, also future betas will show up there. It's only available for windows users, sorry mac-lovers but I haven't had any money to invest in a little development-machine, and I've only tested in it Ableton Live at the moment since it exposes the parameters of the plugin for Midi-functionality (which is crucial for it to work properly) but it's been working to my satisfaction with minor quirks that need to be sorted out so now I figured that you guys should get the chance to test it! See this as a fully functional teaser of what i've been working with. ;) /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 08:38:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93CVSq22711; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:31:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:31:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041003123056.97406.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 05:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: BHO Hell (was: (no subject) (ebay)) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002b01c4a903$cd51c260$0200a8c0@audiows> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, I had hoped the suggestions offered by Kim, Tom and the rest last night would have worked, but after using Adaware (and its tweaks), Browser Homepage Blaster, Powerwash registry cleaner, Spybot, HiJack This and BHODemon, as well as using Mozilla for the past year, I still time out when I try to get to LD. I'll check out Firefox... -t- --- ".David.Auker." wrote: > fwiw: I installed Mozilla Firefox, and can now get > eBay (Internet Explorer > had stopped taking me there)! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 08:39:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93Cbvt24297; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:37:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:37:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009a01c4a946$2957eed0$0100a8c0@waggy> From: "Tias" To: References: <284A5AC4-1526-11D9-B187-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> <008b01c4a945$36db5d40$0100a8c0@waggy> Subject: Re: Tias plugin ALPHA-version available... Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:40:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Oh i forgot to reveal the name of the plugin. And the name is..... WECHO WECHO It's a funny name for a funny plugin, and it's a tribute to my girlfriends parakeet-bird that they always called "wecho wecho" because he used to say jsut that, and he also loved to echo back when people whisteled to him. So it's pretty fitting i think. =) /Tias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 11:33:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93FTe806788; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:29:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:29:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:29:10 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: new CD info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello, Sorry for off topic.. We just released Compilation CD,it called "C.U.E. COMPILATION 1" from our small label shop,C.U.E.records,Japan. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/ Details available below: English http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/cue_records_label/qcd-c1/c1_e.html Japanese http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/cue_records_label/qcd-c1/c1_j.html 14 artists joined in this time, it includes the artists from Switzerland,Italy,Holland,Belgium and Japan. 69min total by abstract,loopy,electronica,improvised,noise and experimental.. Thank you Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 11:42:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93FfG608220; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410031027.i93ARUM08967@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410031027.i93ARUM08967@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <88FAA6FF-1552-11D9-9784-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:40:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guarantee that if Behringer brought out an EDP clone for $300, you'd see the most phenomenal amount of back-pedaling on many people's part. Ditto on a Repeater clone. On Oct 3, 2004, at 3:27 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > Date: October 2, 2004 4:41:16 PM PDT > To: > Subject: RE: Balancing Volume Levels? > > > I'm slowly getting tired of people using the Behringer brand name like > it > was a mixture of Josef Stalin and French carmakers. Yes, I do > understand > that it is cool to despise Behringer, but just like with Microsoft, > there > are fine products on the market. Yes, they do steal ideas from other > manufacturers (like the Alt 3/4 button from Mackie), but hey, that's > business From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 11:53:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93Fl4I09201; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:47:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410031027.i93ARUM08967@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410031027.i93ARUM08967@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <52D30182-1553-11D9-9784-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 08:46:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am So. Tired. of hearing the platform debate, but y'all sound like a bunch of smokers complaining about lung cancer... On Oct 3, 2004, at 3:27 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:02 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: (no subject) (ebay) > > I'm not sure of the technical nomenclature, but I wish I did, as I > have a > similar situation. Sounds like you might have a host problem in your > registry; invasive code gets in and redirects you to another site > (usually a > porn site or some sort of advertisng/spyware type of thing). In doing > so, it > inserts a line into your registry that does not allow you to visit the > site > you actually wanted; in my case, these would include Amazon and (gasp) > Looper's Delight. After you've removed the offending site, a registry > entry > remains, so that when you subsequently try to access the site you > originally > wanted, your browser times out. > > It's related to "browser hijacking", but again, I haven't been able to > find > out enough about how to fix it to actually do so. :( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 12:07:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93G4q912095; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:04:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:04:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041003160315.30168.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:03:15 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Quality of Behringer Mixers. Was Re: Balancing Volume Levels? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200410031027.i93ARUk08969@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rainier wrote: <> I am very open to hearing about quality Behringer mixers. They have a quite deserved bad rap when it comes to very low quality in some of their products, most notably their low end mixers (and FCB1010 manuals). A local pro audio repair shop near me does a lot of Behringer warranty work, a lot of it comes straight from Behringer themselves. The amount of gear that goes straight into the dumpster is absolutely overwhelming. We're talking pallet load after pallet load. If they are getting compared to Joseph Stalin or French carmakers (a bit extreme IMHO) perhaps they are deserving of it? I feel that the best thing that we can do as a group of people is to steer our friends away from low quality and towards high quality. Sometimes high quality comes in very inexpensive packages, perhaps it's the physical interface alone... or the owners manual is very well thought out, or something like that. If a manufacturer is selling a product that appears to be a good deal only to have severe malfunctioning or low S/N ratios, I want to hear about it. The LD list is most useful to me when people can objectively discuss various gear, the pros and cons of UI's, sampling quality, how the gear *works* for us as opposed to against us. I have learned so much over the years of being on this list. Behringer mixers, and I am talking about the low end stuff that they produce, are not worth the money they charge unless fidelity is not important to you or your application. In my experience, Mackie is a better value for the money. And I would love to hear contrasting opinions. Like, at what point does Behringer start sounding good? How much do I have to spend before I get a reliable, relatively low noise mixer? Does Behringer actually compete with Mackie quality-wise at some price point? One of these days I may get inspired to get a better quality mixer than my two Mackies (1604 VLZ Pro and 3204). Then I'll talk about how much more of the music I'm hearing and I can't believe how long I stayed with the Mackies. :) Until then, Mackie rocks my sonic world. <> This is where your argument gets absurd. Which Fostex multitrack? Are you sure it's superior to *all* portastudio products at that time? Did you really try them all? I appreciated your post up to this point. Claiming that you are authorized to say that Fostex kicks sonic booty on *all* Tascam portastudio products of that time will not work without further backing up your words. C'mon man, you can do better than this... In sonic honesty and friendship, Stephen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 12:08:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93G7OK12530; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:07:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:07:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f041003090065e6fa4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:00:33 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BHO Hell (was: (no subject) (ebay)) In-Reply-To: <20041003123056.97406.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <002b01c4a903$cd51c260$0200a8c0@audiows> <20041003123056.97406.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3_fuc.A.mDD.0OCYBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 05:30:56 -0700 (PDT), Tim Nelson wrote: > Well, I had hoped the suggestions offered by Kim, Tom > and the rest last night would have worked, but after > using Adaware (and its tweaks), Browser Homepage > Blaster, Powerwash registry cleaner, Spybot, HiJack > This and BHODemon, as well as using Mozilla for the > past year, I still time out when I try to get to LD. > I'll check out Firefox... > > -t- Have you tried these tools under safe mode? Thats a hell of a lot of applications to run just to avoid spyware. You may have to do the ol' format / reinstall to and run mozilla exclusively next time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 12:18:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93GH2B13954; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:17:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:17:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4160238A.3020003@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 11:06:34 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology References: <284A5AC4-1526-11D9-B187-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <284A5AC4-1526-11D9-B187-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8rGXSC.A.9YD.XXCYBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, Per! I'm not laptopping it currently, but I'm planning another attempt soon, and this post highly motivates me. Your mention of wanting to find a "looping meta-instrument" really rings true with me, as well. Right now I'm having sooo much fun concentrating on my deceptively simple hardware/rack setup (w/ guitar, voice and percussion as raw material) - but this approach you've taken with Numerology sounds really powerful for live looping. Regardless, here's a sincere and big THANK YOU for posting such a comprehensive explanation of your setup. Dig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 12:49:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93Gl3v19990; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:47:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:47:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <199.2fd37194.2e9186ad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:45:33 EDT Subject: Re: OT: new CD info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.2fd37194.2e9186ad_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.2fd37194.2e9186ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/3/04 11:29:36 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes: > > http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/cue_records_label/qcd-c1/c1_e.html > sunao.....please bring me a copy of this, this friday.....thanks.....michael --part1_199.2fd37194.2e9186ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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sunao.....please bring me a copy of this, this friday.....thanks.....michael=
--part1_199.2fd37194.2e9186ad_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 13:23:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93HGCH23316; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:16:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 13:16:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Washington state): Travis Hartnett + new soundfiles Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:15:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <3rV5tD.A.wrF.GPDYBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That Endless Highway calls to me, with a pair of non-Seattle acoustic guitar Live Looping shows this week: *Oct. 8, Friday, 8-10PM Flipside Coffeehouse (4216 6th Avenue NW., Woodinville) *Oct. 9, Saturday, 8-10PM Stuart's (1302 Bay Street, Bellingham) And, two new soundfiles on the website, from a KSER live broadcast this summer. Share and enjoy: http://www.travishartnett.com/music.html Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 14:42:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93IfC231418; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:41:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:41:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041003184052.5679.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Quality of Behringer Mixers. Was Re: Balancing Volume Levels? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041003160315.30168.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ill second this,except for the FCB1010(which seems to be pretty reliable) i havent had any good experiences with Behringer.I think the FCB1010 is probably the best product they have come up with! Luis --- S V G wrote: > > Rainier wrote: > < Behringer brand name like it > was a mixture of Josef Stalin and French > carmakers.>> > > I am very open to hearing about quality > Behringer mixers. They have a quite deserved bad > rap > when it comes to very low quality in some of their > products, most notably their low end mixers > (and FCB1010 manuals). A local pro audio repair > shop near me does a lot of Behringer warranty > work, a lot of it comes straight from Behringer > themselves. The amount of gear that goes straight > into the dumpster is absolutely overwhelming. We're > talking pallet load after pallet load. If > they are getting compared to Joseph Stalin or French > carmakers (a bit extreme IMHO) perhaps they > are deserving of it? > > I feel that the best thing that we can do as a > group of people is to steer our friends away > from low quality and towards high quality. > Sometimes high quality comes in very inexpensive > packages, perhaps it's the physical interface > alone... or the owners manual is very well thought > out, or something like that. If a manufacturer is > selling a product that appears to be a good > deal only to have severe malfunctioning or low S/N > ratios, I want to hear about it. > > The LD list is most useful to me when people > can objectively discuss various gear, the pros > and cons of UI's, sampling quality, how the gear > *works* for us as opposed to against us. I have > learned so much over the years of being on this > list. Behringer mixers, and I am talking about > the low end stuff that they produce, are not worth > the money they charge unless fidelity is not > important to you or your application. In my > experience, Mackie is a better value for the money. > And I would love to hear contrasting opinions. > Like, at what point does Behringer start sounding > good? How much do I have to spend before I get a > reliable, relatively low noise mixer? Does > Behringer actually compete with Mackie quality-wise > at some price point? > > One of these days I may get inspired to get a > better quality mixer than my two Mackies (1604 > VLZ Pro and 3204). Then I'll talk about how much > more of the music I'm hearing and I can't > believe how long I stayed with the Mackies. :) > Until then, Mackie rocks my sonic world. > > > < the integrated mixer of > my Fostex multitrack (which back then was the best > integrated fourtrack on > the market, also superior to all portastudio > products)...>> > > This is where your argument gets absurd. Which > Fostex multitrack? Are you sure it's > superior to *all* portastudio products at that time? > Did you really try them all? I appreciated > your post up to this point. Claiming that you are > authorized to say that Fostex kicks sonic booty > on *all* Tascam portastudio products of that time > will not work without further backing up your > words. C'mon man, you can do better than this... > > In sonic honesty and friendship, > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 14:59:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93IupG00581; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:56:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:56:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410031856.i93IuZa00528@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Quality of Behringer Mixers. Was Re: Balancing Volume Levels? Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:50:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20041003184052.5679.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcSpeKmcyKowCApwS5OYwvQv2xCmcwAAQfYw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Probably and it's almost the only product of theres that isn't a clone (that I know of) -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 2:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quality of Behringer Mixers. Was Re: Balancing Volume Levels? ill second this,except for the FCB1010(which seems to be pretty reliable) i havent had any good experiences with Behringer.I think the FCB1010 is probably the best product they have come up with! Luis --- S V G wrote: > > Rainier wrote: > < like it was a mixture of Josef Stalin and French carmakers.>> > > I am very open to hearing about quality Behringer mixers. They > have a quite deserved bad rap when it comes to very low quality in > some of their products, most notably their low end mixers (and FCB1010 > manuals). A local pro audio repair shop near me does a lot of > Behringer warranty work, a lot of it comes straight from Behringer > themselves. The amount of gear that goes straight into the dumpster > is absolutely overwhelming. We're talking pallet load after pallet > load. If they are getting compared to Joseph Stalin or French > carmakers (a bit extreme IMHO) perhaps they are deserving of it? > > I feel that the best thing that we can do as a group of people is > to steer our friends away from low quality and towards high quality. > Sometimes high quality comes in very inexpensive packages, perhaps > it's the physical interface alone... or the owners manual is very well > thought out, or something like that. If a manufacturer is selling a > product that appears to be a good deal only to have severe > malfunctioning or low S/N ratios, I want to hear about it. > > The LD list is most useful to me when people can objectively > discuss various gear, the pros and cons of UI's, sampling quality, how > the gear > *works* for us as opposed to against us. I have learned so much over > the years of being on this list. Behringer mixers, and I am talking > about the low end stuff that they produce, are not worth the money > they charge unless fidelity is not important to you or your > application. In my experience, Mackie is a better value for the > money. > And I would love to hear contrasting opinions. > Like, at what point does Behringer start sounding good? How much do I > have to spend before I get a reliable, relatively low noise mixer? > Does Behringer actually compete with Mackie quality-wise at some price > point? > > One of these days I may get inspired to get a better quality > mixer than my two Mackies (1604 VLZ Pro and 3204). Then I'll talk > about how much more of the music I'm hearing and I can't believe how > long I stayed with the Mackies. :) Until then, Mackie rocks my sonic > world. > > > < mixer of my Fostex multitrack (which back then was the best integrated > fourtrack on the market, also superior to all portastudio > products)...>> > > This is where your argument gets absurd. Which Fostex > multitrack? Are you sure it's superior to *all* portastudio products > at that time? > Did you really try them all? I appreciated your post up to this > point. Claiming that you are authorized to say that Fostex kicks > sonic booty on *all* Tascam portastudio products of that time will not > work without further backing up your words. C'mon man, you can do > better than this... > > In sonic honesty and friendship, > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 15:32:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93JOle04813; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:24:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 15:24:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Landman Subject: Looping tools (still) for sale Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 12:24:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi All- Since these didn't go the first time, I'm trying them here with a lower price before going to (ugh) EBAY. Eventide H3000 D S/X with manual- $899 Lexicon Vortex with power supply, manual and Lexicon 2 button switch- $130 Both units excellent condition in operation and cosmetics, used in non-smoking studio only. Will split shipping costs with buyers. Best- Mark Landman 707 792 2715 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 17:04:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93L2TF14967; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:02:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:02:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Behringer Stuff Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:03:52 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c4a98c$7de19d70$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20041003160315.30168.qmail@web41003.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen, before I go into the details of your message, let me clarify my personal position in this discussion, to avoid any misunderstandings: I am not a professional musician. In this context: most of the time, my gear resides at home. When it travels to a concert, it does inside a comfy car, and most of the gigs (of which there have never been more than six in one year) happen in the immediate sorroundings of my home (up to 1/2h driving). My gear (including the Behringer gear) has never been subjected to airplane baggage handling, lenghty road trips in the back of a pickup trucks or other means of professional endurance/reliability/stability test. That said: > (and FCB1010 manuals). A local pro audio repair shop near me > does a lot of Behringer warranty > work, a lot of it comes straight from Behringer themselves. > The amount of gear that goes straight > into the dumpster is absolutely overwhelming. We're talking In my close to 10 years of owning Behringer gear, I once had a device break down: it was their DX3216 console, which completely failed (i.e. wouldn't boot up) about two days after I got it. The store replaced it. Apart from that, no problems. > I feel that the best thing that we can do as a group of > people is to steer our friends away > from low quality and towards high quality. [...] ...or towards products with a well-designed feature set. Again, apart from the price point, the forementioned MX2642A offers a large feature set in a comparably small package. I can install it on top of my rack, but the connector plate to the bottom of it, have inserts AND direct outs for 8 channels,... Perhaps it's just that I've been damn lucky with my Behringer gear, and my experiences are not representative for the majority of the manufactured devices, but then again, with all the other people complaining about their stuff, this makes that fact well represented here. The manuals, btw, aren't as bad in German as they are in the translations. Never had any problems with them - although their attempt to copy the Mackie lingo with some of their newer low-end products sucks. They should've stayed with their native prussian style... Perhaps I have to add that I do not have experience with their super-cheap mixers. A guy from my Eclectic Blah ensemble has one which seems to suck ass. Apart from that, my personal ratings (for the devices on which I have a detailed opinion): DX3216 + ADAT Interface: outstanding product! the dynamic and EQ sections really sound great (my personal opinion). MX2642(A): the A variant has been a huge improvement over its predecessor. There are some flaws which make it cumbersome for some applications (like the lack of XLR outputs), but for the application for which I use it it is nearly perfect. FCB1010: well, as if there were any serious competition... Composer: this is basically the product which established Behringer. And still a good product if you do not want to spend astronomical amounts of money on an analogue dynamics processor. 2024P Virtualizer: some of the algorithms are fine (some of the artificial reverb spaces, the crap vocal algorithms (don't know what they are called), some are unusable (the Leslie, the amp simulators). A pity it has only a two-space LED as a display, otherwise, the UI is well designed hardware-wise, although with some flaws in the implementation in the software. Ultramizer: crap. But then again, you get what you pay for (which was something like ?100 new a decade ago). Patchbays: don't seem that reliable. I have been using them in a "patch very often" kind of setup, and I expect some of the sockets to fail in the future. But then again, I don't use patchbays anymore. > [my Fostex] > > This is where your argument gets absurd. Which Fostex > multitrack? Are you sure it's > superior to *all* portastudio products at that time? Did you > really try them all? I appreciated The device was called Fostex 280, and I got it 'round '90. At that time, I checked the various available products (I think it was Tascam, Yamaha and Fostex which made integrated multitrackers with mixer and multitrack cassette recorder) by their specification and then tested the few in the "upper middle class". I didn't do a proper technical analysis (meaning carrying a specrum analyzer or noise figure meter into the store), but I A/Bd them and the Fostex came out best. Some years after that ('95?), I got my MX2642 and found out that, yes, it was a vast improvement. Hence my conclusion that it is in fact superior to the portastudios of the '90 time. Note that the Tascam 6xx series hadn't been released back then. Rainer ps: yes, I also do have a Mackie... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 17:22:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93LJeN17586; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:19:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:19:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410031859.i93Ix2Z01237@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410031859.i93Ix2Z01237@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:19:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per wrote: > emulation". That's the background to the "tape scratch" sound of > Augustus every time you mess with the virtual tape. This can be a bit > annoying when you run many simultaneous loops and change their pitch > all at the same time. I hope developer OS will make this cool sound an > option in future versions of Augustus Loop (don't take it away, please! > Just make it optional). sure, it's on my list! (to be clear, for those not familiar with Augustus Loop, you can change the settings to avoid tape 'artefacts' when changing pitch - it's changing the delay time on the fly that currently gives you the unavoidable effects.) I'm always happy to hear from anyone with suggestions for changes & features - drop me a mail or leave a note on my website forum. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 17:52:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93LmmX21247; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:48:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <200410031859.i93Ix2Z01237@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology (Augustus Loop) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:47:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 3, 2004, at 23:19, Os wrote: > (to be clear, for those not familiar with Augustus Loop, you can > change the settings to avoid tape 'artefacts' when changing pitch - > it's changing the delay time on the fly that currently gives you the > unavoidable effects.) Where do you change that? (Are you referring to using "midi notes over midi channel 2" to change the pitch?) BTW thanks for the excellent plug-in! It's really cool :-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.boysen.se http://www.looproom.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 3 19:22:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i93NEHG29008; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:14:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:14:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <005a01c4a99d$b009ac00$1ca0fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: , References: <000701c4a98c$7de19d70$0601a8c0@SATAN> Subject: Re: Behringer Stuff Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 00:59:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all, the other Stephen speaking here, as for Behringer stuff, I must point one thing out before I comment on their products. I used to do some freelance translation work for Behringer a couple of years ago, and I wasn´t treated very kindly after all. I have the impression this company is good at borrowing other peoples´ ideas rather than come up with something totally their own design but this is not to be discussed here. I don´t like most of their products as they tend to work rather poorly. I once had their two-channel denoiser which was based on the RSP Hush 2000 design, and while the Hush is almost unnoticeable when properly adjusted, the Behringer was pumping the shit out of hell. Their Virtualizer reverb had the drawback of being impossible to program, and telling from the reverbs I got out of it, it wasn´t worth the effort anyway (my Hammond spring reverb in my modded ARP 2600 sounded more impressive). Yet, there is one product I can only recommend to buy. It´s their now discontinued MX 2642A mixing desk. Basically a 16 channel (8 mono, 8 stereo) mixer with six aux paths, four groups, four stereo returns and additional two track input. I have never ever seen such a neat design packed into 19" (8U). As I use a lot of looping units and a lot of treatments live and in the studio, the many routing options of the 2642 are just wonderful to have and beautifully laid out. The sound of it can be a hassle, though. Stay away from the early designs which usually come in a dark grey livery (some revisions didn´t even have proper EQs and input level controls for the stereo sections). These units have poor input preamps and they sound as if there were pillows right in front of your speakers (there´s a clear loss in treble response above seven or eight kHz). If you get one of the latest revisions (which come in bright silver livery), they sound fantastic (I did a lot of recordings with mine, and I impressed some sound engineers who are using really big consoles by really big names... and I mean big). Crystal-clear response, decent preamps, good-sounding EQs, very low noise floor, at a very decent price (they were blown out at 300 Euros a piece when the production ceased). I have mine mounted in an L-rack (10U/10U) which I use for both studio and live work I have never toured execessively with it, though, thus I can´t say anything about roadworthiness but it has stood up all major hassles well so far. Mind you, I am not a Behringer endorser, by any means. Stephen. BTW (for the record): I was fired because I did the translation for the owner´s manual of one of their smaller mixers from German into Dutch, in close collaboration with a colleague from Holland who did all he proof-reading and stuff... one of their Dutch employees was of the opinion that this job was obviously done by a Mof and therefore not as properly as one of his countrymates would have done it... no further comments. Now go figure why their English manuals are so bad... they do all translation themselves. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Behringer Stuff > Stephen, > > before I go into the details of your message, let me clarify my personal > position in this discussion, to avoid any misunderstandings: > > I am not a professional musician. In this context: most of the time, my gear > resides at home. When it travels to a concert, it does inside a comfy car, > and most of the gigs (of which there have never been more than six in one > year) happen in the immediate sorroundings of my home (up to 1/2h driving). > My gear (including the Behringer gear) has never been subjected to airplane > baggage handling, lenghty road trips in the back of a pickup trucks or other > means of professional endurance/reliability/stability test. That said: > > > (and FCB1010 manuals). A local pro audio repair shop near me > > does a lot of Behringer warranty > > work, a lot of it comes straight from Behringer themselves. > > The amount of gear that goes straight > > into the dumpster is absolutely overwhelming. We're talking > > In my close to 10 years of owning Behringer gear, I once had a device break > down: it was their DX3216 console, which completely failed (i.e. wouldn't > boot up) about two days after I got it. The store replaced it. Apart from > that, no problems. > > > > I feel that the best thing that we can do as a group of > > people is to steer our friends away > > from low quality and towards high quality. [...] > > ...or towards products with a well-designed feature set. Again, apart from > the price point, the forementioned MX2642A offers a large feature set in a > comparably small package. I can install it on top of my rack, but the > connector plate to the bottom of it, have inserts AND direct outs for 8 > channels,... Perhaps it's just that I've been damn lucky with my Behringer > gear, and my experiences are not representative for the majority of the > manufactured devices, but then again, with all the other people complaining > about their stuff, this makes that fact well represented here. > > The manuals, btw, aren't as bad in German as they are in the translations. > Never had any problems with them - although their attempt to copy the Mackie > lingo with some of their newer low-end products sucks. They should've stayed > with their native prussian style... > > Perhaps I have to add that I do not have experience with their super-cheap > mixers. A guy from my Eclectic Blah ensemble has one which seems to suck > ass. Apart from that, my personal ratings (for the devices on which I have a > detailed opinion): > > DX3216 + ADAT Interface: outstanding product! the dynamic and EQ sections > really sound great (my personal opinion). > MX2642(A): the A variant has been a huge improvement over its predecessor. > There are some flaws which make it cumbersome for some applications (like > the lack of XLR outputs), but for the application for which I use it it is > nearly perfect. > FCB1010: well, as if there were any serious competition... > Composer: this is basically the product which established Behringer. And > still a good product if you do not want to spend astronomical amounts of > money on an analogue dynamics processor. > 2024P Virtualizer: some of the algorithms are fine (some of the artificial > reverb spaces, the crap vocal algorithms (don't know what they are called), > some are unusable (the Leslie, the amp simulators). A pity it has only a > two-space LED as a display, otherwise, the UI is well designed > hardware-wise, although with some flaws in the implementation in the > software. > Ultramizer: crap. But then again, you get what you pay for (which was > something like ?100 new a decade ago). > Patchbays: don't seem that reliable. I have been using them in a "patch very > often" kind of setup, and I expect some of the sockets to fail in the > future. But then again, I don't use patchbays anymore. > > > [my Fostex] > > > > This is where your argument gets absurd. Which Fostex > > multitrack? Are you sure it's > > superior to *all* portastudio products at that time? Did you > > really try them all? I appreciated > > The device was called Fostex 280, and I got it 'round '90. At that time, I > checked the various available products (I think it was Tascam, Yamaha and > Fostex which made integrated multitrackers with mixer and multitrack > cassette recorder) by their specification and then tested the few in the > "upper middle class". I didn't do a proper technical analysis (meaning > carrying a specrum analyzer or noise figure meter into the store), but I > A/Bd them and the Fostex came out best. Some years after that ('95?), I got > my MX2642 and found out that, yes, it was a vast improvement. Hence my > conclusion that it is in fact superior to the portastudios of the '90 time. > Note that the Tascam 6xx series hadn't been released back then. > > Rainer > > ps: yes, I also do have a Mackie... > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de > The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de > digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de > Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 4 08:42:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i94CeE006063; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:40:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:40:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.41] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: making my footpedal Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:37:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2004 12:38:03.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDA96E20:01C4AA0E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Hi all

I know this is probably a bad time for long tech questions given that many of you will be jetting off to the loopstock fest (sob sob cant go) BUT  i just wanted to get some other heads togeather over the building of my replacement for the FC-7 for the EDP.

 

Basically I have envisioned a pedal with the usual 7 buttons but this time in two rows with nice line 6 type metal buttons.

I then thought I could add a eighth button that links to another jack that will go to the overdub jack of the edp and be momentary (is this possible, i.e. to have regular stomp ON stomp OFF overdub throught the regular Footpeadal jack and a momentary type non latching one going to the overdub jack.????)

Am I right in thinking that if this can be done, then this second overdub switch should be a          0 Ohms  resistor and a non latching switch????

I then also wanted to add a rotary pot as a dial on the side of the unit , this will be linked to another jack and cabled to the EDP feedback pedal IN.

I know there is a lot of info on the looper_delight website regards building, however when i go to my electronics store they ask me questions that i dont know.

for instance, some of the resistor Ohms ratings are very specific, my local dealer only seems so stock "regular" near values , will these work.

also the guide says that i need 1% metal film, i can get this but there seems to be lots of differant ratings 0.25 , 5 etc anyonw know which i need?

also when buying the jacks for putting the cables in, is there any specifi type? there seem to be some with more arm type things then others....

 

basically if anyone can see more or less where i am going with this any thinks they can give me a list of excactly what i need, i will be forever in their debt.

 

cheers

Phill Wilson 



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 4 11:13:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i94F0Mv21028; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:00:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:00:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:01:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mentions WD-40: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200009/msg004 96.html?line=51#hilite Mentions WD-60 ? Probably meant WD-40, right? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00285.html >From this list: http://www.twbc.org/wd40.htm it seems that WD-40 might be useful for cleaning/removing moist from electric contacts. Anyone experienced with WD-40's use to clean the contacts of the EFC-7 (plain old foodpedal that comes with the EDP) ? Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 4 19:39:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i94NUAo16566; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:30:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:30:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:31:55 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Forwarding to protect others from similarly devious thoughts... > -----Original Message----- > From: dirt [mailto: asked to be kept private due to spam] > Sent: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2004 00:49 > To: Bernhard Wagner > Subject: Re: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 > > > Hello Bernhard - > > Not recommended. WD-40 may work in an emergency if you don't have > anything better, but it leaves an oily residue which attracts/captures > dirt. "Repeat often" use (necessitated with having an oily film inside > hanging onto any dust it comes in contact with) will eventually gum > things up and affect the switch resistance values the EFC-7 depends upon > to work reliably. It's MUCH better to spend a buck or two more atta > Radio Snack for a residue-free elecTRONIC* contact cleaner that's made > specifically for this sort of thing. [*do NOT use anything labeled as an > elecTRIC contact cleaner commonly found in automotive sections - can > soften or dissolve the button-switch plastic] > > Best to only use WD-40 on stuff where a little bit of extra resistance > doesn't matter (like big ol' motor relays or the insides of of an old > car's water-wetted distributor cap during a heavy rain). > > Cerulean - d > > > Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > > > Mentions WD-40: > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200 009/msg004 > 96.html?line=51#hilite > > Mentions WD-60 ? Probably meant WD-40, right? > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00285.html > > >From this list: > http://www.twbc.org/wd40.htm > it seems that WD-40 might be useful for cleaning/removing moist from > electric contacts. > > Anyone experienced with WD-40's use to clean the contacts of the EFC-7 > (plain old foodpedal that comes with the EDP) ? > > Thank you > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 00:56:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i954rXE16856; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:53:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:53:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Looping and Meditative States, etc Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:51:36 -0600 Message-ID: <002601c4aa97$01f53fd0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Mathias' request, in order to spawn some non-gear like discussion. :) Of particular interest to loopers might be the possibility of looping oneself into a meditative state, as I allude to below. Aside from this, I also find looping very relaxing and cathartic. It is focused, yet liberating. Though I'm not sure I could achieve this if I were performing pre-arranged material at my shows. 90% of what I do (live and recorded on CD) is free, spontaneous composition, which I think contributes to the mental state it achieves for me. At every performance, I always feel a bit of healthy creative anxiety, having no knowledge of what I'll be playing throughout the night. I think I am addicted to that creative anticipation. It's even different than the anticipation before improvising a solo over pre-arranged changes. This is all built from ground zero. Any other experiences like this from the rest of you? Are any of you attending Looper's Anonymous? Do you wake up in the middle of the night with the cold sweats, aching for just one quick loop fix? Heh heh.... >It's like looping is some sort of mind-altering opiate or something. One can easily lose all conception of space and time. > >Krispen Mathias asked: Do you do it for the drug effect? Krispen's response: It's just one of many reasons why I play music; I've been playing music since I was 9 years old (28 years)....it's my expressive outlet Mathias asked: Can you reach the same state without loops? Krispen's response: Most definitely...anytime I improvise or engage in spontaneous composition; especially in this group, "Hume's Fork", several years ago: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?bandid=178936&bandnamesave =humesfork Mathias asked: Is this useful? Krispen's response: It is for me. :) Mathias asked: Where do you think you are, when you "zone out" ? Krispen's response: Not sure, but it's probably similar to meditation, which is open for interpretation Mathias asked: Can you take the public with you? Krispen's response: Sometimes, but since I can't read their minds, I rely on their verbal responses. Mathias comments: I also have the problem that I hope to feel the public when I am zoned out, but when I come back, I often must admit I did not. Mathias asked: Once the public zones out, does it matter how the stage looks? Krispen's response: Probably not, but getting folks to zone out is a hit or miss thing...not science, but an inconsistent art. Mathias comments: Ok, so you the stage visual serves for the part of the public that does not really understand the show? :-) ********************************* Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 02:00:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i955mf422229; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 01:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041005054714.76713.qmail@web41013.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200410050456.i954urI17873@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Do not under any circumstances use a lubricant like WD-40 on electrical contacts. I learned this the hard way one day when I tried to clean the contacts in my electronic organ. I ended up throwing the thing away. Caig Laboratories makes a spray called De-Oxit, which is specifically an electronic contact cleaner. About $10 or $15 a can in the U.S. Stephen Anyone experienced with WD-40's use to clean the contacts of the EFC-7 (plain old foodpedal that comes with the EDP) ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 02:17:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95688124384; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 02:08:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 02:08:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200410050456.i954uri17871@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410050456.i954uri17871@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Per Boysen From: Os Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology (Augustus Loop) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:06:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You want the 'inertia' control. zero inertia gives you instantaneous pitch change. cheers, os. On 5 Oct 2004, at 05:56, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: >> (to be clear, for those not familiar with Augustus Loop, you can >> change the settings to avoid tape 'artefacts' when changing pitch - >> it's changing the delay time on the fly that currently gives you the >> unavoidable effects.) > > Where do you change that? > (Are you referring to using "midi notes over midi channel 2" to > change the pitch?) > > BTW thanks for the excellent plug-in! It's really cool :-) > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 10:41:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95EaXm12544; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:36:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:36:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: Y2K4 venue addresses Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 07:33:30 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c4aae8$491e17a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4AAAD.9CBF3FA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4AAAD.9CBF3FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick, Could you please provide addresses for the various venues for the festival this weekend? I'll be doing a Mapquest or Yahoo maps search to get directions, and I'm sure others may be doing the same. See you on Friday, all! Despite Rick's badgering (haha.kidding), I will be an audience member rather than a performer this year. I hope you all have a great time and enjoyable performances. Best, Rich SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th Question Mark Gallery, Santa Cruz 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th The RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4AAAD.9CBF3FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Check out "Line 6 - Tonecore"

Rick,

Could you please provide addresses for the various venues for the festival = this weekend?

I’ll be doing a Mapquest or Yahoo maps search to = get directions, and I’m sure others may be doing the = same.

 

See you on Friday, all!  = Despite Rick’s badgering (haha…kidding), I will be an = audience member rather than a performer this year.  I hope you all have a great time and enjoyable = performances…

 

Best,

Rich

 

 

 

 

 

SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th

Question Mark Gallery,   = Santa Cruz

 

 8:00 Michael Klobuchar  = (USA)*

9:00  Bernhard Wagner = (Switzerland)*

10:00 Sunao Inami = (Japan)*

 

MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and = 10th

 

The RESONANT CHURCH,  = Santa = Cruz

 

------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4AAAD.9CBF3FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 11:09:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95F2DR15730; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:02:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:02:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Y2K4 venue addresses Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:03:06 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <000901c4aae8$491e17a0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <9h03DB.A.MzD.PcrYBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com See http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 (look for links named "mapquest" and "yahoo map") (and thank you for the hint ;-) Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: the toy room [mailto:thetoyroom@comcast.net] Sent: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2004 16:34 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K4 venue addresses Rick, Could you please provide addresses for the various venues for the festival this weekend? I'll be doing a Mapquest or Yahoo maps search to get directions, and I'm sure others may be doing the same. See you on Friday, all! Despite Rick's badgering (haha.kidding), I will be an audience member rather than a performer this year. I hope you all have a great time and enjoyable performances. Best, Rich SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th Question Mark Gallery, Santa Cruz 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th The RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 11:31:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95FQDA19568; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:26:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:26:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041005152549.83472.qmail@web21324.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:25:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I know the original discussion was about simple switches, which wouldn't have this problem, but to add to this warning, I've also seen WD40 dissolve resistive traces on slider pots. Rendered the formerly scratchy pot completely useless. As stated, electronic contact cleaner is the best. My favorite is DeoxIT from Caig Labs. Their CaiLube produce is also very useful for slider resistors (like in cheap mixers), since it's not corrosive and adds some lubricant. Back to WD40, I worked on a Mackie mixer awhile back where the owner had cleaned the face of it with WD40 (between the knobs and stuff). He thought it was cool, like using ArmorAll on your car or something. Exactly like Bernhard's advisor said, the junk gooked up and attracted dust. This thing looked like it was growing fur! (or mold...) Repeated cleanings with degreasers still didn't get rid of all the residue. This is seriously NASTY stuff! Use it to lube your squeeky door hinges, keep it AWAY from your electronics!!! Greg --- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > Forwarding to protect others from similarly devious thoughts... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dirt [mailto: asked to be kept private due to spam] > > Sent: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2004 00:49 > > To: Bernhard Wagner > > Subject: Re: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 > > > > > > Hello Bernhard - > > > > Not recommended. WD-40 may work in an emergency if you don't have > > anything better, but it leaves an oily residue which attracts/captures > > dirt. "Repeat often" use (necessitated with having an oily film inside > > hanging onto any dust it comes in contact with) will eventually gum > > things up and affect the switch resistance values the EFC-7 depends upon > > to work reliably. It's MUCH better to spend a buck or two more atta > > Radio Snack for a residue-free elecTRONIC* contact cleaner that's made > > specifically for this sort of thing. [*do NOT use anything labeled as an > > elecTRIC contact cleaner commonly found in automotive sections - can > > soften or dissolve the button-switch plastic] > > > > Best to only use WD-40 on stuff where a little bit of extra resistance > > doesn't matter (like big ol' motor relays or the insides of of an old > > car's water-wetted distributor cap during a heavy rain). > > > > Cerulean - d > > > > > > Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > > > > > Mentions WD-40: > > > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200 > 009/msg004 > > 96.html?line=51#hilite > > > > Mentions WD-60 ? Probably meant WD-40, right? > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00285.html > > > > >From this list: > > http://www.twbc.org/wd40.htm > > it seems that WD-40 might be useful for cleaning/removing moist from > > electric contacts. > > > > Anyone experienced with WD-40's use to clean the contacts of the EFC-7 > > (plain old foodpedal that comes with the EDP) ? > > > > Thank you > > Bernhard > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 12:34:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95G4Rn24968; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:04:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:04:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.40] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping and Meditative States, etc Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:01:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2004 16:02:11.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC24C6D0:01C4AAF4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Seeing as i have been one of the "gear heavy" perps this month i will take a stab at this discussion and say.......

MOST DEFFINATLY i love the thrill of just improrvising freely and seeing what comes out of my hands and feet!! to me it rreally is magic cos i know no thory other then little things i have found for myself that are probably theory to someone else. 

 althought I use a lot of pre-learnt songs for my gigs cos really, thats what people want round here, no one will follow someone whos songs they cant learn, but they will go down the same pub to hear the same act week in week out if they can sing along.i digress. however ALL my "songs" where once improvisations, that i thankfully managed to remember or tape and recreate, and hone till they where  repeatable,

to my audiance the buzz is in the sing-along actor , to my the buzz is sometimes in the perfect recreation of a challenging loop, but mainly in the ongoing improvisations that will lead to permenant songs in my act in a years time!!!

its fair to say that i do often come in from a club and know i shoud go to bed but find i must just plug in for a twenty minute loop (actualy its funny cos its taken over the role thart my games console used to have, ie a bit of mental dexterity before bed, kind of like cooling down after excercise but mentally) then im ready to sleep, UNLESS something really good happens, i which case im banging round the house at four in the morning looking for pens, papr, recorders tapes and all the other stuff to capture the thing that has just hapened any may be lost forever if i dont get it down tonight!!! (actually to this end i would recomend to anyone a cheap camcorder to video your practice, then you can look back and see what yu where doing, hear your loop nd your voice so you can shout C..G....Am as you go along)

im actually thinking of doing a little bit at my next show (sat) where i ask a member of the audicance to tap out a simple rythem on the table while i match it an feed it into the loop, i will then try ot make a song for them, this will be pretty seat of pants for me so i will wrtie back how it went!!

well hope that was all fun and insightful!!! think i actually zoned out whilst writing about looping, maybe for a future discussion

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 12:46:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95GeG930676; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:40:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:40:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:40:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20041005152549.83472.qmail@web21324.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Guys, I'm really glad you told me. I was pointing the intimidating WD40-gun at the EFC-7 knobs who were shaking with fear, which made me stop and ask the list of lists for advice. Thank you! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg House [mailto:ghunicycle@yahoo.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2004 17:26 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 > > > I know the original discussion was about simple switches, which > wouldn't have > this problem, but to add to this warning, I've also seen WD40 > dissolve resistive > traces on slider pots. Rendered the formerly scratchy pot > completely useless. > > As stated, electronic contact cleaner is the best. My favorite is > DeoxIT from > Caig Labs. Their CaiLube produce is also very useful for slider > resistors (like > in cheap mixers), since it's not corrosive and adds some lubricant. > > Back to WD40, I worked on a Mackie mixer awhile back where the > owner had cleaned > the face of it with WD40 (between the knobs and stuff). He > thought it was cool, > like using ArmorAll on your car or something. Exactly like > Bernhard's advisor > said, the junk gooked up and attracted dust. This thing looked like it was > growing fur! (or mold...) Repeated cleanings with degreasers > still didn't get rid > of all the residue. > > This is seriously NASTY stuff! Use it to lube your squeeky door > hinges, keep it > AWAY from your electronics!!! > > Greg > > > > --- Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > > Forwarding to protect others from similarly devious thoughts... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dirt [mailto: asked to be kept private due to spam] > > > Sent: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2004 00:49 > > > To: Bernhard Wagner > > > Subject: Re: WD-40 & EDP Pedal EFC-7 > > > > > > > > > Hello Bernhard - > > > > > > Not recommended. WD-40 may work in an emergency if you don't have > > > anything better, but it leaves an oily residue which attracts/captures > > > dirt. "Repeat often" use (necessitated with having an oily > film inside > > > hanging onto any dust it comes in contact with) will eventually gum > > > things up and affect the switch resistance values the EFC-7 > depends upon > > > to work reliably. It's MUCH better to spend a buck or two more atta > > > Radio Snack for a residue-free elecTRONIC* contact cleaner that's made > > > specifically for this sort of thing. [*do NOT use anything > labeled as an > > > elecTRIC contact cleaner commonly found in automotive sections - can > > > soften or dissolve the button-switch plastic] > > > > > > Best to only use WD-40 on stuff where a little bit of extra resistance > > > doesn't matter (like big ol' motor relays or the insides of of an old > > > car's water-wetted distributor cap during a heavy rain). > > > > > > Cerulean - d > > > > > > > > > Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > > > > > > > Mentions WD-40: > > > > > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200 > > 009/msg004 > > > 96.html?line=51#hilite > > > > > > Mentions WD-60 ? Probably meant WD-40, right? > > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200409/msg00285.html > > > > > > >From this list: > > > http://www.twbc.org/wd40.htm > > > it seems that WD-40 might be useful for cleaning/removing moist from > > > electric contacts. > > > > > > Anyone experienced with WD-40's use to clean the contacts of the EFC-7 > > > (plain old foodpedal that comes with the EDP) ? > > > > > > Thank you > > > Bernhard > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 13:17:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95H8Z802603; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:08:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:08:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1096996012!21431041 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557D64@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WD-40 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:59:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4AAFC.A4493C40" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. 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>>This is seriously NASTY stuff! Use it to lube you= r squeeky door hinges<<

I would concur that wd40 shouldn't be used to clean elect= ronics, especially where anything more delicate than steel is likely to be = exposed to the fluid, but it should also be noted that wd40 is NOT a lubric= ant either. it's a solvent. after a mechanical joint has been freed up with= wd40 & elbow grease, it should be oiled properly.

I once used it to remove magic-marker ink from a crystal = watch-glass- it's good for that sort of thing, & I could see why folks = might assume it could be useful for contact-cleaning.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4AAFC.A4493C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 13:22:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95HHm703751; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:17:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:17:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4162D72C.00005F.01748@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:17:32 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_81G4OAX66RO000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557D64@lon-oxmail02> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WD-40 X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_81G4OAX66RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable go to your local electronic shop. they have a spray which drys almost on contact. I think its freon. Just tell them that you need the spray for dirty faders/controls. They should have it at radio shack. you dont need = to hit it with much. as you spray mov ethe control. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 10/05/04 10:07:10=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: WD-40=0D =0D >>This is seriously NASTY stuff! Use it to lube your squeeky door hinges<= < =0D I would concur that wd40 shouldn't be used to clean electronics, especial= ly where anything more delicate than steel is likely to be exposed to the fl= uid but it should also be noted that wd40 is NOT a lubricant either. it's a solvent. after a mechanical joint has been freed up with wd40 & elbow gre= ase it should be oiled properly.=0D I once used it to remove magic-marker ink from a crystal watch-glass- it'= s good for that sort of thing, & I could see why folks might assume it coul= d be useful for contact-cleaning.=0D d. =0D =0D =0D *************************************************************************= **=0D CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE=0D =0D The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user=0D of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also=0D be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may =0D not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it=0D in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error,=0D please e-mail the sender by replying to this message.=0D =0D It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other=0D checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not=0D affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this=0D e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily=0D represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated,=0D nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated.=0D =0D MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from=0D external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct =0D and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment.=0D =0D MTV Networks Europe=0D *************************************************************************= **=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_81G4OAX66RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--------------Boundary-00=_81G4OAX66RO000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 13:28:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95HL0s04212; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:21:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:21:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-577997143 Message-Id: Reply-To: Grossman Ben From: Ben Grossman Subject: A Cornucopia of exciting autumnal gigs!! (aka gig spam) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:19:57 -0400 To: Grossman Ben X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-577997143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello to you all! I hope that this note finds you well. Fall must be 'improvised-hurdy-gurdy-with-live-looping' season in Ontario and Quebec: I have some fun gigs to tell you about. _________________________________________________________ First, in Montreal, I will be performing as a guest of the incredible percussion duo GaPa. Patrick Graham and Ganesh Anandan use their expertise in various percussion traditions (Karnatic, Japanese, Celtic, classical), combined with a wide-eared experimental sensibility to create beautiful, exciting compositions and improvisations. I will be joining them on hurdy gurdy and electronics for an evening of new compositions and improvisations. Friday, 29th of October, 8 PM at Casa del Popolo, http://www.casadelpopolo.com/ 4873 boul. St-Laurent, Montreal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Next, the premier public performance of the Ima Ensemble. Put together by the mad mind of Toronto percussionist, composer and musical monster Deb Sinha, Ima is composed of improviser/composer/performers: Deb Sinha http://www.debsinha.com Patrick Graham http://www.patricgrahampercussion.com Andrew Downing http://www.andrewdowning.com and me (website too pathetic to list) Our mandate is improvisation, spontaneous composition, and musical bungee-jumping (sometimes without the bungee cord). We'll be playing on Friday, 5th November, 9 PM in the front room of the TRANZAC club in Toronto. The TRANZAC is at 292 Brunswick Street, just South of Bloor. PWYC. _________________________________________________________ The VERY NEXT NIGHT, 6th November, 8 pm, (should I be selling passes or what?) GaPa and I (see item 1, above) will perform in Toronto at 90 Croatia Street, Toronto. This is a co-production of the Music Umbrella and the Royal Conservatory of Music. http://www.rcmusic.ca/BoxOffice/EventDetails.aspx?EventID=99c5d5de- d0ee-417d-8c65-53dbf680cf5d&EventDetails=Details ________________________________________________________ And finally (for this email, at least), I'll be performing a night of improvised music with jazz/improv/actuelle/etc. mad guitar genius, Tim Postgate on November 25th at about 9 PM. He and Rob Clutton run the (now 5th) annual Grand Festival of Autumnal Happiness, a casual, mostly improvised concert series in Toronto. Details can be found at http://www.grandfestival.blogspot.com New Work Studio at 189 Spadina Ave., Toronto. ________________________________________________________ As always, I will be performing with my vielle (hurdy gurdy/Drehleier) of course, and my usual array of looping devices and whatnot. I hope to see you all there. Thanks for your interest (or patience). Best regards, Ben --Apple-Mail-2-577997143 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hello to you all! I hope that this note finds you well. Fall must be 'improvised-hurdy-gurdy-with-live-looping' season in Ontario and Quebec: I have some fun gigs to tell you about. _________________________________________________________ First, in Montreal, I will be performing as a guest of the incredible percussion duo GaPa. Patrick Graham and Ganesh Anandan use their expertise in various percussion traditions (Karnatic, Japanese, Celtic, classical), combined with a wide-eared experimental sensibility to create beautiful, exciting compositions and improvisations. I will be joining them on hurdy gurdy and electronics for an evening of new compositions and improvisations. Friday, 29th of October, 8 PM at Casa del Popolo, http://www.casadelpopolo.com/ 4873 boul. St-Laurent, Montreal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Next, the premier public performance of the Ima Ensemble. Put together by the mad mind of Toronto percussionist, composer and musical monster Deb Sinha, Ima is composed of improviser/composer/performers: Deb Sinha http://www.debsinha.com Patrick Graham http://www.patricgrahampercussion.com Andrew Downing http://www.andrewdowning.com and me (website too pathetic to list) Our mandate is improvisation, spontaneous composition, and musical bungee-jumping (sometimes without the bungee cord). We'll be playing on Friday, 5th November, 9 PM in the front room of the TRANZAC club in Toronto. The TRANZAC is at 292 Brunswick Street, just South of Bloor. PWYC. _________________________________________________________ The VERY NEXT NIGHT, 6th November, 8 pm, (should I be selling passes or what?) GaPa and I (see item 1, above) will perform in Toronto at 90 Croatia Street, Toronto. This is a co-production of the Music Umbrella and the Royal Conservatory of Music. http://www.rcmusic.ca/BoxOffice/EventDetails.aspx?EventID=99c5d5de-d0ee-417d-8c65-53dbf680cf5d&EventDetails=Details ________________________________________________________ And finally (for this email, at least), I'll be performing a night of improvised music with jazz/improv/actuelle/etc. mad guitar genius, Tim Postgate on November 25th at about 9 PM. He and Rob Clutton run the (now 5th) annual Grand Festival of Autumnal Happiness, a casual, mostly improvised concert series in Toronto. Details can be found at http://www.grandfestival.blogspot.com 0000,0000,0000New Work Studio at 189 Spadina Ave., Toronto. ________________________________________________________ As always, I will be performing with my vielle (hurdy gurdy/Drehleier) of course, and my usual array of looping devices and whatnot. I hope to see you all there. Thanks for your interest (or patience). Best regards, Ben --Apple-Mail-2-577997143-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 13:40:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95HMMR04453; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:22:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:22:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0E78C8D4-16F3-11D9-9F42-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: Looping and Meditative States, etc Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:55 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > On Oct 5, 2004, at 6:51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Any other experiences like this from the rest of you? Are any of you >> attending Looper's Anonymous? Do you wake up in the middle of the >> night >> with the cold sweats, aching for just one quick loop fix? Heh heh.... >> >>> It's like looping is some sort of mind-altering opiate or something. >> One can easily lose all conception of space and time. > > > Speaking for myself that's not only true with looping. Any kind of > music making induces that state of mind. I need only to play one note, > or imagine doing that, to experience a drastic change in focus of my > sensory perception. It's obvious that the part of the brain normally > used for speaking "oral languages" has to make the way for "the > musical mind", because if you are playing music and get a quick call > from someone you might nog be able to speak at all for a second, > before catching up on normal brain functions again. Try to throw quick > questions at a musician friend when he is playing and you will get a > healthy laugh! (don't play try this trick to the performers at the > club ;-) > > As I'm also into practicing yoga and meditation, I've taken interest > in comparing that particular (subjective) experience with music > making. To me it's so similar that I cut down on meditation to stay > out of the zombie zone. > > For a while I had a day time job looking after a training center, > doing the cleaning of showers and stuff, and then I also undertook the > experiment of running long distances in the wood three times a week. I > never experienced the exercising to do any good for my body (rather > the opposite, actually) but the most interesting thing was the state > of mind induced after approximately fifteen minutes of running. Very > similar to "the loopy mind" or plain meditation. Someone brought up > "drugs" in a post and I would guess that we're actually talking > endorphin here (a natural substance produced in the brain when the > system i under pressure, chemically similar to amphetamine). > > But then there are other levels of meditation that may not share as > much with the music making mind. As well as certain other adult > activities that also set of some endorphin ;-) > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 14:28:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95IPGA14374; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:25:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:25:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041005182436.70285.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: Fwd: Looping and Meditative States, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0E78C8D4-16F3-11D9-9F42-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess my original message went through, and since I wrote it sooo late last night, it probably rambled and skipped around, like I was meditating or something...lol. I find myself using a different part of my brain when I play music in general, but when I loop, it seems to happen much quicker, because of the repetitve nature of it. When I perform with my cover band, I always try to find ways of making people say, what the...? half the time, I don't even have to think about what I'm playing, so I'm trying to play the song with a twist, just to make people pay attention. I even do that in the studio, because I don't have the gear or the ability to live loop, I don't have that experience yet, but even when I record, it still makes me zone out. --- Per Boysen wrote: > > On Oct 5, 2004, at 6:51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> Any other experiences like this from the rest of > you? Are any of you > >> attending Looper's Anonymous? Do you wake up in > the middle of the > >> night > >> with the cold sweats, aching for just one quick > loop fix? Heh heh.... > >> > >>> It's like looping is some sort of mind-altering > opiate or something. > >> One can easily lose all conception of space and > time. > > > > > > Speaking for myself that's not only true with > looping. Any kind of > > music making induces that state of mind. I need > only to play one note, > > or imagine doing that, to experience a drastic > change in focus of my > > sensory perception. It's obvious that the part of > the brain normally > > used for speaking "oral languages" has to make the > way for "the > > musical mind", because if you are playing music > and get a quick call > > from someone you might nog be able to speak at all > for a second, > > before catching up on normal brain functions > again. Try to throw quick > > questions at a musician friend when he is playing > and you will get a > > healthy laugh! (don't play try this trick to the > performers at the > > club ;-) > > > > As I'm also into practicing yoga and meditation, > I've taken interest > > in comparing that particular (subjective) > experience with music > > making. To me it's so similar that I cut down on > meditation to stay > > out of the zombie zone. > > > > For a while I had a day time job looking after a > training center, > > doing the cleaning of showers and stuff, and then > I also undertook the > > experiment of running long distances in the wood > three times a week. I > > never experienced the exercising to do any good > for my body (rather > > the opposite, actually) but the most interesting > thing was the state > > of mind induced after approximately fifteen > minutes of running. Very > > similar to "the loopy mind" or plain meditation. > Someone brought up > > "drugs" in a post and I would guess that we're > actually talking > > endorphin here (a natural substance produced in > the brain when the > > system i under pressure, chemically similar to > amphetamine). > > > > But then there are other levels of meditation that > may not share as > > much with the music making mind. As well as > certain other adult > > activities that also set of some endorphin ;-) > > > > All the best > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 14:50:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95IlAf18022; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:47:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:47:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:46:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Eleven Eyes California Tour From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <8ihTHC.A.DZE.UwuYBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My band will be on tour in California for the next few weeks. Unfortunately, even though we're in the neighborhood, we won't be able to make it to the loopfest, so close, yet no cigar. But if any NorCal or SoCal loopers have a free night, check it out. We're an avant jazz/hip-hop/fusion sextet: trumpet, tenor, guitar, bass/keys (me), drums and turntables. For more info, see http://www.eleveneyes.org the itinerary: Wednesday, 10/6, we're at Muddy Waters, 1603 G Street, Arcata, CA. Thursday, 10/7, we return to the Tradewinds, 8210 Old Redwood, Cotati, CA. Friday, 10/8, we play at the Jupiter, 2181 Shattuck Ave, Berkely, CA. http://www.jupiterbeer.com/berkeley/ Saturday, 10/9, we're at the Old Western Saloon, in beautiful Point Reyes, CA Sunday, 10/10, we're back at the Bistro, 1001 B Street, Heyward CA. This is a free happy hour show, from 4-7. http://www.the-bistro.com Monday, 10/11, we play a noon show at Cuestra Community College, in San Luis Obispo. Tuesday, 10/12, we play a noon concert at UC Santa Barbara campus, Santa Barbara, CA. And that night, we're at the Frog and Peach, 728 Higuera Street, San Luis Obispo. Wednesday, 10/13, we're at Sweet Springs Saloon, 990 Los Osos Valley Road, Los Osos, CA. http://www.sweetspringssaloon.com/index.html Thursday, 10/14, we play at 14 Below, 1348 14th Street, Santa Monica, CA. This is an 8pm show, we play one set. http://www.14below.com Friday, 10/15, we're at the Boulevard, 925 West San Marcos BLVD, San Marcos, CA. And finally, we play at the Last Day Saloon, 406 Clement Street, San Francisco, CA, opening for the Global Funk Council http://www.globalfunkcouncil.com/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 15:47:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95JitN26185; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:44:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:44:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Eleven Eyes California Tour Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:43:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2004 19:44:01.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9E964B0:01C4AB13] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ohhhh mannnnnn! Cool Shit. I want a cd. Where do I go? >My band will be on tour in California for the next few weeks. >Unfortunately, even though we're in the neighborhood, we won't be able to >make it to the loopfest, so close, yet no cigar. But if any NorCal or SoCal >loopers have a free night, check it out. > >We're an avant jazz/hip-hop/fusion sextet: trumpet, tenor, guitar, >bass/keys (me), drums and turntables. For more info, see >http://www.eleveneyes.org _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 16:47:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95KYV432648; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:34:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:34:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 13:32:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Eleven Eyes California Tour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tuesday, October 5, 2004, at 12:43 PM, Jason Spring wrote: > Ohhhh mannnnnn! > > Cool Shit. I want a cd. Where do I go? Thanks! try http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/eleveneyes > >> My band will be on tour in California for the next few weeks. >> Unfortunately, even though we're in the neighborhood, we won't be >> able to make it to the loopfest, so close, yet no cigar. But if any >> NorCal or SoCal loopers have a free night, check it out. >> >> We're an avant jazz/hip-hop/fusion sextet: trumpet, tenor, guitar, >> bass/keys (me), drums and turntables. For more info, see >> http://www.eleveneyes.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 19:00:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95MwIR18636; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:58:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:58:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <64.4563295d.2e9480b3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:56:51 EDT Subject: Re: WD-40 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <58aD3D.A.whE.FbyYBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have used a product called - Lube Job - electronics lubricant. Recommended for metering devices, potentiometers, a/v mixers etc. Seems to work well and is safe on plastics. Still, make sure everything you are spreaying is unplugged. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 19:34:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i95NV3922833; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:31:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:31:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00be01c4ab33$47b4a780$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Y2K4 Venue Addresses Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:30:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I believe I already posted this information but here goes again: SCHEDULE for THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7th The LUGGAGE STORE San Francisco 1007 Market Street admission: $6-$10/admission 9:00 The INAMI/WALKER/WAGNER International Looping Trio (opener begins at 8 p.m.) SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th QUESTION MARK GALLERY Santa Cruz in the Pearl Alley Building behind the Pacific Garden Mall admission: FREE 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th The RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz 429 Pennsylvania (1/4 block south of Soquel Avenue across from Rite Aid/Albertson's) all 50 artists in two days LOOPERS LUNCHEON MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th the CATALYST, Pacific Garden Mall, Santa Cruz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 20:08:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i96064T26671; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:06:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <00be01c4ab33$47b4a780$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00be01c4ab33$47b4a780$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <70DE8D20-172B-11D9-AC24-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:05:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Terribly sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a description of the Resonant Church available, maybe even some photos to get a feel for the venue? I love the name, anyway; as proprietor of Resonant Resources, how could I not. thanks Alex S. On Oct 5, 2004, at 4:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Hi, I believe I already posted this information but here goes again: > > > SCHEDULE for THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7th > The LUGGAGE STORE San Francisco > 1007 Market Street > admission: $6-$10/admission > > 9:00 The INAMI/WALKER/WAGNER International Looping Trio > (opener begins at 8 p.m.) > > > > SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th > QUESTION MARK GALLERY Santa Cruz > in the Pearl Alley Building behind the Pacific Garden Mall > > admission: FREE > > 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* > 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* > 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* > > MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th > The RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz > 429 Pennsylvania (1/4 block south of Soquel Avenue across from Rite > Aid/Albertson's) > > all 50 artists in two days > > LOOPERS LUNCHEON MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th > the CATALYST, Pacific Garden Mall, Santa Cruz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 23:09:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9630l413684; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:00:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:00:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Y2K4 Venue Addresses Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:59:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c4ab50$6f8ab070$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <70DE8D20-172B-11D9-AC24-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My biggest question is are there places to sit? Should we bring our camping chairs? -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses Terribly sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a description of the Resonant Church available, maybe even some photos to get a feel for the venue? I love the name, anyway; as proprietor of Resonant Resources, how could I not. thanks Alex S. On Oct 5, 2004, at 4:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Hi, I believe I already posted this information but here goes again: > > > SCHEDULE for THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7th > The LUGGAGE STORE San Francisco > 1007 Market Street > admission: $6-$10/admission > > 9:00 The INAMI/WALKER/WAGNER International Looping Trio > (opener begins at 8 p.m.) > > > > SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th > QUESTION MARK GALLERY Santa Cruz > in the Pearl Alley Building behind the Pacific Garden Mall > > admission: FREE > > 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* > 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* > 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* > > MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th > The RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz > 429 Pennsylvania (1/4 block south of Soquel Avenue across from Rite > Aid/Albertson's) > > all 50 artists in two days > > LOOPERS LUNCHEON MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th > the CATALYST, Pacific Garden Mall, Santa Cruz > __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 5 23:54:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i963kbY19102; Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:46:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:46:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <149.356a7a8a.2e94c472@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:45:54 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_149.356a7a8a.2e94c472_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_149.356a7a8a.2e94c472_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/5/04 11:00:44 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net writes: > My biggest question is are there places to sit? > got ass?.....sorry! --part1_149.356a7a8a.2e94c472_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/5/04 11:00:44 PM, thetoyroom@comcast.net writes:


My biggest question is are ther= e places to sit?


got ass?.....sorry!
--part1_149.356a7a8a.2e94c472_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 00:05:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i96449L21190; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:04:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:04:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Y2K4 Venue Addresses Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:03:30 -0600 Message-ID: <006901c4ab59$7413f300$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001601c4ab50$6f8ab070$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In the pews, where else? :) -----Original Message----- From: the toy room [mailto:thetoyroom@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Y2K4 Venue Addresses My biggest question is are there places to sit? Should we bring our camping chairs? -----Original Message----- From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses Terribly sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a description of the Resonant Church available, maybe even some photos to get a feel for the venue? I love the name, anyway; as proprietor of Resonant Resources, how could I not. thanks Alex S. On Oct 5, 2004, at 4:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Hi, I believe I already posted this information but here goes again: > > > SCHEDULE for THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7th > The LUGGAGE STORE San Francisco > 1007 Market Street > admission: $6-$10/admission > > 9:00 The INAMI/WALKER/WAGNER International Looping Trio > (opener begins at 8 p.m.) > > > > SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th > QUESTION MARK GALLERY Santa Cruz > in the Pearl Alley Building behind the Pacific Garden Mall > > admission: FREE > > 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* > 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* > 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* > > MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th The > RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz 429 Pennsylvania (1/4 block south of > Soquel Avenue across from Rite > Aid/Albertson's) > > all 50 artists in two days > > LOOPERS LUNCHEON MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th > the CATALYST, Pacific Garden Mall, Santa Cruz > __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 00:23:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i964KDb22912; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:20:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:20:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:18:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006901c4ab59$7413f300$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7WnfCD.A.QlF.lJ3YBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "He who farts in church must sit in own pew" > In the pews, where else? :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: the toy room [mailto:thetoyroom@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Y2K4 Venue Addresses > > > My biggest question is are there places to sit? > Should we bring our camping chairs? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses > > Terribly sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a > description of the Resonant Church available, maybe even some photos to > get a feel for the venue? > > I love the name, anyway; as proprietor of Resonant Resources, how could > I not. > > thanks > > Alex S. > > > On Oct 5, 2004, at 4:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> Hi, I believe I already posted this information but here goes again: >> >> >> SCHEDULE for THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7th >> The LUGGAGE STORE San Francisco >> 1007 Market Street >> admission: $6-$10/admission >> >> 9:00 The INAMI/WALKER/WAGNER International Looping Trio >> (opener begins at 8 p.m.) >> >> >> >> SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th >> QUESTION MARK GALLERY Santa Cruz >> in the Pearl Alley Building behind the Pacific Garden Mall >> >> admission: FREE >> >> 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* >> 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* >> 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* >> >> MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th The >> RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz 429 Pennsylvania (1/4 block south of >> Soquel Avenue across from Rite >> Aid/Albertson's) >> >> all 50 artists in two days >> >> LOOPERS LUNCHEON MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th >> the CATALYST, Pacific Garden Mall, Santa Cruz >> > > > __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 01:06:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i964smf26816; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:54:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:54:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Y2K4 Venue Addresses Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:52:13 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c4ab60$3f62dbb0$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ok, ok...but I've been to enough 'alternative' concerts at 'alternative' churches to know that sometimes it's only four walls and a floor! And I've got only loopstock '02 for a reference point from personal experience...and I don't have my amp for ass planting this year. And a wife who ain't gonna give a diddly shit what knobs y'all are twiddling if she has to stand all day. Really, I'm just protecting myself here! Is it really a church with proper pews? I'm good with that. Although the last time I saw a concert in a proper church, it was the Gyoto monks, in a small church suitable for about 2-300 people, and about 5-600 people showed up and were somehow let in. So, trying to 'get into the vibe' of the chanting monks was a bit difficult when your legs are going numb while you are sardined on the floor. Getting the picture why I'm a bit gunshy? All in all, it'll good for the ol' preacher's kid to see the inside of a church again... hehe. Seeya, Rich -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:18 PM To: Loop Folk Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses "He who farts in church must sit in own pew" > In the pews, where else? :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: the toy room [mailto:thetoyroom@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:59 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Y2K4 Venue Addresses > > > My biggest question is are there places to sit? > Should we bring our camping chairs? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Stahl [mailto:alex@pixar.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 5:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Y2K4 Venue Addresses > > Terribly sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a > description of the Resonant Church available, maybe even some photos to > get a feel for the venue? > > I love the name, anyway; as proprietor of Resonant Resources, how could > I not. > > thanks > > Alex S. > > > On Oct 5, 2004, at 4:30 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> Hi, I believe I already posted this information but here goes again: >> >> >> SCHEDULE for THURSDAY, OCTOBER 7th >> The LUGGAGE STORE San Francisco >> 1007 Market Street >> admission: $6-$10/admission >> >> 9:00 The INAMI/WALKER/WAGNER International Looping Trio >> (opener begins at 8 p.m.) >> >> >> >> SCHEDULE for FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8th >> QUESTION MARK GALLERY Santa Cruz >> in the Pearl Alley Building behind the Pacific Garden Mall >> >> admission: FREE >> >> 8:00 Michael Klobuchar (USA)* >> 9:00 Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland)* >> 10:00 Sunao Inami (Japan)* >> >> MAIN FESTIVAL for SATURDAY and SUNDAY, OCTOBER 9th and 10th The >> RESONANT CHURCH, Santa Cruz 429 Pennsylvania (1/4 block south of >> Soquel Avenue across from Rite >> Aid/Albertson's) >> >> all 50 artists in two days >> >> LOOPERS LUNCHEON MONDAY, OCTOBER 11th >> the CATALYST, Pacific Garden Mall, Santa Cruz >> > > > __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com > > > > __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 02:50:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i966gLx08141; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 02:42:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 02:42:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000601c4ab6f$61616970$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: Subject: Fw: bkf @12 galaxees-FRISCO! /santa cruz internashunal live looping festival Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:40:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just got this ... Brian Kenney Fresno is an act not to be missed. He does some of the most imaginitive and original looping that I've ever heard. - Dave --------- hello! things are a ramping up onto the busy part, with the driving and the going "YAAAAA!", AND "WHOOOOO!" a lot! hope yewl all pracktice up and get yer uvulla's uvulatin, cuase i'll be needin ya to sing REAL LOUWD, this sat the 9th. (THAT" WHEN, THAT" WHEN!) 12 galaxees, FRISCO-in the misshion- 2565 Misshion Street @ 22nd i'm playin with my ol bro, That One Guy, so doan't missit! we've been tryin to put this together agin since before i was banned from playin in fresno, and that's ben a long time! giant bill, just the 2 of us, and only 10 bucks! see you their! ---------- then sunday 9pm, i'm at the resinant church(!), in santa cruz for the internashunal live looping festivel! the event is going on all day- i'm doin a 20 minnit set, at 9PM, so doan't be late! --------------------- i'd like to thank all of the volunteirs who offerred up there help for the fillmore last weak-THANKS! can't do it with out you. it's been a grate time hangin out hear at the burnin J ranch, but theirs a footment a move, and now it's time to (see above). acktchewally, it's time to send out press relleases and posters and stuff, cuase i've gotta lil tour coming up at the end of this month, i'm tellin you now, as i may forget, like i do everything else it seams like- i was just telling my sunday i did the stagehand thing for 38 sheshul, at our local indian casino- i had a reely speshul moment when i opened the back"stage" door, letting in full day light, during the dramatic offstage paws before the oncore. (it's just a lil pipe and drape partishun).. fog, darkness, etheareal rumblings, and LOT'S OF DRAMA, an intentcity of mood -all destroyed by some ideot, (me)! the band was all hudlled back their, and were yelling "NO! NO!" at me like they were vampires from the erly 80's. the hole crowd was lookin at me- somewon shooda locked the dam door- it was 5: in the after noon! hope to see some of you soon, 12 galaxees is big, so theirs room for many of you, but if you are that unplaesent person, with the flatchulant breth, poizonus flatchulants, and the insane laff that makes everywon crince*, theirs a lot goin on in the city that night.... *crince is a new new word i'm promotin! it's cringe and wince slammed together! "preeze" is the word for the time in witch you no that you have to sneeze, but haven't yet. preeze. it's like a sentince, but won word! all of my love to most of you, bkf brian kenney fresno 559-224-2132 www.bonghitrecords.com and when you see me on the street, yell "FRESNO!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 09:25:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i96DH9325554; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:17:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:17:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:16:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Looping and Meditative States, etc From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0E78C8D4-16F3-11D9-9F42-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3179899010_490535" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3179899010_490535 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yes, this is so true. It drives my wife crazy when she tries to talk to me while I=B9m playing! But speaking of meditative states, once while I was much younger and was playing with a jazz band, I had an out-of-the-body experience while playing a solo. It was one of the most pleasant things I=B9ve ever experienced, but o= f course, as soon as I conciously thought about what was happening, it ended. ghost7 --=20 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com on 10/5/04 1:21 PM, Per Boysen at per@boysen.se wrote: > It's obvious that the part of the brain normally >> > used for speaking "oral languages" has to make the way for "the >> > musical mind", because if you are playing music and get a quick call >> > from someone you might nog be able to speak at all for a second, >> > before catching up on normal brain functions again. Try to throw quick >> > questions at a musician friend when he is playing and you will get a >> > healthy laugh! (don't play try this trick to the performers at the >> > club ;-) --B_3179899010_490535 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping and Meditative States, etc Yes, this is so true. It drives my wife crazy when she= tries to talk to me while I’m playing!

But speaking of meditative states, once while I was much younger and was pl= aying with a jazz band, I had an out-of-the-body experience while playing a = solo. It was one of the most pleasant things I’ve ever experienced, bu= t of course, as soon as I conciously thought about what was happening, it en= ded.

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> before catching up on normal brain functions again. Try to throw quick=
> questions at a musician friend when he is playing and you will get a <= BR> > healthy laugh! (don't play try this trick to the performers at the > club ;-)

--B_3179899010_490535-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 12:27:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i96GIid18728; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:18:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:18:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aubreylande@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.4d807742.2e957462@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:16:34 EDT Subject: Meditative Nanotechnology for a Better World-Looping Contest To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.4d807742.2e957462_boundary" X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6808 Resent-Message-ID: <7Qz-CB.A.MhE.BqBZBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12f.4d807742.2e957462_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ya'all I am too busy right now to do this, but I will happily give $150.00 to the=20 first (come first serve) looper who can take the following text and create a= =20 voice-over MP3 downloadable loop-meditation to help enlist the forces of=20 imagination to get Kerry/Edwards fully and safely installed in the White Hou= se. Edit=20 as you see fit, but make the final piece yummy, delicious, meditative and=20 heartful. You keep the copyright, I'll get it out to as many people as I can= .Love,=20 Aubrey Here's the text from which to create the meditation: Let's join together in the "60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks Campaign." To turn=20 the tide now, we need to do something unstoppable. We need a critical mass o= f=20 us to stop railing against what is and reach for what we want. What do we wa= nt?=20 =A0We want John Kerry as our next President. Give up focusing on George Bush= .=20 We don't have to agree with him or support him in any fashion. =A0Instead, w= e=20 have to turn our thoughts now to something greater. We have to do something=20 unstoppable. In the legacy of Einstein and all great thinkers, we have to ha= rness=20 the power of our thoughts to get the outcome we desire in November. =A0=A0 If only 3 percent of the U.S. population takes 60 seconds to do this exercis= e=20 every day, we can make a massive difference. This is how it works: for 60=20 seconds each day visualize John Kerry elected as our next President of the U= nited=20 States. See the celebrations and excitement and sense of fulfillment all=20 across America. See yourself rejoicing with people in your home, neighborhoo= d, and=20 workplace. See us all rejoicing with people all over the world! =A0See John=20 Kerry being sworn into office. Feel the hope, joy, and =A0gratitude. Feel it= in=20 your hearts. Believe it is possible. Now, imagine John Kerry restoring greater wellbeing in America. See people=20 =A0streaming back to work. See young children getting the support they need.= =20 =A0Visualize our teachers, police officers, single mothers, the mentally ill= , and=20 =A0many others getting the help they deserve. See our soldiers coming home t= o their=20 =A0families. Imagine our leaders establishing greater trust and good will wi= th=20 =A0other nations. See peace spreading across the world. See the Iraq conflic= t=20 ending. Feel how good it will be for the environment to be protected and=20 renewed. See hope rising across the world in the hearts and souls of all of=20= us. =A0See=20 these pictures in your mind for 60 seconds every day between now and Novembe= r.=20 Be grateful that you have the gift of participating in shaping a =A0greater=20 country. Be grateful that you care. Believe that all this is =A0possible --=20= and=20 more! And be sure to vote! Pass this on to six more people. 60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks! =A0=A0 In peace, Susan Skog=A0speaking for millions of mutually resonant humans. =A0=A0=A0 --part1_12f.4d807742.2e957462_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi ya'all
I am too busy right now to do this, but I will happily give $150.00 t= o the first (come first serve) looper who can take the following text and cr= eate a voice-over MP3 downloadable loop-meditation to help enlist the forces= of imagination to get Kerry/Edwards fully and safely installed in the White= House. Edit as you see fit, but make the final piece yummy, delicious, medi= tative and heartful. You keep the copyright, I'll get it out to as many peop= le as I can.Love, Aubrey
Here's the text from which to create the meditation:

Let's join together in the "60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks Campaign.= " To turn the tide now, we need to do something unstoppable. We need a criti= cal mass of us to stop railing against what is and reach for what we want. W= hat do we want? =A0We want John Kerry as our next President. Give up focusin= g on George Bush. We don't have to agree with him or support him in any fash= ion. =A0Instead, we have to turn our thoughts now to something greater. We h= ave to do something unstoppable. In the legacy of Einstein and all great thi= nkers, we have to harness the power of our thoughts to get the outcome we de= sire in November.
=A0=A0
If only 3 percent of the U.S. population takes 60 seconds to do this exercis= e every day, we can make a massive difference. This is how it works: for 60=20= seconds each day visualize John Kerry elected as our next President of the U= nited States. See the celebrations and excitement and sense of fulfillment a= ll across America. See yourself rejoicing with people in your home, neighbor= hood, and workplace. See us all rejoicing with people all over the world!=20= =A0See John Kerry being sworn into office. Feel the hope, joy, and =A0gratit= ude. Feel it in your hearts. Believe it is possible.

Now, imagine John Kerry restoring greater wellbeing in America. See people=20= =A0streaming back to work. See young children getting the support they need.= =A0Visualize our teachers, police officers, single mothers, the mentally il= l, and =A0many others getting the help they deserve. See our soldiers coming= home to their =A0families. Imagine our leaders establishing greater trust a= nd good will with =A0other nations. See peace spreading across the world. Se= e the Iraq conflict ending. Feel how good it will be for the environment to=20= be protected and renewed. See hope rising across the world in the hearts and= souls of all of us. =A0See these pictures in your mind for 60 seconds every= day between now and November. Be grateful that you have the gift of partici= pating in shaping a =A0greater country. Be grateful that you care. Believe t= hat all this is =A0possible -- and more! And be sure to vote!

Pass this on to six more people. 60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks!=20= =A0=A0

In peace, Susan Skog=A0speaking for millions of mutually resonant humans.
=A0=A0=A0


--part1_12f.4d807742.2e957462_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 13:08:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i96H5mT24675; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:05:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:05:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:12:00 -0700 Subject: Kim is going to KILL ME: was Meditative Nanotechnology for a Better World-Looping Contest Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-663919667 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: sheila & joe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12f.4d807742.2e957462@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-663919667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Great idea....... just need to change John Kerry to Michael Badnarik. http://www.badnarik.org/ joe On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 09:16 AM, Aubreylande@aol.com wrote: > Hi ya'all > I am too busy right now to do this, but I will happily give $150.00 to=20= > the first (come first serve) looper who can take the following text=20 > and create a voice-over MP3 downloadable loop-meditation to help=20 > enlist the forces of imagination to get Kerry/Edwards fully and safely=20= > installed in the White House. Edit as you see fit, but make the final=20= > piece yummy, delicious, meditative and heartful. You keep the=20 > copyright, I'll get it out to as many people as I can.Love, Aubrey > Here's the text from which to create the meditation: > > Let's join together in the "60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks Campaign." To=20= > turn the tide now, we need to do something unstoppable. We need a=20 > critical mass of us to stop railing against what is and reach for what=20= > we want. What do we want? =A0We want John Kerry as our next President.=20= > Give up focusing on George Bush. We don't have to agree with him or=20 > support him in any fashion. =A0Instead, we have to turn our thoughts = now=20 > to something greater. We have to do something unstoppable. In the=20 > legacy of Einstein and all great thinkers, we have to harness the=20 > power of our thoughts to get the outcome we desire in November. > =A0=A0 > If only 3 percent of the U.S. population takes 60 seconds to do this=20= > exercise every day, we can make a massive difference. This is how it=20= > works: for 60 seconds each day visualize John Kerry elected as our=20 > next President of the United States. See the celebrations and=20 > excitement and sense of fulfillment all across America. See yourself=20= > rejoicing with people in your home, neighborhood, and workplace. See=20= > us all rejoicing with people all over the world! =A0See John Kerry = being=20 > sworn into office. Feel the hope, joy, and =A0gratitude. Feel it in = your=20 > hearts. Believe it is possible. > > Now, imagine John Kerry restoring greater wellbeing in America. See=20 > people =A0streaming back to work. See young children getting the = support=20 > they need. =A0Visualize our teachers, police officers, single mothers,=20= > the mentally ill, and =A0many others getting the help they deserve. = See=20 > our soldiers coming home to their =A0families. Imagine our leaders=20 > establishing greater trust and good will with =A0other nations. See=20 > peace spreading across the world. See the Iraq conflict ending. Feel=20= > how good it will be for the environment to be protected and renewed.=20= > See hope rising across the world in the hearts and souls of all of us.=20= > =A0See these pictures in your mind for 60 seconds every day between = now=20 > and November. Be grateful that you have the gift of participating in=20= > shaping a =A0greater country. Be grateful that you care. Believe that=20= > all this is =A0possible -- and more! And be sure to vote! > > Pass this on to six more people. 60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks! =A0=A0 > > In peace, Susan Skog=A0speaking for millions of mutually resonant = humans. > > =A0=A0=A0 > --Apple-Mail-2-663919667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great idea....... just need to change John Kerry to Michael Badnarik. http://www.badnarik.org/ joe On Wednesday, October 6, 2004, at 09:16 AM, Aubreylande@aol.com wrote: ArialHi ya'all I am too busy right now to do this, but I will happily give $150.00 to the first (come first serve) looper who can take the following text and create a voice-over MP3 downloadable loop-meditation to help enlist the forces of imagination to get Kerry/Edwards fully and safely installed in the White House. Edit as you see fit, but make the final piece yummy, delicious, meditative and heartful. You keep the copyright, I'll get it out to as many people as I can.Love, Aubrey Here's the text from which to create the meditation: Comic Sans = MS0000,0000,0000Let's join together in the "60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks Campaign." To turn the tide now, we need to do something unstoppable. We need a critical mass of us to stop railing against what is and reach for what we want. What do we want? =A0We want John Kerry as our next President. Give up focusing on George Bush. We don't have to agree with him or support him in any fashion. =A0Instead, we have to turn our thoughts now to something greater. We have to do something unstoppable. In the legacy of Einstein and all great thinkers, we have to harness the power of our thoughts to get the outcome we desire in November. =A0=A0 If only 3 percent of the U.S. population takes 60 seconds to do this exercise every day, we can make a massive difference. This is how it works: for 60 seconds each day visualize John Kerry elected as our next President of the United States. See the celebrations and excitement and sense of fulfillment all across America. See yourself rejoicing with people in your home, neighborhood, and workplace. See us all rejoicing with people all over the world! =A0See John Kerry being sworn into office. Feel the hope, joy, and =A0gratitude. Feel it in your hearts. Believe it is possible. Now, imagine John Kerry restoring greater wellbeing in America. See people =A0streaming back to work. See young children getting the support they need. =A0Visualize our teachers, police officers, single mothers, the mentally ill, and =A0many others getting the help they deserve. See our soldiers coming home to their =A0families. Imagine our leaders establishing greater trust and good will with =A0other nations. See peace spreading across the world. See the Iraq conflict ending. Feel how good it will be for the environment to be protected and renewed. See hope rising across the world in the hearts and souls of all of us. =A0See these pictures in your mind for 60 seconds every day between now and November. Be grateful that you have the gift of participating in shaping a =A0greater country. Be grateful that you care. Believe that all this is =A0possible -- and more! And be sure to vote! Pass this on to six more people. 60 Seconds a Day for 6 Weeks! =A0=A0 In peace, Susan Skog=A0speaking for millions of mutually resonant = humans. =A0=A0=A0 = --Apple-Mail-2-663919667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 18:34:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i96MVaQ09735; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:31:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:31:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041006223048.52413.qmail@web21326.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Headrush E2 To: loopers-delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For you lower-end loopers, it looks like the new Akai Headrush E2 has finally hit the streets. I got an email flyer from American Musical Supply which listed it for $199. Could be a nice addition to my pedalboard... Greg _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 18:46:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i96Md2f10794; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:39:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:39:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00e901c4abf5$3e918d40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" References: <200410061627.i96GRTi20001@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: RESONANT CHURCH has chairs Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:38:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Y2K4 International Live Looping Festival http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 (note the capitalized 'Y' and 'K'............its' crucial to get there) The RESONANT CHURCH is the oldest protestant church in Santa Cruz (established 1848). It used to be called the Four Square Church and I don't have any photos of it. It has been purchased by a good friend Neil DiScala. He lives in it and has graciously let us use it for Y2K4. It has nice acoustics and their will be approximately 80 chairs in the venue with two stages. It is close to restaurants and not far from the main drag (the Pacific Garden Mall) where captive spouses of live looping artists can have a lot of fun, shopping, eating, drinking and gawking at the colorful S.C. denizens when they take a break from the non-stop loopage................lol Yours, Rick ps I'll be incredibly busy in the next 96 hours and may not have time to post and/or read loopers delight. Any further inquiries can be made to me directly at rickwalker@looppool.info Please pass this info on if you see anyone seeking more last minute information about the festival. See you all here, I hope. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 21:12:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9719Il28273; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004104711945560@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Headrush E2 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:19:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94018e9688e473ae2a14d01b9f69ed69934350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.221 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com one thing I liked about the old Head rush, which I hope is repeated in the E2, is that it was simply a looper that could be QUICKLY and EASILY reconfigured into a top-notch tape-echo simulator with the flick of a good old-fashioned switch. Knobs. Switches. Stuff that a technophobe can deal with while battling stage fright in front a jaded "show-me" audience. I missed out on the original Head rush (if you can find them, they are going for way too much dough), but the E2 may be a second chance. Now I just need to find some dough...anyone wanna buy my DOD Gonkulator, mint in box with manual? ~Tim www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: Greg House > To: loopers-delight > Date: 10/6/2004 6:32:44 PM > Subject: Headrush E2 > > For you lower-end loopers, it looks like the new Akai Headrush E2 has finally hit > the streets. I got an email flyer from American Musical Supply which listed it > for $199. Could be a nice addition to my pedalboard... > > Greg > > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 21:55:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i971npk01830; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:49:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:49:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Looping and Meditative States, etc Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:48:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4ABD5.0E757920" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcSrp01rwmT4HYueSUetz/0CMTF3jgAY02Wg Message-Id: <20041007014817.LXSE8184.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4ABD5.0E757920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But speaking of meditative states, once while I was much younger... and was playing with a show band, for a "colored" review, to use the terminology of the day, there was a gorgeous, tall, dancer, whom they said had just come from Africa, and they told me to just play some tom-tom rhythms, while She was doing Her solo dancing. That was the last I remembered, until the MC came over and shook me while I was playing, and told me to stop playing, or else I would "kill" the girl. Apparently, She had been dancing all the time I was playing, and was soaking wet, as I suppose, I was too. Today, we would probably call that Trance, and not meditation. I once had a friend of mine ask me if I was ever "initiated". Since he knew that I had been involved with meditation and spiritual practices, I figured he was searching for something different, so I told him this story. His reply was, Yes, you've been initiated all right! I also remember a book I've read called "Samba" where this woman went to Brazil to learn how to dance, and her female instructor told her, after she was concerned that she was starting to sweat, Honey, you don't even start to do Samba, until your body is totally covered with sweat! tOM _____ From: Dan Soltzberg [mailto:d.ans@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:17 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Looping and Meditative States, etc But speaking of meditative states, once while I was much younger and was playing with a jazz band, I had an out-of-the-body experience while playing a solo. It was one of the most pleasant things I've ever experienced, but of course, as soon as I conciously thought about what was happening, it ended. ghost7 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4ABD5.0E757920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping and Meditative States, etc
But speaking of = meditative states,=20 once while I was much younger...
 
and=20 was playing with a show band, for a "colored" review, to use = the=20 terminology of the day,
 
there=20 was a gorgeous, tall, dancer, whom they said had just come from Africa, = and they=20 told me to just play some tom-tom rhythms, while She was doing Her solo=20 dancing.  That was the last I remembered, until the MC came over = and shook=20 me while I was playing, and told me to stop playing, or else I would = "kill" the=20 girl.  Apparently, She had been dancing all the time I was playing, = and was=20 soaking wet, as I suppose, I was too.
 
Today,=20 we would probably call that Trance, and not = meditation.
 
I once=20 had a friend of mine ask me if I was ever "initiated".  Since = he knew=20 that I had been involved with meditation and spiritual practices, I = figured he=20 was searching for something different, so I told him this story.  = His reply=20 was, Yes, you've been initiated all right!
 
