From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 00:02:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4475F3BEB8; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-reply-to:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE; b=BdGKgQFduVbiJsZAiGhUV+/0PNfZtx21uu66q52I87T7/ztnWJI8cMB+bQ5xiZNhwRWVdsSa4Ivt1ViV/oBwz946oM57sE4kIHZ+opLmCs8SFgc3N5P6eJaObRuQnXTRS1zGW5qpP6QS3/md5gN4ePN//4phtLtuefy6zJl49Pk= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:01:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <24733980.1154388446911.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: Aca0+PYTxKSBCA6rQRSA4ZYKVchuqwABHbeA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060801000200.04AFD3BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:02:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guitar rig: JamMan and EH2880 Bass rig: Headrush m http://www.twistedapplerecords.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guitar=20 rig: JamMan and EH2880
Bass=20 rig:  Headrush
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C6B4DC.2F205250-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 00:46:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E0313BEB6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nisZJpr14MtRPoOqurmrR9tFyoxXgzDV7BhNCX+8S+NnKtUwP6201bK++dyWLA0ayA4eLJsRiDi1JbWZX3d9L78nabFctrStY3DwXBqdeHWSK0NiaFZNXH+lcpue8YNKKjT0Xsx26auFmJCxYHSvQ3M0mFxQYNQkqaqi2f5AGAM= Message-ID: <913728d60607311746t7191d966td82143c8323a8218@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:46:09 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a cool online looping program (sort-of) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:46:11 +0000 (UTC) well, it probably wasn't made with looping in mind, but it's a cool little site where you can make some cool piano loops :) http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/e/spiel_win.html check it out :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:30:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87F573BEC5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=B9ukgFKC1yZ9dClpjjHQmYOw/NgootZLdK+3AU0aK4cgbkUW4Ig8abPAsyOX9B6B; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: "'markfrancombe.com'" , Subject: RE: Quick poll Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:30:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Aca1CdUbs6WVI1B3Tgql2m6Sy7CrUAACIpwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc77d410f634299332ab8c829f94c57239350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.34.61.119 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:30:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DL-4, RC-20, DD-20, Vortex _____ From: markfrancombe.com [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:40 AM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Quick poll Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

DL-4, RC-20, DD-20, = Vortex

 


From: markfrancombe.com [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com]
Sent: Monday, July 31, = 2006 7:40 AM
To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Quick = poll

 

Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this = list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots = technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of = my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and politicising...

 

I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but = lets ahve a quick poll

 

Whos using what now?

I'll start... (looping products mentioned only = please)

 

Vortex  split into EDP and = Repeater

 

 

your turn...

 

 

mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com

------=_NextPart_000_011E_01C6B4F0.F8616140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:39:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDB983BEB8; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060731222516.15690.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Minidiscs are bigger in other parts of the world. I believe they are still the rage in Japan, if memory serves me, I could be wrong though. ~peace~ Plish -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 its also amazing that cassettes are still around while mini disc didnt quite see the light of day! i am still sentimentally hanging on to mines:-) Luis - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC363BEC7; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c6b514$bcf9aad0$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:46:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Minidiscs are cool. I still have a mini minidisc-recorder that comes in handy as a field recorder. I had a pro unit too and sold it recently. I used the recorder to archive a bunch of reel-to-reel tapes. What a bizarre trail. Mono recorded jazz albums, ancient guitar jams by myself and 50's-60's instrumentals copied to minidisc.And one Genesis concert! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Plishka" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: RE: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 > Minidiscs are bigger in other parts of the world. I believe they are > still > the rage in Japan, if memory serves me, I could be wrong though. > > ~peace~ > > Plish > > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 > > > its also amazing that cassettes are still around while > mini disc didnt quite see the light of day! > i am still sentimentally hanging on to mines:-) > Luis > > - > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 02:51:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1703BED5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:53:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <002a01c6b514$bcf9aad0$d2e14744@BlackDell> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 02:51:55 +0000 (UTC) I use my mini mini for live concerts (mine) as well as the occasional other concert when I'm feeling naughty... Can't go wrong... -----Original Message----- From: Paul [mailto:paulrichard10@adelphia.net] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Minidiscs are cool. I still have a mini minidisc-recorder that comes in handy as a field recorder. I had a pro unit too and sold it recently. I used the recorder to archive a bunch of reel-to-reel tapes. What a bizarre trail. Mono recorded jazz albums, ancient guitar jams by myself and 50's-60's instrumentals copied to minidisc.And one Genesis concert! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:04:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DD1A3BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1SPqAsrAECLFNAnOhBkxjfaAVnjKFA3FvhgIgH4BuK3zdl96QyfbxU5+VFw1Q/ujhXpuEGDZuT7Ca+JLMltO+f/PHgduoqIK8LOirPgfqtpLBaPDGm2r3ITtDGg3U9prVOTdtCG6sreAfkA7PNZLaPmDLc/fhZtrRR+gGf2C1TA= ; Message-ID: <20060801030426.37913.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7_U50.A.0TF.9SszEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Second law of thermodynamics: The entropy of an isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value. Fight it while you can, but it's all going to crap. --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Totally agree with the sentiment and personally pass > things along as > opposed to trashing them. The problem is still that > any material > purchase is going to wind up in a landfill > eventually - __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:05:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86EAA3BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: aleatoric12@gmail.com, "Daryl Shawn" References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> Subject: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:05:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_nQ2LC.A.waF.CUszEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:05:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I = buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional = classical guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may = very well be my main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really = interesting guitars, because even though they are often shunned by = traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players = (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile = unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous = through the electronic pickup system. I believe these guitars were = designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged". In fact, my = inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that = is not the point here. I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon = strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the = fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on = all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, = rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. = This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, = the 310 CE. They look very similar. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=3DNS32-CE What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do = looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very = traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the classical = guitar and it is often considered the instrument for academic study), = yet I am placing this in juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling = and experimental effects. I just love the contrast of these two = extremes. It would be analogous to placing a microphone on a grand piano = and running it through a bunch of insane soft synths. You have this = beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a nylon string guitar, but driving = the most wild and bizarre VST effects. It really is a wonderful thing. = The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, yet the effects it = triggers can take a whole new course of action and life of their own. I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get = it on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Selling my hardware effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, = Fireworx, Looperlative) Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a nylon-string = through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's the only guitar I = play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have a lot of = fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing (the = Truly Beautiful Disaster), it works great. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com And like I said, I really want to get a Taylor Nylon string. It is = surprising that I haven't bought a nice electric nylon string after all = these years, because the classical guitar was my first instrument, and I = studies it for several years, from age 12 onward. Not that I plan to = play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is too full and I've = forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of the nylon = string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward to hearing = it through my VST system.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string = today, oh=20 my....why I didn't I buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, = even=20 when I had a traditional classical guitar sitting in my corner for years = and=20 years.  This may very well be my main guitar now for looping. These = Taylor's are really interesting guitars, because even though they are = often=20 shunned by traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz = players=20 (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile=20 unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous = through the=20 electronic pickup system.  I believe these guitars were designed to = be=20 played amplified, not "unplugged".  In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha=20 classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that is not the point=20 here.
 
I bought the NS32-CE, which is the = entry level=20 model for Taylor nylon strings....after weighing the options I got with = higher=20 models, and the fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is = basically the=20 same on all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple = guitar,=20 rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles.=20  This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string = electric,=20 the 310 CE. They look very similar.
 
= http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=3DNS32-CE
 
What I like most about the nylon string = and what I=20 like to do looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very = traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the classical = guitar=20 and it is often considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am = placing=20 this in juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental = effects.=20 I just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to = placing=20 a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of insane = soft=20 synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a nylon = string=20 guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects.  It = really is a=20 wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, yet the = effects=20 it triggers can take a whole new course of action and life of their=20 own.
 
I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I = think I=20 might not be able to get it on the plane safely. I had no problems last=20 year.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 = 11:32=20 AM
Subject: Re: Selling my = hardware=20 effect/looping system! (2 VF1s, Fireworx, Looperlative)

Krispen, you gotta let me know when you start amping a=20 nylon-string through that setup. It's my favorite guitar tone (it's = the only=20 guitar I play at this point) and I like its effected sound too. I have = a lot=20 of fun sending it through an Effector 13 fuzzbox, just a sick thing = (the Truly=20 Beautiful Disaster), it works great.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

 And like I said, I really = want to get a=20 Taylor Nylon string. It is surprising that I haven't bought a nice = electric=20 nylon string after all these years, because the classical guitar was = my=20 first instrument, and I studies it for several years, from age 12 = onward.=20 Not that I plan to play Bach again (good grief, no....my brain is = too full=20 and I've forgotten that sheet music long ago), but it is the tone of = the=20 nylon string that I adore so much...and I am really looking forward = to=20 hearing it through my VST=20 system. 

------=_NextPart_000_06AE_01C6B4E5.103FB980-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:10:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6601C3BECA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06ba01c6b518$0bfb50e0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060801030426.37913.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:10:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Right on, Mark, my fine fatalist friend....and eventually our sun will supernova or collapse into a black-hole (depending on its mass, which I can't remember off hand)....and the human race will evaporate into ether. Live life and squander while you can... :) It's all going back to star stuff eventually, into the grand ol' recyclig machine of eternity. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 > Second law of thermodynamics: The entropy of an > isolated system not at equilibrium will tend to > increase over time, approaching a maximum value. > > Fight it while you can, but it's all going to crap. > > --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > >> Totally agree with the sentiment and personally pass >> things along as >> opposed to trashing them. The problem is still that >> any material >> purchase is going to wind up in a landfill >> eventually - > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:19:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E942D3BED8; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200682131951285@M2W103.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mech@m3ch.net X-Originating-IP: 12.183.106.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mech@m3ch.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:19:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:19:55 +0000 (UTC) At 12:17 PM -0400 7/31/06, Charles Zwicky wrote: Oberheim used to have just such a device=2E=2E=2E=2E a MIDI delay=2E=2E=2E= (er or was it alesis=3F=3F) Are you thinking of the Akai ME10D MIDI Delay=3F I thought it seemed like a cool box, but something always ended up putting= it on the back burner every time I'd go to try finding one=2E It features= dynamics (velocity control on repeats) as well as an octave transpose feature, IIRC=2E It's been a while since I looked at it, but I seem to remember there was *something* that got in the way of it being a really viable MIDI Looper (delay time, maybe=2E=2E=2E=3F)=2E I wish I recalled more, but my brain's= swiss cheese=2E Sorry=2E =09--m=2E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F "Snakes on a Plane=2E=2E=2E" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 03:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A403BED0; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cOkQSvH2rFKpxLa2aJXcL/LPQOwI+csbgtBpsmNiLLblx0GRUk1niEt7aeF7/pJTkkOVHvXcMHPuVSUbQcRchpiANOapMdSF38qzG3y/ZMjuWx/IkZqyDRkEI1v3n0NDV7SUhC8ngr37C1uJdRKcGXQMrQjfcGXrer/SDCtDNwQ= Message-ID: <913728d60607312043y126b8cdbgc2744d60a6ab243@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:43:06 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9LC7m.A.YiG.L3szEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 03:43:07 +0000 (UTC) hello fellow loopers! well, its about that time to upgrade my looping device, and so to fund that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon Jamman. It has the 32 second upgrade and I don't think i need to put much information about it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more about it than i do :) i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or anything like that, so feel free to contact me and i will send you pics or any other information that you may need I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) i would like to keep this to the US or canada, mainly because i don't know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no offense :) Thanks for looking! :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 04:24:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6113BED6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 04:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200682142250625@M2W020.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mech@m3ch.net X-Originating-IP: 12.183.106.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mech@m3ch.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] Recycling & CD's (was Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 00:22:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <3WN_ZB.A.BgH.MetzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 04:24:45 +0000 (UTC) At 1:08 PM -0600 7/31/06, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed everyday in this "throw away society" we live in=20 > is staggering and I'm on the side of anything that cuts waste=2E=20 If you're concerned with old CD's going to waste, you should see what happens to them in Asia (Southeast Asia and India, in particular)=2E Over= there, they flip a CD reflective side out, then paste them all over the backs of the "tuk-tuks" -- little motorized pedicabs, sort of like souped-up golf carts that you use as taxis=2E This helps add rear reflect= ors so that the tuk-tuk is more visible to normal automobiles=2E Occasionally, you see somebody who goes a little overboard and pastes the things all over the entire body of the tuk-tuk=2E This turns it into this= weird kind of psychedelic, rainbow, 70's-art-project vehicle=2E=20 If you're at all interested in recycling, you wouldn't believe how most everything gets at least two or three different uses=2E So, in summary, just send all your used CD's to Thailand=2E They'll use '= em=2E :D =09--m=2E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F "If Television is a babysitter, then the Internet is a drunk librarian who= won't shut up=2E=2E=2E" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 06:47:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4453BEC7; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <3c48c2434ee180dd1422938bc1f4120f@mac.com> <05e101c6b4d6$0b5727a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <34f667c2240595b3d128a6757d72714b@jojorazor.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: JoJo Razor Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:47:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 06:47:33 +0000 (UTC) you can now trade those cds on-line at www.lala.com they will even give the artist a percentage of the trade costs ($1.00=20 per trade + $.25 shipping cost) On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:18 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Next to diapers, none of this matter. :)=A0 > =A0 > Seriously, though, if anyone is generating a product that they are=20 > certain will be trashed, then that seems a bit futile and wasteful.=A0=20= > But there are also a lot of folks who keep their CDs or albums for a=20= > long time. And if they do get rid of them, they don't sell them, but=20= > trade them in. I don't think I've ever thrown away a music CD. Has=20 > anyone on the list thrown several music CDs away? You can at least=20 > take them to a record store and trade them in, or donate them to a=20 > charity...there are many people much more unfortuante that us that=20 > can't afford to buy new CDs, and can't afford iPods or computers, but=20= > might have an old CD payer or CD radio/boombox. They rely on being=20 > able to get a used CD for $2 or getting them from a benefit. > =A0 > I hope no one is throwing away music CDs.=A0 That's not very = thoughtful. > > > Kris > =A0 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Paul Mimlitsch >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:08 PM >> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 >> >> Yes, but I'd bet the amount of CD's that are trashed everyday in this=20= >> "throw away society" we live in is staggering and I'm on the side of=20= >> anything that cuts waste. >> >> On Aug 2, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: >> >>> I agree.=A0 I'd much rather own a physical CD.=A0 It's almost as if = mp3s=20 >>> cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files=20= >>> than it is to throw a CD in the trash. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> >>>> I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital=20= >>>> distribution as well. >>>> =A0 >>>> All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have=20 >>>> waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my=20= >>>> CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely=20 >>>> discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's=20 >>>> personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I=20 >>>> never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't=20= >>>> own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because=20= >>>> they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the=20= >>>> highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to=20= >>>> CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And,=20 >>>> believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning=20= >>>> and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the=20= >>>> sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It=20= >>>> all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my=20 >>>> physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they=20= >>>> are missing a significant element of the production. >>>> =A0 >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> ____________________________________ "The purpose of a border is to go beyond it." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 07:33:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CB843BECC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=AI5UHRHhKpOgUnvlVgjsrDrZnLci7T69sZuOZmWDnlnGWh+jb8TDOtVwP/tBgjMmo42fLwFWNwlL2/ZW/anYH5lQgK9nxhMXHsc0lJWzYtcqg3qKcn7MPqvDfW1sqHbSvBrhfo3B9dDftVQ5hpwawL/UvZqH7YOJIvdaWf4O/5A= ; Message-ID: <00b501c6b53c$d5927bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:23:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4_cr4.A.51D.iPwzEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zoom G2 Digitech Jamman Mobius Stand Alone + FCB 1010. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Zoom G2
Digitech Jamman
Mobius Stand Alone + FCB = 1010.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C6B54C.1922C990-- ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 07:33:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BA2F3BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ER1IqzUeFOKCXvH4HIHKYOtGdATbsVRH8cluCV8j1Bzo3Bg2CXV2V6uzmmK6GwCQsJiXN8+CgzhxSTdbJi8EiRRMJiSO1oB3TK/y4uHxOgz20a683g06pfRkwNrBbi/z98WI3z+TRKWWxU+c0rRoHPGk2EEOqFa9wYHrKqxtenQ= ; Message-ID: <00b601c6b53c$d8037bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> <03B2BF54-249A-4DCD-B18D-E7232DC88099@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:33:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:33:57 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > On 31 jul 2006, at 18.17, Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> >> Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or was >> it alesis??) > > > Twelve years ago I was using a MIDI arpeggiator box from Oberheim named > "Cyclone" (with a MIDI guitar). Maybe that's the device you're thinking > of? Cool thing, but probably hard to find today. There were also the waldorf gekkos. I think there was 2 models: an arpeggiator and a chord memory. Waldorf is coming back... who knows if they 'll be still selling these again. Far from a "midi EDP" anyway. Ben. ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 10:20:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A78D3BEB9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009601c6b554$17a1d540$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:20:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:20:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My take on the CD disposal situation: http://www.earthlight.net/images/HiddenTrack/HiddenTrack26big.jpg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matthew F. McCabe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 16:22 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s = cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files = than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital = distribution as well. All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled = back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell = them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough = call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the = matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a = situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply = because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on = their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my = CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation = who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, = the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they = are missing a significant element of the production. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My take on the CD disposal situation:
http://www.earthlight.net/images/HiddenTrack/HiddenTrack26big.jpg
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matthew=20 F. McCabe
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 = 16:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked = down to=20 $5.00

I agree.  I'd much rather own a physical CD.  It's = almost as if=20 mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of = files than=20 it is to throw a CD in the trash.

Matt


On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
I sure am. I have all = of the CDs=20 going through all of the digital distribution as = well.
 
All in all, I don't = really do=20 this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion = of=20 whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market = price, or=20 severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on = one's=20 personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I = never want=20 to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of = my CDs=20 simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many = other CDs=20 on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority.  I'd = rather give=20 my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks = listening to my music.  And, believe it or not, I am of the = generation=20 who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a = CD, the=20 artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as = the=20 music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have = my=20 physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't = they are=20 missing a significant element of the production.
 
Kris
------=_NextPart_000_0093_01C6B55C.6EB9D910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 12:08:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39FBE3BEC5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200682112643437@M2W015.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mech@m3ch.net X-Originating-IP: 12.183.106.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "mech@m3ch.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:06:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Fw: LD content: quick polls Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:08:26 +0000 (UTC) At 8:20 PM +0200 7/31/06, markfrancombe=2Ecom wrote: 1st prize, just too many loopers "I have too much money, I cant make up m= y bloody mind" =3D MECH!!! Hah!!! All right, guilty as charged: you nailed that one right on (okay, so who's got an EDP they wanna get rid of=2E NEED LOOPER FIX=2E=2E=2E) = ;^) =09--m=2E =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F "No more building up; it is time to dissolve=2E=2E=2E" -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 13:32:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4629D3BECA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 In-Reply-To: <8C88139243006BF-988-4C56@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: References: <8C88139243006BF-988-4C56@FWM-M02.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <_SYntC.A.1SD.Dg1zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, enat21213@aol.com wrote: > hey steve! > have any further information on this venue/space. Umm, sure. It's my house, I live here. You want the history of the construction changes over the last 31 years? I've only been in it for five :). Ok, more seriously: I host shows on an irregular basis here, mostly for performers that either a) contact me wanting help setting up a gig on a specific day, say next Tuesday, and every remotely appropriate venue in the area is already booked, b) I'm personally interested in seeing them and and don't want to drive out-of-state on a weeknight to do so. (That's a general offer, by the way: anyone coming through southeast US send me an email and I'll at a minimum suggest current locations for you to play, and help get the word out.) The show Friday night went great, by the way: the opening act Automatic Caution Door was using Ableton on a laptop and looping guitar w/Line 6 DL-4, (I think, on both). The Subliminator uses a Boomerang to loop vocals in a mostly spoken word with layers approach, playing a pair of Alesis AirSynths into a pair of AirFXs. regards, Steve B Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/ http://www.phasmatodea.net/ > really like to get something cooking in raleigh sometime soon. > > thanks! > brian > electric bird noise > > -----Original Message----- > From: burnett@pobox.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 8:31 PM > Subject: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 > > In addition to performing, I occasionally host house concerts. Both performers are live-loop-friendly. Hope this is an acceptable announcement for this list. Info below the line of octothorps. > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex, Phasmatodea > > ########################### > badgerhaus hosts a psychedelic rock/spacerock/spoken word performance by The Subliminator Friday July 28th. Automatic Caution Door opens. Other acts possibly to be added for the evening. > > Location: badgerhaus, Raleigh NC > Time: 9pm > Cover: voluntary donation, going entirely to the performer(s) > > Links: > http://www.badgerhaus.com/ > http://www.myspace.com/thesubliminator > http://thesubliminator.com/ > > Thanks to Xopher Thurston for use of the PA. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 14:39:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05E403BEC7; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:39:05 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Quick poll To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44CF6789.2090301@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Seems silly not to be using that survey tool - I didn't get the impression anyone was going to tabulate the group's preferences. Oh well... Axon AX100 w/upgrade Johnson J-Station or Line 6 Pod XT Roland Fantom XR Roland VK-8M Electrix Repeater Behringer FCB1010 Boss DR-660 (MIDI clock and rhythm start/stop triggers) I'm experimenting with running Mobius under REAPER as a VST host, but so far have found this to be not been totally stable. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 14:48:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7D533BECA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00b601c6b53c$d8037bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <017401c6b4b4$7eafef10$5a01a8c0@mark> <03B2BF54-249A-4DCD-B18D-E7232DC88099@gmail.com> <00b601c6b53c$d8037bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-42839902 Message-Id: <54fad15318bb8965e8775fd51b686a18@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:48:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6FijbD.A.LgF.2m2zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:48:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-42839902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, Akai used to make a couple of little rack units, one was a MIDI =20 arpeggiator and the other was a MIDI delay. The later was what you =20 might be thinking about as a MIDI "looper" though I don't remember =20 there being multiple repeats . . .just one repeat (therefore, not much =20= of a looper). I owned them both for a time. Found them modestly useful. =20= When I went through a "gear purge" a few years later I either sold =20 them (very cheaply) or gave them to a keyboardist friend of mine. I =20 don't know if she still has them or not. I think it's been over 15 =20 years. Anyhoo, they were black, single rack space do-dahs, very shallow =20= (might've been only 2-3 inches deep) had only a knob or two and a 2 =20 digit LED display. I wish I could recall the model numbers. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn =93It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient =20= eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I =20 find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars =20= all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much =20= care. That's no concern of mine.=94 -- Edward Abbey http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:33 AM, Ben wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:10 PM > Subject: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > > >> On 31 jul 2006, at 18.17, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> >>> >>> Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or = =20 >>> was it alesis??) >> >> >> Twelve years ago I was using a MIDI arpeggiator box from Oberheim =20= >> named "Cyclone" (with a MIDI guitar). Maybe that's the device you're = =20 >> thinking of? Cool thing, but probably hard to find today. > > There were also the waldorf gekkos. > I think there was 2 models: an arpeggiator and a chord memory. > Waldorf is coming back... who knows if they 'll be still selling these = =20 > again. > Far from a "midi EDP" anyway. > > > Ben. > > > > =09 > > =09 > =09 > = _______________________________________________________________________=20= > ____ D=E9couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions = quelque =20 > soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/R=E9ponses pour partager vos =20 > connaissances, vos opinions et vos exp=E9riences. =20 > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-8-42839902 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Hi all, Akai used to make a couple of little rack units, one was a MIDI arpeggiator and the other was a MIDI delay. The later was what you might be thinking about as a MIDI "looper" though I don't remember there being multiple repeats . . .just one repeat (therefore, not much of a looper). I owned them both for a time. Found them modestly useful. When I went through a "gear purge" a few years later I either sold them (very cheaply) or gave them to a keyboardist friend of mine. I don't know if she still has them or not. I think it's been over 15 years. Anyhoo, they were black, single rack space do-dahs, very shallow (might've been only 2-3 inches deep) had only a knob or two and a 2 digit LED display. I wish I could recall the model numbers. 0000,0000,0000Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn = 807F,0000,0000=93807E,= 0000,0000It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much care. That's no concern of mine.807F,0000,0000=94 -- Edward Abbey 0000,0000,0000 807F,807F,807F http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. = So???0000,0000,0000 807F,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different" On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:33 AM, Ben wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" < To: < Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? On 31 jul 2006, at 18.17, Charles Zwicky wrote: Oberheim used to have just such a device.... a MIDI delay... (er or=20 was it alesis??) Twelve years ago I was using a MIDI arpeggiator box from Oberheim=20 named "Cyclone" (with a MIDI guitar). Maybe that's the device you're=20 thinking of? Cool thing, but probably hard to find today. There were also the waldorf gekkos. I think there was 2 models: an arpeggiator and a chord memory. Waldorf is coming back... who knows if they 'll be still selling these again. Far from a "midi EDP" anyway. Ben. =09 =09 =09 = __________________________________________________________________________= _ D=E9couvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/R=E9ponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos exp=E9riences. http://fr.answers.yahoo.com=20 = --Apple-Mail-8-42839902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 14:59:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B07323BEC5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:59:36 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: Loooong, stereo, analog/tape style hardware delay... such a thing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0J3B002ALR0R52H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ)" Thread-index: Aca1exq63ZsoP1bBR5WAoHbE/07G3A== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:59:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey everyone- I'm looking for a long (between 5-30 seconds, depending on the situation) stereo (pan/pingpong) delay. The catch is, I need it to attenuate some highs, degrade, or add some warmth and warble. I also need the delay time and feedback level to be adjustable in real time, with a physical knob or with MIDI control. Basically I'm looking to replicate the old Frippertronics setup. Using a digital delay for this sounds too cold and inorganic to me (sorry for the cliche). I'll be using a Memory Lane for a shorter, modulated delay, and then using the long pingpong delay as a looper, of sorts. Anyone know of a rackmount unit or pedal that can do this? I know the DD-20 has enough delay time, but there's no filtering or EQ adjustments in pingpong mode. I don't have much experience with rack delays, so I'm not really sure what's out there. Also it would be great if I could bypass the delay input while still retaining the feedback (so I would be able to make a "loop", then play over it without adding to it). I have a nice chain of VST plugins that do exactly what I want, but I don't like the stability, fragility, and latency issues that come with using a laptop live (for my application). Ideas? Thanks, Jesse --Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hey everyone-

 

I'm looking for a long (between 5-30 seconds, depending on the situation) stereo (pan/pingpong) delay.  The catch is, I need it to attenuate some highs, degrade, or add some warmth and warble.  I also need the delay time and feedback level to be adjustable in real time, with a physical knob or with MIDI control.

 

Basically I'm looking to replicate the old Frippertronics setup.  Using a digital delay for this sounds too cold and inorganic to me (sorry for the cliche).  I'll be using a Memory Lane for a shorter, modulated delay, and then using the long pingpong delay as a looper, of sorts.

 

Anyone know of a rackmount unit or pedal that can do this?  I know the DD-20 has enough delay time, but there's no filtering or EQ adjustments in pingpong mode.  I don’t have much experience with rack delays, so I’m not really sure what’s out there.  Also it would be great if I could bypass the delay input while still retaining the feedback (so I would be able to make a "loop", then play over it without adding to it).  I have a nice chain of VST plugins that do exactly what I want, but I don't like the stability, fragility, and latency issues that come with using a laptop live (for my application).

 

Ideas?

 

Thanks,

Jesse

--Boundary_(ID_bnqHnSu1QmTTPwQr34rGNQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 15:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 957123BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:01:00 EDT Subject: Re: show: The Subliminator@badgerhaus, Friday 28 July 2006 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:01:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/1/06 9:33:01 AM, burnett@pobox.com writes: > The Subliminator uses a Boomerang to loop vocals in a mostly spoken word > with layers approach, playing a pair of Alesis AirSynths into a pair of > AirFXs. > > sounds like my kind of band!.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/1/06 9:33:01 AM, burnett@pobox.com writes:


The Subliminator uses= a Boomerang to loop vocals in a mostly spoken word
with layers approach, playing a pair of Alesis AirSynths into a pair of
AirFXs.



sounds like my kind of band!.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
--part1_bdc.13426dc.3200c6ac_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 15:11:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF1473BECD; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:11:26 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090700080207020109010506" Resent-Message-ID: <5gZMDB.A.EjG.p82zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090700080207020109010506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig in without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a laptop for his effects, and does /amazing /things on nylon-string. Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I > buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional > classical guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may > very well be my main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really > interesting guitars, because even though they are often shunned by > traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players > (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile > unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous > through the electronic pickup system. I believe these guitars were > designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged". In fact, my > inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that > is not the point here. > > I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon > strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and > the fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the > same on all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple > guitar, rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and > whistles. This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel > string electric, the 310 CE. They look very similar. > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE > > What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do > looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very > traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the > classical guitar and it is often considered the instrument for > academic study), yet I am placing this in juxtaposition with some > serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I just love the > contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to placing a > microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of insane > soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a > nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST > effects. It really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can > be so soft and warm, yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new > course of action and life of their own. > > I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to > get it on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. > > Kris > --------------090700080207020109010506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it.

What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig in without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string.

Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...!

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional classical guitar sitting in my corner for years and years.  This may very well be my main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting guitars, because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system.  I believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged".  In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that is not the point here.
 
I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles.  This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. They look very similar.
 
 
What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects.  It really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and life of their own.
 
I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get it on the plane safely. I had no problems last year.
 
Kris
 

--------------090700080207020109010506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:19:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0AE93BECD; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c6b586$3e068e60$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <-x7qHD.A.dh.L83zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (back into text mode!) It's not just the physical quality though. After six years away from my old CD collection in storage, and just as long accumulating MP3 copies of some of the more beloved tracks, I found an old cassette of a combination of songs not only about driving, but also containing the kind of guitar bits that make me like to play. There was no label, and I popped it into a deck to see what it was, to hear Cross-town Traffic and Easy Rider, for a start. On one level I found it cosmically encouraging given the timing of my getting back to playing the acoustic this week; on another different level, I found myself far more satisfied with the sound quality of my cassettes than MP3s. Sure, I used to take pains to assure max quality when I made tapes for myself, but it was as much of a difference as I experience between cassettes and CDs. And made me begin to question the use of the format at all, except as a promotional or sales sample. Or it's a down week. I had to fire another plumber today! Ugh! S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew F. McCabe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 16:22 PM Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s cheapen music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to throw a CD in the trash. Matt On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital distribution as well. All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, then not have folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they don't they are missing a significant element of the production. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:33:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F033BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: a cool online looping program (sort-of) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:32:54 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002901c6b588$2484f1f0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca1A+ZN4ceAstW9TtSkL98nvOQm2AAhA9oQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <913728d60607311746t7191d966td82143c8323a8218@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0fhLlD.A.6-.-I4zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:33:02 +0000 (UTC) hey, a great example of a Digital Karlheinz! Arranging the notes and = chords in a way so they bump into each other frequently makes the result (and = also the period) nearly impredictable... > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com]=20 > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. August 2006 02:46 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: a cool online looping program (sort-of) >=20 > well, it probably wasn't made with looping in mind, but it's=20 > a cool little site where you can make some cool piano loops :) >=20 > http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/e/spiel_win.html >=20 > check it out :) >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:45:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98B43BEC1; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KVFUnkQbBMBuX1we9d5C1LfrzOZTO7GV9WQHhOTFxk86hus/VKCGqLgZt7ZDLQOm2I3Y3vwt1uxgrqxV1aIjbC/A/zY4I1yi1rvN0093jBZjzt8EP3oESG87kwEBAwuod8SX/T38axWkuzXiyToZbTqnl17h3Ps649GwqO2Da94= Message-ID: <913728d60608010945l43cf6fd6hf124979c531c064e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:45:44 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: a cool online looping program (sort-of) In-Reply-To: <002901c6b588$2484f1f0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60607311746t7191d966td82143c8323a8218@mail.gmail.com> <002901c6b588$2484f1f0$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:45:45 +0000 (UTC) yeah, i've been interested with motion-based sound like that (i dunno if thats the name for it, but thats what i am calling it) I have been interested in it ever since i discovered sonasphere (even though i can't get it to work) i think it's fun :) Charlie On 8/1/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > hey, a great example of a Digital Karlheinz! Arranging the notes and chor= ds > in a way so they bump into each other frequently makes the result (and al= so > the period) nearly impredictable... > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Charlie Milkey [mailto:pilotcp@gmail.com] > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. August 2006 02:46 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: a cool online looping program (sort-of) > > > > well, it probably wasn't made with looping in mind, but it's > > a cool little site where you can make some cool piano loops :) > > > > http://www.grotrian.de/spiel/e/spiel_win.html > > > > check it out :) > > > > Charlie > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 16:50:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DBDA3BEE1; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Loooong, stereo, analog/tape style hardware delay... such a thing? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:50:39 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002a01c6b58a$9ebf9db0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca1exq63ZsoP1bBR5WAoHbE/07G3AADcO2w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <0J3B002ALR0R52H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7lM-rD.A.XvB.nZ4zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC) You might look at the possibility to separate both requirements (delay with realtime feedback adjust and warmth/warble/degrade) into separate devices. Basically, use two devices, a loong delay (like a DD20), here called "1" and a warbler (like any multifx, or even a DL4 in delay mode, here called "2", and set them up like this Instrument ---->+---> "1" --> "2" --+---> Mains | | +--Volume Pedal-----+ or like this Instrument ---->+---> "1" --> ------+---> Mains | | +-"2"-Volume Pedal--+ Your volume pedal is feedback. The tricky part might be to find a looong delay which has the realtime delay time change the way you want it to work - would the DD20 do the trick for you? Rainer > I'm looking for a long (between 5-30 seconds, depending on the situation) stereo (pan/pingpong) delay. The catch > is, I need it to attenuate some highs, degrade, or add some warmth and warble. I also need the delay time and feedback > level to be adjustable in real time, with a physical knob or with MIDI control. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:01:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A1B3BED9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OdXdXX91WnGwGwYcrqEWFbfbdimAaK/9PRLarL+IYfGAnV+7Yhzj6rkucSG0guggRAgk7ZfC0Jd/ZfEMM249sOd/LWqfn9CEfqsKDD/nsDQoBLpf4y57s7us1kmaBYxxaiXU28S8KInq/p9O4CTUB1ljzysGXziCPrZn6rrPqtM= Message-ID: <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:01:55 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! In-Reply-To: <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:01:58 +0000 (UTC) What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the levels. Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those notch filters tuned up. I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll sell off some of my old gear. Todd On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. > > What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of > the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play > fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig in > without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard > many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though > there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a > laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. > > Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring > your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! > > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > > I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I buy a > nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional classical > guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well be my > main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting guitars, > because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical > guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I > read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is partly > true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I > believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged". > In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better > unplugged...but that is not the point here. > > I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon > strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the fact > that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all the > models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than one > with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar is > basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. They > look very similar. > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE > > What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do looping-wise > is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and authentic > (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often > considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in > juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I > just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to > placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of > insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a > nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects. It > really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, > yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and life > of their own. > > I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get it > on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F0603BEE2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF8BB2.4050201@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:13:22 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MP3 Format (WAS All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) References: <031d01c6b40b$38db64a0$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8B0ED32C-6D34-4F01-BF0B-EF08B8E41CDB@finleysound.com> <035f01c6b43a$2c2a7280$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69B9F9D4-8EAD-41FE-9EE7-009F5EE4461C@finleysound.com> <004401c6b586$3e068e60$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <004401c6b586$3e068e60$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:13:30 +0000 (UTC) great cartoon, Stephen! I fully agree with you on MP3's. I hear my own tunes go from cassette to WAV to MP3, and can hear the dramatic changes in each stage. Even at the highest-bit encoding, there's just something missing with MP3. (personally, I prefer cassette even to WAV, but I think that's more of a personal taste thing...I still prefer vinyl to anything else). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > (back into text mode!) > It's not just the physical quality though. After six years away from > my old CD collection in storage, and just as long accumulating MP3 > copies of some of the more beloved tracks, I found an old cassette of > a combination of songs not only about driving, but also containing the > kind of guitar bits that make me like to play. There was no label, > and I popped it into a deck to see what it was, to hear Cross-town > Traffic and Easy Rider, for a start. > > On one level I found it cosmically encouraging given the timing of my > getting back to playing the acoustic this week; on another different > level, I found myself far more satisfied with the sound quality of my > cassettes than MP3s. Sure, I used to take pains to assure max quality > when I made tapes for myself, but it was as much of a difference as I > experience between cassettes and CDs. And made me begin to question > the use of the format at all, except as a promotional or sales > sample. Or it's a down week. I had to fire another plumber today! Ugh! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:19:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B12713BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF8D2A.9020900@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:19:38 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070105070807020100000301" Resent-Message-ID: <0a2LVD.A.QLD.x04zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070105070807020100000301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost /zero /acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing. (crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the > levels. > > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those > notch filters tuned up. > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > sell off some of my old gear. > > Todd --------------070105070807020100000301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost zero acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing.

(crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!)

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my
effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar
riding over the sound coming from the speakers.  For example, when
laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the
electric passed through the looper (& effects).  The sum, in this
situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop
and subsequently played back.  It makes it a pain to balance the
levels.

Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well.  Gotta have those
notch filters tuned up.

I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac.
Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be
plugged in with minimal accoustic projection.  Dreamy.  Maybe I'll
sell off some of my old gear.

Todd

--------------070105070807020100000301-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:19:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5DDC3BEF0; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CF8D1E.7000301@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:19:26 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070206070400010203050806" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070206070400010203050806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost /zero /acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing. (crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!) Daryl > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the > levels. > > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those > notch filters tuned up. > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > sell off some of my old gear. > > Todd --------------070206070400010203050806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost zero acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing.

(crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!)

Daryl
What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my
effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar
riding over the sound coming from the speakers.  For example, when
laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the
electric passed through the looper (& effects).  The sum, in this
situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop
and subsequently played back.  It makes it a pain to balance the
levels.

Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well.  Gotta have those
notch filters tuned up.

I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac.
Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be
plugged in with minimal accoustic projection.  Dreamy.  Maybe I'll
sell off some of my old gear.

Todd

--------------070206070400010203050806-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:19:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925A23BEF9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:19:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca1PN+PnstGC41nSI2iHmKRbIpqIgAUFWrw In-reply-to: <00b601c6b53c$d8037bd0$6602a8c0@Ruelle2> Message-Id: <20060801171957.FEAJ12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:19:59 +0000 (UTC) There is a genuine MIDI looper in the Ztar, but overdub IS a problem. Also I don't know if it records the MIDI in. http://www.starrlabs.com/ Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:22:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0800F3BECC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-52059150 Message-Id: <395a731c6f45720ec479d7f15098f37c@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:21:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <8KCVPB.A.8gD.H34zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:22:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-52059150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 1-Aug-06, at 10:01 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > sell off some of my old gear. Played one in Halifax at a festival recently. VERY very nice. Like playing butter after so many years of steel strings. And it sounded very good. Don't know if it could ever replace the thunder and growl of quality steel strings, though. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > Todd > > > On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> >> Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. >> >> What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the >> contrast of >> the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play >> fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really >> dig in >> without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't >> heard >> many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though >> there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a >> laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. >> >> Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you >> bring >> your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string >> duet...! >> >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >> I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't >> I buy a >> nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional >> classical >> guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well >> be my >> main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting >> guitars, >> because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical >> guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews >> I >> read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is >> partly >> true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I >> believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not >> "unplugged". >> In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better >> unplugged...but that is not the point here. >> >> I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon >> strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and >> the fact >> that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on >> all the >> models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather >> than one >> with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar >> is >> basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. >> They >> look very similar. >> >> http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE >> >> What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do >> looping-wise >> is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and >> authentic >> (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often >> considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this >> in >> juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental >> effects. I >> just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to >> placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch >> of >> insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone >> of a >> nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST >> effects. It >> really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft >> and warm, >> yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and >> life >> of their own. >> >> I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to >> get it >> on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-5-52059150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 1-Aug-06, at 10:01 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll sell off some of my old gear. Played one in Halifax at a festival recently. VERY very nice. Like playing butter after so many years of steel strings. And it sounded very good. Don't know if it could ever replace the thunder and growl of quality steel strings, though. Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com Todd On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn < wrote: Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig in without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I buy a nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional classical guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well be my main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting guitars, because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is partly true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not "unplugged". In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better unplugged...but that is not the point here. I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the fact that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all the models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than one with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar is basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. They look very similar. http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do looping-wise is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and authentic (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects. It really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and warm, yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and life of their own. I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get it on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. Kris --Apple-Mail-5-52059150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:26:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F84F3BEEC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9143629.1154453168032.JavaMail.root@web23> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:26:08 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 Cc: Stephen Goodman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Interesting. I had a similar experience recently. I found a cassette in pristine condition and the label only said Airplane?. I popped it into my auto cassette deck and heard the old live album by the Airplane and another by the 'super group' Blind Faith. Great tunes to drive into the backwoods of the Shenadoah valley. As regards quality, I also went through great pains to get a decent signal-to-noise ration when recording cassettes, hence, the sound quality is still very good (especially compared to MP3's). I always used premium tapes as well. I was chatting with an associate recently about some other cassettes I had been listening to and he was kind of smiling because of the apparent obsolescence of the format. But, the pre-recorded tapes of their day that used cobalt tape, etc. still sound pretty darn good. -- Paul Richards ---- Stephen Goodman wrote: > (back into text mode!) > It's not just the physical quality though. After six years away from my old > CD collection in storage, and just as long accumulating MP3 copies of some > of the more beloved tracks, I found an old cassette of a combination of > songs not only about driving, but also containing the kind of guitar bits > that make me like to play. There was no label, and I popped it into a deck > to see what it was, to hear Cross-town Traffic and Easy Rider, for a start. > > On one level I found it cosmically encouraging given the timing of my > getting back to playing the acoustic this week; on another different level, > I found myself far more satisfied with the sound quality of my cassettes > than MP3s. Sure, I used to take pains to assure max quality when I made > tapes for myself, but it was as much of a difference as I experience between > cassettes and CDs. And made me begin to question the use of the format at > all, except as a promotional or sales sample. Or it's a down week. I had > to fire another plumber today! Ugh! > > S. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew F. McCabe > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, 2 August, 2006 16:22 PM > Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 > > > I agree. I'd much rather own a physical CD. It's almost as if mp3s cheapen > music...in that it's much easier to delete a couple of files than it is to > throw a CD in the trash. > > > Matt > > > > > On Jul 30, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I sure am. I have all of the CDs going through all of the digital > distribution as well. > > All in all, I don't really do this for the money, yet I have waffled back > and forth on this notion of whether I should give my CDs away, sell them for > standard market price, or severely discounted. It is a tough call, and > pretty much based on one's personal values on the matter....BUT, for me, the > gist is that I never want to generate a situation as an artist when someone > can't own one of my CDs simply because they can't afford it, or because they > have too many other CDs on their list and mine isn't the the highest > priority. I'd rather give my CDs away or mark them down to CD Baby's cost, > then not have folks listening to my music. And, believe it or not, I am of > the generation who still enjoys owning and having a physical CD. When I > produce a CD, the artwork on the sleeves is just as much a part of the > production as the music. It all fits together into a theme. I like for > people to have my physical CDs, not just the MP3s and digital art. If they > don't they are missing a significant element of the production. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 020DE3BED9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bxtnQzn5v5OiztjuZqSLFABqDtO0NUcwUXpB2yryqdCc4hPVYbi0O0v734iTeH0Sz1+cfkSLaaEbXS3mJK4QWNU/NNIQIOfSQ/1IFdEAYf9EZ0qBYblDpkxkvejGzLCVdIrW5G/WtJH9ab0Ixe5vpaeI3wwW2LvO8KKrYu5O2OU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:38:43 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! In-Reply-To: <395a731c6f45720ec479d7f15098f37c@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_99138_20535639.1154453923427" References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> <395a731c6f45720ec479d7f15098f37c@glasswing.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:38:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_99138_20535639.1154453923427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Multiac is my main looping guitar (into EDP). Surprisingly wide range of tones, No worries about feedback, and the midi tracking (via its hex pickup to GR30) is pretty decent. Neil On 8/1/06, Richard Sales wrote: > > > On 1-Aug-06, at 10:01 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > > sell off some of my old gear. > > Played one in Halifax at a festival recently. VERY very nice. Like > playing butter after so many years of steel strings. And it sounded > very good. Don't know if it could ever replace the thunder and growl > of quality steel strings, though. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> > >> Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. > >> > >> What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the > >> contrast of > >> the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play > >> fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really > >> dig in > >> without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't > >> heard > >> many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though > >> there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a > >> laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. > >> > >> Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you > >> bring > >> your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string > >> duet...! > >> > >> > >> Daryl Shawn > >> www.swanwelder.com > >> > >> > >> I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't > >> I buy a > >> nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional > >> classical > >> guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well > >> be my > >> main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting > >> guitars, > >> because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical > >> guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews > >> I > >> read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is > >> partly > >> true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I > >> believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not > >> "unplugged". > >> In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better > >> unplugged...but that is not the point here. > >> > >> I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon > >> strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and > >> the fact > >> that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on > >> all the > >> models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather > >> than one > >> with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar > >> is > >> basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. > >> They > >> look very similar. > >> > >> http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE > >> > >> What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do > >> looping-wise > >> is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and > >> authentic > >> (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often > >> considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this > >> in > >> juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental > >> effects. I > >> just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to > >> placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch > >> of > >> insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone > >> of a > >> nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST > >> effects. It > >> really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft > >> and warm, > >> yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and > >> life > >> of their own. > >> > >> I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to > >> get it > >> on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------=_Part_99138_20535639.1154453923427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Multiac is my main looping guitar (into EDP). Surprisingly wide range of tones, No worries about feedback, and the midi tracking (via its hex pickup to GR30) is pretty decent.
 
Neil
 
On 8/1/06, Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

On 1-Aug-06, at 10:01 AM, Todd Pafford wrote:
> I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac.
> Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be
> plugged in with minimal accoustic projection.  Dreamy.  Maybe I'll
> sell off some of my old gear.

Played one in Halifax at a festival recently.  VERY very nice.  Like
playing butter after so many years of steel strings.  And it sounded
very good.   Don't know if it could ever replace the thunder and growl
of quality steel strings, though.

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com

>
> Todd
>
>
> On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com > wrote:
>>
>>  Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it.
>>
>>  What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the
>> contrast of
>> the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play
>> fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really
>> dig in
>> without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't
>> heard
>> many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though
>> there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a
>> laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string.
>>
>>  Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you
>> bring
>> your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string
>> duet...!
>>
>>
>>  Daryl Shawn
>>  www.swanwelder.com
>>
>>
>> I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't
>> I buy a
>> nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional
>> classical
>> guitar sitting in my corner for years and years.  This may very well
>> be my
>> main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting
>> guitars,
>> because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical
>> guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews
>> I
>> read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is
>> partly
>> true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system.  I
>> believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not
>> "unplugged".
>>  In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better
>> unplugged...but that is not the point here.
>>
>> I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon
>> strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and
>> the fact
>> that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on
>> all the
>> models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather
>> than one
>> with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles.  This guitar
>> is
>> basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE.
>> They
>> look very similar.
>>
>> http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE
>>
>> What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do
>> looping-wise
>> is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and
>> authentic
>> (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often
>> considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this
>> in
>> juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental
>> effects. I
>> just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to
>> placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch
>> of
>> insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone
>> of a
>> nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST
>> effects.  It
>> really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft
>> and warm,
>> yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and
>> life
>> of their own.
>>
>> I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to
>> get it
>> on the plane safely. I had no problems last year.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>>
>


------=_Part_99138_20535639.1154453923427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 17:43:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E4A3BEE0; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6B591.F411F465" Subject: RE: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:43:09 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44CF8D2A.9020900@mhorse.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... Thread-Index: Aca1kfQzGIOQYS1mQoagh2AxOVqYRQ== From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2006 17:43:10.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[F45CB6C0:01C6B591] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:43:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B591.F411F465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Consider, in lieu of the Godin, adding the same pickup system (RMC) to your nylon of choice. The pickup set is $250, I'd guess installation would be another $200. =20 I had a classical guitar made by William Cumpiano, with the RMC pickups installed. This is the guitar I'll be playing the last day I'm on Earth. =20 The Godin instruments are great, though. =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... =09 =09 Todd, there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them for $200 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build quality, but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try to get a better sound. And there's almost zero acoustic projection or feedback issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time playing. =09 (crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my hole!) =09 Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com =09 What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my=20 effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar=20 riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when=20 laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the=20 electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this=20 situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop=20 and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the=20 levels.=20 =09 Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those=20 notch filters tuned up.=20 =09 I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac.=20 Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be=20 plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll=20 sell off some of my old gear.=20 =09 Todd=20 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B591.F411F465 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Consider, in lieu of the Godin, adding the = same pickup=20 system (RMC) to your nylon of choice.  The pickup set is $250, I'd = guess=20 installation would be another $200.
 
I=20 had a classical guitar made by William Cumpiano, with the RMC pickups = installed.=20 This is the guitar I'll be playing the last day I'm on=20 Earth.
 
The=20 Godin instruments are great, though.
 
Hal Dean
-----Original Message-----
From: = Daryl Shawn=20 [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, = 2006 1:20=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop = system....

Todd,=20 there's always the solidbody Epiphone Chet Atkins - you can find them = for $200=20 or so. They're a far sight below the Gibson version in terms of build = quality,=20 but I figure at that price one could mess around with pickups and try = to get a=20 better sound. And there's almost zero acoustic projection or = feedback=20 issues. I'd like to get one just for late-night quiet-time=20 playing.

(crap, over-OT-posting again! back to my = hole!)

Daryl=20 Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals = through=20 my
effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of = the=20 guitar
riding over the sound coming from the speakers.  For = example, when
laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic = sound=20 plus the
electric passed through the looper (& = effects).  The=20 sum, in this
situation, is greater than what actually gets layed = down in=20 the loop
and subsequently played back.  It makes it a pain = to=20 balance the
levels.

Of course, there's also the feedback = issues=20 as well.  Gotta have those
notch filters tuned up. =

I've=20 considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. =
Nylon=20 strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be =
plugged=20 in with minimal accoustic projection.  Dreamy.  Maybe I'll =
sell off some of my old gear.

Todd=20

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B591.F411F465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 18:25:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03E93BEB6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Loooong, stereo, analog/tape style hardware delay... such a thing? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:25:18 +0200 Message-ID: <00b901c6b597$d80197b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6B5A8.9B8A67B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca1jyRbOglxSmFjRqa8n/5OxWqhmgACE4xg In-Reply-To: <0J3B002ALR0R52H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:25:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6B5A8.9B8A67B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit have you checked the Line6 DL4 delay modeler? maybe it doesn't exactly do what you're after but there are many delay possibilities, including the warble. Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6B5A8.9B8A67B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
have you checked the Line6 DL4 = delay=20 modeler? maybe it doesn't exactly do what you're after but there are = many delay=20 possibilities, including the warble.
 
Michael www.michaelpeters.de
 
------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C6B5A8.9B8A67B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 18:36:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C3F83BEB6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hJtYnhgB47aKRmCMwvdtemw9YBlCcKZB+Im9UnbfdS/MEOWB5VpM9BmP3opEAAVOD1+bnB8VYB/WbTjqKImwN6ABH0b2r3hkZI7uevGApAVPzbSG80AcitrRh0488aU4Wl1pVKjNGrzPy4pzJHP0uY/i2hvQl82Dwu9eC3iLKDw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:36:53 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Quick poll In-Reply-To: <44CF6789.2090301@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44CF6789.2090301@Verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Stereo EDPs Loop IV, with PMC 10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 18:50:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D1FD3BECD; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EB8cpAPAOkrT2jELltjL9wqNBC09NpSzH7SC4VjqA4Mzg9X/JjXIqHOqODaxnrP/zCMzjDU659sTDd/Xm9HdHaMdq7tfILA3afM7aUKVK09I1SiRehQvHnfg/0yzI5BWZb1MnOIhTMhyndFPOBs1xwONViDtg1tEGup+ceXOEFs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:50:40 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP SUS reverse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:50:42 +0000 (UTC) I love discussion of techniques using EDP Loop IV. Guess the audience for this includes users of Mobius too. I just stumbled onto something new (for me) and thought I'd pass it along. For some reason I hadn't messed with SUS Reverse until recently. Programmed a couple of adjacent footswitches to trigger momentary reverse and overdub. So no matter what the Quantize settings are you can instantly and temporarily go into reverse and then if you want press overdub for what will then be backwards after you release the SUS reverse pedal. With these I could overdub short sections of backward audio to taste. Nice. Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 19:00:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B3BC3BEC1; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5PhlmTy5Cfcz9HdZrzMvQodMEutg3F5aqg== X-Originating-IP: [10.141.30.32] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:58:58 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system.... X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J2a7e.11f0S.1d5fM" Message-Id: <20060801.115952.29474.461517@webmail26.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 3:5:4062628952 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.166|webmail26.nyc.untd.com|webmail26.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:00:46 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J2a7e.11f0S.1d5fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. = Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be = plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll = sell off some of my old gear. = Todd = = I own one of the Multiac Nylons and they are sweet! I bought it after p= laying the Multiac Steel for a couple of years. I love both of them and= doubt I will ever sell them. I am tempted to get the Glissintar 11 str= ing, anyone have one of those? Both guitars sound great using my loopin= g rig of: 2 EDP's Lex. Vortex 1 Repeater = Lex 110 and waiting for my LP1 (Hey Bob, any word on the parts???) I also use 2 Boss DD20's and a LoopstationXL along with a Digitech Jamma= n. = so far I use the EDP's the most when practicing but I haven't played out= in over a year, too much work work.......... I would like to start working on a laptop setup. I recently purchased t= he M-audio Delta 1010lt card for my PC and will start working with the = Ableton Live lite and hope to get enough knowledge to setup a pc later i= n the year. With all the talk on this list I am sure I can get some goo= d ideas! Peace, = Weg ----__JWM__J2a7e.11f0S.1d5fM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Mul= tiac.
Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built= to be
plugged in with minimal accoustic projection.  Dreamy.&n= bsp; Maybe I'll
sell off some of my old gear.

Todd

&= nbsp;

I own one of the Multiac Nylons and they are sweet!  I bought it= after playing the Multiac Steel for a couple of years.  I love bot= h of them and doubt I will ever sell them.  I am tempted to get the= Glissintar 11 string, anyone have one of those?  Both guitars soun= d great using my looping rig of:

2 EDP's

Lex. Vortex

1 Repeater

Lex 110

and waiting for my LP1 (Hey Bob, any word on the parts???)

I also use 2 Boss DD20's and a LoopstationXL along with a Digitech Ja= mman.

 

so far I use the EDP's the most when practicing but I haven't played = out in over a year, too much work work..........

I would like to start working on a laptop setup.  I recently pur= chased the M-audio Delta 1010lt card for my PC and will start working&nb= sp; with the Ableton Live lite and hope to get enough knowledge to setup= a pc later in the year.  With all the talk on this list I am sure = I can get some good ideas!

Peace,

 

Weg

----__JWM__J2a7e.11f0S.1d5fM-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 19:23:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C401B3BEB9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c6b59f$f6b2fa70$7cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:23:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:23:30 +0000 (UTC) This is what I love about it...I actually like hearing the acoustic sound and the amplified/effected sound...it gives me a few milliseconds of time to comprehend my playing before it comes out of the PA. I can see how it would be awkward for others. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the > levels. > > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those > notch filters tuned up. > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > sell off some of my old gear. > > Todd > > > On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> >> Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. >> >> What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of >> the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play >> fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig >> in >> without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard >> many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though >> there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a >> laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. >> >> Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring >> your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! >> >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >> I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I >> buy a >> nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional >> classical >> guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well be >> my >> main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting >> guitars, >> because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical >> guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I >> read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is >> partly >> true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I >> believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not >> "unplugged". >> In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better >> unplugged...but that is not the point here. >> >> I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon >> strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the >> fact >> that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all >> the >> models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than >> one >> with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar is >> basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. >> They >> look very similar. >> >> http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE >> >> What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do >> looping-wise >> is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and >> authentic >> (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often >> considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in >> juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I >> just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to >> placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of >> insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a >> nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects. >> It >> really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and >> warm, >> yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and >> life >> of their own. >> >> I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get >> it >> on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 19:37:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 854873BECD; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <27447a1a18da463ea212b8a.20060801123727.qnera@www.dslextreme.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Cool jam sessions, improv, or clubs in Nagoya, Japan? From: "Daren Burns" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: daren@darenburns.com User-Agent: DSL Extreme Webmail (www.dslextreme.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-Sx05B.A.EQ.916zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, I thought maybe some of you on the list could help me. I'm going to be in Nagoya for two weeks between 8-8 and 8-22. I played at one last time at a place called Swing Dragon, but I don't know if it is still there or not and I was wondering if there might be anything else happening during that time or anywhere else that there might be to go to. Thanks in advance! -- Daren Burns bassist/composer/teacher/good guy http://www.darenburns.com http://www.darknumbers.com "I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones." - John Cage From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 19:44:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E19513BED6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QEEealEiuO3usAnIJLa+6rQrev5A667lmjDmLMWr1zHe6qIayYmmeZZbGAEqXiBFA52M8uhyCv3bhNSAFBXpRwaX3ev10uoRwB1ueO4//iADaZMuW5ndKa9DENl8hRm6bGH2+VeQR1oUsDU37/VRr2bwfwJz6ksP/a5OtcfchsQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AE7DEA1-AEC9-4370-9FDF-64596C2F7395@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP SUS reverse Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:44:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:44:31 +0000 (UTC) On 1 aug 2006, at 20.50, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Programmed a couple of adjacent footswitches to trigger momentary > reverse and overdub. Nice trick! I have not tried that with my EDP, only the toggle Reverse (which I love for guitar to make long backwards sounding parts). But in Mobius I did something related. I scripted the following actions: - overdub for a 32d note - reverse a 32d note - reverse into forward playback - change (pitch) rate - overdub for a 32d note (over the same place, stacking a second note) - (repeat all actions a couple of times, but with a different rate value to create more notes to form a chord) This scripted sequence of actions creates a 32d note stab chord out of one played note. Very fun and handy for creating punchy reggae chords with a flute or other monophonic instruments. I play with three variations; minor chord, major chord and sus4 chord - all in the basic four note voicing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 19:57:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEB0A3BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Nxp4JijTGu9/79Hb2Xz0B1brO5S0RDt/g5ItyKur4CAdODGCudrlfteOE7e3C5mgjkxrsbpdRLAKQA/XxuG41lj5ju/HoD1ynYoSl3xH7lMCPAahR0FaMlaxnXpQay9O3pqB4sVt64cjAEqD4HEn3QwAcR5rg0227t2YBwLll3c= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:57:10 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: EDP SUS reverse In-Reply-To: <3AE7DEA1-AEC9-4370-9FDF-64596C2F7395@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3AE7DEA1-AEC9-4370-9FDF-64596C2F7395@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:57:12 +0000 (UTC) > But in Mobius I did something related. I scripted the following actions: > - overdub for a 32d note > - reverse a 32d note > - reverse into forward playback > - change (pitch) rate > - overdub for a 32d note (over the same place, stacking a second note) > - (repeat all actions a couple of times, but with a different rate > value to create more notes to form a chord) > > This scripted sequence of actions creates a 32d note stab chord out > of one played note. Very fun and handy for creating punchy reggae > chords with a flute or other monophonic instruments. I play with > three variations; minor chord, major chord and sus4 chord - all in > the basic four note voicing. > You have an audio sample off this somewhere? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 20:04:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9E313BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HoGE6VHfJ6HDXDkIgkgliugdn6kGOXBi9DC7R3BHvfMyX6h/4yBY/VGMaeRBiTYA6yhl71irgXmikrp+AUYI0NOwItnFr308aIdkRQWQ1NyDC9ySXjD3zMy8NzDVNVNGsDkE1alEMUkqrJ6Y05haYQBT8uyiVHqeWUtMVccAYzQ= Message-ID: <913728d60608011304n39c1a45dkaaf18708defcd4f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:04:01 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sonasphere MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9WAXOD.A.JOB.yO7zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello loopers! i know this isn't about a looper, but i know there is a group of loop manglers here, so i was just wondering if anyone has tried the OSX software "sonasphere" It looks like a really cool semi-randomized mangling for loops. Its not really random because there is a pattern that the program follows, but its is sort of radom because the pattern is hard to predict without using some big math functions :) so has anyone tried it? i tried it, but i can't get it to work...i can't get any sound to come out :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 20:08:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7033C3BEDB; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sKBClxkEzBxNrjN27vGqYXoDylpMyDrL+kM0SG+B8jtCfVXpRBjBAtsgU6CH4z6v+xxW72Gh0XzqLJi/rg5lwoWo5pe2/kq6wobpuA/JC0UuDV7g955Uhp1Xc2r0nl8wEWefImfMnQ8ARCrjtBg06q+k7eLDedp1iyqKtzW8zkc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <3AE7DEA1-AEC9-4370-9FDF-64596C2F7395@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FB4BD8E-EB99-4B01-BE65-500813599F28@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP SUS reverse Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 22:08:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:08:52 +0000 (UTC) >> But in Mobius I did something related. I scripted the following >> actions: >> - overdub for a 32d note >> - reverse a 32d note >> - reverse into forward playback >> - change (pitch) rate >> - overdub for a 32d note (over the same place, stacking a second >> note) >> - (repeat all actions a couple of times, but with a different rate >> value to create more notes to form a chord) >> >> This scripted sequence of actions creates a 32d note stab chord out >> of one played note. Very fun and handy for creating punchy reggae >> chords with a flute or other monophonic instruments. I play with >> three variations; minor chord, major chord and sus4 chord - all in >> the basic four note voicing. >> > On 1 aug 2006, at 21.57, Neil Goldstein wrote: > You have an audio sample off this somewhere? In this sax looping piece: http://www.looproom.com/audio/ busonetothere.mp3 Nothing fancy, sounds just like some kind of organ stabbing short chord hits. Starting 40 seconds into the piece. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 20:17:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F21F3BEEA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PoxOqpxWAcekuGe109VpC0+3tgU2TftA0Ay3sB1nI9RY6WzdQh9zaKaqsw0PGTU3vpAdNjJAyKSsG3GC7sOUy035WC1LoG+gEx3ccx8KzmNITAOVrOJcwQm57MNTjCX3rsY+zovyDXI6CQChpaNb1ZAMfU0yhO+aPhLS2kADc7Y= Message-ID: <64b81a780608011317i4ef15fa2q7cf41db8a27e53c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:17:23 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loooong, stereo, analog/tape style hardware delay... such a thing? In-Reply-To: <00b901c6b597$d80197b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0J3B002ALR0R52H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <00b901c6b597$d80197b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:17:25 +0000 (UTC) The DL4's big brother, the Echo Pro, has filtering options out the wazoo. Sounds exactly like what Jesse's looking for. The only problem is that max stereo delay time is like 2.5 seconds and even shorter I think in the DL4. Still, I love the tube & tape echo models and some of the weirder ones like the platter (...instant Pink Floyd...) Definitely worth checking out despite the delay length. Todd On 8/1/06, Michael Peters wrote: > > > have you checked the Line6 DL4 delay modeler? maybe it doesn't exactly do > what you're after but there are many delay possibilities, including the > warble. > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 20:28:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91483BEE4; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mwh4cegQOlFY4qYQRvtxoV8VpUbH950DOeV1/EC1yR8qa94OLnS6qUtAbctftXOQbsxSrXC3hG0BVHMnqrlGt2YpESBFSJ8GpcJHwlpaSTJ25xRg+RBvWoMdAmnZuKC6Pm/7Nad3AdFpW43GtmQ+F9YOTcO7PSK3iYIQojE61ho= Message-ID: <64b81a780608011328w77be1969v9e1b01fd69a30cec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:28:46 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! In-Reply-To: <001301c6b59f$f6b2fa70$7cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> <001301c6b59f$f6b2fa70$7cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:28:49 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the effect is similar to having a constant straight dry line from the guitar that all of the effects are run parallel to. Honestly, I'm sure if I played with it more I'd find a sweet spot and learn to take advantage of the situation. Lately though, I've been consumed with playing completely accoustically, learning flamenco, reapplying myself to my classical guitar studies, etc. There's something satisfyingly natural, almost primal, about sitting down with just you and the guitar and making music. Guess I'm living the ludite's life at the moment. :) (Allow me to brag for a moment....I just got a new Pavan TP-30 classical and I'm in heaven. If anyone's in the market for a great classical guitar at an unbelievably affordable price check out Tom Prisloe's Pavan guitars. Such a sweet well rounded voice in these guitars. I had him install an L.R. Baggs IBeam pickup under the saddle, but I haven't even tried it yet. Too busy just playing.) Todd On 8/1/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > This is what I love about it...I actually like hearing the acoustic sound > and the amplified/effected sound...it gives me a few milliseconds of time to > comprehend my playing before it comes out of the PA. I can see how it would > be awkward for others. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd Pafford" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! > > > > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my > > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar > > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when > > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the > > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this > > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop > > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the > > levels. > > > > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those > > notch filters tuned up. > > > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > > sell off some of my old gear. > > > > Todd > > > > > > On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> > >> Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. > >> > >> What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of > >> the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play > >> fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig > >> in > >> without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard > >> many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though > >> there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a > >> laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. > >> > >> Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring > >> your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! > >> > >> > >> Daryl Shawn > >> www.swanwelder.com > >> > >> > >> I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I > >> buy a > >> nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional > >> classical > >> guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well be > >> my > >> main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting > >> guitars, > >> because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical > >> guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I > >> read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is > >> partly > >> true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I > >> believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not > >> "unplugged". > >> In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better > >> unplugged...but that is not the point here. > >> > >> I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon > >> strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the > >> fact > >> that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all > >> the > >> models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than > >> one > >> with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar is > >> basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. > >> They > >> look very similar. > >> > >> http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE > >> > >> What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do > >> looping-wise > >> is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and > >> authentic > >> (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often > >> considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in > >> juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I > >> just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to > >> placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of > >> insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a > >> nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects. > >> It > >> really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and > >> warm, > >> yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and > >> life > >> of their own. > >> > >> I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get > >> it > >> on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. > >> > >> Kris > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 21:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E2433BECC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608011328w77be1969v9e1b01fd69a30cec@mail.gmail.com> References: <069801c6af2a$8b70f1c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <010801c6af32$42c8a870$e701a8c0@pcfabio> <07ad01c6af36$f36fc100$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44C5041B.2090205@mhorse.com> <06b301c6b517$5bd02240$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44CF6F1E.4030505@mhorse.com> <64b81a780608011001u13025316u25ddbb6a584f3e3f@mail.gmail.com> <001301c6b59f$f6b2fa70$7cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <64b81a780608011328w77be1969v9e1b01fd69a30cec@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-67612853 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Flamenco, Luddites and Looping (Oh my!) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:41:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3PgtFC.A.VZE.6p8zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:41:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-67612853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 1-Aug-06, at 1:28 PM, Todd Pafford wrote: > There's > something satisfyingly natural, almost primal, about sitting down with > just you and the guitar and making music. Guess I'm living the > ludite's life at the moment. :) Oh boy! I can identify with that. After so many years staring at the monitor doing MIDI music, steeped in blinking LEDs and VU meters, it DOES feel good to not have to throw ONE SWITCH to enter paradise. But I'm trying to de-Luddite myself and get back at it. LOTS of resistance though. But there's also something really sweet about walking into a gig with just an acoustic guitar, plugging it in or mic'ing it, and going to town. And then leaving town with just the same guitar and a little more lettuce in the wallet. We'll see for me how it all ends up. The jury's still out. I'm enjoying looping for now and think it will help a lot with my performance with my daughter live. I layered so many parts on her CD I just don't have enough fingers to play them. So I'm hoping the looper will help on that front. Met a great flamenco player from Spain recently, Juan Martinez. He humbled all of us string wranglers at the festival back east. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > > On 8/1/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> This is what I love about it...I actually like hearing the acoustic >> sound >> and the amplified/effected sound...it gives me a few milliseconds of >> time to >> comprehend my playing before it comes out of the PA. I can see how it >> would >> be awkward for others. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Todd Pafford" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:01 AM >> Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! >> >> >> > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my >> > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the >> guitar >> > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when >> > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the >> > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this >> > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop >> > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the >> > levels. >> > >> > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have >> those >> > notch filters tuned up. >> > >> > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. >> > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be >> > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll >> > sell off some of my old gear. >> > >> > Todd >> > >> > >> > On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> >> >> >> Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. >> >> >> >> What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the >> contrast of >> >> the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to >> play >> >> fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to >> really dig >> >> in >> >> without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't >> heard >> >> many people really going in an experimental direction with one. >> Though >> >> there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear >> uses a >> >> laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. >> >> >> >> Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, >> you bring >> >> your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string >> duet...! >> >> >> >> >> >> Daryl Shawn >> >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >> >> >> >> I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I >> didn't I >> >> buy a >> >> nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional >> >> classical >> >> guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very >> well be >> >> my >> >> main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting >> >> guitars, >> >> because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical >> >> guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some >> reviews I >> >> read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree >> is >> >> partly >> >> true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. >> I >> >> believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not >> >> "unplugged". >> >> In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better >> >> unplugged...but that is not the point here. >> >> >> >> I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor >> nylon >> >> strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, >> and the >> >> fact >> >> that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on >> all >> >> the >> >> models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather >> than >> >> one >> >> with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This >> guitar is >> >> basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 >> CE. >> >> They >> >> look very similar. >> >> >> >> http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE >> >> >> >> What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do >> >> looping-wise >> >> is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and >> >> authentic >> >> (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is >> often >> >> considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing >> this in >> >> juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental >> effects. I >> >> just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be >> analogous to >> >> placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a >> bunch of >> >> insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like >> tone of a >> >> nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST >> effects. >> >> It >> >> really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft >> and >> >> warm, >> >> yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action >> and >> >> life >> >> of their own. >> >> >> >> I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able >> to get >> >> it >> >> on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. >> >> >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-9-67612853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII On 1-Aug-06, at 1:28 PM, Todd Pafford wrote: There's something satisfyingly natural, almost primal, about sitting down with just you and the guitar and making music. Guess I'm living the ludite's life at the moment. :) Oh boy! I can identify with that. After so many years staring at the monitor doing MIDI music, steeped in blinking LEDs and VU meters, it DOES feel good to not have to throw ONE SWITCH to enter paradise. But I'm trying to de-Luddite myself and get back at it. LOTS of resistance though. But there's also something really sweet about walking into a gig with just an acoustic guitar, plugging it in or mic'ing it, and going to town. And then leaving town with just the same guitar and a little more lettuce in the wallet. We'll see for me how it all ends up. The jury's still out. I'm enjoying looping for now and think it will help a lot with my performance with my daughter live. I layered so many parts on her CD I just don't have enough fingers to play them. So I'm hoping the looper will help on that front. Met a great flamenco player from Spain recently, Juan Martinez. He humbled all of us string wranglers at the festival back east. Gadgetrichard sales 7372,7F7E,C5C4glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C2,9695,1C1B www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8/1/06, Krispen Hartung < wrote: This is what I love about it...I actually like hearing the acoustic sound and the amplified/effected sound...it gives me a few milliseconds of time to comprehend my playing before it comes out of the PA. I can see how it would be awkward for others. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" < To: < Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: OT: New Nylon String Through my Laptop system....oh my!!! > What I've never liked about running my nylon classicals through my > effects rig is the disparity between the accoustic sound of the guitar > riding over the sound coming from the speakers. For example, when > laying down a loop, I'm hearing both the accoustic sound plus the > electric passed through the looper (& effects). The sum, in this > situation, is greater than what actually gets layed down in the loop > and subsequently played back. It makes it a pain to balance the > levels. > > Of course, there's also the feedback issues as well. Gotta have those > notch filters tuned up. > > I've considered (when I win the lottery) picking up a Godin Multiac. > Nylon strings full classical scale & neck width, but built to be > plugged in with minimal accoustic projection. Dreamy. Maybe I'll > sell off some of my old gear. > > Todd > > > On 8/1/06, Daryl Shawn < wrote: >> >> Awesome, Krispen! I'm really excited to hear what you do with it. >> >> What I like about messing with the nylon-string, besides the contrast of >> the rich tone, is the fingerstyle possibilities. It's possible to play >> fingerstyle on electrics or steel-strings, of course, but to really dig >> in >> without destroying your nails you need one of these. And I haven't heard >> many people really going in an experimental direction with one. Though >> there's Dominic Frasca (who I found out about here), who I hear uses a >> laptop for his effects, and does amazing things on nylon-string. >> >> Someday I hope we can play together, I'll bring my four-track, you bring >> your laptop and we'll have a super-lo/super-hi-fi nylon-string duet...! >> >> >> Daryl Shawn >> www.swanwelder.com >> >> >> I just bought a new Taylor Nylon string today, oh my....why I didn't I >> buy a >> nylon strong years ago baffles me, even when I had a traditional >> classical >> guitar sitting in my corner for years and years. This may very well be >> my >> main guitar now for looping. These Taylor's are really interesting >> guitars, >> because even though they are often shunned by traditional classical >> guitarists and even some acoustic jazz players (based on some reviews I >> read) as sounding very flat and sterile unamplified (which I agree is >> partly >> true), they sound tremendous through the electronic pickup system. I >> believe these guitars were designed to be played amplified, not >> "unplugged". >> In fact, my inexpensive Yamaha classical guitar sounds better >> unplugged...but that is not the point here. >> >> I bought the NS32-CE, which is the entry level model for Taylor nylon >> strings....after weighing the options I got with higher models, and the >> fact >> that the neck and fretboard (playability) is basically the same on all >> the >> models, I went this route because I prefer a simple guitar, rather than >> one >> with exotic woods and all the other bells and whistles. This guitar is >> basically the sibling of my Taylor steel string electric, the 310 CE. >> They >> look very similar. >> >> http://www.taylorguitars.com/guitars/model.aspx?model=NS32-CE >> >> What I like most about the nylon string and what I like to do >> looping-wise >> is that the tone of the nylon string sounds very traditional and >> authentic >> (maybe because I was trained on the classical guitar and it is often >> considered the instrument for academic study), yet I am placing this in >> juxtaposition with some serious tone mangling and experimental effects. I >> just love the contrast of these two extremes. It would be analogous to >> placing a microphone on a grand piano and running it through a bunch of >> insane soft synths. You have this beautiful and warm bell-like tone of a >> nylon string guitar, but driving the most wild and bizarre VST effects. >> It >> really is a wonderful thing. The tone of the guitar can be so soft and >> warm, >> yet the effects it triggers can take a whole new course of action and >> life >> of their own. >> >> I hope to bring this to Y2K6, unless I think I might not be able to get >> it >> on the plane safely. I had no problems last year. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-9-67612853-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 23:02:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7933BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:02:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20060801171957.FEAJ12909.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Thread-Index: Aca1PN+PnstGC41nSI2iHmKRbIpqIgAUFWrwAArgSqA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060801230248.412723BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9CHyNC.A.eEB.Z29zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:02:49 +0000 (UTC) I was thinking along these lines but have simpler requirements. A lot of traditional tunes (and not so traditional) set one or two bass patterns and 'loop' them. the twist is that they will transpose thru a chord progression. So even a simple mono midi looper to create basslines (and let me set the root note to transpose once I've captured the loops) would be huge. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:20 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > > There is a genuine MIDI looper in the Ztar, but overdub IS a problem. > Also I don't know if it records the MIDI in. > http://www.starrlabs.com/ > Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 23:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7FBE3BEC7; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XDkxctqXsxBFohMkT/3XdAbfwoQ+3psTy5ziuzuswBfDjyfi6nDig0s7G8ncR3XPHA9OhM5POlUZf0spguhrGE21tpHWuLK0l8nB12QHnkpBEW/A38H+5Q/0mwXmcdqtrHrL3xGtmGB0dAAy1Lfd7FeoydGRoV6fy/gAe6I1jm4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <913728d60608011304n39c1a45dkaaf18708defcd4f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <913728d60608011304n39c1a45dkaaf18708defcd4f8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36E37C1C-5DFB-49A0-82D6-A99A945A0C68@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re:OT sonasphere Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:06:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:06:43 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 1, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > so has anyone tried it? i tried it, but i can't get it to work...i > can't get any sound to come out :) Not immediately obvious to me, I had to watch the movie to get it to work. You have to drag in a sample and then choose an effect and set the XYZ parameters, so it goes: choose sample loop object > choose fx object > choose mixer object then use the connection tool to connect them in that order, then click the output button. Pretty interesting, a bit like some of the ixi software object stuff. For glitchy loop mangling I rather like [gleetchLAB]1.0.3. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 23:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70ABC3BEDC; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JGO7LTRSYgEtI52zFIr2kwxX3qnMYsG+bCopu9saoYmIxTL6+Rf13zYBm5fQPvovTwoWm0Thd/gc4lwbsQMHpxORJbmrdRvn7O7gqJXDJjTPlFmKKGaVzHr0iO3uAxHzrMf0IlXhbQ6S1MZMMetVPXKkQNtaxjvyXVu/GMKtows= Message-ID: <913728d60608011612l6751ecfcs91ecb0f664215f1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:12:34 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:OT sonasphere In-Reply-To: <36E37C1C-5DFB-49A0-82D6-A99A945A0C68@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60608011304n39c1a45dkaaf18708defcd4f8@mail.gmail.com> <36E37C1C-5DFB-49A0-82D6-A99A945A0C68@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:12:37 +0000 (UTC) yeah, i don't know what i am doing wrong, i did it all exactly how the website explained it, but still nothing...cool concept though... l will check out that gleetchlab :) Charlie On 8/1/06, RP Collier wrote: > > On Aug 1, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > so has anyone tried it? i tried it, but i can't get it to work...i > > can't get any sound to come out :) > > > Not immediately obvious to me, I had to watch the movie to get it to > work. > You have to drag in a sample and then choose an effect and set the > XYZ parameters, so it goes: > > choose sample loop object > > choose fx object > > choose mixer object > then use the connection tool to connect them in that order, then > click the output button. > Pretty interesting, a bit like some of the ixi software object stuff. > > For glitchy loop mangling I rather like [gleetchLAB]1.0.3. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 23:28:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906DA3BEDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20060801230248.412723BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060801230248.412723BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-74042906 Message-Id: <54F83522-D78B-4D27-98A0-4D91907F62C2@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:28:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <5DmwRC.A.i7B.aO-zEB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:28:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-74042906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I=92d post a query on a Max list; if such a thing hasn=92t been built = yet =20 by those folks, there may be somebody there who=92d enjoy the =20 challenge, or even want to take on the job. dc On Aug 1, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > I was thinking along these lines but have simpler requirements. --Apple-Mail-1-74042906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I=92d post a query on a Max = list; if such a thing hasn=92t been built yet by those folks, there may = be somebody there who=92d enjoy the challenge, or even want to take on = the job.
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= --Apple-Mail-1-74042906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 1 23:54:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF443BED2; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060801230248.412723BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060801230248.412723BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:43:45 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Any sequencer can do this >I was thinking along these lines but have simpler requirements. A lot of >traditional tunes (and not so traditional) set one or two bass patterns and >'loop' them. the twist is that they will transpose thru a chord progression. > > >So even a simple mono midi looper to create basslines (and let me set the >root note to transpose once I've captured the loops) would be huge. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:20 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? >> >> There is a genuine MIDI looper in the Ztar, but overdub IS a problem. >> Also I don't know if it records the MIDI in. >> http://www.starrlabs.com/ >> Gary -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 00:00:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D85323BED5; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 20:00:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aca1xdj48QIQPjZDS4CT1yCTgjJZqgAALFtw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060802000048.9244C3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:00:49 +0000 (UTC) True. I tend to think in terms of hardware loopers. But you're right. It should be possible to have ableton live do this sort of thing. > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:44 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > > Any sequencer can do this > > >I was thinking along these lines but have simpler requirements. A lot of > >traditional tunes (and not so traditional) set one or two bass patterns > and > >'loop' them. the twist is that they will transpose thru a chord > progression. > > > > > >So even a simple mono midi looper to create basslines (and let me set the > >root note to transpose once I've captured the loops) would be huge. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:20 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > >> > >> There is a genuine MIDI looper in the Ztar, but overdub IS a problem. > >> Also I don't know if it records the MIDI in. > >> http://www.starrlabs.com/ > >> Gary > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 00:13:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE7173BED5; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3yRBHagKmO3URQ6g3vvIApUh4bDZ8enT1cZ+r8rCAHe36Ba1o8FCHGwZEOCbB1k2CN3/g7N9jivTFUE2+wVTPfIirfQgPGU0jApfkiiAFwcaW/50r7XMq4SjMdlaUp0mi6X7W7+BGmdNQ9d/QPiBrr+PqPQHGdgu52BdwTRZWsQ= ; Message-ID: <20060802001335.65341.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Loooong, stereo, analog/tape style hardware delay... such a thing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608011317i4ef15fa2q7cf41db8a27e53c2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:13:37 +0000 (UTC) It wasn't supposed to do this, but if you tried to sync your Echo Pro delay to MIDI (you were supposed to) it would get grungier and grungier and weirder as time went on... at first I thought I was in some odd emulation but then I realized that it was just the standard digital delay and as soon as I yanked the midi cable the effect went away. It broke but in a cool way. Wouldn't know it on short delays but if you set them to repeat for a long time you'd hear it for sure. --- Todd Pafford wrote: > The DL4's big brother, the Echo Pro, has filtering > options out the > wazoo. Sounds exactly like what Jesse's looking > for. The only > problem is that max stereo delay time is like 2.5 > seconds and even > shorter I think in the DL4. Still, I love the tube > & tape echo models > and some of the weirder ones like the platter > (...instant Pink > Floyd...) Definitely worth checking out despite the > delay length. > > Todd > > On 8/1/06, Michael Peters wrote: > > > > > > have you checked the Line6 DL4 delay modeler? > maybe it doesn't exactly do > > what you're after but there are many delay > possibilities, including the > > warble. > > > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 00:55:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A52CF3BEC7; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44CFF9AF.6090400@bagend.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:02:39 -0500 From: Henry Heine User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Repeater and Boomerang From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 07:06:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C173BECA; 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Amazing stuff. Be sure to watch the videos. Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 17:43:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADA883BEC2; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2XxVLwluJdE53+Tztxpeev5Htj6xZcLh7s2IfASsfhNy5iNlhtiBnTn7JzEg8pJ3wgs82m3RkcYSM/N9B5X6Z8qQtjXyJIhXH+/V/JFWpoaGFG7mZZUV2bxAGX2jL9lNmju6xyQLC7XfBbje+9RdBUxqbItCOpgWjE3I1xZggSw= ; Message-ID: <20060802174332.64362.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060802000048.9244C3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:34 +0000 (UTC) I just sold an E-MU XL-7 Command Station that did some pretty cool MIDI looping. One issue is you had to predefine your loop length. M --- Bill Edmondson wrote: > True. I tend to think in terms of hardware loopers. > But you're right. It > should be possible to have ableton live do this sort > of thing. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Charles Zwicky > [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:44 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > > > > Any sequencer can do this > > > > >I was thinking along these lines but have simpler > requirements. A lot of > > >traditional tunes (and not so traditional) set > one or two bass patterns > > and > > >'loop' them. the twist is that they will > transpose thru a chord > > progression. > > > > > > > > >So even a simple mono midi looper to create > basslines (and let me set the > > >root note to transpose once I've captured the > loops) would be huge. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:20 PM > > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> Subject: RE: Midi looper ... anyone know one? > > >> > > >> There is a genuine MIDI looper in the Ztar, > but overdub IS a problem. > > >> Also I don't know if it records the MIDI in. > > >> http://www.starrlabs.com/ > > >> Gary > > > > > > -- > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 17:59:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C6DF3BED9; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044a01c6b65d$5d32ec70$800101df@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Quick poll Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:53:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03ED_01C6B63B.1252CDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03ED_01C6B63B.1252CDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know I'm coming into this late, but can I still play? =20 Delay/Loopers: Digitech RP2000 (delay on infinte repeat) Digitech 2 sec delay (with sample/hold) GigaDelay RC20XL DL4 Arion Stero Delay FX: Vortex Roland RSP-550 Alesis ModFX Adrenalinn I also have my mixer & patch bay setup so I can route the aux = sent/returns between each other (and through the loopers/delays/fx) to = get feedback loops. Tony K ----- Original Message -----=20 From: markfrancombe.com=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Quick poll Due to the phenomenal jump in available loopers, this list has widened = it breath of topics to discuss loads of different subjects recently, so = much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots technology... It used to = be that this list was predominately an EDP list, with a bit of my = loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of philosophising and = politicising... I'm still interested, facinated by this list.. but lets ahve a quick = poll Whos using what now? I'll start... (looping products mentioned only please) Vortex split into EDP and Repeater your turn... mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_03ED_01C6B63B.1252CDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know I'm coming into this late, but = can I still=20 play? 
 
Delay/Loopers:
 
Digitech RP2000 (delay on infinte=20 repeat)
Digitech 2 sec delay (with=20 sample/hold)
GigaDelay
RC20XL
DL4
Arion Stero Delay
 
FX:
 
Vortex
Roland RSP-550
Alesis ModFX
Adrenalinn
 
I also have my mixer & patch bay = setup so I can=20 route the aux sent/returns between each other (and through the=20 loopers/delays/fx) to get feedback loops.
 
Tony K
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 markfrancombe.com
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 = 7:39 AM
Subject: Quick poll

Due to the phenomenal jump in = available loopers,=20 this list has widened it breath of topics to discuss loads of = different=20 subjects recently, so much so that I havent HEARD of some of you lots=20 technology... It used to be that this list was predominately an EDP = list, with=20 a bit of my loopers better that your looper convo's, and a bit of=20 philosophising and politicising...
 
I'm still interested, facinated by = this list..=20 but lets ahve a quick poll
 
Whos using what now?

I'll = start...=20 (looping products mentioned only please)
 
Vortex  split into EDP and=20 Repeater
 
 
your turn...
 
 
mark francombe
marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and = works at www.transformlearning.com
------=_NextPart_000_03ED_01C6B63B.1252CDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 20:18:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7468E3BEC7; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:18:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4bb.63960a4.3202627f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:18:07 EDT Subject: Re: OT Flamenco percussion dance instrument To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4bb.63960a4.3202627f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:18:12 +0000 (UTC) --part1_4bb.63960a4.3202627f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/2/06 11:21:34 AM, mp@mpeters.de writes: > http://www.xala.ch/450_video.php?lang_choose=1 > brilliant!.....it said that her instrument was built in 1999.....perhaps today she shows up and dances on a laptop!.....:).....thanx michael.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_4bb.63960a4.3202627f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/2/06 11:21:34 AM, mp@mpeters.de writes:


http://www.xala.ch/45= 0_video.php?lang_choose=3D1


brilliant!.....it said that her instrument was built in 1999.....perhaps=20= today she shows up and dances on a laptop!.....:).....thanx michael.....mich= ael



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--part1_4bb.63960a4.3202627f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 20:28:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B825C3BEC2; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <46e.4738527.320264eb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:28:27 EDT Subject: death of a rang To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_46e.4738527.320264eb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:28:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_46e.4738527.320264eb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my rang is very ill.....it is either dying or it has become very psychotic.....i record a loop and it may play for a long time or just for a few repeats then just stops and the loop is lost.....if i hit the stack button the loop stops and disappears.....very irratic behavior.....i've been running an air-conditioner in my studio for several daze and perhaps due to the dryness there may be a "static" electricty problem coming from my carpeting.....am i reaching?.....i know i'm freakin.....let me see what you rangers (boomers) have to say then i'll call mike n.....:(.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_46e.4738527.320264eb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable my rang is very ill.....it is either dy= ing or it has become very psychotic.....i record a loop and it may play for=20= a long time or just for a few repeats then just stops and the loop is lost..= ...if i hit the stack button the loop stops and disappears.....very irratic=20= behavior.....i've been running an air-conditioner in my studio for several d= aze and perhaps due to the dryness there may be a "static" electricty proble= m coming from my carpeting.....am i reaching?.....i know i'm freakin.....let= me see what you rangers (boomers) have to say then i'll call mike n.....:(.= ....michael



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--part1_46e.4738527.320264eb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 20:39:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8BFC3BECC; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <44D10C7A.8040704@unguitar.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:35:06 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Switchblade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi, before doing any other step, I think it is correct to inform you that I am selling my Sound Sculpture Switchblade. It is the second one I got and it's here since a couple of years. I am in Italy and I think that it would be interesting to european friends more than those on the other side of the world ... Just mail me privately if interested. My best, Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 2 21:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103873BECD; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060802174254.x240o15ek3e4ow88@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:42:54 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: death of a rang References: <46e.4738527.320264eb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <46e.4738527.320264eb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <3nbugC.A.Mn.pxR0EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Could be static, could also be that it needs a cleaning. I have the procedure for cleaning listed somewhere. I can dig it up if you like. ~peace~ Plish Quoting Nemoguitt@aol.com: > my rang is very ill.....it is either dying or it has become very > psychotic.....i record a loop and it may play for a long time or > just for a few repeats > then just stops and the loop is lost.....if i hit the stack button the loop > stops and disappears.....very irratic behavior.....i've been running an > air-conditioner in my studio for several daze and perhaps due to the > dryness there may > be a "static" electricty problem coming from my carpeting.....am i > reaching?.....i know i'm freakin.....let me see what you rangers > (boomers) have to say > then i'll call mike n.....:(.....michael > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 3 01:48:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6CFC3BEC2; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "Kim Flint" References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 19:47:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 01:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Hello all - We now have twenty 30-second sound clips on the LD 10-Year Reunion streaming file. Keep em' coming! See instructions below. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Here you go: > > All streamed here: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/loopers-delight-10year.m3u > > Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: > > http://www.box.net/ > Login: loopersdelight > Password: loopersdelight > > Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Krispen Hartung - Boise - > Idaho - USA.mp3 > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 3 07:05:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46D23BED3; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:05:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hbmnhoySdW6YscI3HZlxpGz9L4RZ5LiqDFSaFPIVO+eWoqYklO5wo4Z++pgxcYWfbmdIhAyGcu6BLtAfJXFqMPKHfJsxnMgDihlrnon2ilCz1H8fSC1IJIRrDazSBnWb2X/n1yn7L0IBqzASPkriDYoJcDhmCIny1gLnB2KYdzA= ; Message-ID: <20060803070557.39673.qmail@web80726.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 00:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Javaheri Subject: [LD]RME fireface 800 for sale (OT gear for sale) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-202215363-1154588757=:38001" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:05:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-202215363-1154588757=:38001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all. Well, continuing health problems (nothing contagious, mind) forcing me to sell this as new RME fireface 800 Bought Mid April as NOS (New old stock) from one of the few merchants that is up front about that (RME is now telling Synthax date of manufacture is when the warranty starts,merchants are telling people "full warranty", but it's not true, if pressed they'll say "oh don't worry Synthax will take care of you but that's a big maybe) What's certain is that I'm the original owner, pulled the unit out of it's box just over 3 months ago in which time it's sat in a smoke free, filtered air studio, that it works perfectly, and comes "as new" with all cables, driver disk, manual, etc. and that this unit has at least 8 plus months of fully transferable warranty. If you've been on the fence on getting one of these, this is a great opportunity. $1000 even, no shipping (if you're in the {hopefuly south} bay area), no tax, no worries, you'll see this unit is immaculate. Posting here to see if someone on list and preferable local can use it and would find it a good deal, plus would rather not mess with ebay. Can bring it by if you're in the south bay. Thanks. Sincerely, glenn j 408-971-3397 --0-202215363-1154588757=:38001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello all.
 
Well, continuing health problems (nothing contagious, mind) forcing me to sell this as new RME fireface 800
Bought Mid April as NOS (New old stock) from one of the few merchants that is up front about that (RME is now telling Synthax date of manufacture is when the warranty starts,merchants are telling people "full warranty", but it's not true, if pressed they'll say "oh don't worry Synthax will take care of you but that's a big maybe) What's certain is that I'm the original owner, pulled the unit out of it's box just over 3 months ago in which time it's sat in a smoke free, filtered air studio, that it works perfectly, and comes "as new" with all cables, driver disk, manual, etc. and that this unit has at least 8 plus months of fully transferable warranty.
 
If you've been on the fence on getting one of these, this is a great opportunity.
 
$1000 even, no shipping (if you're in the {hopefuly south} bay area), no tax, no worries, you'll see this unit is immaculate. Posting here to see if someone on list and preferable local can use it and would find it a good deal, plus would rather not mess with ebay.
 
Can bring it by if you're in the south bay.
 
 
Thanks.
Sincerely,
glenn j
408-971-3397
--0-202215363-1154588757=:38001-- From ncf57@eden3.netclusive.de Thu Aug 3 09:50:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1046 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:50:09 UTC Received: from mtx1.netclusive.de (mtx1.netclusive.de [89.110.129.41]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDEF3BEC7 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mtx1.netclusive.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B993394803 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:32:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mtx1.netclusive.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mtx1.netclusive.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03614-01-7 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:32:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eden3.netclusive.de (eden3.netclusive.de [89.110.129.53]) by mtx1.netclusive.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE40F394979 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by eden3.netclusive.de (Postfix, from userid 825) id B67984781AA; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:24 +0200 (CEST) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Part Time Job Offer From: Henry Malcon Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20060803093124.B67984781AA@eden3.netclusive.de> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:31:24 +0200 (CEST) Dear sir/ma, My name is Henry Malcon and I am an artist.I live in United Kingdom,with my two kids, four cats,one dog and the love of my life. It is definitely a full house. I have been doing artwork since I was a small child. That gives me about 23 years of experience. I majored in art in high school and took a few college art courses. Most of my work is done in either pencil or airbrush mixed with color pencils. I have recently added designing and creating artwork on the computer.I have been selling my art for the last 3 years and have had my work featured on trading cards, prints and in magazines. I have sold in galleries and to private collectors from all around the world.I am always facing serious difficulties when it comes to selling my art works to Americans,they are always offering to pay witha US POSTAL MONEY ORDER,which is difficult for me to cash here in United Kingdom. I am looking for a representative in the states who will be working for me as a partime worker and i will be willing to pay %10 for every transaction,which wouldnt affect your present state of work,someone who would help me recieve payments from my customers in the states. I mean someone that is responsible and reliable,cause the cost of coming to the state and getting payments is very expensive,i am working on setting up a branch in the states,so for now i need a representative in the united states who will be handling the payment aspect. These payments are in money order and they would come to you in your name, so all you need do is cash the money order deduct your percentage and wire the rest back. But the problem i have is trust,But i have my way of getting anyone that gets away with my money,i mean the FBI branch in Washington gets involved. 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Warmest Regards, H Malcon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 3 10:39:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4D5D3BED9; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:39:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:34:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44D1D151.7010302@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <4yP_n.A.ObH.iJd0EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:39:30 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Today, I have new releases from InsideOut and Unicorn Digital record labels. GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Klaus Schulze and his recent reissed work on Revisited Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Das Wagner Desaster." The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Tyger" by Tangerine Dream on Caroline Records and released in 1987. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 3 14:50:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468D03BED2; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RcBjklOfNDQTgKNsHZjOaKvbF7+i92L5PNBoVIq7EguQnHckrMap7t6jSA3dMBx9nCkWtK+pM67h25zxkv6W+8ZJtImNhOvi3WmpsTq361qyh33CrsyefDUflfuxfyF4Xl8h2MzTebRUdM6LfKEazkhzFk1yxMflH+Pbu4o855Y= ; Message-ID: <20060803145004.50683.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:50:04 +0100 (BST) From: matthew gregory Subject: RC-50 : maximum loop time? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-76347042-1154616604=:48604" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-76347042-1154616604=:48604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit has anyone discovered a maximum loop time for the RC-50? i'm thinking very long scale ambient pieces and would need several minutes.. i'm hoping 49 mins (mono) divided by 3 is roughly 16 mins per loop (mono) or 8 mins per loop (stereo) --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! 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has anyone discovered a maximum loop time for the RC-50? i'm thinking very long scale ambient pieces and would need several minutes..
 
i'm hoping 49 mins (mono) divided by 3 is roughly 16 mins per loop (mono) or 8 mins per loop (stereo)


All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine --0-76347042-1154616604=:48604-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 3 18:41:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00EAC3BEC5; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:41:09 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: RE: RC-50 : maximum loop time? In-reply-to: <20060803145004.50683.qmail@web25803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0J3F004ITQKSXD60@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_L/e7Ybgp/0UgV4HTd4uKHA)" Thread-index: Aca3DEdHNR3TgjDyTi+ir1NNcFjRdQAH4Lcg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 18:41:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_L/e7Ybgp/0UgV4HTd4uKHA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT There's no maximum time per phrase. you can record one 49 minute loop if you want (in mono). Jesse _____ From: matthew gregory [mailto:ixlramp@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 10:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 : maximum loop time? has anyone discovered a maximum loop time for the RC-50? i'm thinking very long scale ambient pieces and would need several minutes.. i'm hoping 49 mins (mono) divided by 3 is roughly 16 mins per loop (mono) or 8 mins per loop (stereo) _____ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine --Boundary_(ID_L/e7Ybgp/0UgV4HTd4uKHA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

There’s no maximum time per phrase… you can record one 49 minute loop if you want (in mono).

 

Jesse

 


From: matthew gregory [mailto:ixlramp@yahoo.co.uk]
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Subject: RC-50 : maximum loop time?

 

has anyone discovered a maximum loop time for the RC-50? i'm thinking very long scale ambient pieces and would need several minutes..

 

i'm hoping 49 mins (mono) divided by 3 is roughly 16 mins per loop (mono) or 8 mins per loop (stereo)

 


All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine

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It loops. --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > Cool vids of kaoss pad usage: > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/08/hardcore-kaoss-pad-video-pron.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 3 23:36:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4389E3BED5; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gf2l8v8e2WHJi9f8TFTl9lqpHUylC2JpGc4Zpbup5T81mpYxZWSRneXdBgLwp0s7nj61t92L2JPAL/sp+P7XKSrpBDRwzl7sqhLIyYGSJsrwSv5DZU6F+DDkU+rAAK+6gluaOWHlZRKnPXZtCdCZmsJ6WEKdB7q1z3zX06jN3rA= Message-ID: <64b81a780608031636l1ed43554leb52b9dc9048058@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:36:40 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Flamenco percussion dance instrument In-Reply-To: <006c01c6b647$4bcda760$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060802151112.B30703BEDA@arsenic.violacea.com> <006c01c6b647$4bcda760$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the link, Michael. Very cool stuff. Of course, I couldn't understand a word of what was said, but the music was cool. On 8/2/06, Michael Peters wrote: > for those who like minimalist percussive music and dance: > http://www.xala.ch/450_video.php?lang_choose=1 > check this out. Amazing stuff. Be sure to watch the videos. > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 07:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 544A33BEB9; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=faMXptI3zLKgSlddih142PTBy4acskUsJSsKFLBfV3CP66//bcnRvy3sbuDdSEO4TXPfVNf0vDQjV9k+oAW4VvAsVKE19agSX+cWXG4mH/bLfr3/ORN78kk4mCUZDqzPaSXervllUQy8Gs2e4iT74UNa88EzBNGHe8hpm+0bnz8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060803231315.37604.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060803231315.37604.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <485E9A19-E669-4238-BA5A-FC474F0BE324@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT IT LOOPS) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:06:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:06:06 +0000 (UTC) On 4 aug 2006, at 01.13, mark sottilaro wrote: > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3321 > Not off topic. It loops. Yes, definitely. And also: X/Y parameter vector control totally rocks for live looping! ;-) So far I only have one such device, a joystick, but I love it and wish I had more MIDI controllers of that type. I would like to get only the kaoss' touch pad (without all the electronics) and use it on the floor to draw control data with a toe while playing instrument with hands. That would be awesome! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 07:56:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9BF3BED5; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: R: R: Quick poll Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C26334724CA@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: R: Quick poll Thread-Index: Aca3mZ8k/k51Ze47QimB3w2oAYtaAw== References: <3fc7ab0e650d9f9c830826078745eac1@glasswing.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Aug 2006 07:56:35.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[81F2BA60:01C6B79B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Richard The Switchbade is a wonderfull device, you can connect all your gear to = it and route, split, and mix the audio signal. It's also easy to configure using Winblade software. I'm very happy to have recently bought it. Milco Montagna http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/ =20 -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Richard Sales [mailto:richard@glasswing.com] Inviato: mer 02/08/2006 16.11 A: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Oggetto: Re: R: Quick poll =20 Wow! The Switchblade looks really cool! How do you like it? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Aug-06, at 12:03 AM, wrote: > EDP ; Repeater > > http://xoomer.alice.it/milco.montagna/Equipment.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 08:12:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 987AC3BECC; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C26334724CA@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> References: <3fc7ab0e650d9f9c830826078745eac1@glasswing.com> <050DFCE630CFDE47A2E4EF15C44C26334724CA@E03MVY2-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2AD102F5-2AD3-4C99-8F8B-DAA0BA175BC9@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: R: R: Quick poll Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 03:07:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_MGCuB.A.I5G.jFw0EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:12:19 +0000 (UTC) > > It's also easy to configure using Winblade software. There is also a Mac version, Javablade, that is currently in a beta version and being tested for quirks and bugs. Should be available pretty soon, though. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 12:55:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC563BEC5; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c6b7c5$3d14a000$c6b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060803231315.37604.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <485E9A19-E669-4238-BA5A-FC474F0BE324@gmail.com> Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT IT LOOPS) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:55:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:55:21 +0000 (UTC) you should check out Cycling 74's Hipno vst...it has a hipnoscope on the screen that you can manipulate with your mouse, with your hand in the air via a webcam. You can customize how the x/y axis maps to different parameters of the effect and preset. With a switch of wave of your hand you can morph your sound across several paramter changes. I haven't got around to doing this myself with the web cam, but I use my mouse. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:06 AM Subject: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT IT LOOPS) > On 4 aug 2006, at 01.13, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3321 >> Not off topic. It loops. > > > Yes, definitely. And also: X/Y parameter vector control totally rocks for > live looping! ;-) So far I only have one such device, a joystick, but I > love it and wish I had more MIDI controllers of that type. I would like > to get only the kaoss' touch pad (without all the electronics) and use it > on the floor to draw control data with a toe while playing instrument > with hands. That would be awesome! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 14:02:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64B043BEC7; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IwiYIqfBllqQFmA7CXvoUQ/vBdhyaPLj5dacAvHtyHI7m7E7vvik3YzzaHdCH6yKNySMpD27VAUPi15UqiqmBiMdCKgXxIbf40m66VsZVg3FF61gAW+9cDASXKEf3etBzQm7grqmifij3P/XPcIzI3RM7iH95WAJhUgDhwRpc0Q= In-Reply-To: <003c01c6b7c5$3d14a000$c6b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060803231315.37604.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <485E9A19-E669-4238-BA5A-FC474F0BE324@gmail.com> <003c01c6b7c5$3d14a000$c6b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT IT LOOPS) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:01:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the reminder, Kris. Hipno's looking way cool! :-) My next gig (quartet in Italy) will utilize spy cameras for projection. If I can find money to get Hipno I may look into it after that (not probable though, since I'm saving up for an EWI first hand) per On 4 aug 2006, at 14.55, Krispen Hartung wrote: > you should check out Cycling 74's Hipno vst...it has a hipnoscope > on the screen that you can manipulate with your mouse, with your > hand in the air via a webcam. You can customize how the x/y axis > maps to different parameters of the effect and preset. With a > switch of wave of your hand you can morph your sound across several > paramter changes. I haven't got around to doing this myself with > the web cam, but I use my mouse. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:06 AM > Subject: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT > OT IT LOOPS) > > >> On 4 aug 2006, at 01.13, mark sottilaro wrote: >> >>> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3321 >>> Not off topic. It loops. >> >> >> Yes, definitely. And also: X/Y parameter vector control totally >> rocks for live looping! ;-) So far I only have one such device, >> a joystick, but I love it and wish I had more MIDI controllers of >> that type. I would like to get only the kaoss' touch pad (without >> all the electronics) and use it on the floor to draw control data >> with a toe while playing instrument with hands. That would be >> awesome! >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >> http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 14:29:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6CD3BED5; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KWrkoRbV2qar0jX+LKR6gmKKzAQqCkSn4719prwQZN2XV23v9DHR8IOlQiS2jeCHD6NFMcI3bb9mOwcF38QU83vcDusRmgoWO6j0vTMx44gmP2+PAC/W6RY6enf/hPxs7GIPd6rtj5iulrwiH3rys8SL67cvfdSvfZRjmTK+HZQ= ; Message-ID: <20060804142932.59592.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT IT LOOPS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <485E9A19-E669-4238-BA5A-FC474F0BE324@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:29:34 +0000 (UTC) I agree, the x/y controller is great. One of the reasons I went with the Novation Remote 61 for a midi controller. Also it has a "z" control too if you consider aftertouch. I wish it had an Alesis style "air" control though. Man that's fun. I might even buy their midi controller just for that. --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 4 aug 2006, at 01.13, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=3321 > > Not off topic. It loops. > > > Yes, definitely. And also: X/Y parameter vector > control totally rocks > for live looping! ;-) So far I only have one such > device, a > joystick, but I love it and wish I had more MIDI > controllers of that > type. I would like to get only the kaoss' touch pad > (without all the > electronics) and use it on the floor to draw control > data with a toe > while playing instrument with hands. That would be > awesome! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 15:04:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 545E93BEC5; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D36205.9040602@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:04:37 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT IT LOOPS) References: <20060804142932.59592.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060804142932.59592.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:04:45 +0000 (UTC) I love that kind of control, too. I tend to blab too much about this maker, but there's two things from Effector 13 like this. One is their Truly Beautiful Disaster fuzzbox, which has a feedback loop in it (see, LOOPING!) with a photo eye for controlling the intensity of the feedback. I think they also do a standalone version...then there's also the Synth Mangler, a kind of dual fuzzbox (and a really sick, oscillating fuzz it is, too) with a joystick control for blending the two. It also has a photo eye, which works kinda like a noise theremin in this case. http://www.effector13.com/pedals/synthmangler/index.html Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com >> Yes, definitely. And also: X/Y parameter vector >> control totally rocks >> for live looping! ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 4 17:59:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1CFA3BED3; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT I T LOOPS) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 19:58:03 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Surely, it loops and it's definitively one of my preferred piece of gear. = With its X/Y vectors I've got a usefull control of effects. About what Per = said, I've see a cellist in the M. Stockausen band playing it with her nude = foot.. Sreange but interesting!=20 My best Fabio Anile=20 http://xoomer. alice. it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 5 09:05:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A273BEC7; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060729181140.04ceb498@annihilist.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060729181140.04ceb498@annihilist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8b2fc001e3dc346be132aa374aa60f81@virgin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:52:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:05:35 +0000 (UTC) The biggest loss from the list, I believe someone once said here when he passed away it was like losing a library of books that was so true. wonderful interesting man. geoff On 30 Jul 2006, at 02:24, Kim Flint wrote: > August 3rd will mark the 1 year anniversary since Richard Zvonar > passed away. > > Richard's family and friends are each planning to light a candle on > that day in his remembrance. They have asked if the Looper's Delight > community would like to join them in lighting a candle to honor his > memory. Please light one if you can. > > Richard was an amazing person, and a pleasure to have as a friend and > member of this community. I miss him often. > > If you didn't know Richard, or wish to remember, here the ultimate > Richard Zvonar search link so you can do your own research (as Richard > would have wanted you to!): > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive? > query=zvonar%2Casterion&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0 > &.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cg > ifields=partial&.cgifields=case > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 5 19:21:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61D283BECA; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: coping with latency when using acoustic instruments Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 21:20:55 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c6b8c4$46924650$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca4xEXXRvo9TBHfTFaSVi+3hmDyEg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Another latency/laptop-related topic: Most of the time when doing my laptop looping stuff, I use electric/electronic instruments (electric guitars and basses, softsynths) as the sound sources. With that, latency is not a problem for me as I hear their sound from the mains exclusively and can adapt my playing so it fits in with the other things happening. I do however have a problem when singing: as I hear my voice acoustically (i.e. not through the laptop) first, I do my timing/phrasing according to how the voice I hear sits with the rest of the sound - and thus, its reproduction over the mains (and in loops) is always late. Does anyone have a recommendation how to work around this problem (e.g. by some clever way of training your hearing/singing?) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 5 20:36:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 075993BED2; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:36:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ba1Y+OC/1bYrPXoUpcQeu2shCwaRkbKsBJeJdkhyn1rnQznngjYOpoTgGqbwf93v9+1XwjeJDo2RgINeaiQjmK6PCVVDaWKKsgsmphPD17cXvHfr7xXmQknZ09Fcqkix7RElyH8dq5ouqSFkQs9zg0TpMekZbtlwutPdpUlOkY4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000601c6b8c4$46924650$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000601c6b8c4$46924650$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: coping with latency when using acoustic instruments Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:36:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:36:57 +0000 (UTC) On 5 aug 2006, at 21.20, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Another latency/laptop-related topic: > > Most of the time when doing my laptop looping stuff, I use > electric/electronic instruments (electric guitars and basses, > softsynths) as > the sound sources. With that, latency is not a problem for me as I > hear > their sound from the mains exclusively and can adapt my playing so > it fits > in with the other things happening. > > I do however have a problem when singing: as I hear my voice > acoustically > (i.e. not through the laptop) first, I do my timing/phrasing > according to > how the voice I hear sits with the rest of the sound - and thus, its > reproduction over the mains (and in loops) is always late. > > Does anyone have a recommendation how to work around this problem > (e.g. by > some clever way of training your hearing/singing?) > > Rainer 1. Using a looper/recorder that compensates for input A/D latency. 2. Do not listen to the direct input through the computer system, because it won't be compensated until it's been recorded (looped). Listen to the direct acoustic sound. or direct PA amplified sound, of your voice/instrument. If you do it right then it will be right when recorded/looped, given you have set up your software for the correct amount of latency compensation. I do this every day with Mobius and it's working like a charm. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 09:48:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50C43BEC7; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D5BAF6.8040107@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:48:38 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: > I've thrown away a ton. It's generally not worth the time & effort to > get to a store for the $10 you generally go home with. You seem to be wealthy. > And that's for good, mainstream CD's. Most of the stuff I have record > stores simply wouldn't give you anything for. But you could get something which would be worth more than $10 seem to be worth for you: a smile ;-) > I'm not that concerned with charity or making sure that people who > can't afford CD's have access to cheap used CD"s. But I do, before you want to throw it away, just give it to somebody. It will flow back... And of course, just don't buy crap, download it instead, much better for the environment. In Germany, by the way, old CDs can be collected and get entirely recycled. But I've thrown away also a lot, but mostly those add-on CD-ROM's from Magazines... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 09:52:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1F1D3BECD; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D5BBF2.9010701@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 11:52:50 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 09:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your > compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite your > set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy. Very > practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig. :) Feedback is dangerous if you don't know how close it is to 100% (I always want control of my 8 independent feedback knobs as I tend to go close to 100% from time to time). A looked loop of 90 seconds though definitely would let you go for a pee... In general feedback is always possible with a mixer, but those who demand it in the box probably want it without a mixer. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 12:01:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6937F3BEC7; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:01:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=OsFyRcV/EOsYee7XDe1OHZ4tOjT7zVaX4E2dpGb9/3COi/ASO/RsgBMUC5BpIIATDBi2LVS02tb6XJ0QkVmIwVuJJ0UTIZUim3i0ouLPpuy/HlhmBeAtM89tQw6VjRDGepdG5QWnAlWrt4u2w/Wz4g3wUsyu6W9VgUBlydcGcKQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44D5BAF6.8040107@addcom.de> References: <44D5BAF6.8040107@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A1C5D64-07CE-47C3-89FE-46DBAF80EB6F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: OT: Recycling old CDs (was: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:01:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:01:37 +0000 (UTC) On 6 aug 2006, at 11.48, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > But I've thrown away also a lot, but mostly those add-on CD-ROM's > from Magazines... I save all CDs that are shiny on both sides for the purpose of building sculptures out of them. If you hang such a thing in a window it will send the sun into the flat as hundreds of randomly moving reflections. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 15:46:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5A823BECF; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: coping with latency when using acoustic instruments Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:46:00 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c6b96f$6acdabd0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aca4zudNPgUMBHlgQcCfbJxZqhQv4wAn7lVg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:46:08 +0000 (UTC) > 1. Using a looper/recorder that compensates for input A/D latency. > 2. Do not listen to the direct input through the computer > system, because it won't be compensated until it's been > recorded (looped). You're right and this would work for me if I had a hardware channel strip (and hardware guitar amp), but this is not the case and not something I want to change (it's all-laptop in my case). So most of the time, I want the audience to hear the voice sound through all the latency things. And so using latency compensation in Mobius (yes, I'm using Mobius as well)... I was thinking more of some way of tricky training or "way of thinking" or whatever that helps you not to listen to the sound of your own voice, only what you hear from the mains/monitors. Unfortunately, the human brain uses the timing information of the first signal, not of the loudest signal for deciding when we hear something, so to overcome this, I'd have to listen to the mains/monitors at deafening levels, which I do not want to do. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 17:09:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 247073BED5; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PZRiqkEUFrBnukXXV3OrH7PuYBG+RvnP+CRwjo6ksk4G4sy/xVvPpxmcYcI2pv3G6eCV0CdOQ6Zr3swDk4DZ+fREWQFiUk1c5wAZXz5Fi3CULk94/XuytimZYEIh9fMS9Pf+0L1/4qbvi0iKjvHX+hOrHavC2PIDgrEoyyip6Mk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001801c6b96f$6acdabd0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <001801c6b96f$6acdabd0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: coping with latency when using acoustic instruments Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:09:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) On 6 aug 2006, at 17.46, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I was thinking more of some way of tricky training or "way of > thinking" or > whatever that helps you not to listen to the sound of your own > voice, only > what you hear from the mains/monitors. Unfortunately, the human > brain uses > the timing information of the first signal, not of the loudest > signal for > deciding when we hear something, so to overcome this, I'd have to > listen to > the mains/monitors at deafening levels, which I do not want to do. Hi Rainer, It's an old discipline among musicians to learn to play before or after the general beat. It's regarded as "a pro skill" because it's definitely not fun for the player, only for the listening audience ;-)) In the symphonic orchestra, for example, some instruments (like the trumpet) are target directly at the listeners while other instruments may be targeted towards the rear ceiling for a more diffused sound. These two instruments can not be played with the same general timing to be heard in time by the audience. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 18:21:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 426713BECC; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 18:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TLbLF0jVWsCuiT5+WgM5g71i2kDS3jwILVlJ8JuMCid8/SnrhF9Ov+TIrYUSpLHGD7+x8ZHdngaynJ/zL7YyG+Ys/Bh4gBLSSG7B8iBOWWb2TVasfkbTjaqq2TPNCzKz1wqoOkaVnZMx+ccxbPvDz/WmZ1nPero8h24lwZAf/z4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120608061121n5a7fab11k4c269f0992c6bbe9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:21:16 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS In-Reply-To: <44D5BBF2.9010701@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D5BBF2.9010701@addcom.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c23ad2c89c943fb6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 18:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Let me add my two cents and say that the RC-50 is just not ready for prime-time. The fact that I can't simply record a loop freely without a glitch is unacceptable (see discussions of the RC-50 glitch). The lack of feedback is very annoying. My unit is 16dB louder in the left output than the right. I am debating sending it to the manufacturer. I'd describe myself as "very disappointed" in this unit. On 8/6/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your > > compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite your > > set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy. Very > > practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig. :) > > Feedback is dangerous if you don't know how close it is to 100% (I > always want control of my 8 independent feedback knobs as I tend to go > close to 100% from time to time). A looked loop of 90 seconds though > definitely would let you go for a pee... > > In general feedback is always possible with a mixer, but those who > demand it in the box probably want it without a mixer. > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 6 21:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3553BED8; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060806170653.01c7d5b0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Sender: phaslem@mail.wightman.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:09:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: AW: coping with latency when using acoustic instruments In-Reply-To: <001801c6b96f$6acdabd0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <001801c6b96f$6acdabd0$0101a8c0@succubus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-57D32E1D Resent-Message-ID: <5u5fUC.A.-GF.aql1EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:09:46 +0000 (UTC) You might try in ear type monitors, I can't afford the fancy wireless type but I found that a decent wired in ear headphone a great deal of help, also lets you listen at lower decibels. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 11:46 AM 8/6/2006, you wrote: > > 1. Using a looper/recorder that compensates for input A/D latency. > > 2. Do not listen to the direct input through the computer > > system, because it won't be compensated until it's been > > recorded (looped). > >You're right and this would work for me if I had a hardware channel strip >(and hardware guitar amp), but this is not the case and not something I want >to change (it's all-laptop in my case). So most of the time, I want the >audience to hear the voice sound through all the latency things. And so >using latency compensation in Mobius (yes, I'm using Mobius as well)... > >I was thinking more of some way of tricky training or "way of thinking" or >whatever that helps you not to listen to the sound of your own voice, only >what you hear from the mains/monitors. Unfortunately, the human brain uses >the timing information of the first signal, not of the loudest signal for >deciding when we hear something, so to overcome this, I'd have to listen to >the mains/monitors at deafening levels, which I do not want to do. > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 05:16:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFBC23BEB9; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4tHw57teWETf5vnTnx63um326SQfDUr86PlHgOpVnukYu6HqOxQuqLkv4fyWHy0CrcIGakTag5H1GvKVl3P6PorJajU72QhDnJLNG+PaODjOiUkaQbWKtqXeG0HsajtOWhaZFwv91jABax0W/mL+2vUv/xcCZiynm+M/VJXjgjM= ; Message-ID: <20060807051642.3060.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: best interface/controller for mobius/Live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608031636l1ed43554leb52b9dc9048058@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:16:44 +0000 (UTC) hey My FCB1010 is as programmed as I think I want it, but there are lots of times I'd like to be able to control aspects of Live via some knob/fader style device... my hopes and dreams would have it be able to display my perameters as I change them, but there's always my white electrical tape... What are people using for such things? I feel like I'm mousing around far too much. Has anyone tried NI's KORE? I know it's for VSTi's but I'll be using them inside of Live too. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 05:44:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB783BECA; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060806223434.062006a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:44:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 In-Reply-To: <8b2fc001e3dc346be132aa374aa60f81@virgin.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060729181140.04ceb498@annihilist.com> <8b2fc001e3dc346be132aa374aa60f81@virgin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 05:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Richard Zvonar's sister, Dorie Griggs saw many of the kind things folks here had to say in reference to her brother. She wished to thank you all for that. Also, she was interested in the idea of a wikipedia entry for her brother, as some suggested here. Dorie can contribute details from Richard's life, and is in touch with many other people connected to him who can also contribute. She would like to hear from people in the Looper's Delight community who can contribute something. Can you help her out? Let me know. I can give you Dorie's contact info so you can participate in this project if you are interested. Please send me a mail if you are interested in helping with this. thanks, kim At 09:52 AM 8/1/2006, geoff smith wrote: >The biggest loss from the list, I believe someone once said here when >he passed away it was like losing a library of books that was so true. >wonderful interesting man. >geoff >On 30 Jul 2006, at 02:24, Kim Flint wrote: > >>August 3rd will mark the 1 year anniversary since Richard Zvonar >>passed away. >> >>Richard's family and friends are each planning to light a candle on >>that day in his remembrance. They have asked if the Looper's Delight >>community would like to join them in lighting a candle to honor his >>memory. Please light one if you can. >> >>Richard was an amazing person, and a pleasure to have as a friend and >>member of this community. I miss him often. >> >>If you didn't know Richard, or wish to remember, here the ultimate >>Richard Zvonar search link so you can do your own research (as Richard >>would have wanted you to!): >> >>http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive? >>query=zvonar%2Casterion&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0 >>&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cg >>ifields=partial&.cgifields=case >> >>kim >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 06:46:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EC143BECF; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: best interface/controller for mobius/Live Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:46:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001401c6b9ed$4357c0d0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060807051642.3060.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Aca54LD/EV+l3uMqScSacItduze6YwADHe8g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Behringer BCR2000 (together with a FCB1010) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 07:57:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E31413BEB9; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=h4Jz20L17jasTaiiD3A7ImTZYOOV86271v8tQH0jN7Rj/7bZZDUYQLH6nfesDz//hhLe+CgDSI24s8C3SbF8JhQDc6hlM2ENe0EUepTo7rBUKf5R/bjjSOO4Dlpxw0FslxGqpPhUvLN7yPpSQzdwiOJGHNXCDlM4O4EW7gWRdQY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060807051642.3060.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060807051642.3060.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5E49E370-C40B-49E3-8A07-841D2183DDAC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: best interface/controller for mobius/Live Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:57:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:57:05 +0000 (UTC) On 7 aug 2006, at 07.16, mark sottilaro wrote: > My FCB1010 is as programmed as I think I want it, but > there are lots of times I'd like to be able to control > aspects of Live via some knob/fader style device... my > hopes and dreams would have it be able to display my > perameters as I change them, but there's always my > white electrical tape... > > What are people using for such things? I feel like > I'm mousing around far too much. Has anyone tried > NI's KORE? I know it's for VSTi's but I'll be using > them inside of Live too. That's an important question you bring up here. For a while I was thinking about it a lot, trying to find out the best solution for visible display of my looping actions. But then it suddenly hit me that you can also take the opposite view, by only implementing those function/actions that are already existing your active musical mind - i.e. part of your improvisational imagination. According to this method you should keep on viewing the tech rig as an instrument; closely tied up with your body and instincts. And only induce new functions as you rehears them to slowly make them part of your unique flow. Personally I find that take more musically creative and I guess I will stay with it. BAck when I was using Live I tended to address your question by not just binding the midi events directly to the graphical display of the functions. Instead I set up a MIDI clip containing the event (or a clip envelope) to be sent either directly, or though the IAC Bus (yes, that was on Mac) to control the actual function. Then I kept one scene for each controller clip and made the binding from my MIDI controller (mostly the FCB but also others) not to the actual MIDI clip but to the scene. Ok, "why all this?" you may ask. The point is that the scenes are launched by activating the slots on the master track and these slots can be explicitly named. This means whatever pedal or button I pressed the corresponding scene would come up on the display with my own label of the function. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 13:14:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA91C3BED9; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:13:20 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #488 for August 3, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44D73C70.7000400@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:14:00 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060803.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. Show #488 August 3, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was disc one of "Das Wagner Desaster" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Tyger" by Tangerine Dream on Caroline Records and released in 1987. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Tangerine Dream Smile Tyger (Caroline) Free System Projekt Moyland Part 1 Moyland (Quantum) Tor Lundvall Scrap Yard Empty City (Strange Fortune) William Edge Steel My Soul Smokin (Sounds Blue) VA [Create] Saturn Dreaming Mercury Awakenings 2006 Vol. 2 (AmbientLive) Max Corbacho Three Circles The Talisman (ad21) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Wagner Das Wagner Desaster - CD1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Nietzsche Das Wagner Desaster - CD1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Entfremdung * Das Wagner Desaster - CD1 (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two from "Das Wagner Desaster" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Exit" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records and released in 1981. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 14:29:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B709B3BED6; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D74E38.1040102@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:29:12 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <099Fl.A.R1.6401EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > We now have twenty 30-second sound clips on the LD 10-Year Reunion > streaming file. Keep em' coming! Uploaded a short exerpt of an Ondes Memorielles impro with my friend Lutz Wernicke... I wanted to create a program to play 30 second snippets automatically out of a folder of sound files, as I had difficulties to choose my 30 seconds, that would play an ever changing stream forever and could/should be fed with longer pieces. It does work on a Mac, but on a PC it doesn't (Its a Max patch...). Krispen, if you happen to have a Mac around as well, I'll send it as standalone to you. The PC version probably has to be redesigned completely. At the moment I import the mp3 files into memory, the other version would probably just play them through Quicktime... Let me know what you think about the idea in general. We could just fill a folder on your harddrive and constantly create a neverending medley out of a lot of loopmusic and stream it to the web... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 14:29:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5187E3BEE6; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VBhzvQvzBzrLplzDwz27BMNTrTJq2kZHR4P0jT54j/OMlIQJXMq0kdADVwm++tOgmp+S/rUK1M0CrnEPQUoa8saG5TQmwm54ztPvoMyR0yKMwqFA3auoMYkBpv9ThYMdAHSivsUtcwydfTKAEVwozgdXCARvMYTNFBu1agHCFnM= ; Message-ID: <20060807142930.91797.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:30 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: saving loops on the repeater To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, repeater-users@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1597827851-1154960970=:84760" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_XCl6D.A.P7.L501EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:29:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-1597827851-1154960970=:84760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I have some problems storing my loops on the repeater. Both on the repeater and the card. Can some one tell me how to store on the card and on the repeater? best regards Rune F www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1597827851-1154960970=:84760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
I have some problems storing my loops on the repeater. Both on the repeater and the card.
 