I also=20 remember a book I've read called "Samba" where this woman went to Brazil = to=20 learn how to dance, and her female instructor told her, after she was = concerned=20 that she was starting to sweat, Honey, you don't even start to do Samba, = until=20 your body is totally covered with sweat!
 
tOM
 


From: Dan Soltzberg = [mailto:d.ans@rcn.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:17 AM
To: = Loopers=20 Delight
Subject: Re: Looping and Meditative States,=20 etc


But speaking of meditative = states, once=20 while I was much younger and was playing with a jazz band, I had an=20 out-of-the-body experience while playing a solo. It was one of the most = pleasant=20 things I’ve ever experienced, but of course, as soon as I = conciously thought=20 about what was happening, it ended.

ghost7
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C4ABD5.0E757920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 6 22:42:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i972eWp08143; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:40:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:40:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c4ac16$f7c07620$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: International Live Looping Day: Saturday, October 9th Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:40:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7-TTUC.A.o-B.MyKZBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mayor Scott Kennedy of the city of Santa Cruz, California has declared Saturday, October 9th to be International Live Looping Day in the city of Santa Cruz. The mayor is in the middle east doing international peace work this week so ex-mayor and city council person Emilly Reilly will make a formal presentation to the featured artists of the Y2K4 Live Looping Festival this coming Saturday evening at 6:50 p.m., right before the beginning of the evening concert. We hope you can make it. Also, many loopers from around the world who have been unable to make the festival have recorded shoutouts to the performers and spectators and we'll be playing them in between acts on Saturday and Sunday. In addition, Etheric Networks with the audio help of Bernhard Wagner will be INTERNET SIMULCASTING the audio of the entire main festival on Saturday and Sunday between noon and midnight PST while all 50+ assembled live loopers will be performing. We are getting this together at the last minute but we'll post here for where you can go to hear the concert as soon as we know everything's working. Hope to see some of you at the festival. Please come up and say hi and introduce yourselves if we haven't met in person before. Loop on, everyone! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 7 00:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i974oN724460; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:50:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:50:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Proto-Material for New CD - looking for comments, etc Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:49:20 -0600 Message-ID: <00c601c4ac29$05a4a790$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <-ZWDyD.A.68F.hrMZBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folks - I'm starting to record some "proto-material" for my next CD, which I hope to release in May of 2005. It will be called "1/6", and it will have a variety of hidden numerological implications that have special meaning for me. My goal is to accrue a pool of 20 or 30 songs, and then select those that fit best together into a unified theme and are most interesting to listeners. As with my last CD, "Places", these tunes are primarily spontaneous compositions recorded in one take with either my acoustic guitar or my Paul Reed Smith Jazz Hollow-Body..except for two songs, "Cantor's Madhouse" and "Race to Infinity", which I composed with Finale notational software. For this CD, I'm heading even more toward the experimental genre than with "Places". I have uploaded my current set of songs at this URL: http://www.artistnow.com/index.php?m=vp&a=10&id=18195&aid=14365 Let me know what you think, what tunes you like the most, how they make you feel, etc. I would greatly appreciate it! :) For those of you going to the Y24K International Loopers Conference, you may hear me toying around with some general themes reflected by these songs...or maybe not, depending on how spontaneous I feel when my fingers hit the fretboard and my foot hits the Record button at 12:30pm on Saturday! Okay, now let's have some fun and games. I'll send anyone a free CD of "Places" and my DVD "Microscopic Horrors" who can discover one of my numerological connections with this proto-CD and "1/6/". I was able to use a web search engine to figure one out with the right key words. Let's see how someone's brain works... Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 7 06:46:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i97AdQQ01979; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:39:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:39:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <00c601c4ac29$05a4a790$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <00c601c4ac29$05a4a790$6601a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1370C225-184D-11D9-BDDD-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Eventide Eclipse 3.0 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:38:50 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Friends, Is someone familiar with the Eventide Eclipse 3.0? I'm up to writing a review of it for the Swedish guitar player magazine and would love to hear your opinions on the Eclipse. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 7 16:07:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i97K3DO31195; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:03:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:03:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.163] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Proto-Material for New CD - looking for comments, etc Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:00:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2004 20:01:03.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[6005C2D0:01C4ACA8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Kick ass" is my all-around general first impression. I haven't had time to listen to each one like I should, but on the whole I likey-alot. >I have uploaded my current set >of songs at this URL: > >http://www.artistnow.com/index.php?m=vp&a=10&id=18195&aid=14365 > >Let me know what you think, what tunes you like the most, how they make >you feel, etc. I would greatly appreciate it! :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 7 18:33:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i97MQ8103231; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:26:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:26:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.232.230.218] X-Originating-Email: [mattdavignon@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mattdavignon@hotmail.com From: "matt davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RESONANT CHURCH has chairs Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:12:19 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2004 22:13:06.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[D242BC60:01C4ACBA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com What? Spouses aren't into non-stop loopage? Is that why I can't get a girlfriend? (I thought it was the video games!) If I played my set without the klingon garb, would that make it slightly more sexy? >From: "loop.pool" >It is close to restaurants and not far from the main drag (the Pacific >Garden Mall) where captive spouses of live looping artists >can have a lot of fun, shopping, eating, drinking and gawking at the >colorful S.C. denizens when they take a break from the non-stop >loopage................lol > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 7 18:57:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i97MtTO07471; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:55:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:55:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: RESONANT CHURCH has chairs Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:54:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > If I played my set without the klingon garb, would that make it > slightly more sexy? yIDoghQo' (http://www.kli.org/tlh/phrases.html for you smooth-foreheaded ones) Today is a good day to loop! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 7 23:49:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i983ks516046; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:46:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:46:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005501c4ace9$fc272dc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_PiNG_presents_S=F6ftware_with_Toastybird_Visuals?= Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:50:42 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This Tuesday will be a must for those of you who dig artists playing large stacks of gear with hundreds of blinky lights and a tangle of patch cables. Yes, Söftware is back... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 12th - Söftware with Toastybird Visuals "This Söftware show is going to be a treat! Electronic coated candy. We've got moogs, modulars, step sequencers, control voltages, guitars, delays, loopers and video like we've never had before. Its a delectable mix of sweet sounds: prog rock meets jazz meets electronica. The smooth rhythmic sequencers and hard-coated kraut rock inspired lead lines makes Söftware a tasty treat for your musical pallet. Toastybird will mix an exciting multi-coloured visual video presentation to accent your sweet-toothed escapade into this sonic sugarland." http://techno-jazz.com Between Sets CD - "Sculptor" by Sylken and Pholde Sylken's synthesizers sweep across Pholde's soundscapes wrung from bowed sound-sculptures of hardened steel. Available @ http://www.pingthings.com/SYLKENsculptor.htm http://www.sylken.ca http://www.pholde.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 19th - AKUMU & Mara's Torment http://www.spiderrecords.com/akumu/ http://www.marastorment.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Progression" by Munkie is a strong example of the chill genre, a finely crafted blend of downtempo beats & deep atmospheres with lush pads and bright melodies. Occasional vocal tracks stand alongside intrumentals in a tasteful and appealing blend. Opening with "Collision (Sunrise Mix)", we're treated to an upbeat track filled with plucked guitar loops and uptempo percussion. A lovely start to the disc suggesting an optimism and positivity that will carry throughout. "Arbitrary Love/Hate" is a blast of psychedelia amid a constantly shifting backdrop of stop and go drum patterns and choked guitar. Quite engaging this one. "Shadows of Black" is a frantic bass heavy sweep through angular pads and treated vocals. Totally cyber, very Gibson-esque. Skip ahead to the claustrophobic tones that open "Ghosts in the Machine", where a dark and dreary intro gives way to a percussion heavy track with percolating melodies and rising sounds that ebb and flow throughout. A fine example of cleverly executed IDM. "Bright Rays of the Sun" uses a reggae flavor to propel the piece forward, a summertime love song filled with optimism and light. "Going Home" is a light groove piece with wahwah guitar and brushed drum beats that evoke a Hooverphonic type vibe. Very nice work, very chilled. Overall I think that "Progression" is a strong debut from a talented new performer. I trust that we'll be hearing more from them, and this is of course a good thing. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubscribe' in the e-mail body. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 05:29:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i989Mf131299; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:22:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:22:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:22:10 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Today's photos uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, we did gig in Luggage Store in San Francisco,photos uploaded below. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1007/ also, my solo performance in yesterday is below, http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1006/ Thanks Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 05:45:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i989iAk01716; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:44:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007001c4ad1b$523713c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: y2k4: 1st night SF Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 02:43:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Y2K4 mini diary first installment: Well, it feels funny writing a review of the first night of the Y2K4 festival at the Luggage Store in San Francisco as I was one of the members of the live looping improv trio with Sunao Inami and Bernhard Wagner but I had such a good time and the response was so nice by the good crowd that attended that I wanted to let everyone know that we're off to a good start. At one point I just stopped playing and marvelled at the fact that here I was sharing the stage with someone from Kobe, Japan and Zurich, Switzerland. Maybe not a big deal to some, but it filled me with wonder and I felt really happy for the first time in several days of neurotic last minute detailing of the rest of the festival; this and the fact that Michael Klobuchar, Stan Card, Matt Davignon, Dina Emerson, Tim Thompson and Rent Romus were all in the audience listening appreciatively. Sunao, Bernhard and I all have such disparate styles musically that I thought it might not be a cohesive performance but I was really pleasantly surprised by how cohesive the long 45 minute improv was. We went to a lot of places and had a lot of synchronous playing despite the fact that only Bernhard and I were brother synced with our EDP. It was abstract at times: ambient and dark at others and we occasionally coalesced into some funk rhythmic material. It was a nice contrast to the fascinating glitch/noise group form Berlin that opened up the night. Sunao has such a beautiful sense of timbre and deftly manipulated his sound creations in Native Instruments Reaktor and Ableton's Live with two laptops running in concert. Bernhard also is a beautiful player who I only met and became friends with at this year's Loopstock. He is really doing very interseting things with the EDP and effects. At one point the two of us had a really interesting and vibrating couple of loops synced that used substitute insert techniques with falsetto voice (mine) and Bernhard's guitar. It was really unsual sounding and really changed a lot as we played. I was really thankful for Matthias Grob's invention of brother sync on this one. I was also thankful that Bernhard taped the whole thing and that Scoots took photographs. Perhaps if we get enough time (and that will be a big IF) we may post some of this material to the website: nosuch.biz/Y2K4. I was tired from how hard I've been working getting the festival together but playing with these fine and truly gifted/unique musicians felt like take a refreshing bath and I feel really energized and excited about the weekend gig ahead of us. Tomorrow, we see if we can get the simulcast up and running for the Weekend shows and Sunao, Bernhard and the Scoots man himself, Michael Klobuchar play the opening Santa Cruz concert. We got excellent press coverage ( we are on the front page of the Sentinel today with a large article inside) and excellent radio coverage so I"m hoping that we'll have a good draw for the weekend. We had a nice draw in S.F. tonight, the best response to the Thursday night luggage store series that they've had, according to promoter/fellow looper Matt Davignon, who's own set of manipulated drum machines is eagearly awaited on Saturday at 4:30 p.m. Matt's putting the finishing touches on his new CD featuring some of the material from this phase he is in, creatively...........I've heard it live and it is fascinating and beautiful and really unique. Check it out. More to come. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 05:50:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i989hpT01690; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:43:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:43:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <71F9CF7D-190E-11D9-B4C5-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Today's photos uploaded Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:43:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:22, Sunao Inami wrote > Hi, > > we did gig in Luggage Store in San Francisco,photos uploaded below. > http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1007/ > also, my solo performance in yesterday is below, > http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1006/ > > Thanks > > Sunao Thank you, Sunao. Very much appreciated. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 06:37:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i98AYqv07907; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:34:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:34:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041008103426.64898.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 03:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RMC Pickups Yairi WY1RR synth ready acoustic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007001c4ad1b$523713c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, ive been considering installing RMC pickups on my acoustics (steel and nylon) so i can have access to my roland synth guitar.There are guitars like the godins with this systems built in but i want to be able to also drum on the guitar and get all the normal acoustic nuances you cannot get with a godin. My question is: does anybody have experiences with this pickups installed in their favorite acoustics and has anybody tried the Yairi WY1RR synth ready acoustic? thanx Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Y2K4 mini diary first installment: > > Well, it feels funny writing a review of the > first night of the Y2K4 festival at the Luggage > Store in San Francisco > as I was one of the members of the live looping > improv trio > with Sunao Inami and Bernhard Wagner but I had such > a good time > and the response was so nice by the good crowd that > attended > that I wanted to let everyone know that we're off to > a good start. > At one point I just stopped playing and marvelled at > the fact that here > I was sharing the stage with someone from Kobe, > Japan and Zurich, > Switzerland. > Maybe not a big deal to some, but it filled me > with wonder and I felt > really happy for the first time in several days of > neurotic last minute > detailing of the > rest of the festival; this and the fact that > Michael Klobuchar, Stan Card, > Matt Davignon, > Dina Emerson, Tim Thompson and Rent Romus were all > in the audience listening > appreciatively. > > Sunao, Bernhard and I all have such disparate styles > musically that I > thought it > might not be a cohesive performance but I was really > pleasantly surprised > by how cohesive the long 45 minute improv was. We > went to a lot of places > and had a lot of synchronous playing despite the > fact that only Bernhard and > I were brother synced with our EDP. It was abstract > at times: ambient and > dark > at others and we occasionally coalesced into some > funk rhythmic material. > It was a nice contrast to the fascinating > glitch/noise group form Berlin > that opened up > the night. > > Sunao has such a beautiful sense of timbre and > deftly manipulated his sound > creations > in Native Instruments Reaktor and Ableton's Live > with two laptops running in > concert. > Bernhard also is a beautiful player who I only met > and became friends with > at this year's > Loopstock. He is really doing very interseting > things with the EDP and > effects. > > At one point the two of us had a really interesting > and vibrating couple of > loops synced that used > substitute insert techniques with falsetto voice > (mine) and Bernhard's > guitar. It was really > unsual sounding and really changed a lot as we > played. I was really > thankful for Matthias > Grob's invention of brother sync on this one. I was > also thankful that > Bernhard taped the whole > thing and that Scoots took photographs. Perhaps if > we get enough time (and > that will be a big IF) > we may post some of this material to the website: > nosuch.biz/Y2K4. > > I was tired from how hard I've been working getting > the festival together > but playing with > these fine and truly gifted/unique musicians felt > like take a refreshing > bath and I feel > really energized and excited about the weekend gig > ahead of us. > > Tomorrow, we see if we can get the simulcast up and > running for the Weekend > shows > and Sunao, Bernhard and the Scoots man himself, > Michael Klobuchar play the > opening > Santa Cruz concert. We got excellent press > coverage ( we are on the front > page of the > Sentinel today with a large article inside) and > excellent radio coverage so > I"m hoping > that we'll have a good draw for the weekend. We > had a nice draw in S.F. > tonight, the best > response to the Thursday night luggage store series > that they've had, > according to promoter/fellow looper > Matt Davignon, who's own set of manipulated drum > machines is eagearly > awaited on Saturday at > 4:30 p.m. Matt's putting the finishing touches on > his new CD featuring > some of the material from this phase > he is in, creatively...........I've heard it live > and it is fascinating and > beautiful and really unique. Check it out. > > More to come. Rick > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 13:07:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i98Gxvv02284; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:59:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:59:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4AD58.2B065104" Subject: OT - mp3 sites Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7038C5866@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT - mp3 sites Thread-Index: AcStWCsVFO93xGlnShWeuK0rbi6bhQ== From: "Alen Cileli" To: "Loopers-Delight \(E-mail\)" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4AD58.2B065104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Does anyone know of a good site that would allow users to upload = homemade mp3's to the web and make them accessible for free to the = public? I'm envisioning a site that charges artists for a certain amount = of webspace on which they can post mp3s, and also have control over = adding and removing files from that space.... Thanks, Alen ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4AD58.2B065104 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT - mp3 sites

Hi everyone,
Does anyone know of a good site that = would allow users to upload homemade mp3's to the web and make them = accessible for free to the public? I'm envisioning a site that charges = artists for a certain amount of webspace on which they can post mp3s, = and also have control over adding and removing files from that = space....

Thanks,
Alen








------_=_NextPart_001_01C4AD58.2B065104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 13:43:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i98HfiI08489; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:41:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:41:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <8689ad1f04100810393c3d1e21@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:39 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - mp3 sites In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7038C5866@bioebe.biotek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7038C5866@bioebe.biotek.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.mp3.com/ http://www.clearchannelnewmusicnetwork.com/ http://www.iuma.com/ On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:59:26 -0400, Alen Cileli wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > Does anyone know of a good site that would allow users to upload homemade > mp3's to the web and make them accessible for free to the public? I'm > envisioning a site that charges artists for a certain amount of webspace on > which they can post mp3s, and also have control over adding and removing > files from that space.... > > Thanks, > Alen > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 15:31:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i98JSXR24205; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:28:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: OT - mp3 sites Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:26:52 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c4ad6c$c6122e50$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4AD32.19B5C750" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7038C5866@bioebe.biotek.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4AD32.19B5C750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you don't want to go with a specific 'music' site, it sounds like you might like a FTP/Web Hosting company. I've had really good luck with: www.powweb.com it works out to about $8 per month, and you have a huge storage capacity and bandwidth allocation. You can setup FTP folders and access for a large amount of people, the files can be accessed via a web browser, and you have complete control. Hope that helps. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:59 AM To: Loopers-Delight (E-mail) Subject: OT - mp3 sites Hi everyone, Does anyone know of a good site that would allow users to upload homemade mp3's to the web and make them accessible for free to the public? I'm envisioning a site that charges artists for a certain amount of webspace on which they can post mp3s, and also have control over adding and removing files from that space.... Thanks, Alen __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4AD32.19B5C750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT - mp3 sites

If you don’t want to go with a specific ‘music’ site, it = sounds like you might like a FTP/Web Hosting = company…

 

I’ve had really good luck = with:

 

www.powweb.com

 

it<= /span> works out to about $8 per month, and you have a huge = storage capacity and bandwidth allocation.  You can setup FTP folders and access for a large amount of people, the files = can be accessed via a web browser, and you have complete = control.

 

Hope that = helps.

 

Rich

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Alen Cileli [mailto:Cilelia@BioTek.com]
Sent: Friday, October 08, = 2004 9:59 AM
To: Loopers-Delight = (E-mail)
Subject: OT - mp3 = sites

 

Hi everyone,
Does anyone know of a good site that would allow users to upload homemade = mp3's to the web and make them accessible for free to the public? I'm envisioning = a site that charges artists for a certain amount of webspace on which they can = post mp3s, and also have control over adding and removing files from that = space....

Thanks,
Alen










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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C4AD32.19B5C750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 15:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i98Ji8c26216; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: RE: y2k4: 1st night SF Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:44:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007001c4ad1b$523713c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:36:44 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.123.181 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Y2K4 mini diary first installment man, I'm so envious :-) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de, too far away From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 15:53:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i98JmfG26885; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:48:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:48:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Alen Cileli" Cc: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: OT - mp3 sites Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:49:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4AD80.B3E49E20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7038C5866@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:41:23 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.123.181 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4AD80.B3E49E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OT - mp3 sites>Does anyone know of a good site that would allow users to upload homemade mp3's to the web I have the best experience with Soundclick. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4AD80.B3E49E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT - mp3 sites
>Does anyone know of a good site = that would=20 allow users to upload homemade mp3's to the web  
 
 
I have the best experience with=20 Soundclick.
 
 
-Michael
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C4AD80.B3E49E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 19:28:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i98NP2s21310; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:25:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 19:25:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:24:19 -0400 Subject: There in spirit if not form From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3180108260_2977548" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3180108260_2977548 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Regretfully, I have had to cancel my trip to the West Coast and appearance at Y2K4. But I am there in spirit. -- ghost7 http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com --B_3180108260_2977548 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable There in spirit if not form Regretfully, I have had to cancel my trip to the West = Coast and appearance at Y2K4.

But I am there in spirit.

--
ghost7
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--B_3180108260_2977548-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 8 20:11:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9907tq26798; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:07:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 20:07:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:09:17 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lexicon MPX R1 MIDI remote controller (foot pedal) forsale Message-ID: <98558179.1097255357@[192.168.1.101]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.1 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey guys, I just bought an MPX G2 and MPX R1 together on eBay. I need the G2, but I don't need the R1 foot pedal. I'm offer the foot pedal here first since I know that many of you use Lexicon boxes. This pedal board has a myriad of switches and a foot pedal with toe switch. It was especially designed to be used with the G2 and the MPX 1, but it works with any MIDI controlled effects box. Click here for Lexicon's information on this product: http://www.lexiconpro.com/mpxr1/index.asp This one that I have is in excellent condition. After I received it, I plugged it in and verified that it sent MIDI commands. I am including the power supply for the pedal board. I would like to receive $350 for this. If you are interested, please reply to this email. Thanks, Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 03:24:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i997GoE12174; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:16:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:16:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008901c4adcf$cf619190$0134ff3e@j8i7l0> From: "gareth whittock" To: References: <007001c4ad1b$523713c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: 1st night SF Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:15:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great stuff Rick. All power to your elbow my friend. Missing you people. Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 12:09:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i99G6xV04993; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:06:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:06:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:06:24 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: photo of 8th uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Questionmark Gallery's photo available below, http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1008/ Thanks! Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 13:08:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i99H4x112644; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:04:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:04:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4AE32.A7BB8A20@dyn-83-157-146-77.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: photo of 8th uploaded Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:03:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4AE32.A7C4B1E0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4AE32.A7C4B1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks for posting the pictures Sunao,=20 it's great to see people and imagine the music Francois check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Sunao Inami [SMTP:webmaster@cavestudio.com] Date: samedi 9 octobre 2004 18:06 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: photo of 8th uploaded Hi, Questionmark Gallery's photo available below, http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1008/ Thanks! 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At 07:40 PM 10-6-2004, you wrote: >Mayor Scott Kennedy of the city of Santa Cruz, California >has declared Saturday, October 9th to be >International Live Looping Day in the city of Santa Cruz. > >The mayor is in the middle east doing international peace work this week >so ex-mayor and city council person Emilly Reilly will make a formal >presentation to the featured artists of the Y2K4 Live Looping Festival >this coming Saturday evening at 6:50 p.m., >right before the beginning of the evening concert. > >We hope you can make it. > >Also, many loopers from around the world who have been unable to >make the festival have recorded shoutouts to >the performers and spectators and we'll be playing them >in between acts on Saturday and Sunday. > >In addition, Etheric Networks with the audio help of Bernhard Wagner >will be INTERNET SIMULCASTING the audio of the entire main festival >on Saturday and Sunday between noon and midnight PST >while all 50+ assembled live loopers will be performing. > >We are getting this together at the last minute but we'll post here >for where you can go to hear the concert as soon as we know everything's >working. > >Hope to see some of you at the festival. Please come up and say hi and >introduce yourselves >if we haven't met in person before. Loop on, everyone! > --=======D6C2F4F=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 16:25:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i99KMlB32686; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:22:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:22:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:24:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 17:41:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i99LYx709357; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:34:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:34:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:37:37 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c4ae48$32c73190$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey, just listening to the webcast - and I've been your sole guy "somewhere in the world" listening! Really great to have this webcast, if only to blame myself for not coming... Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Samstag, 9. Oktober 2004 22:25 > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: webcast Y2K4 > > > http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. > > Bernhard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 18:46:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i99Mfrx17052; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:41:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <17150961.1097361690407.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:41:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Are-Jay Hoffmann Reply-To: Are-Jay Hoffmann To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: bad news for me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- From: "loop.pool" Sent: Oct 8, 2004 3:43 AM To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" hey Rick, i regret to inform you that due to circumstances beyond my control, i will be unable to preform this evening at Y2K4. my slot was at 10:30. thank you so much for accepting me into the fest, i apologize for any inconvenience, and i hope i can somehow make up for this in the future. Are-Jay Hoffmann electronic fretless bass-n-violinist/looper/drummer/erhu experiMENTAList San Diego, CA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 21:13:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9A1Ape32193; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:10:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:10:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007d01c4ae67$daca6be0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:24:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I click on "Listen" at http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4, I don't get anything. I chose pc. Winamp opens. I can hit "Play" and choose the option of "Streaming Media" or whatever, but no sound, (and no prolonged Internet connecting activity, as far as I can tell). I'm on DSL. I know this is vague description, but any tips appreciated...I'd like to get a little 'virtual ear' in Santa Cruz, for International Live Looping Day!! ||:David:|| ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: webcast Y2K4 > http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. > > Bernhard > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 22:16:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9A2Cf106605; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:12:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:12:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:14:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: <9t8NYB.A.9lB.ypJaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 9 22:17:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9A2Dct06833; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:13:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:13:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:16:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <007d01c4ae67$daca6be0$0200a8c0@audiows> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi David I updated the page with explanations. I hope they're useful. Otherwise keep complaining! Though I don't know if I can reply today ... busy listening ... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2004 03:24 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 > > > When I click on "Listen" at http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4, I don't get > anything. I > chose pc. Winamp opens. I can hit "Play" and choose the option of > "Streaming Media" or whatever, but no sound, (and no prolonged Internet > connecting activity, as far as I can tell). I'm on DSL. > > I know this is vague description, but any tips appreciated...I'd > like to get > a little 'virtual ear' in Santa Cruz, for International Live Looping Day!! > > ||:David:|| > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Wagner" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:24 PM > Subject: webcast Y2K4 > > > > http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. > > > > Bernhard > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 10:31:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AERU920968; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:27:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:27:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.162.163.27] X-Originating-Email: [writeheini@hotmail.com] X-Sender: writeheini@hotmail.com From: "Mark Heinrich" To: Subject: sync problems with multiple loops (Echoplex) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:26:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2004 14:27:01.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[34D3F670:01C4AED5] Resent-Message-ID: <7GIynB.A.cGF.7aUaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been syncing my Echoplex (slave) to my Alesis SR16 drumcomputer (master) and with a single loop it works like a charm. But as soon as I use more than one loop with the Next Loop function, problems start. Even though the Next Switch parameter is set to Loop and the loops are recorded just fine, when I make a transition from loop 1 to loop 2 with the Next Loop function, the sync may become offset. The funny thing is, this offset happens irregularly. Sometimes there is no offset, sometimes the offset seems to be a 16th, sometimes an 8th. I have read in the manual that each loop has its own local MIDI time but if Quant is set to cycle and SwitchQuant is set to loop, there should be no reason for this offset since the switch should happen exactly on the "1" of the next loop which is also the "1" of the drumcomputer. Does anybody have an idea what is causing this and how to remedy it? I have tried the ReAlign function but strangely it doesn't always work as it should, sometimes putting the local starting point on the drumcomputer's "4" instead on the "1", sometimes changing nothing at all. Thanks Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 11:08:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AEtja24572; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:55:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:55:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:56:36 -0400 Subject: How hardy is your EDP? From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Tyd8.A.1-F.S1UaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm using my EDP a lot lately, and have been thinking about buying another one just to have one hand in case it goes on the blink - but I'm reluctant to spend the money - Was wondering if people had any feedback about the necessity of this -- I have to say I've had mine for several years and except for pedal problems the unit seems built like a horse - then again you never know -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 11:35:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AFTKK29050; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:29:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:29:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1B136DD4-1AD1-11D9-8233-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice, new CD (Seattle) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:28:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two acoustic guitar looping shows this week: Oct. 12, Tuesday, 7-9PM Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) Oct, 16 Saturday, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Ave N) There's a new CD available, taken from the KSER performance in September. MP3's of the show are now available on my website. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 11:53:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AFl4e02722; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:47:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:47:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:47:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have two (older blond faced variety) and they seem very hardy. The memory chips have "walked" out of the sockets on occasion but that's about it. Granted I gig somewhat infrequently but I do drag them around a fair amount (jams, rehearsals, and infrequent gigs). On Oct 10, 2004, at 9:56 AM, steve.sandberg wrote: > I'm using my EDP a lot lately, and have been thinking about buying > another > one just to have one hand in case it goes on the blink - > but I'm reluctant to spend the money - > Was wondering if people had any feedback about the necessity of this -- > I have to say I've had mine for several years and except for pedal > problems > the unit seems built like a horse - > then again you never know -- > > -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 12:30:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AGRiX09453; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:27:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:27:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.162.162.18] X-Originating-Email: [writeheini@hotmail.com] X-Sender: writeheini@hotmail.com From: "Mark Heinrich" To: References: Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:26:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2004 16:27:01.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[F854B020:01C4AEE5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have had the EDP for a few months now and I'm more concerned about the pedal than the unit itself. What kind of pedal problems did you run into and were you able to repair it? Mark > I'm using my EDP a lot lately, and have been thinking about buying another > one just to have one hand in case it goes on the blink - > but I'm reluctant to spend the money - > Was wondering if people had any feedback about the necessity of this -- > I have to say I've had mine for several years and except for pedal problems > the unit seems built like a horse - > then again you never know -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 13:00:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AGqP712773; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:52:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:52:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kenh@topic.net@pop.topic.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5LzDhB.A.MHD.4iWaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Steve wrote: >I'm using my EDP a lot lately, and have been thinking about buying another >one just to have one hand in case it goes on the blink - >but I'm reluctant to spend the money - >Was wondering if people had any feedback about the necessity of this -- >I have to say I've had mine for several years and except for pedal problems >the unit seems built like a horse - >then again you never know -- Well, another reason to buy a "spare" is to use it live for true stereo processing and looping. That way you can have two completely separate channels, and if you play a multi-voice instrument (ala Stick) then you can have Bass/Melody sides processed individually. Or just true L/R stereo... Then if your "main" one ever fails, at least you still can work/play in mono with the "spare" unit. That said, they're really pretty hardy. I agree that the pedal units are much more likely to give you trouble. You can sync them, too, as you probably know. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 13:11:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AH75d14119; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:06:46 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Y2K4 photos uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, 1st day of Y2K4 photos uploaded! http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1009/ Thanks! Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 14:27:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AIQY722468; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:26:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:26:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [151.205.122.246] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How HISSY is your EDP? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:25:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2004 18:26:02.0493 (UTC) FILETIME=[98FA12D0:01C4AEF6] Resent-Message-ID: <6aHNZ.A.PeF.B7XaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Does anyone know if the new blackface edps sound any better or does installing Loop4 help w/ hiss. It kind of bums me out that my EH 16 box & that Boss box have less noise :( Thanks LOU >From: Ken Higgins >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:03 -0700 > >Steve wrote: > >>I'm using my EDP a lot lately, and have been thinking about buying another >>one just to have one hand in case it goes on the blink - >>but I'm reluctant to spend the money - >>Was wondering if people had any feedback about the necessity of this -- >>I have to say I've had mine for several years and except for pedal >>problems >>the unit seems built like a horse - >>then again you never know -- > >Well, another reason to buy a "spare" is to use it live for true stereo >processing and looping. That way you can have two completely separate >channels, >and if you play a multi-voice instrument (ala Stick) then you can have >Bass/Melody >sides processed individually. Or just true L/R stereo... > >Then if your "main" one ever fails, at least you still can work/play in >mono >with the "spare" unit. > >That said, they're really pretty hardy. I agree that the pedal units are >much >more likely to give you trouble. > >You can sync them, too, as you probably know. > >Ken > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 14:48:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AIkes25201; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:46:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:46:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.117.171.149] X-Originating-Email: [dayverinton@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dayverinton@hotmail.com From: "day verinton" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new to this Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:45:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2004 18:46:00.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[6340FE30:01C4AEF9] Resent-Message-ID: <-lUICC.A.SFG.vNYaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com any recomendations for a mac programme for making loops from cd's?it's for use later on live4.thanks _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 15:44:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AJaap30454; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:36:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:36:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:35:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 sec... its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for lovely Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes place... like audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow - but full listening would be much better :-) Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... Thank you for working it out anyway, Ben! and thank you for the photos, Sunao! and Rick for making it all happen!! have fun! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 15:54:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AJpjs32575; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:51:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:51:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 04:51:20 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9RGsNC.A.W8H.-KZaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi$B!!(BMatthias Thank you for sending feedback! After the current set I will reduce from 128 to 96kbit. Please keep trying and let us know. Bernhard At 4:35 PM -0300 04.10.10, Matthias Grob wrote: >I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 sec... > >its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for >lovely Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes >place... like audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow - >but full listening would be much better :-) > >Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... > >Thank you for working it out anyway, Ben! >and thank you for the photos, Sunao! >and Rick for making it all happen!! > >have fun! >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 15:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AJkXv31982; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041010124014.016a43c8@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:46:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Same problem here - using a cable modem with excellent bandwidth. At 12:35 PM 2004.10.10, Matthias Grob wrote: >I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 sec... > >its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for lovely >Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes place... like >audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow - but full listening >would be much better :-) > >Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 16:02:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AJtkA01122; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:55:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:55:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41699165.4020509@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:41 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Although it might not be in my best interest to do this, especially if I ever want to sell off an EDP, but I need to report that I've had my first EDP problem, and it's bumming me out big time. I own 2 EDPs, and one of them is occasionally going nuts. After a few loop creations and resets, I'll get pieces of old loops magically appearing in my current loop, the feedback light goes red, and then I even get some exploding digital white noise splattered in. This just happens, with no particular event or series of events that cause it. I've tried cleaning and reseating ALL of the chips that are removable, new memory, and putting the EDP in a different place in my signal and MIDI chain. Nothing is working... it still happens almost every time I play (and will certainly happen anytime I play more than 30-40 minutes). I'm about to contact Shane Radke and send it to the hospital. I'm bummed :( :( Anyone else ever see this kind of behavior with their EDP? Doug steve.sandberg wrote: >I'm using my EDP a lot lately, and have been thinking about buying another >one just to have one hand in case it goes on the blink - >but I'm reluctant to spend the money - >Was wondering if people had any feedback about the necessity of this -- >I have to say I've had mine for several years and except for pedal problems >the unit seems built like a horse - >then again you never know -- > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 16:26:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AKPeQ04297; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:25:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:25:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041010212014.02823cd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:25:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Webcast Y2K4 In-Reply-To: <200410101508.i9AF8Ae26385@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410101508.i9AF8Ae26385@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. HEY Bernhard, if you get this before the cast is over, can you drop the bandwidth ? ...as much as possible ;-( andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 16:29:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AKRre04727; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:27:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:27:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002201c4af07$8659a3f0$23bc8e45@user0jd9dje1rf> From: "Sempai" To: "Alen Cileli" Cc: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: Re: OT - mp3 sites Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:24:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4AEE5.8D853E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4AEE5.8D853E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT - mp3 sitesThere are many sites. The ones IMHO that are best are: Soundclick Broadjam music.download.com Those probably get the most traffic and offer EXTRAs to help get you exposure. HTH, Sempai =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.SonicShockrecords.com Home of Dance Enforcement Authority (DEA) It's all Good. It's all Digital !! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Alen Cileli=20 Cc: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 3:49 PM Subject: RE: OT - mp3 sites >Does anyone know of a good site that would allow users to upload = homemade mp3's to the web =20 I have the best experience with Soundclick. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4AEE5.8D853E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT - mp3 sites
There are many sites.  The ones = IMHO that are=20 best are:
Soundclick
Broadjam
music.download.com
 
Those probably get the most traffic and = offer=20 EXTRAs to help
get you exposure.
 
HTH,
 
Sempai
 
 
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= ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4AEE5.8D853E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 16:33:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AKTwm05098; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:29:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:29:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:32:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c4af08$55362ef0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias, try using Winamp for listening - I have the same problem you describe with Quintessential Player now (i.e. since yesterday evening Festival time); when I use Winamp, after the stream drops, it simply loops the last 3 seconds or so...that's loop of a loop (?) Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2004 21:36 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 > > > I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, > hear 3 sec... > > its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for > lovely Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes > place... like audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow - > but full listening would be much better :-) > > Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... > > Thank you for working it out anyway, Ben! > and thank you for the photos, Sunao! > and Rick for making it all happen!! > > have fun! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 16:34:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AKTID04946; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:29:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:29:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041010131708.016c1318@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:29:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Definitely an improvement for me. Still getting some dropouts - but now able to hear much more. At 12:51 PM 2004.10.10, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi$B!!(BMatthias > >Thank you for sending feedback! > >After the current set I will reduce from 128 to 96kbit. > >Please keep trying and let us know. > >Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 16:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AKekH06894; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:40:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:40:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <01C4AF1A.01C1B8E0@dyn-83-157-143-150.ppp.tiscali.fr> From: F Lebrun To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:39:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C4AF1A.01C95A00" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01C4AF1A.01C95A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Matthias,=20 I had the same problem yesterday night, (ADSL here too); the sound was too choppy, but SF to Paris is a long way to go and the Net is very busy... it seems a little bit better tonight yet not quite flowing (some music, = then 2/4 secs silence, etc etc) but yes, for sure I can hear loops and people clapping hands and enough to know that it was Daniel Thomas and I liked what he played :-) great ! Francois check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times -----Message d'origine----- De: Matthias Grob [SMTP:matthias@grob.org] Date: dimanche 10 octobre 2004 21:36 =C0: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet: RE: webcast Y2K4 I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 = sec... its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for=20 lovely Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes=20 place... like audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow -=20 but full listening would be much better :-) Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... 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Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:51:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:51:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41699E5E.904@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:41:02 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Please, please, please turn down the bandwidth as low as it will go? :) I wasn't to HEAR it, I don't care if it's lo-fi! I sang along to the Paul Simon tune!!!! (was getting decent throughput at that point, but it's still very choppy at 96) And... is thing going to be archived?? Great job guys! Doug Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi$B!!(BMatthias > > Thank you for sending feedback! > > After the current set I will reduce from 128 to 96kbit. > > Please keep trying and let us know. > > Bernhard > > > At 4:35 PM -0300 04.10.10, Matthias Grob wrote: > >> I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 >> sec... >> >> its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for >> lovely Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes >> place... like audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow - >> but full listening would be much better :-) >> >> Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... >> >> Thank you for working it out anyway, Ben! >> and thank you for the photos, Sunao! >> and Rick for making it all happen!! >> >> have fun! >> -- >> >> >> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 17:00:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AKvtD08849; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041010212014.02823cd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200410101508.i9AF8Ae26385@hemlock.violacea.com> <6.1.2.0.0.20041010212014.02823cd0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:57:18 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re:Webcast Y2K4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi , we changed bit rate, now is 64k. last time is 96k,and yesterday was 128k. please try to connect again... thanks Sunao At 9:25 PM +0100 04.10.10, a k butler wrote: >>http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. > >HEY Bernhard, > >if you get this before the cast is over, >can you drop the bandwidth ? > >...as much as possible ;-( > >andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 17:09:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AL7iX09835; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:07:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:07:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <58CB2234-1B00-11D9-9503-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:07:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <2oxJMB.A.3YC.DSaaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 10, 2004, at 21:35, Matthias Grob wrote: > I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 > sec... Same here. Here's dancing in sloooo-mooooo like the trancey dwarf in Twin Peaks.... ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 17:15:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AL8Dg09922; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:08:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:08:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041010220435.02820eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:07:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re:Webcast Y2K4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >http://nosuch.biz/Y2K4 now contains the link to the webcast. HEY Bernhard, if you get this before the cast is over, can you drop the bandwidth ? ...as much as possible ;-( hmmm, dropped to 96kbps, but still big problems. How about mono? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 17:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ALP4m14115; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:25:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:25:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:26:56 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <58CB2234-1B00-11D9-9503-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:17:39 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.125.80 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com better than an hour ago, but still mostly nothing for half a minute ... then a couple of seconds of _something_ ... then nothing ... not exactly a _smooth_ ride :-) thanks bunches for your efforts anyway, greatly appreciated ... best wishes ... michael peters, germany www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 18:03:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ALuLp17505; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:56:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:56:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041010225257.027ec460@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:55:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Webcast Problems In-Reply-To: <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 22:15 10/10/04, you wrote: >Hi , > >we changed bit rate, now is 64k. >last time is 96k,and yesterday was 128k. > >please try to connect again... > > thanks > > Sunao Thanks for that. I'm still seeing 96k on Winamp on reconnection. Suggest mono andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 18:59:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9AMvPQ24147; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:57:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:57:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20041010155623.01595b18@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:57:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re:Webcast Problems In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20041010225257.027ec460@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com likewise - both in winamp and at http://64.191.194.110:8000/ At 02:55 PM 2004.10.10, a k butler wrote: >I'm still seeing 96k on Winamp on reconnection. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 19:15:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ANEdI25988; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20041010155623.01595b18@mail02.powweb.com> References: <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041010155623.01595b18@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C4B4390-1B12-11D9-997E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Webcast Problems Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:14:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <8zaUbD.A.ZVG.QJcaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody! I could here something!!!! 96 kbps partially coming through, then "network stalled". But the genre in iTunes said "live looping". That's cool. Thank's! All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 19:28:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ANNXX26965; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:23:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:23:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1C4B4390-1B12-11D9-997E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041010155623.01595b18@mail02.powweb.com> <1C4B4390-1B12-11D9-997E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D755712-1B13-11D9-997E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Webcast Problems Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:23:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 11, 2004, at 1:14, Per Boysen wrote: > > I could here something!!!! 96 kbps.... 8< 8< 8< 8< ehm... of course I meant that I could HEAR it, but doing it HERE as opposed to THERE which is where the noise is being made ;-) Been looking at online pix so far, thanks a lot! All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 19:47:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ANeQf29398; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:40:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:40:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1C4B4390-1B12-11D9-997E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041010155623.01595b18@mail02.powweb.com> <1C4B4390-1B12-11D9-997E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:40:05 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Webcast Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi also please try it by Real Player. File menu>Open Location rtsp://64.191.194.110:8000 and please setup your connection speed on preference. I think big buffer is better,please set lower than your connection.. Bernhard is playing now! and after that we will have dinner break for 90 min. thanks Sunao At 1:14 AM +0200 04.10.11, Per Boysen wrote: >Hi Everybody! > >I could here something!!!! 96 kbps partially coming through, then >"network stalled". But the genre in iTunes said "live looping". >That's cool. Thank's! > >All the best > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.looproom.com (international) >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 20:04:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B03ZD31922; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:03:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:03:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008001c4af27$acfa59d0$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <200410102115.i9ALFes11236@hemlock.violacea.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041010155623.01595b18@mail02.powweb.com> <1C4B4390-1B12-11D9-997E-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Webcast Problems Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:17:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <30JYbC.A.eyH.I3caBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sunao must have meant http://64.191.194.110:8000 rather than rtsp://64.191.194.110:8000 It does seem to load nicely on RealPlayer, but (for me, at this point anyway) not really working any better. Exciting technology...I know they'll have it wired in Y2K5! Dav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Webcast Problems > Hi > > also please try it by Real Player. > > File menu>Open Location > rtsp://64.191.194.110:8000 > > and please setup your connection speed on preference. > I think big buffer is better,please set lower than your connection.. > > Bernhard is playing now! > and after that we will have dinner break for 90 min. > > thanks > > Sunao > > At 1:14 AM +0200 04.10.11, Per Boysen wrote: > >Hi Everybody! > > > >I could here something!!!! 96 kbps partially coming through, then > >"network stalled". But the genre in iTunes said "live looping". > >That's cool. Thank's! > > > >All the best > > > >Per Boysen > >--- > >http://www.looproom.com (international) > >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 20:15:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B0AvQ00380; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:10:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:10:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008601c4af28$b707c970$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: Subject: Re: Webcast Problems Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:24:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I spoke too soon about " not really working any better," 'cause it is! I'm getting longer "bursts" of sound, and (important), I can slide the location thingy back, and just listen to what's already come in (over a minute's worth). Nice. Maybe I'll just let it sit for a while, and come back to some extended magical sounds! Hmmm...I have the volume way up, and the "You have mail" sound just came thru the speakers and ...killed my ears! Thanks, Davd ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Webcast Problems > Sunao must have meant http://64.191.194.110:8000 > > rather than rtsp://64.191.194.110:8000 > > It does seem to load nicely on RealPlayer, but (for me, at this point > anyway) not really working any better. > > Exciting technology...I know they'll have it wired in Y2K5! > > Dav > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sunao Inami" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: Webcast Problems > > > > Hi > > > > also please try it by Real Player. > > > > File menu>Open Location > > rtsp://64.191.194.110:8000 > > > > and please setup your connection speed on preference. > > I think big buffer is better,please set lower than your connection.. > > > > Bernhard is playing now! > > and after that we will have dinner break for 90 min. > > > > thanks > > > > Sunao > > > > At 1:14 AM +0200 04.10.11, Per Boysen wrote: > > >Hi Everybody! > > > > > >I could here something!!!! 96 kbps partially coming through, then > > >"network stalled". 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--0-921235644-1097456665=:58840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 10 23:45:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B3gv920249; Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:42:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:42:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Webcast Problems Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:42:19 -0600 Message-ID: <001f01c4af44$52a18310$6901a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <008001c4af27$acfa59d0$0200a8c0@audiows> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey folks...I just got home from my 12 hour drive from Santa Cruz, and I'm listening now. Sounds good! Krispen -----Original Message----- From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Webcast Problems Sunao must have meant http://64.191.194.110:8000 rather than rtsp://64.191.194.110:8000 It does seem to load nicely on RealPlayer, but (for me, at this point anyway) not really working any better. Exciting technology...I know they'll have it wired in Y2K5! Dav ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Webcast Problems > Hi > > also please try it by Real Player. > > File menu>Open Location > rtsp://64.191.194.110:8000 > > and please setup your connection speed on preference. > I think big buffer is better,please set lower than your connection.. > > Bernhard is playing now! > and after that we will have dinner break for 90 min. > > thanks > > Sunao > > At 1:14 AM +0200 04.10.11, Per Boysen wrote: > >Hi Everybody! > > > >I could here something!!!! 96 kbps partially coming through, then > >"network stalled". But the genre in iTunes said "live looping". > >That's cool. Thank's! > > > >All the best > > > >Per Boysen > >--- > >http://www.looproom.com (international) > >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 01:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B5fTU30448; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:41:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:41:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1C5C0F26-1B48-11D9-8233-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:40:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I seem to remember someone reporting a process ("bug") that would cause the "bits of everything you've looped since power up or reset" to appear, but I'm not having any luck finding in the archives. I think it had to do with a lot of multiply and undo commands, but Kim will probably chime in here with the skinny. The white noise thing sounds like a problem though. Shane should be able to help you out with that. Over the years I've had two EDP's that were DOA which were immediately replaced (this was quite some time ago) and one which was sort of wonky either right out of the box or soon thereafter (again, many years ago). Other than that, I haven't had any trouble with multiple units from (I think) all eras of production. Some are louder than others, some are hissier, but that's about it. Travis Hartnett ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:45:41 -0500 From: Doug Cox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? Although it might not be in my best interest to do this, especially if I ever want to sell off an EDP, but I need to report that I've had my first EDP problem, and it's bumming me out big time. I own 2 EDPs, and one of them is occasionally going nuts. After a few loop creations and resets, I'll get pieces of old loops magically appearing in my current loop, the feedback light goes red, and then I even get some exploding digital white noise splattered in. This just happens, with no particular event or series of events that cause it. I've tried cleaning and reseating ALL of the chips that are removable, new memory, and putting the EDP in a different place in my signal and MIDI chain. Nothing is working... it still happens almost every time I play (and will certainly happen anytime I play more than 30-40 minutes). I'm about to contact Shane Radke and send it to the hospital. I'm bummed :( :( Anyone else ever see this kind of behavior with their EDP? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 01:51:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B5nNT31242; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:49:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:49:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 9aed87afb9697eadcfad40c13d82f1a8 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:48:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 / Brasil market loop sample! Cc: Sunao Inami , Bernhard Wagner Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8HbZCD.A.knH.W7haBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >HiÅ@Matthias > >Thank you for sending feedback! wait, I will give a real feedback! Giba and me just had our best concert so far, with Danilo Santana on Keyboards In half an hour or so, I will make sound samples available, maybe you can play them to the crowd somehow. I feel sure no one did anything in this direction in your place. Its real Brasil heavy dancing crowd bush crazyness!. The first time in my live I let myself go and screamed into the mic :-) and in a break I spoke about the Sta Cruz Loop event (just listening to it) And Giba sais now: "we want to have such a meeting here too!" And he starts a Berimbao loop :-) >After the current set I will reduce from 128 to 96kbit. well guess how much this changes... the sound bits are now 10sec long :-) But I heard Rick say: "can some looper be a mic stand please?" and then "this is the best comunity in the world!" LOL! so it was worth the effort, Ben, thank you! hearts rule Matthias > >At 4:35 PM -0300 04.10.10, Matthias Grob wrote: >>I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 sec... >> >>its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for >>lovely Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes >>place... like audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow - >>but full listening would be much better :-) >> >>Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... >> >>Thank you for working it out anyway, Ben! >>and thank you for the photos, Sunao! >>and Rick for making it all happen!! >> >>have fun! >>-- -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 02:34:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B6VlD02717; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:31:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:31:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:31:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: FeiraDasArtes Salvador Bahia sound samples Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3c77cB.A.Kq.BjiaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com here the first two bits, I will keep adding the next hour... http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/FeiraDasArtes%20Salvador%20Bahia/ sorry for the spaces in the directory name, hope it works... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 03:36:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B7T9T08332; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:29:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:29:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041011072832.24328.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: sync problems with multiple loops (Echoplex) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <7yc7XD.A.5AC.lYjaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Another feature that doesn´t work too consistently is the feedback "Safe Mode" when i work with my sampler i often have to set the BPM before i start and i often forget to set the feedback knob back to its full position,then my loops start to fade out ups.. anybody having this too? Luis --- Mark Heinrich wrote: > I've been syncing my Echoplex (slave) to my Alesis > SR16 drumcomputer > (master) and with a single loop it works like a > charm. But as soon as I use > more than one loop with the Next Loop function, > problems start. Even though > the Next Switch parameter is set to Loop and the > loops are recorded just > fine, when I make a transition from loop 1 to loop 2 > with the Next Loop > function, the sync may become offset. > > The funny thing is, this offset happens irregularly. > Sometimes there is no > offset, sometimes the offset seems to be a 16th, > sometimes an 8th. I have > read in the manual that each loop has its own local > MIDI time but if Quant > is set to cycle and SwitchQuant is set to loop, > there should be no reason > for this offset since the switch should happen > exactly on the "1" of the > next loop which is also the "1" of the drumcomputer. > > Does anybody have an idea what is causing this and > how to remedy it? I have > tried the ReAlign function but strangely it doesn't > always work as it > should, sometimes putting the local starting point > on the drumcomputer's "4" > instead on the "1", sometimes changing nothing at > all. > > Thanks > Mark > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 04:43:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9B8aT614289; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 04:36:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 04:36:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.162.162.18] X-Originating-Email: [writeheini@hotmail.com] X-Sender: writeheini@hotmail.com From: "Mark Heinrich" To: References: Subject: Re: sync problems with multiple loops (Echoplex) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:35:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2004 08:36:00.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[564BA2B0:01C4AF6D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is keeping multiple loops aligned really a problem with the Echoplex? I was assuming I had set some parameters wrong causing the offset mentioned below. I want to record and play multiple loops to which the drummer plays with a click. If the loops are not aligned correctly the parts will be off a 16th or even an 8th note, rendering multiple loops useless for band purposes. I have tried MIDI-sync and Beat-sync with the same bad results. Someone please tell me this can be done. Matthias? Thanks Mark > I've been syncing my Echoplex (slave) to my Alesis SR16 drumcomputer > (master) and with a single loop it works like a charm. But as soon as I use > more than one loop with the Next Loop function, problems start. Even though > the Next Switch parameter is set to Loop and the loops are recorded just > fine, when I make a transition from loop 1 to loop 2 with the Next Loop > function, the sync may become offset. > > The funny thing is, this offset happens irregularly. Sometimes there is no > offset, sometimes the offset seems to be a 16th, sometimes an 8th. I have > read in the manual that each loop has its own local MIDI time but if Quant > is set to cycle and SwitchQuant is set to loop, there should be no reason > for this offset since the switch should happen exactly on the "1" of the > next loop which is also the "1" of the drumcomputer. > > Does anybody have an idea what is causing this and how to remedy it? I have > tried the ReAlign function but strangely it doesn't always work as it > should, sometimes putting the local starting point on the drumcomputer's "4" > instead on the "1", sometimes changing nothing at all. > > Thanks > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 07:02:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BAvnk26498; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:57:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 06:57:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:04:55 +1000 Subject: Re: How HISSY is your EDP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: cameronstreet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <37C50E92-1AAC-11D9-9BD0-0030656ECA5E@optusnet.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mine is quiet as, it took me ages to find the correct gain structures, between pedals echoplex and amp ect. these days though i'm running my echoplex through one channel of a LittleLabs reamping box, it has 3 channels which don't infect the other hiss ect. nice unit On Monday, October 11, 2004, at 04:25 AM, Louis Rossi wrote: > Does anyone know if the new blackface edps sound any better or does > installing Loop4 help w/ hiss. > It kind of bums me out that my EH 16 box & that Boss box have less > noise :( > Thanks > LOU > > >> From: Ken Higgins >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: How hardy is your EDP? >> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:52:03 -0700 >> >> Steve wrote: >> >>> I'm using my EDP a lot lately, and have been thinking about buying >>> another >>> one just to have one hand in case it goes on the blink - >>> but I'm reluctant to spend the money - >>> Was wondering if people had any feedback about the necessity of >>> this -- >>> I have to say I've had mine for several years and except for pedal >>> problems >>> the unit seems built like a horse - >>> then again you never know -- >> >> Well, another reason to buy a "spare" is to use it live for true stereo >> processing and looping. That way you can have two completely separate >> channels, >> and if you play a multi-voice instrument (ala Stick) then you can have >> Bass/Melody >> sides processed individually. Or just true L/R stereo... >> >> Then if your "main" one ever fails, at least you still can work/play >> in mono >> with the "spare" unit. >> >> That said, they're really pretty hardy. I agree that the pedal units >> are much >> more likely to give you trouble. >> >> You can sync them, too, as you probably know. >> >> Ken >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 09:44:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BDclq09062; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:38:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:38:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.43] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: International Live Looping Day: Saturday, October 9th Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:37:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2004 13:38:01.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[871E5110:01C4AF97] Resent-Message-ID: <6PfVVD.A.ALC.AzoaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com

Hey all !!!

I have been pretty busy this week and was kind of feeling like I had missed out on all the fun,

Then I got a call from "The Source" a little club here in Carlisle England, they said that their regular act had just cancelled and asked how quickly I could come up witha gig, I said that I would manage something for saturday and had a few frantic days of pinting posters, ringing friends and generally sorting stuff out..........On the Saturday night I played on a cute rather dark stage to just over fifty people, many of them close friends, others who had just turned up out of the blue, it was International Live Looping Day and I cant tell you how proud I was to be doing my bit at this side of the atlantic.

 I was really bummed that I had not had the finances to make it over to the biggie in Santa Cruz, but I think this was a really nice evenings concilation price.

I have minidisked the gig and at some point I will try to get them to my download site.

Hope you all had  really great time whereever ou where looping.

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

Download my FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface


Fed up of receiving junk e-mail? Find out how to deal with spam here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 10:50:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BEe5S15565; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:40:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:40:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007901c4afa2$1a0cdd70$0200a8c0@audiows> From: ".David.Auker." To: References: Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 / Brasil market loop sample! Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:53:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Giba and me just had our best > concert so far, with Danilo Santana on Keyboards > In half an hour or so, I will make sound samples available, Matthias, Nice stuff - thanks for sharing! (I played a few notes on my keyboard along with you guys on the 5.mp3 ! Nice g minor soundbed!) I just saw this quote that should fit nicely: Dance first. Think later. It's the natural order. - Samuel Beckett ||:David:|| ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Cc: "Sunao Inami" ; "Bernhard Wagner" Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:48 PM Subject: RE: webcast Y2K4 / Brasil market loop sample! > >HiÅ@Matthias > > > >Thank you for sending feedback! > > wait, I will give a real feedback! Giba and me just had our best > concert so far, with Danilo Santana on Keyboards > In half an hour or so, I will make sound samples available, maybe you > can play them to the crowd somehow. I feel sure no one did anything > in this direction in your place. Its real Brasil heavy dancing crowd > bush crazyness!. > The first time in my live I let myself go and screamed into the mic :-) > > and in a break I spoke about the Sta Cruz Loop event (just listening to it) > And Giba sais now: "we want to have such a meeting here too!" > And he starts a Berimbao loop :-) > > >After the current set I will reduce from 128 to 96kbit. > > well guess how much this changes... the sound bits are now 10sec long :-) > But I heard Rick say: "can some looper be a mic stand please?" and > then "this is the best comunity in the world!" > LOL! > > so it was worth the effort, Ben, thank you! > hearts rule > Matthias > > > > >At 4:35 PM -0300 04.10.10, Matthias Grob wrote: > >>I get it here, but far to slow. I hear 4 sec, wait a minute, hear 3 sec... > >> > >>its just about enough to see that it really happens, to long for > >>lovely Ricks voice and get an idea roughly what kind of music takes > >>place... like audio thumbnails you cannot click on... fun somehow - > >>but full listening would be much better :-) > >> > >>Am I the only one with this problem? I have ADSL here... > >> > >>Thank you for working it out anyway, Ben! > >>and thank you for the photos, Sunao! > >>and Rick for making it all happen!! > >> > >>have fun! > >>-- > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 11:03:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BEw4J18464; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:58:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:58:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Y2K4 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ahhhhhhhh, it is 7:22 a.m. in the morning and I feel really sad because I just drove Sunao to the airporter bus to start his long trip home. Sunao, Hans Lindauer, George Demarest, Scoots Galore..............errrrr Michael Klobuchar, Bill Walker, Nancy and Chris (our partners) and I stayed up late (4 a.m.) celebrating and decompressing from four days of looping in public. Putting this particular festival every year is an exhausting affair but I find mind self exhilirated and full of creativity at the end of Y2K4. This year I had more selfless help from more people than I"ve ever experienced: from Bernhard Wagner's ceaseless enthusiasm and attention to detail with the website and liason with Etheric Networks (the simulcast bandwidth providers) all the way down to switching between the stereo chords from the two stages every 30 minutes for almost 24 hours of continuous music to Ted Killian's constant revisions of the beautiful poster and festival's four page brochure (as well as his many stints manning the merchandicing table) to Chris Cohn's excellent managing of both stages (damn, I hardly had to use the '5 minutes' sign on any artists this year because Chris was so on top of it all) and meticulous detailing of the venue when we closed it down to all the door and merchandising managing by Matt Davignon, Michael Klobuchan, Hans Lindauer and everyone else who manned that post to the photographic documenting by Mark Hamburg, Sunao and the half dozen other snapshot taking loopers. It was really a wonderful festival this year. Honestly, I went into it a little bit burned out (from other things in my life) and not very full of inspiration and 96 hours later I am tired but surprisingly turned on by all I saw and heard. I feel like I learned a lot from the users of every piece of looping gear that I use (and I own EDPs, the Repeater, DL-4s and Ableton's LIVE) and can't wait to try them out in my next live looping excursion. I also agree with my brother (and several other people we talked to) that this year was the first time that we could see laptop/software oriented live looping as a really viable alternative to the great hardware boxes that exist. Andrew Chaikin's (Kid Beyond) brilliant performance singlehandedly accomplished that paradigm shift . What he did with his voice, a mic, Ableton's Live and a sophisticated midi footpedal was nothing short of astonishing. There were several artists, though, besides him who used that exciting software effectively. I can't wait for that company to add '1st loop capability' to their already robust suite of software looping functions. That being said and done, my mind keeps being blown by the sophisticated uses of both the EDP and the Repeater that I saw. Relative newcomer Bernhard Wagner had my brother and I entranced with his 'sub' 'insert' work on the EDP and my brother continues to astonish me with his innovative use of arpeggio driven pitched loops in the Repeater. There were also impressive uses of proprietary software by Amar, Warren Sirota and Wayne Jackson.........I can't wait to check all of that out after I've slept for about a week but then there was the just wonderfully deft and natural use of older technology like Gary Regina's fantastic set with the old Lexicon Jammans and Michael Klobuchars transparent work with his Boomerang (or the 'Rang' as he calls it). Still and all, as George Demarest so deftly put it, "Good musicianship trumps bad looping gear" every time and the musicality of this festival was at an all time high. Well, I'm wasted and going to go and grab a few winks before the Annual Loopers Lunceon at 1 p.m. at the Catalyst but I just wanted to say thanks to every one involved for a great experience. Newcomer (only to this community but a looper for a long time) Bob Rice and I confessed to each other that we were both verklempt when Council person Emily Reilly presented the "International Live Looping" placards to featured artists Bernhard, Michael, Ted and Headliner Sunao on Saturday evening. "This is so cool," he said to me, "I"ve been doing this for 20 years in my home and to discover that this community exists is really wonderful." Our community rocks and I feel really grateful to have been able to hang and listen to so many wonderful looping artists. All right............I'm out a here. R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 11:22:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BFGKt21096; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:16:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:16:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A3A0FD8-1B98-11D9-BFDA-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: for kim flint Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:14:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dude! You are a fine humored guy! I later found out that you wrote the manual I was ragging on. Well, it is a horror but thanks anyway. It has been a constant companion for the last few weeks as I read it in futile attempt to make sense out of the curious language, pretentious quasi compositional references and free association. Read Andre Breton? In any case be well and keep good humor. I'll learn the unit and with my compositional skills, make a whole world of hurt with the units. Funny thing though, I left the units in Santa Cruz, got back to Fresno (The Grapes of Wrath in a Hot Tub) and realized that intuition prevails. Emailed the incomparable Rick Walker and he has it under control. he suggested that I sell them to Europe but I really want to get into the masturbatory self aggrandizement of being a looper so I'll keep them. Happy Trails, Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 12:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BFwnC25107; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:58:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:58:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410111503.i9BF3wa19482@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410111503.i9BF3wa19482@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <56858AFA-1B9E-11D9-8233-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: How HISSY is your EDP? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:58:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The problem I've struggled with more is getting unity gain out of some of the EDP's (although this is a problem with a lot of digital gear). My EDP's are always in some sort of mixer, usually a Rane SM-26, and once you get the input level dialed in for maximum volume without overloading, then it's hard to make up the volume drop on the back end. There's always plenty of room for adjustment on the input (which never goes above halfway that I recall), but the output on one of my units is always on max, and the mixer return typically has to be all the way up also. TravisH On Oct 11, 2004, at 8:03 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: cameronstreet > Date: October 10, 2004 4:04:55 AM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: How HISSY is your EDP? > > > Mine is quiet as, it took me ages to find the correct gain structures, > between pedals echoplex and amp ect. > these days though i'm running my echoplex through one channel of a > LittleLabs reamping > box, it has 3 channels which don't infect the other hiss ect. nice unit > > On Monday, October 11, 2004, at 04:25 AM, Louis Rossi wrote: > >> Does anyone know if the new blackface edps sound any better or does >> installing Loop4 help w/ hiss. >> It kind of bums me out that my EH 16 box & that Boss box have less >> noise :( >> Thanks >> LOU From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 12:14:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BFwSw25087; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:58:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:58:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: f29430b531993f7a5b16b08d6178c0cf Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007901c4afa2$1a0cdd70$0200a8c0@audiows> References: <007901c4afa2$1a0cdd70$0200a8c0@audiows> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:54:05 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 / Brasil market loop sample! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you! I put up the rest and changed the name of the directory: http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/FeiraDasArtes the first two pieces also followed 3 ladies of the local circus fire spining. the last (7) was over the top, I started a speed I could not hold... but the second part was fun anyway... its for the first time that I am using my voice, and it works! did not loop it yet... Danilo Santana we had only met once in a short session, but he is amazingly flexible. Its important for me to play with people that dont ask what key we are in, dont stop when things are not quite defined, dont mind to fluently change key or beat when its time... I think even if it does not change quite perfectly, its better than staying the same all the way... :-) over all its amazing how things turn out new each time... also because of circumstances... the main idea of this event was to sell art work, so we did not feel like searching for deep music. > >Giba and me just had our best >> concert so far, with Danilo Santana on Keyboards >> In half an hour or so, I will make sound samples available, > >Matthias, Nice stuff - thanks for sharing! (I played a few notes on my >keyboard along with you guys on the 5.mp3 ! Nice g minor soundbed!) > >I just saw this quote that should fit nicely: > > Dance first. Think later. It's the natural order. > - Samuel Beckett > >||:David:|| -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 12:31:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BGL0L28387; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:21:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:21:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <007901c4afa2$1a0cdd70$0200a8c0@audiows> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <738F1312-1BA1-11D9-A9AE-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 / Brasil market loop sample! Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:20:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 11, 2004, at 17:54, Matthias Grob wrote: > http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/FeiraDasArtes Nice clips! I enjoyed listening ;-) > the last (7) was over the top, I started a speed I could not hold... > but the second part was fun anyway... great live feel there! > Danilo Santana we had only met once in a short session, but he is > amazingly flexible. Its important for me to play with people that dont > ask what key we are in, dont stop when things are not quite defined, > dont mind to fluently change key or beat when its time... I think even > if it does not change quite perfectly, its better than staying the > same all the way... :-) He plays a very nice piano part in the late mid section of song 5! I like it when the underlying chord structure is just ripped away like you you're doing there. You did nice chromatic walking on the guitar behind the piano stuff. Also nice to add long guitar solo notes behind the piano solo. A very explosive and inspiring part of the jam IMHO! All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 12:51:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BGaOd31260; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:36:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:36:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: still making my footpedal- help Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:34:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2644_36c4_10f3" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2004 16:35:03.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[428BA750:01C4AFB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2644_36c4_10f3 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi again all of you crazy loopers I posted a while ago asking for help in making m own EDP foot controlers, i know it was a busy time for many of you so i was not suprised when i didnt get a response. since then i have managed to source some actual DL-4 buttons which i th type I like the feel of the most and have made a metal case ro rhe size I think i will need for eight buttons and a volume control. however I need help on getting the resistors QUESTION1 can anyone point me to a ebsite with th actual resistor values i need I cant find a SINGLE website that has for instance a 1% metal film resistor with a value of 14.3K ohms or indeed any of te other values, I also asked a local elecrician who said he had never even heard of a 0% resistor. QUESTION2 Is there any chance I could contact the repair place for EDPs and their controllers here in the uk and get them to send me one of each of the seven resistor values and a couple of the jack connectors for whatever they want to charge??? QUESTION 3 Instead of a footpedal I would like to add a knob similar to the one found on the fromt panel, to the side of my homemade pedal to control feedback, as I understand all i need is a potentiometer of 20K or above and a plastic knob to cover the end of it that pokes out of the footpedal, I then attach this potentiometer to a jack a the other end and connect this to the edp with aregular cable, is this true?? well I hope someone here can help me out. I am in a bit of a pickle as to how to move forward otherwise. all replys greatfully recieved Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------=_NextPart_000_2644_36c4_10f3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Message-Info: StaYHEBmGBrDZhT0tqpAKccO6ZkfGjxirTcb+rJPHqA= Received: from mc3-f15.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.151]) by mc3-s3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:40:36 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc3-f15.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:40:35 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i94CcBf05926; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:38:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:38:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.41] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: making my footpedal Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:37:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2004 12:38:03.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDA96E20:01C4AA0E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Hi all

I know this is probably a bad time for long tech questions given that many of you will be jetting off to the loopstock fest (sob sob cant go) BUT  i just wanted to get some other heads togeather over the building of my replacement for the FC-7 for the EDP.

 

Basically I have envisioned a pedal with the usual 7 buttons but this time in two rows with nice line 6 type metal buttons.

I then thought I could add a eighth button that links to another jack that will go to the overdub jack of the edp and be momentary (is this possible, i.e. to have regular stomp ON stomp OFF overdub throught the regular Footpeadal jack and a momentary type non latching one going to the overdub jack.????)

Am I right in thinking that if this can be done, then this second overdub switch should be a          0 Ohms  resistor and a non latching switch????

I then also wanted to add a rotary pot as a dial on the side of the unit , this will be linked to another jack and cabled to the EDP feedback pedal IN.

I know there is a lot of info on the looper_delight website regards building, however when i go to my electronics store they ask me questions that i dont know.

for instance, some of the resistor Ohms ratings are very specific, my local dealer only seems so stock "regular" near values , will these work.

also the guide says that i need 1% metal film, i can get this but there seems to be lots of differant ratings 0.25 , 5 etc anyonw know which i need?

also when buying the jacks for putting the cables in, is there any specifi type? there seem to be some with more arm type things then others....

 

basically if anyone can see more or less where i am going with this any thinks they can give me a list of excactly what i need, i will be forever in their debt.

 

cheers

Phill Wilson 



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Click here for a FREE trial! ------=_NextPart_000_2644_36c4_10f3-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 13:17:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BHC7C03791; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:12:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:12:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: still making my footpedal- help Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:10:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c4afb5$3aa32bd0$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Phill, There isn't actually a UK repair centre as Shane in the US takes care of worldwide Gibson repair, but send me your address and I'll post you a couple of sets of these resistors, Regards, Andy. -----Original Message----- From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 October 2004 17:35 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: still making my footpedal- help Hi again all of you crazy loopers I posted a while ago asking for help in making m own EDP foot controlers, i know it was a busy time for many of you so i was not suprised when i didnt get a response. since then i have managed to source some actual DL-4 buttons which i th type I like the feel of the most and have made a metal case ro rhe size I think i will need for eight buttons and a volume control. however I need help on getting the resistors QUESTION1 can anyone point me to a ebsite with th actual resistor values i need I cant find a SINGLE website that has for instance a 1% metal film resistor with a value of 14.3K ohms or indeed any of te other values, I also asked a local elecrician who said he had never even heard of a 0% resistor. QUESTION2 Is there any chance I could contact the repair place for EDPs and their controllers here in the uk and get them to send me one of each of the seven resistor values and a couple of the jack connectors for whatever they want to charge??? QUESTION 3 Instead of a footpedal I would like to add a knob similar to the one found on the fromt panel, to the side of my homemade pedal to control feedback, as I understand all i need is a potentiometer of 20K or above and a plastic knob to cover the end of it that pokes out of the footpedal, I then attach this potentiometer to a jack a the other end and connect this to the edp with aregular cable, is this true?? well I hope someone here can help me out. I am in a bit of a pickle as to how to move forward otherwise. all replys greatfully recieved Phill Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 13:19:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BHA8B03534; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:10:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:10:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: still making my footpedal- help Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 19:11:27 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c4afb5$5a309050$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <60zKZ.A.G1.M4raBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Phill, as I do usually in my day-time job (consultant), I won't give you a solution, but tell you how to come by one by yourself: (specific resistor values) The available values for resistors depend on the E-series for resistors. They tell you which values are there per decade. They are called E1 (one value per decade, namely 1) to E192 (192 values per decade). The most commonly used is the E12 series, which gives you 10, 12, 15, 18, 22, 27, 33, 39, 47, 56, 68 and 82 (and tenfold multiples and divisions thereof). (Details: http://www.logwell.com/tech/components/resistor_values.html) The 14.3 value is contained in the E96 and E192 series; as an example for a metal film resistor with a 1% tolerance and the availability of a E92 series take the Vishay Draloric SMA/MK series (www.vishay.com). (0 ohm resistors) 0 ohm resistors are used when in a circuit design, different resistance values or a shortcut should be possible in a certain position. This normally applies only for either high-volume production design (the devices putting in the resistors can't just solder in a piece of wire as an alternative) or very special circuit designs (high-precision or high-frequency), where the specific properties of the resistor apart from its ohmic resistanc play a major role. What I do not understand is why you would need one in your application and could not just use a piece of wire... But if you really want one, they are special parts (i.e. not contained in the usual resistor series), but usually available from all manufacturers. Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de > -----Original Message----- > From: lol c [mailto:testtubemicro@hotmail.com] > Sent: Montag, 11. Oktober 2004 18:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: still making my footpedal- help > > > > > Hi again all of you crazy loopers > > I posted a while ago asking for help in making m own EDP foot > controlers, i > know it was a busy time for many of you so i was not suprised > when i didnt > get a response. > > since then i have managed to source some actual DL-4 buttons > which i th type > I like the feel of the most and have made a metal case ro rhe > size I think i > will need for eight buttons and a volume control. > > however I need help on getting the resistors > QUESTION1 > can anyone point me to a ebsite with th actual resistor > values i need I cant > find a SINGLE website that has for instance a 1% metal film > resistor with a > value of 14.3K ohms or indeed any of te other values, I also > asked a local > elecrician who said he had never even heard of a 0% resistor. > > QUESTION2 > Is there any chance I could contact the repair place for EDPs > and their > controllers here in the uk and get them to send me one of > each of the seven > resistor values and a couple of the jack connectors for > whatever they want > to charge??? > > QUESTION 3 > Instead of a footpedal I would like to add a knob similar to > the one found > on the fromt panel, to the side of my homemade pedal to > control feedback, as > I understand all i need is a potentiometer of 20K or above > and a plastic > knob to cover the end of it that pokes out of the footpedal, > I then attach > this potentiometer to a jack a the other end and connect this > to the edp > with aregular cable, is this true?? > > well I hope someone here can help me out. I am in a bit of a > pickle as to > how to move forward otherwise. > > > all replys greatfully recieved > > Phill Wilson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 13:31:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BHSEw06515; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:28:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:28:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1CH3xg3vis-000590@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: still making my footpedal- help Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:27:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSvshOIJP/ARKoXT9i1T25qFJjCHwABVWWw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wow, this is a great idea. A knob sticking out from the side of the EDP pedal (maybe with a rubber grip?) that I can move with my feet...hmmm...if you have any more advancements in this, let me know- I'd like to try it! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > QUESTION 3 > Instead of a footpedal I would like to add a knob similar to > the one found on the fromt panel, to the side of my homemade > pedal to control feedback, as I understand all i need is a > potentiometer of 20K or above and a plastic knob to cover the > end of it that pokes out of the footpedal, I then attach this > potentiometer to a jack a the other end and connect this to > the edp with aregular cable, is this true?? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 13:58:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BHtBD09427; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:55:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:55:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:26:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: *SPAM* *SPAM* still making my footpedal- help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Hi again all of you crazy loopers > >I posted a while ago asking for help in making m own EDP foot >controlers, i know it was a busy time for many of you so i was not >suprised when i didnt get a response. > >since then i have managed to source some actual DL-4 buttons which i >th type I like the feel of the most and have made a metal case ro >rhe size I think i will need for eight buttons and a volume control. > >however I need help on getting the resistors >QUESTION1 >can anyone point me to a ebsite with th actual resistor values i >need I cant find a SINGLE website that has for instance a 1% metal >film resistor with a value of 14.3K ohms or indeed any of te other >values, they are not that critical. use 15k metal film is not important. 1% is recommended and usually is metal film. >I also asked a local elecrician who said he had never even heard of >a 0% resistor. neither I :-) where did you hear it? there are 0Ohm resistors, a form of jumpers, for automatic cirquit mounting, but you dont need those :-) > >QUESTION 3 >Instead of a footpedal I would like to add a knob similar to the one >found on the fromt panel, to the side of my homemade pedal to >control feedback, as I understand all i need is a potentiometer of >20K or above and a plastic knob to cover the end of it that pokes >out of the footpedal, I then attach this potentiometer to a jack a >the other end and connect this to the edp with aregular cable, is >this true?? yes being that usually a 10k pot works better. If you are very unlucky, it does not go to 127 though. > >Basically I have envisioned a pedal with the usual 7 buttons but >this time in two rows with nice line 6 type metal buttons. > >I then thought I could add a eighth button that links to another >jack that will go to the overdub jack of the edp and be momentary >(is this possible, i.e. to have regular stomp ON stomp OFF overdub >throught the regular Footpeadal jack and a momentary type non >latching one going to the overdub jack.????) no, sorry... the OverdubMute parameter works for both simultaneously. through MIDI it would be possible >Am I right in thinking that if this can be done, then this second >overdub switch should be a 0 Ohms resistor and a non >latching switch???? > >I then also wanted to add a rotary pot as a dial on the side of the >unit , this will be linked to another jack and cabled to the EDP >feedback pedal IN. consider a slider (fader)! >I know there is a lot of info on the looper_delight website regards >building, however when i go to my electronics store they ask me >questions that i dont know. > >for instance, some of the resistor Ohms ratings are very specific, >my local dealer only seems so stock "regular" near values , will >these work. they will >also the guide says that i need 1% metal film, i can get this but >there seems to be lots of differant ratings 0.25 , 5 etc anyonw know >which i need? well, better (smaller) than 1% tollerance is always good! >also when buying the jacks for putting the cables in, is there any >specifi type? there seem to be some with more arm type things then >others.... the most simple is enough! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 14:02:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BHwLH10101; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:58:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:58:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:57:56 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: 10th Photos uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am in SF airport now, and I just uploaded 2nd day of Y2K4 photos below. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/events/bayarea2004/1010/ I will leave US after 2hours.. Thanks! Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 14:02:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BHt9m09425; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:55:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:55:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <738F1312-1BA1-11D9-A9AE-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <007901c4afa2$1a0cdd70$0200a8c0@audiows> <738F1312-1BA1-11D9-A9AE-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:36:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: webcast Y2K4 / Brasil market loop sample! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com thank you for this feedback, Per! even before I used loops, I was lazy to repeat stuff. now even more. in other words, as soon as I am not using loops, I play mostly irregular. it may represent a lack of (personal) stability or simply: practicing. but when someone can deal with it, its interesting... >On Oct 11, 2004, at 17:54, Matthias Grob wrote: >>http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/ppSound/FeiraDasArtes > >Nice clips! I enjoyed listening ;-) > >>the last (7) was over the top, I started a speed I could not >>hold... but the second part was fun anyway... > >great live feel there! > >>Danilo Santana we had only met once in a short session, but he is >>amazingly flexible. Its important for me to play with people that >>dont ask what key we are in, dont stop when things are not quite >>defined, dont mind to fluently change key or beat when its time... >>I think even if it does not change quite perfectly, its better than >>staying the same all the way... :-) > >He plays a very nice piano part in the late mid section of song 5! I >like it when the underlying chord structure is just ripped away like >you you're doing there. You did nice chromatic walking on the guitar >behind the piano stuff. Also nice to add long guitar solo notes >behind the piano solo. A very explosive and inspiring part of the >jam IMHO! > >All the best > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.looproom.com (international) >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 14:19:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BIBC812147; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K4 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:12:11 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:02:53 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.120.171 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > All right............I'm out a here. R. even though I wasn't there I felt connected, by getting in between status reports, and Sunao's photos, and a webcast that I'm sure will work flawlessly next time. :-) About the photos: they are great but it would be way cool if they had a legend with them, so I'd know who is who. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 14:29:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BIIvx13036; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:18:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:18:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <416ACEAD.6020602@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:19:25 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fcb 1010 (Behringer) basic set up for edp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, a friend has bought an Edp and a Fcb 1010. Does anyone have a basic Fcd 1010 set up to manage the basic controls on the edp (record, overdub, etc.etc.) ? I think there could be a file to share if someone is using this: http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditor.htm Thanks. Luca. p.s. I was having both a joy and happiness feeling while seeing all the Y2k4 reports. I really wished I could be there (as many other european loopers). You did a great job. Does anyone know a certain Sir Rick Walker ? I've been told he is about to be renamed Rick Runner.... Ciao a tutti. a hug to all of you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 18:39:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9BMbMl10975; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:37:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:37:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041007014817.LXSE8184.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> References: <20041007014817.LXSE8184.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@MusicComputer> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:37:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Looping and Meditative States, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <-zDMSB.A.soC.6rwaBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com since this seems to be the main purpose of music, I wonder why musicians dont care more to learn about states of mind... >there was a gorgeous, tall, dancer, whom they said had just come >from Africa, and they told me to just play some tom-tom rhythms, >while She was doing Her solo dancing. That was the last I >remembered, until the MC came over and shook me while I was playing, >and told me to stop playing, or else I would "kill" the girl. >Apparently, She had been dancing all the time I was playing, and was >soaking wet, as I suppose, I was too. what, you managed to not look at her?? :-) and she made you trance... >Today, we would probably call that Trance, and not meditation. great, but whats the difference? can this be expressed with brain freqencies or so? but I think its similar somehow. I observe that people dance to electronic music for similar reasons as others go to church or meditate, no? >I once had a friend of mine ask me if I was ever "initiated". Since >he knew that I had been involved with meditation and spiritual >practices, I figured he was searching for something different, so I >told him this story. His reply was, Yes, you've been initiated all >right! > >I also remember a book I've read called "Samba" where this woman >went to Brazil to learn how to dance, and her female instructor told >her, after she was concerned that she was starting to sweat, Honey, >you don't even start to do Samba, until your body is totally covered >with sweat! being arround this daily, I must disagree. Samba can be very subtle. Its limited to the lower part of the body, mostly. Traditionally its danced by very old ladies at carnaval also... then again, in Rio you often get covered with sweat without doing anything :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 22:58:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9C2uIr08800; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:56:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:56:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <46.5a4138c1.2e9ca1b2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:55:46 EDT Subject: book review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <61FF9B.A.GJC.Af0aBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I recently came across a book at my local alt. bookstore, bought it and have been enjoying it so I thought it worth a mention. The book is: Audio Culture: Readings in Modern Music edited by Cox & Warner ISBN 0-8264-1615-2 paperback 454 pgs. It is an anthology of short writings by a variety of contributors: John Cage, Brian Eno, Pauline Oliveros, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Glenn Gould, Chris Cutler and many more. Organized into 2 main parts, Theory and Practice, the subsections include: Music and Its Others: Noise, Sound, Silence Modes of Listening Experimental Musics Improvised Musics Minimalisms DJ Culture Electronica Short bursts of ideas, concepts, opinions and perspectives that permit abrupt jumping around of topic, provoking thoughts and possibilities. Starting points and stepping stones, I am fond of these sorts of compilations, great for picking up and putting down at random moments. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 11 23:46:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9C3hKT14440; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:43:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:43:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:42:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Y2K4 From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3180382964_7121035" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3180382964_7121035 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Congratulations Rick and all who participated and attended: I can tell it was great energy and great music, and I felt the vibe even over here stuck on the East Coast. ghost 7 -- http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 d.ans@rcn.com on 10/11/04 10:57 AM, loop.pool at looppool@cruzio.com wrote: > Ahhhhhhhh, it is 7:22 a.m. in the morning and I feel really sad because I > just drove Sunao to the airporter bus to start his long trip home. > > Sunao, Hans Lindauer, George Demarest, Scoots Galore..............errrrr > Michael > Klobuchar, Bill Walker, Nancy and Chris (our partners) and I stayed up late > (4 a.m.) > celebrating and decompressing from four days of looping in public. > > Putting this particular festival every year is an exhausting affair but I > find mind self > exhilirated and full of creativity at the end of Y2K4. > > This year I had more selfless help from more people than I"ve ever > experienced: from > Bernhard Wagner's ceaseless enthusiasm and attention to detail with the > website and > liason with Etheric Networks (the simulcast bandwidth providers) all the way > down to > switching between the stereo chords from the two stages every 30 minutes for > almost > 24 hours of continuous music to Ted Killian's constant revisions of the > beautiful poster > and festival's four page brochure (as well as his many stints manning the > merchandicing table) > to Chris Cohn's excellent managing of both stages (damn, I hardly had to > use the '5 minutes' > sign on any artists this year because Chris was so on top of it all) and > meticulous detailing of > the venue when we closed it down to all the door and merchandising managing > by Matt Davignon, > Michael Klobuchan, Hans Lindauer and everyone else who manned that post to > the photographic > documenting by Mark Hamburg, Sunao and the half dozen other snapshot taking > loopers. > > It was really a wonderful festival this year. Honestly, I went into it a > little bit burned out (from other > things in my life) and not very full of inspiration and 96 hours later I am > tired but surprisingly > turned on by all I saw and heard. > > I feel like I learned a lot from the users of every piece of looping gear > that I use (and I own EDPs, the Repeater, DL-4s > and Ableton's LIVE) and can't wait to try them out in my next live looping > excursion. I also agree with my brother > (and several other people we talked to) that this year was the first time > that we could see laptop/software oriented > live looping as a really viable alternative to the great hardware boxes that > exist. Andrew Chaikin's (Kid Beyond) > brilliant performance singlehandedly accomplished that paradigm shift . > What he did with his voice, a mic, Ableton's Live > and a sophisticated midi footpedal was nothing short of astonishing. There > were several artists, though, besides him who used > that exciting software effectively. I can't wait for that company to add > '1st loop capability' to their already robust suite of > software looping functions. > > That being said and done, my mind keeps being blown by the sophisticated > uses of both the EDP and the Repeater that I saw. > Relative newcomer Bernhard Wagner had my brother and I entranced with his > 'sub' 'insert' work on the EDP and my brother > continues to astonish me with his innovative use of arpeggio driven pitched > loops in the Repeater. > > There were also impressive uses of proprietary software by Amar, Warren > Sirota and Wayne Jackson.........I can't wait to check all of that out > after I've slept for about a week but then there was the just wonderfully > deft and natural use of older technology like Gary Regina's fantastic set > with the old Lexicon Jammans and Michael Klobuchars transparent work with > his Boomerang (or the 'Rang' as he calls it). > > Still and all, as George Demarest so deftly put it, "Good musicianship > trumps bad looping gear" every time and the musicality of this festival > was at an all time high. > > Well, I'm wasted and going to go and grab a few winks before the Annual > Loopers Lunceon at 1 p.m. at the Catalyst but I just wanted to > say thanks to every one involved for a great experience. > > Newcomer (only to this community but a looper for a long time) Bob Rice and > I confessed to each other that we were both verklempt when Council person > Emily Reilly presented the "International Live Looping" placards to featured > artists Bernhard, Michael, Ted and Headliner Sunao on Saturday evening. > > "This is so cool," he said to me, "I"ve been doing this for 20 years in my > home and to discover that this community exists is really wonderful." > > Our community rocks and I feel really grateful to have been able to hang and > listen to so many wonderful looping artists. > > All right............I'm out a here. R. > > --B_3180382964_7121035 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K4
Congratulations Rick and all who participated and attended: I can tell it w= as great energy and great music, and I felt the vibe even over here stuck on= the East Coast.



ghost 7

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on 10/11/04 10:57 AM, loop.pool at looppool@cruzio.com wrote:

Ahhhhhhhh,   it is 7:22 a= .m. in the morning and I feel really sad because I
just drove Sunao to the airporter bus to start his long trip home.

Sunao, Hans Lindauer, George Demarest, Scoots Galore..............errrrr Michael
Klobuchar, Bill Walker, Nancy and Chris (our partners) and I stayed up late=
(4 a.m.)
celebrating and decompressing from four days of looping in public.

Putting this particular festival every year is an exhausting affair but I <= BR> find mind self
exhilirated and full of creativity at the end of Y2K4.

This year I had more selfless help from more people than I"ve ever experienced:   from
Bernhard Wagner's ceaseless enthusiasm and attention to detail with the website and
liason with Etheric Networks (the simulcast bandwidth providers) all the wa= y
down to
switching between the stereo chords from the two stages every 30 minutes fo= r
almost
24 hours of continuous music to Ted Killian's constant revisions of the beautiful poster
and festival's four page brochure (as well as his many stints manning the <= BR> merchandicing table)
to Chris Cohn's excellent managing of both stages (damn,  I hardly had= to
use the '5 minutes'
sign on any artists this year because Chris was so on top of it all) and meticulous detailing of
the venue when we closed it down to all the door and merchandising managing=
by Matt Davignon,
Michael Klobuchan, Hans Lindauer and everyone else who manned that post &nb= sp;to
the photographic
documenting by Mark Hamburg, Sunao and the half dozen other snapshot taking=
loopers.

It was really a wonderful festival this year.  Honestly, I went into i= t a
little bit burned out (from other
things in my life) and not very full of inspiration and 96 hours later I am=
tired but surprisingly
turned on by all I saw and heard.

I feel like I learned a lot from the users of every piece of looping gear <= BR> that I use (and I own EDPs, the Repeater, DL-4s
and Ableton's LIVE) and can't wait to try them out in my next live looping =
excursion.    I also agree with my brother
(and several other people we talked to) that this year was the first time <= BR> that we could see laptop/software oriented
live looping as a really viable alternative to the great hardware boxes tha= t
exist.    Andrew Chaikin's (Kid Beyond)
brilliant performance singlehandedly accomplished that paradigm shift . What he did with his voice, a mic, Ableton's Live
and a sophisticated midi footpedal was nothing short of astonishing.  =  There
were several artists, though, besides him who used
that exciting software effectively.     I can't wait fo= r that company to add
'1st loop capability' to their already robust suite of
software looping functions.

That being said and done, my mind keeps being blown by the sophisticated uses of both the EDP and the Repeater that I saw.
Relative newcomer Bernhard Wagner had my brother and I entranced with his <= BR> 'sub' 'insert' work on the EDP and my brother
continues to astonish me with his innovative use of arpeggio driven pitched=
loops in the Repeater.

There were also impressive uses of proprietary software by Amar, Warren Sirota and Wayne Jackson.........I can't wait to check all of that out
after I've slept for about a week but then there was the just wonderfully <= BR> deft and natural use of older technology like Gary Regina's fantastic set with the old Lexicon Jammans and Michael Klobuchars transparent work with <= BR> his Boomerang (or the 'Rang' as he calls it).

Still and all, as George Demarest so deftly put it,   "Good = musicianship
trumps bad looping gear" every time and the musicality of this festiva= l
was at an all time high.

Well,  I'm wasted and going to go and grab a few winks before the Annu= al
Loopers Lunceon at 1 p.m. at the Catalyst but I just wanted to
say thanks to every one involved for a great experience.

Newcomer (only to this community but a looper for a long time) Bob Rice and=
I confessed to each other that we  were both verklempt when Council pe= rson
Emily Reilly presented the "International Live Looping" placards = to featured
artists Bernhard, Michael, Ted and Headliner Sunao on Saturday evening.

"This is so cool,"  he said to me, "I"ve been doin= g this for 20 years in my
home and to discover that this community exists is really wonderful."<= BR>
Our community rocks and I feel really grateful to have been able to hang an= d
listen to so many wonderful looping artists.

All right............I'm out a here.    R.



--B_3180382964_7121035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 02:37:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9C6XmT01769; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:33:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:33:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.162.147.141] X-Originating-Email: [writeheini@hotmail.com] X-Sender: writeheini@hotmail.com From: "Mark Heinrich" To: References: Subject: Re: sync problems with multiple loops (Echoplex) - solution Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:32:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2004 06:33:01.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[520F27E0:01C4B025] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Took me a while but finally found the solution in the archives, will leave the reference below for those who have the same problem. Basically you need to use the TimeCopy function to copy the time signature of the previous loop to the new one. Many thanks to Kim Flint for providing the answer! http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDar...6/msg00453.html > I've been syncing my Echoplex (slave) to my Alesis SR16 drumcomputer > (master) and with a single loop it works like a charm. But as soon as I use > more than one loop with the Next Loop function, problems start. Even though > the Next Switch parameter is set to Loop and the loops are recorded just > fine, when I make a transition from loop 1 to loop 2 with the Next Loop > function, the sync may become offset. > > The funny thing is, this offset happens irregularly. Sometimes there is no > offset, sometimes the offset seems to be a 16th, sometimes an 8th. I have > read in the manual that each loop has its own local MIDI time but if Quant > is set to cycle and SwitchQuant is set to loop, there should be no reason > for this offset since the switch should happen exactly on the "1" of the > next loop which is also the "1" of the drumcomputer. > > Does anybody have an idea what is causing this and how to remedy it? I have > tried the ReAlign function but strangely it doesn't always work as it > should, sometimes putting the local starting point on the drumcomputer's "4" > instead on the "1", sometimes changing nothing at all. > > Thanks > Mark > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 03:10:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9C79IV04913; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041012000145.08d9dcf0@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:07:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: sync problems with multiple loops (Echoplex) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 07:26 AM 10/10/2004, Mark Heinrich wrote: >I've been syncing my Echoplex (slave) to my Alesis SR16 drumcomputer >(master) and with a single loop it works like a charm. But as soon as I use >more than one loop with the Next Loop function, problems start. Even though >the Next Switch parameter is set to Loop and the loops are recorded just >fine, when I make a transition from loop 1 to loop 2 with the Next Loop >function, the sync may become offset. Hi Mark- You didn't explain your parameter settings, but I'll guess that you are using AutoRecord? There is a known problem with AutoRecord and sync in that has the issues you describe. Fortunately, there is an easy alternative way to do the same thing using the more advanced TimeCopy function. In fact, TimeCopy is really a superset of what AutoRecord does, so it is probably the better option for recording multiple loops anyway. Plus it doesn't have the offset problem. This has been posted before. If you want the full details of how to use TimeCopy, try this link: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00453.html kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 03:28:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9C7PwZ06674; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:25:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:25:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041012000907.04b0ae70@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:19:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How HISSY is your EDP? In-Reply-To: <56858AFA-1B9E-11D9-8233-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200410111503.i9BF3wa19482@hemlock.violacea.com> <56858AFA-1B9E-11D9-8233-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 08:58 AM 10/11/2004, Travis Hartnett wrote: >The problem I've struggled with more is getting unity gain out of some of >the EDP's (although this is a problem with a lot of digital gear). >My EDP's are always in some sort of mixer, usually a Rane SM-26, and once >you get the input level dialed in for maximum volume without overloading, >then it's hard to make up the volume drop on the back end. There's always >plenty of room for adjustment on the input (which never goes above halfway >that I recall), but the output on one of my units is always on max, and >the mixer return typically has to be all the way up also. The old ones were quiet like that, and the input was very sensitive. You can fix the gain in it to be like the newer ones with a couple of resistor changes, if you are handy with a soldering iron (or know somebody who is). It is on the echoplex faq: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 03:35:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9C7TOe07216; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:29:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:29:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [217.162.147.141] X-Originating-Email: [writeheini@hotmail.com] X-Sender: writeheini@hotmail.com From: "Mark Heinrich" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041012000145.08d9dcf0@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: sync problems with multiple loops (Echoplex) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:28:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2741.2600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2004 07:29:01.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[24F17F80:01C4B02D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks Kim for sharing your knowledge! I had just found the discussion you mentioned in the archives. TimeCopy is indeed the solution I was looking for. Now off to further exploring. Mark > At 07:26 AM 10/10/2004, Mark Heinrich wrote: > >I've been syncing my Echoplex (slave) to my Alesis SR16 drumcomputer > >(master) and with a single loop it works like a charm. But as soon as I use > >more than one loop with the Next Loop function, problems start. Even though > >the Next Switch parameter is set to Loop and the loops are recorded just > >fine, when I make a transition from loop 1 to loop 2 with the Next Loop > >function, the sync may become offset. > > Hi Mark- > > You didn't explain your parameter settings, but I'll guess that you are > using AutoRecord? There is a known problem with AutoRecord and sync in that > has the issues you describe. Fortunately, there is an easy alternative way > to do the same thing using the more advanced TimeCopy function. In fact, > TimeCopy is really a superset of what AutoRecord does, so it is probably > the better option for recording multiple loops anyway. Plus it doesn't have > the offset problem. > > This has been posted before. If you want the full details of how to use > TimeCopy, try this link: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200406/msg00453.html > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 09:36:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CDSrB10008; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:28:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:28:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <000701c4afa2$a77daa90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:28:00 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Y2K4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <68x1p.A.abC.mv9aBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I am in Kobe now and I really enjoyed Y2K4 festival... Thank you so much Rick and all Y2K4 friends! Keep in touch Sunao At 7:57 AM -0700 04.10.11, loop.pool wrote: >Ahhhhhhhh, it is 7:22 a.m. in the morning and I feel really sad because I >just drove Sunao to the airporter bus to start his long trip home. > >Sunao, Hans Lindauer, George Demarest, Scoots >Galore..............errrrr Michael >Klobuchar, Bill Walker, Nancy and Chris (our partners) and I stayed >up late (4 a.m.) >celebrating and decompressing from four days of looping in public. > >Putting this particular festival every year is an exhausting affair >but I find mind self >exhilirated and full of creativity at the end of Y2K4. > >This year I had more selfless help from more people than I"ve ever >experienced: from >Bernhard Wagner's ceaseless enthusiasm and attention to detail with >the website and >liason with Etheric Networks (the simulcast bandwidth providers) all >the way down to >switching between the stereo chords from the two stages every 30 >minutes for almost >24 hours of continuous music to Ted Killian's constant revisions of >the beautiful poster >and festival's four page brochure (as well as his many stints >manning the merchandicing table) >to Chris Cohn's excellent managing of both stages (damn, I hardly >had to use the '5 minutes' >sign on any artists this year because Chris was so on top of it all) >and meticulous detailing of >the venue when we closed it down to all the door and merchandising >managing by Matt Davignon, >Michael Klobuchan, Hans Lindauer and everyone else who manned that >post to the photographic >documenting by Mark Hamburg, Sunao and the half dozen other snapshot >taking loopers. > >It was really a wonderful festival this year. Honestly, I went into >it a little bit burned out (from other >things in my life) and not very full of inspiration and 96 hours >later I am tired but surprisingly >turned on by all I saw and heard. > >I feel like I learned a lot from the users of every piece of looping >gear that I use (and I own EDPs, the Repeater, DL-4s >and Ableton's LIVE) and can't wait to try them out in my next live >looping excursion. I also agree with my brother >(and several other people we talked to) that this year was the first >time that we could see laptop/software oriented >live looping as a really viable alternative to the great hardware >boxes that exist. Andrew Chaikin's (Kid Beyond) >brilliant performance singlehandedly accomplished that paradigm >shift . What he did with his voice, a mic, Ableton's Live >and a sophisticated midi footpedal was nothing short of astonishing. >There were several artists, though, besides him who used >that exciting software effectively. I can't wait for that >company to add '1st loop capability' to their already robust suite of >software looping functions. > >That being said and done, my mind keeps being blown by the >sophisticated uses of both the EDP and the Repeater that I saw. >Relative newcomer Bernhard Wagner had my brother and I entranced >with his 'sub' 'insert' work on the EDP and my brother >continues to astonish me with his innovative use of arpeggio driven >pitched loops in the Repeater. > >There were also impressive uses of proprietary software by Amar, >Warren Sirota and Wayne Jackson.........I can't wait to check all of >that out >after I've slept for about a week but then there was the just >wonderfully deft and natural use of older technology like Gary >Regina's fantastic set >with the old Lexicon Jammans and Michael Klobuchars transparent work >with his Boomerang (or the 'Rang' as he calls it). > >Still and all, as George Demarest so deftly put it, "Good >musicianship trumps bad looping gear" every time and the musicality >of this festival >was at an all time high. > >Well, I'm wasted and going to go and grab a few winks before the >Annual Loopers Lunceon at 1 p.m. at the Catalyst but I just wanted to >say thanks to every one involved for a great experience. > >Newcomer (only to this community but a looper for a long time) Bob >Rice and I confessed to each other that we were both verklempt when >Council person Emily Reilly presented the "International Live >Looping" placards to featured artists Bernhard, Michael, Ted and >Headliner Sunao on Saturday evening. > >"This is so cool," he said to me, "I"ve been doing this for 20 >years in my home and to discover that this community exists is >really wonderful." > >Our community rocks and I feel really grateful to have been able to >hang and listen to so many wonderful looping artists. > >All right............I'm out a here. R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 09:51:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CDmNh13214; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:48:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:48:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4018A41D-1C55-11D9-9873-000A95C5856C@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Colorado Loopers Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:47:25 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-ELNK-Trace: d0a6d72aa85685aa51182eff55973efb0a9da525759e2654506c916c351dc398a46cd1ec65344a38d16aef77543258d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 141.150.211.250 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings; Will be relocating (form NJ) to Evergreen, CO soon and will be out that way next week to look at houses. Questions: Any LD members in that area? Any loop shows? Recommended guitar/ music shops to check out? Thoughts on the status of the Denver area free improv./ jazz scene? Thanks. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 10:31:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CENfx18397; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:23:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:23:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <370F67EA-1C5A-11D9-831F-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: How HISSY is your EDP? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:22:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Would that help though? I can already pad the input before it hits the EDP front end with the send on the mixer. Say for example the input on the mixer and the EDP is set to halfway, which is as hot as I can run it without overload showing up in the audio. The output on the EDP is now set to max, as is the return on the mixer, and the result is a little bit quieter than the live instrument signal. The problem seems to be that however you get the input signal to non-overloading maximum, the ratio of gain you can add from the output stage isn't quite enough to bring it to unity. Travis Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:19:22 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How HISSY is your EDP? Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041012000907.04b0ae70@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:58 AM 10/11/2004, Travis Hartnett wrote: >The problem I've struggled with more is getting unity gain out of some of >the EDP's (although this is a problem with a lot of digital gear). >My EDP's are always in some sort of mixer, usually a Rane SM-26, and once >you get the input level dialed in for maximum volume without overloading, >then it's hard to make up the volume drop on the back end. There's always >plenty of room for adjustment on the input (which never goes above halfway >that I recall), but the output on one of my units is always on max, and >the mixer return typically has to be all the way up also. The old ones were quiet like that, and the input was very sensitive. You can fix the gain in it to be like the newer ones with a couple of resistor changes, if you are handy with a soldering iron (or know somebody who is). It is on the echoplex faq: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 11:00:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CErPH22409; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:53:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:53:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <76.4405c2a7.2e9d49b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:52:32 EDT Subject: Y2K4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1097592752" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5030 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1097592752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a great time!! I finally got to see Ted Killian play. I have two copies of his cd and I highly recommend it!! I enjoyed seeing Michael, Sunao and Bernard play at the Question Mark Gallery. Thanks to Rick Walker for the blood and time to make this happen. I pray this happens every year, forever. Peace, James Sidlo -------------------------------1097592752 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  I had a great time!! I finally got to see Ted Killian play. I ha= ve two copies of his cd and I highly recommend it!! I enjoyed seeing Michael= , Sunao and Bernard play at the Question Mark Gallery.
    Thanks to Rick Walker for the blood and time to make= this happen. I pray this happens every year, forever.
 
 
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-------------------------------1097592752-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 13:16:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CH8Eu07424; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:08:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:08:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9f.500064a9.2e9d6943@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:07:15 EDT Subject: Y2K4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9f.500064a9.2e9d6943_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <6i7hQ.A.KyB.W9AbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_9f.500064a9.2e9d6943_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahhhh, Home again, home again (in Oregon) after the long drive from Santa Cruz. What can one say about such a wild and woolly weekend as the Y2K4 LoopFest?=20 I saw many old friends and made many new ones from around the world.=20 I was the lucky and pampered house guest of Mark Hamburg (and family). I heard and saw so much wonderful music that my head wants to explode. I experienced hope and excitement at the many new (and emerging) technologie= s=20 on display. I was the dumbstruck (and undeserving) recipient of a certificate from the=20 Mayor of Santa Cruz. I got to perform before what has to be the most enthusiastic (and forgiving)= =20 audience in the world. I got to spend four days with a community of people who have come to mean a=20 lot to me (my "tribe"). Hats off to Rick Walker, without whom it would never have happened. Alas,=20 there's not one of you in every city. Hats off to Rick's spouse, Chris, who supports him in this yearly madness=20 with a smile and hard work of her own. Hat's off to all the performers who came and inspired one another --=20 particularly the international ones who traveled so far. Thank you Suanao (Japan). Thank you Bernhard (Switzerland). Michael Klobuchar (Pittsburgh). Thank you everyone who attended! Thank you Kim Flint (the long-suffering and under-appreciated)! Without the connections made through the LD community here, none of this=20 would be possible. Blessings and peace be on you all. Let's do it all again sometime.=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS: Hey Hans! When's the next LoopStock? It's not too early to start=20 planning. http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_9f.500064a9.2e9d6943_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahhhh,

Home again, home again (in Oregon) after the long drive from Santa Cruz.

What can one say about such a wild and woolly weekend as the Y2K4 LoopFest?=20=

I saw many old friends and made many new ones from around the world.

I was the lucky and pampered house guest of Mark Hamburg (and family).

I heard and saw so much wonderful music that my head wants to explode.

I experienced hope and excitement at the many new (and emerging) technologie= s on display.

I was the dumbstruck (and undeserving) recipient of a certificate from the M= ayor of Santa Cruz.

I got to perform before what has to be the most enthusiastic (and forgiving)= audience in the world.

I got to spend four days with a community of people who have come to mean a=20= lot to me (my "tribe").

Hats off to Rick Walker, without whom it would never have happened. Alas, th= ere's not one of you in every city.

Hats off to Rick's spouse, Chris, who supports him in this yearly madness wi= th a smile and hard work of her own.

Hat's off to all the performers who came and inspired one another -- particu= larly the international ones who traveled so far.

Thank you Suanao (Japan).

Thank you Bernhard (Switzerland).

Michael Klobuchar (Pittsburgh).

Thank you everyone who attended!

Thank you Kim Flint (the long-suffering and under-appreciated)!

Without the connections made through the LD community here, none of this wou= ld be possible.

Blessings and peace be on you all.

Let's do it all again sometime.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS: Hey Hans! When's the next LoopStock? It's not too early to start plannin= g.

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
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--part1_9f.500064a9.2e9d6943_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 13:23:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CHL2u09049; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:21:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:21:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:19:26 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K4 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ea.5ac85c09.2e9d6c1e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_ea.5ac85c09.2e9d6c1e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, In a message dated 10/12/04 7:53:15 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes: > I had a great time!! I finally got to see Ted Killian play. I have two=20 > copies of his CD and I highly recommend it!!=20 >=20 Heck. You're one of MY looping guitar heroes. You make me blush. I don't even feel like I played very well this year. Damn! I don't=20 even like thinking about it. YOU were great though! And, I am=20 soooo very jealous that you got Rick to play with you too. > Thanks to Rick Walker for the blood and time to make this happen.=20 > I pray this happens every year, forever. >=20 Amen brother! Preach it!=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. --part1_ea.5ac85c09.2e9d6c1e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James,

In a message dated 10/12/04 7:53:15 AM, Jhsidlo@aol.com writes:

I had a great time!!=20= I finally got to see Ted Killian play. I have two
copies of his CD and I highly recommend it!!

Heck. You're one of MY looping guitar heroes. You make me blush.
I don't even feel like I played very well this year. Damn! I don't
even like thinking about it. YOU were great though! And, I am
soooo very jealous that you got Rick to play with you too.

Thanks to Rick Walker= for the blood and time to make this happen.
I pray this happens every year, forever.

Amen brother! Preach it!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas.

Yadda, yadda, yadda.
--part1_ea.5ac85c09.2e9d6c1e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 14:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CI0xb13895; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:00:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:00:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Colorado Loopers Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:00:15 -0600 Message-ID: <001901c4b085$5722bd90$6901a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4018A41D-1C55-11D9-9873-000A95C5856C@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, you're getting closer to Idaho...one more state North-West and I'll have some buds to play with! :) Kris Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Colorado Loopers Greetings; Will be relocating (form NJ) to Evergreen, CO soon and will be out that way next week to look at houses. Questions: Any LD members in that area? Any loop shows? Recommended guitar/ music shops to check out? Thoughts on the status of the Denver area free improv./ jazz scene? Thanks. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 14:49:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CIl7719947; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:47:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:47:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <9f.500064a9.2e9d6943@aol.com> References: <9f.500064a9.2e9d6943@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: sufferage Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:44:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How is Kim long suffering and under appreciated? He answers many questions about the Echoplex and takes care of people the best I can see. His writing style only reflects a highly creative guy, the wrong kind of approach to a technical manual. Looks to me like he has tremendous praise heaped on his personage. Looks happy to me. believe me, I appreciate the unit I have. Don't know it yet and some manuals have gotten me through to the juicy parts of a unit quicker. Doesn't speak for the unit, just the imagination behind the manual. The more imaginative the piece of art, technology or contrivance, the less apt the creator is to the mundane task of writing a "how to do" manual. I'm sure he takes my displeasure with his manual it in good humor and realizes that he really can't write a manual. Too much of a Beatnik. Me too. I'm too much of a Bohemian to write a manual. All manuals are not too much pleasure. I loved the Festival! I saw some stuff that I really haven't seen before. Lots of freaks of sound. Lots of beautiful designs and humor. Lots of, of, of, of, of,of, of, of, "The International greeting between Loopers." How ya doin'. ya, doin', ya, doin, ya, ya, ya. One thing though, I enjoy playing with other musicians so much that I could never really loop for fun after a certain point. I mean looping with myself is kind of like masturbation but as an artist I'm a good lay so I can "get off." I had two Jammans about four years back, looped a band through them and made loops for mostly dancers. My group was a free improv band called the Vortexans. Electronic drums so everything could run into a board and it was simple to do. Performers were pretty much entitled to play anything they didn't know. Very good stuff and completely original the best I could tell. We just evolved out of loops and played whole performances without them. Now I am looking at them again and I don't feel as cold to them as I was. Periodicity is so horribly human and a force of negative energy for a spontaneous person. Time is so psychological. I'll see what I can do with the things but they may go up for sale. Don't hold your breath. I am really into outside and Echoplex can collect outside. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 15:14:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CJCaN23009; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:12:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:12:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <83DAF967.2964BE15@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 05:04:57 -0700 From: cul-baisser@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Diablo aux Corps References: <9f.500064a9.2e9d6943@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ID: T5wX24ZHYeqjJkS+PGQmHoiDMZUJmkRscT1F9XLpgJKPL8aV-3AdQw X-TOI-MSGID: ad11ae80-dd0b-42a9-91a5-c25beea6edee Resent-Message-ID: <-NoXiD.A.6mF.AyCbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello to all Loopers, >From 26th of May to the 3oth of September 2005 a new rock group is touring through France. Inside the show we will have a big part,where the band is improvising...and in this section,every Looper can take it over to be a part of the show. If it is interesting for any "Looper",he7she can join us in the improvising part. We recommend only,that the musican explains us roughly what style he likes and especially what Equipment he brings on stage,so that we are able to integrate his/her sound to our sound. If someone is interested to join our project,we will inform him/her in detail. Keep on looping, Martin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 16:03:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CJt0n28373; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:55:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:55:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Looping with other musicians Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:53:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcSwjCoD020NoEFeRqKrPCykbPIz4gABxouA Message-Id: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -----Original Message----- Larry Cooperman wrote many things and one of them was: One thing though, I enjoy playing with other musicians so much that I could never really loop for fun after a certain point. I mean looping with myself is kind of like masturbation but as an artist I'm a good lay so I can "get off." We just evolved out of loops and played whole performances without them. Now I am looking at them again and I don't feel as cold to them as I was. Periodicity is so horribly human and a force of negative energy for a spontaneous person. Time is so psychological. I'll see what I can do with the things but they may go up for sale. Don't hold your breath. I am really into outside and Echoplex can collect outside. ---->My $.02 . . . Looping is a wonderful way to accumulate sound. I haven't had much success using looping with an ensemble. I find the same thing with sequences--live performances seem to be stifled by "following" a track. If loops could follow live performances--but they can't! They have no cognition; they are the past, brought into the present. Sympathetic fellow musicians can accommodate this; but generally this caliber of musician can play brilliantly using a cardboard box. I know that others use multiple delays to process their instrument in an ensemble setting. Mostly though it isn't looping; it's DSP. That's probably the ticket in ensemble playing--requiring less rhythmic accuracy (IMHO the real killer). Let's nobody hold our breath--let it flow! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 16:19:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CKGm230885; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DEF4C22-1C8B-11D9-AED6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:15:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > I find the same thing with sequences--live > performances seem to be stifled by "following" a track. If loops could > follow live performances--but they can't! They have no cognition; > they are > the past, brought into the present. But you can keep changing the loop instantly! Insert, overdub or roughly start it over from scratch. Or change tempo division of the loops! Play the loops! ;-) There really is an alternative to the concept of fixed loop playback. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 16:25:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CKN8631873; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:23:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:23:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <440368E6-1C8C-11D9-8E47-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:21:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Looping is a wonderful way to accumulate sound. I haven't had much > success > using looping with an ensemble. I find the same thing with > sequences--live > performances seem to be stifled by "following" a track. If loops could > follow live performances--but they can't! They have no cognition; > they are > the past, brought into the present. Sympathetic fellow musicians can > accommodate this; but generally this caliber of musician can play > brilliantly using a cardboard box. > I know that others use multiple delays to process their instrument in > an > ensemble setting. Mostly though it isn't looping; it's DSP. That's > probably the ticket in ensemble playing--requiring less rhythmic > accuracy > (IMHO the real killer). > Let's nobody hold our breath--let it flow! > Gary > > > The old listening is very essential into looping a whole band. The individual player need to know when either to shut up or how much to move away from shut up. I just find, at this point, the loop to be a little restrictive. I can see a point where, when I learn the Echoplex, to loosen up the natural restrictions with the power of the unit. This is where the manual stands in the way. I can't get to what I need to know in a very direct way from the manual. Otherwise it is a delightful read and I am very much into how the protagonist learns how to operate in a place and TIME with an alien culture and the holy writ of a culture who worships re-runs. I found the concept of structural dissonance to be the key to this kind of free improvisation with loops and without. I have my music, you have yours. Charles Ives. No chords, a loose structure to rhythm and even a strict adherence to the same thing in the sense that it is highly disregarded as it is being disregarded. Same with pitches. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 16:33:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CKRM832447; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:27:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:27:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <7DEF4C22-1C8B-11D9-AED6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <7DEF4C22-1C8B-11D9-AED6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:25:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 12, 2004, at 1:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> I find the same thing with sequences--live >> performances seem to be stifled by "following" a track. If loops >> could >> follow live performances--but they can't! They have no cognition; >> they are >> the past, brought into the present. > > > But you can keep changing the loop instantly! Insert, overdub or > roughly start it over from scratch. Or change tempo division of the > loops! Play the loops! ;-) There really is an alternative to the > concept of fixed loop playback. Yes you can but at the base of the loop you have the Church Lady. A strict taskmaster with leather and studs. Can you dress the Lady into different clothes while you spank her tush in an increment of her overall ass? No, it is still her ass, clothed in whatever. Fun though. I'm beginning to think that the fixed and the chaotic can live together? When I get my loops back I'll make some loops to undermine. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 16:53:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CKfVH02257; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:41:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:41:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <7DEF4C22-1C8B-11D9-AED6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:40:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 12, 2004, at 22:25, Larry Cooperman wrote: > Yes you can but at the base of the loop you have the Church Lady. A > strict taskmaster with leather and studs. Can you dress the Lady into > different clothes while you spank her tush in an increment of her > overall ass? No, it is still her ass, clothed in whatever. Hey, you should write The Looopers Bible!!! ;-D best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 17:06:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CL4fh05312; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:04:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:04:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <200410031859.i93Ix2Z01237@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E5FD6E7-1C92-11D9-AB17-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:04:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 3, 2004, at 23:19, Os wrote: > (to be clear, for those not familiar with Augustus Loop, you can > change the settings to avoid tape 'artefacts' when changing pitch - > it's changing the delay time on the fly that currently gives you the > unavoidable effects.) > > I'm always happy to hear from anyone with suggestions for changes & > features - drop me a mail or leave a note on my website forum. Os, Many thanks for the tip. Today I tried to deselect the "fix length" buttons and this was the best thing I've done for a long time :-) I have built a system in Numerology with three parallel Augustus Loopers and then I have ten FCB foot buttons to transform all loops at once, to improvise chord changes. What happens now, with the "fix length" deselected, is that the poly rhythm between the three loops changes with each transformation of pitch (since each loop does take on a new length when re-pitched). As "a meta instrument" I actually like this better! I never get the tape simulation artefacts now. Not until I step the pedal for "triplet" or "reverse" and that is all cool. Those tape sounds ARE great, and this sparse they come out just right IMHO. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 17:08:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CL6TE05619; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:06:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:06:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <199.30f4416f.2e9da12b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:05:47 EDT Subject: Re: sufferage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_199.30f4416f.2e9da12b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_199.30f4416f.2e9da12b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Coop, In a message dated 10/12/04 11:46:41 AM, coop@newmillguitar.com writes: > How is Kim long-suffering and under-appreciated?=A0 >=20 Well, gee . . . By providing to us the Loopers Delight forum for . . . how many=20 years now? . . . over ten (I think) . . . with little to no remuneration=20 and often more public complaints an rags than kudos . . . suffering=20 both artists and idiots alike . . . often both at the same time. By sort of "birthing" the EDP into the general marketplace with little personal fanfare or direct gratitude. He's a musician too and he never plays at these "fests" that are mostly fueled by his online forum (if not his product). By seeing his "baby" (the EDP) go off into the world with so much=20 promise and seeing it sort of flounder there for reasons too numerous,=20 unfair and too stoooopid to even mention.=20 By his unflagging support of it anyway . . . even though it is unlikely=20 to go out and "take the world by storm" at this point . . . though hope does spring eternal. My hat is off to him. He's a good guy . . . and in a fair and just world he=20 and Matthias Grob would both be millionaires and have holidays named=20 after them.=20 I've NEVER heard Kim complain about any of it though. These are just=20 my own particular thoughts on the matter. I'm also one of those dumb artist/idiots who seldom (or never) pop up to say thanks . . . or stuff=20 a wad of bills in Kim's shirt-pocket . . . out of simple gratitude. Even many of the competing products owe a lot to the EDP (and this forum) methinks. But that's just me . . . and I'm just another dumb guitar payer using technology to play with himself. Heheheh. "Loopers do it repeatedly!" would make a great bumper sticker an/or T-shirt. I guess it's my time to log on and make that LD donation via PayPal. With the best of humor and intentions . . . Best regards, Ted --part1_199.30f4416f.2e9da12b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Coop,

In a message dated 10/12/04 11:46:41 AM, coop@newmillguitar.com writes:

How is Kim long-suffe= ring and under-appreciated?=A0

Well, gee . . .

By providing to us the Loopers Delight forum for . . . how many
years now? . . . over ten (I think) . . . with little to no remuneration and often more public complaints an rags than kudos . . . suffering
both artists and idiots alike . . . often both at the same time.

By sort of "birthing" the EDP into the general marketplace with
little personal fanfare or direct gratitude. He's a musician too
and he never plays at these "fests" that are mostly fueled by
his online forum (if not his product).

By seeing his "baby" (the EDP) go off into the world with so much
promise and seeing it sort of flounder there for reasons too numerous,
unfair and too stoooopid to even mention.

By his unflagging support of it anyway . . . even though it is unlikely
to go out and "take the world by storm" at this point . . . though
hope does spring eternal.

My hat is off to him. He's a good guy . . . and in a fair and just world he=20=
and Matthias Grob would both be millionaires and have holidays named
after them.

I've NEVER heard Kim complain about any of it though. These are just
my own particular thoughts on the matter. I'm also one of those dumb
artist/idiots who seldom (or never) pop up to say thanks . . . or stuff
a wad of bills in Kim's shirt-pocket . . . out of simple gratitude.

Even many of the competing products owe a lot to the EDP (and this forum) methinks. But that's just me . . . and I'm just another dumb guitar payer using technology to play with himself. Heheheh. "Loopers do it repeatedly!"<= BR> would make a great bumper sticker an/or T-shirt.

I guess it's my time to log on and make that LD donation via PayPal.

With the best of humor and intentions . . .

Best regards,

Ted
--part1_199.30f4416f.2e9da12b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 17:10:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CL69905544; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:06:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:06:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Looping and Meditative States, etc Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:07:45 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:58:25 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.122.246 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > since this seems to be the main purpose of music, I wonder why > musicians dont care more to learn about states of mind... some do :-) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 17:14:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CL75q05870; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <7DEF4C22-1C8B-11D9-AED6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4525058E-1C92-11D9-99D7-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:04:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 12, 2004, at 1:40 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 12, 2004, at 22:25, Larry Cooperman wrote: >> Yes you can but at the base of the loop you have the Church Lady. A >> strict taskmaster with leather and studs. Can you dress the Lady >> into different clothes while you spank her tush in an increment of >> her overall ass? No, it is still her ass, clothed in whatever. > > Hey, you should write The Looopers Bible!!! ;-D > > best > > Per Boysen Spanky's Loopers Bible, In the beginning there was a flat surface. Then there was a flat surface, and then, and then, neht dna, dna, nad, na, nam and then Echoplex created an ass to spank. She was called An. He was called Spanky that old Ass Spanker. Love An, love her by spanking her with Tenderness and Disregard. Then there was a Waszah, the Manual of Spanking. We read and went Waszah!!? He spoke to us, Waszah (?). In the ether of the Webpage Waszah (?) said "Go Beatnik, yee of little Silicon and of the Wooden Things with Animal Skin and Bone, with the This and the That and So On and So Forth with no Reverse Button. " Waszah!" (?) said Us. In the end of the first week we went Online to decipher the Holy Writ. "WWW DOT WHAT?" He spoke to Spanky who had hand to An's Spanly Part. WWW DOT Loopers_Delight a thunderous Spank came from Ether! Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 17:21:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CLIWD07928; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:18:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <199.30f4416f.2e9da12b@aol.com> References: <199.30f4416f.2e9da12b@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--950512079 Message-Id: From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: sufferage Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:16:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: <04xVTC.A.a6B.7nEbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1--950512079 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Oct 12, 2004, at 2:05 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hi there Coop, > > In a message dated 10/12/04 11:46:41 AM, coop@newmillguitar.com=20 > writes: > > > How is Kim long-suffering and under-appreciated?=A0 Well I still see no suffering because he knows the value of what he's=20 done. If I am correct, he raised his hand when I asked about the=20 manual. I saw his face had no suffering. He looked happy and good=20 humored. And afterwards, I discovered who he was and that further=20 codified my idea that there was no suffering there, at least not at the=20= time I saw the face. He's having a good time I'll bet. I'll make his time better if I can. Thanks Kim! I'll say that you've been appreciated by me. Now, on to=20 the manual... The Echoplex is a perfect creation I'll say, the writ is=20= not. A holiday is in order I'll agree. I want my kid and wife to get out of=20= school but I want the mail delivered. All looping sentences begin with I. I just want a world to consider looping in. Vote, blah, blah... Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--950512079 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Oct 12, 2004, at 2:05 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: GenevaHi there = Coop, Geneva In a message dated 10/12/04 11:46:41 AM, coop@newmillguitar.com writes: GenevaHow is Kim long-suffering and under-appreciated?=A0 Well I still see no suffering because he knows the value of what he's done. If I am correct, he raised his hand when I asked about the manual. I saw his face had no suffering. He looked happy and good humored. And afterwards, I discovered who he was and that further codified my idea that there was no suffering there, at least not at the time I saw the face. He's having a good time I'll bet. I'll make his time better if I can. Thanks Kim! I'll say that you've been appreciated by me. Now, on to the manual... The Echoplex is a perfect creation I'll say, the writ is not. A holiday is in order I'll agree. I want my kid and wife to get out of school but I want the mail delivered. All looping sentences begin with I. I just want a world to consider looping in. Vote, blah, blah... Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com --Apple-Mail-1--950512079-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 18:25:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CMIYQ20995; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:18:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:18:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.210.35.243] X-Originating-Email: [exit_the_band@hotmail.com] X-Sender: exit_the_band@hotmail.com From: "Rob Leader of Exit" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping and Meditative States, etc Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:17:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2004 22:18:02.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[57031D40:01C4B0A9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Unfortunately, many musicians seem more concerned with cash flow than anything else... >From: "Michael Peters" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: RE: Looping and Meditative States, etc >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:07:45 +0200 > > > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > > since this seems to be the main purpose of music, I wonder why > > musicians dont care more to learn about states of mind... > >some do :-) > >-Michael > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 18:52:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9CMoFo28858; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:50:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:50:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Arthur Lee Land" To: Subject: Phat Loops...October Midwest Tour Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:46:30 -0600 Message-ID: <004901c4b0ad$542506c0$7b87ff0a@arthurlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Everybody, This week starts my Midwest tour for ARTHUR LEE LAND: A One-Man Afrograss Folk Rock Ensemble. 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Subject: Looper's Spotted in the Marbles Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:47:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com All, It's been a bit of time, just caught the Marillion "Marbles" show last week on Thursday, with John Wesley opening for them, and it was a great showing of the two/three Boss (Roland) dual pedals. John had one of all three of the loopers (to near loopers) of a DD-20, RC-20, and a RC-20XL along with several other pedals. Didn't catch the type of guitar and what he was using for amplification, but man, it was a great show of what those three pedals could do. Steve Rothery had a DD-20 and a RC-20 and he put those beasties to work, too! Also, it was awesome to see him really use an E-bow real heavily through the concert. The crowd at the 9:30Club was a bit tamer than expected, but it was happening to see Marillion and John Wesley in this country, again. Later on, Lee > "Vi Viri Venivirsium Vivius Vicci." - Faustus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 21:58:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9D1fRn25811; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:41:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:41:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041013014103.70723.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_7YSKD.A.2SG.2eIbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Larry Cooperman wrote: >I'm beginning to think that the fixed > and the chaotic can live together? That reminds me of a technique I used to use in the 80's to record drum tracks on pre-production demos. I was often forced to use a drum machine due to volume and space constraints, but the two units I had really didn't sound very good. One was a little Boss programmable thing and the other was a really horrible Yamaha thing with pads (that I really only got for its midi control, but that's another story.) The Boss by itself had OK drum sounds per se, but sounded stiff and mechanical, the Yamaha by itself was ultra-cheesy. But when I would program an extremely minimalistic kick/snare thing into the Boss and play all the tom parts on the Yamaha through a boatload of processing, the two together sounded pretty cool. The Boss would provide a rock-solid tempo, but the looseness (sloppiness) of my fills on the Yamaha's pads gave it a "human" element, and got it away from the sameness of a repeating drum loop. That's sort of the approach that evolved into the way I loop as well, whether it's with others or alone. I like to use several low-tech loopers simultaneously, but that doesn't mean they're all playing at the same time. Trying to synch them cross-platform with tight rhythmic parts would obviously be a bad idea, so I tend to play those parts in real time on top of the loops, or when I need parts to be locked together, overdub them onto *one* of the devices. So one looper may have a percussive, rhythmic part going, one may be doing really low notes while another couple might have pads and chordal swells. But again, even though I might have 6 loops going, they're (usually) not all audible at the same time; I can play the faders like a keyboard. To extend that analogy, a piano has 88 diferent notes, but it's up to the player to determine which ones will be heard at any given time, how hard to hit the keys, how long to hold them or to wait between them, etc. All of this is even more true with the higher-end loopers like the EDP and Repeater, the difference being the greater control and flexibility a musician has available. Knowing and working with one's instrument's strengths and limitations goes a long way, and taste and restraint are essential when playing with other people. As far as "the Church Lady", your looping devices are really ony repeating what you input to them; the trick is controlling the playback so that it remains musical. -t- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 12 22:07:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9D26MI28516; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <20041013014103.70723.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041013014103.70723.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2849BDB1-1CBC-11D9-BA59-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:04:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > As far as "the Church > Lady", your looping devices are really ony repeating > what you input to them; the trick is controlling the > playback so that it remains musical. yes, that's true but in the case of music not based on periodicity, meaning rhythms and pitch materials are attempting to be in more flux, it becomes a challenge I would imagine. hard for me to say, I'm new to it and the manual is the bane of my existence with the machines. I'll keep plugging away and eventually get what I want or just go back to where I was which was fulfilling and successful. I was just trying something new and a bit outside of my basic area. Good Stuff, Thanks > > -t- > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 01:24:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9D5Fix17692; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:15:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:15:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00bb01c4b0e3$9f2874f0$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> From: "redrum123" To: References: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Interviews / Ethnographic Study Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:15:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <4GoVqB.A.OTE.anLbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I will be writing an ethnographic study for a world music class I am taking at my university. I chose looping related music as my focal point, and would like to interview a bunch of you. The more the better (20 page paper, more interviews means less work for me :) ), from the large figures to the lurkers (like me), everybody has something to contribute. So, the interviews will be over email or phone, will not take much of your time, and will be extremely helpful for me (i need something to write!). They will probably take place 2 to 4 weeks from today. Please respond if you are willing to help. If i don't get enough responses, i'll just send out another email to waste more bandwidth :) -Gardner From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 07:51:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DBnnH26302; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:49:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:49:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:50:47 -0400 Subject: Question about buying a used oberheim edp From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8fqk6D.A.aaG.DZRbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a chance to buy a used oberheim edp -- have been told it's in great condition, has only been operated in a smoke free studio, has fully expanded memory (198 sec) and loop IV upgrade - i've only owned gibson edps up until now, just wondering if anyone knows if the oberheim edps are just as good, not too old to buy for $650 now, etc. etc. - am i worrying needlessly about its age and the fact it's an oberheim, not a gibson? thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 09:34:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DDRnA05267; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:27:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:27:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Interviews / Ethnographic Study Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:26:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2004 13:27:04.0165 (UTC) FILETIME=[5423B150:01C4B128] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi there I would be happy to be involved in your project email me at this address testtubemicro@hotmail.com i live in the UK so its probably the chaepest way for you phill wilson _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 09:41:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DDcVc07472; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:37:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2004 13:38:03.0830 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD549560:01C4B129] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey I just thought on this topic of how else you can use a looper, I have finally put a working demo ( called demo) of that glitch-chord technique I talked about a few weeks ago, its at www.download.com/therealblackface its just a rough demo but i think you could use this to do something differant within a band context. Phill Wilson a.k.a. blackface _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 10:36:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DEUkt15328; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <57DBF24A-1D24-11D9-B122-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:29:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1IAF1C.A.KuD.nvTbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > hey I just thought on this topic of how else you can use a looper, I > have finally put a working demo ( called demo) of that glitch-chord > technique I talked about a few weeks ago, its at > www.download.com/therealblackface > its just a rough demo but i think you could use this to do something > differant within a band context. > > Phill Wilson a.k.a. blackface As a matter of fact I was just listening the stuff that web site some three days ago. I liked the music very much. Reminded me a bit of Vini Reilly although he doesn't loop that much (Durutti Column) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 10:52:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DEai516584; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:36:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:36:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410131435.i9DEZma04336@haystack01.dsvr.co.uk> From: "Piers Gibbon" To: Subject: Looping kit decisions in the UK Date: Wed 13 Oct 2004 15:21 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hereby unlurk...Hi! If you have the time or inclination to answer this dull newby question I'd be grateful Having looped in protools I am now keen to get some performance kit... I'm wondering what the best places are in the UK to try-buy both the Echoplex and also the Boss RC20xl. Preferably either in Bristol or London... I'm leaning towards the Boss for price reasons obviously...but would like to have a go on both before...and to hear any advice you have I want to use it to play live sets of weirdness with miked acoustic instruments and voice... Many thanks Piers From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 10:53:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DEovr18907; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:50:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:50:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 07:50:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with regarding the EDP? Between the manual, the online FAQs and knowledge base here, I think there's a ready answer to most questions. Personally, I think the manual's pretty good. It's a difficult machine to write a manual for because there's not one "right" way to use the EDP, so the "Here's how to do the basics section, now here's a list of all the functions--have fun" approach worked about as well as I could hope. It's so deep that there's no way anyone's expected to buy one, read the manual from front to back and then understand everything. It takes, literally, years to discover all the combinations of everything and what that implies musically. The EDP is more like a musical instrument than a conventional rack-mounted effects unit in that respect. The good news is that you don't have to know more than about 1% of what it can do to get rolling. TravisH On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:36 AM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > hard for me to say, I'm new to it and the manual is the bane of my > existence with the machines. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 10:57:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DEmp418474; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:48:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:48:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:47:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2004 14:48:07.0861 (UTC) FILETIME=[A720CE50:01C4B133] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Per Thanks very much for listening to my stuff. its funny, I only got told about Durrutti Column earlier this week, after somone came to my gig and said I should check it out cos I had a similar sound!!!I got their last work and thought it was really nice music very textural in a non ambient sense. Indeed I would recommend it to other loopers as non looping music but useful for getting good sonic ideas, as are No-Man, Four Tet, Mogwai and Mum please feel free to add any other surgestions cos sometimes its nice to look at music that isnt Torn,Fripp,Eno etc for gathering ideas, of course there is also the MIGHTY Sigur Ros who totaly blow me away with songs that could often be looped as the only contail maybe three chord changes!!! Phill >From: Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:29:51 +0200 > >>hey I just thought on this topic of how else you can use a looper, >>I have finally put a working demo ( called demo) of that >>glitch-chord technique I talked about a few weeks ago, its at >>www.download.com/therealblackface >>its just a rough demo but i think you could use this to do >>something differant within a band context. >> >>Phill Wilson a.k.a. blackface > > >As a matter of fact I was just listening the stuff that web site >some three days ago. I liked the music very much. Reminded me a bit >of Vini Reilly although he doesn't loop that much (Durutti Column) > >All the best > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.looproom.com (international) >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 11:17:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DFAHg21698; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:10:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:10:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:10:50 -0400 Subject: looping with other musicians From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been dealing with the issue of the "church lady" aspect of looping in solo performances recently -- went through a period of complete improvisational looping concerts, with lots of morphing of loops and varying of loops on the edp -- then the pendulum swung the other way and i did a recent concert of almost all songs and compositions, using rhythmic loops to create a percussive bed for the song -- i thought the song aspect would make the music more accessible to others -- much to my surprise, many of my listeners (who had been to several other concerts of mine and had followed the process) REALLY missed the free looping stuff -- and these are not people who are into free or avant garde music at all. They felt that the whole concert was on a kind of restricted emotional level from beginning to end and missed the spontaneity and thus wider emotional range of the free looping -- so future concerts will be more of a mix -- plus i'm discovering that it's often better, if i'm going to sing a song, to just sing it without a rhythmic loop - the loop, even with cool vocal percussion, seems to put a straight jacket on things and rather than adding to the emotional presence seems to subtract from it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 12:08:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DG0dO00760; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:00:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:00:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041013155925.66724.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: looping with other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Steve, i am starting to do more songs like i used to as well and i want to integrate loops to them so i am picking songs that have minimal chords changes or one to max. two chords behind the solos.Things like "do it again" from Steely Dan or "Light my Fire" are examples of songs where you can loop the chords quickly and start improvising without being to trapped in a box so to speak.The DL4 is ideal for this since the "loop once" feature gives you time to return to an A part etc.With the EDP if you are syncing to a drum machine then the "mute cont" feature is great for doing breaks! P.S. by the way there are no differences in terms of sound between the beige Oberheims and the Gibson echoplexes,provided you have loop IV, 198 secs. and don´t forget to change the resistors on the oberheim for more gain tolerance.But as you know they don´t sync together that well! cheers Luis --- "steve.sandberg" wrote: > I've been dealing with the issue of the "church > lady" aspect of looping in > solo performances recently -- > went through a period of complete improvisational > looping concerts, with > lots of morphing of loops and varying of loops on > the edp -- > then the pendulum swung the other way and i did a > recent concert of almost > all songs and compositions, using rhythmic loops to > create a percussive bed > for the song -- > i thought the song aspect would make the music more > accessible to others -- > much to my surprise, many of my listeners (who had > been to several other > concerts of mine and had followed the process) > REALLY missed the free > looping stuff -- and these are not people who are > into free or avant garde > music at all. > They felt that the whole concert was on a kind of > restricted emotional level > from beginning to end and missed the spontaneity and > thus wider emotional > range of the free looping -- > so future concerts will be more of a mix -- > plus i'm discovering that it's often better, if i'm > going to sing a song, to > just sing it without a rhythmic loop - the loop, > even with cool vocal > percussion, seems to put a straight jacket on things > and rather than adding > to the emotional presence seems to subtract from it. > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 12:19:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DGBmN04797; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:11:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:11:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <87DF8D6D-1D32-11D9-BC24-000D93305B18@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Johnson Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:11:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Steve, This just popped into my head as I was reading your post, so I thought I would mention it. Did you ever consider that you built up an audience doing one type of performance, and then switched styles on them to some degree? People who like to listen to free-form avant-guard looping may not be very interested in songs, even if they contain loops. In fact, looping may have very little to do with it. I would argue that if you had done the song style performances first and then switched to all improvised sets you would get a similar reaction, although probably with very different comments. Have you ever considered somehow distinguishing between your song-structured performances and your improve performances and keeping them separate? Maybe giving them different band names? Just a thought. As a fan and a musician I have found my own tastes to be guided by the expectations of a CD or performance. I guess some of it would depend on how similar your improvisations are stylistically to your songs. On Oct 13, 2004, at 11:10 AM, steve.sandberg wrote: > I've been dealing with the issue of the "church lady" aspect of > looping in > solo performances recently -- > went through a period of complete improvisational looping concerts, > with > lots of morphing of loops and varying of loops on the edp -- > then the pendulum swung the other way and i did a recent concert of > almost > all songs and compositions, using rhythmic loops to create a > percussive bed > for the song -- > i thought the song aspect would make the music more accessible to > others -- > much to my surprise, many of my listeners (who had been to several > other > concerts of mine and had followed the process) REALLY missed the free > looping stuff -- and these are not people who are into free or avant > garde > music at all. > They felt that the whole concert was on a kind of restricted emotional > level > from beginning to end and missed the spontaneity and thus wider > emotional > range of the free looping -- > so future concerts will be more of a mix -- > plus i'm discovering that it's often better, if i'm going to sing a > song, to > just sing it without a rhythmic loop - the loop, even with cool vocal > percussion, seems to put a straight jacket on things and rather than > adding > to the emotional presence seems to subtract from it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 12:32:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DGPiD09150; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:25:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:25:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.37b93d4.2e9eb0d4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:24:52 EDT Subject: Re: looping with other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.37b93d4.2e9eb0d4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13d.37b93d4.2e9eb0d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, An interesting subject. As for me, I really prefer to play with other musicians (whether I loop or not). I've performed (while looping) in some pretty large=20 ensembles too (some octets and larger) darn successfully. I just takes some understanding on everybody's part -- even if it's largely an improvising ensemble. As for the seeming conflict between the chaos of "free" playing=20 and the restricting regularity (spanking) of looping on a muso- philosophical level, I'd say it would be instructive to read Ilse=20 Aichinger's little short story "The Bound Man" sometime. Again,=20 if everyone in a group understands the implications of the=20 presence of a loop it'll work much better. There is power and beauty to be found in the "tension" between=20 the extremes of chaotic freedom and the restrictive geometric=20 "grid" of looping. It's just my opinion though. It's one of the things that "gets me off" about looping . . . two textures . . . two elements . . . one sort of free form . . . another sort of regular . . . patterned . . . yin . . . and yang. Some folks just like yin. Others just like yang. To each their own. But, of course, I'm not thinking about any of this while I'm playing (if I'm doing my job right). I'm not thinking very much at all -- except=20 on a reptillian/insect, instinctual sort of level. I'm trying to "feel" something heart-wise and gut-level and extrude it through my=20 fingers. My brain needs to get the hell out of the way to do this. It's when my brain doesn't get out of the way that I have "bad" performance experiences. Folks have a variety of ways of describing where their "muse" comes from. This is mine. When that happens for a whole group of musicians all at once it's a really special, transcendent experience. It doesn't happen very often I am told (nor have I experienced it more than just a few times myself). Sometimes an audience can tell that something is=20 "going on" per se . . . and sometimes not. It's elusive. Music making is more "mystery" than mechanical "method"=20 for me. I wish I understood some of that "mystery" just a little bit better. Working in groups is restrictive too. Unless some level of common understanding is reached the end result will really be chaos. We're all back to "understanding" again. There's a loop. Then again I am babbling. I'm tired. I'm still recovering from Y2K4.=20 I think I'm catching Michael Klobuchar's cold and I should just=20 go back to bed. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_13d.37b93d4.2e9eb0d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

An interesting subject.

As for me, I really prefer to play with other musicians (whether
I loop or not). I've performed (while looping) in some pretty large
ensembles too (some octets and larger) darn successfully. I just
takes some
understanding on everybody's part -- even if it's
largely an improvising ensemble.

As for the seeming conflict between the chaos of "free" playing
and the restricting regularity (spanking) of looping on a muso-
philosophical level, I'd say it would be instructive to read Ilse
Aichinger's little short story "The Bound Man" sometime. Again,
if everyone in a group understands the implications of the
presence of a loop it'll work much better.

There is power and beauty to be found in the "tension" between
the extremes of chaotic freedom and the restrictive geometric
"grid" of looping. It's just my opinion though. It's one of the things
that "gets me off" about looping . . . two textures . . . two elements . . .=
one sort of free form . . . another sort of regular . . . patterned . . . yin . . . and yang. Some folks just like yin. Others just like yang.
To each their own.

But, of course, I'm not thinking about any of this while I'm playing
(if I'm doing my job right). I'm not thinking very much at all -- except on a reptillian/insect, instinctual sort of level. I'm trying to "feel"
something heart-wise and gut-level and extrude it through my
fingers. My brain needs to get the hell out of the way to do this.

It's when my brain doesn't get out of the way that I have "bad"
performance experiences. Folks have a variety of ways of
describing where their "muse" comes from. This is mine.

When that happens for a whole group of musicians all at once
it's a really special, transcendent experience. It doesn't happen
very often I am told (nor have I experienced it more than just a few
times myself). Sometimes an audience can tell that something is
"going on" per se . . .  and sometimes not. It's elusive.

Music making is more "mystery" than mechanical "method"
for me. I wish I understood some of that "mystery" just a
little bit better. Working in groups is restrictive too. Unless
some level of common
understanding is reached the end
result will really be chaos.

We're all back to "understanding" again. There's a loop.

Then again I am babbling. I'm tired. I'm still recovering from Y2K4.
I think I'm catching Michael Klobuchar's cold and I should just
go back to bed.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas.
--part1_13d.37b93d4.2e9eb0d4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 13:07:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DGr0l18407; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <3E5FD6E7-1C92-11D9-AB17-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <200410031859.i93Ix2Z01237@hemlock.violacea.com> <3E5FD6E7-1C92-11D9-AB17-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <16936F2C-1D38-11D9-B9D0-000393CE2552@griffpeters.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Griff Peters Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:51:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <2AaxbD.A.TcE.F1VbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Per What it is exactly that Numerology offers that Live 4 doesn't? I'm diving into Live with a somewhat similar meta-instrument concept in mind. Thanks, Griff Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 13:10:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DH9is21784; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:09:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> References: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:07:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with > regarding the EDP? Between the manual, the online FAQs and knowledge > base here, I think there's a ready answer to most questions. My problem is the free association and lack of organization of the thing. The language is secondary but it is a bit idiosyncratic of an artist which makes Kim more respectable to me but not while I'm reading the manual. > > Personally, I think the manual's pretty good. It's a difficult > machine to write a manual for because there's not one "right" way to > use the EDP, so the "Here's how to do the basics section, now here's a > list of all the functions--have fun" approach worked about as well as > I could hope. It's so deep that there's no way anyone's expected to > buy one, read the manual from front to back and then understand > everything. It takes, literally, years to discover all the > combinations of everything and what that implies musically. The EDP > is more like a musical instrument than a conventional rack-mounted > effects unit in that respect. The good news is that you don't have to > know more than about 1% of what it can do to get rolling. Yes, I understand that. I also understand, and I've known this for a long time, that the more canned the more dried of blood and guts. That's my main area of inquiry into the whole looping thing. What is we're looking for as looping artists? I've used terms like masturbation and self aggrandizing and lumping myself into those descriptions when I consider looping but I am an adult and use language that may be a bit unnerving to those who are following some kind of holy writ of looping that may unconsciously exist. All I can say is that this is an extremely stimulating group of people I'm meeting, coming from the classical guitar area, I am relieved to talk to musicians and artists that have a forward vision of music and sound world that is mostly lacking in the classical guitar. Irreverence is just a personal characteristic of mine and perhaps my generation. I use irreverent language but revere creativity and artistic honesty which I saw in abundance at the Y2K4 on past Sunday. > > TravisH > > On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:36 AM, Larry Cooperman wrote: > >> hard for me to say, I'm new to it and the manual is the bane of my >> existence with the machines. > > Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 13:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DHsS728313; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:54:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:54:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: The Echoplex Manual; also AdrenaLinn II Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:53:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSxR7+w6KwUrP5AQHygWuxANbZM3gABUbfQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Message-Id: <20041013175408.QJXU27792.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <3rh-4D.A.y5G.GvWbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe Warren Sirota is the main author of the Echoplex Digital Pro manual, with the Loop IV stuff being created by Kim and integrated into the new manual. That's what the credits read, anyway. Any users of the AdrenaLinn, the effects box/rhythm station Roger Linn created? Should it be on my Christmas list? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 14:13:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DI6RX30085; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:06:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410131805.i9DI5oa30008@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: The Echoplex Manual; also AdrenaLinn II Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:06:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20041013175408.QJXU27792.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSxR7+w6KwUrP5AQHygWuxANbZM3gABUbfQAABae8A= Resent-Message-ID: <-WGXt.A.OVH._5WbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Adrenalinn I or II is awesome fun and patches can be heavily modified for increased craziness or sublety dependent on your desires. I had a I that I upgraded to a II it is real nice but, I got rid of it for a TC Electronics FireworX. I didn't get rid of it because I thought the FireworX was a replacement for it but, I found that I couldn't keep both though I wish I could have. I will likely get another at some time in the future it makes for a great mini (scaled down) rig. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Echoplex Manual; also AdrenaLinn II I believe Warren Sirota is the main author of the Echoplex Digital Pro manual, with the Loop IV stuff being created by Kim and integrated into the new manual. That's what the credits read, anyway. Any users of the AdrenaLinn, the effects box/rhythm station Roger Linn created? Should it be on my Christmas list? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 15:59:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DJpJM12523; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:51:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:51:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <16936F2C-1D38-11D9-B9D0-000393CE2552@griffpeters.com> References: <200410031859.i93Ix2Z01237@hemlock.violacea.com> <3E5FD6E7-1C92-11D9-AB17-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> <16936F2C-1D38-11D9-B9D0-000393CE2552@griffpeters.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E0378A7-1D51-11D9-97C6-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:49:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 13, 2004, at 18:51, Griff Peters wrote: > Hello Per > What it is exactly that Numerology offers that Live 4 doesn't? > I'm diving into Live with a somewhat similar meta-instrument concept > in mind. > Thanks, On a powerbook from Apple Numerolgy with three running looper plug-ins uses less CPU power that a similar set-up with Live 4. Num using 40 and Live 60 percent. And the developer of Numerology is much more responsive to wishes from users than Ableton can ever be, as Live 4 is addressing a broader user base that do not request "overdub recording into a loop" or external midi control of all parameters. The general aspect of Numerology that attracts me is that it is so easy to set up all kinds of functions for a looping plug-in like Augustus Loop or... well there are no more AU's so far. I used to loop with the Lexicon PSP42 on Windows and Mac VST but now I have to stick to AUs. One example of a thing I've done both in Live 4 and in Numerology is to drive the tempo division of a beat synced gate from an midi expression pedal. In its upper position the pedal brings the gate to open for 128th notes and at bottom it opens for 4th notes. Then there are all the triplets as well so you can do a kind of "beat tempo sweep" with your foot. The audio going through that pedal can be either the live audio (the instrument you are playing) or the looper output. I've tried both and they are like different instruments to play with. If you gate the input and loop the gated sound you have the option of all kinds of poly rhythmic effects when transposing the loop. But right now I'm into gating the loop output. And I'm using three Augustus loopers. So you need to find a function in the software that can both send data to trigger the gate and that can itself be externally midi controlled. In Live I had to create a row of midi clips with midi notes on the different rhythms and then I had to assign the clips to FCB1010 pads because there's no way to assign different midi clips to different values of a continues controller message. Then I had to enable OS X IAC bus because Live can not route midi streams to Return tracks. And I have to put the looper plug-ins on the return tracks because I want to use at least three parallel loopers and all of them has to be fed the same audio input, by the aux sends on the track that takes the external audio input. It's a little limited as you see. Too much workarounds for me. Then with Numerology there are already many kinds of "controller objects" that can all be connected to manipulate each other. If I want the loop to jump on 16ths triplets between two octaves I just have to open a "controller sequence" and click the notes into it (Augustus Loop can be transformed by midi notes on midi channel 2). And for the "beat gate sweep pedal", with Numerology I simply have to map my pedal to the clock divider parameter of the controller sequencer that triggers the gate. There is a limitation right now with audio in Numerology, though, and that is that you can only have four aux sends on each channel. This means I can put my instrument into the soundcard and go into Num over "input one" and then I have to send over all aux busses from that channel to get the live audio stream into the three loopers plus a reverb (the loopers then also sending to the reverb). The other channels will then use the aux 1-4 as inputs. But for me three loopers is just the perfect set-up. The third thing I want to do with looping, that is also easy to achieve with Numerology, is to have foot pedals to transpose all three loops to match different chord changes. I have really not yet come up with a solution to do that in Live 4. When working with Augustus Loop you can program some button to send a relevant note number on midi channel two (for transposing) and split it to all three loopers. In Numerology i can just have "presets" of the entire group setup and address the preset from my FCB1010. Then I may shift around presets for different gigs/songs to improvise different chord changes for three running loops. That's the theory. ;-) Now I just have to do it as well..... So I guess I'll stay with Num for a while now. If not Logic 7 reveals itself to be a better host application for looping plug-ins ;-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 16:23:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DKK3718046; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:20:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:20:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041013201900.54459.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:19:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: looping with other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <87DF8D6D-1D32-11D9-BC24-000D93305B18@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Douglas Johnson wrote: > Did you ever consider that you > built up an > audience doing one type of performance, and then > switched styles on > them to some degree?.... > Have you ever > considered somehow distinguishing between your > song-structured > performances and your improv performances and > keeping them separate? > Maybe giving them different band names? I'm not even sure that would work; I've been mostly an improvising avant-guy for the past 25 years with the exception of a couple of years in the early 90's when I was a member of a (high energy power pop, alternative, you fill in the pigeon-label) band through which I had a much higher profile than through my solo work. Unfortunately, even now I hear the occasional disparaging comment about my "new" direction, even though what I'm doing now is essentially representative of the greater part of my creative output over my entire time as a musician, not just a couple years of heavy gigging/touring and CD releases. I'm not sure what the answer might be, but I definitely agree with what you're saying about how one's audience does indeed seem to define you based on what they've heard/come to expect, whether or not what they've heard/come to expect is truly representative of what you're about. -t- _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 16:31:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DKSYh20346; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:28:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:28:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <0E0378A7-1D51-11D9-97C6-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> References: <200410031859.i93Ix2Z01237@hemlock.violacea.com> <3E5FD6E7-1C92-11D9-AB17-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> <16936F2C-1D38-11D9-B9D0-000393CE2552@griffpeters.com> <0E0378A7-1D51-11D9-97C6-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DE27330-1D56-11D9-97C6-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:26:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 13, 2004, at 21:49, Per Boysen wrote: > The general aspect of Numerology that attracts me is that it is so > easy to set up all kinds of functions for a looping plug-in like > Augustus Loop or... well there are no more AU's so far. Ha, ha... this is just too crazy! One minute after I had sent that mail three mails from PSP dropped into my inbox. New updates, including AU versions, of Lexicon PSP42, PSP84 and Nitro. These plug-ins hold some looping capacity! :-) All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 17:14:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DLCWu25728; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:12:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:12:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410131436.i9DEaJB16501@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410131436.i9DEaJB16501@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B52348E-1D5C-11D9-AAB3-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:11:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per, glad to hear it! That's the sort of fix I like to do best - when it turns out the solution was in the software all along :) cheers, os. On 13 Oct 2004, at 15:36, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Date: 12 October 2004 22:04:02 BST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Laptop live-looping in Numerology > > > On Oct 3, 2004, at 23:19, Os wrote: > >> (to be clear, for those not familiar with Augustus Loop, you can >> change the settings to avoid tape 'artefacts' when changing pitch - >> it's changing the delay time on the fly that currently gives you the >> unavoidable effects.) >> >> I'm always happy to hear from anyone with suggestions for changes & >> features - drop me a mail or leave a note on my website forum. > > > Os, > > Many thanks for the tip. Today I tried to deselect the "fix length" > buttons and this was the best thing I've done for a long time :-) I > have built a system in Numerology with three parallel Augustus Loopers > and then I have ten FCB foot buttons to transform all loops at once, > to improvise chord changes. What happens now, with the "fix length" > deselected, is that the poly rhythm between the three loops changes > with each transformation of pitch (since each loop does take on a new > length when re-pitched). As "a meta instrument" I actually like this > better! I never get the tape simulation artefacts now. Not until I > step the pedal for "triplet" or "reverse" and that is all cool. Those > tape sounds ARE great, and this sparse they come out just right IMHO. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 17:18:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9DLGc426437; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:16:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:16:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [81.86.231.244] X-Originating-Email: [bootstick@hotmail.com] X-Sender: bootstick@hotmail.com From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Interviews / Ethnographic Study Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:15:21 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2004 21:16:01.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[D77FDCE0:01C4B169] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there I'm from the UK and have been looping for about a year now. I would be willing to participate in your study. I dont use any pre recorded material and loop acoustic guitar/violin and vocals in my performances Dan _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 20:10:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9E07BR16176; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:07:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:07:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.225.111.223] X-Originating-Email: [j_sun23@hotmail.com] X-Sender: j_sun23@hotmail.com From: "Jason Spring" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Interviews / Ethnographic Study Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:05:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2004 00:06:01.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[970F5B00:01C4B181] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you want a relatively newbie perspective, I'd be glad to participate. I live in the U.S.- Baton Rouge, Louisiana to be precise. I loop Cajun-French Zydeco music.....(What?....No I don't....?). I do on occasion though loop, mostly my bass guitar, but some percussion as well. Jason >From: "redrum123" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Interviews / Ethnographic Study >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:15:12 -0400 > >I will be writing an ethnographic study for a world music class I am taking >at my university. I chose looping related music as my focal point, and >would like to interview a bunch of you. The more the better (20 page >paper, >more interviews means less work for me :) ), from the large figures to the >lurkers (like me), everybody has something to contribute. > >So, the interviews will be over email or phone, will not take much of your >time, and will be extremely helpful for me (i need something to write!). >They will probably take place 2 to 4 weeks from today. > >Please respond if you are willing to help. If i don't get enough >responses, >i'll just send out another email to waste more bandwidth :) > >-Gardner > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 13 22:11:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9E26RO29642; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:06:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:06:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-220041041421619630@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: book review Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:16:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940da15019172da94115fd838560a9e1308350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.22 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At a music school in Cambridge, MA, while I waited for my daughter's lesson to finish, I happened across a VERY old book called New Directions In Music. It's roughly JFK-era, if memory serves, so it covers the great early electronic musicians from a fascinating perspective...e.g., back then, tube oscillators were nowsville, daddy-o! (LOL) I'm gonna look for a copy. Yours in Sound, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 10/11/2004 10:56:40 PM > Subject: book review > > > I recently came across a book at my local alt. bookstore, bought it and have > been enjoying it so I thought it worth a mention. > > The book is: > > Audio Culture: Readings in Modern Music > edited by Cox & Warner > ISBN 0-8264-1615-2 > paperback 454 pgs. > > It is an anthology of short writings by a variety of contributors: John Cage, > Brian Eno, Pauline Oliveros, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Glenn Gould, Chris Cutler > and many more. > > Organized into 2 main parts, Theory and Practice, the subsections include: > > Music and Its Others: Noise, Sound, Silence > Modes of Listening > Experimental Musics > Improvised Musics > Minimalisms > DJ Culture > Electronica > > Short bursts of ideas, concepts, opinions and perspectives that permit abrupt > jumping around of topic, provoking thoughts and possibilities. > > Starting points and stepping stones, I am fond of these sorts of > compilations, great for picking up and putting down at random moments. > > BobC > > > www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 00:09:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9E42BV12450; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:02:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:02:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: It's time to plug my sitar & tablas into the EDP! Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:01:13 -0600 Message-ID: <008001c4b1a2$75fdeb90$6901a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Well, it's been 6 months since I've taken my sitar and tablas out of their cases, and I'm incredibly rusty, but attending Y24K and hearing all the diversity of wonderful loopers has inspired me to try looping something besides my guitar. It's time to plug my sitar & tablas into the EDPs! Bare with me on this first sample sound clip, as I'm only at 25% of my prior agility on the sitar, and I practiced for only 30 minutes before recording, but hopefully you'll get the gist...I'm just testing the waters here. I was able to record two layers of sitar loops, solo at a very rudimentary level, and then solo freely with the tablas. I may start blending the acoustic guitar in eventually...aspiring toward a virtual looped "Shakti". Let me know what you think... http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/sitar.htm The owner of a local Indian restaurant here has been bugging me to play the sitar at his venue for over a year now. The EDPs just may be my ticket to doing this, because it allows me to bring in the tablas, guitar, and other percussive instruments for loads of looping fun. ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 04:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9E8nZ613321; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:49:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:49:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Looping with the Echoplex with the Lexicon G2 slaved to its clock Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 01:48:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcSxyplDeP02TJIPQUSWyaTJkZtNyQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20041014084850.ZEAD8153.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Natives-- OK, first breakthrough in a while-- As the subject line reads, I am running guitar into the G2, then into the EDP, with the clock out of the EDP driving the G2. I want to hear from some folks who are doing this--looks like Bernhard is one, I believe Steve Lawson does this too--but first my big news. I don't have the R1 foot controller; when I bought a second hand one it didn't seem to work right so I sent it back, so I have not been able to control all the parameters of the G2 that I might like. Tonight, I was able to control the delay time ratio, using sysx generated from the unit and stored in a sequencer, then played back during a loop frenzy. This works really well--the clocks are synced, so when you window, the slave changes its time frame too. I haven't gotten that far yet (it's time for bed), but I bet I can start to control lots of the other G2 features now that have been less accessable to me up til now. I'll just dump the sysx into the PMC-10 . . . So that's my exciting if technical and abstruse news. What are some of you other G2 users doing with these two units? Does the R1 let you do this stuff? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 09:34:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EDUQf14090; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:30:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:30:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-16.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1097760560!16235385!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557DE1@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AdrenaLinn II/live looping Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:21:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4B1F0.B57704C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B1F0.B57704C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Adrenalinn I or II is awesome fun and patches can be heavily modified for increased craziness or sublety dependent on your desires. I had a I that I upgraded to a II it is real nice but, I got rid of it for a TC Electronics FireworX. I didn't get rid of it because I thought the FireworX was a replacement for it but, I found that I couldn't keep both though I wish I could have. I will likely get another at some time in the future it makes for a great mini (scaled down) rig.<< I'd spend a great deal more time playing with my mk1-upgraded-to-mk2 if I didn't have quite so many other toys & so little time. one thing that's easily forgot about the adrenalinn is that the amp/cab sims are pretty good. thus, even if you just want a stomp-box to beef up a guitar or bass (or whatever, actually), the box is already pretty good. then you've got midi-clockable delay & filter effects & a drum machine too. as for looping with other musicians, & maintaining a slightly freer feel than would be possible with everything locked to a single pulse.... make sure you can see the tempo display on each of the boxes, & set them all the same. when the drift becomes noticeable, do something about it. or not. I frequently use my repeaters like this: select "midi" for the clock, let it lock up to the sequencers &c, then drop it into "user" at the same indicated tempo. subtle but important changes start becoming noticeable. I discovered that our guitarist has been using his jam-man unclocked for some time; he'd have his usual feed of midi clock but pull the cable out because the led was bothering him. (don't know why it has to flash in that totally useless manner- the new EH got that part right. btw, anyone else had the lid off the new EH yet? there's a space on the board for a midi in socket....) duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B1F0.B57704C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: AdrenaLinn II/live looping

>>Adrenalinn I or II is awesome fun and patches can= be heavily modified for
increased craziness or sublety dependent on your desires= . I had a I that I
upgraded to a II it is real nice but, I got rid of it fo= r a TC Electronics
FireworX. I didn't get rid of it because I thought the F= ireworX was a
replacement for it but, I found that I couldn't keep bot= h though I wish I
could have. I will likely get another at some time in th= e future it makes
for a great mini (scaled down) rig.<<

I'd spend a great deal more time playing with my mk1-upgr= aded-to-mk2 if I didn't have quite so many other toys & so little time.=

one thing that's easily forgot about the adrenalinn is th= at the amp/cab sims are pretty good. thus, even if you just want a stomp-bo= x to beef up a guitar or bass (or whatever, actually), the box is already p= retty good. then you've got midi-clockable delay & filter effects &= a drum machine too.

as for looping with other musicians, & maintaining a = slightly freer feel than would be possible with everything locked to a sing= le pulse.... make sure you can see the tempo display on each of the boxes, = & set them all the same. when the drift becomes noticeable, do somethin= g about it. or not. I frequently use my repeaters like this: select "m= idi" for the clock, let it lock up to the sequencers &c, then drop= it into "user" at the same indicated tempo. subtle but important= changes start becoming noticeable. I discovered that our guitarist has bee= n using his jam-man unclocked for some time; he'd have his usual feed of mi= di clock but pull the cable out because the led was bothering him. (don't k= now why it has to flash in that totally useless manner- the new EH got that= part right. btw, anyone else had the lid off the new EH yet? there's a spa= ce on the board for a midi in socket....)

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B1F0.B57704C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 10:42:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EEcVj24239; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:38:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:38:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:39:10 -0400 Subject: was looping with other musicians - reply to douglas about switching styles on audiences From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your thoughts, Douglas - But I don't think the problem was that I switched styles on my audience. My audience to begin with wasn't at all people who like to listen to free-form avant garde music - they were mostly non-musician friends and friends of friends with no experience in avant garde looping. There seems to be something - for me at least - in putting a rhythmic loop under a song that undermines the spontaneity and emotional communication. I've experimented taping myself with and without the loops, and it consistently sounds better and sounds freer and more emotional without the loops. Not that I'm giving up looping - I love it, just will separate the looping from the songs for a while -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 10:53:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EEooF26293; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:50:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:50:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B4A132E-1DF0-11D9-94BC-000D93305B18@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Douglas Johnson Subject: Re: was looping with other musicians - reply to douglas about switching styles on audiences Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:50:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Makes sense steve. It just struck me as a possibility while reading your post. I am glad it is evident to you that this is not the case. Good luck with your new direction on the songs. On Oct 14, 2004, at 10:39 AM, steve.sandberg wrote: > Thanks for your thoughts, Douglas - > But I don't think the problem was that I switched styles on my > audience. > My audience to begin with wasn't at all people who like to listen to > free-form avant garde music - they were mostly non-musician friends and > friends of friends with no experience in avant garde looping. > There seems to be something - for me at least - in putting a rhythmic > loop > under a song that undermines the spontaneity and emotional > communication. > I've experimented taping myself with and without the loops, and it > consistently sounds better and sounds freer and more emotional without > the > loops. > Not that I'm giving up looping - I love it, just will separate the > looping > from the songs for a while -- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 10:59:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EEnwa26166; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:49:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:49:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Echoplex Manual; also AdrenaLinn II Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:48:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2004 14:49:04.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[F30EB9C0:01C4B1FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Any users of the AdrenaLinn, the effects box/rhythm station Roger Linn >created? Should it be on my Christmas list? >Gary > > > Deffinatly man, get one NOW christmas is just TOO long away. its such a great box and has replaced so much of my other boxes, its very intuative to work with and can also wok as a simple drumbox plus its midi synch is a dream, its eas to get set up and wors so well. DO IT Phill _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 12:05:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EFwDC02320; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:58:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:58:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5B4A132E-1DF0-11D9-94BC-000D93305B18@mindspring.com> References: <5B4A132E-1DF0-11D9-94BC-000D93305B18@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:57:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've seen this interesting thread passing by my inbox for a couple of days now and finally though I should throw something into the discussion. From my experience the number one trick to loop good with other musicians is to listen and make sure that you can hear and consciously follow every instrument line that is playing in the orchestra. My own capacity to simultaneously listen and react stops somewhere at three or four different orchestration components. These may be living musicians or looping machines. So if I'm playing with two other musicians I will not bring a rack with four looping machines, because I will simply not be capable of any meaningful musical interaction with that much stuff going on in the monitors (four loopers, my own instrument at hand plus two other musicians). Then my rule number two is to keep my equipment smooth to handle. The EDP is the most "playable" looper I've come across so far. One EDP, foot controller and instrument is my dream set-up for ensemble looping. I make sure to always have the feedback function at hand by an expression pedal (you don't say "have by foot", do you? lol) and I also make sure that I'm using EDP presets that will let me cut the loop length immediately, if needed. This is for changing tempo in one cut (like ending a multiply with the rec button). It's perfectly possible to not being synced to the others. If your loop is drifting, then just create a new loop and cut it exactly to the new tempo. Then you can cut them further to make counter rhythms. All the best Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 15:10:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EJ5UF23312; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:05:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:05:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <5B4A132E-1DF0-11D9-94BC-000D93305B18@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:03:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2004 19:04:28.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1645020:01C4B220] Resent-Message-ID: <49wPo.A.NqF.D3sbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > EDP is the most "playable" looper I've come across so far. One EDP, foot > controller and instrument is my dream set-up for ensemble looping. My favorite trick with the EDP (when playing with other musicians) is to use the mute/insert combination to retrigger the loop. This will start the loop over at the start-point and play it once through. If you use mute/undo combo, then it retriggers it and keeps it playing. I actually have my fcb1010 set up with three very crucial buttons: set-start-point, retrigger-once, and retrigger-continue. These are direct-midi commands in loop IV. I typically will set up a 1 bar loop, and use the retrigger-continue button on beat 1 whenever the other players start to wander, and that usually locks them right back onto it. If they're following the 1 bar loop well, then I'll multiply it out and be fairly certain that the'll be able to keep following it. If things speed up or slow down I have to use multiply/record to redefine the length of the loop, or just record-record to start a brand new identical loop at the slightly faster tempo or whatever. Want to know the secret to playing loops with groups? I contend that its all in your state of mind! To many times I hear people ask how they can get the bass player or drummer to follow their guitar loops. WRONG. If you want to make loops while playing with other musicians, you have to find a way to be able to **follow the other musicians**. There is a subtle balance between musicians when everyone is "in the groove." No one person is determining it, and everyone is working together to create it. IMHO, Its just plain selfish to interupt that balance with your forced mechanized looped groove and ask the other musicians to blindly follow you. I would be interested to hear how other people are using looping techniques to **follow** other musicians tempo and groove. Is anyone using realtime tempo adjustments (ie. repeater) with success (much like an expert DJ can beat match) to play with live musicians or records? This is something I've tried but not had much success with just yet. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 15:31:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EJNpe26030; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:23:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:23:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: RE: looping with other musicians Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:23:08 -0400 Message-ID: <5B64B32132224D41B79CABDCCACFD7038C58EE@bioebe.biotek.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: looping with other musicians Thread-Index: AcSyIMpp19D1H9XXSDqk6rZnFEh92gAAJ25A From: "Alen Cileli" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9EJN9a25971 Resent-Message-ID: <2CqWIB.A.EWG.dItbBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com We came up with an interesting way of using the EDP in a quartet a couple of weeks ago. We used a drum machine to send a MIDI pulse to my EDP...then we sent the pulse to the drummer who could listen to it in the form of a click using headphones. But the bass player and keyboard couldnt hear the click, so they just play to the drummer. So the EDP and the drummer are married using the MIDI pulse, but no one else in the band knows the difference, since we all just play to the drummer. This resulted in a great gig of completely improvised loop based jamming. The result was loop accuracy combined with the human element of the band members still playing off each other and not to the machine... -----Original Message----- From: jondrums [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping with other musicians > EDP is the most "playable" looper I've come across so far. One EDP, foot > controller and instrument is my dream set-up for ensemble looping. My favorite trick with the EDP (when playing with other musicians) is to use the mute/insert combination to retrigger the loop. This will start the loop over at the start-point and play it once through. If you use mute/undo combo, then it retriggers it and keeps it playing. I actually have my fcb1010 set up with three very crucial buttons: set-start-point, retrigger-once, and retrigger-continue. These are direct-midi commands in loop IV. I typically will set up a 1 bar loop, and use the retrigger-continue button on beat 1 whenever the other players start to wander, and that usually locks them right back onto it. If they're following the 1 bar loop well, then I'll multiply it out and be fairly certain that the'll be able to keep following it. If things speed up or slow down I have to use multiply/record to redefine the length of the loop, or just record-record to start a brand new identical loop at the slightly faster tempo or whatever. Want to know the secret to playing loops with groups? I contend that its all in your state of mind! To many times I hear people ask how they can get the bass player or drummer to follow their guitar loops. WRONG. If you want to make loops while playing with other musicians, you have to find a way to be able to **follow the other musicians**. There is a subtle balance between musicians when everyone is "in the groove." No one person is determining it, and everyone is working together to create it. IMHO, Its just plain selfish to interupt that balance with your forced mechanized looped groove and ask the other musicians to blindly follow you. I would be interested to hear how other people are using looping techniques to **follow** other musicians tempo and groove. Is anyone using realtime tempo adjustments (ie. repeater) with success (much like an expert DJ can beat match) to play with live musicians or records? This is something I've tried but not had much success with just yet. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 14 16:16:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9EKDXm31713; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:13:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:13:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: "Thilo Skusa" , "Ted Hudek" , "Tassilo Frank" , "Sid Smith" , "Rainhard Kaaden" , "Rainer Roeingh" , "Raimund Stuka" , "Philip Lampe" , "Olaf Koch" , "Matthias Becker" , "Markus Reuter" , "Klaus Stuehlen" , "Andre Wirths" , "Leander Reininghaus" , , , , , , Subject: CT-Collective website Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:14:41 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:05:22 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.250.19 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The new CT Collective website is up. It contains the collected works of the 80 musicians of this web based collective, with on-demand streaming (this needs a high speed internet connection) and mp3 download of more than 370 tracks of independent and experimental music, some background information (more will come over time), and even the artwork of the 19 project CDs. Have fun, and leave comments (you can write into the guestbook, but you can also comment on individual tracks that you like). The URL is http://www.ct-collective.com. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 15 00:41:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9F4e2t25064; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:40:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:40:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: CT-Collective website Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:39:09 -0600 Message-ID: <00ad01c4b270$eccdad40$6901a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is impressive! I just finished downloading every single song from every CD, and I plan to burn to discs tomorrow. This will give me weeks of music to listen to while at my day job....I'll be sure to submit my comments as well. Thanks, Michael! ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 2:15 PM To: Loopers Delight Cc: Thilo Skusa; Ted Hudek; Tassilo Frank; Sid Smith; Rainhard Kaaden; Rainer Roeingh; Raimund Stuka; Philip Lampe; Olaf Koch; Matthias Becker; Markus Reuter; Klaus Stuehlen; Andre Wirths; Leander Reininghaus; info@thewire.co.uk; burning.shed@virgin.net; APiltz@t-online.de; billfox@fast.net; powerspot@yahoogroups.com; davidtorn@yahoogroups.com Subject: CT-Collective website The new CT Collective website is up. It contains the collected works of the 80 musicians of this web based collective, with on-demand streaming (this needs a high speed internet connection) and mp3 download of more than 370 tracks of independent and experimental music, some background information (more will come over time), and even the artwork of the 19 project CDs. Have fun, and leave comments (you can write into the guestbook, but you can also comment on individual tracks that you like). The URL is http://www.ct-collective.com. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 15 16:16:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9FKCFo15933; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:12:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Looping with the Echoplex with the Lexicon G2 slaved to its clock Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:14:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20041014084850.ZEAD8153.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gary Andy Butler actually gave me the idea to sync them. My approach has always been to just hook things up, play them in one configuration for as long as possible to explore all possibilities and then shyly move on to further settings. Andy configured the G2 to sync in a specific way to the EDP and it was just right for me. When I came home, the battery inside the G2 had died and I lost all settings (I should always make a MIDI dump of all devices when I found a good setting). I just vaguely remembed what the setting was and I'm afraid I didn't get the same configuration back, even though I tried all kinds of combinations. But at least during those tests I learnt how the EDP slows down its MIDI timing when kicked into halfspeed (because the G2 delay doubles its time) or when choosing a subcycle division on the EDP, the G2 reacts to it (but beware: the change of subdivision only happens on the EDP when you exit the parameter edit mode. And it only changes at the moment where the current cycle has finished). And then you can configure the G2 to react to 8th, dotted 8th etc. All together this adds up to quite a field to explore to find good combinations. And of course, there are quite a number of G2 effects affected by timing so that adds yet another dimension (not speaking of your playing style: rhythmic/spheric)... Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 14. Oktober 2004 01:49 > To: 'Looper's Delight' > Subject: Looping with the Echoplex with the Lexicon G2 slaved to its > clock > > > Hi Natives-- > OK, first breakthrough in a while-- > As the subject line reads, I am running guitar into the G2, then into the > EDP, with the clock out of the EDP driving the G2. I want to > hear from some > folks who are doing this--looks like Bernhard is one, I believe > Steve Lawson > does this too--but first my big news. > I don't have the R1 foot controller; when I bought a second hand one it > didn't seem to work right so I sent it back, so I have not been able to > control all the parameters of the G2 that I might like. Tonight, > I was able > to control the delay time ratio, using sysx generated from the unit and > stored in a sequencer, then played back during a loop frenzy. This works > really well--the clocks are synced, so when you window, the slave changes > its time frame too. > I haven't gotten that far yet (it's time for bed), but I bet I > can start to > control lots of the other G2 features now that have been less > accessable to > me up til now. I'll just dump the sysx into the PMC-10 . . . > So that's my exciting if technical and abstruse news. What are > some of you > other G2 users doing with these two units? Does the R1 let you do this > stuff? > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 15 21:30:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9G1SdG23030; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:28:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:28:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <417055CD.3030201@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:57:17 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with the Echoplex with the Lexicon G2 slaved to its clock References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I didn't get a chance to reply to your first message asking if anyone else does this. I don't use a G2, but I do use a TC-Electronic G-Major, and it has MIDI synchable delays as well. Sounds like you've accomplished all that I have - basically synching the EDP and the G-Major and using various divisions on the GMaj to create interesting polyrhythms. With longer delay settings (whole note), the line between delay and loop gets blurred... which is a good thing! I like using the GMaj to effect my loops (vs. using it to apply effects to the sound that is captured in the EDP). I use my fx+preamp unit (a Roland GP-100) to get effected sounds into the loop. The GMaj is a decent, not-so-farout loop mangler. Delays and modulation are synchable, and I like that. By the way - I don't "beware" the EDP features you mentioned (EDP changes only at the cycle boundary, after you leave the parameter mode)... instead, I celebrate it! A very nice way to ensure that things happen musically, and not based on my clunk button pushing skills. Just thought I'd chime in! Doug Bernhard Wagner wrote: >Hi Gary > >Andy Butler actually gave me the idea to sync them. My approach has always >been to just hook things up, play them in one configuration for as long as >possible to explore all possibilities and then shyly move on to further >settings. Andy configured the G2 to sync in a specific way to the EDP and it >was just right for me. When I came home, the battery inside the G2 had died >and I lost all settings (I should always make a MIDI dump of all devices >when I found a good setting). I just vaguely remembed what the setting was >and I'm afraid I didn't get the same configuration back, even though I tried >all kinds of combinations. But at least during those tests I learnt how the >EDP slows down its MIDI timing when kicked into halfspeed (because the G2 >delay doubles its time) or when choosing a subcycle division on the EDP, the >G2 reacts to it (but beware: the change of subdivision only happens on the >EDP when you exit the parameter edit mode. And it only changes at the moment >where the current cycle has finished). And then you can configure the G2 to >react to 8th, dotted 8th etc. All together this adds up to quite a field to >explore to find good combinations. And of course, there are quite a number >of G2 effects affected by timing so that adds yet another dimension (not >speaking of your playing style: rhythmic/spheric)... > >Bernhard > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] >>Sent: Donnerstag, 14. Oktober 2004 01:49 >>To: 'Looper's Delight' >>Subject: Looping with the Echoplex with the Lexicon G2 slaved to its >>clock >> >> >>Hi Natives-- >>OK, first breakthrough in a while-- >>As the subject line reads, I am running guitar into the G2, then into the >>EDP, with the clock out of the EDP driving the G2. I want to >>hear from some >>folks who are doing this--looks like Bernhard is one, I believe >>Steve Lawson >>does this too--but first my big news. >>I don't have the R1 foot controller; when I bought a second hand one it >>didn't seem to work right so I sent it back, so I have not been able to >>control all the parameters of the G2 that I might like. Tonight, >>I was able >>to control the delay time ratio, using sysx generated from the unit and >>stored in a sequencer, then played back during a loop frenzy. This works >>really well--the clocks are synced, so when you window, the slave changes >>its time frame too. >>I haven't gotten that far yet (it's time for bed), but I bet I >>can start to >>control lots of the other G2 features now that have been less >>accessable to >>me up til now. I'll just dump the sysx into the PMC-10 . . . >>So that's my exciting if technical and abstruse news. What are >>some of you >>other G2 users doing with these two units? Does the R1 let you do this >>stuff? >>Gary >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 15 22:21:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9G2JXh28773; Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:19:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:19:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Interesting polyrhythms from MIDI synchable delays Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:18:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSzH5NO0L23kN0xSnahTB4zaetfjwABe75g In-Reply-To: <417055CD.3030201@pdq.net> Message-Id: <20041016021852.KXQC17415.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Doug Cox wrote: I didn't get a chance to reply to your first message asking if anyone else does this. I don't use a G2, but I do use a TC-Electronic G-Major, and it has MIDI synchable delays as well. Sounds like you've accomplished all that I have - basically synching the EDP and the G-Major and using various divisions on the GMaj to create interesting polyrhythms. With longer delay settings (whole note), the line between delay and loop gets blurred... which is a good thing! ---->Thanks Doug and Bernhard! I tried using the TC D2 to accomplish some of this, but it didn't sync as well as the G2 seems to. It occurs to me that some of this could be done with two EDPs and changing the 8th/cycles value. Since I have a second EDP I might check this out too. BTW, sending the G2 sysx while the delay is processing sound seems to generate a certain "thunk"--this might just be a function of altering the delay, I don't know, but it's probably not that noticeable to the audience. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 16 11:59:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9GFv9S21187; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:57:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:57:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041016155612.68572.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: looping with other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This remains me of the gig i played with Rick Walker in february; As we played in San Diego with Gary Rick was having problems with his looper so he just accompanied the loops i was creating without looping to much which was great.Strangely enough my EDP started acting up the following night in Mexico and i ended up doing the same thing, an entire show without me doing any loops, but i still had a blast playing to his loops! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I've seen this interesting thread passing by my > inbox for a couple of > days now and finally though I should throw something > into the > discussion. From my experience the number one trick > to loop good with > other musicians is to listen and make sure that you > can hear and > consciously follow every instrument line that is > playing in the > orchestra. My own capacity to simultaneously listen > and react stops > somewhere at three or four different orchestration > components. These > may be living musicians or looping machines. So if > I'm playing with two > other musicians I will not bring a rack with four > looping machines, > because I will simply not be capable of any > meaningful musical > interaction with that much stuff going on in the > monitors (four > loopers, my own instrument at hand plus two other > musicians). > > Then my rule number two is to keep my equipment > smooth to handle. The > EDP is the most "playable" looper I've come across > so far. One EDP, > foot controller and instrument is my dream set-up > for ensemble looping. > I make sure to always have the feedback function at > hand by an > expression pedal (you don't say "have by foot", do > you? lol) and I also > make sure that I'm using EDP presets that will let > me cut the loop > length immediately, if needed. This is for changing > tempo in one cut > (like ending a multiply with the rec button). It's > perfectly possible > to not being synced to the others. If your loop is > drifting, then just > create a new loop and cut it exactly to the new > tempo. Then you can cut > them further to make counter rhythms. > > All the best > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 16 16:42:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9GKegc20949; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:40:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:40:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <009101c4b3c1$055a98e0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Akumu & mara's torment with Bleep Visuals Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:45:07 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom (Toronto) 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 19th - Akumu and mara's torment with Bleep Visuals mara's torment (aka metro starman) returns to the PiNG, once again with a collection of works inspired by the usual cat noises and subway cars. Bleep Visuals will illuminate. http://www.marastorment.com Dark ambiences. Shadowy beats. Haunting microscapes. >From electronic artist and film composer Deane Hughes, Akumu is an exploration of atmospheres, moods and rhythms. http://www.spiderrecords.com/akumu/ Between Sets CD - "Deep Blue" by Wally Jericho Wally Jericho paints a haunting waterscape created with looped processed trumpet and deep electric bass. Recorded live at THE AMBiENT PiNG on February 15th 2000. http://www.wallyjericho.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 26th - spacenoiz & Wally Jericho http://www.pingthings.com/SPACENOIZphoenix.htm http://www.wallyjericho.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Inside the Hollow Realm" by Numina / Caul It starts very quietly, a point of silence slowly drawing away being replaced by gentle waves. And gradually, as you become accustomed to your surroundings, you find yourself "Inside the Hollow Realm". A new collaboration by Jesse Sola of Numina and Brett Smith of Caul, "Inside the Hollow Realm" is an inspired pairing that effectively blends the skills and talents of both artists in such a way as to create something new. Split into three sections of four tracks each, "Collapse of the Spiral Spire", "The Molten Void" and "A Distant Past Fades", the disc has a conceptual flavor to it, a sense of history within. 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I strongly recomend this release to all of you and I eagerly look forward to future collaborations between the two of them. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 16 18:28:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9GMRNO02615; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:27:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:27:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c4b3cd$7860e4a0$1c24f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: 123 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:14:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C4B392.CB6AFCC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C4B392.CB6AFCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check, testing...1,2,3 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C4B392.CB6AFCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C4B392.CB6AFCC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 16 22:34:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H2Whb29037; Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:32:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:32:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1dd.2e163ca5.2ea333af@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:32:15 EDT Subject: Re: 123 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1dd.2e163ca5.2ea333af_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1dd.2e163ca5.2ea333af_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robin, In a message dated 10/16/04 3:27:32 PM, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > check, testing...1,2,3 >=20 Testing check 4, 5, 6 back at ya! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_1dd.2e163ca5.2ea333af_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robin,

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--part1_1dd.2e163ca5.2ea333af_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 01:14:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H5CQr12583; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:12:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:12:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006d01c4b406$3db08ac0$7124f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: CDs of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 now available Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:00:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4B3CB.90C3CAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4B3CB.90C3CAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Robin Haas www.santacruzcollage.com rob@robinhaas.com To: Looper's Delight and beyond: About: Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival -- Y2K3 CDs (2003)=20 See new listing of this on my website Message 1 of 3 I have finally completed the 2 separate volumes of CDs of the Santa Cruz = Live Looping Festival Y2K3 (2003). One is subtitled "Guitars, etc." and = the other is subtitled "Percussion, etc." The "etc." refers to other = creative methods used with looping to create music and sound, such as = voice, found objects and even toys.=20 They are now available from me at www.santacruzcollage.com and I can be = reached at rob@robinhaas.com (The website is not really an ordering = site at this point with a credit card connection.) Each volume is = $10.00 (plus $2.00 shipping) for anyone who mentions they saw it on = Looper's Delight over the next 3 months. Otherwise, they are $12.00 per = volume, plus $2.00 shipping within the US. The postage is $.50 for each = CD past the first. Shipping may cost more outside the US, so please ask = me for an estimate. =20 I have just put some information on my website at = www.santacruzcollage.com about the Y2K3 CDs. Attention Y2K3 performer's!!!! The first CD is free (including postage) = of the specific volume that a musician or other performer who attended = the Y2K3 and on which they are featured. (See lists in following emails = to LD). Send me your mailing address by my personal email address, = rob@robinhaas.com so I can send you your free copy. If you are interested in purchasing one or more CDs, use Paypal and my = email as an account number (rob@robinhaas.com). Or, please send a check = or money order to Robin Haas, 343 Soquel Ave #36, Santa Cruz, CA = 95062-2305. A bit of background and history: I am not a musician, but I like to = record unusual things. I am a painter and an audio artist. One of my = interests is to preserve portions of the sound and culture of the Santa = Cruz area, of which I am very proud. (As an example, I will soon edit = the tapes of the annual Musical Saw Festival held in Felton near Santa = Cruz (maybe I should get the two festivals together!)).=20 I approached Rick Walker last year about recording and releasing Y2K3 on = CDs on my micro label, Santa Cruz Collage. I had previously attended two = looping and electronic festivals here which Rick had formed. I certainly = like this artform, for which I see an equation with painting. I was = surprised to hear that there were no other plans to record the Y2K3 = festival until I offered to do so. In fact, previous Santa Cruz Live = Looping festivals have never been released on CDs. Unfortunate by any = standard. As agreed with Rick Walker, a portion (25%) of the payment I = receive for the Y2K3 CDs, after the sale of the first 100 copies, goes = toward a fund for the next Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival, Y2K5.=20 These CDs are a record of the festival as well as a sampler of those who = performed at Y2K3. They also could serve as a promotion to those on the = CDs. And the CDs should serve as a promotion tool for future festivals = here and elsewhere, by their example. And the musicians may be able to = use their own track for other purposes on their own CD, etc. I have just = put these CDs on my website, with the performers listed. Additional = information on how those who are interested could contact the performers = and links the performers may want listed could be included on my = website.=20 I am very happy with how the project turned out, despite some delays. I = have listened to the pieces many dozens of times and did my utmost in = the editing of the sound to find a tasty section of each person's = performances and to bring it out to its best advantage. And then I = considered how the tracks should be combined with the other tracks (15 = tracks and almost 80 minutes per CD). Not an easy job, but worth the = work to preserve the fine sonic creativity.=20 There are many magical moments recorded on these CDs, by very skilled = live performers, some of whom came from far and wide. In a way, these = CDs represent a style manual of various ways to use the looping and = other electronic sound processing equipment, which is generally here = used with traditional musical instruments, and sometimes with the voice, = but also sometimes with nonmusical instruments such as toys. There is = much to learn by example from the tracks.=20 In October and November 2003, after many weeks were spent on editing, I = made the performer's edited pieces available to them for their approval. = Then the project hibernated through several seasons.=20 A matter of days ago, on the last day of the just held Y2K4 festival, = about 4:30 in the afternoon, I finally triumphantly came to a point = where I could hand out and sell a few CDs from both volumes on the last = day of the festival. I had been working solidly for a week before the = Y2K4 festival to complete the project and then make the first 20 CDs of = each volume. I must say completion came while running short on sleep. = First, I handed out the volume to the performers from Y2K3 who were then = present. And then I even sold about 10 of them, as well to others. I = have since made a few changes on the ordering of the tracks to put the = guitar and percussion material toward the beginning of the CDs and the = "etc." further back, with some exceptions. A few friends who heard the = CDs said it made more sense to them that way. The current track order is = listed below. So the CDs are now out, but only on a very limited distribution bases. I = want to get an ISBN number and look to wider distribution, perhaps = Amazon, CDBaby, etc. I would appreciate any advice on this matter for = those who have gone this route ahead of me toward a wider distribution = of CDs.=20 As not all musicians have yet gotten a chance to see the finished CDs, I = have posted in following emails to LD all of the printed matter for = proofing and corrections that appears on the CD packaging. As the = project still has a bit of room for revision, please get back to me soon = if you see a need for some corrections or suggestions.=20 Last year, I requested biographic, philosophical, technical and other = related information from all performers and also track names. Many did = not return this information to me then. If you would like to send some = information now, which you may want on the website, please send it to = me. If you want to change the track title (many track names I had to = make up) or a brief mention of equipment or instruments, let me know = that, as well.=20 I cannot post the cover graphics of the CDs as attachments here, = according to Looper's Delight rules for email. You will have to see them = on my website. The cover of the Guitar, etc. volume has James Sidlo on = guitar and Rick Walker on tambourine. The Percussion, etc. volume has = Wally Schnalle on drums, surrounded by electronic equipment, both were = photographed by Ted Killian at Y2K3.=20 Many thanks to all who made this project possible!=20 I will send more particulars following this email. When sent all at = once, the email was too big and did not post. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4B3CB.90C3CAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Robin Haas  www.santacruzcollage.com&nbs= p; =20 rob@robinhaas.com
 
To: Looper's Delight and = beyond:
 
About: Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival = --=20 Y2K3  CDs  (2003)
 
          &nbs= p;  =20 See new listing of this on my website
 
Message 1 of 3
 
I have finally completed the 2 separate = volumes of=20 CDs of the Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 (2003). One is = subtitled=20 "Guitars, etc." and the other is subtitled "Percussion, etc."  The = "etc."=20 refers to other creative methods used with looping to create music and = sound,=20 such as voice, found objects and even toys.
 
They are now available from me at www.santacruzcollage.com = and I can be=20 reached at  rob@robinhaas.com (The=20 website is not really an ordering site at this point with a credit card=20 connection.)  Each volume is $10.00 (plus $2.00 shipping) for = anyone who=20 mentions they saw it on Looper's Delight over the next 3 months. = Otherwise, they=20 are $12.00 per volume, plus $2.00 shipping within the US. The postage is = $.50=20 for each CD past the first. Shipping may cost more outside the US, so = please ask=20 me for an estimate. 
 
I have just put some information on my = website at=20 www.santacruzcollage.com = about the=20 Y2K3 CDs.
 
Attention Y2K3 performer's!!!! The = first CD is free=20 (including postage) of the specific volume that a musician or other = performer=20 who attended the Y2K3 and on which they are featured. (See lists in = following=20 emails to LD). Send me your mailing address by my personal email = address, rob@robinhaas.com so I can send = you your=20 free copy.
 
If you are interested in purchasing one = or more=20 CDs, use Paypal and my email as an account number (rob@robinhaas.com). Or, please = send a check=20 or money order to Robin Haas, 343 Soquel Ave #36, Santa Cruz, CA=20 95062-2305.
 
A bit of background and history: I am = not a=20 musician, but I like to record unusual things. I am a painter and an = audio=20 artist. One of my interests is to preserve portions of the sound and = culture of=20 the Santa Cruz area, of which I am very proud. (As an example, I will = soon edit=20 the tapes of the annual Musical Saw Festival held in Felton near Santa = Cruz=20 (maybe I should get the two festivals together!)).
I approached Rick = Walker=20 last year about recording and releasing Y2K3 on CDs on my micro label, = Santa=20 Cruz Collage. I had previously attended two looping and electronic = festivals=20 here which Rick had formed. I certainly like this artform, for which I = see an=20 equation with painting. I was surprised to hear that there were no other = plans=20 to record the Y2K3 festival until I offered to do so. In fact, previous = Santa=20 Cruz Live Looping festivals have never been released on CDs. Unfortunate = by any=20 standard. As agreed with Rick Walker, a portion (25%) of the payment I = receive=20 for the Y2K3 CDs, after the sale of the first 100 copies, goes toward a = fund for=20 the next Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival, Y2K5.
 
These CDs are a record of the festival = as well as a=20 sampler of those who performed at Y2K3. They also could serve as a = promotion to=20 those on the CDs. And the CDs should serve as a promotion tool for = future=20 festivals here and elsewhere, by their example. And the musicians may be = able to=20 use their own track for other purposes on their own CD, etc. I have just = put=20 these CDs on my website, with the performers listed. Additional = information on=20 how those who are interested could contact the performers and links the=20 performers may want listed could be included on my website. =
 
I am very happy with how the project = turned out,=20 despite some delays. I have listened to the pieces many dozens of times = and did=20 my utmost in the editing of the sound to find a tasty section of each = person's=20 performances and to bring it out to its best advantage. And then I = considered=20 how the tracks should be combined with the other tracks (15 tracks and = almost 80=20 minutes per CD). Not an easy job, but worth the work to preserve the = fine sonic=20 creativity.
 
There are many magical moments recorded = on these=20 CDs, by very skilled live performers, some of whom came from far and = wide. In a=20 way, these CDs represent a style manual of various ways to use the = looping and=20 other electronic sound processing equipment, which is generally here = used with=20 traditional musical instruments, and sometimes with the voice, but also=20 sometimes with nonmusical instruments such as toys. There is much to = learn by=20 example from the tracks.
 
In October and November 2003, after = many weeks were=20 spent on editing, I made the performer's edited pieces available to them = for=20 their approval. Then the project hibernated through several seasons.=20
 
A matter of days ago, on the last day = of the just=20 held Y2K4 festival, about 4:30 in the afternoon, I finally triumphantly = came to=20 a point where I could hand out and sell a few CDs from both volumes on = the last=20 day of the festival. I had been working solidly for a week before the = Y2K4=20 festival to complete the project and then make the first  20 CDs of = each=20 volume. I must say completion came while running short on sleep. First, = I handed=20 out the volume to the performers from Y2K3 who were then present. And = then I=20 even sold about 10 of them, as well to others. I have since made a few = changes=20 on the ordering of the tracks to put the guitar and percussion material = toward=20 the beginning of the CDs and the "etc." further back, with some = exceptions. A=20 few friends who heard the CDs said it made more sense to them that way. = The=20 current track order is listed below.
 
So the CDs are now out, but only on a = very limited=20 distribution bases. I want to get an ISBN number and look to wider = distribution,=20 perhaps Amazon, CDBaby, etc. I would appreciate any advice on this = matter for=20 those who have gone this route ahead of me toward a wider distribution = of CDs.=20
 
As not all musicians have yet gotten a = chance to=20 see the finished CDs, I have posted in following emails to LD all of the = printed=20 matter for proofing and corrections that appears on the CD packaging. As = the=20 project still has a bit of room for revision, please get back to me soon = if you=20 see a need for some corrections or suggestions.
 
Last year, I requested biographic, = philosophical,=20 technical and other related information from all performers and also = track=20 names. Many did not return this information to me then. If you would = like to=20 send some information now, which you may want on the website, please = send it to=20 me. If you want to change the track title (many track names I had to = make up) or=20 a brief mention of equipment or instruments, let me know that, as well.=20
 
I cannot post the cover graphics of the = CDs as=20 attachments here, according to Looper's Delight rules for email. You = will have=20 to see them on my website. The cover of the Guitar, etc. volume has = James Sidlo=20 on guitar and Rick Walker on tambourine. The Percussion, etc. volume has = Wally=20 Schnalle on drums, surrounded by electronic equipment, both were = photographed by=20 Ted Killian at Y2K3.
 