Can some one tell me how to store on the card and on the repeater?
 
best regards Rune F 


www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1597827851-1154960970=:84760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:04:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F8113BEDD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013301c6ba39$726a7740$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D74E38.1040102@addcom.de> Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:52:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <4eRfzB.A.xz.FS21EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately, I don't have a Mac. And Windows XP doesn't seem to make playing 30 sec samples a part of the file and folder options set. It will play all the files in a folder using Windows Media Player (without popping up the player and with play and stop in the left navigation window of the file manager), but that is the extent of it. Try this. It looks like box.net added a new feature, similar ot theh photo slideshow function. I shared the overall loopersdelight folder here: http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main Click on th arrow and then click play. I just tried it and it plays all the files of the folder in sequence. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:29 AM Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> We now have twenty 30-second sound clips on the LD 10-Year Reunion >> streaming file. Keep em' coming! > > Uploaded a short exerpt of an Ondes Memorielles impro with my friend Lutz > Wernicke... > > I wanted to create a program to play 30 second snippets automatically out > of a folder of sound files, as I had difficulties to choose my 30 seconds, > that would play an ever changing stream forever and could/should be fed > with longer pieces. > It does work on a Mac, but on a PC it doesn't (Its a Max patch...). > Krispen, if you happen to have a Mac around as well, I'll send it as > standalone to you. The PC version probably has to be redesigned > completely. At the moment I import the mp3 files into memory, the other > version would probably just play them through Quicktime... > > Let me know what you think about the idea in general. We could just fill a > folder on your harddrive and constantly create a neverending medley out of > a lot of loopmusic and stream it to the web... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:06:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2070C3BED9; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=U3eKBMKs5f8pu0KEEQZCE77zFVTnrR61ODMZKSiiyz2YVMUOuqQmlUigRXVVBzYdBxXQ/jpRZ4WxU813PyLXlqO1eAk4oXEgpItpFKDkNiTzRrTj6DJ+0b0lLArGwx9uy8BFYtibZyJwYLuTyPoy8hJb8+17QEYddA8Cs2j6KNQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060807142930.91797.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060807142930.91797.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59EE5C92-F645-4B94-A77A-5F7CE0B8AD00@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: saving loops on the repeater Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:11:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:06:40 +0000 (UTC) On 7 aug 2006, at 16.29, rune fagereng wrote: > I have some problems storing my loops on the repeater. Both on the > repeater Not surprising you're having a problem with that. The moment you even record any sound it is instantly stored into the RAM (which is what I guess you mean by saying "the Repeater"?) > and the card. The display should read out when you are targeting storage space on the card. When I had a Repeater I avoided storing anything on the card because it made the machine so slow. So I learned looping techniques to never exceed the 8 MB RAM. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:11:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84E343BEE9; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120608061121n5a7fab11k4c269f0992c6bbe9@mail.gmail.com> References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D5BBF2.9010701@addcom.de> <26ba8d120608061121n5a7fab11k4c269f0992c6bbe9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-566196460 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch and LR levels Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:10:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-566196460 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I heard the glitch when trying to loop slower more sustain gtr stuff. Will check my LR levels. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Aug-06, at 11:21 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Let me add my two cents and say that the RC-50 is just not ready for > prime-time. > > The fact that I can't simply record a loop freely without a glitch is > unacceptable (see discussions of the RC-50 glitch). > > The lack of feedback is very annoying. > > My unit is 16dB louder in the left output than the right. I am > debating sending it to the manufacturer. > > I'd describe myself as "very disappointed" in this unit. > > > On 8/6/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your >> > compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite >> your >> > set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy. Very >> > practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig. :) >> >> Feedback is dangerous if you don't know how close it is to 100% (I >> always want control of my 8 independent feedback knobs as I tend to go >> close to 100% from time to time). A looked loop of 90 seconds though >> definitely would let you go for a pee... >> >> In general feedback is always possible with a mixer, but those who >> demand it in the box probably want it without a mixer. >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > --Apple-Mail-5-566196460 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I heard the glitch when trying to loop slower more sustain gtr stuff. Will check my LR levels. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Aug-06, at 11:21 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: Let me add my two cents and say that the RC-50 is just not ready for prime-time. The fact that I can't simply record a loop freely without a glitch is unacceptable (see discussions of the RC-50 glitch). The lack of feedback is very annoying. My unit is 16dB louder in the left output than the right. I am debating sending it to the manufacturer. I'd describe myself as "very disappointed" in this unit. On 8/6/06, Stefan Tiedje < wrote: Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your > compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite your > set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy. Very > practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig. :) Feedback is dangerous if you don't know how close it is to 100% (I always want control of my 8 independent feedback knobs as I tend to go close to 100% from time to time). A looked loop of 90 seconds though definitely would let you go for a pee... In general feedback is always possible with a mixer, but those who demand it in the box probably want it without a mixer. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) --Apple-Mail-5-566196460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:14:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D44E03BEDD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9A1C5D64-07CE-47C3-89FE-46DBAF80EB6F@gmail.com> References: <44D5BAF6.8040107@addcom.de> <9A1C5D64-07CE-47C3-89FE-46DBAF80EB6F@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-566380567 Message-Id: <6019cdd8ab60f9b2074b1c1d1c16f11d@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Recycling old CDs (was: Re: All My CDs Marked down to $5.00) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:13:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:14:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-566380567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Don't put CDs out in the weather. I tried to use them to scare away deer from our blueberries. Looked cool and twinkled in the sun! But they biodegrade in the sun/rain and shed all kinds of gnarly sliver flakes of modern chemistry everywhere. In a window is probably okay, though. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Aug-06, at 5:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 6 aug 2006, at 11.48, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> But I've thrown away also a lot, but mostly those add-on CD-ROM's >> from Magazines... > > I save all CDs that are shiny on both sides for the purpose of > building sculptures out of them. If you hang such a thing in a window > it will send the sun into the flat as hundreds of randomly moving > reflections. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > --Apple-Mail-6-566380567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Don't put CDs out in the weather. I tried to use them to scare away deer from our blueberries. Looked cool and twinkled in the sun! But they biodegrade in the sun/rain and shed all kinds of gnarly sliver flakes of modern chemistry everywhere. In a window is probably okay, though. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 6-Aug-06, at 5:01 AM, Per Boysen wrote: On 6 aug 2006, at 11.48, Stefan Tiedje wrote: But I've thrown away also a lot, but mostly those add-on CD-ROM's from Magazines... I save all CDs that are shiny on both sides for the purpose of building sculptures out of them. If you hang such a thing in a window it will send the sun into the flat as hundreds of randomly moving reflections. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-6-566380567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:29:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 335FA3BEDE; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: saving loops on the repeater Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:29:30 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002b01c6ba3e$a8ea64b0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060807142930.91797.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Aca6LejhL3Yw/MWnQwC96p7HnPkjUgAEHspg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:47 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure if I understand your question here...you store a loop to the Repeater (or to the memory card) by recording it. So if you can record a loop, it is stored. If you want to transfer it e.g. from the Repeater's internal memory to the card, use the copy function (it has a dedicated button). Loop numbers with a leading apostrophe are for internal memory locations, without the ' they reside on the card. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:30:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C50433BEF6; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:30:59 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Richard Zvonar - Aug 3 To: Kim Flint , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003101c6ba3e$e0344b20$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060806223434.062006a8@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:30:21 +0000 (UTC) Kim wrote: > Hi folks, > > Richard Zvonar's sister, Dorie Griggs saw many of the kind things folks > here had to say in reference to her brother. She wished to thank you all > for that. > > Also, she was interested in the idea of a wikipedia entry for her brother, > as some suggested here. Dorie can contribute details from Richard's life, > and is in touch with many other people connected to him who can also > contribute. She would like to hear from people in the Looper's Delight > community who can contribute something. > > Can you help her out? Although I would LOVE to pick up the ball on this, I am heavily booked for another week or so. Anyone with adequate writing chops should jump on this. But if nobody else raises their haand, maybe I'll be able to fiti it in next week sometime... Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 16:37:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D38AF3BEDD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060806223434.062006a8@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20060729181140.04ceb498@annihilist.com> <8b2fc001e3dc346be132aa374aa60f81@virgin.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20060806223434.062006a8@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:59:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: FS: Lexicon Jam-Man Delay / Looper Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1057156112==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <95G2xB.A.gYC.8w21EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:37:16 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1057156112==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Lexicon Jam-Man Delay / Looper I have a fully upgraded Lexicon Jam-Man Delay / Looper for sale. Comes with all original documentation and software plus new Sellon software. It has the non-volitile p-ram installed, plus full memory expansion. It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 tracks of looping!) The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO latency...unlike the repeater and the stock 16 second delay... http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm $350 -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1057156112==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" FS: Lexicon Jam-Man Delay / Looper
Lexicon Jam-Man Delay / Looper

I have a fully upgraded Lexicon Jam-Man Delay / Looper for sale.

Comes with all original documentation and software plus new Sellon software.

It has the non-volitile p-ram installed, plus full memory expansion.

It also features the latest software update from Bob Sellon (4 tracks of looping!)

The sound quality is notably better than my Electrix repeater or EH-16 second delay reissue, plus the Jam-Man has ZERO latency...unlike the repeater and the stock 16 second delay...

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199903/msg00018.html

http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/_04Manual/Changes.htm

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--============_-1057156112==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 17:04:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563723BEDF; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D772EE.6060604@free.fr> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:05:50 +0200 From: daviD User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: best interface/controller for mobius/Live References: <20060807160640.0C9053BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060807160640.0C9053BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:04:32 +0000 (UTC) > Sujet: > best interface/controller for mobius/Live > Expéditeur: > mark sottilaro > Date: > Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:16:42 -0700 (PDT) > Destinataire: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > hey > > My FCB1010 is as programmed as I think I want it, but > there are lots of times I'd like to be able to control > aspects of Live via some knob/fader style device... my > hopes and dreams would have it be able to display my > perameters as I change them, but there's always my > white electrical tape... > Take a look at the Faderfox controllers : www.faderfox.de No display but they're optimized and labeled for Live, are quite small (which is a good thing) and look great... "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 18:35:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AD4A3BEDD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=g9JSc4LInd1CW1/vTKME4G4IsmvSsyiXaVXLvkPm24FF0vXNfM+RmUAeKn9/mhz2s2l+KCZWqEFTGeufYwypalX7/ZKTsB+cKJ79XP5x6JWl/m91D0gtPtE8Ro9/Zqfxicm1SS2S8ZwHr7/KXtS0Ngwu7UuZo2aniIma33xEH9Y= Message-ID: <26ba8d120608071134u2dcac031j4fd7bae876c23a91@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:34:57 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch and LR levels In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <529.3fcc2e1.31f06175@aol.com> <0c4d01c6abb6$8a907b80$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D5BBF2.9010701@addcom.de> <26ba8d120608061121n5a7fab11k4c269f0992c6bbe9@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b4f4c3415fe91b7c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:34:59 +0000 (UTC) I think the levels have to be some sort of hardware issue. As for the glitch, I hear it every time. It's maddening. On 8/7/06, Richard Sales wrote: > I heard the glitch when trying to loop slower more sustain gtr stuff. > Will check my LR levels. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 6-Aug-06, at 11:21 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > Let me add my two cents and say that the RC-50 is just not ready for > > prime-time. > > > > The fact that I can't simply record a loop freely without a glitch is > > unacceptable (see discussions of the RC-50 glitch). > > > > The lack of feedback is very annoying. > > > > My unit is 16dB louder in the left output than the right. I am > > debating sending it to the manufacturer. > > > > I'd describe myself as "very disappointed" in this unit. > > > > > > On 8/6/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your > >> > compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite > >> your > >> > set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy. Very > >> > practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig. :) > >> > >> Feedback is dangerous if you don't know how close it is to 100% (I > >> always want control of my 8 independent feedback knobs as I tend to go > >> close to 100% from time to time). A looked loop of 90 seconds though > >> definitely would let you go for a pee... > >> > >> In general feedback is always possible with a mixer, but those who > >> demand it in the box probably want it without a mixer. > >> > >> Stefan > >> > >> -- > >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > >> --_____-----------|-------------- > >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 18:35:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9033BEE8; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <00b001c6ba50$42e93e90$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <20060807142930.91797.qmail@web26213.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: saving loops on the repeater X-Unsent: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:35:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C6BA61.05EA19E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:35:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C6BA61.05EA19E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loops stored on the repeater are not saved when you power down, so you = must store them on a card. Either you have recorded them ON the card... = this happens when you turn the loop knob to a number 1, 2 ,3, 4 etc = which DOES NOT have the small tick mark next to it, or you coppy from a = repeater memory location TO a card location. to do this, press COPY and = then turn the TEMPO knob (Its not a TEMPO know now, its a choose copy = location knob) to the CARD location you wish and then press COPY a = second time. HOWEVER there is an issue of WHAT cards you can use and those you can't, = this is a monefield that I wont go into, but the card that came with = your repeater should work... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: rune fagereng=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com ; = repeater-users@yahoogroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: saving loops on the repeater Hi ! I have some problems storing my loops on the repeater. Both on the = repeater and the card. Can some one tell me how to store on the card and on the repeater? best regards Rune F=20 www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C6BA61.05EA19E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Loops stored on the repeater are not saved when you power down, so = you must=20 store them on a card. Either you have recorded them ON the card... this = happens=20 when you turn the loop knob to a number 1, 2 ,3, 4 etc which DOES NOT = have the=20 small tick mark next to it, or you coppy from a repeater memory location = TO a=20 card location. to do this, press COPY and then turn the TEMPO knob (Its = not a=20 TEMPO know now, its a choose copy location knob) to the CARD location = you wish=20 and then press COPY a second time.
 
HOWEVER there is an issue of WHAT cards = you can use=20 and those you can't, this is a monefield that I wont go into, but the = card that=20 came with your repeater should work...
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Hi !
 
I have some problems storing my loops on the repeater. Both on = the=20 repeater and the card.
 
Can some one tell me how to store on the card and on the = repeater?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C6BA61.05EA19E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 18:45:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91A93BEE8; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:45:41 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels In-reply-to: <26ba8d120608071134u2dcac031j4fd7bae876c23a91@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0J3N00H4T5GGO100@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Aca6UDGpv+lO2h2gRkiagMDCYZibEQAALCOw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:45:47 +0000 (UTC) I don't have the L/R level issue, but I find the glitching to make the unit pretty much unusable. My biggest disappointment was first finding out that there was an option to go directly from record to overdub mode (like on the DL-4), and then finding out that, using this option, there was a 1-2 full second gap of unrecorded audio left at the end of the initial loop. Why even include a feature like that if it's not implemented properly? What use could you possibly get out of going straight from record to overdub mode if the transition is not seamless? I sincerely hope that these issues will be addressed in a software update in the immediate future. If the glitching is solved, and phrase feedback is added, the RC-50 would be perfect IMO. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch and LR levels I think the levels have to be some sort of hardware issue. As for the glitch, I hear it every time. It's maddening. On 8/7/06, Richard Sales wrote: > I heard the glitch when trying to loop slower more sustain gtr stuff. > Will check my LR levels. > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 6-Aug-06, at 11:21 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > Let me add my two cents and say that the RC-50 is just not ready for > > prime-time. > > > > The fact that I can't simply record a loop freely without a glitch is > > unacceptable (see discussions of the RC-50 glitch). > > > > The lack of feedback is very annoying. > > > > My unit is 16dB louder in the left output than the right. I am > > debating sending it to the manufacturer. > > > > I'd describe myself as "very disappointed" in this unit. > > > > > > On 8/6/06, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > >> Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> > Ah, but not when you drink free coffee all night (50% of your > >> > compensation, btw), and lest you pee your pants you have to quite > >> your > >> > set 1 minute early....THAT is where feedback comes in handy. Very > >> > practical indeed, not peeing your pants at a looping gig. :) > >> > >> Feedback is dangerous if you don't know how close it is to 100% (I > >> always want control of my 8 independent feedback knobs as I tend to go > >> close to 100% from time to time). A looked loop of 90 seconds though > >> definitely would let you go for a pee... > >> > >> In general feedback is always possible with a mixer, but those who > >> demand it in the box probably want it without a mixer. > >> > >> Stefan > >> > >> -- > >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > >> --_____-----------|-------------- > >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 19:34:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 566E23BEDD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <39989.151.151.21.101.1154979278.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: ElectroHarmonix 2880 for sale! From: kayagum@bitstream.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 [CVS] X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi! I'm new to the list, and I'm looking forward to learning from everyone. I do theater sound design in the Twin Cities, MN, and have used samplers in the last several productions I've worked on live. Anyway.... I hope this isn't too crass for the first post, but I have an Electro Harmonix 2880 for sale. Mint (as in new in the box, never turned on). No foot controller. I just don't have the time and bandwidth to learn this box right now. $400, free shipping to lower 48 US, paypal only. (Street price is $500+) If interested, please email me at kayagum at bitstream dot net Thanks! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 21:46:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D123BEDD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <529.57b464a.32090ea9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:17 EDT Subject: RC-50 glitch/software update rumor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_529.57b464a.32090ea9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:46:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_529.57b464a.32090ea9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i was just speaking to ryan at boss customer support. according to him, there is no definite rc50 software update in the works. they have requested one from japan due to what he said were 2 issues specifically- the "glitch" issue and what he said was a "drifting" issue when using midi sync. perhaps the lack of ability to function as the "slave" in the chain? i've not gotten into that aspect of the unit. somewhere back in the discussion of rc-50 issues, it came up that an update was in the making for sure. does anyone remember how, when that came up? i felt a little foolish when he told me this. though i've now performed with the unit several times and can do the bit of playing through the first beat of the playback to cover the glitch, it's still a pain and from what i can gather here a factor for some people not to even bother with it. john --part1_529.57b464a.32090ea9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was just speaking to ryan at boss cus= tomer support.  according to him, there is no definite rc= 50 software update in the works.  they have requested one from japan d= ue to what he said were 2 issues specifically- the "glitch" issue and what h= e said was a "drifting" issue when using midi sync.  perhaps the lack=20= of ability to function as the "slave" in the chain?  i've not gotten i= nto that aspect of the unit.

somewhere back in the discussion of rc-50 issues, it came up that an update=20= was in the making for sure.  does anyone remember how, when that came=20= up?  i felt a little foolish when he told me this.

though i've now performed with the unit several times and can do the bit of=20= playing through the first beat of the playback to cover the glitch, it's sti= ll a pain and from what i can gather here a factor for some people not to ev= en bother with it.

john
--part1_529.57b464a.32090ea9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 7 22:54:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBD373BED6; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4dmiM/ey6dS/FP+F73o9eqY4el6t1iV5l0uhfs/fJzdA3MLsgJRgTR2TmKjpOt8jog6mZ3dENL4+X7gA/0AA1/TI4nkapk0tZ0cAogr3O+3V73PNPaM8/Z0TqCpuBNElEKo1brqHNSXuytzQSxoTfJMp9WmvuyEu60QuHuBIKnI= ; Message-ID: <20060807225441.19769.qmail@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: FS: Mac G4 Dual 1 gighz processor 1.25 gig RAM 80 gig hd w/digital performer 4.61 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <39989.151.151.21.101.1154979278.squirrel@webmail.iphouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, I'm trying to avoid ebaying this one, but I've got a nice little mac for sale, perfect for running the DAW of your choice (or Digital Performer 4.61 which is installed but does not come with installer discs) It's built in audio looper (POLAR) makes it on topic. It has an Airport wireless card in it and a built in CD/DVD burner. Comes with a keyboard and mouse. It's heavy so I'd rather not ship it so I'm hoping you're in the SF Bay area and can come pick it up. I'm asking $800 obo. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 00:40:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38AD73BED5; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=c/5DpyZoQF8pquo9jew1cFZVjH6XRFOCIXG4nHm7Pyq1F+e5DCrUNO6p2Jm9k1EbdShkKhp/l29wyBje+kWtJS7qi8Q8417/pqgTeKywwBWm81NCp0/+ui//rsgTcFQpxusKHrGEll9qctjN0FpqcKG3imepOLq02pbMgAihszs= Message-ID: <26ba8d120608071740s6af3a77ew781115b638975e40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:40:42 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch/software update rumor In-Reply-To: <529.57b464a.32090ea9@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <529.57b464a.32090ea9@aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 38a7f2daa133de0a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Can we get this guy's number? We should all call him. I for one feel as if I've been ripped off to the tune of $500. On 8/7/06, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > i was just speaking to ryan at boss customer support. according to him, > there is no definite rc50 software update in the works. they have requested > one from japan due to what he said were 2 issues specifically- the "glitch" > issue and what he said was a "drifting" issue when using midi sync. perhaps > the lack of ability to function as the "slave" in the chain? i've not > gotten into that aspect of the unit. > > somewhere back in the discussion of rc-50 issues, it came up that an update > was in the making for sure. does anyone remember how, when that came up? i > felt a little foolish when he told me this. > > though i've now performed with the unit several times and can do the bit of > playing through the first beat of the playback to cover the glitch, it's > still a pain and from what i can gather here a factor for some people not to > even bother with it. > > john > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 01:15:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81E7C3BEDE; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:15:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010a01c6ba88$15fda1e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RC-50 glitch Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:15:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:15:05 +0000 (UTC) I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper. Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running? I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is. Can you advise me what to advise him? yours, rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 01:47:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 627253BED5; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c6ba8c$9aa80c10$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <010a01c6ba88$15fda1e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:47:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:47:31 +0000 (UTC) I haven't found the 'glitch' to be a problem at all - at least for home recording use. When building my initial loops, I don't care if I hear the 'glitch' the first time through. Once the loops are built, I then play over them. I hope that it will eventually get fixed, though, assuming that the problem isn't insurmountable. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: RC-50 glitch >I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper. > > Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running? > > I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is. > > Can you advise me what to advise him? > > yours, rick > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 03:11:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B2C63BECA; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:11:13 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch/software update rumor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bcb.284991e.32095ad1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:11:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bcb.284991e.32095ad1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/7/06 6:40:52 PM, tom@swirly.com writes: > Can we get this guy's number? >=20 the number i had for tech support for boss is 323-890-3700. i spoke with=20 ryan. seems like a nice guy actually. just the messenger of course. On 8/7/06, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > i was just speaking to ryan at boss customer support.=A0 according to him, > there is no definite rc50 software update in the works.=A0 they have=20 requested > one from japan due to what he said were 2 issues specifically- the "glitch= " > issue and what he said was a "drifting" issue when using midi sync.=A0=20 perhaps > the lack of ability to function as the "slave" in the chain?=A0 i've not > gotten into that aspect of the unit. > >=A0 somewhere back in the discussion of rc-50 issues, it came up that an=20 update > was in the making for sure.=A0 does anyone remember how, when that came up= ?=A0=20 i > felt a little foolish when he told me this. > >=A0 though i've now performed with the unit several times and can do the bi= t=20 of > playing through the first beat of the playback to cover the glitch, it's > still a pain and from what i can gather here a factor for some people not=20 to > even bother with it. > >=A0 john john --part1_bcb.284991e.32095ad1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/7/06 6:40:52 PM, tom@swirly.com writes:


Can we get this guy's= number?


the number i had for tech support for boss is 323-890-3700.  i spoke w= ith ryan.  seems like a nice guy actually.  just the messenger o= f course.



On 8/7/06, Jfloridis@aol.com <Jfloridis@aol.com> wrote:
> i was just speaking to ryan at boss customer support.=A0 according to h= im,
> there is no definite rc50 software update in the works.=A0 they have re= quested
> one from japan due to what he said were 2 issues specifically- the "gli= tch"
> issue and what he said was a "drifting" issue when using midi sync.=A0=20= perhaps
> the lack of ability to function as the "slave" in the chain?=A0 i've no= t
> gotten into that aspect of the unit.
>
>=A0 somewhere back in the discussion of rc-50 issues, it came up that an= update
> was in the making for sure.=A0 does anyone remember how, when that came= up?=A0 i
> felt a little foolish when he told me this.
>
>=A0 though i've now performed with the unit several times and can do the= bit of
> playing through the first beat of the playback to cover the glitch, it'= s
> still a pain and from what i can gather here a factor for some people n= ot to
> even bother with it.
>
>=A0 john


john
--part1_bcb.284991e.32095ad1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 03:13:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0F83BED9; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <573.3d9d953.32095b67@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:13:43 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_573.3d9d953.32095b67_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:13:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_573.3d9d953.32095b67_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/7/06 7:15:08 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper. >=20 > Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running? >=20 > I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is. >=20 > Can you advise me what to advise him? >=20 > yours,=A0 rick >=20 >=20 i don't think this would be a good one for a beginer at all. besides the=20 glitch, it would be pretty compicated if you've never tried the process at a= ll. =20 i'm sure there would be plenty of opinions on that from this group......a=20 good beginer's looping foot pedal. i guess i'd maybe recomend the rc-20xl=20= or=20 the newer jamman? john --part1_573.3d9d953.32095b67_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/7/06 7:15:08 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


I have a student who=20= I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper.

Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running?

I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is.

Can you advise me what to advise him?

yours,=A0 rick


i don't think this would be a good one for a beginer at all.  besides=20= the glitch, it would be pretty compicated if you've never tried the process=20= at all.  i'm sure there would be plenty of opinions on that from this=20= group......a good beginer's looping foot pedal.  i guess i'd maybe rec= omend the rc-20xl or the newer jamman?

john
--part1_573.3d9d953.32095b67_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 03:21:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C73B3BEDB; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c6bab2$1b9e6bf0$632cddd8@gtownsen5a5tvf> From: "Gary Townsend" To: Subject: RC-50 latency problems. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:15:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BA77.6E6B2CF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <9cExM.A.Q2F.4MA2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:21:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BA77.6E6B2CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The latency problems I'm encountering with the RC-50 are not the glitch = problem that others seem to call latency. What I'm experiencing is a = slight "behind" effect of the recorded phrases in relation to a = sequencer or drum machine that is slaving to the rc-50 (although the = same effect happens when recording with the guide track). It seems to = happen when the unit is in either record or overdub, and disappears when = in playback. This effect destroys any groove feeling. It's not = much-perhaps 8 to 12 ms- but it's too much for me! I was getting the = same thing with my EDP too, which is one of the reasons I wanted to try = the rc-50. If I run the midi clock through my fadermaster, which has a = midi delay feature, then into the drum machine, and set the midi delay = to about 10 ms it brings things back into the pocket, but then you have = to keep resetting this delay when you want to either record a new loop = or overdub again or it compounds the problem (obviously too complicated = a "work-around" to be useful as the idea is to make looping easier so as = to concentrate on playing music. As far as slaving the unit to the drum machine - it's hopeless. My = old JAMMAN can do it rock solid- why not this rc-50. It's unusable as a = slave. If you don't believe me, try recording the drum track from the = master machine you're trying to sync to, then try to play them in sync. As far as I'm concerned, unless they fix these two problems- = especially the "behindness" or latency in the recording and overdubbing, = this unit is not for those who want to be in sync. And according to the = folks at Roland support, there is no software fix in the works that they = know about- not even one for the dreaded glitch that others seem = concerned about-- which is unfortunate, because there are so many other = great things about this unit. I found the EDP controls too convoluted = for my needs. Too many switches to push just to start a loop.(in sync). Is there a machine out there that can loop in sync- in the pocket- = without some ridiculous new problem to contend with? Very disappointed. Back to the EDP but not happy about that. Maybe = I'll go back to my Lexicon PCM-42 cause at least I can groove with it. = Except that it only has 20 seconds. The Jamman only 32.=20 Shit. I thought I was upgrading, but if you can't stay in sync with = these new units, all the other bells and whistles are just that. Hope this is useful and not too depressing. Gary Townsend looping since tape ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BA77.6E6B2CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The latency problems I'm encountering = with the=20 RC-50 are not the glitch problem that others seem to call latency. What = I'm=20 experiencing is a slight "behind" effect of the recorded phrases in = relation to=20 a sequencer or drum machine that is slaving to the rc-50 (although the = same=20 effect happens when recording with the guide track). It seems to happen = when the=20 unit is in either record or overdub, and disappears when in playback. = This=20 effect destroys any groove feeling. It's not much-perhaps 8 to 12 ms- = but it's=20 too much for me! I was getting the same thing with my EDP too, which is = one of=20 the reasons I wanted to try the rc-50. If I run the midi clock through = my=20 fadermaster, which has a midi delay feature, then into the drum machine, = and set=20 the midi delay to about 10 ms it brings things back into the pocket, but = then=20 you have to keep resetting this delay when you want to either record a = new loop=20 or overdub again or it compounds the problem (obviously too complicated = a=20 "work-around" to be useful as the idea is to make looping easier so as = to=20 concentrate on playing music.
     As far as = slaving the unit=20 to the drum machine - it's hopeless. My old JAMMAN can do it rock solid- = why not=20 this rc-50. It's unusable as a slave. If you don't believe me, try = recording the=20 drum track from the master machine you're trying to sync to, then try to = play=20 them in sync.
     As far as I'm = concerned,=20 unless they fix these two problems- especially the "behindness" or = latency in=20 the recording and overdubbing, this unit is not for those who want to be = in=20 sync. And according to the folks at Roland support, there is no software = fix in=20 the works that they know about- not even one for the dreaded glitch that = others=20 seem concerned about-- which is unfortunate, because there are so many = other=20 great things about this unit. I found the EDP controls too convoluted = for my=20 needs. Too many switches to push just to start a loop.(in = sync).
     Is there a = machine out=20 there that can loop in sync- in the pocket- without some ridiculous new = problem=20 to contend with?
     Very = disappointed. Back to=20 the EDP but not happy about that. Maybe I'll go back to my Lexicon = PCM-42 cause=20 at least I can groove with it. Except that it only has 20 seconds. The = Jamman=20 only 32.
     Shit. I = thought I was=20 upgrading, but if you can't stay in sync with these new units, all the = other=20 bells and whistles are just that.
     Hope this is = useful and=20 not too depressing.
          &nbs= p;          =20 Gary Townsend
          &nbs= p;=20 looping since tape
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BA77.6E6B2CF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 03:27:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CF903BED9; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <4aa.4206e800.32095e94@aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:27:16 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50 latency problems. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4aa.4206e800.32095e94_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 03:27:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_4aa.4206e800.32095e94_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/7/06 9:21:51 PM, gtownsend@aei.ca writes: > What I'm experiencing is a slight "behind" effect of the recorded phrases > in relation to a sequencer or drum machine that is slaving to the rc-50 > perhaps ryan, the guy i spoke with from boss, was refering to this when he said something about a "drifting" issue using midi sync? it was one of the two issues they have been hearing about from consumers. john --part1_4aa.4206e800.32095e94_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/7/06 9:21:51 PM, gtownsend@aei.ca writes:


What I'm experiencing= is a slight "behind" effect of the recorded phrases in relation to a sequen= cer or drum machine that is slaving to the rc-50


perhaps ryan, the guy i spoke with from boss, was refering to this when he s= aid something about a "drifting" issue using midi sync?  it was one of= the two issues they have been hearing about from consumers.

john
--part1_4aa.4206e800.32095e94_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 04:19:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 533DA3BED9; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: d9cb99b0709ed2231007f400aa86671a Received-SPF: pass (buruma.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.2 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.2; envelope-from=tunga.muzik@terra.com.br; helo=OFFICE; Message-ID: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> From: "tunga.muzik" To: References: <4aa.4206e800.32095e94@aol.com> Subject: ...what to go for then? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:19:14 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C6BA88.A97280D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:19:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C6BA88.A97280D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I=B4m also new to this community, been playing guitar for 15 years now = and have been invited by some DJs to perform live with them. Obviously I = need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , but that was = before I read reviews on harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers = delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having 3 phrase = tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I = would have it mainly for live performances, just put it aside for this = moment. RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more phrases are = added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 seconds pressed pedal = waiting time to change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro = enough. Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech JamMan, Boomerang, = Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital = ProPlus got bad reviews. Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so it got cloudy = for me to define what should I buy at this moment, what will give me = condition for a reliable and creative live performance, and also be a = smart option regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue. Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. Peace. TUNGA ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C6BA88.A97280D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
 
I=B4m also new to this community, been = playing guitar=20 for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform live with = them.=20 Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , = but that=20 was before I read reviews on harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, = loopers=20 delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having 3 phrase = tracks, such=20 long recording time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would have it = mainly=20 for live performances, just put it aside for this moment.
 
RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound = quality as=20 more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 seconds = pressed=20 pedal waiting time to change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not = pro=20 enough.
 
Also read a lot about some little = issues on=20 Digitech JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the = Gibson=20 Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews.
 
Sincerely....I got lost in the middle = of=20 everything, so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this = moment,=20 what will give me condition for a reliable and creative live = performance, and=20 also be a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X technology X = quality=20 issue.
 
Counting on your expertise = people....thanks a lot.
 
Peace.
 
TUNGA
------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C6BA88.A97280D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 04:37:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46A003BEDC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rQdItzajwtwabbxKrzooQ2+pevGTULAB7aPqMMUPoWAVxXkpk26AUeK+4i5rGV3NgMw4/6XxsD4qp78pIw60//ndTJvO3nOwgWR9AyLCUM+ERjoGcEmJ+hdiqtq4wpLQhYKRdBJ+5bQThwtN5pb68waxd/b+vIBLYnKuy/gJVLg= ; Message-ID: <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:37:11 +0000 (UTC) One thing I've found over the years is that you'll learn more about people when you read non professional reviews than you learn about the gear... in many cases. Don't worry, someone somewhere will hate everything and they tend to be vocal. >From what I can hear about the RC-50 is that if you're not syncing it to a drum machine it seems like a pretty good box. Not my bag, but I bet good music can be made with it. Am I wrong on this one? I've kind of stopped following the threads after "it doesn't sync well." The talk about the JamMan faded so fast I have no idea what it does... nor do I care. The Lexicon JamMan is still THE JamMan for me. Get one, they're great.... unless you're one of the people who hate it. Bad reviews on the EDP? Again, not my bag but it executes what it does really well. Maybe it is my bag, as I now seem to be very happy with a software emulation of it running from a laptop. I'm sure it's not the same but it does what I ask it to do. I love the Repeater... but it honestly hasn't seen a signal for a month... will it hit my closet? (ebay) Perhaps... My heros seem to have foresaken their hardware gear for laptop versions. Still nothing touches what this sucker does in software or other hardware. Does it have warts? Sure, but show me some gear that doesn't. Looperlative? For sure get a laptop. It's cool, but for the cash you'll be better off with a decent laptop and Mobius. If you're totally anti laptop then this is as good a choice as any. 2880? Haven't hear anything bad about that... except you only get a loop at a time but surely with all those tracks... The thing about your first looper is that it will be like your first girlfriend/boyfriend. You shan't forget them, but they will often tell you many things about what you don't want as well as a few that you can't get enough of. Mark --- "tunga.muzik" wrote: > Hi there, > > I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar > for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs > to perform live with them. Obviously I need a > looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , > but that was before I read reviews on > harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers > delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, > having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording > time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would > have it mainly for live performances, just put it > aside for this moment. > > RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as > more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, > has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to > change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not > pro enough. > > Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech > JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, > etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus > got bad reviews. > > Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, > so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy > at this moment, what will give me condition for a > reliable and creative live performance, and also be > a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X > technology X quality issue. > > Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. > > Peace. > > TUNGA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 04:43:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A6733BED2; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EVPJnpBOB0SkxbPUd8a4HlrlrYYWf11EiTe0G00pbRYvNnBQ7jgVlux+x2+rK9zhj5X6ep+4Oxx0D0UOI3qedDdxa3YcDMJ5Tcwvp+8L+oSkI4c8yQWmhZx8GNvNM1LjPfn/TuCHNSwF9LPSnVaIRRofUlMN9Ve6ymW4L83W1ng= Message-ID: <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:43:43 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: ...what to go for then? In-Reply-To: <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:43:44 +0000 (UTC) good summary mark, i second the lexicon jamman, mainly because i am selling mine, and i believe there are a few others selling theirs :) for a first looper, i'd suggest an RC-20 or maybe rc-20XL, those are nice, and for a lot of people who are kinda interested in looping but not really, i suggest to them the boss DD20 or line 6 DL-4 mainly because if they don't like it, they still have a decent delay pedal (the lexicon jamman has a delay function too!) otherwise, it seems like laptop looping might be the way to go for a lot :) Charlie On 8/7/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > One thing I've found over the years is that you'll > learn more about people when you read non professional > reviews than you learn about the gear... in many > cases. Don't worry, someone somewhere will hate > everything and they tend to be vocal. > > From what I can hear about the RC-50 is that if you're > not syncing it to a drum machine it seems like a > pretty good box. Not my bag, but I bet good music can > be made with it. Am I wrong on this one? I've kind > of stopped following the threads after "it doesn't > sync well." > > The talk about the JamMan faded so fast I have no idea > what it does... nor do I care. The Lexicon JamMan is > still THE JamMan for me. Get one, they're great.... > unless you're one of the people who hate it. > > Bad reviews on the EDP? Again, not my bag but it > executes what it does really well. Maybe it is my > bag, as I now seem to be very happy with a software > emulation of it running from a laptop. I'm sure it's > not the same but it does what I ask it to do. > > I love the Repeater... but it honestly hasn't seen a > signal for a month... will it hit my closet? (ebay) > Perhaps... My heros seem to have foresaken their > hardware gear for laptop versions. Still nothing > touches what this sucker does in software or other > hardware. Does it have warts? Sure, but show me some > gear that doesn't. > > Looperlative? For sure get a laptop. It's cool, but > for the cash you'll be better off with a decent laptop > and Mobius. If you're totally anti laptop then this > is as good a choice as any. > > 2880? Haven't hear anything bad about that... except > you only get a loop at a time but surely with all > those tracks... > > The thing about your first looper is that it will be > like your first girlfriend/boyfriend. You shan't > forget them, but they will often tell you many things > about what you don't want as well as a few that you > can't get enough of. > > Mark > > --- "tunga.muzik" wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > I=B4m also new to this community, been playing guitar > > for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs > > to perform live with them. Obviously I need a > > looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , > > but that was before I read reviews on > > harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers > > delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, > > having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording > > time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would > > have it mainly for live performances, just put it > > aside for this moment. > > > > RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as > > more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, > > has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to > > change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not > > pro enough. > > > > Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech > > JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, > > etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus > > got bad reviews. > > > > Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, > > so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy > > at this moment, what will give me condition for a > > reliable and creative live performance, and also be > > a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X > > technology X quality issue. > > > > Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. > > > > Peace. > > > > TUNGA > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 06:20:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5A0E3BED9; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <8037140732d1ed6f53dabc66cdab5ba5@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:20:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4T0E7B.A.hiB.C1C2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:20:50 +0000 (UTC) I recommend laptop, particularly if they already own one..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > otherwise, it seems like laptop looping might be the way to go for a=20= > lot :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 12:32:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08A0C3BED3; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8846F.6000605@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:32:47 -0400 From: Chaz Worm Reply-To: chaz@earthwormandfire.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Excuse my ignorance References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:32:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm thinking about purchasing an RC-20xl. I'm wondering if I'll be able to play three loops on bass(chorus, bridge, verse) and be able to call them up while I accompany it on another instrument.(banjo). if not, what could I do this on? chaz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 13:38:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F5B3BEC5; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bE9bt4RF5Wc2j3NArMdfuLtrpiGsTtu+FVPFasRkMkDWuskJEpToJHmuYSkd7ob8NT4f0jLoRlYb4YOXB8tJeo749hFg+yWjXJzvZaWdZjT5EYoeaMylhLcy9eWOvwKNZKZeQy4OurzR/m/YkZJODdGFHmZiuXoSL386RhgCLA4= ; Message-ID: <20060808133826.19040.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:38:26 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Re: ...what to go for then? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Good point about the DD20/DL-4. Can't go wrong with those. Over the weekend I plugged my guitar straight into a guitar amp and put the DD20 in it's effect loop and went to town. Lots of fun to be had there. --- Charlie Milkey wrote: > good summary mark, i second the lexicon jamman, > mainly because i am > selling mine, and i believe there are a few others > selling theirs :) > > for a first looper, i'd suggest an RC-20 or maybe > rc-20XL, those are > nice, and for a lot of people who are kinda > interested in looping but > not really, i suggest to them the boss DD20 or line > 6 DL-4 mainly > because if they don't like it, they still have a > decent delay pedal > (the lexicon jamman has a delay function too!) > > otherwise, it seems like laptop looping might be the > way to go for a lot :) > > Charlie > > > On 8/7/06, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > One thing I've found over the years is that > you'll > > learn more about people when you read non > professional > > reviews than you learn about the gear... in many > > cases. Don't worry, someone somewhere will hate > > everything and they tend to be vocal. > > > > From what I can hear about the RC-50 is that if > you're > > not syncing it to a drum machine it seems like a > > pretty good box. Not my bag, but I bet good music > can > > be made with it. Am I wrong on this one? I've > kind > > of stopped following the threads after "it doesn't > > sync well." > > > > The talk about the JamMan faded so fast I have no > idea > > what it does... nor do I care. The Lexicon JamMan > is > > still THE JamMan for me. Get one, they're > great.... > > unless you're one of the people who hate it. > > > > Bad reviews on the EDP? Again, not my bag but it > > executes what it does really well. Maybe it is my > > bag, as I now seem to be very happy with a > software > > emulation of it running from a laptop. I'm sure > it's > > not the same but it does what I ask it to do. > > > > I love the Repeater... but it honestly hasn't seen > a > > signal for a month... will it hit my closet? > (ebay) > > Perhaps... My heros seem to have foresaken their > > hardware gear for laptop versions. Still nothing > > touches what this sucker does in software or other > > hardware. Does it have warts? Sure, but show me > some > > gear that doesn't. > > > > Looperlative? For sure get a laptop. It's cool, > but > > for the cash you'll be better off with a decent > laptop > > and Mobius. If you're totally anti laptop then > this > > is as good a choice as any. > > > > 2880? Haven't hear anything bad about that... > except > > you only get a loop at a time but surely with all > > those tracks... > > > > The thing about your first looper is that it will > be > > like your first girlfriend/boyfriend. You shan't > > forget them, but they will often tell you many > things > > about what you don't want as well as a few that > you > > can't get enough of. > > > > Mark > > > > --- "tunga.muzik" > wrote: > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I´m also new to this community, been playing > guitar > > > for 15 years now and have been invited by some > DJs > > > to perform live with them. Obviously I need a > > > looper, and I was just about to go and get a > RC-50 , > > > but that was before I read reviews on > > > harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers > > > delight, etc.....I was excited about going > stereo, > > > having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording > > > time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would > > > have it mainly for live performances, just put > it > > > aside for this moment. > > > > > > RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality > as > > > more phrases are added onto previous recorded > ones, > > > has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to > > > change recording/dubbing functions......sounds > not > > > pro enough. > > > > > > Also read a lot about some little issues on > Digitech > > > JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, > > > etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital > ProPlus > > > got bad reviews. > > > > > > Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of > everything, > > > so it got cloudy for me to define what should I > buy > > > at this moment, what will give me condition for > a > > > reliable and creative live performance, and also > be > > > a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X > > > technology X quality issue. > > > > > > Counting on your expertise people....thanks a > lot. > > > > > > Peace. > > > > > > TUNGA > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 13:53:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7603BED2; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Fy0Gdul0mCX1Gtlr3Gycof5ymEwEyclBqbYwbGqoxdgmnS0Ml6cp9NuflZazXK/wBm/NN+WBdHWziYag2KEzTtd2Y47YzmKjIaiJ6tzvbZOIV1peBo2r82qXaIixjd868kWKyixqB4wnp0M4PC0WaFYJzhGmcVw7sdN6KWAkNfo= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0608080653x3e9ee080k421f6fc401bbe316@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:53:54 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? In-Reply-To: <8037140732d1ed6f53dabc66cdab5ba5@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5319_18278789.1155045234765" References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <8037140732d1ed6f53dabc66cdab5ba5@pfmentum.com> Resent-Message-ID: <53otr.A.o_E.0dJ2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:53:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5319_18278789.1155045234765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What is laptop looping? I'm currently using an Akai Headrush and I'm very curious. 2006/8/8, Jeff Kaiser : > > I recommend laptop, particularly if they already own one..... > > > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com > > > On Aug 7, 2006, at 9:43 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > otherwise, it seems like laptop looping might be the way to go for a > > lot :) > > --=20 kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_5319_18278789.1155045234765 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What is laptop looping?
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http://home.c= omcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_5319_18278789.1155045234765-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:03:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 471083BEDA; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02e701c6baf3$6f8e16c0$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Re: ...what to go for then? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:03:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Going to the laptop aside, I'm surprised no one suggested picking up a used Boomerang. That was my first looper...served me well, with reverse, half speed, A/B loops, nice big durable buttons that you can stomp on, a volume that you can control with your foot. I thought it was a decent machine...accept that it wasn't the quietest unit in town. If I were looking into a fist looper, I might even wait for one of the new Boomerang units. It just seems like the Boomerang is a great road-worthy box. I've seen a lot of touring bands with them when them come into town. Moreover, I'm with Jeff...if you already have a laptop, I'd go with that, but it with the accessories you'll need to get the system connected and working it may cost more than buying a Jamman or RC-20. Mobius if free. A decent sound card will run $150-$300. A MIDI interface another $50-$100 (unless it is included with the audio interface, like the M-Audio firewire unit), and then a MIDI foot controller for $100-$300. So, if you already have a laptop, it could cost between $300 and $700 to get looping with your notebook, depending on the quality if soundcard/audio/MIDI interface and MIDI controller. If you go other cheaper route, then it is close to a wash whether you just buy an inexpensive hardware looper, but you get just a fraction of the features and functionality of Mobius...that is an important factor. If you go the expensive route, which you may end up going to anyway, then the simple hardware setup is the economical choice...but again, the features, the feature, the features. Just look what you get with a program like Mobius. For all practical purposes, it is doing everything that my Looperlative and two EDPs did....both outstanding units, but doomed to obscelesence in my world of technology. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 10:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: ...what to go for then? good summary mark, i second the lexicon jamman, mainly because i am selling mine, and i believe there are a few others selling theirs :) for a first looper, i'd suggest an RC-20 or maybe rc-20XL, those are nice, and for a lot of people who are kinda interested in looping but not really, i suggest to them the boss DD20 or line 6 DL-4 mainly because if they don't like it, they still have a decent delay pedal (the lexicon jamman has a delay function too!) otherwise, it seems like laptop looping might be the way to go for a lot :) Charlie On 8/7/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > One thing I've found over the years is that you'll > learn more about people when you read non professional > reviews than you learn about the gear... in many > cases. Don't worry, someone somewhere will hate > everything and they tend to be vocal. > > From what I can hear about the RC-50 is that if you're > not syncing it to a drum machine it seems like a > pretty good box. Not my bag, but I bet good music can > be made with it. Am I wrong on this one? I've kind > of stopped following the threads after "it doesn't > sync well." > > The talk about the JamMan faded so fast I have no idea > what it does... nor do I care. The Lexicon JamMan is > still THE JamMan for me. Get one, they're great.... > unless you're one of the people who hate it. > > Bad reviews on the EDP? Again, not my bag but it > executes what it does really well. Maybe it is my > bag, as I now seem to be very happy with a software > emulation of it running from a laptop. I'm sure it's > not the same but it does what I ask it to do. > > I love the Repeater... but it honestly hasn't seen a > signal for a month... will it hit my closet? (ebay) > Perhaps... My heros seem to have foresaken their > hardware gear for laptop versions. Still nothing > touches what this sucker does in software or other > hardware. Does it have warts? Sure, but show me some > gear that doesn't. > > Looperlative? For sure get a laptop. It's cool, but > for the cash you'll be better off with a decent laptop > and Mobius. If you're totally anti laptop then this > is as good a choice as any. > > 2880? Haven't hear anything bad about that... except > you only get a loop at a time but surely with all > those tracks... > > The thing about your first looper is that it will be > like your first girlfriend/boyfriend. You shan't > forget them, but they will often tell you many things > about what you don't want as well as a few that you > can't get enough of. > > Mark > > --- "tunga.muzik" wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar > > for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs > > to perform live with them. Obviously I need a > > looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , > > but that was before I read reviews on > > harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers > > delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, > > having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording > > time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would > > have it mainly for live performances, just put it > > aside for this moment. > > > > RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as > > more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, > > has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to > > change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not > > pro enough. > > > > Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech > > JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, > > etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus > > got bad reviews. > > > > Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, > > so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy > > at this moment, what will give me condition for a > > reliable and creative live performance, and also be > > a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X > > technology X quality issue. > > > > Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. > > > > Peace. > > > > TUNGA > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:16:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C80C3BEDD; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:16:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:16:55 +0000 (UTC) I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term money is in services. How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates to time or rework, which again equates to money. So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free VST effects, all ready to work. The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could customize it after that point. It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more packages, etc. Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time to do this. ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:19:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45DE73BEDA; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:18:54 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? To: "tunga.muzik" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009b01c6baf5$d70f5d20$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AUR7M6SMDQlZ/ywNbsUdaw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> Resent-Message-ID: <2Ub41C.A.Q1F.l1J2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:19:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_AUR7M6SMDQlZ/ywNbsUdaw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey community- Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper and a long = delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio loops, can start, stop, = restsart and/or continue on command, and can "undo" one or more levels = of looping. A long delay won't do these things, but will have a feedback = function so loops can fade away as new material is added. Any more = differentiating features? I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, Boss DD-20! = Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it doesn't do those "looper" = things mentioned above) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tunga.muzik=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: ...what to go for then? Hi there, I=B4m also new to this community, been playing guitar for 15 years now = and have been invited by some DJs to perform live with them. Obviously I = need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , but that was = before I read reviews on harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers = delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having 3 phrase = tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I = would have it mainly for live performances, just put it aside for this = moment. RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more phrases are = added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 seconds pressed pedal = waiting time to change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro = enough. Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech JamMan, = Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex = Digital ProPlus got bad reviews. Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so it got cloudy = for me to define what should I buy at this moment, what will give me = condition for a reliable and creative live performance, and also be a = smart option regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue. Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. Peace. TUNGA= --Boundary_(ID_AUR7M6SMDQlZ/ywNbsUdaw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hey community-
    Have we ever discussed the = difference=20 between a looper and a long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few = audio=20 loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or continue on command, = and can=20 "undo" one or more levels of looping. A long delay won't do these = things, but=20 will have a feedback function so loops can fade away as new material is = added.=20 Any more differentiating features?
    I ask this because I'm reading = this thread,=20 thinking, Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it = doesn't=20 do those "looper" things mentioned above)
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
<= /DIV>
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You don't have = to come=20 down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 tunga.muzik
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 = 12:19=20 AM
Subject: ...what to go for = then?

Hi there,
 
I=B4m also new to this community, = been playing=20 guitar for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform = live with=20 them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a = RC-50 ,=20 but that was before I read reviews on harmony-central, = musiciansfriend.com,=20 loopers delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having 3 = phrase=20 tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I = would=20 have it mainly for live performances, just put it aside for this=20 moment.
 
RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade = sound quality=20 as more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 = seconds=20 pressed pedal waiting time to change recording/dubbing = functions......sounds=20 not pro enough.
 
Also read a lot about some little = issues on=20 Digitech JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the = Gibson=20 Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews.
 
Sincerely....I got lost in the middle = of=20 everything, so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy at = this=20 moment, what will give me condition for a reliable and creative live=20 performance, and also be a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X = technology X quality issue.
 
Counting on your expertise=20 people....thanks a = lot.
 
Peace.
 
TUNGA
--Boundary_(ID_AUR7M6SMDQlZ/ywNbsUdaw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:42:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DB553BED6; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:41:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Krispen, I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if it is even feasible to offer such a package? >I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is >becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological >products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, >and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term >money is in services. > >How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a >great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if >someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". >Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is >that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying >all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. >These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. >And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop >system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because >of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates >to time or rework, which again equates to money. > >So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that >someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and >then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different >types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might >include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius >installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI >Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass >package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external >firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better >yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free >VST effects, all ready to work. > >The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the >expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble >that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper >interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of >these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work >immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to >Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could >customize it after that point. > >It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the >time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping >packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more >packages, etc. > >Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand >over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually >buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some >sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something >like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, >this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or >the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time >to do this. > >************************************************************************** >Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90D53BEDC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8A366.60105@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:44:54 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0632-0, 08/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <40LMvC.A.r-G.9NK2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:45:18 +0000 (UTC) That would be a great idea! You could list your items on ebay with a description that says something like "Better than the Boss RC-50!," and include some video clips of you looping with a laptop system. Then, if you could put together a quick-start manual that describes how to use the system as a whole and included some basic e-mail support, you could make a killing! If I had the cash, I'd be all over it. I wonder, though, if there's enough of a market looking for pre-fab packages that would cost upward of $1000 to make it worth your time? And what about beginners who already own laptops? When I started looking around a loopers for the first time (not long ago), I was looking at the RC-50, but wasn't convinced. I figured I already owned a laptop, so that was the way to go. If I didn't own a laptop already, the price alone would have been enough to steer me back to the Boss unit or a Boomerang or something similar. Perhaps some low-level consulting would be a nice addition to this business model so you could hear the customer's vision and current gear and say "no, I don't think your laptop's up to par as-is, but I could sell you more RAM, a firewire audio card, and your choice of MIDI controllers and you'd be able to do exactly what you're describing." You could then put together a custom package for the individual customer. Just a thought... --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is > becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological > products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, > and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term > money is in services. > > How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a great > marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if someone had > the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". Part of the > problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is that it can be > painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying all the gear to > connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. These things take > time for the looping consumer, and time is money. And there are risks > that come along with building your own laptop system, such as teh > overall system not working as expected because of hardware/software > compatibility, and so on. And this too equates to time or rework, > which again equates to money. > > So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that > someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and > then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different > types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might > include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius > installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI > Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass > package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external > firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better > yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free VST > effects, all ready to work. > > The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the > expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble that > works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper interested in > getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of these package, > turn it on, and it would essentially work immediately, everthing down > to the Behringer buttons mapped to Mobius functions, buttons labeled, > etc. Then of course, I could customize it after that point. > > It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the > time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping packages > and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more packages, etc. > > Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand over > fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually buying > products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some sort, and > selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something like this > when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, this sort > of answers the question...the value is in the service or the > convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time to do > this. > > ************************************************************************** > > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:51:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 007CA3BEDC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: babac307815d050518d11e66415efac7 Received-SPF: pass (cosmoledo.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.14 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.14; envelope-from=tunga.muzik@terra.com.br; helo=OFFICE; Message-ID: <002b01c6bafa$1ee6f280$8386000a@OFFICE> From: "tunga.muzik" To: References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <009b01c6baf5$d70f5d20$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:51:24 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C6BAE0.F930E690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:51:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C6BAE0.F930E690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=B4m going with the individual items idea. I really ain=B4t got the = time to try a laptop system, although that sure might have its = highlights.=20 The purpose of question at first was really to have info from you guys = who own or have owned and performed live with models like RC-20, = RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the standard units, cause = I=B4ll probably go for one of these. Also, it=B4d be so cool learning = with you people who have performed with a DJ, in a "live" experience. = That would really make clear which features can not fail, or must be = reliable at all. See, at this point it=B4s about getting the coolest/best individual = unit, so that I can perform a very reliable/creative gig with the DJ = community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go for the = RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it=B4s not all about = saving a few bucks. Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn=B4t consider using them as a = looper unit, as I think it=B4d be a limited choice for a serious looper. = Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or past owners, = what about the features, sound quality, ease of use of each one, which = is the best? Thanks again. Peace. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: tunga.muzik ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Hey community- Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper and a long = delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio loops, can start, stop, = restsart and/or continue on command, and can "undo" one or more levels = of looping. A long delay won't do these things, but will have a feedback = function so loops can fade away as new material is added. Any more = differentiating features? I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, Boss DD-20! = Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it doesn't do those "looper" = things mentioned above) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tunga.muzik=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: ...what to go for then? Hi there, I=B4m also new to this community, been playing guitar for 15 years = now and have been invited by some DJs to perform live with them. = Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , = but that was before I read reviews on harmony-central, = musiciansfriend.com, loopers delight, etc.....I was excited about going = stereo, having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, = bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live performances, just = put it aside for this moment. RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more phrases are = added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 seconds pressed pedal = waiting time to change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro = enough. Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech JamMan, = Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex = Digital ProPlus got bad reviews. Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so it got = cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this moment, what will give = me condition for a reliable and creative live performance, and also be a = smart option regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue. Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. Peace. TUNGA -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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I=B4m going with the individual items = idea. I really=20 ain=B4t got the time to try a laptop system, although that sure might = have its=20 highlights.
 
The purpose of  question at first = was really=20 to have info from you guys who own or have owned and performed = live with=20 models like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the = standard=20 units, cause I=B4ll probably go for one of these. Also, it=B4d be so = cool learning=20 with you people who have performed with a DJ, in a "live" experience. = That would=20 really make clear which features can not fail, or must be reliable at=20 all.
 
See, at this point it=B4s about getting = the=20 coolest/best individual unit, so that I can perform a very = reliable/creative gig=20 with the DJ community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go = for the=20 RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it=B4s not all about = saving a few=20 bucks.
 
Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I = wouldn=B4t consider=20 using them as a looper unit, as I think it=B4d be a limited choice for a = serious=20 looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or = past=20 owners, what about the features, sound quality, ease of use of each = one,=20 which is the best?
 
Thanks again.
 
Peace.
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas=20 Baldwin
To: tunga.muzik ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: ...what to go for=20 then?

Hey community-
    Have we ever discussed the = difference=20 between a looper and a long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few = audio=20 loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or continue on command, = and can=20 "undo" one or more levels of looping. A long delay won't do these = things, but=20 will have a feedback function so loops can fade away as new material = is added.=20 Any more differentiating features?
    I ask this because I'm reading = this=20 thread, thinking, Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! = (except=20 it doesn't do those "looper" things mentioned above)
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
<= /DIV>
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You don't = have to come=20 down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 tunga.muzik
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, = 2006 12:19=20 AM
Subject: ...what to go for = then?

Hi there,
 
I=B4m also new to this community, = been playing=20 guitar for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform = live=20 with them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to go and = get a=20 RC-50 , but that was before I read reviews on harmony-central,=20 musiciansfriend.com, loopers delight, etc.....I was excited about = going=20 stereo, having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording time......bla, = bla,=20 bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live performances, = just put=20 it aside for this moment.
 
RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade = sound quality=20 as more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 = seconds=20 pressed pedal waiting time to change recording/dubbing = functions......sounds=20 not pro enough.
 
Also read a lot about some little = issues on=20 Digitech JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even = the Gibson=20 Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews.
 
Sincerely....I got lost in the = middle of=20 everything, so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy at = this=20 moment, what will give me condition for a reliable and creative live = performance, and also be a smart option regarding the cost X benefit = X=20 technology X quality issue.
 
Counting on your expertise=20 people....thanks a = lot.
 
Peace.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C6BAE0.F930E690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 14:52:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F4E3BECD; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8A529.8000507@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:52:25 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? References: <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080706020002000806030504" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0632-0, 08/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:52:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080706020002000806030504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Indeed. The beauty about dating Mobius is that if there's something you wish you could change about her, you can just ask her dad, and a lot of the time he will beat her into submission... --Josh >The thing about your first looper is that it will be like your first girlfriend/boyfriend. You shan't forget them, but they will often tell you many things about what you don't want as well as a few that you can't get enough of. Wow... mark sottilaro wrote: > One thing I've found over the years is that you'll > learn more about people when you read non professional > reviews than you learn about the gear... in many > cases. Don't worry, someone somewhere will hate > everything and they tend to be vocal. > > >From what I can hear about the RC-50 is that if you're > not syncing it to a drum machine it seems like a > pretty good box. Not my bag, but I bet good music can > be made with it. Am I wrong on this one? I've kind > of stopped following the threads after "it doesn't > sync well." > > The talk about the JamMan faded so fast I have no idea > what it does... nor do I care. The Lexicon JamMan is > still THE JamMan for me. Get one, they're great.... > unless you're one of the people who hate it. > > Bad reviews on the EDP? Again, not my bag but it > executes what it does really well. Maybe it is my > bag, as I now seem to be very happy with a software > emulation of it running from a laptop. I'm sure it's > not the same but it does what I ask it to do. > > I love the Repeater... but it honestly hasn't seen a > signal for a month... will it hit my closet? (ebay) > Perhaps... My heros seem to have foresaken their > hardware gear for laptop versions. Still nothing > touches what this sucker does in software or other > hardware. Does it have warts? Sure, but show me some > gear that doesn't. > > Looperlative? For sure get a laptop. It's cool, but > for the cash you'll be better off with a decent laptop > and Mobius. If you're totally anti laptop then this > is as good a choice as any. > > 2880? Haven't hear anything bad about that... except > you only get a loop at a time but surely with all > those tracks... > > The thing about your first looper is that it will be > like your first girlfriend/boyfriend. You shan't > forget them, but they will often tell you many things > about what you don't want as well as a few that you > can't get enough of. > > Mark > > --- "tunga.muzik" wrote: > > >> Hi there, >> >> I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar >> for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs >> to perform live with them. Obviously I need a >> looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , >> but that was before I read reviews on >> harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers >> delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, >> having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording >> time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would >> have it mainly for live performances, just put it >> aside for this moment. >> >> RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as >> more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, >> has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to >> change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not >> pro enough. >> >> Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech >> JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, >> etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus >> got bad reviews. >> >> Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, >> so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy >> at this moment, what will give me condition for a >> reliable and creative live performance, and also be >> a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X >> technology X quality issue. >> >> Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. >> >> Peace. >> >> TUNGA >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------080706020002000806030504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indeed.  The beauty about dating Mobius is that if there's something you wish you could change about her, you can just ask her dad, and a lot of the time he will beat her into submission...

--Josh

>The thing about your first looper is that it will be
like your first girlfriend/boyfriend.  You shan't
forget them, but they will often tell you many things
about what you don't want as well as a few that you
can't get enough of.


Wow...  

mark sottilaro wrote:
One thing I've found over the years is that  you'll
learn more about people when you read non professional
reviews than you learn about the gear... in many
cases.  Don't worry, someone somewhere will hate
everything and they tend to be vocal.

>From what I can hear about the RC-50 is that if you're
not syncing it to a drum machine it seems like a
pretty good box.  Not my bag, but I bet good music can
be made with it.  Am I wrong on this one?  I've kind
of stopped following the threads after "it doesn't
sync well."

The talk about the JamMan faded so fast I have no idea
what it does... nor do I care.  The Lexicon JamMan is
still THE JamMan for me.  Get one, they're great....
unless you're one of the people who hate it.

Bad reviews on the EDP?  Again, not my bag but it
executes what it does really well.  Maybe it is my
bag, as I now seem to be very happy with a software
emulation of it running from a laptop.  I'm sure it's
not the same but it does what I ask it to do.

I love the Repeater... but it honestly hasn't seen a
signal for a month... will it hit my closet? (ebay)
Perhaps...  My heros seem to have foresaken their
hardware gear for laptop versions.  Still nothing
touches what this sucker does in software or other
hardware.  Does it have warts?  Sure, but show me some
gear that doesn't.

Looperlative?  For sure get a laptop.  It's cool, but
for the cash you'll be better off with a decent laptop
and Mobius.  If you're totally anti laptop then this
is as good a choice as any.

2880?  Haven't hear anything bad about that... except
you only get a loop at a time but surely with all
those tracks...

The thing about your first looper is that it will be
like your first girlfriend/boyfriend.  You shan't
forget them, but they will often tell you many things
about what you don't want as well as a few that you
can't get enough of.

Mark

--- "tunga.muzik" <tunga.muzik@terra.com.br> wrote:

  
Hi there,

I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar
for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs
to perform live with them. Obviously I need a
looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 ,
but that was before I read reviews on
harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers
delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo,
having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording
time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would
have it mainly for live performances, just put it
aside for this moment.

RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as
more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones,
has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to
change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not
pro enough.

Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech
JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880,
etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus
got bad reviews.

Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything,
so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy
at this moment, what will give me condition for a
reliable and creative live performance, and also be
a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X
technology X quality issue.

Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot.

Peace.

TUNGA
    


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--------------080706020002000806030504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:06:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61D4C3BEE1; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8A86B.2000706@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:06:19 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <009b01c6baf5$d70f5d20$9715be18@oemcomputer> <002b01c6bafa$1ee6f280$8386000a@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <002b01c6bafa$1ee6f280$8386000a@OFFICE> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060406000706010201000609" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0632-0, 08/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:06:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060406000706010201000609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, what do you want to do? Are you playing an instrument, singing, beatboxing? Is it important for you to be able to have seperate loops for verse/chorus type structures or to overdub longer phrases overtop of shorter ones? Do you need to be able to control volumes of seperate loops simultaneously? --Josh tunga.muzik wrote: > I´m going with the individual items idea. I really ain´t got the time > to try a laptop system, although that sure might have its highlights. > > The purpose of question at first was really _to have info from you > guys who own or have owned and performed live_ with models like RC-20, > RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the standard units, cause > I´ll probably go for one of these. Also, it´d be so cool learning with > you people who have performed with a DJ, in a "live" experience. That > would really make clear which features can not fail, or must be > reliable at all. > > See, at this point it´s about getting the coolest/best individual > unit, so that I can perform a very reliable/creative gig with the DJ > community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go for the > RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it´s not all about > saving a few bucks. > > Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn´t consider using them as a > looper unit, as I think it´d be a limited choice for a serious looper. > Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or past owners, > what about the features, sound quality, ease of use of each one, which > is the best? > > Thanks again. > > Peace. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Douglas Baldwin > *To:* tunga.muzik ; > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM > *Subject:* Re: ...what to go for then? > > Hey community- > Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper and a > long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio loops, can > start, stop, restsart and/or continue on command, and can "undo" > one or more levels of looping. A long delay won't do these things, > but will have a feedback function so loops can fade away as new > material is added. Any more differentiating features? > I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, Boss > DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it doesn't do > those "looper" things mentioned above) > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "Life! Life! > Clouds and clowns! > You don't have to come down!" > - Sly and the Family Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* tunga.muzik > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM > *Subject:* ...what to go for then? > > Hi there, > > I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar for 15 > years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform live > with them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to > go and get a RC-50 , but that was before I read reviews on > harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers delight, > etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having 3 phrase > tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, > bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live > performances, just put it aside for this moment. > > RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more > phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 > seconds pressed pedal waiting time to change recording/dubbing > functions......sounds not pro enough. > > Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech JamMan, > Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the Gibson > Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews. > > Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so it got > cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this moment, what > will give me condition for a reliable and creative live > performance, and also be a smart option regarding the cost X > benefit X technology X quality issue. > > Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. > > Peace. > > TUNGA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > 7/8/2006 > --------------060406000706010201000609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, what do you want to do?  Are you playing an instrument, singing, beatboxing?  Is it important for you to be able to have seperate loops for verse/chorus type structures or to overdub longer phrases overtop of shorter ones?  Do you need to be able to control volumes of seperate loops simultaneously?

--Josh



tunga.muzik wrote:
I´m going with the individual items idea. I really ain´t got the time to try a laptop system, although that sure might have its highlights.
 
The purpose of  question at first was really to have info from you guys who own or have owned and performed live with models like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the standard units, cause I´ll probably go for one of these. Also, it´d be so cool learning with you people who have performed with a DJ, in a "live" experience. That would really make clear which features can not fail, or must be reliable at all.
 
See, at this point it´s about getting the coolest/best individual unit, so that I can perform a very reliable/creative gig with the DJ community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go for the RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it´s not all about saving a few bucks.
 
Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn´t consider using them as a looper unit, as I think it´d be a limited choice for a serious looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or past owners, what about the features, sound quality, ease of use of each one, which is the best?
 
Thanks again.
 
Peace.
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: ...what to go for then?

Hey community-
    Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper and a long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or continue on command, and can "undo" one or more levels of looping. A long delay won't do these things, but will have a feedback function so loops can fade away as new material is added. Any more differentiating features?
    I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it doesn't do those "looper" things mentioned above)
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You don't have to come down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM
Subject: ...what to go for then?

Hi there,
 
I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform live with them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , but that was before I read reviews on harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live performances, just put it aside for this moment.
 
RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro enough.
 
Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews.
 
Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this moment, what will give me condition for a reliable and creative live performance, and also be a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue.
 
Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot.
 
Peace.
 
TUNGA


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--------------060406000706010201000609-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:07:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73BFA3BEE8; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:07:18 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: "tunga.muzik" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Message-ID: <044C45505F0AA43150348433@[192.168.1.104]> In-Reply-To: <002b01c6bafa$1ee6f280$8386000a@OFFICE> References: <002b01c6bafa$1ee6f280$8386000a@OFFICE> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:07:31 +0000 (UTC) > The purpose of question at first was really to have info from you guys > who own or have owned and performed live with models like RC-20, RC-20XL, > JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the standard units, cause I=B4ll > probably go for one of these. There is a wealth of knowledge in the archives of this list regarding these = loopers. Like all products, each is a little different. Some things about = them you will like and others you won't. No matter what device you get,=20 you will wish it does at least one more thing that it doesn't currently do. = No matter which device you get, you will learn to use it to its limits. My recommendation is start small and move up as you gain experience. Of=20 those listed above, I prefer the JamMan, but that is my personal=20 preference. The JamMan has MIDI sync capabilities which can be important=20 if you decide you'd like to expand by adding additional boxes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:16:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9483BEE4; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: dc109659a375e1b77fe52ec466d65ee5 Received-SPF: pass (tacamaca.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=tunga.muzik@terra.com.br; helo=OFFICE; Message-ID: <006801c6bafd$a0b27520$8386000a@OFFICE> From: "tunga.muzik" To: References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <009b01c6baf5$d70f5d20$9715be18@oemcomputer><002b01c6bafa$1ee6f280$8386000a@OFFICE> <44D8A86B.2000706@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:16:30 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01C6BAE4.7B29BAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:16:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C6BAE4.7B29BAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, what do you want to do? - Mostly to be able to loop in sync to what a Dj is playing. Are you playing an instrument, singing, beatboxing?=20 - Yes, I=B4d be playing guitars, bass guitar and singing. Is it important for you to be able to have seperate loops for = verse/chorus type structures or to overdub longer phrases overtop of = shorter ones? - Yes this is very important. Do you need to be able to control volumes of seperate loops = simultaneously? - Not so important at first, but really cool. Also, it=B4d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I know, the RC-50 is = the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not a choice now. All others = I guess would cost me double to do so. --Josh tunga.muzik wrote:=20 I=B4m going with the individual items idea. I really ain=B4t got the = time to try a laptop system, although that sure might have its = highlights.=20 The purpose of question at first was really to have info from you = guys who own or have owned and performed live with models like RC-20, = RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the standard units, cause = I=B4ll probably go for one of these. Also, it=B4d be so cool learning = with you people who have performed with a DJ, in a "live" experience. = That would really make clear which features can not fail, or must be = reliable at all. See, at this point it=B4s about getting the coolest/best individual = unit, so that I can perform a very reliable/creative gig with the DJ = community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go for the = RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it=B4s not all about = saving a few bucks. Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn=B4t consider using them as = a looper unit, as I think it=B4d be a limited choice for a serious = looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or past = owners, what about the features, sound quality, ease of use of each one, = which is the best? Thanks again. Peace. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: tunga.muzik ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Hey community- Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper and a = long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio loops, can start, = stop, restsart and/or continue on command, and can "undo" one or more = levels of looping. A long delay won't do these things, but will have a = feedback function so loops can fade away as new material is added. Any = more differentiating features? I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, Boss = DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it doesn't do those = "looper" things mentioned above) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone ----- Original Message -----=20 From: tunga.muzik=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: ...what to go for then? Hi there, I=B4m also new to this community, been playing guitar for 15 = years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform live with them. = Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , = but that was before I read reviews on harmony-central, = musiciansfriend.com, loopers delight, etc.....I was excited about going = stereo, having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, = bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live performances, just = put it aside for this moment. RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more phrases = are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 seconds pressed pedal = waiting time to change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro = enough. Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech JamMan, = Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex = Digital ProPlus got bad reviews. Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so it got = cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this moment, what will give = me condition for a reliable and creative live performance, and also be a = smart option regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue. Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. Peace. TUNGA -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: = 7/8/2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Well, what do you want to do?
- Mostly to be able to loop in sync to = what a Dj is=20 playing.
 
Are you playing an instrument, singing, beatboxing? 
- Yes, I=B4d be playing guitars, bass = guitar and=20 singing.
 
Is it important for you to be able to have seperate loops for = verse/chorus=20 type structures or to overdub longer phrases overtop of shorter = ones?
- Yes this is very important.
 
Do you need to be able to control volumes of seperate loops=20 simultaneously?
- Not so important at first, but really cool.
 
Also, it=B4d be cool to go stereo, but = as far as I=20 know, the RC-50 is the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not a = choice now.=20 All others I guess would cost me double to do=20 so.

--Josh



tunga.muzik wrote:
I=B4m going with the individual = items idea. I=20 really ain=B4t got the time to try a laptop system, although that = sure might=20 have its highlights.
 
The purpose of  question at = first was=20 really to have info from you guys who own or have owned and = performed=20 live with models like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai=20 Headrush....the standard units, cause I=B4ll probably go for one of = these.=20 Also, it=B4d be so cool learning with you people who have performed = with a DJ,=20 in a "live" experience. That would really make clear which features = can not=20 fail, or must be reliable at all.
 
See, at this point it=B4s about = getting the=20 coolest/best individual unit, so that I can perform a very = reliable/creative=20 gig with the DJ community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I = would go=20 for the RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it=B4s not all = about=20 saving a few bucks.
 
Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I = wouldn=B4t=20 consider using them as a looper unit, as I think it=B4d be a limited = choice=20 for a serious looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, again = from you=20 actual or past owners, what about the features, sound quality, ease = of=20 use of each one, which is the best?
 
Thanks again.
 
Peace.
 
 
 
 
 
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Douglas Baldwin To:=20 tunga.muzik ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 Sent:=20 Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM Subject:=20 Re: ...what to go for then?

Hey community-
    Have we ever discussed the = difference=20 between a looper and a long delay? Methinks a looper can store a = few audio=20 loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or continue on = command, and=20 can "undo" one or more levels of looping. A long delay won't do = these=20 things, but will have a feedback function so loops can fade away = as new=20 material is added. Any more differentiating features?
    I ask this because I'm = reading this=20 thread, thinking, Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great = looper!=20 (except it doesn't do those "looper" things mentioned = above)
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
<= /DIV>
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You = don't have to=20 come down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 tunga.muzik
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 Sent:=20 Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM Subject:=20 ...what to go for then?

Hi there,
 
I=B4m also new to this = community, been=20 playing guitar for 15 years now and have been invited by some = DJs to=20 perform live with them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was = just about=20 to go and get a RC-50 , but that was before I read reviews on=20 harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers delight, etc.....I = was=20 excited about going stereo, having 3 phrase tracks, such long = recording=20 time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would have it mainly = for live=20 performances, just put it aside for this moment.
 
RC-20XL is mono, seems to = degrade sound=20 quality as more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, = has the 2=20 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to change recording/dubbing=20 functions......sounds not pro enough.
 
Also read a lot about some = little issues on=20 Digitech JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, = etc.......even the=20 Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews.
 
Sincerely....I got lost in the = middle of=20 everything, so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy = at this=20 moment, what will give me condition for a reliable and creative = live=20 performance, and also be a smart option regarding the cost X = benefit X=20 technology X quality issue.
 
Counting on your expertise=20 people....thanks a = lot.
 
Peace.
 
TUNGA


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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C6BAE4.7B29BAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:27:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFCC03BEDB; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031801c6baff$33183890$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:27:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0315_01C6BACC.E78F70F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <72u4TD.A.Gt.11K2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:27:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0315_01C6BACC.E78F70F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If that were the case, then it would be a no brainer, and we wouldn't = have so many people asking how they can start looping with thier = laptops. They obviosly don't have all the accessories together to start = looping immediately. This pakage concept is, theortically at this = point, for folks who don't own laptops already, or who will be willing = to upgrade to a new one that is in the package. I suppose there could be = an accessory package too...everything but the laptop (e.g., Indigo IO = card, Behringer, USB MIDI connector, Mobius files with configuration = already mapped to the Behringer, etc). It is not always the case the the interfaces used for laptop looping = will be used for other applications. For instance, I use my laptop for = nothing but looping and effect processing. I have another laptop for = sound editing, graphics, etc. I bought the FCB to conroll Mobius...what = else am I going to use it for? I bought the sound card specifically for = looping. I could have easily used the stock sound-card for other = applications and it would have been fine...and so on. My accessories = were specifically purchased for looping, and doing it efficiently and to = function efficiently as a system rather than a hodge podge of devices = that may or may not play well together. A starter package might include the following: - Hewlett-Packard Pavilion Notebook with Intel=AE Celeron=AE M Processor = 410 (http://tinyurl.com/pbm47) - $750 - Echo Indigo IO cardbus sound card (http://tinyurl.com/qs87o) - $178 - AudioTrak MIDI Mate MIDI to USB connector (http://tinyurl.com/fmvn2) - = $40 - Behringer FCB (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCB1010) - $150 Product Sub TOTAL: $ 1118 Setup, Installation, Configuration, Testing: $180 (rough estimate based = on 3 hours of work and an hourly consulting/technical fee of $60 per = hour) TOTAL PACKAGE: $1298 It's just a rought estimate, of course. The Setup, Installation, = etc...would go down as more systems are built. Some folks might say, why = would I pay $180 when I can do that myself? Well, the answer is that if = that were the case, then you are not the target market for the package. = This is for folks who want to buy a system and have it work right out of = the box. And of course, the system would come completely setup, configured, and = ready to loop. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" > Krispen, >=20 > I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you=20 > already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get=20 > it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is=20 > it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a=20 > specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if=20 > it is even feasible to offer such a package? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >>I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is=20 >>becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological=20 >>products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation,=20 >>and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term=20 >>money is in services. >> >>How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a=20 >>great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if=20 >>someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages".=20 >>Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is=20 >>that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying=20 >>all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc.=20 >>These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money.=20 >>And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop=20 >>system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because=20 >>of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates=20 >>to time or rework, which again equates to money. >> >>So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that=20 >>someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and=20 >>then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different=20 >>types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might=20 >>include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius=20 >>installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI=20 >>Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass=20 >>package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external=20 >>firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better=20 >>yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free=20 >>VST effects, all ready to work. >> >>The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the=20 >>expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble=20 >>that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper=20 >>interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of=20 >>these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work=20 >>immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to=20 >>Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could=20 >>customize it after that point. >> >>It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the=20 >>time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping=20 >>packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more=20 >>packages, etc. >> >>Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand=20 >>over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually=20 >>buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some=20 >>sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something=20 >>like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well,=20 >>this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or=20 >>the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time=20 >>to do this. >> >>***********************************************************************= *** >>Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >>www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >>My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >>info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >>Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >>CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung >=20 >=20 > --=20 > ... > http://www.zmix.net >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0315_01C6BACC.E78F70F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If that were the case, then it would be = a=20 no brainer, and we wouldn't have so many people asking how they can = start=20 looping with thier laptops. They obviosly don't have all the accessories = together to start looping immediately.  This pakage concept is,=20 theortically at this point, for folks who don't own laptops = already, or who=20 will be willing to upgrade to a new one that is in the package. I = suppose there=20 could be an accessory package too...everything but the laptop (e.g., = Indigo IO=20 card, Behringer, USB MIDI connector, Mobius files with configuration = already=20 mapped to the Behringer, etc).
 
It is not always the case the the = interfaces used=20 for laptop looping will be used for other applications. For instance, I = use my=20 laptop for nothing but looping and effect processing. I have another = laptop for=20 sound editing, graphics, etc.  I bought the FCB to conroll = Mobius...what=20 else am I going to use it for? I bought the sound card specifically for = looping.=20 I could have easily used the stock sound-card for other applications and = it=20 would have been fine...and so on. My accessories were specifically = purchased for=20 looping, and doing it efficiently and to function efficiently as a = system rather=20 than a hodge podge of devices that may or may not play well=20 together.
 
A starter package might include the=20 following:
 
- Hewlett-Packard Pavilion Notebook = with Intel=AE=20 Celeron=AE M Processor 410 (http://tinyurl.com/pbm47) -=20 $750
- Echo Indigo IO cardbus sound card = (http://tinyurl.com/qs87o) -=20 $178
- AudioTrak MIDI Mate MIDI to USB = connector=20 (http://tinyurl.com/fmvn2) -=20 $40
- Behringer FCB (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHFCB1010) - $150
Product Sub TOTAL: $=20 1118
Setup, Installation, = Configuration,=20 Testing: $180 (rough estimate based on 3 hours of work and an = hourly=20 consulting/technical fee of $60 per hour)
TOTAL PACKAGE: = $1298
 
It's just a rought estimate, of course. = The Setup,=20 Installation, etc...would go down as more systems are built. Some folks = might=20 say, why would I pay $180 when I can do that myself? Well, the answer is = that if=20 that were the case, then you are not the target market for the package. = This is=20 for folks who want to buy a system and have it work right out of the=20 box.
 
And of course, the system would come = completely=20 setup, configured, and ready to loop.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Zwicky" <cazwicky@earthlink.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:41 = AM
Subject: Re: Products, Services, and = Looping Gear=20 "Packages"

> Krispen,
>
> I think that the rationalization = behind=20 software looping is that you
> already own a computer, and that = the=20 interfaces which you need to get
> it all working can be used for = some=20 other purpose down the line.  Is
> it possible to interest = someone=20 in an entry level laptop for a
> specific application? Why not = run some=20 numbers by us so we can see if
> it is  even feasible to = offer such=20 a package?
>
>
>
>
>>I got to = thinking wiht=20 my day job hat on, and these days when it is
>>becoming harder = and=20 harder to make money off of technological
>>products, because = of=20 competition, pricing preasures, consolidation,
>>and the = overall=20 commotization of consumer products, the long term
>>money is = in=20 services.
>>
>>How do services pertain to looping = gear? =20 I may be giving away a
>>great marketing/business opportunity = here,=20 but it seems to me if
>>someone had the resources they could = sell=20 "laptop looping packages".
>>Part of the problem with some = folks=20 getting into laptop looping is
>>that it can be painful buying = a=20 laptop that will do the job, buying
>>all the gear to connect = to it=20 and get started, upgrading, etc, etc.
>>These things take time = for the=20 looping consumer, and time is money.
>>And there are risks = that come=20 along with building your own laptop
>>system, such as teh = overall=20 system not working as expected because
>>of hardware/software=20 compatibility, and so on. And this too equates
>>to time or = rework,=20 which again equates to money.
>>
>>So basically the = "laptop=20 looping package" would be a system that
>>someone experience = and=20 knowledgeable would construct and test, and
>>then sell as a = ready to=20 go looping system. You could sell different
>>types and grades = of=20 packages, For instance, a very basic setup might
>>include an = entry=20 level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius =
>>installed, and a=20 cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI
>>Moose, or = some other=20 small controller. Then your totally kick ass
>>package might = include a=20 screaming Intel Duo machine, an external
>>firewire audio/midi = interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better
>>yet, the = deluxe=20 pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free
>>VST = effects, all=20 ready to work.
>>
>>The Service here, which you can't = bottle=20 up or put in a box, is the
>>expertise and knowledge of = constructing a=20 looping kit or ensemble
>>that works right out of the = box.  So,=20 if I were a new looper
>>interested in getting a laptop = looping=20 system, I would buy one of
>>these package, turn it on, and it = would=20 essentially work
>>immediately, everthing down to the = Behringer=20 buttons mapped to
>>Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. = Then of=20 course, I could
>>customize it after that=20 point.
>>
>>It wouldn't take much to get started on = this idea.=20 I don't have the
>>time to do it, but if I did I would = assemble just=20 2-3 looping
>>packages and sell them...and then use the profit = to buy=20 more
>>packages, etc.
>>
>>Incidentally, = there are a=20 lot of smart cookies making money hand
>>over fist using this=20 re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually
>>buying = products on=20 eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some
>>sort, and = selling=20 them for a profit. Why would people buy something
>>like this = when=20 they could buy the individual items themselves? Well,
>>this = sort of=20 answers the question...the value is in the service or
>>the=20 convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time =
>>to do=20 this.
>>
>>********************************************= ******************************
>>Krispen=20 Hartung / Improvisational Looping = Guitar
>>www.krispenhartung.com /=20
www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
>>My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung
>>info@krispenhartung.com / = 1.208.724.5603
>>Discography -=20
http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
>>CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): = http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
>=20
>
> --
> ...
>
http://www.zmix.net
>=20
>
------=_NextPart_000_0315_01C6BACC.E78F70F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:36:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5033BEDC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SXmB6/YN4yzXtwFFeihLjDBLwLcuWbgcV0e8J878G6AyulB5A/3NMA4UIJ39a9j6on3BjTQGbtKK+d3M6/QhDygepVCevM/ZOSE2qD/dtF7j7YkYDVh8Dv5o6/xwWcO2A6eLA2y8AAYG7Z3DtaFoxiVWHEVZcvo5Gpuahps+Xno= In-Reply-To: <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:36:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) On 8 aug 2006, at 16.16, Krispen Hartung wrote: > So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that > someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and > then sell as a ready to go looping system. 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< This is an interesting business idea, but it misses the point - which is that people do not need ready made laptops as much as they need the knowledge of how to maintain the machine as the ultra sharp looper it was delivered as. So I would prefer to charge for my time instead and spend it with the aspiring laptop looper to make sure he/ she understands the system. Without having done any marketing at all I'm already hired, here locally, by private students and music schools for exactly that type of services. I would not like to sell people computer systems without also teaching them. But maybe your business model also includes the option of also becoming "the urgency service engineer"? ;-)D Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:37:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D74253BEF7; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8AF8E.5090605@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:36:46 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? 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(VPS 0632-0, 08/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4lXSBC.A.zGB.h-K2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:37:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030403050201040805020206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cool! Sounds like a fun show. I'm no hardware expert, but I'd look at the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro I know it does all you want. If you ask around on this list, there may be one or two up for sale. If you want to do multiple loops with separate volumes, etc., you'll have to look at the Looperlative or go the laptop route. The Boomerang might also work. I believe it does Verse/Chorus type "Or" loops, but I don't know if it has a multiply function for laying longer loops over shorter ones. The Repeater might also be cool to use with a DJ since I hear it has some pretty cool time-stretching capabilities, but beyond that I don't know any of it's functionality. Other people on here might be able to make other suggestions. Also, be aware that I believe most of the hardware loopers out there are mono, not stereo. Good luck! --Josh tunga.muzik wrote: > Well, what do you want to do? > - Mostly to be able to loop in sync to what a Dj is playing. > > Are you playing an instrument, singing, beatboxing? > - Yes, I´d be playing guitars, bass guitar and singing. > > Is it important for you to be able to have seperate loops for > verse/chorus type structures or to overdub longer phrases overtop of > shorter ones? > - Yes this is very important. > > Do you need to be able to control volumes of seperate loops > simultaneously? > - Not so important at first, but really cool. > > Also, it´d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I know, the RC-50 is > the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not a choice now. All > others I guess would cost me double to do so. > > --Josh > > > > tunga.muzik wrote: > >> I´m going with the individual items idea. I really ain´t got the >> time to try a laptop system, although that sure might have its >> highlights. >> >> The purpose of question at first was really _to have info from >> you guys who own or have owned and performed live_ with models >> like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the >> standard units, cause I´ll probably go for one of these. Also, >> it´d be so cool learning with you people who have performed with >> a DJ, in a "live" experience. That would really make clear which >> features can not fail, or must be reliable at all. >> >> See, at this point it´s about getting the coolest/best individual >> unit, so that I can perform a very reliable/creative gig with the >> DJ community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go >> for the RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it´s not >> all about saving a few bucks. >> >> Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn´t consider using them as >> a looper unit, as I think it´d be a limited choice for a serious >> looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or >> past owners, what about the features, sound quality, ease of >> use of each one, which is the best? >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Peace. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Douglas Baldwin >> *To:* tunga.muzik ; >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM >> *Subject:* Re: ...what to go for then? >> >> Hey community- >> Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper >> and a long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio >> loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or continue on command, >> and can "undo" one or more levels of looping. A long delay >> won't do these things, but will have a feedback function so >> loops can fade away as new material is added. Any more >> differentiating features? >> I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, >> Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it >> doesn't do those "looper" things mentioned above) >> >> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >> www.thecoyote.org >> coyotelk@optonline.net >> >> "Life! Life! >> Clouds and clowns! >> You don't have to come down!" >> - Sly and the Family Stone >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* tunga.muzik >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM >> *Subject:* ...what to go for then? >> >> Hi there, >> >> I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar for >> 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform >> live with them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was just >> about to go and get a RC-50 , but that was before I read >> reviews on harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers >> delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having >> 3 phrase tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, >> bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live >> performances, just put it aside for this moment. >> >> RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more >> phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 >> seconds pressed pedal waiting time to change >> recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro enough. >> >> Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech >> JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even >> the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews. >> >> Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so >> it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this >> moment, what will give me condition for a reliable and >> creative live performance, and also be a smart option >> regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue. >> >> Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. >> >> Peace. >> >> TUNGA >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release >> Date: 7/8/2006 >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > 7/8/2006 > --------------030403050201040805020206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool!  Sounds like a fun show.

I'm no hardware expert, but I'd look at the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro I know it does all you want.  If you ask around on this list, there may be one or two up for sale.  If you want to do multiple loops with separate volumes, etc., you'll have to look at the Looperlative or go the laptop route.  The Boomerang might also work.  I believe it does Verse/Chorus type "Or" loops, but I don't know if it has a multiply function for laying longer loops over shorter ones.  The Repeater might also be cool to use with a DJ since I hear it has some pretty cool time-stretching capabilities, but beyond that I don't know any of it's functionality.  Other people on here might be able to make other suggestions.

Also, be aware that I believe most of the hardware loopers out there are mono, not stereo.

Good luck!

--Josh



tunga.muzik wrote:
Well, what do you want to do?
- Mostly to be able to loop in sync to what a Dj is playing.
 
Are you playing an instrument, singing, beatboxing? 
- Yes, I´d be playing guitars, bass guitar and singing.
 
Is it important for you to be able to have seperate loops for verse/chorus type structures or to overdub longer phrases overtop of shorter ones?
- Yes this is very important.
 
Do you need to be able to control volumes of seperate loops simultaneously?
- Not so important at first, but really cool.
 
Also, it´d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I know, the RC-50 is the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not a choice now. All others I guess would cost me double to do so.

--Josh



tunga.muzik wrote:
I´m going with the individual items idea. I really ain´t got the time to try a laptop system, although that sure might have its highlights.
 
The purpose of  question at first was really to have info from you guys who own or have owned and performed live with models like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the standard units, cause I´ll probably go for one of these. Also, it´d be so cool learning with you people who have performed with a DJ, in a "live" experience. That would really make clear which features can not fail, or must be reliable at all.
 
See, at this point it´s about getting the coolest/best individual unit, so that I can perform a very reliable/creative gig with the DJ community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go for the RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it´s not all about saving a few bucks.
 
Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn´t consider using them as a looper unit, as I think it´d be a limited choice for a serious looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or past owners, what about the features, sound quality, ease of use of each one, which is the best?
 
Thanks again.
 
Peace.
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: ...what to go for then?

Hey community-
    Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper and a long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or continue on command, and can "undo" one or more levels of looping. A long delay won't do these things, but will have a feedback function so loops can fade away as new material is added. Any more differentiating features?
    I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it doesn't do those "looper" things mentioned above)
 
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"Life! Life!
Clouds and clowns!
You don't have to come down!"
- Sly and the Family Stone
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM
Subject: ...what to go for then?

Hi there,
 
I´m also new to this community, been playing guitar for 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform live with them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was just about to go and get a RC-50 , but that was before I read reviews on harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having 3 phrase tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live performances, just put it aside for this moment.
 
RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 seconds pressed pedal waiting time to change recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro enough.
 
Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews.
 
Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this moment, what will give me condition for a reliable and creative live performance, and also be a smart option regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue.
 
Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot.
 
Peace.
 
TUNGA

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--------------030403050201040805020206-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:39:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 353613BEE6; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <031801c6baff$33183890$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.5 November 30, 2005 Message-ID: From: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:37:54 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on LN-CAN-G02/Servers/SunLife(Release 6.5.5|November 30, 2005) at 08/08/2006 11:40:28 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:39:35 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>>>Some folks might say, why would I pay $180 when I can do that myself? Well, the answer is that if that were the case, then you are not the target market for the package. This is for folks who want to buy a system and have it work right out of the box. And of course, the system would come completely setup, configured, and ready to loop. Isn't this the main inherent advantage of a hardware looper? All the advantages of this system are just really duplicating what you get when you buy a new (to you) Repeater of an EDP. The advantages of being able to tweak that system specifically for your needs would probably require that you learn everything about all of the components of the system, sort of negating the 'advantage' of having someone else initially set it up for you, since you're gonna have to learn how it works anyway. Oh, I'd say the best line of attack from a business proposition POV would be to find the cheapest laptop that you can get with the necessary specs, configure it specifically for looping/audio editing, and sell those by themselves. Pick one software looper (people seem to like Mobius), throw it on there, and from there maybe reccomend an interface, you could probably make some money in offering some additional set up based on the interface they choose- or they could do it themselves. I think most loopers wouldn't mind learning the 'music' systems on their own machines (the looping & any effects/plug ins etc), it's making the OS run most efficiently (the 'computer' part, if you will) that I don't think they have the time/patience for. Just a thought....... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 15:55:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15D2B3BEDB; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:55:24 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0J3O00MUNS6O6PC0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Aca6+OmSd78vhaYkQ7C86MjtW8kMrAACI0kg Resent-Message-ID: <6qdQ1B.A.l1B.7PL2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:55:40 +0000 (UTC) I agree... with the I/O latency issues that plague current computer audio setups, I can't see going out of my way to buy a laptop for use as a looper. Since I already own one, though, I use Live and Mobius occasionally at home. However, the latency issue keeps me from incorporating it into my live rig. This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability issues to some extent). Personally I have never quite grasped why cheaper, slower hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds, while our much more powerful computer systems have noticeable delays. That's a bit OT, though. Krispen - are you running some type of parallel setup with delay compensation to combat the monitoring latency? Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Krispen, I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if it is even feasible to offer such a package? >I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is >becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological >products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, >and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term >money is in services. > >How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a >great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if >someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". >Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is >that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying >all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. >These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. >And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop >system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because >of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates >to time or rework, which again equates to money. > >So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that >someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and >then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different >types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might >include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius >installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI >Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass >package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external >firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better >yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free >VST effects, all ready to work. > >The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the >expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble >that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper >interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of >these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work >immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to >Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could >customize it after that point. > >It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the >time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping >packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more >packages, etc. > >Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand >over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually >buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some >sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something >like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, >this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or >the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time >to do this. > >************************************************************************** >Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:02:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F563BEDD; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032701c6bb04$05708000$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:02:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:02:20 +0000 (UTC) > This is an interesting business idea, but it misses the point - which is > that people do not need ready made laptops as much as they need the > knowledge of how to maintain the machine as the ultra sharp looper it was > delivered as. So I would prefer to charge for my time instead and spend > it with the aspiring laptop looper to make sure he/ she understands the > system. Without having done any marketing at all I'm already hired, here > locally, by private students and music schools for exactly that type of > services. You can do that Per...you are just talking about a new package. This is not a new idea. It's done all of the time with other technology. Thousands of people buy packaged up systems every day, with or without education bundled up....they may not be for looping, but they do involve components that people don't wan to hunt down and configure themselves, or where they do or do not want to be taught how to use the system. So, to build on that basic system...remember, it was a basic system, you could add an education component, which is my line of work. I would add a series of virtual classroom sessions that show how to use the software, such as Mobius, etc. Or I suppose a face-to-face workshop could be part of the package. All this would have to be priced out and ROI demonstrated. Again, nothing new here. I'm not about to convey an entire marketing plan for this over email, but I know it can be done, only because it is being done in other areas of technology, and the user need is similar. It may not make millions, but I'm confident that some folks would buy a package, because there is power in convenience. For instance, people buy package home entertainment systems, which they could just as well go out and buy themselves but piecemeal one component at time, but they choose the packages. You can buy them like this, unconfigured, or you can pay to have someone come to your home and setup it up and train you. It depends on the user need, the value of the service, good pricing vs. value, etc. The same with systems that include a desktop computer, printer, scanner, etc. You can buy systems together, unconfigured, or pay someone to do it on site or at your home. A poor marketing plan would only include the package that includes a technician setting it up at the user's home, teaching them, etc...that completely blows off a huge target market that wants the convenience of buying a system, but has the expertise to configure it themselves. It doesn't cost anything more to offer this more basic package. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" > On 8 aug 2006, at 16.16, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that someone >> experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and then sell as >> a ready to go looping system. 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< > > > This is an interesting business idea, but it misses the point - which is > that people do not need ready made laptops as much as they need the > knowledge of how to maintain the machine as the ultra sharp looper it was > delivered as. So I would prefer to charge for my time instead and spend > it with the aspiring laptop looper to make sure he/ she understands the > system. Without having done any marketing at all I'm already hired, here > locally, by private students and music schools for exactly that type of > services. > > I would not like to sell people computer systems without also teaching > them. But maybe your business model also includes the option of also > becoming "the urgency service engineer"? ;-)D > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:04:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B0983BEF3; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8B601.1050800@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:04:17 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010206050900000208070707" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0632-0, 08/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:04:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010206050900000208070707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know. I mean, like I said, I'm not sure I could have bought an entire system, but I would have paid more for an FCB1010 and a copy of Mobius that were already set up to play nice with eachother, especially if it included a little quick-start guide that explained how they worked together and point me at some resources for learning more about how to tweak the hardware/software to my own needs. --Josh Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote: >>>>>>>> Some folks might say, why would I pay $180 when I can do that >>>>>>>> > myself? Well, the answer is that if that were the case, then you are not > the target market for the package. This is for folks who want to buy a > system and have it work right out of the box. > > And of course, the system would come completely setup, configured, and > ready to loop. > > > > Isn't this the main inherent advantage of a hardware looper? All the > advantages of this system are just really duplicating what you get when you > buy a new (to you) Repeater of an EDP. The advantages of being able to > tweak that system specifically for your needs would probably require that > you learn everything about all of the components of the system, sort of > negating the 'advantage' of having someone else initially set it up for > you, since you're gonna have to learn how it works anyway. > > Oh, I'd say the best line of attack from a business proposition POV would > be to find the cheapest laptop that you can get with the necessary specs, > configure it specifically for looping/audio editing, and sell those by > themselves. Pick one software looper (people seem to like Mobius), throw it > on there, and from there maybe reccomend an interface, you could probably > make some money in offering some additional set up based on the interface > they choose- or they could do it themselves. I think most loopers wouldn't > mind learning the 'music' systems on their own machines (the looping & any > effects/plug ins etc), it's making the OS run most efficiently (the > 'computer' part, if you will) that I don't think they have the > time/patience for. Just a thought....... > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. 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--Josh



Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com wrote:
Some folks might say, why would I pay $180 when I can do that
                
myself? Well, the answer is that if that were the case, then you are not
the target market for the package. This is for folks who want to buy a
system and have it work right out of the box.

And of course, the system would come completely setup, configured, and
ready to loop.



Isn't this the main inherent advantage of a hardware looper?  All the
advantages of this system are just really duplicating what you get when you
buy a new (to you) Repeater of an EDP. The advantages of being able to
tweak that system specifically for your needs would probably require that
you learn everything about all of the components of the system, sort of
negating the 'advantage' of having someone else initially set it up for
you, since you're gonna have to learn how it works anyway.

Oh, I'd say the best line of attack from a business proposition POV would
be to find the cheapest laptop that you can get with the necessary specs,
configure  it specifically for looping/audio editing, and sell those by
themselves. Pick one software looper (people seem to like Mobius), throw it
on there, and from there maybe reccomend an interface, you could probably
make some money in offering some additional set up based on the interface
they choose- or they could do it themselves. I think most loopers wouldn't
mind learning the 'music' systems on their own machines (the looping & any
effects/plug ins etc), it's making the OS run most efficiently (the
'computer' part, if you will) that I don't think they have the
time/patience for.   Just a thought.......



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--------------010206050900000208070707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:09:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195C83BEE4; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8B71E.9090502@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:09:02 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" References: <0J3O00MUNS6O6PC0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> In-Reply-To: <0J3O00MUNS6O6PC0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030308080702060100060509" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0632-0, 08/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:09:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030308080702060100060509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jesse, What audio I/O hardware are you using? Is it ASIO? I'm using the ASIO4ALL driver with my laptop's built-in sound card right now, and latency isn't an issue at all. Sound quality is, and that's why I'm saving/shopping for a firewire interface (anybody got one for sale?), but the latency just isn't a problem, and I'm a pretty rhythmic player. Of course, my machine has one of the new CoreDuo processors, so maybe that helps too. --Josh noone@jbro.us wrote: > I agree... with the I/O latency issues that plague current computer audio > setups, I can't see going out of my way to buy a laptop for use as a looper. > Since I already own one, though, I use Live and Mobius occasionally at home. > However, the latency issue keeps me from incorporating it into my live rig. > This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over > software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability issues to > some extent). Personally I have never quite grasped why cheaper, slower > hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds, while our much more > powerful computer systems have noticeable delays. That's a bit OT, though. > > Krispen - are you running some type of parallel setup with delay > compensation to combat the monitoring latency? > > Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" > > Krispen, > > I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you > already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get > it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is > it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a > specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if > it is even feasible to offer such a package? > > > > > >> I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is >> becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological >> products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, >> and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term >> money is in services. >> >> How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a >> great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if >> someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". >> Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is >> that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying >> all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. >> These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. >> And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop >> system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because >> of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates >> to time or rework, which again equates to money. >> >> So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that >> someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and >> then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different >> types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might >> include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius >> installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI >> Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass >> package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external >> firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better >> yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free >> VST effects, all ready to work. >> >> The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the >> expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble >> that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper >> interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of >> these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work >> immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to >> Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could >> customize it after that point. >> >> It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the >> time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping >> packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more >> packages, etc. >> >> Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand >> over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually >> buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some >> sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something >> like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, >> this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or >> the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time >> to do this. >> >> ************************************************************************** >> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >> My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >> CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung >> > > > --------------030308080702060100060509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jesse,

What audio I/O hardware are you using?  Is it ASIO?  I'm using the ASIO4ALL driver with my laptop's built-in sound card right now, and latency isn't an issue at all.  Sound quality is, and that's why I'm saving/shopping for a firewire interface (anybody got one for sale?), but the latency just isn't a problem, and I'm a pretty rhythmic player.  Of course, my machine has one of the new CoreDuo processors, so maybe that helps too.

--Josh



noone@jbro.us wrote:
I agree... with the I/O latency issues that plague current computer audio
setups, I can't see going out of my way to buy a laptop for use as a looper.
Since I already own one, though, I use Live and Mobius occasionally at home.
However, the latency issue keeps me from incorporating it into my live rig.
This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over
software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability issues to
some extent).  Personally I have never quite grasped why cheaper, slower
hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds, while our much more
powerful computer systems have noticeable delays.  That's a bit OT, though.

Krispen - are you running some type of parallel setup with delay
compensation to combat the monitoring latency?

Jesse

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:42 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages"

Krispen,

I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you 
already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get 
it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line.  Is 
it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a 
specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if 
it is  even feasible to offer such a package?