Many thanks to all who made this = project possible!=20
 
I will send more particulars following = this email.=20 When sent all at once, the email was too big and did not=20 post.
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C4B3CB.90C3CAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 01:22:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H5Eop12976; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:14:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:14:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007b01c4b406$8ec07ec0$7124f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: Santa Cruz Live Looping CD Vol 1 Guitars, etc. Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:02:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C4B3CB.E1EC28A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C4B3CB.E1EC28A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Robin Haas www.santacruzcollage.com rob@robinhaas.com To: Looper's Delight and beyond: About: Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival -- Y2K3 CDs (2003)=20 See new listing of this on my website Message 2 of 3 ----------------------------------- Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival -- Y2K3 -- Volume 1 Guitars, etc. ----------------------------------- Performer List: 1. Michael Klobuchar=20 "Mon Petite Choux" -- Looped guitar (Carvin AE-185 > Alesis "Ineko" = > Boomerang > p.a.). 2. Mark Hamburg "Embers" -- Looped guitar. 3. Stan Card -- Stanitarium "Nunes the Killer" -- Looped guitar, and big California-made amps = and big speakers. 4. Gareth Whittock "Facing the Infinite One" -- Looped double guitar, voice effects and = prepared track. 5. Scott Kungha Drengsen "A Brilliant Cloud that Appears" -- Looped guitar and poem. 6. Max Valentino and Rick Walker "Rockin' the House Loop" -- Looped guitar, percussion, horn, voice, = clapping and etc.=20 7. James Sidlo with Rick Walker "Heavy Mental" -- Looped guitar, percussion. 8. John Whooley "Loop Do Loop" -- Layered looped voice. 9. Joe Balestreri -- Metaman "Pyramid #5" -- Looped trumpet with prepared track. 10. Bill Walker "Autumnal Arrival" -- Looped guitar and percussion. 11. Phyll Smith -- Dark Muse "Umbra" -- Looped voice, percussion, and sonic alchemy. 12. Ted Killian and the Phantom Drum Machinist "Santas Cruzadas" -- Looped guitar with drum machine. 13. Rick Walker=20 "Sweet Beat Suite" -- Various looped percussion instruments. 14. Amy X Neuburg "Insomniac" -- Techno-cabaret style song, with keyboard, sampled = effects and looping. 15. Wayne Jackson "Layered Thought" -- Looped voice collage and electronic circuits = sounds. All rights to the material on this CD are held by the respective = performers, and are here used by their kind permission. This edited CD = compilation is copyrighted by Robin Haas 2004, and this in no way = restricts the musicians from their full use of their own material. Amy X = Neuburg's material is copyrighted by her and published by Spoonerism = Music/BMI and is used by her permission. ------------------------------------ Ucard (back) For Volume One: Guitar, etc. On October 10th, 11th, and 12th, 2003, about 30 live looping musicians = from all around the US, and a guitarist from Wales, performed in Santa = Cruz, California at one of the largest events of its kind in history: = the Live Looping Festival Y2K3. The event was organized by one of live = looping's best champions and performers, Rick Walker. He has made Santa = Cruz what may be considered the live looping center of the world with = this annual festival.=20 Live looping is done by digital or analog electronic delay equipment = which allows a musician or other performer to clone their sound creation = on the fly, while playing live in front of an audience. This sound = manipulation can be as simple as repeating a phrase, or merge into = varied and complex sound structures, or become atmospheric, rhythmic = backgrounds for a solo or group musical performance. Other forms of = sound processing are often used with looping. The possibilities are = endless... As this "Volume One: Guitars, etc." demonstrates, the live looping = movement has no musical genre that defines or limits it, although it = usually remains very musical. The techniques cross many musical = boundaries of styles. This CD serves as a sampler of about half of the = performers from the festival, with 15 tracks of music (and some voice), = including looped performances by guitarists, percussionists, a trumpet = player, a techno song artist, a circuit bending voice collage artist, = and other points of departure (further details included within). I feel = certain you will enjoy the beautiful music and sounds as they bring some = new, yet very listenable experiences to the ears and mind from the Y2K3 = looping festival's many fine performances. ----------------------------------- Inside liner notes Volume 1 Please see the companion CD made at Y2K3. It is called "Santa Cruz Live = Looping Festival Y2K3, Volume Two: Percussion, etc." As this present = "Guitars, etc." CD also includes a variety of other sound making = methods, the "Percussion, etc." CD also includes looped tracks made with = guitar and other sound making methods, as well. Variety is what the = "etc." means in the title.=20 My website, www.santacruzcollage.com, from which these two CDs can be = ordered, has more information on the included performers and how to get = in touch with them. The performers may have CDs or want to tell you = about their upcoming performances. Also, see Looper's Delight = (www.loopersdelight.com) which has much on the topic of looping. Rick = Walker's own website is www.looppool.info. The cover photograph of James = Sidlo on guitar and Rick Walker on tambourine with looping equipment was = taken during the looping festival by Ted Killian.=20 I give my appreciation to the many musicians and performers who made = this project possible by their kind permission and help. And many thanks = to Peter Coates of Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) where this = performance took place. He was of great help in having the festival at = his venue, running the audio board and accommodating my connecting to = his board with my recording equipment. A Windows-based IBM clone, with = four audio input channels was used to record the loop festival. Two = channels were connected to the sound board and the musicians and two = were used for the ceiling-mounted mikes for ambient sound. Two Lynx One = cards and Cool Edit Pro were used for both the recording and editing of = this project.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C4B3CB.E1EC28A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Robin Haas  www.santacruzcollage.com&nbs= p; =20 rob@robinhaas.com
 
To: Looper's Delight and = beyond:
 
About: Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival = --=20 Y2K3  CDs  (2003)
 
          &nbs= p;  =20 See new listing of this on my  website
 
Message 2 of 3
 
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Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival  = -- =20 Y2K3  --  Volume 1  Guitars, etc.
 
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Performer=20 List:
 
1. Michael Klobuchar =
    "Mon=20 Petite Choux" -- Looped guitar (Carvin AE-185 > Alesis "Ineko" > = Boomerang=20 > p.a.).
 
2. Mark Hamburg
    = "Embers" --=20 Looped guitar.
 
3. Stan Card -- = Stanitarium
   =20 "Nunes the Killer" -- Looped guitar, and big California-made amps and = big=20 speakers.
 
4. Gareth = Whittock
    "Facing=20 the Infinite One" -- Looped double guitar, voice effects and prepared=20 track.
 
5. Scott Kungha = Drengsen
    "A=20 Brilliant Cloud that Appears" -- Looped guitar and poem.
 
6. Max Valentino and Rick=20 Walker
    "Rockin' the House Loop" -- Looped guitar,=20 percussion, horn, voice, clapping and etc.
 
7. James Sidlo with Rick=20 Walker
    "Heavy Mental" -- Looped guitar,=20 percussion.
 
8. John Whooley
    = "Loop Do=20 Loop" -- Layered looped voice.
 
9. Joe Balestreri -- = Metaman
   =20 "Pyramid #5" -- Looped trumpet with prepared track.
 
10. Bill Walker
    = "Autumnal=20 Arrival" -- Looped guitar and percussion.
 
11. Phyll Smith -- Dark = Muse
   =20 "Umbra" -- Looped voice, percussion, and sonic alchemy.
 
12. Ted Killian and the Phantom Drum=20 Machinist
    "Santas Cruzadas" -- Looped guitar with = drum=20 machine.
 
13. Rick Walker
    = "Sweet Beat=20 Suite" -- Various looped percussion instruments.
 
14. Amy X Neuburg
    = "Insomniac"=20 -- Techno-cabaret style song, with keyboard, sampled effects and=20 looping.
 
15. Wayne Jackson
    = "Layered=20 Thought" -- Looped voice collage and electronic circuits = sounds.
 
All rights to the material on this CD = are held by=20 the respective performers, and are here used by their kind permission. = This=20 edited CD compilation is copyrighted by Robin Haas 2004, and this in no = way=20 restricts the musicians from their full use of their own material. Amy X = Neuburg's material is copyrighted by her and published by Spoonerism = Music/BMI=20 and is used by her permission.
 
------------------------------------
 
Ucard (back) For Volume One: Guitar,=20 etc.
 
On October 10th, 11th, and 12th, 2003, = about 30=20 live looping musicians from all around the US, and a guitarist from = Wales,=20 performed in Santa Cruz, California at one of the largest events of its = kind in=20 history: the Live Looping Festival  Y2K3. The event was organized = by one of=20 live looping's best champions and performers, Rick Walker. He has made = Santa=20 Cruz what may be considered the live looping center of the world with = this=20 annual festival.
 
Live looping is done by digital or = analog=20 electronic delay equipment which allows a musician or other performer to = clone=20 their sound creation on the fly, while playing live in front of an = audience.=20 This sound manipulation can be as simple as repeating a phrase, or merge = into=20 varied and complex sound structures, or become atmospheric, rhythmic = backgrounds=20 for a solo or group musical performance. Other forms of sound processing = are=20 often used with looping. The possibilities are endless...
 
As this "Volume One: Guitars, etc." = demonstrates,=20 the live looping movement has no musical genre that defines or limits = it,=20 although it usually remains very musical. The techniques cross many = musical=20 boundaries of styles. This CD serves as a sampler of about half of the=20 performers from the festival, with 15 tracks of music (and some voice),=20 including looped performances by guitarists, percussionists, a trumpet = player, a=20 techno song artist, a circuit bending voice collage artist, and other = points of=20 departure (further details included within). I feel certain you will = enjoy the=20 beautiful music and sounds as they bring some new, yet very listenable=20 experiences to the ears and mind from the Y2K3 looping festival's many = fine=20 performances.
 
-----------------------------------
Inside liner=20 notes Volume 1
 
Please see the companion CD made at = Y2K3. It is=20 called "Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3, Volume Two: Percussion, = etc." As=20 this present "Guitars, etc." CD also includes a variety of other sound = making=20 methods, the "Percussion, etc." CD also includes looped tracks made with = guitar=20 and other sound making methods, as well. Variety is what the "etc." = means in the=20 title.
 
My website, www.santacruzcollage.com, = from which=20 these two CDs can be ordered, has more information on the included = performers=20 and how to get in touch with them. The performers may have CDs or want = to tell=20 you about their upcoming performances. Also, see Looper's Delight (www.loopersdelight.com) which = has much=20 on the topic of looping. Rick Walker's own website is www.looppool.info. The cover = photograph of=20 James Sidlo on guitar and Rick Walker on tambourine with looping = equipment was=20 taken during the looping festival by Ted Killian.
 
I give my appreciation to the many = musicians and=20 performers who made this project possible by their kind permission and = help. And=20 many thanks to Peter Coates of Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) where this=20 performance took place. He was of great help in having the festival at = his=20 venue, running the audio board and accommodating my connecting to his = board with=20 my recording equipment. A Windows-based IBM clone, with four audio input = channels was used to record the loop festival. Two channels were = connected to=20 the sound board and the musicians and two were used for the = ceiling-mounted=20 mikes for ambient sound. Two Lynx One cards and Cool Edit Pro were used = for both=20 the recording and editing of this project. =
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C4B3CB.E1EC28A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 01:23:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H5GBp13094; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:16:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:16:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <008401c4b406$c8b31700$7124f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: Santa Cruz Live Looping CD Vol 2 Percussion, etc Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:04:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4B3CC.1BDEC0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4B3CC.1BDEC0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Robin Haas www.santacruzcollage.com rob@robinhaas.com To: Looper's Delight and beyond: About: Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival -- Y2K3 CDs (2003)=20 =20 See new listing of this on my website. Message 3 of 3 ----------------------------------- Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival -- Y2K3 -- Volume 2 Percussion, = etc. ----------------------------------- Performer's List:=20 1. Timothy Crowe "Skin Dance" -- Looped drum. 2. Gary Regina=20 "Two Sax Swing " -- Looped two saxes played at once and one very = busy mouth with prepared track. 3. Daniel Thomas "First Growth" -- Looped guitar, keyboard and percussion. 4. Koorosh Daryaie "Sitting Pretty" -- Looped percussion, guitar. 5. Steve Rice "Charm Trance" -- Looped percussion and guitar. 6. Andre Costodio "Time Spacings" -- Looped percussion. 7. Wally Schnalle "Bouncing Beat" -- Looped percussion, keyboard. 8. Gareth Whittock "Wales Song" -- Looped double guitar, voice and prepared track. 9. Steve Robertson with Rick Walker and Wally Schnalle "Pan American Rhythm" -- Various looped percussion instruments. 10. Phyll Smith -- Dark Muse "Penumbra" -- Looped percussion, tube, voice and ethereal sonic = alchemy. 11. George Demarest "Trumpet's Run" -- Looped trumpet, with prepared track. 12. Matt Davignon "Those Creatures" -- Looped phonograph records 13. Jon Wagner "California Kalimba" -- Looped percussion and whistle. 14. Amy X Neuburg "Life Stepped In" -- Looped voice and sampled sounds. 15. Rick Walker and Bill Walker "Looper's Tribute" -- Looped percussion and guitar. All rights to the material on this CD are held by the respective = performers, and are here used by their kind permission. This edited CD = compilation is copyrighted by Robin Haas 2004, and this in no way = restricts the musicians from their full use of their own material. Amy X = Neuburg's material is copyrighted by her and published by Spoonerism = Music/BMI and is used by her permission. ------------------------------------ U card (back) for Volume 2 Percussion, etc. On October 10th, 11th, and 12th, 2003, about 30 live looping musicians = from all around the US, and a guitarist from Wales, performed in Santa = Cruz, California at one of the largest events of its kind in history: = the Live Looping Festival Y2K3. The event was organized by one of live = looping's best champions and performers, Rick Walker. He has made Santa = Cruz what may be considered the live looping center of the world with = this annual festival.=20 Live looping is done by digital or analog electronic delay equipment = which allows a musician or other performer to clone their sound creation = on the fly, while playing live in front of an audience. This sound = manipulation can be as simple as repeating a phrase, or merge into = complex sound structures, or become atmospheric, rhythmic backgrounds = for a solo or group musical performance. Other sound processing methods = are often used with looping. The possibilities are endless... As this "Volume Two: Percussion, etc." demonstrates, the live looping = movement has no musical genre that defines or limits it. The technique = crosses many musical boundaries and appears in a wide range of styles. = This CD serves as a sampler of about half of the performers from the = festival, 15 musical artists and their styles, including looped = performances by solo percussionists, guitarists, multi-reed and brass = players, a techno song artist, and other points of departure (further = details included within). I feel certain you will enjoy the beautiful = music and sounds as they bring some new, yet very listenable experiences = to the ears and mind from the Y2K3 looping festival's many fine = performances. ------------------------------------ Inside Liner notes for volume 2: Percussion., etc. Please see the companion volume to this CD: "Santa Cruz Live Looping = Festival Y2K3 Volume One: Guitars, etc." As this present "Percussion, = etc." also includes a variety of other sound making methods, the = "Guitar, etc." (Volume One) also includes tracks made with percussion = and other sound making methods, as well. Variety is what the "etc." = means in the title.=20 My website, www.santacruzcollage.com, from which these two CDs can be = ordered, has more information on the included performers and how to get = in touch with them. The performers may have CDs they offer or they may = to want to tell you about their upcoming performances. Also, see = Looper's Delight (www.loopersdelight.com) which has much on the topic of = looping. Rick Walker's own website is www.looppool.info. The cover = photograph of Wally Schnalle on percussion and looping equipment was = taken during the looping festival by Ted Killian.=20 I give my appreciation to the many musicians and performers who made = this project possible by their kind permission and help. And many thanks = to Peter Coates of Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) where this = performance took place. He was of great help in having the festival at = his venue, running the audio board and accommodating my connecting to = his board with my recording equipment. A Windows-based IBM clone, with = four audio input channels was used to record the loop festival. Two = channels were connected to the sound board and the musicians and two = were used for the ceiling-mounted mikes for ambient sound. Two Lynx One = cards and Cool Edit Pro were used for both the recording and editing of = this project.=20 END ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4B3CC.1BDEC0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Robin Haas  www.santacruzcollage.com&nbs= p; =20 rob@robinhaas.com
 
To: Looper's Delight and = beyond:
 
About: Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival = --=20 Y2K3  CDs  (2003)=20
           &nb= sp; =20
           &nb= sp; =20 See new listing of this on my website.
 
Message 3 of 3
 

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Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival  --  Y2K3  --  = Volume=20 2 Percussion, etc.
 
-----------------------------------
Performer's List:
 
1. Timothy Crowe
    "Skin Dance" -- Looped = drum.
 
2. Gary Regina
    "Two Sax Swing " -- Looped = two saxes=20 played at once and one very busy mouth with prepared track.
 
3. Daniel Thomas
    "First Growth" -- Looped = guitar,=20 keyboard and percussion.
 
4. Koorosh Daryaie
    "Sitting Pretty" -- Looped = percussion, guitar.
 
5. Steve Rice
    "Charm Trance" --  Looped=20 percussion and guitar.
 
6. Andre Costodio
    "Time Spacings" -- Looped=20 percussion.
 
7. Wally Schnalle
    "Bouncing Beat" -- Looped=20 percussion, keyboard.
 
8. Gareth Whittock
    "Wales Song" -- Looped = double=20 guitar, voice and prepared track.
 
9. Steve Robertson with Rick Walker and Wally=20 Schnalle
    "Pan American Rhythm" -- Various looped=20 percussion instruments.
 
10. Phyll Smith -- Dark Muse
    "Penumbra" -- = Looped=20 percussion, tube, voice and ethereal sonic alchemy.
 
11. George Demarest
    "Trumpet's Run" --  = Looped=20 trumpet, with prepared track.
 
12. Matt Davignon
    "Those Creatures" -- Looped = phonograph records
 
13. Jon Wagner
    "California Kalimba" -- Looped = percussion and whistle.
 
14. Amy X Neuburg
    "Life Stepped In" -- Looped = voice=20 and sampled sounds.
 
15. Rick Walker and Bill Walker
    "Looper's = Tribute" --=20 Looped percussion and guitar.
 
All rights to the material on this CD are held by the respective=20 performers, and are here used by their kind permission. This edited CD=20 compilation is copyrighted by Robin Haas 2004, and this in no way = restricts the=20 musicians from their full use of their own material. Amy X Neuburg's = material is=20 copyrighted by her and published by Spoonerism Music/BMI and is used by = her=20 permission.
 

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U card (back) for = Volume 2=20 Percussion, etc.
 

On October 10th, 11th, and 12th, 2003, about 30 live looping = musicians=20 from all around the US, and a guitarist from Wales, performed in Santa = Cruz,=20 California at one of the largest events of its kind in history: the Live = Looping=20 Festival  Y2K3. The event was organized by one of live looping's = best=20 champions and performers, Rick Walker. He has made Santa Cruz what may = be=20 considered the live looping center of the world with this annual = festival.=20
 
Live looping is done by digital or analog electronic delay = equipment which=20 allows a musician or other performer to clone their sound creation on = the fly,=20 while playing live in front of an audience. This sound manipulation can = be as=20 simple as repeating a phrase, or merge into complex sound structures, or = become=20 atmospheric, rhythmic backgrounds for a solo or group musical = performance. Other=20 sound processing methods are often used with looping. The possibilities = are=20 endless...
 
As this "Volume Two: Percussion, etc." demonstrates, the live = looping=20 movement has no musical genre that defines or limits it. The technique = crosses=20 many musical boundaries and appears in a wide range of styles. This CD = serves as=20 a sampler of about half of the performers from the festival, 15 musical = artists=20 and their styles, including looped performances by solo percussionists,=20 guitarists, multi-reed and brass players, a techno song artist, and = other points=20 of departure (further details included within). I feel certain you will = enjoy=20 the beautiful music and sounds as they bring some new, yet very = listenable=20 experiences to the ears and mind from the Y2K3 looping festival's many = fine=20 performances.
 
------------------------------------
Inside Liner notes for = volume 2:=20 Percussion., etc.
 
Please see the companion volume to this CD: "Santa Cruz Live = Looping=20 Festival Y2K3 Volume One: Guitars, etc."  As this present = "Percussion,=20 etc." also includes a variety of other sound making methods, the = "Guitar, etc."=20 (Volume One) also includes tracks made with percussion and other sound = making=20 methods, as well. Variety is what the "etc." means in the title.
 
My website, www.santacruzcollage.com, = from which=20 these two CDs can be ordered, has more information on the included = performers=20 and how to get in touch with them. The performers may have CDs they = offer or=20 they may to want to tell you about their upcoming performances. Also, = see=20 Looper's Delight (www.loopersdelight.com) which = has much=20 on the topic of looping. Rick Walker's own website is www.looppool.info. The cover = photograph of=20 Wally Schnalle on percussion and looping equipment was taken during the = looping=20 festival by Ted Killian.
 
I give my appreciation to the many musicians and performers who = made this=20 project possible by their kind permission and help. And many thanks to = Peter=20 Coates of Cayuga Vault (www.cayugavault.com) where this=20 performance took place. He was of great help in having the festival at = his=20 venue, running the audio board and accommodating my connecting to his = board with=20 my recording equipment. A Windows-based IBM clone, with four audio input = channels was used to record the loop festival. Two channels were = connected to=20 the sound board and the musicians and two were used for the = ceiling-mounted=20 mikes for ambient sound. Two Lynx One cards and Cool Edit Pro were used = for both=20 the recording and editing of this project.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C4B3CC.1BDEC0E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 02:15:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H68Ro18027; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:08:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:08:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004f01c4b40f$a5c02a40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" References: <200410170522.i9H5M8914022@hemlock.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K3 CDs Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:07:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <0hE4FB.A.3YE.9wgcBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com re: Y2K3 Live Looping Festival CDs I wanted to let everyone know what a fine job Robin Haas did on the Y2K3 double CD on how incredibly hard he worked on it. Having recorded the entire Y2K2 Looping Festival myself (with help from David Fitzpatrick and the Cayuga Vault's Pete Coates) I can attest to the fact that recording all three days of a multiple artist festival is a grueling task just for the 24 hours of recording alone. Factor in listening to all of the material several times; editing out each artists complete performance; mailing it to them; getting their feedback; doing all the editing; all the artwork; assembling the liner notes and instrument lists; burning the discs; printing and affixing the artwork is just a gargantuan project............the equivalent of putting out about 12 live CDs by an individual artist by my reckoning. That being said and done, Robin's was a labor of love and he deserves $30/CD in my estimation. After Y2K2 I swore I would never take such a task on again. So, I heartily endorse buying this CD: there may not be another like it of such scope. In future festivals, I will offer artists a stereo output if they want to bring there own recording rig but I'm fairly sure I won't be recording the whole thing..........just too much work for the gain. Thanks a lot Robin. The looping community owes you a big one. yours, Rick Walker (director of the Y2K_ Live Looping Festivals) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 02:44:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H6b9E20900; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:37:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:37:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410162042.i9GKg2K21200@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410162042.i9GKg2K21200@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:36:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you're creating rhythmic loops, either everyone follows the pulse of the loops, or you get a machine to stretch the loop as needed, or you keep your loops short and with few layers so you can re-record on the fly. If you're playing with people who use terms like "selfish forced mechanized looped groove", then I wouldn't spend much time with the first approach. I usually end up playing with people I like to play with for various reasons totally independent of their acceptance or ability to work with loops of any sort. I don't have the luxury of replacing someone who's not in line with my looping outlook (a very small subset of my musical philosophy when playing in a non-solo context). So, if they click with loops, great, and if they don't I'm not going to give them a Come To Jesus talk. For me, much of the beauty of loops is the mechanized repetition. You can add and subtract to the groove, but having a steady pulse has its own strong appeal. The two ensemble situations I've been in where looping worked really well were a drummerless trio with a dj/programmer where everyone followed the forced mechanized groove loops in his sequencer and with a particular drummer who absolutely loved to play with a groove box handling the basic timekeeping role. If everyone in your band is comfortable with a click, the click vanishes and the groove doesn't feel labored. The second to last thing I want to do onstage is worry about when to re-record a loop because the collective tempo has shifted. TravisH On Oct 16, 2004, at 1:42 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Want to know the secret to playing loops with groups? I contend that > its all in your state of mind! To many times I hear people ask how > they can get the bass player or drummer to follow their guitar loops. > WRONG. If you want to make loops while playing with other musicians, > you have to find a way to be able to **follow the other musicians**. > There is a subtle balance between musicians when everyone is "in the > groove." No one person is determining it, and everyone is working > together to create it. IMHO, Its just plain selfish to interupt that > balance with your forced mechanized looped groove and ask the other > musicians to blindly follow you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 02:59:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H6weN24379; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:58:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:58:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c4b415$525f32a0$9e27f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <200410170522.i9H5M8914022@hemlock.violacea.com> <004f01c4b40f$a5c02a40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Y2K3 CDs and the kind words Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:48:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you Rick for the very kind words of support! I am happy with how the project came out, and again, thanks for allowing me to take on the looping festival. I went through some growth doing it and it will serve as a model of how to do other collaborative projects with others who may not otherwise be adequately recorded and their work preserved. I would like to work with local poets next. Much material there, as our creative culture continually unfolds.... Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:07 PM Subject: Y2K3 CDs > re: Y2K3 Live Looping Festival CDs > > I wanted to let everyone know what a fine job Robin Haas did on the Y2K3 > double CD > on how incredibly hard he worked on it. > > Having recorded the entire Y2K2 Looping Festival myself (with help from > David Fitzpatrick and > the Cayuga Vault's Pete Coates) I can attest to the fact that recording all > three days of a multiple > artist festival is a grueling task just for the 24 hours of recording alone. > > Factor in listening to all of the material several times; editing out each > artists complete performance; mailing it > to them; getting their feedback; doing all the editing; all the artwork; > assembling the liner notes and instrument lists; > burning the discs; printing and affixing the artwork is just a gargantuan > project............the equivalent of putting > out about 12 live CDs by an individual artist by my reckoning. > > That being said and done, Robin's was a labor of love and he deserves > $30/CD in my estimation. After > Y2K2 I swore I would never take such a task on again. > > So, I heartily endorse buying this CD: there may not be another like it > of such scope. In future festivals, I will > offer artists a stereo output if they want to bring there own recording rig > but I'm fairly sure I won't be recording the whole > thing..........just too much work for the gain. > > Thanks a lot Robin. The looping community owes you a big one. > > yours, Rick Walker > (director of the Y2K_ Live Looping Festivals) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 03:14:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H72qI25175; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:02:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:02:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: Y2K3 CDs Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:02:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004f01c4b40f$a5c02a40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick, How wonderful. How can I get a copy of that CD? Adrian West www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:08 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Y2K3 CDs re: Y2K3 Live Looping Festival CDs I wanted to let everyone know what a fine job Robin Haas did on the Y2K3 double CD on how incredibly hard he worked on it. Having recorded the entire Y2K2 Looping Festival myself (with help from David Fitzpatrick and the Cayuga Vault's Pete Coates) I can attest to the fact that recording all three days of a multiple artist festival is a grueling task just for the 24 hours of recording alone. Factor in listening to all of the material several times; editing out each artists complete performance; mailing it to them; getting their feedback; doing all the editing; all the artwork; assembling the liner notes and instrument lists; burning the discs; printing and affixing the artwork is just a gargantuan project............the equivalent of putting out about 12 live CDs by an individual artist by my reckoning. That being said and done, Robin's was a labor of love and he deserves $30/CD in my estimation. After Y2K2 I swore I would never take such a task on again. So, I heartily endorse buying this CD: there may not be another like it of such scope. In future festivals, I will offer artists a stereo output if they want to bring there own recording rig but I'm fairly sure I won't be recording the whole thing..........just too much work for the gain. Thanks a lot Robin. The looping community owes you a big one. yours, Rick Walker (director of the Y2K_ Live Looping Festivals) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 03:22:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H7Llw27981; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:21:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:21:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1BC8B764-200D-11D9-ABE9-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Seattle area): Travis Hartnett Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:21:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-OidQC.A.YxG.j1hcBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A pair of out-of-town shows this week, free admission, family friendly, acoustic guitar live looping, yadda yadda yadda: *Oct. 21, Thursday, 8-10PM Mandolin Cafe (3923 S.12th Street, Tacoma) *Oct. 23, Saturday, 8PM Pegasus Cafe (131 Parfitt Way SW, Bainbridge Island) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 04:37:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H8Z6707484; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:35:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:35:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <006d01c4b406$3db08ac0$7124f604@r1x5s0> References: <006d01c4b406$3db08ac0$7124f604@r1x5s0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B1B68FA-2017-11D9-B2DE-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: CDs of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 now available Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:34:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9H8YXa07410 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 17, 2004, at 7:00, Robin Haas wrote: > Shipping may cost more outside the US, so please ask me for an > estimate.  Hi Robin, How much shall I paypal you for shipping the three discs to Sweden? And many thanks for documenting the festival! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 05:18:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9H9HCf11803; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:17:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:17:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NqBlC3MKT35rA9iVqmevbO2f1lB60jPF9qBRW6l98Xfe/EAGx7DvJhq9ImKTHRcQ864x/NxJ4fFEAtUI5dh2+QZHNSt9qyPl2u1MHXhRihG1JZ6lLPp5R+gHb+/pEvNsTKWfa9jom6NFtaFAB0yJyv2aVvTeB1LDlVQRyQ9OX9I Message-ID: <8689ad1f041017021647c6f7a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 02:16:44 -0700 From: | SquidLoop | Reply-To: | SquidLoop | To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ebay Spam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have a Boss VF1 with Roland EV5 up on ebay right now. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3755398398 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 10:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9HEu8E16302; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:56:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:56:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <005901c4b455$e9a76ca0$9e27f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <006d01c4b406$3db08ac0$7124f604@r1x5s0> <5B1B68FA-2017-11D9-B2DE-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Subject: Re: CDs of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 now available Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:30:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for your inquiry about purchasing the 2 (not 3) Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y3K3 (2003) CDs and sending them to Sweden. I will have to weigh them Monday and find out from the Post Office and will get back to you with the shipping amount. As you saw them on Looper's Delight, they are $10.00 each, reduced from the $12.00 each, plus the yet unknown shipping cost. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:34 AM Subject: Re: CDs of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 now available > On Oct 17, 2004, at 7:00, Robin Haas wrote: > > > Shipping may cost more outside the US, so please ask me for an > > estimate. > > Hi Robin, > > How much shall I paypal you for shipping the three discs to Sweden? And > many thanks for documenting the festival! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 14:17:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9HIEGK04817; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:14:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:14:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Sound Generator for Finale Notation Software? 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------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C4B442.B17E1D50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 15:02:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9HIvsk12025; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:57:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:57:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041017185716.42700.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: New CD release "Primeros Ciclos" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <284A5AC4-1526-11D9-B187-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-FmrHC.A.G6C.RCscBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Gang, Just wanted to share with you that finally my new CD "Primeros Ciclos" is out, i presented it last week at Heiko Haschlars "Museumsnacht Kunst Austellung" and you might be able to preview some of the tracks at my website http://www.luis-angulo.com/new-projects.htm/ i am still amazed that 24 copies were sold! anyway i don´t want to ramble too much about it ,the CD is a combination of loops done with the EDP and produced here in my home studio plus 3 tracks which were recorded live in Brescia Italy. If u are interested in purchasing one,i should have it at CD baby available soon,which will be selling for 12.00dlls. otherwise if u would like to get one now mail me privately,i will be selling them for 8.00 dlls to loopers-delight members plus shipping) Thank you all kindly for your support and loop on! Luis ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 17 15:07:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9HIvtT12027; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:57:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:57:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <142.3606a686.2ea41a8e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:57:18 EDT Subject: Re: CDs of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 now available To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_142.3606a686.2ea41a8e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_142.3606a686.2ea41a8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/17/04 1:15:05 AM, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > I have finally completed the 2 separate volumes of CDs of the Santa Cruz > Live Looping Festival Y2K3 (2003). > imagine my joy and delight when robin walked through the doors of the "resonent church" last sunday, add to that the box of cds in his arms.....now imagine my ears smiling at the wealth of music on said cds.....WHAT AN EXCELLENT LABOR OF LOVE!!!!!.....THANK YOU ROBIN.....to see my name listed with the likes of AMY X, GARY REGINA, DA WALKER BROTHERS, MATT DAVIGNON, ETC ETC.....well, you get the idea.....so before you go to the CT-COLLECTIVE and snarf up all the tunes there, send dear robin some scoot and get these two wonderful cds.....it will inspire you to hold a LOOPFEST in your town.....i can't thank robin enought for his great effort!!!!!.....michael --part1_142.3606a686.2ea41a8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/17/04 1:15:05 AM, rob@robinhaas.com writes:


I have finally completed the 2=20= separate volumes of CDs of the Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 (2003).=


imagine my joy and delight when robin walked through the doors of the "reson= ent church" last sunday, add to that the box of cds in his arms.....now imag= ine my ears smiling at the wealth of music on said cds.....WHAT AN EXCELLENT= LABOR OF LOVE!!!!!.....THANK YOU ROBIN.....to see my name listed with the l= ikes of AMY X, GARY REGINA, DA WALKER BROTHERS, MATT DAVIGNON, ETC ETC.....w= ell, you get the idea.....so before you go to the CT-COLLECTIVE and snarf up= all the tunes there, send dear robin some scoot and get these two wonderful= cds.....it will inspire you to hold a LOOPFEST in your town.....i can't tha= nk robin enought for his great effort!!!!!.....michael
--part1_142.3606a686.2ea41a8e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 07:01:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IAvhu25875; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1098096776!15746698!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557DEC@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: looping with other musicians Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:44:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4B4FF.814CF120" Resent-Message-ID: <-rWehB.A.wSG.8F6cBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B4FF.814CF120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I would be interested to hear how other people are using looping techniques to **follow** other musicians tempo and groove. Is anyone using realtime tempo adjustments (ie. repeater) with success (much like an expert DJ can beat match) to play with live musicians or records?<< my band uses a mixture of electronic instruments & bass/guitar/drums. the guitarist has a jam-man (midi-clocked, most of the time, but see passim) & a dl4. there are a number of midi-sequencers playing lines of pulses for the most part. I play bass & keys, & use a repeater, sometimes with a jam-man, a dl4 or an adrenalinn mk2. so the whole shebang ought to be relying on midi-clock & a click going to the drummer's ear. but we don't like to work that way. instead, the master clock for the entire midi rig comes from a korg es-1 (the electribe sampling thing). with it's enormous red display & flashing buttons, it's a neat way for everyone to see where we are in a given bar, & also what the tempo is. furthermore, one of us can whack the tap-tempo button at any time to change the overall tempo. this means I can bring the sequencer parts in after the drummer has started without him having to worry about his tempo. so long as he can hear them when they are in, all is cool. I want to hook up the tap-tempo on this beasty to a pad so's the drummer can keep things locked himself. live tempo changes made this way seem pretty smooth so far, but bear in mind that they are quite subtle- we're not talking about going from 120 down to 90 all in one lump here. the only thing that gets upset with the clock being altered is (naturally) the jam-man. I can't persuade the guitarist to try my 2nd repeater instead.... :-( duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B4FF.814CF120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: looping with other musicians

>>I would be interested to hear how other people ar= e using looping techniques
to **follow** other musicians tempo and groove. &nb= sp; Is anyone using realtime
tempo adjustments (ie. repeater) with success (much like= an expert DJ can
beat match) to play with live musicians or records?<&= lt;

my band uses a mixture of electronic instruments & ba= ss/guitar/drums. the guitarist has a jam-man (midi-clocked, most of the tim= e, but see passim) & a dl4. there are a number of midi-sequencers playi= ng lines of pulses for the most part. I play bass & keys, & use a r= epeater, sometimes with a jam-man, a dl4 or an adrenalinn mk2.

so the whole shebang ought to be relying on midi-clock &a= mp; a click going to the drummer's ear.
but we don't like to work that way.
instead, the master clock for the entire midi rig comes = from a korg es-1 (the electribe sampling thing).
with it's enormous red display & flashing buttons, i= t's a neat way for everyone to see where we are in a given bar, & also = what the tempo is. furthermore, one of us can whack the tap-tempo button at= any time to change the overall tempo. this means I can bring the sequencer= parts in after the drummer has started without him having to worry about h= is tempo. so long as he can hear them when they are in, all is cool.

I want to hook up the tap-tempo on this beasty to a pad s= o's the drummer can keep things locked himself.

live tempo changes made this way seem pretty smooth so fa= r, but bear in mind that they are quite subtle- we're not talking about goi= ng from 120 down to 90 all in one lump here.

the only thing that gets upset with the clock being alter= ed is (naturally) the jam-man. I can't persuade the guitarist to try my 2nd= repeater instead.... :-(

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B4FF.814CF120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 07:45:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IBbsC31721; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:37:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:37:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557DEC@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557DEC@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <108A0962-20FA-11D9-8C30-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:37:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9IBbNa31640 Resent-Message-ID: <1ZAQL.A.puH.zr6cBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:44, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>I would be interested to hear how other people are using looping > techniques > to **follow** other musicians tempo and groove.   Is anyone using > realtime > tempo adjustments (ie. repeater) with success (much like an expert DJ > can > beat match) to play with live musicians or records?<< I've tried to foot tap tempo with the JamMan, the Repeater and different software but I never liked it. The best method I have come around is to use some device like the EDP that can extract tempo from two different taps. What I do is to redefine the loop length in the EDP and everything that is hooked up by midi clock to my EDP (Repeater, laptop, loopers, effects) will also start following the new tempo. To it's much easier to foot tap a musical period than hitting every damn eight note beat with my toe. That is at the same time as also playing and listening to other players ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 07:49:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IBfnc32268; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:41:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:41:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <108A0962-20FA-11D9-8C30-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557DEC@lon-oxmail02> <108A0962-20FA-11D9-8C30-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:41:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 18, 2004, at 13:37, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:44, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >> >>I would be interested to hear how other people are using looping >> techniques >> 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< Sorry for the faulty quoting above.... typing too fast (will take coffee break now ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 10:11:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IE1jF17345; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:01:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:01:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Michael Stauffer" To: "Krispen Hartung" , Subject: RE: Sound Generator for Finale Notation Software? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C4B4F9.67E47BA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 In-Reply-To: <009101c4b474$fc188d50$6501a8c0@khartung> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [151.199.230.196] at Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:00:06 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C4B4F9.67E47BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sound Generator for Finale Notation Software?Hi, I don't use Finale, but only test it occassionally. I read on their site yesterday that version 2005 now has support for 3rd party soundfonts built-in. Also, I think they've added better sound production in 2004 or 2005, to keep up with Sibelius, which now uses the Kontakt engine. Cheers, Michael -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sound Generator for Finale Notation Software? Does anyone use Finale as notation software? I need to find a software/sample bundle program that will allow me to access better sound from Finale. Right now it is using my computer's internal MIDI sounds, which are horrific. Basically, the sound generating program needs to appear as one of the MIDI sound sources from Finale MIDI dropdown menu. Any help would be appreciated to get me out of PC MIDI sound hell. Thanks, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1366779&skuId=13864927&type=produ ct http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=MUSIC&pid=6738529&cart=18980 5831 http://www.samgoody.com/Music/Album.aspx?p_id=P%2B%2B%2B661338&a_id=R%2B%2B% 2B694621&prodid=ORCD804606.2 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3004566 http://www.abstractlogix.com/xcart/customer/product.php?productid=17684&cat= &page=1 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C4B4F9.67E47BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sound Generator for Finale Notation Software?
Hi,
 
I=20 don't use Finale, but only test it occassionally. I read on their site = yesterday=20 that version 2005 now has support for 3rd party soundfonts built-in. = Also, I=20 think they've added better sound production in 2004 or 2005, to keep up = with=20 Sibelius, which now uses the Kontakt engine.
 
Cheers,
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 17, = 2004 2:13=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Sound=20 Generator for Finale Notation Software?

Does anyone use Finale as notation = software? I=20 need to find a software/sample bundle program that will allow me to = access=20 better sound from Finale. Right now it is using my computer's internal = MIDI=20 sounds, which are horrific. Basically, the sound generating program = needs to=20 appear as one of the MIDI sound sources from Finale MIDI dropdown = menu. Any=20 help would be appreciated to get me out of PC MIDI sound = hell.

Thanks,


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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C4B4F9.67E47BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 11:51:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IFk0T31856; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:46:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:46:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004501c4b528$24f0d9e0$e424f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: Cost of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:35:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4B4ED.757EA760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4B4ED.757EA760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are a few misconceptions about the cost of my Santa Cruz Live = Looping Festival Y2K3 CDs which I would like to clear up. As I have = proven I can be verbose, so I will also try here to be simple and maybe = therefore clear: I have two separate CDs available from the Santa Cruz Live Looping = Festival, also called Y2K3 (2003) (and not from Y2K4 (2004) which I did = not record).=20 Volume One is subtitled "Guitars, etc." Volume Two is subtitled "Percussion, etc." Those are general categories, as there is soom of both on each, plus = other methods of making music and sound, as well.=20 The CDs are $12.00 each ($10.00 for the next 3 months if you mention you = saw them on Looper's Delight, which is where most have heard about them = thus far).=20 Shipping is $2.00 for one CD and $.50 extra for each additional CDs. If you are performed on a volume of the CDs (or for a few people, both = CDs), for those performers, that volume is free. You have the option of = buying the other CD, that is your choice and opportunity. Rick Walker kindly gave a glowingly positive review of the CDs in which = he said that "...Robin's was a labor of love and he deserves $30/CD in = my estimation." Perhaps I do deserve$30 per CD, in which case the 2 volume set is $60. = and I will even pay for the shipping !!!! However, I suggest that one pays not the amount I may be seen to deserve = by none other than Rick Walker, but what I ask in price.=20 Again, a two volume set to the LD people is $22.50 if you are paying for = both (and therefore not on the CDs). If you performed on one CD, that CD = it is free. The other CD with shipping, should you want to purchase it, = will be $12.00 with shipping to LD folks. A few people sent $30.00 to me thinking that was the cost (maybe reading = Rick's kind words) and I will somehow compensate them back down to the = actual amount I am charging for the CDs.=20 Also, some people think there are 3 CDs, and there are only 2. Perhaps = Volume One and Volume Two equals 3 volumes late at night, don't know.=20 Hope this adds some clarity. To see the CDs on my website, please go to: http://www.santacruzcollage.com/Y2K3_page1.html Thanks for all you support and response on the Live Looping Festival = CDs. I greatly appreciate it. Robin ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4B4ED.757EA760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are a few misconceptions about = the cost of my=20 Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 CDs which I would like to clear = up. As I=20 have proven I can be verbose, so I will also try here to be simple and = maybe=20 therefore clear:
 
I have two separate CDs available from = the Santa=20 Cruz Live Looping Festival, also called Y2K3 (2003) (and not from Y2K4 = (2004)=20 which I did not record).
 
Volume One is subtitled "Guitars,=20 etc."
Volume Two is subtitled "Percussion,=20 etc."
 
Those are general categories, as there = is soom of=20 both on each, plus other methods of making music and sound, as well.=20
 
 
The CDs are $12.00 each ($10.00 = for the next 3=20 months if you mention you saw them on Looper's Delight, which is where = most have=20 heard about them thus far).
 
Shipping is $2.00 for one CD and $.50 = extra for=20 each additional CDs.
 
If you are performed on a volume = of the CDs=20 (or for a few people, both CDs), for those performers, that volume is = free. You=20 have the option of buying the other CD, that is your choice and=20 opportunity.
 
Rick Walker kindly gave a glowingly = positive review=20 of the CDs in which he said that "...Robin's=20 was a labor of love and he deserves $30/CD in my=20 estimation."
 
Perhaps I do deserve$30 per CD, in = which case the 2=20 volume set is $60. and I will even pay for the shipping = !!!!
 
However, I suggest that one pays not = the=20 amount I may be seen to deserve by none other than Rick Walker, but = what I=20 ask in price.
 
Again, a two volume set to the LD = people is $22.50=20 if you are paying for both (and therefore not on the CDs). If you = performed=20 on one CD, that CD it is free. The other CD with shipping, = should you=20 want to purchase it, will be $12.00 with shipping to LD = folks.
 
A few people sent $30.00 to me = thinking that=20 was the cost (maybe reading Rick's kind words) and I will somehow = compensate=20 them back down to the actual amount I am charging for the CDs. =
 
Also, some people think there are 3 = CDs, and there=20 are only 2. Perhaps Volume One and Volume Two equals 3 = volumes late at=20 night, don't know.
 
Hope this adds some = clarity.
 
To see the CDs on my website, = please go=20 to:
 
http://www.santa= cruzcollage.com/Y2K3_page1.html
 
Thanks for all you support and response = on the Live=20 Looping Festival CDs. I greatly appreciate it.=20 Robin 
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C4B4ED.757EA760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 15:01:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IIq6P30973; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:52:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:52:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041018185123.99151.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg House Subject: Re: 123 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1dd.2e163ca5.2ea333af@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Robin, > > In a message dated 10/16/04 3:27:32 PM, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > > > check, testing...1,2,3 > > > Testing check 4, 5, 6 back at ya! No, this is loopers-delight. The proper response here would be "1,2,3". Greg _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 15:16:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IJ8S801294; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:08:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:08:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:08:30 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: 123 In-reply-to: <20041018185123.99151.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <417414AE.2050506@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: <20041018185123.99151.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >No, this is loopers-delight. The proper response here would be "1,2,3". > > 1111111111111111111111 (unrounded multiply) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 15:43:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IJaYQ06161; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:36:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:36:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000801c4b548$5ca1d900$d227f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <20041018185123.99151.qmail@web21325.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 123, etc Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:26:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Or the proper response might have been: check, testing 123, che che test, che che che test, one one che, 3 che che, che che check test.... Depending on settings and moods of course. If Rick did it, it would be in time I might not at this point comprehend, but would enjoy. Thanks for that. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg House" To: Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: Re: 123 > --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > Robin, > > > > In a message dated 10/16/04 3:27:32 PM, rob@robinhaas.com writes: > > > > > check, testing...1,2,3 > > > > > Testing check 4, 5, 6 back at ya! > > No, this is loopers-delight. The proper response here would be "1,2,3". > > Greg > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 16:04:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IJv8D10668; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:57:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:57:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041018195642.68200.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: 123, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c4b548$5ca1d900$d227f604@r1x5s0> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In some cases, the response would be "One, tw-, one, tw-, one, tw-" followed by a cry for a memory upgrade. :P -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 16:41:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IKcGB16931; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:38:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:38:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:37:16 EDT Subject: Thoughts on Y2K3 ('03 Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival) CDs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d8.172840c7.2ea5837c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_d8.172840c7.2ea5837c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings loopfolk and lurkers alike, I just wrote rather lengthy review and my e-mail program=20 crashed erasing the whole thing before I could send it. Damn! I doubt if I can even remember half of what I wrote. But I'll try to recreate the gist of it if I can. Sorry Robin! For any of you who are even vaguely interested in what's=20 being done with looping (be your interest in hardware or=20 software loopers) you owe yourself the twenty-something=20 dollars it'll take to buy yourself the 2 CDs that Robin Haas=20 has created from his recordings of the Y2K3 Loopfest last=20 year in Santa Cruz. The quality of the recordings is very, VERY good -- maybe not=20 "superior" but that's besides the point (and more a factor=20 of what the audio stream presented him than his skills=20 as a recordist). He's done a masterful job on that account=20 and presents us with a very even collection of excerpts=20 from a wildly varying group of artists/performers. It's so even, in fact, that it's amazing to listen to this music now (after having been there for every performance)=20 without any visual distractions and/or enhancements.=20 It's darn surprising how good all of this stuff now sounds=20 from artist to artist. All of the performers owe a great debt of thanks (if nothing else) to Robin for all of his=20 hard work. This CD actually serves as a sort of "field-leveling" effect between acts that were high-energy and visually well- choreographed in performance and the ones where a "visual=20 component" was barely given ANY consideration at all=20 (or whose visual presentation was more of a distraction=20 than an enhancement). It's (at least) harder to tell the gifted "shoegazer" loopers from the gifted, all-around "entertainer" loopers anyway.=20 That's my first impression. Perhaps it's my unavoidable=20 status as one of the former (rather than the later) that makes this seem "positive" to me. One would have to=20 ask Amy X Nueberg or John Whooley (I guess) to get=20 an opinion from the other direction though. Speaking of Amy X, she opens Volume 1 (and is also present on Volume 2) and she was as tough an act=20 to follow as any. The more sedate instrumentalists and "knob-twiddlers" who follow her (here and there) in later=20 tracks need not feel too embarrassed by comparisons=20 here. No one can see her body language, dance moves=20 or deft manipulation of her EDP by hitting a drum pad with a stick in time to the music. =20 And no one can see me sweating and drooling all over my=20 guitar like some crazed cretin (or my 5 agonizing minutes=20 of hellish pre-performance "technical difficulties") either=20 . . . thank God. Heheh. So the "leveling" effect of the CD format even works for morons like me. But enough about that. There are great tracks here by almost everybody that=20 performed. Being a guitarist I lean towards Volume 1 as a favorite. But I am listening to Volume 2 (for the 3rd time now) at the moment and it gets points for creativity=20 risk-taking and "edginess" too. Both disks have a sprinkling of the Walker brothers here=20 and there . . . and both feature a track by the superb=20 guitarist Gareth Whittock (Y2K3's headliner) from Wales/UK. There is really nothing here that is a bummer in any way=20 and there's a whole boatload of stuff to like Of course there is nothing like attending one these festivals. The sense of community and the valuable exchange of=20 knowledge and experience shared is priceless. No CD can really convey any of that. But, if you'd like to hear some of what music was being made (by way of a sort=20 of "best of" collection) this 2 CD collection is for you. Run, don't walk to: Robin! You and Rick rock! You both ought/need to get on=20 the local Bay Area college radio stations NOW with this stuff=20 and start promoting Y2K5. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_d8.172840c7.2ea5837c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings loopfolk and lurkers alike,
I just wrote rather lengthy review and my e-mail program
crashed erasing the whole thing before I could send it. Damn!
I doubt if I can even remember half of what I wrote. But I'll
try to recreate the gist of it if I can. Sorry Robin!

For any of you who are even vaguely interested in what's
being done with looping (be your interest in hardware or
software loopers) you owe yourself the twenty-something
dollars it'll take to buy yourself the 2 CDs that Robin Haas
has created from his recordings of the Y2K3 Loopfest last
year in Santa Cruz.

The quality of the recordings is very, VERY good -- maybe not
"superior" but that's besides the point (and more a factor
of what the audio stream presented him than his skills
as a recordist). He's done a masterful job on that account
and presents us with a very
even collection of excerpts
from a wildly varying group of artists/performers.

It's so even, in fact, that it's amazing to listen to this music
now (after having been there for every performance)
without any visual distractions and/or enhancements.
It's darn surprising how good all of this stuff now sounds
from artist to artist. All of the performers owe a great
debt of thanks (if nothing else) to Robin for all of his
hard work.

This CD actually serves as a sort of "field-leveling" effect
between acts that were high-energy and visually well-
choreographed in performance and the ones where a "visual
component" was barely given ANY consideration at all
(or whose visual presentation was more of a distraction
than an enhancement).

It's (at least) harder to tell the gifted "shoegazer" loopers
from the gifted, all-around "entertainer" loopers anyway.
That's my first impression. Perhaps it's my unavoidable
status as one of the former (rather than the later) that
makes this seem "positive" to me. One would have to
ask Amy X Nueberg or John Whooley (I guess) to get
an opinion from the other direction though.

Speaking of Amy X, she opens Volume 1 (and is also
present on Volume 2) and she was as tough an act
to follow as any. The more sedate instrumentalists and
"knob-twiddlers" who follow her (here and there) in later
tracks need not feel too embarrassed by comparisons
here. No one can see her body language, dance moves
or deft manipulation of her EDP by hitting a drum pad
with a stick in time to the music. 

And no one can see me sweating and drooling all over my
guitar like some crazed cretin (or my 5 agonizing minutes
of hellish pre-performance "technical difficulties") either
. . . thank God. Heheh. So the "leveling" effect of the CD
format even works for morons like me. But enough about that.

There are great tracks here by almost everybody that
performed. Being a guitarist I lean towards Volume 1
as a favorite. But I am listening to Volume 2 (for the 3rd
time now) at the moment and it gets points for creativity
risk-taking and "edginess" too.

Both disks have a sprinkling of the Walker brothers here
and there . . . and both feature a track by the superb
guitarist Gareth Whittock (Y2K3's headliner) from Wales/UK.
There is really nothing here that is a bummer in any way
and there's a whole boatload of stuff to like

Of course there is nothing like attending one these festivals.
The sense of community and the valuable exchange of
knowledge and experience shared is priceless. No CD
can really convey any of that. But, if you'd like to hear
some of what music was being made (by way of a sort
of "best of" collection) this 2 CD collection is for you.

Run, don't walk to:

<http://www.santacruzcollage.com/Y2K3_page1.html>


Robin! You and Rick rock! You both ought/need to get on
the local Bay Area college radio stations NOW with this stuff
and start promoting Y2K5.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas.
--part1_d8.172840c7.2ea5837c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 18:52:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IMmHx07261; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:48:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:48:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <00b901c4b564$52917d00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: can you help me with my sync problems? Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:46:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm encountering a couple of wierd syncing problems preparing to do a demo for Meyer sound at the AES convention in a week or so and wondered if anyone has any advice for me. here's the setup: We're trying to sync up an improv trio (drums-me, bass, keys) 1) I'm using my black faced EDP with Loop 4 as a master clock, a) using a custom brother sync cable (which splits into two brother sync outs) to drive the bass players 2 different white faced EDP (loop 3) b) I'm sending Midi Out from my EDP to drive my REPEATERs clock (Midi In) c) I am then sending my MIDI thru signal to a synthesist who is just using that clock information to drive arpeggiation and lfo/resonance/cutoff information on his Nord Modual/Nord Lead setup. Here are the three bizarre things that are cropping up: If I have loops already running 1) I push record on the Repeater (with no midi going from it's out to the EDP's in) and the EDP starts to record (bad!!!!) This just happened once and then disappeared. (queery: anyone experienced this and , if so , anyone know if there is a fix or what do avoid?) 2) If I had stopped my EDP loop and the Bassist continues his loops, suddenly my Repeater's pitch goes down to 2 octaves below on all four tracks and I can't change it manually. The second he stops his loops and reboots his machine, the problem disappears (queery: are there brother sync problems between Loop 3 and Loop 4 software that might cause this? Any other ideas?) 3) When I use commands like Ins, Mute, Multiply, etc. it is sending note messages to the keyboardist (playing his synth). That was fun for one song because I could actually play little ostinato rhythms on a synthesizer that I"ve never been able to afford but obviously not great for an hour and a half improv. We solved the problem by just having the synth go do a different midi recieve channel. (queery: is this note sending information editable on the EDP? I"m a midi nebish and feel out of my depth so please forgive if this is a no-brainer fix). Any ideas? The Repeater seems positively retarded when it comes to midi implementation (but don't get me started), so I think the answer is either in the EDP or perhaps buying (arrrrrggghhh!!) some sort of expensive midi filtering box. Thanks in advance for the help if there is any. Yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 19:12:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9IN5GB10507; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:05:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:05:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <89.17f06e42.2ea5a605@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:04:37 EDT Subject: Re: Thoughts on Y2K3 ('03 Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival) CDs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_89.17f06e42.2ea5a605_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_89.17f06e42.2ea5a605_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/04 4:38:09 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes: > I just wrote rather lengthy review > ted.....you took the words right out of my mouth, you said everything that i was going to say, except, i "slobber" rather than "drool".....i think i like VOL 2 more than 1 though, but that is after only a couple-o-listens.....the level between all of the tracs is commendable.....i brought home tons-o-tunes from y2k4 so i am having a loop orgy.....reviews acomin.....all i can say is, i want to form a band called "ELECTRIC SQUIRRLS" and do nothing but MATT DAVIGNON covers!.....michael --part1_89.17f06e42.2ea5a605_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/18/04 4:38:09 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com writes:


I just wrote rather lengthy rev= iew


ted.....you took the words right out of my mouth, you said everything that i= was going to say, except, i "slobber" rather than "drool".....i think i lik= e VOL 2 more than 1 though, but that is after only a couple-o-listens.....th= e level between all of the tracs is commendable.....i brought home tons-o-tu= nes from y2k4 so i am having a loop orgy.....reviews acomin.....all i can sa= y is, i want to form a band called "ELECTRIC SQUIRRLS" and do nothing but MA= TT DAVIGNON covers!.....michael
--part1_89.17f06e42.2ea5a605_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 19:27:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9INQZT13108; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:26:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:26:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001001c4b568$78eada60$d824f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <006d01c4b406$3db08ac0$7124f604@r1x5s0> <5B1B68FA-2017-11D9-B2DE-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Subject: Re: CDs of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 now available Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:16:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <88_FnB.A.2LD.CEFdBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Per Boysen I took the 2 Cds (it is not 3 CDs) in a padded package to the Post Office for weighing and an estimate of shipping to Sweden. The most reasonable and time effective rate is 4 to 10 days shipping time for $5.60. If that is agreeable to you, the 2 volume set of the Santa Cruz Live Loopers Y2K3 would be $20.00 plus $5.60, or $25.60. For those of you who may be reading on LD, the package is 6.9 ounces for 2 mailed CDs and 3.7 ounces for just one CD. With the usps.com website, one can estimate postage costs to where you may be from 95062 zip in the US. I ship in the regular old style CD cases which are thicker, a little heavier, may give some added protection along with the padding, and allow for the U-card, or back card. I do not recall getting a copmplaint yet of breakage of the case, and certainly not the CDs. My paypal account is my email: rob@robinhaas.com To see the Santa Cruz Live Loop Festival Cds on my website, go to: http://santacruzcollage.com/Y2K3_page1.html Be sure and remind me if you saw it here is $10..00 a CD, not the usual 12.00. Many thanks, Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:34 AM Subject: Re: CDs of Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 now available > On Oct 17, 2004, at 7:00, Robin Haas wrote: > > > Shipping may cost more outside the US, so please ask me for an > > estimate. > > Hi Robin, > > How much shall I paypal you for shipping the three discs to Sweden? And > many thanks for documenting the festival! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 19:54:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9INkkA15872; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:46:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:46:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Evans Subject: Ground Control Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:46:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello everyone, Does anyone out there have a Ground Control manual (paper or pdf) that I can get my eyes on? It does not have a model # on it anywhere, but it looks like it has a 7-pin midi cable on the back. This is not the GPC pro, or the router - strictly midi-program change (as far as I can tell, that is). No expression pedals built in (though it has 1/4" jacks for hooking up 2 of them). Thanks for any help - sorry I can't give you a better description. Jeff Evans p.s. Here's a picture of the one I have: http://www.promusicstuff.com/groundcontrolpedal.jpg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 18 20:31:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9J0Mc119716; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:22:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:22:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: 12 Tone Composition - "Entanglement" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:21:47 -0600 Message-ID: <012001c4b571$a21d5620$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I would share this with LP...a composition I started over the weekend, using the 12 tone composition method, which I posted for review in the CT Collective group. Roger Digi proposed a new project based on 12 composition, and I took the bait. This song is far too complex to perform and loop live, so I may end up writing a few more 12 tone compositions that I can perform live with the EDPs. If there is a piano player on LP who can play the sheet music I posted, I'll pay your mortgage for the next year! :) Ever heard of Frank Zappa's Civilization Phase III? http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm See below for the details on the composition process, the sounds, etc. ********************************************************* I call this composition "Entanglement", named after one of my favorite books on quantum physics, by Amir D. Aczel. Call it an entanglement of Webern and hip hop! Soon me and my guitar will get mixed up in the mess. I still plan to add a guitar solo (consistent with the primary row) over the middle section of this song, plus improve and experiment with some other instruments, which will complete the tune. I just bought Finale 2005, which has both Sound Fonts and compatibility with third part Sound Fonts, which will be a HUGE improvement over my laptop's GM MIDI sound card sounds. I tested the song with the demo version of the software, and the output is unbelievable, especially with the humanizer function. Here's how I wrote the song: First, my primary 12 tone row is A, F, D, F#, Eb, G, C, C#, E, Bb, Ab, B. This isn't random, rather I experimented with the 12 tones until I found a sequence that felt good to me. Second, I used the online program to generate my matrix of permutations (prime, inversion, retrograde, and retrograde inversion): http://www.geocities.com/dan_cavanagh/matrix.htm Third, I used my notation software, Finale 2001, to compose the song using the matrix of rows. A link to the sheet music and the sound clip is below. In sequence, I used the primary row, the first inversion row, the second primary row, the second inversion row, the twelfth retrograde inversion row, the 12th retrograde row, the first through eleventh retrograde rows, and finally the third primary row. I some cases I wrote in single note sequence; in other cases, I used the rows more quickly with tone clusters. Fourth, I used Acid and some drum sample loops I purchased from the SonicFoundry web site to create some hip groove beats to add to the mix. Fifth, I integrated and mastered all of the above with ProTools LE. I repeated a few sections, so the sheet music is only the core composition, with some parts repeated in the actual sound clip. Sixth, next version will have a live guitar track, higher quality Sound Font sounds, and perhaps some new underlying ambient textures. Sound clip and sheet music: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 00:03:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9J3sic11894; Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:54:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:54:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041019035317.98740.qmail@web80202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "JAMES FOWLER, III" Subject: custom baritone guitar for sale To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1190908759-1098157997=:97866" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1190908759-1098157997=:97866 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i'm selling my linc luthier baritone guitar. if you're even remotely interested, email me privately. -jim --0-1190908759-1098157997=:97866 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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--0-1190908759-1098157997=:97866-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 09:46:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JDWFx12729; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:32:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:32:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <1098192667.4175171bbd689@webmail.dotster.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:31:07 -0700 From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 131.96.3.17 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: darrenmichaels@darrenmichaelsbass.com Subject: New CD Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on westvirginia.backend X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Thu Oct 23 13:26:47 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-uvscan-result: clean (1CJu4x-0004Ud-TN) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello Looper-type people, I've got a new bass/looping CD out. Please go to http://www.cdbaby.com/dmichaels2 to check out the mp3s. Hope you enjoy. Darren Michaels www.darrenmichaelsbass.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 10:42:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JEe4E21147; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:40:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:38:16 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Ground Control In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <417526D8.0@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Jeff Evans wrote: > Hello everyone, > Does anyone out there have a Ground Control manual (paper or pdf) > that I can get my eyes on? The only thing I could find when I was investigating this unit was this Harmony Central forum: http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Digital_Music_Corp/Ground_Control-01.html From what I can tell, the switches only do program changes. You can plug in two CC pedals, but there are mixed reviews on how well this works. According to one reviewer you must use volume pedals rather than expression pedals (apparently they compensate for the logarithmic taper in a volume pedal). The 7-pin cable allows it to use MIDI phantom power, though not many devices supply phantom power. It was intended for use with the CGX switching system. It is certainly not usable for controlling an EDP or any other device that requires control changes or notes. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 10:50:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JEn4c22406; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:49:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:49:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:44:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Looping and Meditative States, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Unfortunately, many musicians seem more concerned with cash flow >than anything else... I suspect it would be a more efficient way to make money than by studying complex harmonies :-) >> > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] >>> since this seems to be the main purpose of music, I wonder why >>> musicians dont care more to learn about states of mind... >> >>some do :-) >> >>-Michael >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's >FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 10:57:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JEmso22396; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:48:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:48:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00bb01c4b0e3$9f2874f0$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> References: <20041012195315.ZKLV11612.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> <00bb01c4b0e3$9f2874f0$d8d06fc7@gsc3cwin2k> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:47:43 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Interviews / Ethnographic Study Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0LdcV.A.RdF.AlSdBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I would like to contribute! >I will be writing an ethnographic study for a world music class I am taking >at my university. I chose looping related music as my focal point, and >would like to interview a bunch of you. The more the better (20 page paper, >more interviews means less work for me :) ), from the large figures to the >lurkers (like me), everybody has something to contribute. > >So, the interviews will be over email or phone, will not take much of your >time, and will be extremely helpful for me (i need something to write!). >They will probably take place 2 to 4 weeks from today. > >Please respond if you are willing to help. If i don't get enough responses, >i'll just send out another email to waste more bandwidth :) > >-Gardner -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 11:02:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JEtqr23561; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: fea5a82fc2d5ee116f0b2d5608e944ab Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:54:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Breathing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com does anyone know about Holotropic Breathing, Stan or Rebirthing? Music is important there, isnt it? Could looping help, or is it used somewhere in this context? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 11:04:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JEttj23565; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:55:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 7e0c8b990e2298d8aa3a61e2d7c7777d Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <13d.37b93d4.2e9eb0d4@aol.com> References: <13d.37b93d4.2e9eb0d4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:55:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >There is power and beauty to be found in the "tension" between >the extremes of chaotic freedom and the restrictive geometric >"grid" of looping. It's just my opinion though. It's one of the things >that "gets me off" about looping . . . two textures . . . two elements . . . >one sort of free form . . . another sort of regular . . . patterned . . . >yin . . . and yang. Some folks just like yin. Others just like yang. >To each their own. very interesting, Ted. and you get this dialectic twice, somehow: - the looped and the not looped part - the precise repetition character of the loop and the (possibly) chaotic character of what is recorded in the loop >But, of course, I'm not thinking about any of this while I'm playing >(if I'm doing my job right). I'm not thinking very much at all -- except >on a reptillian/insect, instinctual sort of level. I'm trying to "feel" >something heart-wise and gut-level and extrude it through my >fingers. My brain needs to get the hell out of the way to do this. I feel what you are saying, but I am also fascinated by another version I heard: The brain needs its full power for improvising, thats why there is no free power for the monitoring of the thoughts left. >It's when my brain doesn't get out of the way that I have "bad" >performance experiences. Folks have a variety of ways of >describing where their "muse" comes from. This is mine. yes, specifically, as soon as I think "this is great" (specially in the sense of: "I am great"), its not any more :-) >When that happens for a whole group of musicians all at once >it's a really special, transcendent experience. It doesn't happen >very often I am told (nor have I experienced it more than just a few >times myself). Sometimes an audience can tell that something is >"going on" per se . . . and sometimes not. It's elusive. I established a free improvising group here in Salvador since February. The members keep changing exept me and my partner Danilo, who is rather into rhythm, while I rather care for tuning. We let it run. Most participants are not musician. the process even works when noone ever played music. The result is not pleasent, most of the time, but its very intense for the participants, and most time its not chaotic. Its amazing that even if you dont want, some organization always grows out of chaos! Its just a matter of time, or patience with the chaos. Once its runing, it goes on for 3 hours or more, and often though all kinds of styles including animal voices :-). When there are more educated musicians, sometimes it turns into barok poliphony and amazing a capella choirs. Very rarely we stop for a moment or I say something about the process. Recently I had good experiences when restarting with only voices and body sounds after the first instrumental part worked out. Kills shame... Its a big kick to see some shining eyes in the end of people saying: I thought I could not play music I play for many years but never felt this Its like brain washing ... I thought about inviting people of all over the world to participate. I just dont quite know yet how to organize... When there are 3 or less musicians, loops help a lot to get there, when there are more, the loops fill up too much and hold back. With more than 10 people (we had up to 25!) the problem is to hstopp people from playing all the time. >Music making is more "mystery" than mechanical "method" >for me. the same for me. What I just described is a method in a way, but I could not really fix it, and none of the participants ever wanted any rules... >I wish I understood some of that "mystery" just a >little bit better. Working in groups is restrictive too. Unless >some level of common understanding is reached the end >result will really be chaos. I doubt it. The Tao loops between Chaos and Organization. >We're all back to "understanding" again. There's a loop. is the a parallel to "compreensao - entendimento"? Comprehension instead of understanding which is rather intellectual? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 11:26:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JFNSW28962; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:23:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:23:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:38:57 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: looping gigs in Japan info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, This is our looping gig " Looper's Delight J" details. http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J/ 4 gigs total in this time, November 21th - 24th. Kobe,Kyoto,Osaka and Kobe. Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 11:38:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JFaRx30634; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:36:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:36:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <86C1EF21-21E4-11D9-AC5D-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: Breathing Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:35:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yes! I use looping in a shamanic context... not specifically rebirthing or Stan's holotropic stuff but close I learned ayahuasca icaros in the Amazon...(there's some extracts of Jungle Trip - a documentary I made about this on my website) http://www.piersgibbon.com/presenter.html and my Boss RC20XL is a very useful ally in reproducing these songs back home Best Piers -- ================================================================== Piers Gibbon ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.piersgibbon.com | piers@piersgibbon.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================== On Oct 19, 2004, at 3:54 pm, Matthias Grob wrote: > does anyone know about Holotropic Breathing, Stan > or Rebirthing? Music is important there, isnt it? Could looping help, > or is it used somewhere in this context? > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 11:54:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JFljC32266; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:47:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:47:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <22176152.1098200766208.JavaMail.root@thecount.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:46:05 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping with other musicians Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >I wish I understood some of that "mystery" just a >little bit better. Me, too...just as Zen masters are often hesistant to describe Zen, other bigger-than-life moments (like the mystic transport that can occur with music) seem better left undescribed: you want to explain what it's like, but when you try to describe it, it seems to cheapen the experience, just as over-thinking can bollix-up a musical performance. When I play, I have a pretty good idea of what mental/spiritual/younameit place I want to travel to, and I open myself to playing whatever might take me (and the audience) there. See? Already I have sullied the experience...in a mere sentence, I have made it sound silly and not the warm rush of joy that I feel when I play. One of my many hats is Writer, and a writer must describe and explain, but in trying to describe something as powerful and personal as the places I go while listening or playing, I sometimes feel the need to simply cop out and use vague terms lest I look like a complete idiot or a blissed-out/burned-out pseudo-nu-age casualty ;-) Ooops, I 'm thinking too much again...d'oh! ~Tim www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob Sent: Oct 19, 2004 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping with other musicians >There is power and beauty to be found in the "tension" between >the extremes of chaotic freedom and the restrictive geometric >"grid" of looping. It's just my opinion though. It's one of the things >that "gets me off" about looping . . . two textures . . . two elements . . . >one sort of free form . . . another sort of regular . . . patterned . . . >yin . . . and yang. Some folks just like yin. Others just like yang. >To each their own. very interesting, Ted. and you get this dialectic twice, somehow: - the looped and the not looped part - the precise repetition character of the loop and the (possibly) chaotic character of what is recorded in the loop >But, of course, I'm not thinking about any of this while I'm playing >(if I'm doing my job right). I'm not thinking very much at all -- except >on a reptillian/insect, instinctual sort of level. I'm trying to "feel" >something heart-wise and gut-level and extrude it through my >fingers. My brain needs to get the hell out of the way to do this. I feel what you are saying, but I am also fascinated by another version I heard: The brain needs its full power for improvising, thats why there is no free power for the monitoring of the thoughts left. >It's when my brain doesn't get out of the way that I have "bad" >performance experiences. Folks have a variety of ways of >describing where their "muse" comes from. This is mine. yes, specifically, as soon as I think "this is great" (specially in the sense of: "I am great"), its not any more :-) >When that happens for a whole group of musicians all at once >it's a really special, transcendent experience. It doesn't happen >very often I am told (nor have I experienced it more than just a few >times myself). Sometimes an audience can tell that something is >"going on" per se . . . and sometimes not. It's elusive. I established a free improvising group here in Salvador since February. The members keep changing exept me and my partner Danilo, who is rather into rhythm, while I rather care for tuning. We let it run. Most participants are not musician. the process even works when noone ever played music. The result is not pleasent, most of the time, but its very intense for the participants, and most time its not chaotic. Its amazing that even if you dont want, some organization always grows out of chaos! Its just a matter of time, or patience with the chaos. Once its runing, it goes on for 3 hours or more, and often though all kinds of styles including animal voices :-). When there are more educated musicians, sometimes it turns into barok poliphony and amazing a capella choirs. Very rarely we stop for a moment or I say something about the process. Recently I had good experiences when restarting with only voices and body sounds after the first instrumental part worked out. Kills shame... Its a big kick to see some shining eyes in the end of people saying: I thought I could not play music I play for many years but never felt this Its like brain washing ... I thought about inviting people of all over the world to participate. I just dont quite know yet how to organize... When there are 3 or less musicians, loops help a lot to get there, when there are more, the loops fill up too much and hold back. With more than 10 people (we had up to 25!) the problem is to hstopp people from playing all the time. >Music making is more "mystery" than mechanical "method" >for me. the same for me. What I just described is a method in a way, but I could not really fix it, and none of the participants ever wanted any rules... >I wish I understood some of that "mystery" just a >little bit better. Working in groups is restrictive too. Unless >some level of common understanding is reached the end >result will really be chaos. I doubt it. The Tao loops between Chaos and Organization. >We're all back to "understanding" again. There's a loop. is the a parallel to "compreensao - entendimento"? Comprehension instead of understanding which is rather intellectual? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 14:42:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JIcTl21885; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:38:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:38:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: FX and pignose... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm selling these for a friend. Or at least he used to be a friend until he told me to sell this mint pignose now after I asked him for it last year and ended up buying a new one at $70+. Whatever. Pics of all items are up at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/fx.htm Mint Pignose Amp. I'm not sure if this has ever been used but it certainly has never been gigged. Still have the plastic on the back jack and comes super celan with Power supply. These are cool little amps and run on batteries. Great for lofi stuff or if you actual (gasp) play guitar or something. Asking: $45.00 DOD 280 Compressor. Excellent shape and works great. A few minor dings in paint (see pics and judge for yourself). I'm going ot guess as say this is the mid 90s one. Very cool for guitar or TR606 drum machines which I what I used it for. Asking: $35.00 MXR Envelope Filter/Autowah - AS IS. Beat up cosmetically (has no back). I've never tried it. Please look at the pics to get an idea. Looks clean inside (I think the brown stuff on the board is dirt As I was able to scrape it away like dust.) No promises on this so AS IS but this is one of the vintage ones. Might be fine with some TLC or use for a project or parts. Asking: $50 All prices are pathetically fair but if you think I'm out of line or can pick up or want a few items or just think I'm nuts email me and I'll listen. I'm sick of selling small items on the Eb*y but that's where they go next and there will be paypal fees and all that crap so if you want them please buy them now and say yourself a few bucks and me a lot of hassle. Please. Buyer pays actual shipping from Phila PA, Paypal or USPS MO accepted. I pack very well for free. Any questions lemme know. Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 16:44:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JKhHf06654; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:43:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:43:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:40:59 +0200 Subject: Over here as well, bari for sale From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3181070459_81234_MIME_Part" X-ID: TEVwVeZaZeIJutG2-B7b+ey-OI+MS8GIDmthQJueT2wYAZ8BDWH9oq X-TOI-MSGID: c7f33ba3-b08c-40a9-8b71-fa85a2e8e1e8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3181070459_81234_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Jim Fowler wrote: custom baritone guitar for sale i'm selling my linc luthier baritone guitar. if you're even remotely interested, email me privately. Hi, I am in Berlin/Germany and have a real nice custom made electric baritone guitar by Hannes Vogel for sale as well. So there is one for each side of the Atlantic....... Regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3181070459_81234_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Over here as well, bari for sale Jim Fowler wrote: custom baritone guitar for sale

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Regards, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3181070459_81234_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 16:51:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JKi8r06802; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:44:08 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:44:08 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Yon Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Healing thru improvisation Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:43:49 -0700 Message-Id: <20041019204349.M9558@stickist.com> In-Reply-To: <200410191842.i9JIg6a22833@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410191842.i9JIg6a22833@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.81 20021203 X-OriginatingIP: 209.89.229.243 (swirlee@www.stickist.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi Matthias, >does anyone know about Holotropic Breathing, Stan >or Rebirthing? Music is important there, isnt it? Could looping help, >or is it used somewhere in this context? I love where your spirit is going with this! You have a remarkable vision of different contexts in which group improvisation and looping can be used. >yes, specifically, as soon as I think "this is great" (specially in >the sense of: "I am great"), its not any more Your voice is among the many who say that we must become empty like a hollow bone. I've felt it, too, that when we have no agenda, no ego, we are innocent like a child, we are totally in it for the Great Mystery of the moment-- that's when we connect with the muse. I totally support you in starting an improvisation group by the people for the people. It is making improvisation into a spiritual discipline, accessible by anyone. This is most emphatically my prayer, because I feel that communities can really be strengthened when we sing and dance together-- and we need to invent our own voice, to find our own path into the whole. >I established a free improvising group here in Salvador since >February. The members keep changing exept me and my partner Danilo, >who is rather into rhythm, while I rather care for tuning. We let it >run. Most participants are not musician. the process even works when >noone ever played music. The result is not pleasent, most of the >time, but its very intense for the participants, and most time its >not chaotic. Its amazing that even if you dont want, some >organization always grows out of chaos! Its just a matter of time, or >patience with the chaos. Once its runing, it goes on for 3 hours or >more, and often though all kinds of styles including animal voices >:-). When there are more educated musicians, sometimes it turns into >barok poliphony and amazing a capella choirs. Very rarely we stop for >a moment or I say something about the process. Recently I had good >experiences when restarting with only voices and body sounds after >the first instrumental part worked out. Kills shame... > >Its a big kick to see some shining eyes in the end of people saying: >I thought I could not play music >I play for many years but never felt this >Its like brain washing >... > >I thought about inviting people of all over the world to participate. >I just dont quite know yet how to organize... Some friends agreed to have me facilitate singing circles in Calgary, and we have been holding Sunday gatherings with pot luck and improv. My experience really echoes what you have felt down in Bahia. I feel a great nostalgia for those days when tribal peoples used voice as a way to gel community, Nature, and Spirit. There is a man, David Hatfield, out of Vancouver, who hosts improvisational singing circles. He has developed some techniques for developing core musicality such as a sense of harmony and rhythm-- from within group improv. Google has cached a beautiful essay he wrote for the Unitarian Church. You might find his tips useful in facilitating your own group. Also, you mentioned Holotropic Breathing and looping. That would be a fantastic experiment. Shamanic drumming, looping, holotropic breathing, pranayama-- all seem to work in rhythmic ways to tune us in to the larger rhythms of Life. I believe we are at a place now where we are breaking out of the production-consumption industrial model of music and about to return to a participation-community model. To me, that is when music becomes a social tool. So I support you in working with people over machines. As a Western man I feel a part of the collective gear fetish-- and how destructive it can be when our boys toys become more important than our friends and neighbours. I really hope that we will continue to learn how to work together and make our music about care taking this beautiful Nature we have inherited. from the Heart, Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 19 16:52:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9JKjor07324; Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: FX and pignose... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-UAoC.A.0wB.qzXdBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Everything in this batch is sold. Thanks for the interest. more crap to follow soon I promise :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. 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Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 04:22:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9K8Jnl03731; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:19:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 04:19:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: mp3 of G2 & EDP Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:22:05 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi This is an mp3 of "me and my guitar" ;-) (not mentioning G2 & EDP...) (size: 5.54M, duration: 06:03) http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 There's more stuff, but I can't seem to get the other contributors' permission to announce it... WTF?! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 06:05:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KA3ra17509; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:03:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:03:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4880D888-227F-11D9-9E45-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mp3 of G2 & EDP Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:03:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <8yrF9D.A.HRE.zfjdBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 20, 2004, at 10:22, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > Hi > > This is an mp3 of "me and my guitar" ;-) (not mentioning G2 & EDP...) > > (size: 5.54M, duration: 06:03) > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 Cool sound! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 10:35:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KEUku19382; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:30:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:30:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c3d70a1a077dca272ae4c1d501c7e41b Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> References: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:54:12 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >>Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with >>regarding the EDP? Between the manual, the online FAQs and >>knowledge base here, I think there's a ready answer to most >>questions. Larry Cooperman said: >My problem is the free association and lack of organization of the >thing. The language is secondary but it is a bit idiosyncratic of >an artist which makes Kim more respectable to me but not while I'm >reading the manual. maybe your problem is not with Kim who wrote the manual but with me who created most of the content. I prefered it to be intuitive rather than logic. this was an amazing experience. maybe the funcionality fits less to your focussed music, but you will find enough... Daniel Erni http://danielerni.ch did some amazing compositions with classical guitar. >I also understand, and I've known this for a long time, that the >more canned the more dried of blood and guts. your language is not easy to understand for me either :-) also: "church lady"? > That's my main area of inquiry into the whole looping thing. What >is we're looking for as looping artists? I've used terms like >masturbation and self aggrandizing and lumping myself into those >descriptions when I consider looping but I am an adult and use >language that may be a bit unnerving to those who are following some >kind of holy writ of looping that may unconsciously exist. big question, really. masturbation is a good thing. aggrandizing and lumping also meet strong parts of the experience. Instant (soul/mood) mirror is still the strongest and most holy for me. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 10:49:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KEfZj21441; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:40:57 -0600 Message-ID: <004a01c4b6b2$d2d22d80$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great job, Bernhard. I like the layered textures you create in the beginning, which you use as a foundation for your guitar melody/solo work. It is also refreshing, from my own subjective perspective, to hear loopers "play" their instruments and add musical identity to their works, rather than producing only ambient backdrops. This really illustrates the power of looping technology. I believe songs need a signature of some sort, and chords and sound effects don't always accomplish this for me. Creative use of melody and harmony to me demonstrates that a performer is comfortable with his instrument as a tool of emotive expression, and with the activity of creating music as art vs. craft. I like to make analogies between loooping and painting. For me, a strictly ambient looping performance is like painting a sky, sea, and distant range of mountains on the canvas and leaving it at that. For me, that is neither intriguing nor particularly inspiring, but if the painter goes back and adds some interesting and creative detail, this means to me that the artist has something to say, and they have mastered the use of the palette and paintbrush well enough to express it artistically. This is a generalization and personal preference of course. There are paintings and ambient recordings out there that I find intriguing and inspiring, but very few. For example, I'd rather see an abstract landscape with something peculiar about the textures or color choice, rather than a realism portrayal of my back yard or the fruit on my counter-top. Anyway, you exemplify what I'm trying to articulate here. I'm sorry I missed your performance in Santa Cruz. I hear some stereo panning on this...are you using two EDPs after your G2, or are you applying the stereo imaging after the recording? On a similar note related to the G2, is anyone out there using the TC Electronics FireworX effects unit? ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:22 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: mp3 of G2 & EDP Hi This is an mp3 of "me and my guitar" ;-) (not mentioning G2 & EDP...) (size: 5.54M, duration: 06:03) http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 There's more stuff, but I can't seem to get the other contributors' permission to announce it... WTF?! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 11:13:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KF2S425070; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:02:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:02:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Larry Cooperman Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:00:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Resent-Message-ID: <7PfAtC.A.pEG.c3ndBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > maybe your problem is not with Kim who wrote the manual but with me > who created most of the content. I prefered it to be intuitive rather > than logic. this was an amazing experience. maybe the funcionality > fits less to your focussed music, but you will find enough... It's not so bad. I have no problem with anyone. It is important to understand that all music is intuitive to begin with. I know we all know this. My music condensed in that the classical guitar eats up form and spits out something different in the formal sense. The range is small but the application of the instrument is solo so you have to work in extreme limitations. A good thing. >> I also understand, and I've known this for a long time, that the more >> canned the more dried of blood and guts. > > your language is not easy to understand for me either :-) > also: "church lady"? The Church Lady is a woman who is tremendously restrictive and totally bound to church dogma. Blood and guts=abandonment and subject to full momentary expression. Canned=prepared before the execution. > >> That's my main area of inquiry into the whole looping thing. What >> is we're looking for as looping artists? I've used terms like >> masturbation and self aggrandizing and lumping myself into those >> descriptions when I consider looping but I am an adult and use >> language that may be a bit unnerving to those who are following some >> kind of holy writ of looping that may unconsciously exist. > > big question, really. masturbation is a good thing. aggrandizing and > lumping also meet strong parts of the experience. Instant (soul/mood) > mirror is still the strongest and most holy for me. Holy, boy I use language that I now don't care for. Nothing is holy in my mind. When people deem something holy it becomes fixed and cannot be changed. That is what really bothers me about loops. This is my job, to make a loop and change it into something that was unaccounted for. Found art. Composition is codified improvisation. The moment carved into a sculpture of time. Manuals aside, thanks for the great unit! I'll get what I want out of it sooner or later. 5 years ago I had two Jammans and had different ideas about what a loop was. It was easy and required not too much though just a foot and some hands, not much brain. Now, with the EDP, my brain hurts because of the options and my differing thoughts about the loop. A new adventure? OK, I am a Boy Scout. Larry Cooperman New Millennium Guitar http://www.newmillguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 13:15:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KH9Bm15001; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:09:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:09:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:08:20 EDT Subject: Re: mp3 of G2 & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_da.16dfe2e8.2ea7f584_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_da.16dfe2e8.2ea7f584_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernhard, I just downloaded your file and it's just starting to fade out now.=20 It's REALLY beautiful! I downloaded a couple of other MP3s=20 from your "Echoplex Loops" page while I was at it (I hope you=20 don't mind). In particular I noticed and grabbed: Mathon2004072236.mp3 PBBW_CD1_Track3.mp3 PBBW_CD1_Track4.mp3 Since we only got a half hour of you at Y2K3 I wanted to hear=20 you play just a little more in some other contexts. Your playing=20 reminds me of some of the classic German electronic music from=20 the '70s (Ashra Blackouts, etc.) mixed with some Michael Brooks=20 and something uniquely your own. Very smooth and trancelike. It's also nice to hear Andy Butler on the Mathon tracks and Per=20 Boysen on the PBBW tunes. I'm a big fan of Per. Anywho, any of you folks out there that haven't checked Bernhard's music out yet you're really missing out on something cool. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_da.16dfe2e8.2ea7f584_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernhard,

I just downloaded your file and it's just starting to fade out now.
It's REALLY beautiful! I downloaded a couple of other MP3s
from your "Echoplex Loops" page while I was at it (I hope you
don't mind). In particular I noticed and grabbed:

Mathon2004072236.mp3

PBBW_CD1_Track3.mp3

PBBW_CD1_Track4.mp3

Since we only got a half hour of you at Y2K3 I wanted to hear
you play just a little more in some other contexts. Your playing
reminds me of some of the classic German electronic music from
the '70s (Ashra Blackouts, etc.) mixed with some Michael Brooks
and something uniquely your own. Very smooth and trancelike.

It's also nice to hear Andy Butler on the Mathon tracks and Per
Boysen on the PBBW tunes. I'm a big fan of Per.

Anywho, any of you folks out there that haven't checked Bernhard's
music out yet you're really missing out on something cool.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn















http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas.
--part1_da.16dfe2e8.2ea7f584_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 14:08:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KI2uU24990; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:02:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:02:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [68.63.244.249] X-Originating-Email: [matthewf5@hotmail.com] X-Sender: matthewf5@hotmail.com From: "Matthew Wiley" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Whammy IV Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:01:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2004 18:02:02.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[E69047F0:01C4B6CE] Resent-Message-ID: <4xRcZC.A.lEG.mgqdBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Whammy IV $140 shipped... Used very little in my home studio... (Behringer FCB 1010 SOLD!!!! Thanks Griff!!!!) -Matt _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 14:20:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KIHsQ27851; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:17:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:17:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041020181712.74386.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When your brain hurts thats when u begin to learn... keep at it you wont regret it! cheers Luis > > 5 years ago I had two Jammans and had different > ideas about what a loop > was. It was easy and required not too much though > just a foot and some > hands, not much brain. Now, with the EDP, my brain > hurts because of > the options and my differing thoughts about the > loop. > > A new adventure? OK, I am a Boy Scout. > Larry Cooperman > New Millennium Guitar > http://www.newmillguitar.com > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 15:30:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KJMWO05701; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:22:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:22:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <43EFAAB6-22CD-11D9-A650-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:21:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9KJLea05553 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think he's looping, despite his somewhat opaque musical description (sound samples on his "Listen" page): http://www.thepsychedelicjewsharp.com/about.html "I create this music live. No multi-tracking, no playback of pre-recorded material, no sampling. The raw signal of voice and Jew’s Harp feeds into a portable bank of automated processors. Here, various programmatic, architectonic sound spaces frame rhythmic zones within which certain acoustic potentialities reside. These sonic holograms manifest my musical explorations as shape-shifted sound. Seminal acoustics are gestated into new aural forms to birth multi- dimensional soundscapes of interpenetrating pulses and harmonics." TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 16:08:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KJvhS10595; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:57:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:57:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410201957.i9KJv8a10505@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:57:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <43EFAAB6-22CD-11D9-A650-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Thread-Index: AcS22v73iEaxgD27QC2f/jMhHqP1rwAAzrmg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hmm, maybe but at the same time a lot of what he is doing is humming while strumming and some processing. Some effects sound like something an Adrenalinn II could do (I should have kept mine :'( ) no real looping device or at least no analog sequencer sounds pretty creative either way. is Bob the thumb piano guy still around let's see what he thinks. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim I think he's looping, despite his somewhat opaque musical description (sound samples on his "Listen" page): http://www.thepsychedelicjewsharp.com/about.html "I create this music live. No multi-tracking, no playback of pre-recorded material, no sampling. The raw signal of voice and Jew's Harp feeds into a portable bank of automated processors. Here, various programmatic, architectonic sound spaces frame rhythmic zones within which certain acoustic potentialities reside. These sonic holograms manifest my musical explorations as shape-shifted sound. Seminal acoustics are gestated into new aural forms to birth multi- dimensional soundscapes of interpenetrating pulses and harmonics." TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 16:36:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KKWAu16640; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:32:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:32:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:29:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200410201957.i9KJv8a10505@hemlock.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AcS22v73iEaxgD27QC2f/jMhHqP1rwAAzrmgAAFOLlA= Message-Id: <20041020202957.YWVZ12238.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <3qTjIC.A.K_D.NrsdBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah, sounds like filter city--but I thought I heard some pitch shifing too--Kaoss II? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Hmm, maybe but at the same time a lot of what he is doing is humming while strumming and some processing. Some effects sound like something an Adrenalinn II could do (I should have kept mine :'( ) no real looping device or at least no analog sequencer sounds pretty creative either way. is Bob the thumb piano guy still around let's see what he thinks. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim I think he's looping, despite his somewhat opaque musical description (sound samples on his "Listen" page): http://www.thepsychedelicjewsharp.com/about.html "I create this music live. No multi-tracking, no playback of pre-recorded material, no sampling. The raw signal of voice and Jew's Harp feeds into a portable bank of automated processors. Here, various programmatic, architectonic sound spaces frame rhythmic zones within which certain acoustic potentialities reside. These sonic holograms manifest my musical explorations as shape-shifted sound. Seminal acoustics are gestated into new aural forms to birth multi- dimensional soundscapes of interpenetrating pulses and harmonics." TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 17:39:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KLaIq25944; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:36:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:36:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)" Subject: TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:39:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c4b6ed$3ca24b70$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You asked: > On a similar note related to the G2, is anyone out there using the TC > Electronics FireworX effects unit? I'm using one (as is or was our own Luca Formentini btw). The quick rundown: the greatest thing about this device is its flexibility when it comes to routing and modulation (can't compare it to the G2, as I don't know it). Basically, you can arrange and combine your different effects any way I could think of. Two inputs into two different effects, which then go into a ring modulator, which is then effected by two different effects which are routed two two different outputs...you get the picture. Plus, you have the added bonus of a freely assignable feedback chain (i.e. for building your tape delay simulations where you place your compression/distortion/eq in the feedback chain around your delay). And you can add an external insert anywhere in your processing chain. And the modulation possibilities: you have envelope follower, adsrs, lfos MIDI controllers (the standards), pitch detection, a step sequencer and mathematical functions to work on your modulation signals. Everything is possible here. Regarding effects, apart from the standards (delay, flanger/chorus, reverb, pitch shifter, dynamics, ringmod), you get a very nice digital artifacts generator, a formant wah, a vocoder, a synth (!) and several nice other goodies. Very nice UI. The downside? Lacking processing power...with those possibilities regarding patch constructions, I could use like four times of the available power... For detailed questions, feel free to inquire by private email! Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 17:47:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KLhtI27046; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:43:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:43:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410202143.i9KLhaa27005@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:43:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041020202957.YWVZ12238.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Thread-Index: AcS22v73iEaxgD27QC2f/jMhHqP1rwAAzrmgAAFOLlAAAnTCwA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Yeah reading the details it mentions using multiple sound processors so, the skys the limits here could be any and all. I heard some things that reminded me of a TC Electronics patch too but, there was a beat syched effect that reminded me of an Adrenalinn on one tune it sounded like a modified Adrenalinn patch called rubber band. Good stuff either way very creative use of technique, effects and talent. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:30 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Yeah, sounds like filter city--but I thought I heard some pitch shifing too--Kaoss II? Gary -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 12:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Hmm, maybe but at the same time a lot of what he is doing is humming while strumming and some processing. Some effects sound like something an Adrenalinn II could do (I should have kept mine :'( ) no real looping device or at least no analog sequencer sounds pretty creative either way. is Bob the thumb piano guy still around let's see what he thinks. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:22 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim I think he's looping, despite his somewhat opaque musical description (sound samples on his "Listen" page): http://www.thepsychedelicjewsharp.com/about.html "I create this music live. No multi-tracking, no playback of pre-recorded material, no sampling. The raw signal of voice and Jew's Harp feeds into a portable bank of automated processors. Here, various programmatic, architectonic sound spaces frame rhythmic zones within which certain acoustic potentialities reside. These sonic holograms manifest my musical explorations as shape-shifted sound. Seminal acoustics are gestated into new aural forms to birth multi- dimensional soundscapes of interpenetrating pulses and harmonics." TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 17:56:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KLleS27823; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:47:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:47:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410202146.i9KLk9a27551@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: "'Looper's Delight Mailing List \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:46:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000401c4b6ed$3ca24b70$0601a8c0@SATAN> Thread-Index: AcS27OhaWMsFcgiZTp2peEqYBJ/oYwAASoyg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ain't that the truth! -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:39 PM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP) Very nice UI. The downside? Lacking processing power...with those possibilities regarding patch constructions, I could use like four times of the available power... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 18:04:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KM0QC29245; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:00:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:00:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4176DFC9.8EBC43DF@voicenet.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:59:37 -0400 From: Charles Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Healing thru improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com at a Deep Listening Retreat with Pauline Oliveros, I heard her say: " To know that you have been heard, that is very healing. " Much food for thought for an improvising musician, eh? -- **** What's Charles Up to? **** http://www.voicenet.com/~ccohen AIM= beepsandboops / YAHOO IM = beepsandboops2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 18:49:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KMaZk02042; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:36:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:36:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.85,155,1094443200"; d="scan'208"; a="384019260:sNHT13217504" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410202146.i9KLk9a27551@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410202146.i9KLk9a27551@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F6AF41A-22E8-11D9-99ED-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:35:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You got that right! Despite the cool processing options, I remember my FireworX experience as my biggest disappointment ever for an FX purchase. I sold a G-Force that I loved to get it, because I was seduced by the tc literature into thinking the FireworX would be a G-Force on steriods. Turned out it was a crippled G-Force (which could always run all 8 processor types, with marvelously diverse routing options) with idiot-savant powers (never could get more than 3 processors going at once, and usually crapped out at 2)...Current fave processors: KSP8...astounding! THIS is the legitimate heir to that old-school-wonder, the Ensoniq DP-4. Eventide Eclipse....deep and yummy! Both of these wipe the floor with the FireworX, imo, (but wouldn't if they bumped the horse power!). I've posted detailed reviews of most of these at H-C, fwiw. They're both quite respectable delay loopers, too....;-) dpc On Oct 20, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Very nice UI. > > The downside? Lacking processing power...with those possibilities > regarding > patch constructions, I could use like four times of the available > power... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 18:50:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KMkXC03766; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:46:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:46:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <77.36a54372.2ea8449f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:45:51 EDT Subject: Re: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/20/04 12:57:29 PM, nospam@akroeger.com writes: << is Bob the thumb piano guy still around let's see what he thinks. >> Heh. Still here in the nether reaches of cyberspace after all that has befallen our fragile planet? Still here after all these years in spite of it all? :-) I had a listen, made me think of Tuvan throat singing music. There seems to be pitch shift going on and a whatever you call it sampled band pass beat generating like the Adrenalinn does, some freq shifting and EQed reverb. Hard to say what is being applied, there may be some delay with feedback turned up all the way, or he may be using a Jamman but I suspect he would not really need to since he is basically wailing on one prong. He also might be working in stereo and splitting the signal into 2 different banks of processors, sounds like he is getting at least 4 layers on some tracks. The little Ineko processor and the Kaoss pad can do some of that stuff but he mentions "automated" processing so maybe he is using a laptop and LIVE? He is getting a nice full sound and it has a friendly loping quality (loping like the gait of a horse not looping), just all a bit similar. Pretty interesting but I personally prefer the Mongolian and Tuvan stuff. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 18:56:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KMq0Q04948; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:52:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:52:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.85,155,1094443200"; d="scan'208"; a="384089510:sNHT12932710" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410202146.i9KLk9a27551@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410202146.i9KLk9a27551@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <943242D6-22EA-11D9-99ED-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: TC FireworX (was: mp3 of G2 & EDP) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:51:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Most interesting new hardware FX processors, imo: http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/ http://www.plugorama.com/customer/home.php (run Reaktor 4 on this...YES!) Rumour'n'Mangler, from Kurzweil dpc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 19:06:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KN1T407077; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:01:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:01:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <55.64636d0c.2ea84825@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:00:53 EDT Subject: some experiments To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I thought I'd mention that I have been documenting some recent experiments and since the internet may be obsolete by the time I set up a website, I put some files up at the Yahoo Junkmusic page: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/junkmusic Unfortunately you have to join the group but that just takes a minute or 2 and it is easy to unjoin. Anyway, for those interested, there are some jpegs and mp3s in a folder called Thumb Piano Concepts: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/junkmusic/files Here is a direct url into the folder: http://tinyurl.com/5xanc There is a thumb piano made out of a book, one made out of an eyeglass case, 2 thumb pianos made from briefcases, and another made from various found objects. I have placed only two mp3 files so far. There is a short loop file of the book piano of about 23 seconds and then a longer nearly 2 minute piece using the briefcase piano. regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 20 19:22:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9KNHx509782; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:17:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:17:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410201957.i9KJv8a10505@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410201957.i9KJv8a10505@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3338D4DA-22EE-11D9-844C-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:17:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <8BF90C.A.QXC.KIvdBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm a Jew's Harpist...I have enjoyed this guys music a lot and wondered how he did it perhaps Kantos by Antares? Best Piers -- ================================================================== Piers Gibbon ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.piersgibbon.com | piers@piersgibbon.com ================================================================== On Oct 20, 2004, at 8:57 pm, Alan Kroeger wrote: > Hmm, maybe but at the same time a lot of what he is doing is humming > while > strumming and some processing. Some effects sound like something an > Adrenalinn II could do (I should have kept mine :'( ) no real looping > device or at least no analog sequencer sounds pretty creative either > way. is > Bob the thumb piano guy still around let's see what he thinks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim > > I think he's looping, despite his somewhat opaque musical description > (sound > samples on his "Listen" page): > > http://www.thepsychedelicjewsharp.com/about.html > > "I create this music live. No multi-tracking, no playback of > pre-recorded > material, no sampling. The raw signal of voice and Jew's Harp feeds > into a > portable bank of automated processors. Here, various programmatic, > architectonic sound spaces frame rhythmic zones within which certain > acoustic potentialities reside. These sonic holograms manifest my > musical > explorations as shape-shifted sound. Seminal acoustics are gestated > into new > aural forms to birth multi- dimensional soundscapes of interpenetrating > pulses and harmonics." > > TravisH > > > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* > > The Official Travis Hartnett Website: > http://www.travishartnett.com > > *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 01:32:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L5HJf25063; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:17:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:17:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <92.183ed094.2ea8a021@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: mp3 of G2 & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_92.183ed094.2ea8a021_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_92.183ed094.2ea8a021_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/20/04 4:19:53 AM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 > oh you loopy thang!.....when are we going to get a cd?.....michael --part1_92.183ed094.2ea8a021_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/20/04 4:19:53 AM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes:


http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon= 200407200026.mp3


oh you loopy thang!.....when are we going to get a cd?.....michael
--part1_92.183ed094.2ea8a021_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 02:17:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L6AdX32434; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:10:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:10:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:09:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS3LXggwckHfdR7Qg2R05M4hsh7dQABu/4g In-Reply-To: <92.183ed094.2ea8a021@aol.com> Message-Id: <20041021061002.PHJZ21535.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 Nice stuff! All live? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 02:49:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L6lMN06092; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:47:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:47:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <03b401c4b739$be3304d0$5e69f404@HP> From: "john rush" To: Subject: Pedal Options Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03B1_01C4B718.36605EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03B1_01C4B718.36605EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a Gibson Echoplex live in my solo act. I tour constantly doing = over 200 shows a year. I'm looking for a more durable and easier to hit = pedal. I have a Roland VG-88 and I really like the buttons on it. Why = does the Echoplex have such little buttons that are hard to hit? Is = there anything that I can substite? Preferably something that can take = a beating. I'm on my 3rd pedal in just over 2 years. My JamMan pedal = never had a problem. Any suggestions? Thanks, John Rush www.johnrush.com ------=_NextPart_000_03B1_01C4B718.36605EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use a Gibson Echoplex live in my = solo=20 act.  I tour constantly doing over 200 shows a year.  I'm = looking for=20 a more durable and easier to hit pedal.  I have a Roland VG-88 and = I really=20 like the buttons on it.  Why does the Echoplex have such little = buttons=20 that are hard to hit?  Is there anything that I can=20 substite?  Preferably something that can take a beating.  I'm = on=20 my 3rd pedal in just over 2 years.  My JamMan pedal never had = a=20 problem.  Any suggestions?
 