  
I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is 
becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological 
products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, 
and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term 
money is in services.

How do services pertain to looping gear?  I may be giving away a 
great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if 
someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". 
Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is 
that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying 
all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. 
These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. 
And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop 
system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because 
of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates 
to time or rework, which again equates to money.

So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that 
someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and 
then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different 
types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might 
include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius 
installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI 
Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass 
package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external 
firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better 
yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free 
VST effects, all ready to work.

The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the 
expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble 
that works right out of the box.  So, if I were a new looper 
interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of 
these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work 
immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to 
Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could 
customize it after that point.

It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the 
time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping 
packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more 
packages, etc.

Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand 
over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually 
buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some 
sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something 
like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, 
this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or 
the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time 
to do this.

**************************************************************************
Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
    


  
--------------030308080702060100060509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:11:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D493BEF0; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033201c6bb05$5562d990$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0J3O00MUNS6O6PC0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:11:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Yes, latency can certainly be a showstopper! I don't experience any significant latency on my system, mainly cause I did the research to find an audio interface and driver that would minimize it, plus ensured my system had the performance to support it. I plug directly into my laptop and Indigo IO card...not major latency problems, and I use this system to perform, record, etc...with headphones, through a PA, and so on. I am fairly compulsive about these things, and I wouldn't have sold thousands of dollars of gear and put my Looperlative laptop rack system up for sale if the laptop system didn't meet my technological and usability needs. But a buyer of this laptop system package wouldn't have to worry about this. That's part of the package...getting a system that doesn't sound like crap out of the box. I suppose part of the testing would include some specs on the overall system latency...there is always some present, so that really compulsive users with stringent latency requirements can decide whether the system meets their needs. You get what you pay for. If the Indigo IO card doesn't meet someone's requirements, then add one of those fancy firewire interfaces to the package...just adds to the cost. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" >I agree... with the I/O latency issues that plague current computer audio > setups, I can't see going out of my way to buy a laptop for use as a > looper. > Since I already own one, though, I use Live and Mobius occasionally at > home. > However, the latency issue keeps me from incorporating it into my live > rig. > This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over > software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability issues > to > some extent). Personally I have never quite grasped why cheaper, slower > hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds, while our much > more > powerful computer systems have noticeable delays. That's a bit OT, > though. > > Krispen - are you running some type of parallel setup with delay > compensation to combat the monitoring latency? > > Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:42 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" > > Krispen, > > I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you > already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get > it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is > it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a > specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if > it is even feasible to offer such a package? > > > > >>I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is >>becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological >>products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, >>and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term >>money is in services. >> >>How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a >>great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if >>someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". >>Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is >>that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying >>all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. >>These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. >>And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop >>system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because >>of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates >>to time or rework, which again equates to money. >> >>So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that >>someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and >>then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different >>types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might >>include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius >>installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI >>Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass >>package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external >>firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better >>yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free >>VST effects, all ready to work. >> >>The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the >>expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble >>that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper >>interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of >>these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work >>immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to >>Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could >>customize it after that point. >> >>It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the >>time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping >>packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more >>packages, etc. >> >>Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand >>over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually >>buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some >>sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something >>like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, >>this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or >>the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time >>to do this. >> >>************************************************************************** >>Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >>www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >>My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >>info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >>Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >>CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:16:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E863BEEE; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8B8C8.7030306@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:16:08 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" References: <0J3O00MUNS6O6PC0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <033201c6bb05$5562d990$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <033201c6bb05$5562d990$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0632-0, 08/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Actually, wouldn't Indigo would actually be faster than a firewire system? I think CardBus is faster than Firewire (I could be wrong). Wow... I'm posting too much today... must stop... --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yes, latency can certainly be a showstopper! I don't experience any > significant latency on my system, mainly cause I did the research to > find an audio interface and driver that would minimize it, plus > ensured my system had the performance to support it. I plug directly > into my laptop and Indigo IO card...not major latency problems, and I > use this system to perform, record, etc...with headphones, through a > PA, and so on. > > I am fairly compulsive about these things, and I wouldn't have sold > thousands of dollars of gear and put my Looperlative laptop rack > system up for sale if the laptop system didn't meet my technological > and usability needs. > > But a buyer of this laptop system package wouldn't have to worry about > this. That's part of the package...getting a system that doesn't sound > like crap out of the box. I suppose part of the testing would include > some specs on the overall system latency...there is always some > present, so that really compulsive users with stringent latency > requirements can decide whether the system meets their needs. You get > what you pay for. If the Indigo IO card doesn't meet someone's > requirements, then add one of those fancy firewire interfaces to the > package...just adds to the cost. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" > > >> I agree... with the I/O latency issues that plague current computer >> audio >> setups, I can't see going out of my way to buy a laptop for use as a >> looper. >> Since I already own one, though, I use Live and Mobius occasionally >> at home. >> However, the latency issue keeps me from incorporating it into my >> live rig. >> This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over >> software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability >> issues to >> some extent). Personally I have never quite grasped why cheaper, slower >> hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds, while our >> much more >> powerful computer systems have noticeable delays. That's a bit OT, >> though. >> >> Krispen - are you running some type of parallel setup with delay >> compensation to combat the monitoring latency? >> >> Jesse >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 10:42 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" >> >> Krispen, >> >> I think that the rationalization behind software looping is that you >> already own a computer, and that the interfaces which you need to get >> it all working can be used for some other purpose down the line. Is >> it possible to interest someone in an entry level laptop for a >> specific application? Why not run some numbers by us so we can see if >> it is even feasible to offer such a package? >> >> >> >> >>> I got to thinking wiht my day job hat on, and these days when it is >>> becoming harder and harder to make money off of technological >>> products, because of competition, pricing preasures, consolidation, >>> and the overall commotization of consumer products, the long term >>> money is in services. >>> >>> How do services pertain to looping gear? I may be giving away a >>> great marketing/business opportunity here, but it seems to me if >>> someone had the resources they could sell "laptop looping packages". >>> Part of the problem with some folks getting into laptop looping is >>> that it can be painful buying a laptop that will do the job, buying >>> all the gear to connect to it and get started, upgrading, etc, etc. >>> These things take time for the looping consumer, and time is money. >>> And there are risks that come along with building your own laptop >>> system, such as teh overall system not working as expected because >>> of hardware/software compatibility, and so on. And this too equates >>> to time or rework, which again equates to money. >>> >>> So basically the "laptop looping package" would be a system that >>> someone experience and knowledgeable would construct and test, and >>> then sell as a ready to go looping system. You could sell different >>> types and grades of packages, For instance, a very basic setup might >>> include an entry level laptop, inexpensive cardbus soundcard, Mobius >>> installed, and a cheap MIDI controller like the MIDI Mouse, MIDI >>> Moose, or some other small controller. Then your totally kick ass >>> package might include a screaming Intel Duo machine, an external >>> firewire audio/midi interface, and a Behringer controller. Or better >>> yet, the deluxe pacakge would include a VST host and a ton of free >>> VST effects, all ready to work. >>> >>> The Service here, which you can't bottle up or put in a box, is the >>> expertise and knowledge of constructing a looping kit or ensemble >>> that works right out of the box. So, if I were a new looper >>> interested in getting a laptop looping system, I would buy one of >>> these package, turn it on, and it would essentially work >>> immediately, everthing down to the Behringer buttons mapped to >>> Mobius functions, buttons labeled, etc. Then of course, I could >>> customize it after that point. >>> >>> It wouldn't take much to get started on this idea. I don't have the >>> time to do it, but if I did I would assemble just 2-3 looping >>> packages and sell them...and then use the profit to buy more >>> packages, etc. >>> >>> Incidentally, there are a lot of smart cookies making money hand >>> over fist using this re-packaging concept on eBay. Folk are actually >>> buying products on eBay, packaging them up based on a theme of some >>> sort, and selling them for a profit. Why would people buy something >>> like this when they could buy the individual items themselves? Well, >>> this sort of answers the question...the value is in the service or >>> the convienence of not having to do the research or spend the time >>> to do this. >>> >>> ************************************************************************** >>> >>> Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar >>> www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung >>> My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung >>> info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 >>> Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm >>> CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung >> >> >> -- >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:18:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E31153BEFB; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:18:05 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Matthew.Quinn@sunlife.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Message-ID: <77FA96516E2DB993B0F7C539@[192.168.1.104]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:18:15 +0000 (UTC) > Oh, I'd say the best line of attack from a business proposition POV would > be to find the cheapest laptop that you can get with the necessary specs, In an unrelated business, we tried this at my day job. We purchased laptop computers because of their size and built-in battery. What we discovered quickly is that manufacturers change models of laptops faster than we liked. Each new installation had a new learning curve because the laptop was slightly different each time. I'm not saying that you could succeed selling ready-made looping laptops, but I am saying that it may not be easy. This is especially the case when your customers start calling you months later because their laptop stopped working. So, if any of you decide to go into this business, I would highly recommend designing the pricing structure to cover yourself in the worst case because it will come up. Before I went out and designed a hardware looper, I seriously considered creating a software looper. I decided against it because I didn't want to deal with the headaches of having to support all the different configurations of computers and audio devices. Of course, your mileage may vary. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 16:45:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E42633BED2; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:45:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABDEF@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <0J3O00MUNS6O6PC0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Thread-Index: Aca6+OmSd78vhaYkQ7C86MjtW8kMrAACI0kgAAG8OFA= From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:45:16 +0000 (UTC) > From: noone@jbro.us [mailto:noone@jbro.us]=20 > This is, in my opinion, the primary advantage hardware units have over > software setups right now (aside from perhaps durability/stability issues > to some extent). Personally I have never quite grasped why=20 > cheaper, slower hardware units measure their I/O latency in picoseconds,=20 > while our much more powerful computer systems have noticeable delays. Latency in laptop systems is undeniably real and greater than what you will experience with most dedicated hardware units (with the apparent exception of the RC-50 :-). =20 I don't know of any hardware units that do analog/digital conversion that measure their latency in picoseconds, unless we're talking about 1,000,000,000 picoseconds. Latency is normally measured in milliseconds or microseconds. At a standard sampling rate of 44.1K we have .02268 milliseconds per sample. With a typical buffer size of 16 samples, that becomes about 1/3 millisecond of latency. Humans cannot reliably detect the difference between 1ms of latency and .3ms of latency when it is held constant. Few can detect the difference between 1ms and 5ms. 10ms seems to be the magic number where most people can start to sense that something is "off". I find that most of the time, people that complain about laptop latency haven't tuned it properly. On a modern laptop with ASIO drivers, you can expect to achieve latency on the order of 5 milliseconds and sometimes lower. This may bother some people but there are obviously many thousands of soft-synth and Guitar Rig users that either don't notice it, or can adapt to it. Apologies for being OT. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 17:03:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C73843BEDE; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8C3AC.1060504@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:02:36 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <02ee01c6baf5$4bbb2e70$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030309080202060700080004" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:03:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030309080202060700080004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These discussions of laptop looping are fascinating to me...but still, if I was a touring musician and had the $1200 to spend on a looper, I'd save up just a bit more and get a Looperlative, which seems to cover an awful lot of the possible looping bases. First consideration is that I'd want to have a laptop with me for communication and everything else associated with touring, but, I'd want to keep my looping machine off the Net to avoid viruses (at all costs). So then I've got two very expensive, desirable, not-very-roadworthy-or-handy-to-carry pieces of gear to deal with, watch in restaurants, hope that the club has a sturdy table to hold onstage, etc. Busking outdoors with a laptop? terrifying thought. And if something does go wrong, with something like the Looperlative I can get in touch with the developer and get assistance that will cover anything that has gone amiss. Worst case scenario, I can get another unit just like it, plug in, and be good to go. But with a laptop system, the question always is; what went wrong? Something in the hardware? The OS? The software, each of which comes from a different manufacturer? The interface? If I can narrow it down, if it's something with the computer itself then I have to find a model similiar to the one I already have, take the time to install all of my pieces of gear, hope it all works again, and of course forget about "borrowing" one to do all of this to. Then there's the latency. Any perceptible amount seems insurmountable to me. I wouldn't want to have to do a workaround if one day I decided to start singing into the thing, then realizing I need to "adjust" to compensate, as was discussed earlier this week. /However... /If I were ever convinced that a laptop were the way to go, I'd look into something like the OQO . It's a small palmtop (5" x 3.5") with full XP. The size means it would be no problem to carry on my person and to stabilize for performance. I'm not sure how much visual interaction is needed with the screen that couldn't be compensated for with the MIDI interface/ pedal, but one could carry a flatscreen monitor, which is cheaper and more universally replaceable than the full machine. randomly, Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com --------------030309080202060700080004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These discussions of laptop looping are fascinating to me...but still, if I was a touring musician and had the $1200 to spend on a looper, I'd save up just a bit more and get a Looperlative, which seems to cover an awful lot of the possible looping bases. First consideration is that I'd want to have a laptop with me for communication and everything else associated with touring, but, I'd want to keep my looping machine off the Net to avoid viruses (at all costs). So then I've got two very expensive, desirable, not-very-roadworthy-or-handy-to-carry pieces of gear to deal with, watch in restaurants, hope that the club has a sturdy table to hold onstage, etc.

Busking outdoors with a laptop? terrifying thought.

And if something does go wrong, with something like the Looperlative I can get in touch with the developer and get assistance that will cover anything that has gone amiss. Worst case scenario, I can get another unit just like it, plug in, and be good to go. But with a laptop system, the question always is; what went wrong? Something in the hardware? The OS? The software, each of which comes from a different manufacturer? The interface? If I can narrow it down, if it's something with the computer itself then I have to find a model similiar to the one I already have, take the time to install all of my pieces of gear, hope it all works again, and of course forget about "borrowing" one to do all of this to.

Then there's the latency. Any perceptible amount seems insurmountable to me. I wouldn't want to have to do a workaround if one day I decided to start singing into the thing, then realizing I need to "adjust" to compensate, as was discussed earlier this week.

However...

If I were ever convinced that a laptop were the way to go, I'd look into something like the OQO. It's a small palmtop (5" x 3.5") with full XP. The size means it would be no problem to carry on my person and to stabilize for performance. I'm not sure how much visual interaction is needed with the screen that couldn't be compensated for with the MIDI interface/ pedal, but one could carry a flatscreen monitor, which is cheaper and more universally replaceable than the full machine.

randomly,

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
--------------030309080202060700080004-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 17:13:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D19A3BEE6; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:13:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABDF3@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <77FA96516E2DB993B0F7C539@[192.168.1.104]> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Thread-Index: Aca7BkFntdFL2lnYRSGI82yTiR20pgABOcqg From: "Jeff Larson" To: "Bob Amstadt" , , Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:13:04 +0000 (UTC) > From: Bob Amstadt [mailto:bob@looperlative.com]=20 > Before I went out and designed a hardware looper, I seriously=20 > considered creating a software looper. I decided against it=20 > because I didn't want to deal with the headaches of having to > support all the different configurations of computers=20 > and audio devices. FWIW, I've found supporting different computers and audio devices relatively easy. The absolute *fu&^XUBG* nightmare is supporting all the various VST hosts. This would be the single most critical packaging decision. =20 > I'm not saying that you could succeed selling ready-made=20 > looping laptops, but I am saying that it may not be easy. This=20 > is especially the case when your customers start calling you months > later because their laptop stopped working. Right on. When people start paying thousands of dollars for an "appliance" they expect you to fix it. This is especially problematic for computers not just because of hardware variability, but because it is almost impossible to prevent people from doing stupid things to them. You could try to take the "installing uncertified software voids the warranty" stance, but this may be difficult in practice. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 17:20:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08E173BEEC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <33481396.1155057643367.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:20:43 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Cc: Joshua Carroll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:20:48 +0000 (UTC) "Also, it=C2=B4d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I know, the RC-50 is t= he only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not a choice now. " But the Boomerang IS a choice!? If one doesn't care about sound quality, I = guess. I bought one once and sent it back as it sounded very muddy. Paul=20 ---- Joshua Carroll wrote:=20 > Cool! Sounds like a fun show. >=20 > I'm no hardware expert, but I'd look at the Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro= =20 > I know it does all you want. If you ask around on this list, there may= =20 > be one or two up for sale. If you want to do multiple loops with=20 > separate volumes, etc., you'll have to look at the Looperlative or go=20 > the laptop route. The Boomerang might also work. I believe it does=20 > Verse/Chorus type "Or" loops, but I don't know if it has a multiply=20 > function for laying longer loops over shorter ones. The Repeater might= =20 > also be cool to use with a DJ since I hear it has some pretty cool=20 > time-stretching capabilities, but beyond that I don't know any of it's=20 > functionality. Other people on here might be able to make other=20 > suggestions. >=20 > Also, be aware that I believe most of the hardware loopers out there are= =20 > mono, not stereo. >=20 > Good luck! >=20 > --Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 > tunga.muzik wrote: > > Well, what do you want to do? > > - Mostly to be able to loop in sync to what a Dj is playing. > > =20 > > Are you playing an instrument, singing, beatboxing?=20 > > - Yes, I=C2=B4d be playing guitars, bass guitar and singing. > > =20 > > Is it important for you to be able to have seperate loops for=20 > > verse/chorus type structures or to overdub longer phrases overtop of=20 > > shorter ones? > > - Yes this is very important. > > =20 > > Do you need to be able to control volumes of seperate loops=20 > > simultaneously? > > - Not so important at first, but really cool. > > =20 > > Also, it=C2=B4d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I know, the RC-50 i= s=20 > > the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not a choice now. All=20 > > others I guess would cost me double to do so. > > > > --Josh > > > > > > > > tunga.muzik wrote: > > > >> I=C2=B4m going with the individual items idea. I really ain=C2=B4t= got the > >> time to try a laptop system, although that sure might have its > >> highlights. > >> =20 > >> The purpose of question at first was really _to have info from > >> you guys who own or have owned and performed live_ with models > >> like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, Akai Headrush....the > >> standard units, cause I=C2=B4ll probably go for one of these. Also= , > >> it=C2=B4d be so cool learning with you people who have performed w= ith > >> a DJ, in a "live" experience. That would really make clear which > >> features can not fail, or must be reliable at all. > >> =20 > >> See, at this point it=C2=B4s about getting the coolest/best indivi= dual > >> unit, so that I can perform a very reliable/creative gig with the > >> DJ community and/or a stand alone act - have in mind I would go > >> for the RC-50 before reading web reviews about it, so it=C2=B4s no= t > >> all about saving a few bucks. > >> =20 > >> Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn=C2=B4t consider using the= m as > >> a looper unit, as I think it=C2=B4d be a limited choice for a seri= ous > >> looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, again from you actual or > >> past owners, what about the features, sound quality, ease of > >> use of each one, which is the best? > >> =20 > >> Thanks again. > >> =20 > >> Peace. > >> =20 > >> =20 > >> =20 > >> =20 > >> =20 > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> *From:* Douglas Baldwin > >> *To:* tunga.muzik ; > >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 AM > >> *Subject:* Re: ...what to go for then? > >> > >> Hey community- > >> Have we ever discussed the difference between a looper > >> and a long delay? Methinks a looper can store a few audio > >> loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or continue on command, > >> and can "undo" one or more levels of looping. A long delay > >> won't do these things, but will have a feedback function so > >> loops can fade away as new material is added. Any more > >> differentiating features? > >> I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, > >> Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it > >> doesn't do those "looper" things mentioned above) > >> =20 > >> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > >> www.thecoyote.org > >> coyotelk@optonline.net > >> =20 > >> "Life! Life! > >> Clouds and clowns! > >> You don't have to come down!" > >> - Sly and the Family Stone > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> *From:* tunga.muzik > >> *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:19 AM > >> *Subject:* ...what to go for then? > >> > >> Hi there, > >> =20 > >> I=C2=B4m also new to this community, been playing guitar f= or > >> 15 years now and have been invited by some DJs to perform > >> live with them. Obviously I need a looper, and I was just > >> about to go and get a RC-50 , but that was before I read > >> reviews on harmony-central, musiciansfriend.com, loopers > >> delight, etc.....I was excited about going stereo, having > >> 3 phrase tracks, such long recording time......bla, bla, > >> bla...........but as I would have it mainly for live > >> performances, just put it aside for this moment. > >> =20 > >> RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade sound quality as more > >> phrases are added onto previous recorded ones, has the 2 > >> seconds pressed pedal waiting time to change > >> recording/dubbing functions......sounds not pro enough. > >> =20 > >> Also read a lot about some little issues on Digitech > >> JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix 2880, etc.......even > >> the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus got bad reviews. > >> =20 > >> Sincerely....I got lost in the middle of everything, so > >> it got cloudy for me to define what should I buy at this > >> moment, what will give me condition for a reliable and > >> creative live performance, and also be a smart option > >> regarding the cost X benefit X technology X quality issue. > >> =20 > >> Counting on your expertise people....thanks a lot. > >> =20 > >> Peace. > >> =20 > >> TUNGA > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------= ---------- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release > >> Date: 7/8/2006 > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > 7/8/2006 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 18:18:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 371223BEE4; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EGhRfgTcam3kgxke+7oO+yaCg0kIJKr2CfZAmitlRGN49Sn5wsXjG8l0D/zousgXhAvWSSpLJP36bWvrS367Dnl35e8+LagEIykXO9foXhYL05XI7izAvg7kcOZB8biVFiDdK/5ESxeTtQzHnM0ebz25Xq+PFt7FyW4Q6EcAuIw= ; Message-ID: <20060808181850.22336.qmail@web51014.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Murchison Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <33481396.1155057643367.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.adelphia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Mine's got no issues with sound quality. I run it in the loop of my amp and it's dead silent. Out front it's hissy as hell, but that's not where I put it. And for some reason, if I put it in front of my little solid state Crate practice amp I don't get noise. So it's not simply a matter of placement, either. Scott > But the Boomerang IS a choice!? If one doesn't care > about sound quality, I guess. I bought one once and > sent it back as it sounded very muddy. > > Paul > > ---- Joshua Carroll wrote: > > Cool! Sounds like a fun show. > > > > I'm no hardware expert, but I'd look at the Gibson > Echoplex Digital Pro > > I know it does all you want. If you ask around on > this list, there may > > be one or two up for sale. If you want to do > multiple loops with > > separate volumes, etc., you'll have to look at the > Looperlative or go > > the laptop route. The Boomerang might also work. > I believe it does > > Verse/Chorus type "Or" loops, but I don't know if > it has a multiply > > function for laying longer loops over shorter > ones. The Repeater might > > also be cool to use with a DJ since I hear it has > some pretty cool > > time-stretching capabilities, but beyond that I > don't know any of it's > > functionality. Other people on here might be able > to make other > > suggestions. > > > > Also, be aware that I believe most of the hardware > loopers out there are > > mono, not stereo. > > > > Good luck! > > > > --Josh > > > > > > > > tunga.muzik wrote: > > > Well, what do you want to do? > > > - Mostly to be able to loop in sync to what a Dj > is playing. > > > > > > Are you playing an instrument, singing, > beatboxing? > > > - Yes, I´d be playing guitars, bass guitar and > singing. > > > > > > Is it important for you to be able to have > seperate loops for > > > verse/chorus type structures or to overdub > longer phrases overtop of > > > shorter ones? > > > - Yes this is very important. > > > > > > Do you need to be able to control volumes of > seperate loops > > > simultaneously? > > > - Not so important at first, but really cool. > > > > > > Also, it´d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I > know, the RC-50 is > > > the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not > a choice now. All > > > others I guess would cost me double to do so. > > > > > > --Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > tunga.muzik wrote: > > > > > >> I´m going with the individual items idea. I > really ain´t got the > > >> time to try a laptop system, although that > sure might have its > > >> highlights. > > >> > > >> The purpose of question at first was > really _to have info from > > >> you guys who own or have owned and > performed live_ with models > > >> like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, > Akai Headrush....the > > >> standard units, cause I´ll probably go for > one of these. Also, > > >> it´d be so cool learning with you people > who have performed with > > >> a DJ, in a "live" experience. That would > really make clear which > > >> features can not fail, or must be reliable > at all. > > >> > > >> See, at this point it´s about getting the > coolest/best individual > > >> unit, so that I can perform a very > reliable/creative gig with the > > >> DJ community and/or a stand alone act - > have in mind I would go > > >> for the RC-50 before reading web reviews > about it, so it´s not > > >> all about saving a few bucks. > > >> > > >> Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn´t > consider using them as > > >> a looper unit, as I think it´d be a limited > choice for a serious > > >> looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, > again from you actual or > > >> past owners, what about the features, sound > quality, ease of > > >> use of each one, which is the best? > > >> > > >> Thanks again. > > >> > > >> Peace. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> *From:* Douglas Baldwin > > > >> *To:* tunga.muzik > ; > > >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> > > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 > AM > > >> *Subject:* Re: ...what to go for then? > > >> > > >> Hey community- > > >> Have we ever discussed the > difference between a looper > > >> and a long delay? Methinks a looper can > store a few audio > > >> loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or > continue on command, > > >> and can "undo" one or more levels of > looping. A long delay > > >> won't do these things, but will have a > feedback function so > > >> loops can fade away as new material is > added. Any more > > >> differentiating features? > > >> I ask this because I'm reading this > thread, thinking, > > >> Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great > looper! (except it > > >> doesn't do those "looper" things > mentioned above) > > >> > > >> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > >> www.thecoyote.org > > > >> coyotelk@optonline.net > > > >> > > >> "Life! Life! > > >> Clouds and clowns! > > >> You don't have to come down!" > > >> - Sly and the Family Stone > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > >> *From:* tunga.muzik > > > >> *To:* > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >> > > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 > 12:19 AM > > >> *Subject:* ...what to go for then? > > >> > > >> Hi there, > > >> > > >> I´m also new to this community, > been playing guitar for > > >> 15 years now and have been invited > by some DJs to perform > > >> live with them. Obviously I need a > looper, and I was just > > >> about to go and get a RC-50 , but > that was before I read > > >> reviews on harmony-central, > musiciansfriend.com, loopers > > >> delight, etc.....I was excited > about going stereo, having > > >> 3 phrase tracks, such long > recording time......bla, bla, > > >> bla...........but as I would have > it mainly for live > > >> performances, just put it aside for > this moment. > > >> > > >> RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade > sound quality as more > > >> phrases are added onto previous > recorded ones, has the 2 > > >> seconds pressed pedal waiting time > to change > > >> recording/dubbing > functions......sounds not pro enough. > > >> > > >> Also read a lot about some little > issues on Digitech > > >> JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix > 2880, etc.......even > > >> the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus > got bad reviews. > > >> > > >> Sincerely....I got lost in the > middle of everything, so > > >> it got cloudy for me to define what > should I buy at this > > >> moment, what will give me condition > for a reliable and > > >> creative live performance, and also > be a smart option > > >> regarding the cost X benefit X > technology X quality issue. > > >> > > >> Counting on your expertise > people....thanks a lot. > > >> > > >> Peace. > > >> > > >> TUNGA > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> No virus found in this incoming > message. > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: > 268.10.7/411 - Release > > >> Date: 7/8/2006 > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: > 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > 7/8/2006 > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 18:19:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28A263BEE1; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=dg8slEInvkoE5EZ0iGToScemXNXE+NLFc2BHmi68KCYzXz8PXJFmUeeYQk++Bc/r/8flGG73miN5r9astjRwWo+1PdOC8OrbMSKtgbvr9FSRFFp6JmB9dSHeWae5tMXUIIBU+GR9rXH6Rr77vHbdI31fqWT7rri3dAaNMnaJubQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120608081119g695c0d5fu32c4c87ca9a5916d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:19:22 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch/software update rumor In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 10626e2bbdbf422f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! I'll do this this week and let you know the results... On 8/7/06, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/7/06 6:40:52 PM, tom@swirly.com writes: > > > > Can we get this guy's number? > > > > the number i had for tech support for boss is 323-890-3700. i spoke with > ryan. seems like a nice guy actually. just the messenger of course. > > > > > On 8/7/06, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > > i was just speaking to ryan at boss customer support. according to him, > > there is no definite rc50 software update in the works. they have > requested > > one from japan due to what he said were 2 issues specifically- the > "glitch" > > issue and what he said was a "drifting" issue when using midi sync. > perhaps > > the lack of ability to function as the "slave" in the chain? i've not > > gotten into that aspect of the unit. > > > > somewhere back in the discussion of rc-50 issues, it came up that an > update > > was in the making for sure. does anyone remember how, when that came up? > i > > felt a little foolish when he told me this. > > > > though i've now performed with the unit several times and can do the bit > of > > playing through the first beat of the playback to cover the glitch, it's > > still a pain and from what i can gather here a factor for some people not > to > > even bother with it. > > > > john > > > john -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 18:22:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7572A3BEEA; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=O1RXxDgEqouDo33ecbMuRRJI5gTHKn2GniTU54iB4I7w0uqWhJfPQNLSWwSnek9FCE5p6ayUoZIwdSfFVIcvDvrE4ZBEAs8j1SEgWWKOwL/rIMLu/c+Yk0YtFNkDKsFQ/Rga+2xrhrgsyGFLWeAPSWxw9UUQ0FvSvLIVFA5RRyM= Message-ID: <26ba8d120608081122j42eb5263x724b4fc28602c88d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:22:20 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch In-Reply-To: <003801c6ba8c$9aa80c10$d2e14744@BlackDell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010a01c6ba88$15fda1e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <003801c6ba8c$9aa80c10$d2e14744@BlackDell> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ea456916e2adc13c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:22:21 +0000 (UTC) It really depends on whether you want to start with pre-recorded loops, in which case it's fine, or you want to start with a live loop, in which case it is not. Since I don't pre-record material, I'm out of luck. Generally, it's hard to understand people who don't find this an issue. The first thing I do with a loop pedal is simply play into it and grab a loop. It doesn't do that right. /t On 8/7/06, Paul wrote: > I haven't found the 'glitch' to be a problem at all - at least for home > recording use. When building my initial loops, I don't care if I hear the > 'glitch' the first time through. Once the loops are built, I then play over > them. > > I hope that it will eventually get fixed, though, assuming that the problem > isn't insurmountable. > > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "loop.pool" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:15 PM > Subject: RC-50 glitch > > > >I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper. > > > > Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running? > > > > I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is. > > > > Can you advise me what to advise him? > > > > yours, rick > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 18:54:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFDF23BEDF; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6BB1C.05F7D7F9" Subject: RE: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:54:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <44D8C3AC.1060504@mhorse.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") Thread-Index: Aca7DIJ3imbdaF5FQsma9i8YXKnM5gAC/3jA From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6BB1C.05F7D7F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com]=20 =20 > These discussions of laptop looping are fascinating to me... =20 I think your points are sound, except perhaps for this one: =20 > And if something does go wrong, with something like the Looperlative I > can get in touch with the developer and get assistance that will cover > anything that has gone amiss.=20 =20 The Looperlative is the exception here. If your EDP or Repeater breaks down in Des Moines Iowa, who you gonna call? Assuming you can have a=20 replacement Fedexd to you, you're still looking at a day of down time, and if you need it fixed it's at least a week. =20 =20 It certainly takes planning and discipline, but if I were a touring musician I'm confident I could resurrect my entire system on a borrowed laptop in a few hours provided I could reinstall the OS. If the problem was in the audio interface, any Best Buy carries products that will do in a pinch. But you do have to know what you're doing and plan for this. =20 > Then there's the latency. Any perceptible amount seems insurmountable > to me. I wouldn't want to have to do a workaround if one day I decided > to start singing into the thing, then realizing I need to "adjust" to > compensate, as was discussed earlier this week. =20 If I understood correctly, the latency issue being discussed had nothing to do with laptops, but with the "air latency" between an accoustic instrument (such as a voice) and a monitor speaker far enough away that the speed of sound causes a perceptable delay. You would have the same problem with a dedicated hardware device. =20 Jeff ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6BB1C.05F7D7F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The = Looperlative  is the exception here.  If = your EDP=20 or  Repeater breaks
down = in Des=20 Moines Iowa, who you gonna call?  Assuming you can have a =
replacement=20 Fedexd to you, you're still looking at a day of down time,
and if you = need it=20 fixed it's at least a week. 
 
It certainly takes = planning and=20 discipline, but if I were a touring
musician I'm confident I could = resurrect=20 my entire system on a
borrowed laptop in a few hours provided I could = reinstall the OS.
If the problem was in the audio = interface, any Best Buy carries
products that will do in a pinch.  But = you do have=20 to know what
you're=20 doing and plan for this.
 
> Then there's the = latency. Any=20 perceptible amount seems insurmountable
> to me. I wouldn't want = to have=20 to do a workaround if one day I decided
> to start singing into = the thing,=20 then realizing I need to "adjust" to
> compensate, as was = discussed=20 earlier this week.
 
If I understood = correctly, the=20 latency issue being discussed had
nothing to do with laptops, but = with the=20 "air latency" between an
accoustic instrument (such as a voice) and a = monitor=20 speaker
far enough away that the speed of sound causes  a  perceptable delay.
You would have the = same problem=20 with a dedicated hardware device.
 
Jeff
------_=_NextPart_001_01C6BB1C.05F7D7F9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 18:54:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2201D3BEEA; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: e3a053dec4a3b25401a8148e3b54e648 Received-SPF: pass (tacamaca.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=tunga.muzik@terra.com.br; helo=OFFICE; Message-ID: <011701c6bb1c$074b6da0$8386000a@OFFICE> From: "tunga.muzik" To: References: <20060808181850.22336.qmail@web51014.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:54:04 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Stereo folks, stereo individual units!! For my taste the coolest is to have the possibility to create in stereo, both live and in studio. As I really like Andre Lafosse music, I´ve been doing quite some reading on the EDP. EDP is killer, but having such a killer unit in mono is quite ridiculous (I wonder Andre´s got many echoplexes, or ate least 2), and it sounds really strange Gibson having not cared about it yet. Electro Harmonix 2880 is stereo. What you guys know about it? Any actual/past owners? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Murchison" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? > Mine's got no issues with sound quality. I run it in > the loop of my amp and it's dead silent. Out front > it's hissy as hell, but that's not where I put it. > And for some reason, if I put it in front of my little > solid state Crate practice amp I don't get noise. So > it's not simply a matter of placement, either. > > Scott > >> But the Boomerang IS a choice!? If one doesn't care >> about sound quality, I guess. I bought one once and >> sent it back as it sounded very muddy. >> >> Paul >> >> ---- Joshua Carroll wrote: >> > Cool! Sounds like a fun show. >> > >> > I'm no hardware expert, but I'd look at the Gibson >> Echoplex Digital Pro >> > I know it does all you want. If you ask around on >> this list, there may >> > be one or two up for sale. If you want to do >> multiple loops with >> > separate volumes, etc., you'll have to look at the >> Looperlative or go >> > the laptop route. The Boomerang might also work. >> I believe it does >> > Verse/Chorus type "Or" loops, but I don't know if >> it has a multiply >> > function for laying longer loops over shorter >> ones. The Repeater might >> > also be cool to use with a DJ since I hear it has >> some pretty cool >> > time-stretching capabilities, but beyond that I >> don't know any of it's >> > functionality. Other people on here might be able >> to make other >> > suggestions. >> > >> > Also, be aware that I believe most of the hardware >> loopers out there are >> > mono, not stereo. >> > >> > Good luck! >> > >> > --Josh >> > >> > >> > >> > tunga.muzik wrote: >> > > Well, what do you want to do? >> > > - Mostly to be able to loop in sync to what a Dj >> is playing. >> > > >> > > Are you playing an instrument, singing, >> beatboxing? >> > > - Yes, I´d be playing guitars, bass guitar and >> singing. >> > > >> > > Is it important for you to be able to have >> seperate loops for >> > > verse/chorus type structures or to overdub >> longer phrases overtop of >> > > shorter ones? >> > > - Yes this is very important. >> > > >> > > Do you need to be able to control volumes of >> seperate loops >> > > simultaneously? >> > > - Not so important at first, but really cool. >> > > >> > > Also, it´d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I >> know, the RC-50 is >> > > the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not >> a choice now. All >> > > others I guess would cost me double to do so. >> > > >> > > --Josh >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > tunga.muzik wrote: >> > > >> > >> I´m going with the individual items idea. I >> really ain´t got the >> > >> time to try a laptop system, although that >> sure might have its >> > >> highlights. >> > >> >> > >> The purpose of question at first was >> really _to have info from >> > >> you guys who own or have owned and >> performed live_ with models >> > >> like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, >> Akai Headrush....the >> > >> standard units, cause I´ll probably go for >> one of these. Also, >> > >> it´d be so cool learning with you people >> who have performed with >> > >> a DJ, in a "live" experience. That would >> really make clear which >> > >> features can not fail, or must be reliable >> at all. >> > >> >> > >> See, at this point it´s about getting the >> coolest/best individual >> > >> unit, so that I can perform a very >> reliable/creative gig with the >> > >> DJ community and/or a stand alone act - >> have in mind I would go >> > >> for the RC-50 before reading web reviews >> about it, so it´s not >> > >> all about saving a few bucks. >> > >> >> > >> Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn´t >> consider using them as >> > >> a looper unit, as I think it´d be a limited >> choice for a serious >> > >> looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, >> again from you actual or >> > >> past owners, what about the features, sound >> quality, ease of >> > >> use of each one, which is the best? >> > >> >> > >> Thanks again. >> > >> >> > >> Peace. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> *From:* Douglas Baldwin >> >> > >> *To:* tunga.muzik >> ; >> > >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> >> >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 >> AM >> > >> *Subject:* Re: ...what to go for then? >> > >> >> > >> Hey community- >> > >> Have we ever discussed the >> difference between a looper >> > >> and a long delay? Methinks a looper can >> store a few audio >> > >> loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or >> continue on command, >> > >> and can "undo" one or more levels of >> looping. A long delay >> > >> won't do these things, but will have a >> feedback function so >> > >> loops can fade away as new material is >> added. Any more >> > >> differentiating features? >> > >> I ask this because I'm reading this >> thread, thinking, >> > >> Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great >> looper! (except it >> > >> doesn't do those "looper" things >> mentioned above) >> > >> >> > >> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >> > >> www.thecoyote.org >> >> > >> coyotelk@optonline.net >> >> > >> >> > >> "Life! Life! >> > >> Clouds and clowns! >> > >> You don't have to come down!" >> > >> - Sly and the Family Stone >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> >> > >> *From:* tunga.muzik >> >> > >> *To:* >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > >> >> >> > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 >> 12:19 AM >> > >> *Subject:* ...what to go for then? >> > >> >> > >> Hi there, >> > >> >> > >> I´m also new to this community, >> been playing guitar for >> > >> 15 years now and have been invited >> by some DJs to perform >> > >> live with them. Obviously I need a >> looper, and I was just >> > >> about to go and get a RC-50 , but >> that was before I read >> > >> reviews on harmony-central, >> musiciansfriend.com, loopers >> > >> delight, etc.....I was excited >> about going stereo, having >> > >> 3 phrase tracks, such long >> recording time......bla, bla, >> > >> bla...........but as I would have >> it mainly for live >> > >> performances, just put it aside for >> this moment. >> > >> >> > >> RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade >> sound quality as more >> > >> phrases are added onto previous >> recorded ones, has the 2 >> > >> seconds pressed pedal waiting time >> to change >> > >> recording/dubbing >> functions......sounds not pro enough. >> > >> >> > >> Also read a lot about some little >> issues on Digitech >> > >> JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix >> 2880, etc.......even >> > >> the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus >> got bad reviews. >> > >> >> > >> Sincerely....I got lost in the >> middle of everything, so >> > >> it got cloudy for me to define what >> should I buy at this >> > >> moment, what will give me condition >> for a reliable and >> > >> creative live performance, and also >> be a smart option >> > >> regarding the cost X benefit X >> technology X quality issue. >> > >> >> > >> Counting on your expertise >> people....thanks a lot. >> > >> >> > >> Peace. >> > >> >> > >> TUNGA >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> No virus found in this incoming >> message. >> > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: >> 268.10.7/411 - Release >> > >> Date: 7/8/2006 >> > >> >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: >> 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: >> > > 7/8/2006 >> > > >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: 7/8/2006 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 18:56:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 073BA3BEDE; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060808145639.qeo9l5nm70g0s8kw@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:56:39 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABDF3@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABDF3@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:56:40 +0000 (UTC) I haven't been able to follow the entire thread on this one, but I hope in the business model of this sort of venture that somebody considers compensating Jeff, especially if you're going to make money off of a laptop looper that has Mobius as it's central core. In fact I've wondered about the personal ethics of using Mobius as my primary looper, making money off my performance and not paying something for the software that enables me to do what I do. Personally, I made the choice that when I did sell off my hardware looper, I paid a portion to Jeff, I mean after all, I've paid good cash for other programs that I don't use nearly as much, and don't have as good support, and aren't as good as Mobius. So maybe the question to ask is: how much is it worth to you to have a software looper that is as good as Mobius? I believe Jeff does have a donation button on his website..... My two cents worth Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 19:09:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA0EA3BEE7; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03d801c6bb1e$3a7c3770$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABDF3@keel.sailpoint.com> <20060808145639.qeo9l5nm70g0s8kw@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:09:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <8JwHOC.A.cj.DGO2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Good points. I think what Jeff has developed is an amazing service to the looping community. He is like the software version of Bob and LP1, constantly listening to users, updating, improving, etc. Who else is doing this for us? At least, I think Jeff should put a PayPal donation section on his site to compensate his time, in case he can't charge for Mobius because of the EDP connection. I'd donate in an instant, given the benefits I'm geting out of Mobius. But sometimes developers don't like to take this route....these tools are the love of their trade, and they do it unselfishly and unconditionally. Look at all the folks wo develop Reaktor 5 ensembles and post them for free. They could charge if they wanted, but the don't. And some of these effects are mind blowing. Loopy Llama is free too....a really good software emulation of the Jamman or DL-4. So, yes, if someone were to package up Mobius or any of these free looping software programs in a notebook looping system, then I by al means it would be a good idea to talk to the owners of the programs and get their permission, or work out a deal of some sort. In fact, if someone were really serious about this, they would figure out how to get the nootbooks, conrollers, and audio interface at cost (as a retailer), so that they could offer a more competetive price and focus on more valuable services. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:56 PM Subject: RE: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" >I haven't been able to follow the entire thread on this one, but I hope in >the > business model of this sort of venture that somebody considers > compensating > Jeff, especially if you're going to make money off of a laptop looper that > has > Mobius as it's central core. > In fact I've wondered about the personal ethics of using Mobius as my > primary > looper, making money off my performance and not paying something for the > software that enables me to do what I do. Personally, I made the choice > that > when I did sell off my hardware looper, I paid a portion to Jeff, I mean > after > all, I've paid good cash for other programs that I don't use nearly as > much, > and don't have as good support, and aren't as good as Mobius. So maybe the > question to ask is: how much is it worth to you to have a software looper > that > is as good as Mobius? > I believe Jeff does have a donation button on his website..... > > My two cents worth > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 19:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4223BEF3; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:13:57 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:13:58 +0000 (UTC) >> And if something does go wrong, with something like the Looperlative I >> can get in touch with the developer and get assistance that will cover >> anything that has gone amiss. > Actually, this is exactly the reason I ended up going with a software looper. Last summer I had several shows to do and my edp went down, there was no one that could service it here in Canada, the company wanted me to ship it to Nashville and told me it would be 3 months minimum before I got it back. So I looked into the software solutions. At first I was using an old compac m300 that worked quite fine even though it had certain limitations due to the speed and ram (600mhz and 276 mgram). I did share in some of the concerns about the fragile nature of laptops in general and eventually settled on building my own rackmount computer. I was able to build a 1u rackmount p4 with a 3.06 cpu, 1 gig ram, 120 gig 7600rpm hard drive, a used aardvark q10 pci interface that has 8 decent quality mic pre's, and a small 8" touch screen monitor for about $900.00. I know the monitor is kinda of small and you don't want to do any reading with it, but this computer is only for music. no internet hookup at all. I've been using it quite a bit for 4 months now and no problems. The only thing that can fall off the rack and get damaged is the touch screen monitor and it can be replaced for about $150.00. Because it is a computer I can upgrade the motherboard, cpu, memory all with minimal problems. For me this was a great solution over the rig that I was using, gave me more flexibility and greater potentials for sounds that I was seeking to utilize. Of course there are reasons for going with hardware loopers, but for me this was the best overall solution. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 19:16:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 750843BEEC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Stefan Smulovitz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New podcast Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:16:10 -0500 Message-Id: <20060808191011.M54227@kenaxis.com> In-Reply-To: <20060808185409.8D2483BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060808185409.8D2483BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060502 X-OriginatingIP: 142.58.205.8 (kenaxis) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-yoursite-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-yoursite-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-yoursite-MailScanner-From: stefan@kenaxis.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:16:13 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, I've just started a new podcast that some of you might enjoy listening to. website: http://lotfive.ca/ feed: feed://www.kenaxis.com/lotfive/Podcast/rss.xml direct itunes link: itpc://www.kenaxis.com/lotfive/Podcast/rss.xml The first track released is a duet with Viviane Houle on Voice and myself on laptop using Kenaxis VBAP software ((http://www.kenaxis.com/) ) to loop her voice and some prerecorded samples in 8 channels. It was performed live at the Simon Fraser University Electo-acoustic show. Enjoy, Stefan Smulovitz stefan@kenaxis.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 19:23:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 049223BEF0; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8666994.1155065037462.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:23:57 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? Cc: Scott Murchison MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:23:58 +0000 (UTC) I had one of the older ones and I'm not referring to hiss but just the samp= ling/bit rate/etc. of the sound.=20 I've heard guys sound fine onstage with it but at home recording, I thought= it was too lo-fi. I wanted to like the unit as it's priced right and it's = made in the US. The new ones coming out look intriguing. -- Paul =20 ---- Scott Murchison wrote:=20 > Mine's got no issues with sound quality. I run it in > the loop of my amp and it's dead silent. Out front > it's hissy as hell, but that's not where I put it.=20 > And for some reason, if I put it in front of my little > solid state Crate practice amp I don't get noise. So > it's not simply a matter of placement, either. >=20 > Scott >=20 > > But the Boomerang IS a choice!? If one doesn't care > > about sound quality, I guess. I bought one once and > > sent it back as it sounded very muddy. > >=20 > > Paul=20 > >=20 > > ---- Joshua Carroll wrote:=20 > > > Cool! Sounds like a fun show. > > >=20 > > > I'm no hardware expert, but I'd look at the Gibson > > Echoplex Digital Pro=20 > > > I know it does all you want. If you ask around on > > this list, there may=20 > > > be one or two up for sale. If you want to do > > multiple loops with=20 > > > separate volumes, etc., you'll have to look at the > > Looperlative or go=20 > > > the laptop route. The Boomerang might also work.=20 > > I believe it does=20 > > > Verse/Chorus type "Or" loops, but I don't know if > > it has a multiply=20 > > > function for laying longer loops over shorter > > ones. The Repeater might=20 > > > also be cool to use with a DJ since I hear it has > > some pretty cool=20 > > > time-stretching capabilities, but beyond that I > > don't know any of it's=20 > > > functionality. Other people on here might be able > > to make other=20 > > > suggestions. > > >=20 > > > Also, be aware that I believe most of the hardware > > loopers out there are=20 > > > mono, not stereo. > > >=20 > > > Good luck! > > >=20 > > > --Josh > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > tunga.muzik wrote: > > > > Well, what do you want to do? > > > > - Mostly to be able to loop in sync to what a Dj > > is playing. > > > > =20 > > > > Are you playing an instrument, singing, > > beatboxing?=20 > > > > - Yes, I=C2=B4d be playing guitars, bass guitar and > > singing. > > > > =20 > > > > Is it important for you to be able to have > > seperate loops for=20 > > > > verse/chorus type structures or to overdub > > longer phrases overtop of=20 > > > > shorter ones? > > > > - Yes this is very important. > > > > =20 > > > > Do you need to be able to control volumes of > > seperate loops=20 > > > > simultaneously? > > > > - Not so important at first, but really cool. > > > > =20 > > > > Also, it=C2=B4d be cool to go stereo, but as far as I > > know, the RC-50 is=20 > > > > the only that would go stereo, and RC-50 is not > > a choice now. All=20 > > > > others I guess would cost me double to do so. > > > > > > > > --Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tunga.muzik wrote: > > > > > > > >> I=C2=B4m going with the individual items idea. I > > really ain=C2=B4t got the > > > >> time to try a laptop system, although that > > sure might have its > > > >> highlights. > > > >> =20 > > > >> The purpose of question at first was > > really _to have info from > > > >> you guys who own or have owned and > > performed live_ with models > > > >> like RC-20, RC-20XL, JamMan, Boomerang, > > Akai Headrush....the > > > >> standard units, cause I=C2=B4ll probably go for > > one of these. Also, > > > >> it=C2=B4d be so cool learning with you people > > who have performed with > > > >> a DJ, in a "live" experience. That would > > really make clear which > > > >> features can not fail, or must be reliable > > at all. > > > >> =20 > > > >> See, at this point it=C2=B4s about getting the > > coolest/best individual > > > >> unit, so that I can perform a very > > reliable/creative gig with the > > > >> DJ community and/or a stand alone act - > > have in mind I would go > > > >> for the RC-50 before reading web reviews > > about it, so it=C2=B4s not > > > >> all about saving a few bucks. > > > >> =20 > > > >> Also, the DD-20 and LINE 6 DL4, I wouldn=C2=B4t > > consider using them as > > > >> a looper unit, as I think it=C2=B4d be a limited > > choice for a serious > > > >> looper. Now thinking it as a delay unit, > > again from you actual or > > > >> past owners, what about the features, sound > > quality, ease of > > > >> use of each one, which is the best? > > > >> =20 > > > >> Thanks again. > > > >> =20 > > > >> Peace. > > > >> =20 > > > >> =20 > > > >> =20 > > > >> =20 > > > >> =20 > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> *From:* Douglas Baldwin > > > > > >> *To:* tunga.muzik > > ; > > > >> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >> =20 > > > > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:18 > > AM > > > >> *Subject:* Re: ...what to go for then? > > > >> > > > >> Hey community- > > > >> Have we ever discussed the > > difference between a looper > > > >> and a long delay? Methinks a looper can > > store a few audio > > > >> loops, can start, stop, restsart and/or > > continue on command, > > > >> and can "undo" one or more levels of > > looping. A long delay > > > >> won't do these things, but will have a > > feedback function so > > > >> loops can fade away as new material is > > added. Any more > > > >> differentiating features? > > > >> I ask this because I'm reading this > > thread, thinking, > > > >> Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great > > looper! (except it > > > >> doesn't do those "looper" things > > mentioned above) > > > >> =20 > > > >> Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > > >> www.thecoyote.org > > > > > >> coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > > >> =20 > > > >> "Life! Life! > > > >> Clouds and clowns! > > > >> You don't have to come down!" > > > >> - Sly and the Family Stone > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > > > >> *From:* tunga.muzik > > > > > >> *To:* > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > >> =20 > > > > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2006 > > 12:19 AM > > > >> *Subject:* ...what to go for then? > > > >> > > > >> Hi there, > > > >> =20 > > > >> I=C2=B4m also new to this community, > > been playing guitar for > > > >> 15 years now and have been invited > > by some DJs to perform > > > >> live with them. Obviously I need a > > looper, and I was just > > > >> about to go and get a RC-50 , but > > that was before I read > > > >> reviews on harmony-central, > > musiciansfriend.com, loopers > > > >> delight, etc.....I was excited > > about going stereo, having > > > >> 3 phrase tracks, such long > > recording time......bla, bla, > > > >> bla...........but as I would have > > it mainly for live > > > >> performances, just put it aside for > > this moment. > > > >> =20 > > > >> RC-20XL is mono, seems to degrade > > sound quality as more > > > >> phrases are added onto previous > > recorded ones, has the 2 > > > >> seconds pressed pedal waiting time > > to change > > > >> recording/dubbing > > functions......sounds not pro enough. > > > >> =20 > > > >> Also read a lot about some little > > issues on Digitech > > > >> JamMan, Boomerang, Electro Harmonix > > 2880, etc.......even > > > >> the Gibson Echoplex Digital ProPlus > > got bad reviews. > > > >> =20 > > > >> Sincerely....I got lost in the > > middle of everything, so > > > >> it got cloudy for me to define what > > should I buy at this > > > >> moment, what will give me condition > > for a reliable and > > > >> creative live performance, and also > > be a smart option > > > >> regarding the cost X benefit X > > technology X quality issue. > > > >> =20 > > > >> Counting on your expertise > > people....thanks a lot. > > > >> =20 > > > >> Peace. > > > >> =20 > > > >> TUNGA > > > >> > > > >> =20 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >> No virus found in this incoming > > message. > > > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: > > 268.10.7/411 - Release > > > >> Date: 7/8/2006 > > > >> > > > > =20 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: > > 268.10.7/411 - Release Date: > > > > 7/8/2006 > > > > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 19:24:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E18503BEF5; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UlqsPBE4SVUV5ukP2wnPsMGBAoFlyD6eAVHU95RAFaIuA/9AwfcRsSJhLEjEg8QvuwzBf8apmz28cSx9MSU4Eb9ygtPjO35lfzjAlGrhjTuxku8bpgmPgV85OURNCI44WC3g19Z29RkYgCGfZ68wS7DpnsF5LUUxFwM6dfcLd+E= ; Message-ID: <20060808192401.40152.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:24:03 +0000 (UTC) I've found Jeff (the author of Mobius) to be amazing in the support and development department. Maybe the best. In fact I was able to buy, have Toshiba configure (one month including shipping) install and configure and learn mobius on my laptop in less time than it took to have Looperlative Audio fix the bug that was preventing me from using the Looperlative for synced looping applications. Perhaps now, the looperlative has more capability than my laptop, but I got frustrated waiting. Mark --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > >> And if something does go wrong, with something > like the Looperlative I > >> can get in touch with the developer and get > assistance that will cover > >> anything that has gone amiss. > > > > Actually, this is exactly the reason I ended up > going with a software looper. > Last summer I had several shows to do and my edp > went down, there was no one > that could service it here in Canada, the company > wanted me to ship it to > Nashville and told me it would be 3 months minimum > before I got it back. So I > looked into the software solutions. At first I was > using an old compac m300 > that worked quite fine even though it had certain > limitations due to the speed > and ram (600mhz and 276 mgram). I did share in some > of the concerns about the > fragile nature of laptops in general and eventually > settled on building my own > rackmount computer. I was able to build a 1u > rackmount p4 with a 3.06 cpu, 1 > gig ram, 120 gig 7600rpm hard drive, a used aardvark > q10 pci interface > that has > 8 decent quality mic pre's, and a small 8" touch > screen monitor for about > $900.00. I know the monitor is kinda of small and > you don't want to do any > reading with it, but this computer is only for > music. no internet hookup at > all. I've been using it quite a bit for 4 months now > and no problems. The only > thing that can fall off the rack and get damaged is > the touch screen monitor > and it can be replaced for about $150.00. Because it > is a computer I can > upgrade the motherboard, cpu, memory all with > minimal problems. > For me this was a great solution over the rig that I > was using, gave me more > flexibility and greater potentials for sounds that I > was seeking to utilize. > > Of course there are reasons for going with hardware > loopers, but for me > this was > the best overall solution. > > Paul Haslem > > www.dulcify.ca > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 19:28:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DECE3BEF4; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23814418.1155065306985.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:28:26 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch Cc: Tom Ritchford MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) What do you mean by pre-recorded material? Loading the RC-50 via USB port with loops? I do live loops and I haven't noticed a problem. The one thing I don't like, however, is there doesn't seem to be a good way, that I can see, to determine the end of a loop when playing, i.e. visual feedback. When I hit the 'next loop' button for loop 2 or loop 3, I have trouble determining when the next loop is going to fire as I have END LOOP settings for indivdual loops. -- Paul ---- Tom Ritchford wrote: > It really depends on whether you want to start with pre-recorded > loops, in which case it's fine, or you want to start with a live loop, > in which case it is not. > > Since I don't pre-record material, I'm out of luck. > > Generally, it's hard to understand people who don't find this an > issue. The first thing I do with a loop pedal is simply play into it > and grab a loop. It doesn't do that right. > > /t > > > On 8/7/06, Paul wrote: > > I haven't found the 'glitch' to be a problem at all - at least for home > > recording use. When building my initial loops, I don't care if I hear the > > 'glitch' the first time through. Once the loops are built, I then play over > > them. > > > > I hope that it will eventually get fixed, though, assuming that the problem > > isn't insurmountable. > > > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "loop.pool" > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:15 PM > > Subject: RC-50 glitch > > > > > > >I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper. > > > > > > Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running? > > > > > > I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is. > > > > > > Can you advise me what to advise him? > > > > > > yours, rick > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 19:47:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFB533BEF4; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ae01c6bb23$6052dad0$6401a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "David O'Heare" To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, andLooping Gear "Packages") Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:46:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Status: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Paul: What sort of monitor did you get, and where? Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: RE: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, andLooping Gear "Packages") >>> And if something does go wrong, with something like the Looperlative I >>> can get in touch with the developer and get assistance that will cover >>> anything that has gone amiss. >> > > Actually, this is exactly the reason I ended up going with a software > looper. > Last summer I had several shows to do and my edp went down, there was no > one > that could service it here in Canada, the company wanted me to ship it to > Nashville and told me it would be 3 months minimum before I got it back. > So I > looked into the software solutions. At first I was using an old compac > m300 > that worked quite fine even though it had certain limitations due to the > speed > and ram (600mhz and 276 mgram). I did share in some of the concerns about > the > fragile nature of laptops in general and eventually settled on building my > own > rackmount computer. I was able to build a 1u rackmount p4 with a 3.06 cpu, > 1 > gig ram, 120 gig 7600rpm hard drive, a used aardvark q10 pci interface > that has > 8 decent quality mic pre's, and a small 8" touch screen monitor for about > $900.00. I know the monitor is kinda of small and you don't want to do any > reading with it, but this computer is only for music. no internet hookup > at > all. I've been using it quite a bit for 4 months now and no problems. The > only > thing that can fall off the rack and get damaged is the touch screen > monitor > and it can be replaced for about $150.00. Because it is a computer I can > upgrade the motherboard, cpu, memory all with minimal problems. > For me this was a great solution over the rig that I was using, gave me > more > flexibility and greater potentials for sounds that I was seeking to > utilize. > > Of course there are reasons for going with hardware loopers, but for me > this was > the best overall solution. > > Paul Haslem > > www.dulcify.ca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 20:47:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A2093BEDB; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8F850.9020502@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:47:12 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that's a great solution, Paul. I was wondering if anyone had done that...I know rack-mounted servers exist, but their cases are very very long. It obviously presupposes a good deal of expertise...maybe this could be combined with a good racked patchbay/interface for plugging in, and set up completely a la Krispen's ideas, and the whole thing sold in a two-space Anvil. That would make a pretty damn attractive package. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I was able to build a 1u rackmount p4 with a 3.06 cpu, 1 > gig ram, 120 gig 7600rpm hard drive, a used aardvark q10 pci interface > that has > 8 decent quality mic pre's, and a small 8" touch screen monitor for about > $900.00. I know the monitor is kinda of small and you don't want to do > any > reading with it, but this computer is only for music. no internet > hookup at > all. I've been using it quite a bit for 4 months now and no problems. > The only > thing that can fall off the rack and get damaged is the touch screen > monitor > and it can be replaced for about $150.00. Because it is a computer I can > upgrade the motherboard, cpu, memory all with minimal problems. > For me this was a great solution over the rig that I was using, gave > me more > flexibility and greater potentials for sounds that I was seeking to > utilize. > > Of course there are reasons for going with hardware loopers, but for > me this was > the best overall solution. > > Paul Haslem > > www.dulcify.ca > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 20:55:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FD8B3BECD; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D8FA22.4080708@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:54:58 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020303080300060102030905" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:55:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020303080300060102030905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, these are good points. EDP is a bit easier probably, as they can be had at a lot of music stores, the Repeater /not /so much. That'd be a good friend that would allow you to re-install their OS...! But that's good to hear that it's possible to pull things together again without too much time. Probably the caveat - as with touring in your own bus - is that you gotta know how to maintain your own stuff, especially so with a computer system. I thought the latency discussed by Rainer was that created by the laptop, but I may have misunderstood. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > The Looperlative is the exception here. If your EDP or Repeater breaks > down in Des Moines Iowa, who you gonna call? Assuming you can have a > replacement Fedexd to you, you're still looking at a day of down time, > and if you need it fixed it's at least a week. > > It certainly takes planning and discipline, but if I were a touring > musician I'm confident I could resurrect my entire system on a > borrowed laptop in a few hours provided I could reinstall the OS. > If the problem was in the audio interface, any Best Buy carries > products that will do in a pinch. But you do have to know what > you're doing and plan for this. > > > Then there's the latency. Any perceptible amount seems insurmountable > > to me. I wouldn't want to have to do a workaround if one day I decided > > to start singing into the thing, then realizing I need to "adjust" to > > compensate, as was discussed earlier this week. > > If I understood correctly, the latency issue being discussed had > nothing to do with laptops, but with the "air latency" between an > accoustic instrument (such as a voice) and a monitor speaker > far enough away that the speed of sound causes a perceptable delay. > You would have the same problem with a dedicated hardware device. > > Jeff --------------020303080300060102030905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, these are good points. EDP is a bit easier probably, as they can be had at a lot of music stores, the Repeater not so much.

That'd be a good friend that would allow you to re-install their OS...! But that's good to hear that it's possible to pull things together again without too much time.   Probably the caveat - as with touring in your own bus - is that you gotta know how to maintain your own stuff, especially so with a computer system.

I thought the latency discussed by Rainer was that created by the laptop, but I may have misunderstood.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
The Looperlative  is the exception here.  If your EDP or  Repeater breaks
down in Des Moines Iowa, who you gonna call?  Assuming you can have a
replacement Fedexd to you, you're still looking at a day of down time,
and if you need it fixed it's at least a week. 
 
It certainly takes planning and discipline, but if I were a touring
musician I'm confident I could resurrect my entire system on a
borrowed laptop in a few hours provided I could reinstall the OS.
If the problem was in the audio interface, any Best Buy carries
products that will do in a pinch.  But you do have to know what
you're doing and plan for this.
 
> Then there's the latency. Any perceptible amount seems insurmountable
> to me. I wouldn't want to have to do a workaround if one day I decided
> to start singing into the thing, then realizing I need to "adjust" to
> compensate, as was discussed earlier this week.
 
If I understood correctly, the latency issue being discussed had
nothing to do with laptops, but with the "air latency" between an
accoustic instrument (such as a voice) and a monitor speaker
far enough away that the speed of sound causes  a  perceptable delay.
You would have the same problem with a dedicated hardware device.
 
Jeff

--------------020303080300060102030905-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 21:00:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C0D53BEDC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N+sErQgZTw56pqWi3sPfVdA2piPD8OLk2ga49BPYhF3fFMQLplPXAviRNbp89nq4SO0sG0YX7DeVdjl3bqoV9sw+h62/0vuPMNhIo0Yqi4h3UU7dftvFtnAgRH7/yuQTo+wzKtTfTNW83hwuoRFTKmJqleNXUHD8hVqNOlMMrV4= ; Message-ID: <20060808210025.20479.qmail@web81314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7OKT5C.A.-jE.ptP2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:00:26 +0000 (UTC) I once figured out that the 8ms latency of a good laptop system would make it appear that your sound was happening about 2.7 meters away from its true origin. Think of it as getting a bigger studio. --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > Then there's the latency. Any perceptible amount > seems insurmountable > > to me. I wouldn't want to have to do a workaround > if one day I decided > > to start singing into the thing, then realizing I > need to "adjust" to > > compensate, as was discussed earlier this week. > > If I understood correctly, the latency issue being > discussed had > nothing to do with laptops, but with the "air > latency" between an > accoustic instrument (such as a voice) and a monitor > speaker > far enough away that the speed of sound causes a > perceptable delay. > You would have the same problem with a dedicated > hardware device. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 21:10:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 234613BEDA; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iqFeBOOr8VJmk2AtSLVdQsVbh1uo0PududciDjIaV/HHU38Uap8esLh51dAGjJ6mOhWLXePetau4PmFtIZWv7kW7sN0B3nQR86z+2v91bwLguMJAduPHisvLukgLW/1ADEgdq7vaP54/OEJdNkyFPyCpxNHnbr4Lk2BOoWXLY/A= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0608081410q13512af1x7c87b0ee60cd4f10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:10:16 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch Cc: "Tom Ritchford" In-Reply-To: <23814418.1155065306985.JavaMail.root@web19> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10832_9172715.1155071416037" References: <23814418.1155065306985.JavaMail.root@web19> Resent-Message-ID: <9URRdB.A._BF.62P2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:10:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10832_9172715.1155071416037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Agreed. I really don't feel like waiting up for Boss. I think I'm going to get 2 more Akai Headrush units to get the job done. 2006/8/8, Paul Richards : > > What do you mean by pre-recorded material? Loading the RC-50 via USB port > with loops? I do live loops and I haven't noticed a problem. > > The one thing I don't like, however, is there doesn't seem to be a good > way, that I can see, to determine the end of a loop when playing, i.e. > visual feedback. When I hit the 'next loop' button for loop 2 or loop 3, I > have trouble determining when the next loop is going to fire as I have END > LOOP settings for indivdual loops. > -- > Paul > > ---- Tom Ritchford wrote: > > It really depends on whether you want to start with pre-recorded > > loops, in which case it's fine, or you want to start with a live loop, > > in which case it is not. > > > > Since I don't pre-record material, I'm out of luck. > > > > Generally, it's hard to understand people who don't find this an > > issue. The first thing I do with a loop pedal is simply play into it > > and grab a loop. It doesn't do that right. > > > > /t > > > > > > On 8/7/06, Paul wrote: > > > I haven't found the 'glitch' to be a problem at all - at least for > home > > > recording use. When building my initial loops, I don't care if I hear > the > > > 'glitch' the first time through. Once the loops are built, I then play > over > > > them. > > > > > > I hope that it will eventually get fixed, though, assuming that the > problem > > > isn't insurmountable. > > > > > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "loop.pool" > > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:15 PM > > > Subject: RC-50 glitch > > > > > > > > > >I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box > looper. > > > > > > > > Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running? > > > > > > > > I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is. > > > > > > > > Can you advise me what to advise him? > > > > > > > > yours, rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_10832_9172715.1155071416037 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Agreed.
I really don't feel like waiting up for Boss.
I think I'm going to get 2 more Akai Headrush units to get the job done.



2006/8/8, Paul Richards < paulrichard10@adelphia.net>:
What do you mean by pre-recorded material? Loading the RC-50 via USB port with loops? I do live loops and I haven't noticed a problem.

The one thing I don't like, however, is there doesn't seem to be a good way, that I can see, to determine the end of a loop when playing, i.e. visual feedback. When I hit the 'next loop' button for loop 2 or loop 3, I have trouble determining when the next loop is going to fire as I have END LOOP settings for indivdual loops.
--
Paul

---- Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
> It really depends on whether you want to start with pre-recorded
> loops, in which case it's fine, or you want to start with a live loop,
> in which case it is not.
>
> Since I don't pre-record material, I'm out of luck.
>
> Generally, it's hard to understand people who don't find this an
> issue.  The first thing I do with a loop pedal is simply play into it
> and grab a loop.  It doesn't do that right.
>
>      /t
>
>
> On 8/7/06, Paul <paulrichard10@adelphia.net> wrote:
> > I haven't found the 'glitch' to be a problem at all - at least for home
> > recording use. When building my initial loops, I don't care if I hear the
> > 'glitch' the first time through. Once the loops are built, I then play over
> > them.
> >
> > I hope that it will eventually get fixed, though, assuming that the problem
> > isn't insurmountable.
> >
> > Paul
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com>
> > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:15 PM
> > Subject: RC-50 glitch
> >
> >
> > >I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper.
> > >
> > > Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running?
> > >
> > > I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is.
> > >
> > > Can you advise me what to advise him?
> > >
> > > yours,  rick
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>      /t
>
> http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar
> http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little...
> http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently)
>




--
kosukeweb
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Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 8080,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different"= --Apple-Mail-1-671726902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 21:33:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FFE03BEEC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AQEchYOkx3MOHdIYQbKsnMuOsfd5E3/xS9Y88vaDWYXXD4gX1w9Mi91rONCqxObo3ShDNO8rP6EgIG7uIAXNBEwp8NsNH++GyVPPbhLMS2q986lVMuE8w8b6PlsEzeCidpDd/BaTzilHqsjkR7Di+dU7tA/eKpM4+DbDMPxzzWk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7143D10D-5056-4EE9-A7D0-AABD9F8BD4EF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:33:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:33:39 +0000 (UTC) >>> And if something does go wrong, with something like the >>> Looperlative I >>> can get in touch with the developer and get assistance that will >>> cover >>> anything that has gone amiss. >> On 8 aug 2006, at 21.13, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Actually, this is exactly the reason I ended up going with a > software looper. Jup, me too. I carry back-up CD's of my software installation files, audio interface drivers and SYSEX dumps of my MIDI controllers and effect patches. Actually two copies of that back-up CD, stored into different bags (as well as on the INternet). Just the same basic instinct that makes me carry my sax mouthpiece safely in a pocket and not within the instrument bag. Spreading out the risks makes it easier to pick up the pieces and get back on track if bad things should happen. I can pick up any computer and restore my looping rig, pick up (almost) any tenor to restore my sax sound. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 21:42:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C383BEF8; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZWPaHBVWon3IFW2hatVv/yeNpRDh0nc9KSeB8HXZigo68UKplbtwqejP6SjOyWkNiEmy5/+BT+cmas2eO2piLAri5mGaC09WsYmLr0VbDP8x+ECIR5tmsLIGJ03BFGWdn5uux0SGOWUbxJOAiBkw7W1LTRxmJ0Fx3JfGwjoTpEU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABDEF@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABDEF@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:42:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC) On 8 aug 2006, at 18.45, Jeff Larson wrote: > I find that most of the time, people that complain about laptop > latency haven't tuned it properly. On a modern laptop with ASIO > drivers, you can expect to achieve latency on the order of 5 > milliseconds > and sometimes lower. I have been playing a lot live, so I can adopt to latency as a =20 musician (differently sized stages, different back-line etc). But I =20 do have a problem with latency in laptop systems and this problem has =20= to do with "bad sound" when my direct signal is being mixed with the =20 latency affected sound. I.e. the good old "phasing issue". Just =20 posting this for the record, to help people speak about the same =20 thing - or realize they don't ;-)) For my own praxis the latency =20 problem is easily fixed by not mixing any delayed instrument with my =20 direct instrument sound. Only the loops pass by through the laptop =20 and since I use Mobius they will be compensated for the short time it =20= takes the audio interface hardware to digitize my analog instrument =20 input signal (AD conversion latency) and shuffle it into Mobius as =20 well for the delay caused by the opposite process (DA conversion) =20 that makes all that digital looping madness analog again so speakers =20 will be able to move air accordingly. Then there is also the personal taste about different instruments. I =20 have a red Line-6 POD and it has a quite uncomfortable latency, so =20 "hardware" can definitely be slow. When I was going to buy a guitar =20 amp I picked the little 2x10" solid state Gallien Kr=FCger only because =20= it answered back quicker "by air" to what I was feeling by steel and =20 wood with my fingers. It felt good to not have to adapt my brain too =20 much to the latency I now experience with my fat tube amp top =20 (although that one sounds great). I think this is a matter of taste; =20 I also like it very much to play tenor sax because I can directly =20 feel the note pitch and attack with my belly (no latency guaranteed =20 since I'm quite skinny ;-). And I like playing the flute because the =20 sound source is then located close to my ears, as is the mic that is =20 providing the electronic signal for amplification. You can definitely =20= learn to play with latency, pro musicians do that every day in all =20 the symphonic orchestras. IMHO it's just not very fun ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 21:48:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77CBF3BEFB; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <048601c6bb34$58a48bb0$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABE04@keel.sailpoint.com> <20060808151357.r3xv7bpx2cskc8g8@www.wightman.ca> <7143D10D-5056-4EE9-A7D0-AABD9F8BD4EF@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:48:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:48:15 +0000 (UTC) I think the stress of my system crashing at gig or on the road would be so psychological disruptive to my creative process that I would likely just seek out a nearest music store, buy a Boss RC20 or Jamman, and just go back to basics...call it my looping version of the Derek Bailey approach! I can barely get in the right state of mind for a performance when minor stuff happens like one of my stereo channels is not coming through and I have to troubleshoot my chords...another reason why I am happy to ditch the rack. I have a very fragile psyche when it comes to experiencing technical difficulties shortly before a gig. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:33 PM Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") >>>> And if something does go wrong, with something like the Looperlative I >>>> can get in touch with the developer and get assistance that will cover >>>> anything that has gone amiss. >>> > > On 8 aug 2006, at 21.13, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > >> Actually, this is exactly the reason I ended up going with a software >> looper. > > > Jup, me too. I carry back-up CD's of my software installation files, > audio interface drivers and SYSEX dumps of my MIDI controllers and effect > patches. Actually two copies of that back-up CD, stored into different > bags (as well as on the INternet). Just the same basic instinct that > makes me carry my sax mouthpiece safely in a pocket and not within the > instrument bag. Spreading out the risks makes it easier to pick up the > pieces and get back on track if bad things should happen. I can pick up > any computer and restore my looping rig, pick up (almost) any tenor to > restore my sax sound. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 8 22:18:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96353BEE9; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fnc/swJWB4Zft5cWsMCZhpQuCFYCfGiKyWWoFVY7jwI9pEI2SK+X8/Xl1XB1hphjRZxOF2461eDS9DF/7ftHtdMJzIwYz8h/L/1W5XUbiqDD35kpSaIFt9exlBwqihkyduMk9R84RWmhVQYAjoh/xKq2kpcCUAKXEi4C8PBXwPM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44D8B8C8.7030306@infinivert.com> References: <0J3O00MUNS6O6PC0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> <033201c6bb05$5562d990$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D8B8C8.7030306@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <602565EC-DFA1-4C23-8EAE-925D12A936EC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages" Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:18:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 22:18:06 +0000 (UTC) On 8 aug 2006, at 18.16, Joshua Carroll wrote: > Actually, wouldn't Indigo would actually be faster than a firewire > system? I think CardBus is faster than Firewire (I could be wrong). Yes, an Indigo, as PCMCIA based, is faster than Firewire. But I doubt that would make any difference for looping application. Such speed matters for increased track count when doing multi track recording, which is not what you can do with a two channel Indigo card anyway. I use my Indigo Echo as the back-up interface but I perform with my RME Multiface because I like its sound better. The Multiface has a cardbus connector but is also doubling as the studio recording audio interface when hooked up to a PCI connector (card). I like it when one piece of gear can be used in many ways. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:36:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A616D3BEDB; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:36:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0526_01C6BB43.6D55F2B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:36:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0526_01C6BB43.6D55F2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic = guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what? I'm = doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers = to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has = digital effects and level control, etc: http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar = amps.=20 I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, = but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the = Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0526_01C6BB43.6D55F2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know it's off topic, but for those = loopers out=20 there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), = and if so=20 what?  I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic = guitar=20 amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for = transparency, has=20 digital effects and level control, etc:
 
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I also read up on the Roland, Fender, = Ibanez, and=20 Crate acoustic guitar amps.

I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland = Cube 30,=20 but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker.
 
Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, = through the=20 Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0526_01C6BB43.6D55F2B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:54:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F33963BEDF; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I8M53XTWN2zF1m0ki8X3LEMjGGOOaegMYnP2UrzqsKnlQTCCjQ6RT4ZcjKo5vxV8; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:00:34 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-702375018 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <5EF677C8-276C-11DB-AC53-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48688267918fac873dd3023c72b4dac882a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.117.17 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:54:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-702375018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Kris, A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER=20= amps. You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work=20 for you. http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm Good luck, joe On Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic=20= > guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 = I'm=20 > doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers=20= > to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has=20= > digital effects and level control, etc: > =A0 > http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html > =A0 > I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic=20 > guitar amps. > > I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30,=20= > but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. > =A0 > Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through=20= > the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. > =A0 > Kris > =A0 > =A0 --Apple-Mail-2-702375018 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Kris, A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER amps. You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work for you. http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm Good luck, joe On Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialI know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: =A0 = Arial0000,6666,0000http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html =A0 ArialI also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar amps. ArialI'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. =A0 Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. =A0 Kris =A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-2-702375018-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 05:59:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C56B3BEDE; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KfxBJfMdQ6+QCkz3EFuwqcKJoTYHillBSeDmzIld/FhEYXlgvAIE6clQFeOlHaAS; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:05:31 -0700 Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-702672281 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Sheila Olson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <10251B91-276D-11DB-AC53-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 573b2ac3a2420bc9f258f48946e2642d9ef193a6bfc3dd48688267918fac873d64d2aafa3911f96193fe5b2b5bb10998350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.117.17 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 05:59:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-702672281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hey, they also have a classic model http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compactclassic.htm Hi Kris, A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER=20= amps. You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work=20 for you. http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm Good luck, joeOn Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic=20= > guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 = I'm=20 > doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers=20= > to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has=20= > digital effects and level control, etc: > =A0 > http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html > =A0 > I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic=20 > guitar amps. > > I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30,=20= > but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. > =A0 > Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through=20= > the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. > =A0 > Kris > =A0 > =A0 --Apple-Mail-4-702672281 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey, they also have a classic model http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compactclassic.htm Hi Kris, A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER amps. You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work for you. http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm Good luck, joeOn Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialI know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: =A0 = Arial0000,6666,0000http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html =A0 ArialI also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar amps. ArialI'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. =A0 Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. =A0 Kris =A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-4-702672281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 06:10:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B65E3BEE6; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:10:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Excuse my ignorance In-reply-to: <44D8846F.6000605@earthwormandfire.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44D97C43.4090205@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <004901c6baa1$cf2d6ec0$8386000a@OFFICE> <20060808043709.24274.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <913728d60608072143u26360139mf8c35a5ab8dd8ce7@mail.gmail.com> <44D8846F.6000605@earthwormandfire.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Chaz Worm wrote: > I'm thinking about purchasing an RC-20xl. I'm wondering if I'll be > able to play three loops on bass(chorus, bridge, verse) and be able to > call them up while I accompany it on another instrument.(banjo). > if not, what could I do this on? Hey Chaz, IIRC, changing loops on an RC-20(XL or not XL) requires that you use your hand to turn a knob. If that's OK and the loops are prerecorded, then the RC-20(XL) will be just fine. But if you want to record each loop in real time and select which one plays without using your hands, then you'll need a different looper. Perhaps Mobius (on a laptop), Echoplex EDP, etc. Cheers, Bill Fox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 06:40:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 931123BEE8; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:40:04 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [OT] Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, Sorry for off topic. This is my Croatia Tour information in 19th -26th August. [Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia] Multimedia performance electroacoustic and video work in progress Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping) Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn) Vladimir Koncar (video installation) Sunao Inami (computer) more info: http://www.triangulizona.com http://www.cavestudio.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 19 Sat Aug '06 Live at Rijeka,Croatia MMC Palach 21:30h 35 HRK MMC Palach Kruzna 6, Rijeka Tel : (+385-51) 215 063 Fax : (+385-51) 320 868 Email : mmc@ri.htnet.hr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 20 Sun Aug '06 Live at Petrcane, Zadar,Croatia Pinija Club 22.00h free Pinija club Address : Petrcane bb HR - 23231 (Hotel Pinija beach) Tel : (+385 ) 098 30 97 39 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 22 Tue Aug '06 Live at Dubrovnik, Lazareti,Croatia Club Lazareti 22.00h 35 HRK Club Lazareti Frana Supila 8 Lazareti, HR-20000 Dubrovnik +385 20 423-497 ili +385 20 421-114 art-lazareti@du.tel.hr - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 24 Thu Aug '06 Live at Zagreb,Croatia Museum of arts and crafts 21.00h 40/50 HRK Museum of arts and crafts Trg marsala Tita 10,Zagreb tel : 091 16 85 795 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 26 Sat Aug '06 Live at Varazdin,Croatia Centar Mrazovic 22.00h free Centar Mrazovic http://www.spancirfest.com Franjevacki trg 1 tzg-varazdina@vz.t-com.hr tel 00 385 42 210-987 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com http://www.electr-ohm.com http://www.myspace.com/sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 07:21:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CCE03BEEA; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "Marcus Obst" , "Rick Walker" , "Matthias Becker" , "Matt Davignon" , "Harold Schellinx" , "Dirk Bell" , "Leander Reininghaus" , , , , Subject: OT - photos of unusual instruments Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:21:27 +0200 Message-ID: <003301c6bb84$6e6fb690$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca7hG1Hn/r55Vq9RQOl/Unrj0ZPwA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:21:41 +0000 (UTC) I know that many of us love unusual and rare instruments. If you do, this is an invitation for you: I have just set up a new flickr group for photos of unusual instruments. So if you have photos of unusual instruments, please log in to flickr (you have to become a member if you aren't already, but membership is free) and upload them. http://www.flickr.com/groups/unusualinstruments/ Here are the group rules: The photographed instruments can be acoustic or electric. Rule 1: please don't simply post photos of instruments that you don't know, or that seem exotic to you. They might not be that unusual, and they might be not that exotic in other parts of the world. A gamelan orchestra would not be considered unusual in Indonesia. Please only post photos that are really unusual and really rare, such as prototypes, self-built instruments etc. I'd say that really interesting vintage instruments (antique synthesizers etc) would also qualify. Rule 2: If possible, please add a description. Did you build the instrument yourself? If not, where did you find it? Links to websites and mp3 samples would be great I'm looking forward to your contributions! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 12:39:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C443BED5; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D9D78A.6080906@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:39:38 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D74E38.1040102@addcom.de> <013301c6ba39$726a7740$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <013301c6ba39$726a7740$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Click on th arrow and then click play. I just tried it and it plays all > the files of the folder in sequence. Though my idea was to grab randomly a file and just play a random 30 sec portion of it. It worked marvelously with a folder of Michael Manring mp3's (don't tell him that DJ Shredder is playing his music... ;-)... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 12:40:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF2563BEF3; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D9D7A0.5030206@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:40:00 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vedr. Re: Vedr. Re: reverb just on the delays References: <20060721200103.88737.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060721200103.88737.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:40:03 +0000 (UTC) rune fagereng wrote: > Any knowledge on how Hassell does this Live, and what gear he uses ? I've seen him recently in Paris and I am pretty sure he was using Eventides, don't know which model... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 12:40:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C157F3BECC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:42:57 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars In-reply-to: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ca01c6bbb1$57a8e5d0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_kyUxH4GJNKRJ81uReDeUug)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <4vvOcC.A.y7H.Mfd2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:40:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_kyUxH4GJNKRJ81uReDeUug) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I gotta say, I love my little PolyTone Mega-Brute. It's not specifically an acoustic guitar amp, and the only effect it has is reverb (plus some nicely done, finely-tunable solid-state overdrive from its "Sonic Circuit" preamp channel). However, it's really small and light (<30 pounds), and everything seems to sound good through it. I use it with my Godin nylon-string - with and without the guitar synth module, with my jazz guitar, and with my rock guitar. It has even held it's own with a rather loud full-tilt reggae band (they laughed when I walked in with it. when I played, they cried :-) ). It even can handle a preamped guitar and high-impedance microphone simultaneously at moderate volumes, so it works if I temporarily enter "singer-songmangler" mode. The synth tones sound much better than I'd expect from a guitar amp, and the nylon sound is great. And of course, it's terrific for jazz. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what? I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar amps. I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. Kris --Boundary_(ID_kyUxH4GJNKRJ81uReDeUug) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
I gotta say, I love my little PolyTone Mega-Brute. It's not specifically an acoustic guitar amp, and the only effect it has is reverb (plus some nicely done, finely-tunable solid-state overdrive from its "Sonic Circuit" preamp channel). However, it's really small and light (<30 pounds), and everything seems to sound good through it. I use it with my Godin nylon-string - with and without the guitar synth module, with my jazz guitar, and with my rock guitar. It has even held it's own with a rather loud full-tilt reggae band (they laughed when I walked in with it. when I played, they cried :-) ). It even can handle a preamped guitar and high-impedance microphone simultaneously at moderate volumes, so it works if I temporarily enter "singer-songmangler" mode. The synth tones sound much better than I'd expect from a guitar amp, and the nylon sound is great. And of course, it's terrific for jazz.
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:36 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars

I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?  I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc:
 
 
I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar amps.

I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker.
 
Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.
 
Kris
 
 
--Boundary_(ID_kyUxH4GJNKRJ81uReDeUug)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 13:05:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 746A63BEDD; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44D9DD81.7050709@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:05:05 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-XTTHB.A.yp.S2d2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for getting into this nice thread late, almost a month behind with enjoying the list... Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :) Addiction to > hardware is a serious thing. Yeah, I abbandoned this addiction some 10 years ago with the aid of AHA (the anonymus hardware addicts). Not quite clean yet, as I still use a laptop and an interface + faderboxes for my music. And Krispen, you're probably the perfect guy to found the AVA (Anonymus VST addicts)... Let us know when you set up the first AVA web site, I don't have problems yet, but I am seriously in danger - I should get into MAMA (Many Anonymus Max Addicts) with Jeff probably as well... I made a VST-morphing patch recently to morph between VST's or VST presets. As soon its cleaned up I'll post it. Don't know how much interest this would create... (I still resist to join ALDA by the way, though I am an addict... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:12:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D5F83BEDC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:12:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <37f.9054c7e.320b4748@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:12:24 EDT Subject: Re: ...what to go for then? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_37f.9054c7e.320b4748_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5RO3iB.A.J0D.L1e2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:12:28 +0000 (UTC) --part1_37f.9054c7e.320b4748_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/8/06 1:21:25 PM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net writes: > But the Boomerang IS a choice!? If one doesn't care about sound quality, I > guess. I bought one once and sent it back as it sounded very muddy. > perhaps you didn't set it up properly (trim level).....in fact i would recomend one of the "buggy" rangs, under $300.....no midi nothing though.....i can't wait for the new rang.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_37f.9054c7e.320b4748_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/8/06 1:21:25 PM, paulrichard10@adelphia.net writes:


But the Boomerang IS=20= a choice!? If one doesn't care about sound quality, I guess. I bought one on= ce and sent it back as it sounded very muddy.


perhaps you didn't set it up properly (trim level).....in fact i would re= comend one of the "buggy" rangs, under $300.....no midi nothing though.....i= can't wait for the new rang.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
--part1_37f.9054c7e.320b4748_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:18:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0673BEFA; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <563.3f7afeb.320b48bb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:18:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OT] Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_563.3f7afeb.320b48bb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:18:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_563.3f7afeb.320b48bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/06 2:40:33 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes: > This is my Croatia Tour information in 19th -26th August. > i am sooooo envious!.....what great fellows, ivan and andrej.....i love their music as well as yours sunao.....i want to come!.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_563.3f7afeb.320b48bb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/9/06 2:40:33 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes:


This is my Croatia To= ur information in 19th -26th August.


i am sooooo envious!.....what great fellows, ivan and andrej.....i love t= heir music as well as yours sunao.....i want to come!.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11
--part1_563.3f7afeb.320b48bb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:19:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01083BEFE; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <5EF677C8-276C-11DB-AC53-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> References: <5EF677C8-276C-11DB-AC53-000393CA38DE@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-732321965 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 07:19:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:19:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-732321965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Our bass player (www.marionbass.com) uses a little AER amp and it=20 sounds incredibly good! Teeny tiny but very big sound. Expensive,=20 though ($3K!). Let me know if you find a good price on AER stuff. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Aug-06, at 11:00 PM, Sheila Olson wrote: > Hi Kris, > > A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER=20= > amps. > > You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work=20= > for you. > > http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm > > Good luck, > > joe > On Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic=20= >> guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0=20= >> I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar=20 >> amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for=20 >> transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: >> =A0 >> http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html >> =A0 >> I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic=20 >> guitar amps. >> >> I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube=20 >> 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. >> =A0 >> Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through=20= >> the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. >> =A0 >> Kris >> =A0 >> =A0 --Apple-Mail-1-732321965 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Our bass player (www.marionbass.com) uses a little AER amp and it sounds incredibly good! Teeny tiny but very big sound. Expensive, though ($3K!). Let me know if you find a good price on AER stuff. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Aug-06, at 11:00 PM, Sheila Olson wrote: Hi Kris, A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER amps. You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work for you. http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm Good luck, joe On Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialI know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: =A0 = Arial0000,6665,0000http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html =A0 ArialI also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar amps. ArialI'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. =A0 Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. =A0 Kris =A0 =A0 = --Apple-Mail-1-732321965-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:27:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C97E3BF04; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:27:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006901c6bbbf$f3031150$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00ca01c6bbb1$57a8e5d0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: Re: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:27:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C6BB8D.A77A22A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:27:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C6BB8D.A77A22A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageI've read a few news group threads by jazzers suggesting that the = Polytones, especially the old ones, were good for nylong strings. That's = interesting, for a non-full range speaker, but not surprising. I may = come back to this one, being a huge Polytone amp. It just gives me an = excuse to buy one! Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Sirota=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:42 AM Subject: RE: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars I gotta say, I love my little PolyTone Mega-Brute. It's not = specifically an acoustic guitar amp, and the only effect it has is = reverb (plus some nicely done, finely-tunable solid-state overdrive from = its "Sonic Circuit" preamp channel). However, it's really small and = light (<30 pounds), and everything seems to sound good through it. I use = it with my Godin nylon-string - with and without the guitar synth = module, with my jazz guitar, and with my rock guitar. It has even held = it's own with a rather loud full-tilt reggae band (they laughed when I = walked in with it. when I played, they cried :-) ). It even can handle a = preamped guitar and high-impedance microphone simultaneously at moderate = volumes, so it works if I temporarily enter "singer-songmangler" mode. = The synth tones sound much better than I'd expect from a guitar amp, and = the nylon sound is great. And of course, it's terrific for jazz. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String = Guitars I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using = acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so = what? I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar = amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for = transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic = guitar amps.=20 I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube = 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through = the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C6BB8D.A77A22A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I've read a few news group threads by = jazzers=20 suggesting that the Polytones, especially the old ones, were good for = nylong=20 strings. That's interesting, for a non-full range speaker, but not=20 surprising.  I may come back to this one, being a huge Polytone = amp. It=20 just gives me an excuse to buy one!
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Warren=20 Sirota
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, = 2006 6:42=20 AM
Subject: RE: Small/Light = Acoustic Guitar=20 Amps for Nylon String Guitars

I=20 gotta say, I love my little PolyTone Mega-Brute. It's not specifically = an=20 acoustic guitar amp, and the only effect it has is reverb (plus some = nicely=20 done, finely-tunable solid-state overdrive from its "Sonic Circuit" = preamp=20 channel). However, it's really small and light (<30 pounds), and=20 everything seems to sound good through it. I use it with my = Godin=20 nylon-string - with and without the guitar synth module, with my jazz = guitar,=20 and with my rock guitar. It has even held it's own with a rather loud=20 full-tilt reggae band (they laughed when I walked in with it. when I = played,=20 they cried :-) ). It even can handle a preamped guitar and = high-impedance=20 microphone simultaneously at moderate volumes, so it works if I = temporarily=20 enter "singer-songmangler" mode. The synth tones sound much better = than I'd=20 expect from a guitar amp, and the nylon sound is great. And of course, = it's=20 terrific for jazz.
 
Best=20 wishes,
Warren=20 Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: = Krispen=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, = August=20 09, 2006 1:36 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = Small/Light=20 Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars

I know it's off topic, but for = those loopers=20 out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps = (not PA),=20 and if so what?  I'm doing research and found about 10 = different=20 acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good = reviews=20 for transparency, has digital effects and level control, = etc:
 
http://= www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html
 
I also read up on the Roland, = Fender, Ibanez,=20 and Crate acoustic guitar amps.

I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the = Roland Cube=20 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker.
 
Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, = through=20 the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C6BB8D.A77A22A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:31:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AB983BF0A; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c6bbc0$7bd37b50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00ca01c6bbb1$57a8e5d0$0302a8c0@Lightning> Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:31:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6BB8E.3056C1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:31:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6BB8E.3056C1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageAh hah...the Mini-Brute V...looks like it can come configured = with a horn for acoustic guitars. Mini-Brute V Extreme versatility in a small lightweight package. Acoustic = Reflections - a stereo-like effect. This amp is perfect for someone that has a nice acoustic guitar and = would like the versatility of a switchable tweeter to reproduce those = high frequencies !! 140 watts RMS 2 separate independent channels: Ch. 1 features the "Edge" MASTER VOLUME 2 Inputs per channel - Hi & Lo Gain Boost/Cut Switch per channel 3 spring Hammond Reverb 3 position switch for reverb for Ch. 1, Ch 2 or both Normal/Combine and Horn on/off switches Jacks for Preamp Signal Out and Stereo Footswitch Remote control of Reverb and "EDGE" Lower rear panel jacks for Ext. Spkr & headphone Available in either 12" or 15" spkr with a switchable horn !! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Sirota=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 6:42 AM Subject: RE: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars I gotta say, I love my little PolyTone Mega-Brute. It's not = specifically an acoustic guitar amp, and the only effect it has is = reverb (plus some nicely done, finely-tunable solid-state overdrive from = its "Sonic Circuit" preamp channel). However, it's really small and = light (<30 pounds), and everything seems to sound good through it. I use = it with my Godin nylon-string - with and without the guitar synth = module, with my jazz guitar, and with my rock guitar. It has even held = it's own with a rather loud full-tilt reggae band (they laughed when I = walked in with it. when I played, they cried :-) ). It even can handle a = preamped guitar and high-impedance microphone simultaneously at moderate = volumes, so it works if I temporarily enter "singer-songmangler" mode. = The synth tones sound much better than I'd expect from a guitar amp, and = the nylon sound is great. And of course, it's terrific for jazz. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 1:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String = Guitars I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using = acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so = what? I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar = amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for = transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic = guitar amps.=20 I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube = 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through = the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6BB8E.3056C1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ah hah...the Mini-Brute V...looks like = it can come=20 configured with a horn for acoustic guitars.
 

Mini-Brute = V

Extreme versatility in a small lightweight package.  Acoustic=20 Reflections - a stereo-like effect.

This amp is perfect for someone that has a nice acoustic guitar and = would=20 like the versatility of a switchable tweeter to reproduce = those=20 high frequencies !!

140 watts RMS
2 separate independent channels:
Ch. 1 features = the=20 "Edge"
MASTER VOLUME
2 Inputs per channel - Hi & Lo = Gain
Boost/Cut=20 Switch per channel
3 spring Hammond Reverb
3 position switch for = reverb=20 for Ch. 1, Ch 2 or both
Normal/Combine and Horn on/off = switches
Jacks for=20 Preamp Signal Out and Stereo Footswitch
Remote control of Reverb and=20 "EDGE"
Lower rear panel jacks for Ext. Spkr & = headphone
Available in=20 either 12" or 15" spkr  with a switchable horn !!

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Warren=20 Sirota
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, = 2006 6:42=20 AM
Subject: RE: Small/Light = Acoustic Guitar=20 Amps for Nylon String Guitars

I=20 gotta say, I love my little PolyTone Mega-Brute. It's not specifically = an=20 acoustic guitar amp, and the only effect it has is reverb (plus some = nicely=20 done, finely-tunable solid-state overdrive from its "Sonic Circuit" = preamp=20 channel). However, it's really small and light (<30 pounds), and=20 everything seems to sound good through it. I use it with my = Godin=20 nylon-string - with and without the guitar synth module, with my jazz = guitar,=20 and with my rock guitar. It has even held it's own with a rather loud=20 full-tilt reggae band (they laughed when I walked in with it. when I = played,=20 they cried :-) ). It even can handle a preamped guitar and = high-impedance=20 microphone simultaneously at moderate volumes, so it works if I = temporarily=20 enter "singer-songmangler" mode. The synth tones sound much better = than I'd=20 expect from a guitar amp, and the nylon sound is great. And of course, = it's=20 terrific for jazz.
 
Best=20 wishes,
Warren=20 Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: = Krispen=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, = August=20 09, 2006 1:36 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: = Small/Light=20 Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars

I know it's off topic, but for = those loopers=20 out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps = (not PA),=20 and if so what?  I'm doing research and found about 10 = different=20 acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good = reviews=20 for transparency, has digital effects and level control, = etc:
 
http://= www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html
 
I also read up on the Roland, = Fender, Ibanez,=20 and Crate acoustic guitar amps.

I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the = Roland Cube=20 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker.
 
Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, = through=20 the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C6BB8E.3056C1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:35:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04F513BF17; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAON2USBUYkgCxMG Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060809145513.01b90008@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:21:07 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) In-Reply-To: <20060809124045.2B4A83BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060809124045.2B4A83BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <1Vl0LC.A.LgH.aKf2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:35:06 +0000 (UTC) "There seem to be two main attitudes to the instrument among improvisors. One is that the instrument is man's best friend, both as a tool and a helper; a collaborator. The other attitude is that the instrument is unnecessary, at worst a liability, intruding between the player and his music." ...Derek Bailey in "Improvisation, It's Nature and Practise in Music". So I take that to mean that the instrument is either a means to produce "the correct notes", or that is something that can be explored to find new sounds and new music. Musicians who develop extended technique presumably have a certain curiosity about their instrument which is not shared by others. It struck me too that this applies to looping, there seem to be a lot of loopers who want their looping gear to perform in certain pre-defined ways, and not many who are not tempted to experiment/improvise with the looping device itself. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 14:46:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9FC43BEFC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-733890184 Message-Id: From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:45:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:46:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-733890184 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ultrasound AG-50DS3 gets my vote. Lightweight, great sound, lots of=20 ins/ outs. Been using one for a year now and hasn't let me down on any=20= front yet. Very versatile. Recently picked up a Traynor YCV20 II for=20= that tube amp sound (retubed w/ eurotubes) and it's another fantastic=20 amp in a small package - same ins/outs, sends etc as the ultrasound=20 though a little heavier. - Paul On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic=20= > guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 = I'm=20 > doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers=20= > to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has=20= > digital effects and level control, etc: > =A0 > http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html > =A0 > I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic=20 > guitar amps. > > > I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30,=20= > but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. > =A0 > Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through=20= > the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. > =A0 > Kris > =A0 > =A0= --Apple-Mail-1-733890184 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ultrasound AG-50DS3 gets my vote. Lightweight, great sound, lots of ins/ outs. Been using one for a year now and hasn't let me down on any front yet. Very versatile. Recently picked up a Traynor YCV20 II for that tube amp sound (retubed w/ eurotubes) and it's another fantastic amp in a small package - same ins/outs, sends etc as the ultrasound though a little heavier. - Paul On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialI know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html =A0 ArialI also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar amps. ArialI'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. Arial=A0 ArialPlayed my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. =A0 ArialKris =A0 =A0= --Apple-Mail-1-733890184-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 15:27:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DC8A3BF07; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a401c6bbc8$62613970$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060809124045.2B4A83BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809145513.01b90008@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:27:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:27:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a really interesting quote, Andy. I think I vacillate between the two approaches, but the older and more seasoned I get a human being and musician, the more I tend to resonate well with the approach that the instrument is only a tool and not essential for improvisation. This is because I consider improvisation not just something inextricably tied to music, but a way of life and approaching the world, both physically and intellectually. Sometimes I find it just as gratifying to set the guitar down and vocalize through a mic and my looping setup....or pickup a drum like a kinjira, or whatever. I'd rather have the improv music be defined by my own creativity and mind rather than the instrument. Years ago, I would have said something different and much more idealistic (naive?), suggesting that I have this faithful bond with my instrument (gear worship) as if I have become one with it, more obsessed with the means and object rather than the end....but afterall, it is just a material thing made out of wood and metal. If I lost the use of my hands tomorrow, I'd still be looping the next month at gigs...but with my voice, feet, and whatever I can find to express myself. You could disconnect my brain from my body and keep it alive it in a vat, and I'd still improvise musically in my mind. With this approach, nothing can come between the player and his music, because they are both internal and part of one's psyche. I agree, this all applies to looping as you say. We often get so obsessed in the features and functionality of our looping systems, but in the end it seems that one can ultimately sit down and do some amazing and creative things with an utterly basic system or one that is complex. I love my laptop because of its power and flexibility, but if you gave me nothing but an acoustic guitar and a 30 second delay unit with infinite feedback, I'd made it work. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) > "There seem to be two main attitudes to the instrument among improvisors. > One is that the instrument is man's best friend, both as a tool and a > helper; a collaborator. The other attitude is that the instrument is > unnecessary, at worst a liability, intruding between the player and his > music." > ...Derek Bailey in "Improvisation, It's Nature and Practise in Music". > > So I take that to mean that the instrument is either a means to produce > "the correct notes", or that is something that can be explored to find new > sounds and new music. > Musicians who develop extended technique presumably have a certain > curiosity about their instrument which is not shared by others. > > > > It struck me too that this applies to looping, there seem to be a lot of > loopers who want their looping gear to perform in certain pre-defined > ways, and not many who are not tempted to experiment/improvise with the > looping device itself. > > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 15:41:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E3B63BEDF; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FOPrDhlwbK2eVOOIUFos7GdPq0C4kr3iD9heOILCFkS1NWrupBMmsWJAKWeZt0o/QreYIsirls4JJEIsC4TFJh3NeykYParXQGKRsT/mAtJOCl5QAEA9Fn3dcfd8c32WA84S/Wi7kPpfuoQIYL1wzWcbBjYiDQy+422OpYBBJsI= ; Message-ID: <20060809154101.92329.qmail@web34306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: OT: AER was OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-860213501-1155138061=:91743" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:41:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-860213501-1155138061=:91743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I heard Dave Young play through one and some players on the bassist list-serv's I'm on have played through these amps as well. All say it's a sweet sound but, yes, not for the faint of wallet... ted harms. Richard Sales wrote: Our bass player (www.marionbass.com) uses a little AER amp and it sounds incredibly good! Teeny tiny but very big sound. Expensive, though ($3K!). Let me know if you find a good price on AER stuff. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 8-Aug-06, at 11:00 PM, Sheila Olson wrote: > Hi Kris, > > A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER > amps. > > You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work > for you. > > http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm > > Good luck, > > joe > On Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic >> guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what? >> I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar >> amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for >> transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: >> >> http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html >> >> I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic >> guitar amps. >> >> I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube >> 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. >> >> Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through >> the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. >> >> Kris >> >> --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-860213501-1155138061=:91743 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I heard Dave Young play through one and some players on the bassist list-serv's I'm on have played through these amps as well.  All say it's a sweet sound but, yes, not for the faint of wallet...
 
 
ted harms.


Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Our bass player (www.marionbass.com) uses a little AER amp and it
sounds incredibly good! Teeny tiny but very big sound. Expensive,
though ($3K!). Let me know if you find a good price on AER stuff.

richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 8-Aug-06, at 11:00 PM, Sheila Olson wrote:

> Hi Kris,
>
> A while back I ran across a site that had good things to say about AER
> amps.
>
> You might want to check them out. I think their compact 60 might work
> for you.
>
> http://www.aer-amps.de/Sites/sites_ENG/productpages/compact60.htm
>
> Good luck,
>
> joe
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2006, at 10:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
>
>> I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic
>> guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what? 
>> I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar
>> amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for
>> transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc:
>>  
>> http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html
>>  
>> I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic
>> guitar amps.
>>
>> I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube
>> 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker.
>>  
>> Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through
>> the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal.
>>  
>> Kris
>>  
>>  


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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --0-860213501-1155138061=:91743-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 16:10:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 546DD3BED6; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BnURInxOOLeVN5XIzCgttyPazk8DyGQgjZKppLvK6/d58uSZaRXj8GHmiGlpW1C1aw9lf6vlY+HglhTTupa7M8PD9p4u7rTUVb7DVJBuB+9rytATX2Fw9WwyCLoxbx8jQuBZ38ObIEVU+7UFnMrv7B1l7x2syTQ5n0ymVuXt52c= Message-ID: <913728d60608090910x75718dc8u646fbf76bf54401a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:10:24 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: live looping concerts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <_ukOqC.A.ChD.yjg2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Hello all! i don't mean to ruffle any feathers, but i am also a jamband fan, and i love live concerts. One thing about a good jamband is that you can go see them many times and never see the same concert twice...not because of a large library of songs, but because a lot of them improvise and play different lines a lot. Because of this (and there are probably other reasons too) jambands are ok with tapers, and don't mind if you record an entire concert and put it on the internet. I know with bands like Phish and Grateful Dead they played a lot of covers and jammed on those, and then there are bands like Jacob Fred Jazz Oddysey (a great band to check out...they even are slowly getting onto looping!) and Cream (well, i know they aren't a jamband, but they were known to jam on a song for 20-30 minutes...check out live cream vol. I and II) and they only started a familiar song's hook or just laid out the structure at the beginning, but the song would be played completly different then what was on the studio version, and that would be good for fans of the band, because its a wealth of unreleased material :) What does this have to do with looping? well, i know with my looping and i am sure this is the case for at least 50% of the loopers here that i hardly ever play the same thing twice. what i play is largely dependent on how i am feeling at the moment. So i was just wondering if there is anywhere on the internet that shares any live looping concerts (that are ok'ed by the band)? Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 16:49:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A3ED3BED5; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: (beginners' best loopers) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:49:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002401c6bbd3$ce1257c0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca69aVRYUdS0QNmQMifTg5ccjMIfwA3TuhQ In-Reply-To: <009b01c6baf5$d70f5d20$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: <1ES2UD.A.obF.pIh2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:49:46 +0000 (UTC) > I ask this because I'm reading this thread, thinking, Boss DD-20! Boss DD-20! Makes a great looper! (except it doesn't > do those "looper" things mentioned above) I'd like to second the DD20 recommendation. Having played around a little with mine (together with an OD-2 and a guitar, it's my "quick and dirty mini loop setup"), my experience is that 1) the so-called "sound on sound" mode is not that useful. They obviously didn't make use of the optional footswitch here. 2) having two different delay effects at once is just killer! I only wish there was a mode where you could return to your first delay... 3) about the coolest thing is that if you use one of the normal delay modes, you got a proper looper, even with adjustable feedback (in the way the standard EDP mode works). And you can do unrounded multiplys, simply by tapping a new tempo when the delay is already filled. I'm currently thinking about a possible super-small, super-powerful looping setup. It might be e.g. VF-1, DL4 and DD20. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 16:51:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A04FB3BECC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:53:39 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars In-reply-to: <007001c6bbc0$7bd37b50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <015301c6bbd4$5d0494c0$0302a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0Nt8OaZZpDcA9D4h9PJU6g)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:51:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_0Nt8OaZZpDcA9D4h9PJU6g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT yeah, but that page doesn't show the weight. I don't know what "lightweight" means to you, but it means lighter and lighter every year for me... Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:31 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Ah hah...the Mini-Brute V...looks like it can come configured with a horn for acoustic guitars. Mini-Brute V --Boundary_(ID_0Nt8OaZZpDcA9D4h9PJU6g) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
yeah, but that page doesn't show the weight. I don't know what "lightweight" means to you, but it means lighter and lighter every year for me...
 
 
Best wishes,
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 10:31 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars

Ah hah...the Mini-Brute V...looks like it can come configured with a horn for acoustic guitars.
 

Mini-Brute V

--Boundary_(ID_0Nt8OaZZpDcA9D4h9PJU6g)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 16:58:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34783BEDC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KwaeJ3DKMFQM5fUImBy3q4K8T1XUTOvRF4q7LZOsLcOEOkECOoW1kQDGckvYMXzajUlw9+1sVhiy/ugQqQquskxc9GK7iUlcxNPydaRTF1SADnm9GCywn6nwH7CmyadqeGUKb8RpQNGNsTMvRvYeHcpWkKod7KyMMQEF8JJgUbo= ; Message-ID: <20060809165828.85592.qmail@web81315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS Products, Services, and Looping Gear "Packages") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <048601c6bb34$58a48bb0$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:58:29 +0000 (UTC) I hear you. It was my intention to get an RC-50 for just such an event... until I found out it's sync capabilities sucked. My idea was if I had one real synth with sequencing (Alesis Micron) and a MIDI syncable looper the show would go on and no one would be the wiser. It's actually got me thinking that I might fashion a dedicated MIDI control pedal and velcro my Repeater to it. Wouldn't be that big if I used something like the MIDI Buddy. Put it in some sort of case and there you have it. I could make a lot of noise with a Repeater, Micron and a guitar. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I think the stress of my system crashing at gig or > on the road would be so > psychological disruptive to my creative process that > I would likely just > seek out a nearest music store, buy a Boss RC20 or > Jamman, and just go back > to basics...call it my looping version of the Derek > Bailey approach! I can > barely get in the right state of mind for a > performance when minor stuff > happens like one of my stereo channels is not coming > through and I have to > troubleshoot my chords...another reason why I am > happy to ditch the rack. I > have a very fragile psyche when it comes to > experiencing technical > difficulties shortly before a gig. > > K- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: Looping Laptops in general (WAS > Products, Services, and Looping > Gear "Packages") > > > >>>> And if something does go wrong, with something > like the Looperlative I > >>>> can get in touch with the developer and get > assistance that will cover > >>>> anything that has gone amiss. > >>> > > > > On 8 aug 2006, at 21.13, phaslem@wightman.ca > wrote: > > > >> Actually, this is exactly the reason I ended up > going with a software > >> looper. > > > > > > Jup, me too. I carry back-up CD's of my software > installation files, > > audio interface drivers and SYSEX dumps of my MIDI > controllers and effect > > patches. Actually two copies of that back-up CD, > stored into different > > bags (as well as on the INternet). Just the same > basic instinct that > > makes me carry my sax mouthpiece safely in a > pocket and not within the > > instrument bag. Spreading out the risks makes it > easier to pick up the > > pieces and get back on track if bad things should > happen. I can pick up > > any computer and restore my looping rig, pick up > (almost) any tenor to > > restore my sax sound. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 16:59:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D16AD3BEC2; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-741894224 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:59:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:59:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-741894224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed For me, it's the pickup that counts in an acoustic instrument! I use=20 the K&K Trinity Plus (3 way) and it sounds incredible through my very=20 very old Panaramic (Magnatone) tube amp. Mike Gillies, engineer for=20 Metallica, when he heard our guitars with K&Ks said, "You don't need=20 mic's" (for recording). This was so disappointing because I'd just=20 bought $9K worth of mics for just that! I heard Kelly Joe Phelps using=20= a Sunrise that sounded good through the PA. I know that last I saw Leo=20= Kottke was using a Fender Deluxe Reverb. I really respect his talent=20 and ears. Haven't heard the Ultrasounds... but I've heard good things about them.=20= If they're made by the guys who used to own Ultrasound PA company (Bay=20= Area) they MUST be very good. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Aug-06, at 7:45 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Ultrasound AG-50DS3 gets my vote. Lightweight, great sound, lots of=20= > ins/ outs. Been using one for a year now and hasn't let me down on=20 > any front yet. Very versatile. Recently picked up a Traynor YCV20 II=20= > for that tube amp sound (retubed w/ eurotubes) and it's another=20 > fantastic amp in a small package - same ins/outs, sends etc as the=20 > ultrasound though a little heavier. - Paul > > On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic=20= >> guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0=20= >> I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar=20 >> amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for=20 >> transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: >> =A0 >> http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html >> =A0 >> I also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic=20 >> guitar amps. >> >> >> I'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube=20 >> 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. >> =A0 >> Played my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through=20= >> the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. >> =A0 >> Kris >> =A0 >> =A0= --Apple-Mail-3-741894224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 For me, it's the pickup that counts in an acoustic instrument! I use the K&K Trinity Plus (3 way) and it sounds incredible through my very very old Panaramic (Magnatone) tube amp. Mike Gillies, engineer for Metallica, when he heard our guitars with K&Ks said, "You don't need mic's" (for recording). This was so disappointing because I'd just bought $9K worth of mics for just that! I heard Kelly Joe Phelps using a Sunrise that sounded good through the PA. I know that last I saw Leo Kottke was using a Fender Deluxe Reverb. I really respect his talent and ears. Haven't heard the Ultrasounds... but I've heard good things about them. If they're made by the guys who used to own Ultrasound PA company (Bay Area) they MUST be very good. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 9-Aug-06, at 7:45 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: Ultrasound AG-50DS3 gets my vote. Lightweight, great sound, lots of ins/ outs. Been using one for a year now and hasn't let me down on any front yet. Very versatile. Recently picked up a Traynor YCV20 II for that tube amp sound (retubed w/ eurotubes) and it's another fantastic amp in a small package - same ins/outs, sends etc as the ultrasound though a little heavier. - Paul On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialI know it's off topic, but for those loopers out there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you using amps (not PA), and if so what?=A0 I'm doing research and found about 10 different acoustic guitar amplifiers to choose from. This one had some good reviews for transparency, has digital effects and level control, etc: =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEDhttp://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/UltrasoundAG-50DS3.html =A0 ArialI also read up on the Roland, Fender, Ibanez, and Crate acoustic guitar amps. ArialI'm looking for a very small amp, like the size of the Roland Cube 30, but full range with a tweeter or coaxial speaker. Arial=A0 ArialPlayed my new Taylor nylon string at my jazz gig last night, through the Roland Cube 30...not bad, but not ideal. =A0 ArialKris =A0 =A0= --Apple-Mail-3-741894224-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 17:33:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A87DA3BED3; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:34:52 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: (beginners' best loopers) To: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002901c6bbda$2e549e80$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002401c6bbd3$ce1257c0$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:33:47 +0000 (UTC) "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" wrote: > I'm currently thinking about a possible super-small, super-powerful looping > setup. It might be e.g. VF-1, DL4 and DD20. Yeah! I'm using a Boss GT-3 (essentially a floor-pedal VF-1), a Digitech Whammy, and two DD-20s. I never tire of the possibilities. I bet a clever shopper could put these pices of gear together for around $500. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 17:56:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB7973BEC1; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAABW+2USBUYkgAgsRBg Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:50:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) In-Reply-To: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6Lj-_B.A.qvD.mHi2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: >This is because I consider improvisation not just something >inextricably tied to music, but a way of life and approaching the >world, both physically and intellectually. I'd rather have the >improv music be defined by my own creativity and mind rather than >the instrument. The instrument is a set of unrealised possibilities, just waiting to be unlocked by a creative person. Whether the instrument is a guitar, a hand-drum, a looping device or just the stuff in your head. ( ah... that'll get him going :-) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 17:59:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1519E3BEDC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=G4fu4yU1D+zxnswehr8/zf79BsDy8Hm12nOqAjniZNoLn12T4YAVgTErqsUDbL67nFyf2ev6JQNDo7mWRuZGhu6iBUIsPZwtKis8nTXTV6rtv+cekfXBsr0dtbacP2qX5Ee/s5cG2CwvQ3VK2cSxu9JL+K5jlT4tnPgYKLOO+JI= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0608091058p5f7b66bcr17646e8f41d9731d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:58:48 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: electro-harmonix 2880 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22245_4165932.1155146328435" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:59:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_22245_4165932.1155146328435 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880. In the manual it says that after recording your first new loop the 2880 advances automatically to record onto track 2. that means all overdubs will go to track 2. can you setup the 2880 so that after you've recorded your first new loop on track 1 you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell out of track 1 before moving onto track 2 and beyond? thanks for your help. -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_22245_4165932.1155146328435 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880.
In the manual it says that after recording your first new loop
the 2880 advances automatically to record onto track 2.

that means all overdubs will go to track 2.

can you setup the 2880 so that after you've recorded your first new loop on track 1
you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell out of track 1 before moving onto track 2 and beyond?

thanks for your help.

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_22245_4165932.1155146328435-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 18:03:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FEFD3BEDC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <5f9cc78e69bcff8a6858e660d3480649@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:03:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:03:22 +0000 (UTC) One of my favorite reviews (LA Weekly's Greg Burk) said this: "Jeff=20 Kaiser's trumpet is nearly incidental to his overall concept"...... That actually made me happy. It seem's that many people's musical identities are tied to their=20 instrument....but what really counts is the music....and the source of=20= that (in a player) is always internal, away from the instrument.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Aug 9, 2006, at 10:50 AM, a k butler wrote: > Kris wrote: >> This is because I consider improvisation not just something=20 >> inextricably tied to music, but a way of life and approaching the=20 >> world, both physically and intellectually. I'd rather have the=20 >> improv music be defined by my own creativity and mind rather than the=20= >> instrument. > > The instrument is a set of unrealised possibilities, > just waiting to be unlocked by a creative person. > > Whether the instrument is a guitar, a hand-drum, a looping device or=20= > just the stuff in your head. > > ( ah... that'll get him going :-) > > andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 18:43:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04383BEC2; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0608091058p5f7b66bcr17646e8f41d9731d@mail.gmail.com> References: <55e79c0d0608091058p5f7b66bcr17646e8f41d9731d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:43:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: electro-harmonix 2880 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1056973510==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: <-K5YlB.A.4nB.7yi2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:43:07 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1056973510==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If you press play after recording the first pass, track 2 will go into record ready. If you press the track select button you can re-select track 1 and continue overdubbing >I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880. >In the manual it says that after recording your first new loop >the 2880 advances automatically to record onto track 2. > >that means all overdubs will go to track 2. > >can you setup the 2880 so that after you've recorded your first new >loop on track 1 >you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell out of track 1 before >moving onto track 2 and beyond? > >thanks for your help. > >-- >kosukeweb >http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1056973510==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: electro-harmonix 2880
If you press play after recording the first pass, track 2 will go into record ready. If you press the track select button you can re-select track 1 and continue overdubbing


I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880.
In the manual it says that after recording your first new loop
the 2880 advances automatically to record onto track 2.

that means all overdubs will go to track 2.

can you setup the 2880 so that after you've recorded your first new loop on track 1
you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell out of track 1 before moving onto track 2 and beyond?

thanks for your help.

--
kosukeweb
http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76


-- 
...
http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1056973510==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 19:00:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7013C3BEC1; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <21375443.1155150027551.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:00:27 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Cc: Jeff Kaiser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:00:29 +0000 (UTC) I think this is particularly a problem for guitarists. Heheh. I'm one. I don't like playing strange guitars in public. I do develop a certain attachment/raport with a particular instrument -- mostly based on=20 familarity with all of it's quirks (and, of course, my own).=20 The same could be said about looping gear regarding this "familiarity."=20 However, I have used several hardware loopers over the years . . . and feel= =20 I could make valid music with any of them (or no looper at all). It really doesn't matter to me.=20 On the other hand I have no problem whatsoever playing in public on a non-guitar instrument that I have only passing or no familiarity at all with. It's very fun and freeing to play in a situation where I am not just partially, but TOTALLY naive when it comes to playing something propperly. I can become absolutely fearless . . . in a REALLY odd sort of w= ay. Maybe someone should organize a festival for musicians to play "Mystery=20 Instruments" (by blindly pulling slips of paper from a bag or something). I'd be all for it. It could be really, really fun. Cheers tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public rela= tions, for Nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Jeff Kaiser wrote:=20 > One of my favorite reviews (LA Weekly's Greg Burk) said this: "Jeff=20 > Kaiser's trumpet is nearly incidental to his overall concept"...... >=20 > That actually made me happy. >=20 > It seem's that many people's musical identities are tied to their=20 > instrument....but what really counts is the music....and the source of=20 > that (in a player) is always internal, away from the instrument.... >=20 >=20 > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =E2=80=A2 AngryVegan.com >=20 > On Aug 9, 2006, at 10:50 AM, a k butler wrote: >=20 > > Kris wrote: > >> This is because I consider improvisation not just something=20 > >> inextricably tied to music, but a way of life and approaching the=20 > >> world, both physically and intellectually. I'd rather have the=20 > >> improv music be defined by my own creativity and mind rather than the= =20 > >> instrument. > > > > The instrument is a set of unrealised possibilities, > > just waiting to be unlocked by a creative person. > > > > Whether the instrument is a guitar, a hand-drum, a looping device or=20 > > just the stuff in your head. > > > > ( ah... that'll get him going :-) > > > > andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 19:01:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DE7E3BEE4; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d701c6bbe6$39d59a50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:01:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, it got me going. :) An instrument is a possibility? Or a set? How is that possible? (no pun intended). I consider it an object, nor more or no less. I mean, let's get literal and clear here: if I break my guitar up into bits, I find pieces of wood, metal, glue, and eventually I can put it under a microscope and find organic molecules, etc...but, low and behold, I can find no possibilities! They appear to be eluding the lens of the microscope. Those clever possibilities, hiding inside the guitar somewhere....damn them to hell. I suspect the realm of possibilities is in the mind. The instrument is subservient to the mind in my opinion. I think saying an instrument is a set of possiblities is a semantic oxymoron. Maybe the guitar itself as an instrument can inspire possibiliies in the mind of the looper....I'll buy that. But it's still an object, vs. the life of the mind (recall what movie that is from?) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" > Kris wrote: >>This is because I consider improvisation not just something inextricably >>tied to music, but a way of life and approaching the world, both >>physically and intellectually. I'd rather have the improv music be >>defined by my own creativity and mind rather than the instrument. > > The instrument is a set of unrealised possibilities, > just waiting to be unlocked by a creative person. > > Whether the instrument is a guitar, a hand-drum, a looping device or just > the stuff in your head. > > ( ah... that'll get him going :-) > > andybutler > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 19:08:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6F623BEE8; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e601c6bbe7$3f732cb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> <5f9cc78e69bcff8a6858e660d3480649@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:08:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) amen, brother...did you ask LA Weekly to analyze that metaphysical pseudo-statement for you? How about this one: My guitar's artistic singularity is tantamount to the ontological duality of that of a perfect flower (the Platonic Form, that is) immersed in the beauty and presence of quantum entanglement, whose corollary and inferential counter-part is the result of a phenomenological reduction and consequential residuum of artistic purity. You gotta love metaphysical poetry.... K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kaiser" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) One of my favorite reviews (LA Weekly's Greg Burk) said this: "Jeff Kaiser's trumpet is nearly incidental to his overall concept"...... That actually made me happy. It seem's that many people's musical identities are tied to their instrument....but what really counts is the music....and the source of that (in a player) is always internal, away from the instrument.... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com • AngryVegan.com On Aug 9, 2006, at 10:50 AM, a k butler wrote: > Kris wrote: >> This is because I consider improvisation not just something inextricably >> tied to music, but a way of life and approaching the world, both >> physically and intellectually. I'd rather have the improv music be >> defined by my own creativity and mind rather than the instrument. > > The instrument is a set of unrealised possibilities, > just waiting to be unlocked by a creative person. > > Whether the instrument is a guitar, a hand-drum, a looping device or just > the stuff in your head. > > ( ah... that'll get him going :-) > > andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 19:51:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B5083BEDC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EC5myZRg++uPD6c+0CMCIdRNrZ3ZIyJ2TUtawex3z2C4IJ51bf6TFoZlJ2bOg7cHd1ViBsWiMR1u0KM4CzkCQ8KUJQ/QHfeXZlqIYfzlO/SQLTUPBBZjt2MoKaQ2/nx7jonsV3EZu+CWLkdcMOHWeHrRgXS9xIegYMsCMEqXFSg= In-Reply-To: <00a401c6bbc8$62613970$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060809124045.2B4A83BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809145513.01b90008@tiscali.co.uk> <00a401c6bbc8$62613970$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:51:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <58-ynB.A.t2D.oyj2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:51:04 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" > > >> It struck me too that this applies to looping, there seem to be a >> lot of loopers who want their looping gear to perform in certain >> pre-defined ways, and not many who are not tempted to experiment/ >> improvise with the looping device itself. That seems reasonable to me. I heard that around ten percent of a population (and this doesn't just apply to humans) are "improvisors", "explorers", or whatever you call them. Those curious souls who keep destroying things to "see what's inside" but on some rare occasions come up with very good solutions that are being copied by the other individuals and made part of the culture. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 20:13:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9794E3BEE4; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.82.8] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <007001c6bbc0$7bd37b50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:12:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2006 20:13:00.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[36941F60:01C6BBF0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:13:04 +0000 (UTC) ' tho I am a bassist, I primarily play acoustic and semi-acoustic acoustic bass guitars. Have tried a bunch of acoustic amps, too. UltraSound is quite good (alas, not so great for bass, by killer for regular ol' geetars). AER is incredible (and they have a variety of models to choose from...all quite compact with great tone)...but are also great expensive. I used to have a Polytone which I really liked.....but I have found new joy with Acoustic Image amps. Right now I use an older model Contra with a Contra Ex extesnsion cab. The combo is only 22 lbs and 350w! Sounds very good with guitar as well (tho, for nylon acoustic you might want to check into some of their other models, such as the New Yorker). For greater flexibility, I run into the fx return jack of the Contra from a D-TAR Solstice Mixer/Blender which allows me to run my basses as well a a vocal mic (and my looper in the aux send/ret). Fantastic unit with a great sound on whatever is fed thru it (also use a DTAR Equinox parametric and MamaBear preamp...all sound great!). A thought I have had...and this would be good for gtr as well...is to run one (any) of the DTAR preamps to one of the new Bose ultra small and lightweight power amps and onto a small (2x8 neo) cab. And....another contender, which I have tried with acoustic gtr (and was quite surprsied at just how good is sounded) is the new Fender UltraLight Acosustic head and 2x8 cab. Very small, lightweight, very decent onboard fx (delay, verb chorus...just basic) two channels one optimised for piezos the other for microphones (bal xlr input), and something like 2x150 watts. Just some thoughts, Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 20:20:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5473D3BEE4; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00e601c6bbe7$3f732cb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> <5f9cc78e69bcff8a6858e660d3480649@pfmentum.com> <00e601c6bbe7$3f732cb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:20:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2Za9TC.A.pxE.YOk2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:20:40 +0000 (UTC) At 1:08 PM -0600 8/9/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >How about this one: My guitar's artistic singularity is tantamount >to the ontological duality of that of a perfect flower (the Platonic >Form, that is) immersed in the beauty and presence of quantum >entanglement, whose corollary and inferential counter-part is the >result of a phenomenological reduction and consequential residuum of >artistic purity. Wow! I pretty much understood that. I must be drunk... --m. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 20:32:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D61703BEC2; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WaXscy9Nv+3e9Bn+09Sr1KA+zNk/TcWBKbDl+r/ql2vyb3NRbs7Iy4AAjfWBQz/EFIXlZl8YJbEYFjoAtNZmD7U384nHy31DzVUI3oep16KM5fUsQ+wH5uhFlfKASoEY4P8R05UbP2GZL9ONsp3YYonZJwH62EuXpy1Nwf7OVDs= In-Reply-To: <21375443.1155150027551.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> References: <21375443.1155150027551.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: "The Mystery Instrument Festival" (Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:32:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:32:49 +0000 (UTC) On 9 aug 2006, at 21.00, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > Maybe someone should organize a festival for musicians to play =20 > "Mystery > Instruments" (by blindly pulling slips of paper from a bag or =20 > something). > I'd be all for it. It could be really, really fun. Hats off for a splendid idea! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 21:19:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05D33BEC5; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Rolls RM65B 6 x 4 Mixer Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:18:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C6BBBE.BF7B3160" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca7+Wsdd1kYGBRyQgibj0IkYdMJZQ== Message-Id: <20060809211905.PIQD2704.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C6BBBE.BF7B3160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi loopers-Anyone have any experience using this one? 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Hi loopers—Anyone have any experience using = this one?

Gary

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C6BBBE.BF7B3160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 21:31:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28F003BED9; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A5wIyQJJMZrlGxbwREEN0Lr9EuarXAftO4WVupNpNInqJNvfzaCZbNKXMZyf6ReeZ2wTaqMvFB2KlwXK+ZPFRKYfCl8K8gkZ4pWfA1/RbeXQPYCW8BubDY0mf6jC0h4eje5SW+EvWxY9WXGj9Ha4h/pxW1Mf5y0yIAKvVtv144E= ; Message-ID: <20060809213106.11172.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <052901c6bb75$b8f8d200$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5tA4k.A.86G.aQl2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:31:07 +0000 (UTC) I know this sounds crazy (but it might just work!), but why not get a full range pa style speaker of good quality and use a good preamp or amp modeler before it? This way you'll be able to get good electric guitar, bass, acoustic and synths all from one speaker. Lighten your load a bit too as some of them, like the Mackie's are a bit lighter than a full on guitar combo amp. I can understand having a nice amp for home/studio work but in todays topsy turvy world if you don't have a roady I don't see the point in lugging one around. Also, as sad as it may be, I doubt your audience would notice the difference in most situations (except for those on this list) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out > there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you > using amps (not PA), and if so what? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 21:34:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00FBD3BEDB; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 86e7cd714694fae7a885a1e4e15b2be8 Received-SPF: pass (camenana.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.12 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.12; envelope-from=tunga.muzik@terra.com.br; helo=OFFICE; Message-ID: <00b201c6bbfb$8a5b4320$8386000a@OFFICE> From: "tunga.muzik" To: References: <55e79c0d0608091058p5f7b66bcr17646e8f41d9731d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: electro-harmonix 2880 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:34:02 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C6BBE2.63089E30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:34:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C6BBE2.63089E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what about only 1 project per card? then if you=B4re switching projects = during live presentation you=B4d have top be switching cards all the = time?.......bad news huh.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Katayama=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: electro-harmonix 2880 I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880. In the manual it says that after recording your first new loop the 2880 advances automatically to record onto track 2. that means all overdubs will go to track 2.=20 can you setup the 2880 so that after you've recorded your first new = loop on track 1 you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell out of track 1 before moving = onto track 2 and beyond? thanks for your help. --=20 kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: = 9/8/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C6BBE2.63089E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what about only 1 project per card? = then if you=B4re=20 switching projects during live presentation you=B4d have top be = switching cards=20 all the time?.......bad news huh....
 
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Subject: electro-harmonix = 2880

I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880.
In = the=20 manual it says that after recording your first new loop
the 2880 = advances=20 automatically to record onto track 2.

that means all overdubs = will go=20 to track 2.

can you setup the 2880 so that after you've = recorded your=20 first new loop on track 1
you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell = out of=20 track 1 before moving onto track 2 and beyond?

thanks for your = help.
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------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C6BBE2.63089E30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 21:35:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE0D3BEC5; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004701c6bbfb$b0d45a50$0401010a@ritchie> From: "Ritchie" To: References: <44D9D7A0.5030206@addcom.de> Subject: portable looper Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:05:04 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'm looking for a portable looper (one I can throw in my bag and use for teaching also) as I already have a Repeater and laptop setup plus others. I'd like it to be able to have feedback control and long loop/delay times (for performance and song writing). Does the Digitech Jamman have feedback control? eg. can you set the loop to fade as new material is added? If not, I might have to go the Giga Delay. The Digitech Jamman is attractive due to the storage and long loop times. With the Giga Delay; can you overdub in the loop mode at it's maximum length qouted with feedback control also? Thanks for any info. Ritchie http://murdergrin.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 21:40:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575963BEE0; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=evnYcGWMS5kTuK3XD1eHPSneWGKWxE0aDwYdRfl/wL6O47gjSFlHm00devvhZEd9lsQMGMyD4MZZzdY6tLNmynO1xGP0iiCemacg3V+M519dno9edWZ7EOoSNn4KZd10fO73btH7iycf7svG44z5PNXrq9XnE/EHkghHE4Ec0YA= ; Message-ID: <20060809214019.83817.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: portable looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004701c6bbfb$b0d45a50$0401010a@ritchie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <__x-wC.A.3gH.EZl2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:40:20 +0000 (UTC) The JamMan sadly doesn't have feedback like the original. The DD20 does and yes, it works in loop mode too. It's my tiny looper of choise over the DL-4 for that exact reason (also stereo!) --- Ritchie wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a portable looper (one I can throw > in my bag and use for > teaching also) as I already have a Repeater and > laptop setup plus others. > I'd like it to be able to have feedback control and > long loop/delay times > (for performance and song writing). Does the > Digitech Jamman have feedback > control? eg. can you set the loop to fade as new > material is added? If > not, I might have to go the Giga Delay. The > Digitech Jamman is attractive > due to the storage and long loop times. With the > Giga Delay; can you > overdub in the loop mode at it's maximum length > qouted with feedback control > also? > > Thanks for any info. > > Ritchie > http://murdergrin.blogspot.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 21:56:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73BD3BEE0; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <360.a0e63b1.320bb403@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:56:19 EDT Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_360.a0e63b1.320bb403_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_360.a0e63b1.320bb403_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/06 11:28:29 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > If I lost the use of my hands tomorrow, I'd still be > looping the next month at gigs...but with my voice, feet, and whatever I can > find to express myself. > truth! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_360.a0e63b1.320bb403_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/9/06 11:28:29 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


If I lost the use of=20= my hands tomorrow, I'd still be
looping the next month at gigs...but with my voice, feet, and whatever I can=
find to express myself.


truth!



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--part1_360.a0e63b1.320bb403_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:06:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4518B3BEE0; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4bb.6a8eb35.320bb674@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:06:44 EDT Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4bb.6a8eb35.320bb674_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <85GjLB.A.JDB.2xl2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:06:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_4bb.6a8eb35.320bb674_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/06 3:00:57 PM, tedkillian@charter.net writes: > On the other hand I have no problem whatsoever playing in public > on a non-guitar instrument that I have only passing or no familiarity > at all with. > tedzo.....i had the oppurtunity to do this floating over the ALPS with mathias and company last year at the zurich loopfest.....i played "piano" and "bass" with several loopers of the "first" caliber!.....somehow none of this got recorded......we tried, LORD knows we tried but alas, no recording.....HEARTBROKEN, yes, but what an offering to the muses.....i will loop with anything, anytime with anyone.....yipee.....LOOPS!.....michael p.s. please send for me!.....:) www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_4bb.6a8eb35.320bb674_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/9/06 3:00:57 PM, tedkillian@charter.net writes:


On the other hand I h= ave no problem whatsoever playing in public
on a non-guitar instrument that I have only passing or no familiarity
at all with.


tedzo.....i had the oppurtunity to do this floating over the ALPS with ma= thias and company last year at the zurich loopfest.....i played "piano" and=20= "bass" with several loopers of the "first" caliber!.....somehow none of this= got recorded......we tried, LORD knows we tried but alas, no recording.....= HEARTBROKEN, yes, but what an offering to the muses.....i will loop with any= thing, anytime with anyone.....yipee.....LOOPS!.....michael
p.s. please send for me!.....:)



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--part1_4bb.6a8eb35.320bb674_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:09:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4151F3BED9; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <4d3.52d87f0.320bb714@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:09:24 EDT Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4d3.52d87f0.320bb714_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:09:29 +0000 (UTC) --part1_4d3.52d87f0.320bb714_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/06 4:20:51 PM, mech@m3ch.net writes: > I must be drunk.. > me too!.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_4d3.52d87f0.320bb714_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/9/06 4:20:51 PM, mech@m3ch.net writes:


I must be drunk..


me too!.....:)m



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--part1_4d3.52d87f0.320bb714_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:14:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F993BEDF; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013301c6bc01$34375af0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060809213106.11172.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:14:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Ah..there is some synchronicity occurring here, Mark. I just read on an acoustic guitar forum (used to be the Taylor Forum), where this guy recommended this same approach, suggesting that the quality of your poweramp and speaker would be better, better frequency response, more transparent, etc. Now I tend to agree with you here. I am looking into buying one of the Mackie or JBL powered 1X10" full range powered cabs....because I can kill two birds with one stone...I've been wanting another set of smaller powered PA cabs for monitors at the events I coordinate. I may not even need a preamp or modeler, because this Taylor of mine already has the preamp/EQ system in it. The PA should reproduce exactly what it gets from the guitar, and right now this Taylor nylon string of mine sounds spectacular just direct into a mixer board with headphones....no reason to colorize it even more with yet another set of circuitry. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars >I know this sounds crazy (but it might just work!), > but why not get a full range pa style speaker of good > quality and use a good preamp or amp modeler before > it? This way you'll be able to get good electric > guitar, bass, acoustic and synths all from one > speaker. Lighten your load a bit too as some of them, > like the Mackie's are a bit lighter than a full on > guitar combo amp. > > I can understand having a nice amp for home/studio > work but in todays topsy turvy world if you don't have > a roady I don't see the point in lugging one around. > Also, as sad as it may be, I doubt your audience would > notice the difference in most situations (except for > those on this list) > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out >> there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you >> using amps (not PA), and if so what? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:21:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6325F3BEE1; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UURAi25SiH/BbnBZpsjFfwR23+kTU8FxPVZlx2LWRd/4sYYKJGPscd1ZoQ3WxZ5W; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <22909748.1155162063677.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:21:03 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48af0ca65e7e3c6ca1b0842831b86f428bd10a8cb42d4530e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:21:04 +0000 (UTC) : mark sottilaro sayeth:... >I can understand having a nice amp for home/studio >work but in todays topsy turvy world if you don't have >a roady I don't see the point in lugging one around. >Also, as sad as it may be, I doubt your audience would >notice the difference in most situations (except for >those on this list) ummm...me doth protest just a little :-) "dont see the point"? fer me its about the quality of the SOUND you are creating and making you happy i think its sad if you sacrifice your particular sound for the ease of moving it-loading in/out. there is a price to pay for all good things and i dont know if audiences notice differences or anything but i do. seeya stan(Tube Amp(s) Enthusiast and analogue looperguy) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:24:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36153BEE7; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:24:29 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bfa.c87462.320bba9d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:24:35 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bfa.c87462.320bba9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/9/06 5:31:10 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes: > I doubt your audience would > notice the difference in most situations > i disagree.....and you would be there also, no?.....it's all about the sound imho.....mic www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_bfa.c87462.320bba9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/9/06 5:31:10 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes:


I doubt your audience= would
notice the difference in most situations


i disagree.....and you would be there also, no?.....it's all about the so= und imho.....mic



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--part1_bfa.c87462.320bba9d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEF3F3BEE7; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=q+sFaxvf5so5WafvEHZzAQuXLkTJbNhakLJWPzfscjbvj0jEVzxn2nWzjXLPRDP5giAK+h2PBL56xAszCS/kCWmASHiZnWV7DeyezNwdJlA/Lf+ZrJCbn0zMq3TYmlL5eXrxaA/L0Zdh7qsIinX5E/WHX4+Td08wYk2LPVgq/RA= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0608091539o2f9ac2fck36d6b65288cec2f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:39:47 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: electro-harmonix 2880 In-Reply-To: <00b201c6bbfb$8a5b4320$8386000a@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25677_12292642.1155163187267" References: <55e79c0d0608091058p5f7b66bcr17646e8f41d9731d@mail.gmail.com> <00b201c6bbfb$8a5b4320$8386000a@OFFICE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25677_12292642.1155163187267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I do everyone on the fly so it's really no big deal. 2006/8/9, tunga.muzik : > > what about only 1 project per card? then if you=B4re switching projects > during live presentation you=B4d have top be switching cards all the > time?.......bad news huh.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Dan Katayama > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2:58 PM > *Subject:* electro-harmonix 2880 > > I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880. > In the manual it says that after recording your first new loop > the 2880 advances automatically to record onto track 2. > > that means all overdubs will go to track 2. > > can you setup the 2880 so that after you've recorded your first new loop > on track 1 > you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell out of track 1 before moving ont= o > track 2 and beyond? > > thanks for your help. > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 > > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/414 - Release Date: 9/8/2006 > > --=20 kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_25677_12292642.1155163187267 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I do everyone on the fly so it's really no big deal.



2006/8/9, tunga.muzik <tunga.muzik@terra.com.br>:
what about only 1 project per card? th= en if you=B4re=20 switching projects during live presentation you=B4d have top be switching c= ards=20 all the time?.......bad news huh....
 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 2= :58=20 PM
Subject: electro-harmonix 2880

I have a question on the electro-harmonix 2880.
In the= =20 manual it says that after recording your first new loop
the 2880 advan= ces=20 automatically to record onto track 2.

that means all overdubs will= go=20 to track 2.

can you setup the 2880 so that after you've recorded = your=20 first new loop on track 1
you STAY on track 1 and overdub the hell out= of=20 track 1 before moving onto track 2 and beyond?

thanks for your hel= p.

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http://home.comcast.net/~kkata= yama76 ------=_Part_25677_12292642.1155163187267-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 22:42:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96E53BEDE; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=gxyMLzc9zjoIxr9j8QK8pVYc6rbI/tRaZDZCXDHSXljcvA5QtyBLBJkoD6KcyKKCgsLkIlvDiQJZrEh4Gz3Iavj4svHj/6p8lsVgwsdv3Y6SyG5oxWnJ8TdjIhHOUpuMtoQ9O5Sx7DfuFaMB8ZyJWWCH2MTW2IgzLERk2+x9WRs= Message-ID: <46fea78d0608091542x7dcf72e6mfa4f03d86ae898a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:42:52 -0700 From: "D rH" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: play guitar like a drum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_110358_18296179.1155163372273" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:42:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_110358_18296179.1155163372273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tapping the collective: Is there a simple way to make an acoustic/electic guitar sound more like drum when you beat on it, or more like a bass even if it's tuned down a whole step and you're playing with the pad of your thumb? How about at the same time, hmm? I'm talking hardware, specifically footswitch-ware, not software... that'd be too easy! Will one of those cheapo 7-band EQ's work? Never tried one... I'm wary. Ideas? Common practices? David ------=_Part_110358_18296179.1155163372273 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Tapping the collective:
 
Is there a simple way to make an acoustic/electic guitar sound more like drum when you beat on it, or more like a bass even if it's tuned down a whole step and you're playing with the pad of your thumb? How about at the same time, hmm?
 
I'm talking hardware, specifically footswitch-ware, not software... that'd be too easy! Will one of those cheapo 7-band EQ's work? Never tried one... I'm wary. Ideas? Common practices?
 
David
------=_Part_110358_18296179.1155163372273-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 23:01:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30DAC3BEDD; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060809190150.x2sdjbx3ok4ck804@www.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:01:50 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rolls RM65B 6 x 4 Mixer References: <20060809211905.PIQD2704.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> In-Reply-To: <20060809211905.PIQD2704.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:01:55 +0000 (UTC) I've been using one for a couple of years and there's things I like and things I don't like.... Things I like: compact size only 1u in the rack, if you're using the xlr imputs you can reconfigure the 1/4 inputs to be inserts effects loop for all channels with a stereo return controllable from the front mono monitor send controllable for each channel also on the front, (I used it as a 2nd effects loop) you can chain to a second unit without giving up channels pretty decent sound Things I don't like: all the inputs and outputs are on the back, it's a shallow unit so you need long skinny hands if it happens to be inbetween deeper units the mic sensitivity controls are little tiny knobs also on the back and nearly impossible to adjust when it's in the rack no seperate volumne contol for the headphone jack Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Quoting Gary Lehmann : > Hi loopers-Anyone have any experience using this one? > > Gary > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 23:27:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AD5B3BECC; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060809192736.uemi11icn48gog84@www.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:27:36 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rolls RM65B 6 x 4 Mixer References: <20060809211905.PIQD2704.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20060809190150.x2sdjbx3ok4ck804@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060809190150.x2sdjbx3ok4ck804@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:27:37 +0000 (UTC) oh, I forgot to mention that it does have phantom power which you can set for each of the 6 channels.... but the switch is again on the back and is a little tiny set of dip switches that are impossible to get to if the unit is in the rack. Quoting phaslem@wightman.ca: > I've been using one for a couple of years and there's things I like > and things I > don't like.... > Things I like: > compact size only 1u in the rack, > if you're using the xlr imputs you can reconfigure the 1/4 inputs to > be inserts > effects loop for all channels with a stereo return controllable from > the front > mono monitor send controllable for each channel also on the front, (I > used it as > a 2nd effects loop) > you can chain to a second unit without giving up channels > pretty decent sound > > Things I don't like: > all the inputs and outputs are on the back, it's a shallow unit so > you need long > skinny hands if it happens to be inbetween deeper units > the mic sensitivity controls are little tiny knobs also on the back > and nearly > impossible to adjust when it's in the rack > no seperate volumne contol for the headphone jack > > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > > > > > > Quoting Gary Lehmann : > >> Hi loopers-Anyone have any experience using this one? >> >> Gary >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 9 23:52:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55443BEC5; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c6bc0e$effb5db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: gig tonight (Wednesday) RICK WALKER, MATT DAVIGNON zeroONE Festival Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:52:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Last minute invite for anyone in the South Bay, Monterey Bay or SF/Oakland/Berkeley region who has nothing better to do than go see experimental music and visuals. Matt Davignon and I will both do solo sets (and a collaborative improv set) at tonights ZeroONE festival at the Anno Domini Gallery located at 366 South First Street (between San Carlos and San Salvador) in Downtown San Jose. I will be debuting my lo fi loop videos as well as doing several pieces featuring entirely different sets of instruments, including door-stop-a-phone, melodica, omnichord, casio cs-1 crummy sampler, various and sundry plastic bits, trumpet (with apologies to Jeff Kaiser in advance), fretless bass, and various vocal techniques. Matt will balance my GAS approach (gear acquisition syndrome), utilizing only a drum machine as a source for sound I'm looking forward to it. We go on late Matt at 10 me at 10:45 yours, Rick WAlker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 00:05:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9B93BEE4; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Plishka" To: Subject: RE: play guitar like a drum Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:06:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C6BBE6.F0DD3960" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0608091542x7dcf72e6mfa4f03d86ae898a2@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:05:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C6BBE6.F0DD3960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You really don't have to do much if the guitar is mic'ed properly. Internal mics are much better at picking up the sounds of hands on wood than pickups although since you're mangling the sound (relatively speaking) it might not matter much-I just found internal mics much warmer and giving better results. Using your thumb at various places on the guitar will give you different pitches and timbre and alittle eq will perfect it for you. If you go to www.myspace.com/michaelplishka and play Einstein's time I bang chords and guitar at the same time to create a string sound with a drum sound in the background. There are other songs that are even more percussive but they're not up on the site yet. ~Peace~ Plish Music from the Infinite Horizon... -----Original Message----- From: D rH [mailto:the.31st@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: play guitar like a drum Tapping the collective: Is there a simple way to make an acoustic/electic guitar sound more like drum when you beat on it, or more like a bass even if it's tuned down a whole step and you're playing with the pad of your thumb? How about at the same time, hmm? I'm talking hardware, specifically footswitch-ware, not software... that'd be too easy! Will one of those cheapo 7-band EQ's work? Never tried one... I'm wary. Ideas? Common practices? David ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C6BBE6.F0DD3960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You=20 really don't have to do much if the guitar is mic'ed properly.  = Internal=20 mics are much better at picking up the sounds of hands on wood than = pickups=20 although since you're mangling the sound (relatively speaking) it might = not=20 matter much-I just found internal mics much warmer and giving better=20 results.  Using your thumb at various places on the guitar will = give you=20 different pitches and timbre and alittle eq will perfect it for = you.  If=20 you go to www.myspace.com/michaelpli= shka=20 and play Einstein's time I bang chords and guitar at the same time to = create a=20 string sound with a drum sound in the background.  There are other = songs=20 that are even more percussive but they're not up on the site=20 yet.
 
~Peace~
Plish
 
Music=20 from the Infinite Horizon...
-----Original Message-----
From: D rH=20 [mailto:the.31st@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 = 5:43=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: play=20 guitar like a drum

Tapping the collective:
 
Is there a simple way to make an acoustic/electic guitar sound = more like=20 drum when you beat on it, or more like a bass even if it's tuned down = a whole=20 step and you're playing with the pad of your thumb? How about at the = same=20 time, hmm?
 
I'm talking hardware, specifically footswitch-ware, not = software...=20 that'd be too easy! Will one of those cheapo 7-band EQ's work? Never = tried=20 one... I'm wary. Ideas? Common practices?
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C6BBE6.F0DD3960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 01:51:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF1073BEDC; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.71.221.168] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: play guitar like a drum Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:51:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 01:51:51.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C4D1DB0:01C6BC1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:51:52 +0000 (UTC)

I'm doing quite a bit of this.  The first thing that really helps is my pickup system which is the taylor es system.  There's a sensor on the top so the whole guitar is really active instead of just the bridge.  I find I can get a great kick drum sound by using the EH POG.  You can also dial in some half decent bass sounds with it.

Of course processing the percussion loop with the Kaoss pad after this is really the icing on the cake.

Hope that may give you some ideas.

Cheers,

Dave

www.myspace.com/davidlauzon



 


From: "Michael Plishka" <mike@michaelplishka.com>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: RE: play guitar like a drum
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:06:38 -0500

You really don't have to do much if the guitar is mic'ed properly.  Internal mics are much better at picking up the sounds of hands on wood than pickups although since you're mangling the sound (relatively speaking) it might not matter much-I just found internal mics much warmer and giving better results.  Using your thumb at various places on the guitar will give you different pitches and timbre and alittle eq will perfect it for you.  If you go to www.myspace.com/michaelplishka and play Einstein's time I bang chords and guitar at the same time to create a string sound with a drum sound in the background.  There are other songs that are even more percussive but they're not up on the site yet.
 
~Peace~
Plish
 
Music from the Infinite Horizon...
-----Original Message-----
From: D rH [mailto:the.31st@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:43 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: play guitar like a drum

Tapping the collective:
 
Is there a simple way to make an acoustic/electic guitar sound more like drum when you beat on it, or more like a bass even if it's tuned down a whole step and you're playing with the pad of your thumb? How about at the same time, hmm?
 
I'm talking hardware, specifically footswitch-ware, not software... that'd be too easy! Will one of those cheapo 7-band EQ's work? Never tried one... I'm wary. Ideas? Common practices?
 
David

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 01:58:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 454393BEDD; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.71.221.168] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping gig spam Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:58:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 01:58:11.0851 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F4695B0:01C6BC20] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:58:13 +0000 (UTC)
Hey,
 
I thought I'd send this out.  This is a show I'm doing this Saturday August 12, 2006 in Ottawa Canada at Cafe Dekcuf.
 
What I'm currently up to is a one man acoustic.electric.synth.livelooping thing. 
 
Here's the press release for the show.  If your in Ottawa come out and say hey!
 
You want to be there.
Solo Artists and Musical Wizards:Dave Lauzon, Marc Charron, Mike Sasso

In a time when so much sounds the same and every new artist is a replica of their influences, true creativity in music is rare. Even rarer are those embarking on a solo career, with the vision to explore new musical territory. On August 12th, Café Dekcuf will be indulging in a night of musical wizardry featuring solo artists, Mike Sasso, Marc Charron and Dave Lauzon.

Opening act, Mike Sasso is an eclectic folk musician and gifted guitarist. As one who normally chooses song writing and studio work over performing, this is a rare appearance and the opportunity to hear truly unique ideas.

Following Sasso will be popular singer-songwriter, Marc Charron. A vibrant and spontaneous musician Charron has successfully toured Canada and Australia, winning over new fans through his catchy songs and creative musicianship. Now the guitarist and vocals for Lure, Charron still thrives on the energy created between himself and the crowd during his solo performances.

Headlining act, Dave Lauzon, is a talented guitarist, sonic experimentalist and fearless improviser. Formerly the lead guitarist of nero, Dave Lauzon’s new solo work combines both electric and acoustic instrumental pieces in a jazz–rock blend, succinct and original percussion, swirling, melodic guitar riffs and the heady, ambient use of effects. As Lauzon moves from a touching acoustic piece to a soaring guitar solo then envelopes the room in layers of rocking percussion, the result is a dancing, expansive and emotional sound that is sure to capture your attention and imagination. You’ve never listened as closely, you’ve never danced as hard to just one guy.

What makes this night a unique experience is not only the talent, creativity and diversity of the three acts, but also the amazing fact that they each call Ottawa home.

Details: Doors open 8pm. Show 9pm Cover $7.

Cheers,
 
Dave
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 01:59:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2943BEDF; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.71.221.168] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping gig spam Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:59:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2006 01:59:17.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[967B0DA0:01C6BC20] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:59:19 +0000 (UTC)
Hey,
 
I thought I'd send this out.  This is a show I'm doing this Saturday August 12, 2006 in Ottawa Canada at Cafe Dekcuf.
 
What I'm currently up to is a one man acoustic.electric.synth.livelooping thing. 
 
Here's the press release for the show.  If your in Ottawa come out and say hey!
 
You want to be there.
Solo Artists and Musical Wizards:Dave Lauzon, Marc Charron, Mike Sasso

In a time when so much sounds the same and every new artist is a replica of their influences, true creativity in music is rare. Even rarer are those embarking on a solo career, with the vision to explore new musical territory. On August 12th, Café Dekcuf will be indulging in a night of musical wizardry featuring solo artists, Mike Sasso, Marc Charron and Dave Lauzon.

Opening act, Mike Sasso is an eclectic folk musician and gifted guitarist. As one who normally chooses song writing and studio work over performing, this is a rare appearance and the opportunity to hear truly unique ideas.

Following Sasso will be popular singer-songwriter, Marc Charron. A vibrant and spontaneous musician Charron has successfully toured Canada and Australia, winning over new fans through his catchy songs and creative musicianship. Now the guitarist and vocals for Lure, Charron still thrives on the energy created between himself and the crowd during his solo performances.

Headlining act, Dave Lauzon, is a talented guitarist, sonic experimentalist and fearless improviser. Formerly the lead guitarist of nero, Dave Lauzon’s new solo work combines both electric and acoustic instrumental pieces in a jazz–rock blend, succinct and original percussion, swirling, melodic guitar riffs and the heady, ambient use of effects. As Lauzon moves from a touching acoustic piece to a soaring guitar solo then envelopes the room in layers of rocking percussion, the result is a dancing, expansive and emotional sound that is sure to capture your attention and imagination. You’ve never listened as closely, you’ve never danced as hard to just one guy.

What makes this night a unique experience is not only the talent, creativity and diversity of the three acts, but also the amazing fact that they each call Ottawa home.

Details: Doors open 8pm. Show 9pm Cover $7.

Cheers,
 
Dave
 
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 03:09:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828203BEDF; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ec01c6bc2a$5aa7c2f0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D9DD81.7050709@addcom.de> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:09:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Addiction: I just calculated that I've spent approximatley $1600 on VST effects in the last year and a half. What the.....??? Have I been blacking out and using my Visa card? I lost track of that. But I believe I'd have to spend $6000 at least on hardware effects to match what I can do with my notebook system. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system > Sorry for getting into this nice thread late, almost a month behind with > enjoying the list... > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :) Addiction to >> hardware is a serious thing. > > Yeah, I abbandoned this addiction some 10 years ago with the aid of AHA > (the anonymus hardware addicts). Not quite clean yet, as I still use a > laptop and an interface + faderboxes for my music. > And Krispen, you're probably the perfect guy to found the AVA (Anonymus > VST addicts)... > Let us know when you set up the first AVA web site, I don't have problems > yet, but I am seriously in danger - I should get into MAMA (Many Anonymus > Max Addicts) with Jeff probably as well... > > I made a VST-morphing patch recently to morph between VST's or VST > presets. As soon its cleaned up I'll post it. Don't know how much interest > this would create... > > (I still resist to join ALDA by the way, though I am an addict... ;-) > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 03:15:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47FFF3BEDB; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XfrBd9HIM6rztfLt8TYvWyrX+619IWzLuvTsVWqR39dftOMNobp+e3bETy9FNB2cX+xLHuXHBVaAIUPW0wGUOmeC+aDnZ7YrtG97/DAX+Ea1i+V5hsRRyaiDgnZkkOSqBTne1L2yLuFpXU6cqr3n/UPkaknQN0b0/Norj+jmXb4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:15:32 -0700 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system In-Reply-To: <01ec01c6bc2a$5aa7c2f0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_75926_18128972.1155179732382" References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D9DD81.7050709@addcom.de> <01ec01c6bc2a$5aa7c2f0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 03:15:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_75926_18128972.1155179732382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline awesome, yeah i downloaded a bunch of those plugs tonight. i really like a large majority of what i found on that site. would love to hear some of your songs. did you modify your setting on your thinkpad? i ended up following some instructions someone posted about optimization in the past. seems to do the trick. i never use the fingerprint reader as it makes me very paranoid! ha! spending money online is always a weird thing. especially on plugins as you never touch the cash or actually touch the device you just paid for. i sound like i am 85. yeehaw! c. On 8/9/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Addiction: I just calculated that I've spent approximatley $1600 on VST > effects in the last year and a half. What the.....??? Have I been > blacking > out and using my Visa card? I lost track of that. But I believe I'd have > to > spend $6000 at least on hardware effects to match what I can do with my > notebook system. > > K- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Tiedje" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system > > > > Sorry for getting into this nice thread late, almost a month behind with > > enjoying the list... > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :) Addiction to > >> hardware is a serious thing. > > > > Yeah, I abbandoned this addiction some 10 years ago with the aid of AHA > > (the anonymus hardware addicts). Not quite clean yet, as I still use a > > laptop and an interface + faderboxes for my music. > > And Krispen, you're probably the perfect guy to found the AVA (Anonymus > > VST addicts)... > > Let us know when you set up the first AVA web site, I don't have > problems > > yet, but I am seriously in danger - I should get into MAMA (Many > Anonymus > > Max Addicts) with Jeff probably as well... > > > > I made a VST-morphing patch recently to morph between VST's or VST > > presets. As soon its cleaned up I'll post it. Don't know how much > interest > > this would create... > > > > (I still resist to join ALDA by the way, though I am an addict... ;-) > > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > > --_____-----------|-------------- > > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > > > > > ------=_Part_75926_18128972.1155179732382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
awesome, yeah i downloaded a bunch of those plugs tonight. i really like  a large majority of what i found on that site.
would love to hear some of your songs.
did you modify your setting on your thinkpad? i ended up following some instructions someone posted about optimization in the past.
seems to do the trick.
 
i  never use the fingerprint reader as it makes me very paranoid!
ha!
 
spending money online is always a weird thing. especially on plugins as you never touch the cash or actually touch the device you just paid for. i sound like i am 85.
yeehaw!
c.


 
On 8/9/06, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Addiction:  I just calculated that I've spent approximatley $1600 on VST
effects in the last year and a half. What the.....???  Have I been blacking
out and using my Visa card?  I lost track of that. But I believe I'd have to
spend $6000  at least on hardware effects to match what I can do with my
notebook system.

K-


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Tiedje" <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system


> Sorry for getting into this nice thread late, almost a month behind with
> enjoying the list...
>
> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :)   Addiction to
>> hardware is a serious thing.
>
> Yeah, I abbandoned this addiction some 10 years ago with the aid of AHA
> (the anonymus hardware addicts). Not quite clean yet, as I still use a
> laptop and an interface + faderboxes for my music.
> And Krispen, you're probably the perfect guy to found the AVA (Anonymus
> VST addicts)...
> Let us know when you set up the first AVA web site, I don't have problems
> yet, but I am seriously in danger - I should get into MAMA (Many Anonymus
> Max Addicts) with Jeff probably as well...
>
> I made a VST-morphing patch recently to morph between VST's or VST
> presets. As soon its cleaned up I'll post it. Don't know how much interest
> this would create...
>
> (I still resist to join ALDA by the way, though I am an addict... ;-)
>
> Stefan
>
> --
> Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
> --_____-----------|--------------
> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
> -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()-------- www.ccmix.com
>
>



------=_Part_75926_18128972.1155179732382-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 05:19:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC6B83BEE9; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <021901c6bc3c$8b1d2300$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <01ee01c6ad3b$5d288490$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6df5d811fadd2af7f36b2622cacfb095@charter.net> <02f601c6adbc$0a2d0fa0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <030b01c6adc3$4d3191c0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D9DD81.7050709@addcom.de> <01ec01c6bc2a$5aa7c2f0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:19:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0216_01C6BC0A.3F882660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <23vX7.A.HpE.fHs2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:19:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0216_01C6BC0A.3F882660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---- Original Message -----=20 From: magicicada=20 awesome, yeah i downloaded a bunch of those plugs tonight. i really = like a large majority of what i found on that site. would love to hear some of your songs. KH: Sure. I have tons of free live and studio MP3s for download here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm did you modify your setting on your thinkpad? i ended up following = some instructions someone posted about optimization in the past. seems to do the trick. KH: I made some minor modifications, probably some of the same ones = you found on the web, and I have a program and makes some changes to = msconfig that keep a few things from running in the background and in = the system tray. However, I've found that the ThinkPad T60p is so damn = efficient that I can run it with no modifications and my VST = looping/effect system runs seemlessly. I can't even get the thing to get = to 50% processor utilization, and I have 2gig of RAM that is probably = barely utilized as well. It's nice to have that sort of = memory/processing headroom. i never use the fingerprint reader as it makes me very paranoid! ha! KH: I love it... you can setup it up so that you can over-ride it with = the standard password entry. Being able to swip my finger over the = reader to login is is ver convenient...anything to avoid typing. spending money online is always a weird thing. especially on plugins = as you never touch the cash or actually touch the device you just paid = for. i sound like i am 85. KH: I got over that fairly quick. Now I am probably way too liberal = in my internet purchases. I'll buy stuff from just about any online = retailer...yikes! haven't been burned yet though. I won't buy guitars = over the internet though...I have to play them first. Kris yeehaw! c. =20 On 8/9/06, Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 Addiction: I just calculated that I've spent approximatley $1600 on = VST effects in the last year and a half. What the.....??? Have I been = blacking=20 out and using my Visa card? I lost track of that. But I believe I'd = have to spend $6000 at least on hardware effects to match what I can do = with my notebook system. K- ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:05 AM Subject: Re: Sample sound clip from my notebook computer system > Sorry for getting into this nice thread late, almost a month = behind with > enjoying the list...=20 > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Ted, don't make us have a group intervention at Y2K6. :) = Addiction to >> hardware is a serious thing. > > Yeah, I abbandoned this addiction some 10 years ago with the aid = of AHA=20 > (the anonymus hardware addicts). Not quite clean yet, as I still = use a > laptop and an interface + faderboxes for my music. > And Krispen, you're probably the perfect guy to found the AVA = (Anonymus > VST addicts)... > Let us know when you set up the first AVA web site, I don't have = problems > yet, but I am seriously in danger - I should get into MAMA (Many = Anonymus > Max Addicts) with Jeff probably as well...=20 > > I made a VST-morphing patch recently to morph between VST's or VST > presets. As soon its cleaned up I'll post it. Don't know how much = interest > this would create... > > (I still resist to join ALDA by the way, though I am an addict... = ;-)=20 > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()-------- www.ccmix.com > > ------=_NextPart_000_0216_01C6BC0A.3F882660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
---- Original Message -----
From:=20 magicicada

awesome, yeah i downloaded a bunch = of those=20 plugs tonight. i really like  a large majority of what i found on = that=20 site.
would love to hear some of your songs.
 
KH: Sure. I have tons of=20 free live and studio MP3s for download here: http://www.krispenhartung.= com/mp3.htm
 
did you modify your setting on your thinkpad? i ended up = following some=20 instructions someone posted about optimization in the past.
seems to do the trick.
 
KH: I made some minor modifications, = probably=20 some of the same ones you found on the web, and I have a program and = makes=20 some changes to msconfig that keep a few things from running in the = background=20 and in the system tray. However, I've found that the ThinkPad T60p is = so damn=20 efficient that I can run it with no modifications and my VST = looping/effect=20 system runs seemlessly. I can't even get the thing to get to 50% = processor=20 utilization, and I have 2gig of RAM that is probably barely utilized = as well.=20 It's nice to have that sort of memory/processing = headroom.
 
i  never use the fingerprint reader as it makes me very=20 paranoid!
ha!
 
KH: I love it... you can setup it up = so that you=20 can over-ride it with the standard password entry. Being able to swip = my=20 finger over the reader to login is is ver convenient...anything to = avoid=20 typing.
 
spending money online is always a weird thing. especially on = plugins as=20 you never touch the cash or actually touch the device you just paid = for. i=20 sound like i am 85.
 
KH:  I got over that fairly = quick. Now I am=20 probably way too liberal in my internet purchases. I'll buy stuff from = just=20 about any online retailer...yikes!  haven't been burned yet = though. I=20 won't buy guitars over the internet though...I have to play them=20 first.
 
Kris
 
yeehaw!
c.


 
On 8/9/06, Krispen=20 Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:=20
Addiction:  I=20 just calculated that I've spent approximatley $1600 on = VST
effects in the=20 last year and a half. What the.....???  Have I been = blacking=20
out and using my Visa card?  I lost track of that. But = I=20 believe I'd have to
spend $6000  at least on hardware = effects=20 to match what I can do with my
notebook=20 system.

K-


----- Original Message -----
From: = "Stefan=20 Tiedje" <Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de>To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent:=20 Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: Sample sound clip = from my=20 notebook computer system


> Sorry for getting into this = nice=20 thread late, almost a month behind with
> enjoying the list... =
>
> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>> Ted, don't make = us have=20 a group intervention at Y2K6. :)   Addiction = to
>>=20 hardware is a serious thing.
>
> Yeah, I abbandoned this = addiction some 10 years ago with the aid of AHA
> (the = anonymus=20 hardware addicts). Not quite clean yet, as I still use a
> = laptop and=20 an interface + faderboxes for my music.
> And Krispen, you're = probably=20 the perfect guy to found the AVA (Anonymus
> VST = addicts)...
>=20 Let us know when you set up the first AVA web site, I don't have=20 problems
> yet, but I am seriously in danger - I should get = into MAMA=20 (Many Anonymus
> Max Addicts) with Jeff probably as well...=20
>
> I made a VST-morphing patch recently to morph = between VST's=20 or VST
> presets. As soon its cleaned up I'll post it. Don't = know how=20 much interest
> this would create...
>
> (I still = resist=20 to join ALDA by the way, though I am an addict... ;-) =
>
>=20 Stefan
>
> --
> Stefan = Tiedje------------x-------
>=20 --_____-----------|--------------
> --(_|_=20 ----|\-----|-----()-------
> -- = _|_)----|-----()--------------
>=20 ----------()-------- www.ccmix.com
>
>


------=_NextPart_000_0216_01C6BC0A.3F882660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 06:45:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9ECA3BEE8; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authentication-Warning: lothlorien.nfbcal.org: tdonovan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:45:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Donovan X-X-Sender: tdonovan@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender is SPF-compliant, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (lothlorien.nfbcal.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 09 Aug 2006 23:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1643/Wed Aug 9 15:06:54 2006 on lothlorien.nfbcal.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:45:48 +0000 (UTC) I've heard that AER amps are some of the best, lightest, loudest, and most dynamic acoustic guitar amps around. I've heard this fromseveral sources, but haven't tried one, just seen a few around. One of their cube amps is even battery powered. They're not cheap though. Checked here just now: http://www.dreamguitars.com/aer/aer.htm -trey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 07:28:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E7C3BEE7; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:28:17 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c6bc4e$8ca1e910$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca79CjvZ7J/+O0lTI2kq5AzD48GawAV6GJQ In-Reply-To: <00e601c6bbe7$3f732cb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <42AGHB.A.yNH.VAu2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:28:21 +0000 (UTC) > How about this one: My guitar's artistic singularity is > tantamount to the ontological duality of that of a perfect > flower (the Platonic Form, that is) immersed in the beauty > and presence of quantum entanglement, whose corollary and > inferential counter-part is the result of a phenomenological > reduction and consequential residuum of artistic purity. ROFL ! -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 07:28:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A07FB3BEF1; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:28:37 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c6bc4e$9870fb50$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca79CjvZ7J/+O0lTI2kq5AzD48GawAV6GJQ In-Reply-To: <00e601c6bbe7$3f732cb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:28:39 +0000 (UTC) > How about this one: My guitar's artistic singularity is > tantamount to the ontological duality of that of a perfect > flower (the Platonic Form, that is) immersed in the beauty > and presence of quantum entanglement, whose corollary and > inferential counter-part is the result of a phenomenological > reduction and consequential residuum of artistic purity. ROFL ! -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 07:59:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 156A03BEE7; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c6bc52$e9a45900$6401a8c0@jason1> From: "eviljason" To: Subject: BOSS RC-50 patch editor? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:59:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BC18.3CE893F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 25, in=49, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 67.60.82.208 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:59:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BC18.3CE893F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hail! I just joined after buying this here thingy. I am finding that some of the settings that i have to make each time i = make a new patch are things that might be done faster in some sort of = patch editor. anyone know of one that might work for this here thingy? thanks --Jason ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BC18.3CE893F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hail!
I just joined after buying this here=20 thingy.
I am finding that some of the settings = that i have=20 to make each time i make a new patch are things that might be done = faster in=20 some sort of patch editor.
anyone know of one that might work for = this here=20 thingy?
thanks = --Jason
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6BC18.3CE893F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 08:00:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD0303BEDD; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAA+D2kSBUYkrCxMG Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060810075854.01adeb40@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:50:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) In-Reply-To: <00d701c6bbe6$39d59a50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> <00d701c6bbe6$39d59a50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5bhV0B.A.0L.Eeu2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:00:04 +0000 (UTC) andy's version of what Derek Bailey seemed to say:- >>The instrument is a set of unrealised possibilities, >>just waiting to be unlocked by a creative person. Which is how some people approach their instruments some of the time. Kris wrote >Yeah, it got me going. :) An instrument is a possibility? Or a set? >How is that possible? (no pun intended). I consider it an object, >nor more or no less. I mean, let's get literal and clear here: if I >break my guitar up into bits, I find pieces of wood, metal, glue, >and eventually I can put it under a microscope and find organic >molecules, etc...but, low and behold, I can find no possibilities! >They appear to be eluding the lens of the microscope. Those clever >possibilities, hiding inside the guitar somewhere....damn them to hell. Well yes, if you break it into molecules you won't be able to play at all :-) ...and there won't be a guitar there anymore. So your "refutation" doesn't add up. On the other hand, if you leave your guitar intact you'll be able to get new sounds out of it that you never heard before. All those bits of wood, metal & glue add up to an instrument that is capable of producing not only those sounds you already know it can make, but also quite a few others. Can you find those other sounds? andybutler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 08:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C7463BEE1; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006c01c6bc57$9c3651a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060809124045.2B4A83BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809145513.01b90008@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:33:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:33:19 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, 9 August, 2006 15:21 PM Subject: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) > "There seem to be two main attitudes to the instrument among improvisors. > One is that the instrument is man's best friend, both as a tool and a > helper; a collaborator. The other attitude is that the instrument is > unnecessary, at worst a liability, intruding between the player and his > music." > ...Derek Bailey in "Improvisation, It's Nature and Practise in Music". > > So I take that to mean that the instrument is either a means to produce > "the correct notes", or that is something that can be explored to find new > sounds and new music. > Musicians who develop extended technique presumably have a certain > curiosity about their instrument which is not shared by others. > > It struck me too that this applies to looping, there seem to be a lot of > loopers who want their looping gear to perform in certain pre-defined > ways, and not many who are not tempted to experiment/improvise with the > looping device itself. On that level one I think likes to have defined perimeters to work within, and a result that is what one expects, when using an instrument or looper device. No doubt it makes for more control on the performer, though it runs the risk of being occasionally predictable if the listener is a gear-head who's paying more attention to "What patch is that?" to just enjoying the performance for its musical etc. quality. I happened to be thinking about something similar to this when vacuuming up a massive amount of workman's debris from under the floorboards yesterday. As you might recall I am slowly getting back to playing guitar after smashing my middle finger in early May, and have been sticking with the old acoustic since it makes you work harder... As a side effect I find myself occasionally recalling bits of electric playing, which in my case usually involves my beloved QuadraVerb. Given certain patches to the QV one can recreate some lovely tones - and so I pondered the fact that I'm also 'playing' the effects unit as well as the strat, yes? Is this a degradation of guitar play? Not in the electric sense, though I could envision a situation where one 'needed' to use the effects unit(s) to play - for whatever reason, be it 'only wanting it to sound like _this_', or the other end, 'hiding behind the effects while playing'. I can remember a time when I was indeed 'hiding behind the effects', but it was a long time ago. I started playing electric with the only non-cheap effects being my Cry-Baby and my Small Stone... and the occasional Dan Armstrong thingie. For distortion I used an unfortunate (for the device, not me) Panasonic cassette recorder-FM radio, which had a mono line-in and a monitor function, and allowed me to bang out some really saturated distortion. I couldn't afford a compressor or a good fuzz box at the time, and it was a happy accident that it happened, as I had no idea what I was doing. Eventually the circuits on the recorder-radio got so fried that a bad feedback situation would occasionally happen, the only resolution being to hit it (and for a few years this actually worked!). And so from such minimalistic beginnings, yada gabba hey. But in any event I had to wonder if others using effects, vsts etc had thought of the fact that one is playing everything in the signal path at times. Does this only involve when one is seeking a deliberate result? Well, there's my firecracker tossed into this room of cool cats for this morning. Off to look for victorian-style radiator-towel rail valves... Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 08:35:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 841CE3BEE6; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007701c6bc57$fb77d8f0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <913728d60608090910x75718dc8u646fbf76bf54401a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: live looping concerts Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:35:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:35:56 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Sent: Wednesday, 9 August, 2006 17:10 PM Subject: live looping concerts > Hello all! > > i don't mean to ruffle any feathers, but i am also a jamband fan, and > i love live concerts. One thing about a good jamband is that you can > go see them many times and never see the same concert twice...not > because of a large library of songs, but because a lot of them > improvise and play different lines a lot. Because of this (and there > are probably other reasons too) jambands are ok with tapers, and don't > mind if you record an entire concert and put it on the internet. I > know with bands like Phish and Grateful Dead they played a lot of > covers and jammed on those, and then there are bands like Jacob Fred > Jazz Oddysey (a great band to check out...they even are slowly getting > onto looping!) and Cream (well, i know they aren't a jamband, but they > were known to jam on a song for 20-30 minutes...check out live cream > vol. I and II) and they only started a familiar song's hook or just > laid out the structure at the beginning, but the song would be played > completly different then what was on the studio version, and that > would be good for fans of the band, because its a wealth of unreleased > material :) > > What does this have to do with looping? well, i know with my looping > and i am sure this is the case for at least 50% of the loopers here > that i hardly ever play the same thing twice. what i play is largely > dependent on how i am feeling at the moment. So i was just wondering > if there is anywhere on the internet that shares any live looping > concerts (that are ok'ed by the band)? Indeedy-do on the looping with unpredictable jam-oriented results... Though in the beginning of my using the Time Machine I decided to do a set of pieces that could be recreated during performance, and was able to get what I wanted despite the potentially-chaotic element of a looping device coupled with effects. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 10:26:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BAD53BEE1; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:26:33 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44DB09D9.5000804@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: <1AJtH.A.u1B.ynw2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:26:59 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Klaus Schulze and his recent reissed work on Revisited Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disc two of "Das Wagner Desaster." The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Exit" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records and released in 1981. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, August 12 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh All times are EDT / GMT-4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 11:03:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DEDF3BEDB; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o+dUdYsy/wklzUNb0dGVNKIH77MUrBVI87DvasX4QsavT0jYTHWxUGwvHhgWA9SmQYahXAaJQ349ga3MksVdf1fljfNJAgXtS/Rel1+EpKLVl/DY2QuM0V+0jq/Ac0jJkJABtNhKPuTlh+k61+N8+M9YxRF32EagWqMfehqSsvw= ; Message-ID: <20060810110302.66439.qmail@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:03:02 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vedr. Re: portable looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060809214019.83817.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1105756866-1155207782=:66391" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:03:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1105756866-1155207782=:66391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Is it possible to use a expression-pedal with the dd-20 for the feedback as with the line 6. How long samplingtime has it (dd-20) ? best regards Rune F mark sottilaro skrev: The JamMan sadly doesn't have feedback like the original. The DD20 does and yes, it works in loop mode too. It's my tiny looper of choise over the DL-4 for that exact reason (also stereo!) --- Ritchie wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a portable looper (one I can throw > in my bag and use for > teaching also) as I already have a Repeater and > laptop setup plus others. > I'd like it to be able to have feedback control and > long loop/delay times > (for performance and song writing). Does the > Digitech Jamman have feedback > control? eg. can you set the loop to fade as new > material is added? If > not, I might have to go the Giga Delay. The > Digitech Jamman is attractive > due to the storage and long loop times. With the > Giga Delay; can you > overdub in the loop mode at it's maximum length > qouted with feedback control > also? > > Thanks for any info. > > Ritchie > http://murdergrin.blogspot.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hi !
 
Is it possible to use a expression-pedal with the dd-20 for the feedback as with the line 6. How long samplingtime has it (dd-20) ?
 
best regards Rune F  

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> skrev:
The JamMan sadly doesn't have feedback like the
original.

The DD20 does and yes, it works in loop mode too.
It's my tiny looper of choise over the DL-4 for that
exact reason (also stereo!)

--- Ritchie wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a portable looper (one I can throw
> in my bag and use for
> teaching also) as I already have a Repeater and
> laptop setup plus others.
> I'd like it to be able to have feedback control and
> long loop/delay times
> (for performance and song writing). Does the
> Digitech Jamman have feedback
> control? eg. can you set the loop to fade as new
> material is added? If
> not, I might have to go the Giga Delay. The
> Digitech Jamman is attractive
> due to the storage and long loop times. With the
> Giga Delay; can you
> overdub in the loop mode at it's maximum length
> qouted with feedback control
> also?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Ritchie
> http://murdergrin.blogspot.com
>
>
>


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Mob: 917 95 867 --0-1105756866-1155207782=:66391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 12:04:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 078663BEE1; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020401c6bc75$16c65510$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: play guitar like a drum Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:04:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:04:06 +0000 (UTC) I'd advise the use of a good one space parametric equalizer with at least 2, if not 4 bands of equalization. set your Q to be very small..................turn up the volume to the band and then sweep it slowly as you bang on the most resonant places on the body (or neck of the guitar). New digital equalizers (like the Berhringer) have customizeable presets that are really handy. Make your drum sound EQ setting and merely engage it as you play your loop then disengage it as you go back to guitar playing. I play found sound all the time and being a drummer/percussionist professionally I always immediately look at an object looking for at least 2 if not three resonances that correspond as much as possible to the frequency bands of the three basic concepts of a drumset the bass the middle (snares to tom toms) the highs (hi hats) by finding three resonant places on the guitar that correspond roughly to those frequency bands, a little (or a lot) of judicious EQ-ing will really bring out the differences between the frequencies. The fantastic and innovative looper, Claude Voit of Switzerland even went so far as to put a piezo pickup hi on the back side of the neck of the guitar so he could really amplify all the percussive noises that exist up there. There's a lot of ersatz hi hat/wood block/ string noise/ weird harp sounds behind the nut action going on up there and Claude really exploited it the last time I heard him play (regretfully, three years about now) ******* Additionally, I liberally use a Digitech Red Whammy pedal to be able to change the pitch of non melodic sounds. There's a fair amount of latency when utilizing the one and two octave down modes so I just make my first loop with these pitches engaged and then build on top of them once the tuning is back to normal. A great way to find good bass drum sounds in any object, really. ********************************* Also, said and done........................this is one of those OFFTOPIC topics that Kim Flint our fearless moderator was complaining about and that we debated so much in the past month for the sake of future loopers coming here, we should be dilligent and list these things as OFF TOPIC or even ask for response, individually, off the list. Just a respectful suggestion, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 13:09:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29E533BEDB; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c6bc7e$2d27ebd0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D74E38.1040102@addcom.de> <013301c6ba39$726a7740$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:09:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Another delivery Claude and if you want to join all those cool dudes that recorded something for the 10 anniversary Create your 30 sec. MP3s in 128 rate format and upload them here: http://www.box.net/ Login: loopersdelight Password: loopersdelight Title the MP3 with your name and location, like Kris Hartung - Boise Idaho USA.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 13:12:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309313BEDD; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c6bc7e$ac552440$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D74E38.1040102@addcom.de> <013301c6ba39$726a7740$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c6bc7e$2d27ebd0$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:12:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <0AgoLC.A.3pH.EDz2EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:12:37 +0000 (UTC) I forgot its all here http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 13:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58B03BEE4; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:33:06 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) In-Reply-To: <006c01c6bc57$9c3651a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Message-ID: References: <20060809124045.2B4A83BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809145513.01b90008@tiscali.co.uk> <006c01c6bc57$9c3651a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:33:05 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, Stephen Goodman wrote: > And so from such minimalistic beginnings, yada gabba hey. But in any event I > had to wonder if others using effects, vsts etc had thought of the fact that > one is playing everything in the signal path at times. Does this only > involve when one is seeking a deliberate result? My opinion: Depends on if you define "playing" as with conscious intent. Everything in the signal path can affect the output, but whether or not you're mindful of it is optional. On reread, I think I'm saying much the same as you just did, only differently worded. Good question, thanks. best, Steve B Subscape Annex / Phasmatodea http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 14:24:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBD9B3BEDF; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027901c6bc88$aea7bb40$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D74E38.1040102@addcom.de> <013301c6ba39$726a7740$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <000e01c6bc7e$2d27ebd0$0400000a@mini> <001d01c6bc7e$ac552440$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:24:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Got it. It's in the streaming file now. / K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:12 AM Subject: Re: AW: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? >I forgot its all here > > http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 14:30:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA5323BED6; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028001c6bc89$969a3db0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> <00d701c6bbe6$39d59a50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060810075854.01adeb40@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:30:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <_q8R9C.A.2ZB.gM02EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote >>Yeah, it got me going. :) An instrument is a possibility? Or a set? How >>is that possible? (no pun intended). I consider it an object, nor more or >>no less. I mean, let's get literal and clear here: if I break my guitar >>up into bits, I find pieces of wood, metal, glue, and eventually I can put >>it under a microscope and find organic molecules, etc...but, low and >>behold, I can find no possibilities! They appear to be eluding the lens of >>the microscope. Those clever possibilities, hiding inside the guitar >>somewhere....damn them to hell. > > Well yes, if you break it into molecules you won't be able to play at all > :-) > ...and there won't be a guitar there anymore. > So your "refutation" > doesn't add up. Well, it wasn't really a refutation, but poking fun and literally interpreting your statement that a guitar "is" a set of possibilities. I'm saying that is impossible and absurd, but I know what you mean and agree with you. The possibilities come from our minds, and guitar can inspire them and obviously be an critical part in actualizing them because of it's diverse functionality. But you don't find possibilities, literally, "inside" the guitar as a physical object, anymore than you would beauty "in" the eye of the beholder. These are subtle inefficiencies of the English language that get us into trouble sometimes. The language is metaphoric, but taken literally can imply all sorts of ludicrous absurdities. K > > On the other hand, if you leave your guitar intact you'll be able to get > new sounds out of it that you never heard before. All those bits of wood, > metal & glue add up to an instrument that is capable of producing not > only those sounds you already know it can make, but also quite a few > others. Can you find those other sounds? > > andybutler > www.andybutler.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 15:07:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BB5C3BEE6; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028b01c6bc8e$ad3c83c0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:07:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, they are definitely not cheap, that's for sure. I have to wonder how much these expensive amps colorize or "enhance" the tone of the acoustic guitar, and that what folks are buying is the technology to produce a proprietary tone, like that of a tube amp or preamp. After all, some of us acoustic guitar players just want an amp to transparently reproduce the sound of the acoustic guitar, not alter it. And in light of this, I would ask, isn't that what a high quality full range powered PA speaker is supposed to do? What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that I am not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? I don't need EQ or a preamp, as I have that built into the guitar. Is it odd that we would preamp and EQ an acoustic guitar with its onboard electronics, and then do this yet again with the EQ and preamp section on an amp? Seems redundant. Rhetorical questions, of course...but enquiring minds want to know. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trey Donovan" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:45 AM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > > I've heard that AER amps are some of the best, lightest, loudest, and most > dynamic acoustic guitar amps around. I've heard this fromseveral sources, > but haven't tried one, just seen a few around. One of their cube amps is > even battery powered. > They're not cheap though. > Checked here just now: > http://www.dreamguitars.com/aer/aer.htm > > -trey > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:03:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AF033BEDB; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> In-reply-to: <028b01c6bc8e$ad3c83c0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Thread-Index: Aca8jq/ZZV4JgvFJR6e8c7w4loPtdQAFtcwg From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:03:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: Krispen Hartung >=20 > What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000=20 > that I am not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? I've also become interested in this recently. The JBL EON10 G2 looked nice, but I was thinking of getting two of them for stereo which would be more than I want to spend. I saw the Roland CM-30 CUBE Monitor which is cheap enough to get two, but it only has 6.5" speakers. Does anyone have any experience with these? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 18:50:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C313BED9; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAEQb20SBUYksAgcCDAcG Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060810190425.01b014c0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:43:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) In-Reply-To: <028001c6bc89$969a3db0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060809165830.55C573BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060809183929.01b0bcb8@tiscali.co.uk> <00d701c6bbe6$39d59a50$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060810075854.01adeb40@tiscali.co.uk> <028001c6bc89$969a3db0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:50:51 +0000 (UTC) At 15:30 10/08/2006, you wrote: >Kris wrote >>>Yeah, it got me going. :) An instrument is a possibility? Or a >>>set? How is that possible? (no pun intended). I consider it an >>>object, nor more or no less. I mean, let's get literal and clear >>>here: if I break my guitar up into bits, I find pieces of wood, >>>metal, glue, and eventually I can put it under a microscope and >>>find organic molecules, etc...but, low and behold, I can find no >>>possibilities! They appear to be eluding the lens of the >>>microscope. Those clever possibilities, hiding inside the guitar >>>somewhere....damn them to hell. >> >>Well yes, if you break it into molecules you won't be able to play at all :-) >>...and there won't be a guitar there anymore. > So your >>"refutation" doesn't add up. > >Well, it wasn't really a refutation, but poking fun and literally >interpreting your statement that a guitar "is" a set of possibilities. that wasn't my statement at all, you changed it in 3 different ways ;-) >I'm saying that is impossible and absurd, but I know what you mean >and agree with you. The possibilities come from our minds, and >guitar can inspire them and obviously be an critical part in >actualizing them because of it's diverse functionality. Over the years I've spent a lot of time just exploring the guitar (and other instruments) In a lot of my music, even including regular type classic guitar pieces, there's been things I found "on the guitar" which sounded quite a lot different to the expectation of my mind, these would invariably be incorporated into compositions. ..and when I met the Vortex and EDP........ To quote Derek Bailey again (rather than risk trying to explain my own version) "The instrument is not just a tool but an ally. It is not only a means to an end, it is a source of material, and the technique for the improvisor is often an exploitation of the natural resources of the instrument." >>capable of producing not only those sounds you already know it can >>make, but also quite a few others. Can you find those other sounds? try it :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 19:41:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4004C3BEE7; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:41:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:41:10 +0000 (UTC) I am comparing the specs now between the JBL EON 10" and the complementary Mackie cab, and the Mackie seems to have slightly better specs, such as in frequency response/range, etc...but not by far. The Mackie has more wattage going into the woofer, whereas the JBL has relatively more wattage going into the horn. I may start by buying just one Mackie, then when I can afford it, get the other. This Fender powered monitor looks sort of interesting: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1271PowMon/ Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > From: Krispen Hartung > > What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 > that I am not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? I've also become interested in this recently. The JBL EON10 G2 looked nice, but I was thinking of getting two of them for stereo which would be more than I want to spend. I saw the Roland CM-30 CUBE Monitor which is cheap enough to get two, but it only has 6.5" speakers. Does anyone have any experience with these? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 19:43:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62EC83BEE8; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:43:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3EmoCB.A.hWD.Rx42EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 19:43:13 +0000 (UTC) At 1:03 PM -0500 8/10/06, Jeff Larson wrote: > > From: Krispen Hartung >> >> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 >> that I am not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? > >I've also become interested in this recently. The JBL EON10 G2 >looked nice, but I was thinking of getting two of them for stereo >which would be more than I want to spend. I saw the Roland CM-30 >CUBE Monitor which is cheap enough to get two, but it only has 6.5" >speakers. Does anyone have any experience with these? Yeah, I've actually got experience with both. First, the electronic music collective in which I play (M.E.M.E.) uses the JBL EON's for our monitors. They do sound very good, and are worth the money if you're willing to spend that much cash on a pair. Not much else to add, other than if you can afford to spring ~$1200 for a pair, they're worth it. Alternately, I came to the exact same conclusion you did, and instead use a pair of the Roland CM-30 CUBE Monitors myself. They sound good, but with some caveats. You're going to have to compensate for some frequency loss at both the top and bottom of the spectrum. For the top end, it seems like they start to roll off at around 14-15k. For playing out live, I don't really mind this all that much (most of what's lost seems merely to be hiss and noise) but if you A/B them against flat frequency monitors in the studio, you will notice a difference. More concerning is that, as you might expect, they're a little light on the low end. The Roland's do a pretty good job down through the low-mids, but don't expect earth-shaking bottom end from them. One good thing is that when confronted with a source signal containing a large amount of low frequencies, the speakers don't pop or fart in trying to handle it. Rather, the audio merely comes across a little light in the lows. Build quality is excellent, and they're very light and portable. They're also LOUD. Even individually, the CM-30's sound like they're louder than a mere 30 watts. And when you've got two set up to cover the left and right halves of the stage, you're going to find them more than adequate for most solo gigs. If you're using them for a standard instrument signal (like guitar) they should work pretty well for a full-range [sic] solution in-and-of themselves. However if, like me, you're using something that has a good amount of bass information (I'm running synths and Chapman Stick though my setup), you're going to need to add another component. In that case, read on, pilgrim... For a true full-range solution, I'm using my pair of CM-30's in conjunction with a single Gemini GX-350 powered speaker to form a makeshift 2.1 configuration. This works out great, since the Gemini is an excellent affordable powered speaker. I'd put the Gemini stuff up against the Mackie's any day, but I don't think it's up to the level of the JBL's. (And if it's not already apparent, I consider the Mackie's over-rated and not worth their inflated price tag.) However, when I let the GX-350 handle the low-end and use the CM-30's for the mid's, high-end, and stereo separation, it sounds great! The best part is that I was able to put the whole 2.1 setup together for less than what a single EON would cost. :) --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 20:00:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54C8C3BEF1; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:00:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:00:42 +0000 (UTC) At 1:41 PM -0600 8/10/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >I am comparing the specs now between the JBL EON 10" and the >complementary Mackie cab, and the Mackie seems to have slightly >better specs, such as in frequency response/range, etc...but not by >far. The Mackie has more wattage going into the woofer, whereas the >JBL has relatively more wattage going into the horn. I may start >by buying just one Mackie, then when I can afford it, get the other. Kris, check out these before blowing cash on the Mackie: http://www.geminidj.com/gx250.html Also, if you need more low end (12" speakers): http://www.geminidj.com/gx350.html Gemini are well-respected for producing gear for the DJ market, but don't have a whole lot of visibility amongst regular musicians (their iKey recorder is about the only thing that most rank-&-file guys see). This doesn't mean they don't produce decent product, though. These are a viable alternative to the Mackie's, IMNSHO, and are half the price. Personally, as mentioned by somebody else here previously, I also find the Mackie's "honky" (I think that was the word used). While they're not horrid, I don't find their price justified by anything other than Mackie's name. I currently use one of the Gemini GX-350's myself. I actually tried out the Gemini GX-250's for a little while (the local dealer was out of stock on the 350's, and talked me into taking a pair of 250's for a week to see if they'd work out). The 250's would sound great if I were only using guitar and effects. I also wanted the GX-250 because it's a mere 29 pounds. Unfortunately, I need a bit more bass range (synth, Stick, drum machine) than it's able to produce, so I upgraded to the GX-350's. The GX-250 is going for around $200 each. GX-350, I picked up for $250. --m. -- _______ "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 20:26:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0FE03BEDF; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02c801c6bcbb$36244250$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:26:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! The prices are great. I'm looking at the frequency responses of the Gemni, Mackie, and JBL 10" powered cabs (since this is the only speaker size they all share in common) Gemni GX250 cab Frequency Response: 50-20 KHz (actually they say response, but this is stated as a range...a response has to have a +/- figure...that is suspicious, but I'll assume +/- 3db) - $199 Mackie SRM350 Frequence Response: (-3 dB) 83 Hz - 18.5 kHz - $550 JBL EON10 G2 cab Frequency repsonse: (±3 dB): 90 Hz - 16 kHz - $500 Gemini beats both JBL and Mackie on this spec, but I'd like to know how quiet they are. I have two powered EV speakers, which sound great, but they have a little bit of a hiss. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mech" mech@m3ch.net > At 1:41 PM -0600 8/10/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >>I am comparing the specs now between the JBL EON 10" and the complementary >>Mackie cab, and the Mackie seems to have slightly better specs, such as in >>frequency response/range, etc...but not by far. The Mackie has more >>wattage going into the woofer, whereas the JBL has relatively more wattage >>going into the horn. I may start by buying just one Mackie, then when I >>can afford it, get the other. > > Kris, check out these before blowing cash on the Mackie: > > http://www.geminidj.com/gx250.html > > Also, if you need more low end (12" speakers): > > http://www.geminidj.com/gx350.html > > Gemini are well-respected for producing gear for the DJ market, but don't > have a whole lot of visibility amongst regular musicians (their iKey > recorder is about the only thing that most rank-&-file guys see). This > doesn't mean they don't produce decent product, though. > > These are a viable alternative to the Mackie's, IMNSHO, and are half the > price. Personally, as mentioned by somebody else here previously, I also > find the Mackie's "honky" (I think that was the word used). While they're > not horrid, I don't find their price justified by anything other than > Mackie's name. > > I currently use one of the Gemini GX-350's myself. I actually tried out > the Gemini GX-250's for a little while (the local dealer was out of stock > on the 350's, and talked me into taking a pair of 250's for a week to see > if they'd work out). The 250's would sound great if I were only using > guitar and effects. I also wanted the GX-250 because it's a mere 29 > pounds. Unfortunately, I need a bit more bass range (synth, Stick, drum > machine) than it's able to produce, so I upgraded to the GX-350's. > > The GX-250 is going for around $200 each. GX-350, I picked up for $250. > > --m. > -- > _______ > "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 20:37:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3094C3BEE6; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=OSX3zJYYWl/9dOyXZhJNGOXK74zohibUbiznzg26v5cbINrSwMLYKZNw/jIHtv36m06+XF8ca42vh2OHPGwA2XVQBEfEq3qjkhqzk2aR1dbS5GptXHWHP1onhTqUp98XRF119D6p98CUVlnNU6a5QvRmu2VAORUiTQRqitftqRk= Message-ID: <26ba8d120608101337xfac7c65s89ac455281928627@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:37:42 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch In-Reply-To: <23814418.1155065306985.JavaMail.root@web19> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <23814418.1155065306985.JavaMail.root@web19> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 97c345d941db6bed Resent-Message-ID: <5MoSBB.A.pCF.Xk52EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Oops, I missed this. On 8/8/06, Paul Richards wrote: > What do you mean by pre-recorded material? Loading the RC-50 via USB port with loops? Yes. > I do live loops and I haven't noticed a problem. Well, perhaps there's something I'm doing wrong. I start with an empty patch, start to record, but when I finish recording, on the first pass through the loop, the first second or two is missing. After that it's fine. Now, if you always start with a pre-recorded loop in the machine, this doesn't happen. But if you don't have any pre-recorded material, it seems that the glitch occurs every time... /t > > The one thing I don't like, however, is there doesn't seem to be a good way, that I can see, to determine the end of a loop when playing, i.e. visual feedback. When I hit the 'next loop' button for loop 2 or loop 3, I have trouble determining when the next loop is going to fire as I have END LOOP settings for indivdual loops. > -- > Paul > > ---- Tom Ritchford wrote: > > It really depends on whether you want to start with pre-recorded > > loops, in which case it's fine, or you want to start with a live loop, > > in which case it is not. > > > > Since I don't pre-record material, I'm out of luck. > > > > Generally, it's hard to understand people who don't find this an > > issue. The first thing I do with a loop pedal is simply play into it > > and grab a loop. It doesn't do that right. > > > > /t > > > > > > On 8/7/06, Paul wrote: > > > I haven't found the 'glitch' to be a problem at all - at least for home > > > recording use. When building my initial loops, I don't care if I hear the > > > 'glitch' the first time through. Once the loops are built, I then play over > > > them. > > > > > > I hope that it will eventually get fixed, though, assuming that the problem > > > isn't insurmountable. > > > > > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "loop.pool" > > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 9:15 PM > > > Subject: RC-50 glitch > > > > > > > > > >I have a student who I"m trying to advise to purchase a stop box looper. > > > > > > > > Does this RC-50 glitch take this pedal out of the running? > > > > > > > > I don't have one so I don't know how bad it is. > > > > > > > > Can you advise me what to advise him? > > > > > > > > yours, rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 21:13:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9662B3BEE4; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060810171312.c0rn07b284k88s0c@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:12 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:13:18 +0000 (UTC) I realize you're leaning towards pa speakers now instead of the guitar amp, however I was playing with a jazz guy the other night and he had an amp that floored me as to how good it sounded, and it was dinky tiny. roughly 14 x 15 x 10 and only weighs 24 lbs. built in di and spring reverb, biamped... it was called a David, made in Europe by Schertler. Not for the faint of wallet as someone else said but did it ever sound good. http://www.schertlerusa.com/david.htm Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 21:19:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E9223BEE0; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003801c6bcc2$9ed47980$800101df@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Attitudes to instruments/loopers (Derek Bailey) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:10:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:19:12 +0000 (UTC) >> And so from such minimalistic beginnings, yada gabba hey. But in any >> event I had to wonder if others using effects, vsts etc had thought of >> the fact that one is playing everything in the signal path at times. >> Does this only involve when one is seeking a deliberate result? I consider all my effects 'playable' as anything with a knob is fair game. I've gotten some weird results by turning the patch selection knob on my Adrenalinn run through a looper. Just the process of playing with my effects turns up interesting results, unfortunately, I'm usually so 'into' what I'm doing, that I forget what I did and it's gone into the ether. Hopefully, it's been recorded so I can play with THAT later. :) I haven't mastered any of my effects/loopers, so doing something deliberate is, uh, well... intermittent at best. Maybe to my detriment, but it's always an interesting ride while I'm experimenting. So, I guess I'm on the side that doesn't look at loopers having limitations or lack of features, I just use them for what they do have. It's just another tool with given parameters. I guess in the same way I like having several different guitars and synths and not a Variax or an all-in-one synth. ya know? Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 21:58:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 418283BEDB; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S71Y5ch0+K3W3fEZfvTaS0zeNjx5gdqIQDaS2lOkFNfDEWygZBn6dZWWlrYw4BnjLRaJbcp9HCV1+VYp7NcFz2uIhjdNtD9BWBsX6VbmdmwMerjr8O/WGyNiK8qPjvo8bjViyrFm/0U2PakIONvFxmbnMV2EGmIddJJaU3YL6XM= Message-ID: <64b81a780608101456o653b390aqa7a5c93d2096d2a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:56:34 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps In-Reply-To: <02c801c6bcbb$36244250$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <02c801c6bcbb$36244250$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Kris, I've mentioned my setup before to the list and I'd hate to sound like a Carvin shill, but as you're focusing on PAs now, you might be interested in another option. A couple years back I picked up a Carvin DCM150 (1U rack 150W stereo power amp) and a pair of their 805 Club Speakers. The whole shebang cost me in the neighborhood of $500. I've now got beautifully transparent amplification in true stereo. The speakers are fairly light as they're 10 inchers (plus tweeters). If you didn't want stereo, the amp can run bridged mono to a single speaker. Todd On 8/10/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks! The prices are great. I'm looking at the frequency responses of t= he > Gemni, Mackie, and JBL 10" powered cabs (since this is the only speaker > size they all share in common) > > Gemni GX250 cab Frequency Response: 50-20 KHz (actually they say respons= e, > but this is stated as a range...a response has to have a +/- figure...tha= t > is suspicious, but I'll assume +/- 3db) - $199 > Mackie SRM350 Frequence Response: (-3 dB) 83 Hz - 18.5 kHz - $550 > JBL EON10 G2 cab Frequency repsonse: (=B13 dB): 90 Hz - 16 kHz - $500 > > Gemini beats both JBL and Mackie on this spec, but I'd like to know how > quiet they are. I have two powered EV speakers, which sound great, but th= ey > have a little bit of a hiss. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mech" mech@m3ch.net > > > At 1:41 PM -0600 8/10/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >>I am comparing the specs now between the JBL EON 10" and the complement= ary > >>Mackie cab, and the Mackie seems to have slightly better specs, such as= in > >>frequency response/range, etc...but not by far. The Mackie has more > >>wattage going into the woofer, whereas the JBL has relatively more watt= age > >>going into the horn. I may start by buying just one Mackie, then when= I > >>can afford it, get the other. > > > > Kris, check out these before blowing cash on the Mackie: > > > > http://www.geminidj.com/gx250.html > > > > Also, if you need more low end (12" speakers): > > > > http://www.geminidj.com/gx350.html > > > > Gemini are well-respected for producing gear for the DJ market, but don= 't > > have a whole lot of visibility amongst regular musicians (their iKey > > recorder is about the only thing that most rank-&-file guys see). This > > doesn't mean they don't produce decent product, though. > > > > These are a viable alternative to the Mackie's, IMNSHO, and are half th= e > > price. Personally, as mentioned by somebody else here previously, I al= so > > find the Mackie's "honky" (I think that was the word used). While they= 're > > not horrid, I don't find their price justified by anything other than > > Mackie's name. > > > > I currently use one of the Gemini GX-350's myself. I actually tried ou= t > > the Gemini GX-250's for a little while (the local dealer was out of sto= ck > > on the 350's, and talked me into taking a pair of 250's for a week to s= ee > > if they'd work out). The 250's would sound great if I were only using > > guitar and effects. I also wanted the GX-250 because it's a mere 29 > > pounds. Unfortunately, I need a bit more bass range (synth, Stick, dru= m > > machine) than it's able to produce, so I upgraded to the GX-350's. > > > > The GX-250 is going for around $200 each. GX-350, I picked up for $250= . > > > > --m. > > -- > > _______ > > "Take a packet of seeds. Take yourself out to play > > I want to see river of orchids where we had a motorway..." > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 23:11:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CA253BECC; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <02c801c6bcbb$36244250$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C0ABF16@keel.sailpoint.com> <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <02c801c6bcbb$36244250$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:11:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:11:27 +0000 (UTC) At 2:26 PM -0600 8/10/06, Krispen Hartung wrote: >50-20 KHz (actually they say response, but this is stated as a >range...a response has to have a +/- figure...that is suspicious, >but I'll assume +/- 3db) Hrm, nice catch. I should have noticed that before. I can say that there seems to be a slight bit of non-linearity in the mids on the GX-250, but not unflatteringly so. The 10"s actually seemed to add a little extra character to many of the guitar patches which I tried it with. That's why I made a mental note that these should work well for any guitar-oriented musicians. >Gemini beats both JBL and Mackie on this spec, but I'd like to know >how quiet they are. I have two powered EV speakers, which sound >great, but they have a little bit of a hiss. This is going to be entirely subjective, so you really need to try one for yourself. However, I'd say that the noise level is pretty good. If I'm just using it myself in my living room, I can fill up the space and practice adequately without hearing any hiss, unless I put my ear all the way into the speaker. If I have my GX-350 turned up to about half-volume (loud enough for most venues), I can make out a little hiss when I'm sitting right next to it and not playing. If you try one out, you should know that the gain staging is a little weird. For the least amount of hiss, I'm used to turning the Master Gain as far up as possible before hearing hiss, then very gradually bringing the Preamp/Individual Channel Gain up from zero until I get to the level I want. The Gemini's are the first monitors I've used that are actually the exact opposite: Set the Master to zero and bring up the Channel Gain to about 3 o'clock, then gradually increase the Master Gain until you get to your desired level. Also, you might want to A/B the hiss between the GX-250's and GX-350's. I seem to remember the 250's as being a tiny bit noisier, but that may just be because the 350's are more powerful and don't need to be turned up as loud to obtain the needed SPL's. --m. -- _______ "Somewhere between anticipation and nostalgia we should have been happy." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 10 23:40:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD4FD3BEE0; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2fpuWGgztit8pNFfYOjrAKu2QN1LteqiSrx+3nFY+/++ZKwegHRemxxte940BDUd+xvswnxCToAP1/hbLcUHx0XCDvdkd9zSYeXw8eLvSDNTVE31oHDS+xRvWhVFh3prC3rKJX/Yqm4yd8uVzpm/u/r6XuKjD1992wmHfLdwuzY= ; Message-ID: <20060810234008.65121.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02a601c6bcb4$eca06e70$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:40:10 +0000 (UTC) I found the JBLs to be really lacking in the deeper range of bass freq. Probably wouldn't notice it if your'e doing mostly guitar but I do a lot of electronic instruments where getting down deep is important. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I am comparing the specs now between the JBL EON 10" > and the complementary > Mackie cab, and the Mackie seems to have slightly > better specs, such as in > frequency response/range, etc...but not by far. The > Mackie has more wattage > going into the woofer, whereas the JBL has > relatively more wattage going > into the horn. I may start by buying just one > Mackie, then when I can > afford it, get the other. > > This Fender powered monitor looks sort of > interesting: > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1271PowMon/ > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Larson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:03 PM > Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > > > > > From: Krispen Hartung > > > > What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar > amp for $1000 > > that I am not getting in a decent powered full > range PA speaker? > > I've also become interested in this recently. The > JBL EON10 G2 > looked nice, but I was thinking of getting two of > them for stereo > which would be more than I want to spend. I saw the > Roland CM-30 > CUBE Monitor which is cheap enough to get two, but > it only has 6.5" > speakers. Does anyone have any experience with > these? > > Jeff > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 00:32:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0FD03BEDF; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [74.104.73.154] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: upcoming looping gig - Ottawa Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:32:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2006 00:32:31.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1EEE4A0:01C6BCDD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 00:32:35 +0000 (UTC)
Hey Everybody,
 
I thought I'd send out a note and let people know of a upcoming looping gig I'm doing this Saturday in Ottawa Canada.  I sent one of these out yesterday but I don't think it made it.  If you're getting two, my appologies!
 
Here is the press release. 
 
You want to be there.
Solo Artists and Musical Wizards:Dave Lauzon, Marc Charron, Mike Sasso

In a time when so much sounds the same and every new artist is a replica of their influences, true creativity in music is rare. Even rarer are those embarking on a solo career, with the vision to explore new musical territory. On August 12th, Café Dekcuf will be indulging in a night of musical wizardry featuring solo artists, Mike Sasso, Marc Charron and Dave Lauzon.

Opening act, Mike Sasso is an eclectic folk musician and gifted guitarist. As one who normally chooses song writing and studio work over performing, this is a rare appearance and the opportunity to hear truly unique ideas.

Following Sasso will be popular singer-songwriter, Marc Charron. A vibrant and spontaneous musician Charron has successfully toured Canada and Australia, winning over new fans through his catchy songs and creative musicianship. Now the guitarist and vocals for Lure, Charron still thrives on the energy created between himself and the crowd during his solo performances.

Headlining act, Dave Lauzon, is a talented guitarist, sonic experimentalist and fearless improviser. Formerly the lead guitarist of nero, Dave Lauzon’s new solo work combines both electric and acoustic instrumental pieces in a jazz–rock blend, succinct and original percussion, swirling, melodic guitar riffs and the heady, ambient use of effects. As Lauzon moves from a touching acoustic piece to a soaring guitar solo then envelopes the room in layers of rocking percussion, the result is a dancing, expansive and emotional sound that is sure to capture your attention and imagination. You’ve never listened as closely, you’ve never danced as hard to just one guy.

What makes this night a unique experience is not only the talent, creativity and diversity of the three acts, but also the amazing fact that they each call Ottawa home.

Details: Doors open 8pm. Show 9pm Cover $7.
 

 
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 01:39:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF92D3BEDF; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:39:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h38wjYmh2ztL4Dhm+61FEDfofJgfi8ZIwOfDAiz69BELuZNqpLr4AaoR+QPso5bDfpOJeq7+EnLThFjBQkbyKvwJx4bYTUMfdxMeHrPIM78OFPIK8DGGwPhjyT7j0fqAsGDru/YF2V5uoYBw4+SBm6VvWkJQD9VxQIGLGXcdJZQ= Message-ID: <913728d60608101839x18596b0ah5d96d287f787896e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:39:49 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale In-Reply-To: <913728d60607312043y126b8cdbgc2744d60a6ab243@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <913728d60607312043y126b8cdbgc2744d60a6ab243@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:39:58 +0000 (UTC) i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) Charlie On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey wrote: > hello fellow loopers! > > well, its about that time to upgrade my looping device, and so to fund > that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon Jamman. It has the 32 > second upgrade and I don't think i need to put much information about > it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more about it than i do :) > > i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or anything like that, > so feel free to contact me and i will send you pics or any other > information that you may need > > I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) > i would like to keep this to the US or canada, mainly because i don't > know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no offense :) > > > Thanks for looking! :) > > Charlie > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 04:11:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77D493BEDC; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060810234008.65121.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060810234008.65121.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <45A3FF38-C251-426B-BB3B-87FD2A101B76@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:11:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:11:26 +0000 (UTC) This is very interesting (for me anyway). My goal is a compact, light weight, relatively cheap, full range amp for acoustic instruments, VST instruments, and of course loopers. An integrated mixer with at least 3 channels (guitar, mic, looper output) is desired, an aux send to the looper input is required, and stereo is preferred (at least as an option with an extra cab). I'm not a keyboard player, but I started looking at keyboard amps thinking these would tend to be full-range like PA amps. These looked interesting: Traynor K4 Motion Sound KP100S These are both "stereo" but since the speakers reside in the same cab, I'm not expecting much. The Motion Sound looks especially interesting as it is cheaper and only 38 pounds, and about the same price as a single JBL/Mackie 10". If these had an even passable stereo spread I would prefer them over a pair of PA speakers for the size/weight. Anyone familiar with these? Thanks, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 04:11:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13C3C3BEE8; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: <20060810200043.375003BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20060810200043.375003BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-868687469 Message-Id: From: Richard Roberts Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:12:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) Resent-Message-ID: <3pcb5B.A.0WG.uNA3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:11:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-868687469 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I actually have a pair of JBL Eon G2's with the 10" woofer. I really like them for their power and clarity. I know the Mackies spec out a bit better, but they're also a little more than a bit more expensive. The G2 10" is fine by itself for my various flutes and wind instruments. However, when I would set up a very deep, bassy drone on my wind-controlled synth and looped it through my Lexicon JamMans, the bottom end would tend to get a little muddy sometimes. So, I added a small, 200Watt sub-woofer, and this combination seems to handle everything just right. I looked at the Eon's with the 15", but they were heavier, just hernias with handles. But the Eon G2 10s are light weight, which saves my not-as-young-as it-used-to-be back, small enough to use in very small venues like coffeehouses, and yet loud enough to cover a couple of hundred folks in a medium-sized hall when they're up on stands. Richard Roberts ZERO OHMS "We are no longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: music." - Karlheinz Stockhausen On Aug 10, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:03 PM > Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > > > >> From: Krispen Hartung >> >> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 >> that I am not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? > > I've also become interested in this recently. The JBL EON10 G2 > looked nice, but I was thinking of getting two of them for stereo > which would be more than I want to spend. I saw the Roland CM-30 > CUBE Monitor which is cheap enough to get two, but it only has 6.5" > speakers. Does anyone have any experience with these? > > Jeff --Apple-Mail-1-868687469 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I actually have a pair of JBL = Eon G2's with the 10" woofer. I really like them for their power and = clarity. I know the Mackies spec out a bit better, but they're also a = little more than a bit more expensive. The G2 10" is fine by itself for = my various flutes and wind instruments. However, when I would set up a = very deep, bassy drone on my wind-controlled synth and=A0looped = it=A0through my Lexicon JamMans, the bottom end would tend to get a = little muddy sometimes. So, I added a small, 200Watt sub-woofer, and = this combination seems to handle everything just right.=A0
I looked = at the Eon's with the 15", but they were heavier, just hernias with = handles. But the Eon G2 10s are light weight, which saves my = not-as-young-as it-used-to-be back, small enough to use in very small = venues like coffeehouses, and yet loud enough to cover a couple of = hundred folks in a medium-sized hall when they're up on = stands.

Richard = Roberts
ZERO OHMS

"We are no = longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case = when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: = music."=A0=A0
- Karlheinz = Stockhausen


=

On Aug 10, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Loopers-Deli= ght-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>= ;

To: = <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:03 PM

Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light = Acoustic Guitar Amps




From: = Krispen Hartung


What am I getting in a boutique = acoustic guitar amp for $1000

that I am=A0 not = getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker?

=


I've also become interested in this recently.=A0 The JBL EON10 G2

=

looked nice, but I was = thinking of getting two of them for stereo

which would be more than I want to = spend.=A0 I saw the Roland = CM-30

CUBE = Monitor which is cheap enough to get two, but it only has = 6.5"

speakers.=A0 = Does anyone have any experience with these?