Thanks,
John Rush
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------=_NextPart_000_03B1_01C4B718.36605EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 03:34:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L7UEU12244; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:30:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:30:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021072938.33014.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Pedal Options To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <03b401c4b739$be3304d0$5e69f404@HP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Behringer FCB1010 you can beat that one! cheers Luis --- john rush wrote: > I use a Gibson Echoplex live in my solo act. I tour > constantly doing over 200 shows a year. I'm looking > for a more durable and easier to hit pedal. I have > a Roland VG-88 and I really like the buttons on it. > Why does the Echoplex have such little buttons that > are hard to hit? Is there anything that I can > substite? Preferably something that can take a > beating. I'm on my 3rd pedal in just over 2 years. > My JamMan pedal never had a problem. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks, > John Rush > www.johnrush.com ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 03:35:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L7VGM12326; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:31:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:31:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021073100.52954.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041021061002.PHJZ21535.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <-dm3ZB.A.PAD.6W2dBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great stuff Bernhard! now describe how you did it;-) cheers Luis > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 03:55:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L7kQX14066; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:46:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:46:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021074556.50952.qmail@web54609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.C. Skwayrd" Subject: Matching overdub volumes on RC-20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I just bought a Boss/Roland RC-20XL. It's a nice unit with basic features, and 16 minutes of recording time... One thing I'm confused about, however --- and can't find ANY discussion on in the manual or on Roland's website --- is how to adjust the volume at which the newly overdubbed "phrase" gets added to the mix. You'd think it would just get added at whatever volume you actually played it at! (i.e. the volume you just heard it at when you played it...) But no, the volume is generally lower upon playback, sometimes way lower. The volume of the "instrument I'm playing right now" is adjusted with one knob, and the volume of the loop is set by another... Okay, case in point: the unit has some fun pre-recorded loops set by the factory (some heavy metal licks and some funk riffs). I can play along with these and hear myself fine while playing, but if I try to overdub onto one of these tracks and add something of my own to it, I cannot hear (or can barely hear) my overdubbed playing in the mix. What's going on here? And how do I adjust the mix? (Presumably the pre-recorded tracks were recorded at some amazingly high volume, but...if I can hear my guitar while I'm playing, I ought to be able to hear it once recorded...) Thanks, Scott __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 03:57:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L7tIH15234; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:55:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:55:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 61b9239c9b9a76a138003b5c34caebbc Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004a01c4b6b2$d2d22d80$6501a8c0@khartung> References: <004a01c4b6b2$d2d22d80$6501a8c0@khartung> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:46:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: painting (was mp3 of G2 & EDP) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krispen brought up nicely: >I like to make analogies between loooping and painting. this is great, because both come to exist by puting line after line. Reduced FeedBack is not quite like overpainting, but I bet the painters would love a paint that acts like FeedBack :-) > For me, a >strictly ambient looping performance is like painting a sky, sea, and >distant range of mountains on the canvas and leaving it at that. For me, >that is neither intriguing nor particularly inspiring, but if the >painter goes back and adds some interesting and creative detail, this >means to me that the artist has something to say, here I dont agree, creating a cloud is saying something >and they have mastered >the use of the palette and paintbrush well enough to express it >artistically. This is a generalization and personal preference of >course. There are paintings and ambient recordings out there that I find >intriguing and inspiring, but very few. For example, I'd rather see an >abstract landscape with something peculiar about the textures or color >choice, rather than a realism portrayal of my back yard or the fruit on >my counter-top. I would say the background rather sets the state of mind, while melodies call emotions. Its interesting to go though all kinds of emotions within a state of mind, and those can change rather quickly, like in a movie - which fits to what Steve Sandberg said recently: >I've experimented taping myself with and without the loops, and it >consistently sounds better and sounds freer and more emotional without the >loops. Ambient music lets you space to imagine your own details. The focus is on the whole, or nowhere. As soon as you put a cow into the landscape, it atracts the focus. But done right, the landscape still comes through, and still leaves space... but a subject is given, somehow. Why would we choose between ambient and emotional music, if they combine as easily as a cow and a hill or a ray and a cloud in a painting? Some say that emotions inhibit spiritual openness... I rather see them as calls to open channels... But yes, Steve, if you want to tell a story at the speed of cinema, loops may slow you down too much. For me, most movies are to quick and most loopers to slow :-). I recently asked a pedagog how many repetition it takes to learn something. Once is only enough in emergency situations. Teaching through shocks. Peacefully, twice is often enough. 3 or 4 to make sure. This is for mental memorizing. To get into a mood takes more. To reach a state of mind usually more even. So a rough loop recepy could be: Put a very slowly changing background to reach the state of mind Use quicker changing loops to create moods Live the emotion in the solo (and then you can still sing a text if you have concrete info to give :-) But I dont really recommend to follow such rules. I am thinking to much. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 03:59:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L7tKA15238; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:55:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:55:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 3cfc57dbc77acae79b94a6b0e189b41b Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041019204349.M9558@stickist.com> References: <200410191842.i9JIg6a22833@hemlock.violacea.com> <20041019204349.M9558@stickist.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:52:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Healing thru improvisation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >hi Matthias, > >>does anyone know about Holotropic Breathing, Stanislav Grof >>or Rebirthing? Music is important there, isnt it? Could looping help, >>or is it used somewhere in this context? > >I love where your spirit is going with this! You have a remarkable vision of >different contexts in which group improvisation and looping can be used. Yes, each women I meet wants to cure me with a different method. :-) I really apreciate those efforts and find most of them interesting and helpful to some extent, but never trust enough to really join a group stay with it. My center is the music - which luckily fits into many of the methods, but so far never was fully accepted - possibly a power game also... so I keep returning to the freedom to play... > >yes, specifically, as soon as I think "this is great" (specially in >>the sense of: "I am great"), its not any more > >Your voice is among the many who say that we must become empty like >a hollow bone. I've felt it, too, that when we have no agenda, no >ego, we are innocent like a child, we are totally in it for the >Great Mystery of the moment--that's when we connect with the muse. yes, as usual, you found the nice words :-) >I totally support you in starting an improvisation group by the people for the >people. It is making improvisation into a spiritual discipline, discipline does not sound quite right for me here. The natures tool to teach is through playing (just look at young cats!). So how is that: Discipline is they way to learn from other people and the past. Playing is the way to learn from the actual universe. >accessible by >anyone. This is most emphatically my prayer, because I feel that >communities can really be strengthened when we sing and dance >together-- and we need to invent our own voice, to find our own path >into the whole. as oposed to tradition, we now emphasize the individual. But its sound still should find harmony in the comunity, so this is part of the exercise > >I established a free improvising group here in Salvador since >>February. The members keep changing exept me and my partner Danilo, >>who is rather into rhythm, while I rather care for tuning. We let it >>run. Most participants are not musician. the process even works when >>noone ever played music. The result is not pleasent, most of the >>time, but its very intense for the participants, and most time its >>not chaotic. Its amazing that even if you dont want, some >>organization always grows out of chaos! Its just a matter of time, or >>patience with the chaos. Once its runing, it goes on for 3 hours or >>more, and often though all kinds of styles including animal voices >>:-). When there are more educated musicians, sometimes it turns into >>barok poliphony and amazing a capella choirs. Very rarely we stop for >>a moment or I say something about the process. Recently I had good >>experiences when restarting with only voices and body sounds after >>the first instrumental part worked out. Kills shame... >> >>Its a big kick to see some shining eyes in the end of people saying: >>I thought I could not play music >>I play for many years but never felt this >>Its like brain washing >>... >> >>I thought about inviting people of all over the world to participate. >>I just dont quite know yet how to organize... > >Some friends agreed to have me facilitate singing circles in Calgary, and we >have been holding Sunday gatherings with pot luck and improv. My >experience really echoes what you have felt down in Bahia. I feel a >great nostalgia for those days when tribal peoples used voice as a >way to gel community, Nature, >and Spirit. nostalgia? I dont think it will be so similar to the past, when traditional formality dominated... >There is a man, David Hatfield, out of Vancouver, who hosts improvisational >singing circles. He has developed some techniques for developing core >musicality such as a sense of harmony and rhythm-- from within group improv. >Google has cached a beautiful essay he wrote for the Unitarian Church. You >might find his tips useful in facilitating your own group. could not find it, would be interesting, really... >Also, you mentioned Holotropic Breathing and looping. That would be a >fantastic experiment. Shamanic drumming, looping, holotropic breathing, >pranayama-- all seem to work in rhythmic ways to tune us in to the larger >rhythms of Life. I believe we are at a place now where we are >breaking out of the production-consumption industrial model of music >and about to return to a participation-community model. To me, that >is when music becomes a social tool. "break out of the production-consumption industrial model" is great, not just for music, but is it a return to any model? The process of individualisation cannot be reversed. In the past, the priest was the way to God, now everyone searches his own, which I find exellent. But we need to prevent from isolation/missunderstanding. Gathering to let our individual voices sound together does not have the subordinating aspect it had in the past. I tried to find colective hints like rules, but the members of our group dont accept them and they are right. While in the past, Unity was the first aim, now its Freedom. I am only the founder, not the leader of the group. >So I support you in working with people over machines. As a Western >man I feel a part of the collective gear fetish-- and how >destructive it can be when our boys toys become more important than >our friends and neighbours. I really hope that we will continue to >learn how to work together and make our music about care taking this >beautiful Nature we have inherited. yeah The looping tools are great for self finding but as discussed hear recently, for a group (bigger than 3, I would say) they are rather holding back the dynamic process. So far I dont see how to improve collective improvisation with a machine :-) > >from the Heart, >Mercury -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 04:04:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L7tFH15228; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:55:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:55:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 8fb8a6a8f33ba07eca5c6ddc47941572 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:27:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: mp3 of G2 & EDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >This is an mp3 of "me and my guitar" ;-) (not mentioning G2 & EDP...) > >(size: 5.54M, duration: 06:03) >http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 > >There's more stuff, but I can't seem to get the other contributors' >permission to announce it... WTF?! sorry Ben, I have been out to nature those days... yes, sure, no secrets, and your loops and playing is great, but I find the pieces longish and would chop them to half as usual, taking out some insecure stuff... quite some work though... what do you listeners say: do you rather want to stand out the authentic full size or hear a "cleaned" edit? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 04:24:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L8Iqt18790; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:18:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:18:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:20:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:10:04 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.141.221.113 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This is an mp3 of "me and my guitar" ;-) (not mentioning G2 & EDP...) > (size: 5.54M, duration: 06:03) > http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 very nice Bernhard ... the bassline is simple and great ... reminded me of Peter Gabriel, I could easily imagine him singing over it ... :-) -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 05:00:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L8mnc22633; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:48:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 04:48:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000701c4b74a$92536ba0$6401a8c0@watercooled> From: "David J. Grossman" To: Subject: Live bass looping in a power-trio lineup Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:47:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am currently in two bands with the same drummer but different guitarists. One of the bands, (unpronounceable), includes extensive live looping of my 7 and 9-string basses. I've posted a couple of mp3's at: http://www.unpronounceable.com/ There's not much of a site there now. There are two songs that we recorded last week. They turned out okay so we decided to try to use them for a demo. They're kinda long so I posted a couple of preview versions too. There are some issues here and there because we didn't originally intend to release these so we were taking more chances than we might for a serious recording. I think that's part of the charm of these versions. You'll hear what I mean when you get to the reversed, half-speed, and double-speed dubs in DarkMatter. :-) The bass is extensively looped with an echoplex so you'll hear several basses playing at once in many places so it may sound like there are multiple basses or multiple guitars. There are no overdubs. There were a couple of points where we stopped and restarted but these were played to a click (for synchronization with the echoplex) so the edits aren't obvious. These were recorded in our rehearsal studio with a PC and a 16-track digital recording setup. No effects were added to the mixdown except for some equalization. Hope you like them. - Dave http://www.unpronounceable.com/dave/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 05:54:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9L9obu27628; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:50:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:50:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041021074556.50952.qmail@web54609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041021074556.50952.qmail@web54609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90FAC1CD-2346-11D9-921B-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: Matching overdub volumes on RC-20XL Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:49:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott Good to hear of another XL owner out there! I'm impressed with this machine - let's keep exchanging ideas I think you can do what you want - by either adjusting the Mic or Inst level knob...and/or by putting yourself through a mini mixing desk before it goes into the XL but I'm new here so take this with pinch 'o salt Best Piers -- ================================================================== Piers Gibbon ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.piersgibbon.com | piers@piersgibbon.com On Oct 21, 2004, at 8:45 am, M.C. Skwayrd wrote: > Hi, I just bought a Boss/Roland RC-20XL. It's a nice > unit with basic features, and 16 minutes of recording > time... > > One thing I'm confused about, however --- and can't > find ANY discussion on in the manual or on Roland's > website --- is how to adjust the volume at which the > newly overdubbed "phrase" gets added to the mix. > > You'd think it would just get added at whatever volume > you actually played it at! (i.e. the volume you just > heard it at when you played it...) But no, the volume > is generally lower upon playback, sometimes way lower. > The volume of the "instrument I'm playing right now" > is adjusted with one knob, and the volume of the loop > is set by another... > > Okay, case in point: the unit has some fun > pre-recorded loops set by the factory (some heavy > metal licks and some funk riffs). I can play along > with these and hear myself fine while playing, but if > I try to overdub onto one of these tracks and add > something of my own to it, I cannot hear (or can > barely hear) my overdubbed playing in the mix. What's > going on here? And how do I adjust the mix? > > (Presumably the pre-recorded tracks were recorded at > some amazingly high volume, but...if I can hear my > guitar while I'm playing, I ought to be able to hear > it once recorded...) > > Thanks, > Scott > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 08:05:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LC24R07366; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:02:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:02:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: painting (was mp3 of G2 & EDP) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 05:59:57 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c4b765$7f5a70f0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "For me", a >strictly ambient looping performance is like painting a sky, sea, and >distant range of mountains on the canvas and leaving it at that. "For >me", that is neither "intriguing nor particularly inspiring", but if the >painter goes back and adds some interesting and creative detail, this >means to me that the artist has something to say, >> here I dont agree, creating a cloud is saying something Matthias (and this is a subtle invitation for anyone to discuss music/art aesthetics with me) - how can you agree or disagree with my own subjective response to an ordinary cloud painted on canvas? How is this possible...I'm making a statement about my emotive response to some art, not an objective and empirically verifiable fact about an intrinsic property of that art. This is like disagreeing with m personal claim that I don't like the color blue. :) All in all, however, I understand what you are trying to say here. Sometimes a simple device or bit of artistic expression can be inspiring or interesting to someone. I concede to all exceptions, of course. Cheers, Krispen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 08:46:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LCglx11516; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:42:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: ffc23b6d8eb40a7f4d4f62f001295d3a Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002101c4b765$7f5a70f0$6501a8c0@khartung> References: <002101c4b765$7f5a70f0$6501a8c0@khartung> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:40:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: painting (was mp3 of G2 & EDP) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > "For me", a >>strictly ambient looping performance is like painting a sky, sea, and >>distant range of mountains on the canvas and leaving it at that. "For >>me", that is neither "intriguing nor particularly inspiring", but if >the >>painter goes back and adds some interesting and creative detail, this >>means to me that the artist has something to say, > >>> here I dont agree, creating a cloud is saying something > >Matthias (and this is a subtle invitation for anyone to discuss >music/art aesthetics with me) - how can you agree or disagree with my >own subjective response to an ordinary cloud painted on canvas? How is >this possible...I'm making a statement about my emotive response to some >art, not an objective and empirically verifiable fact about an intrinsic >property of that art. This is like disagreeing with m personal claim >that I don't like the color blue. :) you are totally right, I should have put: "someone who simply creates a cloud can also say something to me" and you dont know how you hit me in a moment that I doubt strongly about my urge to teach anything here (and to my girl friend, thats where the impulse comes from), while the learning really comes from playing, and for this, I contribute with instruments and music :-) and for a nice exchange of subtle ideas, this channel is slow, I spend too much time reading and trying to find understandable words... >All in all, however, I understand what you are trying to say here. >Sometimes a simple device or bit of artistic expression can be inspiring >or interesting to someone. I concede to all exceptions, of course. anything is somehow interesting to me, at least for a little moment :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 10:13:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LEBC522124; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:11:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:11:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Learning in Music, etc Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:10:21 -0600 Message-ID: <002501c4b777$b6c45d50$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9LEAZa22043 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Matthias: "while the learning really comes from playing, and for this, I contribute with instruments and music :-)" Isn't this the truth! If I could only execute half the theoretical music and jazz theory academia in my brain, I'd be.....eh, well, a player who thinks too much and plays too many notes in performances? ;) Seriously, however, I am a huge proponent of learning in music and applying in performance. I think many musicians, including myself, after years of growing on our instruments begin to rest on our laurels and don't push ourselves anymore. I can hear it in the playing of myself and others. After a while we become cover musicians of our own clichés and performance styles. Sure, we learn new gimmicks, tricks, and clichés, but I find that actual significant leaps in personal musical growth are difficult after playing for 25 years. It is easy to use gear (looping included) to hide behind this fact, but if we remove all the loops, gear, effects, and alterations, and then gaze upon the naked notes and raw playing, what is the net gain? If we remove the approving "ooohs and awwws" of what we've done with our technical savvy, what have we accomplished artistically? (these are rhetorical questions, by the way) My last big spurt was when I joined a World-Beat band, in which I also learned the sitar. I pushed myself to learn new harmonic textures (Eastern, Middle-Eastern, etc) and rhythms....and that learning has stuck with me for the long run. And several years before that it was jazz, the biggest leap in my musical vocabulary and expansion of my musical palette(again, that painting analogy) to eexpressmyself. One could ask, "who the heck cares that you can play a melodic minor scale a half step aabove an altered dominant chord to generate interesting tension and release with flat 9s, flat 5s, etc?" Well, at the moment, that bit of theory would seem pedantic, but after one internalizes and consciously "forgets" the approach during live performances, it can still influence your playing and musical vocabulary to express more effectively. It's the old saying about theory...learn it, internalize it, and then forget it. One of my guitar mentors once said in a video if you can just spend 10 minutes a day learning something new on your instrument, whether it is a new chord, scale, or improvisational technique, you can improve tremendously over time. It doesn't necessarily require that Julliard 8-hour a day routine. This is easier said than done, of course...at the end of the day, what I've done is tweaked more knobs, modified more parameters, and screwed with more MP3 files than actually improving as a musician. On accation, we should all lock ourselves in a room for a week with nothing but an acoustic instrument and tape recorder and see if we come out with something new in the end. Of course, by that time, some smart ass would have re-wired the tape recorder to be a looping device! Heh heh. ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 10:14:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LEATt21943; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:10:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:10:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <3338D4DA-22EE-11D9-844C-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> References: <200410201957.i9KJv8a10505@hemlock.violacea.com> <3338D4DA-22EE-11D9-844C-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F82072B-236B-11D9-B270-000A95683D10@sympatico.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Grossman Ben From: Ben Grossman Subject: Re: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:11:11 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I play as well and I have to say that a lot of what I hear on this is the sound of the instrument. There's a huge variety of types of 'harps out there. I think that it's a brilliant marriage of technique and technology - something (I think) to which we all aspire. I'm gonna get me some! Regards to all, Ben On 20 Oct, 2004, at 7:17 PM, Piers Gibbon wrote: > I'm a Jew's Harpist...I have enjoyed this guys music a lot and > wondered how he did it > > perhaps Kantos by Antares? > > Best > > Piers > -- > ================================================================== > Piers Gibbon > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.piersgibbon.com | piers@piersgibbon.com > ================================================================== > > On Oct 20, 2004, at 8:57 pm, Alan Kroeger wrote: > >> Hmm, maybe but at the same time a lot of what he is doing is humming >> while >> strumming and some processing. Some effects sound like something an >> Adrenalinn II could do (I should have kept mine :'( ) no real looping >> device or at least no analog sequencer sounds pretty creative either >> way. is >> Bob the thumb piano guy still around let's see what he thinks. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:22 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Psychedelic Jew's Harp: J. M. Nasim >> >> I think he's looping, despite his somewhat opaque musical description >> (sound >> samples on his "Listen" page): >> >> http://www.thepsychedelicjewsharp.com/about.html >> >> "I create this music live. No multi-tracking, no playback of >> pre-recorded >> material, no sampling. The raw signal of voice and Jew's Harp feeds >> into a >> portable bank of automated processors. Here, various programmatic, >> architectonic sound spaces frame rhythmic zones within which certain >> acoustic potentialities reside. These sonic holograms manifest my >> musical >> explorations as shape-shifted sound. Seminal acoustics are gestated >> into new >> aural forms to birth multi- dimensional soundscapes of >> interpenetrating >> pulses and harmonics." >> >> TravisH >> >> >> *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* >> >> The Official Travis Hartnett Website: >> http://www.travishartnett.com >> >> *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- Ben Grossman ben@macrophone.org http://www.macrophone.org http://www.posttraditional.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 10:39:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LEZLI25406; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:35:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:35:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410210759.i9L7x5c16182@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410210759.i9L7x5c16182@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <447A6FBC-236E-11D9-A2A8-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Pedal Options Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:34:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9LEYAa25256 Resent-Message-ID: <4G0vrB.A.ELG.mj8dBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The larger the buttons, the larger the foot controller, the more space required on the floor. The current controller puts all the necessary functions into a controller that can be stored inside a rack if need be. Like all tools, it requires that you learn the proper technique for using it--i.e. not using unnecessary force when pressing the switches, and learning how to use more of the toe of your foot rather than the ball or whatever part of your boot you can get to switch in time. The same technique that may work for turning on your chorus may not work for EDP work. I've used mine for 150+ shows for years, and have yet to break any of the switches and I've got size 12 feet. A larger controller with bigger, heavier switches would drive the price up,and quicklly pushes you into the range where you can now buy a MIDI controller like the Behringer. The switches themselves were chosen to provide accuracy in timing (short throw, no hard click point), not make a lot of acoustic sound (most of the heavier duty switches make a loud click when depressed) and be inexpensive to build/replace. The foot controller is offered as a optional accessory, so you don't have to buy one if it doesn't fit your situation. However, as I recall the JamMan switch that Lexicon included had two buttons, was made of plastic, and was $20, which I thought was about $18 more than it was worth, but everyone's got their preferences. A lot of thought went into the button/foot controller design. TravisH On Oct 21, 2004, at 12:59 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "john rush" > Date: October 20, 2004 11:46:49 PM PDT > To: > Subject: Pedal Options > > > I use a Gibson Echoplex live in my solo act.  I tour constantly doing > over 200 shows a year.  I'm looking for a more durable and easier to > hit pedal.  I have a Roland VG-88 and I really like the buttons on > it.  Why does the Echoplex have such little buttons that are hard to > hit?  Is there anything that I can substite?  Preferably something > that can take a beating.  I'm on my 3rd pedal in just over 2 years.  > My JamMan pedal never had a problem.  Any suggestions? >   > Thanks, > John Rush > www.johnrush.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 10:58:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LEuGi28076; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:56:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:56:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Pedal Options Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:54:56 -0600 Message-ID: <002601c4b77d$f14459c0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <447A6FBC-236E-11D9-A2A8-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9LEtAa27813 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I agree, Travis. I find the Echoplex controller to be a beautiful little device....small, light, and appropriately functional. I just don't stomp on it as if it were an old Ibanez stombox. I guess this means I can't wear my "moon boots" when I play? :) I notice that some people play with bare feet or just socks for this reason. I wear traditional tennis shoes, not the gawdy ones with all sorts of rugged arichitecture on the sides and soles....just plan ol' Addidas Stan Smiths. However, for preventative maintenance, does anyone know where we can purchase replacement buttons online for the EDP controller? I wouldn't mind having a few of these on hand. My ADA MC-1 MIDI controller uses the same buttons. ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:tiktok@sprintmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pedal Options The larger the buttons, the larger the foot controller, the more space required on the floor. The current controller puts all the necessary functions into a controller that can be stored inside a rack if need be. Like all tools, it requires that you learn the proper technique for using it--i.e. not using unnecessary force when pressing the switches, and learning how to use more of the toe of your foot rather than the ball or whatever part of your boot you can get to switch in time. The same technique that may work for turning on your chorus may not work for EDP work. I've used mine for 150+ shows for years, and have yet to break any of the switches and I've got size 12 feet. A larger controller with bigger, heavier switches would drive the price up,and quicklly pushes you into the range where you can now buy a MIDI controller like the Behringer. The switches themselves were chosen to provide accuracy in timing (short throw, no hard click point), not make a lot of acoustic sound (most of the heavier duty switches make a loud click when depressed) and be inexpensive to build/replace. The foot controller is offered as a optional accessory, so you don't have to buy one if it doesn't fit your situation. However, as I recall the JamMan switch that Lexicon included had two buttons, was made of plastic, and was $20, which I thought was about $18 more than it was worth, but everyone's got their preferences. A lot of thought went into the button/foot controller design. TravisH On Oct 21, 2004, at 12:59 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: "john rush" > Date: October 20, 2004 11:46:49 PM PDT > To: > Subject: Pedal Options > > > I use a Gibson Echoplex live in my solo act.  I tour constantly doing > over 200 shows a year.  I'm looking for a more durable and easier to > hit pedal.  I have a Roland VG-88 and I really like the buttons on > it.  Why does the Echoplex have such little buttons that are hard to > hit?  Is there anything that I can substite?  Preferably something > that can take a beating.  I'm on my 3rd pedal in just over 2 years.  > My JamMan pedal never had a problem.  Any suggestions? >   > Thanks, > John Rush > www.johnrush.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 11:08:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LF53H29007; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:05:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:05:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [195.195.187.11] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Matching overdub volumes on RC-20XL Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:03:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 15:04:03.0924 (UTC) FILETIME=[344A7140:01C4B77F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi there from what I know of the non XL version of the loopstation the first two buttons on the RIGHT set the in going gain structure, I.E. the instument should be set so that it dosnt clip very often same for the mic this is so the ingoing signal can be processed correctly and so it is not too loud or too quiet, the knob on the furthest LEFT however marked output should be thought of as a kind of "blend control" at its minimum you get no loop and pure guitar , at its max ou get a very loud loop and no guitar if you set it at twelve oclock you get an equal blend (bare in mind this is in tandem with the input gain structure, if you recorded a loop with little gain then overdubbed with a louder input signal, it would appeare louder in the mix. hope this makes sense Phill >From: "M.C. Skwayrd" <mcskwayrd@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Matching overdub volumes on RC-20XL >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:45:56 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi, I just bought a Boss/Roland RC-20XL. It's a nice >unit with basic features, and 16 minutes of recording >time... > >One thing I'm confused about, however --- and can't >find ANY discussion on in the manual or on Roland's >website --- is how to adjust the volume at which the >newly overdubbed "phrase" gets added to the mix. > >You'd think it would just get added at whatever volume >you actually played it at! (i.e. the volume you just >heard it at when you played it...) But no, the volume >is generally lower upon playback, sometimes way lower. > The volume of the "instrument I'm playing right now" >is adjusted with one knob, and the volume of the loop >is set by another... > >Okay, case in point: the unit has some fun >pre-recorded loops set by the factory (some heavy >metal licks and some funk riffs). I can play along >with these and hear myself fine while playing, but if >I try to overdub onto one of these tracks and add >something of my own to it, I cannot hear (or can >barely hear) my overdubbed playing in the mix. What's >going on here? And how do I adjust the mix? > >(Presumably the pre-recorded tracks were recorded at >some amazingly high volume, but...if I can hear my >guitar while I'm playing, I ought to be able to hear >it once recorded...) > >Thanks, >Scott > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 11:38:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LFaqW00762; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:36:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:36:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021153601.97796.qmail@web54605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.C. Skwayrd" Subject: RE: Matching overdub volumes on RC-20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Peirs & Phil, Thanks for your messages, but I don't they quite answer my problem. The problem is not the volume of the OVERALL loop (which is controlled by the left knob) relative to the volume of the "live"/"currently being played" instrument (controlled by the right knob). Rather I'm finding that the volume of the overdubbed part (which gets added to the loop, and is then controlled by the left knob) is too low compared to the rest of the stuff already in the loop (also controlled by the left knob...?). Seems like there should be another knob! Again, the loop-compared-to-live-instrument mix is GREAT while I'm playing, and I get it that way by adjusting the various "level" and "input" knobs. What's NOT great is the volume at which my new overdubbed part gets saved in the loop. Thanks for answering though. Maybe I totally missed your points. If so, please tell me. I'm very new at this. -Scott _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 11:42:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LFeTu01381; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:40:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:40:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <61A58610-2377-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: Tip on unortodox playing for looping (was: Psychedelic Jew's Harp) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:39:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just a reflection on this instrument: I recently bought a Jew's Harp and found out that you can also play it while "beatboxing" by using your tongue to "spit" or "suck" "air shots" into they the harp (while it's vibrating the usual way). I also tried the reed player trick to "groaw" the sound by singing and it kind of works with a jew's harp (but not in the same way as bamboo reed instruments). If you have a jew's harp around, try to keep the basic rhythm with your right hand, striking it on 8th notes, and then add syncoped "drum solos" by tongue shots. This is very inspiring for looping! Myself I have to practice it a little more before incorporating it in my live looping. Just my 2 cents.... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 11:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LFeO101362; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:40:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:40:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <3F0E763C-2377-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:38:25 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9LFcVa00923 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 21, 2004, at 16:10, Krispen Hartung wrote: > After a while we become cover musicians of our own clichés and > performance styles. That were the point where I stopped playing for one year, and started learning a different instrument. Highly recommended ;-) > Sure, we learn new gimmicks, tricks, and clichés, > but I find that actual significant leaps in personal musical growth are > difficult after playing for 25 years. I'm 48 and every day I'm learning more about music than I learned about playing instruments in the twenty-something years before yesterday ;-) I think too much focus on "playing your instrument" can harm your natural ability to "make music". > One of my guitar mentors once said in a video if you can just spend 10 > minutes a day learning something new on your instrument, whether it is > a > new chord, scale, or improvisational technique, you can improve > tremendously over time. That's only true to 50 percent because when you have learned everything you also have to learn how to forget about it. And THEN you may experience that "significant leaps in personal musical growth". This has been said over and over by many top musicians - I think Miles Davis is still the most frequently quoted guru on the topic? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 11:43:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LFfoY01577; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:41:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:41:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <726944D8-2377-11D9-A2A8-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Pedal Options Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:39:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:54:56 -0600 >From: "Krispen Hartung" >To: >Subject: RE: Pedal Options >However, for preventative maintenance, does anyone know where we can >purchase replacement buttons online for the EDP controller? I wouldn't >mind having a few of these on hand. My ADA MC-1 MIDI controller uses >the same buttons. From the EDP footcontroller tutorial: Replacing Footswitches Sometimes the footswitches break on the EFC-7. Fortunately they are inexpensive and easy to replace. Here is the ordering information: The footswitch part# is: 10PA005 at http://www.mouser.com or 106112 at http://www.jameco.com the switch is made by a company called Mountain Switch, and their part# is DS412R. They are simple to replace with minimal soldering. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 11:59:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LFwZB04296; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:58:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:58:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4177DB99.9090901@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:54:01 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #394 & #395 for October 7 & 14, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/041007.html http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/041014.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #394 October 7, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on E-dition Magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the sampler CD included with E-dition issue #1. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Cyclone" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. E-dition Magazine - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#oct PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Madrigal Meridian * Cyclone (Virgin) Paul Nagle XYZZY Red Book/Blue Book (Neu Harmony) Galactic Anthems Madness Abstract Circuitry (none) John Lakveet Andare (walk) Building Sequential Stones V1 (Groove) S. Baltes, H. 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Show #395 October 14, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on E-dition Magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the sampler CD included with E-dition issue #2. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Heartbreakers" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. E-dition Magazine - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#oct PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Gemini Heartbreakers (Virgin) Dave Brewer Streets of Light Harmonic Resonance (none) Ozone Player Edgewood Frozen Paint On Boiling Canvas pre-release cdr (Visual Power) Mutation Vector Procession Kill It Before It Multiplies (none) TouchXTone City Machination Java X Monkey (none) Una Voce Hall of Two Sisters Butterfly Phantasmagoria (none) 12:00 am VA [Laurel] DR 01 E-dition Issue #2 VA [G. Emmens, R. Heij] Return to the Origin E-dition Issue #2 VA [Living Dreamtime] Dancing Water Angels E-dition Issue #2 VA [Synergy] Cybersports E-dition Issue #2 VA [Bionight] Daybreak E-dition Issue #2 VA [Johannes Munz] Pastiche E-dition Issue #2 VA [Numina] The Sea Beyond E-dition Issue #2 VA [Remotion] (unnamed track) E-dition Issue #2 VA [Tangerine Dream] Dolphin Dance E-dition Issue #2 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on E-dition magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the sampler CD from E-dition #3. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "The Pavilion of Dreams" by Harold Budd on Editions EG Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 12:32:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LGV1b07899; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:31:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:31:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:27:14 +0200 Subject: Re: TC FireworX /G-force From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3181228034_198721_MIME_Part" X-ID: V8exeUZGreXOYMyXBbQpXBh8gDoOJC0SxcITTCLlSr9V4tnAjJ4n0w X-TOI-MSGID: a8b4c47d-221e-4439-a8b9-33b8b49fe7a4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3181228034_198721_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, my 2c: after years of being a happy t.c. G-force user I had to get rid of mine because. It's a great sounding and very reliable unit but the original (guitar) signal at all times undergoes an analog-to-digital-backto-analog conversion, even if you are just dialing in a little bit of reverb and/or delay (= effects that can be run in parallel). I am 100% back to stomp boxes/line mixers now with the EDP being my only rackunit left, which is a drag in a way, but it does sound (and, ahem feel) better. Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3181228034_198721_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: TC FireworX /G-force Hi,
my 2c: after years of being a happy t.c. G-force user I had to get rid of m= ine because. It's a great sounding and very reliable unit but the original (= guitar) signal at all times undergoes an analog-to-digital-backto-ana= log conversion, even if you are just dialing in a little bit of reverb and/o= r delay (=3D effects that can be run in parallel). I am 100% back to stomp box= es/line mixers now with the EDP being my only rackunit left, which is a drag= in a way, but it does sound (and, ahem feel) better.

Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3181228034_198721_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 13:37:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LHZpr16306; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:35:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:35:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [216.174.125.108] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line mixers for looping Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:33:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2004 17:34:05.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[29EC6EA0:01C4B794] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone checked out this new behringer/eurorack RX1602 http://www.behringer.com/RX1602/index.cfm?lang=ENG If it sounds as good as the rane 26, I might want to grab one Cheers LOU >From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: LD to post >Subject: Re: TC FireworX /G-force >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:27:14 +0200 > >Hi, >my 2c: after years of being a happy t.c. G-force user I had to get rid of >mine because. It's a great sounding and very reliable unit but the original >(guitar) signal at all times undergoes an analog-to-digital-backto-analog >conversion, even if you are just dialing in a little bit of reverb and/or >delay (= effects that can be run in parallel). I am 100% back to stomp >boxes/line mixers now with the EDP being my only rackunit left, which is a >drag in a way, but it does sound (and, ahem feel) better. > >Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 14:37:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LIYgw27157; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:34:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:34:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021183325.46634.qmail@web41108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > very nice Bernhard ... the bassline is simple and > great ... reminded me of > Peter Gabriel, I could easily imagine him singing > over it ... :-) Actually, it reminded me of David Torn, The guy who got me into looping. I like the way the ping pong delay sounded like a beat. That G2 is a pretty awesome machine. My guess is you have it set up so the EDP is first, followed by the G2, so you could "play" the effects while the loop ran. I also heard an effect that sounds just like an intro to a 311 song. Anyway, good stuff. Bri _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 15:11:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LJ90d30904; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:09:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 6a42ac44746acf523a583427923eb320 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002501c4b777$b6c45d50$6501a8c0@khartung> References: <002501c4b777$b6c45d50$6501a8c0@khartung> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:27:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_YldSC.A.PgH.fkAeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Matthias: "while the learning really comes from playing, and for this, I >contribute with instruments and music :-)" > >Isn't this the truth! If I could only execute half the theoretical music >and jazz theory academia in my brain, I'd be.....eh, well, a player who >thinks too much and plays too many notes in performances? ;) I was talking in a more general sense (remember the little cats?) as oposed to studying/thinking. and playing with tools is also playing. I dont think inspiration that comes through a strange sound through some machine is inferior. Why would acoustic be better? But yes, I think its a great experience to work only with body sounds. You have them everywere ready. and they are full of expression because everybody knows them from their daily live for thousands of years... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 15:11:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LJ90630902; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:09:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:09:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 97d803e78d09663c71d61be58d7c4278 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200410131436.i9DEaJq16502@hemlock.violacea.com> <41DC032F-1D27-11D9-9813-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> <614A583E-1D3A-11D9-BF0E-000A95E7189E@newmillguitar.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:54:52 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Looping with other musicians Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>> That's my main area of inquiry into the whole looping thing. >>>What is we're looking for as looping artists? I've used terms >>>like masturbation and self aggrandizing and lumping myself into >>>those descriptions when I consider looping but I am an adult and >>>use language that may be a bit unnerving to those who are >>>following some kind of holy writ of looping that may unconsciously >>>exist. >> >>big question, really. masturbation is a good thing. aggrandizing >>and lumping also meet strong parts of the experience. Instant >>(soul/mood) mirror is still the strongest and most holy for me. > >Holy, boy I use language that I now don't care for. Nothing is holy >in my mind. When people deem something holy it becomes fixed and >cannot be changed. That is what really bothers me about loops. >This is my job, to make a loop and change it into something that was >unaccounted for. Found art. I dont usually use the german "heilig" but "sagrado" is very comon in portugues and does not freeze, just value, respect. Its for things we consider stronger than us, impossible to understand. When the improv really works, they say "a saint has come". Once you get rid of the catholic trauma its a nice way to percieve things that cannot be named exactly... >Composition is codified improvisation. The moment carved into a >sculpture of time. for me its like the documentation of a improvisation. With some luck, the same saint comes again when you interprete it :-) >Manuals aside, thanks for the great unit! I'll get what I want out >of it sooner or later. > >5 years ago I had two Jammans and had different ideas about what a >loop was. It was easy and required not too much though just a foot >and some hands, not much brain. Now, with the EDP, my brain hurts >because of the options and my differing thoughts about the loop. thats really not what its suposed to do. I personally only use Rec, Ovd, Mult, Undo, sometimes UnroundMult... and always FeedBack! The rest I only grab theoretically, mainly due to my tiny memory for music, but also because I dont like sudden changes... so I just leave it for the others... Did you study all possible chords on the guitar before you started playing it? I recommend people to learn to like the sound of 3 notes first and grow from there... but I am not a guitar teacher. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 15:11:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LJ8vE30900; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:08:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:08:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 6f7ac115cb449b2c2babd396eb27a4ae Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <61A58610-2377-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <61A58610-2377-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:07:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Fwd: Tip on unortodox playing for looping (was: Psychedelic Jew's Harp) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I also bought some. There are fine cheap ones from Vietnam, which you can make sound as long as your breath is: https://www.ssl-id.de/khomus.de/moiform.htm and there is creative guy in Hungria or what, with a brilliant site: http://www.szilagyi-jewsharp.com/ I asked him why he does not make them tunable and it seamed he had never thought about it. Should not be too dificult to either move a weight on the tonge or move the tonge to change its size... and it would be a boost... :-) >Just a reflection on this instrument: I recently bought a Jew's >Harp and found out that you can also play it while "beatboxing" by >using your tongue to "spit" or "suck" "air shots" into they the harp >(while it's vibrating the usual way). I also tried the reed player >trick to "groaw" the sound by singing and it kind of works with a >jew's harp (but not in the same way as bamboo reed instruments). > >If you have a jew's harp around, try to keep the basic rhythm with >your right hand, striking it on 8th notes, and then add syncoped >"drum solos" by tongue shots. This is very inspiring for looping! >Myself I have to practice it a little more before incorporating it >in my live looping. Just my 2 cents.... ;-) > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >--- >http://www.looproom.com (international) >http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) I -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 15:37:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LJYuZ02653; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:34:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:34:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021193302.99760.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: line mixers for looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9nPlQB.A.Qk.z7AeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Lou Yes i have one, its nice and quiet and not bad for the price! luis --- Louis Rossi wrote: > > Has anyone checked out this new behringer/eurorack > RX1602 > > http://www.behringer.com/RX1602/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > If it sounds as good as the rane 26, I might want to > grab one > > Cheers > LOU > > >From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: LD to post > > >Subject: Re: TC FireworX /G-force > >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:27:14 +0200 > > > >Hi, > >my 2c: after years of being a happy t.c. G-force > user I had to get rid of > >mine because. It's a great sounding and very > reliable unit but the original > >(guitar) signal at all times undergoes an > analog-to-digital-backto-analog > >conversion, even if you are just dialing in a > little bit of reverb and/or > >delay (= effects that can be run in parallel). I am > 100% back to stomp > >boxes/line mixers now with the EDP being my only > rackunit left, which is a > >drag in a way, but it does sound (and, ahem feel) > better. > > > >Andreas > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 15:45:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LJgUG04006; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:42:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021194108.3763.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Talk boxes etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <61A58610-2377-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <47aQv.A.16.aDBeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Talking about breathing instruments, is anybody using talk boxes in their loop shows? i just recently got one(the s.talker) although i am still having a bit of problems with feedback.I would like to know how David Gilmour got those wicked talk box sounds on the Animals album sounds like a combination of wah wah and talk box together... Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Just a reflection on this instrument: I recently > bought a Jew's Harp > and found out that you can also play it while > "beatboxing" by using > your tongue to "spit" or "suck" "air shots" into > they the harp (while > it's vibrating the usual way). I also tried the reed > player trick to > "groaw" the sound by singing and it kind of works > with a jew's harp > (but not in the same way as bamboo reed > instruments). > > If you have a jew's harp around, try to keep the > basic rhythm with your > right hand, striking it on 8th notes, and then add > syncoped "drum > solos" by tongue shots. This is very inspiring for > looping! Myself I > have to practice it a little more before > incorporating it in my live > looping. Just my 2 cents.... ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 15:54:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LJpWP05283; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:51:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:51:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021194940.54816.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:49:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3F0E763C-2377-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Try playing the guitar in a different tuning and you are born again guitarrist! but yes, learning a different instrument helps you play differently.I am recently trying to play guaguancos rhythms on the congas while tapping the rumba clave with a cowbell pedal...i guarantee you it will surely give you a split headache! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 21, 2004, at 16:10, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > After a while we become cover musicians of our > own clichés and > > performance styles. > > That were the point where I stopped playing for one > year, and started > learning a different instrument. Highly recommended > ;-) > > > Sure, we learn new gimmicks, tricks, and clichés, > > but I find that actual significant leaps in > personal musical growth are > > difficult after playing for 25 years. > > I'm 48 and every day I'm learning more about music > than I learned about > playing instruments in the twenty-something years > before yesterday ;-) > I think too much focus on "playing your > instrument" can harm your > natural ability to "make music". > > > One of my guitar mentors once said in a video if > you can just spend 10 > > minutes a day learning something new on your > instrument, whether it is > > a > > new chord, scale, or improvisational technique, > you can improve > > tremendously over time. > > That's only true to 50 percent because when you have > learned everything > you also have to learn how to forget about it. And > THEN you may > experience that "significant leaps in personal > musical growth". This > has been said over and over by many top musicians - > I think Miles Davis > is still the most frequently quoted guru on the > topic? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 16:07:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LK5Ip07395; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:05:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:05:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1CKjA613xY-0007sw@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: line mixers for looping Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:03:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041021193302.99760.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcS3pQx5c24fYefeSdqEkS33rPEnbgAA9MFg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I was thinking about one too- I am using a Mackie 1202vlz now, but I may just leave that for the studio, and get the Behringer...I know it probably isn't as quiet, but that might not matter for live use. Ever compare the 2? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hi Lou > Yes i have one, its nice and quiet and not bad for the price! > luis > --- Louis Rossi wrote: > > > > > Has anyone checked out this new behringer/eurorack > > RX1602 > > > > http://www.behringer.com/RX1602/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > > > If it sounds as good as the rane 26, I might want to grab one > > > > Cheers > > LOU > > > > >From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: LD to post > > > > >Subject: Re: TC FireworX /G-force > > >Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:27:14 +0200 > > > > > >Hi, > > >my 2c: after years of being a happy t.c. G-force > > user I had to get rid of > > >mine because. It's a great sounding and very > > reliable unit but the original > > >(guitar) signal at all times undergoes an > > analog-to-digital-backto-analog > > >conversion, even if you are just dialing in a > > little bit of reverb and/or > > >delay (= effects that can be run in parallel). I am > > 100% back to stomp > > >boxes/line mixers now with the EDP being my only > > rackunit left, which is a > > >drag in a way, but it does sound (and, ahem feel) > > better. > > > > > >Andreas > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 16:14:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LKCoB08649; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:12:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:12:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <417817D2.1000306@biink.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:10:58 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc References: <20041021194940.54816.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041021194940.54816.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7IyXGC.A.ODC.XfBeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com L. Angulo wrote: >Try playing the guitar in a different tuning and you >are born again guitarrist! > Works for me. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 16:16:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LKDR508873; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:13:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:13:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HuxKQi34E5CFTgYBjAtbJbIKH1lZ2g2n82L8tY58PE/dFken/hoscyhlNacsMDN3nVu44JmoiHtKyyxyISDdhCf2VhHPtH3Vfl2qft14LENSdgtfhRjiKdheWVcNXluJsz4+RGaVCP7eJDQiHjiSsZcgzTeQuJhjbDc3hfmbfpA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:11:04 -0700 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line mixers for looping In-Reply-To: <0MKz5u-1CKjA613xY-0007sw@mrelay.perfora.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041021193302.99760.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> <0MKz5u-1CKjA613xY-0007sw@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've got a 1404 and the behringer rack mount. The behringer is plenty quiet. I use it as the summing bus for my looping rig - noise is not a problem. One thing to keep in mind is that it is not, strictly speaking, a sixteen channel mixer - it's an 8 stereo channel mixer. bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LKbte11831; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:37:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:37:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:36:22 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: line mixers for looping In-reply-to: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <41781DC6.9090001@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20041021193302.99760.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> <0MKz5u-1CKjA613xY-0007sw@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >One thing to keep in mind is that it is not, strictly speaking, a >sixteen channel mixer - it's an 8 stereo channel mixer. > > > I've got an older Rolls, which looks like it has now been replaced by the RM203x. It has 9 stereo channels, plus an extra "tape input" that can be used as a 10th channel, plus a single XLR mic input. It also has a mono-send-stereo-return effects bus which if you don't want to use can function as an 11th stereo input. (It goes to 11!) I don't have the XLR on mine, but I would guess it isn't going to compare to a Mackie. I also have a Mackie 1202 and the Rolls seems comparably quiet but maybe with a bit less dynamic range. You can get one at zzounds for $209 ($100 more than the Behringer). Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 17:06:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LL4N415539; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:04:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:04:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:03:01 EDT Subject: Re: CD kicking off crossover collaboration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.435b2244.2ea97e05_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_f7.435b2244.2ea97e05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per (and everybody else), In a message dated 10/21/04 1:13:29 PM, per@boysen.se writes: > The=A0 "looping music vs spoken word" album is finally up at > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >=20 I've been meaning to write to you (and the LD list) to say that=20 I got a copy of this CD that you sent me just yesterday. I've=20 listened to it a couple of times now and it's a damn fine disk.=20 Let me tell you, at first a CD of a collaborative work between=20 a "corporate motivational and/or educational seminar speaker"=20 and an "avant" leaning looping musician seems a really odd paring.=20 With anyone else it could've been total snores-ville. However, this projects works on so many unexpected (and=20 often contradictory) levels that I am at first astonished=20 that the CD exists at all . . . and then that it hasn't=20 existed much sooner than this. It's perfect!=20 It works as a piece of artful, comedic irony and as thought=20 provoking social/corporate statement/commentary all at=20 once and the same time. PLUS it works as music too. It's a=20 damn entertaining listening experience if you ask me.=20 The next time I have a 9-to-5 "day job" in the corporate=20 world I'm going to request that they hire you guys to give=20 us our "briefing" on company 401k retirement plan and=20 health benefits! Heheh. I think I might even stay awake for it then. The other disk you sent, the Per2Per "Water Album" is great=20 too BTW. But you pairing with the speaker is the stuff of genius. Its so good I may buy another copy to send to a friend. I am having a hard time getting the collaborative project out of=20 my mind while listening to this other disk unfortunately. I think I'll have to wait a while before I listen to the "Water=20 Album" again so I can consider it on it's own merit. Good work! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_f7.435b2244.2ea97e05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per (and everybody else),

In a message dated 10/21/04 1:13:29 PM, per@boysen.se writes:

The=A0 "looping music= vs spoken word" album is finally up at
http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen

I've been meaning to write to you (and the LD list) to say that
I got a copy of this CD that you sent me just yesterday. I've
listened to it a couple of times now and it's
a damn fine disk.=

Let me tell you, at first a CD of a collaborative work between
a "corporate motivational and/or educational seminar speaker"
and an "avant" leaning looping musician seems
a really odd paring.
With anyone else it could've been total snores-ville.

However, this projects works on so many unexpected (and
often contradictory) levels that I am at first astonished
that the CD exists at all . . . and then that it hasn't
existed much sooner than this.
It's perfect!

It works as a piece of artful, comedic irony and as thought
provoking social/corporate statement/commentary all at
once and the same time. PLUS it works as music too. It's a
damn entertaining listening experience if you ask me.

The next time I have a 9-to-5 "day job" in the corporate
world I'm going to request that they hire you guys to give
us our "briefing" on company 401k retirement plan and
health benefits! Heheh. I think I might even stay awake
for it then.

The other disk you sent, the Per2Per "Water Album" is great
too BTW. But you pairing with the speaker is the stuff of genius.
Its so good I may buy another copy to send to a friend. I am
having a hard time getting the collaborative project out of
my mind while listening to this other disk unfortunately.

I think I'll have to wait a while before I listen to the
"Water
Album"
again so I can consider it on it's own merit.

Good work!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn









http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas.
--part1_f7.435b2244.2ea97e05_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 17:32:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LLUC020311; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:30:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <41782A11.000034.01308@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:28:49 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_1CEYNM13LVC000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, delighted.looper@gmail.com Subject: Re: line mixers for looping X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_1CEYNM13LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using behringer compressors and small audio borads for 5ish years. They have very clean signal and tend to be a very good value for t= he price. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D SE Help=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/sfelberg/web/system8/Start.smi =0D First Eval' Help.....Click Below =0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/helix_eval/index.smil =0D =0D Real Producer Tutorial=0D http://wwwhost.rbn.com/rninfo/rninfo/web/RealProdTutorial/open/open.smil = =0D =0D Encoding Specs (dynamic tool)=0D http://docs.real.com/docs/kbresources/EncodingFormulas.xls=0D Free Player URL=0D http://www.realnetworks.com/info/freeplayer/=0D Enterprise Player Guide =0D http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/rdm/rdmguide.= htm=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: biz=0D Date: 10/21/04 13:11:49=0D To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: line mixers for looping=0D =0D I've got a 1404 and the behringer rack mount. The behringer is plenty=0D quiet. I use it as the summing bus for my looping rig - noise is not a=0D problem.=0D =0D One thing to keep in mind is that it is not, strictly speaking, a=0D sixteen channel mixer - it's an 8 stereo channel mixer.=0D =0D bIz=0D =0D =0D -------------------------------------------------------=0D "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." -=0D Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half=0D thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist.=0D =0D Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com=0D Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next=0D cd release - for free!=0D -------------------------------------------------------=0D =0D
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From: biz
Date: 10/21/04 13:= 11:49
Subject: Re: line = mixers for looping
 
I've got a 1404 and the behringer rack mount. The behringer is plent= y
quiet. I use it as the summing bus for my looping rig - noise is not= a
problem.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that it is not, strictly speaking, a
sixteen channel mixer - it's an 8 stereo channel mixer.
 
bIz
 
 
-------------------------------------------------------
"Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." -<= /DIV>
Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half
thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist.
 
Check out our website - htt= p://www.groovetronica.com
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Do you want to be 0ff? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 18:01:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LLxRC24064; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:59:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:59:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5B9D1414-23AC-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Question on "cell phone ringtones" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:58:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Since a lot of you guys have stuff up at CD Baby I would like to ask you about this bizarre offer I just received. Within minutes of my CD going up at CD Baby a mail arrived from a company that want to use music as ringtones! Is that "normal"? Did you also get those kind of "offers"? I can't help getting suspicious with some one using the word "cel phone" ;-) quoting: "we sell ringtones and wallpaper to cel phones. I would like to speak to you about using your material for ringtones. I think rigntones fit the loop/spoken word style very well." Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 18:09:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LM6YI25835; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:06:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:06:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4178328E.00003C.01308@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:05:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_E0GYJZY3LVC000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <5B9D1414-23AC-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question on "cell phone ringtones" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <7MNgID.A.kKG.LKDeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --------------Boundary-00=_E0GYJZY3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dude, that was me. =0D i do product dev for a new mobile content company. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 10/21/04 14:59:19=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Question on "cell phone ringtones"=0D =0D Hi,=0D =0D Since a lot of you guys have stuff up at CD Baby I would like to ask=0D you about this bizarre offer I just received. Within minutes of my CD=0D going up at CD Baby a mail arrived from a company that want to use=0D music as ringtones! Is that "normal"? Did you also get those kind of=0D "offers"? I can't help getting suspicious with some one using the word=0D "cel phone" ;-)=0D =0D quoting:=0D =0D "we sell ringtones and wallpaper to cel phones. I=0D would like to speak to you about using your material for ringtones. I=0D think rigntones fit the loop/spoken word style very well."=0D =0D Greetings from Sweden=0D =0D Per Boysen=0D ---=0D http://www.looproom.com (international)=0D http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site)=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_E0GYJZY3LVC000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
dude, that was me.  
i do product dev for a new mobile content company.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Date: 10/21/04 14:= 59:19
Subject: Question = on "cell phone ringtones"
 
Hi,
 
Since a lot of you guys have stuff up at CD Baby I would like to ask=
you about this bizarre offer I just received. Within minutes of my C= D
going up at CD Baby a mail arrived from a company that want to use
music as ringtones! Is that "normal"? Did you also get those kind of=
"offers"? I can't help getting suspicious with some one using the wo= rd
"cel phone" ;-)
 
quoting:
 
"we sell ringtones and wallpaper to cel phones. I
would like to speak to you about using your material for ringtones. = I
think rigntones fit the loop/spoken word style very well."
 
Greetings from Sweden
 
Per Boysen
---
http://www.looproom.com (int= ernational)
http://www.boysen.se (Swedish s= ite)
 
--------------Boundary-00=_E0GYJZY3LVC000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 18:10:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LM7pk26240; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:07:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:07:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021220623.88685.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: CD kicking off crossover collaboration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8FE0D268-239D-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com very cool stuff Per reminds me of John Hassel! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi friends, > > The "looping music vs spoken word" album is finally > up at > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > It's a one hundred percent indie release, not having > a shit to do with > the traditional record industry. My license partner > is in fact an > educational company. The collaboration is based on > the fact that > organisational leadership, the subject they study > and teach, and > musical improvisation share the same insecure and > constantly changing > ground - both in philosophy and praxis. The company > achieves a cool > branding and I get my music out without > compromising. I'm very happy > for this collaboration to finally take off. We had > 500 pre orders, > thanks to their corporate network :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 18:10:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LM7b325961; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:07:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:07:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5B9D1414-23AC-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <5B9D1414-23AC-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C9EA39A-23AD-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question on "cell phone ringtones" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:05:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > "we sell ringtones and wallpaper to cel phones. I'd love to see a cel phone by ringtones and wallpapers, BTW ;-) / per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 18:24:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LMLsP29907; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:21:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:21:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: CD kicking off crossover collaboration Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:21:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <8FE0D268-239D-11D9-93C6-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Thread-Index: AcS3qtDhQmxWUOGDT0q82QSNYXADPwAEVG1A Message-Id: <20041021222114.CLVA9689.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Great work, Per! It underlines the comedy AND the seriousness of it all, depending on where one is at the moment. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD kicking off crossover collaboration Hi friends, The "looping music vs spoken word" album is finally up at http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen It's a one hundred percent indie release, not having a shit to do with the traditional record industry. My license partner is in fact an educational company. The collaboration is based on the fact that organisational leadership, the subject they study and teach, and musical improvisation share the same insecure and constantly changing ground - both in philosophy and praxis. The company achieves a cool branding and I get my music out without compromising. I'm very happy for this collaboration to finally take off. We had 500 pre orders, thanks to their corporate network :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 18:36:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LMXZB32268; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:33:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:33:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041021223258.71556.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002501c4b777$b6c45d50$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Krisper read this comments from David Crosby on music education,when i listen to pieces like "Guinnevere" or Deja-vu is hard to believe that David wasn´t schooled at all.This pieces are so harmonically complex they can teach a lesson to any highly educated composer.I still get chills when i listen to them... Luis http://www.acousticguitar.com/issues/ag87/CoverStory.shtml --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Matthias: "while the learning really comes from > playing, and for this, I > contribute with instruments and music :-)" > > Isn't this the truth! If I could only execute half > the theoretical music > and jazz theory academia in my brain, I'd be.....eh, > well, a player who > thinks too much and plays too many notes in > performances? ;) > > Seriously, however, I am a huge proponent of > learning in music and > applying in performance. I think many musicians, > including myself, after > years of growing on our instruments begin to rest on > our laurels and > don't push ourselves anymore. I can hear it in the > playing of myself and > others. After a while we become cover musicians of > our own clichés and > performance styles. Sure, we learn new gimmicks, > tricks, and clichés, > but I find that actual significant leaps in personal > musical growth are > difficult after playing for 25 years. It is easy to > use gear (looping > included) to hide behind this fact, but if we remove > all the loops, > gear, effects, and alterations, and then gaze upon > the naked notes and > raw playing, what is the net gain? If we remove the > approving "ooohs > and awwws" of what we've done with our technical > savvy, what have we > accomplished artistically? (these are rhetorical > questions, by the way) > > My last big spurt was when I joined a World-Beat > band, in which I also > learned the sitar. I pushed myself to learn new > harmonic textures > (Eastern, Middle-Eastern, etc) and rhythms....and > that learning has > stuck with me for the long run. And several years > before that it was > jazz, the biggest leap in my musical vocabulary and > expansion of my > musical palette(again, that painting analogy) to > eexpressmyself. One > could ask, "who the heck cares that you can play a > melodic minor scale a > half step aabove an altered dominant chord to > generate interesting > tension and release with flat 9s, flat 5s, etc?" > Well, at the moment, > that bit of theory would seem pedantic, but after > one internalizes and > consciously "forgets" the approach during live > performances, it can > still influence your playing and musical vocabulary > to express more > effectively. It's the old saying about > theory...learn it, internalize > it, and then forget it. > > One of my guitar mentors once said in a video if you > can just spend 10 > minutes a day learning something new on your > instrument, whether it is a > new chord, scale, or improvisational technique, you > can improve > tremendously over time. It doesn't necessarily > require that Julliard > 8-hour a day routine. This is easier said than done, > of course...at the > end of the day, what I've done is tweaked more > knobs, modified more > parameters, and screwed with more MP3 files than > actually improving as a > musician. > > On accation, we should all lock ourselves in a room > for a week with > nothing but an acoustic instrument and tape recorder > and see if we come > out with something new in the end. Of course, by > that time, some smart > ass would have re-wired the tape recorder to be a > looping device! Heh > heh. > > ********************************* > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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They wanted to know if they could use one of my songs for cell phone calls that folks DON'T want to answer...you know, solicitors, ex-girlfriends, ex-wives, mother-in-laws, the IRS, the drafting office of the National Guard, the Musician's Friend bill collection agency (sorry Ted, no offense), etc. So one of my 12 minute songs filled with many overtones and disturbing weirdness was a perfect fit! ...just kidding. :) Sounds like a fun or interesting opportunity for you. Kris ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com http://artist.amazon.com/krispenhartung http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/krispen -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 3:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Question on "cell phone ringtones" Hi, Since a lot of you guys have stuff up at CD Baby I would like to ask you about this bizarre offer I just received. Within minutes of my CD going up at CD Baby a mail arrived from a company that want to use music as ringtones! Is that "normal"? Did you also get those kind of "offers"? I can't help getting suspicious with some one using the word "cel phone" ;-) quoting: "we sell ringtones and wallpaper to cel phones. I would like to speak to you about using your material for ringtones. I think rigntones fit the loop/spoken word style very well." Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 19:24:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9LNN2R06369; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Hey you studio recording people Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:22:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <005001c4b7c1$5ee19630$6501a8c0@khartung> Thread-Index: AcS3wcVN303f8eOhQWKNs1DM2fiY9gAAuk4g Message-ID: <1098401060.26115@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8zt9z.A.liB.qSEeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey you home recording people. Have you had good experiences with Auralex acoustic foam products? I saw some on this site and thought the prices might warrant it: http://url123.com/xhby9 and I thought it might be a good investment for my home studio. Is there a comparable kind of stuff that is cheaper? Or is Auralex pretty much the main thing out there? Thanks, DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 20:19:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M0GhQ12127; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:16:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:16:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7d.5b2d3886.2ea9ab44@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:16:04 EDT Subject: Re: Question on "cell phone ringtones" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7d.5b2d3886.2ea9ab44_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_7d.5b2d3886.2ea9ab44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, In a message dated 10/21/04 2:58:55 PM, per@boysen.se writes: > Since a lot of you guys have stuff up at CD Baby I would like to ask > you about this bizarre offer I just received. Within minutes of my CD > going up at CD Baby a mail arrived from a company that want to use > music as ringtones! Is that "normal"? Did you also get those kind of > "offers"? >=20 Nope. I sure long for the days when SPAM was just "mystery meat" that came in a small blue can.=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_7d.5b2d3886.2ea9ab44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per,

In a message dated 10/21/04 2:58:55 PM, per@boysen.se writes:

Since a lot of you gu= ys have stuff up at CD Baby I would like to ask
you about this bizarre offer I just received. Within minutes of my CD
going up at CD Baby a mail arrived from a company that want to use
music as ringtones! Is that "normal"? Did you also get those kind of
"offers"?

Nope. I sure long for the days when SPAM was just "mystery meat"
that came in a small blue can.


Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas.
--part1_7d.5b2d3886.2ea9ab44_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 21:12:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M1Aiv16657; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:10:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:10:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:09:54 -0400 From: dk@zenkick.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line mixers for looping Message-ID: <20041022010954.GJ11145@text.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Resent-Message-ID: <_3vOX.A.4CE.o3FeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Louis Rossi said... > Has anyone checked out this new behringer/eurorack RX1602 > > http://www.behringer.com/RX1602/index.cfm?lang=ENG This is a decent 8 channel mixer. If you can find one, I'd suggest the Roland M120 line mixer. They end up on ebay now and then. I have 5 of them. Great utilitarian units, especially for looping and summing in condensed space. -dk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 21:53:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M1q4J21224; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:52:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:52:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022015121.65184.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.C. Skwayrd" Subject: Review of Boss RC-20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, I've written a review of my new RC-20XL Phrase Recorder. I've posted the review here: http://www.scotthawley.com/rc20xlreview.html Feel free to look at it for your own sake, and also I invite your comments, because I think there are some things I'm frustrated about, maybe just due to my lack of experience. Moderator: Could you please WAIT and not post this under the official Loopers Delight reviews just yet, because I'd like to continue to modify it? Thanks. This URL above is NOT yet linked from any web pages (even my own), because I'd like to have the opportunity to correct it before lots of other people see it... Cheers, Scott _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 21:55:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M1rbA21506; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:53:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:53:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: TC FireworX /G-force Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:52:34 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4B79F.208D49F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3ruMS.A.jMF.ifGeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4B79F.208D49F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: TC FireworX /G-forceI understand how you feel, as I sold my pod a few months back and went back to using a groove tubes trio and voodlabs cabtone. I no longer get the 31 amp flavors but I do get better sound and feel. The problem is taking this stuff on the road, as it is heavy, and full of tubes. so I'm considering something simple like a sansamp stompbox that is analog, and helps to warm a direct sound up a bit. I recall hughes and ketner made something with a preamp tube that was similar. Have you had any experience with these, and if so, do they make a simple one that does a decent clean fender sound? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:27 AM To: LD to post Subject: Re: TC FireworX /G-force Hi, my 2c: after years of being a happy t.c. G-force user I had to get rid of mine because. It's a great sounding and very reliable unit but the original (guitar) signal at all times undergoes an analog-to-digital-backto-analog conversion, even if you are just dialing in a little bit of reverb and/or delay (= effects that can be run in parallel). I am 100% back to stomp boxes/line mixers now with the EDP being my only rackunit left, which is a drag in a way, but it does sound (and, ahem feel) better. Andreas ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4B79F.208D49F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: TC FireworX /G-force
I=20 understand how you feel, as I sold my pod a few months back and went = back to=20 using a groove tubes trio and voodlabs cabtone. I no longer get the 31 = amp=20 flavors but I do get better sound and feel. The problem is taking this = stuff on=20 the road, as it is heavy, and full of tubes. so I'm considering = something=20 simple like a sansamp  stompbox that is analog, and helps to = warm a=20 direct sound up a bit. I recall hughes and ketner made something with a = preamp=20 tube that was similar. Have you had any experience with these, and if = so, do=20 they make a simple one that does a decent clean fender=20 sound?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Willers=20 [mailto:A.Willers@t-online.de]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, = 2004 9:27=20 AM
To: LD to post
Subject: Re: TC FireworX=20 /G-force

Hi,
my 2c: after years of being a = happy t.c.=20 G-force user I had to get rid of mine because. It's a great sounding = and very=20 reliable unit but the original (guitar) signal at all times = undergoes=20 an analog-to-digital-backto-analog conversion, even if you are just = dialing in=20 a little bit of reverb and/or delay (=3D effects that can be run in = parallel). I=20 am 100% back to stomp boxes/line mixers now with the EDP being my only = rackunit left, which is a drag in a way, but it does sound = (and, ahem=20 feel) better.

Andreas
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C4B79F.208D49F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 22:59:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M2v1Z28013; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <148.368e7e43.2ea9d0b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:55:48 EDT Subject: Re: Matching overdub volumes on RC-20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5fXAEB.A.D0G.3aHeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/21/04 8:36:35 AM, mcskwayrd@yahoo.com writes: << Rather I'm finding that the volume of the overdubbed part (which gets added to the loop, and is then controlled by the left knob) is too low compared to the rest of the stuff already in the loop >> Hi Did I miss a description of your signal chain? Are you running the guitar straight into the RC20 or routing it through a mixer first? I often found the opposite on the old RC20, the overdub would often be too loud relative to the base loop. I nearly always put a preamp before the RC20. Your amp may be reading the signal passing through but the RC20 may need a bit of help. And for the heck of it, run the cable into the mic jack and compare results. Also perhaps worth trying, if your amp has an fx send/return loop you might insert the RC20 there and check the result. Hopefully there will be a way to tell if there is some problem with that particular unit. I liked your review, very thorough and thoughtful. As mentioned on the List before, if you are working in preset measures you can establish an empty loop of the appropriate # of bars then overdub onto the empty loop, then you will be able to undo back to the empty phrase. Great point about a headphone jack! regards BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 23:02:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M30m028483; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:00:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:00:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <000401c4b7e3$9b3f69a0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: References: <20041022010954.GJ11145@text.org> Subject: Re: line mixers for looping Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:02:46 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: <2iOFl.A.J8G.AfHeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Louis Rossi said... > > > Has anyone checked out this new behringer/eurorack RX1602 > > > > http://www.behringer.com/RX1602/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > This is a decent 8 channel mixer. > > If you can find one, I'd suggest the Roland M120 line mixer. They end > up on ebay now and then. > > I have 5 of them. Great utilitarian units, especially for looping and > summing in condensed space. > > -dk A nice aspect of the M120 is that is has 2 post-fader effects sends per channel in 1 rack space. I don't think anyone would champion its S/N against a current table-top mixer, though it's not too bad. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 21 23:47:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M3jPB01419; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:45:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:45:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Yon Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: womany loopers Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:44:22 -0700 Message-Id: <20041022034422.M52258@stickist.com> In-Reply-To: <200410211508.i9LF8sF29811@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410211508.i9LF8sF29811@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.81 20021203 X-OriginatingIP: 209.89.230.72 (swirlee@www.stickist.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>I love where your spirit is going with this! You have a remarkable vision of >>different contexts in which group improvisation and looping can be used. >Yes, each women I meet wants to cure me with a different method. Heeheeheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Haha. >yes, as usual, you found the nice words Heehee. >Discipline is they way to learn from other people and the past. >Playing is the way to learn from the actual universe. Heeheeeeeeeeeeeee. (meow) >as oposed to tradition, we now emphasize the individual. But its >sound still should find harmony in the comunity, so this is part of >the exercise I hear that you don't like rigid traditions. Dogma & inflexibility really are poo.. but some traditions are wholesome (take gay sex, for example, among killer whales!). >>There is a man, David Hatfield, out of Vancouver, who hosts improvisational >>singing circles. He has developed some techniques for developing core >>musicality such as a sense of harmony and rhythm-- from within group improv. >>Google has cached a beautiful essay he wrote for the Unitarian Church. You >>might find his tips useful in facilitating your own group. > >could not find it, would be interesting, really... The link is: http://www.united-church.ca/exchange/2004/winter/2529.shtm >"break out of the production-consumption industrial model" is great, >not just for music, but is it a return to any model? The process of >individualisation cannot be reversed. In the past, the priest was the >way to God, now everyone searches his own, which I find exellent. Most excellent, yes! Most excellent. Rumi says- 1000 ways to kneel and kiss the ground. >But we need to prevent from isolation/missunderstanding. >Gathering to let our individual voices sound together does not have >the subordinating aspect it had in the past. I tried to find >colective hints like rules, but the members of our group dont accept >them and they are right. Maybe looping can be used in larger groups to allow different members to contribute to the backbone (ordered part) of music? Maybe in that way it creates the potential for more egalitarian kinds of interaction. I watched peoples faces light up when they heard their voice looped. Once again I think it comes down to whether the people with the toys are willing to share them. Fresh From the Oven, Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 00:21:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M4KQB04846; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:20:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:20:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKz5u-1CKqsv0aW4-0000Hz@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: line mixers for looping Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:18:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcS3qnbhZcC8Mxo4QBO9vlE9fTtOvQAQ4U4A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I take it with the Behringer (looking at the pic), there is no Aux Return, you have to use one of the channels for the loop return? Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > I've got a 1404 and the behringer rack mount. The behringer > is plenty quiet. I use it as the summing bus for my looping > rig - noise is not a problem. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 01:28:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M5R3912259; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:27:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:27:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: Review of Boss RC-20XL Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:25:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20041022015121.65184.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <6kGXHD.A.G_C._nJeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott, I enjoyed reading your review. I use an RC-20 and a Boomerang, sometimes both at the same time. Glad to hear the XL offers an undo feature - that sure would be a nice thing to have. Have you heard whether one can upgrade from an RC-20 to the XL model? My chief complaints about the RC-20 are: 1. Like youk, I like to loop long phrases (check out some samples on my website if you want - www.adrianwest.com). When I get to the end of the first layer of the phrase, I like to to start recording the 2nd layer immediately, without missing a beat. The RC-20 can't do that. You have to hit the left pedal once to stop recording, and hit it again to resume recording. How stupid is that? 2. The foot pedals have too much travel and require too much pressure, making it harder to simply tap in perfect rhythm. The Boomerang makers thought that out much better - their buttons are very sensitive and can be tapped seamlessly as part of a normal "tapping of the foot" movement. 3. I find the sound quality of the RC-20 to be less good than the Boomerang. But other than that I agree the RC-20 is a big bang for the buck. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: M.C. Skwayrd [mailto:mcskwayrd@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Review of Boss RC-20XL Hi, I've written a review of my new RC-20XL Phrase Recorder. I've posted the review here: http://www.scotthawley.com/rc20xlreview.html Feel free to look at it for your own sake, and also I invite your comments, because I think there are some things I'm frustrated about, maybe just due to my lack of experience. Moderator: Could you please WAIT and not post this under the official Loopers Delight reviews just yet, because I'd like to continue to modify it? Thanks. This URL above is NOT yet linked from any web pages (even my own), because I'd like to have the opportunity to correct it before lots of other people see it... Cheers, Scott _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 01:31:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M5Tnl12811; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:29:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 01:29:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Brian Hamlin" To: Subject: RE: Talk boxes etc. Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:29:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c4b7f8$1f7329f0$a6102252@ponkscap9jl6gb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20041021194108.3763.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2004 05:29:36.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E9462B0:01C4B7F8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Pretty sure that would have been the EMS vocoder (2000?) they played with all over that album. You can also spot the doggy Lord's Prayer and my favourite, the way the end of the vocal lines in Sheep morph into a synth. Very creative and not at all obvious use of vocoding. -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: 21 October 2004 20:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Talk boxes etc. Talking about breathing instruments, is anybody using talk boxes in their loop shows? i just recently got one(the s.talker) although i am still having a bit of problems with feedback.I would like to know how David Gilmour got those wicked talk box sounds on the Animals album sounds like a combination of wah wah and talk box together... Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Just a reflection on this instrument: I recently > bought a Jew's Harp > and found out that you can also play it while > "beatboxing" by using > your tongue to "spit" or "suck" "air shots" into > they the harp (while > it's vibrating the usual way). I also tried the reed > player trick to > "groaw" the sound by singing and it kind of works > with a jew's harp > (but not in the same way as bamboo reed > instruments). > > If you have a jew's harp around, try to keep the > basic rhythm with your > right hand, striking it on 8th notes, and then add > syncoped "drum > solos" by tongue shots. This is very inspiring for > looping! Myself I > have to practice it a little more before > incorporating it in my live > looping. Just my 2 cents.... ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 02:53:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M6oxQ21385; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:50:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 02:50:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022064918.42219.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:49:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.C. Skwayrd" Subject: Re: Matching overdub volumes on RC-20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Aptrev@aol.com In-Reply-To: <148.368e7e43.2ea9d0b4@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hey Bob, thanks! I'll make a note on the web page about recording enough bars of empty space before laying down your "first" loop. I've been off the Looper's Delight list for a while, so sorry for the redundancy. As for my signal path, the guitar signal just goes straight from my guitar preamp into the RC-20XL box (and nowhere else), and the output from the box goes into the input on my amp. That's all. The problem I described -- e.g. not being able to overdub things on top of the "factory preset" tracks at a non-negligible volume -- happens with either the guitar input or the mic input. In fact, I scared myself into thinking I might have fried something, because I tried turning my guitar preamp ALL THE WAY UP, and the RC-20XL's guitar input knob ALL THE WAY UP, in hopes of getting a really high volume into the overdubbed mix... I didn't get the overdubbed volume I wanted (again), but I DID get feedback out the wazoo and for several seconds it seemed like the RC20XL wouldn't respond... But then everything seemed back to normal. (...Maybe I dreamed it.) Anyway, the "hot signal in" method still didn't help. I'll try to give Roland USA a call and see if I can talk to a real live person about this. I'll let you know what I hear. Thanks, Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 05:22:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9M9Iwi01645; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:18:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:18:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <51AAC0E9-240B-11D9-BBE5-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: Review of Boss RC-20XL (+ OT Chameleon) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:18:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1UC-uB.A.IY.gBNeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Have you heard whether one can upgrade > from an RC-20 to the XL model? > No, that's not possible - well, they are not offering it as an option afaik > 2. The foot pedals have too much travel and require too much pressure, > making it harder to simply tap in perfect rhythm. The Boomerang makers > thought that out much better - their buttons are very sensitive and > can be > tapped seamlessly as part of a normal "tapping of the foot" movement. > I think I read that a Looper had taken his machine apart and cut the spring in half in order to make this easier I agree it is quite an audible STOMP to start and stop at the moment My RC20XL has unleashed a lot of creativity and joy - for the money I think it's a great machine One day I'm hoping the Echoplex will arrive in my life...but even then I can imagine still using the RC20XL for its portability Talking of which is there any possible truth to a rumour that one day Echoplex-type software may be available as a skin for this Chameleon? http://www.soundart-hot.com/english/index.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 06:06:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MA5PS06078; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:05:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:05:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002601c4b81e$74ed3990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: Y2K4 makes BBC news Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 03:04:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I googled the term 'live loopin' tonight just to see what came up and was excited to find this mention of the recent Y2K4 festival at BBC News http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 06:12:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MAAON06970; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:10:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:10:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <002601c4b81e$74ed3990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <002601c4b81e$74ed3990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <67EB03B9-2412-11D9-BDDD-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Y2K4 makes BBC news Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:09:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 22, 2004, at 12:04, loop.pool wrote: > I googled the term 'live loopin' tonight just to see what came up > and was excited to find this mention of the recent > Y2K4 festival at BBC News > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml > > Rick That's really cool! "Music and technology merge at International Live Looping Festival", "Going loopy".... reading on here ;-) Per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 06:24:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MAN2t08621; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:23:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:23:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001801c4b820$cea46100$0100a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <1098401060.26115@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Subject: Re: Hey you studio recording people Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:20:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com check that before big auralex expenses http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/ http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=26;hardset=;start_point=;DaysPrune= http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html http://www.realtraps.com/articles.htm Claude > Hey you home recording people. > > Have you had good experiences with Auralex acoustic foam products? > > I saw some on this site and thought the prices might warrant it: > > http://url123.com/xhby9 > > > and I thought it might be a good investment for my home studio. > > Is there a comparable kind of stuff that is cheaper? Or is Auralex pretty > much the main thing out there? > > Thanks, > > DM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 06:30:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MAQWu08950; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:26:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 06:26:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002601c4b81e$74ed3990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <002601c4b81e$74ed3990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:24:46 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: Y2K4 makes BBC news Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5XF8XB.A.RJC.y_NeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Super!! Rick!! Sunao At 3:04 AM -0700 04.10.22, loop.pool wrote: >I googled the term 'live loopin' tonight just to see what came up >and was excited to find this mention of the recent >Y2K4 festival at BBC News > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml > >Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 08:56:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MCr0m22318; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:53:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:53:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:14:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Thread-Index: AcS4OP/yPCf/AyQJEdmU+wBgl3jDlQ== From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9MCpqa22203 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have recently purchased an EDP and recently when I turn it on, "LOOP 4 1.1" loops over and over again on the display, never going into the typical record mode. None of the Parimeters Matrix lights come on, but the input light comes on as I play. This is very fustrating as I can't actually use the EDP as the intro screen continues to cycle. Has anyone else come across this, or have any ideas for a solution? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brian Walton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 09:12:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MD9ta24064; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:09:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:09:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy Ewen" To: Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:08:10 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c4b838$33a99e50$01fea8c0@Andy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Is this a new unit, black or beige? There are many things that can cause this boot-up loop; memory sticks not seated correctly, CPU not seated correctly, or, in older units, miss-matched crystals. Or indeed, the failure of any number of components internally. Having said that, it is fixable. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 22 October 2004 14:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) I have recently purchased an EDP and recently when I turn it on, "LOOP 4 1.1" loops over and over again on the display, never going into the typical record mode. None of the Parimeters Matrix lights come on, but the input light comes on as I play. This is very fustrating as I can't actually use the EDP as the intro screen continues to cycle. Has anyone else come across this, or have any ideas for a solution? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brian Walton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 09:23:19 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MDKqe25270; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:20:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:20:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:42:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Thread-Index: AcS4O1aTsHhbZjdNRKaxi3XrDtwOcgAACOfA From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9MDJta25173 Resent-Message-ID: <9ZtLyC.A.mJG.7jQeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com It is a brand new black one, I got a couple of weeks ago. It worked fine when I got it, I haven't moved it an inch from when I set it up, so I don't know how anything would get moved around internally, is this something I can/should fix myself, if so how? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Is this a new unit, black or beige? There are many things that can cause this boot-up loop; memory sticks not seated correctly, CPU not seated correctly, or, in older units, miss-matched crystals. Or indeed, the failure of any number of components internally. Having said that, it is fixable. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 22 October 2004 14:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) I have recently purchased an EDP and recently when I turn it on, "LOOP 4 1.1" loops over and over again on the display, never going into the typical record mode. None of the Parimeters Matrix lights come on, but the input light comes on as I play. This is very fustrating as I can't actually use the EDP as the intro screen continues to cycle. Has anyone else come across this, or have any ideas for a solution? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brian Walton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 10:07:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ME55q30072; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:05:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:05:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:03:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c4b83f$e4d2b0c0$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If it's new, I'd ask for a replacement. If you take it apart, I doubt Gibson would honour the warranty. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 22 October 2004 14:42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) It is a brand new black one, I got a couple of weeks ago. It worked fine when I got it, I haven't moved it an inch from when I set it up, so I don't know how anything would get moved around internally, is this something I can/should fix myself, if so how? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Is this a new unit, black or beige? There are many things that can cause this boot-up loop; memory sticks not seated correctly, CPU not seated correctly, or, in older units, miss-matched crystals. Or indeed, the failure of any number of components internally. Having said that, it is fixable. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 22 October 2004 14:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) I have recently purchased an EDP and recently when I turn it on, "LOOP 4 1.1" loops over and over again on the display, never going into the typical record mode. None of the Parimeters Matrix lights come on, but the input light comes on as I play. This is very fustrating as I can't actually use the EDP as the intro screen continues to cycle. Has anyone else come across this, or have any ideas for a solution? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brian Walton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 10:44:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MEgYR01443; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:42:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:42:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:03:43 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Thread-Index: AcS4Qwcco3EBPwrMSE2KjrxGhA7vyAABIYBA From: "Brian" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9MEfWa01280 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the advice, I was afraid of that. Unfortunately now I will have to do without my EDP for a couple of weeks, as I ship this one back and wait for another new one. To bad they don't just stock these things at the local guitar stores, I live in Atlanta, you would think that with the huge guitar stores around here someone would have had one. Maybe one day the world will catch on to the looping craze. -----Original Message----- From: Andy [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) If it's new, I'd ask for a replacement. If you take it apart, I doubt Gibson would honour the warranty. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 22 October 2004 14:42 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) It is a brand new black one, I got a couple of weeks ago. It worked fine when I got it, I haven't moved it an inch from when I set it up, so I don't know how anything would get moved around internally, is this something I can/should fix myself, if so how? -----Original Message----- From: Andy Ewen [mailto:andy.ewen@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 9:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Is this a new unit, black or beige? There are many things that can cause this boot-up loop; memory sticks not seated correctly, CPU not seated correctly, or, in older units, miss-matched crystals. Or indeed, the failure of any number of components internally. Having said that, it is fixable. -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: 22 October 2004 14:14 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) I have recently purchased an EDP and recently when I turn it on, "LOOP 4 1.1" loops over and over again on the display, never going into the typical record mode. None of the Parimeters Matrix lights come on, but the input light comes on as I play. This is very fustrating as I can't actually use the EDP as the intro screen continues to cycle. Has anyone else come across this, or have any ideas for a solution? Help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Brian Walton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 10:57:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MEs2W02815; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:54:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:54:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410221444.i9MEiPo01641@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410221444.i9MEiPo01641@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1297F428-243A-11D9-AF3A-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: TC FireworX /G-force Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:53:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com They made a trio of half-rack tube preamps, the Blues Machine, the Cream Machine and the Metal Machine (I think), and were well-reviewed as I recall. Easier to find is a used Mesa V-twin pedal. Try one of those on the clean setting. TravisH >From: "William Walker" >Date: October 21, 2004 6:52:34 PM PDT >To: >Subject: RE: TC FireworX /G-force >I recall hughes and ketner made something with a preamp tube that was similar. Have you had any experience with these, and if >so, do they make a simple one that does a decent clean fender sound? >Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 10:58:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MEtX503038; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:55:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:55:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: CD Duplication Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:54:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS4Qwcco3EBPwrMSE2KjrxGhA7vyAABIYBAAAA9/kA= Message-ID: <1098457030.30971@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3bAQR.A.Iu.L9ReBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I want to do a run of 500 CDs for an EP I am making. I would like a simple CD jewel case (or similar eco-friendly mechanism) with 2-color printing. Anyone have any recommendations? I would want US companies only since I am US based. Thanks in advance, Don Makoviney www.donmak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:00:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MEuu303291; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:56:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:56:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410221444.i9MEiPo01641@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410221444.i9MEiPo01641@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <69EDB685-243A-11D9-AF3A-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Subject: womany loopers Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:55:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Perhaps not so much an increase in egalitarian nature, but rather "Mmm! More me!!!" would account for this reaction. TravisH On Oct 22, 2004, at 7:44 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Maybe looping can be used in larger groups to allow different members > to > contribute to the backbone (ordered part) of music? Maybe in that way > it > creates the potential for more egalitarian kinds of interaction. I > watched > peoples faces light up when they heard their voice looped. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:17:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFFhG05647; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:15:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:15:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4179A556.9760A378@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:27:02 -0700 From: cul-baisser@t-online.de (Martin Tauchen) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [de] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Subject: womany loopers References: <200410221444.i9MEiPo01641@hemlock.violacea.com> <69EDB685-243A-11D9-AF3A-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ID: Gcl+QqZVreE29wOtYS0awAmDp5bEwFe5doX9sJiyN352Ije+RpN3Yp X-TOI-MSGID: 2833616b-b204-4e92-8da7-67049105cdf3 Resent-Message-ID: <1ziYtB.A.fVB.kOSeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have wether no subject nor an object to womany loopers, So how can I tell about this topic ? It is also a liitle bit a tiny question.Are female looopes different to male loopers. I think it is so.Female Loopers like conversation and communication. Male Loopers like more the Soloist Status Status,where the question to loop with other musicans gets a new quality. The question at lest is not,what gender a looper has.The question is,how we corresond to her/his work. I guess,female loopers are more openminded for communication. But that´s a fact of nature....... Dialog is important,not the gender or other stuff. Travis Hartnett schrieb: > Perhaps not so much an increase in egalitarian nature, but rather "Mmm! > More me!!!" would account for this reaction. > > TravisH > > On Oct 22, 2004, at 7:44 AM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > Maybe looping can be used in larger groups to allow different members > > to > > contribute to the backbone (ordered part) of music? Maybe in that way > > it > > creates the potential for more egalitarian kinds of interaction. I > > watched > > peoples faces light up when they heard their voice looped. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:18:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFGFU05686; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:16:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410221514.i9MFEua05541@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:15:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS4Qwcco3EBPwrMSE2KjrxGhA7vyAABIYBAAAB2nCA= In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Even huge guitar super (wh)/(st)ores in the New York City/Metro Area don't have these in stock most likely no one has them in stores? -----Original Message----- From: Brian [mailto:Brian@porterresearch.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:04 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Thanks for the advice, I was afraid of that. Unfortunately now I will have to do without my EDP for a couple of weeks, as I ship this one back and wait for another new one. To bad they don't just stock these things at the local guitar stores, I live in Atlanta, you would think that with the huge guitar stores around here someone would have had one. Maybe one day the world will catch on to the looping craze. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:24:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFMT007143; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:22:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:22:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022152103.59479.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.C. Skwayrd" Subject: RE: Review of Boss RC-20XL To: adrian@adrianwest.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Adrian, Hey, GREAT clips on your website! If you're still in Montreal, you should go to the International Folk Alliance meeting there in February... Yea, I doubt there's anyway to "upgrade" to the XL, apart from selling your RC20 on Ebay... > When I get to the end of the first layer of the phrase, > I like to to start recording the 2nd layer > immediately, without missing a beat. The RC-20 can't > do that. You have to hit the left pedal once to stop > recording, and hit it again to resume > recording. How stupid is that? On the XL, it'll start recording the next phrase without you having to do ANYTHING. I actually will have to get used to this, because sometimes I forget where my loop "ends" and I end up overdubbing more than I wanted to (rather than just soloing..) > 2. The foot pedals have too much travel and require > too much pressure, I actually like the footpedals -- they've got the standard Boss springs... Now, at least on my RC-20XL, this means that they also have little screws on them, so you should be able to adjust the "travel" distance by depressing the pedal MOST of the way down, and then tighten the screw. Haven't tried this yet on this particular unit, but I have with other Boss pedals. > > 3. I find the sound quality of the RC-20 to be less > good than the > Boomerang. Yea, apparently it's made to be used with crappy guitar amps! I haven't noticed any problem with the sound quality, but then again I'm using a crappy guitar amp that I once ran over with my car... i.e., everything sounds bad so I'm used to it. (I borrow my drummer's amp when I play out!) Cheers, Scott _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:27:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFOi907697; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:24:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:24:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <9618136.1098458573010.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:22:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD Duplication Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've had good luck with Boston-based Ken Selcer...781.863.2092, kselcer@tiac.net He's also superb at layout and artwork and a bunch of other stuff. Helluva player/writer/singer, too, for what it's worth. ~Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney Sent: Oct 22, 2004 10:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Duplication I want to do a run of 500 CDs for an EP I am making. I would like a simple CD jewel case (or similar eco-friendly mechanism) with 2-color printing. Anyone have any recommendations? I would want US companies only since I am US based. Thanks in advance, Don Makoviney www.donmak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:40:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFbhi09460; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:37:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:37:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.42] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pedal Options (buttons) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:34:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2004 15:35:07.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5B6D520:01C4B84C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Hi all

I am still plugging away at my own homebrewed pedal for the edp, i have most of the things i need in place now, i have found the buttons that I like, however as with many stages of this build I have been presented with more options then I knew the answer to.

it seems to be there are multipul optins of

single pole, double pole,
single throw, double throw

momentary, latching etc

I know I need a momentary type but i dont really know about the other two sets of two options.

can someone point me to what im looking for for controlling the edp.

 

thanks
Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

Download my FREE MP3's at www.download.com/therealblackface



Enjoy the awesome learning power of Encarta® at your fingertips when you subscribe to MSN® Encarta Premium. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:44:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFfxh10213; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:41:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:41:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c4b84c$40acaca0$ea2df604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: email check Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:31:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C4B811.937CC900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <1ianqB.A.ZeC.soSeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C4B811.937CC900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check, testing 7, 8, 9 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C4B811.937CC900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C4B811.937CC900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:45:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFhvU10648; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:43:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:43:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3926748.1098459800361.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:43:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: solder-fiends, I need your help RE: Talk boxes etc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I hope this isn't too off-topic, but one of my beloved, tres-useful musical tools is in trouble, and I hope one of you has the techno-smarts to help me fix it: it's a late-80s Ibanez so-called "Sixties Fuzz," one of the Soundtank series...excellent Jefferson Airplane/Fever Tree sound, but cheap hardware. I had it re-housed in a proper Hammond box and had the cheap, wobbly, very strange pots replaced. When I got it back, the great sound was intact, but volume-wise, it had been neutered. It went from being super f***ing loud to BARELY UNITY-GAIN, even with everything cranked. No circuitry was changed. As for values on the new pots, the tech found (after much looking) pots that matched the oddball impedance of the originals (87K)...the new box was too samll for a battery, so he configured to be external-power-only. He has no idea what could have caused the giant drop in output...could it be the deletion of the battery? Could it be one of these wacky circuits that needs a battery connected to it even when using external power? I'm using a 300-milliamp wallwart, so there's plenty of juice...I'm all out of ideas, and the guy who's supposed to be an expert has no idea either... I'd be VERY GRATEFUL for any ideas. Thanks, Tim www.mungenast.com -----Original Message----- From: Brian Hamlin Sent: Oct 22, 2004 1:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Talk boxes etc. Pretty sure that would have been the EMS vocoder (2000?) they played with all over that album. You can also spot the doggy Lord's Prayer and my favourite, the way the end of the vocal lines in Sheep morph into a synth. Very creative and not at all obvious use of vocoding. -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: 21 October 2004 20:41 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Talk boxes etc. Talking about breathing instruments, is anybody using talk boxes in their loop shows? i just recently got one(the s.talker) although i am still having a bit of problems with feedback.I would like to know how David Gilmour got those wicked talk box sounds on the Animals album sounds like a combination of wah wah and talk box together... Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Just a reflection on this instrument: I recently > bought a Jew's Harp > and found out that you can also play it while > "beatboxing" by using > your tongue to "spit" or "suck" "air shots" into > they the harp (while > it's vibrating the usual way). I also tried the reed > player trick to > "groaw" the sound by singing and it kind of works > with a jew's harp > (but not in the same way as bamboo reed > instruments). > > If you have a jew's harp around, try to keep the > basic rhythm with your > right hand, striking it on 8th notes, and then add > syncoped "drum > solos" by tongue shots. This is very inspiring for > looping! Myself I > have to practice it a little more before > incorporating it in my live > looping. Just my 2 cents.... ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:45:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFgxV10327; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:42:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:42:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41792976.5090201@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:38:30 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #396 for October 21, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <08AzLC.A.egC.npSeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/041021.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #396 October 21, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on E-dition Magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the sampler CD included with E-dition issue #3. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "The Pavilion of Dreams" by Harold Budd on Editions E.G. Records. E-dition Magazine - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#oct PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Harold Budd Juno The Pavilion of Dreams (Editions E.G.) The Glimmer Room Part 1 Grey Mirrors (A-Frame Media) Chad Hoefler Crimson Lost Twilight in the Offing (Hypnos) Wintersilence Rumi - Transmission Transmission Fields (Amplexus) Fields Pt. I Markus Reuter Forces Tending To Digitalis (Hypnos) Unbalance Gears of Sand Surfaces & Textures Sounds from the Vacuum Vol. 1 Christopher Short Cracks of Light, Chasing Duende (AtmoWorks) the Stars Away 12:00 am VA [Saul Stokes] Curve of Symphony E-dition Issue #3 VA [Waki] Salvia E-dition Issue #3 VA [Subradial] Bioloophorn (part 6) E-dition Issue #3 VA [Spielerei] Displaying Movements E-dition Issue #3 VA [The Circular Ruins] The Seven Sisters E-dition Issue #3 VA [Mantacoup] Mirovat 13 E-dition Issue #3 VA [Mutagene] Camera Dub E-dition Issue #3 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on E-dition magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight will be the sampler CD from E-dition #4. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "The Pavilion of Dreams" by Jean-Baptiste Barriere on Atem Records. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 11:48:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFlQ511556; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:47:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:47:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:47:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thank you so much, Per, Ted, Krispen, Michael, Gary, Luis, Matthas, Michael, Brian! I really appreciate having your feedback! Didn't expect that much! The last day in the US I checked in at a cheapo hotel that doesn't have internet, so I couldn't react earlier to your posts. Krispen: After having used the looper for some time it was exactly the metaphor that I liked using to describe the process: painting. The other issues you raise are of great importance to me, personally: "using the instrument as a tool of emotive expression", "creating music as art vs. craft", while I often find myself on the "craft" side when testing things out (rig setup as much as instrument training as much as music theory (testing out and practicing less obvious scales and rhythms)), that hopefully will sneak their way into my subconscious to eventually pop up and blend seamlessly with the "repertoire" during performance... The technical aspects: I'm using one EDP and do the stereozation after the loop using the G2. This is also what I do live. Thanks again for your interest! Ted: Thank you very much for the truly encouraging words and the promotion! Interestingly, I don't know any of the music you mention, and I will take that as an incentive to check it out as soon as possible. I am very pleased you took the time to download even more files. If you liked the tracks with Per you might like the MBBW tracks, too, with Michael Bearpark. I am such a lucky guy to have had the opportunity to make music with Per and Michael! And Andy and Matthias and Rick and Sunao and Scoots and ... It is always of particular pleasure to me to play with other musicians. Sometimes it happens so, that the other musicians aren't even playing or not even present in the same room, yet their presence influences the playing deeply. Gary: yes, all live! I removed a few lengthy sections, though, and it's definitely too rough still! BTW: I always thought that complaining about mp3 was just techie mumbo-jumbo, but ever since I'm recording these kind of things (and listen to other list members' CDs) I definitely can tell a difference. I believe mp3 was conceived for particular ranges of frequencies which these sounds sometimes exceed substantially. Yet another incentive to chisel a CD out... Luis: How was it made: hmmm... Well basically I looped the bassline and then overdubbed the volume swells for harmonies and then simply soloed over it. Matthias: you're right, I definitely should improve on my selection and editing process! Michael: Wow! Peter Gabriel! His music was very important for me during some time. But most important (I think) were The Police. And Bill Frisell. Or so... Brian: That's right, G2 comes after the loop. That's the main reason I'm using it to turn the mono sound into a stereo one. And what is a 311 song? Thank you all for taking the time to download, listen, and comment! This is very valuable to me. All the best Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 20. Oktober 2004 10:08 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mp3 of G2 & EDP Bernhard, I just downloaded your file and it's just starting to fade out now. It's REALLY beautiful! I downloaded a couple of other MP3s from your "Echoplex Loops" page while I was at it (I hope you don't mind). In particular I noticed and grabbed: Mathon2004072236.mp3 PBBW_CD1_Track3.mp3 PBBW_CD1_Track4.mp3 Since we only got a half hour of you at Y2K3 I wanted to hear you play just a little more in some other contexts. Your playing reminds me of some of the classic German electronic music from the '70s (Ashra Blackouts, etc.) mixed with some Michael Brooks and something uniquely your own. Very smooth and trancelike. It's also nice to hear Andy Butler on the Mathon tracks and Per Boysen on the PBBW tunes. I'm a big fan of Per. Anywho, any of you folks out there that haven't checked Bernhard's music out yet you're really missing out on something cool. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:11:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MG9Ap14335; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:09:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:09:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410221514.i9MFEua05541@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410221514.i9MFEua05541@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <813271AD-2444-11D9-B49C-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:07:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com and my very first question to loopers delight was - what stores exist in the UK where I can have a look at the echoplex? > Even huge guitar super (wh)/(st)ores in the New York City/Metro Area > don't > have these in stock most likely no one has them in stores? > > from my own research - and a deafening silence from fellow loopers - I can only assume the answer is there are NO stores in the UK with this in stock apparently an Echoplex was spotted in Switzerland, a while ago I very much hope this situation will improve or that it gets ported over to the Chameleon (am I fantasising here or is that a remote possibility?) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:13:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGBWL14679; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:11:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:11:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: mp3 of G2 & EDP Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:10:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 22, 2004, at 17:47, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > It is always of particular pleasure to me to play with other musicians. > Sometimes it happens so, that the other musicians aren't even playing > or not > even present in the same room, yet their presence influences the > playing > deeply. I fully agree! Sometimes you can "listen between the notes" for a co-musicians input. And again, thanks for visiting me this summer, I enjoyed our jamming a lot. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:14:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGCFM14874; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:12:15 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:12:15 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <10994.208.199.128.169.1098461451.squirrel@208.199.128.169> In-Reply-To: <1098401060.26115@mx64a.mysite4now.com> References: <005001c4b7c1$5ee19630$6501a8c0@khartung> <1098401060.26115@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hey you studio recording people From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Have you had good experiences with Auralex acoustic foam products? > For what it's worth, i've been thrilled with all Aurulex products in my studio. Worth every dollar, to me. Peter ______________________________ Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom On our hi-fi this week... http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:14:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGBu814854; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:11:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:11:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: CD Duplication Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:11:17 -0600 Message-ID: <00a401c4b851$c64be1a0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1098457030.30971@mx64a.mysite4now.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Don - I went with Tripledisc for my recent CD...very good quality and easy to work with. They are in Fredericksburg, Virginia. http://www.tripledisc.com/ If you send me your mailing address, I'll send you a copy of my CD so you can see their work in person...also shown virtually on my webpage below. ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Don Makoviney [mailto:dmakoviney@innfinityinc.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CD Duplication I want to do a run of 500 CDs for an EP I am making. I would like a simple CD jewel case (or similar eco-friendly mechanism) with 2-color printing. Anyone have any recommendations? I would want US companies only since I am US based. Thanks in advance, Don Makoviney www.donmak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:16:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGEX215704; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:14:33 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:14:33 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022161247.47883.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: RE: TC FireworX /G-force To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200410221444.i9MEiP701642@hemlock.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Bill, I have two Hughes and Kettner stomp boxes, the Replex and the Tube Factor. The Replex is a digital reverb and tape delay simulator doing both single head and double head type tape delay simulations. Then they run it through a tube at 300 volts to warm up the sound. I use it for my acoustic Ovation with piezo pickups and it has done an incredible job of warming up my sound. Probably the best improvement to my tone of anything I've ever tried. The Tube Factor is a similar idea. A combination of digital overdrive and tube overdrive. At least I think there's a digital distortion unit in there, maybe not. Anyway, it has a similar remarkable improvement in tone as the Replex. Though it doesn't do what I want it to do for my acoustic. Probably on an electric it would do wonders. I'll be selling mine soon so hit me offlist if you are interested. Unlike other companies (some of which rhyme with Fhlarenger) the tube is not some pantywaist addition trying to lure in the unsuspecting High School kid with promises of "analog warmth". Hughes and Kettner deliver the goods. The problem that I've heard associated with the Tube Factor is the lack of individual volume settings between the two differect types of distortion sound. This can be a problem if you're switching from one type to the other often. Stephen > Re: TC FireworX /G-forceI understand how you feel, as I sold my pod a few > months back and went back to using a groove tubes trio and voodlabs cabtone. > I no longer get the 31 amp flavors but I do get better sound and feel. The > problem is taking this stuff on the road, as it is heavy, and full of tubes. > so I'm considering something simple like a sansamp stompbox that is analog, > and helps to warm a direct sound up a bit. I recall hughes and ketner made > something with a preamp tube that was similar. Have you had any experience > with these, and if so, do they make a simple one that does a decent clean > fender sound? > Bill _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:18:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGG0O15957; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:16:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:16:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:13:10 +0200 Subject: digital, analog and tubes (was: FireworX/G-force) From: A.Willers@t-online.de (Andreas Willers) To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3181313590_121801_MIME_Part" X-ID: JbJrZgZlreZDRahHdFZIukX4fvWjeUem8hpjtpgNkpRtCo8+vyBu4E X-TOI-MSGID: 391fe878-9ca1-48c8-9cf2-2f25a5655dc3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3181313590_121801_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Betreff: RE: TC FireworX /G-force I understand how you feel, as I sold my pod a few months back and went back to using a groove tubes trio and voodlabs cabtone. I no longer get the 31 amp flavors but I do get better sound and feel. The problem is taking this stuff on the road, as it is heavy, and full of tubes. so I'm considering something simple like a sansamp stompbox that is analog, and helps to warm a direct sound up a bit. I recall hughes and ketner made something with a preamp tube that was similar. Have you had any experience with these, and if so, do they make a simple one that does a decent clean fender sound? Bill Hi Bill, for me personally tubes are most important in the power section of a guitar amp, reacting with the speakers and the cabinet (where plain physics come into play). Preamp distortion/overdrive is very much a matter of taste and circumstance (-> your rig and your ear). I usually find that I plain like or don't pedals regardless of tube or solid state. So while I am tinkering around with my boxes and routing I try to maintain a setup that works by itself and then I can go ahead and plug into my 50W Hiwatt rig or a small tube combo, a rented Fender Twin or (arghhh!) ...... into the PA. Just having a box with a 12AX7 tube doesn't make it IMO. So maybe your amp modeller into that nice little Vox 12 watter you have might just do it, mono? Best wishes, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3181313590_121801_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable digital, analog and tubes (was: FireworX/G-force) Betreff: RE: TC FireworX /G-force

I understand how yo= u feel, as I sold my pod a few months back and went back to using a groove t= ubes trio and voodlabs cabtone. I no longer get the 31 amp flavors but I do = get better sound and feel. The problem is taking this stuff on the road, as = it is heavy, and full of tubes. so I'm considering something simple like a s= ansamp  stompbox that is analog, and helps to warm a direct sound up a = bit. I recall hughes and ketner made something with a preamp tube that was s= imilar. Have you had any experience with these, and if so, do they make a si= mple one that does a decent clean fender sound?
Bill

Hi Bill,

for me personally tubes are most important in the power section of a guitar= amp, reacting with the speakers and the cabinet (where plain physics come i= nto play). Preamp distortion/overdrive is very much a matter of taste and ci= rcumstance (-> your rig and your ear). I usually find that I plain like o= r don't pedals regardless of tube or solid state. So while I am tinkering ar= ound with my boxes and routing I try to maintain a setup that works by itsel= f and then I can go ahead and plug into my 50W Hiwatt rig or a small tube co= mbo, a rented Fender Twin or (arghhh!) ...... into the PA. Just having a box= with a 12AX7 tube doesn't make it IMO. So maybe your amp modeller into that= nice little Vox 12 watter you have might just do it, mono?

Best wishes, Andreas
--MS_Mac_OE_3181313590_121801_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:24:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGN4W17144; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:23:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:23:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A03EBC2-2446-11D9-95FE-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: digital, analog and tubes (was: FireworX/G-force) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:22:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Analog is Mud - Digital is Glass" (Spinal Tap) ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:24:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGMG017018; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:22:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:22:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022162112.16163.qmail@web54203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jan gyn Subject: Re: TC FireworX /G-force To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1297F428-243A-11D9-AF3A-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > They made a trio of half-rack tube preamps, the > Blues Machine, the > Cream Machine and the Metal Machine (I think), and > were well-reviewed > as I recall. Easier to find is a used Mesa V-twin > pedal. Try one of > those on the clean setting. > > TravisH The Cream Machine is very high gain. If you want to clean it up, you must replace one or probably both of the 12ax7 tubes (one functions as a power tube, and there's an output transformer) with tubes of much lower gain. -jan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:44:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGg0420267; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:42:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:42:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-22.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1098463276!22296855!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E09@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: line mixers for looping Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:33:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4B854.D1984F00" Resent-Message-ID: <2T9ghD.A.u7E.zgTeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B854.D1984F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my live rig had to fit into smaller & smaller cases because of european bag= gage allowances; I went for the alesis rackmount mixer, which is a mixture = of mono & stereo channels, 2 auxes (1 pre, 1 post), basic 3-band eq & a ded= icated effects return. also 2-track send/return, phantom power, XLR mic inp= uts on the monos & balanced 1/4" outs. the damn thing seems to have disappeared off the market, & if I hadn't just= seen a picture of it, I'd think I'd dreamedthe whole thing. it's quiet, re= liable & flexible enough to deal with a few mics, a repeater, a quadraverb = & a bunch of synth modules, & it's only 3 rack units high. the faders are a= decent length too. I think it was about =A3180, or (scratches head) um....= . isn't that about $300? d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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my live rig had to fit into smaller & smaller cases b= ecause of european baggage allowances; I went for the alesis rackmount mixe= r, which is a mixture of mono & stereo channels, 2 auxes (1 pre, 1 post= ), basic 3-band eq & a dedicated effects return. also 2-track send/retu= rn, phantom power, XLR mic inputs on the monos & balanced 1/4" out= s.

the damn thing seems to have disappeared off the market, = & if I hadn't just seen a picture of it, I'd think I'd dreamedthe whole= thing. it's quiet, reliable & flexible enough to deal with a few mics,= a repeater, a quadraverb & a bunch of synth modules, & it's only 3= rack units high. the faders are a decent length too. I think it was about = =A3180, or (scratches head) um..... isn't that about $300?

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4B854.D1984F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:55:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGqsP21500; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:52:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:52:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:50:00 -0500 Subject: CD Duplication Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Dion Stewart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200410221614.i9MGEnD15769@hemlock.violacea.com> Message-Id: <6A0A5AEF-244A-11D9-972E-000A27B507F2@visi.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A friend of mine has had good results using Oasis for his last two CDs. They can do eco-friendly cases. http://www.oasiscd.com Dion > From: "Don Makoviney" > Date: Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:54:59 AM US/Central > To: > Subject: CD Duplication > > > I want to do a run of 500 CDs for an EP I am making. > > I would like a simple CD jewel case (or similar eco-friendly > mechanism) with > 2-color printing. > > Anyone have any recommendations? I would want US companies only since > I am > US based. > > Thanks in advance, > > Don Makoviney > www.donmak.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 12:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MGtnH22358; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:55:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:55:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022165512.26470.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > Brian: That's right, G2 comes after the loop. That's > the main reason I'm > using it to turn the mono sound into a stereo one. > And what is a 311 song? > 311 is a group out of Nebraska, I believe, and they have a song, "Flowing", in which the intro starts off using a preset from the G2 that sounds just like a section of your song, it just reminded me of that is all. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 13:08:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MH79F23493; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:07:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:07:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022170627.11670.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.C. Skwayrd" Subject: Re: CD duplication To: dmakoviney@innfinityinc.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <_ZmECC.A.CuF.Z4TeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Don, Good luck at getting only 500. It may actually be CHEAPER to order 1000. That's what I had to do for my CD... I used an Austin-based company, Affordable Sound (www.affordablesound.com). They do good, careful work. But I doubt they're the cheapest. Cheers, Scott -- http://www.scotthawley.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 14:33:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MIUbf01399; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:30:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:30:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002b01c4b865$71cbb600$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents spacenoiz with Wally Jericho Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:32:11 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 26th - spacenoiz with Wally Jericho Spacenoiz sprang from the subconscious and computer of composer/sound designer/multi-instrumentalist Jim Field. Known as much for his film / tv / internet scoring work as for co-founding Rhea's Obsession & stillcoiled (with brilliantfish), Jim's solo project spacenoiz is a fusion of ambient / middle- eastern / processed guitar-loop work, as well as Turkish oud, Indian sarangi, computer-based processing, chilled beats and Reaktor weirdness. This performance will feature tracks from the up coming spacenoiz cd "The Mirror of Her Eyes". http://www.pingthings.com/SPACENOIZphoenix.htm For the second set of the evening, spacenoiz proudly welcomes multi-instrumentalist Wally Jericho (looping trumpet and bass) to the stage for a set of improvised ambience in true PiNG style. http://www.wallyjericho.com Between Sets CD - "Amir Baghiri Recorded Live" Originally from Iran and now based in Germany, Amir Baghiri has released over 28 solo CDs, collaborations with other artists and several film scores. This is a live concert excerpt. http://www.amirbaghiri.de/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 2nd - Styrohead with Lyle Crilly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Mandala for Chaos" by Embracing the Glass Shimmering. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of "Mandala for Chaos" by Embracing the Glass. Shimmering, floating, sweeping tones passing by the senses while subtle vocals glide through your perceptions. Rising, swelling, like the crest of a wave tugging you deeper into its grasp. Transcendent, inspired, a womb-like serenity. Starting with slowly building pads paired with subtle vocals, opening track "Around" ebbs and flows like nighttime waves on a lonely beach. Growing in strength with each pass the waves grow more powerful, their pull becomes stronger and what was only a distant image a few moments ago now surrounds you. Track two "Chasm of Faith" brings to mind a tranquil lake where drops of water make ever-expanding ripples throughout. Somber strings float past the senses while a vocal line made strong through it's restraint brings to mind the mournful call of sirens to unsuspecting sailors. One can't help but become mesmerized by their charms. "Great Lakes Chain Gang" places the vocals more prominently in the mix, a layering of looped lines building on top of each other to create a tapestry of voices. At times this track reminds me of Brendan Perry of Dead Can Dance, something about the voice, the intonation, the phrasing. Cool stuff. Closing track "Mandala for Chaos" uses harmonic pads as a backdrop for further vocal stylings, a beautiful blend of sounds that flow and melt into each other creating a beautiful spiral of sound. Simply breathtaking. Shimmering. That's the first thing that comes to mind when I think of "Mandela for Chaos" by Embracing the Glass. Something liquid, shining in the light, shifting and flowing, almost alive. Shimmering. Lovely. Yes. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG presents live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at the Ballroom in the Gladstone Hotel (1214 Queen Street West at Gladstone/Dufferin St. - Both the Queen Streetcar and the Dufferin Bus stop right at the hotel. http://www.gladstonehotel.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 15:21:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MJIhR07483; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:18:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:18:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-SmartMax-AuthUser: From: "Don Makoviney" To: Subject: Kazooo looping Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:17:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <00a401c4b851$c64be1a0$6501a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS4UkZUaX8ZZsuVRl2fVZlmgXWYIAAGV5Ig Message-ID: <1098472806.17451@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Anyone thought about Kazoo looping. Electric Kazoos now for sale, complete with single coil pickups http://url123.com/xn9sv DM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 15:29:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MJNkD08073; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:23:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:23:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1a7.29efeb4b.2eaab822@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:23:14 EDT Subject: alesis ineko To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a7.29efeb4b.2eaab822_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1a7.29efeb4b.2eaab822_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone have an "ineko" box that they want to get rid of?.....michael --part1_1a7.29efeb4b.2eaab822_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable does anyone have an=20= "ineko" box that they want to get rid of?.....michael --part1_1a7.29efeb4b.2eaab822_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 15:33:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MJQuW08477; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:26:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:26:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022192546.63523.qmail@web51107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: CD kicking off crossover collaboration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041021220623.88685.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com OK, Per plays with a cello bow and has been compared on-list to three artists I really like (Jon Hassell and Byrne/Eno's "Bush of Ghosts"). I HAVE to buy this now. -t- np: dream theory in malaya ps: if I had a cel phone, maybe I could get it to buy it for me. :P --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > very cool stuff Per reminds me of John Hassel! > cheers > Luis > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > The "looping music vs spoken word" album is > finally > > up at > > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 15:38:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MJXZp09523; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:33:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:33:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <001501c4b86c$847a41c0$5c27f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <1098472806.17451@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Subject: Re: Kazooo looping Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:22:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think it would be great along with a musical saw. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Makoviney" To: Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Kazooo looping > Anyone thought about Kazoo looping. > > Electric Kazoos now for sale, complete with single coil pickups > http://url123.com/xn9sv > > DM > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 15:44:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MJfqP11090; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:41:52 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:41:52 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Y2K4 makes BBC news Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c4b81e$74ed3990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com How cool is that! How far is it from there to have Rick invited to "Mixing It Interviews" ?! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Freitag, 22. Oktober 2004 12:04 > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Y2K4 makes BBC news > > > I googled the term 'live loopin' tonight just to see what came up > and was excited to find this mention of the recent > Y2K4 festival at BBC News > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml > > Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 16:09:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MK6We14008; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:06:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:06:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Yon Mercury" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: womany loopers Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:05:38 -0700 Message-Id: <20041022200538.M75074@stickist.com> In-Reply-To: <200410221614.i9MGEnt15770@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410221614.i9MGEnt15770@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.81 20021203 X-OriginatingIP: 199.126.160.79 (swirlee@www.stickist.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <2BdgqD.A.jYD.TgWeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Menny loopers, >Perhaps not so much an increase in egalitarian nature, but rather "Mmm! > More me!!!" would account for this reaction. I like Matthias' comment on instant soul mirror. There is something magical about seeing your reflection. I've noticed that many people can not hear themselves sing. They harbor such distorted perceptions and fears about the way they sound that it prevents them from seeing the natural beauty in their own voice. But when we looped people together, I observed that they were stunned by the beauty of their collective voices-- and by hearing themselves immediately as part of this creation. I don't think collective looping is egalitarian in itself. But if the tools are wielded in a good way, I think it can be. I guess that is what I am experimenting with. Anyway, the feedback people gave me and the reaction to the CD of our collective work sure was positive. I don't think it was ego stroking. >I think it is so.Female Loopers like conversation and communication. >Male Loopers like more the Soloist Status Status,where the question to >loop with >other musicans gets a new quality. I agree with you. May I generalize without getting slammed?? Men are often more competitive, and women are oft more nurturing. As a two-spirit, I try to combine male and female qualities in my work. That is to say, I am a software designer and technology user. I wield spears. Yet at the same time I try to encourage people, especially those on the margins, to be heard and to hear one another. I try to be supportive like a mama. I try to bring a nice home cooked meal along with the looper when I go out to play with friends. I think people appreciate that just as much as whatever the looping process brings them. >Dialog is important,not the gender or other stuff. I feel that this blending of roles has been important to my development as a human being. As men, we are challenged to embrace the feminine within ourselves. How else can we honor women? Take Care, Mercury From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 16:21:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MKGvO15870; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:16:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:16:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: Review of Boss RC-20XL Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:15:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20041022152103.59479.qmail@web54601.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Scott, When you say: On the XL, it'll start recording the next phrase without you having to do ANYTHING. I actually will have to get used to this, because sometimes I forget where my loop "ends" and I end up overdubbing more than I wanted to (rather than just soloing..) Assuming you are starting with a blank loop (i.e. nothing pre-recorded) then don't you at least have to do something (i.e. hit left pedal) to end your "first pass"? BTW I live in the Bay Area now. Moved from Montreal in 1995. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: M.C. Skwayrd [mailto:mcskwayrd@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:21 AM To: adrian@adrianwest.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Review of Boss RC-20XL Adrian, Hey, GREAT clips on your website! If you're still in Montreal, you should go to the International Folk Alliance meeting there in February... Yea, I doubt there's anyway to "upgrade" to the XL, apart from selling your RC20 on Ebay... > When I get to the end of the first layer of the phrase, > I like to to start recording the 2nd layer > immediately, without missing a beat. The RC-20 can't > do that. You have to hit the left pedal once to stop > recording, and hit it again to resume > recording. How stupid is that? On the XL, it'll start recording the next phrase without you having to do ANYTHING. I actually will have to get used to this, because sometimes I forget where my loop "ends" and I end up overdubbing more than I wanted to (rather than just soloing..) > 2. The foot pedals have too much travel and require > too much pressure, I actually like the footpedals -- they've got the standard Boss springs... Now, at least on my RC-20XL, this means that they also have little screws on them, so you should be able to adjust the "travel" distance by depressing the pedal MOST of the way down, and then tighten the screw. Haven't tried this yet on this particular unit, but I have with other Boss pedals. > > 3. I find the sound quality of the RC-20 to be less > good than the > Boomerang. Yea, apparently it's made to be used with crappy guitar amps! I haven't noticed any problem with the sound quality, but then again I'm using a crappy guitar amp that I once ran over with my car... i.e., everything sounds bad so I'm used to it. (I borrow my drummer's amp when I play out!) Cheers, Scott _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 16:36:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MKZGV20078; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:35:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:35:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:35:55 -0400 Subject: kazoo looping From: "steve.sandberg" To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I loop my kazoo all the time, but don't need an electric one - just mic it, it's got plenty of presence :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 17:01:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MKx4424170; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:59:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:59:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IozyQMUkHwqopynkcZU+5jZCo7mhx2gajWCC4KawJsOH1ng4ew9Vure78LftRUQn6JsdPoSIpRH/lvWMZfWEjTeXO/UJ+espbEHFYdBmfOA7YEWKqhBHDs1mykAJG1L5l2W/LuiB+pdfEbxBFbj3GyJyj3W+U/0xvLl+8eDf580= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:51:24 -0700 From: biz Reply-To: biz To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Hey you studio recording people In-Reply-To: <10994.208.199.128.169.1098461451.squirrel@208.199.128.169> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <005001c4b7c1$5ee19630$6501a8c0@khartung> <1098401060.26115@mx64a.mysite4now.com> <10994.208.199.128.169.1098461451.squirrel@208.199.128.169> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com FWIW, I hate auralex and sonex. The big problem is that, while they have a limited effect on high frequency response, they do almost nothing for the low-mids and low range. So they'll get ride of annoying early reflections (ping), but do absolutely nothing to make your room better to mix in. The little foam 'dimples' in the foam are about as effective, aurally, as the arrows on a peice of monster cable, that show the 'direction' that the cable should be used. Flat sheets of foam would be as effective, and not as nearly effective as compressed fibreglass that is used by professional acousticians. Their corner traps are even more useless, and mic 'traps' are a bad joke. The overall hucksterism is quite a turn off. They pretend that their products are the be all and end alll of sound improvement, when in fact, they are about the absolute minimum you can do. Notice how when you click on the 'hear a sample of this product' you are directed to exactly the same crappy sample? You will have comparably, if not better effects by hanging moving blankets or carpet remnants in your space. Watch out for fireproofing if you go this route, however. Still, I've used auralex to set up three separate studios. Why? Because none of them were for music - they were for industrial video work, where sound quality wasn't a big issue, and I didn't have the inclination to spend more money or time on the problem. It was partly to make the talent think it was in a 'professional studio' (this is more important than you might think in getting a good take :>) and partly because it does reduce the 'sproing of early reflections a bit. It never reduces the early reflections as much as I hope it will though. When people comment on the 'fancy foam' I >never< do the clap test - there's always still plenty of early reflection. I've also used foam in my vocal booth, with even more dissappointing results. I had hoped that, since I would only be recording vox in there, I could get away using several boxes of Sonex I had been given for free - since the low end would be limited. It hasn't gotten entirely rid of the room, however, and I can hear a little muddiness that I wasn't getting when I was recording vox in the completely untreated control room at my last house. Instead of auralex's guitar center-approved foam, I would recomend buying sheets of compress fibreglass 705, wrapping them in cheap bed sheets from target. To be extra cautious, spray the bed sheets with flame retardent - the fibre glass isn't flammable, however. When you have the extra money, purchase some bass traps from www.realtraps.com, for your corners. Check out recording.org's acoustics forum for >lots< more info on this subject, bIz ------------------------------------------------------- "Groovetronica's melodic, chill madness is perfect for everyone." - Editor's pick - music.download.com. More than three and a half thousand downloads makes us their #1 downloaded downtempo artist. Check out our website - http://www.groovetronica.com Hear tracks from the new EP and sign up to have us send you our next cd release - for free! ------------------------------------------------------- Hey you home recording people. > > Have you had good experiences with Auralex acoustic foam products? > > I saw some on this site and thought the prices might warrant it: > > http://url123.com/xhby9 > > > and I thought it might be a good investment for my home studio. > > Is there a comparable kind of stuff that is cheaper? Or is Auralex > pretty > much the main thing out there? > > Thanks, > > DM > > > > bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 17:34:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MLW0v30130; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:32:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:32:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022213024.74397.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <3WAG-D.A.FTH.2vXeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Brian i can tell you that the problem lies 99% on your simms memory,wiggle them around and make they sit tight cheers Luis > > I have recently purchased an EDP and recently when I > turn it on, "LOOP 4 > 1.1" loops over and over again on the display, > never going into the > typical record mode. None of the Parimeters Matrix > lights come on, but > the input light comes on as I play. This is very > fustrating as I can't > actually use the EDP as the intro screen continues > to cycle. Has anyone > else come across this, or have any ideas for a > solution? Help would be > greatly appreciated. Thanks > > Brian Walton > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 18:50:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MMm7c06348; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:48:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:48:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:52:06 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Kazooo looping In-Reply-To: <1098472806.17451@mx64a.mysite4now.com> Message-ID: References: <1098472806.17451@mx64a.mysite4now.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, 22 Oct 2004, Don Makoviney wrote: > Anyone thought about Kazoo looping. > > Electric Kazoos now for sale, complete with single coil pickups > http://url123.com/xn9sv Got one a few months back, played around with it a bit in the studio, took it for one show so far but ended up not using it. Silly. Using the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky to loop the kazoo worked best for me: the Lo-Fi-ness of the Z-Vex made the annoying blatt of the kazoo mellow out a bit. Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 19:14:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MNBgS08883; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:11:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:11:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041022231027.78039.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:10:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Y2K4 makes BBC news To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Rick congratulations brother its too bad i couldn´t be there with you! Luis --- Sunao Inami wrote: > Super!! Rick!! > > Sunao > > At 3:04 AM -0700 04.10.22, loop.pool wrote: > >I googled the term 'live loopin' tonight just to > see what came up > >and was excited to find this mention of the recent > >Y2K4 festival at BBC News > > > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/newmusic/index.shtml > > > >Rick > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 19:35:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MNXkJ11481; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:33:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:33:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <007201c4b88e$68b55e80$fa9efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Roland RE-501 / SRE-555 Chorus Echo Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:22:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C4B89E.B883B780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C4B89E.B883B780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, does anybody on this list happen to have service notes for these Roland = tape echoes or can anybody give me some advice as to how to realign the = noisegate / compressor/expander circuit? My 555 produces some annoying = pumping gate effects when signals pass the tape (which is a new original = RT-1L). Any info is welcome. TIA, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C4B89E.B883B780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
does anybody on this list happen to = have service=20 notes for these Roland tape echoes or can anybody give me some advice as = to how=20 to realign the noisegate / compressor/expander circuit? My 555 produces = some=20 annoying pumping gate effects when signals pass the tape (which is a new = original RT-1L). Any info is welcome.
 
TIA,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C4B89E.B883B780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 19:35:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MNXGB11351; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:33:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:33:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Repeater and Soundforge... Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:19:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C4B89E.5A849B40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C4B89E.5A849B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, being a complete novice to HD recording and editing, I have a few = questions. I stored the files on the CFC of my Repeater on my PC which = worked without problems. When checking the folders I noticed that the = Repeater has five (or more) files stored for one loop, some internal = information which stores loop points and such I guess, and two (when = used in stereo) .wav files. So far, so good. But how can I store .wav = files I created using Soundforge onto the Repeater CFC? Do I just create = an empty loop folder, put the stereo .wav file into it and do all the = editing like looping etc. on the Repeater afterwards? Please forgive my ignorance and me wasting bandwidth. Any info is = welcome. TIA, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C4B89E.5A849B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
being a complete novice to HD recording = and=20 editing, I have a few questions. I stored the files on the CFC of my = Repeater on=20 my PC which worked without problems. When checking the folders I noticed = that=20 the Repeater has five (or more) files stored for one loop, some internal = information which stores loop points and such I guess, and two (when = used in=20 stereo) .wav files. So far, so good. But how can I store .wav files I = created=20 using Soundforge onto the Repeater CFC? Do I just create an empty loop = folder,=20 put the stereo .wav file into it and do all the editing like looping = etc. on the=20 Repeater afterwards?
 
Please forgive my ignorance and me = wasting=20 bandwidth. Any info is welcome.
 
TIA,
 
Stephen.
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C4B89E.5A849B40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 22 20:45:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9N0gU017910; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:42:30 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:42:30 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:41:26 -0400 From: dk@zenkick.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater and Soundforge... Message-ID: <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Resent-Message-ID: <-D7wM.A.cVE.8iaeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com wavecomputer360 said... > used in stereo) .wav files. So far, so good. But how can I store .wav > files I created using Soundforge onto the Repeater CFC? Do I just > create an empty loop folder, put the stereo .wav file into it and do > all the editing like looping etc. on the Repeater afterwards? You really can't do this easily. You can certainly modify your existing Repeater loops. But, to create new loops directly from a .wav file is quite a challenge and I don't think the proverbial nut has been cracked. There were rumblings of some folks working on a program to create the additional meta files for importing .wav's into a Repeater, but I don't think anything transpired. I was even part of the initial rumbling-- asking for file specs from Electrix, but never received any file specs from Electrix. If you haven't already, check out the Repeater group at Yahoo!: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ There are instructions (search the archives) on -replacing- the data in a -current- Repeater loop with the data from an external .wav file, but it's convoluted and not really worth the time, imho. -dk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 01:43:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9N5e4112580; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:40:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 01:40:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Chord Yoga for Guitarists Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:39:16 -0600 Message-ID: <00da01c4b8c2$a5d1c1d0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For all you guitar loopers out there, I just discovered by accident one of my archived web pages from 1998, during my intense chord voicing studies. I can't believe I found this site...I thought I had lost it during a hard drive crash. Anyway, if you are interested in spicing up your chord voicings, this web page has some interesting chords that are the closest approximation to how jazz piano players voice their chords, without roots and with a lot of tone clusters for that dense and dissonant feel. The page has graphical depictions of the fingering for each chord, plus a small demo sound clip. "Chord Yoga for the Jazz Guitarist" http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/chords/ (requires RealPlayer to hear the sound clips) Sample blues progressions applying the chords http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/progressions/ I created these pages as a result of my private studies and inspiration from John Stowell, who is an unbelievable human being and amazing jazz guitarist who tours all over Europe and the US, doing clinics, jazz festivals, and concerts. One of my favorite CDs of his is "Somewhere", recorded in February 1995 in Freiburg, Germany - featuring John on guitar, Florian Dolling on bass, and Hiram Mutschler on drums. If you ever hear of John playing in Europe, you should definitely go check him out. He permanently changed the way I conceive the guitar, chords, melodies, etc. Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 02:29:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9N6Qkd17838; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:26:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:26:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: alesis ineko Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:25:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS4bQSFWFUzvcaESKqOuaplalaLHQAW5O0g In-Reply-To: <1a7.29efeb4b.2eaab822@aol.com> Message-Id: <20041023062551.KSRE22372.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <3aFPmD.A.cTE.2lfeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi groovy fab boss gear people-- I have arranged to send Scoots my underemployed Ineko for $50 and shipping, so no need to bother him with dayglo green spam. Ta ta, Gary From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 12:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: alesis ineko does anyone have an "ineko" box that they want to get rid of?.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 02:31:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9N6Sj318192; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:28:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:28:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:25:47 -0800 Subject: anyone know who this is in this thread? From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=763531 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 03:55:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9N7qwY28007; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:52:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:52:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <644B03AC-24C8-11D9-AE32-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: line mixers for looping Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:51:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9N7pna27820 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I think you're talking about the Alesis 12R. There's several on eBay right now: http://search.ebay.com/alesis-12r_W0QQsojsZ1QQfromZR40 They seem to go for about $150 these days. TravisH >my live rig had to fit into smaller & smaller cases because of european baggage allowances; I went for the alesis rackmount mixer, >which is a mixture of mono & stereo channels, 2 auxes (1 pre, 1 post), basic 3-band eq & a dedicated effects return. also 2-track >send/return, phantom power, XLR mic inputs on the monos & balanced 1/4" outs. >the damn thing seems to have disappeared off the market, & if I hadn't just seen a picture of it, I'd think I'd dreamedthe whole thing. >it's quiet, reliable & flexible enough to deal with a few mics, a repeater, a quadraverb & a bunch of synth modules, & it's only 3 rack >units high. the faders are a decent length too. I think it was about £180, or (scratches head) um..... isn't that about $300? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 04:41:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9N8dKE31984; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K4 makes BBC news Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:40:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:29:58 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.126.178 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > How cool is that! > How far is it from there to have Rick invited to "Mixing It Interviews" ?! yes, Rick, way cool - thanks very much for the press in Santa Cruz - did the BBC people find this by themselves? maybe you should contact Mixing It, they are very open to experimental music, and they often spend a complete 75 minute Mixing It issue at one festival ... -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 06:36:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NAXDb10065; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:33:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:33:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: anyone know who this is in this thread? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:32:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 23, 2004, at 9:25, wrote: > http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php? > s=&threadid=763531 A bit down that thread it says "KT Tunstall". Appears to be a Scottish singer-songwriter. A gig review here http://www.capercaillie.co.uk/discuss/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1434 and some photos here http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/others2004/secretgarden/photos- KTTunstall.shtml. Unfortunately no pictures of her pedals. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 09:00:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NCwAO23201; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> Subject: Re: Repeater and Soundforge... Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:41:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <45wS-.A.SjF.yPleBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi and thanks for the info. now, this is something of a disappointment. I hoped I could feed the Repeater with some raw material which was tweaked just right and do the rest on the unit itself. Sad... Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Repeater and Soundforge... > wavecomputer360 said... > > > used in stereo) .wav files. So far, so good. But how can I store .wav > > files I created using Soundforge onto the Repeater CFC? Do I just > > create an empty loop folder, put the stereo .wav file into it and do > > all the editing like looping etc. on the Repeater afterwards? > > You really can't do this easily. > > You can certainly modify your existing Repeater loops. But, to create > new loops directly from a .wav file is quite a challenge and I don't > think the proverbial nut has been cracked. > > There were rumblings of some folks working on a program to create the > additional meta files for importing .wav's into a Repeater, but I > don't think anything transpired. I was even part of the initial > rumbling-- asking for file specs from Electrix, but never received any > file specs from Electrix. > > If you haven't already, check out the Repeater group at Yahoo!: > > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/repeater-users/ > > There are instructions (search the archives) on -replacing- the data > in a -current- Repeater loop with the data from an external .wav file, > but it's convoluted and not really worth the time, imho. > > -dk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 09:35:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NDY9o26927; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: REPLEX (was: TC FireworX /G-force) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 06:32:20 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c4b904$b8c14c60$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20041022161247.47883.qmail@web41010.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <6ahCEC.A.7jG.r2leBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Stephen wrote: >I have two Hughes and Kettner stomp boxes, the Replex and the Tube Factor. >The Replex is a digital reverb and tape delay simulator doing both single head and double head type tape delay simulations. Then they run it through a tube at 300 volts to warm up the sound. I use it for my acoustic Ovation with piezo pickups and it has done an incredible job of warming up my sound. Probably the best improvement to my tone of anything I've ever tried. Stephen, I'm interested in a few more details about your Replex, if you would indulge me. I also have one that I bought on a whim, and I can't figure out if I like it or not! Agreed about the tone difference. I run mine with my electric guitars in front of a Line6 Duoverb combo, and there is a nice tone difference. However, I have read that there is a much better tone achieved if you get rid of the cheap 'Ruby' tube that is in the unit and replace it with a good quality one. Have you changed the tube? Regarding the delay. One of the reasons I bought the delay was to get something where I could do some knob twiddling and get some crazy soundscape and detuned effects. Unfortunately, I bought this unit off Ebay, and as I did more work on it, I realized that when I turned the delay time knob, it would start to detune as I wanted it to, but if I turned the knob further, or too fast, it would essentially 'reset'. The delay trails would 'stop'...then you would hear the regeneration begin again...I would start turning the knob again, begin to detune, and phzzzzzip! It would stop again! This happens in both directions, either speeding up or down. I wrote to H&K, and the response I got was that yes, this is a 'feature' of the Replex, in that it mimics tape machine behaviour, and tape machines will do the same thing. Does anybody know if this is true? Now, the behaviour that I WANT...and that works perfectly...is an analog delay, such as the Maxon AD999....ooooooh, yummy. Now, why do I keep buying these modeling gizmos and expecting them to act like the real thing? You know? I keep asking myself that same question. Anyway, any feedback on the behaviour of your Replex would be appreciated. Best, Rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 10:11:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NE8v830956; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:08:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:08:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Problems Using Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:07:55 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <0QD2eB.A.JbH.-WmeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, Whenever I record in Live using a MIDI foot pedal the audio starts recording too late and the audio stops recording too late. I guess this has to do with my quantization settings and trigger settings. Can someone give me some tips please? Thanks erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 11:59:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NFw2g09125; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:58:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041023102822.0c7dab20@gemini.lunarpages.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:44:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Problems Using Ableton Live As A Live Looper In-Reply-To: References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0fSHgD.A.xIC.F8neBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 09:07 AM 10/23/2004, soam wrote: >Whenever I record in Live using a MIDI foot pedal the audio starts >recording too late and the audio stops recording too late. I guess this >has to do with my quantization settings and trigger settings. Can someone >give me some tips please? Thanks If you're looping live, try using Ableton merely as your host program and something like Augustus Loop for capturing your loops. I think the timing should work out a bit better. Also, as you mentioned, you may have some quantization settings a bit whacked. Since Augustus Loop isn't tied into those settings, a quick test should begin narrowing down the source of the problem. If you're still having problems (even with Augustus), then I'd start to examine your MIDI setup. You could be having latency/system load issues which are affecting the timing of your triggers. --m. _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 12:10:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NG9Hx10594; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041023102822.0c7dab20@gemini.lunarpages.com> References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> <6.1.2.0.2.20041023102822.0c7dab20@gemini.lunarpages.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Re: Problems Using Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:08:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 23, 2004, at 11:44 AM, Mech wrote: > At 09:07 AM 10/23/2004, soam wrote: > >> Whenever I record in Live using a MIDI foot pedal the audio starts >> recording too late and the audio stops recording too late. I guess >> this has to do with my quantization settings and trigger settings. >> Can someone give me some tips please? Thanks > > If you're looping live, try using Ableton merely as your host program > and something like Augustus Loop for capturing your loops. I think > the timing should work out a bit better. > > Also, as you mentioned, you may have some quantization settings a bit > whacked. Since Augustus Loop isn't tied into those settings, a quick > test should begin narrowing down the source of the problem. > > If you're still having problems (even with Augustus), then I'd start > to examine your MIDI setup. You could be having latency/system load > issues which are affecting the timing of your triggers. > > I can't get Augustus Loop to loop for a few bars, even if i put "16" in "beats". What would happen if I used no quantization for recording? Hmm....I'd probably need it for playback though. Ableton live records with latency if I don't use Software monitoring. I have to use SOftware monitroing for the wave to line up right. Strange huh? I think my MIDI set-up is fine... Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 13:32:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NHVHQ20186; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:31:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:31:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:30:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Question (Help Desperately Needed) X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <813271AD-2444-11D9-B49C-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> References: <200410221514.i9MFEua05541@hemlock.violacea.com> <813271AD-2444-11D9-B49C-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <9TIEZD.A.y1E.SUpeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Piers, > from my own research - and a deafening silence from fellow loopers - I > can only assume the answer is there are NO stores in the UK with this > in stock As far as I can tell EDPs are still unavailable anywhere in Europe! Even online music shops that have EDPs in their catalogues don't actually have them in stock and can not say when they will have them. I have even questioned the few US shops that will ship to Europe, but they didn't have them in stock either ... -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 13:40:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NHce621278; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:38:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:38:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> <6.1.2.0.2.20041023102822.0c7dab20@gemini.lunarpages.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <51453008-251A-11D9-96F8-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Problems Using Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:38:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <6VKc5B.A.EKF.PcpeBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 23, 2004, at 18:08, soam wrote: > I can't get Augustus Loop to loop for a few bars, even if i put "16" > in "beats". No one can :-) August quantizes on loop length. You have to think "looping with a tape delay" when working with Augustus. The Freeze Loop button is the one to address. Whenever the Freeze button is OFF the plug-in is recording and overdubbing into the loop. > Ableton live records with latency if I don't use Software monitoring. I solved this problem (Live 4) by using one track for my audi input and monitoring (Monitor tag set to "On") and then I was recording clips (if this is what you mean by "looping in Live"?) on second track with the monitor tag set to "Auto", which applies Live's latency compensation to recorded clips. Launching recorded clips works a bit different according to the preferences settings for Lunch Mode. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 13:53:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NHpci23492; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:51:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:51:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.59.148.66] X-Originating-Email: [esperantomusic@hotmail.com] X-Sender: esperantomusic@hotmail.com From: "Job Verweijen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Repeater or EDP Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 19:50:30 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2004 17:51:00.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBC1D440:01C4B928] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Musicians, My name is Job, I am a 29-year-old percussionist/vocalist from The Netherlands and I want to get involved in looping. I have been reading a lot of reports and reviews on the websites of loopers delight and harmony central. My conclusion is that either the Echoplex Digital Pro Plus or the Elctrix Repeater is the machine I need. The big problem is I absolutely cannot choose between those two. Both of them have pros and cons and I wished some company could combine the best features of both to create the ultimate musician’s looping tool for live and recording. Since that hasn’t happened yet, I need to choose. I am writing for some help on my choice. Let me explain how I want to use a looper. My band plays psychedelic world jammusic. My setup consists of different percussion-instruments, most of which are individually miked. I also use a headset-mic for vocals. In the live situation I want to be able to play a certain groove on an instrument like a handdrum, triangle, set of woodbocks or shaker and then loop it and overdub another layer etc. I also want to mix in my vocals. I sing percussion-part, drumbeats and effects with my voice. Second I want to have delay options for spacial effects on my voice and certain instruments for a “trippy” effect. The delay times must be easily changeable. With a looper I also want to compose loops at home and store them, so I can recall them live with a footboard at any given moment. Third, I want the looper to practice along side with to work on my timing, so as a advanced kind of metronome. Fourth, I want to be able to store loops on my computer at home to manipulate/master and import effects/sound-collages etc from the computer unto the looper. What I concluded was that the Repeater has far more storage-space for loops and effects (up to 256 MB). Second the unit looks much stronger and it is stereo. Problems are there’s only one layer of Undo, some problems with internal metronome and with the sound (especially when you’re using the pitch shift). There was a very negative review by some guy named Progster (sept 14, 2001) but some rave ones by others. The EDP is not stereo and the unit and especially the footboard don’t look too strong. Second, it doesn’t have that much memory and only expansionable up to 198 seconds (16 MB). So guys, please help me. What machine should I buy? And what is a decent price to buy one second hand (on ebay or someplace else?). Thanks so much in advance!!! Best wishes, Job Verweijen _________________________________________________________________ MSN Zoeken helpt je om de gekste dingen te vinden! http://search.msn.nl From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 16:11:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NK9iI06222; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:09:44 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:09:44 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <51453008-251A-11D9-96F8-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> <6.1.2.0.2.20041023102822.0c7dab20@gemini.lunarpages.com> <51453008-251A-11D9-96F8-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <52EB85F7-252F-11D9-BE60-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: Re: Problems Using Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:08:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 23, 2004, at 1:38 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 23, 2004, at 18:08, soam wrote: > >> I can't get Augustus Loop to loop for a few bars, even if i put "16" >> in "beats". > > No one can :-) August quantizes on loop length. You have to think > "looping with a tape delay" when working with Augustus. The Freeze > Loop button is the one to address. Whenever the Freeze button is OFF > the plug-in is recording and overdubbing into the loop. > >> Ableton live records with latency if I don't use Software monitoring. > > I solved this problem (Live 4) by using one track for my audi input > and monitoring (Monitor tag set to "On") and then I was recording > clips (if this is what you mean by "looping in Live"?) on second track > with the monitor tag set to "Auto", which applies Live's latency > compensation to recorded clips. > > Launching recorded clips works a bit different according to the > preferences settings for Lunch Mode. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > hmm...i'll check it out later today. thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 16:14:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NKCEp06787; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:12:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:12:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <52EB85F7-252F-11D9-BE60-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> References: <007101c4b88e$65fd9180$fa9efe91@synthhost> <20041023004126.GV11145@text.org> <004e01c4b8fe$18ece9c0$d19efe91@synthhost> <6.1.2.0.2.20041023102822.0c7dab20@gemini.lunarpages.com> <51453008-251A-11D9-96F8-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> <52EB85F7-252F-11D9-BE60-0003931CF5E4@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: soam Subject: EDP In NYC? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:11:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <4gmZ.A.eoB.PsreBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Any know where I can get an EDP in NYC? Thanks Erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 16:28:47 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NKPVX08284; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:25:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:25:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <003501c4b93c$d7d5b5e0$9c27f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: Santa Cruz Live Looping Y2K3 CDs sent out... Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:14:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C4B902.2AE76F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C4B902.2AE76F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have sent out all orders which I received up toyesterday of the Santa = Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 CDs, including those sent to Germany and = Sweden. I had a glitch on my email earlier this week and could not send or = receive emails. Sorry for any inconvenience that may have caused. For = those who missed the emails I sent out to LD, a recap: I have two separate CDs available from the Santa Cruz Live Looping = Festival, also called Y2K3 (2003) put on by Rick Walker and 30 or so = other performers (not from Y2K4 (2004) which I did not record).=20 =20 Volume One is subtitled "Guitars, etc." Volume Two is subtitled "Percussion, etc." =20 Those are general categories, as there is some of both on each, plus = other methods of making music and sound, as well. These CDs are alomost = 80 minutes each of great live looping sounds and music.=20 =20 The CDs are $12.00 each ($10.00 for the next 3 months if you mention you = saw them on Looper's Delight. =20 =20 Shipping is $2.00 for one CD and $.50 extra for each additional CDs. =20 A two volume set to the LD people is $22.50, and $12.00 for one. =20 =20 To see the CDs on my website, and payment details, please go to: =20 http://www.santacruzcollage.com/Y2K3_page1.html =20 Thanks for all you support and response on the Live Looping Festival = Y2K3 CDs. I greatly appreciate it. Robin ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C4B902.2AE76F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have sent out all orders which I = received up=20 toyesterday of the Santa Cruz Live Looping Festival Y2K3 CDs, including = those=20 sent to Germany and Sweden.
 
I had a glitch on my email earlier this = week and=20 could not send or receive emails. Sorry for any inconvenience that may = have=20 caused. For those who missed the emails I sent out to LD, a = recap:
 
I have two separate CDs available from = the Santa=20 Cruz Live Looping Festival, also called Y2K3 (2003) put on by Rick = Walker and 30=20 or so other performers (not from Y2K4 (2004) which I did not record).=20
 
Volume One is subtitled "Guitars, etc."
 
Volume Two is subtitled "Percussion,=20 etc."
 
Those are general categories, as there is some of = both on=20 each, plus other methods of making music and sound, as well. These CDs = are=20 alomost 80 minutes each of great live looping sounds and music. =
 =20
The CDs are $12.00 each ($10.00 for the next 3 months if you mention = you saw=20 them on Looper's Delight. 
 
Shipping is $2.00 for one = CD and=20 $.50 extra for each additional CDs.
 
A two volume set to the = LD=20 people is $22.50, and $12.00 for one. 
 
To see the CDs = on my=20 website, and payment details, please go to:
 
http://www.santa= cruzcollage.com/Y2K3_page1.html
 
Thanks=20 for all you support and response on the Live Looping Festival Y2K3 CDs. = I=20 greatly appreciate it. Robin
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C4B902.2AE76F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 17:10:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NL9QY13790; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:09:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:09:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <156.423f47c7.2eac2257@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:08:39 EDT Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Live Looping Y2K3 CDs sent out... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1098565719" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5033 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1098565719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received the cds. But they don't play and my cd player works. I don't know. James -------------------------------1098565719 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received the cds. But they don't play and my cd player works. I don't k= now. James -------------------------------1098565719-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 17:47:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NLjtP17512; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:45:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <004701c4b947$a00c6540$a724f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: References: <156.423f47c7.2eac2257@aol.com> Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Live Looping Y2K3 CDs sent out... Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:31:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4B90C.F3274640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <3dlwtD.A.3NE.qCteBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4B90C.F3274640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James, thats not good news! I have only had that happen about 2 times in = many hundreds of diseminated CDs. And both times those same disks played = on other CD players, but for some reason did not play on a certain = individual unit. I test them on an old Harmon Kardon player from the = late 1980's. I figure if it plays on that, it will play on more modern = players.=20 Can you do me a favor and try it on other players? I certainly will soon = hear from others if there is a similar problem. (Gulp!). I used Hewlitt = Packard CDs, and usually use Maxells. Don't know if that is a problem. = They burn and play in my environment. I certainly will replace any disks = that do not play properly.=20 Keep me posted one and all on what anyone finds on compatibility of my = Y2K3 CDs. They are burned on a Yamaha CD burner in my computer, which = has given me no problems in 2 years. As I say, I will replace what does = not play. Robin ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jhsidlo@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Live Looping Y2K3 CDs sent out... I received the cds. But they don't play and my cd player works. I = don't know. James ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4B90C.F3274640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
James, thats not good news! I have only had that happen about 2 = times in=20 many hundreds of diseminated CDs. And both times those same disks played = on=20 other CD players, but for some reason did not play on a certain = individual=20 unit. I test them on an old Harmon Kardon player from the late = 1980's. I=20 figure if it plays on that, it will play on more modern players.
 
Can you do me a favor and try it on other players? I certainly will = soon=20 hear from others if there is a similar problem. (Gulp!). I used Hewlitt = Packard=20 CDs, and usually use Maxells. Don't know if that is a problem. They burn = and=20 play in my environment. I certainly will replace any disks that do not = play=20 properly.
 
Keep me posted one and all on what anyone finds on compatibility of = my Y2K3=20 CDs. They are burned on a Yamaha CD burner in my computer, which has = given me no=20 problems in 2 years. As I say, I will replace what does not play. = Robin
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jhsidlo@aol.com=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, October 23, = 2004 2:08=20 PM
Subject: Re: Santa Cruz Live = Looping Y2K3=20 CDs sent out...

I received the cds. But they don't play and my cd = player works.=20 I don't know. James ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C4B90C.F3274640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 17:55:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9NLrcX18711; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:53:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:53:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <006201c4b948$d08cf8a0$a724f604@r1x5s0> From: "Robin Haas" To: Subject: Can anyone help this looper with tech details??? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 14:39:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01C4B90E.239EB1E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C4B90E.239EB1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got this message sent to me from Job Verweijen at: esperantomusic@hotmail.com He asked me some technical data (I am not a looper) which I think some = people on LD are likely fully quailified to answer: To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: what looper to buy? > Please Mr. Haas, could you send this mail to loopers you know who play = > percussion (like the ones on the second CD of the Santa Cruz = Festival).=20 > Thanks so much!!! Best wishes, Job Verweijen... >=20 > Dear Musicians, >=20 > My name is Job, I am a 29-year-old percussionist/vocalist from The=20 > Netherlands and I want to get involved in looping. I have been reading = a lot=20 > of reports and reviews on the websites of loopers delight and harmony=20 > central. My conclusion is that either the Echoplex Digital Pro Plus or = the=20 > Elctrix Repeater is the machine I need. The big problem is I = absolutely=20 > cannot choose between those two. Both of them have pros and cons and I = > wished some company could combine the best features of both to create = the=20 > ultimate musician's looping tool for live and recording. Since that = hasn't=20 > happened yet, I need to choose. I am writing for some help on my = choice. >=20 > Let me explain how I want to use a looper. My band plays psychedelic = world=20 > jammusic. My setup consists of different percussion-instruments, most = of=20 > which are individually miked. I also use a headset-mic for vocals. In = the=20 > live situation I want to be able to play a certain groove on an = instrument=20 > like a handdrum, triangle, set of woodbocks or shaker and then loop it = and=20 > overdub another layer etc. I also want to mix in my vocals. I sing=20 > percussion-part, drumbeats and effects with my voice. Second I want to = have=20 > delay options for spacial effects on my voice and certain instruments = for a=20 > "trippy" effect. The delay times must be easily changeable. With a = looper I=20 > also want to compose loops at home and store them, so I can recall = them live=20 > with a footboard at any given moment. Third, I want the looper to = practice=20 > along side with to work on my timing, so as a advanced kind of = metronome.=20 > Fourth, I want to be able to store loops on my computer at home to=20 > manipulate/master and import effects/sound-collages etc from the = computer=20 > unto the looper. >=20 > What I concluded was that the Repeater has far more storage-space for = loops=20 > and effects (up to 256 MB). Second the unit looks much stronger and it = is=20 > stereo. Problems are there's only one layer of Undo, some problems = with=20 > internal metronome and with the sound (especially when you're using = the=20 > pitch shift). There was a very negative review by some guy named = Progster=20 > (sept 14, 2001) but some rave ones by others. >=20 > The EDP is not stereo and the unit and especially the footboard don't = look=20 > too strong. Second, it doesn't have that much memory and only = expansionable=20 > up to 198 seconds (16 MB). >=20 > So guys, please help me. What machine should I buy? And what is a = decent=20 > price to buy one second hand (on ebay or someplace else?). >=20 > Thanks so much in advance!!! >=20 > Best wishes, Job Verweijen >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C4B90E.239EB1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just got this message sent to me = from  Job Verweijen at:
 
esperantomusic@hotmail.com=
 
He asked me some technical data (I am = not a looper)=20 which I think some people on LD are likely fully quailified to=20 answer:
 
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: what looper to buy?

> Please Mr. Haas, could you send this mail to loopers = you=20 know who play
> percussion (like the ones on the second CD of the = Santa=20 Cruz Festival).
> Thanks so much!!! Best wishes, Job = Verweijen...
>=20
> Dear Musicians,
>
> My name is Job, I am a = 29-year-old=20 percussionist/vocalist from The
> Netherlands and I want to get = involved=20 in looping. I have been reading a lot
> of reports and reviews on = the=20 websites of loopers delight and harmony
> central. My conclusion = is that=20 either the Echoplex Digital Pro Plus or the
> Elctrix Repeater is = the=20 machine I need. The big problem is I absolutely
> cannot choose = between=20 those two. Both of them have pros and cons and I
> wished some = company=20 could combine the best features of both to create the
> ultimate=20 musician's looping tool for live and recording. Since that hasn't =
>=20 happened yet, I need to choose. I am writing for some help on my = choice.
>=20
> Let me explain how I want to use a looper. My band plays = psychedelic=20 world
> jammusic. My setup consists of different = percussion-instruments,=20 most of
> which are individually miked. I also use a headset-mic = for=20 vocals. In the
> live situation I want to be able to play a = certain=20 groove on an instrument
> like a handdrum, triangle, set of = woodbocks or=20 shaker and then loop it and
> overdub another layer etc. I also = want to=20 mix in my vocals. I sing
> percussion-part, drumbeats and effects = with my=20 voice. Second I want to have
> delay options for spacial effects = on my=20 voice and certain instruments for a
> "trippy" effect. The delay = times=20 must be easily changeable. With a looper I
> also want to compose = loops=20 at home and store them, so I can recall them live
> with a = footboard at=20 any given moment. Third, I want the looper to practice
> along = side with=20 to work on my timing, so as a advanced kind of metronome.
> = Fourth, I=20 want to be able to store loops on my computer at home to
>=20 manipulate/master and import effects/sound-collages etc from the = computer=20
> unto the looper.
>
> What I concluded was that the = Repeater has far more storage-space for loops
> and effects (up = to 256=20 MB). Second the unit looks much stronger and it is
> stereo. = Problems are=20 there's only one layer of Undo, some problems with
> internal = metronome=20 and with the sound (especially when you're using the
> pitch = shift).=20 There was a very negative review by some guy named Progster
> = (sept 14,=20 2001) but some rave ones by others.
>
> The EDP is not = stereo and=20 the unit and especially the footboard don't look
> too strong. = Second, it=20 doesn't have that much memory and only expansionable
> up to 198 = seconds=20 (16 MB).
>
> So guys, please help me. What machine should I = buy?=20 And what is a decent
> price to buy one second hand (on ebay or = someplace=20 else?).
>
> Thanks so much in advance!!!
>
> = Best=20 wishes, Job Verweijen
>
------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C4B90E.239EB1E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 21:48:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9O1iAL14169; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:44:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:44:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-220041002415416140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:54:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94094d1877d5d8decd89fb2fc6b212ad475350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I heard him sing it at the Fleet Center at the CSNY reunion few years back...spine-tingling stuff. > [Original Message] > From: L. Angulo > To: > Date: 10/21/2004 6:35:02 PM > Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc > > Krisper read this comments from David Crosby on music > education,when i listen to pieces like "Guinnevere" or > Deja-vu is hard to believe that David wasn´t schooled > at all.This pieces are so harmonically complex they > can teach a lesson to any highly educated composer.I > still get chills when i listen to them... > Luis > http://www.acousticguitar.com/issues/ag87/CoverStory.shtml > > > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Matthias: "while the learning really comes from > > playing, and for this, I > > contribute with instruments and music :-)" > > > > Isn't this the truth! If I could only execute half > > the theoretical music > > and jazz theory academia in my brain, I'd be.....eh, > > well, a player who > > thinks too much and plays too many notes in > > performances? ;) > > > > Seriously, however, I am a huge proponent of > > learning in music and > > applying in performance. I think many musicians, > > including myself, after > > years of growing on our instruments begin to rest on > > our laurels and > > don't push ourselves anymore. I can hear it in the > > playing of myself and > > others. After a while we become cover musicians of > > our own clichés and > > performance styles. Sure, we learn new gimmicks, > > tricks, and clichés, > > but I find that actual significant leaps in personal > > musical growth are > > difficult after playing for 25 years. It is easy to > > use gear (looping > > included) to hide behind this fact, but if we remove > > all the loops, > > gear, effects, and alterations, and then gaze upon > > the naked notes and > > raw playing, what is the net gain? If we remove the > > approving "ooohs > > and awwws" of what we've done with our technical > > savvy, what have we > > accomplished artistically? (these are rhetorical > > questions, by the way) > > > > My last big spurt was when I joined a World-Beat > > band, in which I also > > learned the sitar. I pushed myself to learn new > > harmonic textures > > (Eastern, Middle-Eastern, etc) and rhythms....and > > that learning has > > stuck with me for the long run. And several years > > before that it was > > jazz, the biggest leap in my musical vocabulary and > > expansion of my > > musical palette(again, that painting analogy) to > > eexpressmyself. One > > could ask, "who the heck cares that you can play a > > melodic minor scale a > > half step aabove an altered dominant chord to > > generate interesting > > tension and release with flat 9s, flat 5s, etc?" > > Well, at the moment, > > that bit of theory would seem pedantic, but after > > one internalizes and > > consciously "forgets" the approach during live > > performances, it can > > still influence your playing and musical vocabulary > > to express more > > effectively. It's the old saying about > > theory...learn it, internalize > > it, and then forget it. > > > > One of my guitar mentors once said in a video if you > > can just spend 10 > > minutes a day learning something new on your > > instrument, whether it is a > > new chord, scale, or improvisational technique, you > > can improve > > tremendously over time. It doesn't necessarily > > require that Julliard > > 8-hour a day routine. This is easier said than done, > > of course...at the > > end of the day, what I've done is tweaked more > > knobs, modified more > > parameters, and screwed with more MP3 files than > > actually improving as a > > musician. > > > > On accation, we should all lock ourselves in a room > > for a week with > > nothing but an acoustic instrument and tape recorder > > and see if we come > > out with something new in the end. Of course, by > > that time, some smart > > ass would have re-wired the tape recorder to be a > > looping device! Heh > > heh. > > > > ********************************* > > Krispen Hartung > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 23 22:02:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9O209616341; Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:00:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:00:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-220041002421118250@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: painting (was mp3 of G2 & EDP) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:11:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ff50b544f6838cd26869cd5e886b1a34350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "and for a nice exchange of subtle ideas, this channel is slow, I spend too much time reading and trying to find understandable words" got that right! often, however, my patience is rewarded. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 00:24:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9O4MOL32525; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:22:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:22:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041023203524.044d1eb8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 21:21:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Review of Boss RC-20XL In-Reply-To: References: <20041022015121.65184.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Scott- I have a question about something you say in your rc-20xl review. You refer to both the Echoplex and the Boomerang as not having enough loop time. The Echoplex has 3 min 18 seconds (or twice that if you used half speed). The Boomerang has 1 min 27 seconds in its highest quality mode and 4 min 16 seconds in the low quality mode (and I believe several steps in between). That's a lot of time for loops in any piece of music, considering that you would then be repeating it several times as it looped. I never see people using all that time. I think it would be pretty boring for an audience to try and watch someone create loops that long, but maybe I'm not understanding your goal. So I'm curious, what is the application where you need more time than this? The only thing I can think of would be some sort of experimental sound installation or something like that, but from your site it doesn't look like this is what you do. Do you really plan to perform with 16 minutes of loop time in a piece of music? If so, please, please, please do NOT invite me! I don't have that long of an attention span... kim > 1. Like youk, I like to loop long phrases >-----Original Message----- >From: M.C. Skwayrd [mailto:mcskwayrd@yahoo.com] >Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:51 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Review of Boss RC-20XL > > >Hi, I've written a review of my new RC-20XL Phrase >Recorder. >I've posted the review here: >http://www.scotthawley.com/rc20xlreview.html ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 01:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9O5a6u09888; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:36:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:36:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 22:35:02 -0800 From: "evikloopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com" Subject: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com Reply-to: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com To: loopers-delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Content-disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Loopers-delight-d fractious donkey eurasia devoid cometh limelight grandnephew cowan symplectic minsky adopt pestilential


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I hardly ever use mine as a phrase sampler. The Repeater is a great phrase sampler whose recording capabilities are only limited by the size of the CFC you´re using. Store your favourite loops on a card and use somebody else´s unitz instead when you go abroad. If you want to go into mangling your loops, the Repeater seems the better choice. The EDP is, like the Jam Man, my favourite when it comes to creating long delay loops that start building layer upon layer after a while, something you can do with the Repeater but the layering is limited by the size of the CFC you´re using (and you always have to tell it when you want it to overdub). After all, the choice of your tools greatly depends on your applications and the musical style you´re into (I´ve created albums with just a Repeater and a couple of EDPs and Jam Men). Groetjes, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Job Verweijen" To: Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: Repeater or EDP > Dear Musicians, > > My name is Job, I am a 29-year-old percussionist/vocalist from The > Netherlands and I want to get involved in looping. I have been reading a lot > of reports and reviews on the websites of loopers delight and harmony > central. My conclusion is that either the Echoplex Digital Pro Plus or the > Elctrix Repeater is the machine I need. The big problem is I absolutely > cannot choose between those two. Both of them have pros and cons and I > wished some company could combine the best features of both to create the > ultimate musician's looping tool for live and recording. Since that hasn't > happened yet, I need to choose. I am writing for some help on my choice. > > Let me explain how I want to use a looper. My band plays psychedelic world > jammusic. My setup consists of different percussion-instruments, most of > which are individually miked. I also use a headset-mic for vocals. In the > live situation I want to be able to play a certain groove on an instrument > like a handdrum, triangle, set of woodbocks or shaker and then loop it and > overdub another layer etc. I also want to mix in my vocals. I sing > percussion-part, drumbeats and effects with my voice. Second I want to have > delay options for spacial effects on my voice and certain instruments for a > "trippy" effect. The delay times must be easily changeable. With a looper I > also want to compose loops at home and store them, so I can recall them live > with a footboard at any given moment. Third, I want the looper to practice > along side with to work on my timing, so as a advanced kind of metronome. > Fourth, I want to be able to store loops on my computer at home to > manipulate/master and import effects/sound-collages etc from the computer > unto the looper. > > What I concluded was that the Repeater has far more storage-space for loops > and effects (up to 256 MB). Second the unit looks much stronger and it is > stereo. Problems are there's only one layer of Undo, some problems with > internal metronome and with the sound (especially when you're using the > pitch shift). There was a very negative review by some guy named Progster > (sept 14, 2001) but some rave ones by others. > > The EDP is not stereo and the unit and especially the footboard don't look > too strong. Second, it doesn't have that much memory and only expansionable > up to 198 seconds (16 MB). > > So guys, please help me. What machine should I buy? And what is a decent > price to buy one second hand (on ebay or someplace else?). > > Thanks so much in advance!!! > > Best wishes, Job Verweijen > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Zoeken helpt je om de gekste dingen te vinden! http://search.msn.nl > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 06:22:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OAL6L12055; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:21:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:21:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <000201c4b9a2$fe609700$35a2fe91@synthhost> References: <000201c4b9a2$fe609700$35a2fe91@synthhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <50DEE0EF-25A6-11D9-857A-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:20:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9OAKTa11916 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 23, 2004, at 20:22, wavecomputer360 wrote: > The EDP is, like > the Jam Man, my favourite when it comes to creating long delay loops > that > start building layer upon layer after a while, something you can do > with the > Repeater but the layering is limited by the size of the CFC you´re > using > (and you always have to tell it when you want it to overdub). But if you overdub record into the same loop there is no such limitation with the Repeater. Regarding the EDP I just want to mention its unique capability to slice audio input and insert quantized chunks into the spinning loop. No other machine or software I know of can do this in real-time. As demonstrated in this audio example using three live sound sources: (1) electric guitar, (2) EDP and (3) drum loops. http://www.looproom.com/audio/edp_strat_01.mp3 Job, I tend to agree with Stephen that since you want to prepare loops in advance the Repeater is the better choice. It can also time-stretch to match different tempi which the EDP can't. The EDP has more the character of an instrument to be played. / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 07:18:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OBFkG17888; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:15:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:15:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Can anyone help this looper with tech details??? Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:18:35 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c4b9bb$34b92bb0$0601a8c0@SATAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4B9CB.F8499CD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <006201c4b948$d08cf8a0$a724f604@r1x5s0> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4B9CB.F8499CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't that what all of us are wishing for? Welcome to the club, Job! Rainer Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de The Straschill Family Group - www.straschill.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de Eclectic Blah - www.eblah.de -----Original Message----- From: Robin Haas [mailto:rob@robinhaas.com] Sent: Samstag, 23. Oktober 2004 23:40 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Can anyone help this looper with tech details??? I just got this message sent to me from Job Verweijen at: > Dear Musicians, > > My name is Job, I am a 29-year-old percussionist/vocalist from The > Netherlands and I want to get involved in looping. I have been reading a lot > of reports and reviews on the websites of loopers delight and harmony > central. My conclusion is that either the Echoplex Digital Pro Plus or the > Elctrix Repeater is the machine I need. The big problem is I absolutely > cannot choose between those two. Both of them have pros and cons and I > wished some company could combine the best features of both to create the > ultimate musician's looping tool for live and recording. Since that hasn't > happened yet, I need to choose. I am writing for some help on my choice. > [...] ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4B9CB.F8499CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Isn't=20 that what all of us are wishing for? Welcome to the club,=20 Job!
 
       =20 Rainer
 
Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill
Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - = www.moinlabs.de
The = Straschill Family Group=20 - www.straschill.de
digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robin Haas=20 [mailto:rob@robinhaas.com]
Sent: Samstag, 23. Oktober 2004=20 23:40
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Can=20 anyone help this looper with tech details???

I just got this message sent to me = from =20 Job Verweijen = at:
 
> Dear Musicians,
>
> My name is Job, I am a = 29-year-old=20 percussionist/vocalist from The
> Netherlands and I want to get = involved in looping. I have been reading a lot
> of reports and = reviews=20 on the websites of loopers delight and harmony
> central. My = conclusion=20 is that either the Echoplex Digital Pro Plus or the
> Elctrix = Repeater=20 is the machine I need. The big problem is I absolutely
> cannot = choose=20 between those two. Both of them have pros and cons and I
> = wished some=20 company could combine the best features of both to create the
> = ultimate musician's looping tool for live and recording. Since that = hasn't=20
> happened yet, I need to choose. I am writing for some help on = my=20 choice.
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C4B9CB.F8499CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 12:19:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OGGmh22738; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:16:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:16:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041023203524.044d1eb8@loopers-delight.com> References: <20041022015121.65184.qmail@web54603.mail.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20041023203524.044d1eb8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: Review of Boss RC-20XL Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:15:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Kim I can't answer for Scott obviously but as a happy rc20xl user... The 16 mins is wonderful because you can build up to 11 different - much smaller loops... without having to save them to disk or whatever its very portable I'm sure the Echoplex and Boomerang have plenty of recording time to do wonderful things with the little rc20xl has 16mins - and that's great too! Best Piers -- ================================================================== Piers Gibbon ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.piersgibbon.com | piers@piersgibbon.com ================================================================== On Oct 24, 2004, at 5:21 am, Kim Flint wrote: > Hi Scott- > > I have a question about something you say in your rc-20xl review. > > You refer to both the Echoplex and the Boomerang as not having enough > loop time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 12:35:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OGXd425947; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:33:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:33:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410241118.i9OBIur18257@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410241118.i9OBIur18257@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <615086FC-25DA-11D9-AE32-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:33:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Job, The other thing to remember is that the Repeater is no longer in production, so it's really hard to find, especially outside the US. The EDP is "in production", and it's really hard to find, especially outside the US. Also, there's a Repeater group on Yahoo! that you might want to check out. TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 12:39:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OGanv26669; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:36:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:36:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig notice (Seattle): Travis Hartnett Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:36:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Two acoustic guitar live looping shows this week in Seattle: Oct. 25, Tuesday, 7-9PM Living Room (4301 Fremont Ave. N.) Oct. 30, Saturday, 8PM Trabant Chai House (1309 NE 45th St.) (with Electric Shades Of Blue) The new CD will be available at the show. Travis Hartnett *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 16:39:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OKbB227476; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:37:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:37:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: Talk boxes etc. Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:38:40 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20041021194108.3763.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://www.olywa.net/blame/talkbox.htm They only mention: "Keep Talking" from Pink Floyd's The Division Bell Listen to David Gilmour's talkbox mastery at the end of the song. Like many guitarists, Gilmour runs a distorted signal into the talkbox for a more flowing lead sound. (Recommendation by Max from Italy) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 21. Oktober 2004 21:41 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Talk boxes etc. > > > Talking about breathing instruments, is anybody using > talk boxes in their loop shows? i just recently got > one(the s.talker) although i am still having a bit of > problems with feedback.I would like to know how David > Gilmour got those wicked talk box sounds on the > Animals album sounds like a combination of wah wah and > talk box together... > Luis > > > > > > > > --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > Just a reflection on this instrument: I recently > > bought a Jew's Harp > > and found out that you can also play it while > > "beatboxing" by using > > your tongue to "spit" or "suck" "air shots" into > > they the harp (while > > it's vibrating the usual way). I also tried the reed > > player trick to > > "groaw" the sound by singing and it kind of works > > with a jew's harp > > (but not in the same way as bamboo reed > > instruments). > > > > If you have a jew's harp around, try to keep the > > basic rhythm with your > > right hand, striking it on 8th notes, and then add > > syncoped "drum > > solos" by tongue shots. This is very inspiring for > > looping! Myself I > > have to practice it a little more before > > incorporating it in my live > > looping. Just my 2 cents.... ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > --- > > http://www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > > > > > > > ===== > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 16:43:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OKfDV28445; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:41:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:41:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Todays mp3's of software looping Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:40:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Today I had some fun recording with my brand new software live looping set-up. Posted two mp3's: http://www.looproom.com/audio/ Three_Loopers_In_Mountains_Pine_Forrest+.mp3 http://www.looproom.com/audio/Three_Loopers_In_High_Woods.mp3 For those interested, here's a short description of how it's working: What you hear is three instances of AU plug-in Augustus Loop, in Numerology as host application. While playing the saxophone I was using a FCB1010 midi pedal board to control in which ways Numerology's sequencers should manipulate the three loops. Parameters tweaked are loop pitch, loop length, reverse loop, loop overdub, loop overdub feedback, loop filter cut-off, sequencer beat division and sequencer step length. An Evolution UC-33 midi mixer is also used for mixing levels and some Numerology controlling. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 17:46:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OLieK03783; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:44:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:44:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.2e128f8f.2ead7bf6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:43:18 EDT Subject: recording medium (for loops only of course) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d7.2e128f8f.2ead7bf6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1d7.2e128f8f.2ead7bf6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when my philips cd recorder worked i had to use "AUDIO" CDs now that i got this snazzbo e-mac what should i use to make cds?.....is there a difference?.....i need to record and i have nothing to record to.....thanks.....michael --part1_1d7.2e128f8f.2ead7bf6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when my philips cd r= ecorder worked i had to use "AUDIO" CDs now that i got this snazzbo e-mac wh= at should i use to make cds?.....is there a difference?.....i need to record= and i have nothing to record to.....thanks.....michael --part1_1d7.2e128f8f.2ead7bf6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 17:55:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9OLrEY04804; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:53:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:53:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <78.64434088.2ead7e30@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:52:48 EDT Subject: Re: recording medium (for loops only of course) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/24/04 2:43:49 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << i need to record and i have nothing to record to >> Hi I'm not sure I understand your question. Can't you just record onto the hard drive? BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 19:08:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ON6dj13404; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:06:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:06:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <143.368e67e9.2ead8f49@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:05:45 EDT Subject: Y2K3 cds To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1098659145" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5033 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com -------------------------------1098659145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although they wouldn't play on my cd player. They did play on my dvd player??? Nice work and thanks to Robin for his time and effort!!! Peace, James -------------------------------1098659145 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Although they wouldn't play on my cd player. They did play on my= dvd player??? Nice work and thanks to Robin for his time and effort!!!
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;         Peace, James
-------------------------------1098659145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 19:08:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9ON6Mb13254; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: recording medium (for loops only of course) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:04:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c4ba1d$c2cd7840$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <78.64434088.2ead7e30@aol.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2GHlvC.A.4KD.tUDfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If I understand your question, you are asking whether you NEED to use 'audio' cd's to record to on your new e-mac. The answer, essentially, is NO. Audio CD's were developed to sooth the sore asses of the recording industry big wigs, who complained that, by giving consumers the ability to instantly copy music compact discs on a consumer 'deck', that they would be losing lots of money. (Duhhh...let kids loose in the candy store and then complain they've had too much sugar? No shit.) So, to appease the industry folks, and give the consumers the technology they wanted, 'audio' cd's were developed. And the consumer decks were programmed that they would only use the 'audio' cd's. At the time of original release, the audio cd's were slightly more expensive, with the extra dough supposedly going to the industry folks in reparation for them getting 'ripped off' by the ensuing copying that would then unfold. Computer CD-R technology was developing right along side this, but no such restrictions were applied. So, copying 'data' or 'audio' on a computer didn't matter, it was just copying 0's and 1's, essentially. You could use any CD-R on a computer to duplicate information. Now that home computers have essentially become the media center of a lot of homes, rather than the 'stereo' system, the audio cd's have become a bit of an orphan format, except for those folks who bought into the CD duplicator decks early on (as I did) and still have them in use. Now, you can also use those 'audio' CD's in your computer...no problem...so with your new eMac, if you've got leftover 'audio' CDR's around, use 'em! That's about the story from my understanding, whatever that amounts to! :) Best, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aptrev@aol.com [mailto:Aptrev@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 2:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: recording medium (for loops only of course) In a message dated 10/24/04 2:43:49 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << i need to record and i have nothing to record to >> Hi I'm not sure I understand your question. Can't you just record onto the hard drive? BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 __________ NOD32 1.877 (20040925) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 20:10:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9P08dX21063; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:08:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:08:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.4e71bad0.2ead9d7d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:06:21 EDT Subject: Re: recording medium (for loops only of course) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.4e71bad0.2ead9d7d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12f.4e71bad0.2ead9d7d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/24/04 5:53:04 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes: > Can't you just record onto the hard > drive? > yepper.....i want to make cds afterwards though and i was wondering what worked best.....michael --part1_12f.4e71bad0.2ead9d7d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/24/04 5:53:04 PM, Aptrev@aol.com writes:


Can't you just record onto the=20= hard
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yepper.....i want to make cds afterwards though and i was wondering what wor= ked best.....michael
--part1_12f.4e71bad0.2ead9d7d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 20:23:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9P0LLE22752; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:21:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:21:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <154.4263ef3a.2eada07a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:19:06 EDT Subject: Re: recording medium (for loops only of course) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: <5s-vz.A.6bF.EaEfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/24/04 5:07:42 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << i want to make cds afterwards though and i was wondering what worked best. >> Then Rich's reply speaks to the issue. I don't know if there are consumer surveys for cd-r ratings but just FYI, I bought a spindle of 100 Memorex cd-r (700MB at 48x) and about half of them did not work because of sector or medium errors. I have had better luck with Maxell. BobC www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 20:37:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9P0Yeg24762; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:34:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:34:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: anyone know who this is in this thread? Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:33:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kaki King perhaps? -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:26 AM To: Loop Folk Subject: anyone know who this is in this thread? http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=763531 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 24 23:12:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9P39jW09087; Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:09:45 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:09:45 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <417C6E56.3070007@iinet.net.au> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:09:10 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: lucifer is a looper? new looping vst... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0wpvuD.A.lMC.V5GfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, I'm pretty sure the divine machine vst has been mentioned on the list before. It appears they have just brought out a new vst that may or may not be a looper. can't test it until i get to the studio tonight, and the website gives no specs or details regarding the live input capabilites but this is from the site (http://www.devine-machine.com/LuciferInfo.htm): Lucifer is a VST FX which takes Audio Notes as input. To use Lucifer, you need to first route Audio to/from the plugin and send it MIDI notes during operation. Repeat, Gate, Stutter and Scratch a live input or audio track on the fly! Lucifer has been desgined to be well-suited for live performance and DJ's, allowing BPM to be set by tapping along on a key (C key). Features: - Host BPM / manual Tap BPM sync - 6 Incarn graphs (pan/vol/scratch/distort/cut/res) - scratch/stutter/reverse audio on-the-fly - run multiple instances! - additonal FX (spread/groove/bounce/gate) - 4 filter modes (LPF, BPF, HPF, Notch) - Infinite Lock-repeat - Stereo operation with DJ-type crossfader has anybody tried out the demo? i imagine it only uses a small audio buffer (no minute long looping here?) but still looks kind of fun... cheers michael noble http://looplog.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 04:18:17 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9P8Ful09013; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:15:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 04:15:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <417C6E56.3070007@iinet.net.au> References: <417C6E56.3070007@iinet.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: lucifer is a looper? new looping vst... Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:15:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1Mfzx.A.iLC.QYLfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 25, 2004, at 5:09, mjnoble wrote: > I'm pretty sure the divine machine vst has been mentioned on the list > before. It appears they have just brought out a new vst that may or > may not be a looper. can't test it until i get to the studio tonight, > and the website gives no specs or details regarding the live input > capabilites but this is from the site > (http://www.devine-machine.com/LuciferInfo.htm): Can't wait to hear... > has anybody tried out the demo? Unfortunately the demo is not available as AU, so I can't run it here with my usual software. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 09:30:53 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PDSLI15940; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:28:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:28:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1098710791!22522902!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E0F@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: anyone know who this is in this thread? Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:18:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4BA95.148D8950" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BA95.148D8950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php? > s=&threadid=763531 A bit down that thread it says "KT Tunstall". Appears to be a Scottish singer-songwriter. A gig review here http://www.capercaillie.co.uk/discuss/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1434 and some photos here http://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/others2004/secretgarden/photos- KTTunstall.shtml. Unfortunately no pictures of her pedals.<< this young lady was on jools holland's show (in the UK) last friday night. I thought "oh no, here's the token newcomer/folkie"..... until she started. she began the piece by slapping the front face of her acoustic guitar a few times & only when she lurched forward to hit the pedal did I realise what was going on. using a single loop, she added guitar noises (string-wipes), tambourine hits, vocal phrases..... by the end of the piece, this had all become quite dense, but still perfectly intelligible, & I was shouting at the t.v. so... there were two pedals. one of them looked like a boss tuner (white, boss-sized). the other.... could've been EH, had a green l.e.d. on it.... really didn't get a good look at it. presumably she had some way of feeding both her mic & the guitar into this thing, but I saw no other outboard or indeed cabling. so maybe she just uses the one mic. anyone else know anything? great song too. d/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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> http://acapella.harmony-central.com/for= ums/showthread.php?
> s=3D&threadid=3D763531

A bit down that thread it says "KT Tunstall". A= ppears to be a Scottish 
singer-songwriter. A gig review here 
http://www.capercaillie.co.uk/d= iscuss/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3D1434  
and some photos here 
http://www.efestivals.co.uk/fes= tivals/others2004/secretgarden/photos-
KTTunstall.shtml. Unfortunately no pictures of her pedal= s.<<

this young lady was on jools holland's show (in the UK) l= ast friday night.
I thought "oh no, here's the token newcomer/folkie&= quot;..... until she started. she began the piece by slapping the front fac= e of her acoustic guitar a few times & only when she lurched forward to= hit the pedal did I realise what was going on.

using a single loop, she added guitar noises (string-wipe= s), tambourine hits, vocal phrases..... by the end of the piece, this had a= ll become quite dense, but still perfectly intelligible, & I was shouti= ng at the t.v.

so... there were two pedals. one of them looked like a bo= ss tuner (white, boss-sized). the other.... could've been EH, had a green l= .e.d. on it.... really didn't get a good look at it. presumably she had som= e way of feeding both her mic & the guitar into this thing, but I saw n= o other outboard or indeed cabling. so maybe she just uses the one mic.

anyone else know anything? great song too.

d/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BA95.148D8950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 09:43:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PDfGs18175; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:41:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:41:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1098711584!22493035!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E10@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: KT Tunstall Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:31:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4BA96.EFDF3520" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BA96.EFDF3520 Content-Type: text/plain here we go: >>Prepare for the HEADRUSH!! For it is the name of a new pedal i've just started using and my, it's a wee beauty. I can record live drum loops by bashing my guitar, add percussion with trusty tambourine, hand claps, backing vocals, and as long as i press the right buttons at the right time, i have a little Taiwanese band playing along with me. Supros Dupre.<< (from the young lady's website diary) d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BA96.EFDF3520 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: KT Tunstall

here we go:

>>Prepare for the HEADRUSH!! For it is the name of = a new pedal i've just started using and my, it's a wee beauty. I can record= live drum loops by bashing my guitar, add percussion with trusty tambourin= e, hand claps, backing vocals, and as long as i press the right buttons at = the right time, i have a little Taiwanese band playing along with me. Supro= s Dupre.<<

(from the young lady's website diary)

d.

 



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BA96.EFDF3520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 11:47:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PFj1Y03343; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:45:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:45:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <417C6E56.3070007@iinet.net.au> References: <417C6E56.3070007@iinet.net.au> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:23:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: Re: lucifer is a looper? new looping vst... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 11:09 AM +0800 10/25/04, mjnoble wrote: >I'm pretty sure the divine machine vst has been mentioned on the >list before. It appears they have just brought out a new vst that >may or may not be a looper. can't test it until i get to the studio >tonight, and the website gives no specs or details regarding the >live input capabilites but this is from the site >(http://www.devine-machine.com/LuciferInfo.htm): > >Lucifer is a VST FX which takes Audio Notes as input. >To use Lucifer, you need to first route Audio to/from the plugin and >send it MIDI notes during operation. I received a personal demo of devine machine from Steve Duda last year. It was most impressive, though for PC only. A primary orientation was live performance of sliced loops. -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 12:27:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PGP6Z09211; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:25:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:25:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.41] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Idea for insert(and more HELP!) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:23:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_7c1b_73da_2b2c" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2004 16:24:04.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B236A50:01C4BAAF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_7c1b_73da_2b2c Content-Type: text/html

Hi all

I just think I came across a new trick for incorporating into my home made pedal.

 

I acidentally placed my FC-7 into the feedback jack instead of the footpeadal jack. I noticed that when i pressed record the front panel showed feedback moving instantly from 127 to 0.

My mind started to spin!!!!!

if I rigged up a jack socket on my new pedal with two different options in parrallel ( is this possible anyone ?? ) with one going to the potentiometer know for full anologue style control and the other going to a 0k ohm momentary switch, I could use this as basically as a "poor mans insert" button as pressiing it should (if my theory is correct ) reduce feedback all the way when pressed and restore it to full when released.

could some clever individual(s) check my homework here to see if it all adds up!!!!

I am also still looking for an answer regarding the type of switches I need

single pole OR double pole,
single throw OR double throw

and also if you can use the a momentary button going (separatly to the regular seven buttons that include overdub) into the  overdub jack to get an extra sustain function overdub feature, or will they both just act the same??? 