Jeff


= --Apple-Mail-1-868687469-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 04:18:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8983BEDB; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:18:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ef01c6bcfd$2f901f80$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060810234008.65121.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45A3FF38-C251-426B-BB3B-87FD2A101B76@zonemobius.com> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:18:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:18:27 +0000 (UTC) The motion sound looks really interesting. I have similar requirements as you, but what I am really finding annoying now is the amps that have built in effects. None of them have the combination that I need...I see Reverb with Chorus, Reverb only, Chorus only, etc, etc...but what I really want is Reverb and Delay, and level for each. The Roland AC-60 doesn't even have this...the Ultrasound gets closer, but still not there. I'd rather not have to buy an effects processor acoustic guitar jazz setup...I prefer to just plug in and get what I want. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Larson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > > This is very interesting (for me anyway). > > My goal is a compact, light weight, relatively cheap, full range amp for > acoustic instruments, VST instruments, and of course loopers. An > integrated > mixer with at least 3 channels (guitar, mic, looper output) is desired, > an aux send to the looper input is required, and stereo is preferred > (at least as an option with an extra cab). > > I'm not a keyboard player, but I started looking at keyboard amps > thinking these would tend to be full-range like PA amps. These looked > interesting: > > Traynor K4 > Motion Sound KP100S > > These are both "stereo" but since the speakers reside in the same cab, > I'm not expecting much. The Motion Sound looks especially interesting > as it is cheaper and only 38 pounds, and about the same price as > a single JBL/Mackie 10". If these had an even passable stereo spread > I would prefer them over a pair of PA speakers for the size/weight. > > Anyone familiar with these? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 04:37:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C08173BEF1; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040401c6bcff$da297430$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060810200043.375003BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:37:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0401_01C6BCCD.8EB3BF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 04:37:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0401_01C6BCCD.8EB3BF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know some folks knock Behringer for being cheap and low end stuff, but = check this out....these are the ONLY acoustic amps I've found in two = days that allow both delay and reverb at the same time. In fact their = effect combinations are outstanding: http://www.behringer.com/ACX1000/index.cfm?lang=3DENG - $439.99 USD*=20 http://www.behringer.com/ACX450/index.cfm?lang=3DENG (has two = independent effect processors) - $269.99 USD*=20 Anyone using these? The prices are excellent, and not a HUGE investment. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0401_01C6BCCD.8EB3BF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know some folks knock Behringer for = being cheap=20 and low end stuff, but check this out....these are the ONLY acoustic = amps I've=20 found in two days that allow both delay and reverb at the same time. In = fact=20 their effect combinations are outstanding:
 
http://www= .behringer.com/ACX1000/index.cfm?lang=3DENG -=20 $439.99 USD*
 
http://www.= behringer.com/ACX450/index.cfm?lang=3DENG (has=20 two independent effect processors) - $269.99 USD*
 
Anyone using these? The prices are = excellent, and=20 not a HUGE investment.
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0401_01C6BCCD.8EB3BF60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 08:02:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8DF03BEE6; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GxKW8TzyNTFfVe2h2AE41nOngkiYlhZka3BQMVWl+Bahp9+QtMkzD//ZdAuq8Rbe; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <14891863.1155283337752.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:02:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48fd77d4e1bf643e33fe07bfd79b5d7b35a2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: <2tnbzD.A.AWF.KmD3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:02:18 +0000 (UTC) fwiw-i use EON powered subs w/ the 15s for my wacko 70s ElectroHarmonix MicroSynth single hertz drones and it makes me innards shudder- stan -----Original Message----- >From: mark sottilaro >Sent: Aug 10, 2006 4:40 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > >I found the JBLs to be really lacking in the deeper >range of bass freq. Probably wouldn't notice it if >your'e doing mostly guitar but I do a lot of >electronic instruments where getting down deep is >important. > >--- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I am comparing the specs now between the JBL EON 10" >> and the complementary >> Mackie cab, and the Mackie seems to have slightly >> better specs, such as in >> frequency response/range, etc...but not by far. The >> Mackie has more wattage >> going into the woofer, whereas the JBL has >> relatively more wattage going >> into the horn. I may start by buying just one >> Mackie, then when I can >> afford it, get the other. >> >> This Fender powered monitor looks sort of >> interesting: >> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1271PowMon/ >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jeff Larson" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 12:03 PM >> Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps >> >> >> >> > From: Krispen Hartung >> > >> > What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar >> amp for $1000 >> > that I am not getting in a decent powered full >> range PA speaker? >> >> I've also become interested in this recently. The >> JBL EON10 G2 >> looked nice, but I was thinking of getting two of >> them for stereo >> which would be more than I want to spend. I saw the >> Roland CM-30 >> CUBE Monitor which is cheap enough to get two, but >> it only has 6.5" >> speakers. Does anyone have any experience with >> these? >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 08:59:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D2EB3BEDF; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44DC4702.9080408@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:59:46 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD Forum References: <20060726152841.14526.qmail@web27714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <0ffd01c6b0e0$1fd196b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0ffd01c6b0e0$1fd196b0$10b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > What would be cool, to prevent having a redundant system, is a program > that used the data from the LD archive to show a web-based discussion > thread view of the list...and then make it so that you can view a > message and click a "respond" button. I don't know how Kim has the > database setup, but it seems like the technology is out there to do > this. So, it wouldn't be a separate forum, but just another view and > user interface of the LD list. The Max list went this way and it seemed to be a big change. I guess at least one person was doing a fulltime job for several months to make it happen. In the end it was open for spambots for one or two days which was enough to flood my inbox since then with significantly more and annoying spam. I probably have to change my e-mail adress... The only advantage was the opening for less community aware members. (I still wellcome them, but it needed a lot more "educational" explanations how a list community works, and the fluctuation on the list of course is much bigger as well.) This made a lot of sense for cycling, as they do sell software and there is a need for this sort of support. I doubt the loopers-delight community would benefit much from it... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 09:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9796B3BEE6; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44DC47BB.2070308@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:02:51 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quick poll References: <007201c6b495$febfd770$5a01a8c0@mark> <391BB050-20B8-11DB-B4A3-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <913728d60607311030g13e4d5cbke5d3fa28a3af8693@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Laptop and MAX/MSP me too... -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 09:03:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBCC63BEE8; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44DC47EC.5050506@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:03:40 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. References: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's my bag all right....everything I do these days is totally > spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal. The only fun with drugs I had was because they were illegal... Coming to my next project: illegal music. I am just starting into my hollidays and therfore have probably only phone connections, but I'll put it up when I come back. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 09:15:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A4D3BEDC; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44DC47EC.5050506@addcom.de> References: <20060727031647.869.qmail@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c6b1fe$7645c010$54b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44DC47EC.5050506@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <7316143020d0775c46574ab781cd9ebe@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. and Quick Poll Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:15:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <7vbsID.A.U3G.6qE3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:15:39 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 11, 2006, at 2:03 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Coming to my next project: illegal music. Count me in. I've had the cops visit a few gigs....but, man, this would=20= take it to a whole new level.... Anybody besides Stefan and I using much max for looping? I think Todd=20 is using it for some things...? (BTW, Stefan, have a great holiiday.) jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 13:21:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CE6E3BED9; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:20:34 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #489 for August 10, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44DC8422.8040902@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:21:05 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/060810.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, webcasting on the internet, and simulcasting on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville at Lehigh Carbon County Community College. Show #489 August 10, 2006 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was disc two of "Das Wagner Desaster" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Exit" by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records and released in 1981. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Tangerine Dream Pilots of Purple Exit (Virgin) Twilight Paul Ellis Forever Endeavor The Infinity Room (Groove) Nattefrost Absorbed in Dreams Absorbed in Dreams and and Yearning Yearning (Groove) Bruno Sanfilippo InTROmental InTRO (ad21) Jeff Sampson and Not Even All the Thrice Thy Heart Shall Broken Sara Ayers Stars Be (Atmo Works) Touch X Tone Astroboy Astroboy (none) Une Voce Thosting One Butterfly Phantasmagoria (none) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze Liebe Das Wagner Desaster - CD2 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Hass Das Wagner Desaster - CD2 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Encore Sevilla * Das Wagner Desaster - CD2 (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mirage" on Revisited Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Departure from the Northern Wasteland" by Michael Hoenig on Kuckuck Records and released in 1978. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:07:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8371C3BEC5; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mj/JbkUk5N1+5tOs5LQVjvJ2stY8ObdvBE8HICoIaM/LZ4l4bexcKNgBiFsx43/TN5yh5HHcMKVkZNQPooW7ejOJNg9of96xHKpg5lkGxkUUxIepPBRWR4Jvy8Bzz7gX2wEoWHLNQ+xpa/ec9tpm3S043kbcUNwjoQEvLfH6Bng= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:07:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. and Quick Poll From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Favorite Five Threads on L.D. and Quick Poll Thread-Index: Aca9T3/AvlfzbClCEdu76AAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <7316143020d0775c46574ab781cd9ebe@pfmentum.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <-1OhbB.A.3RF.u8I3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:07:42 +0000 (UTC) This todd is using it too... My patch written by Jody Elff, but I'm going to try to rewrite it using groove~ for the 5 loops. T. On 8/11/06 5:15 AM, "Jeff Kaiser" wrote: >=20 > On Aug 11, 2006, at 2:03 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: >=20 >> Coming to my next project: illegal music. >=20 >=20 > Count me in. I've had the cops visit a few gigs....but, man, this would > take it to a whole new level.... >=20 > Anybody besides Stefan and I using much max for looping? I think Todd > is using it for some things...? >=20 > (BTW, Stefan, have a great holiiday.) >=20 > jeff >=20 >=20 > Jeff Kaiser > http://www.JeffKaiser.com > pfMENTUM.com =80 AngryVegan.com >=20 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= : :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Todd Reynolds Music todd@toddreynolds.com http://toddreynolds.com ::::::::: 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) IM: toddreyn Skype: toddreyn ::::::::::::::: 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: PO Box 351 N. Adams MA 01247-0351 :::::::::::::::::: Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::= : ::=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:22:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 040F73BED6; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jCI0osOo/vd90RtW5vvL3ZkqF6F02HyqLEComFQUW8L9ZZEEvFFjnMWrYQzfIMWaZIAycua5KoivWH+upAzv2oSvXCSNifZO9w0IVU65OGe80AfXZzXhjYFBgOVzGr7/vmkE7cYdPPgsBrqPpSNIXWpPOwKR2hG3V7f/GdD82b0= ; Message-ID: <20060811142238.47431.qmail@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: play guitar like a drum To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <55LiWD.A.4zF.vKJ3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:22:39 +0000 (UTC) This could help: http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/categories.php?m=BELCAT cheers Luis > > Tapping the collective: > > Is there a simple way to make an acoustic/electic > guitar sound more like > drum when you beat on it, or more like a bass even > if it's tuned down a > whole step and you're playing with the pad of your > thumb? How about at the > same time, hmm? > > I'm talking hardware, specifically > footswitch-ware, not software... that'd > be too easy! Will one of those cheapo 7-band EQ's > work? Never tried one... > I'm wary. Ideas? Common practices? > > David > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:33:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94FF73BEE9; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yqgEmeFch2fYzhOyqT4lG6zHZu1WYSUuStBIcDlq8LEJnUAnwvuF1C9wLGfZabvoE4WBuy2G9chaHI/zlez9tgXBhG+XNYKBna3THQ25I/MsMVpogC/UgvsQLmky9jsD+PZ+OJreyaAlQ4sHdDwpkcVLoYJfmjbY7K6NWwDHY1A= ; Message-ID: <20060811143304.71217.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013301c6bc01$34375af0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:33:05 +0000 (UTC) I get a very nice sound going directly into a Mackie cfx 1202 with a bit of reverb and 2 active yamahas sm450´s,really no need for efx,eqs etc. Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Ah..there is some synchronicity occurring here, > Mark. I just read on an > acoustic guitar forum (used to be the Taylor Forum), > where this guy > recommended this same approach, suggesting that the > quality of your poweramp > and speaker would be better, better frequency > response, more transparent, > etc. Now I tend to agree with you here. I am > looking into buying one of the > Mackie or JBL powered 1X10" full range powered > cabs....because I can kill > two birds with one stone...I've been wanting another > set of smaller powered > PA cabs for monitors at the events I coordinate. I > may not even need a > preamp or modeler, because this Taylor of mine > already has the preamp/EQ > system in it. The PA should reproduce exactly what > it gets from the guitar, > and right now this Taylor nylon string of mine > sounds spectacular just > direct into a mixer board with headphones....no > reason to colorize it even > more with yet another set of circuitry. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > for Nylon String Guitars > > > >I know this sounds crazy (but it might just work!), > > but why not get a full range pa style speaker of > good > > quality and use a good preamp or amp modeler > before > > it? This way you'll be able to get good electric > > guitar, bass, acoustic and synths all from one > > speaker. Lighten your load a bit too as some of > them, > > like the Mackie's are a bit lighter than a full on > > guitar combo amp. > > > > I can understand having a nice amp for home/studio > > work but in todays topsy turvy world if you don't > have > > a roady I don't see the point in lugging one > around. > > Also, as sad as it may be, I doubt your audience > would > > notice the difference in most situations (except > for > > those on this list) > > > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out > >> there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you > >> using amps (not PA), and if so what? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:50:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94ECE3BEDC; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <048401c6bd55$817535d0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060811143304.71217.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:50:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:50:39 +0000 (UTC) You are right, and I have a simliar system that I've used: Two powered EV Sx100 12" cabs and my mackie board...but it doesn't meet my jazz gig criteria setup time of 5 minutes or less, nor does it meet my system weight criteria...30 pounds or less. :) Other than this, I totally agree. That setup is good as any, plus stereo. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps for Nylon String Guitars >I get a very nice sound going directly into a Mackie > cfx 1202 with a bit of reverb and 2 active yamahas > sm450´s,really no need for efx,eqs etc. > Luis > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Ah..there is some synchronicity occurring here, >> Mark. I just read on an >> acoustic guitar forum (used to be the Taylor Forum), >> where this guy >> recommended this same approach, suggesting that the >> quality of your poweramp >> and speaker would be better, better frequency >> response, more transparent, >> etc. Now I tend to agree with you here. I am >> looking into buying one of the >> Mackie or JBL powered 1X10" full range powered >> cabs....because I can kill >> two birds with one stone...I've been wanting another >> set of smaller powered >> PA cabs for monitors at the events I coordinate. I >> may not even need a >> preamp or modeler, because this Taylor of mine >> already has the preamp/EQ >> system in it. The PA should reproduce exactly what >> it gets from the guitar, >> and right now this Taylor nylon string of mine >> sounds spectacular just >> direct into a mixer board with headphones....no >> reason to colorize it even >> more with yet another set of circuitry. >> >> Kris >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "mark sottilaro" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:31 PM >> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps >> for Nylon String Guitars >> >> >> >I know this sounds crazy (but it might just work!), >> > but why not get a full range pa style speaker of >> good >> > quality and use a good preamp or amp modeler >> before >> > it? This way you'll be able to get good electric >> > guitar, bass, acoustic and synths all from one >> > speaker. Lighten your load a bit too as some of >> them, >> > like the Mackie's are a bit lighter than a full on >> > guitar combo amp. >> > >> > I can understand having a nice amp for home/studio >> > work but in todays topsy turvy world if you don't >> have >> > a roady I don't see the point in lugging one >> around. >> > Also, as sad as it may be, I doubt your audience >> would >> > notice the difference in most situations (except >> for >> > those on this list) >> > >> > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: >> > >> >> I know it's off topic, but for those loopers out >> >> there using acoustic guitars like myself, are you >> >> using amps (not PA), and if so what? >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >> protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 14:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0D93BEDF; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049e01c6bd56$a1208d20$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060810200043.375003BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> <040401c6bcff$da297430$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:58:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_049B_01C6BD24.55A0ED40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:58:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_049B_01C6BD24.55A0ED40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no comment on these items? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:37 PM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps I know some folks knock Behringer for being cheap and low end stuff, = but check this out....these are the ONLY acoustic amps I've found in two = days that allow both delay and reverb at the same time. In fact their = effect combinations are outstanding: http://www.behringer.com/ACX1000/index.cfm?lang=3DENG - $439.99 USD*=20 http://www.behringer.com/ACX450/index.cfm?lang=3DENG (has two = independent effect processors) - $269.99 USD*=20 Anyone using these? The prices are excellent, and not a HUGE = investment. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_049B_01C6BD24.55A0ED40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
no comment on these items?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 = 10:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light = Acoustic=20 Guitar Amps

I know some folks knock Behringer for = being cheap=20 and low end stuff, but check this out....these are the ONLY acoustic = amps I've=20 found in two days that allow both delay and reverb at the same time. = In fact=20 their effect combinations are outstanding:
 
http://www= .behringer.com/ACX1000/index.cfm?lang=3DENG -=20 $439.99 USD*
 
http://www.= behringer.com/ACX450/index.cfm?lang=3DENG (has=20 two independent effect processors) - $269.99 USD*
 
Anyone using these? The prices are = excellent, and=20 not a HUGE investment.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_049B_01C6BD24.55A0ED40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 15:24:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA273BEF5; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <913728d60608101839x18596b0ah5d96d287f787896e@mail.gmail.com> References: <913728d60607312043y126b8cdbgc2744d60a6ab243@mail.gmail.com> <913728d60608101839x18596b0ah5d96d287f787896e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:23:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Good luck. I priced mine for sale at $350, full 32 seconds, latest Bob Sellon O/S for 4 tracks of looping, original OS and manuals.... no bites. Probably the best 'sounding' looper in my collection... >i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) > >Charlie > >On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey wrote: >>hello fellow loopers! >> >>well, its about that time to upgrade my looping device, and so to fund >>that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon Jamman. It has the 32 >>second upgrade and I don't think i need to put much information about >>it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more about it than i do :) >> >>i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or anything like that, >>so feel free to contact me and i will send you pics or any other >>information that you may need >> >>I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) >>i would like to keep this to the US or canada, mainly because i don't >>know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no offense :) >> >> >>Thanks for looking! :) >> >>Charlie -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 16:08:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E51B3BEEA; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: RE: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:07:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c6bd60$4551d9e0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <028b01c6bc8e$ad3c83c0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-From: ark@acm.org X-Spam-Status: No Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:08:03 +0000 (UTC) > What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that I am > not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? I have one of these on order: http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I don't like it. What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker? 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ. 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range (in exchange for loss of efficiency). 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete. The reviews I've been able to find on the web are glowing. We shall see. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 16:14:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 306823BEF1; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20060811121447.qinxeqtdwgg8kw0c@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:14:47 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps References: <20060810200043.375003BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> <040401c6bcff$da297430$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <049e01c6bd56$a1208d20$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <049e01c6bd56$a1208d20$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:14:53 +0000 (UTC) I had an acx1000 last year, just sold it recently. yes it did have lots of delay and reverb settings, built in tube.... but I never did like the sound. It was heavy to lug around and almost any other amp of similar size that I played sounded better. I never would have bought it, but my wife knew that I was looking at acoustic amps and bought it as an anniversery gift, then the store wouldn't take it back.... They would have done an exchange but at the time they didn't have anything else that was useful to me. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Quoting Krispen Hartung : > no comment on these items? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Krispen Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > > > I know some folks knock Behringer for being cheap and low end stuff, > but check this out....these are the ONLY acoustic amps I've found in > two days that allow both delay and reverb at the same time. In fact > their effect combinations are outstanding: > > http://www.behringer.com/ACX1000/index.cfm?lang=ENG - $439.99 USD* > > http://www.behringer.com/ACX450/index.cfm?lang=ENG (has two > independent effect processors) - $269.99 USD* > > Anyone using these? The prices are excellent, and not a HUGE investment. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 16:16:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73303BEF9; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:14:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New "Acid" CD out! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:16:43 +0000 (UTC) I've been revamping my catalog and put some older live abums and CDs to rest. They might come back as the long rumored Music For Isolation Tanks Double LIVE CD (how 70s!) at some point. In the meantime I'm excited about the new stuff which is unlike anything I've released so far. Thsi one is based in Acid techno but has some looping and experimental noise stuff (you know like Acid used to be :)) Only two instruments, lots of mayhem. Here's the scoop: -------------------------------- New CD release only $10 available online at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/catalog.htm David Talento - ACID 2006 (limited edition of 25 Full Color copies) After years of live gigs and studio jams HWP is proud to offer a live nonstop CD of David Talento performing minimal, raw, and unapologetic Acid techno using unconventional but effective newer instruments. Here is an Excerpt http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/songz/legion_acid_2006.mp3 View the Limited Edition release packaging: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/acid_2006.jpg Thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 16:22:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF513BF0C; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04cc01c6bd62$63df6fb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000d01c6bd60$4551d9e0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:22:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:22:53 +0000 (UTC) >> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that I am >> not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? > > I have one of these on order: > > http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html They look really nice. > It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I > don't like it. > What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker? > > 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ. If we have an acoustic guitar with a decent preamp/EQ built in (like a Fishman, etc), why do we need yet another layer of EQ in an amp? this is what has me baffled. How much redundant EQ do we need superimposed on an acoustic guitar?...seems like a lot of added circuitry to create divergence between the natural sound of the guitar and what comes out of the amp. The two channel thing is a differientiator, unless you are running your guitar through a small mixer board before ou powered PA cab, whichh case that approach offers a lot more flexibility. > 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range > (in exchange for loss of efficiency). Something that any high quality powered PA cab can do, give their specs. > 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete. This is the on hard to compete with. But then again, if we are comparing a powered 10" PA cab with the above amp, weight is not that much different. Interesting thread here. Makes me want an article on the myths and misconceptions of amplifying an acoustic instrument, comparing full range PA cabs with boutique amp, relative to user needs (preserving natural tone vs. colorizing the tone). Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 16:33:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FA653BF0F; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04e401c6bd63$d51da6a0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000d01c6bd60$4551d9e0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> <04cc01c6bd62$63df6fb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:33:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Damn, why don't thing guys make an effect preset with both reverb and delay!! Arggggg....everytime, I find an acoustic guitar amp with built in effects, the flexiblity in combination of effects sucks. This Coda R would be the nirvana of amps if it had Reverb presets, and then an independent effects section for chorus and delay single or combo presets. Are the Behringer amps the only ones in the market that provide this flexibility? Seems odd. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps >>> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that I >>> am >>> not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? >> >> I have one of these on order: >> >> http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html > > They look really nice. > >> It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I >> don't like it. > >> What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker? >> >> 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ. > > If we have an acoustic guitar with a decent preamp/EQ built in (like a > Fishman, etc), why do we need yet another layer of EQ in an amp? this is > what has me baffled. How much redundant EQ do we need superimposed on an > acoustic guitar?...seems like a lot of added circuitry to create > divergence between the natural sound of the guitar and what comes out of > the amp. > > The two channel thing is a differientiator, unless you are running your > guitar through a small mixer board before ou powered PA cab, whichh case > that approach offers a lot more flexibility. > >> 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range >> (in exchange for loss of efficiency). > > Something that any high quality powered PA cab can do, give their specs. > >> 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete. > > This is the on hard to compete with. But then again, if we are comparing a > powered 10" PA cab with the above amp, weight is not that much different. > > Interesting thread here. Makes me want an article on the myths and > misconceptions of amplifying an acoustic instrument, comparing full range > PA cabs with boutique amp, relative to user needs (preserving natural tone > vs. colorizing the tone). > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 18:03:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C753BF11; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10736370.1155319407782.JavaMail.root@web19> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:03:27 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale Cc: Charlie Milkey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Would you be interested in some alternate form of a deal? "Easy pay"? Trade & cash? Paul -- Paul Richards ---- Charlie Milkey wrote: > i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) > > Charlie > > On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey wrote: > > hello fellow loopers! > > > > well, its about that time to upgrade my looping device, and so to fund > > that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon Jamman. It has the 32 > > second upgrade and I don't think i need to put much information about > > it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more about it than i do :) > > > > i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or anything like that, > > so feel free to contact me and i will send you pics or any other > > information that you may need > > > > I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) > > i would like to keep this to the US or canada, mainly because i don't > > know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no offense :) > > > > > > Thanks for looking! :) > > > > Charlie > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 18:29:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 725603BF0F; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:28:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for July, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44DCCC3B.1080506@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:29:05 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/top20jul.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for July, 2006. Shows #484 to #487; 6-July-2006 to 27-July-2006 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Bruno Sanfilippo - InTRO - ad21 Conrad Schnitzler - Conviction - Ricochet Dream Create - Biospherical Imagery - Groove Hemisphere - Destination Infinity - Groove Jason Sloan - A Quiet Return - none Johan Timman - Trip Into the Body - Groove Klaus Schulze - The Crime of Suspense - Revisited Matt Borghi - The Phantom Light - SLO BOR Nattefrost - Absorbed in Dreams and Yearning - Groove Numina - Evolving Visions - none Numina - Eye of the Nautilus - Hypnos Numina - Trancension Vol. 3 - none Numina & IXOHOXI - Starfarer's Tales Vol. 1 - none Paul Ellis - The Infinity Room - Groove Remy - Sense - AKH Robert Scott Thompson - At the Still Point of the Turning World - Hypnos Ron Boots - Acoustic Shadows - Groove Surface 10 - Surface Tensions - DiN Various Artists - Awakenings 2006 Volume 2.5 - Ambient Live Various Artists - electro-music 2006 - electro-music media Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on WXLV 90.3 FM in Schnecksville. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 19:26:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E1633BEFE; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,115,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="729712812:sNHT37539308" Message-ID: <5367029.1155324412287.JavaMail.root@fepweb04> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:26:52 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Cc: Krispen Hartung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Kris, I have not used (or heard used) either of these amps. I do have a 65W close= d-back Behringer combo amp though that has great tone for acoustic guitar -= - though it falls a little short when it comes to electric (lacking somethi= ng in the "warmth" dept). The configuration of that larger "accoustic" amp = looks a lot like my Behringer and I'd bet there would be a lot of similarit= y in the sound. The on-board FX are semi-decent too. I very much prefer a d= igital reverb to a spring reverb (of any sort) any day. And yes, you can ge= t delay and reverb at the same time (though I never use it that way). :-) tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > no comment on these items? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Krispen Hartung=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps >=20 >=20 > I know some folks knock Behringer for being cheap and low end stuff, bu= t check this out....these are the ONLY acoustic amps I've found in two days= that allow both delay and reverb at the same time. In fact their effect co= mbinations are outstanding: >=20 > http://www.behringer.com/ACX1000/index.cfm?lang=3DENG - $439.99 USD*=20 >=20 > http://www.behringer.com/ACX450/index.cfm?lang=3DENG (has two independe= nt effect processors) - $269.99 USD*=20 >=20 > Anyone using these? The prices are excellent, and not a HUGE investment= . >=20 > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 19:27:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F003BF10; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=snYJA06ThKK25y6nqS+690O2X815EXZUN5WxLMZbrRpU/QcUU9KU8OEkqB+9uuzy09RdfbghMXYtDdWWKeUPT7QmbUnSeAVhnvdobvI00sK09ZYDL7CbbXVqZYwVIsp6i/pAo4jJwlbKKhc6JBViyUvtRKqZ4xPisMgV92ncF0w= ; Message-ID: <20060811192752.47515.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5ELgJD.A.vUH.6oN3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:27:54 +0000 (UTC) No offense to you chaps but I've found in the past that posting items for sale here is usually futile. Put it on ebay and let the public decide what it's worse and post your link here. Also, take into account that your item, for as good as shape as it may be in, is at least 14 years old. Why would I pay $350 for a mono JamMan when I can get a stereo looper (2880 or RC-50) for a bit more. True, they're not the same thing and the JamMan does stuff they don't do (WHY?) but that's the mentality you'll find in the marketplace. I paid $399 brand new for my JamMan. --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > Good luck. I priced mine for sale at $350, full 32 > seconds, latest > Bob Sellon O/S for 4 tracks of looping, original OS > and manuals.... > no bites. Probably the best 'sounding' looper in my > collection... > > > >i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) > > > >Charlie > > > >On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey > wrote: > >>hello fellow loopers! > >> > >>well, its about that time to upgrade my looping > device, and so to fund > >>that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon > Jamman. It has the 32 > >>second upgrade and I don't think i need to put > much information about > >>it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more > about it than i do :) > >> > >>i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or > anything like that, > >>so feel free to contact me and i will send you > pics or any other > >>information that you may need > >> > >>I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) > >>i would like to keep this to the US or canada, > mainly because i don't > >>know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no > offense :) > >> > >> > >>Thanks for looking! :) > >> > >>Charlie > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 19:37:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE31A3BF10; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000d01c6bd60$4551d9e0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> References: <000d01c6bd60$4551d9e0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-924161023 Message-Id: <784a6bff830eb1b9c7d1fa5e4384df88@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT: New AER Amp for sale Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:37:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4nNX-.A.ErH.pxN3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:37:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-924161023 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Say! My friend Rufus (Rufus Guitars) is selling a new AER Compact 60 amp for S1,444 Canadian. Haven't heard it, don't know beans about it... but I'm betting it sounds good based on how good their bass amps sound. Lists for $1600 CDN. He's going out of business and selling his stock. In Victoria, B.C. Canada See it here: http://www.rufusguitars.com/forsale.htm Tell him Richard Sales sent you. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that >> I am >> not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? > > I have one of these on order: > > http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html > > It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I > don't > like it. > > What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker? > > 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ. > 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range > (in exchange for loss of efficiency). > 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete. > > The reviews I've been able to find on the web are glowing. We shall > see. > > > --Apple-Mail-5-924161023 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Say! My friend Rufus (Rufus Guitars) is selling a new AER Compact 60 amp for S1,444 Canadian. Haven't heard it, don't know beans about it... but I'm betting it sounds good based on how good their bass amps sound. Lists for $1600 CDN. He's going out of business and selling his stock. In Victoria, B.C. Canada See it here: http://www.rufusguitars.com/forsale.htm Tell him Richard Sales sent you. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Koenig wrote: What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that I am not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? I have one of these on order: http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I don't like it. What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker? 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ. 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range (in exchange for loss of efficiency). 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete. The reviews I've been able to find on the web are glowing. We shall see. --Apple-Mail-5-924161023-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 21:19:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C3B93BEF3; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7444146.1155331151131.JavaMail.root@web16> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:11 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale Cc: mark sottilaro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:19:11 +0000 (UTC) How true. I'm hoping the new loopers coming out will drive down the price of the older units. No offense. But, the prices seem high to me for a lot of the used gear. - Paul Richards ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > No offense to you chaps but I've found in the past > that posting items for sale here is usually futile. > Put it on ebay and let the public decide what it's > worse and post your link here. > > Also, take into account that your item, for as good as > shape as it may be in, is at least 14 years old. Why > would I pay $350 for a mono JamMan when I can get a > stereo looper (2880 or RC-50) for a bit more. True, > they're not the same thing and the JamMan does stuff > they don't do (WHY?) but that's the mentality you'll > find in the marketplace. > > I paid $399 brand new for my JamMan. > > > > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > > > > > Good luck. I priced mine for sale at $350, full 32 > > seconds, latest > > Bob Sellon O/S for 4 tracks of looping, original OS > > and manuals.... > > no bites. Probably the best 'sounding' looper in my > > collection... > > > > > > >i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) > > > > > >Charlie > > > > > >On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey > > wrote: > > >>hello fellow loopers! > > >> > > >>well, its about that time to upgrade my looping > > device, and so to fund > > >>that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon > > Jamman. It has the 32 > > >>second upgrade and I don't think i need to put > > much information about > > >>it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more > > about it than i do :) > > >> > > >>i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or > > anything like that, > > >>so feel free to contact me and i will send you > > pics or any other > > >>information that you may need > > >> > > >>I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) > > >>i would like to keep this to the US or canada, > > mainly because i don't > > >>know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no > > offense :) > > >> > > >> > > >>Thanks for looking! :) > > >> > > >>Charlie > > > > > > -- > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 22:02:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35D693BED9; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,115,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="546310039:sNHT23045714" Message-ID: <1348244815.1155333717773.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:01:57 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ZOE KEATING SIGHTING (WELL ALMOST) Cc: Richard Sales MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:02:00 +0000 (UTC) HI all, I just got a calendar posting e-mail from a local venue in Ashland Oregon= =20 (only 10 miles away). Our own Zoe Keating will be sharing the stage with the California Guitar Trio in Novenber!!! I am rather stoked. Hey Zoe, I'll see you there!! -- tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 22:09:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BBAD3BEEE; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone see Adrian Belew on this tour? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <53viQB.A.r_C.MAQ3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Title sez it. I'm going to the Phila Pa show on monday. On his site it shows he's got a trio and will be doing solo and various band material. I'm curious what he's up to and who the other musicians are. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 23:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A96C3BEE6; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rz8hqkva5fAAZI5adqqRDI/G+sOInQxVy6zMLOTS7FpeahcjvPO0zBnrdhPMDPfNDrmj4F0/rr/WfGGk+1hXz51MI+Imx3MZIGt7RHiAwJhPmJWHhjPeqvZEeYm+u0G/Jv9Y8b8s51S2qyJ5CJj7RKC6J/aCK2g2RxjyWxyJBaY= ; Message-ID: <20060811230246.82021.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Murchison Subject: Re: ZOE KEATING SIGHTING (WELL ALMOST) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1348244815.1155333717773.JavaMail.root@fepweb12> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <16-9_D.A.qDE.XyQ3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:02:47 +0000 (UTC) There are loopers in Ashland?!? Where the hell have I been? I'm over in Klamath Falls, and I had no idea there was any sort of music "scene" nearby. I've been driving up to Portland for all my musical entertainment. I'm going to have to check that show out in a couple months. Scott --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > HI all, > > I just got a calendar posting e-mail from a local > venue in Ashland Oregon > (only 10 miles away). Our own Zoe Keating will be > sharing the stage > with the California Guitar Trio in Novenber!!! I am > rather stoked. > > Hey Zoe, I'll see you there!! > > -- > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 11 23:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70E933BEDF; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PD0b7eTqdS2gkghDB+xwmOoqQckTOjk2pUQS1Tq9CiEGSS7LvTbfuxNFrKZl9nb4; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21395397.1155340582705.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: EDP Ignorance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9401a46ca966a431ac9eafe5c361a78341f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.44 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:56:23 +0000 (UTC) Loopists! I am an occasional poster who has recently been blessed with an EDP Plus. In fiddling with it, I've managed to put it into a mode where it'll play the loop perhaps four times while slowly fading out to silence. What function have I managed to activate and how do I get it back to "normal" function? I have read alot of the manual but can't seem to understand alot of the terminology that would help me to solve this. I am sure that it is something simple and I am too dense to suss it out. Greetings and Gratitude, Todd Howell From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 01:31:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED9313BEE1; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H7Xb/f2kTdQOwcNaSQnnqGIWnDi3nhfq/lVyxC9gJoyUiV3iXvCFVRBR0zJf8QPSNQYpZ8JesftVDBimRNiIorl85+TMsQR7BnFC8fymqaP3HfXRxzG5XmDPpclQIfJ6QDGFF+3CcSOckv+eagqKZK+raFxG4J8mcNF5jSd/zPU= Message-ID: <913728d60608111831q443193d0o4aa1d149832e4e96@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:31:22 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale In-Reply-To: <7444146.1155331151131.JavaMail.root@web16> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7444146.1155331151131.JavaMail.root@web16> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:31:24 +0000 (UTC) well, i'm sorry that i've seemed to insult some of the loopers here, but i am just a college student trying to afford being a looper, which is hard, especially when there is no need for any kind of looping needed in northern wisconsin...everyone wants to hear freebird up here, and there isn't much looping involved in a lynrd skynrd cover band. i want to be a looper :) so please, make an offer. money, trades, meade, whatever you've got :) i just want a riff box :) i am not going to be insulted if its a lowball offer, just please, offer what you think it's worth and be fair :) invest in a looping future :) Charlie On 8/11/06, Paul Richards wrote: > How true. I'm hoping the new loopers coming out will drive down the price of the older units. No offense. But, the prices seem high to me for a lot of the used gear. > > - > Paul Richards > > ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > > No offense to you chaps but I've found in the past > > that posting items for sale here is usually futile. > > Put it on ebay and let the public decide what it's > > worse and post your link here. > > > > Also, take into account that your item, for as good as > > shape as it may be in, is at least 14 years old. Why > > would I pay $350 for a mono JamMan when I can get a > > stereo looper (2880 or RC-50) for a bit more. True, > > they're not the same thing and the JamMan does stuff > > they don't do (WHY?) but that's the mentality you'll > > find in the marketplace. > > > > I paid $399 brand new for my JamMan. > > > > > > > > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck. I priced mine for sale at $350, full 32 > > > seconds, latest > > > Bob Sellon O/S for 4 tracks of looping, original OS > > > and manuals.... > > > no bites. Probably the best 'sounding' looper in my > > > collection... > > > > > > > > > >i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) > > > > > > > >Charlie > > > > > > > >On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey > > > wrote: > > > >>hello fellow loopers! > > > >> > > > >>well, its about that time to upgrade my looping > > > device, and so to fund > > > >>that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon > > > Jamman. It has the 32 > > > >>second upgrade and I don't think i need to put > > > much information about > > > >>it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more > > > about it than i do :) > > > >> > > > >>i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or > > > anything like that, > > > >>so feel free to contact me and i will send you > > > pics or any other > > > >>information that you may need > > > >> > > > >>I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) > > > >>i would like to keep this to the US or canada, > > > mainly because i don't > > > >>know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no > > > offense :) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Thanks for looking! :) > > > >> > > > >>Charlie > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ... > > > http://www.zmix.net > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 04:12:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E7B3BEDF; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <060b01c6bdc5$8cfe7090$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000d01c6bd60$4551d9e0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> <04cc01c6bd62$63df6fb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:12:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Here is a somewhat acoustic guitar amp from Germany. The Acoustic Jazz Quartet came to play at Boise several years ago and their guitarist Jamie Findley was playing one of these with a nylon string. The tone was unbelievable. I emailed him today and got a response, asking him what amp he was using. It was the Framus Acoustifier. He said there were only a few in the world. I found this page, in German: http://www1.gitarrebass.de/magazine/9901/framus.htm And I even found one for sale somewhere else for 399 Euro, roughly $642 USD. http://www.berlin-guitars.com/cms.php?id=akustik_verstaerker Is anyone near Berlin? I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this amp, if you were close and could try it out. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 04:16:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498513BEDC; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <913728d60608111831q443193d0o4aa1d149832e4e96@mail.gmail.com> References: <7444146.1155331151131.JavaMail.root@web16> <913728d60608111831q443193d0o4aa1d149832e4e96@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-955310035 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:16:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-955310035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed There's nothing wrong with asking that much for your JamMan. I have a guitar that's worth one hundred times what I paid for it. All are worth quite a bit more than I paid for them. My house doubled in three years. It's worth whatever someone will pay for it. I think Ebay isn't a bad idea. Craigs List might be good too. Don't panic. Is Madison near you? Milwaukee? I remember those places as fairly swimming with creative stuff. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Aug-06, at 6:31 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > well, i'm sorry that i've seemed to insult some of the loopers here, > but i am just a college student trying to afford being a looper, which > is hard, especially when there is no need for any kind of looping > needed in northern wisconsin...everyone wants to hear freebird up > here, and there isn't much looping involved in a lynrd skynrd cover > band. > i want to be a looper :) > > so please, make an offer. money, trades, meade, whatever you've got :) > i just want a riff box :) i am not going to be insulted if its a > lowball offer, just please, offer what you think it's worth and be > fair :) invest in a looping future :) > > Charlie > > On 8/11/06, Paul Richards wrote: >> How true. I'm hoping the new loopers coming out will drive down the >> price of the older units. No offense. But, the prices seem high to me >> for a lot of the used gear. >> >> - >> Paul Richards >> >> ---- mark sottilaro wrote: >> > No offense to you chaps but I've found in the past >> > that posting items for sale here is usually futile. >> > Put it on ebay and let the public decide what it's >> > worse and post your link here. >> > >> > Also, take into account that your item, for as good as >> > shape as it may be in, is at least 14 years old. Why >> > would I pay $350 for a mono JamMan when I can get a >> > stereo looper (2880 or RC-50) for a bit more. True, >> > they're not the same thing and the JamMan does stuff >> > they don't do (WHY?) but that's the mentality you'll >> > find in the marketplace. >> > >> > I paid $399 brand new for my JamMan. >> > >> > >> > >> > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Good luck. I priced mine for sale at $350, full 32 >> > > seconds, latest >> > > Bob Sellon O/S for 4 tracks of looping, original OS >> > > and manuals.... >> > > no bites. Probably the best 'sounding' looper in my >> > > collection... >> > > >> > > >> > > >i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) >> > > > >> > > >Charlie >> > > > >> > > >On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey >> > > wrote: >> > > >>hello fellow loopers! >> > > >> >> > > >>well, its about that time to upgrade my looping >> > > device, and so to fund >> > > >>that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon >> > > Jamman. It has the 32 >> > > >>second upgrade and I don't think i need to put >> > > much information about >> > > >>it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more >> > > about it than i do :) >> > > >> >> > > >>i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or >> > > anything like that, >> > > >>so feel free to contact me and i will send you >> > > pics or any other >> > > >>information that you may need >> > > >> >> > > >>I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) >> > > >>i would like to keep this to the US or canada, >> > > mainly because i don't >> > > >>know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no >> > > offense :) >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>Thanks for looking! :) >> > > >> >> > > >>Charlie >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > ... >> > > http://www.zmix.net >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> > http://mail.yahoo.com >> > >> >> > --Apple-Mail-2-955310035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII There's nothing wrong with asking that much for your JamMan. I have a guitar that's worth one hundred times what I paid for it. All are worth quite a bit more than I paid for them. My house doubled in three years. It's worth whatever someone will pay for it. I think Ebay isn't a bad idea. Craigs List might be good too. Don't panic. Is Madison near you? Milwaukee? I remember those places as fairly swimming with creative stuff. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Aug-06, at 6:31 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: well, i'm sorry that i've seemed to insult some of the loopers here, but i am just a college student trying to afford being a looper, which is hard, especially when there is no need for any kind of looping needed in northern wisconsin...everyone wants to hear freebird up here, and there isn't much looping involved in a lynrd skynrd cover band. i want to be a looper :) so please, make an offer. money, trades, meade, whatever you've got :) i just want a riff box :) i am not going to be insulted if its a lowball offer, just please, offer what you think it's worth and be fair :) invest in a looping future :) Charlie On 8/11/06, Paul Richards < wrote: How true. I'm hoping the new loopers coming out will drive down the price of the older units. No offense. But, the prices seem high to me for a lot of the used gear. - Paul Richards ---- mark sottilaro < wrote: > No offense to you chaps but I've found in the past > that posting items for sale here is usually futile. > Put it on ebay and let the public decide what it's > worse and post your link here. > > Also, take into account that your item, for as good as > shape as it may be in, is at least 14 years old. Why > would I pay $350 for a mono JamMan when I can get a > stereo looper (2880 or RC-50) for a bit more. True, > they're not the same thing and the JamMan does stuff > they don't do (WHY?) but that's the mentality you'll > find in the marketplace. > > I paid $399 brand new for my JamMan. > > > > --- Charles Zwicky < wrote: > > > > > > > Good luck. I priced mine for sale at $350, full 32 > > seconds, latest > > Bob Sellon O/S for 4 tracks of looping, original OS > > and manuals.... > > no bites. Probably the best 'sounding' looper in my > > collection... > > > > > > >i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) > > > > > >Charlie > > > > > >On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey < > > wrote: > > >>hello fellow loopers! > > >> > > >>well, its about that time to upgrade my looping > > device, and so to fund > > >>that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon > > Jamman. It has the 32 > > >>second upgrade and I don't think i need to put > > much information about > > >>it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more > > about it than i do :) > > >> > > >>i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or > > anything like that, > > >>so feel free to contact me and i will send you > > pics or any other > > >>information that you may need > > >> > > >>I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) > > >>i would like to keep this to the US or canada, > > mainly because i don't > > >>know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no > > offense :) > > >> > > >> > > >>Thanks for looking! :) > > >> > > >>Charlie > > > > > > -- > > ... > > http://www.zmix.net > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-2-955310035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 04:24:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0695D3BEE1; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FDEueB7E4UucwFlo3FuJ4plNbB35SnJB6aQUcligcGv848HBoq4m5oPBUaESysIMPtxQaFXKBNn8Vub4BoQ5IvLJ7jg0Orx5Y9oxXHcXWWcumLLVNyxDiLKesWB4EtYzdX5QMxKiRtR7EtxnM8IrW1+hyltV9QGBwymN0bCnGB4= Message-ID: <913728d60608112124m29c3cd8fp39a62f857e36404b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:24:24 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: lexicon with 32 second upgrade for sale In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7444146.1155331151131.JavaMail.root@web16> <913728d60608111831q443193d0o4aa1d149832e4e96@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6qzvGC.A.8KH._fV3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:24:31 +0000 (UTC) yeah, i am in SE wisconsin, and madison and milwaukee is, but not close enough to get gigs... :) Charlie On 8/11/06, Richard Sales wrote: > There's nothing wrong with asking that much for your JamMan. I have a > guitar that's worth one hundred times what I paid for it. All are > worth quite a bit more than I paid for them. My house doubled in three > years. > > It's worth whatever someone will pay for it. I think Ebay isn't a bad > idea. Craigs List might be good too. Don't panic. > > Is Madison near you? Milwaukee? I remember those places as fairly > swimming with creative stuff. > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 11-Aug-06, at 6:31 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > > > well, i'm sorry that i've seemed to insult some of the loopers here, > > but i am just a college student trying to afford being a looper, which > > is hard, especially when there is no need for any kind of looping > > needed in northern wisconsin...everyone wants to hear freebird up > > here, and there isn't much looping involved in a lynrd skynrd cover > > band. > > i want to be a looper :) > > > > so please, make an offer. money, trades, meade, whatever you've got :) > > i just want a riff box :) i am not going to be insulted if its a > > lowball offer, just please, offer what you think it's worth and be > > fair :) invest in a looping future :) > > > > Charlie > > > > On 8/11/06, Paul Richards wrote: > >> How true. I'm hoping the new loopers coming out will drive down the > >> price of the older units. No offense. But, the prices seem high to me > >> for a lot of the used gear. > >> > >> - > >> Paul Richards > >> > >> ---- mark sottilaro wrote: > >> > No offense to you chaps but I've found in the past > >> > that posting items for sale here is usually futile. > >> > Put it on ebay and let the public decide what it's > >> > worse and post your link here. > >> > > >> > Also, take into account that your item, for as good as > >> > shape as it may be in, is at least 14 years old. Why > >> > would I pay $350 for a mono JamMan when I can get a > >> > stereo looper (2880 or RC-50) for a bit more. True, > >> > they're not the same thing and the JamMan does stuff > >> > they don't do (WHY?) but that's the mentality you'll > >> > find in the marketplace. > >> > > >> > I paid $399 brand new for my JamMan. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- Charles Zwicky wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Good luck. I priced mine for sale at $350, full 32 > >> > > seconds, latest > >> > > Bob Sellon O/S for 4 tracks of looping, original OS > >> > > and manuals.... > >> > > no bites. Probably the best 'sounding' looper in my > >> > > collection... > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >i am dropping the price to 350 shipped :) > >> > > > > >> > > >Charlie > >> > > > > >> > > >On 7/31/06, Charlie Milkey > >> > > wrote: > >> > > >>hello fellow loopers! > >> > > >> > >> > > >>well, its about that time to upgrade my looping > >> > > device, and so to fund > >> > > >>that project, i am going to sell my Lexicon > >> > > Jamman. It has the 32 > >> > > >>second upgrade and I don't think i need to put > >> > > much information about > >> > > >>it on LD, because i am sure you folks know more > >> > > about it than i do :) > >> > > >> > >> > > >>i don't want to waste any bandwidth with pics or > >> > > anything like that, > >> > > >>so feel free to contact me and i will send you > >> > > pics or any other > >> > > >>information that you may need > >> > > >> > >> > > >>I would like to get 390 US dollars for it :) > >> > > >>i would like to keep this to the US or canada, > >> > > mainly because i don't > >> > > >>know what it takes to ship it overseas, so no > >> > > offense :) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >>Thanks for looking! :) > >> > > >> > >> > > >>Charlie > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > ... > >> > > http://www.zmix.net > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> > http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 05:21:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D0E3BEDB; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006501c6bdcf$33103d20$0401010a@ritchie> From: "Ritchie" To: References: Subject: Re: Anyone see Adrian Belew on this tour? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:51:37 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: <1PhZTD.A.nMB.tVW3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Well I saw Belew when he toured Australia. In the trio, he hired an aussie drummer and a bass player from Austria or somewhere who happened to have been in Australia at the time. I spoke to Adrian and he said they had 3 jams before they started the tour! So a good chance he'll have a different band again utilizing some local players perhaps?? It's a great show. Some Belew material and some Crimson also. A very laidback affair. He does one solo section which had some cool loops happening. Great player, friendly guy and highly recommended!! But I am a King Crimson junkie so....... :-) Ritchie http://murdergrin.blogspot.com > Title sez it. I'm going to the Phila Pa show on monday. On his site it > shows he's got a trio and will be doing solo and various band material. > I'm curious what he's up to and who the other musicians are. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 08:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF01F3BECD; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=B1iHOSf+3wTXMi7Q9BGfaFH1/Ns8Jgq7JZqIPwz6HWT6okaVuU4vK6UNv16x+Teqr8wWmKjNPuLMcKdkL+BwelcvcK824Gmbw4ZBAZ3m1imKyJNgatoyFJ2nNDvT9109cNR8qH2ePDQ1cpKJxkeHJjUOLgWpud+vaI7l2OCJc1o= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:05:27 -0700 From: "Grayson Pitcher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_86208_1818952.1155369927367" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:05:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_86208_1818952.1155369927367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subscribe ------=_Part_86208_1818952.1155369927367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subscribe ------=_Part_86208_1818952.1155369927367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 08:06:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10953BEC1; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Tj6FxdnELVmn2k6QPbMJvFV2bzffV0wNCYUc/qpcOxfvi+AQnedsl22XWXRBA9b8QuD09kLqVnN3nmBk574eF0wM7KFGBbaKMOYbIg4KW8njTsBDDY/pvDnJs5KKG+IjkDpoFSRa5ZeGMvNHl7mda4tRjYGiFu/+GQUsNqCjdt4= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:06:12 -0700 From: "Grayson Pitcher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Subscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_86220_9147890.1155369972242" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:06:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_86220_9147890.1155369972242 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subscribe ------=_Part_86220_9147890.1155369972242 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
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------=_Part_86220_9147890.1155369972242-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 08:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45EBC3BECF; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:10:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:09:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show starts in less than two hours from when this was sent. To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44DD8CA2.8000707@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:10:05 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, August 12 at 6:00 am EDT / GMT-4. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 08:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AC933BEDE; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XOL/TDiE6NYMtZQLcA+CNV9Vqy2Z1ic88Q9FLyNdpbDFszgo6aov9XB7sZ7mROl59PDPieD9sf48/ZJ1fxptivHuHF17MhpQbPJgxAPiI5MptR10k/LSsJJTSqpdMAGxeZtr8DZ7xlOqbAp8e1YCL2AkYyP1420AlHVWxBiU1hk= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:14:24 -0700 From: "Grayson Pitcher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Need a Manecolooper! WTB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_86264_21124146.1155370464747" Resent-Message-ID: <43WiEB.A.T4G.h3Y3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:14:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_86264_21124146.1155370464747 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Will pay cash for a Manecolooper. I have had troubles going through Maneco and Tom and don't want to wait anymore. Any of the Manecoloopers would be awesome. Email is glarestreak@gmail.com ------=_Part_86264_21124146.1155370464747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Will pay cash for a Manecolooper.  I have had troubles going through Maneco and Tom and don't want to wait anymore.  Any of the Manecoloopers would be awesome.  Email is glarestreak@gmail.com ------=_Part_86264_21124146.1155370464747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 08:50:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EF003BECF; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44DD9663.9050502@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:50:43 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Imogen Heap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5bHG4.A.SnH.sZZ3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:50:53 +0000 (UTC) I love Imogen Heap's voice, and just stumbled on this clip with her fully rocking a Repeater. (It's on Rhapsody, so you may need the RealPlayer to watch it). The other videos there are very cool too; between the Electrix box, a piano, a bass mbira and her amazing voice, she does quite the solo show. http://www.rhapsody.com/imogenheap/videos/justfornowlive all this and great hair too! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 08:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04BB43BEE8; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,116,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="548250039:sNHT47213956" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060811230246.82021.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060811230246.82021.qmail@web51012.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-971802331 Message-Id: <99018122f0a8439355599c13a70122c3@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: ZOE KEATING SIGHTING (WELL ALMOST) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:51:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:51:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-971802331 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Scott, Actually . . . I'm in Medford. There is no "scene" in Ashland or here =20= in Medville either. Though I do play hereabouts every once in a blue while. I drive to =20 Eugene. I drive to Boise. I drive to Portland. I drive to Santa Cruz, I drive all the way =20= down to Ventura, Santa Barbara, and San Luis Obispo to perform with and/or for for folks =20= who are much more receptive to what I do . . . which is (admittedly) a little =20 outside the norm. Medford is pretty culturally backward. I'm not from around here . . . but this =20= is where I am. There are a couple of venues in Ashland that have (within the past year =20= or so) started to deviate from the classic crock, pop and country mold in this very =20 conservative little corner of the "State of Jefferson." But, if you are going up to =20= Portland for you musical and/or looping exposure you are doing well. Even the locals call this =20= Deathford, or Dreadford (or sometimes Methford). Nearby Ashland (Hashland) is a =20 little more college-y . . . and they do try to be hip. But they usually only manage to be just a =20 little more hip than Medford (or in your case, Klamath Falls) which isn't very hard to do . =20= . . or very hip. If you want to talk, compare notes, or otherwise communicate off-list =20= you now know my e-mail address. I'm in the local phonebook too . . . for that matter. =20= Long time LDer Dave Trenkle is up there in Corvalis. David Coffin is over in Coos Bay (or =20= Bandon , or somewhere on the Oregon Coast). I think there have been a couple of LDers (on and =20= off) up in the Portland area . . . just so's you don't feel all alone out here in the =20= boondocks. There are a few of us around -- even if most of us are transplants from other =20 galaxies (as it were). Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Aug 11, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Scott Murchison wrote: > There are loopers in Ashland?!? Where the hell have I > been? I'm over in Klamath Falls, and I had no idea > there was any sort of music "scene" nearby. I've been > driving up to Portland for all my musical > entertainment.= --Apple-Mail-1-971802331 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Scott, Actually . . . I'm in Medford. There is no "scene" in Ashland or here in Medville either. Though I do play hereabouts every once in a blue while. I drive to Eugene. I drive to=20 Boise. I drive to Portland. I drive to Santa Cruz, I drive all the way down to Ventura, Santa Barbara, and San Luis Obispo to perform with and/or for for folks who are much more receptive to what I do . . . which is (admittedly) a little outside the norm. Medford=20 is pretty culturally backward. I'm not from around here . . . but this is where I am. There are a couple of venues in Ashland that have (within the past year or so) started to deviate from the classic crock, pop and country mold in this very conservative=20 little corner of the "State of Jefferson." But, if you are going up to Portland for you musical=20 and/or looping exposure you are doing well. Even the locals call this Deathford, or Dreadford (or sometimes Methford). Nearby Ashland (Hashland) is a little more college-y . . .=20 and they do try to be hip. But they usually only manage to be just a little more hip than=20 Medford (or in your case, Klamath Falls) which isn't very hard to do . . . or very hip. If you want to talk, compare notes, or otherwise communicate off-list you now know my=20 e-mail address. I'm in the local phonebook too . . . for that matter. Long time LDer Dave=20 Trenkle is up there in Corvalis. David Coffin is over in Coos Bay (or Bandon , or somewhere on the Oregon Coast). I think there have been a couple of LDers (on and off) up in the=20 Portland area . . . just so's you don't feel all alone out here in the boondocks. There are a=20 few of us around -- even if most of us are transplants from other galaxies (as it were). Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,0000,0000 807F,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always = different"9B9B,9B9B,9B9B http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Aug 11, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Scott Murchison wrote: There are loopers in Ashland?!? Where the hell have I been? I'm over in Klamath Falls, and I had no idea there was any sort of music "scene" nearby. I've been driving up to Portland for all my musical entertainment.= --Apple-Mail-1-971802331-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 09:20:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 073D13BEB5; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZLxTsrUulEW5VArFdQTmiVOYAELloBt48e4iCYChUYQ3HSzAa3QlfZN8wI8x09ikRpRZKzCCbI7rFkfp5eZJeUPyxPTRHyicL6D7vYCUUZYiS074zCEjfNKyjdw0Dv79M5pGckWxXzEudhgIywbmuC6SKXwVuqo6KUP6qlehYHg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44DD9663.9050502@mhorse.com> References: <44DD9663.9050502@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1DCB43A6-8186-4634-B02C-43F45A6ED818@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Imogen Heap Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:20:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:20:26 +0000 (UTC) On 12 aug 2006, at 10.50, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I love Imogen Heap's voice, and just stumbled on this clip with her > fully rocking a Repeater. (It's on Rhapsody, so you may need the > RealPlayer to watch it). The other videos there are very cool too; > between the Electrix box, a piano, a bass mbira and her amazing > voice, she does quite the solo show. > > http://www.rhapsody.com/imogenheap/videos/justfornowlive Thanks, that was great! All of it. I bought her latest record the other month and must say that I really like the way she arranges too. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 09:20:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C39F3BEEE; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,116,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="541997655:sNHT23409516" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <060b01c6bdc5$8cfe7090$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000d01c6bd60$4551d9e0$6402a8c0@arkdesktop> <04cc01c6bd62$63df6fb0$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <060b01c6bdc5$8cfe7090$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5b96d07f0fb8b7cecbf1e4f95342fde8@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:20:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <3opaJ.A.kY.p1Z3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:20:42 +0000 (UTC) KH, Framus, is a pretty good company (a division of Warwick GMbH & Co . . . of Warwick Bass and Bass Amp fame). I used to do all of their North American magazine advertising. I stopped about a year ago. If the amp is of similar quality to their guitars and other "regular" electric guitar combos and stacks they ought to be first-rate. You might try to contact someone I know at the company that does their North American distribution. The company is called Dana B Goods and the person to call is Craig Costigan (he's the Rep that handles Framus). He could tell you if they import that particular model or not . . . or if they ever plan to (in case they don't currently). Craig Costigan @ Dana B Goods: 1-800-741-0109 Ext 1705 Best regards, Ted Killian On Aug 11, 2006, at 9:12 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here is a somewhat acoustic guitar amp from Germany. The Acoustic Jazz > Quartet came to play at Boise several years ago and their guitarist > Jamie Findley was playing one of these with a nylon string. The tone > was unbelievable. I emailed him today and got a response, asking him > what amp he was using. It was the Framus Acoustifier. He said there > were only a few in the world. > > I found this page, in German: > http://www1.gitarrebass.de/magazine/9901/framus.htm > > And I even found one for sale somewhere else for 399 Euro, roughly > $642 USD. > http://www.berlin-guitars.com/cms.php?id=akustik_verstaerker > > Is anyone near Berlin? I would be interested in hearing your thoughts > on this amp, if you were close and could try it out. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 09:24:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE51F3BEE8; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BhYlu5RGzz81rQNZMN/TQYnVBAYCFtnfaKJtZeiQaFCtoCACS8C2FuiU0XvdKa6rhUWfr+3MHTswTekhHCoUuNoiA2J/Ed8A2TxPTx0ogafOk8zpR2XPjt19T5063GmjuUSHJPjZrKMeT6YViT4QdKjiaT782mGKA21xltrSWu4= ; Message-ID: <20060812092408.99245.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:24:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <060b01c6bdc5$8cfe7090$efb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Kris forget framus (just my opinion) The AERs are awesome but way too expensive for what they do and not so flexible efx wise. Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here is a somewhat acoustic guitar amp from Germany. > The Acoustic Jazz > Quartet came to play at Boise several years ago and > their guitarist Jamie > Findley was playing one of these with a nylon > string. The tone was > unbelievable. I emailed him today and got a > response, asking him what amp he > was using. It was the Framus Acoustifier. He said > there were only a few in > the world. > > I found this page, in German: > http://www1.gitarrebass.de/magazine/9901/framus.htm > > And I even found one for sale somewhere else for 399 > Euro, roughly $642 USD. > http://www.berlin-guitars.com/cms.php?id=akustik_verstaerker > > Is anyone near Berlin? I would be interested in > hearing your thoughts on > this amp, if you were close and could try it out. > > Kris > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 10:02:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC77E3BED3; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cf01c6bdf6$68737780$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: EDP ignorance Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:02:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Todd Howell wrote: "I am an occasional poster who has recently been blessed with an EDP Plus. In fiddling with it, I've managed to put it into a mode where it'll play the loop perhaps four times while slowly fading out to silence. What function have I managed to activate and how do I get it back to "normal" function? I have read alot of the manual but can't seem to understand alot of the terminology that would help me to solve this. I am sure that it is something simple and I am too dense to suss it out." Three pieces of gratuitous advice about this problem and how to solve it: 1) Your feedback knob on the front panel is turned down. At 100% (full up) the loop will repeat forever without losing volume. set it to different lesser settings to achieve a layered approach in your looping (the loops will fade out after a set number of repititions) (listen to the CDs of Matthias Grob, the original inventor of this amazing instrument) 2) Work with your EDP until you have several things that you have questions about and then arrange to take a paid online tutorial from one of the true masters of the unit, Andre LaFosse. Andre has put thousands of hours into this instrument and is a good teacher of an instrument that, in my humble opinion, has a fairly confusing manual (in terms of having musical effects that it can create explained). by the same token, purchase one of Andre's CDs to hear just some of the enormous power this unit has. They are available through http://www.altruistmusic.com/ Also, check out his wonderful echoplex analysis pages (subtitled: inside the craft of real-time looping). this link is a little ways down on the right hand side of his homepage 3) Come to Santa Cruz, if it's possible, on October 21st and 22nd, to hear some of the world's top looping artists (tentatively 54 of them are coming as of now from 7 countries and all over the US) at the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival. You'll leave with dozens of stimulating ideas about how to get deeper into the world of live looping for yourself. Good luck with everything. It's a deep instrument and a wonderful one. yours, Rick Walker aka |()()p.p()()| www.looppool.info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 11:07:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 876693BEB6; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHRS3USBUYlAAwwHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060812113630.00f505a8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:07:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP ignorance In-Reply-To: <00cf01c6bdf6$68737780$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00cf01c6bdf6$68737780$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:07:36 +0000 (UTC) At 11:02 12/08/2006, you wrote: >Todd Howell wrote: >"I am an occasional poster who has recently been blessed with an EDP >Plus. In fiddling with it, I've managed to put it into a mode where >it'll play the loop perhaps four times while slowly fading out to >silence. What function have I managed to activate and how do I get >it back to "normal" function? >1) Your feedback knob on the front panel is turned down. >At 100% (full up) the loop will repeat forever without losing volume. good ol' Rick :-) >by the same token, purchase one of Andre's CDs to hear just some >of the enormous power this unit has. >They are available through http://www.altruistmusic.com/ If Andre spins your head too much (and you certainly should let him) then be sure and get Luis Angulo's Primeros Ciclos http://www.luis-angulo.com/new-projects.htm which has the edp features used very musically too, but easier to follow. Rick's right, the edp manual isn't full of "this is how you get that" tutorials. If it was it could go to several volumes. In order to cover all the functions the manual has to be a fair size, that doesn't leave a lot of room for step by step guidance. It doesn't hurt you to read right through the manual, even though some of it will be incomprehensible to start with it's easy to pick up the basic stuff.(miss out the in depth midi stuff though ;-) Usual recommended way to tackle the edp is to start with learning about Record, then Overdub, then Multiply and so on (from left to right in terms of the buttons) The edp is designed so you can flexibly with it, to do things that the designers didn't realize was possible. ..but still easy to use if you want to stick to the basic functions. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 12:59:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7124D3BED9; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1107.212.205.245.33.1155387589.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:59:49 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone. Here is a BBC article about musicians' problems because of the new cabin baggage ban on planes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4784225.stm?ls Costas Andreou http://www.costasandreou.com contact@costasandreou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 14:22:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBC3E3BED2; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone see Adrian Belew on this tour? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:19:32 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Yes!!!=20 I've saw that trio in Rome a few weeks ago and the show was great.=20 He presented with a brother and sister (as he said), the drummer is great = and the KC songs are great, even in the AB reinterpretation.=20 The strange but interesting thing is that he just played an el. guitar = with a pedal distortion, and not the vaste gear he usually uses. But he was = great, great, great, because he's as crazy as a genius.=20 Strongly raccomended.=20 Fabio From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 15:12:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0FA73BEB3; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c6be21$af6c8200$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060812092408.99245.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:12:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:12:13 +0000 (UTC) I have my eye on the AER Alpha too...it's just a cute and compact little thing (10" cube basically)....perfect match for my Roland Cube-30. k- ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > Kris forget framus (just my opinion) The AERs are > awesome but way too expensive for what they do and not > so flexible efx wise. > Luis > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Here is a somewhat acoustic guitar amp from Germany. >> The Acoustic Jazz >> Quartet came to play at Boise several years ago and >> their guitarist Jamie >> Findley was playing one of these with a nylon >> string. The tone was >> unbelievable. I emailed him today and got a >> response, asking him what amp he >> was using. It was the Framus Acoustifier. He said >> there were only a few in >> the world. >> >> I found this page, in German: >> http://www1.gitarrebass.de/magazine/9901/framus.htm >> >> And I even found one for sale somewhere else for 399 >> Euro, roughly $642 USD. >> > http://www.berlin-guitars.com/cms.php?id=akustik_verstaerker >> >> Is anyone near Berlin? I would be interested in >> hearing your thoughts on >> this amp, if you were close and could try it out. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 15:52:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61D8F3BEE4; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GPf8EGYi2+va0+a43VI7e5OgvX/ZLztrJcot3y6Tr+JExNQZ3bPiw9G2PxoasdLGt0h6RbfF7vFXwqo+ZG0W3UiJT+SqSx8ogbMedhLvbo/wUFAaQt6tyV4NTMVZDqM/FlKtsHhqnDOTjJeRUQwx4E4gYYC+fVR0dxZapRFgHRM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:52:34 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: Live Looping in Portland (Oregon) tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:52:37 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing at the 9 Muses Acoustic Tavern (2715 SE Belmont St) tonight (August 12th) sometime between 7 and 9PM. I'm splitting the evening with some singer-songwriter, and the details are unknown at this point. I'll be doing a set of instrumental acoustic guitar with Echoplex accompaniment. There may also be a second set, I'm not sure. Be seeing you, Travis Hartnett www.travishartnett.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 16:58:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8283BECF; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <003901c6be21$af6c8200$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060812092408.99245.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003901c6be21$af6c8200$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:57:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <-G2HQD.A.IpF.Xig3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Kris, Do you remember the guitarist playing in the restaurant during the post-BEMF breakfast? I believe he was playing through an AER amp. I forget his name . . . heck I even forget the name of the restaurant (which is pretty darn remarkable considering) . . . but if the guy is a local you might try seeking his advice and/or opinion. His tone was pretty good (I thought) and I remember taking note of his setup. In another lifetime I played Leo Kottke-style, finger-picked, bottle-neck slide guitar like he was playing (about 25 years ago . . . and much less expertly). BTW, Jamie Findley used to play/endorse Lakewood guitars. I also did their advertising and have met Jamie on several occassions . . . both then and when I worked for Seymour Duncan. He also (at some point) used/endorsed their acoustic pickups and amplification products. Duncan used to produce an amp called the TARA. Guitar Player magazine once described it in a product "shootout" literally as the acoustic amp that all others should be judged against. Ironically, within about a month or two Duncan stopped producing them. If you could find one of THOSE . . . particularly one of their nifty closed-back combos . . . ah . . . sighs whistfully. Best regards, Ted Killian On Aug 12, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I have my eye on the AER Alpha too...it's just a cute and compact > little thing (10" cube basically)....perfect match for my Roland > Cube-30. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 17:06:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E80073BED9; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008701c6be31$99051580$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: EDP knowledge was: EDP ignorance Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:06:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Andy astutely wrote: "Rick's right, the edp manual isn't full of "this is how you get that" tutorials.If it was it could go to several volumes. In order to cover all the functions the manual has to be a fair size, that doesn't leave a lot of room for step by step guidance. It doesn't hurt you to read right through the manual, even though some of it will be incomprehensible to start with it's easy to pick up the basic stuff.(miss out the in depth midi stuff though ;-) Usual recommended way to tackle the edp is to start with learning about Record, then Overdub, then Multiply and so on (from left to right in terms of the buttons)" I was thinking that it might be cool to have Gibson or Aurisis sponsor a webpage where users explained musical techniques, how to achieve them and why they are useful aesthetically to augment the EDP manual. There are still tons of funtions that I don't use in the EDP but when I first started learning it I just had it in the john and I'd read it everytime I went in there, so I concur with Andy's advice to read through the entire manual. Still, it was very confusing to me because it didn't have connection to musicality. It has always felt like a manual written for techies, and I just have never been much of a techie myself. In it's defense, Andy is correct...........it would have been several times as large but I still think a lot of beginning users don't get what this thing can do until they see someone use it really well. And I'd also add to Andy's recommendation for the beginning EDP owner to hear Luis Angulos superb CD, Andy's own solo CD, 'Live Looping' which is a wonderful and musical record that is a tour de force of echoplex techniques, available at http://www.andybutler.com/. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 18:46:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F8853BECF; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44DD9663.9050502@mhorse.com> References: <44DD9663.9050502@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3DFD4574-0ADB-46D5-934F-21FFC717254F@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Imogen Heap Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:45:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: cf7966c9-2a32-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcYFU/GlJ1 UkhJREJTHQ9sBxYB A1AcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox16 MTcPERd4ZW5gaGUW HkFZfgsaI1VNdxlD OVliViIOY3gGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYd QhcNEDNnPUAMX00g X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <0SUT3B.A.KvE.vHi3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:46:07 +0000 (UTC) ha! yes, she's amazing. when i sat in with her, we would sync our repeaters (all slaved to computer)... can't see or hear much, but there are a few videos on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLrFvtq57E On Aug 12, 2006, at 1:50 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I love Imogen Heap's voice, and just stumbled on this clip with her > fully rocking a Repeater. (It's on Rhapsody, so you may need the > RealPlayer to watch it). The other videos there are very cool too; > between the Electrix box, a piano, a bass mbira and her amazing > voice, she does quite the solo show. > > http://www.rhapsody.com/imogenheap/videos/justfornowlive > > all this and great hair too! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 19:01:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8E03BEDC; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:01:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=o273DwUX5ncFXfSZcIdAt0yzBM5x4hiRUBO7Xc0g/twCF6J6U2JqEs7ldoPVRLdUpcN44+XXAy2oEX691PHQXOd5gdcHogEgWF5sE7qtWb+UPsm9hOy3vmWxOEDdNM99IbVKZG593jdOR96zRxSe+4iVOl8VR20VkRHgY4u2ScI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:01:09 -0700 From: "Grayson Pitcher" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I need a Manecolooper! WTB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_89575_30046203.1155409269361" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:01:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_89575_30046203.1155409269361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I need a Manecolooper and I have become tired of waiting to go through Juan and Tom for one. If anyone has one they would be willing to sell email me at glarestreak@gmail.com ------=_Part_89575_30046203.1155409269361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I need a Manecolooper and I have become tired of waiting to go through Juan and Tom for one.  If anyone has one they would be willing to sell email me at glarestreak@gmail.com ------=_Part_89575_30046203.1155409269361-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 19:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CD833BECC; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1107.212.205.245.33.1155387589.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> References: <1107.212.205.245.33.1155387589.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:47:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 5b835b56-2a3b-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcYFU/GlJ1 UkhJREJQFA9sBhYA AFAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox16 MTQIY2t8ZW5pb2cX HkRYdAMadVFCfRoX b1ZiViIOM3gGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYX ThoDG30lFEIKTio+ ZxYvLBYcHVoKekAv KloqWFseKHcp X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:47:18 +0000 (UTC) horrible, horrible times. traveling for a musician was already a nightmare, and now it is worse. i worry more about flying with the cello than i do about the performance on the other end. as for the repeaters...i never put them in the hold. i always put them in my carry-on with my laptop. i think it is more likely that i can find a replacement cello than replacement repeaters!! (how weird is that! the cello is about 20 times more valuable) maybe one outcome of the ban on cabin baggage will be that hold baggage is treated better. in any other business such mistreatment of property would not be considered acceptable. but now if people have no choice but to check fragile and expensive items? the airlines themselves recommend that you carry on anything valuable. i used to buy an extra seat for the cello, but after Sept 11, sometimes i would be denied boarding by ignorant staff. i started putting it in the hold inside a flight case and insisted on gate- checking it. without fail, i would be yelled at by TSA during screening. "you can't bring that through here". at one airport they unpacked the cello and left it naked on a metal table (not letting me anywhere near it) while crowds of people jostled past in the security line. they wanted to run it this way through the xray machine. my tearful entreaties had an effect and they ended up with one person holding it upside down while 2 others searched inside with flashlights. the endpin and bows were removed and i was told to check them into my baggage. i replied they are too long to fit in my suitcase, and a TSA person said "well you should of thought of that before". that the cello was going in the hold and not the cabin made not the slightest difference. if it wasn't so stressful it would be comical. gate checking in that instance caused me to miss my flight, so now i check it at the ticket desk. the flight case is very good, but being so enormous, it must be hand inspected by the TSA (leaving their little calling card inside). i always ask nicely if i can be present, mostly to verifying that they repack if properly. if not repacked exactly right, the cello might not survive the baggage handling. on a recent flight the TSA closed the case, but never strapped in the cello inside. amazingly, other than the soundpost falling out and the bridge knocked out of place, it was fine. and if i have a connection to make when coming from overseas (say london to philly to seattle). because of the hand inspection, the cello never makes it to the connecting flight. when possible, i always try to get to my destination a day earlier, so that i have time to wait for the poor cello to arrive, or get any repairs done. sometimes the stress is too much, and i think "i can't handle this any more!!", but what is the alternative??? i try to remind myself, "oh but thanks to all this inconvenience, i'm safer now". but, on that journey where the inspection caused me to miss my flight...i realized, while waiting for the next plane, that i still had my LEATHERMAN in my purse. aargh. On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Costas Andreou wrote: > Hello everyone. Here is a BBC article about musicians' problems > because of > the new cabin baggage ban on planes. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4784225.stm?ls > > Costas Andreou > > http://www.costasandreou.com > contact@costasandreou.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 20:03:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0FE83BEC1; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29BD2CCA-1792-4E59-8A07-E8AEBB89A1AE@the0verclock.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brian Cass Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT I T LOOPS) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:03:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:03:13 +0000 (UTC) I love the KP and the KP-2, I own several and use them for all sorts of things. I recently took one of the older KP-1 boxes apart in hopes of using the x/y pad for a homemade controller. It didn't work as I hoped and I'm curious if anyone has messed with this before. Of course I removed the pad very carefully and I can put the KP back together pretty easily, but I'd really like to just use the x/y for part of a midi controller I am building. Any experience? - b On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:58 PM, fabio anile wrote: > Surely, it loops and it's definitively one of my preferred piece of > gear. > With its X/Y vectors I've got a usefull control of effects. About > what Per said, I've see a cellist in the M. Stockausen band playing > it with her nude foot.. Sreange but interesting! > My best > Fabio Anile > > http://xoomer. alice. it/eterogeneo > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 20:58:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53EA13BEC7; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CLppyPIngVZ0XmJzDjt2WOY01Qtd7FQLs7vw1p+m20m0p5U31BgTrqrh4daYVfVurMY7PWGoxI6y8n6Br4GimV5q1cvdPAs7XOIG3XfwWVxXdjU7VOPbrhcwU4PbJ7uJOECjt35glKbFD+PhCie3ol9l61pBiMlW9m08Fv/OnRU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1107.212.205.245.33.1155387589.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4FEBAC33-B51E-40B2-B609-D8FB982351C9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:58:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) On 12 aug 2006, at 21.47, Zoe Keating wrote: > aargh. Agreed. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 21:20:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE2FF3BEC1; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yH8keUwrjz6Py31wQRIXtK7We/Qkriu/NjLlacGvZKGs4gyhqnHU+aMM7oFbhTjwbBVWH3kZ44Q6Bg5NqVwwExU65iK7k5ddDn4d5IwSTRDssjNTDoTi7KJYzImRvUSpFbZsqvGpQpnohwUUto1iIDwko+LxCsaRGIIDdLaTGvg= ; Message-ID: <20060812212034.98523.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:20:34 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: a quote from tEd To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <99018122f0a8439355599c13a70122c3@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:20:36 +0000 (UTC) --- tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > I'm not from around > here . . . but this > is where I am. i like this statement a lot and will use it often. kudos, Dan boo cha loop __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 22:17:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E31293BEC7; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c701c6be5d$1dd59390$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060812092408.99245.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003901c6be21$af6c8200$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:17:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:17:41 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that was my good buddie that wrote the review of my CD "Live at the Kulture Klatsch", which I disputed with him on line. :) ....great blues guitarist nonetheless! His name is.....Larry Conklin. I think Old Boise Guitar here can get those AERs. I'll check out your leads below....that David amp was sure nice this morning, though...very tiny..about 10" by 10" by 9" or so...HUGE sound, a swiss amp built like a tank. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® kiLLiAn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Re: OT: Small/Light Acoustic Guitar Amps > Kris, > > Do you remember the guitarist playing in the restaurant during the > post-BEMF breakfast? > I believe he was playing through an AER amp. I forget his name . . . heck > I even forget > the name of the restaurant (which is pretty darn remarkable considering) . > . . but if the > guy is a local you might try seeking his advice and/or opinion. His tone > was pretty good > (I thought) and I remember taking note of his setup. In another lifetime I > played Leo > Kottke-style, finger-picked, bottle-neck slide guitar like he was playing > (about 25 > years ago . . . and much less expertly). > > BTW, Jamie Findley used to play/endorse Lakewood guitars. I also did their > advertising > and have met Jamie on several occassions . . . both then and when I worked > for Seymour > Duncan. He also (at some point) used/endorsed their acoustic pickups and > amplification products. > Duncan used to produce an amp called the TARA. Guitar Player magazine once > described it in > a product "shootout" literally as the acoustic amp that all others should > be judged against. > Ironically, within about a month or two Duncan stopped producing them. > > If you could find one of THOSE . . . particularly one of their nifty > closed-back combos . . . > ah . . . sighs whistfully. > > Best regards, > > Ted Killian > > On Aug 12, 2006, at 8:12 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I have my eye on the AER Alpha too...it's just a cute and compact little >> thing (10" cube basically)....perfect match for my Roland Cube-30. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 22:38:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AB9A3BEC7; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:47:11 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT I T LOOPS) To: Message-id: <001401c6be61$403ecb00$3ba0a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29BD2CCA-1792-4E59-8A07-E8AEBB89A1AE@the0verclock.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3TYGbD.A.awC.ahl3EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:38:19 +0000 (UTC) I think someone built a Kaoss Pad into a guitar, no? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cass" To: Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT I T LOOPS) > I love the KP and the KP-2, I own several and use them for all sorts > of things. > > I recently took one of the older KP-1 boxes apart in hopes of using > the x/y pad for a homemade controller. It didn't work as I hoped and > I'm curious if anyone has messed with this before. Of course I > removed the pad very carefully and I can put the KP back together > pretty easily, but I'd really like to just use the x/y for part of a > midi controller I am building. Any experience? > > - b > > > > On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:58 PM, fabio anile wrote: > > > Surely, it loops and it's definitively one of my preferred piece of > > gear. > > With its X/Y vectors I've got a usefull control of effects. About > > what Per said, I've see a cellist in the M. Stockausen band playing > > it with her nude foot.. Sreange but interesting! > > My best > > Fabio Anile > > > > http://xoomer. alice. it/eterogeneo > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 23:23:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF083BEB9; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:23:32 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Free Mackie mixer bag for anybody that wants to pick it up Message-ID: <3D759689F2C9E2640CC341EB@[192.168.1.104]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:23:51 +0000 (UTC) I have a hardly ever used Mackie mixer bag for a 1604 mixer that I used years ago and haven't used since. I'm using all rack mounted mixers these days. So, I will never need this bag again. It isn't worth enough cash to be worth my time to sell it, but if anybody around San Jose wants to come get it, it is yours. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 12 23:40:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E2573BED9; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:40:36 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT I T LOOPS) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001001c6be68$b682a7d0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <29BD2CCA-1792-4E59-8A07-E8AEBB89A1AE@the0verclock.com> <001401c6be61$403ecb00$3ba0a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:40:41 +0000 (UTC) There`s a custom built one here but I think I`ve heard of another too http://www.mjguitar.com/photo/kaoss.jpg http://www.mjguitar.com/customshop.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT I T LOOPS) >I think someone built a Kaoss Pad into a guitar, no? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cass" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT > I > T LOOPS) > > >> I love the KP and the KP-2, I own several and use them for all sorts >> of things. >> >> I recently took one of the older KP-1 boxes apart in hopes of using >> the x/y pad for a homemade controller. It didn't work as I hoped and >> I'm curious if anyone has messed with this before. Of course I >> removed the pad very carefully and I can put the KP back together >> pretty easily, but I'd really like to just use the x/y for part of a >> midi controller I am building. Any experience? >> >> - b >> >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:58 PM, fabio anile wrote: >> >> > Surely, it loops and it's definitively one of my preferred piece of >> > gear. >> > With its X/Y vectors I've got a usefull control of effects. About >> > what Per said, I've see a cellist in the M. Stockausen band playing >> > it with her nude foot.. Sreange but interesting! >> > My best >> > Fabio Anile >> > >> > http://xoomer. alice. it/eterogeneo >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 00:12:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8B753BEC1; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AkknfjJhItvnl+8oaEhkbW2vHHIuj7ec8lOvE/EGJ4lwlHimeQ2qko8/c3wJjjSaEyMBiPbRpBreqz+6WMCQgnZc9i3B0J64wIPp63iY/x8xrw/7/K+p9Cbg5m/UJ3l6wV3IYsk6NKCxjC3n7NQlb1wxWfWHXfa1o/9zbTHDszY= In-Reply-To: <001401c6be61$403ecb00$3ba0a344@hppav> References: <29BD2CCA-1792-4E59-8A07-E8AEBB89A1AE@the0verclock.com> <001401c6be61$403ecb00$3ba0a344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <36C18CC2-A6FB-4F19-81CD-40AA408434B9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: praising the X/Y vector concept (was: kaoss pad porn (NOT OT I T LOOPS) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:12:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:12:37 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 12, 2006, at 3:47 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I think someone built a Kaoss Pad into a guitar, no? This is from Music Thing blogspot Aug. 3: Manson guitar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ022eXOK2Q Muse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26j8hbIxHnM Radiohead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwdWfPxpq8g regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 00:49:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE8D3BECC; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f701c6be72$4ff6ee90$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My first busking gig with laptop, Roland Microcube and MIDI Mouse Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:49:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:49:22 +0000 (UTC) I had my first street gig (laptop looping setup) today here in Boise. I used my Taylor nylon string, Roland Microcube, notebook, and the MIDI Mouse. Everything went great, sold a fair amount of CDs, lots of compleents, tips etc. But I had some problems with the Microcube during my first set. It sounded like crap, tinny, unclear, distorting, and so on....I discovered that it sounded 100% better by going from my laptop to the Aux in of the Microcube...very crisp, full, and clear, bypassing all the amp's simulation, EQ, and everthing. Wow, what a big difference. So if any of you plan to busk with a Microcube, and a laptop or a bunch of gear that pre-processes your tone the way you like it and ready to feed to a mixer, try using the Aux of of the MicroCube....made a hell of a difference. This should have occured to me before...that I'm already producing a great sound out of my laptop, so I don't need all the amp simulation and EQ of the Microcube. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 01:57:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EAF73BEC7; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:57:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060812183032.05da0a10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:57:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP knowledge was: EDP ignorance In-Reply-To: <008701c6be31$99051580$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008701c6be31$99051580$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:57:48 +0000 (UTC) At 10:06 AM 8/12/2006, loop.pool wrote: >I was thinking that it might be cool to have Gibson or Aurisis sponsor a >webpage where users explained musical techniques, how to achieve them >and why they are useful aesthetically to augment the EDP manual. I thought I did that already, about 10 years ago! It would be nice if people used the site for discussing looping rather than say, acoustic guitar amps. :-) (or whatever the latest non-looping thread is) >Still, it was very confusing to me because it didn't have connection to >musicality. It has always felt like a manual written for techies, and I >just have never been much of a techie myself. Are you talking about the old manual or the new one? I almost completely rewrote it for the EDP plus, and tried to reorganize it. It seems to me the volume of complaining about the manual went down after that. >In it's defense, Andy is correct...........it would have been several >times as large it is already 310 pages long! >but I still think a lot of beginning users don't get what this thing can >do until they see someone use it really well. Isn't this true of any instrument? When I've bought guitars they rarely came with more than 1 page of instructions. And those just explained how to set intonation or what each knob did. I learned how to play from teachers, practicing, studying, listening, watching, etc. There is a whole ecosystem for learning. It seems to me there is plenty of opportunity for talented loopers to teach lessons or write books or make instructional videos. Why not you? What are you all waiting for? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 05:04:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230123BED6; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Anyone see Adrian Belew on this tour? Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 01:04:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201c6be95$e6a363f0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aca+keeuW7hJqj0CTvOwUKnX24QdUgAA0KsA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:04:08 +0000 (UTC) He's touring with a brother and sister: Julie and Eric Slick. They are graduates from the School of Rock. I think Eric has been blogging about the tour. Check on Adrian's website www.adrianbelew.net I wonder if there are still tix for the Philly show. I was thinking about running down to see him but none of my regular concert buds wanted to go. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Anyone see Adrian Belew on this tour? Title sez it. I'm going to the Phila Pa show on monday. On his site it shows he's got a trio and will be doing solo and various band material. I'm curious what he's up to and who the other musicians are. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 06:23:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6211F3BED2; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SwuVfypE2Jz1+cQk01yG30yzsGZwah0QT+T9/AgjXFFLb6r/XZrg1wNbYf9T/Wx9kBYQMVtslwtfref+fbphnQfw8L9P+pzVPGVaAj8754L5uytwMu55yOSb1WyvQcaGRoYKoINoK9Lahgfmu9nswY2d/0KDOlvVi8fdEUf9FPY= Message-ID: <64b81a780608122323r7a1e33b8x9fe9435acad0a4e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 02:23:42 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1107.212.205.245.33.1155387589.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 06:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Amazingly, none of these jack asses seem to realize or care that this cello is worth more than most luxury cars or that it's your livelyhood they're screwing around with. Ultimately, it's probably safer and easier to ship your gear FedEx or UPS. I can't imagine checking my guitar into the hold, flight case or not. Just the thought of some baboon opening up and man-handling....er....inspecting her gives me the willies, then hoping they repack her correctly. Forget it. Todd On 8/12/06, Zoe Keating wrote: > traveling for a musician was already a nightmare, and now it is > worse. i worry more about flying with the cello than i do about the > performance on the other end. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 09:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E013BED3; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44DEEC81.2090101@dadaprod.org> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:10:25 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians References: <1107.212.205.245.33.1155387589.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.82.106 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|H 0.503118/0.0/5.0/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:10:39 +0000 (UTC) A way avoid this stress is thinking about the ecologic impact of one of this music trip for the earth and the other species sharing this space with us.. Then you may think that playing around the world cause so much pollution that it's not worth doing this... You will have more time then for your family and local gigs.. > horrible, horrible times. > > traveling for a musician was already a nightmare, and now it is worse. > i worry more about flying with the cello than i do about the > performance on the other end. > > as for the repeaters...i never put them in the hold. i always put them > in my carry-on with my laptop. i think it is more likely that i can > find a replacement cello than replacement repeaters!! (how weird is > that! the cello is about 20 times more valuable) > > maybe one outcome of the ban on cabin baggage will be that hold > baggage is treated better. in any other business such mistreatment of > property would not be considered acceptable. but now if people have no > choice but to check fragile and expensive items? the airlines > themselves recommend that you carry on anything valuable. > > i used to buy an extra seat for the cello, but after Sept 11, > sometimes i would be denied boarding by ignorant staff. i started > putting it in the hold inside a flight case and insisted on > gate-checking it. without fail, i would be yelled at by TSA during > screening. "you can't bring that through here". at one airport they > unpacked the cello and left it naked on a metal table (not letting me > anywhere near it) while crowds of people jostled past in the security > line. they wanted to run it this way through the xray machine. my > tearful entreaties had an effect and they ended up with one person > holding it upside down while 2 others searched inside with > flashlights. the endpin and bows were removed and i was told to check > them into my baggage. i replied they are too long to fit in my > suitcase, and a TSA person said "well you should of thought of that > before". that the cello was going in the hold and not the cabin made > not the slightest difference. if it wasn't so stressful it would be > comical. > > gate checking in that instance caused me to miss my flight, so now i > check it at the ticket desk. the flight case is very good, but being > so enormous, it must be hand inspected by the TSA (leaving their > little calling card inside). i always ask nicely if i can be present, > mostly to verifying that they repack if properly. if not repacked > exactly right, the cello might not survive the baggage handling. on a > recent flight the TSA closed the case, but never strapped in the cello > inside. amazingly, other than the soundpost falling out and the > bridge knocked out of place, it was fine. and if i have a connection > to make when coming from overseas (say london to philly to seattle). > because of the hand inspection, the cello never makes it to the > connecting flight. when possible, i always try to get to my > destination a day earlier, so that i have time to wait for the poor > cello to arrive, or get any repairs done. > > sometimes the stress is too much, and i think "i can't handle this any > more!!", but what is the alternative??? > > i try to remind myself, "oh but thanks to all this inconvenience, i'm > safer now". but, on that journey where the inspection caused me to > miss my flight...i realized, while waiting for the next plane, that i > still had my LEATHERMAN in my purse. > > aargh. > > On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Costas Andreou wrote: > >> Hello everyone. Here is a BBC article about musicians' problems >> because of >> the new cabin baggage ban on planes. >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4784225.stm?ls >> >> Costas Andreou >> >> http://www.costasandreou.com >> contact@costasandreou.com >> > > > > > --No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: > 11/08/2006 > > -- _____________________________________________________________________ plateforme de téléchargement libre, label autogéré, média indépendant ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org _____________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 09:53:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6333BED2; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:53:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=plQrjtl0YQrbf1j7HRu9rhPUZVR/lGIW9xT35IBii/DiV1j76qbojLzXuTyHjGJH9Z3QJRNAEhaR1+4548t//Qf9B9AP56t6WMYlwr6OkOM58bb24qUQ4KYAG5XfLhviSukOS7FJvQEZ8828ODKKL6EJAszAETviYYabyvCmPKM= ; Message-ID: <20060813095317.7069.qmail@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 02:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <44DEEC81.2090101@dadaprod.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:53:20 +0000 (UTC) the situation is really depressing,i travel every year to California and is turning into a nightmare,last year i took my acoustic guitar with me onboard,although they kept telling me i was at my own risk so i took my chance but luckily it went through ok.But now its over damn! many thanks to the war pigs who travel in their own fat jetplanes! Luis --- sonic steph wrote: > A way avoid this stress is thinking about the > ecologic impact of one of > this music trip for the earth and the other species > sharing this space > with us.. Then you may think that playing around the > world cause so much > pollution that it's not worth doing this... > You will have more time then for your family and > local gigs.. > > horrible, horrible times. > > > > traveling for a musician was already a nightmare, > and now it is worse. > > i worry more about flying with the cello than i do > about the > > performance on the other end. > > > > as for the repeaters...i never put them in the > hold. i always put them > > in my carry-on with my laptop. i think it is more > likely that i can > > find a replacement cello than replacement > repeaters!! (how weird is > > that! the cello is about 20 times more valuable) > > > > maybe one outcome of the ban on cabin baggage will > be that hold > > baggage is treated better. in any other business > such mistreatment of > > property would not be considered acceptable. but > now if people have no > > choice but to check fragile and expensive items? > the airlines > > themselves recommend that you carry on anything > valuable. > > > > i used to buy an extra seat for the cello, but > after Sept 11, > > sometimes i would be denied boarding by ignorant > staff. i started > > putting it in the hold inside a flight case and > insisted on > > gate-checking it. without fail, i would be yelled > at by TSA during > > screening. "you can't bring that through here". at > one airport they > > unpacked the cello and left it naked on a metal > table (not letting me > > anywhere near it) while crowds of people jostled > past in the security > > line. they wanted to run it this way through the > xray machine. my > > tearful entreaties had an effect and they ended up > with one person > > holding it upside down while 2 others searched > inside with > > flashlights. the endpin and bows were removed and > i was told to check > > them into my baggage. i replied they are too long > to fit in my > > suitcase, and a TSA person said "well you should > of thought of that > > before". that the cello was going in the hold and > not the cabin made > > not the slightest difference. if it wasn't so > stressful it would be > > comical. > > > > gate checking in that instance caused me to miss > my flight, so now i > > check it at the ticket desk. the flight case is > very good, but being > > so enormous, it must be hand inspected by the TSA > (leaving their > > little calling card inside). i always ask nicely > if i can be present, > > mostly to verifying that they repack if properly. > if not repacked > > exactly right, the cello might not survive the > baggage handling. on a > > recent flight the TSA closed the case, but never > strapped in the cello > > inside. amazingly, other than the soundpost > falling out and the > > bridge knocked out of place, it was fine. and if i > have a connection > > to make when coming from overseas (say london to > philly to seattle). > > because of the hand inspection, the cello never > makes it to the > > connecting flight. when possible, i always try to > get to my > > destination a day earlier, so that i have time to > wait for the poor > > cello to arrive, or get any repairs done. > > > > sometimes the stress is too much, and i think "i > can't handle this any > > more!!", but what is the alternative??? > > > > i try to remind myself, "oh but thanks to all this > inconvenience, i'm > > safer now". but, on that journey where the > inspection caused me to > > miss my flight...i realized, while waiting for the > next plane, that i > > still had my LEATHERMAN in my purse. > > > > aargh. > > > > On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:59 AM, Costas Andreou wrote: > > > >> Hello everyone. Here is a BBC article about > musicians' problems > >> because of > >> the new cabin baggage ban on planes. > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4784225.stm?ls > >> > >> Costas Andreou > >> > >> http://www.costasandreou.com > >> contact@costasandreou.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > --No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - > Release Date: > > 11/08/2006 > > > > > > > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > plateforme de téléchargement libre, label autogéré, > média indépendant > ----------------------- > http://www.dadaprod.org > _____________________________________________________________________ > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 09:59:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C68813BEC7; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=38DEYsaQlwdLPazEXaXhEiHpvr6GRoJx2At91Gb32FM31g/zmqgvxtjKU2DeQapn0HfDtzyXa4n8k6rGWp2eb4Fj3b07ZTmlEl/nZRQV33VGEgDYYQ4ffspmRY4lhj4nOtH/R0J310NRTzNLL8ZKNFVYnO8TJAiWm8dERgoYOGU= ; Message-ID: <20060813095932.12520.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 02:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780608122323r7a1e33b8x9fe9435acad0a4e4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:59:33 +0000 (UTC) id also like to mention that if you check equipment in, take a quick look at it when you claim your baggs,a couple of years ago i had a talk box effect opened,it arrived without screws and it seems like one of my acoustic guitar internal pickups was inspected as well since one of the cables inside was dettatched! Luis --- Todd Pafford wrote: > Amazingly, none of these jack asses seem to realize > or care that this > cello is worth more than most luxury cars or that > it's your livelyhood > they're screwing around with. Ultimately, it's > probably safer and > easier to ship your gear FedEx or UPS. I can't > imagine checking my > guitar into the hold, flight case or not. Just the > thought of some > baboon opening up and > man-handling....er....inspecting her gives me > the willies, then hoping they repack her correctly. > Forget it. > > Todd > > On 8/12/06, Zoe Keating > wrote: > > traveling for a musician was already a nightmare, > and now it is > > worse. i worry more about flying with the cello > than i do about the > > performance on the other end. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 10:28:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C3093BED9; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAJya3kSBUYk3AgcECgcGHQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060813110153.01aa6fb8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:28:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians In-Reply-To: <20060813095932.12520.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <64b81a780608122323r7a1e33b8x9fe9435acad0a4e4@mail.gmail.com> <20060813095932.12520.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:28:35 +0000 (UTC) >id also like to mention that if you check equipment >in, take a quick look at it when you claim your >baggs,a couple of years ago i had a talk box effect >opened,it arrived without screws and it seems like one >of my acoustic guitar internal pickups was inspected >as well since one of the cables inside was dettatched! >Luis yep, I had my guitar tuner pulled open for inspection ( and it wasn't designed to open ) If you spot the damage right away and report it,=20 it's possible to get compensation from the airline, ..but absurdly limited to the weight of the item. My acoustic guitar sustained a crack once, and=20 compensation was about =A3140, corresponding to the maximum baggage weight allowed. ( though the guitar weighed much less= ) andy=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 10:57:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60E6A3BECD; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ntTDWJ2S1BlJLJK8sAqLJL6/ccg5WDBNBUSW5jeUZPkgs4IZN4jdUN07DIKLOgb6HzyM6lk/vwaoGeBpLKUgUPbnA/6k10v8pQrIW/GUkA+FsFgXq7G4vFHc6hc+UFJFsimXiWTEV45gCTVGBbWWLbAWCIyCbz8NIt7gu5ZBqdU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3D759689F2C9E2640CC341EB@[192.168.1.104]> References: <3D759689F2C9E2640CC341EB@[192.168.1.104]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <69DB59C7-1701-4796-AC86-5BE597CE89BD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Selling: Gator Rack and 1604A mixer (Europe, Sweden) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:57:11 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:57:15 +0000 (UTC) If anyone close to Stockholm/Sweden is interested, I'm selling the rack and/or the mixer on the picture: http://www.boysen.se/bilder/looping_rack.gif I hardly think it would be worth the cost to ship it too far ;-) (I need my time better working for income than working to sell this thing) Oh, got an old Roland MC-303 groovebox to throw out as well... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 11:00:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50ED83BEE1; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RS0iER9LvOMf4R+VobGqGtPRgVj7rHctXAy8rI2aJwCObkB9tvcgPCobxqGKHhImSI0BIFlDOSVOZW6V+j7dD+lCjn4l3W8NIJTbzWJc9+gQjHe92dV4uWq07n5HxR2/kgash9F1t6QK5iJH8nWMSFYoKZEYZAjBYTs7zsfhO4Q= In-Reply-To: <00f701c6be72$4ff6ee90$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00f701c6be72$4ff6ee90$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1217E4FD-0A1E-4163-BD4F-E88DE2FE1E1A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My first busking gig with laptop, Roland Microcube and MIDI Mouse Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:00:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:00:21 +0000 (UTC) On 13 aug 2006, at 02.49, Krispen Hartung wrote: > .I discovered that it sounded 100% better by going from my laptop > to the Aux in of the Microcube... Interesting. Will memorize that. How did you provide the power for your gadgets? All batteries? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 11:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB93E3BEE4; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00be01c6bec8$b90902f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: EDP ignorance Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 04:07:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:07:52 +0000 (UTC) kim wrote: "It seems to me there is plenty of opportunity for talented loopers to teach lessons or write books or make instructional videos. Why not you? What are you all waiting for?" I know that Hans Lindauer shot a video of Andre LaFosse and I have not idea why it never came out (or maybe, I should say, if it ever came out). Bernhard Wagner has also been working on a documentary about the EDP. Has that ever seen the light of day? Anyone know the status of these events? kim wrote: "Are you talking about the old manual or the new one? I almost completely rewrote it for the EDP plus, and tried to reorganize it. It seems to me the volume of complaining about the manual went down after that." and, yes, Kim, the new manual is really much better than the old one and you did a good job on it, to give ample credit where credit is do. I still wish there was perhaps a glossary of musical techniques and the specific tools to use to accomplish them. But, as you say, if I really want it that badly, I can do it myself. ************************************** I also hear what you say that you can buy a guitar without much of a manual, but the techniques that are possible with the Loop IV software are paradigm breaking in any digital instrument in my opinion and it has taken me seeing people like Andy,Claude, Andre, Luis and Matthias to get a handle on some of the techniques. In my early days of trying to sell people on the concept of the EDP and it's power, I always found it difficult to do because people almost have to see it used to get what it can do..............but that's the territory with a powerful and complex tool. Some people find Andre's music to be too challenging, but I myself got really turned on seeing him play and his approach set the bar for me for the use of the instrument. It's funny, but two artists I know, Andre and Claude Voit no longer use techniques that they used to use that are techniques that really turned me on. Specifically, Andre's use of an old roland drummachine to play his loop fragments like melodic jungle patterns and Claude's use of sequencing to control the EDP) I guess artists have to grow.............but the things they did could only be done with the EDP (or I guess, now, Mobius in software). sorry for the babble, but I love the EDP. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 11:16:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1ECD3BEE9; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cSNnxvFiNrifL0UFKzLdUB9LiGYVEhgDjrchklfx0aLDBWYimuhOjqhoiGmBDs60Tt7Wl/rZD6BEBwDdsPpnYAT7rdf/UXPMvVGfwhV+34z4SwuuqEi5zRQ2bMwX022h192dfBGDYLgTUhj5WNL1oOFoYHZr/A76EpCT8Mzo1F8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060813095932.12520.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060813095932.12520.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:16:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:16:17 +0000 (UTC) On 13 aug 2006, at 11.59, L.A. Angulo wrote: > a couple of years ago i had a talk box effect > opened, On 13 aug 2006, at 12.28, a k butler wrote: > yep, I had my guitar tuner pulled open for inspection These are horror stories... Can't you keep the trunk locked and offer to go with it into the security area to open it up for inspection? Last year I travelled with studio gear in a locked trunk that I checked in and while waiting for my boarding I was called in by the public airport speakers to show off and explain my luggage (genlec speakers probably looking suspect on x-ray). Is it now a rule that you are not allowed to lock the trunks you check in? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 12:42:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 103DE3BED6; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c6bed5$e469d390$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <00be01c6bec8$b90902f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: EDP ignorance Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:42:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:41:59 +0000 (UTC) snip --rick-- > It's funny, but two artists I know, Andre and Claude Voit no longer use > techniques that they used to use that are > techniques that really turned me on. Specifically, Andre's use of an > old roland drummachine to play his loop fragments like melodic jungle > patterns and Claude's use of sequencing to control the EDP) > > I guess artists have to grow.............but the things they did could > only be done with the EDP > (or I guess, now, Mobius in software). nono Rick My happy birthday LD song was done this way http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main with the help of an old Dennis Leas post about change ringing http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199901/msg00461.html I use the 4 plain hunt sequence with 4 loops/bells in delay mode panned L, 20%, -20%, R. the dry guitar is center. recorded as exactly as played (no multitrack or editing whatsoever) I still do a lot of experiments this way (sequenced EDP), 2 tunes in Zurich where done this way. Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 13:04:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C52583BEDC; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAABTA3kSBUYk/AwwHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060813140205.01b821d8@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:04:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians In-Reply-To: References: <20060813095932.12520.qmail@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:04:16 +0000 (UTC) At 12:16 13/08/2006, you wrote: >.. Can't you keep the trunk locked and offer >to go with it into the security area to open it up for inspection? I thought you're not allowed to lock things, ...and if you do, they can be forced open. I guess you got lucky, some nice guy had time to call you on that occasion. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 14:38:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1CB3BECC; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tfwDPFy92Bzh9/wMmXzNy1G29p5zJFnZbVC2y7qbLPjbQkbcKv6e7fITa/I7Iv1s; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <23027533.1155479909840.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 08:38:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da9405707e0a321996e82e49765f7c0d3f474350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Having handled packages for UPS and also delivered for them, it has been my observation that your packages are no more or less safe than in the hold of a commercial airliner. Despite my best efforts, packages oftentimes rolled and shifted, sat in the cold for ridiculous amounts of time, etc. etc........ My campadres at Fed Ex tell me of similar stories, especially in the winter, around holidays and the like. I have checked alot of guitars through baggage before, including an Alvarez acoustic that was in a gig bag that I had to put in the hold. It not only survived the flight ( Toronto-Oslo-Stockholm) but was relatively in tune when I got it out of the case when arriving. Weird. I guess that I have been very lucky in that regard. Todd -----Original Message----- >From: Todd Pafford >Sent: Aug 13, 2006 12:23 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Cabin baggage ban hits musicians > >Amazingly, none of these jack asses seem to realize or care that this >cello is worth more than most luxury cars or that it's your livelyhood >they're screwing around with. Ultimately, it's probably safer and >easier to ship your gear FedEx or UPS. I can't imagine checking my >guitar into the hold, flight case or not. Just the thought of some >baboon opening up and man-handling....er....inspecting her gives me >the willies, then hoping they repack her correctly. Forget it. > >Todd > >On 8/12/06, Zoe Keating wrote: >> traveling for a musician was already a nightmare, and now it is >> worse. i worry more about flying with the cello than i do about the >> performance on the other end. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 16:12:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668833BEDA; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,119,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="1581619937:sNHT21835438" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060812212034.98523.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060812212034.98523.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: a quote from tEd Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:12:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:12:33 +0000 (UTC) You are welcome. Best regards, Ted Killian On Aug 12, 2006, at 2:20 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > > > --- tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > >> I'm not from around >> here . . . but this >> is where I am. > > > > i like this statement a lot and will use it often. > kudos, > Dan boo cha loop > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 16:45:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69AB03BED6; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014a01c6bef7$eb141800$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00f701c6be72$4ff6ee90$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1217E4FD-0A1E-4163-BD4F-E88DE2FE1E1A@gmail.com> Subject: Re: My first busking gig with laptop, Roland Microcube and MIDI Mouse Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:45:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I thought it was interesting too...makes me wonder if I should just bought a tiny battery powered mini PA speaker rather than the Roland MicroCube with all the bells and whistles....given that all I need is clean amplification to reproduce what comes out of my laptop. I live and learn, I guess. Yes, I was all batter powered. My ThinkPad has the larger batter in it which get about 4 hours of live, plus I have an extra standard battery for it just in case. The MicroCube is obviously battery powered, and then my MIDI Mouse midi controller is powered on a 9 volt. I'm a little annoyed by the MIDI Mouse now...I may invest in the MIDI Moose afterall...just that one single button can force me into a tap dance too often...trying to get from Record to Overdub, to Multiply, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:00 AM Subject: Re: My first busking gig with laptop, Roland Microcube and MIDI Mouse > On 13 aug 2006, at 02.49, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> .I discovered that it sounded 100% better by going from my laptop to the >> Aux in of the Microcube... > > Interesting. Will memorize that. How did you provide the power for your > gadgets? All batteries? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 18:21:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C62C93BEDA; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44DEEC81.2090101@dadaprod.org> References: <1107.212.205.245.33.1155387589.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> <44DEEC81.2090101@dadaprod.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1055083969 Message-Id: <29AC9106-21E8-466A-AB09-7EA802EF0194@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: OFF T: musical environmentalism; ON T: stage "neatness" Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:20:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: 7b5d332a-2af8-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcYVU/GlJ1 UkhJREJTHQ9qABYB AlAcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox16 NjcoFjF/ZWdkbmMY HkRcdAcad1FPKhxG aAFiViJbaXgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV2ElMHYA FVgHAC4uFkQBDyg1 MR08LVgZEUANO0Ez Kl5yEXU+eyNAQhZC Fk5ASGVfKlAdQScw Fkky X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:21:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1055083969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'm an urban dwelling, bicycle riding, renewable energy user but I still have guilt. Luckily there is this: Terrapass (http://www.terrapass.com) One could perversely argue that it's very environmentally conscious to be a traveling musician....because I travel so much, my sweetie and I don't have any energy guzzling North American children! (but maybe if we do, we should take the Brangelina phenom a step farther and actually raise them in Namibia) ;-) Ok, sorry Loopers ... I saw Travis Hartnett last night and he was very good. I enjoyed ogling his setup (sorry if I made you nervous Travis!) and it occurred to me that every looper I know is so "neat" on stage. Must go with the territory I guess. I know I'm fanatical about having everything perfectly rack mounted, and as "plug n play" as possible. Maybe the next Loopstock should have a perfect-stage-setup symposium? On Aug 13, 2006, at 2:10 AM, sonic steph wrote: > A way avoid this stress is thinking about the ecologic impact of > one of this music trip for the earth and the other species sharing > this space with us.. Then you may think that playing around the > world cause so much pollution that it's not worth doing this... > You will have more time then for your family and local gigs.. --Apple-Mail-1--1055083969 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
I'm an urban dwelling, = bicycle riding, renewable energy user but I still have guilt. Luckily = there is this:

=
One could perversely = argue that it's very environmentally conscious to be a traveling = musician....because I travel so much, my sweetie and I don't have any = energy guzzling North American children! (but maybe if we do, we should = take the Brangelina phenom a step farther and actually raise them in = Namibia) ;-)

Ok, sorry Loopers = ...=A0

I saw = Travis Hartnett last night and he was very good.

I enjoyed ogling his setup = (sorry if I made you nervous Travis!) and it occurred to me that every = looper I know is so "neat" on stage. Must go with the territory I guess. = I know I'm fanatical about having everything perfectly rack mounted, and = as "plug n play" as possible. Maybe the next Loopstock should have a = perfect-stage-setup symposium?


On Aug 13, 2006, = at 2:10 AM, sonic steph wrote:

A way avoid this stress is = thinking about the ecologic impact of one of this music trip for the = earth and the other species sharing this space with us.. Then you may = think that playing around the world cause so much pollution that it's = not worth doing this...

You will have more time then for your family and local = gigs..


= --Apple-Mail-1--1055083969-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 18:30:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5723BEE2; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 14:30:48 EDT Subject: Re: EDP knowledge To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1155493848" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5326 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9cJd2.A.14F.b_23EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:30:52 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1155493848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kim writes: It seems to me there is plenty of opportunity for talented loopers to teach lessons or write books or make instructional videos. Why not you? What are you all waiting for? Are there any existing beginner videos of how to use the EDP plus? I need help getting going. Alternately, if someone is in the DC area I'll take some lessons! cheers Dave -------------------------------1155493848 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kim writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>It seems=20 to me there is plenty of opportunity for talented loopers to teach
les= sons=20 or write books or make instructional videos. Why not you? What are
you= all=20 waiting for?
Are there any existing beginner videos of how to use the EDP plus? = ; I=20 need help getting going. Alternately, if someone is in the DC area I'll take= =20 some lessons!
cheers
Dave
-------------------------------1155493848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 20:50:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4EC13BED6; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:47:21 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 12, 2006 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:50:41 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #93 August 12, 2006. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase II was preempted to expand Phases I and III. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Steve Roach This Planet Storm Surge (NEARfest) Steve Roach Mystic Passage Storm Surge (NEARfest) Steve Roach Wings of Icarus Storm Surge (NEARfest) Steve Roach Core Meditation Storm Surge (NEARfest) John Duval Approaching the Rim Hell's Canyon (Binary) John Duval Hell's Canyon Hell's Canyon (Binary) VA [Gert Emmens] Requiem pour Mama E-dition #9 (Groove) VA [Volt] Journey to the Rim E-dition #9 (Groove) Slaw God Told Me To Eat Snakes and Ladders (Doubtful Your Furniture Palace) Philip Glass Bukiding Bed Einstein On the Beach (Elektra/Nonsuch) Phase II/Eclectic: Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3. Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Univers Zero Civic Circus Live (Cuneiform) Zaar Zolg Zaar (Cuneiform) Zaar Ce n'est pas triste Zaar (Cuneiform) Pictorial Wand Wrath part II - The A Sleeper's Awakening Beast Within (Unicorn Digital) Pictorial Wand Gluttony - Corrosion A Sleeper's Awakening of Flesh (Unicorn Digital) Karcius Hypothese C Kaleidoscope (Unicorn Digital) The Flower Kings Monsters and Men Paradox Hotel (InsideOut) 8:00 am * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on September 23. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 20:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83DD83BED3; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Mvr2KzqkrQXOxvakzUS14rccVj7BvziIJv78/gKD0p+Yx+Uv25aVQSHzZrkk4UF8dcM9i7t+JdM2FtkqoV2py7bQ31j1i0RgDgcjc79sM08CPCYd3Ou1qn1u6Ebcj3ln2S8r8KTOanaZJ13Ime2F1BXRhyNmNLmU7DQM3bHKkHQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:54:54 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 12, 2006 In-Reply-To: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123540_29514090.1155502494744" References: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:54:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_123540_29514090.1155502494744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Unsubscribe me please. On 8/13/06, Bill Fox wrote: > > http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html > > I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, > ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other > genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 > FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 > am to 9:30 am. > > Show #93 August 12, 2006. > > During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs > that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase > II was preempted to expand Phases I and III. > > > Phase I/Space: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ==================== ==================== ============================== > Steve Roach This Planet Storm Surge (NEARfest) > Steve Roach Mystic Passage Storm Surge (NEARfest) > Steve Roach Wings of Icarus Storm Surge (NEARfest) > Steve Roach Core Meditation Storm Surge (NEARfest) > John Duval Approaching the Rim Hell's Canyon (Binary) > John Duval Hell's Canyon Hell's Canyon (Binary) > VA [Gert Emmens] Requiem pour Mama E-dition #9 (Groove) > VA [Volt] Journey to the Rim E-dition #9 (Groove) > Slaw God Told Me To Eat Snakes and Ladders (Doubtful > Your Furniture Palace) > Philip Glass Bukiding Bed Einstein On the Beach > (Elektra/Nonsuch) > > Phase II/Eclectic: > Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3. > > Phase III/Progressive Rock: > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ==================== ==================== ============================== > Univers Zero Civic Circus Live (Cuneiform) > Zaar Zolg Zaar (Cuneiform) > Zaar Ce n'est pas triste Zaar (Cuneiform) > Pictorial Wand Wrath part II - The A Sleeper's Awakening > Beast Within (Unicorn Digital) > Pictorial Wand Gluttony - Corrosion A Sleeper's Awakening > of Flesh (Unicorn Digital) > Karcius Hypothese C Kaleidoscope (Unicorn Digital) > The Flower Kings Monsters and Men Paradox Hotel (InsideOut) > > 8:00 am > > * = excerpt > ++ = Advanced CDR from artist > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > I return to the AM/FM Show on September 23. > > On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that > come with > each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. > > Bill > ====================================================================== > Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). > Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from > "Beyond the Barriers." > Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. > Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. > Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm > Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at > http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the > REAL AUDIO link or go directly to > rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml > ====================================================================== > The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of > Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to > post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. > > The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD > and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio > programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO > SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any > hint of it. > > The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label > personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing > what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the > radio? Go to the progdj list. > > To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the > [Join This Group!] link. > ====================================================================== > > ------=_Part_123540_29514090.1155502494744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Unsubscribe me please.

On 8/13/06, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html

I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic,
ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7
FM and on the internet.  I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00
am to 9:30 am.

               Show #93                August 12, 2006.

During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs
that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine.  Phase
II was preempted to expand Phases I and III.


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Steve Roach          This Planet          Storm Surge (NEARfest)
Steve Roach          Mystic Passage       Storm Surge (NEARfest)
Steve Roach          Wings of Icarus      Storm Surge (NEARfest)
Steve Roach          Core Meditation      Storm Surge (NEARfest)
John Duval           Approaching the Rim  Hell's Canyon (Binary)
John Duval           Hell's Canyon        Hell's Canyon (Binary)
VA [Gert Emmens]     Requiem pour Mama    E-dition #9 (Groove)
VA [Volt]            Journey to the Rim   E-dition #9 (Groove)
Slaw                 God Told Me To Eat   Snakes and Ladders (Doubtful
                      Your Furniture       Palace)
Philip Glass         Bukiding Bed         Einstein On the Beach
                                           (Elektra/Nonsuch)

Phase II/Eclectic:
Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3.

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Univers Zero         Civic Circus         Live (Cuneiform)
Zaar                 Zolg                 Zaar (Cuneiform)
Zaar                 Ce n'est pas triste  Zaar (Cuneiform)
Pictorial Wand       Wrath part II - The  A Sleeper's Awakening
                      Beast Within         (Unicorn Digital)
Pictorial Wand       Gluttony - Corrosion A Sleeper's Awakening
                      of Flesh             (Unicorn Digital)
Karcius              Hypothese C          Kaleidoscope (Unicorn Digital)
The Flower Kings     Monsters and Men     Paradox Hotel (InsideOut)

8:00 am

* = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show on September 23.

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that
come with
each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine.

Bill
======================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00).
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from
"Beyond the Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the
REAL AUDIO link or go directly to
rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm
Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml
Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml
======================================================================
The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of
Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to
post playlists or track airplay?  The progdj list solves that problem.

The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD
and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio
programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO
SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any
hint of it.

The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label
personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing
what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the
radio? Go to the progdj list.

To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the
[Join This Group!] link.
======================================================================


------=_Part_123540_29514090.1155502494744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 20:57:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 254B13BEDA; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nB5wcuFr0qqc8NhNddUQtS/EgMzy7eLxRfnYB2h23AtVoD58SjS26FPwKB7oaoIXW+NiyBIFDRm7fHKYyc6gQy4IaiBY6oSn7bLeYUco1BfVS3O05K/eQgX7XWWPKRANxp6CsxffWUM+3gQ8ea7GVxfIq9m75frPJLNzGCqx26c= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:57:26 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 12, 2006 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_123572_30471414.1155502646772" References: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: <1B6gb.A.08B.4I53EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:57:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_123572_30471414.1155502646772 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Didn't see this is broadcast to Loopers Delight. I just wanted to unsubscribe to the radio playlist spam. On 8/13/06, Neil Goldstein wrote: > > Unsubscribe me please. > > > On 8/13/06, Bill Fox wrote: > > > > http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html > > > > I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, > > ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other > > genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 > > FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 > > am to 9:30 am. > > > > Show #93 August 12, 2006. > > > > During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs > > that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase > > II was preempted to expand Phases I and III. > > > > > > Phase I/Space: > > > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > > ==================== ==================== ============================== > > > > Steve Roach This Planet Storm Surge (NEARfest) > > Steve Roach Mystic Passage Storm Surge (NEARfest) > > Steve Roach Wings of Icarus Storm Surge (NEARfest) > > Steve Roach Core Meditation Storm Surge (NEARfest) > > John Duval Approaching the Rim Hell's Canyon (Binary) > > John Duval Hell's Canyon Hell's Canyon (Binary) > > VA [Gert Emmens] Requiem pour Mama E-dition #9 (Groove) > > VA [Volt] Journey to the Rim E-dition #9 (Groove) > > Slaw God Told Me To Eat Snakes and Ladders (Doubtful > > Your Furniture Palace) > > Philip Glass Bukiding Bed Einstein On the Beach > > (Elektra/Nonsuch) > > > > Phase II/Eclectic: > > Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3. > > > > Phase III/Progressive Rock: > > > > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > > ==================== ==================== ============================== > > > > Univers Zero Civic Circus Live (Cuneiform) > > Zaar Zolg Zaar (Cuneiform) > > Zaar Ce n'est pas triste Zaar (Cuneiform) > > Pictorial Wand Wrath part II - The A Sleeper's Awakening > > Beast Within (Unicorn Digital) > > Pictorial Wand Gluttony - Corrosion A Sleeper's Awakening > > of Flesh (Unicorn Digital) > > Karcius Hypothese C Kaleidoscope (Unicorn Digital) > > > > The Flower Kings Monsters and Men Paradox Hotel (InsideOut) > > > > 8:00 am > > > > * = excerpt > > ++ = Advanced CDR from artist > > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > > > > I return to the AM/FM Show on September 23. > > > > On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that > > come with > > each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. > > > > Bill > > ====================================================================== > > Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). > > Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from > > "Beyond the Barriers." > > Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. > > Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. > > Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm > > Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at > > http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the > > REAL AUDIO link or go directly to > > rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm > > Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com > > RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml > > Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml > > ====================================================================== > > The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of > > Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to > > post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. > > > > The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD > > and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio > > programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO > > SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any > > hint of it. > > > > The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label > > personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing > > what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the > > radio? Go to the progdj list. > > > > To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the > > [Join This Group!] link. > > ====================================================================== > > > > > ------=_Part_123572_30471414.1155502646772 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Didn't see this is broadcast to Loopers Delight. I just wanted to unsubscribe to the radio playlist spam.

On 8/13/06, Neil Goldstein <swamilove@gmail.com> wrote:
Unsubscribe me please.


On 8/13/06, Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us > wrote:
http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html

I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic,
ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other
genres.  The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7
FM and on the internet.  I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00
am to 9:30 am.

               Show #93                August 12, 2006.

During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs
that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine.  Phase
II was preempted to expand Phases I and III.


Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Steve Roach          This Planet          Storm Surge (NEARfest)
Steve Roach          Mystic Passage       Storm Surge (NEARfest)
Steve Roach          Wings of Icarus      Storm Surge (NEARfest)
Steve Roach          Core Meditation      Storm Surge (NEARfest)
John Duval           Approaching the Rim  Hell's Canyon (Binary)
John Duval           Hell's Canyon        Hell's Canyon (Binary)
VA [Gert Emmens]     Requiem pour Mama    E-dition #9 (Groove)
VA [Volt]            Journey to the Rim   E-dition #9 (Groove)
Slaw                 God Told Me To Eat   Snakes and Ladders (Doubtful
                      Your Furniture       Palace)
Philip Glass         Bukiding Bed         Einstein On the Beach
                                           (Elektra/Nonsuch)

Phase II/Eclectic:
Preempted to expand Phases 1 and 3.

Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
Univers Zero         Civic Circus         Live (Cuneiform)
Zaar                 Zolg                 Zaar (Cuneiform)
Zaar                 Ce n'est pas triste  Zaar (Cuneiform)
Pictorial Wand       Wrath part II - The  A Sleeper's Awakening
                      Beast Within         (Unicorn Digital)
Pictorial Wand       Gluttony - Corrosion A Sleeper's Awakening
                      of Flesh             (Unicorn Digital)
Karcius              Hypothese C          Kaleidoscope (Unicorn Digital)
The Flower Kings     Monsters and Men     Paradox Hotel (InsideOut)

8:00 am

* = excerpt
++ = Advanced CDR from artist
VA = Various Artists (compilation)

I return to the AM/FM Show on September 23.

On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that
come with
each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine.

Bill
======================================================================
Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00).
Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from
"Beyond the Barriers."
Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age.
Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases.
Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm
Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the
REAL AUDIO link or go directly to
rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm
Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com
RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml
Atom ( 0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml
======================================================================
The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of
Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to
post playlists or track airplay?  The progdj list solves that problem.

The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD
and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio
programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO
SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any
hint of it.

The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label
personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing
what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the
radio? Go to the progdj list.