A big thanks to anyone who can find them selves in a position to answer any of these questions and thanks for your time,

I promise when I finally built this mother of a pedal I will share all that I have learned via a new pedal building page that I will submit to the site.

Ta Muchley

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

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Enjoy the awesome learning power of Encarta® at your fingertips when you subscribe to MSN® Encarta Premium. ------=_NextPart_000_7c1b_73da_2b2c Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Message-Info: StaYHEBmGBqp9WOXWN+AMOZrZfDYNUVc224udTp1F8o= Received: from mc4-f19.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.155]) by mc4-s12.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:38:35 -0700 Received: from hemlock.violacea.com ([207.228.238.9]) by mc4-f19.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:38:34 -0700 Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9MFZRQ09238; Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:35:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:35:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [212.219.207.42] X-Originating-Email: [testtubemicro@hotmail.com] X-Sender: testtubemicro@hotmail.com From: "lol c" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Pedal Options (buttons) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:34:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2004 15:35:07.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5B6D520:01C4B84C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Return-Path: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com



Hi all

I am still plugging away at my own homebrewed pedal for the edp, i have most of the things i need in place now, i have found the buttons that I like, however as with many stages of this build I have been presented with more options then I knew the answer to.

it seems to be there are multipul optins of

single pole, double pole,
single throw, double throw

momentary, latching etc

I know I need a momentary type but i dont really know about the other two sets of two options.

can someone point me to what im looking for for controlling the edp.

 

thanks
Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface)

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Enjoy the awesome learning power of Encarta® at your fingertips when you subscribe to MSN® Encarta Premium. ------=_NextPart_000_7c1b_73da_2b2c-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 13:29:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PHR2416889; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:27:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:27:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:24:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2004 17:25:03.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[9012F700:01C4BAB7] Resent-Message-ID: <2aRgE.A.XDE.1bTfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Job- I'm a percussionist and I own both the repeater and the EDP. If I might try, I think I can boil down the personality of the two machines into a basic statement. Certainly this is a generalization, but perhaps it helps you decide which fits your musical personality best. EDP: live oriented looper, no ability to prerecord or save loops, but has fantastic real time processing features. REPEATER: has limited live performance features, but shines in its unique ability to save and recall loops (and pitch/tempo shift them). If I had to own only one of the two, it would be the EDP. It fits my musical personality and just does everything I could possibly want it to. Jon > Dear Musicians, > > My name is Job, I am a 29-year-old percussionist/vocalist from The > Netherlands and I want to get involved in looping. I have been reading a > lot of reports and reviews on the websites of loopers delight and harmony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 13:44:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PHfrc18756; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:41:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:41:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <12B3C30A-26AD-11D9-A792-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:41:16 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just my two cents worth.. if money is tight...as a starter you might consider getting the BOSS RC20XL for less than a quarter of the cost of EDP - its a lot of fun..and if you upgrade later to the EDP/repeater...fine!..I think you will still enjoy also having the portability and loop-storeability of the Boss - as a toy ; ) anyway - apologies if something in your longer post means that the Boss is innappropriate..I'm away from my desktop at the moment Best Piers -- ================================================================== Piers Gibbon ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.piersgibbon.com | piers@piersgibbon.com On Oct 25, 2004, at 6:24 pm, jondrums wrote: > Job- > > I'm a percussionist and I own both the repeater and the EDP. If I > might try, I think I can boil down the personality of the two machines > into a basic statement. Certainly this is a generalization, but > perhaps it helps you decide which fits your musical personality best. > > EDP: live oriented looper, no ability to prerecord or save loops, but > has fantastic real time processing features. > REPEATER: has limited live performance features, but shines in its > unique ability to save and recall loops (and pitch/tempo shift them). > > If I had to own only one of the two, it would be the EDP. It fits my > musical personality and just does everything I could possibly want it > to. > > Jon > >> Dear Musicians, >> >> My name is Job, I am a 29-year-old percussionist/vocalist from The >> Netherlands and I want to get involved in looping. I have been >> reading a lot of reports and reviews on the websites of loopers >> delight and harmony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 14:34:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PIWYQ25352; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:32:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:32:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Terra-Karma: 0% X-Terra-Hash: a1594a4525006240835d13346a5e027d Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <417817D2.1000306@biink.com> References: <20041021194940.54816.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> <417817D2.1000306@biink.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:02:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >L. Angulo wrote: > >>Try playing the guitar in a different tuning and you >>are born again guitarrist! >> > >Works for me. not so much for me. I find some music pretty quickly on any instrument or tuning, and its interesting what comes out. the instrument itself is a great source of inspiration. The non-instrument (voice, body sounds) even more! but mostly I love to just let go and get the notes I have in mind, so for this the instrument needs to be profoundly tuned with the player. It great to speak a lot of languages, but you got your motherlanguage to develop and an accent which people hopefully like a I think we should see licks and stuff we are used to mostly as a treasure. There is no need to vary the language a lot, just enritch. Sure, some of the said exercises can help to this. But if you feel ok to just play the same kind of stuff over and over again, you probably note that it ends up changing anyway... more evolution than revolution :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 14:36:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PIYPO25806; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:34:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:34:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Which Looper to Employ (was Repeater or EDP) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:32:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <12B3C30A-26AD-11D9-A792-000393DEFA0C@piersgibbon.com> Thread-Index: AcS6ujBJuAB/5vNzR+SnhBZ45r5I8AABC6eQ Message-Id: <20041025183213.NOLL4024.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I have been buying lots of delay pedals since discovering this site four years ago! And currently have two EDPS--but here's the deal . . . I have the opportunity to play out (gig) here in my home town of San Diego with various musicians, usually completely unrehearsed, many times using battery powered amps. I have found the RC-20 to be useful in these situations, in a way no other looper in my collection can match. No loop windowing or feedback, tho-- Look at what KT Tunstall does with a Headrush! Job's requirements point toward a Repeater-- I don't think anyone can go wrong with an Echoplex Digital Pro--but Nemoguitt does quite well with a Boomerang--Stanitarium has a huge number of loopers, but I think he usually plays out with the Lexicon PCM delay. Rick Walker has a Repeater and and EDP, but usually winds up using the DL-4 for lots of his looping. If Kaki King is using an RC-20, imagine what an EDP would do for her! Gary PS When is Warren Sirota's software looper going to see the light of day? Any reviews from his performance at Y2K4? G ---Original Message----- From: Piers Gibbon suggested: Just my two cents worth.. if money is tight...as a starter you might consider getting the BOSS RC20XL for less than a quarter of the cost of EDP - its a lot of fun..and if you upgrade later to the EDP/repeater...fine!..I think you will still enjoy also having the portability and loop-storeability of the Boss - as a toy ; ) On Oct 25, 2004, at 6:24 pm, jondrums wrote: > EDP: live oriented looper, no ability to prerecord or save loops, but > has fantastic real time processing features. > REPEATER: has limited live performance features, but shines in its > unique ability to save and recall loops (and pitch/tempo shift them). > > If I had to own only one of the two, it would be the EDP. It fits my > musical personality and just does everything I could possibly want it > to. > > Jon > >> Dear Musicians, >> >> My name is Job, I am a 29-year-old percussionist/vocalist from The >> Netherlands and I want to get involved in looping. I have been >> reading a lot of reports and reviews on the websites of loopers >> delight and harmony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 15:21:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PJJP231266; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:19:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:19:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Francois Lebrun" To: Subject: pBoy's Cd Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:16:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c4bac7$36a27050$f9ae9d53@frle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello folks, I just listened to Per's CD Organisational Culture Loops And I want to say I really liked it. Excellent music, sound, loops, production, voice and texts, it's a very nice piece and I strongly recommend it to you all. Cheers Francois check my CD Early Wanderings on http://www.cdbaby.com/1000times visit http://www.loopers-delight.com/loop.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 16:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PKD6R06241; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:13:06 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:13:06 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041025201115.94433.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com last night i detuned my guitar to DADGAD and started searching for chords that would fit Hendrixs little wing.When i finally did the tune sounded so much more inspiring that i am going to try to adapt the chords i found in DADGAD back to the standard tuning because i don´t want to spend too much time detuning my guitar on stage. for me is basically finding the sounds that give me chills or add a refreshing air to what ive been playing a long time...but yes i dont think that would work with spanish and german;-) Luis > It great to speak a lot of languages, but you got > your motherlanguage > to develop and an accent which people hopefully like > a > > I think we should see licks and stuff we are used to > mostly as a treasure. > There is no need to vary the language a lot, just > enritch. Sure, some > of the said exercises can help to this. > But if you feel ok to just play the same kind of > stuff over and over > again, you probably note that it ends up changing > anyway... > more evolution than revolution :-) > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 16:43:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PKfNl10489; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:41:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:41:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041025203915.58641.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:39:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: anyone know who this is in this thread? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E0F@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com By the description in the thread of the two switches and the red and green LED, I'd agree with the person who said she uses a Headrush. However, I do know that earlier this year she added another (unspecified) looping pedal, since she mentions in her website journal trying to get up to speed using it before its debut gig. Hell, maybe I'll ask her myself; there's a 'contact' field on her site. (Tim steps forward from his pack of looping chums at the bar, boldly and confidently strides towards the lady looper, notices that maybe she looks busy, hesitates, doesn't want to be a nuisance, reconsiders, slinks back to the bar for another beer...) -t- --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > so... there were two pedals. one of them looked like > a boss tuner (white, boss-sized). the other.... > could've been EH, had a green l.e.d. on it.... > really didn't get a good look at it. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 16:53:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PKpdb12439; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:51:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:51:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: In-Reply-To: <200410232156.i9NLu0u19262@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410232156.i9NLu0u19262@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <632DEFD6-26C7-11D9-96C6-0003931DE510@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: soam From: Os Subject: Re: Problems Using Ableton Live As A Live Looper Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:49:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi, what's stopping you from getting Augustus Loop to loop for a few bars? If the beat divisor is set to 1/4, then 16 beats should give you 4 bars. if you set the beat divisor to 1/1, then the beats setting gives you whole numbers of bars. NB you also have to have the 'host tempo' button pressed. You'd also need to have the 'max delay' setting high enough to give you a delay of at least the length of your number of bars. contact me off-list or on the augustus loop forum if you'd prefer. cheers, os. (expert sleepers) > From: soam > Date: 23 October 2004 17:08:52 BST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Problems Using Ableton Live As A Live Looper > > I can't get Augustus Loop to loop for a few bars, even if i put "16" > in "beats". os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 17:07:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PL6Mt14719; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:06:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:06:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041025210428.9520.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: anyone know who this is in this thread? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041025203915.58641.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: > By the description in the thread of the two switches > and the red and green LED, I'd agree with the person > who said she uses a Headrush. Dern it, I shoulda read Duncan's 2nd post before I answered his first one; I just emailed Ms. Tunstall to ask her about her looper(s) and signal path. Oh well, maybe she'll join the list :) Re: the Headrush, I've had mine since the week they first came out, and I use it as much as any of my other loopers (DL-4, EchoPro, RC-20, rack delays). It's simple and it sounds good. I actually really like the "undo all but the base layer" function and find it musically useful very often. -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 17:45:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PLi0l20091; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:44:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:44:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Learning in Music, etc Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:43:08 -0600 Message-ID: <005701c4badb$a18b6d90$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Resent-Message-ID: <8Ws6e.A.M4E._NXfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I once tuned a spare guitar to 5ths, like a violin...similar to how Fripp tuned his guitars (I started at a low Bb and still felt as if my neck was going to pull off its bolts). It produced a lot of interesting chords and scales, especially if I used my prior fingering for them, but other than this, I thought the learning experience just threw me back in time to the rudiments and was a waste of time. In short, speaking for myself, it was just another "gimmick" to hide the fact that I had lost motivation to learn on my current setup. In my opinion, there is plenty of learning potential on the guitar fretboard with standard tuning. My only excuse for not learning is laziness and lack of motivation. Wheneve I think that I have reached the end of learning on the guitar, I jus remind myself that I can find about 3000 pages of new material that will keep me busy for 25 years, and not just theory, but real, practical work. Taking on new instruments is fun...I have the sitar, tablas, and tongue drum in my studio now, which I play when I'm bored with the guitar. My first instrument was the flute, a age 9, then the sax. However, learning new instruments generates a lot of breadth of learning and experience, but not necessarily depth and mastery in a single instrument. I just had to face the cold and hard fact that going into more depth on the guitar is not easy, nor is it always fun....which lends to the lack of motivation. It requires serious focus, stamina, and just rolling up one's sleeves and making it a top priority. When I'm working 10-14 hours a day for a fortune 500 company and trying to maintain a healthy family life, this priority doesn't always rise to the top. Sometimes just making beautiful music, regardless of whether it pushes me and I'm learning more, is what I need to make it through the week. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Learning in Music, etc >L. Angulo wrote: > >>Try playing the guitar in a different tuning and you >>are born again guitarrist! >> > >Works for me. not so much for me. I find some music pretty quickly on any instrument or tuning, and its interesting what comes out. the instrument itself is a great source of inspiration. The non-instrument (voice, body sounds) even more! but mostly I love to just let go and get the notes I have in mind, so for this the instrument needs to be profoundly tuned with the player. It great to speak a lot of languages, but you got your motherlanguage to develop and an accent which people hopefully like a I think we should see licks and stuff we are used to mostly as a treasure. There is no need to vary the language a lot, just enritch. Sure, some of the said exercises can help to this. But if you feel ok to just play the same kind of stuff over and over again, you probably note that it ends up changing anyway... more evolution than revolution :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 19:13:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9PNAh931549; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:10:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:10:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041025230858.66593.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:08:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in this thread?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041025210428.9520.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Tim Nelson wrote: >I just emailed Ms. Tunstall > to ask her about her looper(s) and signal path ...and she got back to me amazingly quickly! Here's what she said: ___________________ Hi Tim! I think a) i should put this info on the site as lots of techno-loopy-boys are asking me this question and b) i should ask AKAI for some SERIOUS endorsement! I use an AKAI headrush 2, split my vocal & guitar and feed the parallel outputs into a little desk to fix the levels going into the pedal(which can be a bit unreliable), anf front of house then gets a clean vocal & guitar, and the loop. I'll post my little drawing on the site soon as i can... I'm very pleased i'm causing a stir in boy toy land! Cheers, KT x ______________________ BTW, her site is -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 20:03:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9Q02Jd05796; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:02:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 20:02:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "mathieu" To: Subject: line splitter/mixer Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:02:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <20041025230858.66593.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, I know this has sort of been discussed recently, but i have a few more questions. I'm in the new process of re-wiring my set up, to include a pcm42. anyway, i want to be able to split the signal coming out of the preamp into three to feed different units, and then sent the signal to a mixer and then to the pwer amp. i have been doing a bit of research and it seems that the rane sm26b and the beringher ultralink mx882 could sort me out. i'm sure people on this list have used these units before, so any feedback is very much appreciated. given the capabilities of both units, i should be able to combine the channels so that i could have 3/4 outputs and 3/4 inputs, so that i could do the above wiring, can anyone confirm this? at the moment, i'm leaning more towrds the rane for sound quality as well as the jack out/inputs rather xlr. best, mateo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 22:22:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9Q2KlO20505; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:20:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:20:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e8.2c260035.2eaf0e0a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:18:50 EDT Subject: Re: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in this thread?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e8.2c260035.2eaf0e0a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e8.2c260035.2eaf0e0a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/25/04 7:09:20 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: that ms. tunstall writes..... > I'm very pleased i'm causing a stir in boy toy land! > Cheers, KT x > techno loopy boys freak out in boy toy land?.....yikes!.....and to think stanasaurus started this thread.....:).....michael --part1_1e8.2c260035.2eaf0e0a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/25/04 7:09:20 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: that ms.= tunstall writes.....


I'm very pleased i'm causing a=20= stir in boy toy land!
Cheers, KT x

techno loopy boys freak out in boy toy land?.....yikes!.....and to think sta= nasaurus started this thread.....:).....michael
--part1_1e8.2c260035.2eaf0e0a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 22:28:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9Q2Qoc21446; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:26:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:26:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <417DB572.8020104@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:24:50 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line splitter/mixer References: Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com
I know this has sort of been discussed recently, but i have a few more
questions. I'm in the new process of re-wiring my set up, to include a
pcm42. anyway, i want to be able to split the signal coming out of the
preamp into three to feed different units, and then sent the signal to a
mixer and then to the pwer amp. i have been doing a bit of research and it
seems that the rane sm26b and the beringher ultralink mx882 could sort me
out. i'm sure people on this list have used these units before, so any
feedback is very much appreciated. given the capabilities of both units, i
should be able to combine the channels so that i could have 3/4 outputs and
3/4 inputs, so that i could do the above wiring, can anyone confirm this? at
the moment, i'm leaning more towrds the rane for sound quality as well as
the jack out/inputs rather xlr.
best,
Mateo,

I used a Rane SM-82 (I think) years ago and at that time, I thought it was the cleanist mixer I'd ever used.  I can't imagine that the Beringher could touch it sonically.  

Matt
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 22:39:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9Q2Y9J22496; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:34:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:34:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <105.531d35f9.2eaf114c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:32:44 EDT Subject: loopin japan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_105.531d35f9.2eaf114c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_105.531d35f9.2eaf114c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i don't have the info handy.....were bernard and james and someone else(?) supposed to be in japan with sunoa doing some major looping this past week?.....i was wondering if the earthquakes played a part in anything.....i hope all is well.....michael --part1_105.531d35f9.2eaf114c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i don't have the inf= o handy.....were bernard and james and someone else(?) supposed to be in jap= an with sunoa doing some major looping this past week?.....i was wondering i= f the earthquakes played a part in anything.....i hope all is well.....micha= el<= /FONT> --part1_105.531d35f9.2eaf114c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 25 23:45:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9Q3hOU30613; Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:43:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:43:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: web67140@cavestudio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6J Jr4 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <105.531d35f9.2eaf114c@aol.com> References: <105.531d35f9.2eaf114c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:42:05 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: loopin japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Michael, Our gigs in Kobe is next month,November. http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J Anyway, thank you for your care. About earthquakes, our location is Kansai area(it means Kobe,Osaka,Kyoto etc.) is safety in this time, Niigata is far from here.. about Kobe, big typhoons came in this year, 10 typhoons total.. and still announcement mudslide cautions for some mountain side area.. we have little some damage by heavy rain and flood damage for vegetable and rice fields. in last week,our near river has over flow then the flood was 1.5m water in near some houses.. my location was safety and a no damages but we mast be keep careful.. Sunao At 10:32 PM -0400 04.10.25, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >i don't have the info handy.....were bernard and james and someone >else(?) supposed to be in japan with sunoa doing some major looping >this past week?.....i was wondering if the earthquakes played a part >in anything.....i hope all is well.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 00:28:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9Q4PRV05204; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:25:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:25:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041026042335.84877.qmail@web54610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "M.C. Skwayrd" Subject: RE: Review of Boss RC-20XL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, kflint@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041023203524.044d1eb8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Kim, Thanks for pointing this out. I never heard about the low quality mode on the Boomerang. Is it any good? I only knew about the high-quality time limit. Perhaps I'll remove the "Background" section of my review --- although thanks to that I've now received some much-needed correction. Obviously I wasn't thinking right --- yes, the loop will be repeated at least once! Storage for two loops of 1 minute 30 seconds each should be enough for any applications I can imagine, although this seems to be right at the limit of the EDP's memory. Presumably this memory could be upgraded soon? I don't think I'd try using 16 minutes for just one loop --- although that would be interesting! Cheers, Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 01:50:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9Q5m2L14792; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:48:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 01:48:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:45:37 -0800 Subject: Re: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in this thread?) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e8.2c260035.2eaf0e0a@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3181589137_73798_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3181589137_73798_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/25/04 7:09:20 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: that ms. tunstall writes..... I'm very pleased i'm causing a stir in boy toy land! Cheers, KT x techno loopy boys freak out in boy toy land?.....yikes!.....and to think stanasaurus started this thread.....:).....michael yeah...how lame/bad/good/great is that?!? s (maybe someone here will get to noh her-loopinglee, that is, and have her reportage on this list:-) --MS_Mac_OE_3181589137_73798_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in this thread?= )
In a message dated 10/25/04 7:09:20 PM, psych= le62@yahoo.com writes: that ms. tunstall writes.....


I'm very pleased i'm causing a stir in boy toy land!
Cheers, KT x

techno loopy boys freak out in boy toy land?.....yikes!.....and to think st= anasaurus started this thread.....:).....michael



yeah...how lame/bad/good/great is that?!?
s
(maybe someone here will get to noh her-loopinglee, that is, and have her r= eportage on this list:-)


--MS_Mac_OE_3181589137_73798_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 13:02:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9QGxnr05180; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:59:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:59:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: zvonar@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:56:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Richard Zvonar Subject: New Web site for RZ music Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1113312585==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --============_-1113312585==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've just put up a new Web site with mp3 files of some of my music. At this point the site is simple but functional. The files are at a bit rate of 128kbps. Please let me know if there are bandwidth problems. If so, I can also upload smaller versions of the files. http://www.salamandersongs.com -- ______________________________________________________________ Richard Zvonar, PhD (818) 788-2202 http://www.zvonar.com http://RZCybernetics.com --============_-1113312585==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" New Web site for RZ music
I've just put up a new Web site with mp3 files of some of my music. At this point the site is simple but functional. The files are at a bit rate of 128kbps. Please let me know if there are bandwidth problems. If so, I can also upload smaller versions of the files.

http://www.salamandersongs.com
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Richard Zvonar, PhD      
(818) 788-2202                                 
http://www.zvonar.com
http://RZCybernetics.com
--============_-1113312585==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 14:51:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9QImor19092; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:48:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:48:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.2dc4dac7.2eaff5ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:47:38 EDT Subject: Re: loopin japan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e1.2dc4dac7.2eaff5ca_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: <9s-I4C.A.4nE.UvpfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e1.2dc4dac7.2eaff5ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sunao.....glad to hear all is well.....mihael --part1_1e1.2dc4dac7.2eaff5ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sunao.....glad to he= ar all is well.....mihael --part1_1e1.2dc4dac7.2eaff5ca_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 16:29:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9QKRCm32057; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:27:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:27:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041026202543.18542.qmail@web51110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:25:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: John Peel, RIP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041025230858.66593.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com When I grow up, I wanna be just like John Peel. We'll miss you. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 16:56:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9QKrGZ05329; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:53:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:53:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041026205049.80332.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Looplaxative To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041025230858.66593.qmail@web51101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ummmm, check out the very last paragraph of this... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 17:49:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9QLl3O14655; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:47:03 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:47:03 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.59.128.199] X-Originating-Email: [esperantomusic@hotmail.com] X-Sender: esperantomusic@hotmail.com From: "Job Verweijen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:44:43 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2004 21:45:03.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CDA2F40:01C4BBA5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Jon, Thanks for answering me. But I read somewhere that if you hook up a midi footboard to the Repeater it can be operated in live situations just like any other real-time looper (EDP etc.) If that is true, than it would be my choice. By the way, what kinds of percussion do you play and how do you use the looper (what kinds of bands etc)? We'll be in touch, job Job- > >I'm a percussionist and I own both the repeater and the EDP. If I might >try, I think I can boil down the personality of the two machines into a >basic statement. Certainly this is a generalization, but perhaps it helps >you decide which fits your musical personality best. > >EDP: live oriented looper, no ability to prerecord or save loops, but has >fantastic real time processing features. >REPEATER: has limited live performance features, but shines in its unique >ability to save and recall loops (and pitch/tempo shift them). > >If I had to own only one of the two, it would be the EDP. It fits my >musical personality and just does everything I could possibly want it to. > >Jon > _________________________________________________________________ Speel games met je online vrienden via MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 18:07:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9QM4cl18506; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:04:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:04:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:03:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 26, 2004, at 23:44, Job Verweijen wrote: > I read somewhere that if you hook up a midi footboard to the Repeater > it can be operated in live situations just like any other real-time > looper (EDP etc.) In theory this is true, but in praxis you may find that the Repeater can suddenly not record because "tempo too fast" or "CFC card too slow" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 20:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R0tYb09765; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:55:34 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:55:34 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:53:06 -0700 Subject: OT: attn: Eventide/Mac users From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9R0rAa09332 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I've been off the Looper list now for too long so I decided to come back bearing gifts. :-) If you use an Eventide Harmonizer for your looping or effects, and you use a Macintosh computer, then this may be of use to you. I love my DSP7000 but always hated having to use an Intel/Windows computer to build my patch algorithms. So I wrote a patch editor for the Mac. -Allan ### vSigX v1.0 (beta release) is now available at http://www.wholecheese.com/ System Requirements: Mac OS X 10.3 or newer. vSigX is a full featured visual patch editor for the Eventide® line of Ultra-Harmonizers. It is a Macintosh OS-X 10.3 application and will run only on Mac OS-X 10.3. It is based on Eventide¹s Vsigfile program for Microsoft Windows. Features found in Vsigfile but not implemented in vSigX, yetŠ Super Modules Curve Editing Harmonic Editing Printing Text Mode Editing This software is offered free of charge and without warranty. vSigX is not supported by Eventide Inc. For bug reports or feature requests, please contact: Allan Hoeltje allan@WholeCheese.com ### From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 21:16:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R1DE312288; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:13:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:13:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,103,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="385508608:sNHT22258066" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <42BA8476-27B5-11D9-ABD6-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: OT: attn: Eventide/Mac users Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:12:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Help, stop..stop! I don't NEED to lust after an Ultra-Harmonizer...say it isn't so! On Oct 26, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Allan Hoeltje wrote: > If you use an Eventide Harmonizer for your looping or effects, and you > use a > Macintosh computer, then this may be of use to you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 21:48:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R1jr816072; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:45:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:45:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: OT: attn: Eventide/Mac users Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:45:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 26, 2004, at 7:53 PM, Allan Hoeltje wrote: > Macintosh computer, then this may be of use to you. I love my DSP7000 > but > always hated having to use an Intel/Windows computer to build my patch > algorithms. So I wrote a patch editor for the Mac. good job. however, i'm pretty much married to my H3000SE. when i replace the PCM-80 with a DSP7500 for looping, your program will surely come in handy. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 22:11:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R297718627; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:09:07 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:09:07 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in thisthread?) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:08:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C4BB8F.24361CA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C4BB8F.24361CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in this thread?)Boy Toy"s?? Little does she know its closer to "Middle Aged Geezers" for this crew. Bill -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in thisthread?) In a message dated 10/25/04 7:09:20 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: that ms. tunstall writes..... I'm very pleased i'm causing a stir in boy toy land! Cheers, KT x techno loopy boys freak out in boy toy land?.....yikes!.....and to think stanasaurus started this thread.....:).....michael yeah...how lame/bad/good/great is that?!? s (maybe someone here will get to noh her-loopinglee, that is, and have her reportage on this list:-) ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C4BB8F.24361CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is = in this thread?)
Boy=20 Toy"s??
 Little does she know its closer to "Middle = Aged Geezers" for=20 this crew.
Bill 
-----Original Message-----
From: = stanitarium@earthlink.net=20 [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, October 25, = 2004=20 11:46 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Re: KT Tunstall's toys (was: anyone know who this is in=20 thisthread?)

In a message dated 10/25/04 7:09:20 PM,=20 psychle62@yahoo.com writes: that ms. tunstall = writes.....


I'm=20 very pleased i'm causing a stir in boy toy land!
Cheers, KT=20 x

techno loopy boys freak out in boy toy = land?.....yikes!.....and to=20 think stanasaurus started this=20 thread.....:).....michael



yeah...how = lame/bad/good/great is=20 that?!?
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C4BB8F.24361CA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 22:12:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R29kh18685; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:09:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:09:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater or EDP Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:08:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com But I read somewhere that if you hook up a midi footboard to the Repeater it can be operated in live situations just like any other real-time looper . This is indeed the case. I have a repeater hooked up to a behringer midi pedal, and I honestly don't know why people diss the machine as a live tool, Yes you have to spend time programming a midi pedal to do what it is capable of. But at 7 banks of ten presets, and counting, I've pretty much mapped out every PC and CC command I could imagine using on to my cheapo behringer footpedal. Everything form track select to pitch shift to panning to time stretching and beyond, is under foot control. I rarely have to touch the front face of my RPTR, other than to set the unit up for four track outputing. I do understand that the EDP's creative features like sus record and insert record are unique, and allow for a more "playing of the instrument" approach. I really want my cake and eat it too, After hearing Bernard Wagner play at Y2K4 this year, I realized I really want an EDP! Bernard's method of inserting new notes into his melodic sequences, gave his loops a wonderfull morphing quality. I think both units are worthy for different reasons, and if I could I'd own both. I must say the Repeater has come in really handy when I've needed to use pre-recorded material. Like when Rick and I need to sound like a full salsa orchestra for an awards show, as an example. That being said, for my purely improvisational loop wackyness,I've moved away from using prerecorded stuff ,prefering to make it up as I go, the one exception being the use of an occasional pre-recorded drum loop. Do yourself a favor if you can and buy both. Afterall, If it turns out one device is better for you than the other, you won't have any problem selling the one you don't want. That being said, good luck finding either one! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Job Verweijen [mailto:esperantomusic@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 26 22:24:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R2NNQ20708; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:23:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:23:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:22:49 EDT Subject: EH 16 second delay reissue for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.181bc1fe.2eb06079_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_db.181bc1fe.2eb06079_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contact me off list. This is brand new in the box. I tested it once[and it works perfectly]. I'm going EDP and don't need both thanks Dave Kline --part1_db.181bc1fe.2eb06079_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Contact me off list.  This i= s brand new in the box.  I tested it once[and it works perfectly]. = ; I'm going EDP and don't need both
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Dave Kline
--part1_db.181bc1fe.2eb06079_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 00:42:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R4e1U03213; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:40:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:40:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:44:27 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looplaxative In-Reply-To: <20041026205049.80332.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20041026205049.80332.qmail@web51109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Tim Nelson wrote: > Ummmm, check out the very last paragraph of this... > > "And most threatening of all, Alden Ulery constructed a swollen drone of loops and live didgeridoo. Alden confided that he had hoped to get the loops down to 57 octaves below middle C, a vibration that would have made the entire audience "shit their pants." The equipment didn't cooperate, and the Tong's audience-and WFNX's-were spared. Maybe next time! " He was thinking of what, in some circles, is referred to as "the Brown Note". http://www.crmav.com/63/meyer_sound_to_test_the_brown_note_shit_yourself_thread_in_m.shtml He was thinking of something else: What he actually referred to was probably a remembrance of a recent news article, mentioned on this list a few months ago, that 57 octaves down from B flat is the sound this massive black hole in the Perseid cluster makes. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/09sep_blackholesounds.htm "Astronomers using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory have found, for the first time, sound waves from a supermassive black hole. The "note" is the deepest ever detected from any object in our Universe. The tremendous amounts of energy carried by these sound waves may solve a longstanding problem in astrophysics. ... In musical terms, the pitch of the sound generated by the black hole translates into the note of B flat. But, a human would have no chance of hearing this cosmic performance because the note is 57 octaves lower than middle-C. For comparison, a typical piano contains only about seven octaves. At a frequency over a million billion times deeper than the limits of human hearing, this is the deepest note ever detected from an object in the Universe." Now that's dub. Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 00:56:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R4rwC04588; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:53:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:53:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <12BF602B-27D4-11D9-B363-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: line splitter/mixer Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:52:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The Rane is ridiculously flexible (I've used several in various applications for years), but if I'm reading you right it will do what you want in this case. You send it the mono or stereo output from your preamp, and then three of your (six) channels become send controls. You could then either send the output from your three units to channel inputs on a second mixer, or to the three remaining channels on the Rane (if the units have mono output--if they're stereo, you need a different mixer). If you went the second route, the output of your pre-amp and the three additional units would be summed back at the master outputs of the Rane, which can be mono or stereo as desired. If you're curious, the manual for the SM26 is available in pdf on Rane's site. Travis >I know this has sort of been discussed recently, but i have a few more >questions. I'm in the new process of re-wiring my set up, to include a >pcm42. anyway, i want to be able to split the signal coming out of the >preamp into three to feed different units, and then sent the signal to a >mixer and then to the pwer amp. i have been doing a bit of research and it >seems that the rane sm26b and the beringher ultralink mx882 could sort me >out. i'm sure people on this list have used these units before, so any >feedback is very much appreciated. given the capabilities of both units, i >should be able to combine the channels so that i could have 3/4 outputs and >3/4 inputs, so that i could do the above wiring, can anyone confirm this? at >the moment, i'm leaning more towrds the rane for sound quality as well as >the jack out/inputs rather xlr. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 01:06:06 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R53gO05850; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:03:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 01:03:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <71201B66-27D5-11D9-B363-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: RE: Review of Boss RC-20XL Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:02:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >Thanks for pointing this out. I never heard about >the low quality mode on the Boomerang. Is it any good? It really depends on your context and audio fidelity needs. For many live uses, it's fine since background noise, other instruments, etc. cover up so much of what's going on. And having the loop being lower fidelity than your live signal can help provide separation between the two, which is often (yet not always) desirable. For electric or acoustic guitar, I've never had a problem with the fidelity, but some people find it below the acceptable quality threshold. Best to try it for yourself. >Obviously I wasn't thinking right --- yes, the loop >will be repeated at least once! Storage for two loops >of 1 minute 30 seconds each should be enough for any >applications I can imagine, although this seems to be >right at the limit of the EDP's memory. Presumably >this memory could be upgraded soon? No--the current EDP hardware platform is maxed out at 198 seconds (16MB of RAM). At the time the Echoplex was introduced (1996) that amount of memory would have cost about $800, and 198 seconds was an outrageous amount of sampling time. Nowadays, you'll pay $40 for the same memory. There had been some vague talk of implementing a version of the Loop software (which is what the Echoplex hardware runs) on the Soundart Chameleon platform, but as I recall it maxes out at 50 seconds of sampling time. TravisH *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 02:10:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R68Ed13105; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:08:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:08:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Message-Id: <44AB6588-27DE-11D9-B363-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: New software looper: Synchronic Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:05:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9R65xa12517 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com For those of you with ProTools systems, here's another looper plug-in. Software loopers are of minimal interest to me personally, so I can't be bothered to summarise the chirpy marketing copy below, so here's the link and all the text. Discuss among yourselves: http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?body=/news/ details.cfm@@story_id=1571 Make way for a whole new approach to stirring up your mix: the Synchronic™ plug-in for Pro Tools®. Whether in a studio environment or onstage, Synchronic gives you the power to substantially modify looped audio on the fly and, in the process, define your signature sound. An ideal instrument for spontaneous composition and improvisation, Synchronic offers performing electronic musicians and DJs the ability to sculpt loops and create tempo-based effects in a live setting in real time. With Synchronic, you can easily create rhythmic modifications and in-tempo effects with individual beats and beat subdivisions within a loop. Synchronic invites you to interact with its control set. With its many possibilities and ease-of-use, you can achieve virtually any desired effect or something completely unexpected. When combined with a MIDI controller, all of its parameters can be controlled in real time, and individual presets within Synchronic’s modules can be recalled simply by triggering a MIDI key. And multiple instances of Synchronic can run within the same Pro Tools LE or TDM session to meet your creative demands. Synchronic can even work alongside other music software products such as Ableton Live and Propellerhead Reason to bring a new breadth to your music. Synchronic features five main sections or modules, each of which can be edited, stored, and recalled through presets accessible via the plug-in: • Sound Module — The Sound module can load up to twelve different mono or stereo audio files of any bit depth and sample rate. After importing a file, the loop can be sliced up to play in synchronization with the Pro Tools MIDI Beat Clock. Any two sounds (A and B sources) can be played back simultaneously. • Playback Module — The Playback module manipulates the output of the Sound module. Various aspects of sound playback — such as speed, order, duration and direction, as well as modes such as “Stab,” “Spin,” and “Smear” — are synchronized with the Pro Tools MIDI Beat Clock. • Effect Module — This module processes the output of the Playback module and can be synced to the Pro Tools MIDI Beat Clock to introduce any combination of four concurrent in-tempo effects: Gain, Noise, Filter, and Delay. • XFade Module — Synchronic’s XFade (crossfade) module mixes the A and B sounds after they have been processed by the Sound, Playback and Effect modules. The crossfade between the A and B sounds can be controlled by either a Synchronic preset or through a mixer’s crossfader. The XFade module presets can also be synced to the Pro Tools MIDI Beat Clock for in-tempo crossfading. • MIDI Module — Synchronic’s MIDI Module enables you to assign and trigger combinations of sounds and module presets using MIDI. You can also freely map MIDI controllers to Synchronic controls. Once audio loops are loaded into Synchronic, they can be controlled using Synchronic’s user interface, Pro Tools MIDI tracks, an external MIDI controller, a qualified Digidesign® control surface such as Command|8™, and/or Pro Tools plug-in automation. Unlike other beat and looping software products, Synchronic synchronizes to the Pro Tools MIDI Beat Clock directly. This relationship results in Synchronic playback locking to the Pro Tools session tempo (including tempo changes) even while you create modifications in the playback order, speed, and volume of individual beats and subdivisions of the beat (or “slices”) within a loop. Synchronic is fully capable of performing complex beat manipulations, effects, and cross-modulations while remaining tightly synced to the Pro Tools MIDI Beat Clock. These effects are not limited to being applied only to loops in their entirety but also to individual beats within the loop, allowing you to create complex soundscapes that are still tied to an underlying pulse from the MIDI Beat Clock. 200 MB of royalty-free loops contributed by Digidesign’s Development Partners™ ship with Synchronic to get you going right out of the box. In addition to sample-rate support up to 96 kHz, SD II, WAV, and AIFF files are fully supported and can be easily imported. Synchronic is compatible with Digidesign-approved Pro Tools|HD®, HD Accel, MIX™ Digi 002®, Digi 002 Rack™, Mbox™, or Digi 001® systems running on Windows XP or Mac OS X. An iLok USB Smart Key and iLok.com account are required for authorization. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 02:14:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R6CBG13836; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:12:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:12:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:13:53 +0100 Subject: SooperLooper From: jeremy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <6abRcB.A.WUD.HwzfBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi everyone, I've seen a project on Source Forge called "SooperLooper", home page http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ It's come out of the Linux community but as it runs under JACK which has now been released for OSX there may be something coming out of this. Seems it's still in beta at the moment but perhaps some interest to people on the list. Best wishes Jeremy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 02:43:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9R6fZw17412; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:41:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:41:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041027064010.56902.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Repeater or EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Bill, Question about the Repeater: sometimes when i engage the tracks to record in stereo i have troubles desingaging them which i usually do by pushing one track while depressing the other one,has this happened to you? You also mentioned once that you turn off the overdub button to avoid latency but i don´t really notice any difference. Thanx Luis --- William Walker wrote: > But I read somewhere that if you hook up a midi > footboard to the Repeater it can be operated in live > situations just like > any other real-time looper . > > > This is indeed the case. I have a repeater hooked > up to a behringer midi > pedal, and I honestly don't know why people diss the > machine as a live tool, > Yes you have to spend time programming a midi pedal > to do what it is capable > of. But at 7 banks of ten presets, and counting, > I've pretty much mapped > out every PC and CC command I could imagine using on > to my cheapo behringer > footpedal. Everything form track select to pitch > shift to panning to time > stretching and beyond, is under foot control. I > rarely have to touch the > front face of my RPTR, other than to set the unit up > for four track > outputing. I do understand that the EDP's creative > features like sus > record and insert record are unique, and allow for a > more "playing of the > instrument" approach. I really want my cake and eat > it too, After hearing > Bernard Wagner play at Y2K4 this year, I realized I > really want an EDP! > Bernard's method of inserting new notes into his > melodic sequences, gave his > loops a wonderfull morphing quality. I think both > units are worthy for > different reasons, and if I could I'd own both. I > must say the Repeater has > come in really handy when I've needed to use > pre-recorded material. Like > when Rick and I need to sound like a full salsa > orchestra for an awards > show, as an example. That being said, for my purely > improvisational loop > wackyness,I've moved away from using prerecorded > stuff ,prefering to make it > up as I go, the one exception being the use of an > occasional pre-recorded > drum loop. Do yourself a favor if you can and buy > both. Afterall, If it > turns out one device is better for you than the > other, you won't have any > problem selling the one you don't want. That being > said, good luck finding > either one! > Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: Job Verweijen > [mailto:esperantomusic@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:45 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Besides practicing and going back to the manual I thought a table that shows functions and parameters and their different interactions may be useful to keep track of the miriads of possibilities. Something like functions in the orizontal and parameters in the vertical and a reminder of the effect at the cross points. Does something like that already exists to your knowledge? (of course we will need a table for Live Actions and one for Midi Features for example) thank you, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 08:41:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RCeLU27884; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:40:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:40:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <417F8E4C.5090607@free.fr> References: <417F8E4C.5090607@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <41D4E742-2815-11D9-9504-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Speed up learning EDP Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:39:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-wf1JD.A.pwG.Nc5fBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 27, 2004, at 14:02, Luca Bonvini wrote: > Hello Loopers, > > I'm working to learn EDP (IV) features. Besides practicing and going > back to the manual I thought a table that shows functions and > parameters and their different interactions may be useful to keep > track of the miriads of possibilities. Something like functions in the > orizontal and parameters in the vertical and a reminder of the effect > at the cross points. Does something like that already exists to your > knowledge? (of course we will need a table for Live Actions and one > for Midi Features for example) > > thank you, > > Luca Nice idea, Luca! But would a table be sufficient? Maybe it has to be a system of hierarchic drop-down menus ;-) because many commands give different effects depending on the settings of other parameters. Maybe it would be easier to make a list of "cool tricks" and then have each trick explained in a way that covers all levels. Bernhard did a nice web site with Repeater tricks, something similar for the EDP would come in handy. If think there used to be a lot of hands-on tips at Andre LaFosse's home page. 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Angulo wrote: > Hi Bill, > 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ....... > You also mentioned once that you turn off the overdub > button to avoid latency but i don´t really notice any > difference. > Thanx > Luis (chiming in now after monitoring this thread for some time) Maybe Bill was talking about the latency of the direct input signal when playing THROUGH the repeater? (measured by Mark Sottilaro to 12 ms, if remember it right). To avoid this you "mute input" and wire the box in a send loop to a mixer. This is also a good idea if you want to set up "pitch cascading feedback loops" by running a re-pitched track in record mode into its own input. Do not do this without muting the input! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 11:06:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9REv1419783; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:57:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:57:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041027144541.15833.qmail@mx1.aruba.it> X-Remote-IP: 194.184.199.3 References: In-Reply-To: From: "marco.ronci" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loopin japan Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:45:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Sunao, I knew the quake did happen far from Kansai, but I'm glad to see you're ok. ...take care on that dangerous road to home... With my kindest regards, Marco (yes I finally subscribed) Ronci Sunao Inami Scrive: > Hi Michael, > > Our gigs in Kobe is next month,November. > http://www.cavestudio.com/LD_J > > Anyway, thank you for your care. > About earthquakes, our location is Kansai area(it means > Kobe,Osaka,Kyoto etc.) is safety in this time, Niigata is far from > here.. > > about Kobe, big typhoons came in this year, 10 typhoons total.. > and still announcement mudslide cautions for some mountain side area.. > we have little some damage by heavy rain and flood damage for > vegetable and rice fields. > in last week,our near river has over flow then the flood was 1.5m > water in near some houses.. > my location was safety and a no damages but we mast be keep careful.. > > Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 11:58:28 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RFv5J28049; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:57:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:57:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041027155454.20520.qmail@web41610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:54:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Mad Mat Subject: Re: line splitter/mixer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <12BF602B-27D4-11D9-B363-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hey, it sounds like i'll be able to do what then, it's exactly the second option you describe. basically, what i wanted to know was if you could split the 6 channels into 3 output lines, and use the other 3 available as inputs to then feedback the outputs of the loopers, and it looks like from your mail and from the manual that i will be able to do so. i'm not really bothered about the stereo issue, the edp being mono anyway. plus, i don't think there'll be 3 tools plugged in at all times. now, the only i will need then would be a extra fx send/return to mangle the loops, but that can wait... Time to go on ebay! cheers, mateo --- Travis Hartnett a écrit : > The Rane is ridiculously flexible (I've used several > in various > applications for years), but if I'm reading you > right it will do what > you want in this case. You send it the mono or > stereo output from your > preamp, and then three of your (six) channels become > send controls. > You could then either send the output from your > three units to channel > inputs on a second mixer, or to the three remaining > channels on the > Rane (if the units have mono output--if they're > stereo, you need a > different mixer). If you went the second route, the > output of your > pre-amp and the three additional units would be > summed back at the > master outputs of the Rane, which can be mono or > stereo as desired. If > you're curious, the manual for the SM26 is available > in pdf on Rane's > site. > > Travis > > > >I know this has sort of been discussed recently, > but i have a few more > >questions. I'm in the new process of re-wiring my > set up, to include a > >pcm42. anyway, i want to be able to split the > signal coming out of the > >preamp into three to feed different units, and > then sent the signal to > a > >mixer and then to the pwer amp. i have been doing > a bit of research > and it > >seems that the rane sm26b and the beringher > ultralink mx882 could sort > me > >out. i'm sure people on this list have used these > units before, so any > >feedback is very much appreciated. given the > capabilities of both > units, i > >should be able to combine the channels so that i > could have 3/4 > outputs and > >3/4 inputs, so that i could do the above wiring, > can anyone confirm > this? at > >the moment, i'm leaning more towrds the rane for > sound quality as well > as > >the jack out/inputs rather xlr. > > Vous manquez d’espace pour stocker vos mails ? Yahoo! Mail vous offre GRATUITEMENT 100 Mo ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.benefits.yahoo.com/ Le nouveau Yahoo! 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A télécharger gratuitement sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 12:12:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RG6Gu30329; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:06:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [64.81.247.212] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <417F8E4C.5090607@free.fr> <41D4E742-2815-11D9-9504-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Speed up learning EDP Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:05:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2004 16:05:01.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[B70F1630:01C4BC3E] Resent-Message-ID: <6xBACD.A.GWH.Od8fBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> knowledge? (of course we will need a table for Live Actions and one for >> Midi Features for example) >> > Nice idea, Luca! But would a table be sufficient? Maybe it has to be a > system of hierarchic drop-down menus ;-) because many commands give If I recall correctly, a lot of EDP functionality is built from a lookup table cross referencing what mode you're in and what buttons you press. Maybe Matthias, Kim, or Andy Butler could explain more. For some people, seeing this table in graphical format might make things clear. For others it might just confuse - depends how you think methinks. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 14:11:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RI9Hu16193; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:09:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:09:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1e6.2d280791.2eb13e06@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:08:06 EDT Subject: the finite nature of things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e6.2d280791.2eb13e06_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_1e6.2d280791.2eb13e06_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my alesis air-fx seems to have passed away, what a bummer!.....my rang is sick and i just know that at some point my space station is going to kack.....thank goodness gary was kind enuf to sell me his ineko (the skank lives on!), 2 inekos btw can create major mayhem.....:).....all the talk about "learning in music" made me think i have to re-evaluate my thoughts on my relationship to music but then mathias sez it's ok to play the same thing over and over because it will change anyway and krispen added that music can be a "tonic" to ease one through one's week, it fullfills a need.....i think system meltdowns are one of the meaner aspects of music.....i don't know how i played all those years without LOOP CAPABILITY, perhaps having a good imagination helped but now i sit here in a mild state of dread looking at all my "babies" and knowing that their daze are numbered, who will be the next in line for heartache.....and then YOUNG BILL WALKER refers to us as "MIDDLE AGED GEEZERS" and all i've been thinking about since y2k4 where i turned 56 is that i'm closer to 60 than 50 and i still don't know how to act.....yikes.....i will miss my air fx.....michael p.s. if a certain person gets re-elected and i ain't sayin no names, i will sell my house and leave this country.....where should i go?.....i'm thinking costa rica seeing that LOOP ISLAND still does not exist --part1_1e6.2d280791.2eb13e06_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my alesis air-fx see= ms to have passed away, what a bummer!.....my rang is sick and i just know t= hat at some point my space station is going to kack.....thank goodness gary=20= was kind enuf to sell me his ineko (the skank lives on!), 2 inekos btw can c= reate major mayhem.....:).....all the talk about "learning in music" made me= think i have to re-evaluate my thoughts on my relationship to music but the= n mathias sez it's ok to play the same thing over and over because it will c= hange anyway and krispen added that music can be a "tonic" to ease one throu= gh one's week, it fullfills a need.....i think system meltdowns are one of t= he meaner aspects of music.....i don't know how i played all those years wit= hout LOOP CAPABILITY, perhaps having a good imagination helped but now i sit= here in a mild state of dread looking at all my "babies" and knowing that t= heir daze are numbered, who will be the next in line for heartache.....and t= hen YOUNG BILL WALKER refers to us as "MIDDLE AGED GEEZERS" and all i've bee= n thinking about since y2k4 where i turned 56 is that i'm closer to 60 than=20= 50 and i still don't know how to act.....yikes.....i will miss my air fx....= .michael

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--part1_1e6.2d280791.2eb13e06_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 14:48:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RIlJF21251; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:47:19 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:47:19 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:46:44 -0700 Subject: Re: the finite nature of things From: Allan Hoeltje To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1e6.2d280791.2eb13e06@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Resent-Message-ID: <1o5EkB.A.5JF.X0-fBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com "Nemoguitt@aol.com" wrote on 10/27/04 11:08 AM: > my alesis air-fx seems to have passed away, what a bummer!..... > > p.s. if a certain person gets re-elected and i ain't sayin no names, i will > sell my house and leave this country.....where should i go?.....i'm thinking > costa rica seeing that LOOP ISLAND still does not exist > Being a 52 year old MAG myself this reminds me of the Jefferson Starship era where we all hijack a space ship to escape the evil empire. An island off Costa Rica sounds much more plausible - just make sure it does not have any oil! Coincidentally, I will be in Mexico during the inauguration/coronation and will either be celebrating or contemplating not coming back. If the later, I will need someone to send me my toys! -Allan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 15:01:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RJ0Iq24462; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:00:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:00:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.4a697e4.2eb149ec@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:58:52 EDT Subject: Re: the finite nature of things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com In a message dated 10/27/04 11:08:43 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: << p.s. if a certain person gets re-elected and i ain't sayin no names, i will sell my house and leave this country.....where should i go?.....i'm thinking costa rica seeing that LOOP ISLAND still does not exist >> Heh. I have been contemplating the same thing. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 16:24:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RKNMe16561; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:23:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:23:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041027202214.852.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: the finite nature of things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1e6.2d280791.2eb13e06@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <624luB.A.Q9D.8NAgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: >... seeing that LOOP ISLAND still does not exist Yes, it does. But It's pretty damp there, and it would hasten the demise of your Space Station, I'm sure. There's a Loop Island in the Chesterfields in the Coral Sea, too, but I'd probably be too busy scuba diving to do much looping. I'm closer to 21 than I am to, uh, 64... -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 18:52:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RMkC813058; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:46:12 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:46:12 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: hidden camera Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:47:51 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Dear Rick I hope your AES gig went fine! Apparently, there was a hidden camera at Y2K4 (thanks to Mike Rezendes!): Rena Jones (http://www.renamusic.com/) http://www.1537paperstreet.com/video/cello.mov (19M, excerpt of set on Sat October, 9th 7:00 pm) And an example how you saves an erratic piece with some serious beat boxing (we can't see you but can hear you!): Bernhard Wagner (http://nosuch.biz/bernhardart) http://www.1537paperstreet.com/video/guitarloop.mov (12M, excerpt of set on Fri, Oct. 8th, 9:00 pm) A big hug Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 19:06:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9RN5K215383; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:05:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:05:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041027230345.45717.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanx Per still don´t notice any latency difference to be honest but i like the fact that the whole signal is quieter this way! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 27, 2004, at 8:40, L. Angulo wrote: > > > Hi Bill, > > 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< ....... > > You also mentioned once that you turn off the > overdub > > button to avoid latency but i don´t really notice > any > > difference. > > Thanx > > Luis > > (chiming in now after monitoring this thread for > some time) > > Maybe Bill was talking about the latency of the > direct input signal > when playing THROUGH the repeater? (measured by > Mark Sottilaro to 12 > ms, if remember it right). To avoid this you "mute > input" and wire the > box in a send loop to a mixer. This is also a good > idea if you want to > set up "pitch cascading feedback loops" by running a > re-pitched track > in record mode into its own input. Do not do this > without muting the > input! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! 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Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 20:08:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S06tp22734; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:06:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:06:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,108,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="481253521:sNHT15207116" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: hidden camera Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:04:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the clips, Bernhard! Between the 2 of them, they've provided me with many a goose-bump and even a few moments of that ecstatic laughing-thru-tears thrill that's about as good as it gets, listening to music, I'd say... Blessings upon you... dpc On Oct 27, 2004, at 3:47 PM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > Dear Rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 20:37:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S0bH931493; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:37:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:37:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-220041042804725370@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:47:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940cc49f177692f32f518d7dec2030d328b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim, thanks for your help w/the Ibanez...re: the Space Station, I've always lusted after one (DOES ANYONE ELSE MAKE A STRING PAD FUNCTION LIKE THAT???), they are not the most bulletproof devices in the world. NOt as self-destructing as the amusing ModFX series but nowhere near as durable as other Digitech stuff (e.g., my Reverberator is trouble-free, knowck on wood). So is there anything out there that does the Space Station's string pad thing? Goatness, Tim www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Date: 10/27/2004 4:23:34 PM > Subject: Re: the finite nature of things > > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >... seeing that LOOP ISLAND still does not exist > > Yes, it does. But It's pretty damp there, and it would > hasten the demise of your Space Station, I'm sure. > > > There's a Loop Island in the Chesterfields in the > Coral Sea, too, but I'd probably be too busy scuba > diving to do much looping. > > I'm closer to 21 than I am to, uh, 64... > > -t- > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 21:17:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S1F2511440; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:15:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:15:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: fun site to visit and get lost in Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:13:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4BC50.A79FF4A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS8i1PD49vq1B+cSTK+d/ll95Z0Og== Message-Id: <20041028011317.FRZI5372.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: <_fUeKC.A.YrC.zeEgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4BC50.A79FF4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://fusionanomaly.net/loops.html Tom ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4BC50.A79FF4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C4BC50.A79FF4A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 22:20:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S2Imp26582; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:18:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:18:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:17:44 EDT Subject: Re: hidden camera To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e5.4e1c773.2eb1b0c8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_e5.4e1c773.2eb1b0c8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/27/04 6:45:54 PM, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > http://www.1537paperstreet.com/video/guitarloop.mov (12M, excerpt of set on > Fri, Oct. 8th, 9:00 pm) > just goes to show that the b-man sitting down and looping a guitar can be just as exciting as the chariot race in "ben hur" and i ain't kidding!.....:).....thanks, WHAT FUN!.....(wow, does it take forever to download this stuff with dial up).....but i am very thankful that i can now do this sort of thing.....michael --part1_e5.4e1c773.2eb1b0c8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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just goes to show that the b-man sitting down and looping a guitar can be ju= st as exciting as the chariot race in "ben hur" and i ain't kidding!.....:).= ....thanks, WHAT FUN!.....(wow, does it take forever to download this stuff=20= with dial up).....but i am very thankful that i can now do this sort of thin= g.....michael
--part1_e5.4e1c773.2eb1b0c8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 27 23:07:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S36PQ02958; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:06:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:06:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <410-220041042804725370@earthlink.net> References: <410-220041042804725370@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F4B8BDA-288E-11D9-8FBA-000A959D2634@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:05:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <1MMZtC.A.pr.OIGgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 27, 2004, at 7:47 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > So is there anything out there that does the Space Station's string pad > thing? can you describe the sound? or perhaps point to downloadable examples? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 00:14:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S4Cnu14174; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:12:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:12:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4180718B.8040606@iinet.net.au> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:11:55 +0800 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Macintosh/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the finite nature of things References: <20041027202214.852.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041027202214.852.qmail@web51103.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tim Nelson wrote: >--- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > >>... seeing that LOOP ISLAND still does not exist >> >> > >Yes, it does. But It's pretty damp there, and it would >hasten the demise of your Space Station, I'm sure. > > >There's a Loop Island in the Chesterfields in the >Coral Sea, too, but I'd probably be too busy scuba >diving to do much looping. > > > here in west oz, in the very inviting sounding district of Shark Bay, is a small 'town' called Useless Loop. I would recommend it, but it's mostly a salt mine, so I doubt that looping gear would be much better off. It is however, about as isolated from politics as one could probably get in the western world. -omjn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 02:06:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S65IP25949; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:05:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:05:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041027224306.050ef5a0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:04:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: LD interview with Mike Battle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi Looper folk- We are about to do a Looper's Delight interview with Mike Battle, the inventor of the original Echoplex tape delay in the 60's and the more recent TubePlex tape delay. I'm really excited about it. Do you have any questions you would like to ask Mike? Please send them to me! This is a really unique opportunity to hear the story direct from one of the original inventors of the tools that eventually grew into the loopers of today. This will be fun! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 05:34:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S9WvO00751; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:32:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:32:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20041028102704.02839010@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Sender: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk@pop.tiscali.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:30:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: mp3 of G2 & EDP In-Reply-To: <200410202008.i9KK8TG12307@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410202008.i9KK8TG12307@hemlock.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com At 21:08 20/10/04, you wrote: >Hi > >This is an mp3 of "me and my guitar" ;-) (not mentioning G2 & EDP...) > >(size: 5.54M, duration: 06:03) >http://nosuch.biz/soundz/Mathon200407200026.mp3 > >There's more stuff, but I can't seem to get the other contributors' >permission to announce it... WTF?! > >Bernhard Oh... go ahead. I just got back from 2 weeks in Crete. ...and Matthias is always on holiday. Actually, I wasn't so happy with my playing on some of that stuff, but what you played deserves to be heard. andy butler ps, if you wanna work out that G2 sync again, drop me a line. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 05:39:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9S9dKq03466; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:39:20 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:39:20 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <013a01c4bcd1$f02cc870$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT \(posting\)" Subject: John Peel, RIP Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:38:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com My wife and I both cried yesterday when we learned that John Peel died, tragically and prematurely at the age of 65. For those of you who don't know John's work, he was an incredible supporter of all things creative in the new pop fields over thirty plus years.................from punk to new wave to jungle to two step to whatever, he was constantly exposing brand new bands to British audiences. I still have the cassette recording of when he played Bill's and my 80's theatrical new wave band , Tao Chemical one night on British Television. Of all the wonderful things that happened to us, being played by John Peel was the biggest honor and greatest thrill I had in that band. he will be sorely missed. I pray that his spirit lives on in all the people he inspired................all the people he exposed to new audiences.............in all the up and coming young artists that are trying to break new ground with their love of music. John Peel, RIP it up wherever you are and thanks!!!!! We love you. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 06:07:30 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SA75V09848; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:07:05 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:07:05 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1098957989!16400162!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E1B@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: John Peel, RIP Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:58:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4BCD4.A2FE25F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BCD4.A2FE25F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>When I grow up, I wanna be just like John Peel. We'll miss you.<< we certainly will. actually, "growing up" & "be like john peel" are probably mutually exclusive! I haven't felt this bad since..... don't know. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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>>When I grow up, I wanna be just like John Peel.

We'll miss you.<<

we certainly will. actually, "growing up" &= "be like john peel" are probably mutually exclusive!
I haven't felt this bad since..... don't know.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BCD4.A2FE25F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 06:12:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SACAt11541; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:12:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:12:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1098958305!19334354!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E1C@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater or EDP Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:03:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4BCD5.5AC54470" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BCD5.5AC54470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>In theory this is true, but in praxis you may find that the Repeater can suddenly not record because "tempo too fast" or "CFC card too slow" ;-)<< I've seen this a lot on my repeaters, even with the proscribed cfc cards. it seems to handle things a bit better using it's own memory instead, but this is somewhat restrictive. usually, though (& in the context of my use, this is no biggy) it will obey after two or three tries. I have, incidentally, managed to put wavs onto the cfc using a computer & get the repeater to play them. this has, however, always been after creating a "placeholder" of the right duration on the cfc first. so, typically, one would record a loop (maybe all four tracks) onto the repeater, then pull the wavs out into an edit program (soundforge or w.h.y.), tweak them a bit & put them back onto the card without altering their length or overall size. no problems with this so far. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BCD5.5AC54470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater or EDP

>>In theory this is true, but in praxis you may fin= d that the Repeater
can suddenly not record because "tempo too fast&quo= t; or "CFC card too slow"
;-)<<

I've seen this a lot on my repeaters, even with the prosc= ribed cfc cards. it seems to handle things a bit better using it's own memo= ry instead, but this is somewhat restrictive. usually, though (& in the= context of my use, this is no biggy) it will obey after two or three tries= .

I have, incidentally, managed to put wavs onto the cfc us= ing a computer & get the repeater to play them. this has, however, alwa= ys been after creating a "placeholder" of the right duration on t= he cfc first. so, typically, one would record a loop (maybe all four tracks= ) onto the repeater, then pull the wavs out into an edit program (soundforg= e or w.h.y.), tweak them a bit & put them back onto the card without al= tering their length or overall size. no problems with this so far.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BCD5.5AC54470-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 06:43:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SAgl620040; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:42:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:42:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E1C@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E1C@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:41:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <0K0yO.A._0E.1zMgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 28, 2004, at 12:03, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>In theory this is true, but in praxis you may find that the Repeater > can suddenly not record because "tempo too fast" or "CFC card too slow" > ;-)<< > > I've seen this a lot on my repeaters, even with the proscribed cfc > cards. it seems to handle things a bit better using it's own memory > instead, but this is somewhat restrictive. usually, though (& in the > context of my use, this is no biggy) it will obey after two or three > tries. Yes, no biggy at all. When I had a Repeater I practically never ran into these troubles because I was careful to only create so many/long loops that the machine could handle it on the 8 MB RAM. And the tempo limitation was no problem either because I found it cool in a musical way that the synced Repeater stayed on a (somehow matching) slower tempo when the sync master EDP occasionally went up to extreme speed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 10:30:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SETma02084; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:29:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:29:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410280939.i9S9djq03582@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410280939.i9S9djq03582@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:29:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <7IQfVD.A.-b.xIQgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com As I recall, the string swell patch was borrowed from another Digitech device, the 2112 rackmount preamp. There were some similar things in the Boss GT series, which used a combination of a slow-attack volume effect with a dense multi-delay, some chorus, reverb and tremolo to get a string swell type effect. Dunno how you think the Reverberator was any tougher--the Space Station and the Reverberator used the same case (along with the Whammy Wah and the Modulator). My guess would be that the Reverberator would last much longer because the thing sounded so horrible that you wouldn't be using it after the initial period of experimentation. Or at least, that was my experience with it, after picking one up for $50 at a Guitar Center blowout. I used a Space Station exttensively for a couple of years and never had a problem with it. TravisH On Oct 28, 2004, at 2:39 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > > Tim, thanks for your help w/the Ibanez...re: the Space Station, I've > always > lusted after one (DOES ANYONE ELSE MAKE A STRING PAD FUNCTION LIKE > THAT???), they are not the most bulletproof devices in the world. NOt > as > self-destructing as the amusing ModFX series but nowhere near as > durable as > other Digitech stuff (e.g., my Reverberator is trouble-free, knowck on > wood). > So is there anything out there that does the Space Station's string pad > thing? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 10:33:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SEVsY02952; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:31:54 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:31:54 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410280939.i9S9djq03582@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410280939.i9S9djq03582@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: LD interview with Mike Battle Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:30:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Be sure to ask him, in an indignant tone, why it's not stereo.... TravisH On Oct 28, 2004, at 2:39 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Hi Looper folk- > > We are about to do a Looper's Delight interview with Mike Battle, the > inventor of the original Echoplex tape delay in the 60's and the more > recent TubePlex tape delay. I'm really excited about it. > > Do you have any questions you would like to ask Mike? Please send them > to me! This is a really unique opportunity to hear the story direct > from one of the original inventors of the tools that eventually grew > into the loopers of today. This will be fun! > > kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 10:34:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SEXMD03589; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:33:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:33:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:29:44 -0400 To: Recipient List Suppressed:; From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @evos halloween bash - Lowell MA 10.30.04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi I'll be doing video mixing as part of the Evos Halloween Party in Lowell. I'm on from 9-11, and will be working with Dean Stiglitz, Electronic Flute, and probably some other musicians. More info and directions are at http://www.evosarts.com/ -- I'm a last minute addition to the bill . Evos is at 98 Middle Street Lowell Ma. 01852 978.441.9906 or 978.441.1063 -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 12:03:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SG2Ad24561; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:02:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:02:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <16927199.1098979256039.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:00:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thanks for the 2112 info...probably easier to find than a Space Station. Regarding SS vs. Reverberator: While it's true that the casing is the same, the circuit of the Space Station is apparently unstable, at least according to my pal Mark Sullivan, who owns 4 Space Stations, only two of which work. Regardless, I still really want a Space Station; I'm just unwilling to pay "vintage" prices for something that the Daddy's chain was blowing out for $99.99 only 2 years ago. (I wish I'd known about THAT sale!) As for the Reverberator, they apparently are inconsistent, because while you hated yours, mine is marvelous... I a/b'd it with the great-for-the-price EH Holy Grail, and the EH lost. The 'verb'rator gives me the Country Joe/Bay Area/Summer'o'Love dark plate thang, plus the amusing and useful "Infinite" setting. It doesn't see a lot of concert action, though, because it takes up so much pedalboard room and it uses that stupid "drama queen" AC wallwart, so my Godlyke power supply can't feed it. I despise companies that make you use only *their* precious wallwart (LOL) ~Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 12:20:18 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SGIWQ27179; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:18:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:18:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <3095901.1098980243073.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:17:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: describing the string patchRe: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com describe? easy: the Wakeman/Pinder Mellotron sound. Without having to fart around with gluing a hex-pickup thang onto yor guitar. -----Original Message----- From: Suit & Tie Guy Sent: Oct 27, 2004 11:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things On Oct 27, 2004, at 7:47 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > So is there anything out there that does the Space Station's string pad > thing? can you describe the sound? or perhaps point to downloadable examples? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 13:47:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SHkWP13085; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:46:32 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:46:32 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000601c4bd14$ed19c0a0$e08dfe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E1C@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: Repeater or EDP Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:32:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C4BCF2.A05BE120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C4BCF2.A05BE120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater or EDPThanks, Duncan, this is exactlxy the info I needed. Stephen "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: RE: Repeater or EDP >>In theory this is true, but in praxis you may find that the Repeater = can suddenly not record because "tempo too fast" or "CFC card too = slow"=20 ;-)<<=20 I've seen this a lot on my repeaters, even with the proscribed cfc = cards. it seems to handle things a bit better using it's own memory = instead, but this is somewhat restrictive. usually, though (& in the = context of my use, this is no biggy) it will obey after two or three = tries. I have, incidentally, managed to put wavs onto the cfc using a = computer & get the repeater to play them. this has, however, always been = after creating a "placeholder" of the right duration on the cfc first. = so, typically, one would record a loop (maybe all four tracks) onto the = repeater, then pull the wavs out into an edit program (soundforge or = w.h.y.), tweak them a bit & put them back onto the card without altering = their length or overall size. no problems with this so far. duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C4BCF2.A05BE120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Repeater or EDP
Thanks, Duncan, this is exactlxy the = info I=20 needed.
 
Stephen
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague.=20 And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 goddard.duncan@mtvne.com =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 28, = 2004 12:03=20 PM
Subject: RE: Repeater or = EDP

>>In theory this is true, but in praxis you = may find=20 that the Repeater
can suddenly not record = because=20 "tempo too fast" or "CFC card too slow"
;-)<<

I've seen this a lot on my repeaters, even with the = proscribed=20 cfc cards. it seems to handle things a bit better using it's own = memory=20 instead, but this is somewhat restrictive. usually, though (& in = the=20 context of my use, this is no biggy) it will obey after two or three=20 tries.

I have, incidentally, managed to put wavs onto the = cfc using a=20 computer & get the repeater to play them. this has, however, = always been=20 after creating a "placeholder" of the right duration on the cfc first. = so,=20 typically, one would record a loop (maybe all four tracks) onto the = repeater,=20 then pull the wavs out into an edit program (soundforge or w.h.y.), = tweak them=20 a bit & put them back onto the card without altering their length = or=20 overall size. no problems with this so far.

duncan.



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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C4BCF2.A05BE120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 14:37:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SIZnI19518; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:35:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:35:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:34:37 -0400 From: Adrian Likins To: mungenast@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Message-ID: <20041028183437.GD4507@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <16927199.1098979256039.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16927199.1098979256039.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 12:00:55PM -0400, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks for the 2112 info...probably easier to find than a Space Station. > > Regarding SS vs. Reverberator: While it's true that the casing is the same, > the circuit of the Space Station is apparently unstable, at least according > to my pal Mark Sullivan, who owns 4 Space Stations, only two of which work. > > Regardless, I still really want a Space Station; I'm just unwilling to pay > "vintage" prices for something that the Daddy's chain was blowing out for > $99.99 only 2 years ago. (I wish I'd known about THAT sale!) > Interesting. I was under the impression that the innards of the all the digitech xp-* series were the same with the exception of amount of memory and the firmware on the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space stations firmware and get it to work on some of the other models. Although it does require additional memory on some of the models. Off hand I don't remember which. The forums on guitargeek.com have a fair amount of info about this. Unfortunately, the forum search seems broken at the moment, so it may be hard to find. I belive it was Maneco of Manecolooper fame that first mentioned the possibility. I've thought about doing it myself to pick up a spare for my space station, since the prices seem to have doubled since I picked mine up a couple years ago. > As for the Reverberator, they apparently are inconsistent, because while you > hated yours, mine is marvelous... I a/b'd it with the great-for-the-price EH > Holy Grail, and the EH lost. The 'verb'rator gives me the Country Joe/Bay > Area/Summer'o'Love dark plate thang, plus the amusing and useful "Infinite" > setting. > and/or tastes in reverb varies. I like the reverb on my digitech pedalverb, but it's pretty lo-fi especially compared to studio reverbs. > It doesn't see a lot of concert action, though, because it takes up so much > pedalboard room and it uses that stupid "drama queen" AC wallwart, so my > Godlyke power supply can't feed it. I tend to just use the line6 power supplies, since there are easy to come by (works for the lexicon vortex as well...). It's possible a dc powersupply will work (much the same way the line-6 stuff works since apparently the low voltage ac gets rectified internally) but I havent tried it myself. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net http://www.bluesoundofdeath.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 14:37:13 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SIZhg19489; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:35:43 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:35:43 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Subject: RE: LD interview with Mike Battle Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:33:47 -0700 Message-ID: <03fc01c4bd1c$a9a6c770$6601a8c0@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041027224306.050ef5a0@annihilist.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <9osuo.A.3rE.gvTgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Questions: Is he involved in any current project? Comments about EDP from his perspective. How did the namesake get passed on? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 14:54:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SIqd522928; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:52:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <32557355.1098989495714.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:51:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wacky on Mr. Sullivan's Space Station casualty rate. I bought one new when it came out, haven't had any problems, picked up a used one a few years later, it's also not been a problem. The other guitarist in my band also made extensive use of one and never had any problems. I've seen 2112's for about $200, and it also includes a way to put a 10-second looper into a patch--someone on the list has documented this. The Reverberator seemed to have a bad signal:noise to ratio in my unit, and the control pedal swept from off to on way too quick. I remember the ducked reverb setting being the only thing I could find a use for. I also remember hearing that all the XP series were the same except for a rom and the external paint/lettering. Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:00:55 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Message-ID: <16927199.1098979256039.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the 2112 info...probably easier to find than a Space Station. Regarding SS vs. Reverberator: While it's true that the casing is the same, the circuit of the Space Station is apparently unstable, at least according to my pal Mark Sullivan, who owns 4 Space Stations, only two of which work. Regardless, I still really want a Space Station; I'm just unwilling to pay "vintage" prices for something that the Daddy's chain was blowing out for $99.99 only 2 years ago. (I wish I'd known about THAT sale!) As for the Reverberator, they apparently are inconsistent, because while you hated yours, mine is marvelous... I a/b'd it with the great-for-the-price EH Holy Grail, and the EH lost. The 'verb'rator gives me the Country Joe/Bay Area/Summer'o'Love dark plate thang, plus the amusing and useful "Infinite" setting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 15:20:22 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SJJlW27468; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:19:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:19:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:18:08 -0400 From: Adrian Likins To: mungenast@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: describing the string patchRe: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Message-ID: <20041028191808.GE4507@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <3095901.1098980243073.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3095901.1098980243073.JavaMail.root@bert.psp.pas.earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: <6FvYd.A.unG.zXUgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 12:17:22PM -0400, mungenast@earthlink.net wrote: > describe? easy: the Wakeman/Pinder Mellotron sound. Without having to fart around with gluing a hex-pickup thang onto yor guitar. for a little self promotion and to help the cause: http://www.phasmatodea.net/audio/ The first few minutes of "Beware of Falling Astreroids" makes heavy use of the space station string effect (in this case, me "bowing" the strings on a champan stick with a steel rod processed though the space station). The rest of the track makes use of the space station as well, notably one of the bit crusher/decimator patches. Maybe not the best example because of the extended technique used, but its a start... At some point that sound gets looped and plays though most of the rest of the piece. Adrian http://www.phasmatodea.net http://www.bluesoundofdeath.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 15:20:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SJJui27616; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:19:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:19:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: 28 Oct 2004 19:17:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20041028191747.5998.qmail@webmail1.knology.net> From: "Paul" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Speakers for Home Rig References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Knology Webmail Dec 2003 Release X-IPAddress: 198.78.253.20 X-Sender: Paulrichard10@knology.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi: I wanted to solicit opinions about the above. I currently have two speaker environments with my home recording rig. I use a pair of Alesis powered monitors with my PC recording setup. I also have a mixer/power amp/speaker configuration that I use for recording to a stand alone digital recorder. It did consist of a Behrenger mixer, an Alesis power amp and Electrovoice Sx80 speakers. I run my guitar amps output into the mixer along with output from an Echoplex, drum machine and some other noisemaker stuff. I preferred the 'PA' approach with guitar because the PA-type speakers seem to be able to handle the volume well. I was about to purchase a new pair of speakers such as the Peavey PR Series PA speakers but was wondering if my assumptions about using PA type speakers are valid. Would a pair of reference speakers (with a large enough speaker cone) be appropriate for the home rig? I know the Alesis reference monitors have relatively small speakers (can't remember the size) and they seem like they wouldn't be able to handle the types of signals from elec. guitar, etc. Any comments or advice will be appreciated. I'm not sure I provided an adequately explaination above. Regards, Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 16:03:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SK1rq03623; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:01:53 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:01:53 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <29.65191eb3.2eb2a9c5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:00:05 EDT Subject: 2112 and the xp 300 s.s. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_29.65191eb3.2eb2a9c5_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_29.65191eb3.2eb2a9c5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone have both and could they please tell us which space station sounds are in the 2112.....i recall the looper in the 2112, was it 10 sec. or 5 sec.? i played this unit right when it came out, way before the mighty rang and when i hit the looper patch i almost passed out from joy, THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT I HAD EVER WANTED!.....i think the feedback was 100% i don't really recall and way back then i had no concept of feedback!.....so the looper patch made me forget all the other patches.....i don't remember what this unit cost but it was way more than i could afford.....i remember stupidly walking around the music store and telling people to come hear this looper patch.....they could care less! get away from us you goof!.....my how the times never change.....michael --part1_29.65191eb3.2eb2a9c5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anyone have both and= could they please tell us which space station sounds are in the 2112.....i=20= recall the looper in the 2112, was it 10 sec. or 5 sec.?  i played thi= s unit right when it came out, way before the mighty rang and when i hit the= looper patch i almost passed out from joy, THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT I HAD EV= ER WANTED!.....i think the feedback was 100% i don't really recall and way b= ack then i had no concept of feedback!.....so the looper patch made me forge= t all the other patches.....i don't remember what this unit cost but it was=20= way more than i could afford.....i remember stupidly walking around the musi= c store and telling people to come hear this looper patch.....they could car= e less! get away from us you goof!.....my how the times never change.....mic= hael --part1_29.65191eb3.2eb2a9c5_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 16:15:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SKEV805068; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:14:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:14:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:13:08 -0600 Message-Id: <200410282013.i9SKD8C07540@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: 2112 and the xp 300 s.s. X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.15.69 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > anyone have both and could they please tell us which space station sounds are > in the 2112.....i recall the looper in the 2112, was it 10 sec. or 5 sec.? 10 seconds....and...you can adjust feedback and run two seperate 10 second (or less) loops (one left channel, one right) simultaneously. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 16:34:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SKXTh07769; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:33:29 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:33:29 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <154.42b319d1.2eb2b145@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:32:05 EDT Subject: Re: LD interview with Mike Battle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_154.42b319d1.2eb2b145_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_154.42b319d1.2eb2b145_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/28/04 2:05:04 AM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes: > Mike Battle, the > inventor of the original Echoplex tape delay in the 60's > i remember seeing this unit about the same time at the store where i bought my first electric guitar a GRETSCH CHET ATKIN'S TENNESSEEN brandy new for $350.00 hardshell case included this was around 64-65ish.....they had an echoplex and i seem to recall another unit called THE COPYCAT (?) perhaps that was later.....things begin to blur.....when they demoed the echoplex my entire life changed.....but it was over 30 some years later before i had this type of instantaneous LOOP CAPABILITY i.e. the 5 sec. looper in my Q-2 and then the mighty rang.....30 years of unrequited LUST.....tell mr. battle that he is an evil man!.....:).....michael --part1_154.42b319d1.2eb2b145_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/28/04 2:05:04 AM, kflint@loopers-delight.com writes:

Mike Battle, the
inventor of the original Echoplex tape delay in the 60's


i remember seeing this unit about the same time at the store where i bought=20= my first electric guitar a GRETSCH CHET ATKIN'S TENNESSEEN brandy new for $3= 50.00 hardshell case included this was around 64-65ish.....they had an echop= lex and i seem to recall another unit called THE COPYCAT (?) perhaps that wa= s later.....things begin to blur.....when they demoed the echoplex my entire= life changed.....but it was over 30 some years later before i had this type= of instantaneous LOOP CAPABILITY i.e. the 5 sec. looper in my Q-2 and then=20= the mighty rang.....30 years of unrequited LUST.....tell mr. battle that he=20= is an evil man!.....:).....michael
--part1_154.42b319d1.2eb2b145_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 17:49:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SLnOZ19378; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:49:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:49:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:48:15 EDT Subject: Check out "Avant-Garde Party" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_df.4fcd376.2eb2c31f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_df.4fcd376.2eb2c31f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click Here: Check out "Avant-Garde Party".....how about that!.....congrats andre --part1_df.4fcd376.2eb2c31f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Click Here: Check out "Avant-Garde= Party".....how about that!.....congrats andre --part1_df.4fcd376.2eb2c31f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 18:21:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SMJcV23440; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:19:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:19:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41817023.4030906@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:18:11 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Newbie Hello References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi all. My name's Andreas, and I'm new here :-) A bit about myself and my band: We produce electronica using a PC and a Mac running Ableton Live 4, various softsynths (mainly Absynth2 and Reaktor), the Elottronix XL s/w looper and the Ohmforce OhmBoys delay. Hardware-wise we sequence using a v-drum electronic drum kit and a Doepfer Schaltwerk sequencer. I use a Roland Space Echo Re-101 and a Korg Stage Echo on the inputs to Live4. Both delays have been "modified" in a very unscientific manner by me and my trusty screwdriver, to provide longer, dirtier delays. I usually use the delays to build up ambient tones, rather than regualar loops, as I'm sure a lot of you do too. Although the entire relatively new band also has an "e-drummer", a guitarplayer and a singer, the "core" of the band is my mate and I with our computers. We mainly loop each others outputs, but also guitar, bass, vocals analog synths, and our various midi sources. Recordings are remote controlled by an fcb1010 floorboard. Oh, and we're from Denmark, where are you from? ;) Anyway, I'm happy to be here. I have a lot of thoughts on live performance, and audio enslavement, hehe. Can't wait to start sharin'! Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 18:49:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SMlge29062; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:47:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:47:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041028224635.16280.qmail@web51108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: LD interview with Mike Battle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20041027224306.050ef5a0@annihilist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <9_frTD.A.ZCH.RbXgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Kim Flint wrote: > Do you have any questions you would like to ask > Mike? Please send them to me! Not specific questions, per se, but some directions I wouldn't mind seeing such an interview veer towards would include Mike's background (as in, was/is he an engineer first, was/is he a musician?), how the concept was pitched (Visionary inventor/musician: "We'll make this box with a tape recorder in it that'll make everything echo!" Bean counter in a suit: "Oh. That's nice. We'll sell at least a dozen of those to sound effects men at radio stations."), initial responses from the musical public when the product was first introduced, how it was marketed (I'd love to see some of the original print ads!), some candid comments/observations/reactions/anecdotes from Mike about, on the one hand, the evolution of technology and how it has affected musical equipment in the marketplace (both in terms of the perceived viability of existing gear and the introduction of new stuff), and on the other, the whole concept of "vintage vibe" and the marketability of the retro aesthetic. Whew. Oh, and there's always the Barbara Walters "If you could be any kind of animal..." question, and it might be of relevance to know which brand is his preferred single-malt. :P -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 19:30:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9SNTds03002; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:29:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:29:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041028232731.47157.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041028183437.GD4507@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- Adrian Likins wrote: > Interesting. I was under the impression that the > innards of the all the digitech > xp-* series were the same with the exception of > amount of memory and the firmware on > the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space > stations firmware and get it > to work on some of the other models. Although it > does require additional > memory on some of the models. Now THAT'S interesting! So, theoretically, one could take a representative selection of a few of the best patches from the whole xp-* series and create a custom xp-whatever in one housing??? I'd keep about a quarter to a third of the whammy/wah's, and replace the rest with the best stuff from the 300, and fill it out with a couple of select 'verbs and modulation effects. Really, apart from the flimsy sheet-metal construction, my biggest complaint with the xp series (well, the two I have, at least) is that there's a lot more chaff than wheat. They each have a few sounds that I really like, but for the most part, I get frustrated with the amount of scrolling it takes to navigate to them. (Yes, I do know all about the 'save six of your faves for easy access' feature, but I'd rather just do without the crappy ones.) It's like having a box of 64 crayola crayons and on a particular picture you might want to use only 'blue-green' and 'lemon yellow' but in order to do so, in between the ones you want you have to take 'cornflower' out of the box, hold it in your hand for a second, put it back in, pick up 'burnt sienna', replace it, grab 'magenta', stick it back in, etc... The difference with this analogy is that at some point most of those crayons MIGHT be usable, while many of the patches in the xp-* series have been observed to elicit gag responses in tests on unfortunate laboratory animals. I can't expect that Digitech would *know* which ones *I* think are the crappy ones, though, as in their target demographic there's a wide variety of tastes; I just wish the units were a little more customizable (and less flimsy). -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 20:22:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T0Kpv10065; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:20:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:20:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041028232731.47157.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041028232731.47157.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <61BCA906-2940-11D9-A1C3-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:20:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station (XP300) and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets populated with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional caps on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The EPROMS are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second Space Station. I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact mic through it before my EDPs. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds. BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The Modulator I got from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or some such thing). Must be a flakey component. On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Adrian Likins wrote: > >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the >> innards of the all the digitech >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of >> amount of memory and the firmware on >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space >> stations firmware and get it >> to work on some of the other models. Although it >> does require additional >> memory on some of the models. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 20:38:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T0bQT12926; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:37:26 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:37:26 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:35:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Juan Urquhart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Reply-To: manecolooper@darksites.com X-Originating-Ip: [200.125.28.124] X-Eon-Sig: AQHNrK5BgZBRAA8lYwEAAAAB,a9b3631527d15ab7b415da29e35c1d04 Message-Id: <20041029003530.34B9E3955@sitemail.everyone.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hi ,
that works...i have two xp100's hacked as space stations...the hard part is populating the extra ram positions,and of course cloning the eprom...one of them even has three eproms(xp100,xp200 and xp300 ) eproms piggy backed and with a switch to select the chip enable for them,so i have three pedals in one...you have to turn the power off to switch between them,but it's ULTRA-COOL!!!!!
 
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--- Michael Firman <= maf@mlswebworks.com> wrote:

From: Michael Firman <maf@mlswebwo= rks.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:20:47 -0500
To: Loopers-Delight= @loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of= things


I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space St= ation (XP300)
and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DI= P sockets
populated
with memory and the Modulator has only one (ther= e are two additional
caps
on the Space Station associated with them = memory/sockets). The EPROMS
are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the= Modulator into a second
Space
Station.

I love the Space Stat= ion. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact mic
through
it before= my EDPs. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds.

BTW My Space = Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The
Modulator I got
f= rom a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or some
= such thing).
Must be a flakey component.

On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27= PM, Tim Nelson wrote:

>
> --- Adrian Likins <alikins@re= dhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Interesting. I was under the impres= sion that the
>> innards of the all the digitech
>> xp-* = series were the same with the exception of
>> amount of memory and= the firmware on
>> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the sp= ace
>> stations firmware and get it
>> to work on some of= the other models. Although it
>> does require additional
>&= gt; memory on some of the models.
--
| Michael A. Firman
| maf@mls= webworks.com
| http://www.mlswebworks.com


 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 21:45:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T1i1w22874; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:44:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:44:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004105291533380@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:53:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b76d05c7bf66cfeac105dd624507970f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.116 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Can the Reverberator be hacked into a Space Station? > [Original Message] > From: Michael Firman > To: > Date: 10/28/2004 8:21:23 PM > Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things > > > I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station (XP300) > and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets > populated > with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional > caps > on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The EPROMS > are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second > Space > Station. > > I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact mic > through > it before my EDPs. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds. > > BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The > Modulator I got > from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or some > such thing). > Must be a flakey component. > > On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > --- Adrian Likins wrote: > > > >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the > >> innards of the all the digitech > >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of > >> amount of memory and the firmware on > >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space > >> stations firmware and get it > >> to work on some of the other models. Although it > >> does require additional > >> memory on some of the models. > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 22:09:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T28be25983; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:08:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:08:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.4ee7c9b4.2eb2fffe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:07:58 EDT Subject: Re: Space Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.4ee7c9b4.2eb2fffe_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_12f.4ee7c9b4.2eb2fffe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/28/04 7:27:52 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > I > just wish the units were a little more customizable > (and less flimsy). > i never thought of the s.s. as being flimsy i just dislike 80% of the patches but the other 20% are a big part of my bag-o-tricks.....then the talk of " one of them even has three eproms(xp100,xp200 and xp300 ) eproms piggy backed and with a switch to select the chip enable for them,so i have three pedals in one".....neat! what a pedal that must be!.....is there a way to tighten up the foot pedal part, mine has no resitance, it just flops around, very hard to control.....michael --part1_12f.4ee7c9b4.2eb2fffe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/28/04 7:27:52 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes:


I
just wish the units were a little more customizable
(and less flimsy).


i never thought of the s.s. as being flimsy i just dislike 80% of the patche= s but the other 20% are a big part of my bag-o-tricks.....then the talk of&n= bsp; "
= one of them even has three eproms(xp100,xp200 and xp300 ) eproms piggy ba= cked and with a switch to select the chip enable for them,so i have three pe= dals in one".....neat! what a pedal that must be!.....is there a way to tigh= ten up the foot pedal part, mine has no resitance, it just flops around, ver= y hard to control.....michael --part1_12f.4ee7c9b4.2eb2fffe_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 22:16:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T2GRP27296; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:16:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:16:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <147.376562f1.2eb301df@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:15:59 EDT Subject: Re: Space Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.376562f1.2eb301df_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_147.376562f1.2eb301df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Skoots Klobuchar, Hey there! I keep trying to instant message you but you never reply. Am I to assume I've ticked you off or something? I hope not. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn --part1_147.376562f1.2eb301df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Skoots Klobuchar,

Hey there! I keep trying to instant message you but you never reply.
Am I to assume I've ticked you off or something? I hope not.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn
--part1_147.376562f1.2eb301df_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 22:21:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T2KHM27995; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:20:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:20:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <12f.4ee7c9b4.2eb2fffe@aol.com> References: <12f.4ee7c9b4.2eb2fffe@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-450178978 Message-Id: <2E6CA552-2951-11D9-87B1-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:21:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-2-450178978 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The foot pedal seems to just move an led toward and away from a photo=20 resistor i.e. the pivoting is independent of any of the electronics. I'm sure you can do something=20 about the pivot points - they seem to be just two philips screws. Try tightening them or putting=20 washers on them or some such thing. On Oct 28, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/28/04 7:27:52 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com writes: > > > > I > just wish the units were a little more customizable > (and less flimsy). > > > > i never thought of the s.s. as being flimsy i just dislike 80% of the=20= > patches but the other 20% are a big part of my bag-o-tricks.....then=20= > the talk of=A0 "one of them even has three eproms(xp100,xp200 and = xp300=20 > ) eproms piggy backed and with a switch to select the chip enable for=20= > them,so i have three pedals in one".....neat! what a pedal that must=20= > be!.....is there a way to tighten up the foot pedal part, mine has no=20= > resitance, it just flops around, very hard to control.....michael -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2-450178978 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 The foot pedal seems to just move an led toward and away from a photo resistor i.e. the pivoting is independent of any of the electronics. I'm sure you can do something about the pivot points - they seem to be just two philips screws. Try tightening them or putting washers on them or some such thing. On Oct 28, 2004, at 9:07 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: Optima In a message dated 10/28/04 7:27:52 PM, psychle62@yahoo.com = writes: = OptimaI Optima just wish the units were a little more customizable Optima (and less = flimsy). Optima i never thought of the s.s. as being flimsy i just dislike 80% of the patches but the other 20% are a big part of my bag-o-tricks.....then the talk of=A0 "one of them even has three eproms(xp100,xp200 and xp300 ) eproms piggy backed and with a switch to select the chip enable for them,so i have three pedals in one".....neat! what a pedal that must be!.....is there a way to tighten up the foot pedal part, mine has no resitance, it just flops around, very hard to control.....michael -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-2-450178978-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 28 22:42:35 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T2fPo30585; Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:41:25 -0400 Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:41:25 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410290221.i9T2Ld328247@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410290221.i9T2Ld328247@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:40:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Have you tried tightening the screws on the pivot point for the pedal? They work loose over time. There should a white nylon washer on each one, then a metal washer, then the bolt. > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > Date: October 28, 2004 7:07:58 PM PDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Space Station > > .is there a way to tighten up the foot pedal part, mine has no > resitance, it just flops around, very hard to control.....michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 00:45:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T4iEC14912; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:44:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:44:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "the toy room" To: Subject: RE: Newbie Hello Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:42:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c4bd71$a9092740$6401a8c0@thetoyroom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <41817023.4030906@post.cybercity.dk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Greetings Andreas... Hahaha...small world. Welcome to the Loopers Delight list. And yes, I'm working on our track...just coming out of a two week bout with bronchitis. Ick. ***Andreas and I met on the Ableton forum, and we are collaborating on a Live 4 track. From Los Angeles to Denmark, thanks to Ableton, broadband, and FTP. Yippee! So, again, welcome. You will find many cool folks here. Best regards, Rich -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Newbie Hello Hi all. My name's Andreas, and I'm new here :-) A bit about myself and my band: We produce electronica using a PC and a Mac running Ableton Live 4, various softsynths (mainly Absynth2 and Reaktor), the Elottronix XL s/w looper and the Ohmforce OhmBoys delay. Hardware-wise we sequence using a v-drum electronic drum kit and a Doepfer Schaltwerk sequencer. I use a Roland Space Echo Re-101 and a Korg Stage Echo on the inputs to Live4. Both delays have been "modified" in a very unscientific manner by me and my trusty screwdriver, to provide longer, dirtier delays. I usually use the delays to build up ambient tones, rather than regualar loops, as I'm sure a lot of you do too. Although the entire relatively new band also has an "e-drummer", a guitarplayer and a singer, the "core" of the band is my mate and I with our computers. We mainly loop each others outputs, but also guitar, bass, vocals analog synths, and our various midi sources. Recordings are remote controlled by an fcb1010 floorboard. Oh, and we're from Denmark, where are you from? ;) Anyway, I'm happy to be here. I have a lot of thoughts on live performance, and audio enslavement, hehe. Can't wait to start sharin'! Andreas __________ NOD32 1.910 (20041028) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 00:51:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T4och15939; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:50:38 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:50:38 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041029044957.22162.qmail@web53703.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Space Station To: "Looper's Delight" In-Reply-To: <410-22004105291533380@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-519595942-1099025397=:21523" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-519595942-1099025397=:21523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey...I don't know anything about this particular technology but this is just the strangest thing...I was out doing late night grocery shopping when I got this extreme jones to hear this tune from 1999 called "Space Station" by Milwaukee band F/1, on a composition called Turn Century Turn which I had but lost somehow while moving. And it's just this weird thing like I MUST hear that song! It's a really excellent American attempt at Krautrock and it grooves. So I get home and log on to see if it's at Amazon and low and behold here's the loopers all talking about "Space Station"! Not the very same, but still... quite a freaky coincidence don't ya think? Cosmic "Space Station" synchronicity! Monica Timothy Mungenast wrote: Can the Reverberator be hacked into a Space Station? > [Original Message] > From: Michael Firman > To: > Date: 10/28/2004 8:21:23 PM > Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things > > > I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station (XP300) > and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets > populated > with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional > caps > on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The EPROMS > are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second > Space > Station. > > I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact mic > through > it before my EDPs. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds. > > BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The > Modulator I got > from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or some > such thing). > Must be a flakey component. > > On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > --- Adrian Likins wrote: > > > >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the > >> innards of the all the digitech > >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of > >> amount of memory and the firmware on > >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space > >> stations firmware and get it > >> to work on some of the other models. Although it > >> does require additional > >> memory on some of the models. > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-519595942-1099025397=:21523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey...I don't know anything about this particular technology but this is just
the strangest thing...I was out doing late night grocery shopping when I got
this extreme jones to hear this tune from 1999 called "Space Station"
by Milwaukee band F/1, on a composition called Turn Century Turn which
I had but lost somehow while moving. And it's just this weird thing like I MUST
hear that song! It's a really excellent American attempt at Krautrock and it grooves.
So I get home and log on to see if it's at Amazon and low and behold here's
the loopers all talking about "Space Station"! Not the very same, but still...               quite a freaky coincidence don't ya think?
Cosmic "Space Station" synchronicity!
Monica

Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> wrote:
Can the Reverberator be hacked into a Space Station?