To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the
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------=_Part_123572_30471414.1155502646772-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 22:49:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 422D23BED6; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:48:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <0a0xZC.A.WhE.gx63EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:49:05 +0000 (UTC) Claude Im facinated, can you explain the exact way you "sequence the = edp) I=20 myself have been doing something like this. Using a drummachine, that = sends=20 midi notes I program sequences of "virtual button presses" so I can do=20 things like undo super fast (filling a pattern with undo commands) I = then=20 fill up a log loop with many cycles as poss, THEN loop devide back down = and=20 do the windowing thing... Ive also use the drummachine to chain other = stuff=20 like the half speed and also quite complex ones where I grab a new loop = at=20 the begining of the pattern, mult insert, reverse and.... snippity = chop... Is this what you mean? or what... ? panned? are you using 2 EDPs? (gotta = get=20 me a second one) I understand Dennis' post, but what did YOU mean, when = you=20 say I use the 4 plain hunt sequence... us it how??? Spill the beans mate? Im facinated!! Mark mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org=20 and works at www.transformlearning.com nono Rick My happy birthday LD song was done this way http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main with the help of an old Dennis Leas post about change ringing http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199901/msg00461.html I use the 4 plain hunt sequence with 4 loops/bells in delay mode panned L, 20%, -20%, R. the dry guitar is center. recorded as exactly as played (no multitrack or editing whatsoever) I still do a lot of experiments this way (sequenced EDP), 2 tunes in = Zurich where done this way. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V06 #707 ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 365 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 13 23:00:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D43CE3BECF; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: latency discussions Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:00:52 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c6bf2c$53d2ada0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca/LFNeLaG5Tg6LQgC96t/7krRziQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:00:56 +0000 (UTC) I wrote a little bit about this latency thing...you can find it at http://www.moinlabs.de/e_lat.htm, comments welcome! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 00:02:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEEFD3BECF; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u4c3PhfJFJyxlU//hlSbS4hsK+w6sAMBQRvkshS/iTJdaxDWtbMS+2pyNc+irvH7KZlq7PENH2mrxR+N8fDwb+oocHYThuYN7gP1381TSkTSINj+iMdt93Cc2Ei4w7dZJ3Qg9rRILf6lXjYd5u5DROOIFyZtt5ExVABlyU1iXTo= ; Message-ID: <20060814000250.98325.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:02:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060813110153.01aa6fb8@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1E3MQC.A.J-D.s273EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:02:53 +0000 (UTC) I understand Delta Airlines will refund you 50.00dlls right away for any small inconvenience damage(like soken underwear from a german beer exploded mini keg)which ive been through;-) this whole traveling hassle is making me think about building a small reliable traveling pedalboard looper rig and a decent guitar.Perhaps the limitations will create new and sophisticated ideas with for the deluxe looping rig. i feel slowly going back to basics.... Luis --- a k butler wrote: > > >id also like to mention that if you check equipment > >in, take a quick look at it when you claim your > >baggs,a couple of years ago i had a talk box effect > >opened,it arrived without screws and it seems like > one > >of my acoustic guitar internal pickups was > inspected > >as well since one of the cables inside was > dettatched! > >Luis > > yep, I had my guitar tuner pulled open for > inspection > ( and it wasn't designed to open ) > > If you spot the damage right away and report it, > it's possible to get compensation from the airline, > ..but absurdly limited to the weight of the item. > My acoustic guitar sustained a crack once, and > compensation was about £140, corresponding > to the maximum baggage weight allowed. ( though the > guitar weighed much less ) > > andy > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 00:52:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E1A3BEDA; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.914093 secs) Message-ID: <1097.65.95.243.141.1155516754.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Thursday! The PiNG's 7th Ann. w/ mara's torment, dreamSTATE, naw & Genereal Chaos Visuals From: scott@dreamstate.to To: ambient@hyperreal.org, DarkSeedsNews@yahoogroups.com, drone_deep_chill@yahoogroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 00:52:33 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG's 7th Anniversary Special featuring: mara's torment . dreamSTATE . naw . General Chaos Visuals This Thursday August 17th . Doors open 8PM . 1st set 8:30PM PayWhatYouCan at the door . $5 suggested Tranzac (Main Hall) . 292 Brunswick Ave. Toronto (just S. of Bloor and 3 blocks from either the Bathurst or Spadina stations) http://www.theambientping.com/maps/tranzac.gif . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Has it really been a year since Dread Pirate rik and Sovaak the Scurvy Sock Monkey of mara's torment took to the high seas in search of the mythic Jade Llama? Whoa, time sure does fly! In celebration of their return to the AMBiENT PiNG stage the pair have put together an eclectic collection of sea shanties and singalongs designed to celebrate both the excitement of their days at sea and the PiNG's Seventh Anniversary. Needless to say rik and Sovaak look forward to sharing a bill with both dreamSTATE and naw, and to reaquainting themselves with some old familiar faces. Yaaaarrrrr!!!! http://www.marastorment.com Electronic soundartists dreamSTATE celebrate the launch of "OM", their 3rd CD and their 1st live performance release, with (what else!) a fresh live performance. "OM" is an ambient soundscape journey recorded live at the OM Festival 2000 in Trudeau Park, Tweed, Ontario and in the spirit of that performance, dreamSTATE will create a freeranging soundflow to carry the audience off into an alternative mindspace. They're very happy that psychedelic lightlords General Chaos Visuals will be along for the trip! http://www.dreamSTATE.to naw is Neil Wiernik (co-curator of the online digital arts quarterly vagueterrain.net) and his sound is warm, atmospheric and cinematic - firmly grounded in both the rich traditions of dub studio culture and formal contemporary composition. 'The Wire' recently described it as having "the kind of sharpness and clarity usually lost amid the murk and decay of clicks and cuts and digital delays." Upon learning that the Tranzac has a high quality stereo PA, Neil has decided to perform the pieces he presented at his second show at Mutek this year - works originally arranged for immersive headphone listening. http://www.phoniq.net Look for the ping things table to get your fix of ambient, electronic, trip hop, dream pop and chill music until the next PiNG - or go online to: http://www.pingthings.com *ping things will be the exclusive source for dreamSTATE's new "OM" CD from August 18th until October. Visit the site now for an extensive "summer heat" sale on over 50 discs. Yep, they're craaaazy! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG periodically presents live performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, downtempo and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 02:09:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A65D3BED3; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060814000250.98325.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060814000250.98325.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09119FBE-3C50-48E4-8811-E400E11B22BA@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 19:09:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Server-Quench: eea3b412-2b39-11db-b770-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZeQQAe DQsWCyJDRAw5JxtD RxQEKB1+J10RWB5K d2pXKltcMEE0QVZe QzNJGEkABQEoDjsx dVkOMEtcZlU/GlJ1 UkhJREJSFw9oCBYC A1AcVgdwdxtEfHpu bU59XHVZWVt6Ox16 N0xdfDoOZWFgYWcc HkFacwcaJVYbfU1B a1JiViEOaHgGZy4y WgVsYGh0ZW0GcXQI TlpSclkbV3wGTHYb e1gpFD8uGwUPTio8 JhMrYlQVGg4RM1kp eV48QlMTMhYUEWVB X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:199/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:09:37 +0000 (UTC) well if i ever hit it bigtime, i'll buy a loopers-only plane (LoopAir? AeroLoop? LuftLoopa?). the gear will travel first class and have its own drinks. On Aug 13, 2006, at 5:02 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > I understand Delta Airlines will refund you 50.00dlls > right away for any small inconvenience damage(like > soken underwear from a german beer exploded mini > keg)which ive been through;-) > this whole traveling hassle is making me think about > building a small reliable traveling pedalboard looper > rig and a decent guitar.Perhaps the limitations will > create new and sophisticated ideas with for the deluxe > looping rig. > i feel slowly going back to basics.... > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 07:09:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1C313BEC7; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:09:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Mark the edp is sequenced by a clavia G2 (any sequencer will do) in wich I created the following pattern relating to 4 loops (moreloop:4) 4 plain hunt sequence : 1 2 3 4 ------- 2 1 4 3 2 4 1 3 4 2 3 1 4 3 2 1 3 4 1 2 3 1 4 2 1 3 2 4 1 2 3 4 the loops are switched by the sequencer and the music snippets reordered as you play along add to this: half/full speed and forward/reverse switching 1 clean, 2 half, 3 reverse, 4 half reverse. the panning is provided by the G2: the EDP audio out goes into the G2 where the panning occurs 1=L, 2=20%, 3=-20%, 4=R the icing of the cake is a dynamic feedback regulator wich lowers the feedback according to the input volume (G2 also) the feedback regulator avoids the loop beeing too full after a while and dynamic replace ala vortex. this must help have fun Claude PS: there is no video of all that :=) ----- Original Message ----- From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:48 AM Subject: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Claude Im facinated, can you explain the exact way you "sequence the edp) I myself have been doing something like this. Using a drummachine, that sends midi notes I program sequences of "virtual button presses" so I can do things like undo super fast (filling a pattern with undo commands) I then fill up a log loop with many cycles as poss, THEN loop devide back down and do the windowing thing... Ive also use the drummachine to chain other stuff like the half speed and also quite complex ones where I grab a new loop at the begining of the pattern, mult insert, reverse and.... snippity chop... Is this what you mean? or what... ? panned? are you using 2 EDPs? (gotta get me a second one) I understand Dennis' post, but what did YOU mean, when you say I use the 4 plain hunt sequence... us it how??? Spill the beans mate? Im facinated!! Mark mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com nono Rick My happy birthday LD song was done this way http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main with the help of an old Dennis Leas post about change ringing http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199901/msg00461.html I use the 4 plain hunt sequence with 4 loops/bells in delay mode panned L, 20%, -20%, R. the dry guitar is center. recorded as exactly as played (no multitrack or editing whatsoever) I still do a lot of experiments this way (sequenced EDP), 2 tunes in Zurich where done this way. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 07:23:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24303BEC5; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004501c6bf72$9e438580$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:24:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 07:23:47 +0000 (UTC) forgot loop/Delay =delay Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 08:06:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 603A03BECC; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002e01c6bf78$71a11280$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060814000250.98325.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <09119FBE-3C50-48E4-8811-E400E11B22BA@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:05:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:06:09 +0000 (UTC) I keep remembering that scene in "Hail! Hail! Rock n' Roll!" where Chuck Berry's talking to the camera while going through St Louis airport with his guitar-in-case: When asked how he could check his precious guitar, he says, "Business expense!" and smiles. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zoe Keating" To: Sent: Monday, 14 August, 2006 03:09 AM Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians > well if i ever hit it bigtime, i'll buy a loopers-only plane (LoopAir? > AeroLoop? LuftLoopa?). the gear will travel first class and have its own > drinks. > > On Aug 13, 2006, at 5:02 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> I understand Delta Airlines will refund you 50.00dlls >> right away for any small inconvenience damage(like >> soken underwear from a german beer exploded mini >> keg)which ive been through;-) >> this whole traveling hassle is making me think about >> building a small reliable traveling pedalboard looper >> rig and a decent guitar.Perhaps the limitations will >> create new and sophisticated ideas with for the deluxe >> looping rig. >> i feel slowly going back to basics.... >> Luis >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 10:17:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4850D3BEDB; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:17:20 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c6bf8a$d42b5700$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca/cJOWk7Q5DcvgRA6XvRxFN0BTtgAGgItw In-Reply-To: <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> Resent-Message-ID: <6k4qJB.A.-G.32E4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:17:28 +0000 (UTC) ah, great, now that I finally got my setup with Mobius in Live more or less working, you immediately got me working on some other crazy thing... > the edp is sequenced by a clavia G2 (any sequencer will do) > in wich I created the following pattern relating to 4 loops > (moreloop:4) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 10:21:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EF173BEDB; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E04EA2.4070300@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:21:22 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi looper ... anyone know one? References: <20060731153318.7BEDA3BF7A@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060731182554.01b7fdc8@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060731182554.01b7fdc8@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:21:27 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > The big problem is that every Note-On needs a corresponding Note-Off. I've done things like that in Max... means, its possible... but I doubt there is much of a market for a hardware box there... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 10:34:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7279D3BEDC; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b401c6bf8d$49a6a5f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:34:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3SmoWD.A.lp.OHF4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:34:54 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Claude, that is a really cool piece! I said what I did based on something you said to me in Lago Di Garda three years ago when I asked you about your EDP sequencing and you said that you were sick of that technique and getting more into acoustic playing with your looping. Silly me to run on information that is that old. I didn't realize that you had used it in Zurich (though I heard and really enjoyed your set) just because it is very difficult with EDP users to tell exactly what they are doing live............god, trying to figure out Andre LaFosse's command chain while watching live is a headache producer for sure. So, sorry about misrepresenting you, buddy. I also have a question: Does using the sequencer rope you into a predefined tempo when you play or can you use the EDP's midi ascertained BPM to drive the sequence chain? I've never used this technique but it seems like a really fascinating approach and I may dust off my old MMT-8 Alessis 8 track sequencer to try it out. thanks for the music..............sorry for the misrepresentation. cheers, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 11:31:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605E23BEDB; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c6bf95$29b2e4e0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <00b401c6bf8d$49a6a5f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:31:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <909k0C.A.1IC.J8F4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:31:21 +0000 (UTC) > Wow, Claude, that is a really cool piece! > > I said what I did based on something you said to me in Lago Di Garda > three years ago when I asked you about your EDP sequencing and > you said that you were sick of that technique and getting more into > acoustic playing with your looping. yes the pounding techno beat are gone and the next CD (this winter) will feature accoustic guitar playing not looping but I am still working on strange melodies sounds and processes (sounds more like Giacinto Scelsi than RF though...) > Silly me to run on information that is that old. I didn't realize that > you had used it > in Zurich (though I heard and really enjoyed your set) just because it is > very difficult with EDP users to tell exactly what they are doing > live............god, > trying to figure out Andre LaFosse's command chain while watching live is > a headache producer for sure. > > So, sorry about misrepresenting you, buddy. If I had to choose my audience I'll surely prefer the closed eyes one than the geeky giiiitarrr one :=) > I also have a question: Does using the sequencer rope you into a > predefined tempo > when you play or can you use the EDP's midi ascertained BPM to drive the > sequence > chain? my edp is sync OFF as the sequ retrigers continuously there is no need to sync. I can even change tempo: if I go slower you may get into the loop playin 1 and some before the next fires. if I go faster it just reads a part of the loop time > I've never used this technique but it seems like a really fascinating > approach and I may > dust off my old MMT-8 Alessis 8 track sequencer to try it out. > > thanks for the music..............sorry for the misrepresentation. > > cheers, Rick > hava nice day Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 11:52:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9123BED9; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 04:52:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:52:07 +0000 (UTC) I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second looping project and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting edge music I hear there. I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how they put their particular piece together. I record a lot of my live improvisational shows and for the last seven years I have only improvised live and not done any compositions (though I revisit sets of instruments and will have set scales/modes/rags/maqams and rhythms that I'm in love with for a while). Frequently, I'll go back to those shows and hunt down loops that I do want to use in my abstract electronica CDs (I have a tendency to alternate composed, computer driven abstract electronica recordings with live looping recordings). I did the same with this particular piece, throwing it into ACID to manipulate the loops I 'sampled' from my self. Anyway, this particular track was from a one off theme show that I did (I love to do theme oriented shows just once or twice) called 'Weird Kalimba" where, for the first time since the turn of the millennium I used only traditional West African, North African and Middleeastern instruments and did a very avant garde show with them. On this piece I used just West African rattles (several different kinds from bamboo rattles to seed pod gourds to even a South African set of rattles made out of the husks of Moth chrysalises). I then used the Echoplex with INERT equaling SUBSTITUTE (one of my favorite techniques) and rounded to 8th notes so that singing long tones in a particular scale the EDP would grab individual 8th note values of long tones I was singing, randomly. I love to play this game randomly because the piece starts sound really weird and without form and the more you play the game, the more all 8 notes (or however many you choose) will fill up. By singing in falsetto, I can effect a loop that sounds as if the Pygmies of the Ituri Forest had accidentally drunk some on LSD spiked punch. The 'melody' is just me using a couple of different extended vocal techniques (warble singing and trill singing) along with a couple of interesting technique where 1) I pound rhythmically on my chest with my fist which causes very quick comb filtering effects to change the timbre of my voice as I also manipulate the overtones of my falsetto notes and 2) where is grab the loose skin just above my adams apple and shake it rhythmical which causes a very interesting modulation effect on the voice. both of these techniques look really strange (as it does when I play my Filipino nose flute or manipulate the overtones of my horribly phallic looking toy voice changer) and the audience will sometimes laugh when I do this but I think it produces really cool vocal effects. yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 13:51:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01A73BED9; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OHvPbeeSgzii6NzGRZEn6ReLQsfo4oyi0QyX74L5XD0w0C/lMQnzR1cjPp9S6C82QkBGSr8MZcneyU3LgtPRKUZYNs2MchuLY/nbTMIKl+kfvwjyK3DyQ6yiB0b0yTuSVkLBrt9MlvF4QSmAYrSfKtGnvYhQLp+S1RrjKV6o7/w= ; Message-ID: <20060814135103.65884.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 06:51:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c6bf8a$d42b5700$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rainer... What do you mean by "more or less?" I've been using Mobius within Live 5 and it seems glitch free so far. Truth be told I'm not trying anything earth shattering but it seems to work like a charm. --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > ah, great, now that I finally got my setup with > Mobius in Live more or less > working, you immediately got me working on some > other crazy thing... > > > the edp is sequenced by a clavia G2 (any sequencer > will do) > > in wich I created the following pattern relating > to 4 loops > > (moreloop:4) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 14:11:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D9A43BEE0; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:07:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 12, 2006 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44E083B8.40903@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Neil Goldstein wrote: > Didn't see this is broadcast to Loopers Delight. I just wanted to > unsubscribe to the radio playlist spam. > > On 8/13/06, *Neil Goldstein* > wrote: > > Unsubscribe me please. > > On 8/13/06, *Bill Fox* > wrote: > > http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html > > > I host the Saturday AM/FM Show... > I'm afraid that posting my playlists to LD is valid and accepted by the list owner. Just like anything else sent to LD, all members see it. I cannot select any particular member to see or not see it. You'll just have to set up a filter. For people like you, I use a standardized Subject: to allow easy filtering that grabs only my playlists and, hopefully, nothing important. Just filter for: "The AM/FM Show Playlist for" or "Afterglow Playlist for" and you should be OK. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 14:14:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6BC3BEE6; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:14:38 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> In-Reply-To: <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040807060903030406040205" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-0, 08/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:14:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040807060903030406040205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "PS: there is no video of all that" Well there should be! I'd love to see it as I can't quite wrap my brain around it just yet... --Josh Claude Voit wrote: > Mark > > the edp is sequenced by a clavia G2 (any sequencer will do) in wich I > created the following pattern relating to 4 loops (moreloop:4) > > 4 plain hunt sequence : > 1 2 3 4 > ------- > 2 1 4 3 > 2 4 1 3 > 4 2 3 1 > 4 3 2 1 > 3 4 1 2 > 3 1 4 2 > 1 3 2 4 > 1 2 3 4 > > the loops are switched by the sequencer and the music snippets > reordered as you play along > add to this: half/full speed and forward/reverse switching 1 clean, 2 > half, 3 reverse, 4 half reverse. > the panning is provided by the G2: the EDP audio out goes into the G2 > where the panning occurs 1=L, 2=20%, 3=-20%, 4=R > the icing of the cake is a dynamic feedback regulator wich lowers the > feedback according to the input volume (G2 also) > the feedback regulator avoids the loop beeing too full after a while > and dynamic replace ala vortex. > > this must help > > have fun > > Claude > > PS: there is no video of all that > :=) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "markfrancombe.com" > > To: > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:48 AM > Subject: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) > > > Claude Im facinated, can you explain the exact way you "sequence the > edp) I > myself have been doing something like this. Using a drummachine, that > sends > midi notes I program sequences of "virtual button presses" so I can do > things like undo super fast (filling a pattern with undo commands) I then > fill up a log loop with many cycles as poss, THEN loop devide back > down and > do the windowing thing... Ive also use the drummachine to chain other > stuff > like the half speed and also quite complex ones where I grab a new > loop at > the begining of the pattern, mult insert, reverse and.... snippity > chop... > > Is this what you mean? or what... ? panned? are you using 2 EDPs? > (gotta get > me a second one) I understand Dennis' post, but what did YOU mean, > when you > say I use the 4 plain hunt sequence... us it how??? > > Spill the beans mate? Im facinated!! > > > Mark > > mark francombe > marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for > www.furthernoise.org > and works at www.transformlearning.com > > > nono Rick > My happy birthday LD song was done this way > http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main > with the help of an old Dennis Leas post about change ringing > http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199901/msg00461.html > I use the 4 plain hunt sequence with 4 loops/bells in delay mode > panned L, 20%, -20%, R. the dry guitar is center. > recorded as exactly as played (no multitrack or editing whatsoever) > > I still do a lot of experiments this way (sequenced EDP), 2 tunes in > Zurich > where done this way. > > > > > > > --------------040807060903030406040205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS: there is no video of all that

Well there should be!  I'd love to see it as I can't quite wrap my brain around it just yet...

--Josh


Claude Voit wrote:
Mark

the edp is sequenced by a clavia G2 (any sequencer will do) in wich I created the following pattern relating to 4 loops (moreloop:4)

4 plain hunt sequence :
1 2 3 4
-------
2 1 4 3
2 4 1 3
4 2 3 1
4 3 2 1
3 4 1 2
3 1 4 2
1 3 2 4
1 2 3 4

the loops are switched by the sequencer and the music snippets reordered as you play along
add to this: half/full speed  and forward/reverse switching 1 clean, 2 half, 3 reverse, 4 half reverse.
the panning is provided by the G2: the EDP audio out goes into the G2 where the panning occurs 1=L, 2=20%, 3=-20%, 4=R
the icing of the cake is a dynamic feedback regulator wich lowers the feedback according to the input volume (G2 also)
the feedback regulator avoids the loop beeing too full after a while and dynamic replace ala vortex.

this must help

have fun

Claude

PS: there is no video of all that
:=)




----- Original Message ----- From: "markfrancombe.com" <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 12:48 AM
Subject: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance)


Claude Im facinated, can you explain the exact way you "sequence the edp) I
myself have been doing something like this. Using a drummachine, that sends
midi notes I program sequences of "virtual button presses" so I can do
things like undo super fast (filling a pattern with undo commands) I then
fill up a log loop with many cycles as poss, THEN loop devide back down and
do the windowing thing...  Ive also use the drummachine to chain other stuff
like the half speed and also quite complex ones where I grab a new loop at
the begining of the pattern, mult insert, reverse and.... snippity chop...

Is this what you mean? or what... ? panned? are you using 2 EDPs? (gotta get
me a second one) I understand Dennis' post, but what did YOU mean, when you
say I use the 4 plain hunt sequence... us it how???

Spill the beans mate? Im facinated!!


Mark

mark francombe
marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org
and works at www.transformlearning.com


nono Rick
My happy birthday LD song was done this way
http://www.box.net/public/i8mm09190d#main
with the help of an old Dennis Leas post about change ringing
http://www.loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/199901/msg00461.html
I use the 4 plain hunt sequence with 4 loops/bells in delay mode
panned L, 20%, -20%, R.   the dry guitar is center.
recorded as exactly as played (no multitrack or editing whatsoever)

I still do a lot of experiments this way (sequenced EDP), 2 tunes in Zurich
where done this way.







--------------040807060903030406040205-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 14:51:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA03B3BEDC; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E08DF0.5050806@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 09:51:28 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: latency discussions References: <000001c6bf2c$53d2ada0$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000001c6bf2c$53d2ada0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, thanks for writing this, fascinating! Cleared up a lot of misconceptions for me. I've always heard about latency in computer setups and how to accommodate for it (and actually, I thought I remembered hearing that manufacturers would publish latencies), and it's interesting to see how to reduce or nearly eliminate it. I'd be very curious in knowing the latencies of various popular hardware effects boxes - the Pod, Fireworx, Vortex, (hell, the EDP), DD20, etc - just to get a sense of what we've become used to in that regard. I'd also like to know some of the specifics of some VST plugins, and also, how much you have to stack up effects before the latency becomes apparent, 20-30 ms or so. great work! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I wrote a little bit about this latency thing...you can find it at > http://www.moinlabs.de/e_lat.htm, comments welcome! > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 14:52:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9543BEDF; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Mobius and Live (was "questions to Claude") Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:52:39 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c6bfb1$4a5ea0f0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060814135103.65884.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thread-index: Aca/qLBOodHIameJS8iWq9ypDD4dOAAB7BUg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:52:42 +0000 (UTC) I have problems syncing in both directions, so to speak. Meaning: When I use Live as the sync master and Mobius as the slave (setting sync = to host beat or host bar), sometimes the loop retriggers on a beat other = than the one it is supposed to. Mobius god Per has reported something similar = on the Mobius group, but for him some hideous trick (like setting 8ths per cycle first to one, then recording a short loop, settings 8ths per cycle = to 8 and then recording a new loop) worked around this. Jeff promised to = have a look at this... When using Mobius as the sync master and Live as the slave (by setting = sync to out, defining MIDI yoke as a MIDI output in Mobius and then syncing = Live to that virtual MIDI port), the loop will always "stutter" at its = beginning (except for the first time running through). I believe this to be caused by the fact that Mobius does not handle the rounding of the determined bpm properly; also, Jeff has promised to look = at it. I'm still hoping it will work until Y2K6loopfest, especially the latter = one, because I'd really enjoy syncing Live to Mobius. When > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 > Gesendet: Montag, 14. August 2006 15:51 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) >=20 > Hey Rainer... >=20 > What do you mean by "more or less?" I've been using Mobius=20 > within Live 5 and it seems glitch free so far.=20 > Truth be told I'm not trying anything earth shattering but it=20 > seems to work like a charm. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 15:04:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97D0A3BEE7; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--980642855 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Plain Hunt Sequence (Was: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance)) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:01:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:04:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--980642855 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi, This pattern reminds me of traditional English church bell ringing patterns that I was reading about recently. How fascinating! Even as I read about it it never occurred to me that it could be useful in looping. Heheheh. Best regards, Ted Killian On Aug 14, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Joshua Carroll wrote: > 4 plain hunt sequence : > 1 2 3 4 > ------- > 2 1 4 3 > 2 4 1 3 > 4 2 3 1 > 4 3 2 1 > 3 4 1 2 > 3 1 4 2 > 1 3 2 4 > 1 2 3 4 --Apple-Mail-2--980642855 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi, This pattern reminds me of traditional English church bell ringing patterns that I was reading about recently. How fascinating! Even as I read about it it never occurred to me that it could be useful in looping. Heheheh. Best regards, Ted Killian On Aug 14, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Joshua Carroll wrote: 0000,0000,DDDD 4 plain hunt sequence : 0000,0000,DDDD 1 2 3 4 0000,0000,DDDD ------- 0000,0000,DDDD 2 1 4 3 0000,0000,DDDD 2 4 1 3 0000,0000,DDDD 4 2 3 1 0000,0000,DDDD 4 3 2 1 0000,0000,DDDD 3 4 1 2 0000,0000,DDDD 3 1 4 2 0000,0000,DDDD 1 3 2 4 0000,0000,DDDD 1 2 3 4 --Apple-Mail-2--980642855-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 15:10:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AFA13BEEE; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAALAu4ESBUYlGAwwHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060814160828.01b8ce80@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:10:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Plain Hunt Sequence (Was: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance)) In-Reply-To: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:10:02 +0000 (UTC) At 16:01 14/08/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >This pattern reminds me of traditional English church bell ringing patterns >that I was reading about recently. How fascinating! Even as I read about it >it never occurred to me that it could be useful in looping. Heheheh. > >Best regards, > >Ted Killian yep, that's Plain Bob Minimum. andy butler (from Norwich, where the bells ring like that since the 16th Century) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 15:49:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0145B3BED2; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WrvBAAe6lhLRYGeOdkKKGM9dEbeqRZ4lM1TpAMnXlzxBYcNycri4wkWlu4qaXbVae+uBVUTQuIAvJA3beLVF6CGxC+t3UztxJk84dN6SJzDL6kqD5xaGafHHVSN5q5iNZ9i+Wn5SyVzJ9arqMsvw9JJ/c4D/2z2rcGCmnlOF0Y0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44E08DF0.5050806@mhorse.com> References: <000001c6bf2c$53d2ada0$0101a8c0@succubus> <44E08DF0.5050806@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <33D9043F-980B-48E2-86D3-71C329836E1D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: latency discussions Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:49:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:49:58 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2006, at 16.51, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I'd be very curious in knowing the latencies of various popular > hardware effects boxes - the Pod, Fireworx, Vortex, (hell, the EDP), I'm not taking time off to perform clinic tests, measuring milliseconds etc, but according to my ears the my Pod (line-6 model 1) is pretty bad (much slower than a tube amp, kind of "tube amp plus two, three meters distance). The Fireworx is no recognizable latency at all, and that excellent feel goes for the EDP as well. That were the devices I own and use here. Can't tell about the Vortex. A final word on the TC Electronic FirewoX: If you program patches that make use of an external output/insert loop the latency involved makes it totally useless. Good to know for anyone that plans to get one because of that feature. This built-in insert option works like this: If you use the analog in/ out-puts you are free to create patches with "virtual send/receive jack" blocks that use the digital in/out-puts. Vice versa if you are using the digital in/out-puts; then you can program insert loops for the analog in/out-puts. But, as stated, the audio is way too much delayed when sent out to the connected gear and it comes back way too late, creating a kind of slap delay effect. On the other hand, playing into the Fireworx though the analog input directly results in perfectly synced audio going out the analog and digital ports, with no appeared latency at all. With my recent looping rig I play into the Fireworx and use a digital ADAT optical cable to bring the audio into the laptop digitally. That trick increases the experienced audio fidelity a lot, compared to having the audio go D/A from the Fireworx and then another A/D upon arrival into the laptop. I have also hooked up the Fireworx digitally in both directions to Logic and used it as a "virtual software plugin". No latency experienced then either. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 16:07:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120EB3BEEA; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sTOqPNo7tCuPgbuYbksNPHBAakDnKiE2SF2i2UADcQK8vc6tc+Asth0FJj+BLhOImnGiZD0/DyS6Fcz7e9MZgbzjIffkZDvIGSp4HQykKHfIwbMXew9edfCdY0IhphpyAVe8lIryEd8/Q4iW4N96A03S23QtB8GmjYB9Bf7VgXI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000301c6bfb1$4a5ea0f0$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000301c6bfb1$4a5ea0f0$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3CB33BCC-2516-4265-A06E-163E42AF26C4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius and Live (was "questions to Claude") Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:07:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:07:13 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2006, at 16.52, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Mobius god Per has reported something similar on > the Mobius group, but for him some hideous trick (like setting 8ths > per > cycle first to one, then recording a short loop, settings 8ths per > cycle to > 8 and then recording a new loop) worked around this. Not quite correct. I was actually able to get rid of that stuttering by only using the setting "8ths Per Cycle = 16". I now use a different approach and never experience stuttering. I always set the Switch Quantize to "cycle", Quantize Mode to "Subcycle" and use different 8ths Per Cycle settings depending on which timing measure I'm playing in (16 for 4/4, 10 for 5/4, 12 for 6/8 and 14 for 7/8). I noticed that some of these non-4/4 timings give that stuttering, but it only happens to Track one: the "Sync Master Track". So I work around that issue by using, for my "first loop", a script that when going out of recording mode mutes the track and copies the loop to the next track and also selects that track. So whatever bad stuttering will happen on that old Sync Master Track no one's gonna hear it. I like this concept a lot, because as a free gift it gives you a back- up of the global tempo. This means you are free to trash the sync timing as much as you want on all tracks, doing un-quantized cuts, re- tunings and bizarre stuff. You can always get back to the initially correct "first loop" length by simply selecting the muted first track and then selecting an empty track (I use this pref setting; create a new one cycle empty loop when selecting a track in Reset Mode.... or whatever that's called). This all, above, is written according to the standalone version of Mobius. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 16:27:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 580223BEDA; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:27:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:27:31 +0000 (UTC) > "PS: there is no video of all that" > > Well there should be! I'd love to see it as I can't quite wrap my brain > around it just yet... > > --Josh > why would I waste my time doing that ? If you cannot grasp it like that : youre not there yet and a video wont change much keep working at it. There is no fast goal only a genuine path. Claude Yes the above PS was a provocation towards "fast looper" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 16:42:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02DC63BED9; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E0A7E7.1050405@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:42:15 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> In-Reply-To: <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-0, 08/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Oh for sure I'm not there. No arguments there! I'm just starting out, and I know have a ton to learn. I'd just like to see it in action, honestly. I love the videos that are out of Zoe, Krispen, Arthur Lee, Kid Beyond, etc. because I get to somewhat experience the performance and I get inspired to try all sorts of new stuff! --Josh Claude Voit wrote: > > > >> "PS: there is no video of all that" >> >> Well there should be! I'd love to see it as I can't quite wrap my brain >> around it just yet... >> >> --Josh >> > > why would I waste my time doing that ? If you cannot grasp it like > that : youre not there yet > and a video wont change much > > keep working at it. There is no fast goal only a genuine path. > > Claude > > Yes the above PS was a provocation towards "fast looper" > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:09:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A83D3BECC; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:09:30 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c6bfc4$681e76c0$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca/mBJSPklATFKcTGe4azk01J7AZAAK1tbQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for this suggestion, Rick...now here goes: As some of you may know, I did not do any written compositions ever since the turn of the century...so this is, as all my stuff since then, more or less improvised (more or less means: for some of the stuff, I used some patches of a groove box, but not here, and not anymore). It's from part ii of my Ninjam session with Tony K, of which Tony has already posted the first part here: http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RainerAndTony.mp3 So why didn't he post the second part as well? Sometime in the mid of the performance, I experienced some problems with tracks dropping out and returning. This is usually a result of high CPU load or network load on either end. So I went and configured around a little on my side, looking to get rid of the problem. When I did, I decided to do some a capella stuff (I guess this is even the first recorded a capella performance of mine). So what can you do with vocals, MadShifta, OhmBoyz Delay and Mobius? See my clip. This is a loop cut out from about ten minutes of performance, after which I started to wonder why Tony didn't play anything. Turned out that I had deactivated his stream on my side during my troubleshooting. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 17:59:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5910D3BED3; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E0BA09.5080107@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:59:37 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070005070104000300020907" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:59:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070005070104000300020907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm /very /partial to acapella vocal looping stuff, I love what I hear from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and Rainer in the collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen Heap have done in this direction, if anyone has recommendations (your own music included) I'd love to hear them. It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a page. Krispen, could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD, Kim? About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is the normal length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second cassettes. I did four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through a Studio Projects tube mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two tracks are clean, two are fuzz (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting with the speed control, which shoots the tracks up an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm partial to. Overall, the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of the other tracks, but that's part of what I like about the medium. Two weeks left! C'mon, more submissions! We should aim for 100 loops. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second > looping project > and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting > edge music > I hear there. > > I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how > they put their > particular piece together. --------------070005070104000300020907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm very partial to acapella vocal looping stuff, I love what I hear from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and Rainer in the collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen Heap have done in this direction, if anyone has recommendations (your own music included) I'd love to hear them.

It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a page. Krispen, could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD, Kim?

About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is the normal length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second cassettes. I did four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through a Studio Projects tube mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two tracks are clean, two are fuzz (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting with the speed control, which shoots the tracks up an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm partial to. Overall, the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of the other tracks, but that's part of what I like about the medium.

Two weeks left! C'mon, more submissions! We should aim for 100 loops.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second looping project
and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting edge music
I hear there.

I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how they put their
particular piece together.

--------------070005070104000300020907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 18:56:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E23143BED8; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E0C741.20101@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:56:01 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) / live-looping podcast possibilty References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> In-Reply-To: <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-0, 08/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:56:10 +0000 (UTC) As a quick note to Claude: > Yes the above PS was a provocation towards "fast looper" I guess I missed that vibe... I don't always pick on sarcasm so well, especially in e-mail. Just for the record, my statement was not meant as some sort of retaliation, but as admiration and awe. I certainly didn't feel provoked in anyway. I may never have the chance to see you perform live, and I'd love the opportunity to catch a glimpse via video if you were to ever record something, and I'd love to see how you perform with this particular technique. I just understood your PS as a statement of fact, and so my response was meant to be a compliment to show respect for implementing such a creative idea. No offense inteded, and I hope you understand that I'm not looking for some quick-fix method of looping. I know it's a long learning process that I fully intend to venture. I've certainly enjoyed and appreciated the benefit of gleaning from more experienced loopers like yourself on this list. ------------------------------------------------- Moving on, as a web-technology nut, I'd like to offer to help promote the live looping experience at large by setting up a podcast that any live-looping artist could post to. The idea just occurred to me today as I was enjoying all the 30 second snippets that have been contributed to the LD 10th Anniversary collection (and feeling a bit foolish to be included in such a collaboration!). I haven't worked out all the details or written the code, but my initial idea is this: I could set up a web form where live-looping artists of any genre from all over the world could upload an mp3 or video clip (would need to be mp4, but I could perhaps perform the conversion from other file types) and submit it along with the appropriate information (creator, title, link to looper's website, brief description, etc.). After verifying that the file isn't corrupted or infected and the content is relevant to live-looping, I would publish the item into a collective podcast that could be registered with iTunes, etc. I would host the files myself. I know that if such a podcast existed, I would thoroughly enjoy it. However, I'm not married to the idea if you guys think it's stupid. What do you think? --Josh Claude Voit wrote: > > > >> "PS: there is no video of all that" >> >> Well there should be! I'd love to see it as I can't quite wrap my brain >> around it just yet... >> >> --Josh >> > > why would I waste my time doing that ? If you cannot grasp it like > that : youre not there yet > and a video wont change much > > keep working at it. There is no fast goal only a genuine path. > > Claude > > Yes the above PS was a provocation towards "fast looper" > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 19:00:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 842363BECD; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=X9N3vYTxTWjzHOkFwdAjSMRcyS6XNupiZ1koFBA4bf6vbiGhlN1pMREJmd8wEWOfaPA4Csj/lwFBTkKbmF1OjaHiRS9gF7uIA4iZLqb6/EwZV6G4MG9BBmUkjT2k/H3mSNxWtdmVfAlP11fArrJMQBfwIeVtlE2Q9/Hauk7o2Uw= In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <37ADFCDC-3937-4361-BC22-EEC4DC392619@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:00:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:00:18 +0000 (UTC) On 14 aug 2006, at 13.52, loop.pool wrote: > everyone to explain how they put their > particular piece together. Tenor sax (Otto Link 9-star) analogically into FireworX digitally into Mobius/Laptop (Mobius standalone version, no VST plug-ins, basically only looping). Creating three loops to jump between while melody phrasing. Typically II: Tonica, Tonica, Subdominant, Dominant. Subdominant, Dominant :II A lot of "add9" coloring of chord voicing. When looping in this context it really is "backwards mixing" since all the stuff you traditionally do when finally mixing your tracks - like EQ'ing, coloring with effects etc to blend them - all of this I do directly as I play, sort of "as part of the instrument". The tool for that is some 25 patches in the FireworX that I have created for layering stuff in a way that they should all sound ok together, as a summed mix of loops/layers. As an example I have very few sounds with a "full timbre", simply because then I would not be able to loop in the essence of layering sound. The colliding frequencies would make the musical counter lines hard to follow. Another concept for "instant orchestration" in looping would be to bring dozens of instruments and swap between them while layering loops. But instead I have chosen to use fewer instruments and work on the sound for alternative expression. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 19:20:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBD133BED6; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E0CCE1.2010201@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:20:01 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live-looping podcast possibilty References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> <44E0C741.20101@infinivert.com> In-Reply-To: <44E0C741.20101@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Yeah! I think it'd be a great resource, especially videos of people doing their thing. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Moving on, as a web-technology nut, I'd like to offer to help promote > the live looping experience at large by setting up a podcast that any > live-looping artist could post to. The idea just occurred to me today > as I was enjoying all the 30 second snippets that have been > contributed to the LD 10th Anniversary collection (and feeling a bit > foolish to be included in such a collaboration!). I haven't worked > out all the details or written the code, but my initial idea is this: > I could set up a web form where live-looping artists of any genre from > all over the world could upload an mp3 or video clip (would need to be > mp4, but I could perhaps perform the conversion from other file types) > and submit it along with the appropriate information (creator, title, > link to looper's website, brief description, etc.). After verifying > that the file isn't corrupted or infected and the content is relevant > to live-looping, I would publish the item into a collective podcast > that could be registered with iTunes, etc. I would host the files > myself. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 19:21:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85003BECD; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f301c6bfd6$cfbcc7c0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <44E0BA09.5080107@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:21:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C6BFA4.8413F500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <10eaoD.A.KfB.v0M4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:21:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C6BFA4.8413F500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure, I can post the descriptions of each clip....I guess I need to make = a sumission myself too! I am behind. Here is the running list of submission now. I just had my little elves = throw theh page together: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm Go ahead and send me your descriptions now. I go yours, Per. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune I'm very partial to acapella vocal looping stuff, I love what I hear = from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and Rainer in the = collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen Heap have done in = this direction, if anyone has recommendations (your own music included) = I'd love to hear them. It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a page. Krispen, = could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD, Kim? About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is the normal = length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second cassettes. I did = four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through a Studio Projects tube = mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two tracks are clean, two are fuzz = (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting with the speed control, = which shoots the tracks up an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm = partial to. Overall, the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of = the other tracks, but that's part of what I like about the medium. Two weeks left! C'mon, more submissions! We should aim for 100 loops. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second = looping project=20 and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting = edge music=20 I hear there.=20 I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how = they put their=20 particular piece together.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C6BFA4.8413F500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sure, I can post the descriptions of = each clip....I=20 guess I need to make a sumission myself too! I am behind.
 
Here is the running list of submission = now. I just=20 had my little elves throw theh page together: http://ww= w.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm
 
Go ahead and send me your descriptions = now. I go=20 yours, Per.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 = 11:59=20 AM
Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th=20 Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune

I'm very partial to acapella vocal looping = stuff, I love=20 what I hear from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and = Rainer in=20 the collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen Heap have done = in this=20 direction, if anyone has recommendations (your own music included) I'd = love to=20 hear them.

It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a = page.=20 Krispen, could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD,=20 Kim?

About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is = the=20 normal length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second cassettes. = I did=20 four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through a Studio Projects = tube mic=20 pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two tracks are clean, two are fuzz = (Effector13=20 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting with the speed control, which = shoots the=20 tracks up an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm partial to. = Overall,=20 the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of the other tracks, but = that's=20 part of what I like about the medium.

Two weeks left! C'mon, = more=20 submissions! We should aim for 100 loops.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


I=20 just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second = looping=20 project
and was really blown away at all the really interesting = and=20 cutting edge music
I hear there.

I thought it would be = very=20 educational for everyone to explain how they put their =
particular piece=20 together.

------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C6BFA4.8413F500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 19:50:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BEEE3BECF; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E0D400.6010300@infinivert.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:50:24 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <44E0BA09.5080107@mhorse.com> <00f301c6bfd6$cfbcc7c0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00f301c6bfd6$cfbcc7c0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040806010509050003020903" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-0, 08/14/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:50:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040806010509050003020903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well it's hardly worth mentioning, but for the sake of posterity: Mine is likely the simplest recording in this collection, and I feel a little silly even having it included. This was my very first day of successful live-looping. I ran my Takamine acoustic guitar and old BOSS drum machine (played with my fingers, not sequenced) through an Alesis Studio24 mixer directly into the line-in on my laptop's internal sound card and looped using basic overdub on one track in Mobius. That's about as simple as it gets! --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > Sure, I can post the descriptions of each clip....I guess I need to > make a sumission myself too! I am behind. > > Here is the running list of submission now. I just had my little elves > throw theh page together: > http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm > > Go ahead and send me your descriptions now. I go yours, Per. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Daryl Shawn > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Monday, August 14, 2006 11:59 AM > *Subject:* Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune > > I'm /very /partial to acapella vocal looping stuff, I love what I > hear from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and > Rainer in the collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen > Heap have done in this direction, if anyone has recommendations > (your own music included) I'd love to hear them. > > It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a page. Krispen, > could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD, Kim? > > About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is the > normal length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second > cassettes. I did four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through > a Studio Projects tube mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two > tracks are clean, two are fuzz (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of > pitch-shifting with the speed control, which shoots the tracks up > an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm partial to. Overall, > the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of the other tracks, > but that's part of what I like about the medium. > > Two weeks left! C'mon, more submissions! We should aim for 100 loops. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > >> I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second >> looping project >> and was really blown away at all the really interesting and >> cutting edge music >> I hear there. >> >> I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain >> how they put their >> particular piece together. > --------------040806010509050003020903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well it's hardly worth mentioning, but for the sake of posterity:

Mine is likely the simplest recording in this collection, and I feel a little silly even having it included.  This was my very first day of successful live-looping.  I ran my Takamine acoustic guitar and old BOSS drum machine (played with my fingers, not sequenced) through an Alesis Studio24 mixer directly into the line-in on my laptop's internal sound card and looped using basic overdub on one track in Mobius.  That's about as simple as it gets!

--Josh



Krispen Hartung wrote:
Sure, I can post the descriptions of each clip....I guess I need to make a sumission myself too! I am behind.
 
Here is the running list of submission now. I just had my little elves throw theh page together: http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm
 
Go ahead and send me your descriptions now. I go yours, Per.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune

I'm very partial to acapella vocal looping stuff, I love what I hear from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and Rainer in the collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen Heap have done in this direction, if anyone has recommendations (your own music included) I'd love to hear them.

It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a page. Krispen, could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD, Kim?

About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is the normal length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second cassettes. I did four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through a Studio Projects tube mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two tracks are clean, two are fuzz (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting with the speed control, which shoots the tracks up an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm partial to. Overall, the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of the other tracks, but that's part of what I like about the medium.

Two weeks left! C'mon, more submissions! We should aim for 100 loops.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second looping project
and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting edge music
I hear there.

I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how they put their
particular piece together.

--------------040806010509050003020903-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 20:17:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CF8C3BEE6; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <44E083B8.40903@soundscapes.us> References: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> <44E083B8.40903@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:15:47 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 12, 2006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:17:21 +0000 (UTC) Yes! Please, whoever has hijacked all of our e-mail adresses STOP THE SPAM! >Neil Goldstein wrote: > >>Didn't see this is broadcast to Loopers Delight. I just wanted to >>unsubscribe to the radio playlist spam. >> >>On 8/13/06, *Neil Goldstein* >> wrote: >> >> Unsubscribe me please. >> >> On 8/13/06, *Bill Fox* > > wrote: >> >> http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html >> >> >> I host the Saturday AM/FM Show... >> >I'm afraid that posting my playlists to LD is valid and accepted by >the list owner. Just like anything else sent to LD, all members see >it. I cannot select any particular member to see or not see it. >You'll just have to set up a filter. For people like you, I use a >standardized Subject: to allow easy filtering that grabs only my >playlists and, hopefully, nothing important. Just filter for: >"The AM/FM Show Playlist for" >or >"Afterglow Playlist for" >and you should be OK. > >Cheers, > >Bill -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 20:28:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 773AB3BEE9; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:28:14 +0000 (UTC) "30 sec from Improv in Dm #37" My submission is from one in a series of meditations done either solo or with other players, most of whom have no experience looping other then what I impose on them. Some pieces are based on pre-programmed triggered MIDI loops from either a workstation keyboard (K2000) or Ableton Live with little on no live looping. Others, like this one, are fully spontaneous. In this instance, I developed a rhythmic 'drone' pad on the Repeater using voice and hand sounds and several passes of processed guitar (VG-88 v.2). The other players ad-libbed over this bed. My function was to establish and maintain a musical environment and leave room for them to dialogue. Open mics captured the room ambience which can be heard in the background. The result can be surprising; from fully chaotic to unexpectedly splendid. The entire piece developed slowly over 11 minutes; all in all, rather short. I hope you enjoy it. Dan Montgomery www.music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor ============ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/416 - Release Date: 8/10/2006 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 20:35:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962B93BEEA; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n37w0kASaczZI4ERNmpp8Rc2y6vZqr2x2guAZaiW6xDD465cSn4AKBFjvx/FJKcXhXp4i/gQp5kG0oesn8LOEOy66g3aBKvJe+jnR6bHwnFVpT7aGvaoh08BepJMl6AXPgdS7XZHlW5lStPe3rqFGQihd4xvnKeH7F6Z17uoIQ4= ; Message-ID: <20060814203538.17412.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:35:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: My first busking gig with laptop, Roland Microcube and MIDI Mouse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f701c6be72$4ff6ee90$59b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:35:39 +0000 (UTC) My guess would be that the Microcube is expecting an instrument/guitar level (weak) signal to it's main input. The aux in is looking for a line level. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Wow, what a big difference. So > if any of you plan to > busk with a Microcube, and a laptop or a bunch of > gear that pre-processes > your tone the way you like it and ready to feed to a > mixer, try using the > Aux of of the MicroCube....made a hell of a > difference. This should have > occured to me before...that I'm already producing a > great sound out of my > laptop, so I don't need all the amp simulation and > EQ of the Microcube. > > Kris > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 21:18:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A913BED3; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ep73cUuSxVUq2V2vlszMTApej+h7pFr12HY+DN3LrIrqS4bDBu1ay12FvMuq5UJAb8z1pt2hvqfZ1UkRhvrJOciAGtMrpStby3YyXTS3IPsEtnNnFhuPI/16GjN+ThMlgP8TtrHmTN/GhjdZ18Iu4Gu5v5/0QjRJM38bECFyyCc= Message-ID: <913728d60608141418q118631daw63c3f05ed0d02d62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:18:11 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:18:13 +0000 (UTC) i guess i don't have much to say about mine, its just one of my ambient pieces that i chopped 30 seconds out of, the setup was guitar->toneport->gearbox->garageband and the same with bass :) the song is based on a Spanish classical guitar piece titled "El Noi de la Mare" that i have been playing incorrectly ever since i first tryed playing it...mainly because i have never heard the song before :) I thought it sounded better this way :) Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 21:19:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36F6C3BEE4; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ea48C/I21zRE7m5V1aGHaJicx4sROoWVywCtFf8zBezJ0mK3jLo2C7wN7g2dlG+qVmfxdpHVyxDLcDUjFinJ8Doe5Kbyt4XtYoBr8kLWqWqpVv3R/wJVADRjcdJAWyIXC8WHjw+v1GMIYX8cXsDxx3GD8Nif3brMW/89pk5v3KY= ; Message-ID: <20060814211912.35692.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm, I'm not sure exactly WHAT I did. Usually I use a fairly elaborate pedalboard/rack rig, but there was a period of about a year and a half ending about 4 or 5 months ago where I'd completely torn my rig apart. My public performances during that time were limited to about a dozen house parties, usually with little advance notice, so I'd gotten into the habit of stuffing a duffel bag with a bunch of pedals and setting up differently each time. My LD Birthday tune ('Decayed') is an exerpt from one of those gigs. I have no idea what the signal path was, but I know it was played on an old, beat-up Washburn Monterey acoustic to which I added active electronics. The loopers were a Boss RC-20 (old version), an Akai Headrush (old version) and a Line6 DL-4, and they were hooked up to a bizarre combination of a/b and a/b/c boxes and an AR.Acoustic amp, most likely in cahoots with a DigiVerb, either a Boss DD3 or a DigiDelay and definitely a volume pedal. 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Upon learning that the Tranzac has a high quality stereo PA, Neil has decided to perform pieces from his sets at Mutek this year - works originally arranged for immersive listening. http://www.phoniq.net Look for the ping things table to get your fix of ambient, electronic, trip hop, dream pop and chill music until the next PiNG - or go online to: http://www.pingthings.com Visit the site now for an extensive "summer heat" sale on over 50 discs. Yep, they're craaaazy! *ping things will be the exclusive source for dreamSTATE's new "OM" CD from August 18th until October. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG periodically presents live performances featuring ambient, electronic, soundscape, chillout, downtempo and experimental artists from around the world. http://www.theambientping.com Tune in anytime to AMBiENT PING RADiO at http://www.ambientpingradio.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 21:37:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CF973BEE2; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012401c6bfe9$d980a610$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060814203538.17412.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: My first busking gig with laptop, Roland Microcube and MIDI Mouse Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:37:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:37:35 +0000 (UTC) That makes sense. I also noticed some latency in the speaker output that I don't hear when I run my laptop through a PA. I'm wondering if the amp moduling, added to the minute amount of latency from my laptop system is producing an audible latency. The latency on my laptop is about 5ms and I don't really notice it. I suppose if the microcube just a few seconds of latency from the processing required to simulate those tons and amps, I could be getting up to 10ms of latency. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: My first busking gig with laptop, Roland Microcube and MIDI Mouse > My guess would be that the Microcube is expecting an > instrument/guitar level (weak) signal to it's main > input. The aux in is looking for a line level. > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Wow, what a big difference. So >> if any of you plan to >> busk with a Microcube, and a laptop or a bunch of >> gear that pre-processes >> your tone the way you like it and ready to feed to a >> mixer, try using the >> Aux of of the MicroCube....made a hell of a >> difference. This should have >> occured to me before...that I'm already producing a >> great sound out of my >> laptop, so I don't need all the amp simulation and >> EQ of the Microcube. >> >> Kris >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 14 23:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7D93BEE4; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yoE+0PHkPXDoy2i13GsX91SjWyWHJ2S9z+EoTgrFcFWisEt+rO8CicVEZJZq3fnCT8Z4fTzJbQZWyCm7ITrKAkZJOQtj9sOwCxJoKc6m+c67hWkuJGg/TuDnDcPSe9UnUJRVAKV3go5TX8h3dn8gjWOX165eABREyz9vOMkq9jE= ; Message-ID: <20060814231548.17806.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Claude i am not sure i understand this, is the feedback regulator an internal function of the G2 or a separate device? cheers Luis > the icing of the cake is a dynamic feedback > regulator wich lowers the > feedback according to the input volume (G2 also) > the feedback regulator avoids the loop beeing too > full after a while and > dynamic replace ala vortex. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 00:24:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE7DE3BED9; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ned/U/GCzeF3FE1CuyArnmWjeJWgn9TzhOrJpx1IEgxVzPV/XYiZr5khvU6eCmT4TM9JxvDCnt3phcwlgNOGak229HTMKr8d9bM+78YPJ6fUJxrgs9B+jr/xrHV/qYr0OpOFFAteQgkfOJWaIB9aBp9ItTF7Cx7oRmbKi41WB8I= ; Message-ID: <20060815002419.25212.qmail@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:24:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: gig tonight (Wednesday) RICK WALKER, MATT DAVIGNON zeroONE Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c6bc0e$effb5db0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 00:24:20 +0000 (UTC) sounds exciting bro! Hey,have u been doing anything with the looperlative? i havent heard u mention it anymore... so tell me about this new instrument you just got from your brother,what is it? cheers carnalito Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Last minute invite for anyone in the South Bay, > Monterey Bay or > SF/Oakland/Berkeley region > who has nothing better to do than go see > experimental music and visuals. > > Matt Davignon and I will both do solo sets (and a > collaborative improv set) > at tonights ZeroONE festival at the Anno Domini > Gallery located at > 366 South First Street (between San Carlos and > San Salvador) in Downtown > San Jose. > > I will be debuting my lo fi loop videos as well as > doing several pieces > featuring entirely > different sets of instruments, including > door-stop-a-phone, melodica, > omnichord, > casio cs-1 crummy sampler, various and sundry > plastic bits, trumpet (with > apologies > to Jeff Kaiser in advance), fretless bass, and > various vocal techniques. > > Matt will balance my GAS approach (gear acquisition > syndrome), utilizing > only a drum machine as a source for sound > > I'm looking forward to it. > > We go on late Matt at 10 me at 10:45 > > yours, Rick WAlker > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 01:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 279003BED9; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dCklvMHJUTcorQb3m1VMBfN0Khg7z5B600rNbCO5up8KOzlx3oIMqTrsyFrLQYNqKp0duOFIZDPg2l7NE2+OAexF4iTH24oTwPoW7HlURD7nnEekmJ4hdca9MKqrKlvtEKxcOOPY8dNAVt1kvDHFXvVcqQcj8h7idVSKI3hVMyg= In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <33108481-22D1-4D7C-BAFB-25A70AF2272A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:19:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:19:08 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 14, 2006, at 4:52 AM, loop.pool wrote: > educational for everyone to explain how they put their > particular piece together. The local newspaper in my berg hosted a ringtone contest last month and wanted 30 sec. max compositions, so I put together a track using thumb piano loops. The thumb piano is passed thru a ring mod filter but otherwise everything is simple and minimal. I put the track together as an alert chime sequence, then an urgency sequence where the rhythm is varied, and then a drone or holding sequence. I felt it would function well as a ringtone but the 3 judges deemed it unworthy of comment. The winners and honorable mentions were all multilayer/multivoice, Winner was drum/bass/synth/sample techno electronica, the 2nd Place entry was a flute sonata. I listened to all the contest entries and still feel that my little ditty works successfully, with just the right amount of "perky and quirky." But what do I know? I suppose it might have helped if I had ever actually owned a cell phone. Or maybe not. :-) regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://tinyurl.com/cr25j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn--iF6a4Xo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 01:59:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6D43BED2; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.071212 secs) Message-ID: <61935.65.94.61.190.1155607197.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: References: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> <44E083B8.40903@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 21:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 12, 2006 From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 01:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Hey - Bill's a musician, looper, loopy-delight member/contributor, does radio programs where he promotes other people's music and then posts his playlists to lists he participates in, so you can see if he's been spinning your music. That's a lot of work and he's not trying to sell blue pills. Bill's not a hijakker, he's a music supporter. Anyhow - There's SPAM and there's info you may not be interested in & this list has lots of the latter. Sorry to rant. I post some gigspam myself and wanted to support Bill. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Yes! Please, whoever has hijacked all of our e-mail adresses STOP THE > SPAM! > > >>Neil Goldstein wrote: >> >>>Didn't see this is broadcast to Loopers Delight. I just wanted to >>>unsubscribe to the radio playlist spam. >>> >>>On 8/13/06, *Neil Goldstein* >>> wrote: >>> >>> Unsubscribe me please. >>> >>> On 8/13/06, *Bill Fox* >> > wrote: >>> >>> http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2006/060812.html >>> >>> >>> I host the Saturday AM/FM Show... >>> >>I'm afraid that posting my playlists to LD is valid and accepted by >>the list owner. Just like anything else sent to LD, all members see >>it. I cannot select any particular member to see or not see it. >>You'll just have to set up a filter. For people like you, I use a >>standardized Subject: to allow easy filtering that grabs only my >>playlists and, hopefully, nothing important. Just filter for: >>"The AM/FM Show Playlist for" >>or >>"Afterglow Playlist for" >>and you should be OK. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Bill > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 02:16:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4ACE23BED3; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cwrzSruy7dkXHKZm5clXBYRYJc1J2ha2r5FZYwrJmfFh6rPAh5MDzyhDiHZp646VrnaQuqzJwUItg43KcWt1syop9eadsXAHgB4pYziEwlMNNHBO7UIGYeYlhjIYHnug2XwiOxXRpnhTFZYW+qkpjSiE0850nwlJykiZVuk/X2I= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 19:16:55 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 12, 2006 In-Reply-To: <61935.65.94.61.190.1155607197.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_149178_17597261.1155608215041" References: <44DF8FD9.80305@soundscapes.us> <44E083B8.40903@soundscapes.us> <61935.65.94.61.190.1155607197.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 02:16:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_149178_17597261.1155608215041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline for the record when I first posted I accidentally sent before noticing it was a group subscribe. Thought it was just going to Bill, and after Scott M2's supportive email, I think the idea's good, guess I missed the original intro to that service, thought I'm an old timer here. hell this is the kind of thing I'd like to particate in! Just been overwhelmed with things to listen to and thought I'd trim the fat. In the end after seeing what this about I'm all for it. Neil ------=_Part_149178_17597261.1155608215041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
for the record when I first posted I accidentally sent before noticing it was a group subscribe. Thought it was just going to Bill, and after Scott M2's supportive email, I think the idea's good, guess I missed the original intro to that service, thought I'm an old timer here.
 
hell this is the kind of thing I'd like to particate in! Just been overwhelmed with things to listen to and thought I'd trim the fat. In the end after seeing what this about I'm all for it.
 
Neil
 
------=_Part_149178_17597261.1155608215041-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 03:02:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E14A13BEDE; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=xzGseaKLGNmMnrGpHHMEHJ2BrUM19D72VkQsP2uEFD6zrmFfy51Npi0Qf4Bv5E10sgAd6nrf3Pe/a2fwAQFF1sLgHzaxQykyaydEbeNorwgH8CTHdXjtbTotCL/zjctKAUUJdlwnTa1sYXnC3TNG4iU9/2nQtP+k8PohFCQ50GI= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:02:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: Aca/mBEhCUwOD9R6Rp2slvru4ReZ1wAfg8FQ In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Message-Id: <20060815030227.231043BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 03:02:28 +0000 (UTC) re: Mark Christensen - Vermont - USA um... er... i snipped 30 seconds out of an improvised solo guitar looping... uh, something or other. i think this was done with my Frankenstrat, TC Electronics Sustainer, a Lexicon JamMan and a Vortex. waaaaaayyyyyyy stripped down for me. sounds like it was done during my "Vortex before the JamMan in the signal chain" period. m http://www.TwistedAppleRecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 05:54:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 528073BED9; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <44D9D78A.6080906@addcom.de> References: <006f01c6ac24$e6588980$6701a8c0@pantanolaptop1> <0df101c6ac26$29976440$f3b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <006c01c6b69e$da5242f0$60b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D74E38.1040102@addcom.de> <013301c6ba39$726a7740$1cb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44D9D78A.6080906@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: 10 year's anniversary of Looper's Delight ? Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:54:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 05:54:33 +0000 (UTC) I uploaded my 30 secs worth..... Description: I was working on some software for a friend....and made some loops=20 making squeaky lip noises. This was done in one pass using the free=20 Pluggo Jr. Plugins, Max/MSP Runtime and my free software available=20 here: http://jeffkaiser.com/software.html http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 08:07:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB513BEDB; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c6c041$ca949460$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060814231548.17806.qmail@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:07:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:07:06 +0000 (UTC) It is a part of the G2 patch I'm using to pilot the edp for the song described in the other posts thing of a g2 as as sort of Max, reactor, audio mulch, bidule etc... version in hardware http://www.clavia.se/G2/ Claude Claude i am not sure i understand this, is the feedback regulator an internal function of the G2 or a separate device? cheers Luis > the icing of the cake is a dynamic feedback > regulator wich lowers the > feedback according to the input volume (G2 also) > the feedback regulator avoids the loop beeing too > full after a while and > dynamic replace ala vortex. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 09:02:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC573BED2; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c6c049$6e605370$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20060814000250.98325.qmail@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <09119FBE-3C50-48E4-8811-E400E11B22BA@zoekeating.com> <002e01c6bf78$71a11280$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:01:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:02:06 +0000 (UTC) A problem acknowledged by the press: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/arts/music/15tour.html?th&emc=th ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Sent: Monday, 14 August, 2006 09:05 AM Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians >I keep remembering that scene in "Hail! Hail! Rock n' Roll!" where Chuck >Berry's talking to the camera while going through St Louis airport with his >guitar-in-case: When asked how he could check his precious guitar, he says, >"Business expense!" and smiles. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zoe Keating" > To: > Sent: Monday, 14 August, 2006 03:09 AM > Subject: Re: OT Cabin baggage ban hits musicians > > >> well if i ever hit it bigtime, i'll buy a loopers-only plane (LoopAir? >> AeroLoop? LuftLoopa?). the gear will travel first class and have its own >> drinks. >> >> On Aug 13, 2006, at 5:02 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>> I understand Delta Airlines will refund you 50.00dlls >>> right away for any small inconvenience damage(like >>> soken underwear from a german beer exploded mini >>> keg)which ive been through;-) >>> this whole traveling hassle is making me think about >>> building a small reliable traveling pedalboard looper >>> rig and a decent guitar.Perhaps the limitations will >>> create new and sophisticated ideas with for the deluxe >>> looping rig. >>> i feel slowly going back to basics.... >>> Luis >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 09:52:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BE383BECC; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003301c6c050$77c16ec0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> <44E0C741.20101@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Question to Claude (Was EDP ignorance) / live-looping podcast possibilty Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:52:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <3zH_G.A.MYD.JlZ4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:52:09 +0000 (UTC) > As a quick note to Claude: > >> Yes the above PS was a provocation towards "fast looper" > I guess I missed that vibe... I don't always pick on sarcasm so well, > especially in e-mail. as english is not my mother tongue at all, my sarcasm are not always controled in subtility, humor, or force :=) but I'm glad you didnt take it as an offence as this post says it clearly. in this case, as everything is already programed and setup in the G2 (see the other posts) and reacting to the volume of what is played; all you could _see_ is a guy playing guitar and improvising answers to what the machine spills. now about creativity its about _daring_ things without a goal, recipe neither a time frame. and being stubborn at it. the way to discover a lot about looping concepts creativity etc... is to hike the archives from top to bottom specially the first 3-4 years and the year after june 02 (edp loopIV upgrade ) hava nice day Claude > Just for the record, my statement was not meant as some sort of > retaliation, but as admiration and awe. I certainly didn't feel provoked > in anyway. I may never have the chance to see you perform live, and I'd > love the opportunity to catch a glimpse via video if you were to ever > record something, and I'd love to see how you perform with this particular > technique. I just understood your PS as a statement of fact, and so my > response was meant to be a compliment to show respect for implementing > such a creative idea. No offense inteded, and I hope you understand that > I'm not looking for some quick-fix method of looping. I know it's a long > learning process that I fully intend to venture. I've certainly enjoyed > and appreciated the benefit of gleaning from more experienced loopers like > yourself on this list. > snip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 10:21:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D72E43BEE6; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: e074d53426ba467aee3394647a25afda Received-SPF: pass (calana.hst.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.6; envelope-from=tunga.muzik@terra.com.br; helo=OFFICE; Message-ID: <001d01c6c054$8e27d9c0$8386000a@OFFICE> From: "tunga.muzik" To: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark><002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com><008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> <44E0C741.20101@infinivert.com> <003301c6c050$77c16ec0$0400000a@mini> Subject: electrix repeater mk2 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:21:21 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:21:21 +0000 (UTC) hi loopers. what about the new electrix repeater mk2? any owner to tell about it? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 12:42:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD2B43BED3; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:42:51 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] electrix repeater mk2 In-Reply-To: <001d01c6c054$8e27d9c0$8386000a@OFFICE> Message-ID: References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark><002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com><008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> <44E0C741.20101@infinivert.com> <003301c6c050$77c16ec0$0400000a@mini> <001d01c6c054$8e27d9c0$8386000a@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:42:51 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, tunga.muzik wrote: > hi loopers. what about the new electrix repeater mk2? any owner to tell about > it? Not out yet. Last word was November. (Personally, I don't know if it ever will ship. Not holding my breath waiting, either.) best, Steve B Subscape Annex / Phasmatodea From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 12:43:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7F153BEE6; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:45:47 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune In-reply-to: <00f301c6bfd6$cfbcc7c0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000c01c6c068$bb6b6ff0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6juh2+rsJanhpFDnkBaILQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:43:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_6juh2+rsJanhpFDnkBaILQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Here's mine: I was swimming in a pool of mercury, and when I emerged I had silver snakes instead of hair. And I shook off the snakes and revelled in the glory of sudden hairlessness, and realized this was my destiny, to wander smiling and naked through the world, reflecting. Warren Sirota www.warrensirota.com -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:21 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Sure, I can post the descriptions of each clip....I guess I need to make a sumission myself too! I am behind. Here is the running list of submission now. I just had my little elves throw theh page together: http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm Go ahead and send me your descriptions now. I go yours, Per. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Daryl Shawn To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune I'm very partial to acapella vocal looping stuff, I love what I hear from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and Rainer in the collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen Heap have done in this direction, if anyone has recommendations (your own music included) I'd love to hear them. It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a page. Krispen, could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD, Kim? About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is the normal length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second cassettes. I did four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through a Studio Projects tube mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two tracks are clean, two are fuzz (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting with the speed control, which shoots the tracks up an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm partial to. Overall, the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of the other tracks, but that's part of what I like about the medium. Two weeks left! C'mon, more submissions! We should aim for 100 loops. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second looping project and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting edge music I hear there. I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how they put their particular piece together. --Boundary_(ID_6juh2+rsJanhpFDnkBaILQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
Here's mine:
 
I was swimming in a pool of mercury, and when I emerged I had silver snakes instead of hair. And I shook off the snakes and revelled in the glory of sudden hairlessness, and realized this was my destiny, to wander smiling and naked through the world, reflecting.
 
Warren Sirota
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 3:21 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune

Sure, I can post the descriptions of each clip....I guess I need to make a sumission myself too! I am behind.
 
Here is the running list of submission now. I just had my little elves throw theh page together: http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm
 
Go ahead and send me your descriptions now. I go yours, Per.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune

I'm very partial to acapella vocal looping stuff, I love what I hear from Rick (I wanna hear more from that show, Rick!) and Rainer in the collection. I'm familiar with what Bjork and Imogen Heap have done in this direction, if anyone has recommendations (your own music included) I'd love to hear them.

It'd be nice to have the explanations together on a page. Krispen, could we host a page on your site, or on Box.net? Or LD, Kim?

About my own submission: I'm lucky in that 30 seconds is the normal length of the loops I make, since they're 30-second cassettes. I did four tracks of improv nylon-string direct through a Studio Projects tube mic pre, into a Yamaha four-track. Two tracks are clean, two are fuzz (Effector13 TBD). I did a lot of pitch-shifting with the speed control, which shoots the tracks up an octave with a bit of a "whoosh" which I'm partial to. Overall, the low fidelity stands out compared to a lot of the other tracks, but that's part of what I like about the medium.

Two weeks left! C'mon, more submissions! We should aim for 100 loops.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second looping project
and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting edge music
I hear there.

I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how they put their
particular piece together.

--Boundary_(ID_6juh2+rsJanhpFDnkBaILQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 13:52:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4B813BEDF; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d6gOmBEPKWKPlahUieAWJWv59Mk0CozC41rLNBvUfYZfa7JCtQRjSLtiNPLTd70JrLJ8W0LXw8ErjVtltbwoLorWwFQiNjDj57njLYxV8/58TPAoVf+iIjzyT/+I8omEXL7l6/odHYk2O/QeJLzv+++ORlax7NdZZY2akva7Fr8= ; Message-ID: <20060815135216.52830.qmail@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: [LOOP] electrix repeater mk2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3ZeMVC.A.jWG.SGd4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:52:19 +0000 (UTC) My guess is that we'll have flying cars and all our meals will come in pill form before the Repeater MK2 comes out. Now where's my silver jumpsuit.... --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, tunga.muzik wrote: > > > hi loopers. what about the new electrix repeater > mk2? any owner to tell about > > it? > > Not out yet. Last word was November. (Personally, I > don't know if it ever > will ship. Not holding my breath waiting, either.) > > best, > Steve B > Subscape Annex / Phasmatodea > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 14:45:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B0A63BED5; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--895242877 Message-Id: <594cee49d7942fd9a25c969a8ae6a212@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_kiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:44:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <2yAlxC.A.t8D.y3d4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:45:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--895242877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed My little ditty is actually a tiny excerpt from an outtake that didn't =20= make the final cut on my CD. I'm rather sorry that I didn't have time to record something new. Now, =20= actually, I wish I had. Sometimes I just get lazy I guess. I want to participate but there are =20= too many other things whirling around in my life at the moment. Anywho it's jut me an my trusty Gibson '77 RD Artist, fairly =20 clean-toned, with Vortex, Sustainiac and 2 EDPs. Nothing really ground-breaking here. Just a way to pass the =20= time. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn =93It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient =20= eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I =20 find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars =20= all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much =20= care. That's no concern of mine.=94 -- Edward Abbey http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? "Different is not always better, but better is always different"= --Apple-Mail-3--895242877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 My little ditty is actually a tiny excerpt from an outtake that didn't make the final cut on my CD. I'm rather sorry that I didn't have time to record something new. Now, actually, I wish I had. Sometimes I just get lazy I guess. I want to participate but there are too many other things=20 whirling around in my life at the moment.=20 Anywho it's jut me an my trusty Gibson '77 RD Artist, fairly clean-toned, with Vortex, Sustainiac and 2 EDPs. Nothing really ground-breaking here. Just a way to pass the time. Peace, tEd =AE kiLLiAn 8080,0000,0000=93It may be true that my desk here is really "nothing but" a transient eddy of electrons in the flux of universal process. Nevertheless, I find that it continues to support my feet, my revolver, and my cigars all day long. What happens when my back is turned I don't know. Or much care. That's no concern of mine.=94 -- Edward Abbey 8080,8080,8080 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? 8080,0000,0000"Different is not always better, but better is always different"= --Apple-Mail-3--895242877-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 15:55:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0947B3BEE0; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: Adrian Belew - Phila review. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <-75jFC.A.SGC.55e4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:55:37 +0000 (UTC) I saw Adrian Belew on his current tour last night at their Phila PA gig. He is playing with a new trio made up of two teenagers (Eric and Julie Slick) who are graduates of the School or Rock all Stars founded here in Phila (a fantastic gig to see it their own right!). In a way this was sort of a homecoming for the band and it showed. They started right out loudly and unapolegetically rocking with "Writing on the Wall". I was actually surprised at how raw they were in intensity. They were *really* having fun up there. The set was quite solid with solo material, King Crimson songs, and lots of jamming in the power trio format. Both backing players demonstrated chops far beyond their ages not only holding their own as equals but also playing off each other and Belew. It was really wonderful seeing all three of them being so gracious and challenging at the same time. A true "band" effort. Toward the middle of the set he did a few solo numbers looping some rhythm parts or simply "Belewups" as needed. Highlights include "Lone Rhinoceros" and he even added one very difficult song he hadn't done on tour so far due to the energy of the audience. When he finished he wrung his hands and both laughed and gasped as if he was as amazed as the rest of us he pulled it off. That combination of showmanship and humilty and incredible talent directly connected and when the band came back out again they started with a roar going into a simpler arrangement of Big Electric Cat that still pushed boundries of the trio format. I put up a page of some of the artsy photos I took (hey, that's what i do :) ) and a short one minute lofi video I took of him looping a bit. I think it captures his stage presence very well actually. http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/foto/belew/belew.htm Gearwise his setup was condensed quite a bit due to his new Parker Fly signature guitar. He is still using multiple Johnson and Line6 amps and a few stompboxes (I noticed a Digitech whammy and Boomerang looper) but most of his sounds and setups are recalled via a switch board and the internal electronics in his guitar. It sounded a tad digital certainly but his playing warmed it up plenty. After the show he came out and signed autographs and gladly chatted and hung out with the fans. A number of the School of rock kids were there as well as the Slick's family which really made the whole event feel quite personal and just plain fun. If you are a fan and haven't seen this tour I highly reccomend doing so. It is very different than any other show I have seen him play. Tight but still leaving room to stretch out. There is a generous amount of both old and new material and everything sounded remarkably fresh in this new presentation. He is still talking about doing a live ablum with the trio format (called side four). I can only hope that happens as I don't think I have heard *this* side of Belew before. D_ ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 16:19:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A94F3BEE1; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: fabio anile Reply-To: fabio anile To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:18:30 +0200 Message-ID: <2mnWGRV5rfrx.jFlZxpM1@smtp.tre.biz> X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <23X9fD.A.mbD.rQf4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Mine was just an imporovvised recording with a DD20 loop and some sparse = piano notes.=20 Just for fun at night, before sleeping.=20 Fabio www.xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 16:33:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E1C63BEDB; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <078f01c6c088$7ce4ea20$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2mnWGRV5rfrx.jFlZxpM1@smtp.tre.biz> Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:33:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. Keep them coming, folks. http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm The is starting to fill up. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "fabio anile" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Mine was just an imporovvised recording with a DD20 loop and some sparse piano notes. Just for fun at night, before sleeping. Fabio www.xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 17:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 043A83BEE6; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E1FF0C.7000209@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:06:20 -0400 From: Chaz Worm Reply-To: chaz@earthwormandfire.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cheapest Looping Gear References: <20060813182107.57B813BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <009b01c6bf2a$a9d99b20$5a01a8c0@mark> <002201c6bf70$97dbbac0$0400000a@mini> <44E0854E.5040707@infinivert.com> <008801c6bfbe$884b1030$0400000a@mini> <44E0C741.20101@infinivert.com> <003301c6c050$77c16ec0$0400000a@mini> In-Reply-To: <003301c6c050$77c16ec0$0400000a@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9PNQ_.A.CHF.T8f4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC) I would like to get started using some looping gear with my performances. What do the cheapest looping gear usually start at? chaz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 17:12:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 694573BEDE; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Cheapest Looping Gear Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:12:31 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c6c08d$fe8a0e20$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbAjSbEiIW5YJvvSueS0nLfBCc3kwAAFPmQAAAe7JA= Resent-Message-ID: <8H7zJD.A.oWF.HCg4EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:12:39 +0000 (UTC) If you'd be more specific regarding your requirements, we could be more = specific naming a price. The cheapest looping devices I'm aware of are the Akai E2 Headrush (for = =E2=82=AC119) and the Boss RC2 (for =E2=82=AC145). > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Chaz Worm [mailto:chaz@earthwormandfire.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. August 2006 19:06 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Cheapest Looping Gear >=20 > I would like to get started using some looping gear with my=20 > performances. What do the cheapest looping gear usually start at? >=20 > chaz >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 17:20:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D72FE3BF07; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44E2026A.5000801@earthwormandfire.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 13:20:42 -0400 From: Chaz Worm Reply-To: chaz@earthwormandfire.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cheapest Looping Gear References: <000101c6c08d$fe8a0e20$0101a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000101c6c08d$fe8a0e20$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080007090404050805000702" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:20:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080007090404050805000702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanx. Sorry for my unclear request. I would like looping gear that would hold a chorus and a verse but any looping gear would be nice at the present. chaz Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > If you'd be more specific regarding your requirements, we could be more specific naming a price. > > The cheapest looping devices I'm aware of are the Akai E2 Headrush (for €119) and the Boss RC2 (for €145). > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Chaz Worm [mailto:chaz@earthwormandfire.com] >> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. August 2006 19:06 >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Betreff: Cheapest Looping Gear >> >> I would like to get started using some looping gear with my >> performances. What do the cheapest looping gear usually start at? >> >> chaz >> >> >> > > > --------------080007090404050805000702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanx.  Sorry for my unclear request.  I would like looping gear that would hold a chorus and a verse but any looping gear would be nice at the present.

chaz

Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
If you'd be more specific regarding your requirements, we could be more specific naming a price.

The cheapest looping devices I'm aware of are the Akai E2 Headrush (for €119) and the Boss RC2 (for €145).

  
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Chaz Worm [mailto:chaz@earthwormandfire.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. August 2006 19:06
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Cheapest Looping Gear

I would like to get started using some looping gear with my 
performances.  What do the cheapest looping gear usually start at?

chaz


    


  
--------------080007090404050805000702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 18:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59E1F3BEE2; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Cheapest Looping Gear Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:26:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <44E2026A.5000801@earthwormandfire.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbAjyuKfhgT4TmRQB2/l6d+niJ63wACN36w Message-Id: <20060815182635.DHSB27846.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:26:37 +0000 (UTC) RC-20 going on eBay for $140=E2=80=94190. Can=E2=80=99t beat that! Gary ORIGINAL MESSAGES FOLLOW I would like to get started using some looping gear with my=20 performances. What do the cheapest looping gear usually start at? chaz Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:=20 If you'd be more specific regarding your requirements, we could be more = specific naming a price. The cheapest looping devices I'm aware of are the Akai E2 Headrush (for = =E2=82=AC119) and the Boss RC2 (for =E2=82=AC145). Thanx. Sorry for my unclear request. I would like looping gear that = would hold a chorus and a verse but any looping gear would be nice at = the present. chaz =20 =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 19:10:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B0813BEE9; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KaVIeU1OyScPQA98zLlsH1I8yR2AtwoTccy3GEQjgXPxcN8YiRp/DGdHb6DCfE21o14mQYg1n1UAfmaVvauZD0j3a7JY30iSN68vAnijd4f6ZdSdlH8PQZ8yo6R6sicURO+ZndHSO7ohwsRlCOy1hVrDqO2uRumRoGRvHnALkUM= ; Message-ID: <20060815191051.89153.qmail@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:10:52 +0000 (UTC) greetings loopers, first posting here. i am in search of a piece of gear that will fulfill certain requirements. right now i am using an akai s2000 as my sampler which i use to trigger one-shot and looped samples from my midi keyboard. the problem is how many button presses it takes to record a sound, set it to loop, set start and end points for the loop and then assign that sample to a program. the key here is that i want the midi pitch manipulation of a "professional" sampler with a relatively easier sampling / looping method. so far the closest thing i have personally used would be the korg kaoss pad, in that it allows for a relatively fast sampling / looping procedure. however, it's not exactly what i'm looking for, because: 1. the sampling time is not that great. i havn't timed it or checked the specs, but it seems around 5-6 seconds. 2. there is a midi in, but you can't use it to control the pitch of the sample playback. from my research it seems like the akai s20 might be my best bet. i'd like to hear from someone who has or had one of these. i am looking to get away for under $200 if at all possible. even a less performance oriented sampler would be fine as long as you can record a sample and loop it with relative ease (say, less than 5 button presses). if anyone can suggest another piece of gear that might fit the bill, i'd greatly appreciate any tips. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 15 19:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 868603BEF6; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5qsuvzA5Dzo86kDeNjDqqwsJFN28Nb8yv4tJ9nXmbuhGw5wjG35xxnDfpE5Ymk09TAkVNWPM2KOZ49azCY2oCtbNr7zNgKzKIpAFdlf3IBlUTAtVTsCOleSUR4/Va8udR13r0dt0EGvcVqMFj4FItnRn3+K7A7768cjO8u2wSvw= ; Message-ID: <20060815191322.65553.qmail@web36602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: looping sampler with midi capability To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:13:23 +0000 (UTC) greetings loopers, first posting here. i am in search of a piece of gear that will fulfill certain requirements. right now i am using an akai s2000 as my sampler which i use to trigger one-shot and looped samples from my midi keyboard. the problem is how many button presses it takes to record a sound, set it to loop, set start and end points for the loop and then assign that sample to a program. the key here is that i want the midi pitch manipulation of a "professional" sampler with a relatively easier sampling / looping method. so far the closest thing i have personally used would be the korg kaoss pad, in that it allows for a relatively fast sampling / looping procedure. however, it's not exactly what i'm looking for, because: 1. the sampling time is not that great. i havn't timed it or checked the specs, but it seems around 5-6 seconds. 2. there is a midi in, but you can't use it to control the pitch of the sample playback. from my research it seems like the akai s20 might be my best bet. i'd like to hear from someone who has or had one of these. i am looking to get away for under $200 if at all possible. even a less performance oriented sampler would be fine as long as you can record a sample and loop it with relative ease (say, less than 5 button presses). if anyone can suggest another piece of gear that might fit the bill, i'd greatly appreciate any tips. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 23:17:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997433BF0F; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0fef14c3bbd97322d8ae3d2233156d8a@tuckertota.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tucker Tota Subject: Live Looping with a Drum Machine Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:15:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I use a Boss RC-20 for live looping and it works great. I would like to incorporate a drum machine into my shows. I've tried pre-recording drum loops, but I want to be able to manipulate the drum machine separately. I know that there are loopers with MIDI out there(RC50, EHX 2880), and this would help a lot...but they are also the most expensive ones and have features I do not need. The 16 Second Delay is no good, because you have to pre-set the tempo, and I like the Push-Play-Push style of live looping. I was even hoping there would be something with a BPM setting that I can use to match the tempo of the drum machine. I don't need multiple tracks or phrases. Just something simple like the RC20, JamMan, or Bomerang. I have not found anything after a lot of searching. If anyone knows of any product, even vintage or discontinued, please let me know. Also, if anyone has used the RC20 with a drum machine, I would like to know what strategies you used to help them sync up. Thanks, Javier Puga www.TuckerTota.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 23:47:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9503BF12; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WQYE2Xn25Q88+DB9W71DFbacjSk7ky7Xt9kURC1XD9vVc79ncTjGwVcmbXqmkLhCOpCfPGaSApu2xU2uZdgCs+yROIW3t2EO9aFiyS/GsznUQ+E+Vo7sqcNRB+RLj73p2hScQEa+GNDvTpQAeSCkQkpLew39mOstA8P5ybuPLpE= ; Message-ID: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:47:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Live Looping with a Drum Machine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0fef14c3bbd97322d8ae3d2233156d8a@tuckertota.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:47:14 +0000 (UTC) I think your best bet for the least expensive looper that will sync to (or send sync to as it seems you're looking for) is the Lexicon JamMan used. Don't even think about being able to dial in a bpm and expect them to stay in sync. No 2 clocks are perfect and you will drift after a short while. Other than midi sync (which few loopers have) the only other way is to find a unit that allows you to do a loop restart and just manually restart the loop when you hear it start to drift. I know people have had luck with that, but sounds like something I'd not want to have to think about on stage.... or ever. The Lexicon JamMan does a pretty good job of following (or being the master). Don't expect to change the tempo at all though. As far as I know the only unit that does that is the Electrix Repeater and that's up in the $600 used area. I think the JamMan is around $300 to $350 used. The Echoplex Digital Pro is pretty much the king of currently produced hardware loopers, but expect to pay about $800 for one new and not much less used. Also, it's mono but has a ton of features. 2 can operate together to work as a single stereo unit. On the high end is the Looperlative. Chock full o' features and getting more every day due to it's developer. $1500 out the door gives you a pretty damn good looper. I had one until I realized that for $1500 I could get a kickass laptop and audio interface and run Mobius... which is what I did. If you're not into using a laptop this is the unit I'd probably still own. I'm not sure if i understand what the "push-play-push" style of live looping is. --- Tucker Tota wrote: > Hello, > > I use a Boss RC-20 for live looping and it works > great. I would like to > incorporate a drum machine into my shows. I've tried > pre-recording drum > loops, but I want to be able to manipulate the drum > machine separately. > > I know that there are loopers with MIDI out > there(RC50, EHX 2880), and > this would help a lot...but they are also the most > expensive ones and > have features I do not need. > > The 16 Second Delay is no good, because you have to > pre-set the tempo, > and I like the Push-Play-Push style of live looping. > > I was even hoping there would be something with a > BPM setting that I > can use to match the tempo of the drum machine. > > I don't need multiple tracks or phrases. Just > something simple like the > RC20, JamMan, or Bomerang. > > I have not found anything after a lot of searching. > > If anyone knows of any product, even vintage or > discontinued, please > let me know. > > Also, if anyone has used the RC20 with a drum > machine, I would like to > know what strategies you used to help them sync up. > > Thanks, > > Javier Puga > > www.TuckerTota.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 20 23:50:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE043BF11; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MDHVdebR7f9V6aZytM9fTX3H8SHfVN9KftChk6qg/Lpca0owxKW36EUVYuK4kwctBMtGV+gfqMDViRbtvJzeUSB/oTNl259GEY8NM42eB1k1PJJOostWL/DLlkTW4HkRWcN4DaSD4Cyx8+/1DyTrnjTfZG3dZk9zQiHr+JZ9U9k= ; Message-ID: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:50:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6c6bc74cb3acf720920727430a9376da@pfmentum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Kris... what is it that you want your vst host to do? > > Linux with Red Hat yet. Programming may be fun and > gratifying for some > > folks, but not others. I don't want to build my > own VST host in > > MAX/MSP...I want them to do it for me, and make it > look nice and easy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 00:22:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B2403BF12; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tucker Tota Subject: Re: Live Looping with a Drum Machine Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:19:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:22:31 +0000 (UTC) By Push-Play-Push...I mean you click the pedal to start recording, you play what you want to record, and then you press the pedal again to start playback and define the length of your loop. With some loopers you have to pre-define the length, and this is useless to me. The Lexicon JamMan looks like it might be what I'm looking for...and I find them for cheaper than you say on eBay. Also, are there any loopers not on the loopers-delight website? Because I have yet to find one that isn't on the site. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 01:03:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0C153BF1C; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> References: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:01:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Live Looping with a Drum Machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711209151cff3463c3c9cbc44f44e84ca321158ce75fe477930ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.178 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:03:14 +0000 (UTC) The EH 16 second delay has this feature in the latest version. You simply set the 'coarse' slider to >32 bars and it eliminates the count-in and allows you to set the tempoby tapping the loop length. Failing that, I have a completely upgraded Jamman for sale... -CZ >By Push-Play-Push...I mean you click the pedal to start recording, >you play what you want to record, and then you press the pedal again >to start playback and define the length of your loop. With some >loopers you have to pre-define the length, and this is useless to >me. The Lexicon JamMan looks like it might be what I'm looking >for...and I find them for cheaper than you say on eBay. > >Also, are there any loopers not on the loopers-delight website? >Because I have yet to find one that isn't on the site. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 01:41:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 688A13BF1A; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:41:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:07 +0000 (UTC) From: "mark sottilaro" > Kris... what is it that you want your vst host to do? I would be quite demanding. For starters, - I don't want the virtual wire (ie. rat's nest) GUI of connecting VSTs like Bidule and EnergyXT...that looks like crap after a while and seems like a waste of screen space - I'd like to be able to create a module of VST effects, or one VST effect, where the GUI for doing so is a graphical matrix table (rows and columns fed by a input that I choose and going to a output that I choose), where you can insert VST effects in serial or parallel...then save that matrix or module and show it as one button or small icon on the main VST host GUI; and then I'd like to be able to activate that matrix with a mouse click, keyboard button, or MIDI program change (I guess you can save modules like this in Bidule, but it is not at all intuitive to me -Then I would like to be able to place these modules or matrices into a higher order matrix of modules in parallel or serial, all shown in the main VST host GUI - And when selecting the VSTs to go into the matrix, I'd like to be able to drag and drop them with my mouse from an Explorer like space into the matrix - And while playing in real time, I'd like to be able to open up a module/matrix and drag and drop another VST effect into it ,which activates and becomes a part of the module in real-time (this is wishful thinking) - And I DON'T want to have to program my GUI with a bunch of cryptic text or codes just to create a matix, but it should all be graphical and highly intuitive - drag and drop, drop-down menus, what you see is what you get, etc Basically, even though all the efects are in parallel, I really do like Chainer. If Chainer had the ability to put VST effects in parallel, shown horizontally in the same "link" of the chain, and if I could activate that "link" via MIDI, Chainer would amost do it for me. However, I contacted them, and you can't activate a VST effect via MIDI, only control the VST effects's parameters, presets, etc...that seems sort of ridiculous to me, but it's their design. I suppose I could run EnergyXT as a VST and insert a copy it inside the chain of Chainer...I haven't tired that yet. I think MAX/MSP would probably work for me (if it can pull off the intuitive GUI I prefer), but I don't want to spend the time and get on the learning curve to create my own VST host. And it seems sort of ridiculous for me to spend $500 on the program, when it basically becomes an overglorified VST host. I just want the host ,but not all the programming bells and whistles. I suppose when I can justify the spend, I'll buy MAX/MSP, and just pay someone to create a VST host for me, built to my specs. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 01:46:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AB2F3BF1A; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:46:05 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c6c4c3$9185a700$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcbEwt+Og5XhHofIRBOh17dfios0IwAAHiDQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Kris, did you look at V-Stack by Steinberg? I haven't used it myself, but to me it looks like something that could exactly work for you. Rainer > I would be quite demanding. For starters, > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 01:48:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B3C3BF1E; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tucker Tota Subject: Re: Live Looping with a Drum Machine Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:46:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:48:54 +0000 (UTC) I researched the 16 second delay, and it seems that all of the re-issued models have the >32 setting, but you still have to set the tempo before and there is a 4 bar count in. The setting is so that your loop can be whatever number of bars, but the tempo has to be pre-defined. I read on a few forum that there was, or was going to be an update that eliminates the 4 bar count in, but i think they just released the 2880 instead. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 01:59:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80AE43BF20; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:59:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Live Looping with a Drum Machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711209151cff3463c3c9cdb7e5291ef8233db27f982c683177788350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.178 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Actually, Electro Harmonix did release that update, and it performs as you would want, the loop is the length between footswitch taps... >I researched the 16 second delay, and it seems that all of the >re-issued models have the >32 setting, but you still have to set the >tempo before and there is a 4 bar count in. The setting is so that >your loop can be whatever number of bars, but the tempo has to be >pre-defined. > >I read on a few forum that there was, or was going to be an update >that eliminates the 4 bar count in, but i think they just released >the 2880 instead. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 02:17:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 077613BF1D; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a2301c6c4c7$efaebca0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000601c6c4c3$9185a700$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:17:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:17:25 +0000 (UTC) Looks like it has some limitiations in terms of number of VSTs you can run: V-STACK - virtual VST-Rack V-STACK is a VST instrument rack that can power up to 16 VST instruments, ideal either for live use on stage or extending your existing VST System Link network - without requiring an additional sequencer program. V-STACK cheaply and conveniently extends the power of Cubase and Nuendo systems by integrating the CPU power of another computer that processes VST additional instruments. As a standalone application, V-STACK is the ideal performance rack for VSTi's, providing a CPU efficient platform for integrating the power of VST instruments on stage. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: AW: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? > Kris, did you look at V-Stack by Steinberg? I haven't used it myself, but > to > me it looks like something that could exactly work for you. > > Rainer > >> I would be quite demanding. For starters, >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 02:58:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B020E3BF1A; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [70.133.159.76] Message-ID: <44E9215E.1000500@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:58:38 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping with a Drum Machine References: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> In-Reply-To: <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-4, 08/18/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like Mobius/EDP to me. --Josh Tucker Tota wrote: > By Push-Play-Push...I mean you click the pedal to start recording, you > play what you want to record, and then you press the pedal again to > start playback and define the length of your loop. With some loopers > you have to pre-define the length, and this is useless to me. The > Lexicon JamMan looks like it might be what I'm looking for...and I > find them for cheaper than you say on eBay. > > Also, are there any loopers not on the loopers-delight website? > Because I have yet to find one that isn't on the site. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 02:59:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 566FE3BF1D; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Live Looping with a Drum Machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20060820234713.35571.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47d32c6951f61f2dc7396adcf83e095b@tuckertota.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:59:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, 20 Aug 2006, Tucker Tota wrote: > I researched the 16 second delay, and it seems that all of the re-issued > models have the >32 setting, but you still have to set the tempo before and > there is a 4 bar count in. The setting is so that your loop can be whatever > number of bars, but the tempo has to be pre-defined. > > I read on a few forum that there was, or was going to be an update that > eliminates the 4 bar count in, but i think they just released the 2880 > instead. An update for the E-H 16sec delay reissue exists. Mine has been upgraded. Upgrade behavior or originally posted on this list in December: http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200512/msg00005.html After I read the above note, I sent my E-H 16sec reissue in for the chip upgrade in January of this year, and my upgraded unit works exactly as described in the email linked to above. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Badgerhaus http://www.badgerhaus.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB5FD3BF16; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nSy83BarWPh7r/hMwVL4+UXj62aS4IGwitNeXxLiC4BW9WHnWG+mrROtgWYM+vukt4vPwTe9eaFJi5z+RrW6deVv/swrfqSki6QsuSiTwGZhJS1G/+9Jj0ZOes5WpYXDNxjkTxYlwNl5/kOuUvH2ploLvGwIC+DY0npqxAj+qvc= ; Message-ID: <20060821033407.50229.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:34:09 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Chainer. If Chainer had the ability to put VST > effects in parallel, shown > horizontally in the same "link" of the chain, and if > I could activate that > "link" via MIDI, Chainer would amost do it for me. > However, I contacted > them, and you can't activate a VST effect via MIDI, > only control the VST > effects's parameters, presets, etc...that seems sort > of ridiculous to me, Hm, is this something you could do by running Chainer as a vst within Live? Also, live does allow you to do some basic routing with stacks of vsts and effect sends. Download the demo, it's free. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 03:43:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D3593BF1E; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a4301c6c4d3$edf83c90$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EVENT REMINDER: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - August 26 / 8pm Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:43:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1A40_01C6C4A1.A22154F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:43:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1A40_01C6C4A1.A22154F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello folks - I'll be streaming this one to the internet (see info below). Ted Killian = and I play the last set of this event. This is an = electronic/experimental music series I'll be hosting three times a year. Kris 3 Shapes Aikido and the Boise Experimental Music Festival presents: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound An evening of electronic and experimental music Four spectacular, innovative, and mind-blowing performances from local = and out of state performers Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm (doors at 7:30pm) Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo (1512 N. 10th Street, Boise, ID) Price: $5 at the door Streamed to the Internet at: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click = "Listen") Schedule & Performers 8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook computer) 8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, electronics, looping) 9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and synthesizers) 10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian (guitars, notebook = computer, electronics, looping) For more info contact: Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or info@krispenhartung.com www.krispenhartung.com AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410 www.3shapesaikido.com ------=_NextPart_000_1A40_01C6C4A1.A22154F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello folks = -
 
I'll be streaming this one to = the internet=20 (see info below). Ted Killian and I play the last set of this = event.  This=20 is an electronic/experimental music series I'll be hosting three times a = year.
 
Kris
 
 
3 Shapes Aikido and the = Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival presents:

MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of=20 Sound
An evening of electronic and experimental=20 music

Four spectacular, innovative, and = mind-blowing=20 performances from local and out of state performers

Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm = (doors at=20 7:30pm)
Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo = (1512 N. 10th=20 Street, Boise, ID)
Price: $5 at the = door
Streamed to the Internet at: = http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen")
 
Schedule & = Performers
 
8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook=20 computer)
8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, = electronics,=20 looping)
9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and=20 synthesizers)
10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian = (guitars,=20 notebook computer, electronics, looping)

For more info = contact:

Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or info@krispenhartung.com
www.krispenhartung.com

AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410
www.3shapesaikido.com

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_1A40_01C6C4A1.A22154F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 04:59:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68E063BF19; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e9bImognCgAJCn4x5K7Eir7KrIE+enHlcxtv5jkNvolb9CE5UZe8jLRu5/wEK9yoeAOvi/RlE5wo12P+//qlaef/lslIMlPVzh0Ezb1kLcGo9Hw++CBsmadQ3SFXeFADIQGK/YKC76NFzmS8c9Vin5GHT9VRHYIxkKrSfrt+z2w= ; Message-ID: <20060821045913.51107.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Murchison Subject: Re: EVENT REMINDER: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - August 26 / 8pm To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1a4301c6c4d3$edf83c90$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 04:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Is the streaming going to be live only, or will it be available in some form for downloading later? I'd love to attend the show, but of course that's the same weekend as the Hood to Coast. Just my luck. Scott --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello folks - > > I'll be streaming this one to the internet (see info > below). Ted Killian and I play the last set of this > event. This is an electronic/experimental music > series I'll be hosting three times a year. > > Kris > > > 3 Shapes Aikido and the Boise Experimental Music > Festival presents: > MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound > An evening of electronic and experimental music > > Four spectacular, innovative, and mind-blowing > performances from local and out of state performers > > Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm (doors at 7:30pm) > Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo (1512 N. 10th Street, > Boise, ID) > Price: $5 at the door > Streamed to the Internet at: > http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen") > > Schedule & Performers > > 8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook computer) > 8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, electronics, > looping) > 9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and > synthesizers) > 10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian > (guitars, notebook computer, electronics, looping) > For more info contact: > > Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or > info@krispenhartung.com > www.krispenhartung.com > > AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410 > www.3shapesaikido.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 07:47:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7A0C3BF20; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=db4/91M6FHEG4+txtKUJ4rlKYIkV4qJsvJzt3/0yE9lJZaIK7mtPQ6ds0WfaHPB+c5oKiV/n8vHlDo14387v6piaVGNw59WHageZCxO90vaKlUNicE0Ho8mPus7cqN6hBeTkhT/los7gktvrNvXVFfmO8+PTf1OUD5uimykO3ec= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:47:49 +0200 From: "Pawel Janowski" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? In-Reply-To: <20060821033407.50229.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_76449_12770137.1156146469971" References: <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20060821033407.50229.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:47:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_76449_12770137.1156146469971 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What about AudioMulch? It won't allow you to generate and shape sounds like Max does, but it acts as a great VST host with some neat built in busses, matrices and mixers which will let you route VSTs however you like and activate these links through MIDI. (My first post here btw, hello!) On 8/21/06, mark sottilaro wrote: > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Chainer. If Chainer had the ability to put VST > > effects in parallel, shown > > horizontally in the same "link" of the chain, and if > > I could activate that > > "link" via MIDI, Chainer would amost do it for me. > > However, I contacted > > them, and you can't activate a VST effect via MIDI, > > only control the VST > > effects's parameters, presets, etc...that seems sort > > of ridiculous to me, > > Hm, is this something you could do by running Chainer > as a vst within Live? Also, live does allow you to do > some basic routing with stacks of vsts and effect > sends. Download the demo, it's free. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------=_Part_76449_12770137.1156146469971 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline What about AudioMulch? It won't allow you to generate and shape sounds like Max does, but it acts as a great VST host with some neat built in busses, matrices and mixers which will let you route VSTs however you like and activate these links through MIDI.

(My first post here btw, hello!)

On 8/21/06, mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net > wrote:

> Chainer. If Chainer had the ability to put VST
> effects in parallel, shown
> horizontally in the same "link" of the chain, and if
> I could activate that
> "link" via MIDI, Chainer would amost do it for me.
> However, I contacted
> them, and you can't activate a VST effect via MIDI,
> only control the VST
> effects's parameters, presets, etc...that seems sort
> of ridiculous to me,

Hm, is this something you could do by running Chainer
as a vst within Live?  Also, live does allow you to do
some basic routing with stacks of vsts and effect
sends.  Download the demo, it's free.

Mark

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------=_Part_76449_12770137.1156146469971-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 11:35:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C74C3BF3B; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060821113512380.5CC1B1C003E8@mwinf0804.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <387CF1B3-BEDB-498D-84C2-FBB329D95628@moregeometrico.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: gael Subject: RE201 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:35:11 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:35:13 +0000 (UTC) I saw that the Roland space Echo is listed as a looping tool. how to turn the RE201 into a lopper ? thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 11:39:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 146D83BF34; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Kj+bO5gCSLL9GKL75G2RhCQtvo7bhK+Gx7fmUREw18Kwweb5xFnnzT4YJj+bWH6Yt2bRY5UzaDTcKWBhixpWbHseK0Aa1VotCURpY5WSougd2IwUHT2uZPmAJEJhBzavq6NLeOq2WhiaVSUJMXAlxSQOejAd6f1mf10kfXSvrJE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <387CF1B3-BEDB-498D-84C2-FBB329D95628@moregeometrico.net> References: <387CF1B3-BEDB-498D-84C2-FBB329D95628@moregeometrico.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <479203F6-4274-43E3-AEA6-9A1251C1BB69@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RE201 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:39:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:39:46 +0000 (UTC) On 21 aug 2006, at 13.35, gael wrote: > I saw that the Roland space Echo is listed as a looping tool. > how to turn the RE201 into a lopper ? I once had a Roland Chorus Echo. It became a looper when I turned on the "Sound-On-Sound" button. I'm not sure the Space model has that s- o-s function. But if it has, that's it! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 12:30:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E71D3BF3D; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c6c51d$bcc9c0e0$402390d4@parsick> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <387CF1B3-BEDB-498D-84C2-FBB329D95628@moregeometrico.net> <479203F6-4274-43E3-AEA6-9A1251C1BB69@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RE201 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:28:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:30:45 +0000 (UTC) The S-O-S feature that allows endless (almost) overdubs is only on the RE-301. The 501 has an entirely different idea of what Sound On Sound means. Stephen, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: Re: RE201 > On 21 aug 2006, at 13.35, gael wrote: > > > I saw that the Roland space Echo is listed as a looping tool. > > how to turn the RE201 into a lopper ? > > > I once had a Roland Chorus Echo. It became a looper when I turned on > the "Sound-On-Sound" button. I'm not sure the Space model has that s- > o-s function. But if it has, that's it! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:07:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 262523BF3C; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:07:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: New live track uploaded Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, New live track uploaded. http://www.cavestudio.com/music/mp3/2006/060820_1.mp3 Live recorded at Pinija Club, Zadar,Croatia on 20th Sun Aug '06 [Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia] Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping) Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn) Vladimir Koncar (video installation) Sunao Inami (computer) Regards Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:27:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E04093BF3B; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x+7lpCo2gnFiUoallhEYSPbx8h3fDfmmc1okFJrRt6ZkX4bIj6vo+Ob8BH4IfThe0DPCNdTkfYkJiZXmuz/R+QcwrdrmTcboG6EcRvh6Xxu+vkeurfrXT726CSpL/Bw9NOiTg4lt1pPJGGqb/v8syAXjfdqz2obEvrc41JdSZEw= ; Message-ID: <20060821132657.70620.qmail@web34302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: video looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <193e01c6c478$20a0b340$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-523840361-1156166817=:70584" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:27:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-523840361-1156166817=:70584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I saw a performance last summer at a local freaky music festival of Bob Hebert, animator, and Bob Ostertag, music. Bob would sample stuff live sounds (kids toys mostly) and mangle them while Bob would did a live animation - he's draw one cell or put on object on his table, take a picture of it, then add to it, etc. and it kept looping; whenever he added a new cell, it would insert itself at the end of the loop. It was something that they had worked out before hand but there was still a lot of room to improvise. The overall theme is the 9/11 with policital overtones. They recorded it - "Betweeen Science and Garbage" and was released on John Zorn's Tzadik label. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews19/Between_Science_and_Garbage_DVD_Review.htm Great performance; never seen the dvd, though. ted harms. Krispen Hartung wrote: Speaking of video looping, I don't know if such a device exists, but an analog to something like a audio looper would be a machine that shoots video, plays iti back in real-time, but also allows you to keep recording video and super-imposing it over the top of the original video, and so on.....man, that would be a trip. The only thing I seen close to this is in my looping videos, where they had three cameras on me, and the producer in the studio was panning and fading from one camera to another, so you saw video superimposed on video, but it wasn't looping of course. Anyway, a real video looping machine would be cool...imagine multiplying with video, or reverse, half time, insert, etc.. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: OT: video looping > Do you think video looping is too off topic for Loopers Delight? > > I've been doing a series of loop videos in Sony Vegas (which is exactly > analogous to the way Sony ACID chops and manipulates audio loops) > using a very cheap Radio Shack digital camera that will only shoot > 30 second, very, very lo fi videos. > > I'm finally beginning to be a little frustrated by the 30 second > limitation > and am considering buying an inexpensive digital video camera > > Can anyone advise me on something that is either > 1) brand new and inexpensive but impressive in terms of quality? or > 2) something that is trailing edge technology that is still malleable and > of decent quality. > > I don't have very much money but I'm loving doing this work to accompany > my next cd of Abstract Electronica (that is heavily loop based but not > real time loop based), > "ORANGE" due on a DVD multi-media format in time for Y2k6. > > I appreciate the advice in advance. > > If people are offended by this post (for being off topic) please forgive > me and just write me > offlist. > > yours, Rick Walker > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --0-523840361-1156166817=:70584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I saw a performance last summer at a local freaky music festival of Bob Hebert, animator, and Bob Ostertag, music.  Bob would sample stuff live sounds (kids toys mostly) and mangle them while Bob would did a live animation - he's draw one cell or put on object on his table, take a picture of it, then add to it, etc. and it kept looping; whenever he added a new cell, it would insert itself at the end of the loop.
 
It was something that they had worked out before hand but there was still a lot of room to improvise.
 
The overall theme is the 9/11 with policital overtones.
 
They recorded it - "Betweeen Science and Garbage" and was released on John Zorn's Tzadik label.  http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews19/Between_Science_and_Garbage_DVD_Review.htm
 
Great performance; never seen the dvd, though.
 
 
ted harms.
 


Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Speaking of video looping, I don't know if such a device exists, but an
analog to something like a audio looper would be a machine that shoots
video, plays iti back in real-time, but also allows you to keep recording
video and super-imposing it over the top of the original video, and so
on.....man, that would be a trip. The only thing I seen close to this is in
my looping videos, where they had three cameras on me, and the producer in
the studio was panning and fading from one camera to another, so you saw
video superimposed on video, but it wasn't looping of course. Anyway, a
real video looping machine would be cool...imagine multiplying with video,
or reverse, half time, insert, etc..

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "loop.pool"
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:54 AM
Subject: OT: video looping


> Do you think video looping is too off topic for Loopers Delight?
>
> I've been doing a series of loop videos in Sony Vegas (which is exactly
> analogous to the way Sony ACID chops and manipulates audio loops)
> using a very cheap Radio Shack digital camera that will only shoot
> 30 second, very, very lo fi videos.
>
> I'm finally beginning to be a little frustrated by the 30 second
> limitation
> and am considering buying an inexpensive digital video camera
>
> Can anyone advise me on something that is either
> 1) brand new and inexpensive but impressive in terms of quality? or
> 2) something that is trailing edge technology that is still malleable and
> of decent quality.
>
> I don't have very much money but I'm loving doing this work to accompany
> my next cd of Abstract Electronica (that is heavily loop based but not
> real time loop based),
> "ORANGE" due on a DVD multi-media format in time for Y2k6.
>
> I appreciate the advice in advance.
>
> If people are offended by this post (for being off topic) please forgive
> me and just write me
> offlist.
>
> yours, Rick Walker
>
>





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Mail Beta. --0-523840361-1156166817=:70584-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:31:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07AA73BF48; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Zw/F/wZJtBGrY6U1/J/scf513PK9+iL/UoKHqefr6KeUtom15kj71lnOaqupl9+8XOaY0XkeBHzh2/NhEhBdunX6wsq+LGqq/S0VSVGVaka/OwXL6aTao7l740gqWTz9MBdYkdTNboFao7SMPEkCSHZFpeFHTDc0oD7L2hv0iJ4= In-Reply-To: <001a01c6c51d$bcc9c0e0$402390d4@parsick> References: <387CF1B3-BEDB-498D-84C2-FBB329D95628@moregeometrico.net> <479203F6-4274-43E3-AEA6-9A1251C1BB69@gmail.com> <001a01c6c51d$bcc9c0e0$402390d4@parsick> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <580FBE59-3571-4565-A138-394D2808027D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RE201 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:30:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:31:03 +0000 (UTC) On 21 aug 2006, at 14.28, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > The S-O-S feature that allows endless (almost) overdubs is only on the > RE-301. The 501 has an entirely different idea of what Sound On > Sound means. Then open it up and to see what may be done. I imagine you can temporarily turn it into a looper by covering the eraser head by something non-magnetic, for example a piece of paper. That worked for me when turning two big reel-to-reel tape machines into a looper (both machines working the same long tape loop) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:33:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CF6F3BF56; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1a7101c6c526$5b7b8a90$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060821045913.51107.qmail@web51010.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: EVENT REMINDER: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - August 26 / 8pm Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:33:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:33:19 +0000 (UTC) I'll be recording the performances too, and then make them available for download. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Murchison" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:59 PM Subject: Re: EVENT REMINDER: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - August 26 / 8pm > Is the streaming going to be live only, or will it be > available in some form for downloading later? I'd > love to attend the show, but of course that's the same > weekend as the Hood to Coast. Just my luck. > > Scott > > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Hello folks - >> >> I'll be streaming this one to the internet (see info >> below). Ted Killian and I play the last set of this >> event. This is an electronic/experimental music >> series I'll be hosting three times a year. >> >> Kris >> >> >> 3 Shapes Aikido and the Boise Experimental Music >> Festival presents: >> MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound >> An evening of electronic and experimental music >> >> Four spectacular, innovative, and mind-blowing >> performances from local and out of state performers >> >> Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm (doors at 7:30pm) >> Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo (1512 N. 10th Street, >> Boise, ID) >> Price: $5 at the door >> Streamed to the Internet at: >> http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen") >> >> Schedule & Performers >> >> 8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook computer) >> 8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, electronics, >> looping) >> 9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and >> synthesizers) >> 10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian >> (guitars, notebook computer, electronics, looping) >> For more info contact: >> >> Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or >> info@krispenhartung.com >> www.krispenhartung.com >> >> AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410 >> www.3shapesaikido.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:45:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2833BF3A; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=f3gE62Qn3+kWOpSMAdzWc+GokE+9emjKSbMf82gJhAZCRoqI4Dl6x4pZdNvD6Xol; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <23979161.1156167936990.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:45:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e8b29b9ad2abf3e4f402879cecb40bd5dd23305699636be7a9e73325ccb8caa3d09d0732f9142de3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 Resent-Message-ID: <9hiCgB.A.2kH.Ckb6EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:45:38 +0000 (UTC) I guess since a, we drifted to animation and b, this thing CAN loop and c, = odds are loop gadget folks might want to play with one of these(single fram= e recorders) anyway; maybe I can post this without being too too OT: http://www.animationtoolworks.com/products/products.html Donh -----Original Message----- >From: ditch wrestler >Sent: Aug 21, 2006 9:26 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: video looping > >I saw a performance last summer at a local freaky music festival of Bob He= bert, animator, and Bob Ostertag, music. Bob would sample stuff live sound= s (kids toys mostly) and mangle them while Bob would did a live animation -= he's draw one cell or put on object on his table, take a picture of it, th= en add to it, etc. and it kept looping; whenever he added a new cell, it wo= uld insert itself at the end of the loop. > =20 > It was something that they had worked out before hand but there was stil= l a lot of room to improvise. > =20 > The overall theme is the 9/11 with policital overtones. > =20 > They recorded it - "Betweeen Science and Garbage" and was released on Jo= hn Zorn's Tzadik label. http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews19/Between= _Science_and_Garbage_DVD_Review.htm > =20 > Great performance; never seen the dvd, though. > =20 > =20 > ted harms. > =20 > =20 > >Krispen Hartung wrote: > Speaking of video looping, I don't know if such a device exists, but an= =20 >analog to something like a audio looper would be a machine that shoots=20 >video, plays iti back in real-time, but also allows you to keep recording= =20 >video and super-imposing it over the top of the original video, and so=20 >on.....man, that would be a trip. The only thing I seen close to this is i= n=20 >my looping videos, where they had three cameras on me, and the producer in= =20 >the studio was panning and fading from one camera to another, so you saw= =20 >video superimposed on video, but it wasn't looping of course. Anyway, a=20 >real video looping machine would be cool...imagine multiplying with video,= =20 >or reverse, half time, insert, etc.. > >Kris > >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: "loop.pool"=20 >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)"=20 >Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 7:54 AM >Subject: OT: video looping > > >> Do you think video looping is too off topic for Loopers Delight? >> >> I've been doing a series of loop videos in Sony Vegas (which is exactly >> analogous to the way Sony ACID chops and manipulates audio loops) >> using a very cheap Radio Shack digital camera that will only shoot >> 30 second, very, very lo fi videos. >> >> I'm finally beginning to be a little frustrated by the 30 second=20 >> limitation >> and am considering buying an inexpensive digital video camera >> >> Can anyone advise me on something that is either >> 1) brand new and inexpensive but impressive in terms of quality? or >> 2) something that is trailing edge technology that is still malleable an= d >> of decent quality. >> >> I don't have very much money but I'm loving doing this work to accompany >> my next cd of Abstract Electronica (that is heavily loop based but not= =20 >> real time loop based), >> "ORANGE" due on a DVD multi-media format in time for Y2k6. >> >> I appreciate the advice in advance. >> >> If people are offended by this post (for being off topic) please forgive= =20 >> me and just write me >> offlist. >> >> yours, Rick Walker >> >>=20 > > > > > >"Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, an= d an end =97 but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard > =09=09 >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? > Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 13:47:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 003333BF56; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Stevenson" To: Subject: RE: RE201 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:47:27 +1000 Message-ID: <05d101c6c528$5d918760$0301010a@scur.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <001a01c6c51d$bcc9c0e0$402390d4@parsick> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Wavecomputer360 wrote: > The S-O-S feature that allows endless (almost) overdubs is only on the > RE-301. The 501 has an entirely different idea of what Sound > On Sound means. My 501 can do "endless" overdubbing. You just set the "single delay" switch to "repeat" and control the number of repetitions with the "intensity" control. There's some info on the differences between the models at: http://www.student.foi.hr/~rlogozar/mbsn1/AnalogSynthsRolandTapeEchoes.html It claims that the SOS head is placed differently on the 301 and that the 301 can't do multiple repeats. Cheers, Rick. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 14:51:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99533BF2B; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=EDgpx5XpoIPkXE86D4SRLCdrlmDviUJAkz5t2bOXKccPS1W9A63lXMi8ewJP0uUbfMN9kRrUbsv5UEqphBVyrxyKY9yILhLU12Ep9qKyAgCTv6m1WU1BL0wVcqP+RevTY64kFY2TW0nhekRbTLVW0oqS60LrsBxFfailMTe9oyM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:51:38 -0400 From: jacobs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP pot replacement! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45783_6154587.1156171898935" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:51:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_45783_6154587.1156171898935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have one of the older Oberheim whiteface EDP's and I need to replace the Input and Output pots. Does anyone on here know offhand what exact model these pots are, and if there might be a sturdier replacement available than the original spec'd pots? Thanks! Jacob ------=_Part_45783_6154587.1156171898935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have one of the older Oberheim whiteface EDP's and I need to replace the Input and Output pots. Does anyone on here know offhand what exact model these pots are, and if there might be a sturdier replacement available than the original spec'd pots?

Thanks!

Jacob
------=_Part_45783_6154587.1156171898935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 15:07:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 750993BF3F; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <41e.6f03170.321b2645@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:07:49 EDT Subject: Re: New live track uploaded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_41e.6f03170.321b2645_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:07:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_41e.6f03170.321b2645_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/21/06 9:07:51 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes: > http://www.cavestudio.com/music/mp3/2006/060820_1.mp3 >=20 > Live recorded at Pinija Club, Zadar,Croatia on 20th=A0 Sun Aug '06 >=20 > [Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia] >=20 thnaks sunao!.....is it a fun tour?.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_41e.6f03170.321b2645_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/21/06 9:07:51 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes:


http://www.cavestudio= .com/music/mp3/2006/060820_1.mp3

Live recorded at Pinija Club, Zadar,Croatia on 20th=A0 Sun Aug '06

[Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia]


thnaks sunao!.....is it a fun tour?.....michael



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--part1_41e.6f03170.321b2645_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 16:36:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF5F23BF3B; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <28789ec955daaf68b064e34002adbe5f@tuckertota.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tucker Tota Subject: EHX 16 Second Modification Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:33:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Someone recently replied to one of my questions and told me of a modification to the EHX 16 Digital Delay Re-issue. They sent me a link to an older post: http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200512/ msg00005.html I was wondering if anybody knows if they are still doing these modifications. I wrote to EHX, and they haven't replied yet, but I'm kind of short on time and need to know which looper to buy. If I can't get this modification done, I won't have any need for the "16 Second" I can get one from a friend for cheap, and it would save me a lot from buying a brand new looper for twice or three times the price. Thanks, Javier Puga From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 17:13:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F2D3BF36; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:10:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EHX 16 Second Modification In-Reply-To: <28789ec955daaf68b064e34002adbe5f@tuckertota.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <0jiBw.A.4fG.hme6EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:13:05 +0000 (UTC) I sent mine in to NYC last winter. Took them a few weeks ot get it together (I think I was one fo the first upgrades) but as far as I know they are still doing them. There certainly is no reason they wouldn't be able to as they have all the parts and such and it's a simple fix. I actually called them a few times before it was all set so email isn't the fastest way to get a response. I don't have their # handy but I'm sure someone on this list can post it or ask Ron Neeley: http://electroharmonix.ronsound.com/ Good luck. On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Tucker Tota wrote: > Hello, > > Someone recently replied to one of my questions and told me of a > modification to the EHX 16 Digital Delay Re-issue. They sent me a link > to an older post: > > http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200512/ > msg00005.html > > I was wondering if anybody knows if they are still doing these > modifications. I wrote to EHX, and they haven't replied yet, but I'm > kind of short on time and need to know which looper to buy. If I can't > get this modification done, I won't have any need for the "16 Second" > > I can get one from a friend for cheap, and it would save me a lot from > buying a brand new looper for twice or three times the price. > > Thanks, > > Javier Puga > -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 21:15:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DDD43BF3B; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b401c6c566$e8980210$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: Subject: Video Looping video art etc.... Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:15:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C6C577.AB883B90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:15:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C6C577.AB883B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My turn, to address Ricks original question... nope it dont matter what = DV camera you get... I have a 40,000 krone (hmm what that in dollars... = about 6257 i guess??) Sony HD DV and a Panasonic domestic that I bought = at an airport 10 years ago... both are fine, in fact the crap one rocks, = especially at (an this is where I move back to where this thread has got = to) video feedback... the dirtyier the camer the better! The camera chip = needs some noise to pick up on and loop back on itself. Yes Jitter(Max/MSP). is the toy you need for video looping of course a = regular "overdub" as Kris was thinking about, doesnt really work, or = rather it gets full messy quickly you have to feedback into the live = video with some kind of mix or "blend mode" Add subtrack multiply... . I have made a bunch of Jitter tools for looping video, One is thing I = called the video sequencer, and I've made anout 40 of them with = different flavours...Heres the peach Melba flavour... this one will loop = a video file you select, and at a pinch live video. Then.. it accepts a = midi clock in, and does some stretching effects at the speed of the midi = clock... The magic is that there is FOUR of these at different divisions = of the midi clock... confused... yeah well I was too so I stopped doinf = it an I became alot better thank you Doctor... . anyone with Max wanna = take a look... here it is... = http://markfrancombe.com/public_html/TEMP/vidcomplete2.mxb and YES you = need Max/Masp WITH Jitter to see it (altho ALL are available as a free = download , that last 30 days or so, till it runs out... I dont even have = a copy anymore and I cant find a c***k. (AND I forgot to add a quicktime = record module to most of them so If I open them in the runtime = non-editable version of Max can only play with them, not actually = PRODUCE anything... anyone wanna fix this for me??? Video Looping was first done in the 60's, I would guess about 5 minutes = after video was invented, Nam June Paik in one of his many escapades = took over a TV studio and directed things, one cited thing is long = streams of tape winding around the studio and into other video machines = (yes video was on reel to reel then) But to say he was an early = protagonist of Synesthetic visual art is wrong. Anally speaking Louis = Castell designed what became know as a Light Organ in 1720! You may read = my student essay on the subject here... = http://www.markfrancombe.com/text/synethesia.htm Video Synths were indeed a big thing in the 70's check out = http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vsynths.htm But the best stuff = I have ever seen is the work of Steven Jones from the LOOPING = (hurrah... made it!) group Severed Heads.. Now if none of you have heard = them... try to... I only have Vinyl but they did some graet stuff on 8 = track tapeloops. hmm now wheres my Amiga...? mark mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C6C577.AB883B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My turn,  to address Ricks = original=20 question... nope it dont matter what DV camera you get... I have a = 40,000 krone=20 (hmm what that in dollars...  about 6257 i guess??) Sony HD DV and = a=20 Panasonic domestic that I bought at an airport 10 years ago... both are = fine, in=20 fact the crap one rocks, especially at (an this is where I move back to = where=20 this thread has got to) video feedback... the dirtyier the camer the = better! The=20 camera chip needs some noise to pick up on and loop back on = itself.
 
Yes Jitter(Max/MSP).  is the toy = you need=20 for video looping of course a regular "overdub" as Kris was thinking = about,=20 doesnt really work, or rather it gets full messy quickly you have to = feedback=20 into the live video with some kind of mix or "blend mode" Add subtrack=20 multiply... .
 
I have made a bunch of Jitter tools = for looping=20 video, One is thing I called the video sequencer, and I've made anout 40 = of them=20 with different flavours...Heres the peach Melba flavour... this one = will=20 loop a video file you select, and at a pinch live video. Then.. it = accepts a=20 midi clock in, and does some stretching effects at the speed of the midi = clock... The magic is that there is FOUR of these at different divisions = of the=20 midi clock... confused... yeah well I was too so I stopped doinf it an I = became=20 alot better thank you Doctor... . anyone with Max wanna take a look... = here it=20 is... http:= //markfrancombe.com/public_html/TEMP/vidcomplete2.mxb=20 and YES you need Max/Masp WITH Jitter to see it (altho ALL are available = as a=20 free download , that last 30 days or so, till it runs out... I dont even = have a=20 copy anymore and I cant find a c***k. (AND I forgot to add a quicktime = record=20 module to most of them so If I open them in the runtime non-editable = version of=20 Max can only play with them, not actually PRODUCE anything... anyone = wanna fix=20 this for me???
 
Video Looping was first done in = the 60's, I=20 would guess about 5 minutes after video was invented, Nam June Paik in = one of=20 his many escapades took over a TV studio and directed things, one = cited=20 thing is long streams of tape winding around the studio and into other = video=20 machines (yes video was on reel to reel then) But to say he was an early = protagonist of Synesthetic visual art is wrong. Anally speaking Louis = Castell=20 designed what became know as a Light Organ in 1720! You may read my = student=20 essay on the subject here... http://www.markfrancombe.com/text/synethesia.htm
 
Video Synths were indeed a big = thing in the=20 70's check out http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vsynths.htm But the best stuff I have ever seen is the work of = Steven Jones from the LOOPING  (hurrah... made it!) group = Severed=20 Heads.. Now if none of you have heard them... try to... I only have = Vinyl but=20 they did some graet stuff on 8 track = tapeloops.
 
hmm  now wheres my = Amiga...?
 
mark
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01C6C577.AB883B90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 21:45:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A4D33BF2B; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EA2967.20505@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:45:11 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Looping video art etc.... References: <00b401c6c566$e8980210$5a01a8c0@mark> In-Reply-To: <00b401c6c566$e8980210$5a01a8c0@mark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Just wanted to say this is all SUPER interesting, thanks to everyone for the history lessons and current setups concerning video looping. LD is fairly specific on the front page about being about music looping, so I guess it doesn't necessarily fit, but I think a new page there wouldn't be a bad idea, even if just to hold some of the links, artists and tools already discussed. Thoughts? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 22:56:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58E183BF39; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: <591.59c8bc00.321b9431@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:56:49 EDT Subject: Re: Video Looping video art etc.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1156201009" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5012 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:56:52 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1156201009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 21/08/2006 22:15:56 GMT Standard Time, mark@markfrancombe.com writes: Severed Heads Mark thanks for that reminder. Good stuff. Of course there's Framestein and GEM that work with PD Which some might find useful freeware alternatives to MAX/Jitter. re cameras it's about having textures and using them and of course experimenting. As long it's got both DV in and out it's fine. Mark _http://www.geocities.com/sarge_art_ (http://www.geocities.com/sarge_art) http://marksargeant.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------1156201009 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 21/08/2006 22:15:56 GMT Standard Time,=20 mark@markfrancombe.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DVerdana color=3D#000000=20 size=3D3>Severed Heads
Mark
 
thanks for that reminder. Good stuff. Of course there's Framestein and=20= GEM=20 that work with PD Which some might find useful freeware alternatives to=20 MAX/Jitter.
 
re cameras it's about having textures and using them and of course=20 experimenting. As long it's got both DV in and out it's fine.
 
Mark
 
http://www.geocities.com/sarge_a= rt

http://marksargeant.blogspot.com/
-------------------------------1156201009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 23:05:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 917013BF2F; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00b401c6c566$e8980210$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <00b401c6c566$e8980210$5a01a8c0@mark> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:05:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: Video Looping video art etc.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:05:40 +0000 (UTC) At 11:15 PM +0200 8/21/06, markfrancombe.com wrote: > >Video Synths were indeed a big thing in the 70's check out >http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vsynths.htm But >the best stuff I have ever seen is the work of Steven Jones from the >LOOPING (hurrah... made it!) group Severed Heads.. Now if none of >you have heard them... try to... I only have Vinyl but they did some >graet stuff on 8 track tapeloops. You're spot on as usual, Mark. But since you've mentioned Severed Heads, you might try checking out http://www.sevcom.com . Yes, Tom Ellard not only has a presence up on the Net, but he has been making the Severed Heads catalogue available for free (streaming) and purchase (download) for quite a few years now -- even pre-dating the the iTunes wave, cutting-edge guy that he is. I'd agree regarding their visuals. Although I photographed them back in the eighties, and their visuals were quite similar in style to those used by Chris & Cosey, Psychic TV, & SPK. I wonder if the same person/people subbed out work to some of those other groups too. > hmm now wheres my Amiga...? Toasters rock!!!! :) --m. -- _______ "I'm wasting time worrying about wasting time." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 21 23:45:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5ED83BF23; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <44EA45BA.000003.01576@SONY500> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:46:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_QOGDG6G0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (5002253) From: "Sony Felberg" References: X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 To: Subject: Re: New live track uploaded Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 23:45:53 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_QOGDG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's cool. =0D =0D Is the horn a Miles Davis sample for the movie sound track....I forget th= e movie's name....it was Spanish? =0D =0D Sony=0D =0D Thank you,=0D Sony Felberg=0D AIM or Yahoo: "LooperSDF"=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Sunao Inami=0D Date: 08/21/06 06:07:51=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: New live track uploaded=0D =0D Hi LD,=0D =0D New live track uploaded.=0D =0D http://www.cavestudio.com/music/mp3/2006/060820_1.mp3=0D =0D Live recorded at Pinija Club, Zadar,Croatia on 20th Sun Aug '06=0D =0D [Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia]=0D =0D Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping)=0D Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn)=0D Vladimir Koncar (video installation)=0D Sunao Inami (computer)=0D =0D Regards=0D =0D Sunao=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_QOGDG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's cool.
 
Is the horn a Miles Davis sample for the movie sound track....I forg= et the movie's name....it was Spanish? 
 
 Sony
 
Thank you,
Sony Felberg
AIM or Yahoo: "LooperSDF"
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/21/06 06:= 07:51
Subject: New live = track uploaded
 
Hi LD,
 
New live track uploaded.
 
 
Live recorded at Pinija Club, Zadar,Croatia on 20th  Sun A= ug '06
 
[Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia]
 
Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping)
Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn)
Vladimir Koncar (video installation)
Sunao Inami (computer)
 
  Regards
 
  Sunao
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 02:10:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10CA73BF1D; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--335756659 Message-Id: <6d440f1a164c40f5a3ff2138ce8cd7f1@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: New live track uploaded Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:09:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:09:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--335756659 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hey gang! If you wanna see a keyboard setup to end all keyboard setups, check out cavestudio.com (Sony's music is from there). Yikes! It's in the studio's equipment list. http://www.cavestudio.com/ richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Aug-06, at 6:07 AM, Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi LD, > > New live track uploaded. > > http://www.cavestudio.com/music/mp3/2006/060820_1.mp3 > > Live recorded at Pinija Club, Zadar,Croatia on 20th Sun Aug '06 > > [Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia] > > Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping) > Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn) > Vladimir Koncar (video installation) > Sunao Inami (computer) > > Regards > > Sunao > --Apple-Mail-1--335756659 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang! If you wanna see a keyboard setup to end all keyboard setups, check out cavestudio.com (Sony's music is from there). Yikes! It's in the studio's equipment list. http://www.cavestudio.com/ Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 21-Aug-06, at 6:07 AM, Sunao Inami wrote: Hi LD, New live track uploaded. http://www.cavestudio.com/music/mp3/2006/060820_1.mp3 Live recorded at Pinija Club, Zadar,Croatia on 20th Sun Aug '06 [Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia] Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping) Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn) Vladimir Koncar (video installation) Sunao Inami (computer) Regards Sunao --Apple-Mail-1--335756659-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 05:28:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6AD43BF23; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hOKw/RZL+OGw/iRU3KHY827mtmejzZJh354bZ4BxVDky9v0q8W2WUYyXBSBhW8pdBOAkpxPADgSn1pWr1t+xWNOMV69C5/XSRAZyMb3DnBWbYtctzm+vzrWzRZO/QKD50qnXIjkUQTibsRWZ0o4NqOQVtRmk44rkaiOaAEkM/UA= ; Message-ID: <20060822052821.79001.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Video Looping video art etc.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey! http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vidsynth/sherman/sherman.htm That was my college video/media professor! Great guy. Very interesting and amazingly knowledgable. This post me miss my crazy college video days... Anyone hear of the Creamery in upstate NY? Really cool video co-op. I went to a party there and I swear there had to be 50 cameras and 6 video toasters running with amazing visuals being produced live. Good times. It was halloween and I was a blank raster. (white sweats I speckled with a sharpie and a transistor radio tuned in between stations in my pants) --- mech wrote: > At 11:15 PM +0200 8/21/06, markfrancombe.com wrote: > > > >Video Synths were indeed a big thing in the 70's > check out > >http://www.audiovisualizers.com/toolshak/vsynths.htm > But > >the best stuff I have ever seen is the work of > Steven Jones from the > >LOOPING (hurrah... made it!) group Severed Heads.. > Now if none of > >you have heard them... try to... I only have Vinyl > but they did some > >graet stuff on 8 track tapeloops. > > You're spot on as usual, Mark. But since you've > mentioned Severed > Heads, you might try checking out > http://www.sevcom.com . Yes, Tom > Ellard not only has a presence up on the Net, but he > has been making > the Severed Heads catalogue available for free > (streaming) and > purchase (download) for quite a few years now -- > even pre-dating the > the iTunes wave, cutting-edge guy that he is. > > I'd agree regarding their visuals. Although I > photographed them back > in the eighties, and their visuals were quite > similar in style to > those used by Chris & Cosey, Psychic TV, & SPK. I > wonder if the same > person/people subbed out work to some of those other > groups too. > > > hmm now wheres my Amiga...? > > Toasters rock!!!! :) > > --m. > -- > _______ > "I'm wasting time worrying about wasting time." > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 10:21:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768C93BF25; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:21:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [OT]web cast from Croatia on 24th Aug. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <6WldKB.A.0p.Drt6EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, We will do live streaming from Zagreb. meet you on the net. URL is: http://www.revolucija.hr/trianguli [Trianguli Zona & Sunao Inami Summer Tour in Croatia] Live at Museum of arts and crafts Trg marsala Tita 10,Zagreb tel : 091 16 85 795 Ivan Kapec (guitar, looping) Andrej Jakus (trumpet, flugelhorn) Vladimir Koncar (video installation) Sunao Inami (computer) 21:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in Europe/Zagreb converts to = 20:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in Europe/London = 04:00:00 Friday August 25, 2006 in Asia/Tokyo = 15:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in America/New_York = 12:00:00 Thursday August 24, 2006 in America/Los_Angeles The World Clock - Time Zones http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ Regards Sunao From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 22 23:14:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859D63BF34; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TG0Hmp0O4vf//WfrBER6CKgdTv6Pgh8iFeA7POq9hTUkB4asx5wyxfQJMi+G4sFTOiH1kCWCPvNNlAUaqR9ZRUTPLqFe25O+tLtxb0SjNk95hPT91YLVscbaHZcE3BXtRheHGchtYttWqSlzwe/Gdt2aY6X1cOMF6IOd0D/Mv5c= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 19:14:20 -0400 From: jacobs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP pot replacement? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_76964_12983480.1156288460367" Resent-Message-ID: <01wnE.A.VVG.O_46EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:14:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_76964_12983480.1156288460367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry if this is a double post. I have one of the older Oberheim whiteface EDP's and I need to replace the Input and Output pots. Does anyone on here know offhand what exact model these pots are, and if there might be a sturdier replacement available than the original spec'd pots? Thanks! Jacob ------=_Part_76964_12983480.1156288460367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sorry if this is a double post.

I have one of the older Oberheim whiteface EDP's and I need to replace the Input and Output pots. Does anyone on here know offhand what exact model these pots are, and if there might be a sturdier replacement available than the original spec'd pots?

Thanks!

Jacob ------=_Part_76964_12983480.1156288460367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 00:43:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F9A3BF39; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Oou56zEFCwsBfgjiWdBbcoEtYXsa5CTURjvqjVyOZ3xSJxsOQBRPqO9LheYAgULqRjW4A1MpnDOSQFCSww+rxWUmwih+JCuuU+I4yh39GAG4WQe++HH8wZQENyfwQLMx10QNBz2wSm7ef5jp3Z02fbJvDiP+vrckch5M+8drbzQ= ; Message-ID: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: repeater question To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_NusqC.A.ro.ZS66EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:43:05 +0000 (UTC) looking into maybe getting a repeater, but there's one thing i can't get straight from reading reviews. there seems to be some conflicting information out there. does this thing have the ability to slow a loop down like a tape, meaning change tempo affecting pitch? this is a crucial aspect for me. most reviews or spec lists don't mention it, but someone on harmony central says it does that. someone help clear this up, please. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 00:54:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39B53BF41; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Sxcm2vp5CR7Iqx8ZEhVjHLFRLxyCsAFFnoUueLzTbBeQJ9APbWrA98vDFAfJ5OUX4z+kBEMUzzxvaSnJjPEKruisrhoi6IIozCYMxPPfGfbLKslZ9r8ejcCptGy3xR+sWvIXgvaG81oXaWS0KnMiomRG7vRheSsqWGnZaSCu5j0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:54:00 -0700 From: "Grayson Pitcher" To: loopers-delight Subject: Sampling machine ES-1? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_82378_26230949.1156294440919" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:54:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_82378_26230949.1156294440919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does this have an input and output capability so that I can run it through my guitar effects chain. Are these better than the Boss SP-202 or SP-303. I am looking into getting either one of the Korgs or the BOSS units but I was wondering what unit was better? All I want to do is run this through my guitar effects chain and use the sampling option to record different sounds such as a door closing or whatever and use these samples when playing live. I don't really need all the features of the Korg but if it has better sound quality then I would prefer to go with it? Does anyone have any more options maybe........All I need is a cheap sampler with mic/record capability and guitar in/out. ------=_Part_82378_26230949.1156294440919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does this have an input and output capability so that I can run it through my guitar effects chain. Are these better than the Boss SP-202 or SP-303. I am looking into getting either one of the Korgs or the BOSS units but I was wondering what unit was better?

All I want to do is run this through my guitar effects chain and use the sampling option to record different sounds such as a door closing or whatever and use these samples when playing live. I don't really need all the features of the Korg but if it has better sound quality then I would prefer to go with it? Does anyone have any more options maybe........All I need is a cheap sampler with mic/record capability and guitar in/out.
------=_Part_82378_26230949.1156294440919-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 02:00:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F17393BF40; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,157,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="284793769:sNHT51086472" X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,157,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="263106230:sNHT24132468" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:42:40 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Immersions:Music and Video Improvisation, 09.09.06 119 Gallery , Lowell MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090203.44EBB595.0043,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=207.172.4.11, so=2006-05-09 23:27:51, dmn=5.2.4/2006-05-04 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm delighted to announce the next Immersions event, which will happen on Sept. 9 at 119 Gallery in Lowell, MA. The last event there was exciting and enjoyed by all -- do check this one out. The lineup Doctor T -- Video Improvisation Dean (Deknow) Stiglitz Electro Flute Ramona Herboldsheimer - Hammered Dulcimer Bob McCloskey -- Reeds and Percussion I'm joining three of my favorite musical coconspirators in our first Immersion show of the fall season. The music will be a blend of jazz, exploratory ambience, and abstract improvisation, and we expect a mind-stretching synergy of music and visuals. 119 Gallery (http://www.119gallery.org) is a splendid, bright performance space located at 119 Chelmsford Street in Lowell, phone 978-452-8138 . Suggested donation is $5.00 -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 02:22:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6653BF3F; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:20:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: repeater question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120fc1b3e1575befe6d23eaffebb3c9eadacdcfa98ac350b77d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.254.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 02:22:51 +0000 (UTC) In Repeater OS version 1.1 you can reduce the tempo by a certain amount and if you lower the pitch by the same fraction you can run the repeater at a different speed and pithch without the artifact... (OS 1.0 would glitch even at half-speed and otave-down combitnations), however it is pretty worthless in a live situation unless you have some MIDI device programmed to take care of the two functions simultaneously. THe Electro harmonix 2880 will behave exactly like tape and it has a single knob to vary the 'tape speed'. THe EH 16 second delay will do the same. >looking into maybe getting a repeater, but there's one >thing i can't get straight from reading reviews. >there seems to be some conflicting information out >there. does this thing have the ability to slow a >loop down like a tape, meaning change tempo affecting >pitch? this is a crucial aspect for me. most reviews >or spec lists don't mention it, but someone on harmony >central says it does that. someone help clear this >up, please. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 04:53:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF0023BF3A; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:52:49 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Subject: remix contest deadline/samplepack sale In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060725074723.01c90ad0@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <44EBDF21.6060900@andrew-duke.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <20060725022707.2E2763BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060725074723.01c90ad0@tiscali.co.uk> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 SeaMonkey/1.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Loopers: Just a reminder re: the Consumer vs. User remix contest: The deadline for getting your entry in is next Thursday August 31 noon Atlantic Standard Time. So if you're finishing up your remix or haven't gotten around to starting it yet, please make sure you get it into Stratagem Musik by the deadline; info here: http://andrew-duke.com/contests.html Grand prize is a copy of NI's Reaktor 5. And if any of you are interested, my Chain Reaction downloadable samplepack (available as 606 exclusive 24bit WAV or Apple Loops) is on sale for $9.50 (regular price $29.50) until September 1: http://audiobase.com/product/SACR -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://cognitionaudioworks.com http://myspace.com/cognitionaudioworks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 05:41:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9AF3BF3D; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kHHE+b0ZISPCieMCC0Cpa95R9A6QmqKX9DNAmpZtvoW0JCVtRSs+SX4dnUyAi39yK7IVx7tXIvMq4BBRT0kvKHezLyzjfGX/WPJEOVNaUHKWPzI8rRQdCOykc1bks5ZgskqVwMC/47EiXypwoE/3zb2C386QZecrr+eBe1p9kyw= ; Message-ID: <20060823054111.64328.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT: New AER Amp for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <784a6bff830eb1b9c7d1fa5e4384df88@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1430976611-1156311671=:64066" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_G2ob.A.CqD.3p-6EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:41:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1430976611-1156311671=:64066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please check out my good friend www.tommyemmanuel.com I have had the express opportunity to take seminars with him and jam with him as well. He is a very sweet spirit and has a heart of gold and technically plays beyond phenomenal!!!! You just cannot hardly believe your eyes let alone your ears with many of the things he pulls off. Peace and happy joyous practicing!!!!! Daniel T. Albertini,- Albertini Guitar Works- Richard Sales wrote: Say! My friend Rufus (Rufus Guitars) is selling a new AER Compact 60 amp for S1,444 Canadian. Haven't heard it, don't know beans about it... but I'm betting it sounds good based on how good their bass amps sound. Lists for $1600 CDN. He's going out of business and selling his stock. In Victoria, B.C. Canada See it here: http://www.rufusguitars.com/forsale.htm Tell him Richard Sales sent you. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that >> I am >> not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? > > I have one of these on order: > > http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html > > It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I > don't > like it. > > What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker? > > 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ. > 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range > (in exchange for loss of efficiency). > 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete. > > The reviews I've been able to find on the web are glowing. We shall > see. > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1430976611-1156311671=:64066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please check out my good friend www.tommyemmanuel.com
I have had the express opportunity to take seminars with him and jam with him as well.  He is a very sweet spirit and has a heart of gold and technically plays beyond phenomenal!!!!  You just cannot hardly believe your eyes let alone your ears with many of the things he pulls off.  Peace and happy joyous practicing!!!!! Daniel T. Albertini,- Albertini Guitar Works-

Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Say! My friend Rufus (Rufus Guitars) is selling a new AER Compact 60
amp for S1,444 Canadian. Haven't heard it, don't know beans about
it... but I'm betting it sounds good based on how good their bass amps
sound. Lists for $1600 CDN. He's going out of business and selling
his stock.

In Victoria, B.C. Canada

See it here:
http://www.rufusguitars.com/forsale.htm

Tell him Richard Sales sent you.
richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 11-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Koenig wrote:

>> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that
>> I am
>> not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker?
>
> I have one of these on order:
>
> http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html
>
> It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I
> don't
> like it.
>
> What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker?
>
> 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ.
> 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range
> (in exchange for loss of efficiency).
> 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete.
>
> The reviews I've been able to find on the web are glowing. We shall
> see.
>
>
>


Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --0-1430976611-1156311671=:64066-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 06:21:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 672073BF3C; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c6c67c$6777b2e0$0401010a@ritchie> From: "Ritchie" To: References: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: repeater question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:51:40 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:21:37 +0000 (UTC) With the repeater, if you slow it down; it maintains the original pitch BUT you have the option to pitchshift it down 2 octaves also! Best of both worlds :-) Ritchie http://murdergrin.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael sintros" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: repeater question > looking into maybe getting a repeater, but there's one > thing i can't get straight from reading reviews. > there seems to be some conflicting information out > there. does this thing have the ability to slow a > loop down like a tape, meaning change tempo affecting > pitch? this is a crucial aspect for me. most reviews > or spec lists don't mention it, but someone on harmony > central says it does that. someone help clear this > up, please. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 06:26:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C4313BF39; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060823062628583.8E5007000095@mwinf1308.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: gael Subject: Zoom G2 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:26:30 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi, is the zoom G2 a "real" looper tool? thanks ps, to Per : i'll try to cover the erase head of the RE201, it seems to be a good idea, thanks a lot. Gael / http://www.moregeometrico.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 07:53:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748253BF34; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 00:53:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <8ejBkB.A.0YG.AmA7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Tonight I'm drinking: Old Crustacean http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/132/2965 What a great brew....but not what I'm posting about...what does beer=20 have to do with looping? So, I've put together a patch for looping in Max/MSP and made it so I=20 think it works as a standalone application....four stereo loopers with=20= varispeed stuff..... It is not very developed, mouse only, midi to come, but I'm curious if=20= it works on other machines, or only mine....I'm very new at this and=20 just having fun so don't know.... please try it and let me know it it works, or not.....that is, if you=20 use a mac....might not work on the new ones. No docs, hopefully it might be self-explanatory. http://jeffkaiser.com/software.html cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 07:55:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0488A3BF42; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: repeater question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:55:49 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001401c6c689$8d001590$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcbGTR23jrg9aQoDRO2Ob2fW3LkJPAAO0FYQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:55:57 +0000 (UTC) On the repeater you can adjust the following: 1. pitch of each individual track (or for all tracks together) without affecting tempo ("pitch shift") 2. tempo for all four tracks together without affecting pitch ("time stretch") 3. tape-like combination of pitch and tempo for all 4 tracks together (doubling the tempo doubles the pitch - "varispeed") 1-3 can be adjusted independently and (more or less) fine-tuned. However, while 1 and 2 can be adjusted on the front panel (2 by turning the "tempo" knob, 1 by first pressing "edit/pitch" and then turning the "tempo" knob), 3 cannot. 1-3 can be adjusted using MIDI, and that's what I do. The varispeed works quite flawlessly and without any artifacts I've noticed (talking OS 1.1 here) and is a very powerful feature of the Repeater. Rainer > looking into maybe getting a repeater, but there's one thing > i can't get straight from reading reviews. > there seems to be some conflicting information out there. > does this thing have the ability to slow a loop down like a > tape, meaning change tempo affecting pitch? this is a > crucial aspect for me. most reviews or spec lists don't > mention it, but someone on harmony central says it does that. > someone help clear this up, please. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 08:20:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B74F3BF45; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c6c68d$1afaf2e0$87a3fe91@parsick> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Repeater CFC question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:09:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I know this question has been asked many times before but I didn´t want to dive into the archive. I bought a new Sandisk 512 mb CFC for my Repeater recently I don´t seem to get the Repeater to record on it. After two or three seconds the display reads "card too slow" although I chose a CFC with a 2gb data stream (a quicker one didn´t work, either). My four-year old 128mb CFC I bought shortly after I acquired the Repeater works flawlessly. Any recommendations? Storing and processing patches I recorded using the internal memory is no problem with the new CFC, but recording directly on the CFC in order to overcome the limitations of the internal memory size doesn´t work. This is somewhat nasty, especially I can´t keep returning CFCs to the store I bought them at... Thanks, Stephen. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 08:45:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 316FE3BF35; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JxKlvxuzsEfxI8Ved6RB1C/5WRMGBFnWpMNkIhf7QDGAiNyNsZe7k1qfv2/rfpSPvUYorcXR58gtNn74MTQnAP6h3K8KemRD4jcCayj3lJUFVyZlo4Po54FvrGwCrIIHOoAeD8ka7qz4grZfO+Nw/ugKh5ocqJ5Nz1Bef+e/YO4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--225644185 Message-Id: <75F72568-EF26-405B-A9C6-7C304784C2DC@gmail.com> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: repeater question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:44:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:45:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--225644185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 23 aug 2006, at 02.43, michael sintros wrote: > does this thing have the ability to slow a > loop down like a tape, meaning change tempo affecting > pitch? Yes, it can. There is a function letting you assign a MIDI CC so it will both lower the tempo and the pitch at the same time. This sounds exactly as slowing down a vinyl record or big reel tape machine. When I had a repeater, some years ago, I liked to play that function from a MIDI Expression foot pedal. If you play any kind or "non-abstract" music you may also want to combine that function with a MIDI push- button that normalizes the setting. Otherwise it's rather difficult to get it back in sync ;-)) Indeed a powerful function! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-1--225644185 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 23 aug 2006, at = 02.43, michael sintros wrote:

does this thing have the = ability to slow a

loop down like a tape, meaning change tempo = affecting

pitch?=A0


Yes, it=A0 can. There is a = function letting you assign a MIDI CC so it will both lower the tempo = and the pitch at the same time. This sounds exactly as slowing down a = vinyl record or big reel tape machine. When I had a repeater, some years = ago, I liked to play that function from a MIDI Expression foot pedal. If = you play any kind or "non-abstract" music you may also want to combine = that function with a MIDI push-button that normalizes the setting. = Otherwise it's rather difficult to get it back in sync ;-))=A0 =A0Indeed = a powerful function!

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)


=

= --Apple-Mail-1--225644185-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 09:03:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 636FE3BF3A; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <24227.195.68.31.231.1156323793.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: tapedelay records motor buzz From: "roel" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: q-mailing-list@xs4all.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:03:16 +0000 (UTC) well, update and some questions left. now that i got my somewhat vintage H-H tape echo, i am sorting out the problems on this old unit, and try to fix them. i have resoldered the erase head, since it instantly removes all sound from the tape now and then, i noticed the cable leading to this head was loose. i have intensively cleaned the in- and output jack connectors, tightened loose screws and adjusted the tape speed do-not-adjust pot to its default settings (someone had turned it anyhow).. the tape which lays on the unit has now broken two times, the felt pads etc seem just a little dirty, and are not damaged in any way. the rubber pinch roller which pushes against the capstan is totally dried out and is damaged too, like it has all kinds of scratches in it. before the tape breakes i noticed it to curl a little... i.e. in the aluminium tape container the tape isnt exactly at its side, but it starts bending to the side, and eventually laying almost flat in the container. finally the tape starts running less smooth and finally breaks when it winds around the capstan. i guess this is caused by the dried out pinch roller? now left is one artifarct, the motor buzz, which seems to get recorded on the tape, even when running the unit without any input signal. can this be caused by the dried out pinch roller? i have ordered a new frontpanel and a maintenance set, which should include different kinds of felt and a new pinch roller. since i'm getting REALLY enthousiastic on real analog tape and looping, i'll be picking up a tape recorder too soon :) see what i can do with two tapedevices looped.. best, roel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 11:46:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 537093BF3E; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c101c6c6a9$baaf4860$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <00b401c6c566$e8980210$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: VIDEO LOOPING Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 04:46:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:46:09 +0000 (UTC) What a wonderful reply to my letter, Mark. Thanks so much for all that information. You know on the eve of receiving my new camera (I found a great price on the miniDV CANON ZR 500 that was in my price range) I just spent a couple of hours tonight making a video with a keyring toy digital camera that measures 2 1/4" X 1 1/2" X 1/2" and cost me all of $12(USD) online. I discovered tonight that it serves as a very primitive webcam and that I can record in real time into Sony Vegas Video.................so I made a self portrait video and some music to accompany it called 'Das Ich' (the german term used by Freud that has been translated into the English word 'Ego') I can't wait to get my new miniDV. Also, I am an official representing artist for Cycling '74 so I have Jitter (though I have not used it yet) as well as Max/MSP (and the amazing Pluggo and Hipno plugin suites---which I am addicted to). I'll check out your objects when I get a chance. Thanks for filling us in on the history as well. After I am very deep into this next visual looping phase (which feels obsessive in a good way for me right now) I'll go back and look at some of the work of these artists. Oddly enough, right now, I don't want to see anything that's been done in the vein I"m working in because I want to keep a strong naive and 'beginners' mind' attitude in my current work. I actually like stumbling on things and not knowing a lot. It's a nice aesthetic adjunct to the depth of knowledge I have about rhythm and music in my musical life. I'm not trying to change the world................just trying to have fun and be as creative as I can be. One of the exciting things is that I've started to work with a young man, Grey David who will be doing his first ever looping gig at Y2K6 in October.............he has purchased a tiny , fit in the palm of your hand, LED projector (which have just come out apparently). These things are very modest in size and project an image that is about torso sized from a few feet away so it works very well with my live shows and I actually showed for the first time at the ZeroONE Festival in San Jose a couple of weeks ago for the first time. We are thinking about doing a piece for three of these projectors strapped to people's bodies (they run on batteries) so that they project onto the backs of the person walking in front of you. I want to video loop the Pacific Garden Mall using battery powered visual looping devices and battery powered hardware live looping devices (a DL-4, a battery powered amplifier, battery powered mixer and battery powered DSP effects). Not sure if I could get it together by Y2K6 but I'm going to try. Take care and thanks for the advice. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 12:00:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94E153BF44; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cd01c6c6ab$c65e1680$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: repeater question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:00:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Michael Sintros asked: " does this thing have the ability to slow a loop down like a tape, meaning change tempo affecting pitch?" for one thing, michael...............the repeater is not being sold currently in a brand new state. they've announced the MK2 version but it has been months and months since they did and many people think they may never come back. I pray that is not true. I love my repeater though it has some bugs but what it does specifically, unlike an old analogue tape echo which not only slows the recording down time wise but also makes the pitch go down as well is use stretching algorithms that allow you to pitch a loop over 3 octaves WITHOUT the tempo of the loop changing (this paradigm has been used alot in computer software programs, ACID, Ableton's LIVE and Garage Band) YOu can also change the BPM of the loop radically without changing it's pitch. You CANNOT make both the pitch and the tempo go down at the same time unless you have midi expression pedals that will send both commands simultaneously (My brother, Bill, has written some very hip programs for the Berhringer FCB 1010 midi pedals that do this). Matt Davignon also uses a couple of really old digitech stomp box digital delays that allow him to manipulate pitch............I can't remember the model number, I just know I'm jealous of some of the cool manipulations he gets away with using those pedals. He's got a killer new CD out, by the way.........using only a small drum machine as a sound source. No other looper will do quite these things although Bob Amstadt the inventor of the LOOPERLATIVE pedal has just added a feature that allows one to go from 1/2 speed to regular speed via an expression pedal command that simulates the old Roland RE201 tape echo effects (awesome emulation of that device, by the way, in a software VST instrument just put out by Universal Audio----------spot on perfect reproduction of the early instrument that defined early Dub recordings) Hope that helps answer your question. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 12:11:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C77353BF51; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BboQTI0mwsAtenbD49FHi8+0AQD+Zd6B2cZWEz8M8osdKrLLmKQZlOtrDUblKhS5JB+70AIhGMQe3nCHgXOxwZkDgO0m1g1eOj9utul86VEUlvasUwPAY86XDSwMzRPCP84aopshskMXmPVyrnbspJuB2lx+QJXhjuDbHdBWTKI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0608230511s5838a0b3v7e6f37798abc4081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:11:04 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater CFC question In-Reply-To: <002f01c6c68d$1afaf2e0$87a3fe91@parsick> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002f01c6c68d$1afaf2e0$87a3fe91@parsick> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:11:07 +0000 (UTC) The repeater needs a compact flash with a hitachi controller. I got this off the repeater users group at yahoo: The card is Pretec # RCFH256EH6C Industrial Rugged CF Card 0C ~ +70C 256MB. $89. The link to it is: http://www.microsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=3D19633 On 8/23/06, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > Hi all, > > I know this question has been asked many times before but I didn=B4t want= to > dive into the archive. I bought a new Sandisk 512 mb CFC for my Repeater > recently I don=B4t seem to get the Repeater to record on it. After two or > three seconds the display reads "card too slow" although I chose a CFC wi= th > a 2gb data stream (a quicker one didn=B4t work, either). My four-year old > 128mb CFC I bought shortly after I acquired the Repeater works flawlessly= . > Any recommendations? Storing and processing patches I recorded using the > internal memory is no problem with the new CFC, but recording directly on > the CFC in order to overcome the limitations of the internal memory size > doesn=B4t work. This is somewhat nasty, especially I can=B4t keep returni= ng CFCs > to the store I bought them at... > > Thanks, > > Stephen. > > --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 12:53:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C36413BF3F; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: repeater question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:52:54 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002c01c6c6b3$0d195f10$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <00cd01c6c6ab$c65e1680$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AcbGq8Vj+x9IQcxsSSSs3XwMuaiDwgABcx/w Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:53:03 +0000 (UTC) Rick said: > You CANNOT make both the pitch and the tempo go down at the > same time > unless you have midi expression pedals that will send both > commands simultaneously I really had to try this now, as you seem so sure about this, but let me tell you: Yes, it definitely is possible! I just verified it. I do it sending MIDI CC #14, a functionality, which is already documented in the original OS 1.0 manual (BPM & Pitch MSB, and also BPM & Pitch LSB on CC #46, if you need very fine tuning). And on the other hand, at least with the old EEPROM version of the FCB1010, there is no way to send two CCs from one expression pedal at once. Example: listen to the track in between tracks 10 and 11 on my Desenzano CD. > Matt Davignon also uses a couple of really old digitech stomp > box digital delays that allow him > to manipulate pitch............I can't remember the model > number, I just Digitech PDS series and the rackmount RDS series? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 13:01:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4073BF3D; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, gael Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:00:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44EC5F8D.19004.1164B2A@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:01:01 +0000 (UTC) On 23 Aug 2006 at 8:26, gael wrote: > Hi, is the zoom G2 a "real" looper tool? Depends on your definition, but I'd certainly say so. I wrote a review for the LD website, but 18 months on, it hasn't shown up yet. Here's the gist of it Zoom G2 The latest in a series of guitar pedals, this one finally seems to have all a looper could reasonably require. Firstly, you get 5 seconds worth of ping pong, tape echo or delay, each of which can be frozen using a non-latching footswitch. The delay can be set in seconds, or by using a tap time button. You can also set feedback and mix in real time by going into edit mode whilst playing. On top of that, you've got some useful effects, such as compression, chorus, a fairly basic selection of reverbs and pitch shifts, harmoniser etc. There's 16 amp modelling types, a noisegate and other odds & sods. The most useful extra is that the "chorus" effect can be set as a number of delay types, up to a second in length. So, you can get a loop going, then play over the top with both delay and reverb added to the live signal. My instinct would be to switch most of the effects off and use it as a simple 5 second looper, but if you're pushed for space or have no other gear, it will just about do everything. Since you're unlikly to be changing patches much, I'm tempted to have it on a stand at waist height for hands on twiddling, and just keep the footswitch on the floor. The interface is reasonably straight-forward, although there are little glitches - knob 1 appears to allow you to set the function of the footswitch, but it doesn't remember it - knob 2 looks the same but actually remembers things. Took me a while to scour the manual to in this down. Having only one control input means you can't use the delay hold whilst altering real time effects (wah etc) - it wouldn't have cost much to have a socket for both footswitch and control pedal. Now if zoom could simply take the existing delay options, add more impressive reverb and chorus, treble the delay time and put it in a rack, they'd have a loopers dream. Chances are, it won't happen. The best news is, it's about =A365 if you shop around - quite unbelievable value, even if the tight sods don't include the 9v power supply. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 13:29:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 317063BF43; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uXnvPi5HHESF/ZEak9ta+dSBJbJakXx9gPv/CrdVJXx6fF/ovPiPip5+rFaMO87uBX+muNiQHAdHUr5pCsZN4YXSpH5dHARXXO6Uhk14F2XoETiHDsGHZwRjU+dsevrFWjGzkZpCQMbQFINcEU/OTTn8GLtEfG/NGg7mOmF6hCc= In-Reply-To: <00cd01c6c6ab$c65e1680$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <20060823004304.87039.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00cd01c6c6ab$c65e1680$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--208595726 Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: repeater question Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:29:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:29:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--208595726 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 23 aug 2006, at 14.00, loop.pool wrote: > You CANNOT make both the pitch and the tempo go down at the same > time > unless you have midi expression pedals that will send both commands > simultaneously This is correct for the first OS but with the first OS upgrade the Repeater received a functionality for doing exactly this. I.e. reacting to ONE midi cc command by changing TWO parameters (pitch and BPM tempo division). This does also work fine when the Repeater is tempo synchronized to a master clock, which also means that you can always realign the sync by setting this MIDI cc back to "0". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-2--208595726 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 23 aug 2006, at = 14.00, loop.pool wrote:

You CANNOT =A0 make both the pitch and the = tempo go down at the same time

unless you have midi expression pedals that will send = both commands simultaneously



This is correct for the = first OS but with the first OS upgrade the Repeater received a = functionality for doing exactly this. I.e. reacting to ONE midi cc = command by changing TWO parameters (pitch and BPM tempo division). This = does also work fine when the Repeater is tempo synchronized to a master = clock, which also means that you can always realign the sync by setting = this MIDI cc back to "0".=A0


= --Apple-Mail-2--208595726-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 14:11:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6074C3BF3D; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 07:11:42 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Charles Zwicky , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater question Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:11:56 +0000 (UTC) > THe Electro > harmonix 2880 will behave exactly like tape and it has a single knob to > vary the 'tape speed'. Since we are mentioning other devices, the latest Looperlative firmware update added the ability to control speed on one or more tracks via a MIDI continuous controller. Speed can be varied anywhere between normal speed and half speed with the current firmware release. Any combination of the 8 tracks can be controlled simultaneously. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 15:31:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B31DA3BF44; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TS7/2/+v6Tn1gdASB3mRfXu46Ts0/c8vCpanleGKk3f6IgDTsg8cJxpvmTkNqbF+cXIuxQq+/5EFOFErWcbqCbeReaJkc/C90Ozfx8TnM3IrsIpNr4oAyLX/bXzuiq5GiwE1Dw8ILCxKW4+r37s0Y8WrEkPON9hapE/NH8Uiyi8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--201256554 Message-Id: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> From: Per Boysen Subject: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater question) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:31:26 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:31:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--201256554 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> THe Electro >> harmonix 2880 will behave exactly like tape and it has a single >> knob to >> vary the 'tape speed'. On 23 aug 2006, at 16.11, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Since we are mentioning other devices, the latest Looperlative > firmware update added the ability to control speed on one or more > tracks via a MIDI continuous controller. Speed can be varied > anywhere between normal speed and half speed with the current > firmware release. Any combination of the 8 tracks can be > controlled simultaneously. I like this basic sound design technique so much that I gave it unique subject name, now since we have left specific Repeater territory ;-)) It's funny how this effect once was looked down at as "crappy", like an out-of-date way of changing pitch in ancient samplers by simply modifying the rate. With the Repeater it wasn't even possible with the first OS version and I guess most people back then valued "instant time-stretch" more. But fact is that when you play around with rate/speed shifting you find a new creative palette in those other tempi coming from different pitches running at different speed. When looping on my Mobius laptop I usually prefer this "old-school- crap" pitch/speed change for the rhythmic and tonal variation it brings when used in a multi track looping context. My direct comparison here is how my Repeater sounded when applying it's pitch change while NOT changing the loop length. I'm not sure the cc 14 trick with the Repeater was instantly available for multiple tracks? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-1--201256554 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

THe Electro

harmonix 2880 will behave exactly like tape and it has a = single knob to

vary the 'tape = speed'.


On 23 aug 2006, at = 16.11, Bob Amstadt wrote:

Since we are mentioning = other devices, the latest Looperlative firmware update added the ability = to control speed on one or more tracks via a MIDI continuous = controller.=A0 Speed can be = varied anywhere between normal speed and half speed with the current = firmware release.=A0 Any = combination of the 8 tracks can be controlled simultaneously.

=


I like this basic sound = design technique so much that I gave it unique subject name, now since = we have left specific Repeater territory ;-))=A0=A0

It's funny how this effect = once was looked down at as "crappy", like an out-of-date way of changing = pitch in ancient samplers by simply modifying the=A0 rate. With the = Repeater it wasn't even possible with the first OS version and I guess = most people back then valued "instant time-stretch" more. But fact is = that when you play around with rate/speed shifting you find a new = creative palette in those other tempi coming from different pitches = running at different speed. When looping on my Mobius laptop I usually = prefer this "old-school-crap" pitch/speed change for the rhythmic and = tonal variation it brings when used in a multi track looping context. My = direct comparison here is how my Repeater sounded when applying it's = pitch change while NOT changing the loop length. I'm not sure the cc 14 = trick with the Repeater was instantly available for multiple = tracks?


= --Apple-Mail-1--201256554-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 15:44:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 436C43BF50; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> References: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:43:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater question) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1055774645==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112022562ed0e0c6f31f733dbca95b5a93dc34a58a02d322bf3a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.254.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:44:16 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1055774645==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Thanks Per.. When I gave up my modified reel to reel and began looping using a DDL, I really liked having a knob to control the loop speed... then as the 1980s wore on nearly every DDL used paged memory to control delay times and sample rates were fixed. How joyless! I cannot properly relate how intuitive it is to use a knob to control the pitch of a loop. I hope that more manufacturers will get back to this level of live manipulation and control. >>>THe Electro >>> >>>harmonix 2880 will behave exactly like tape and it has a single knob to >>> >>>vary the 'tape speed'. >>> > >On 23 aug 2006, at 16.11, Bob Amstadt wrote: > >>Since we are mentioning other devices, the latest Looperlative >>firmware update added the ability to control speed on one or more >>tracks via a MIDI continuous controller. Speed can be varied >>anywhere between normal speed and half speed with the current >>firmware release. Any combination of the 8 tracks can be >>controlled simultaneously. >> > > >I like this basic sound design technique so much that I gave it >unique subject name, now since we have left specific Repeater >territory ;-)) > >It's funny how this effect once was looked down at as "crappy", like >an out-of-date way of changing pitch in ancient samplers by simply >modifying the rate. With the Repeater it wasn't even possible with >the first OS version and I guess most people back then valued >"instant time-stretch" more. But fact is that when you play around >with rate/speed shifting you find a new creative palette in those >other tempi coming from different pitches running at different >speed. When looping on my Mobius laptop I usually prefer this >"old-school-crap" pitch/speed change for the rhythmic and tonal >variation it brings when used in a multi track looping context. My >direct comparison here is how my Repeater sounded when applying it's >pitch change while NOT changing the loop length. I'm not sure the cc >14 trick with the Repeater was instantly available for multiple >tracks? > >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) >http://www.myspace.com/looproom -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1055774645==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: r
Thanks Per..

When I gave up my modified reel to reel and began looping using a DDL, I really liked having a knob to control the loop speed... then as the 1980s wore on nearly every DDL used paged memory to control delay times and sample rates were fixed. How joyless!  I cannot properly relate how intuitive it is to use a knob to control the pitch of a loop. I hope that more manufacturers will get back to this level of live manipulation and control.

 

THe Electro
harmonix 2880 will behave exactly like tape and it has a single knob to
vary the 'tape speed'.

On 23 aug 2006, at 16.11, Bob Amstadt wrote:
Since we are mentioning other devices, the latest Looperlative firmware update added the ability to control speed on one or more tracks via a MIDI continuous controller.  Speed can be varied anywhere between normal speed and half speed with the current firmware release.  Any combination of the 8 tracks can be controlled simultaneously.


I like this basic sound design technique so much that I gave it unique subject name, now since we have left specific Repeater territory ;-))

It's funny how this effect once was looked down at as "crappy", like an out-of-date way of changing pitch in ancient samplers by simply modifying the  rate. With the Repeater it wasn't even possible with the first OS version and I guess most people back then valued "instant time-stretch" more. But fact is that when you play around with rate/speed shifting you find a new creative palette in those other tempi coming from different pitches running at different speed. When looping on my Mobius laptop I usually prefer this "old-school-crap" pitch/speed change for the rhythmic and tonal variation it brings when used in a multi track looping context. My direct comparison here is how my Repeater sounded when applying it's pitch change while NOT changing the loop length. I'm not sure the cc 14 trick with the Repeater was instantly available for multiple tracks?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast)
http://www.myspace.com/looproom


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--============_-1055774645==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 15:50:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B2E3BF5C; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> References: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E66DBA1-E630-4CBE-9335-DA00C4DE9CD5@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater question) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:50:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:50:21 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > My direct comparison here is how my Repeater sounded when applying > it's pitch change while NOT changing the loop length. I'm not sure > the cc 14 trick with the Repeater was instantly available for > multiple tracks? I'm going to set up my MIDI controller to check this out with my Repeater for sure but according to the manual when using cc 14 to control both Tempo and Pitch it controls all four tracks. I don't see a setting to control only a single track. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 15:59:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C34C3BF59; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uM3QobwWhspfBBzzBxzTff3oKRIssZFUOr9lSsSvXe9bGuxQQj+GEKslXo6R40m1C2dmCkbMR1al/ZN3FUOCOZyF8q4lOhjNDKvG8qJ4a2D92AJNLhZnDUUnjwYOKgURRKpHbM4Wq+aWruyBCB/6uL34P8bZzv6hoLxf/1OAcPM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4E66DBA1-E630-4CBE-9335-DA00C4DE9CD5@comcast.net> References: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> <4E66DBA1-E630-4CBE-9335-DA00C4DE9CD5@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--199549194 Message-Id: <1E22001A-39C8-40A0-B978-96C1DB34C5AD@gmail.com> From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater question) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:59:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--199549194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> My direct comparison here is how my Repeater sounded when applying >> it's pitch change while NOT changing the loop length. I'm not sure >> the cc 14 trick with the Repeater was instantly available for >> multiple tracks? > > I'm going to set up my MIDI controller to check this out with my > Repeater for sure but according to the manual when using cc 14 to > control both Tempo and Pitch it controls all four tracks. I don't > see a setting to control only a single track. > > Ed He, he... that's how my memory had it: the cc 14 trick manipulating the total machine including all four tracks. Thanks for the reminder! This makes the Repeater is way cool together with another looper... or in a rack of repeaters. It's cool to hear that Looperlative can do this on multiple tracks at the same time. I do it with Mobius here, but so far the rate shifting is not continues but fixed to note number steps (which of course also has some good sides ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-2--199549194 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:31 = AM, Per Boysen wrote:


My direct = comparison here is how my Repeater sounded when applying it's pitch = change while NOT changing the loop length. I'm not sure the cc 14 trick = with the Repeater was instantly available for multiple = tracks?


I'm going to set up my MIDI = controller to check this out with my Repeater for sure but according to = the manual when using cc 14 to control both Tempo and Pitch it controls = all four tracks.=A0 I don't = see a setting to control only a single track.


Ed



He, he... that's how my = memory had it: the cc 14 trick manipulating the total machine including = all four tracks. Thanks for the reminder! This makes the Repeater is way = cool together with another looper... or in a rack of repeaters. It's = cool to hear that Looperlative can do this on multiple tracks at the = same time. I do it with Mobius here, but so far the rate shifting is not = continues but fixed to note number steps (which of course also has some = good sides ;-))

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)


=

= --Apple-Mail-2--199549194-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 16:07:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FB473BF72; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EC7D29.5080709@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:05 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation References: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000705040607000000080306" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:07:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000705040607000000080306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Definitely one of my favorite things about using tape, or the old DDL's. The great thing about the old Digitech PDS-2000 and PDS-8000 pedals (and I assume the rackmount versions) is that, if an echo is captured at one extreme end of the delay time knob, twisting it to the extreme in the other direction will yield a perfect smooth two-octave jump, with all the fun microtones in between. The one thing I wish that worked was for the "delay range" toggle to hold the echo in memory, so that a one-motion jump was also possible by switching between the ranges, but such was not to be. Bill Frisell and Nels Cline are great illustrators of using and abusing the loop speed/pitch "feature" of older DDL's. Daryl > > When I gave up my modified reel to reel and began looping using a DDL, > I really liked having a knob to control the loop speed... then as the > 1980s wore on nearly every DDL used paged memory to control delay > times and sample rates were fixed. How joyless! I cannot properly > relate how intuitive it is to use a knob to control the pitch of a > loop. I hope that more manufacturers will get back to this level of > live manipulation and control. --------------000705040607000000080306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Definitely one of my favorite things about using tape, or the old DDL's. The great thing about the old Digitech PDS-2000 and PDS-8000 pedals (and I assume the rackmount versions) is that, if an echo is captured at one extreme end of the delay time knob, twisting it to the extreme in the other direction will yield a perfect smooth two-octave jump, with all the fun microtones in between.

The one thing I wish that worked was for the "delay range" toggle to hold the echo in memory, so that a one-motion jump was also possible by switching between the ranges, but such was not to be.

Bill Frisell and Nels Cline are great illustrators of using and abusing the loop speed/pitch "feature" of older DDL's.

Daryl
Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: r

When I gave up my modified reel to reel and began looping using a DDL, I really liked having a knob to control the loop speed... then as the 1980s wore on nearly every DDL used paged memory to control delay times and sample rates were fixed. How joyless!  I cannot properly relate how intuitive it is to use a knob to control the pitch of a loop. I hope that more manufacturers will get back to this level of live manipulation and control.

--------------000705040607000000080306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 17:07:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489033BF42; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VMIfa0PRGqlP5pL8x77m8Nfp52DkvPCm8H/foEWAbj+uRkhQLYUAqCohGHydt+QiFVBb4iZoM31nBs1PyUWJXNyrXYR9niho/f9d5oC2UMgZJI33F12yBkTW9W4+BLlSAnobEEycQ4OrqVL8F73sBrBluSIeSK4U9rBx54iihmc= ; Message-ID: <20060823170725.79921.qmail@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT: New AER Amp for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060823054111.64328.qmail@web31803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-721780888-1156352845=:79901" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:07:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-721780888-1156352845=:79901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh I forgot to mention Tommy and Pete Huttlinger and many other professional friends endorse and use AER amps!!! www.centercreekrecords.com Dan wrote: Please check out my good friend www.tommyemmanuel.com I have had the express opportunity to take seminars with him and jam with him as well. He is a very sweet spirit and has a heart of gold and technically plays beyond phenomenal!!!! You just cannot hardly believe your eyes let alone your ears with many of the things he pulls off. Peace and happy joyous practicing!!!!! Daniel T. Albertini,- Albertini Guitar Works- Richard Sales wrote: Say! My friend Rufus (Rufus Guitars) is selling a new AER Compact 60 amp for S1,444 Canadian. Haven't heard it, don't know beans about it... but I'm betting it sounds good based on how good their bass amps sound. Lists for $1600 CDN. He's going out of business and selling his stock. In Victoria, B.C. Canada See it here: http://www.rufusguitars.com/forsale.htm Tell him Richard Sales sent you. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 11-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Koenig wrote: >> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that >> I am >> not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker? > > I have one of these on order: > > http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html > > It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I > don't > like it. > > What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker? > > 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ. > 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range > (in exchange for loss of efficiency). > 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete. > > The reviews I've been able to find on the web are glowing. We shall > see. > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --0-721780888-1156352845=:79901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh I forgot to mention Tommy and Pete Huttlinger and many other professional friends endorse and use AER amps!!!  www.centercreekrecords.com

Dan <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please check out my good friend www.tommyemmanuel.com
I have had the express opportunity to take seminars with him and jam with him as well.  He is a very sweet spirit and has a heart of gold and technically plays beyond phenomenal!!!!  You just cannot hardly believe your eyes let alone your ears with many of the things he pulls off.  Peace and happy joyous practicing!!!!! Daniel T. Albertini,- Albertini Guitar Works-

Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Say! My friend Rufus (Rufus Guitars) is selling a new AER Compact 60
amp for S1,444 Canadian. Haven't heard it, don't know beans about
it... but I'm betting it sounds good based on how good their bass amps
sound. Lists for $1600 CDN. He's going out of business and selling
his stock.

In Victoria, B.C. Canada

See it here:
http://www.rufusguitars.com/forsale.htm

Tell him Richard Sales sent you.
richard sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816
www.glassWing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com
www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
On 11-Aug-06, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Koenig wrote:

>> What am I getting in a boutique acoustic guitar amp for $1000 + that
>> I am
>> not getting in a decent powered full range PA speaker?
>
> I have one of these on order:
>
> http://acousticimg.com/products/prod_coda.html
>
> It should show up in September. They've told me I can return it if I
> don't
> like it.
>
> What does it offer instead of a full range PA speaker?
>
> 1) Two channels of amplification plus EQ.
> 2) Claimed to be capable of covering the entire bass range
> (in exchange for loss of efficiency).
> 3) Weighs about 20 pounds, complete.
>
> The reviews I've been able to find on the web are glowing. We shall
> see.
>
>
>


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Mail. --0-721780888-1156352845=:79901-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 17:34:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13BCB3BF3F; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wxjwYp4CRGB0SDS1Kd6jlYLXaX3fxwoYZk4FO5zkAitYjGOpN97gFVUqoZX112/2uh87D6AQqyFlb8pn/ZL8u+h56Pq9pQbcgd9ssJchK5fiQLYIvmysaZmFD8lnf90ldqE/4ASyOsuTPtJrW18vLz450Xgkwi/15oNu7VSKf9U= ; Message-ID: <20060823173408.40092.qmail@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:34:08 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater question) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:34:10 +0000 (UTC) thanks for all the great replies to my initial question, and it's nice to see it took on a life of its own. ever since i started recording music 8 years ago, i have loved the sound of varispeed pitch shift (i guess that seems to be the most concise way to say this? there seems to be an ambiguity in general with manufacturer lingo: "pitch shift" can often mean either the tape style shift or pitch shift independent of tempo.) it seems increasingly less devices are capable of doing this though, which is a shame. tempo syncing appears to be what is in most demand these days, and changing the loop length makes that difficult. i'm one of those people that doesn't care about imperfections and i'd prefer music to be a bit messy anyways. one of the places it seems the repeater shines is the ability to alter pitch of the loop on the fly via a midi keyboard, which is attractive. something i've wanted to experiment with but didn't know what piece of gear could accomplish it (now i know!). however it looks like the elecro harmonix 2880 might be more suited to what i'm seeking, as the ability to varispeed shift is by far the more important for my music. i am currently accomplishing this just recording into my akai s2000 and going through the tedious process of setting up the sample to loop at the appropriate points and then using a midi keyboard to trigger the speeds. pitch shift wheel i usually have set to have an octave range so i can push the wheel forward and have it play double speed, etc. one question about the eh 2880 unit though: if you have, say, 2 loop tracks running and you downpitch one of them by a few semitones, effectively making it lower in pitch and longer, do the two loops run out of phase with one another, respecting their own loop begin and end points, or does the original loop length act as a limiting factor such that the loop points are where they once were and the longer loop is truncated? i would prefer if it weren't the second option. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 17:49:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54113BF41; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060823173408.40092.qmail@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060823173408.40092.qmail@web36610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:48:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater question) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112022562ed0e0c6f31f3db5af7b07bbef8be16b3921752e310a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.22.254.37 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:49:01 +0000 (UTC) >one question about the eh 2880 unit though: if you >have, say, 2 loop tracks running and you downpitch one >of them by a few semitones, effectively making it >lower in pitch and longer, do the two loops run out of >phase with one another, respecting their own loop >begin and end points, or does the original loop length >act as a limiting factor such that the loop points are >where they once were and the longer loop is truncated? > i would prefer if it weren't the second option. > In the 2880 all 4 of the main tracks are altered in the same way, length and pitch altered as if you slowed down (or sped up) a 4 track tape. It operates exactly as a 4 track would. HOWEVER: The 'Mixdown" track can either be locked to the master tempo knob or it can run at the normal speed while you varispeed the basic 4 tracks - together, yet independantly of the mixdown track. The repeater has a FATAL FLAW... if you change the pitch and tempo (even in matching proportion to avoid stretch marks), then when you overdub on those tracks your new audio is ruined by timestretching artifact, and you have no choice but to live with it. I HATE this about the repeater. It even happens if you so much as bump the tempo knob. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 18:53:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAEE43BF41; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 262143074 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9537@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: glarestreak@gmail.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sampling machine ES-1? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:53:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6E5.75A9D203" Resent-Message-ID: <1kW_xB.A.JvD.ERK7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:53:56 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6E5.75A9D203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> Does this have an input and output capability so that I can run it through my guitar effects chain. Are these better than the Boss SP-202 or SP-303. I am looking into getting either one of the Korgs or the BOSS units but I was wondering what unit was better? All I want to do is run this through my guitar effects chain and use the sampling option to record different sounds such as a door closing or whatever and use these samples when playing live. I don't really need all the features of the Korg but if it has better sound quality then I would prefer to go with it? Does anyone have any more options maybe........All I need is a cheap sampler with mic/record capability and guitar in/out. << I have the mk1 electribe es-1 sampler. you can sample in mono or stereo from mic/line inputs on the back. samples are stored non-volatile in internal memory & can be transferred to/from smart cards that go in the back. you can also manipulate the sounds on these cards using y'r computer & then poke them back into the korg. the audio input can also be used via the sequencer for various gated/filtered/processed whackiness, including the gate timing & rhythm of the triggered pulses of audio, & the internal effects of the korg. OR you can bypass this & simply have the audio inputs be mixed with the sampler's own contributions, which still go through it's effects. for my money, the one & only drawback of these neat little toys (I have two) is that you can't have the audio inputs go straight to the internal effects without "passing through" the sequencer section first. a simple workaround for this is to "enable" the audio-input on every step of the sequence & turn the gate time right up. it's still a little choppy but that's actually quite nice if the whole box is either tap-tempo'd or running in sync with other effects. an adrenalinn it is not, but some cool effects can be had anyway. as regards the sampler- it's basic. you can run samples backwards & change their pitch/length. you can time-slice loops so that bits of them that land on beats can be switched on or off. the memory, I think, is about 192 seconds, & this is retained on power-off. the sound quality is fine. I think it's 44kHz but I'm not sure without the thing in front of me. I have a door slam or two in mine.... :-) I use the unit as a master clock because the tap-tempo button is big & squishy enough to hit with just about anything on a darkened stage, & the resulting clock is solid. I can't compare it with the boss units in this context, but I've always preferred korg stuff anyway, if that means anything.... see if korg have the manual on-line. hth- duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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 >> Does this have an input and output capability so that I can run it through my guitar effects chain. Are these better than the Boss SP-202 or SP-303. I am looking into getting either one of the Korgs or the BOSS units but I was wondering what unit was better?

All I want to do is run this through my guitar effects chain and use the sampling option to record different sounds such as a door closing or whatever and use these samples when playing live. I don't really need all the features of the Korg but if it has better sound quality then I would prefer to go with it? Does anyone have any more options maybe........All I need is a cheap sampler with mic/record capability and guitar in/out.  <<
 
I have the mk1 electribe es-1 sampler. you can sample in mono or stereo from mic/line inputs on the back. samples are stored non-volatile in internal memory & can be transferred to/from smart cards that go in the back. you can also manipulate the sounds on these cards using y'r computer & then poke them back into the korg.
the audio input can also be used via the sequencer for various gated/filtered/processed whackiness, including the gate timing & rhythm of the triggered pulses of audio, & the internal effects of the korg.
OR
you can bypass this & simply have the audio inputs be mixed with the sampler's own contributions, which still go through it's effects. for my money, the one & only drawback of these neat little toys (I have two) is that you can't have the audio inputs go straight to the internal effects without "passing through" the sequencer section first. a simple workaround for this is to "enable" the audio-input on every step of the sequence & turn the gate time right up. it's still a little choppy but that's actually quite nice if the whole box is either tap-tempo'd or running in sync with other effects. an adrenalinn it is not, but some cool effects can be had anyway.
as regards the sampler- it's basic. you can run samples backwards & change their pitch/length. you can time-slice loops so that bits of them that land on beats can be switched on or off. the memory, I think, is about 192 seconds, & this is retained on power-off. the sound quality is fine. I think it's 44kHz but I'm not sure without the thing in front of me. I have a door slam or two in mine.... :-)
I use the unit as a master clock because the tap-tempo button is big & squishy enough to hit with just about anything on a darkened stage, & the resulting clock is solid. 
 
I can't compare it with the boss units in this context, but I've always preferred korg stuff anyway, if that means anything....
 
see if korg have the manual on-line.
 
hth-
duncan/r.m.i. 


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6E5.75A9D203-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 18:54:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A28493BF50; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 345631342 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9538@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: tapedelay records motor buzz Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:54:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6E5.7D58C60D" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:54:29 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6E5.7D58C60D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>now left is one artifarct, the motor buzz, which seems to get recorded on the tape, even when running the unit without any input signal. can this be caused by the dried out pinch roller?<< damn, you've got a project on y'r hands there- whole lot of artefacts..... the hum is most likely due to the aging of various capacitors in the electronics, especially the larger ones in the power-supply smoothing/regulation. this tends to be somewhat rudimentary on these machines anyway. do you know anyone locally who can work on the unit with you? I mean, someone (like me) who routinely pulls apart tape decks for their own amusement? that's the guy you want on this thing. the tape-curl & general bad handling will go away when you have a new pinch roller & the tape path is completely clean & true. if the tape curl is still happening with a new pinch roller then something is out of alignment. probably on a machine like this, re-adjustment will involve gently bending something rather than breaking out the hex keys.... :-) I don't even know the HH unit- I wish I did- but I've worked on copicats, melos & roland stuff aswell as many many "regular" tapedecks. I have even done a mini frippertronics setup with two uher portables..... the quality of the tape stock &/or the bias & eq of the record deck makes a huge difference to the result. make sure you experiment with different tape stocks on the HH & avoid ampex stuff from the 80s. it is a world of pain. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6E5.7D58C60D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: tapedelay records motor buzz

>>now left is one artifarct, the motor buzz, which = seems to get recorded on
the tape, even when running the unit without any input s= ignal. can this be
caused by the dried out pinch roller?<<

damn, you've got a project on y'r hands there- whole lot = of artefacts..... the hum is most likely due to the aging of various capaci= tors in the electronics, especially the larger ones in the power-supply smo= othing/regulation. this tends to be somewhat rudimentary on these machines = anyway.

do you know anyone locally who can work on the unit with = you? I mean, someone (like me) who routinely pulls apart tape decks for the= ir own amusement? that's the guy you want on this thing. the tape-curl &= ; general bad handling will go away when you have a new pinch roller & = the tape path is completely clean & true. if the tape curl is still hap= pening with a new pinch roller then something is out of alignment. probably= on a machine like this, re-adjustment will involve gently bending somethin= g rather than breaking out the hex keys.... :-)

I don't even know the HH unit- I wish I did- but I've wor= ked on copicats, melos & roland stuff aswell as many many "regular= " tapedecks. I have even done a mini frippertronics setup with two uhe= r portables..... the quality of the tape stock &/or the bias & eq o= f the record deck makes a huge difference to the result. make sure you expe= riment with different tape stocks on the HH & avoid ampex stuff from th= e 80s. it is a world of pain.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6E5.7D58C60D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 19:47:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1003BF37; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 345658404 Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC9539@lon-oxmail02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater question) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:47:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6ED.006A877D" Resent-Message-ID: <0rq_FC.A.9LF.iDL7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6ED.006A877D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" my varispeed looper devices are the powertran MCS-1 sampler/delay & the venerable bel-BD80. two of the first & one of the latter. both of these units, in delay-line mode, offer the simultaneous pitch/tempo slides that various correspondents have described, & which are analogous to tape varispeed. (it sucks that the repeater can't do this properly, or even on individual tracks. I haven't played with it on the eh2880, though it sounds interesting that the mixdown track is treated separately....) an added bonus of these ancient loopers, though, is that both feature an LFO. this was intended by the designers, in both cases, to be used in conjunction with a very short delay to create y'r typical phasing/flanging/chorussing effects. (they both have voltage control inputs so that one could control the "pitch" of the frozen audio using a standard cv/gate synth. this raises the odd spectacle of a monophonic "sampler" being played from a monophonic synth; the powertran also has a rudimentary midi spec for this purpose.) naturally, when applied to a whole several second "freeze" of audio, the results are infinitely more interesting. my favourite trick is to set the internal LFO going quite slowly with a big chunk of audio in the memory, & then (using a footswitch) to "unfreeze" the audio for tiny instants with the input to the device muted (or not!) & the repeat level turned down. this creates a nice glitchy gappy sort of effect, like you would get by selectively erasing bits of a tape-loop while it was also being varispeeded up & down. I don't know about the BD80 (developed by mick barnard, who was briefly in genesis a long time ago) but the powertran is 8-bit & uses dbx companding. this makes it sound more like tape, ironically. imagine the possibilities, then, when the two powertrans & the BD80 eventually end up in the same room..... :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6ED.006A877D Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: r= epeater question)

my varispeed looper devices are the powertran MCS-1 sampl= er/delay & the venerable bel-BD80. two of the first & one of the la= tter.

both of these units, in delay-line mode, offer the simult= aneous pitch/tempo slides that various correspondents have described, &= which are analogous to tape varispeed.

(it sucks that the repeater can't do this properly, or ev= en on individual tracks. I haven't played with it on the eh2880, though it = sounds interesting that the mixdown track is treated separately....)=

an added bonus of these ancient loopers, though, is that = both feature an LFO. this was intended by the designers, in both cases, to = be used in conjunction with a very short delay to create y'r typical phasin= g/flanging/chorussing effects.

(they both have voltage control inputs so that one could = control the "pitch" of the frozen audio using a standard cv/gate = synth. this raises the odd spectacle of a monophonic "sampler" be= ing played from a monophonic synth; the powertran also has a rudimentary mi= di spec for this purpose.)

naturally, when applied to a whole several second "f= reeze" of audio, the results are infinitely more interesting. my favou= rite trick is to set the internal LFO going quite slowly with a big chunk o= f audio in the memory, & then (using a footswitch) to "unfreeze&qu= ot; the audio for tiny instants with the input to the device muted (or not!= ) & the repeat level turned down. this creates a nice glitchy gappy sor= t of effect, like you would get by selectively erasing bits of a tape-loop = while it was also being varispeeded up & down.

I don't know about the BD80 (developed by mick barnard, w= ho was briefly in genesis a long time ago) but the powertran is 8-bit &= uses dbx companding. this makes it sound more like tape, ironically.

imagine the possibilities, then, when the two powertrans = & the BD80 eventually end up in the same room..... :-)

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C6ED.006A877D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 20:18:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AC833BF3A; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1ebd01c6c6f1$517bbe80$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-2 Looping Pedal Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:18:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1EBA_01C6C6BF.05F2F6E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <16z_9D.A.JKG.ggL7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:18:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1EBA_01C6C6BF.05F2F6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't seem to find this info on any of the Boss RC-2 pages, but does = anyone know how the pedal button functions? Do you press it once to = Record, and then press again to Stop...then press again to Overdub? etc? = I'm thinking of picking up one for fun. Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_1EBA_01C6C6BF.05F2F6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_1EBA_01C6C6BF.05F2F6E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 21:24:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFBE43BF3B; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:24:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:24:49 +0000 (UTC) At 4:52 AM -0700 8/14/06, loop.pool wrote: >I just went to Krispen's site for the 10th Anniversary 30 second >looping project >and was really blown away at all the really interesting and cutting edge music >I hear there. > >I thought it would be very educational for everyone to explain how >they put their >particular piece together. Another late entry here... I just submitted mine to Kris, so you can now find it at http://www.box.net/public/static/xofhiia723.mp3 Here are my 'liner notes' for how the cut was put together: "In No Moderation" is based on two Chapman Stick loops recorded into my Line 6 DL-4. The effect chain was as follows: Chapman Stick --> Vox ToneLab --> Alesis Ineko --> Aphex Punch Factory --> Effector13 TBD --> Volume Pedal --> Line 6 Liqua-Flange --> Line 6 DL-4 The first loop was recorded as normal from the DL-4. The second was the same material, only half-speed and reversed. Both loops were then flown into my DAW (Ableton Live) where I applied some EQ and a little more digital processing. During the latter half of the cut, I brought in some tinkly bits from Atmosphere, a drum loop I'd mutated out of Stylus, and a couple of bass notes. --m. -- _______ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 21:57:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C0583BF3D; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=btlKQYpbMNXAMuweycAn1kFlz2b53xqnw9xBO+OcVsXhYKefCVlYL/5iAaTF5bMJdms3A6fDb6qK5eYkO5Q9wlf9a7rHHiOzolmS/VesJMoFktl4KTSQoaFNNqziQyuLemTCAFAK0FQp8E5nngZ/xE5iGCBt9vakAajgqQE/ro4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:57:47 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:57:49 +0000 (UTC) My notes on my selection (thanks for doing this Kris!): --Chord progression reversed at 15 second halfway point in Repeater. Uses tremolo feature on Mo-FX in Repeaters inserts. Honestly I forgot what sound source I used on this, probably VG8.--- Neil From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 22:13:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA8B63BF3B; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:13:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAKVt7ESLJgEBAgcCDAcGHQ Message-ID: <44ECD35C.6060004@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:14:52 +0100 From: David Geraghty User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Macintosh/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-2 Looping Pedal References: <20060823212450.A68103BF3A@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20060823212450.A68103BF3A@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <754_pD.A.5_D.LMN7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:13:31 +0000 (UTC) I think you press once to record, then pressing again starts it playing. then pressing again overdubs. It then says press twice to stop on the casing so i assume.... i notice you can also attach an external pedal and use that to stop the recording/playing david > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Boss RC-2 Looping Pedal > From: > "Krispen Hartung" > Date: > Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:18:36 -0600 > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > I can't seem to find this info on any of the Boss RC-2 pages, but does > anyone know how the pedal button functions? Do you press it once to > Record, and then press again to Stop...then press again to Overdub? > etc? I'm thinking of picking up one for fun. > > Kris > > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 22:23:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFD113BF40; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=d/91PyCvzlAkvl7R7WF2obKMeOjkR9L+MXkjEplWuZ1mwq8rQ4pa/qqCzRQxeKFinP2uiQq5y9bPlDmG8rOeMIADgWa0v8RvxxdkRgC7f/W9Y1vAeXGkeHoqI1vvlTQLDTRl7XR2z7U1Ms2vjguTrCDEQCy4eS61FEcskf77IBw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:23:30 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation (was: Re: repeater MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4c59340a1f2bb04a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:23:32 +0000 (UTC) sorry, just can't resist a plug any longer > an added bonus of these ancient loopers, though, is that both feature an > LFO. Augustus Loop! http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html Tape-style pitch control, with an LFO. The LFO is actually one of my favourite features. Stick a Rhodes-type piano through it with a 3-4 second delay and a 5Hz LFO - mmm, creamy. Commercial break over. cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 22:23:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85A7D3BF57; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cMw/Ykh1UdRrkRK00m95S7AJPbYgFwX4h5Ysgn+yilTTX/C6zIj9oaa5Lpb1wafVIPSmT7jXzbf/VG63JytiwNCxDL8i0QAMAOTa45RVJqJfUOUEHbXTrJqX4mZ0xj5a6Gh8GQxSXhhytxNYqriXIDAxr2CzSomIm39QiZikv9E= Message-ID: <6df9336a0608231523x6fd1296ah4b4ebaac89c9953@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:23:35 -0700 From: skincage To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: akai headrush (first version) power supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:23:37 +0000 (UTC) is there anyone who has an EH1 and can tell me the precise power supply variables i need to match the orginal? my official power supply conked out and the 9v i'm using powers the unit but produces a very audible hum. wondering if i can use one with a different mA for better sound quality or if i should be concerned about the pedal itself being damaged. thanks! jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 23 23:48:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3503BF45; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:48:35 -0600 Message-Id: <200608232348.k7NNmZG03382@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: EXPLAIN your 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second tune X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <3f54H.A.fBH.VlO7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:48:37 +0000 (UTC) My loop struck me as a fine processional into space or something like that. A quick rhythm track from a Boss DR-660 drum machine and then guitar through a couple of the pitch shifters in a Digitech 2120 followed by Korg AM8000 most likely. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 00:54:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07813BF3A; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" Subject: Looperlative added features Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:54:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Hey gang, I've been off list for a while, and just had the new software features installed in my Looperlative, that I'm so stoked about I had to write and blather. The latest features are the ability to change record speeds using a CC expression pedal, which elicits some repeater-like time stretch sounds, and the new shuffle mode in three speeds (fast, medium , and slow). In essence this is a function that takes the loop and randomly chops it up, creating some interesting EDP-esque glitchy fragmented sounds, or if you have created an ambient loop with no apparent rhythmic structure, the shuffle function can render a rhythmic quality that is truly startling. I was able to loop a rubato melody, reverse it, drop it down an octave with the cc expression pedal on my behringer FCB1010, and hit the fast shuffle mode and have my loop come out sounding like a really cool bass sequence pattern. Though Bob says the effect is random generated, it sounds to my ears like when I toggle in at out of this mode, I get fairly predictable results. An amazing feature on this monster, already loaded with features. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 03:44:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9CBC3BF3E; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EQ2nt/OcED3PZivm8/21jmLMZ8slfaQ7hJNAdcN81mjFozH/1HAnL0qZeb8/3uTYua8vsWwHAvnsHnCYoVGEFa1VAMKJ+QZKCY9fEJFH2XWQ7j+dWZXh9GalB29/Lt4rgfofiDgPzU6hBUKOtz4hCXTzzKa86Terxm5Lo/nfZeg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:44:30 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: akai headrush (first version) power supply In-Reply-To: <6df9336a0608231523x6fd1296ah4b4ebaac89c9953@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6df9336a0608231523x6fd1296ah4b4ebaac89c9953@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Input: AC120V 60Hz 6W Output: DC9V 200mA Class 2 power supply Anything less than 200mA isn't a good idea, anything larger than that is fine--the box will only draw what it needs. TH On 8/23/06, skincage wrote: > is there anyone who has an EH1 and can tell me the precise power > supply variables i need to match the orginal? my official power supply > conked out and the 9v i'm using powers the unit but produces a very > audible hum. wondering if i can use one with a different mA for better > sound quality or if i should be concerned about the pedal itself being > damaged. thanks! > > jon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 05:12:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28AC13BF3E; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uocWGFiHfAugFIsGOT3kHmZadnqKEGxrNJo69W3v5LrH9HBiNT2U6k752Y5wvPGs+G8C64hHBhWFPIRzo5BGL21mVAOXw2870vgGU5yoJkGOfu479uMy0BfW1IbqbaqrMx5NGJp3uMdsqAKWSxOqjaeKVcxz1kzCWZ9BEM2MhUI= Message-ID: <913728d60608232212q7fa3fdb7ga41640459a3a8b30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:12:44 -0500 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: digitech RDS question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Hello All! I have been interested in getting one of the digitech RDS delay racks, and i was wondering, with the looping, can you turn the delay time knob and screw with the pitch while looping? Thanks, Charlie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 11:48:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C4483BF37; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000001c6c773$38decd90$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: Subject: OT: Ableton Live Question Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:45:18 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6C772.C5FDEDB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:48:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6C772.C5FDEDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi there ... The situation: I'm trying to loop record some part in Ableton's but I need different tempos along the loop timeline that are dictated by an external sequenced phrase.=20 Is Ableton Live capable of recognize a tempo map ... let's say, extracted from a midi file, and applied to its "song tempo" label of the master track? Is there any other way of = getting this result?=20 thanks in advance, Ra=FCl. TPO myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6C772.C5FDEDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi there ...

The = situation:
I'm trying to=20 loop record some
part in Ableton's but I need different tempos along=20 the
loop timeline that are dictated by an external sequenced=20 phrase. 

Is Ableton Live capable of recognize a tempo=20 map
... let's say, extracted from a midi file, and applied to=20 its
"song tempo" label of the master track?  Is there any = other way=20 of getting this result? 

thanks in=20 advance,
Ra=FCl.

TPO myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
Chain=20 Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C6C772.C5FDEDB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 12:09:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD513BF42; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ekVErHfOHJM1vsIrwXI/TkAuPMOQhDRTDCGuklz1NRyRkD8eTfBjBbVf5+R+/oBSdljC28Q5BLv8Bx7DbUsNUDJWeCT5/qmaNk5LeCTu59KDBk7wOshEm21FUuFfR4Wjbm6Goy/EKOzibaw9yLEvlM+nFAgcW+HQBrjEfiEi6Zw= In-Reply-To: <000001c6c773$38decd90$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <000001c6c773$38decd90$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--126972766 Message-Id: From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Ableton Live Question Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:09:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:09:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--126972766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 24 aug 2006, at 11.45, raul bonell wrote: > hi there ... > > The situation: > I'm trying to loop record some > part in Ableton's but I need different tempos along the > loop timeline that are dictated by an external sequenced phrase. > > Is Ableton Live capable of recognize a tempo map > ... let's say, extracted from a midi file, and applied to its > "song tempo" label of the master track? Is there any other way of =20 > getting this result? If your external sequenced phrases dictate the tempo in real-time you =20= can set Live to sync to MIDI Clock. Or, for tighter sync, using =20 ReWire to sync Live to another application that is hosting your =20 "tempo dictating phrases". I'm afraid I don't know what type of "tempo map" you are referring =20 to? There is a global protocol for that, supported by Protools and =20 some other DAW's, but not Ableton Live (OMF Interchange files=97Open =20 Media Framework files used by other DAW applications such as =20 ProTools. It allows multiple audio tracks to be imported, with all =20 positional information retained). You can always trim the global =20 tempo track graphically by hand/mouse in the arrange window (bottom =20 track). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom --Apple-Mail-5--126972766 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
On 24 aug 2006, at = 11.45, raul bonell wrote:

hi there ...

The situation:
part in Ableton's but I need different tempos = along the
loop timeline that are dictated by=A0an external = sequenced phrase.=A0




If your external sequenced = phrases dictate the tempo in real-time you can set Live to sync to MIDI = Clock. Or, for tighter sync, using ReWire to sync Live to another = application that is hosting your "tempo dictating = phrases".

I'm = afraid I don't know what type of "tempo map" you are referring to? There = is a global protocol for that, supported by Protools and some other = DAW's, but not Ableton Live (OMF Interchange files=97Open Media Framework files used by other = DAW=A0applications such = as ProTools. It allows multiple audio tracks to be imported, with = all=A0positional information retained). You can always trim the global = tempo track graphically by hand/mouse in the arrange window (bottom = track).

Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
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= --Apple-Mail-5--126972766-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 14:53:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 043A33BF42; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <913728d60608232212q7fa3fdb7ga41640459a3a8b30@mail.gmail.com> References: <913728d60608232212q7fa3fdb7ga41640459a3a8b30@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <594106385c926585459d057a3bf85701@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: digitech RDS question Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:52:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAABQNatM4DWq20A1q9BQNaus4DWr1z X-SpamScan: Suspected Spam Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Yes. On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:12 PM, Charlie Milkey wrote: > Hello All! > > I have been interested in getting one of the digitech RDS delay racks, > and i was wondering, with the looping, can you turn the delay time > knob and screw with the pitch while looping? > > > > Thanks, > Charlie > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 15:06:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8A9D3BF4A; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c0xGnkBtGluUd0Ybiw9gdDVxChicMMjO892UI/6sMRa8t6pjLnRRfEcD8CPFZYosKLIfYwHTD1FVl0gs4YBLnXqY3+kQqNXKiNM8IklgeGCGr3keEGnYoyMhjyWjDIQ5oNRUQPmpPVjx5ukNEzn7Qy6HHAqNwBsel0mvOZ3ZeHo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0608240806i6ed20059m750d9a1193625baf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:06:14 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Tape Speed" style pitch/speed variation In-Reply-To: <44EC7D29.5080709@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <36BB5620-177F-49E8-858C-39F72804DC68@gmail.com> <44EC7D29.5080709@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4U33m.A.BwE.oBc7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:06:16 +0000 (UTC) One the computer, the best plug-in I've found that does this is the Lexicon PSP42 plugin. I just wish the range of the pitch knob was greater! On 8/23/06, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > Definitely one of my favorite things about using tape, or the old DDL's. > The great thing about the old Digitech PDS-2000 and PDS-8000 pedals (and I > assume the rackmount versions) is that, if an echo is captured at one > extreme end of the delay time knob, twisting it to the extreme in the other > direction will yield a perfect smooth two-octave jump, with all the fun > microtones in between. > > The one thing I wish that worked was for the "delay range" toggle to hold > the echo in memory, so that a one-motion jump was also possible by switching > between the ranges, but such was not to be. > > Bill Frisell and Nels Cline are great illustrators of using and abusing the > loop speed/pitch "feature" of older DDL's. > > Daryl -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 16:12:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751D33BF3E; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=awMbaO1DAxoGWhb9fCgL9qkGf1X1qqwaMMAZ5JU22RKS53RrUDOp0Qi5tvRFrqtPclXBoo5ho39tiaNkRmMQU47kK5ti8dl7a9JniZgDWRnm26bIEnZT0pL4diOYS3iYgPXuqpcvgYkyYK9YOlEV/LDzHMXKTvUxk5NNjstLYyA= ; Message-ID: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:12:14 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: laptop-loopers (guitar) To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-813751158-1156435934=:50747" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:12:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-813751158-1156435934=:50747 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-gear to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser ( trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds". Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please send me info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your website-adress..... Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! best regards Rune F. www.runefagereng.com Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --0-813751158-1156435934=:50747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
 I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-gear to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser ( trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds".
 
Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? 
 
Please send me info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your website-adress.....
 
Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok !
 
best  regards Rune F.
 
 
 
      


www.runefagereng.com
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867 --0-813751158-1156435934=:50747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 16:24:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07ABB3BED5; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:24:22 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-2, 08/24/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5cJs0D.A.KfD.6Kd7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly because he's giving all his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his laptop for looping his guitar. I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't offer a ton of comparative experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my laptop and all I've used with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. --Josh rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-gear > to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser ( > trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds". > > Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the > same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? > > Please send me info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your > website-adress..... > > Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! > > best regards Rune F. > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 16:42:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A9383BF48; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:42:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) That right...I'm basically all laptop now for the guitar. I still have the option of using my Boss VF-1 as a preamp and "tone mangler" before going into my soundcard, but it's not essential to my setup. Rune, what is it that you'd like to know? I run both my PRS hollow-body guitar and Taylor nylon string through my laptop system. I run my mic through the system too for vocal looping on accasion. There are some VST effects that I use to help condition the tone of my guitar as well, so that is is warmer. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly because he's giving all > his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his laptop for looping his > guitar. > > I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't offer a ton of comparative > experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my laptop and all I've used > with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. > > --Josh > > > > rune fagereng wrote: >> Hi ! >> I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-gear to >> laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser ( trumpet) do >> love the their "laptop worlds". >> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the same >> good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please send me info on >> your experience, gear, soundclips and your website-adress..... >> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >> best regards Rune F. >> >> >> www.runefagereng.com >> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >> Mob: 917 95 867 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 18:06:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 490B03BF46; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bqCUZZKi6LzNjsrn4xLnChlGnFQwlfZzc8jndin4lwxkqSMPycJhCUgzBgx6qDz2d1eG/3609T+v3GjIfW15zplzDpv3FoJV+MRgK4wHZxAgXQcIBM5ebs4V0bNsmLwusidCUpLn16emDDIG8uOFh2GYrxaSUUsfCsnQ2rUcnYQ= ; Message-ID: <20060824180611.86050.qmail@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:06:17 +0000 (UTC) I too have forgone the dedicated hardware world in favor of Mobius. So far it's an amazing little system I have, but unlike Krispen I always run my guitar through a tube pre (Vox Tonlab SE) and VF-1 before it hits my laptop. I just really like the way those two work together and I'm still a bit nervous about handing over everything to something that runs on XP... not sure why, it hasn't crashed on me yet. The plus side of doing it this way is that if the ol' laptop dies my sound can continue. Do apps like IK's Amplitude or NI's Guitar Rig sound good? No idea. I'm just happy with stuff the way I have it so I see no need to change. Also, what I'd end up getting to control an app like that would most likely be about the same size as the Tonelab SE anyway, so there's little point in it. So how does the laptop work for guitar? I can't imagine it being any different than for any other instrument. It's not for someone who's used to (and wants) to run a few boutique stomp boxes into a tube combo amp. If that's what you seek, invest in a EDP. However, if you're the type who could care less about such things and don't mind turning your guitar's output into a line level that can then be screwed with, you'll find no better answer than a custom set up laptop running Mobius and a few choice plug-ins. ...and guess what? If you get yourself a machine with enough CPU power and RAM, while it's running Mobius it can be a Mini Moog, TR-808, Akai Sampler, TC Electronics G-Force... and stuff that doesn't exist in the Hardware world. --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > That right...I'm basically all laptop now for the > guitar. I still have the > option of using my Boss VF-1 as a preamp and "tone > mangler" before going > into my soundcard, but it's not essential to my > setup. > > Rune, what is it that you'd like to know? I run > both my PRS hollow-body > guitar and Taylor nylon string through my laptop > system. I run my mic > through the system too for vocal looping on > accasion. There are some VST > effects that I use to help condition the tone of my > guitar as well, so that > is is warmer. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Carroll" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > > > > Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly > because he's giving all > > his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his > laptop for looping his > > guitar. > > > > I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't > offer a ton of comparative > > experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my > laptop and all I've used > > with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. > > > > --Josh > > > > > > > > rune fagereng wrote: > >> Hi ! > >> I have noticed that some of you loopers have > gone from hardware-gear to > >> laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) > and Kaiser ( trumpet) do > >> love the their "laptop worlds". > >> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using > this gear, with the same > >> good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? > Please send me info on > >> your experience, gear, soundclips and your > website-adress..... > >> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! > >> best regards Rune F. > >> > >> > >> www.runefagereng.com > >> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > >> Mob: 917 95 867 > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 18:45:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AC1C3BF46; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:39:42 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-2, 08/24/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:45:04 +0000 (UTC) I'd personally like to know specifically what you're using to warm your tone. --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > That right...I'm basically all laptop now for the guitar. I still have > the option of using my Boss VF-1 as a preamp and "tone mangler" before > going into my soundcard, but it's not essential to my setup. > > Rune, what is it that you'd like to know? I run both my PRS > hollow-body guitar and Taylor nylon string through my laptop system. > I run my mic through the system too for vocal looping on accasion. > There are some VST effects that I use to help condition the tone of my > guitar as well, so that is is warmer. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > > >> Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly because he's giving >> all his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his laptop for >> looping his guitar. >> >> I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't offer a ton of >> comparative experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my laptop and >> all I've used with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> rune fagereng wrote: >>> Hi ! >>> I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from >>> hardware-gear to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and >>> Kaiser ( trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds". >>> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the >>> same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please send me >>> info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your website-adress..... >>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>> best regards Rune F. >>> >>> >>> www.runefagereng.com >>> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >>> Mob: 917 95 867 >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 18:51:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1FAD3BF41; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aShE+o2ZpuH75hoQj4CH5T90kPhpy0Rooo2WBKL/fR5iG7GLS2fx1OTByFx77lZ9DC9pcR6Hm3Xlefa7OGKdX0E+Tlj4i4ukkaRhKkBN//hC2P43smc3TahxKc9yAoTk+hEwpd6+gJ1Sudr0xBT6sKZT7NYfPobUPkqDTpjP64s= In-Reply-To: <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:51:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:51:20 +0000 (UTC) >> rune fagereng wrote: >>> Hi ! >>> I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-=20 >>> gear to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser =20= >>> ( trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds". >>> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with =20 >>> the same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please =20 >>> send me info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your =20 >>> website-adress..... >>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>> best regards Rune F. My "laptop world" is exactly the same when play guitar as any other =20 instrument. In my experience looping with guitar and laptop is not =20 much about the laptop. What matters is what you send into the laptop, =20= The Tone! If you have some amp, preamp or dist box that give you a =20 tone you like - use that and simply send it into the lappy instead of =20= the usual effect amplifier. I have many amps and boxes here and they =20 all bring out different colors from my Strat and Tele (both using lo =20 output "vintage style" pick-ups). I have a tube amp top (Sovtek =20 MIG60, double EL34 setup) that works well on clean sound if I go out =20 directly from the line out after the preamp section. But I never =20 carry that bitch to a gig, and it's way too loud when the dist starts =20= to sound good. I have a POD1 preamp that sounds good and that I =20 sometimes bring for laptop looping gigs, but I dislike the latency of =20= it. I also have a little 2x10" GallienKr=FCger combo that sounds =20 excellent when miked.... if you can stand the hiss ;-) I have lately =20= done some guitar playing directly through ordinary effect boxes right =20= into the laptop sound-card (RME Multiface or Ecco Indigo i/o). It's =20 very hard to give recommendation because they sound like shit in some =20= regards and I try to avoid playing stuff that brings those sides up =20 front ;-)) Sometimes I go through just an Ibanez TubeScreamer, =20 sometimes I use onlo an Octavia (just for the Strat and neck pick-up, =20= trimming the filter envelope of the string sound with the guitar's =20 tone knob), sometimes just my Big Muff and sometimes both the Big =20 Muff and the Octavia (a fav combo, but the noise hiss is just =20 screaming!!!) Last year, when I picked up a multi effect processor in the tc =20 Fireworx, I learned for the first time to play with a volume pedal. I =20= have always done my "violin style swell notes" with the volume knob =20 on the strat but using a pedal is very different and actually better =20 for looping (because whatever garbage you play through will be dead =20 silenced at the looper's input by a pedal - in my case a MIDI pedel. =20 Oh.... and I sometimes also use an AKAI MFC42 filter bank as "guitar =20 amp". It has an extremely rude dist that I love - not at all like a =20 typical guitar amp, more like some heavy synth dist, ugly and big =20 (I'm not very keen on those Marshall and Rectifier type sounds, as =20 you might have guessed). Oh yes, the fireworx... yes, it works fine =20 to just line the guitar right into. You asked for soundclips and here are some: 1. Stratocaster played through only an Octavia and lined directly: http://www.looproom.com/audio/edp_strat_01.mp3 (I like this sound - the Octavia makes the stratocaster sound a bit =20 like a tenor sax) 2. Stratocaster directly lined into laptop, only using a PSP =20 mixpressor plugin on the input (ouch, horrible latency. Hate it!): http://www.looproom.com/audio/Numerology_Augustus_Looping2.mp3 3. Stratocaster played though a TubeScreamer right into the laptop (I =20= like that setup because it doesn't add latency): http://www.looproom.com/audio/Playing_Guitar_Solo_Through_My_Laptop.mp3 4. POD: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Slowing_Down_Not_Stopping.mp3 5. Stratocaster directly lined into laptop, only using a PSP =20 mixpressor plugin on the input (ouch, horrible latency. Hate it!) http://www.looproom.com/audio/Numerology_Augustus_Looping.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 19:01:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6132A3BF54; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:00:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:01:00 +0000 (UTC) I am using a VST effect called Voxengo Tube Amp - http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/ I compared the tone of this particular VST with about 20 other VST amp and tube simulators...for the tone I like, this one beat them all. But I only use this for my electric guitar. For my nylon string or steel string acoustic, I just run straight into the chain of my 60 something VST effects (deactivated until I need them). I am also running the BuzzComp Granular compressor after Mobius (VST), in case my output gets out of controll and needs taming. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:39 AM Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > I'd personally like to know specifically what you're using to warm your > tone. > > --Josh > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> That right...I'm basically all laptop now for the guitar. I still have >> the option of using my Boss VF-1 as a preamp and "tone mangler" before >> going into my soundcard, but it's not essential to my setup. >> >> Rune, what is it that you'd like to know? I run both my PRS hollow-body >> guitar and Taylor nylon string through my laptop system. I run my mic >> through the system too for vocal looping on accasion. There are some VST >> effects that I use to help condition the tone of my guitar as well, so >> that is is warmer. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM >> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) >> >> >>> Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly because he's giving >>> all his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his laptop for looping >>> his guitar. >>> >>> I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't offer a ton of >>> comparative experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my laptop and >>> all I've used with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> rune fagereng wrote: >>>> Hi ! >>>> I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-gear >>>> to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser ( trumpet) >>>> do love the their "laptop worlds". >>>> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the >>>> same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please send me >>>> info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your website-adress..... >>>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>>> best regards Rune F. >>>> >>>> >>>> www.runefagereng.com >>>> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >>>> Mob: 917 95 867 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 19:06:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CF873BF58; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Qbnvu5rLiCJD9fNsums2y/x9tTOmMEYFwrIEBC9jaX7LNpTU/dsjnNhfjvRfzCpSeh9ppX3OYCiBVVBuTecCQbH2jqJdRjtrozN9zJTRAYNJx3P4HVHKlF7IlIg9+7Fqsr5kPCkavJtWe3BIPGuyI9qcau+69n+tJnR9yigmZwI= Message-ID: <655453da0608241206r6b98543dj900c03c364469a7e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:06:32 -0400 From: systemaddict To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:06:34 +0000 (UTC) I see four main advantages of the Electrix Repeater over the RC-50. 1. Multiply loop- allows you to double, quadruple, etc. the length of the length. You can lay down 1 bar and make it 8 bars- EXTREMELY useful. 2. Pitch-shifting and time stretch - I don't believe the RC-50 has any capabilites 3. Adjustable Feedback i.e. <100% The RC-50 is not adjustable at 100% 4. Loop Point Assist and better sync capabilities The advantage of the RC-50 is that it gives you an extra stereo track (3 as opposed to 2 on the Repeater). HOWEVER any discussion at this point is academic, since nobody can actually buy a Repeater. So the real question is, does it even matter how much better the Repeater is if you can't get one? How much better does it need to be to justify Electrix stringing their (potential) customers along with false information and promises? Is it worth the (undetermined) wait? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 19:36:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECA313BF4B; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005901c6c7b4$ac537870$f48ffe91@parsick> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Subject: WTB: Lapsteel guitar Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:34:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004E_01C6C7C5.1F9B3D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:36:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C6C7C5.1F9B3D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I=B4m in the market for a lapsteel guitar, preferably a model by = Guya/Guyatone (don=B4t know the model number) with screw-in legs or a = similar model by another maker. I don=B4t really mind whether it=B4s a = vintage classic or not, I=B4m into a) playability (clear markings on the = fretboard) and b) sound only. I=B4m located in Germany, thus offers from = Europe would be ideal. If you=B4ve got something you think I might be = interested in, please get in touch with me off-list. Thanks for reading, Stephen.=20 ____________________________________________________________ "Pay respect to the vultures, for they are your future." (Jhonn Balance = / Coil) It=B4s out: "doombient.two -- a declaration of war", the new [=B4ramp] = album, recorded live in 2003. Limited to 100 copies only so get it while you still can. For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C6C7C5.1F9B3D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I=B4m in the market for a lapsteel = guitar, preferably=20 a model by Guya/Guyatone (don=B4t know the model number) with screw-in = legs or a=20 similar model by another maker. I don=B4t really mind whether it=B4s a = vintage=20 classic or not, I=B4m into a) playability (clear markings on the = fretboard) and b)=20 sound only. I=B4m located in Germany, thus offers from Europe would be = ideal. If=20 you=B4ve got something you think I might be interested in, = please get in=20 touch with me off-list.
 
Thanks for reading,
 
Stephen. 
 

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"Pay respect to the vultures, for they are your future." (Jhonn = Balance /=20 Coil)
 
It=B4s out: "doombient.two -- a declaration of war", the new = [=B4ramp] album,=20 recorded live in 2003.
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C6C7C5.1F9B3D30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 19:39:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 372013BF4B; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:references:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=unPFejmILMJI9J0JMRfnWAE4gYVrM4pQdo/lAv9glB93yGu33cirQUtBHlcophKXk42AcPRdGiMdvA4kXCkBnooUkym3xAkrDrxzZZYIDG1f/dP5jHo9FG1vqEALre3/eXq62j3zBg1/crefLd92SBDs+N1K+76sbRgXndWAYNc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:39:37 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:39:44 +0000 (UTC) On 24 aug 2006, at 20.51, Per Boysen wrote: >>>> , soundclips and your website-adress..... >>>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>>> best regards Rune F. Oops, speaking about soundclips, I forgot to post this short clip of playing a telecaster through a tc FireworX directly into a laptop (looping with Mobius): http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 I think that's wrapping up all the guitar/laptop solutions I have been trying out lately. I finally got bored with guitar and bought a flute instead. I think I will move to some completely electronic instrument before eventually returning to guitar in a the future. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 20:00:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B8903BF47; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=OM5uiG2i7OxmC70BA1vHKnToSMAaHOqEVA9dMvEbL+JpBQUmHyQu5hqdBnu+2If1; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <21426380.1156449627126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Lipnick Reply-To: Andrew Lipnick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What controller for laptop loopers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 5b27c92635b372f01aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79139ed3377373b0446ef5bf80f3b90300350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.49 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Ah, the debate rages on: I am considering changing to a laptop looper (most likely Mobius). I am primarily a guitarist and for me the software and especially the hardware interface will be key. What do you all feel is the most ergonomic controller for this purpose? I have an old Ground Control foot controller with some pedals to get me started. Any thoughts on this are appreciated. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 20:07:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66D193BF47; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:06:51 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-2, 08/24/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Kris, I know this is getting OT, but do you have a sound clip of you looping your electric? I'd like to hear the tone you get with that plug. I looked at it several years ago when it first came out and thought it was pretty good but had no real need for it. However, looping the mic'd sound of an electric amp is tricky to say the least... especially without a dedicated noise gate or something similar. --Josh Krispen Hartung wrote: > I am using a VST effect called Voxengo Tube Amp - > http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/ I compared the tone of this > particular VST with about 20 other VST amp and tube simulators...for > the tone I like, this one beat them all. > > But I only use this for my electric guitar. For my nylon string or > steel string acoustic, I just run straight into the chain of my 60 > something VST effects (deactivated until I need them). > > I am also running the BuzzComp Granular compressor after Mobius (VST), > in case my output gets out of controll and needs taming. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > > >> I'd personally like to know specifically what you're using to warm >> your tone. >> >> --Josh >> >> >> >> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>> That right...I'm basically all laptop now for the guitar. I still >>> have the option of using my Boss VF-1 as a preamp and "tone mangler" >>> before going into my soundcard, but it's not essential to my setup. >>> >>> Rune, what is it that you'd like to know? I run both my PRS >>> hollow-body guitar and Taylor nylon string through my laptop >>> system. I run my mic through the system too for vocal looping on >>> accasion. There are some VST effects that I use to help condition >>> the tone of my guitar as well, so that is is warmer. >>> >>> Kris >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM >>> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) >>> >>> >>>> Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly because he's >>>> giving all his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his laptop >>>> for looping his guitar. >>>> >>>> I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't offer a ton of >>>> comparative experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my laptop >>>> and all I've used with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. >>>> >>>> --Josh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> rune fagereng wrote: >>>>> Hi ! >>>>> I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from >>>>> hardware-gear to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) >>>>> and Kaiser ( trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds". >>>>> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with >>>>> the same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please >>>>> send me info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your >>>>> website-adress..... >>>>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>>>> best regards Rune F. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> www.runefagereng.com >>>>> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >>>>> Mob: 917 95 867 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 20:37:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98A723BF47; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.236.152.193] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <21426380.1156449627126.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: "aaron leese" To: alipnick@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: What controller for laptop loopers Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:37:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2006 20:37:52.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C13A870:01C6C7BD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Most laptop loopers use midi controllers as their interface. Ableton Live is good for this (and the new version ... out soon ... is adding additional functionality in this area). See Kid Beyond for examples. The problem here is that it's rather complicated to set up. I believe Mobius allows you to map midi commands to functions, but I have only just started experimenting with it, so someone else will have to fill you in on the details. Obviously a good program though. Also, there is a small utility online at flyloops.com that can handle 5 indepedent loops, and allows you to map to midi controllers and assign various functions. It's a pain in the ass though, because the programmer did the program in C#, so you need to install the .NET environment to run it (oops). I still think it's a good program though because it doesn't stack loops - it keeps them in parellel, so you can undo/redo/multiply easier than most loopers. now to hardware: If the foot controller you have is not a midi controller, you may want to look into buying the Behringer FCB1010 or something similar. Alternatively, you can use a keyboard style midi controller and set loops to record/ play / trigger events / effects when you hit a certain keyboad key .... and to a limited extend control effects and volumes with midi sliders. I'm guessing since you a guitarist though, you will probably want to go with the foot controller. >From: Andrew Lipnick >Reply-To: Andrew Lipnick >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: What controller for laptop loopers >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:00:26 -0400 (EDT) > >Ah, the debate rages on: >I am considering changing to a laptop looper (most likely Mobius). I am >primarily a guitarist and for me the software and especially the hardware >interface will be key. What do you all feel is the most ergonomic >controller for this purpose? >I have an old Ground Control foot controller with some pedals to get me >started. Any thoughts on this are appreciated. > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Spaces is here! It’s easy to create your own personal Web site. http://spaces.live.com/signup.aspx From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 20:45:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B1D13BF44; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011101c6c7be$2aa0c210$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:44:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:45:02 +0000 (UTC) I forgot too. I posted this a while back - it is a MP3 sample of my notebook looping system....no loops, just a tour of the VST effects. http://www.box.net/public/fobok5z5dy (notebook sample) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > On 24 aug 2006, at 20.51, Per Boysen wrote: > >>>>> , soundclips and your website-adress..... >>>>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>>>> best regards Rune F. > > > Oops, speaking about soundclips, I forgot to post this short clip of > playing a telecaster through a tc FireworX directly into a laptop > (looping with Mobius): > http://www.looproom.com/audio/mobjam2.mp3 > > I think that's wrapping up all the guitar/laptop solutions I have been > trying out lately. I finally got bored with guitar and bought a flute > instead. I think I will move to some completely electronic instrument > before eventually returning to guitar in a the future. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 20:48:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C2D63BF48; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:48:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011801c6c7be$98747340$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 14:48:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:48:06 +0000 (UTC) That last sample I used it the closest thing I have....the thing is that converting to notebook-only is so recent for me that I have no decent gig or studio recordings. My last performance was with Jeff Kaiser at the Boise Experimental Music Festival, and that was my hardware/software hybrid system. I'll see if I can generate a simple loop clip in the next few days to illustrate the tone of the electric through my system....no massive tone mangling VSTs, just the guitar, Voxgengo, and some light reverb/chorus/delay. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > Kris, > > I know this is getting OT, but do you have a sound clip of you looping > your electric? I'd like to hear the tone you get with that plug. I > looked at it several years ago when it first came out and thought it was > pretty good but had no real need for it. However, looping the mic'd sound > of an electric amp is tricky to say the least... especially without a > dedicated noise gate or something similar. > > --Josh > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I am using a VST effect called Voxengo Tube Amp - >> http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/ I compared the tone of this >> particular VST with about 20 other VST amp and tube simulators...for the >> tone I like, this one beat them all. >> >> But I only use this for my electric guitar. For my nylon string or steel >> string acoustic, I just run straight into the chain of my 60 something >> VST effects (deactivated until I need them). >> >> I am also running the BuzzComp Granular compressor after Mobius (VST), in >> case my output gets out of controll and needs taming. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) >> >> >>> I'd personally like to know specifically what you're using to warm your >>> tone. >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>> That right...I'm basically all laptop now for the guitar. I still have >>>> the option of using my Boss VF-1 as a preamp and "tone mangler" before >>>> going into my soundcard, but it's not essential to my setup. >>>> >>>> Rune, what is it that you'd like to know? I run both my PRS >>>> hollow-body guitar and Taylor nylon string through my laptop system. I >>>> run my mic through the system too for vocal looping on accasion. There >>>> are some VST effects that I use to help condition the tone of my guitar >>>> as well, so that is is warmer. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM >>>> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly because he's giving >>>>> all his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his laptop for looping >>>>> his guitar. >>>>> >>>>> I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't offer a ton of >>>>> comparative experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my laptop and >>>>> all I've used with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. >>>>> >>>>> --Josh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> rune fagereng wrote: >>>>>> Hi ! >>>>>> I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-gear >>>>>> to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser ( >>>>>> trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds". >>>>>> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the >>>>>> same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please send me >>>>>> info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your >>>>>> website-adress..... >>>>>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>>>>> best regards Rune F. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> www.runefagereng.com >>>>>> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >>>>>> Mob: 917 95 867 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 21:59:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014BF3BEF0; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:59:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Josh - I just whipped up a quick and vanilla recording of one of my original jazz tunes, called "Blue & Brown"...nothing special, and probably enough clams in this MP3 to feed an army, but it's a crowd pleaser at my Monday night jazz gig, nonetheless. :) To avoid coloring the tone and introducing bias into the recoding, I did not run through my Boss VF-1 for this, but plugged my PRS hollow body jazz guitar directly into my notebook's soundcard. What you hear is the guitar, Voxengo Tube Amp, Chorus, Delay, and Reverb VST effects, and the Edge VST for the bass loop. There are three guitar parts in this recording: bass, guitar comping, and head/soloing. http://www.box.net/public/m18s73h7bq Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > Kris, > > I know this is getting OT, but do you have a sound clip of you looping > your electric? I'd like to hear the tone you get with that plug. I > looked at it several years ago when it first came out and thought it was > pretty good but had no real need for it. However, looping the mic'd sound > of an electric amp is tricky to say the least... especially without a > dedicated noise gate or something similar. > > --Josh > > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> I am using a VST effect called Voxengo Tube Amp - >> http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/ I compared the tone of this >> particular VST with about 20 other VST amp and tube simulators...for the >> tone I like, this one beat them all. >> >> But I only use this for my electric guitar. For my nylon string or steel >> string acoustic, I just run straight into the chain of my 60 something >> VST effects (deactivated until I need them). >> >> I am also running the BuzzComp Granular compressor after Mobius (VST), in >> case my output gets out of controll and needs taming. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:39 AM >> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) >> >> >>> I'd personally like to know specifically what you're using to warm your >>> tone. >>> >>> --Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> Krispen Hartung wrote: >>>> That right...I'm basically all laptop now for the guitar. I still have >>>> the option of using my Boss VF-1 as a preamp and "tone mangler" before >>>> going into my soundcard, but it's not essential to my setup. >>>> >>>> Rune, what is it that you'd like to know? I run both my PRS >>>> hollow-body guitar and Taylor nylon string through my laptop system. I >>>> run my mic through the system too for vocal looping on accasion. There >>>> are some VST effects that I use to help condition the tone of my guitar >>>> as well, so that is is warmer. >>>> >>>> Kris >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Carroll" >>>> >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:24 AM >>>> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, I'm sure Krispen will chime in here shortly because he's giving >>>>> all his hardware the boot in favor of Mobius on his laptop for looping >>>>> his guitar. >>>>> >>>>> I'm brand new to looping in general so I can't offer a ton of >>>>> comparative experience, but I'm also am using Mobius on my laptop and >>>>> all I've used with it is acoustic guitar so far, and I love it. >>>>> >>>>> --Josh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> rune fagereng wrote: >>>>>> Hi ! >>>>>> I have noticed that some of you loopers have gone from hardware-gear >>>>>> to laptops. I have also learned that Boysen (sax) and Kaiser ( >>>>>> trumpet) do love the their "laptop worlds". >>>>>> Are there are any guitarplayers out there using this gear, with the >>>>>> same good experience? Does it work with guitars too ? Please send me >>>>>> info on your experience, gear, soundclips and your >>>>>> website-adress..... >>>>>> Any laptop-looping-gear-info is ok ! >>>>>> best regards Rune F. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> www.runefagereng.com >>>>>> Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no >>>>>> Mob: 917 95 867 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 22:27:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87B603BF46; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:27:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: What controller for laptop loopers Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:27:22 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000b01c6c7cc$781a4080$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbHvS1WtVBcCBF9SGmCaxQ/s6WWUwACnYSQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:27:30 +0000 (UTC) > Most laptop loopers use midi controllers as their interface. > Ableton Live is good for this (and the new version ... out > soon ... is adding additional functionality in this area). > See Kid Beyond for examples. The problem here is that it's > rather complicated to set up. The way I see it, Live! (at least up to and including major release 5) sucks dick with regard to controller mapping. Basically, you can assign controllers to specific functions (transport, mixer, clip editing and also parameters of VSTs if they map them to the host). There is a MIDI learn feature, and it works well with different styles of relative controller mappings (and even will recognize them correctly most of the time), so my experience is that it's easy (although time-consuming) to set up. However there are a lot of complaints for me: 1. You can only do a 1:1 mapping, meaning one MIDI source to one function. 2. Only notes and CCs can be used as MIDI sources (no PCs) 3. No scaling or curves for mapping the MIDI source value range (for CCs) to the (continuous) targets 4. For some inexplicable reason, some functions cannot be controlled by MIDI. Take e.g. the pre/post switches for the auxes. 5. Live! will not differentiate between different MIDI ports. That means that if you got a MIDI fader box on one MIDI port and a foot controller on another one, they cannot use cc#1 on ch1 and control different things with it. 6. Live! will not forward any MIDI messages defined for control to the tracks. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 22:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95CFA3BF4C; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:30:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: PS: What controller for laptop loopers Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:30:40 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c6c7cc$ee289290$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000b01c6c7cc$781a4080$0101a8c0@succubus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcbHvS1WtVBcCBF9SGmCaxQ/s6WWUwACnYSQAAFHDOA= Resent-Message-ID: <7uPBND.A.1gC.Yii7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:30:48 +0000 (UTC) > > See Kid Beyond for examples. The problem here is that it's rather > > complicated to set up. > > The way I see it, Live! (at least up to and including major > release 5) sucks dick with regard to controller mapping. Actually, I seem to remember Kid Beyond uses a piece of software to map his foot controller to something which works with Live! There is a video on Ableton's site where Andrew talks about his setup and how he uses this specific MIDI mapper thing. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 24 22:57:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DDCA3BF45; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N7q6C9xhf+gsGNwr6xIzvL+22zilpgi8Mq/IOLnYW36pWBEAGY+WxC66JhXmzRl3M1oZClqWECnRGuuo6Bttcb1jLMESbWwdzlSYNOzH84rg2RxEQ84i50UST4aognJsoJHE3Wnwfakeu8ZLEoLZ2h2EtAwIiujr+6MOeYh9QqI= ; Message-ID: <20060824225717.79956.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <655453da0608241206r6b98543dj900c03c364469a7e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) The Repeater is readily available on ebay for any who wants one... you might find mine up there soon. --- systemaddict wrote: > HOWEVER any discussion at this point is academic, > since nobody can > actually buy a Repeater. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 01:50:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F14A3BF47; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jDWTpWiwpmxbEUdDmUF4QkFUK6Ry38wtJ6hSPhUf8C1oesve+oj0yGLKSdo8Iv18; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22006852515617310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.2.15.0 (Windows) From: "mungenast@earthlink.net" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: VF-1 dead? Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:56:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94022d747333eab42352ccf1ec5e19f313c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.196 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:50:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gang: Last night my Boss VF-1 decided not to power-up. It won't even light up... no audio, no front-panel display. The transformer works just fine --- could the power input jack suddenly have developed a crappy connection, or does it sound like something more dire?I'd open it up myself but I'm afraid of giving a vital chip a static shock or something stupid like that. Should I start saying the kaddish for this wonderful red box, the basis of my sound? (And I never got to even try the vocoder patch... waaaaahhhhh!!) I'd be very grateful for any help. Peace, Tim www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com mungenast@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Gang:
 
Last night my Boss VF-1 decided not to power-up. It won't even light up... no audio, no front-panel display. The transformer works just fine --- could the power input jack suddenly have developed a crappy connection, or does it sound like something more dire?I'd open it up myself but I'm afraid of giving a vital chip a static shock or something stupid like that.
 