> [Original Message]
> From: Michael Firman
> To:
> Date: 10/28/2004 8:21:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things
>
>
> I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station (XP300)
> and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets
> populated
> with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional
> caps
> on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The EPROMS
> are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second
> Space
> Station.
>
> I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact mic
> through
> it before my EDPs. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds.
>
> BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The
> Modulator I got
> from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or some
> such thing).
> Must be a flakey component.
>
> On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:
>
> >
> > --- Adrian Likins wrote:
> >
> >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the
> >> innards of the all the digitech
> >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of
> >> amount of memory and the firmware on
> >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space
> >> stations firmware and get it
> >> to work on some of the other models. Although it
> >> does require additional
> >> memory on some of the models.
> --
> | Michael A. Firman
> | maf@mlswebworks.com
> | http://www.mlswebworks.com




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Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. --0-519595942-1099025397=:21523-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 02:39:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T6c2U27208; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:38:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:38:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:35:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Space Station From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2E6CA552-2951-11D9-87B1-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >> just wish the units were a little more customizable >> (and less flimsy). sorry, dont know who wrote that but my has bitten it so many times that i can no longer use it because of that reliability prob. i've had mine since they came out and its been back to the digitech shop more than twice...! it just wont hold the patches. wish i could have it hard-wired to just the patches i use...which is about 3! seeya s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 04:00:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T7w2K02751; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:58:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:58:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.121.161.99] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping History Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:56:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2004 07:57:03.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[E09FB2D0:01C4BD8C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'd always thought Pierre Shaeffer had invented looping(at least I thought that since I found out about such things) ,and according to this history, he did,only he did it by cutting a nonspiral groove into a phono disc In 1942 while working for Radio Televison France. So he would have had access to cutting edge technology so to speak. His engineer/assistant ,Pierre Henry was a student of Messian. Apparently Shaeffer's work lead directly to the Mellotron,arguably the first commercial looping device In some circles Les Paul has long been given credit for inventing multitracking,I don't know how accurate this is ,but he does seem to have introduced it into popular music. But: "In 1951, RTF provided Schaeffer with a new studio. It included a tape recorder. This was an important event as the phonograph had been his tool for composition up to that point. One of the recorders had 5 track capability. One , known as the Morphophone, had 12 playback heads, which allowed for tape echo and a pseudo reverb effect. Two other decks known as Phonogenes were designed to play prerecorded loops at different speeds (one came with a 12 note keyboard!). At this time, while stereo was still in developement, Schaeffer had the means of playing up to 5 separate tracks with 5 separate speakers.
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Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 04:11:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T8Ae604069; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:10:40 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:10:40 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.121.161.99] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping History Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:08:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2004 08:09:01.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C4D0500:01C4BD8E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I posted a question to a discussion list for Other Mind's festival in S.F.about who the engineer for Terry Riley might be who was mentioned in Michael Peter's History of Looping. Here's one answer-" A friend of mine, Eric Van der Wyk helped Riley with the physical construction of his setup, but as to the device itself, Richard's right. Anyone who's into sounds and had access to more than one machine came upon that technique right away. In 1955 or 56 I was doing that and loved the fact that the two machines ran at slightly different speeds, so with each iteration the tone shifted about an 8th tone, the direction of shift changed with the order of the two machines in the path. We were all doing multiple-voiced recordings by covering the erase head and using a clock or other such as a synchronizer. Jay" _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 04:57:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T8twA08580; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:55:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 04:55:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000c01c4bd93$f9a99820$389ffe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: <20041028191747.5998.qmail@webmail1.knology.net> Subject: Re: Speakers for Home Rig Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:57:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: <8Qj9tC.A.ADC.oVggBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If money is no issue,, Meyer Sound HD-1 is probably my first choice, along with some larger Klein und Hummel active speakers. This stuff rules. ADAMs are also nice, though not cheap either. Stay away from cheapo stuff like Behringer and co. Genelecs tend to be expensive and mid-heavy. Nice-sounding upon first listening, tiring upon longer listening sessions. Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" To: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: OT: Speakers for Home Rig > Hi: > > I wanted to solicit opinions about the above. I currently have two speaker > environments with my home recording rig. I use a pair of Alesis powered > monitors with my PC recording setup. > > I also have a mixer/power amp/speaker configuration that I use for > recording to a stand alone digital recorder. It did consist of a Behrenger > mixer, an Alesis power amp and Electrovoice Sx80 speakers. > > I run my guitar amps output into the mixer along with output from an > Echoplex, drum machine and some other noisemaker stuff. I preferred > the 'PA' approach with guitar because the PA-type speakers seem to be able > to handle the volume well. > > I was about to purchase a new pair of speakers such as the Peavey PR > Series PA speakers but was wondering if my assumptions about using PA type > speakers are valid. Would a pair of reference speakers (with a large > enough speaker cone) be appropriate for the home rig? I know the Alesis > reference monitors have relatively small speakers (can't remember the > size) and they seem like they wouldn't be able to handle the types of > signals from elec. guitar, etc. > > Any comments or advice will be appreciated. I'm not sure I provided an > adequately explaination above. > > Regards, Paul > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 05:01:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T90Zu09466; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:00:35 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:00:35 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.121.161.99] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Speakers for Home Rig Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:59:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2004 09:00:02.0786 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD434420:01C4BD95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Meyer's stuff is definately top notch.Legacy is also worth checking out
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Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 05:08:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9T96gI10728; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:06:42 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:06:42 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <41817023.4030906@post.cybercity.dk> References: <41817023.4030906@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Newbie Hello Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:05:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 29, 2004, at 0:18, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Oh, and we're from Denmark, where are you from? ;) Hi, Andreas. I'm in Sweden, not too far away from Denmark :-) > Anyway, I'm happy to be here. I have a lot of thoughts on live > performance, and audio enslavement, hehe. Can't wait to start sharin'! Cool! What are you up to? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 07:46:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TBjtB26187; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:45:55 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:45:55 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041029044957.22162.qmail@web53703.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041029044957.22162.qmail@web53703.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-484084252 Message-Id: <1F8ACF2A-29A0-11D9-86F4-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> From: Michael Firman Subject: Re: Space Station Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:46:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-vboAD.A.0VG.m0igBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-484084252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey that's interesting. It must be some sort of synchronicity. I've been contributing to this thread and the following is true; I'm in an ensemble called MEME, one of whose members is a fellow named Grant Richter. Now Grant is a friend and the person responsible for turning me on to the Space Station in the first place. What's so strange about that? Well Grant is also a member of F/i and was on the track that you mentioned! On Oct 28, 2004, at 11:49 PM, Monica wrote: > Hey...I don't know anything about this particular technology but this=20= > is just > the strangest thing...I was out doing late night grocery shopping when=20= > I got > this extreme jones to hear this tune from 1999 called "Space Station" > by Milwaukee band F/1, on a composition called Turn Century Turn which > I had but lost somehow while moving. And it's just this weird thing=20 > like I MUST > hear that song! It's a really excellent American attempt at Krautrock=20= > and it grooves. > So I get home and log on to see if it's at Amazon and low and behold=20= > here's > the loopers all talking about "Space Station"! Not the very same, but=20= > still...=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 quite a freaky = coincidence don't ya think? > Cosmic "Space Station" synchronicity! > Monica > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Can the Reverberator be hacked into a Space Station? > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Michael Firman > > To: > > Date: 10/28/2004 8:21:23 PM > > Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things > > > > > > I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station = (XP300) > > and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets > > populated > > with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional > > caps > > on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The = EPROMS > > are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second > > Space > > Station. > > > > I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact=20= > mic > > through > > it before my EDP! s. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds. > > > > BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The > > Modulator I got > > from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or=20= > some > > such thing). > > Must be a flakey component. > > > > On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Adrian Likins wrote: > > > > > >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the > > >> innards of the all the digitech > > >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of > > >> amount of memory and the firmware on > > >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space > > >> stations firmware and get it > > >> to work on some of the other models. Although it > > >> does require additional > > >> memory on some of the models. > > -- > > | Michael A. Firman > > | maf@mlswebworks.com > > | http://www.mlswebworks.com > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-1-484084252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey that's interesting. It must be some sort of synchronicity. I've been contributing to this thread and the following is true; I'm in an ensemble called MEME, one of whose members is a fellow named Grant Richter. Now Grant is a friend and the person responsible for turning me on to the Space Station in the first place. What's so strange about that? Well Grant is also a member of F/i and was on the track that you mentioned! On Oct 28, 2004, at 11:49 PM, Monica wrote: Hey...I don't know anything about this particular technology but this is just the strangest thing...I was out doing late night grocery shopping when I got this extreme jones to hear this tune from 1999 called "Space Station" by Milwaukee band F/1, on a composition called Turn Century Turn which I had but lost somehow while moving. And it's just this weird thing like I MUST hear that song! It's a really excellent American attempt at Krautrock and it grooves. So I get home and log on to see if it's at Amazon and low and behold here's the loopers all talking about "Space Station"! Not the very same, but still...=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 quite a freaky = coincidence don't ya think? Cosmic "Space Station" synchronicity! Monica Timothy Mungenast < wrote: Can the Reverberator be hacked into a Space Station? > [Original Message] > From: Michael Firman > To: > Date: 10/28/2004 8:21:23 PM > Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things > > > I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station (XP300) > and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets > populated > with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional > caps > on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The EPROMS > are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second > Space > Station. > > I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact mic > through > it before my EDP! s. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds. > > BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The > Modulator I got > from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or some > such thing). > Must be a flakey component. > > On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > --- Adrian Likins wrote: > > > >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the > >> innards of the all the digitech > >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of > >> amount of memory and the firmware on > >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space > >> stations firmware and get it > >> to work on some of the other models. Although it > >> does require additional > >> memory on some of the models. > -- > | Michael A. Firman > | maf@mlswebworks.com > | http://www.mlswebworks.com Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - 0000,0000,EEEEYahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --Apple-Mail-1-484084252-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 08:43:31 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TCfw631814; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:41:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:41:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Bieniosek Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things In-reply-to: <410-220041042804725370@earthlink.net> X-X-Sender: tab27@dunx1.irt.drexel.edu To: Timothy Mungenast Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <410-220041042804725370@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > So is there anything out there that does the Space Station's string pad > thing? >From the "falling asteroids" mp3 it sounds like pitch shifting with feedback on a delay, so you get a cascading effect of rising tones. I can get a similar sound from my korg ax1000g. Correct me if I'm completely mishearing things. Now, what's a source for the lo-fi/atari noises? I've gotten similar effects from mistracking octavers, but not reliably... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 10:29:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TERp411692; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:27:51 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:27:51 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041029142610.97872.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: Space Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1F8ACF2A-29A0-11D9-86F4-0003930F282A@mlswebworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1052559568-1099059970=:97059" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --0-1052559568-1099059970=:97059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Amazing! ...Yeah that's a great tune. Did they use Space Station to record it? Michael Firman wrote:Hey that's interesting. It must be some sort of synchronicity. I've been contributing to this thread and the following is true; I'm in an ensemble called MEME, one of whose members is a fellow named Grant Richter. Now Grant is a friend and the person responsible for turning me on to the Space Station in the first place. What's so strange about that? Well Grant is also a member of F/i and was on the track that you mentioned! On Oct 28, 2004, at 11:49 PM, Monica wrote: > Hey...I don't know anything about this particular technology but this > is just > the strangest thing...I was out doing late night grocery shopping when > I got > this extreme jones to hear this tune from 1999 called "Space Station" > by Milwaukee band F/1, on a composition called Turn Century Turn which > I had but lost somehow while moving. And it's just this weird thing > like I MUST > hear that song! It's a really excellent American attempt at Krautrock > and it grooves. > So I get home and log on to see if it's at Amazon and low and behold > here's > the loopers all talking about "Space Station"! Not the very same, but > still... quite a freaky coincidence don't ya think? > Cosmic "Space Station" synchronicity! > Monica > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Can the Reverberator be hacked into a Space Station? > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Michael Firman > > To: > > Date: 10/28/2004 8:21:23 PM > > Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things > > > > > > I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station (XP300) > > and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets > > populated > > with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional > > caps > > on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The EPROMS > > are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second > > Space > > Station. > > > > I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact > mic > > through > > it before my EDP! s. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds. > > > > BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The > > Modulator I got > > from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or > some > > such thing). > > Must be a flakey component. > > > > On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Adrian Likins wrote: > > > > > >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the > > >> innards of the all the digitech > > >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of > > >> amount of memory and the firmware on > > >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space > > >> stations firmware and get it > > >> to work on some of the other models. Although it > > >> does require additional > > >> memory on some of the models. > > -- > > | Michael A. Firman > > | maf@mlswebworks.com > > | http://www.mlswebworks.com > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. -- | Michael A. Firman | maf@mlswebworks.com | http://www.mlswebworks.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. --0-1052559568-1099059970=:97059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Amazing! ...Yeah that's a great tune. Did they use Space Station to record it?

Michael Firman <maf@mlswebworks.com> wrote:
Hey that's interesting. It must be some sort of synchronicity.
I've been contributing to this thread and the following is true;
I'm in an ensemble called MEME, one of whose members is
a fellow named Grant Richter. Now Grant is a friend and the
person responsible for turning me on to the Space Station in
the first place. What's so strange about that? Well Grant is also
a member of F/i and was on the track that you mentioned!

On Oct 28, 2004, at 11:49 PM, Monica wrote:

> Hey...I don't know anything about this particular technology but this
> is just
> the strangest thing...I was out doing late night grocery shopping when
> I got
> this extreme jones to hear this tune from 1999 called "Space Station"
> by Milwaukee band F/1, on a composition called Turn Century Turn which
> I had but lost somehow while moving. And it's just this weird thing
> like I MUST
> hear that song! It's a really excellent American attempt at Krautrock
> and it grooves.
> So I get home and log on to see if it's at Amazon and low and behold
> here's
> the loopers all talking about "Space Station"! Not the very same, but
> still...               quite a freaky coincidence don't ya think?
> Cosmic "Space Station" synchronicity!
> Monica
>
> Timothy Mungenast wrote:
> Can the Reverberator be hacked into a Space Station?
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Michael Firman
> > To:
> > Date: 10/28/2004 8:21:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things
> >
> >
> > I just cracked open my Modulator (XP200) and my Space Station (XP300)
> > and the PCBs are identical. The Space Station has three DIP sockets
> > populated
> > with memory and the Modulator has only one (there are two additional
> > caps
> > on the Space Station associated with them memory/sockets). The EPROMS
> > are 27C256's. I'm really tempted to hack the Modulator into a second
> > Space
> > Station.
> >
> > I love the Space Station. I pump a Rin Gong equipped with a contact
> mic
> > through
> > it before my EDP! s. Makes for wonderful sound textures and beds.
> >
> > BTW My Space Station has been flawless since it's purchase. The
> > Modulator I got
> > from a friend. It occasionally flakes out (usually by resetting or
> some
> > such thing).
> > Must be a flakey component.
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:27 PM, Tim Nelson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > --- Adrian Likins wrote:
> > >
> > >> Interesting. I was under the impression that the
> > >> innards of the all the digitech
> > >> xp-* series were the same with the exception of
> > >> amount of memory and the firmware on
> > >> the rom. It's possible to burn a rom of the space
> > >> stations firmware and get it
> > >> to work on some of the other models. Although it
> > >> does require additional
> > >> memory on some of the models.
> > --
> > | Michael A. Firman
> > | maf@mlswebworks.com
> > | http://www.mlswebworks.com
>
>
>
>
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
--
| Michael A. Firman
| maf@mlswebworks.com
| http://www.mlswebworks.com


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Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. --0-1052559568-1099059970=:97059-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 10:49:14 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TEmm814519; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-17.tower-1.messagelabs.com!1099061278!22801844!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E2D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping History Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:39:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4BDC5.1E606FA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BDC5.1E606FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Apparently Shaeffer's work lead directly to the Mellotron,arguably the first commercial looping device no. mellotrons have tape in them, but not in loops. the mellotron is best thought of as a replay-only sampler. duncan/r.m.i *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BDC5.1E606FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Looping History

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no. mellotrons have tape in them, but not in loops. the m= ellotron is best thought of as a replay-only sampler.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C4BDC5.1E606FA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 10:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TEmVm14392; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:48:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410291429.i9TETVZ11985@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410291429.i9TETVZ11985@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <68A8D93A-29B9-11D9-A60C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:47:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com That's not the string pad sound--that's the apeggiator patches. The string pad doesn't cascade the pitch shifting. The atari sounding stuff is a ring modulator or 4-bit (I believe) sampling, depending on the patch. TravisH On Oct 29, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > From: Tim Bieniosek > Date: October 29, 2004 5:40:03 AM PDT > To: Timothy Mungenast > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things > > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >> So is there anything out there that does the Space Station's string >> pad >> thing? > > > From the "falling asteroids" mp3 it sounds like pitch shifting with > feedback on a delay, so you get a cascading effect of rising tones. I > can > get a similar sound from my korg ax1000g. Correct me if I'm completely > mishearing things. > > Now, what's a source for the lo-fi/atari noises? I've gotten similar > effects from mistracking octavers, but not reliably... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 11:27:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TFPnx18726; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:25:49 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:25:49 -0400 Old-Return-Path: DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CaMl773mYmBEMDGNp2qdw4rJwF5oJkBJI7zkPu8DPuhTxOcItkrkYhK9n+6G0zriOp2arB5Fja8e4Pkpvk56ETzZ/onAX2sizjpa3jj/ciRdY/ucJS/zHpVo4s+j/UKIjTUXM3BRLxcWCI3l0svjp2Tue8ksdrk+9Qwx8sBTVag= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:24:16 -0400 From: Jesse Chappell Reply-To: Jesse Chappell To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: SooperLooper In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I am the author of SooperLooper. I've recently reimplemented it to run as a standalone JACK application with control via OSC, MIDI, and/or an optional GUI. It was developed primarily under Linux but has been recently tested to work on OSX. Certain features are not yet fully implemented, but when they are I intend to post an official release announcement. For those of you who use Linux, feel free to build the version available from the website (sorry, no packages yet). For OSX users, I suggest you wait a bit until some installation issues are resolved (and a possible package is provided). I'm also considering providing a plugin version (multiple formats), but am still unsure how to present some of the features within the more limiting confines of plugin architectures. Jesse Chappell On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:13:53 +0100, jeremy wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've seen a project on Source Forge called "SooperLooper", home page > > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ > > It's come out of the Linux community but as it runs under JACK which has now > been released for OSX there may be something coming out of this. > > Seems it's still in beta at the moment but perhaps some interest to people > on the list. > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 11:49:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TFmMg20997; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:48:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:48:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things In-Reply-To: <68A8D93A-29B9-11D9-A60C-003065E8972C@sprintmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just wanted to add my $.02 (or $250-300 as the market seems to be :)) for the Spacer Station. Last summer I picked one up for my Guitar/Not Guitar all Guitar Synth shows for a local festival. IMO the pedal is built just fine. I haven't used it much but it traveled well and worked flawlessly. I have had to tighten the screws on the rocker pedal to make it a bit more usable but that's the only maintenence. I too would prefer if it ran off a battery but it doesn't so what can you do. The wall wart isn't that big so it's pretty practical to use among other pedals with a bit of planning. I used two volume pedals, the Space station, and a SKB pedal bag full of stomp boxes all into a DL4 delay (for looping) which ran on it's own wall wart. one good multi-outlet strip and some layout work and I was fine and not tripping over wires. The Space Station has a few tricks but needs to be used sparingly IMO. The strings settting is cool but not nearly as interesting as something like a midi guitar triggering some analog pads or a Roland VG8 type thing. The multitap arpeggiators or ring mods etc make good "werid noises" but as a synth guitar player I have to say that gets old quick too if that's all you're doing. So while it's got some great stuff in there it also run the danger of being a Novelty" if you overdo it. Just IMO. The best thing about the Space Station is that it's small and you *don't* need a specific guitar or GKwhatever pickup system. Plug a hondo or $150 danelectro into the 1/4" and you're ready to rock (or Soar as the case may be :)). There is NO tweaking on it whatsoever but at least you get the exporessino pedal so you can do *some* sweeping, etc. With a bit of practice and some basic composition skills anyone can make a good "weird" guitar synth/noise type song and in my world that's a good thing :) Is it worth current market value (Seems t be about $200-$300 depending on who's selling)? I'd say given what guitar things go for, yes. Anyone remember the Korg G5 bass synth unit? Those sold for $99 too at one point on blow out. In this day an age of Boutique $300 fuzz boxes the Space staion offers something unique and compact. You can get similar effects with a trashy Zoom 505 if you just want weird pitch shifting, delays' etc. but the Space station goes the extra mile and again , it's all-in-one nature makes it a cool box for someone looking for a compact bit o' weirdness. I don't use mine much at all these days but I keep it in it's box ready for action. Given what it does and what it's worth I'd say it's either a vintage $$ sell piece or a keeper. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 12:01:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TG0vl22727; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:00:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:00:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Ironport-AV: i="3.86,110,1096862400"; d="scan'208"; a="386029032:sNHT15061472" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CEDC0AE-29C3-11D9-A937-000D932F9118@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:00:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 29, 2004, at 8:44 AM, Legion wrote: > Just wanted to add my $.02 Me, too! For MY $$, the SStation offers the flat-out BEST reverse delay effect ever...it's all I ever use it for; preset 7, I think (never switch out of it so I don't recall). dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 14:57:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TItvL16674; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:55:57 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:55:57 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <41828F60.5090400@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:43:44 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #397 for October 28, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/041028.html EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #397 October 28, 2004 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on E-dition Magazine. The Featured CD at Midnight was the sampler CD included with E-dition issue #4. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pandemonium" by Jean-Baptiste Barriere on Atem Records. E-dition Magazine - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/focus04.html#oct PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Jean-Baptiste Barriere La Chute Pandemonium (Atem) Gert Emmens and Wichman part 1 Unreleased CDR ++ Ruud Heij Keller & Schonwalder Cill Out The Reason Whu Part Two (Manikin) Centrozoon Blast Blast (DiN) Numina/Caul Serpent Sounds Inside the Hollow Realm (Gestalt) 12:00 am VA [Tangerine Dream] World of the day E-dition Issue #4 VA [Retrowave] Voodooking E-dition Issue #4 VA [Radio Massacre Nucleotide Diversities E-dition Issue #4 International] VA [Amin Bathia] Hostility: Intruder E-dition Issue #4 Alert/The Attack VA [Loren Nerell] Taksu E-dition Issue #4 VA [Ulrich Schnauss] Monday - paracetamol E-dition Issue #4 VA [Terje Winther] Essinc E-dition Issue #4 VA [Frank Van Bogaert] Closer E-dition Issue #4 VA [Epiphany] Mindsong * E-dition Issue #4 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on the now defunct Lektronic Soundscapes record label. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Soundscape Gallery series one" featuring artists who were, at the time, establishing themselves in the genre, as well as some well established artists of the day. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Body Love" by Klause Schulze on Metronome Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic Stream URL: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 15:26:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TJL0m19952; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:21:00 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:21:00 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: EDP and Adrenalinn Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:19:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS97DHcs1CD2EWCQ5aI3TmCiObyGQ== Message-Id: <20041029191917.QHEM4331.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Just reporting in-- Seems the AdrenaLinn will solve my ongoing loop percussion needs. Just got the original on eBay, and if 8th/beat is set high enough, the AdrenaLinn starts when the loop is ended--of course, if you run the beat first, it continues, but if the 8th is off, the tempo can be double (or half, etc.) It has delay, but this one is short--just ordered the upgrade, it gives the unit 2.8 secs of synched delay--almost a looper (no "freeze", but feedback control. Amp models are good but very rock and roll--filters and mod effects are great but that isn't what I needed--but I'll take 'em! Gary PS Bill Walker, probably not what you need for portability to replace tube amp--but check it out. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 15:47:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TJkdx23265; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:46:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:46:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410291945.i9TJjOa22974@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: EDP and Adrenalinn Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:45:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20041029191917.QHEM4331.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS97DHcs1CD2EWCQ5aI3TmCiObyGQAA4S+Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You will love the upgrade just play with it for a few days without and then do the upgrade you will then understand why the upgrade was worth the money. Enjoy :) -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 3:19 PM To: 'Looper's Delight' Subject: EDP and Adrenalinn Just reporting in-- Seems the AdrenaLinn will solve my ongoing loop percussion needs. Just got the original on eBay, and if 8th/beat is set high enough, the AdrenaLinn starts when the loop is ended--of course, if you run the beat first, it continues, but if the 8th is off, the tempo can be double (or half, etc.) It has delay, but this one is short--just ordered the upgrade, it gives the unit 2.8 secs of synched delay--almost a looper (no "freeze", but feedback control. Amp models are good but very rock and roll--filters and mod effects are great but that isn't what I needed--but I'll take 'em! Gary PS Bill Walker, probably not what you need for portability to replace tube amp--but check it out. G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 16:00:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TJxGI25715; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:59:16 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:59:16 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:57:55 -0400 From: Adrian Likins To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Timothy Mungenast Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Message-ID: <20041029195755.GB10660@redhat.com> Reply-To: alikins@redhat.com References: <410-220041042804725370@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Resent-Message-ID: <7F-48B.A.ONG.GDqgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 08:40:03AM -0400, Tim Bieniosek wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > So is there anything out there that does the Space Station's string pad > > thing? > > > >From the "falling asteroids" mp3 it sounds like pitch shifting with > feedback on a delay, so you get a cascading effect of rising tones. I can > get a similar sound from my korg ax1000g. Correct me if I'm completely > mishearing things. > > Now, what's a source for the lo-fi/atari noises? I've gotten similar > effects from mistracking octavers, but not reliably... Mostly the decimator/bit reduction sounds (preset 20 iirc). Assuming we're talking about what I think your talking about ;-> Steve is also making some video game noises in there as well, so it can be hard to tell whats what at times ;-> The rising tones is mostly from what I was playing (bowing a metal rod aginst the string and slowly sliding it up and down the neck). The string swell sounds seem to be some variant of "slow" effect + pitch shift + multi tap delay. The delay is a little easier to hear when you quickly play something with a lot of attack (and therefore, defeating the "slowgear" style effect). Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 18:07:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TM5o110469; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:05:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:05:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4182BE8B.5010609@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:04:59 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Hello References: <41817023.4030906@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <57w0pC.A.whC.N6rgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Ah, another Ableton forum regular, eh? :) Right now I'm experimenting with midi-looping combined with audio looping. Live4 is sooo deep in that respect, it may take a while before I surface!!! Currently I'm making plans for recording midi loops from a drummer, tweaking effects on softsampler he's playing, and then reassigning the resulting audioloops to the drummer, and repeat ;) fairly weird. More on that soon. There should be some cool improv mp3s soonish, meaning; later this year. Andreas PS: big fan of your work, Per, jättebra! Just my kind of thing, the mix electronica and jazz. Mmmm. Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 29, 2004, at 0:18, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > >> Oh, and we're from Denmark, where are you from? ;) > > > Hi, Andreas. I'm in Sweden, not too far away from Denmark :-) > >> Anyway, I'm happy to be here. I have a lot of thoughts on live >> performance, and audio enslavement, hehe. Can't wait to start sharin'! > > > Cool! What are you up to? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 19:29:51 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9TNSRe20002; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:28:27 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:28:27 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041029232718.56046.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <4Ou-PD.A.3zE.cHtgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I had a Space Station and man I loved that little pedal. However, I sold it when Digitech added a lot of the functionality that the Space Station had to the 2120 processor. The good thing about the 2120 is that the peramiters were tweakable, unlike the Space Station so there was less of that "oh, that's the Space Station 35 preset" thing going on. I sold my 2120, but if you can find one on ebay, I highly recommend it. Great preamp tone too, IMO. Mark --- Legion wrote: > > Just wanted to add my $.02 (or $250-300 as the > market seems to be :)) for > the Spacer Station. Last summer I picked one up for > my Guitar/Not Guitar > all Guitar Synth shows for a local festival. > > IMO the pedal is built just fine. I haven't used it > much but it traveled > well and worked flawlessly. I have had to tighten > the screws on the rocker > pedal to make it a bit more usable but that's the > only maintenence. > > I too would prefer if it ran off a battery but it > doesn't so what can you > do. The wall wart isn't that big so it's pretty > practical to use among > other pedals with a bit of planning. I used two > volume pedals, the Space > station, and a SKB pedal bag full of stomp boxes all > into a DL4 delay (for > looping) which ran on it's own wall wart. one good > multi-outlet strip and > some layout work and I was fine and not tripping > over wires. > > The Space Station has a few tricks but needs to be > used sparingly IMO. The > strings settting is cool but not nearly as > interesting as something like a > midi guitar triggering some analog pads or a Roland > VG8 type thing. The > multitap arpeggiators or ring mods etc make good > "werid noises" but as a > synth guitar player I have to say that gets old > quick too if that's all > you're doing. So while it's got some great stuff in > there it also run the > danger of being a Novelty" if you overdo it. Just > IMO. > > The best thing about the Space Station is that it's > small and you *don't* > need a specific guitar or GKwhatever pickup system. > Plug a hondo or $150 > danelectro into the 1/4" and you're ready to rock > (or Soar as the case may > be :)). There is NO tweaking on it whatsoever but at > least you get the > exporessino pedal so you can do *some* sweeping, > etc. With a bit of > practice and some basic composition skills anyone > can make a good > "weird" guitar synth/noise type song and in my world > that's a good thing > :) > > Is it worth current market value (Seems t be about > $200-$300 depending on > who's selling)? I'd say given what guitar things go > for, yes. Anyone > remember the Korg G5 bass synth unit? Those sold for > $99 too at one point > on blow out. In this day an age of Boutique $300 > fuzz boxes the Space > staion offers something unique and compact. You can > get similar effects > with a trashy Zoom 505 if you just want weird pitch > shifting, delays' > etc. but the Space station goes the extra mile and > again , it's all-in-one > nature makes it a cool box for someone looking for a > compact bit o' > weirdness. > > I don't use mine much at all these days but I keep > it in it's box ready > for action. Given what it does and what it's worth > I'd say it's either a > vintage $$ sell piece or a keeper. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music > since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery > with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, > Casios, and more. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 20:15:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U0FV625486; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:15:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:15:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: EDP Loop IV Question Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:13:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS+FVJgNoLpk7LvTveyZFABREYScw== Message-Id: <20041030001340.NBGV768.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Here's one-- Can the presets on the EDP be changed with MIDI while the unit is in record? Hmmmm? I guess I could try it myself . . . Did so, and the answer is . . . "Yes". Wow-- Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 21:06:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U15Nq31024; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:05:23 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:05:23 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <4182E640.5020702@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:54:24 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emusic-wdiy Mailing List , WDIY , Ambient Mailing List Subject: EMUSIC Monthly Top 20 Playlist for October, 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2004/top20oct.html WDIY 88.1 FM "EMUSIC" Top 20 for October, 2004. Shows #394 to #397; 7-October-2004 to 28-October-2004 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Chad Hoefler - Twilight in the Offing - Hypnos Christopher Short - Duende - AtmoWorks Dave Brewer - Harmonic Resonance - none Galactic Anthems - Abstract Circuitry - none Gears of Sand - Sounds from the Vacuum Vol. 1 John Lakveet - Building Sequential Stones Vol. 1 - Groove Keller & Schonwalder - The Reason Why Part Two - Manikin Max Corbacho - Moontribe - AD21 Numina/Caul - Inside the Hollow Realm - Gestalt Ozone Player - Frozen Paint On Boiling Canvas - Visual Power Paul Nagle - Red Book/Blue Book - Neu Harmony S. Baltes, H. Grosskopf and Axel Heilhecker - Four Times Three - Groove The Glimmer Room - Grey Mirrors - A-Frame Media TouchXTone - Java X Monkey - none Various Artists - E-dition Issue #1 Various Artists - E-dition Issue #2 Various Artists - E-dition Issue #3 Various Artists - E-dition Issue #4 Various Artists - Fluidities - Foundry Wintersilence - Transmission Fields - Amplexus From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 22:11:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U2AxD05468; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:10:59 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:10:59 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1CNigM47dk-0001jD@mrelay.perfora.net> From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:09:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20041029232718.56046.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS+DwDG6ObqvqNuQMWbQWeDKKLflgAFgm5A Resent-Message-ID: <1OuizC.A.gOB.bfvgBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I sold my 2120 too, and it had independent left/right processing. Really cool wacky effects if you program them right. I hated the preamp tone though. I use a Roland GP-100 now- you can do small loops, like 2 seconds. But it has cool things like pitch shifted delays, 4 part harmony, forward and backward (some harmony parts can go forward, some backward, etc. Really capable of some sick sounds. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > I sold my 2120, but if you can find one on ebay, I highly > recommend it. Great preamp tone too, IMO. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 22:21:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U2JkW06315; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:19:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:19:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <410-22004106302300210@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.89.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RPS-10 Re: Space Station Re: the finite nature of things Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:30:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e42e647ee6c2bfcf1a7e89fe958d7727350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.149.208.146 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com well, for reverse, let's not forget the wonderful lo-res Boss RPS-10... mine will be buried with me when I die, or I might leave it to my daughter instead. This thing gives a deep, rich reverse sound. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 23:05:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U34DL11262; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:04:13 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:04:13 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:03:18 EDT Subject: Re: Space Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_a0.1aa8b66a.2eb45e76_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_a0.1aa8b66a.2eb45e76_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/28/04 10:40:55 PM, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes: > Have you tried tightening the screws > i'm all over this!.....thanks.....michael --part1_a0.1aa8b66a.2eb45e76_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/28/04 10:40:55 PM, tiktok@sprintmail.com writes:


Have you tried tightening the s= crews


i'm all over this!.....thanks.....michael
--part1_a0.1aa8b66a.2eb45e76_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 29 23:14:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U3DlO12529; Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:13:47 -0400 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:13:47 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: RE: Looping History - Mellotron - How Does It Work? Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:13:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4BDF3.B8901750" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE557E2D@lon-oxmail02> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS9xpQnnplQaYHrS8CuHEK4CrtRoQAZgSWg Message-Id: <20041030031304.OXSU12244.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4BDF3.B8901750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's a link that describes how it works http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/7846/mtron_desc.html Tom _____ From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 7:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping History >>Apparently Shaeffer's work lead directly to the Mellotron,arguably the first commercial looping device no. mellotrons have tape in them, but not in loops. the mellotron is best thought of as a replay-only sampler. duncan/r.m.i *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4BDF3.B8901750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Looping History
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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4BDF3.B8901750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 03:38:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U7b2210175; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:37:02 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:37:02 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.121.164.116] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mellotron - Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:35:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 07:36:02.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B519170:01C4BE53] Resent-Message-ID: <5naDTC.A.ZcC.qR0gBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I already know how mellotrons work . I've opened one up.You can think of it as a replay only sampler if you like,I wouldn;t argue,it's a reasonable functional description,but I'm trying to explore the history and development of ideas and techniques ,your description doesn;t address the idea that Shaeffer,the originator of looping directly influenced the development of the mellotron. Also if you want to use strict definitions digital boxes don't have loops in them either,and so aren't loopers. I've had correspondance w/ someone who knows Terry Riley and asked him.Riley says he can't remember the name of the engineer,but that he was employed by RTF .This is significant ,as RTF employed Pierre Shaefer when he did his looping experiments in the 40s. Alot of people assert that everyone who that got their hands on a tape machine in the early 60s looped it,but there is pretty clear evidence showing that a single person invented it ,and that further developments spread from the RadioTelevision France where he worked ,and had the first multitrack tape machines.
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We finish. --0-1595185724-1099122885=:10247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 04:50:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U8nHl21469; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:49:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <004401c4be5c$3ef181e0$cda0fe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: Mellotron - Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:39:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi all, having played more than thirty Mellotrons of all types (M-400, Mk. 5, Mk. 2, M-300, and having actually owned one or two machines) over the past couple of years, I think I should chime in here. To put one thing straight first, the original Chamberlin/Mellotron design does not use closed loops of tape, but one legth of tape per key which allows you to play sustained notes for about eight seconds. The Birotron uses closed loops of tape stored on eight-track cartridges, and the Optigan/Orchestron use loops of optical waveforms drawn on translucent discs. I don´t think any "looper" or tape-based artist like Schaeffer, Henri or Stockhausen had an influence on the developement of the Mellotron. The Mellotron idea originated in the garage of Harry Chamberlin´s, an American inventor, where he designed a tapebased playback system that allowed him to store sounds on tape and play them by means of a keyboard (probably because he wanted more realistic sounds that a Hammond or whatever other organ could offer him) in the early 1950s. Magnetic tape had just become available past WW2 when German Magnetophon tapes and tape recorders were brought over to America and the idea was successfully adopted by Ampex, among others (Bing Crosby being one of the original Ampex shareholders, btw.). At roughly the same time Les Paul started doing tape experiments at home, applying various recording and playback techniques to this new medium (if at all, I think Les Paul can be called the father of both the homerecording studio and looping techniques). Funny is that before that, recordings were etched into wax disk by means of a stylus (like the way records were cut for ages), and the BBC continued to do so until the early 1960s, I think, before they switched over to using magnetic tape. Stockhausen, Schaeffer and others were using the tape medium as a means to reproduce certain structures by chopping up tapes into splices of certain length in order to produce rhythmic patterns (or to manipulate sounds). Out of this fashion of chopping up tapes Donald Buchla devised his first sequencer which allowed the performer to repeat certain patterns electronically, both on a sound-generating and sound-controlling level. Like it is often the case, the original inventor didn´t have the ambition to copyright his invention because he didn´t realize how far-reaching his invention would actually be. In Harry Chamberlin´s case, his idea was snatched from him by a ruthless (today he would be called "efficient") entrepreneur by the name of Bill Fransen who took Chamberlin´s ideas to England and introduced it as his own to three English gentlemen by the names of Les, Frank, and Norman Bradley of Streetly Electronics near Birmingham, a firm that produced various accessories for tape recorders, among other things (like recording and playback heads). Based on Chamberlin´s ideas, they unknowingly infringed on his mental property by designing the Mellotron Mk. 1 which was the ancestor of the famous Mk. 2 and M-400 many musicians used throughout the 60s and 70s (and still today they use Trons, as I had the pleasure of playing Oasis´ Mellotron M-400 at Martin Smith´s place in Staffordshire where he and John Bradley are still fixing and refurbishing Mellotrons). A lot later Chamberlin found out about how his original ideas were used without his approval, and it caused quite a lot embarrassment on the Streetly side because they had not properly investigated if the idea they were using was actually copyrighted. I´m not going to elaborate on the history of the Mellotron as most of you will know anyway, and if not, there´s plenty of literature available. For a start I´d recommend Peter Forrest´s A-Z of Analogue Synthesisers. As for the Chamberlin itself, I have never played one but what I have heard come out of it (like some of the Saxophone and Brass stuff on Bowie´s "Low") sounds amazing and a lot better than the Mellotron (especially the female choir of the Chamberlin sounds awesome). The nice thing about the Chamberlin´s tone is that it is not as overused and well-known (read: cliché-ridden) as the Mellotron, which makes it a little more exotic (Tracy Chapman´s live keyboard player ad a Chamberlin M-1 with him, btw). If at all, Harry Chamberlin could be called the father of the sound sampling system based on keyboard instruments, just like Edison could be called the father of harddisk recording (in the most appropriate sense of the word). Looping as we know it today -- and as it was used and cultivated by artists like Bob Fripp, Dave Torn and numerous others, you name them -- goes back to Les Paul in my opinion. Sorry for wasting bandwidth, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you´re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba *" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: Mellotron - > I already know how mellotrons work . I've opened one up.You can think of > it as a replay only sampler if you like,I wouldn;t argue,it's a reasonable > functional description,but I'm trying to explore the history and development > of ideas and techniques ,your description doesn;t address the idea that > Shaeffer,the originator of looping directly influenced the development of > the mellotron. Also if you want to use strict definitions digital boxes > don't have loops in them either,and so aren't loopers. > I've had correspondance w/ someone who knows Terry Riley and asked > him.Riley says he can't remember the name of the engineer,but that he was > employed by RTF .This is significant ,as RTF employed Pierre Shaefer when > he did his looping experiments in the 40s. Alot of people assert that > everyone who that got their hands on a tape machine in the early 60s looped > it,but there is pretty clear evidence showing that a single person invented > it ,and that further developments spread from the RadioTelevision France > where he worked ,and had the first multitrack tape machines. > > > >
> > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 04:55:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9U8rw122401; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:53:58 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:53:58 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [165.121.164.116] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mellotron Looping history Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:52:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 08:53:00.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC0A8750:01C4BE5D] Resent-Message-ID: <2jmzAC.A.1aF.yZ1gBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm really trying explore the history of looping ,not of mellotrons,which I've explored in a previous existence.
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Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 06:15:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UAEd606517; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 06:14:39 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 06:14:39 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:16:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Has anyone had a look at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set with the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14486 http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14743 http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/ Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been so much more credible being the musician he is... Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 07:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UBpMK27324; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:51:22 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:51:22 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041030115009.32171.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: digitech 2120 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20041029232718.56046.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I believe Robert Fripp had one at one point too didn´t he? but he has kept his GP100s and with a good reason too cheers Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I had a Space Station and man I loved that little > pedal. However, I sold it when Digitech added a lot > of the functionality that the Space Station had to > the > 2120 processor. The good thing about the 2120 is > that > the peramiters were tweakable, unlike the Space > Station so there was less of that "oh, that's the > Space Station 35 preset" thing going on. > > I sold my 2120, but if you can find one on ebay, I > highly recommend it. Great preamp tone too, IMO. > > Mark > > --- Legion wrote: > > > > > Just wanted to add my $.02 (or $250-300 as the > > market seems to be :)) for > > the Spacer Station. Last summer I picked one up > for > > my Guitar/Not Guitar > > all Guitar Synth shows for a local festival. > > > > IMO the pedal is built just fine. I haven't used > it > > much but it traveled > > well and worked flawlessly. I have had to tighten > > the screws on the rocker > > pedal to make it a bit more usable but that's the > > only maintenence. > > > > I too would prefer if it ran off a battery but it > > doesn't so what can you > > do. The wall wart isn't that big so it's pretty > > practical to use among > > other pedals with a bit of planning. I used two > > volume pedals, the Space > > station, and a SKB pedal bag full of stomp boxes > all > > into a DL4 delay (for > > looping) which ran on it's own wall wart. one good > > multi-outlet strip and > > some layout work and I was fine and not tripping > > over wires. > > > > The Space Station has a few tricks but needs to be > > used sparingly IMO. The > > strings settting is cool but not nearly as > > interesting as something like a > > midi guitar triggering some analog pads or a > Roland > > VG8 type thing. The > > multitap arpeggiators or ring mods etc make good > > "werid noises" but as a > > synth guitar player I have to say that gets old > > quick too if that's all > > you're doing. So while it's got some great stuff > in > > there it also run the > > danger of being a Novelty" if you overdo it. Just > > IMO. > > > > The best thing about the Space Station is that > it's > > small and you *don't* > > need a specific guitar or GKwhatever pickup > system. > > Plug a hondo or $150 > > danelectro into the 1/4" and you're ready to rock > > (or Soar as the case may > > be :)). There is NO tweaking on it whatsoever but > at > > least you get the > > exporessino pedal so you can do *some* sweeping, > > etc. With a bit of > > practice and some basic composition skills anyone > > can make a good > > "weird" guitar synth/noise type song and in my > world > > that's a good thing > > :) > > > > Is it worth current market value (Seems t be about > > $200-$300 depending on > > who's selling)? I'd say given what guitar things > go > > for, yes. Anyone > > remember the Korg G5 bass synth unit? Those sold > for > > $99 too at one point > > on blow out. In this day an age of Boutique $300 > > fuzz boxes the Space > > staion offers something unique and compact. You > can > > get similar effects > > with a trashy Zoom 505 if you just want weird > pitch > > shifting, delays' > > etc. but the Space station goes the extra mile and > > again , it's all-in-one > > nature makes it a cool box for someone looking for > a > > compact bit o' > > weirdness. > > > > I don't use mine much at all these days but I keep > > it in it's box ready > > for action. Given what it does and what it's worth > > I'd say it's either a > > vintage $$ sell piece or a keeper. > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - > > Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music > > since we started..." > > > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording > Gallery > > with pictures and > > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, > > Casios, and more. > > > > > > > > > > ===== www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 07:58:33 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UBwAS29377; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:58:10 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:58:10 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mellotron - Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:57:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 30, 2004, at 9:35, samba * wrote: > I've had correspondance w/ someone who knows Terry Riley and asked > him.Riley says he can't remember the name of the engineer,but that he > was employed by RTF .This is significant ,as RTF employed Pierre > Shaefer when he did his looping experiments in the 40s. Very interesting! The other week I was just reading about Reiley's early experimenting and I noted the reference to "an anonymous engineer" who inspired Terry for the "Time Lag Accumulator". So that guy may have been Shaefer! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 08:13:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UCDSV31846; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:13:28 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:13:28 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000c01c4be78$c25f6080$d09ffe91@synthhost> From: "wavecomputer360" To: Subject: EDP sync problem Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:02:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4BE89.0F113740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4BE89.0F113740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blame it on the weather, maybe... but: my EDPs are exhibiting some strange behaviour which rather puzzles me as = they both used to work flawlessly as a duo until the other night. I=B4m = using a stereo setup of two EDPs with identical OS (Loop III, 5.0). I = don=B4t use them as loop units but as delays. They are synced by means = of Brother Sync and MIDI in order to control both units from a master. = Both are set to MIDI channel #1 and the slave unit says Ctrl. In while = the master says Ctrl. Out. They both power up at the same time with no = delay between them. Now, when I press Record, the master unit starts recording immediately = while the slave unit waits for a couple of seconds, showing "ooo" in the = display, and then starts recording. Of course, delay times are not the = same for both channels, for instance 8.6 seconds on the master unit and = 7.8 seconds on the slave which is very annoying. I originally had them = both set to wait after the Record button had been hit once and start = recording upon hitting the button a second time (and I=B4d like to have = it that way again). Now they only start recording simultaneously when I = press Record longer in order to erase the previously recorded loop. I = wonder why that is, especially since I didn=B4t change any of the = settings once I had them both set up the way I wanted them to be. I = guess that=B4s some MIDI issue here but I=B4m not sure. I remember = Krispen Hartung having had similiar problems with his stereo setup. How = can I get them both running again? Is there a way to reset them = completely before setting them up again? Kim? Thanks for info, Stephen. PS: Even though they both have the same OS installed, one unit restarts = itself when MIDI dump is activated by mistake while the other shows the = behaviour described in the manual (two blinking hyphens and the display = reading 0). Are there different OS even within the same revision? "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." 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Blame it on the weather, maybe... = but:
 
my EDPs are exhibiting some strange = behaviour which=20 rather puzzles me as they both used to work flawlessly as a duo until = the other=20 night. I=B4m using a stereo setup of two EDPs with identical OS (Loop = III, 5.0). I=20 don=B4t use them as loop units but as delays. They are synced by means = of Brother=20 Sync and MIDI in order to control both units from a master. Both are set = to MIDI=20 channel #1 and the slave unit says Ctrl. In while the master says Ctrl. = Out.=20 They both power up at the same time with no delay between = them.
 
Now, when I press Record, the master = unit starts=20 recording immediately while the slave unit waits for a couple of = seconds,=20 showing "ooo" in the display, and then starts recording. Of = course, delay=20 times are not the same for both channels, for instance 8.6 seconds on = the master=20 unit and 7.8 seconds on the slave which is very annoying. I = originally had=20 them both set to wait after the Record button had been hit once and = start=20 recording upon hitting the button a second time (and I=B4d like to have = it that=20 way again). Now they only start recording simultaneously when I press = Record=20 longer in order to erase the previously recorded loop. I wonder why that = is,=20 especially since I didn=B4t change any of the settings once I had them = both set up=20 the way I wanted them to be. I guess that=B4s some MIDI issue here but = I=B4m not=20 sure. I remember Krispen Hartung having had similiar problems with = his=20 stereo setup. How can I get them both running again? Is there a way = to=20 reset them completely before setting them up again?
 
Kim?
 
Thanks for info,
 
Stephen.
 
PS: Even though they both have the same = OS=20 installed, one unit restarts itself when MIDI dump is activated by = mistake while=20 the other shows the behaviour described in the manual (two blinking = hyphens and=20 the display reading 0). Are there different OS even within the same=20 revision?
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer = of this=20 planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith /=20 Matrix)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C4BE89.0F113740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 08:14:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UCEI232230; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:14:18 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:14:18 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FE6AD98-2A6D-11D9-A74D-000A9599BFB4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:13:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <68XXGC.A.3zH.2V4gBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 30, 2004, at 12:16, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > Has anyone had a look at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set > with > the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin: > > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14486 > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14743 > http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/ > > Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been so much more > credible being the musician he is... Good point! :-) But maybe it isn't about his own style at all? Maybe it's just a bunch of techniques for improvisation? And such strategy may be more theoretic than having to do with the actual instrument you are using. Anyway, I don't know about these DVD's. Just chatting here ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 08:18:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UCHLP00577; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:17:21 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:17:21 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <790E271C-2A6D-11D9-9AF4-000A95EEB30C@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:16:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 30, 2004, at 6:16 AM, Bernhard Wagner wrote: > > Has anyone had a look at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set > with > the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin: > > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14486 > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14743 > http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/ > > Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been so much more > credible being the musician he is... > > Bernhard Bernhard, The new Mclaughlin DVD is called "The way I do it" not "This is the way to do it". Check out some info at http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/updates/infos_DVD2.html or http://www.abstractlogix.com/johndvd.php Have a great day! Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 08:29:27 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UCTBq02547; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:29:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:29:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041030122840.85309.qmail@web51104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mellotron - To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- samba * wrote: > Also if you want to use strict > definitions digital boxes > don't have loops in them either,and so aren't > loopers. Ah, but the *sound* coming out of those digital boxes does indeed loop; the sample is joined tail to head for continuous replay, hopefully seamlessly. Duncan's point is that the Mellotron doesn't loop, not simply because the tapes aren't spliced in loops, but because they have a finite limit (8 seconds when the tape is new, shorter and shorter as it ages and has to be reattached), and that the samples have a characteristic real-life attack, decay, sustain and release period that's done the old fashioned way, by recording the original instrument. If you want to play a note that's longer than that, you have to press the key more than once. A lot of the sampled 'trons (soundfonts, etc) miss that and don't sound or play like a real Mellotron. Duncan's not being anal or picking nits; there's a significant conceptual distinction between a Mellotron and looping, whether it be tape-based or digital. -t- ps: there's a shot of me playing/recording (but not looping, alas) a Mellotron with a Rolling Rock on it in the CD graphics of the 75 Seconds album you can download for free at :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 08:33:48 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UCXBP03643; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:33:11 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:33:11 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041030123235.83950.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Mellotron Looping history To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --- samba * wrote: > I'm really trying explore the history of looping > ,not of mellotrons,which > I've explored in a previous existence. Sooooooo, if you're exploring the history of apples, why talk so much about oranges? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 10:40:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UEdfo23575; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:39:41 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:39:41 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:38:22 EDT Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.19620011.2eb5015e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_85.19620011.2eb5015e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Bernhard! In a message dated 10/30/04 3:14:10, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: > Has anyone had a look at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set=20 > with the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin: >=20 > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D14486 > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D14743 > http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/ >=20 > Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been=20 > so much more credible being the musician he is... >=20 If you follow your very first link and read carefully he does call it: John McLaughlin: This Is The Way I Do It=20 Which is pretty close to the way you thought it should be I think. :-) Yes, it would've been a little arrogant to say "this is THE way..." but=20 looking closer that's not what the title is. It's "...the way I do it" so it allows for his own idiosyncrasies (which are not going=20 to be universals). I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has checked this DVD=20 out and what their thought were on it too. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. --part1_85.19620011.2eb5015e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Bernhard!

In a message dated 10/30/04 3:14:10, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes:

Has anyone had a look= at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set
with the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin:<= BR>
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D14486
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D14743
http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/

Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been

so much more credible being the musician he is...

If you follow your very first link and read carefully he does call it:

Joh= n McLaughlin: This Is The Way I Do It

Which is pretty close to the way you thought it should be I think. :-)
Yes, it would've been a little arrogant to say "this is THE way..." but
looking closer that's not what the title is. It's "...the way I do it"
so it allows for his own idiosyncrasies (which are not going
to be universals).

I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has checked this DVD
out and what their thought were on it too.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas.
--part1_85.19620011.2eb5015e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 10:49:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UEnH724935; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:49:17 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:49:17 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200410301152.i9UBqom27713@hemlock.violacea.com> References: <200410301152.i9UBqom27713@hemlock.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:48:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Funny enough, he did call it "This Is The Way I Do It: The Ultimate Guitar Workshop On Improvisation", and by all accounts it's an amazing instructional tool. I hear he's in the market for an instructional DVD on public foot-in-mouth displays--could anyone suggest a good source? TravisH On Oct 30, 2004, at 4:52 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > From: "Bernhard Wagner" > Date: October 30, 2004 3:16:14 AM PDT > To: > Subject: John McLaughlin DVD > > > Has anyone had a look at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set > with > the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin: > > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14486 > http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14743 > http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/ > > Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been so much more > credible being the musician he is... > > Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 10:55:11 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UErkf25853; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:53:46 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:53:46 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jcshirke@nsit-imap.uchicago.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> References: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:52:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > >I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has checked this DVD >out and what their thought were on it too. If anyone can afford it, that is. Isn't it about $185 for 3 dvds?? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 11:13:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UFDOq27728; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:13:24 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:13:24 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Tom Rex" To: Subject: Looping and Looping Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:12:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20041030123235.83950.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS+fMyJ8uUA2C0tT+eQjo1DtKhxVQAFO6VQ Message-Id: <20041030151233.TOQV768.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is mostly for the newbies. I know when I started out, I didn't know the difference. I believe we're talking about two different kinds of looping, here, Looping, and looping a sample. This is from Reason's Help: "A sample, unlike the cycles of an oscillator for example, is a finite quantity. There is a sample start and end. To get samples to play for as long as you press down the keys on your keyboard, they need to be looped. For this to work properly, you have to first set up two loop points which determine the part of the sample that will be looped." Tom -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:33 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mellotron Looping history --- samba * wrote: > I'm really trying explore the history of looping ,not of > mellotrons,which I've explored in a previous existence. Sooooooo, if you're exploring the history of apples, why talk so much about oranges? -t- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 11:58:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UFw9n01600; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:58:09 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:58:09 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.4f89b22.2eb513d8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:57:12 EDT Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.4f89b22.2eb513d8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 Resent-Message-ID: <_k8AKB.A.fU.hn7gBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --part1_13d.4f89b22.2eb513d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, In a message dated 10/30/04 7:53:20, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes: > >I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has checked this DVD > >out and what their thought were on it too. >=20 > If anyone can afford it, that is. Isn't it about $185 for 3 dvds? >=20 If it's good, what the heck! I'll start saving the pennies, nickles and dimes I find under the couch cushions. Heheh. I'll let you know. In the meantime, a little perspective is in order. The next time one spends $185 at Musicians Fiend/Geetar Center (sic) or wherever for some new gizmo consider the value of the relatively short-lived pleasure of that stompbox to the hope/promise of=20 gaining the following (as related in a quote from McLaughlin's website): "All the modes, scales and exercises you will find on these DVD's=20 are there to be learnt and then forgotten; since when you experience=20 the timeless joy and spontaneity with your musical colleagues, you=20 will certainly not be thinking about which scale or which chord to=20 play, or which time signature the piece is in. In this state all notes=20 are good, and you will move in your own natural way with soul=20 and eloquence. In short, it becomes poetry, and you are the Poet.=20 Your way is The Way." --JM One could reasonably expect to pay a lot more to get say . . . expert, hands-on instructions in how to build websites (which is a way to make a semi-decent living for some). $185 for that would be more than=20 reasonable. Lessons in how to create and experience some form=20 of Beauty and Joy on the level we're talking about (in music) may=20 not be so practical . . . but to me it seems priceless (a reason FOR=20 living for some, a way of living for others). It all depends on whether or not it delivers. $175 (+ $10 shipping) would be a DAMN fine deal if it did . . . McLaughlin fan or not. Then again I'm someone who spent 10 years (and umpteen thousands of=20 dollars) in college studying Fine Art. 20 years later, I'm still nearly broke . . . but I'm happy. :-) Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_13d.4f89b22.2eb513d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff,

In a message dated 10/30/04 7:53:20, jcshirke@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>I'd be interested= in knowing if anyone has checked this DVD
>out and what their thought were on it too.

If anyone can afford it, that is. Isn't it about $185 for 3 dvds?

If it's good, what the heck! I'll start saving the pennies, nickles
and dimes I find under the couch cushions. Heheh. I'll let you know.
In the meantime, a little perspective is in order. The next time
one spends $185 at Musicians Fiend/Geetar Center (sic) or
wherever for some new gizmo consider the value of the relatively
short-lived pleasure of that stompbox to the hope/promise of
gaining the following (as related in a quote from McLaughlin's website):

"All the modes, scales and exercises you will find on these DVD's
are there to be learnt and then forgotten; since when you experience
the timeless joy and spontaneity with your musical colleagues, you
will certainly not be thinking about which scale or which chord to
play, or which time signature the piece is in. In this state all notes
are good, and you will move in your own natural way with soul
and eloquence. In short, it becomes poetry, and you are the Poet.
Your way is The Way." --JM

One could reasonably expect to pay a lot more to get say . . . expert,
hands-on instructions in how to build websites (which is a way to make
a semi-decent living for some). $185 for that would be more than
reasonable. Lessons in how to create and experience some form
of Beauty and Joy on the level we're talking about (in music) may
not be so practical . . . but to me it seems priceless (a reason FOR
living for some, a way of living for others).

It all depends on whether or not it delivers. $175 (+ $10 shipping)
would be a DAMN fine deal if it did . . . McLaughlin fan or not. Then
again I'm someone who spent 10 years (and umpteen thousands of
dollars) in college studying Fine Art. 20 years later, I'm still nearly
broke . . . but I'm happy. :-)

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda, blah, blah, blah. So???
--part1_13d.4f89b22.2eb513d8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 12:16:32 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UGFac05277; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:15:36 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:15:36 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Mellotron - Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:17:02 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-Sender: mp@mpeters.de X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:06:44 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 84.135.115.84 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > The other week I was just reading about Reiley's > early experimenting and I noted the reference to "an anonymous > engineer" who inspired Terry for the "Time Lag Accumulator". So that > guy may have been Shaefer! of course not Pierre Schaefer! :-) it really _was_ an anonymous engineer who came up with the delay system for 2 tape recorders. This is what Pauline Oliveros told me when I asked her a couple of years ago, and this is what Terry Riley wrote to me when I asked him. Here's what Terry wrote: ---------------- Hi Michael, Just a brief answer. My history with the time-lag-accumulator goes back to 1963 when I made the Loops for Music for the Gift in Paris in the summer of 1963. That was my first use of this process and it was done in the studios of the ORTF in the Sarah Bernhardt theatre in Paris by an Engineer who's name I dont recall. This was the long looping and feedback delay between two tape recorders. I had never heard it done before then by anyone including Pauline and Ramon although they may have done it. The first well known recording of this process that I know of is Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band on my Rainbow in Curved Air recording of 1968. by that time I had been using the process in concert for 2 years and had documented it in my 1966 recording of Reed Streams on Mass Art in New York. Check out American Composers by Edward Strickland ....... Minimalists by K. Robert Swartz.......Soundpieces 2 by Cole Gagne and Talking Music by William Duckworth for what I have to say about these early days. Thanks Terry Riley ---------------- -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 12:42:07 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UGbmc07967; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:37:48 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:37:48 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:36:40 -0600 Message-ID: <00c601c4be9e$a562c3c0$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If anything, you all should by the CD (The Promise) from which the DVD intro song (No Return) on his website was taken. There is a song on this CD, called "Jazz Jungle" that is just unbelievable...in fact, in an interview, John once said that this song epitomized his conception of jazz fusion. It's full of all sorts of juicy chromaticism and John's wonderful style of playing outside. I'd say the price of the DVD is worth it, not just because McLaughlin is one of my greatest influences, but because most guitar VHS instructional videos are $40-50 a pop, and they are typically an hour or less with no notation, DVD format, etc. I would be interested in seeing his take on the sections I've asterisked below. . The Basic Modes . Rhythmic Development of Basic Modes + Introduction of the Major Pentatonic Scale . Modal Fluency Development + Phrasing . Introduction of Linear Triads + Scale Tone Chords *** . Symmetric Scale and Development of Fluency . Chromaticism *** . Harmonic Minor and its Harmonic Development *** . Melodic Minor and its Modal Development *** . Advanced Development of Melodic Minor and Introduction of the 2 :5 :1 Movement *** . Development of odd Time Signatures . Combination of odd Time Signatures and Harmonic Development . Advanced Harmonic Improvisation with odd and even Time Signatures *** ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 4:16 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: John McLaughlin DVD Has anyone had a look at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set with the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14486 http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14743 http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/ Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been so much more credible being the musician he is... Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 13:02:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UH0VP10678; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:00:31 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:00:31 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <002d01c4bea1$c863c3d0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" From: "Steve Lawson" To: References: <20041030123235.83950.qmail@web51102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: EDP/G2 sync Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:59:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com >>As the subject line reads, I am running guitar into the G2, then into the >>EDP, with the clock out of the EDP driving the G2. I want to >>hear from some >>folks who are doing this--looks like Bernhard is one, I believe >>Steve Lawson >>does this too Sorry I've not been reading the list for a few weeks, so didn't get to this sooner - anyway, I'm using two G2s now, but so far haven't sync'd them to anything... I guess I could sync up my G2s, Kaoss Pad and EDPs, but it's a scary thought... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 13:10:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UH9bS12343; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:09:37 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:09:37 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.242.164] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mellotron - Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:08:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 17:09:05.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[290756B0:01C4BEA3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Very unlikely it was Shaeffer,I don't think RTF would have assigned someone of his proninance to engineer for a llittle known visiting American composer.And Riley would probably remember if it had been Shaeffer     I've had correspondance w/ someone who knows Terry Riley and asked him.Riley says he can't remember the name of the engineer,but that he was employed by RTF .This is significant ,as RTF employed  Pierre Shaefer when he did his looping experiments in the 40s. Very interesting! The other week I was just reading about Reiley's early experimenting and I noted the reference to "an anonymous engineer" who inspired Terry for the "Time Lag Accumulator". So that guy may have been Shaefer!
_________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 13:35:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UHZ1616579; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:35:01 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:35:01 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.242.164] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RTF-Riley Shaffer Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 10:33:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 17:34:01.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4C8AD00:01C4BEA6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com The fact that it was an RTF engineer suggests that he was familiar with ,not just Shaffers work ,but his technical approaches.Shaeffer was employed by RTF as an engineer,not as a composer so what he developed is likely to have been inhouse knowledge-chops so to speak. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 14:23:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UIM4U23267; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:22:04 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:22:04 -0400 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [209.86.242.164] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba *" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping and Looping Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:19:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2004 18:20:04.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[13B51270:01C4BEAD] Resent-Message-ID: <23sRqD.A.0oF.at9gBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com A sample is a recorded signal rather than one generated by an oscillator,or live source
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Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 15:47:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9UJjo600470; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:45:50 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:45:50 -0400 Old-Return-Path: From: "Bernhard Wagner" To: Subject: RE: John McLaughlin DVD Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:47:40 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <85.19620011.2eb5015e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on palpatine.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com You're right of course! It's a flyer I picked up in a music store and they had written "This is the way to do it" and even though I went online later to get more information, the wrong title stuck in my mind... Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Samstag, 30. Oktober 2004 16:38 To: loopdelightml@nosuch.biz; loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: John McLaughlin DVD Hi there Bernhard! In a message dated 10/30/04 3:14:10, loopdelightml@nosuch.biz writes: Has anyone had a look at this 3 DVD guitar improvisation teaching set with the suspicious title "This is the way to do it" by John McLaughlin: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14486 http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=14743 http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/ Had he called it "This is my way to do it" it'd have been so much more credible being the musician he is... If you follow your very first link and read carefully he does call it: John McLaughlin: This Is The Way I Do It Which is pretty close to the way you thought it should be I think. :-) Yes, it would've been a little arrogant to say "this is THE way..." but looking closer that's not what the title is. It's "...the way I do it" so it allows for his own idiosyncrasies (which are not going to be universals). I'd be interested in knowing if anyone has checked this DVD out and what their thought were on it too. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 21:18:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9V1Hu408650; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:17:56 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:17:56 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:18:50 +0000 Subject: Re: EDP/G2 sync From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c4bea1$c863c3d0$0100a8c0@trucknutz> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3182030333_403401_MIME_Part" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3182030333_403401_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ... I've got a clocked system using one of those Korg Electribes to tap-in tempo and feed MIDI clock to everything. I need to get an additional merge box so prog changes and controller information from my MFC10 doesn't disrupt the clock - can see tempo drop on the Repeater display when I'm pedal dancing. I don't use the EDP for clock because: - I often use very long loops, and then short ones, without editing 8th note value - I'm stopping and starting the EDP all the time these days which might well disrupt clock. - I want clock for other devices way before I want to get the Echoplexes going - I'm sharing clock with my drummer I've found it a good idea to save a pattern on the Korg that isn't triggering sounds, or at least very simple ones because if the Electribe has to generate complex stuff, the clock drifts) If I want to take either EDP out of sync to clock I can hit "overdub" before I record and, hey, I'm in free mode. Well thought out software. Best wishes Jeremy jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk +44 (0)7941 428 122 From: "Steve Lawson" Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:59:11 +0100 To: Subject: EDP/G2 sync Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:59:12 -0400 >>As the subject line reads, I am running guitar into the G2, then into the >>EDP, with the clock out of the EDP driving the G2. I want to >>hear from some >>folks who are doing this--looks like Bernhard is one, I believe >>Steve Lawson >>does this too Sorry I've not been reading the list for a few weeks, so didn't get to this sooner - anyway, I'm using two G2s now, but so far haven't sync'd them to anything... I guess I could sync up my G2s, Kaoss Pad and EDPs, but it's a scary thought... :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net --MS_Mac_OE_3182030333_403401_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP/G2 sync ... I've got a clocked system using one of those Korg Electribes to tap-in = tempo and feed MIDI clock to everything. I need to get an additional merge b= ox so prog changes and controller information from my MFC10 doesn't disrupt = the clock -  can see tempo drop on the Repeater display when I'm pedal = dancing.

I don't use the EDP for clock because:

- I often use very long loops, and then short ones, without editing 8th no= te value
- I'm stopping and starting the EDP all the time these days which might we= ll disrupt clock.
- I want clock for other devices way before I want to get the Echoplexes g= oing
- I'm sharing clock with my drummer

I've found it a good idea to save a pattern on the Korg that isn't triggeri= ng sounds, or at least very simple ones because if the Electribe has to gene= rate complex stuff, the clock drifts)

If I want to take either EDP out of sync to clock I can hit "overdub&q= uot; before I record and, hey, I'm in free mode. Well thought out software. =

Best wishes

Jeremy

jeremy
http://www.masse.org.uk
+44 (0)7941 428 122




From: "Steve Lawson" <steve@steve-lawson.co.uk>
Reply-To: "Steve Lawson" <steve@steve-lawso= n.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:59:11 +0100
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: EDP/G2 sync
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:59:12 -0400


>>As the subject line reads, I am running guitar into= the G2, then into the
>>EDP, with the clock out of the EDP driving the G2.  I want to<= BR> >>hear from some
>>folks who are doing this--looks like Bernhard is one, I believe
>>Steve Lawson
>>does this too

Sorry I've not been reading the list for a few weeks, so didn't get to this=
sooner - anyway, I'm using two G2s now, but so far haven't sync'd them to <= BR> anything... I guess I could sync up my G2s, Kaoss Pad and EDPs, but it's a =
scary thought... :o)

Steve
www.stevelawson.net



--MS_Mac_OE_3182030333_403401_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 30 21:18:50 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9V1HEF08585; Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:17:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:17:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:18:49 +0000 Subject: Re: EDP sync problem From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c4be78$c25f6080$d09ffe91@synthhost> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3182030330_403195_MIME_Part" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3182030330_403195_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable "ooo" looks like quantize or round mode may not the same for both machines. Have the "8th note" values also changed, 'cause that would give you different loop lengths. I've had some funny behaviour where parameters mysteriously change and have tracked the cause down to either misfiring switches or unplugging the footpedal too slowly. What seems to be happening is an imperfect connection presents a series of resistances to the EDP which gets interpreted as a series of button presses= . If one of these gets you into "parameters" then you could be changing all manner of stuff without realising it. There is a way of resetting but can I remember it... no, but it's at the beginning of the Loop IV upgrade manual.... ah it says : "At the first starting up of the new software, you have to do a Parameter reset. This resets all of the parameters to the correct default settings for LoopIV. To do the Parameter Reset: Hold down Parameters before you turn on the power, and keep holding it down until you see =B3Loop 4=B2 scrolling across the screen. Then you can let it go. The Echoplex parameters will all have default values when it reaches the reset state. " This is for Loop IV - could try it for Loop III.... hmmm Hope this helps Jeremy From: "wavecomputer360" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:02:14 +0200 To: Subject: EDP sync problem Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:12:46 -0400 Blame it on the weather, maybe... but: =20 my EDPs are exhibiting some strange behaviour which rather puzzles me as they both used to work flawlessly as a duo until the other night. I=B4m using a stereo setup of two EDPs with identical OS (Loop III, 5.0). I don=B4t use them as loop units but as delays. They are synced by means of Brother Sync and MIDI in order to control both units from a master. Both are set to MIDI channel #1 and the slave unit says Ctrl. In while the master says Ctrl. Out= . They both power up at the same time with no delay between them. =20 Now, when I press Record, the master unit starts recording immediately whil= e the slave unit waits for a couple of seconds, showing "ooo" in the display, and then starts recording. Of course, delay times are not the same for both channels, for instance 8.6 seconds on the master unit and 7.8 seconds on th= e slave which is very annoying. I originally had them both set to wait after the Record button had been hit once and start recording upon hitting the button a second time (and I=B4d like to have it that way again). Now they onl= y start recording simultaneously when I press Record longer in order to erase the previously recorded loop. I wonder why that is, especially since I didn=B4t change any of the settings once I had them both set up the way I wanted them to be. I guess that=B4s some MIDI issue here but I=B4m not sure. I remember Krispen Hartung having had similiar problems with his stereo setup= . How can I get them both running again? Is there a way to reset them completely before setting them up again? =20 Kim? =20 Thanks for info, =20 Stephen. =20 PS: Even though they both have the same OS installed, one unit restarts itself when MIDI dump is activated by mistake while the other shows the behaviour described in the manual (two blinking hyphens and the display reading 0). Are there different OS even within the same revision? =20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a plague. An= d we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) =20 Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com --MS_Mac_OE_3182030330_403195_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP sync problem "ooo" looks like quantize or round mode may not the same for both= machines. Have the "8th note" values also changed, 'cause that wo= uld give you different loop lengths.

I've had some funny behaviour where parameters mysteriously change and have= tracked the cause down to either misfiring switches or unplugging the footp= edal too slowly.

What seems to be happening is an imperfect connection presents a series of = resistances to the EDP which gets interpreted as a series of button presses.= If one of these gets you into "parameters" then you could be chan= ging all manner of stuff without realising it.

There is a way of resetting but can I remember it... no, but it's at the be= ginning of the Loop IV upgrade manual.... ah it says :

"At the first starting up of the new software, you have to do a Parame= ter reset. This resets all of the parameters to the  correct default se= ttings for LoopIV.  To do the Parameter Reset:  Hold down Paramete= rs before you turn on the power,  and keep holding it down until you se= e =B3Loop 4=B2 scrolling across the screen. Then you can let it go. The Echoplex=  parameters will all have default values when it reaches the reset sta= te. "

This is for Loop IV - could try it for Loop III.... hmmm

Hope this helps

Jeremy



From: "wavecomputer360" <wavecomputer360@gmx.de>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 14:02:14 +0200
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: EDP sync problem
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Resent-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:12:46 -0400


Blame it on the weather, mayb= e... but:

my EDPs are exhibiting some strange behav= iour which rather puzzles me as they both used to work flawlessly as a duo u= ntil the other night. I=B4m using a stereo setup of two EDPs with identical OS= (Loop III, 5.0). I don=B4t use them as loop units but as delays. They are syn= ced by means of Brother Sync and MIDI in order to control both units from a = master. Both are set to MIDI channel #1 and the slave unit says Ctrl. In whi= le the master says Ctrl. Out. They both power up at the same time with no de= lay between them.

Now, when I press Record, the master unit= starts recording immediately while the slave unit waits for a couple of sec= onds, showing "ooo" in the display, and then starts recording. Of = course, delay times are not the same for both channels, for instance 8.6 sec= onds on the master unit and 7.8 seconds on the slave which is very annoying.= I originally had them both set to wait after the Record button had been hit= once and start recording upon hitting the button a second time (and I=B4d lik= e to have it that way again). Now they only start recording simultaneously w= hen I press Record longer in order to erase the previously recorded loop. I = wonder why that is, especially since I didn=B4t change any of the settings onc= e I had them both set up the way I wanted them to be. I guess that=B4s some MI= DI issue here but I=B4m not sure. I remember Krispen Hartung having had simili= ar problems with his stereo setup. How can I get them both running again? Is= there a way to reset them completely before setting them up again?

Kim?

Thanks for info,

Stephen.

PS: Even though they both have the same O= S installed, one unit restarts itself when MIDI dump is activated by mistake= while the other shows the behaviour described in the manual (two blinking h= yphens and the display reading 0). Are there different OS even within the sa= me revision?

"Human beings are a disease, the can= cer of this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith= / Matrix)

Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www= .doombient.com <http://www.doombient.com>


--MS_Mac_OE_3182030330_403195_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 01:22:21 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9V5KEK02812; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:20:14 -0400 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:20:14 -0400 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Revised 12-Tone Composition Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:18:54 -0600 Message-ID: <00fb01c4bf09$20ffea70$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Hello all - I just completed my 12-Tone composition, "Entanglement". Most of my original notes below still apply, except this new version has added instrumentation: violins accompanying the piano (using Finale 2005 and new sound fonts), electric bass for some extra low end, and live electric guitar parts (melody and solo). Most of the material you've heard from me up to this point is with the acoustic guitar. On this track, I'm using my PRS McCarty hollow-body electric and a Line 6 POD XT Pro rack mount unit, which has some excellent amp/mic/speaker modules, etc. I'm using a Matchless amp/2X12 cab configuration, plus an octave fuzz. http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1709784&q=Hi OR http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm Let me know what you think! What does it remind you of? (players, songs, etc) ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- Okay, I rolled up my sleeves and did some 12 tone work. I call this composition "Entanglement", named after one of my favorite books on quantum physics, by Amir D. Aczel. Call it an entanglement of Webern and hip hop. Roger, let me know if this fits what you had in mind. I still plan to add a guitar solo (consistent with the primary row) over the middle section of this song, which will complete the tune. Afterall, I have to add a human, flesh and blood element to this. Here's how I wrote the song: First, my primary row is A, F, D, F#, Eb, G, C, C#, E, Bb, Ab, B. This isn't random, rather I experimented with the 12 tones until I found a sequence that felt good to me. Second, I used the online program to generate my matrix of permutations (prime, inversion, retrograde, and retrograde inversion): http://www.geocities.com/dan_cavanagh/matrix.htm Third, I used my notation software, Finale, to compose the song using the matrix of rows. A link to the sheet music and the sound clip is below. In sequence, I used the primary row, the first inversion row, the second primary row, the second inversion row, the twelfth retrograde inversion row, the 12th retrograde row, the first through eleventh retrograde rows, and finally the third primary row. I some cases I wrote in single note sequence; in other cases, I used the rows more quickly with tone clusters. Fourth, I used Acid and some samples I purchased from the SonicFoundry web site to create some hip groove beats to add to the mix. Fifth, I integrated and mastered all of the above with ProTools LE and my Digidesign mBox. I repeated a few sections, so the sheet music is only the core composition, with some parts repeated in the actual sound clip. Sound clip and sheet music: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm (caution - this clip has some serious low end in it) Roger, thanks for getting me off my butt and motivating me to do this. Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 06:00:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VAw0310982; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:58:00 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:58:00 -0500 Old-Return-Path: From: "Andy" To: Subject: RE: EDP sync problem Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:57:09 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4bf38$6024ba30$0a00000a@p4> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4BF38.6024BA30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c4be78$c25f6080$d09ffe91@synthhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4BF38.6024BA30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, boot them up holding the parameters button. Somehow one has got locked into a different mode, =91quanantise=92 I think. This should sort = it out. =20 -----Original Message----- From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]=20 Sent: 30 October 2004 13:02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP sync problem =20 Blame it on the weather, maybe... but: =20 my EDPs are exhibiting some strange behaviour which rather puzzles me as they both used to work flawlessly as a duo until the other night. I=B4m using a stereo setup of two EDPs with identical OS (Loop III, 5.0). I don=B4t use them as loop units but as delays. They are synced by means = of Brother Sync and MIDI in order to control both units from a master. Both are set to MIDI channel #1 and the slave unit says Ctrl. In while the master says Ctrl. Out. They both power up at the same time with no delay between them. =20 Now, when I press Record, the master unit starts recording immediately while the slave unit waits for a couple of seconds, showing "ooo" in the display, and then starts recording. Of course, delay times are not the same for both channels, for instance 8.6 seconds on the master unit and 7.8 seconds on the slave which is very annoying. I originally had them both set to wait after the Record button had been hit once and start recording upon hitting the button a second time (and I=B4d like to have = it that way again). Now they only start recording simultaneously when I press Record longer in order to erase the previously recorded loop. I wonder why that is, especially since I didn=B4t change any of the = settings once I had them both set up the way I wanted them to be. I guess = that=B4s some MIDI issue here but I=B4m not sure. I remember Krispen Hartung = having had similiar problems with his stereo setup. How can I get them both running again? Is there a way to reset them completely before setting them up again? =20 Kim? =20 Thanks for info, =20 Stephen. =20 PS: Even though they both have the same OS installed, one unit restarts itself when MIDI dump is activated by mistake while the other shows the behaviour described in the manual (two blinking hyphens and the display reading 0). Are there different OS even within the same revision? =20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith / Matrix) =20 Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4BF38.6024BA30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, boot them up holding the = parameters button. Somehow one has got locked into a different mode, ‘quanantise’ I think. This should sort it = out.

 

---= --Original Message-----
From: wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: 30 October 2004 = 13:02
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: EDP sync = problem

 

Blame it on the weather, = maybe... but:

 

my EDPs are exhibiting some = strange behaviour which rather puzzles me as they both used to work flawlessly = as a duo until the other night. I=B4m using a stereo setup of two EDPs with = identical OS (Loop III, 5.0). I don=B4t use them as loop units but as delays. They = are synced by means of Brother Sync and MIDI in order to control both units from a = master. Both are set to MIDI channel #1 and the slave unit says Ctrl. In while = the master says Ctrl. Out. They both power up at the same time with no delay between them.

 

Now, when I press Record, = the master unit starts recording immediately while the slave unit waits for a = couple of seconds, showing "ooo" in the display, and then starts = recording. Of course, delay times are not the same for both channels, for = instance 8.6 seconds on the master unit and 7.8 seconds on the slave which is = very annoying. I originally had them both set to wait after the Record = button had been hit once and start recording upon hitting the button a second = time (and I=B4d like to have it that way again). Now they only start = recording simultaneously when I press Record longer in order to erase the = previously recorded loop. I wonder why that is, especially since I didn=B4t change = any of the settings once I had them both set up the way I wanted them to be. I = guess that=B4s some MIDI issue here but I=B4m not sure. I remember Krispen = Hartung having had similiar problems with his stereo setup. How can I get = them both running again? Is there a way to reset them completely before setting = them up again?

 

Kim?

 

Thanks for = info,

 

Stephen.<= /o:p>

 

PS: Even though they both = have the same OS installed, one unit restarts itself when MIDI dump is activated = by mistake while the other shows the behaviour described in the manual (two blinking hyphens and the display reading 0). Are there different OS even = within the same revision?

 

"Human beings are a = disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." = (Agent Smith / Matrix)

 

Visit the official = [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C4BF38.6024BA30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 06:20:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VBIjQ13415; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:18:45 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:18:45 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [62.80.57.203] X-Originating-Email: [joaolikesloops@hotmail.com] X-Sender: joaolikesloops@hotmail.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:21:06 +0100 Subject: repeater digital output From: joao orecchia To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2004 11:18:00.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[482645E0:01C4BF3B] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hemlock.violacea.com id i9VBI6a13271 Resent-Message-ID: <1T1BDD.A.oPD.vnMhBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com hi, i'm in the process of changing my set up and want to try running the individual tracks from the repeater into my computer for added sound manipulation. i was wondering if i plug the digital out into the digital in on an external sound card if i can split the four tracks or do i just get stereo. any info would be much appreciated. thanks. joão From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 09:45:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VEfaI01932; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:41:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:41:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <20041031144049.52743.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: repeater digital output To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I'm not sure, but I suspect that'd just be stereo unless you used some sort of multichannel interface in between the units. I have a similar question, going in the opposite direction. I'm considering adding a laptop to my looping rig to replace (or more likely augment) a rack of minidisc decks that I use to play back fragmentary canned loops (programmed percussion, sound effects, field recordings, etc.). The decks go to my mixer where they each have a channel as if they were another live instrument, and from there they're subject to live real-time processing and looping via the board's aux sends. (These loops aren't finished musical statements in and of themselves, but are used as live ingredients...) I don't currently own a laptop, so I'm still in the exploratory stages, but what I'm thinking would be useful would be some sort of multitrack sequencer to play back these short, looped wav files, with a breakout box that would allow me to send the various tracks to different channels so that they could be processed individually. I've done a little experimenting with playback of acid files for this purpose (from a desktop), but really need faders, as my hands are usually occupied with instruments and I don't care to do much mouse-clicking onstage. Can anyone point me towards a good online resource for this sort of info? -t- --- joao orecchia wrote: > hi, > > i'm in the process of changing my set up and want to > try running the > individual tracks from the repeater into my computer > for added sound > manipulation. > > i was wondering if i plug the digital out into the > digital in on an external > sound card if i can split the four tracks or do i > just get stereo. > > any info would be much appreciated. thanks. > > joão > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 11:19:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VGHlh11788; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:17:47 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:17:47 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-Id: <200410311616.i9VGGZa11575@hemlock.violacea.com> X-pair-Authenticated: 24.45.188.89 From: "Alan Kroeger" To: Subject: RE: Revised 12-Tone Composition Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:17:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <00fb01c4bf09$20ffea70$6401a8c0@khartung> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcS/CWJqlNs2E6eCTeyCJnReJgfKWAAW5ucw Resent-Message-ID: <6Hpso.A.I1C.k_QhBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I love it man, nice work are the string & piano parts all samples? -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 1:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Revised 12-Tone Composition Hello all - I just completed my 12-Tone composition, "Entanglement". Most of my original notes below still apply, except this new version has added instrumentation: violins accompanying the piano (using Finale 2005 and new sound fonts), electric bass for some extra low end, and live electric guitar parts (melody and solo). Most of the material you've heard from me up to this point is with the acoustic guitar. On this track, I'm using my PRS McCarty hollow-body electric and a Line 6 POD XT Pro rack mount unit, which has some excellent amp/mic/speaker modules, etc. I'm using a Matchless amp/2X12 cab configuration, plus an octave fuzz. http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1709784&q=Hi OR http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm Let me know what you think! What does it remind you of? (players, songs, etc) ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- Okay, I rolled up my sleeves and did some 12 tone work. I call this composition "Entanglement", named after one of my favorite books on quantum physics, by Amir D. Aczel. Call it an entanglement of Webern and hip hop. Roger, let me know if this fits what you had in mind. I still plan to add a guitar solo (consistent with the primary row) over the middle section of this song, which will complete the tune. Afterall, I have to add a human, flesh and blood element to this. Here's how I wrote the song: First, my primary row is A, F, D, F#, Eb, G, C, C#, E, Bb, Ab, B. This isn't random, rather I experimented with the 12 tones until I found a sequence that felt good to me. Second, I used the online program to generate my matrix of permutations (prime, inversion, retrograde, and retrograde inversion): http://www.geocities.com/dan_cavanagh/matrix.htm Third, I used my notation software, Finale, to compose the song using the matrix of rows. A link to the sheet music and the sound clip is below. In sequence, I used the primary row, the first inversion row, the second primary row, the second inversion row, the twelfth retrograde inversion row, the 12th retrograde row, the first through eleventh retrograde rows, and finally the third primary row. I some cases I wrote in single note sequence; in other cases, I used the rows more quickly with tone clusters. Fourth, I used Acid and some samples I purchased from the SonicFoundry web site to create some hip groove beats to add to the mix. Fifth, I integrated and mastered all of the above with ProTools LE and my Digidesign mBox. I repeated a few sections, so the sheet music is only the core composition, with some parts repeated in the actual sound clip. Sound clip and sheet music: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm (caution - this clip has some serious low end in it) Roger, thanks for getting me off my butt and motivating me to do this. Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 11:29:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VGTab13400; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:29:36 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:29:36 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Revised 12-Tone Composition Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c4bf66$ad302700$6401a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200410311616.i9VGGZa11575@hemlock.violacea.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com I guess you would call them samples. I just purchased Finale 2005, which has this thing called Sound Fonts. I used the default Finale sound font, but I can use literally thousands of free sound fonts available on the web. I guess they are made out of samples, and then packaged up as a .sf2 files. ??? Finale normally uses your sound-card for sounds (which can be quite bad if you have a stock sound card), but you can over-ride this and use any sound font. The improvement is tremendous. I am just now tapping into the capabilitiies of Finale 2005 and the sound fonts. I can write whole scores now and use realistic classical instrument sounds. Krispen -----Original Message----- From: Alan Kroeger [mailto:nospam@akroeger.com] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Revised 12-Tone Composition I love it man, nice work are the string & piano parts all samples? -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 1:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Revised 12-Tone Composition Hello all - I just completed my 12-Tone composition, "Entanglement". Most of my original notes below still apply, except this new version has added instrumentation: violins accompanying the piano (using Finale 2005 and new sound fonts), electric bass for some extra low end, and live electric guitar parts (melody and solo). Most of the material you've heard from me up to this point is with the acoustic guitar. On this track, I'm using my PRS McCarty hollow-body electric and a Line 6 POD XT Pro rack mount unit, which has some excellent amp/mic/speaker modules, etc. I'm using a Matchless amp/2X12 cab configuration, plus an octave fuzz. http://www.soundclick.com/util/streamM3U.m3u?ID=1709784&q=Hi OR http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm Let me know what you think! What does it remind you of? (players, songs, etc) ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- Okay, I rolled up my sleeves and did some 12 tone work. I call this composition "Entanglement", named after one of my favorite books on quantum physics, by Amir D. Aczel. Call it an entanglement of Webern and hip hop. Roger, let me know if this fits what you had in mind. I still plan to add a guitar solo (consistent with the primary row) over the middle section of this song, which will complete the tune. Afterall, I have to add a human, flesh and blood element to this. Here's how I wrote the song: First, my primary row is A, F, D, F#, Eb, G, C, C#, E, Bb, Ab, B. This isn't random, rather I experimented with the 12 tones until I found a sequence that felt good to me. Second, I used the online program to generate my matrix of permutations (prime, inversion, retrograde, and retrograde inversion): http://www.geocities.com/dan_cavanagh/matrix.htm Third, I used my notation software, Finale, to compose the song using the matrix of rows. A link to the sheet music and the sound clip is below. In sequence, I used the primary row, the first inversion row, the second primary row, the second inversion row, the twelfth retrograde inversion row, the 12th retrograde row, the first through eleventh retrograde rows, and finally the third primary row. I some cases I wrote in single note sequence; in other cases, I used the rows more quickly with tone clusters. Fourth, I used Acid and some samples I purchased from the SonicFoundry web site to create some hip groove beats to add to the mix. Fifth, I integrated and mastered all of the above with ProTools LE and my Digidesign mBox. I repeated a few sections, so the sheet music is only the core composition, with some parts repeated in the actual sound clip. Sound clip and sheet music: http://www.myweb.cableone.net/chagstrom2/music/kris-hartung/12-Tone.htm (caution - this clip has some serious low end in it) Roger, thanks for getting me off my butt and motivating me to do this. Cheers, ********************************* Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 12:33:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VHWKw22015; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:32:20 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:32:20 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20041031144049.52743.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041031144049.52743.qmail@web51105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: repeater digital output Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:31:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 31, 2004, at 12:21, joao orecchia wrote: > > i was wondering if i plug the digital out into the digital in on an > external > sound card if i can split the four tracks or do i just get stereo. On Oct 31, 2004, at 15:40, Tim Nelson wrote: > I'm not sure, but I suspect that'd just be stereo > unless you used some sort of multichannel interface in > between the units. I'm sure, though, since I've tried exactly that - and it's only two channels, stereo. > I don't currently own a laptop, so I'm > still in the exploratory stages, but what I'm thinking > would be useful would be some sort of multitrack > sequencer to play back these short, looped wav files, > with a breakout box that would allow me to send the > various tracks to different channels so that they > could be processed individually. > > Can anyone point me towards a good online resource for > this sort of info? How about this mailing list? AFAIK we're quite a lot of laptop users here! You might have look at Ableton Live as a suitable software since it is multitrack, has faders and a simple "midi learn" way of mapping external midi faders. Most questions about multi out/input laptop sound cards and break-out boxes has been discussed at the Live forum and with the forum search function you can scan it for specific information. http://www.ableton.com/forum/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 13:17:52 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VIGWK27636; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:16:32 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:16:32 -0500 Old-Return-Path: X-Originating-IP: [213.221.73.117] X-Originating-Email: [joaolikesloops@hotmail.com] X-Sender: joaolikesloops@hotmail.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:14:14 +0100 Subject: Re: repeater digital output From: joao orecchia To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Oct 2004 18:15:00.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[8938DAE0:01C4BF75] Resent-Message-ID: <-bYym.A.quG.ruShBB@hemlock.violacea.com> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com have you tried using the digital out and some combination of either the analog stereo out or sends to get all four tracks individually into the computer? i mean, i know there are sound cards with 4 analog ins that could do this, but im not sure if there are any good ones which i can afford at the moment. On 10/31/04 6:31 PM, "Per Boysen" wrote: > On Oct 31, 2004, at 12:21, joao orecchia wrote: >> >> i was wondering if i plug the digital out into the digital in on an >> external >> sound card if i can split the four tracks or do i just get stereo. > > On Oct 31, 2004, at 15:40, Tim Nelson wrote: > >> I'm not sure, but I suspect that'd just be stereo >> unless you used some sort of multichannel interface in >> between the units. > > I'm sure, though, since I've tried exactly that - and it's only two > channels, stereo. > >> I don't currently own a laptop, so I'm >> still in the exploratory stages, but what I'm thinking >> would be useful would be some sort of multitrack >> sequencer to play back these short, looped wav files, >> with a breakout box that would allow me to send the >> various tracks to different channels so that they >> could be processed individually. >> >> Can anyone point me towards a good online resource for >> this sort of info? > > How about this mailing list? AFAIK we're quite a lot of laptop users > here! You might have look at Ableton Live as a suitable software since > it is multitrack, has faders and a simple "midi learn" way of mapping > external midi faders. Most questions about multi out/input laptop sound > cards and break-out boxes has been discussed at the Live forum and > with the forum search function you can scan it for specific > information. http://www.ableton.com/forum/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > --- > http://www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) > http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 15:25:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i9VKNYg08300; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:23:34 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:23:34 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <711A0C10-2B7A-11D9-9679-000A95CA68EC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: repeater digital output Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:21:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com On Oct 31, 2004, at 20:14, joao orecchia wrote: > have you tried using the digital out and some combination of either the > analog stereo out or sends to get all four tracks individually into the > computer? Yes. But "all four tracks individually into the computer" is only possible by using the analog outputs of the Repeater. The digital output is a stereo mix of how you set the physical faders on the Repeaters front panel. > i mean, i know there are sound cards with 4 analog ins that could > do this, but im not sure if there are any good ones which i can afford > at > the moment. I was able to separate all four tracks of the Repeater, plus one EDP channel, by this trick: I recorded (into a computer) my source audio AND the midi used to control both the Repeater and the EDP. Then I "rewinded" the computer and played the source audio AND midi into the Repeater while recording Repeater track 1 into the computer. After that I did the same thing with the other three tracks. The process was not fast, but I ended up with exactly the same four Repeater tracks and live manipulation originally performed, now separated on four different channels on the computer audio mulitrack software. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 31 20:34:38 2004 Return-Path: Received: (from looper@localhost) by hemlock.violacea.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id iA11WwR11183; Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:32:58 -0500 Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:32:58 -0500 Old-Return-Path: Message-ID: <007401c4bfb2$ce090cc0$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Reply-To: "Scott M2" From: "Scott M2" To: "The Ambient Way" , "Loopers Delight" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Dark Seeds" , "Ambient@hyperreal" Subject: The PiNG presents Styrohead with Lyle Crilly and General Chaos Visuals Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:33:35 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Every Tuesday Night @ The Gladstone Hotel Ballroom, Toronto 1214 Queen St. West (At the corner of Gladstone/Dufferin St.) Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan http://www.gladstonehotel.com/MapQuest%20Maps%20map.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 2nd - Styrohead with Lyle Crilly and General Chaos Visuals Improvisational madness from the schizophrenic minds of Joe G (Styrohead) and Lyle Crilly: urban sounds, voices, static, deep drones and deepspace wierdness. Lap steel & laptop from Lyle (who's also a Native Instruments rep) will blend with guitar, loops and classic hardware synthesizers from Joe. General Chaos Visuals will add their dimension to the headspace. Between Sets CD - "Archive One" by Anomalous Disturbances The third of Vancouver looping guitarist Terry O'Brien's CD releases from his Anomalous Disturbances project featuring deep and enveloping ambient soundscapes. (Disappearing Music) (Available at ping things) http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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