Should I start saying the kaddish for this wonderful red box, the basis of my sound?
 
(And I never got to even try the vocoder patch... waaaaahhhhh!!)
 
I'd be very grateful for any help.
 
Peace,
Tim
 
 
 
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 06:52:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F8AC3BF3E; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ugz7SmyIC9QKc+dXOQunIc0q9+59jkHvuyGLuTTeykMfISOdh7DKQlhfkZEOnSTmBfJdyxZPhskmFf7bQKvMSdqPAkNht6YfzYbu+RIbQO3e4w9iyY1HssqEfQBh1bQn/9qPxTYH5hd+/4Hm9kEEPsEDA2isiBnVNJM91OKd4X0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000b01c6c7cc$781a4080$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000b01c6c7cc$781a4080$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: What controller for laptop loopers Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:52:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:52:39 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2006, at 00.27, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > 6. Live! will not forward any MIDI messages defined for control to the > tracks. ...but you can set up a "MIDI Through". Just create a new MIDI Track and set its MIDI In and MIDI Out as you want to forward (by using MIDI Channel as well as IAC bus channel, if using OSX, or MIDI Yoke channel if using XP. MIDI Yoke is a third party hack that you have to download and install which gives you 16 OS internal MIDI channels in Windows XP: can even send MIDI between applications - just like a Mac!) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 06:54:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D343BF3E; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=maC7TdzUkSeW9209B8hE1mYR6V1b/ULd8AuG5Ndh2oaPJV9lTF1JurDliM2MPBU+pDseowlPgMHkqtYVLf30A3jZEqx3HNFHStEzds2KJEIuku/FYY9s1PjBysG4bN+RJ+ELcQkvX5OYHTVCp/kdVLBhYLhnCUD6bwpJ4lepwUY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000c01c6c7cc$ee289290$0101a8c0@succubus> References: <000c01c6c7cc$ee289290$0101a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: PS: What controller for laptop loopers Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:54:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3UVBmB.A.moH.S6p7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:54:10 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2006, at 00.30, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Actually, I seem to remember Kid Beyond uses a piece of software to > map his > foot controller to something which works with Live! http://www.bome.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 07:02:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A5043BF52; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Fgg7QHR/rdy+RELPeqMZ32E+VDvOOgBzlmN08Zv8VM5kC+ZKFgiC9HTTesabWf007t08VyFD4B6GCcwtgNXHlTFVzAcSAi4U20A6PWASd93oH2dP9ZSZBJabULVGlFSSNKfXi1lzCDCLKwJFimFG7b/er6YqzFToOJCbXjTJWk0= In-Reply-To: <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:02:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5ypIOC.A.J3H.SCq7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:02:42 +0000 (UTC) On 24 aug 2006, at 23.59, Krispen Hartung wrote: > What you hear is the guitar, Voxengo Tube Amp, Chorus, Delay, and > Reverb VST effects, and the Edge VST for the bass loop. There are > three guitar parts in this recording: bass, guitar comping, and > head/soloing. > > http://www.box.net/public/m18s73h7bq Very nice sound, indeed! Good playing and a nice jazz vamp you cooked up there . Tank you for posting this nice ring modulator free clip to give us a chance to hear what your PRS actually sounds like ;-) Nice tone in that guitar! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 11:48:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA7643BEFC; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:48:29 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0607281105u68e5848j7073b8e3a831086e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060825114829.173720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <55e79c0d0607281105u68e5848j7073b8e3a831086e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 Latency Issues To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Dan > But I figure it was time for some "variation" and the RC50 looked good. > There is definitely a latency issue on this unit. When I got my RC-50, I made the mistake it had some latency problems. I found out that I had some Loop Sync settings that were fooling me. You should have no problem when you perform these steps: - turn off the Ryhthm Guide (actively to OFF) - turn off Loop Sync - turn off Tempo Sync for each of the three Phrases The only thing - that is already well-known - is that the recorded loop has some "muted playback" in the first repetition, however everything sounds in perfect sync after. best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 12:10:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1148F3BF25; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:10:01 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <0J3N00H4T5GGO100@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Message-ID: <20060825121001.173730@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0J3N00H4T5GGO100@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jesse > finding out that, using this option, there was a 1-2 full > second gap of unrecorded audio left at the end of the initial loop. Just read your mail. If you have 1-2 full second gaps, you _definitely_ have wrong timing settings on your RC-50 - _not_ a "latency" issue. Try the following: - Turn down Ryhthm Guide knob all the way down to OFF - Turn off Loop Sync - Turn off Tempo Sync for each of the three Phrases best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" – 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 12:21:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 358FF3BF21; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:20:59 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <529.57b464a.32090ea9@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060825122059.173720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <529.57b464a.32090ea9@aol.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 software update rumor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:21:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi John > somewhere back in the discussion of rc-50 issues, it came up that an > update > was in the making for sure. does anyone remember how, when that came up? It was Christian Rover from Germany. (see below) Might wanna check with his sources. Hope it is true that there will be an update.... Buzap ~~~~~~~~ just thought you might want to know that an official software update to the RC-50 is planned for late August/early autumn adressing among others: - the dreaded hickup - adding a "clicktrack" sound - improving MIDI reliability Also a video is in the works. Best regards to all Christian Rover BTW I just finished a review for "Gitarre & Bass" which should appear in the August/September issue for all of you who are delighted to loop in german as well ;-) chrisrover@aol.com www.christianrover.com -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 14:34:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 852BC3BF19; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EF09DE.8010602@sarth.net> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:31:58 -0400 From: Sarth User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What controller for laptop loopers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:34:27 +0000 (UTC) aaron leese wrote: > The problem here is that it's rather complicated to set up. I wouldn't say that is fair. I don't know of any software interface which handles remote MIDI control setup in an easier way than Live. -- Sarth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 16:00:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5E213BEFC; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:59:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per! Yes, I suppose the group was wondering whether there was a "real guitar" under all those sound clips that I post of me playing. Sometimes it is fun to just play without all the massive tone mangling. In fact, for me it is much more challenging to play exerimental guitar with just the sound of the guitar (and some basic finishing effects like chorus and reverb), then when playing through tons of tone mangling VST effects like Reaktor, PSP84, Pluggo, Hipno, etc, etc. This goes back to the thread we had on Derek Baily and improvisation. When you just have your bare strings and wood of the guitar, it's like removing all the "dressing" around the window pane, and you just have the raw notes and instrument tones to work with....no window dressing, i.e., massive tone altering effects. Although I know there is an underying debate going on regarding whether effects are an instrument in themselves or not....I am somewhat neutral on this for now, but one part of in me wants to reduce effects to non-instruments when a traditional instrument is the primary sound generator, but consider effects (laptops included) inststruments when they are stand-alone music/tone generators. This is just a thought hypothosis, not a statement of fact. For example, when I am on my laptop with no guitar plugged in, and I am using some Reaktor instruments to generate ambient textures, sequences, tones, etc...I consider my laptop an instrument. But when I run my guitar through my laptop and use VST effects to alter the tone, even if beyond recognition, I sconsider my guitar the instrument (not the laptop...unless I am adding VST instrument tones in parallel). And in this latter case, the effects are actually making it easier for me to be creative with what I do on the guitar. Dare I say the VST effects are potentially a creative crutch here, but that would be a value statement. It's like being asked to create a painting, and you get a pallet with 50 shades of colors on it, plus some sand, mud, plastic, wood, and other things to add texture to the canvas.....vs. only having the primary colors. The analogy is not perfect, but hopefully conveys the gist of what VST effects can do to help expand you creative potential with the guitar, vs having to eek it all out with just your instrument. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:02 AM Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) > On 24 aug 2006, at 23.59, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> What you hear is the guitar, Voxengo Tube Amp, Chorus, Delay, and >> Reverb VST effects, and the Edge VST for the bass loop. There are three >> guitar parts in this recording: bass, guitar comping, and head/soloing. >> >> http://www.box.net/public/m18s73h7bq > > > Very nice sound, indeed! Good playing and a nice jazz vamp you cooked up > there . Tank you for posting this nice ring modulator free clip to give > us a chance to hear what your PRS actually sounds like ;-) Nice tone in > that guitar! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 16:08:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6AA3BF36; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:08:35 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002101c6c860$b8229e90$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcbIX4jYEtj+PzeETCWkdCgdDogY4wAAJSqQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:08:44 +0000 (UTC) > not....I am somewhat neutral on this for now, but one part of > in me wants to reduce effects to non-instruments when a > traditional instrument is the primary sound generator, but > consider effects (laptops included) inststruments when they > are stand-alone music/tone generators. This is just a Ok, let's see where this will lead us...let's say you got a DL4 with a sweep delay, or a laptop with OhmBoyz. There is a setting on the depth/feedback (vs. resonance/feedback) knobs where the effect will do nothing on its own, just react to your guitar (or whatever). Then there is a setting where the effect will start to generate huge washes of noise all by itself. And there is the range in between where by the tick of a knob it will turn from a "tame" effect into something which will start to self-oscillate by just a tiny increase in brownian motion. And you're telling me this tick of the knob removes the "non-" from "non-instrument"? ;-), Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 16:36:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE4253BF30; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02da01c6c864$9ac5d8e0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002101c6c860$b8229e90$0101a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:36:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <5_uaWC.A.c6H.Lcy7EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:36:27 +0000 (UTC) You just found the gray area, Rainer. I knew you would. :) Okay, here we go.... I admit, it's not black and white, and when it comes to some effects, there is a lot of "fuzziness". As you say, there are effects where some parameters will just start taking a life of their own, independent of the guitar. Another example in addition to yours is that when you play one note on the guitar, and the effects takes over from that point, allowing you to tweak parameters, manipulate the tone, and so on. So you play one note on the guitar, and add some infinite delay...then you take the output of that delay and start adding pitch, filtering, feedback, modulation and until you are basically creating your sound with nothing but effects....and in fact, at that point you may very well have set the guitar down after you used it to play its single contributing note. Yes, I would consider the effect the instrument at that point, because you are actually tweaking the effect to generate new sounds. The guitar becomes secondary. Now let' take that sound clip I provided a while back, which was a sample of all the VST effects in my laptop system. For that clip, I did no effect parameter tweaking. I played the guitar the entire time and just switched from one VST effect to another. I let the effect do its thing to my guitar, but the whole time I was in control of my guitar and providing 100% of the raw input to be mangled by the effects. In that case, I do not consider the effects as an instrument. I was not touching or manipulating anything on my notebook. I was not using the effects, as in hands on manipulation to produce new sounds, which is what we typically do with instruments, right? Rather, the effects were window dressing around my initial guitar tone. Maybe some would call pressing a button to switch from one VST to another, using the laptop as an instrument. I dont'. That's just button pushing for the sake of colorizing my guitar. I do not regret using this window dressing, but as an artist, I do have to admit that I feel that window dressing diminishes the creative purity of my work. Again, this is a value statement of my own subjective perspective here, but it's authentic nonetheless. I am not going to take artistic credit for all the cool sounds my VST effects produce (this goes to the developers), rather I will only take credit for the playing behind those effects, the actual notes, articulation, dynamics, creative note placement and choice, etc These things come from me, not the VST effects. If I strip away all the effects, what I end up with is pure "me" and guitar. There is no hiding at that point. Hypothetically, if I cam a crappy guitarist who has only played my instrument for a year, I can no doubt use VST effects and looping to produce some seemingly professional ambient sounds and tones, and I have seen this done. But it doesn't change the fact that I am an amateur guitarist with a limited grasp of my instrument as a creative tool. Nothing can change this but hard work and time. Out of desperation as an artist and someone who has been reading, teaching, writing, and playing music for almost 30 years, I cling to the idea that talent and hard work at learning a traditional instrument still has value and worth amidst this world of technology and gadgetry. Call me a traditionalist, but I still hold (based on feeling) the traditional instrument and chops in high regard. That example above, where I could play one note and then let the effects and my parameter tweaking do the rest. That is interesting and impressive to me, but it does not gain my respect as an artist, nor does add to my own integrity as an artist. That's just my opinion. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: laptop-loopers (guitar) > >> not....I am somewhat neutral on this for now, but one part of >> in me wants to reduce effects to non-instruments when a >> traditional instrument is the primary sound generator, but >> consider effects (laptops included) inststruments when they >> are stand-alone music/tone generators. This is just a > > Ok, let's see where this will lead us...let's say you got a DL4 with a > sweep > delay, or a laptop with OhmBoyz. There is a setting on the depth/feedback > (vs. resonance/feedback) knobs where the effect will do nothing on its > own, > just react to your guitar (or whatever). Then there is a setting where the > effect will start to generate huge washes of noise all by itself. And > there > is the range in between where by the tick of a knob it will turn from a > "tame" effect into something which will start to self-oscillate by just a > tiny increase in brownian motion. And you're telling me this tick of the > knob removes the "non-" from "non-instrument"? > > ;-), > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 16:47:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60E13BF1C; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NNnfZ6HA14/QvUYe2s65ZBgUkqItBHqP+2zZ6h1vET1jWNsIRsP/bGsyEdFgb6kCNcK/6vamQ2Pq6vsyiqPncllzNp/5+tgkat8XChG8wWCVkKOCwI7b32NKhVHWJpp+V4aboNnfkfTEZnZW3HJaPv9c9mv4GehKJHs617pHes4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:47:16 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: laptop-loopers (guitar) In-Reply-To: <002101c6c860$b8229e90$0101a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002101c6c860$b8229e90$0101a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:47:18 +0000 (UTC) When I meet someone who says their instrument is a DL4 and spends years expressing themselves using that as their primary source of audio information, I'll consider it an instrument. Until then, it's an effect. TravisH On 8/25/06, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > not....I am somewhat neutral on this for now, but one part of > > in me wants to reduce effects to non-instruments when a > > traditional instrument is the primary sound generator, but > > consider effects (laptops included) inststruments when they > > are stand-alone music/tone generators. This is just a > > Ok, let's see where this will lead us...let's say you got a DL4 with a sweep > delay, or a laptop with OhmBoyz. There is a setting on the depth/feedback > (vs. resonance/feedback) knobs where the effect will do nothing on its own, > just react to your guitar (or whatever). Then there is a setting where the > effect will start to generate huge washes of noise all by itself. And there > is the range in between where by the tick of a knob it will turn from a > "tame" effect into something which will start to self-oscillate by just a > tiny increase in brownian motion. And you're telling me this tick of the > knob removes the "non-" from "non-instrument"? > > ;-), > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 17:59:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94E073BF30; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GGXJwZZc0XEd2EsSVz2NOuy6PvNccSd7P3WhBJCEhSkfcmI/FKGOgSY8Jd3zYW7LtdNOjepVzZZSm0no13VUsIpJEhp6kfYPytMXxr1QZOO11YsFRNgA9kyL0J6gCpq2kGa2QHaSeIkn2F0HfJYiN1iQYPdbU/Y10m5buss8Ew0= ; Message-ID: <20060825175953.93140.qmail@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: more varispeed questions, yay! To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:59:55 +0000 (UTC) as i understand it, the pitch function on the boss sp-202 functions like this. someone please correct me if i'm wrong. also, what is the range of pitch shift possible with the knob? is it an octave in either direction (half speed and double speed)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 18:32:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967893BF0A; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:32:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UDZ9CeEZGTwC7fkHW5nhjcEzRfSaIJa/qS7MKuOGO6elyrNefTPmDhm4rHrYLOkwwpb+ODjuoM+zssqztm+lfMCwIXOG7PnoE7ARW3vNBzshN34Ha+nXdJN57noqn1fDrML8l65fHr1xDyTCNFs8XBFDHzcHykjI/Dw58sBsjCw= ; Message-ID: <20060825183218.14328.qmail@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: michael sintros Subject: another looper not on the site To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:32:21 +0000 (UTC) it occured to me i should make people aware of the existence of yet another piece of loop gear. i'm speaking of the pyle pdsp850 phrase sampler. this little unit i picked up online knowing nothing about it except what it claimed to be able to do. they go for around $100 new. it's a somewhat thin rackmount unit and is basically a very simple dj phrase sampler. you've got a few different banks to choose from which give you different amounts of time to deal with (probably their way of crudely managing memory on this p.o.s.). according to the tools of the trade site list, this would fall under the category of not being a true looper, since it does not allow you to hit one button to record and another to stop recording and immediately initiate playback. in addition to the buttons to select a memory location, there are a few other buttons such as 'read' and 'write'. to sample, make sure the 'read' is lit up and then hit the record button and it'll start recording, then hit the button again to stop. then you've got to hit the 'write' button, after which you can hit the same record/play button to play or stop the playing loop. it also has a knob for controlling the speed of the loop just as on a tape machine or record player. the range is not that great, maybe about half an octave in either direction. you can crank the knob all the way in one direction to record fast and then turn it all the other direction to get a greater decrease in pitch then if you had started with the knob at the middle point. kind of nice. main problem with this baby is that the sound quality coming out of it SUCKS! it seems that levels that are already well optimized such as if you have a cd player plugged right into it usually don't come out sounding too bad, just a bit grainy. but if your input signal is even a little bit soft, it seems like this thing really mangles it. the knobs that control input and output volume also don't seem to behave as espected. for instance, put the input level way down to avoid clipping (which is easy with this thing), you'll have to turn the output knob up to compensate for that. so record a loop then play it back. it will come out very very loud. it's as though there is an automatic normalization process that happens to the loop when it is stored, because i would expect the loop to come out sounding as loud as it did when i was playing through the unit. or the input and output volumes affect the throughput and the stored loops differently, which is retarded. anybody else ever been unfortunate enough to buy one of these? if so, anything you'd recommend to make it more usable? i never use it anymore because it's too noisey. if anyone is curious and wants to try one out, i would be willing to sell mine at a rather low price, since i know i have not exactly given a rave review of it. but one man's garbage is another man's ... aesthetically pleasing garbage. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 19:05:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05BB63BF0C; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <036d01c6c879$726111c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <010a01c6bf98$12dd3920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <44E0BA09.5080107@mhorse.com> <00f301c6bfd6$cfbcc7c0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: LD 10th Anniversary Birthday 30 second Clips Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:05:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_036A_01C6C847.26E171E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_036A_01C6C847.26E171E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a FYI, we now have 37 sound clips on the Looper't Delight 10-Year = B-Day site.... When is the B-day? I seem to have forgotten. September something.... http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm Kris ------=_NextPart_000_036A_01C6C847.26E171E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a FYI, we now have 37 sound clips = on the=20 Looper't Delight 10-Year B-Day site....
 
When is the B-day? I seem to have = forgotten.=20 September something....
 
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------=_NextPart_000_036A_01C6C847.26E171E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 19:53:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087AF3BEFE; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VQx4hfTJaz/SoIYF+tlb8P9wcn1zcITwznxXM22Qc5r84zeb4KmMWIFh3nkTnIK1QOVp7PZlE7IXXQwCKID7YReY4Q+RwoTbRu0yPApWc727Dw/arsnIl14bnyZJJAwxV4vNEQd0KwOqEkd0dAnSgqdsOyh8TyKu8TeihKE3CRc= In-Reply-To: <02da01c6c864$9ac5d8e0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <002101c6c860$b8229e90$0101a8c0@succubus> <02da01c6c864$9ac5d8e0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C0A30A5-CBFF-44B6-A054-8E704C1D6D97@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" (was: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:53:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2hzTTB.A.c7G.AV17EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:53:36 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2006, at 18.36, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I let the effect do its thing to my guitar, but the whole time I =20 > was in control of my guitar and providing 100% of the raw input to =20 > be mangled by the effects. In that case, I do not consider the =20 > effects as an instrument. I was not touching or manipulating =20 > anything on my notebook. I was not using the effects, as in hands =20 > on manipulation to produce new sounds, which is what we typically =20 > do with instruments, right? Rather, the effects were window =20 > dressing around my initial guitar tone. Maybe some would call =20 > pressing a button to switch from one VST to another, using the =20 > laptop as an instrument. I dont'. That's just button pushing for =20 > the sake of colorizing my guitar. > 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< > Call me a traditionalist, but I still hold (based on feeling) the =20 > traditional instrument and chops in high regard. That example =20 > above, where I could play one note and then let the effects and my =20 > parameter tweaking do the rest. That is interesting and impressive =20 > to me, but it does not gain my respect as an artist, nor does add =20 > to my own integrity as an artist. That's just my opinion. Voil=E0! Yet another interesting topic :-)) I can see where Kris is =20 going with that opinion and I'd like to add my take on what it =20 actually is that makes the difference. The crucial point IMHO is =20 whether "something" is being used to make music or not. If it is, =20 then it indeed is an instrument. Ok that's fine, but having said that =20= much you will also have to define "music". As I experience "music" it =20= is about "telling a story"; there has to be a Direction, an Intention =20= and a Presence. Ok, now... having gone this far I have to say that =20 there is also an antithesis to this - which in my opinion is also =20 "music" - and that is when none of these three characteristics is =20 met, however absent in a clearly intentional way. Like in "ambient =20 music" or "random music". But here we're sliding into conceptual art =20 territory which may be quite another trip. In praxis, if you get to know "effects" so well that you are able to =20 use them intentionally you have transformed these effects into "your =20 instrument". But will I become "an effect" myself, if I should learn =20 to play totally unintentionally? My belief is that it would not be =20 possible to "play unintentionally". You can reach that zone of "no =20 subject nor object" by random based composing techniques (ex: =20 Xenakis) but by playing? I don't thinks so. But if you try, it may =20 still result in something interesting... This sends an association to the classic album Remain In Light, but =20 Talking Heads. Musicians were called in to put down overdubs without =20 being allowed to hear all other overdubs, already on tape. Then the =20 music was mixed by combining musicians that had never actually played =20= there parts together. If they have been allowed to hear each other =20 when playing they may never have been able to play with that certain =20 attitude you hear on the record. So this leads to a third way of =20 relating to "effects", as "Rebellious Catalysts". For the listener, =20 not for the musician, because the musician is not aware of the full =20 picture here. Pretty interesting stuff, isn't it! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 20:13:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1849E3BEEA; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:13:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" (was: laptop-loopers (guitar) References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080901050008040005010106" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:13:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080901050008040005010106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I turned this over in my head a lot when once asked when I considered whether a turntable in the hands of a DJ was an example of an instrument. I finally decided that, for myself, to call something an instrument, it needs to be capable of /controllably originating a sound/. So, then, windchimes don't count, delays/loopers/effects don't count, and turntables don't count. This is *no way* diminishes what people do with these things - loopers in particular! (ducking) - I simply don't call the boxes an instrument, but another type of tool used in the music-making process. And yeah, I suppose there are shades of meaning here, like the self-oscillation that Rainer pointed out which arguably could turn an effect into an instrument, but I think generalizations could be made. On the effects tip, I like Krispen's analogy of the palette, because it also implies the difficulty of having to try to become familiar with a huge number of possibilities, and then, having to choose among those possibilities. More colors, but more judicious decision-making and experience are required to master the canvas. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > It's like being asked to create a painting, and you get a pallet with > 50 shades of colors on it, plus some sand, mud, plastic, wood, and > other things to add texture to the canvas.....vs. only having the > primary colors. The analogy is not perfect, but hopefully conveys the > gist of what VST effects can do to help expand you creative potential > with the guitar, vs having to eek it all out with just your instrument. --------------080901050008040005010106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I turned this over in my head a lot when once asked when I considered whether a turntable in the hands of a DJ was an example of an instrument. I finally decided that, for myself, to call something an instrument, it needs to be capable of controllably originating a sound. So, then, windchimes don't count, delays/loopers/effects don't count, and turntables don't count. This is no way diminishes what people do with these things - loopers in particular! (ducking) - I simply don't call the boxes an instrument, but another type of tool used in the music-making process. And yeah, I suppose there are shades of meaning here, like the self-oscillation that Rainer pointed out which arguably could turn an effect into an instrument, but I think generalizations could be made.

On the effects tip, I like Krispen's analogy of the palette, because it also implies the difficulty of having to try to become familiar with a huge number of possibilities, and then, having to choose among those possibilities. More colors, but more judicious decision-making and experience are required to master the canvas.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
 It's like being asked to create a painting, and you get a pallet with 50 shades of colors on it, plus some sand, mud, plastic, wood, and other things to add texture to the canvas.....vs. only having the primary colors.  The analogy is not perfect, but hopefully conveys the gist of what VST effects can do to help expand you creative potential with the guitar, vs having to eek it all out with just your instrument.

--------------080901050008040005010106-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 20:23:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E935B3BF1C; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ot4u0/eM9ZF21k8gglcZKKyaQogLEERQs4eRZuue/u6xjzXwLUHtRb8IEXhscIlFQh6cNqTrnum/Z38/mrcdTHBVGRbkYBBpwT4awse2uDapYzh2J+ylqNjbQezWU97b/r3XluxDy8sB9FboM9U1GiqBn6Dq/vUWlIgASADDegk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" (was: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:23:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <54-L2C.A.uK.Mx17EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:23:40 +0000 (UTC) On 25 aug 2006, at 22.13, Daryl Shawn wrote: > On the effects tip, I like Krispen's analogy of the palette, > because it also implies the difficulty of having to try to become > familiar with a huge number of possibilities, and then, having to > choose among those possibilities. More colors, but more judicious > decision-making and experience are required to master the canvas. That's exactly why I don't like "adding effects" but rather "playing with effects". I always put effects before the loopers, so eventual effect sound will be part of the foundation of the building I'm construction (fancy wording for "looping" ;-) as opposed to being paper wrappings on the outer walls. Less is more fun ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 20:43:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630FF3BF19; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" (was: laptop-loopers (guitar) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:43:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:43:12 +0000 (UTC) I think most of us do that (put our effects before our looping devices), though, right? I play "with" effects too, all before Mobius. But, technically, we are not really playing with effects, because the effect signal is added to your original guitar signal. So you are adding the effects to your singal, but the addition is so blasted fast that it feels like you are playing with effects. But I think we are all stating the same thing here. If you put your Fireworx after your looper, and used it to do interesting things after you had already played and looped several layers and even set your sax or guitar down, then we come back to the orginal, fundamental question of whether your Fireworx is an instrument or an effects box....I want to accept that the Fireworx is an instrument in this case, but I won't say that it feels right. My brain says yes because it is in the realm of possibilities, yet my gut feeling says no. If I were really compulsive with my gut feeling and just let it all out I'd say: "It's just a box for crying out loud...just because a person tweaks nobs, pushes buttons and changes parameters doesn't make the box an instrument, nor even make him a musician." But that would be a bit strong for me to state explicity as a strong opinion, because there is a lot of fuzziness and semantics going on here. We can define terms easy enough so that an effects unit is not an instrument...that's just linguistic gymnastics; but whether an effects box is an instrument in the same way as a guitar is a different matter. We are getting into categories of instrumnetation of varying degrees. Okay, it's half an instrument, and I'm half a musician by playing it. Heh heh.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" (was: laptop-loopers (guitar) > On 25 aug 2006, at 22.13, Daryl Shawn wrote: > >> On the effects tip, I like Krispen's analogy of the palette, because it >> also implies the difficulty of having to try to become familiar with a >> huge number of possibilities, and then, having to choose among those >> possibilities. More colors, but more judicious decision-making and >> experience are required to master the canvas. > > > That's exactly why I don't like "adding effects" but rather "playing with > effects". I always put effects before the loopers, so eventual effect > sound will be part of the foundation of the building I'm construction > (fancy wording for "looping" ;-) as opposed to being paper wrappings on > the outer walls. Less is more fun ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 20:56:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CDED3BF36; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:56:38 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010809070908030107080800" Resent-Message-ID: <0yt9C.A.uKB.PQ27EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:56:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010809070908030107080800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "/Just/ linguistic gymnastics", says the triple-axle-reverse-tuck-double-flip-360-degree-twist record holder? ;-) Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > We can define terms easy enough so that an effects unit is not an > instrument...that's just linguistic gymnastics; but whether an effects > box is an instrument in the same way as a guitar is a different > matter. We are getting into categories of instrumnetation of varying > degrees. Okay, it's half an instrument, and I'm half a musician by > playing it. Heh heh.... > > Kris --------------010809070908030107080800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Just linguistic gymnastics", says the triple-axle-reverse-tuck-double-flip-360-degree-twist record holder?

;-)

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
 We can define terms easy enough so that an effects unit is not an instrument...that's just linguistic gymnastics; but whether an effects box is an instrument in the same way as a guitar is a different matter. We are getting into categories of instrumnetation of varying degrees. Okay, it's half an instrument, and I'm half a musician by playing it. Heh heh....

Kris

--------------010809070908030107080800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 21:12:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F2CA3BF2B; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:12:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03A6_01C6C858.E6EDCFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: <8uthCB.A.huB.Kf27EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:12:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03A6_01C6C858.E6EDCFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep, that's the beauty of language....we can do just about anything we = want, but whether we'll be able to communicate with people is a = different matter. Theoretically, we could redefine every word in our = local language and be able to communicate, so long as we all carried our = dictionaries around with us. There seems to be one common theme with = this, which is that the closer we get to value-based, highly personal, = or controversial subject matter, the more diverse or fuzzy become the = definitions of terms and phrases. For instance, although we could force = ourselves to do this, we probably wouldn't spend a whole discussion = thread on what we mean by the term "red". Though, on a painter's forum, = they might very well do this, going into different shades, whether = burnt auburn is red, or whether certain shades are orange-red or = reddish-orange, etc. So, how does one define "instrument" in this forum? I'd say the number = of definitions is about directly proportionate to the number of people = who would respond to that question...and then let the games begin! = (Language Games, that is). Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daryl Shawn=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" "Just linguistic gymnastics", says the = triple-axle-reverse-tuck-double-flip-360-degree-twist record holder? ;-)=20 Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com We can define terms easy enough so that an effects unit is not an = instrument...that's just linguistic gymnastics; but whether an effects = box is an instrument in the same way as a guitar is a different matter. = We are getting into categories of instrumnetation of varying degrees. = Okay, it's half an instrument, and I'm half a musician by playing it. = Heh heh....=20 Kris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_03A6_01C6C858.E6EDCFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep, that's the beauty of = language....we can do=20 just about anything we want, but whether we'll be able to communicate = with=20 people is a different matter.  Theoretically, we could redefine = every word=20 in our local language and be able to communicate, so long as = we all=20 carried our dictionaries around with us.  There seems to be one = common=20 theme with this, which is that the closer we get to value-based, highly=20 personal, or controversial subject matter, the more diverse or = fuzzy become the definitions of terms and phrases.  For = instance,=20 although we could force ourselves to do this, we probably wouldn't spend = a whole=20 discussion thread on what we mean by the term "red".  Though, on a=20 painter's forum, they  might very well do this, going into = different=20 shades, whether burnt auburn is red, or whether certain shades are = orange-red or=20 reddish-orange, etc.
 
So, how does one define "instrument" in = this forum?=20 I'd say the number of definitions is about directly proportionate to the = number=20 of people who would respond to that question...and then let the games = begin!=20 (Language Games, that is).
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Daryl=20 Shawn
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 = 2:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs=20 "Effect"

"Just linguistic gymnastics", says the=20 triple-axle-reverse-tuck-double-flip-360-degree-twist record=20 holder?

;-) =

Daryl=20 Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
 We can define terms easy enough so that an effects = unit is=20 not an instrument...that's just linguistic gymnastics; but whether = an=20 effects box is an instrument in the same way as a guitar is a = different=20 matter. We are getting into categories of instrumnetation of varying = degrees. Okay, it's half an instrument, and I'm half a musician by = playing=20 it. Heh heh....

Kris =

------=_NextPart_000_03A6_01C6C858.E6EDCFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 21:29:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1E803BEFC; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WSam+IRxw71OtYAscA3ajfLqjlO1NyBC36aXh4hnINIi9TWuqMMXh56T8W4WhUeNHIF6YOp9N5NsP81Id3Jw25xtoWfOeoVi7RTV8L/qUjK/71Cf9B0xJIzreVnuP5bJPgOHAgjFt2U0veWfBaejirctik1PAgiKlAlA/0RDqK4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <16C8C998-B9CF-45BA-B843-6DE342BD6BB2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:29:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:29:28 +0000 (UTC) Does it really matter what it IS? Isn't the more interesting distinction whether you USE it as an instrument.... or an effect. Or maybe the most important issue is what the listener does hear it as! Yes, I thing vote for that. And now I'll shut up and listen 'cause I know that I will most certainly hear the difference between "effect" and "instrument" and I really don't care since they are all essential parts of "music" ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 21:57:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 717C53BF02; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SAsoe6QTcCqQG+dKuAxMYlZ7Si7I1wIUodELAYH2zRh7Vja8wS2dBg1cVjy48NwTHCQzmuxeER0N8EL8QGPcBo7Cus6Nea9nnH3kVS00wRrENZatF9LDl9xJFEZt4W2mNYAniD51BoJ6Fh1GI1Qe9E0YQiO8k/OqHoCgql5IrNo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:57:17 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" In-Reply-To: <16C8C998-B9CF-45BA-B843-6DE342BD6BB2@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <16C8C998-B9CF-45BA-B843-6DE342BD6BB2@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7dTBXD.A.MbD._I37EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Interesting thread. By this description, it seems we are participating in the art of creating music, partially playing an instrument and partially re-mixing or engineering. There is a ratio between these actions that varies, and I would say in LD it is weighed more in the 're-mixing' column, as we depend on the actions of non-instrument playing technology as a basis for a good portion of the sound content in our music making. Finding the sweet spot between the realtime human-created sound and what the boxes produce is the ongoing holy grail of live looping, no? On 8/25/06, Per Boysen wrote: > Does it really matter what it IS? Isn't the more interesting > distinction whether you USE it as an instrument.... or an effect. Or > maybe the most important issue is what the listener does hear it as! > Yes, I thing vote for that. And now I'll shut up and listen 'cause I > know that I will most certainly hear the difference between "effect" > and "instrument" and I really don't care since they are all essential > parts of "music" ;-) > > per > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 22:03:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4FF13BF0F; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16C8C998-B9CF-45BA-B843-6DE342BD6BB2@gmail.com> References: <20060824161214.50749.qmail@web26203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44EDD2B6.8040200@infinivert.com> <008501c6c79c$401918d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EDE45E.8040004@infinivert.com> <00c201c6c7af$a20971d0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EE06DB.6080508@infinivert.com> <013d01c6c7c8$928ae2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <643A4090-348F-44B8-BA1F-A408415C72E9@gmail.com> <02d101c6c85f$84b21730$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF59D9.2070603@mhorse.com> <1C5FA2F9-B79C-481E-BFFF-B458AB327AF3@gmail.com> <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <44EF6406.2040203@mhorse.com> <16C8C998-B9CF-45BA-B843-6DE342BD6BB2@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:03:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120ab1b74858b5e5af65c40c28166a2ff4422665d5680fb1907350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Take it to private e-mail, guys... >Does it really matter what it IS? Isn't the more interesting >distinction whether you USE it as an instrument.... or an effect. Or >maybe the most important issue is what the listener does hear it as! >Yes, I thing vote for that. And now I'll shut up and listen 'cause I >know that I will most certainly hear the difference between "effect" >and "instrument" and I really don't care since they are all >essential parts of "music" ;-) > >per -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 22:11:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021D23BF0C; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Lapsteel guitar Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:11:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6C858.BEC42280" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <005901c6c7b4$ac537870$f48ffe91@parsick> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:11:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6C858.BEC42280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are you talking about an old Guyatone Lap steel or a new model I haven't heard of? I used to own a three legged White lap steel (fender made). Those are very rare and expensive these days $9000+. Of the modern built lap steels that are affordable that I've played, I'm most impressed by the gretsch made lapsteel, which can be had with a gig bag for under $400 and sounds plays and looks really good. That and an X frame keyboard stand would do the trick. I always found threading the legs on the White steel to be a pain, and It felt a bit wobbly when the legs were extended high enough to stand in front of it. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: WTB: Lapsteel guitar Hi all, I´m in the market for a lapsteel guitar, preferably a model by Guya/Guyatone (don´t know the model number) with screw-in legs or a similar model by another maker. I don´t really mind whether it´s a vintage classic or not, I´m into a) playability (clear markings on the fretboard) and b) sound only. I´m located in Germany, thus offers from Europe would be ideal. If you´ve got something you think I might be interested in, please get in touch with me off-list. Thanks for reading, Stephen. ____________________________________________________________ "Pay respect to the vultures, for they are your future." (Jhonn Balance / Coil) It´s out: "doombient.two -- a declaration of war", the new [´ramp] album, recorded live in 2003. Limited to 100 copies only so get it while you still can. For info and audio, please visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6C858.BEC42280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are=20 you talking about an old Guyatone Lap steel or a new model I =  haven't=20 heard of?  I used to own a three legged White lap steel (fender = made).=20 Those are very rare and expensive these days $9000+. Of the modern built = lap=20 steels that are affordable that I've played, I'm most impressed by the = gretsch=20 made lapsteel, which can be had with a gig bag for under $400 and sounds = plays=20 and looks really good. That and an X frame keyboard stand would do = the=20 trick. I always found threading the legs on the White steel to be a = pain, and It=20 felt a bit wobbly when the legs were extended high enough to stand in = front of=20 it.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Wavecomputer360=20 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, = 2006=20 12:35 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 WTB: Lapsteel guitar

Hi all,
 
I=B4m in the market for a lapsteel = guitar,=20 preferably a model by Guya/Guyatone (don=B4t know the model number) = with=20 screw-in legs or a similar model by another maker. I don=B4t really = mind whether=20 it=B4s a vintage classic or not, I=B4m into a) playability (clear = markings on the=20 fretboard) and b) sound only. I=B4m located in Germany, thus offers = from Europe=20 would be ideal. If you=B4ve got something you think I might be = interested in,=20 please get in touch with me off-list.
 
Thanks for reading,
 
Stephen. 
 
=

____________________________________________________________
 
"Pay respect to the vultures, for they are your future." (Jhonn = Balance /=20 Coil)
 
It=B4s out: "doombient.two -- a declaration of war", the new = [=B4ramp] album,=20 recorded live in 2003.
Limited to 100 copies only so get it while = you still=20 can.
 
For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website = at www.doombient.com
 

 
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C6C858.BEC42280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 23:23:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 931853BF0D; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:24:25 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels In-reply-to: <20060825121001.173730@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001601c6c89d$9ac65e30$6701a8c0@jbroone> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcbIP2Y2Z0mLJJaWRZy77RUXFWdgewAXbcDQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Buzap- The "full second gap" I referred to only occurs when using record->overdub mode, not record->playback mode (the factory default operation mode). See the manual for info on how to change the mode, and try it yourself. This is not a matter of patch/phrase/midi sync, quantize, or rhythm guide settings as I have all of those turned off to begin with. Again, the longer gap occurs only in the record->overdub mode. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels Hi Jesse > finding out that, using this option, there was a 1-2 full > second gap of unrecorded audio left at the end of the initial loop. Just read your mail. If you have 1-2 full second gaps, you _definitely_ have wrong timing settings on your RC-50 - _not_ a "latency" issue. Try the following: - Turn down Ryhthm Guide knob all the way down to OFF - Turn off Loop Sync - Turn off Tempo Sync for each of the three Phrases best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 25 23:46:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C86623BF0D; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:46:38 -0400 From: noone@jbro.us Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels In-reply-to: <001601c6c89d$9ac65e30$6701a8c0@jbroone> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c6c8a0$b52ee5f0$6701a8c0@jbroone> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcbIP2Y2Z0mLJJaWRZy77RUXFWdgewAXbcDQAADavEA= Resent-Message-ID: <-nMge.A.zAH.4u47EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Also I should note that this "gap" I'm referring to is the same "skipped playback" glitch as heard in record->playback mode (the first time through playing back the phrase), just considerably longer in record-overdub mode. Not a time alignment/sync issue. J -----Original Message----- From: noone@jbro.us [mailto:noone@jbro.us] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels Buzap- The "full second gap" I referred to only occurs when using record->overdub mode, not record->playback mode (the factory default operation mode). See the manual for info on how to change the mode, and try it yourself. This is not a matter of patch/phrase/midi sync, quantize, or rhythm guide settings as I have all of those turned off to begin with. Again, the longer gap occurs only in the record->overdub mode. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels Hi Jesse > finding out that, using this option, there was a 1-2 full > second gap of unrecorded audio left at the end of the initial loop. Just read your mail. If you have 1-2 full second gaps, you _definitely_ have wrong timing settings on your RC-50 - _not_ a "latency" issue. Try the following: - Turn down Ryhthm Guide knob all the way down to OFF - Turn off Loop Sync - Turn off Tempo Sync for each of the three Phrases best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 01:02:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87ADA3BEFC; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <88777fb9feff94b2fa3efcb751139edb@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: boulder fringe gig Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:01:59 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAgNatM4DWrrO X-SpamScan: Suspected Spam Resent-Message-ID: <9YTaVC.A.du.Q257EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Greetings. Loopy improv. Sat. 26th. 6:30 - 8:00 at "The Laughing Goat" in Boulder, CO. "LightsEdgeProject" - Paul Mimlitsch (guitar/looping) and Chris Mandel (processed cornet). Info/ soundfiles at << http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/lep/lep.html >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 01:12:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6F3D3BF00; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:12:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UmQ11xkPYoU1E0j/qvFAGQxl5hxw0BowFIvD7uYaAXV3UyR82moGIQbWBGgXLBNoGgmgTfaTTnn7j+iI8HhRHydong4EFMNMHiN5bf1BIG+x4iikb9QKfVmBAn9FeL0hKTBIj4YF1oTUxzCpizE0bY3maqYGzrAxFyN6jQWjN2E= ; Message-ID: <20060826011227.98966.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <03a901c6c88b$327203a0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:12:29 +0000 (UTC) I love conversations like this! Consider this: Male vocal singing pre Mic/PA technology was mostly done in falsetto. Why? A baratone male couldn't cut through a band. This is the way it was. I believe Bing Crosby was one of the first popular male singers of modern times that sung in a natural range. Why? Because he used an "effect." Tech. Lo-tech to our rapidly cyborg approaching ways, but tech none the less. It changed music... and then there was the electric guitar.... --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yep, that's the beauty of language....we can do just > about anything we want, but whether we'll be able to > communicate with people is a different matter. > Theoretically, we could redefine every word in our > local language and be able to communicate, so long > as we all carried our dictionaries around with us. > There seems to be one common theme with this, which > is that the closer we get to value-based, highly > personal, or controversial subject matter, the more > diverse or fuzzy become the definitions of terms and > phrases. For instance, although we could force > ourselves to do this, we probably wouldn't spend a > whole discussion thread on what we mean by the term > "red". Though, on a painter's forum, they might > very well do this, going into different shades, > whether burnt auburn is red, or whether certain > shades are orange-red or reddish-orange, etc. > > So, how does one define "instrument" in this forum? > I'd say the number of definitions is about directly > proportionate to the number of people who would > respond to that question...and then let the games > begin! (Language Games, that is). > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Daryl Shawn > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:56 PM > Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > > > "Just linguistic gymnastics", says the > triple-axle-reverse-tuck-double-flip-360-degree-twist > record holder? > > ;-) > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > > We can define terms easy enough so that an > effects unit is not an instrument...that's just > linguistic gymnastics; but whether an effects box is > an instrument in the same way as a guitar is a > different matter. We are getting into categories of > instrumnetation of varying degrees. Okay, it's half > an instrument, and I'm half a musician by playing > it. Heh heh.... > > Kris > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 03:54:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 831AB3BEF9; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <043301c6c8c3$4f70ac80$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <88777fb9feff94b2fa3efcb751139edb@mac.com> Subject: Re: boulder fringe gig Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:54:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Nice playing, Paul. This whole guitar/trumpet (cornet) thing is starting to grow on me. I like Momentum....nice clean playing and articulation on the guitar. Anyone out there looping with a tuba player? :) I'd like to hear the tuba with a ring modulator. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: boulder fringe gig > Greetings. Loopy improv. Sat. 26th. 6:30 - 8:00 at "The Laughing Goat" in > Boulder, CO. "LightsEdgeProject" - Paul Mimlitsch (guitar/looping) and > Chris Mandel (processed cornet). Info/ soundfiles at << > http://homepage.mac.com/pmimlitsch/lep/lep.html >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 04:05:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF8DF3BEF4; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:05:15 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: boulder fringe gig In-Reply-To: <043301c6c8c3$4f70ac80$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <88777fb9feff94b2fa3efcb751139edb@mac.com> <043301c6c8c3$4f70ac80$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:05:07 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Anyone out there looping with a tuba player? :) I'd like to hear the tuba > with a ring modulator. Posted several chunks in Apr-May of the live looping I was doing with a local tuba player. I know I was using my Moogerfooger ring mods betimes on those sets. I'll try to relisten and find wherein those spots were. regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 04:52:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83BBB3BEF4; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <045201c6c8cb$6b44dff0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Intel's new Core 2 Duo Processors for Laptop Looping/Effect Systems Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:52:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:52:25 +0000 (UTC) In case anyone is planing on buying a laptop with an Intel duo (dual core) processor, they are releasing their new Core 2 Duo processor for notebooks at the end of this month. http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20060727comp.htm http://mixonline.com/news/headline/intel-core2-processor-072706/ (Mix Magazine) "Due for release in August, the Merom is the mobile version of the Core 2 Duo processor and will replace the current Core Duo line. The unit will include the same features as the other processors but is designed around lower power consumption, which is critical in the notebook market. The chip will be available in 1.66 GHz, 1.83 GHz, 2.0 GHz, 2.16 GHz and 2.33 GHz configurations. " They are supposed to offer 40% more performance gain, based on benchmark tests. They also support both 32 and 64 bit. I can't even utlize the processing power of my current Intel duo system....40% would be an amazing amount of processing headroom. Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 13:00:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EEC13BEF3; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OwHQqy8QTbcCd+Fn2jknvda7Hot++eJftAsKCbtN2QNiebS9Iawj88YwnSggaivwSGuWHBabr24cy8amjgS9of92wp6BDTgTN4F30IZj4HgYUw15ATL1YQwWjQTC1WPqEBeDmod88G8sCw9kwm6YaQgoeZ/tcz1VCQOvEYP2pkM= ; Message-ID: <20060826130055.22098.qmail@web27707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:00:55 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060826011227.98966.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2vAPHD.A.HaB.IYE8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:00:57 +0000 (UTC) My take on this has always been that if it's applied to sound after the fact, then it's an effect. If it's an integral part of the playing then it's part of the instrument. How many electric guitarists play "guitar", rather than (at least) "guitar plus amplifier" ? I also ponder - to the player in the midst of performance, what's the real difference between changing picking strength, or bowing style, or pressure on keys, or adjusting any other parameter involved in producing their sound ? Also, could there be a difference in viewpoint between those who devote time to acquiring the craft of a traditional instrument as a craft in itself ("if I know the instrument well, I will be able to express whatever idea comes to mind eventually"), and those simply acquire enough technique to express whatever ideas come to mind ? Interesting topic ! - Tony ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 14:39:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D2B03BEF7; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c6c91d$6e1803e0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <20060826130055.22098.qmail@web27707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:38:49 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:39:36 +0000 (UTC) I can notice my playing varies depending on the addition of a simply ambience reverb/delay if listening to the realtime wet signal or let it dry. So I'd say the effect, in this case, it's essential, at least, for the timbrical caracteristics and then is an extension of what i consider 'the instrument'. TPOmyspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 15:30:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E763BEEC; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002001c6c91d$6e1803e0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <20060826130055.22098.qmail@web27707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <002001c6c91d$6e1803e0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:04:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120abc98cbb79e088fbc5ad3da0e66dfd9157ed016dca5a8be0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:30:29 +0000 (UTC) These systems in their entirety are often referred to as an instrument, for instance Jimi Hendrix and his Marshalls, Jon Hassel and his harmonizer... I think this discussion got of on the wrong foot by claiming that an effect was an instrument. This may be correct, Electro Harmonix is of the philosophy that their 16 second delay and 2880 are 'looping instruments'. -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 17:17:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665F03BEF8; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c6c933$76263b90$d2e14744@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <000001c6c8a0$b52ee5f0$6701a8c0@jbroone> Subject: Re: RC-50 glitch and LR levels Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:17:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:17:13 +0000 (UTC) I do have not experienced this problem. The only problem I've experienced is the "first-time-thru" short blip in audio playback. It is a little distracting but for home recording use not a problem at all. And I'm hoping Boss corrects the problem relatively soon which doesn't seem like an unreasonable expectation. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels > Also I should note that this "gap" I'm referring to is the same "skipped > playback" glitch as heard in record->playback mode (the first time through > playing back the phrase), just considerably longer in record-overdub mode. > Not a time alignment/sync issue. > > J > > -----Original Message----- > From: noone@jbro.us [mailto:noone@jbro.us] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:24 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels > > Buzap- > > The "full second gap" I referred to only occurs when using record->overdub > mode, not record->playback mode (the factory default operation mode). See > the manual for info on how to change the mode, and try it yourself. This > is > not a matter of patch/phrase/midi sync, quantize, or rhythm guide settings > as I have all of those turned off to begin with. Again, the longer gap > occurs only in the record->overdub mode. > > Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: RC-50 glitch and LR levels > > Hi Jesse > >> finding out that, using this option, there was a 1-2 full >> second gap of unrecorded audio left at the end of the initial loop. > > Just read your mail. If you have 1-2 full second gaps, you _definitely_ > have > wrong timing settings on your RC-50 - _not_ a "latency" issue. > > Try the following: > - Turn down Ryhthm Guide knob all the way down to OFF > - Turn off Loop Sync > - Turn off Tempo Sync for each of the three Phrases > > best regards > Buzap > -- > > > "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... > Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 18:01:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15F7C3BEF8; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mREORAYfM95vs/1aXLbPJdPNfENpqwZy4ZWH2W5gUjmew5nkVJMI3KBkW6/u244TQso1OBhBMZa24wvs8h17QHiMwmJbFdKxddAhbnwP0T4/dY1wioOrWpWeUyda/aCPXA8D2nJ7GGXL4Eor/UMhVHRMhaD47/jbeYD0aRHRogY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:01:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:01:07 +0000 (UTC) On 23 aug 2006, at 09.53, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > So, I've put together a patch for looping in Max/MSP and made it so > I think it works as a standalone application....four stereo loopers > with varispeed stuff..... > > It is not very developed, mouse only, midi to come, but I'm curious > if it works on other machines, or only mine....I'm very new at this > and just having fun so don't know.... > > please try it and let me know it it works, or not.....that is, if > you use a mac....might not work on the new ones. > > No docs, hopefully it might be self-explanatory. > > http://jeffkaiser.com/software.html > > cheers, > > Jeff Hi Jeff, I'm checking out the Kaiserlooper here now but no audio gets looped. The "DSP Status" window shows the correct settings for my G5 and Multiface audio interface. I can monitor the Multiface separately and I can see that no audio is being piped from the software to the physical output. Should there be some graphic indication in Kaiserlooper on what's going on? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 18:40:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3B83BEE2; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:40:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MCgy3fA0JxnCundItOsOiKbzgEhg7FA3NYXtddIkv4lfZTokAxkadSDAWfooQ3KrD6fDUlYOn1qGaOqAAarvQJnS9bFe5XgG1ZU9eGSKvKILHIXUbSRMc2DVXq46xiarStK6rKJq7OWoUxtJyUEYfJY8i4DosEKFKIrcqeOsIWg= ; Message-ID: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:40:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Young Subject: Ehcoplex Loop IV Sensitivity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1355292469-1156617613=:41049" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:40:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-1355292469-1156617613=:41049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have ignored this issue because I thought it was just the nature of the Echoplex but when recording it seems to have a low threshold and cuts out before the sound source has finished. The Echoplex is still recording, I can still here the sound source - like the sustain of a guitar chord - but when it plays back the sound sources tail has been cut off. A note played with lots of reverb results in the reverb being cut off. Is there something I can do with the settings or is this just the way the Echoplex works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output full. Changing these doesn't seem to make any difference. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1355292469-1156617613=:41049 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have ignored this issue because I thought it was just the nature of the Echoplex but when recording it seems to have a low threshold and cuts out before the sound source has finished. The Echoplex is still recording, I can still here the sound source - like the sustain of a guitar chord - but when it plays back the sound sources tail has been cut off. A note played with lots of reverb results in the reverb being cut off. Is there something I can do with the settings or is this just the way the Echoplex works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output full. Changing these doesn't seem to make any difference.



Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --0-1355292469-1156617613=:41049-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 19:56:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB0213BEE7; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:56:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Ehcoplex Loop IV Sensitivity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1055500291==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120abc98cbb79e088fb75826f7c97acb16160347e935ca8af68350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.167.75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:56:46 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1055500291==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've=20 experimented with it but it's just the way they=20 designed it. >I have ignored this issue because I thought it=20 >was just the nature of the Echoplex but when=20 >recording it seems to have a low threshold and=20 >cuts out before the sound source has finished.=20 >The Echoplex is still recording, I can still=20 >here the sound source - like the sustain of a=20 >guitar chord - but when it plays back the sound=20 >sources tail has been cut off. A note played=20 >with lots of reverb results in the reverb being=20 >cut off. Is there something I can do with the=20 >settings or is this just the way the Echoplex=20 >works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output=20 >full. Changing these doesn't seem to make any=20 >difference. > > > >Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make=20 >PC-to-Phone calls.=20 >Great=20 >rates starting at 1=A2/min. -- =2E.. http://www.zmix.net --============_-1055500291==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Ehcoplex Loop IV Sensitivity
It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it but it's just the way they designed it.

I have ignored this issue because I thought it was just the nature of the Echoplex but when recording it seems to have a low threshold and cuts out before the sound source has finished. The Echoplex is still recording, I can still here the sound source - like the sustain of a guitar chord - but when it plays back the sound sources tail has been cut off. A note played with lots of reverb results in the reverb being cut off. Is there something I can do with the settings or is this just the way the Echoplex works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output full. Changing these doesn't seem to make any difference.
               

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 22:01:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23993BEF3; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:00:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:01:46 +0000 (UTC) > I'm checking out the Kaiserlooper here now but no audio gets looped.=20= > The "DSP Status" window shows the correct settings for my G5 and=20 > Multiface audio interface. I can monitor the Multiface separately and=20= > I can see that no audio is being piped from the software to the=20 > physical output. Should there be some graphic indication in=20 > Kaiserlooper on what's going on? Hi Per, Awesome! somebody tried it....oh....and it didn't=20 work....hmmmm....bummer... :-) There are three places you should see activity: Is there any input level being shown on the LED under "input level?" And is anything showing at the LEDs under the "Master Volume?" Then, when you loop, there should be indication under the particular=20 loop strip that there is level there when you raise the fader. Just curious, what is the CPU Usage reading under the on switch? And=20 maybe not so clear, play of the loop starts when you release the record=20= button Thanks, so much, Per! Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 22:18:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDDD73BEF3; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=X85JntkwnT0kTvcX565kOfcLZ8R9g/w01VEOsjLrrD682O3DSCZX5ldRm5/fZqxePDxzckYYDJUgJVIskzVlFljxKWOwpiJFMHI41qVZCK48cISPpwIIjdJ+4PkCsW5smobpfASI52o6dJnSW3gbVo9cvQef/5Ty1vR4tfMK4hM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:18:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:18:56 +0000 (UTC) >> I'm checking out the Kaiserlooper here now but no audio gets >> looped. The "DSP Status" window shows the correct settings for my >> G5 and Multiface audio interface. I can monitor the Multiface >> separately and I can see that no audio is being piped from the >> software to the physical output. Should there be some graphic >> indication in Kaiserlooper on what's going on? On 27 aug 2006, at 00.00, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > > Hi Per, > > Awesome! somebody tried it....oh....and it didn't > work....hmmmm....bummer... :-) > There are three places you should see activity: > Is there any input level being shown on the LED under "input level?" > And is anything showing at the LEDs under the "Master Volume?" > Then, when you loop, there should be indication under the > particular loop strip that there is level there when you raise the > fader. > > Just curious, what is the CPU Usage reading under the on switch? > And maybe not so clear, play of the loop starts when you release > the record button > > Thanks, so much, Per! The CPU Usage meter does flicker between 2 and 3. Both in the main mixer window and the smaller "CPU Utilization" box of the DSP Status window. This is on a 2x2 GHz G5 with 2 GB ram. Still no signs of any activity inside the Kaiserlooper though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 22:21:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA63A3BEEC; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04f901c6c95e$03c37dd0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Streaming to the Web this Evening: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:21:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C6C92B.B82E8130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:21:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C6C92B.B82E8130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you want to listen in this evening, this series of performances = starts at 7:00pm PST (San Francisco), 8:00pm MST (Denver), 9:00pm = Central (Austin/Dallas), 10:00pm EST (Boston/New York), 4:00am = (Berlin/Rome), 10:00am (Singapore), or 2:00pm GMT (Greenwhich Mean = Time). The performance goes for 3 hours. See link below. I'll be recording the performances as well, for future playback. Ted Killian and I just finished sound checking and are hanging out at my = abode right now.=20 Cheers, Kris MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - An evening of electronic and = experimental music Streamed to the Internet at: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click = "Listen") Schedule & Performers 8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook computer) 8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, electronics, looping) 9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and synthesizers) 10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian (guitars, notebook = computer, electronics, looping) ------=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C6C92B.B82E8130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you want to listen in this evening, = this series=20 of performances starts at 7:00pm PST (San Francisco), 8:00pm MST = (Denver),=20 9:00pm Central (Austin/Dallas), 10:00pm EST (Boston/New York), 4:00am=20 (Berlin/Rome), 10:00am (Singapore), or 2:00pm GMT (Greenwhich Mean = Time). The=20 performance goes for 3 hours.  See link below.
 
I'll be recording the performances as = well, for=20 future playback.
 
Ted Killian and I just finished sound = checking and=20 are hanging out at my abode right now.
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
 
 
MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound -=20 An evening of electronic and experimental = music

Streamed = to the=20 Internet at: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/
 (click "Listen")

 
Schedule & = Performers
 
8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook=20 computer)
8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, = electronics,=20 looping)
9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and=20 synthesizers)
10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian = (guitars,=20 notebook computer, electronics, looping)

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_04F6_01C6C92B.B82E8130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 22:26:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB9A43BEF7; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:26:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Do you have max? I'm curious if the max patch itself would work on your=20= machine..... Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Aug 26, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> I'm checking out the Kaiserlooper here now but no audio gets looped.=20= >>> The "DSP Status" window shows the correct settings for my G5 and=20 >>> Multiface audio interface. I can monitor the Multiface separately=20 >>> and I can see that no audio is being piped from the software to the=20= >>> physical output. Should there be some graphic indication in=20 >>> Kaiserlooper on what's going on? > > On 27 aug 2006, at 00.00, Jeff Kaiser wrote: >> >> Hi Per, >> >> Awesome! somebody tried it....oh....and it didn't=20 >> work....hmmmm....bummer... :-) >> There are three places you should see activity: >> Is there any input level being shown on the LED under "input level?" >> And is anything showing at the LEDs under the "Master Volume?" >> Then, when you loop, there should be indication under the particular=20= >> loop strip that there is level there when you raise the fader. >> >> Just curious, what is the CPU Usage reading under the on switch? And=20= >> maybe not so clear, play of the loop starts when you release the=20 >> record button >> >> Thanks, so much, Per! > > > The CPU Usage meter does flicker between 2 and 3. Both in the main=20 > mixer window and the smaller "CPU Utilization" box of the DSP Status=20= > window. This is on a 2x2 GHz G5 with 2 GB ram. Still no signs of any=20= > activity inside the Kaiserlooper though. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 22:50:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F20E43BEF8; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060826225036566.8A4FA1C0008B@mwinf1922.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: gael Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:50:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:50:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi, it works on a G4 powerbook with os x 10.4.7 with the built in sound card. great stuff best gael http://www.moregeometrico.net Le 26 ao=FBt 06 =E0 20:01, Per Boysen a =E9crit : > On 23 aug 2006, at 09.53, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > >> So, I've put together a patch for looping in Max/MSP and made it =20 >> so I think it works as a standalone application....four stereo =20 >> loopers with varispeed stuff..... >> >> It is not very developed, mouse only, midi to come, but I'm =20 >> curious if it works on other machines, or only mine....I'm very =20 >> new at this and just having fun so don't know.... >> >> please try it and let me know it it works, or not.....that is, if =20 >> you use a mac....might not work on the new ones. >> >> No docs, hopefully it might be self-explanatory. >> >> http://jeffkaiser.com/software.html >> >> cheers, >> >> Jeff > > > Hi Jeff, > > I'm checking out the Kaiserlooper here now but no audio gets =20 > looped. The "DSP Status" window shows the correct settings for my =20 > G5 and Multiface audio interface. I can monitor the Multiface =20 > separately and I can see that no audio is being piped from the =20 > software to the physical output. Should there be some graphic =20 > indication in Kaiserlooper on what's going on? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 26 23:02:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B88F23BEFB; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fW8VNB2CSzdlaBI+/ggLK6RhF1mDlPUXkn2bTH2uA1CEPBtINxHfkOuFAnGHb4rarCpMyfZCqbgfNorec4QkcdMsWFL1KrEsjmtJSHyCCcGyvR7L5//JXWOLV70IwBmXDjyDsSM4sanzfZeLHp0t5Lw+CmN42Ycz2nSEn5RcEhc= ; Message-ID: <20060826230242.493.qmail@web27705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:02:42 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Douglas Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, Just tried it here with a Lombard G3 Powerbook on os x 10.3.9 and it works fine with the internal sound card. Looks like it could be fun - pretty much what I'm doing with the Rax / Augustus Loop combo. - Tony ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 00:31:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E6473BEF7; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <9f7be60b0c7b6299292dc99852b3aaeb@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:31:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks gael and Tony.... Per, have you tried it with the internal sound card? Curiously, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 01:03:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 707203BF00; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H8Ou+zCYjNaq1MHJbyBj30qrKw+Jw1xtNUfOL9LwF6mwoBHcrjKKONigrJU1TKnHXb83h8gEZmjTrUAcJ6dPfkYFF7wHgdS9dlthHldys/+RsBcoR/791gup+6suOCazQ1ruUs53QxooIk1/YZNW7pkYVgpcnB/DUMyugNKN77Y= ; Message-ID: <20060827010320.35230.qmail@web81310.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" (was: laptop-loopers (guitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <039601c6c887$12705650$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7zjSpD.A.ehH.a9O8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:03:22 +0000 (UTC) --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > box for crying out loud...just because a person > tweaks nobs, pushes buttons > and changes parameters doesn't make the box an > instrument, nor even make him > a musician." Like a Mini Moog? Here's why I think in the above case the Fireworx (or any other effects processor that can be manipulated in real time) is at least part of this thing we call an instrument. What's a guitar? String. Hit the string and it oscillates. So you have a basic mechanical oscillator. Nice. Bend the string... that's a pitch effect. Amplify it, mute pluck it... tap it... all mechanical effects we call "technique" The root being "tech." In the case of applying an effect to a loop, the loop is your "oscillator." and your technique is your tech. If it's modified in real time to shape the sound for the intent of musicality, than so be it. It is in this exact way that a DJ who scratches goes from someone being a collage artist/remixer to a musician. No one would say that Klause Schultz tweaking a fliter on a Mini Moog isn't music... just because that effect is built in to the "instrument" Why does it have to be? Mark But that would be a bit strong for me > to state explicity as a > strong opinion, because there is a lot of fuzziness > and semantics going on > here. We can define terms easy enough so that an > effects unit is not an > instrument...that's just linguistic gymnastics; but > whether an effects box > is an instrument in the same way as a guitar is a > different matter. We are > getting into categories of instrumnetation of > varying degrees. Okay, it's > half an instrument, and I'm half a musician by > playing it. Heh heh.... > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" (was: > laptop-loopers (guitar) > > > > On 25 aug 2006, at 22.13, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > > >> On the effects tip, I like Krispen's analogy of > the palette, because it > >> also implies the difficulty of having to try to > become familiar with a > >> huge number of possibilities, and then, having to > choose among those > >> possibilities. More colors, but more judicious > decision-making and > >> experience are required to master the canvas. > > > > > > That's exactly why I don't like "adding effects" > but rather "playing with > > effects". I always put effects before the loopers, > so eventual effect > > sound will be part of the foundation of the > building I'm construction > > (fancy wording for "looping" ;-) as opposed to > being paper wrappings on > > the outer walls. Less is more fun ;-) > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 02:13:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0F53BEFB; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sFyjK+PsPb3W5VFV4/B3p1h9Gx8AduEdC1lxTH+0VcQUZgNj12HrgoAOpUN66h0P; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <16926161.1156644828562.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Streaming to the Web this Evening: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4856966f56510702170c7bb1544d1dc87c3ae9702e2e88ebc7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.46 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:13:49 +0000 (UTC) coming in loud&clear on the itunes-great-thanks s -----Original Message----- >From: Krispen Hartung >Sent: Aug 26, 2006 6:21 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Streaming to the Web this Evening: MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound > >If you want to listen in this evening, this series of performances starts at 7:00pm PST (San Francisco), 8:00pm MST (Denver), 9:00pm Central (Austin/Dallas), 10:00pm EST (Boston/New York), 4:00am (Berlin/Rome), 10:00am (Singapore), or 2:00pm GMT (Greenwhich Mean Time). The performance goes for 3 hours. See link below. > >I'll be recording the performances as well, for future playback. > >Ted Killian and I just finished sound checking and are hanging out at my abode right now. > >Cheers, > >Kris > > >MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - An evening of electronic and experimental music > >Streamed to the Internet at: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen") > > >Schedule & Performers > >8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook computer) >8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, electronics, looping) >9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and synthesizers) >10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian (guitars, notebook computer, electronics, looping) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 02:16:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6AF93BEF9; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: "LD List" Subject: Live stumbling ... Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6C95D.400C0970" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:16:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6C95D.400C0970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, this is about to drive me nuts. I've been using ALive 5.2 for several months now and it's been a major improvement in my set-up. There's been the usual trials with latency and learning to balance recourses. All in all, I've been amazed at how smooth a transition it's been. And, now there's trouble. Over the past couple of weeks, a major problem has developed. While, playing Live will ..glitch. Playback momentarily stops and then resumes off time. Since 98.6% of what I do is 1) with set tempo percussion and 2) with other players who struggle to stay with a metronome, much less a looper, the end result is a massive stumble or at worse the always popular 'train-wreck' ending. At first it seemed to be random and unpredictable. After a lot of search and research, it happens within a wide window near 10 minute intervals; as little as 9 & as much as 12, but by far most often at 10 minutes +/- 35 secs. At first I thought another program was running in the background, so I clipped everything except audio drives and still it gliches. I've been unsuccessful in finding anything that has changed in AL and I haven't loaded anything onto the laptop within a month. I've checked for viruses, spy and malware with '0' results. I've gone into the start-up registry listings and eliminated anything unnecessary. And, I've implemented all of the tips listed at musicXP.com (yeah, I know. it's a Win system) So, I am at this point completely stumped. And, too frustrated for clarity. With everything else off, it's got to be either in AL or the soundcard (using the internal audio with Stienberg's ASIO plug-in. It's not the best, but it's been working OK) Any thoughts, suggestions or relevant rebukes? dm www.music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor ============ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/427 - Release Date: 8/24/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6C95D.400C0970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
OK, this is about to drive me = nuts.
 
I've been using ALive 5.2 for several months = now and=20 it's been a major improvement in my set-up.  There's been the usual = trials=20 with latency and learning to balance recourses.  All in all, I've = been=20 amazed at how smooth a transition it's been.
 
And, now there's trouble.  Over the past = couple of=20 weeks, a major problem has developed.  While, playing Live = will=20 ..glitch.  Playback momentarily stops and then resumes off = time. =20 Since 98.6% of what I do is 1) with set tempo percussion and 2) with = other=20 players who struggle to stay with a metronome, much less a looper, the = end=20 result is a massive stumble or at worse the always popular 'train-wreck' = ending. 
 
At first it seemed to be random and=20 unpredictable.  After a lot of search and research, it happens = within a=20 wide window near 10 minute intervals; as little as 9 = & as=20 much as 12, but by far most often at 10 minutes +/- 35 secs.  At = first I=20 thought another program was running in the background, so I clipped = everything=20 except audio drives and still it gliches.  I've been unsuccessful = in=20 finding anything that has changed in AL and I haven't loaded anything = onto the=20 laptop within a month.  I've checked for viruses, spy and = malware=20 with '0' results.   I've gone into the start-up registry = listings=20 and eliminated anything unnecessary.  And, I've implemented all of = the tips=20 listed at musicXP.com (yeah, I know.  it's a Win=20 system)
 
So, I am at this point completely = stumped.  And,=20 too frustrated for clarity.  With everything else off, it's got to = be=20 either in AL or the soundcard (using the internal audio with Stienberg's = ASIO=20 plug-in. It's not the best, but it's been working = OK)
 
Any thoughts, suggestions or relevant=20 rebukes?


dm =

www.music.download.com/danmontgomery
www.myspace.com/precentor

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------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C6C95D.400C0970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 02:48:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E402C3BEFA; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:mime-version:content-type; b=cOg4xKlkMqSkxShca+AOrGxhfzzdJPIprmXRpDxOEwlE/y6eUtoOjzBOkizbKRb0o9LPkMcRmi6OWka714HjukeoljTnNoFN6EWTS1xjotRRK+Gjj0PQoi6EpZCyQkh4v2HLtQ67ZI6FqYPeMFMGDEU7cl3JFwanx7zF0owLcMY= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Looping stuff for Mac Thread-Index: AcbJg0aohV/wpjV2EduZqQAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3239477313_16439189" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:48:37 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3239477313_16439189 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey jeff,=20 I just took a minute to try this. YES! Nice work, especially the varispeed thing. I=B9m always amazed when I see this: 6 percent cpu hit on a powerbook 1.5 with a Motu Traveler. When I=B9m using Ableton to accomplish what I need to, I=B9m up to 40 percent and struggling. When working in Max to accomplish something similar, I=B9m down around 30 percent. Max/MSP is absolutely cpu efficient when doing everythin= g from the inside out, rather than employing lots of VSTs from the =8Coutside=B9, for example. But even then it=B9s really efficient, so no complaints. What is also amazing to me is the flexibility of style available with programming from max. I have a few friends who=B9ve made loopers with max, and each one is completely different, yes, like a different Instrument, to refer to our ongoing thread, and each single one makes entirely different music using subtleties in control and design. Probably points which may have been made here before, but which I felt migh= t contribute something by saying it again here. Thanks Jeff. I will use this onstage soon with your permission, which I guess is implied by your posting it to try it out? I look forward to seein= g how you deal with midi control and what other developments you might think of...=20 Great, bests everybody, Todd=20 --B_3239477313_16439189 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Looping stuff for Mac Hey jeff,

I just took a minute to try this.  YES!


Nice work, especially the varispeed thing. I’m always amazed when I s= ee this: 6 percent cpu hit on a powerbook 1.5 with a Motu Traveler.  Wh= en I’m using Ableton to accomplish what I need to, I’m up to 40 = percent and struggling.  When working in Max to accomplish something si= milar, I’m down around 30 percent. Max/MSP is absolutely cpu efficient= when doing everything from the inside out, rather than employing lots of VS= Ts from the ‘outside’, for example.  But even then it’= ;s really efficient, so no complaints.

What is also amazing to me is the flexibility of style available with progr= amming from max.  I have a few friends who’ve made loopers with m= ax, and each one is completely different, yes, like a different Instrument, = to refer to our ongoing thread, and each single one makes entirely different= music using subtleties in control and design.

Probably points which may have been made here before, but which I felt migh= t contribute something by saying it again here.

Thanks Jeff.  I will use this onstage soon with your permission, which= I guess is implied by your posting it to try it out?  I look forward t= o seeing how you deal with midi control and what other developments you migh= t think of...

Great,  bests everybody,

Todd
--B_3239477313_16439189-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 03:23:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 927CC3BEFA; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:user-agent:date:subject:from:to:message-id:thread-topic:thread-index:mime-version:content-type; b=VMGqngSmG+veVdtwG0Ge1D5yv4JhA/jdx2MayElyebR1kcORT6gx9n+X81snkV0zF0ZofFkwxVPdNz2yL4YCC1fOxOOr2jE0WXCafvEdMzvg1bQIVL4TnRKcAO+4V6n/OHDjeI1i1tMtoJ2xSKMmW5k1dRTmigLigD3pc9QNiss= User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:22:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Kaiserlooper (was looping for mac) From: Todd Reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Kaiserlooper (was looping for mac) Thread-Index: AcbJiACiPw+tADV7EduZqQAKldLXPg== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3239479388_16601890" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:23:24 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3239479388_16601890 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, Really enjoyed the track you put up... I put a little experiment up as well. Just 4 loops of an unaffected violin= . You=B9re continuing to make me gravitate to the M/M world. http://toddreynolds.com/Kaiserloop Both an aif and an apple lossless, 26 and 10 megs, respectively. 2:34 secs. Bests, Todd =20 --B_3239479388_16601890 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Kaiserlooper (was looping for mac) Jeff,

Really enjoyed the track you put up...  

I put a little experiment up as well.  Just 4 loops of an unaffected v= iolin.

You’re continuing to make me gravitate to the M/M world.  

http://toddreynolds.com/Kaiser= loop

Both an aif and an apple lossless, 26 and 10 megs, respectively.

2:34 secs.

Bests,

Todd


 
--B_3239479388_16601890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 04:38:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B235C3BEE2; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RS/kj9ruc4vF1tPuFsNiRVg4N7aMV9zDYn4QGO18fRfAoI/JEpYIzaiOKbWOdFyIQSMZEPxQxRFQ/qV6iPZECJYxcRgFUSf7+/iOIbW+n7HeRb/l8sN84T7bCdQURZdYI5YMvRa0UXp6W6pyLUOCKRxM4y5hiXdjyQnRN2RPUNw= ; Message-ID: <20060827043841.55073.qmail@web37815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:38:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David Young Subject: Re: Ehcoplex Loop IV Sensitivity To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1707187688-1156653521=:54769" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:38:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1707187688-1156653521=:54769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Charles. I figured as much. I really limits the dynamics of the recording. Charles Zwicky wrote: Re: Ehcoplex Loop IV Sensitivity It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it but it's just the way they designed it. I have ignored this issue because I thought it was just the nature of the Echoplex but when recording it seems to have a low threshold and cuts out before the sound source has finished. The Echoplex is still recording, I can still here the sound source - like the sustain of a guitar chord - but when it plays back the sound sources tail has been cut off. A note played with lots of reverb results in the reverb being cut off. Is there something I can do with the settings or is this just the way the Echoplex works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output full. Changing these doesn't seem to make any difference. --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. -- ... http://www.zmix.net --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. --0-1707187688-1156653521=:54769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Charles. I figured as much. I really limits the dynamics of the recording.

Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote:
Re: Ehcoplex Loop IV Sensitivity
It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it but it's just the way they designed it.

I have ignored this issue because I thought it was just the nature of the Echoplex but when recording it seems to have a low threshold and cuts out before the sound source has finished. The Echoplex is still recording, I can still here the sound source - like the sustain of a guitar chord - but when it plays back the sound sources tail has been cut off. A note played with lots of reverb results in the reverb being cut off. Is there something I can do with the settings or is this just the way the Echoplex works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output full. Changing these doesn't seem to make any difference.
               

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All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. --0-1707187688-1156653521=:54769-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 05:39:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 302E23BF02; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060826220210.0a501498@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:39:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop IV Sensitivity In-Reply-To: References: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 05:39:33 +0000 (UTC) At 12:56 PM 8/26/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it but it's >just the way they designed it. This statement is incorrect. A gate is necessary for multiple undo functions to work in a useable way. It has nothing to do with noise reduction. >>I have ignored this issue because I thought it was just the nature of the >>Echoplex but when recording it seems to have a low threshold and cuts out >>before the sound source has finished. The Echoplex is still recording, I >>can still here the sound source - like the sustain of a guitar chord - >>but when it plays back the sound sources tail has been cut off. A note >>played with lots of reverb results in the reverb being cut off. Is there >>something I can do with the settings or is this just the way the Echoplex >>works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output full. Changing these doesn't >>seem to make any difference. Long ago in the early versions of LoopIII, we had the gate threshold rather high and it cut decaying sounds off rather obviously. The gate threshold was reduced in subsequent versions to a point where it should not be so obvious. If you hear the gate so obviously, most likely you have the input level too low. this is discussed the Echoplex FAQ: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ5.html#gate The input level should be set high enough such that the loudest sound you play in the loop path is just below clipping. (note I say loop path, not direct path.) The best way I've found to do this is set Mix to "Loop", set feedback to 0, record a very short loop, and turn overdub on. Then you will only hear sounds you play through the loop path, and you can set the input level to the highest it will go before clipping. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 07:40:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC73B3BF00; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Kaiserlooper (was looping for mac) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:39:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-NotAscii: charset=windows-1252; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 23, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.23.199 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0XUn1B.A.pyC.sxU8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Todd!! Very nice, beautiful. Awesome. Midi control is next.... cheers, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Aug 26, 2006, at 8:22 PM, Todd Reynolds wrote: > Jeff, > > Really enjoyed the track you put up... =A0 > > I put a little experiment up as well. =A0Just 4 loops of an = unaffected=20 > violin. > > You=92re continuing to make me gravitate to the M/M world. =A0 > > http://toddreynolds.com/Kaiserloop > > Both an aif and an apple lossless, 26 and 10 megs, respectively. > > 2:34 secs. > > Bests, > > Todd > > > =A0 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 07:56:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29CE53BEE6; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=V80vo1WpJMD+1oDI7Ngd9SzflmvwGHJYui3e2Hjs3HOcZ4+3BIpV16iXUHo+vzMY963dcpgkMxMGzWQvCVKHAkK3Qvhuwp1X65Xz9ZzTbkgg0yejZoSsxr+ibedaDmV/REJscE1sl0n6vh2+niqIoZs9o71dAW+UZj2iqjHBM4I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <82875fb6993a18474181cd6706ff9fc7@pfmentum.com> <5FE0014A-2BA6-4C95-A7C9-E9870C464611@gmail.com> <55f4ec96e205952264846690d52c491e@pfmentum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:56:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:56:36 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2006, at 00.26, Jeff Kaiser wrote: > Do you have max? I'm curious if the max patch itself would work on > your machine..... No Max, but Max/msp Runtime, due to Pluggo. I'm sorry I don't have time to test it on my Powerbook. Gear is being stuffed and I'm about to leave this spot for ten days. > Per, have you tried it with the internal sound card? No. But it would probably work because it does on others Macs. On my G5 I have a similar issue with IP-telephone activities in Skype. So I keep the POwrbook daisy chained (Internet sharing by Firewire800) and use it only for making phone calls through the built-in sound card and mic. I guess the G5 has some problem with PCI Pro audio interfaces regarding software that are made for using the built-in sound card? Kaiserloop looks nice though, by the first functions you chose to put into it (looking at buttons and faders while imagining what it would sound like) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 08:06:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 262E13BED2; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ckB7vHeB+pJXU/M0co2cT84mePHB7h59qBIiSVjOpcUMt4GnXZlAvgc193mbKsBvg5unbrNmQ9fuzKlTKNMmFb5QQu4L1LbExKl0Nb2a9MwGFeLa8zj/+D2ZI7y62mLNekWz5TDv1jlkeETSUFyX+fktZuY9qYAXajoaiNUvIZw= In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live stumbling ... Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:06:06 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2006, at 04.16, dm wrote: > > OK, this is about to drive me nuts. > > I've been using ALive 5.2 for several months now and it's been a > major improvement in my set-up. There's been the usual trials with > latency and learning to balance recourses. All in all, I've been > amazed at how smooth a transition it's been. > > And, now there's trouble. Over the past couple of weeks, a major > problem has developed. While, playing Live will ..glitch. > Playback momentarily stops and then resumes off time. Since 98.6% > of what I do is 1) with set tempo percussion and 2) with other > players who struggle to stay with a metronome, much less a looper, > the end result is a massive stumble or at worse the always popular > 'train-wreck' ending. > > At first it seemed to be random and unpredictable. After a lot of > search and research, it happens within a wide window near 10 minute > intervals; as little as 9 & as much as 12, but by far most often at > 10 minutes +/- 35 secs. At first I thought another program was > running in the background, so I clipped everything except audio > drives and still it gliches. I've been unsuccessful in finding > anything that has changed in AL and I haven't loaded anything onto > the laptop within a month. I've checked for viruses, spy and > malware with '0' results. I've gone into the start-up registry > listings and eliminated anything unnecessary. And, I've > implemented all of the tips listed at musicXP.com (yeah, I know. > it's a Win system) > > So, I am at this point completely stumped. And, too frustrated for > clarity. With everything else off, it's got to be either in AL or > the soundcard (using the internal audio with Stienberg's ASIO plug- > in. It's not the best, but it's been working OK) > > Any thoughts, suggestions or relevant rebukes? How about the hard drive you lay down audio to? Do you keep it instantly defragged and not too filled up with stuff? That's crucial when working audio on a Windows system, at least if your work include a lot of audio files. If you are using the built-in drive (the one in the lappy where also the OS and applications are installed) I would guess that may be something to look into. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 08:19:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16A5B3BF0C; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kHys1wp07eCDTHH+7SLLPrnI8zhsEZffotSdN0ScQnhy50p+BFunqLGFVOQyDJ1FNwT2FqMTg2m1f+Rh3r5I/gaLg6usak+B8j7hW04yzd9dvL96vHI5yX0fnD6QPywfP5LnD+e/MYWJ60qTo1FE6+Z+FwVCbijfWJ7ZKE9SIus= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Kaiserlooper (was looping for mac) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:19:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7_QzbB.A.0wD.SWV8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:19:31 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2006, at 05.22, Todd Reynolds wrote: > http://toddreynolds.com/Kaiserloop Thank you for posting a clip, Todd! The Kaiserloop turned out to sound like I had imagined (I didn't get it to work with my Multiface on the G5 while I was at it). I'm especially thinking about the seamless pitch/rate shifting. You can do a lot of fun stuff with that! It would be nice to combine that seamless shifting with the note step bound pitch/rate shifting I think Mobius excels at. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 08:23:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90F943BF0D; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ae107dfc5b79e0f4fc548544d7e0421@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Kaiserlooper (was looping for mac) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:23:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-NotAscii: charset=windows-1252; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 5, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.23.199 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Excellent idea, and totally do-able...thanks Per. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Aug 27, 2006, at 1:19 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > the note step bound pitch/rate shifting I think Mobius excels at. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 09:49:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E27113BF00; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060827094915842.CDB5F1C003CC@mwinf0407.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060826230242.493.qmail@web27705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060826230242.493.qmail@web27705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-19-123812964 Message-Id: <8C1BB30C-FACA-4874-A2B1-8EE413BC4237@moregeometrico.net> From: gael Subject: Re: Looping stuff for Mac.... Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:49:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:49:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-19-123812964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, a Low pass filter for each loop output would be very nice also, making drone easily :-) best gael http://www.moregeometrico.net Le 27 ao=FBt 06 =E0 01:02, Tony Douglas a =E9crit : > Hi there, > > Just tried it here with a Lombard G3 Powerbook on os x > 10.3.9 and it works fine with the internal sound card. > > Looks like it could be fun - pretty much what I'm > doing with the Rax / Augustus Loop combo. > > - Tony > > > > =09 > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Photos =96 NEW, now offering a quality print service from just =20= > 8p a photo http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > > --Apple-Mail-19-123812964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
Hi,

a Low pass = filter for each loop output would be very nice also,
making drone easily :-)
best

http://www.moregeometrico.net<= /DIV>
Le 27 ao=FBt 06 =E0 01:02, Tony Douglas a =E9crit = :

Hi there,

Just = tried it here with a Lombard G3 Powerbook on os x
10.3.9 and it works fine with the internal sound = card.

Looks like it could be fun - pretty much what = I'm
doing with the Rax / Augustus = Loop combo.

- Tony




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= --Apple-Mail-19-123812964-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 11:07:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B7573BEF6; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAcZ8USBT4lbCgMMBwYd Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060827120542.01d5f8a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:07:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: video looping In-Reply-To: <193e01c6c478$20a0b340$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <004401c6c460$35937ac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <193e01c6c478$20a0b340$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:07:23 +0000 (UTC) >speaking of video looping, I don't know if such a device exists, video looping is achieved by pointing the camera at the screen :-) andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 11:43:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6D813BEFB; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAFwi8USBT4lbAgIHBAoHBh0 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060827123759.01d02d78@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:43:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic VST host? In-Reply-To: <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20060820235050.23171.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19fb01c6c4c2$ddcfa3f0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:43:12 +0000 (UTC) At 02:41 21/08/2006, you wrote: >- I don't want the virtual wire (ie. rat's nest) GUI of connecting >VSTs like Bidule and EnergyXT...that looks like crap after a while >and seems like a waste of screen space >- I'd like to be able to create a module of VST effects, or one VST >effect, where the GUI for doing so is a graphical matrix table (rows >and columns fed by a input that I choose and going to a output that >I choose), where you can insert VST effects in serial or >parallel...then save that matrix or module and show it as one button >or small icon on the main VST host GUI; and then I'd like to be able >to activate that matrix with a mouse click, keyboard button, or MIDI >program change (I guess you can save modules like this in Bidule, >but it is not at all intuitive to me >-Then I would like to be able to place these modules or matrices >into a higher order matrix of modules in parallel or serial, all >shown in the main VST host GUI >- And when selecting the VSTs to go into the matrix, I'd like to be >able to drag and drop them with my mouse from an Explorer like space >into the matrix >- And while playing in real time, I'd like to be able to open up a >module/matrix and drag and drop another VST effect into it ,which >activates and becomes a part of the module in real-time (this is >wishful thinking) >- And I DON'T want to have to program my GUI with a bunch of cryptic >text or codes just to create a matix, but it should all be graphical >and highly intuitive - drag and drop, drop-down menus, what you see >is what you get, etc Bidule should be able to handle this. >Basically, even though all the efects are in parallel, I really do >like Chainer. If Chainer had the ability to put VST effects in >parallel, shown horizontally in the same "link" of the chain, and if >I could activate that "link" via MIDI, Chainer would amost do it for >me. However, I contacted them, and you can't activate a VST effect >via MIDI, only control the VST effects's parameters, presets, >etc...that seems sort of ridiculous to me, but it's their design. I >suppose I could run EnergyXT as a VST and insert a copy it inside >the chain of Chainer...I haven't tired that yet. > >I think MAX/MSP would probably work for me (if it can pull off the >intuitive GUI I prefer), but I don't want to spend the time and get >on the learning curve to create my own VST host. And it seems sort >of ridiculous for me to spend $500 on the program, when it basically >becomes an overglorified VST host. I just want the host ,but not all >the programming bells and whistles. > >I suppose when I can justify the spend, I'll buy MAX/MSP, and just >pay someone to create a VST host for me, built to my specs. or pay someone to create a Bidule layout like this, ( hint :-) which would leave you with the "And while playing in real time, I'd like to be able to open up a module/matrix and drag and drop another VST effect into it ,which activates and becomes a part of the module in real-time " feature >(this is wishful thinking) nope, that's Bidule andy Butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 13:19:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A4D3BEF8; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F19B83.6070009@frey.co.nz> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:17:55 +1200 From: Damian Stewart User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: video looping References: <004401c6c460$35937ac0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <193e01c6c478$20a0b340$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7.0.0.16.0.20060827120542.01d5f8a0@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060827120542.01d5f8a0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6cnoqC.A.OsC.jvZ8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 13:19:31 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > video looping is achieved by pointing the camera at the screen :-) you could build a video looper with a pair of hacked vhs decks, couldn't you? one records, the other plays. mangle a vhs cassette, splice together a loop, rig up a flash feed system.. been meaning to do that for ages, actually. -- f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 16:35:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 557FB3BEE6; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F1C9E5.3070208@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:35:49 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: another looper not on the site References: <20060825183218.14328.qmail@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060825183218.14328.qmail@web36605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-2, 08/24/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Did you ever get any feedback on this? I might be interested. The part about chewing up the sound actually sounds especially interesting... --Josh michael sintros wrote: > it occured to me i should make people aware of the > existence of yet another piece of loop gear. i'm > speaking of the pyle pdsp850 phrase sampler. this > little unit i picked up online knowing nothing about > it except what it claimed to be able to do. they go > for around $100 new. it's a somewhat thin rackmount > unit and is basically a very simple dj phrase sampler. > you've got a few different banks to choose from which > give you different amounts of time to deal with > (probably their way of crudely managing memory on this > p.o.s.). according to the tools of the trade site > list, this would fall under the category of not being > a true looper, since it does not allow you to hit one > button to record and another to stop recording and > immediately initiate playback. in addition to the > buttons to select a memory location, there are a few > other buttons such as 'read' and 'write'. to sample, > make sure the 'read' is lit up and then hit the record > button and it'll start recording, then hit the button > again to stop. then you've got to hit the 'write' > button, after which you can hit the same record/play > button to play or stop the playing loop. it also has > a knob for controlling the speed of the loop just as > on a tape machine or record player. the range is not > that great, maybe about half an octave in either > direction. you can crank the knob all the way in one > direction to record fast and then turn it all the > other direction to get a greater decrease in pitch > then if you had started with the knob at the middle > point. kind of nice. main problem with this baby is > that the sound quality coming out of it SUCKS! it > seems that levels that are already well optimized such > as if you have a cd player plugged right into it > usually don't come out sounding too bad, just a bit > grainy. but if your input signal is even a little bit > soft, it seems like this thing really mangles it. the > knobs that control input and output volume also don't > seem to behave as espected. for instance, put the > input level way down to avoid clipping (which is easy > with this thing), you'll have to turn the output knob > up to compensate for that. so record a loop then play > it back. it will come out very very loud. it's as > though there is an automatic normalization process > that happens to the loop when it is stored, because i > would expect the loop to come out sounding as loud as > it did when i was playing through the unit. or the > input and output volumes affect the throughput and the > stored loops differently, which is retarded. > > anybody else ever been unfortunate enough to buy one > of these? if so, anything you'd recommend to make it > more usable? i never use it anymore because it's too > noisey. if anyone is curious and wants to try one > out, i would be willing to sell mine at a rather low > price, since i know i have not exactly given a rave > review of it. but one man's garbage is another man's > ... aesthetically pleasing garbage. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 16:52:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4383C3BEEC; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F1CDAF.7020500@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:51:59 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live stumbling ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-2, 08/24/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5PlIVB.A.1P.02c8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:52:04 +0000 (UTC) Per, What do you mean by "Instant Defrag"? --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > On 27 aug 2006, at 04.16, dm wrote: > >> >> OK, this is about to drive me nuts. >> >> I've been using ALive 5.2 for several months now and it's been a >> major improvement in my set-up. There's been the usual trials with >> latency and learning to balance recourses. All in all, I've been >> amazed at how smooth a transition it's been. >> >> And, now there's trouble. Over the past couple of weeks, a major >> problem has developed. While, playing Live will ..glitch. Playback >> momentarily stops and then resumes off time. Since 98.6% of what I >> do is 1) with set tempo percussion and 2) with other players who >> struggle to stay with a metronome, much less a looper, the end result >> is a massive stumble or at worse the always popular 'train-wreck' >> ending. >> >> At first it seemed to be random and unpredictable. After a lot of >> search and research, it happens within a wide window near 10 minute >> intervals; as little as 9 & as much as 12, but by far most often at >> 10 minutes +/- 35 secs. At first I thought another program was >> running in the background, so I clipped everything except audio >> drives and still it gliches. I've been unsuccessful in finding >> anything that has changed in AL and I haven't loaded anything onto >> the laptop within a month. I've checked for viruses, spy and malware >> with '0' results. I've gone into the start-up registry listings and >> eliminated anything unnecessary. And, I've implemented all of the >> tips listed at musicXP.com (yeah, I know. it's a Win system) >> >> So, I am at this point completely stumped. And, too frustrated for >> clarity. With everything else off, it's got to be either in AL or >> the soundcard (using the internal audio with Stienberg's ASIO >> plug-in. It's not the best, but it's been working OK) >> >> Any thoughts, suggestions or relevant rebukes? > > > How about the hard drive you lay down audio to? Do you keep it > instantly defragged and not too filled up with stuff? That's crucial > when working audio on a Windows system, at least if your work include > a lot of audio files. If you are using the built-in drive (the one in > the lappy where also the OS and applications are installed) I would > guess that may be something to look into. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 18:05:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 736CE3BEFE; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hkz6/jxMKUl92HtU9CnR6BX23AMauTPSRejYzSA30wxc+OOKXM6E54e7l3Gr0B+G5RSsCE27WeumHGOALGErCZmxiW27h92ZSGu03NRYlUPNOCH2Y1A5+Vmf7nfkbmsU71l0Tf7hB8G3l5xboFBgzidrH818LByT3/Ht+1arg7w= ; Message-ID: <20060827180515.44400.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: file transfering prob mac/windows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2DFDAD57-2B39-4F87-9951-A4741BB9E8F4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 18:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, a friend of mine brought his new sea gate 300GB external usb HD to swap files from our external backup sea gate HDs, both plugged into his mac book.The first time we plugged my HD into the mac we had to restart it for it to recognize it but then it was recognized and did the transfer successfully,but this morning i plugged my HD back to my windows PC and every time i try to open it,it just asks "do u want to format your HD?"however his HD is recognized on both platforms without a problem! anybody has a clue what happened? have i lost all my backup files?is transfering files from different O.S. through an external usb HD a forbidden sin? thank you all! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 20:06:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EFA63BEEC; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aAO/UxqAOaJeuwz+X6OyKiDQRzDXnq0SeSGnNeVrq9IH6Vq8mls5bp5f7tt+RgV41SD6iK+7DqE8xiXvPHfc3aBK5s4rs1d0/zaOQk7Yh9wC8ckuEVDk+vAX+YRxqgvBiTrE1tprXD8FDBdoNvEpcRcibbmw1HfYnf6HJNcEGZc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44F1CDAF.7020500@infinivert.com> References: <44F1CDAF.7020500@infinivert.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <83D2F25F-A2A0-4A44-B644-2B0856CBCE49@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live stumbling ... Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:06:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:06:57 +0000 (UTC) On 27 aug 2006, at 18.51, Joshua Carroll wrote: > What do you mean by "Instant Defrag"? Sorry. Defragmenting the drive often enough. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) http://www.myspace.com/looproom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 27 20:55:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19E953BEFC; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [70.133.146.190] Message-ID: <44F206AA.8020107@infinivert.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 15:55:06 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live stumbling ... References: <44F1CDAF.7020500@infinivert.com> <83D2F25F-A2A0-4A44-B644-2B0856CBCE49@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <83D2F25F-A2A0-4A44-B644-2B0856CBCE49@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0634-2, 08/24/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Got it. I thought there was some cool feature I was missing out on... --Josh Per Boysen wrote: > On 27 aug 2006, at 18.51, Joshua Carroll wrote: > >> What do you mean by "Instant Defrag"? > > > Sorry. Defragmenting the drive often enough. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://tinyurl.com/fauvm (podcast) > http://www.myspace.com/looproom > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 02:13:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DA093BEE7; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c6ca47$9a6c10a0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> From: "raul bonell" To: References: <20060826130055.22098.qmail@web27707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <002001c6c91d$6e1803e0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 04:13:50 +0200 Organization: paciencia records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:13:58 +0000 (UTC) It's logical that Charles can't accept the effect to be an extension of "the instrument" since he is one of the first guys alert on OT mails ;-) ... All in one pack! The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > These systems in their entirety are often referred to as an instrument, > for instance Jimi Hendrix and his Marshalls, Jon Hassel and his > harmonizer... I think this discussion got of on the wrong foot by claiming > that an effect was an instrument. This may be correct, Electro Harmonix is > of the philosophy that their 16 second delay and 2880 are 'looping > instruments'. > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 02:40:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BB1F3BEE6; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6NDE823LP6dPSHQ7yImZ7bvtu7uAHRit9A5hOyHEMtrZHHyEU6rLIMb/evKPpDGNdTpmghI4IhzpGcKYV48KjpX7rhq0JmOkgXQE6ZIU1RpRa0PEC13eXPkEuwrSJ7x2MNUz9db8C8/9gCYZbtoxxh4lUyJdKY4j/zuGTOGglPw= ; Message-ID: <20060828024004.70528.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 19:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: file transfering prob mac/windows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060827180515.44400.qmail@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Did you accidently format it as a Mac drive? If you use standard... I'm not even sure what you call it, "windows" format I guess, the mac will read it as well as it's native drive formatting, but XP will not. I think there's an inexpensive utility though for XP that lets it read mac formatted drives. I never hook my laptop to the internet (ok, that's a lie, I do when there's a call and response license thing like NI uses) so I transfer files using a windows format usb "thumb" drive. That's probably easiest. --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Hi gang, > a friend of mine brought his new sea gate 300GB > external usb HD to swap files from our external > backup > sea gate HDs, both plugged into his mac book.The > first > time we plugged my HD into the mac we had to restart > it for it to recognize it but then it was recognized > and did the transfer successfully,but this morning i > plugged my HD back to my windows PC and every time i > try to open it,it just asks "do u want to format > your > HD?"however his HD is recognized on both platforms > without a problem! > anybody has a clue what happened? have i lost all my > backup files?is transfering files from different > O.S. > through an external usb HD a forbidden sin? > thank you all! > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 05:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F0023BEE4; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01c6ca47$9a6c10a0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> References: <20060826130055.22098.qmail@web27707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <002001c6c91d$6e1803e0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> <000c01c6ca47$9a6c10a0$0200a8c0@raulb3d53f8e09> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:38:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120adc178272aa55fd3a3e1ec412c7676e410da127345fe7d85350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: <7-KD8B.A.vbH.mhn8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:00:22 +0000 (UTC) WTF? >It's logical that Charles can't accept the effect to be an extension >of "the instrument" since he is one of the first guys alert on OT >mails ;-) ... All in one pack! > >The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo >Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com >----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 5:04 PM >Subject: Re: "Instrument" vs "Effect" > >>These systems in their entirety are often referred to as an >>instrument, for instance Jimi Hendrix and his Marshalls, Jon Hassel >>and his harmonizer... I think this discussion got of on the wrong >>foot by claiming that an effect was an instrument. This may be >>correct, Electro Harmonix is of the philosophy that their 16 second >>delay and 2880 are 'looping instruments'. >>-- >>... >>http://www.zmix.net -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 05:00:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07B5B3BEF6; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060826220210.0a501498@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060826220210.0a501498@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:37:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop IV Sensitivity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120adc178272aa55fd3b32d10a95067e41ef2c98678957fd5f6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:00:22 +0000 (UTC) There is a companding noise reduction system in the EDP, however. Is that the culprit here? >At 12:56 PM 8/26/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it but >>it's just the way they designed it. > >This statement is incorrect. A gate is necessary for multiple undo >functions to work in a useable way. It has nothing to do with noise >reduction. > >>>I have ignored this issue because I thought it was just the nature >>>of the Echoplex but when recording it seems to have a low >>>threshold and cuts out before the sound source has finished. The >>>Echoplex is still recording, I can still here the sound source - >>>like the sustain of a guitar chord - but when it plays back the >>>sound sources tail has been cut off. A note played with lots of >>>reverb results in the reverb being cut off. Is there something I >>>can do with the settings or is this just the way the Echoplex >>>works. I have the input on at 1/4 and output full. Changing these >>>doesn't seem to make any difference. > >Long ago in the early versions of LoopIII, we had the gate threshold >rather high and it cut decaying sounds off rather obviously. The >gate threshold was reduced in subsequent versions to a point where >it should not be so obvious. If you hear the gate so obviously, most >likely you have the input level too low. > >this is discussed the Echoplex FAQ: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ5.html#gate > >The input level should be set high enough such that the loudest >sound you play in the loop path is just below clipping. (note I say >loop path, not direct path.) The best way I've found to do this is >set Mix to "Loop", set feedback to 0, record a very short loop, and >turn overdub on. Then you will only hear sounds you play through the >loop path, and you can set the input level to the highest it will go >before clipping. > >kim > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 06:32:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B4E63BEEC; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 06:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060827233150.04f65800@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:32:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop IV Sensitivity In-Reply-To: References: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060826220210.0a501498@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-Xze1C.A.lTB.J4o8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 06:32:42 +0000 (UTC) no. read the FAQ. kim At 09:37 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >There is a companding noise reduction system in the EDP, however. Is that >the culprit here? > >>At 12:56 PM 8/26/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>>It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it but it's >>>just the way they designed it. >> >>This statement is incorrect. A gate is necessary for multiple undo >>functions to work in a useable way. It has nothing to do with noise reduction. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 09:53:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1B03BEDD; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Kc4nulfwL8CBOXxC2SOmqU6iePq3ZpzMHoV7d42p63rjDwXzMyy6YiG+pRwZkqA1Ztg6A4mv5dafixcMr3D+Ctk9V9d2nRn1PFd/UMgXNX20llhXg8mpv6/FjkiSN3bCFlA0zJtas/l6q/9sKPu10A7l8IKZ6Sh2j91p7zn+Ubs= ; Message-ID: <20060828095339.42818.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 02:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: file transfering prob mac/windows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060828024004.70528.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, No... all we did is hook up both HDs into his mac and then this happened hooking it back to my PC.Everytime i want to open my HD it wants to format it. would maybe restoring files with XP going back to the day before we did this work? thanx Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Did you accidently format it as a Mac drive? If you > use standard... I'm not even sure what you call it, > "windows" format I guess, the mac will read it as > well > as it's native drive formatting, but XP will not. I > think there's an inexpensive utility though for XP > that lets it read mac formatted drives. I never > hook > my laptop to the internet (ok, that's a lie, I do > when > there's a call and response license thing like NI > uses) so I transfer files using a windows format usb > "thumb" drive. That's probably easiest. > > --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > a friend of mine brought his new sea gate 300GB > > external usb HD to swap files from our external > > backup > > sea gate HDs, both plugged into his mac book.The > > first > > time we plugged my HD into the mac we had to > restart > > it for it to recognize it but then it was > recognized > > and did the transfer successfully,but this morning > i > > plugged my HD back to my windows PC and every time > i > > try to open it,it just asks "do u want to format > > your > > HD?"however his HD is recognized on both platforms > > without a problem! > > anybody has a clue what happened? have i lost all > my > > backup files?is transfering files from different > > O.S. > > through an external usb HD a forbidden sin? > > thank you all! > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 11:12:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DCAC3BEDD; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060827233150.04f65800@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060826220210.0a501498@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060827233150.04f65800@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:08:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop IV Sensitivity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120adc178272aa55fd36a4b631ca97282df7eed887de8caaf79350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: <_VF6HB.A.It.y-s8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Kim, I understand the EDP theory of undo, but it's arcane. The implementation of this 'feature' that has caused problems for many users of the earlier software revs for years. The Repeater, as one example, has a fully functioning undo without resorting to this vibe killer. >no. read the FAQ. >kim > >At 09:37 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >>There is a companding noise reduction system in the EDP, however. >>Is that the culprit here? >> >>>At 12:56 PM 8/26/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>>>It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it >>>>but it's just the way they designed it. >>> >>>This statement is incorrect. A gate is necessary for multiple undo >>>functions to work in a useable way. It has nothing to do with >>>noise reduction. >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 12:09:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAADC3BEF6; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10294.195.68.31.231.1156766995.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:09:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: EHX 2880 usb question From: "roel" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: q-mailing-list@xs4all.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: <5SuEJB.A.9DD.V0t8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:09:57 +0000 (UTC) hello! since I have become a looping-addict in a few weeks, I'm planning on acquiring a Electro Harmonics 2880 multitrack looper :) However I have a question left: Is the CF card accessible during use of the 2880? Or should I switch the device into some kind of external storage mode... What that question comes down to is: Can the 2880 itself access the CF card when the card accessed by a computer at the same time? Best regards, roel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 12:47:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209FC3BEDE; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <10294.195.68.31.231.1156766995.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> References: <10294.195.68.31.231.1156766995.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:46:52 -0400 To: q-mailing-list@xs4all.nl, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EHX 2880 usb question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120adc178272aa55fd39995d001738b2c8d900f0771c95f4286350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:47:01 +0000 (UTC) I own a 2880 and use it with an Apple Mac under OSx. THe computer can acess the card while the 2880 is running, but I have had "Improper Device Removal" error messages while recording on the 2880 while connected to the computer. It is possible that this is not the case under Windows, but I don't know. >hello! > >since I have become a looping-addict in a few weeks, I'm planning on >acquiring a Electro Harmonics 2880 multitrack looper :) > >However I have a question left: > >Is the CF card accessible during use of the 2880? Or should I switch the >device into some kind of external storage mode... > >What that question comes down to is: Can the 2880 itself access the CF >card when the card accessed by a computer at the same time? > >Best regards, roel -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 15:27:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20AA3BEEC; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c6cab6$8982ff00$9600000a@beneden> From: "roel" To: , "Charles Zwicky" References: <10294.195.68.31.231.1156766995.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: EHX 2880 usb question Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:27:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:27:44 +0000 (UTC) thank you , thats what i needed to know, i'll let know when i have the 2880 and if i get these messages on pc. will be a while though :) best ,roel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Zwicky" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: EHX 2880 usb question > I own a 2880 and use it with an Apple Mac under OSx. THe computer can > acess the card while the 2880 is running, but I have had "Improper > Device Removal" error messages while recording on the 2880 while > connected to the computer. It is possible that this is not the case > under Windows, but I don't know. > > > >hello! > > > >since I have become a looping-addict in a few weeks, I'm planning on > >acquiring a Electro Harmonics 2880 multitrack looper :) > > > >However I have a question left: > > > >Is the CF card accessible during use of the 2880? Or should I switch the > >device into some kind of external storage mode... > > > >What that question comes down to is: Can the 2880 itself access the CF > >card when the card accessed by a computer at the same time? > > > >Best regards, roel > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 25-8-2006 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 17:11:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3FDA3BEE7; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20060828171105110.1AFB81C00CA1@mwinf0304.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: gael Subject: EH16 2004 footpedal Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:11:07 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:11:06 +0000 (UTC) hi, does anyone has the resistors values for doing a diy EH16 controler pedal. as the ones for the Echoplex. Parameters for echoplex : 0 ohms Record 14.3K ohms Overdub 7.87K ohms Multiply 4.75K ohms Insert 2.87K ohms Mute 1.58K ohms Undo 681 ohms NextLoop http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html thanks gael http://www.moregeometrico.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 17:14:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 943D73BEF8; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20060828100609.04eece10@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:14:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop IV Sensitivity In-Reply-To: References: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060826220210.0a501498@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060827233150.04f65800@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9X0QTC.A.-JE._Ry8EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:14:39 +0000 (UTC) The Repeater only has a single layer of Undo. Multiple layer Undo functions like in the Echoplex require a gate to work usably. As I noted before, when input levels are set correctly this is generally not an issue. The software revs where the threshold was set too high are from over 10 years ago. It is kind of pointless for you to go on complaining about that when most people upgraded those units years ago. All you are doing is confusing people. Again, read the faq and check the archives. kim At 04:08 AM 8/28/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: > I understand the EDP theory of undo, but it's arcane. The implementation > of this 'feature' that has caused problems for many users of the earlier > software revs for years. > >The Repeater, as one example, has a fully functioning undo without >resorting to this vibe killer. > >>no. read the FAQ. >>kim >> >>At 09:37 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >>>There is a companding noise reduction system in the EDP, however. Is >>>that the culprit here? >>> >>>>At 12:56 PM 8/26/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>>>>It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it but >>>>>it's just the way they designed it. >>>> >>>>This statement is incorrect. A gate is necessary for multiple undo >>>>functions to work in a useable way. It has nothing to do with noise reduction. ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 17:30:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 486593BF06; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:29:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EH16 2004 footpedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120adc178272aa55fd350a6fdc269597de1dc269a42faf3455c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:30:01 +0000 (UTC) The schematic for the original footcontroller are on Bob Sellon's website, however, the reissued EH 16 second delay use a very different foot controller which contains a microcontroller in the fotswitch itself. I had the same idea when I bought my 16 second. No dice... >hi, > > does anyone has the resistors values >for doing a diy EH16 controler pedal. >as the ones for the Echoplex. > >Parameters for echoplex : > >0 ohms Record >14.3K ohms Overdub >7.87K ohms Multiply >4.75K ohms Insert >2.87K ohms Mute >1.58K ohms Undo >681 ohms NextLoop > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > >thanks > >gael >http://www.moregeometrico.net -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 17:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E2E3BEF9; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:51:34 +0300 From: Diz X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Diz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1462370968.20060828215134@spacenet.ru> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Midi Clock ? (DD-20 midi sync) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Good day ! I would like to know - is Ableton Live! midi clock stable (in general) ? I've build a small device to midi sync BOSS DD-20, but experience some glitches then slaving it to Ableton. BPM display is jittering around - say, 120, 119, 121, 120 etc. Way too much - so I'm going to blame Ableton clock. WBR, Diz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 17:44:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBE7F3BF08; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20060828100609.04eece10@loopers-delight.com> References: <20060826184013.44239.qmail@web37802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060826220210.0a501498@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060827233150.04f65800@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20060828100609.04eece10@loopers-delight.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:44:09 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Echoplex Loop IV Sensitivity Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b571120adc178272aa55fd3a4874221700f2f043dbe96e2fbfbfaa4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Kim, Not trying to confuse anyone, and frankly, as far as most newbies are concerned, the EDP is ancient history, so I don't think it's too dangerous to speak frankly on the open forum. Is it? I admire the EDP software, but not the sound or the interface, so I don't use one. Andre LaFosse is the perfect EDP user on so many levels, and I am glad that these two met! What a combination! Multiple undo can be acheived in a number of ways. This is simply an academic observation of a odd system implemented to deal with a dubious problem. >The Repeater only has a single layer of Undo. Multiple layer Undo >functions like in the Echoplex require a gate to work usably. > >As I noted before, when input levels are set correctly this is >generally not an issue. > >The software revs where the threshold was set too high are from over >10 years ago. It is kind of pointless for you to go on complaining >about that when most people upgraded those units years ago. All you >are doing is confusing people. > >Again, read the faq and check the archives. > >kim > >At 04:08 AM 8/28/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >> I understand the EDP theory of undo, but it's arcane. The >>implementation of this 'feature' that has caused problems for many >>users of the earlier software revs for years. >> >>The Repeater, as one example, has a fully functioning undo without >>resorting to this vibe killer. >> >>>no. read the FAQ. >>>kim >>> >>>At 09:37 PM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >>>>There is a companding noise reduction system in the EDP, however. >>>>Is that the culprit here? >>>> >>>>>At 12:56 PM 8/26/2006, Charles Zwicky wrote: >>>>>>It's an attempt at noise reduction... I've experimented with it >>>>>>but it's just the way they designed it. >>>>> >>>>>This statement is incorrect. A gate is necessary for multiple >>>>>undo functions to work in a useable way. It has nothing to do >>>>>with noise reduction. > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 18:19:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1171D3BEE6; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Loop devices past present and future Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:18:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AcbKyaCzy0Wy7AtySR2axvGyPZ0OBQABE88Q Message-Id: <20060828181858.HNIO18458.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:19:00 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] "Multiple undo can be acheived in a number of ways." So can feedback, and yet some manufacturers don't think it's that important. I for one have not jettisoned my EDP--with all its flaws, it totally rocks with regard to undo and windowing. It IS nice to see progress, and I look forward to the new Boomerang--wonder what Mike Nelson has up his sleeve for this. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 19:33:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3C833BEFF; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <15636399.1156793627669.JavaMail.root@web26> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:33:47 -0700 From: Paul Richards To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop devices past present and future Cc: Gary Lehmann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6x4kYD.A.4aC.hU08EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:33:53 +0000 (UTC) I'm hoping with all the new looping tools, the price for "pre-owned" EDP's drops - so I can get one again. I agree about the EDP's excellent qualities. One thing I miss is the nice way the EDP would sync tempo with my EMU XL-7. After playin' a riff/pattern, I was amazed at how the EDP/XL-7 would combine to drive the XL-7's patches in totally unexpected tempos (in a good way). Really miss that. -- Paul ---- Gary Lehmann wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Zwicky [mailto:cazwicky@earthlink.net] > > "Multiple undo can be acheived in a number of ways." > > So can feedback, and yet some manufacturers don't think it's that important. > I for one have not jettisoned my EDP--with all its flaws, it totally rocks > with regard to undo and windowing. > It IS nice to see progress, and I look forward to the new Boomerang--wonder > what Mike Nelson has up his sleeve for this. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 20:33:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D457D3BEF6; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TUa9S9xRvnbt8/B0ZQs+Tt3vYExF9Oh01isQJjtxmUnEMSBxw2fm0T93Id1I7JCWFZFnKkJb+wlP6HLIl4RCk66ZDvLCXF2m2HouPzB9LmQINmv2/lGpKBlpiFQsmjEalF8dtNgE9svWzjm3fHJrfOeVmmIngefkU0scWnAPWPA= ; Message-ID: <20060828203347.72217.qmail@web81313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: file transfering prob mac/windows To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060828095339.42818.qmail@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:33:50 +0000 (UTC) That's a weird one. I'm not sure why you're having that problem. --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > Hi Mark, > No... all we did is hook up both HDs into his mac > and > then this happened hooking it back to my > PC.Everytime > i want to open my HD it wants to format it. > would maybe restoring files with XP going back to > the > day before we did this work? > thanx > Luis > > --- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > Did you accidently format it as a Mac drive? If > you > > use standard... I'm not even sure what you call > it, > > "windows" format I guess, the mac will read it as > > well > > as it's native drive formatting, but XP will not. > I > > think there's an inexpensive utility though for XP > > that lets it read mac formatted drives. I never > > hook > > my laptop to the internet (ok, that's a lie, I do > > when > > there's a call and response license thing like NI > > uses) so I transfer files using a windows format > usb > > "thumb" drive. That's probably easiest. > > > > --- "L.A. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 28 21:48:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E01923BEF9; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <082101c6caeb$b5b8f2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <023e01c6c7fc$a8fe1e30$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Sound Clips from MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:48:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_081E_01C6CAB9.6A470E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:48:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_081E_01C6CAB9.6A470E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to the few of you who I saw listening in on the live stream for = this event!=20 We had a small but faithful turnout of listeners at the Dojo, and the = acoustics in the room were excellent. I have posted the MP3s of the = performance from Ted and I here: Part I - http://www.box.net/public/a64crzrvol Part II - http://www.box.net/public/emnkxgb3lt Part III - http://www.box.net/public/mn2gcmsll0 It was a lot of fun playing with Mr. Killian. Great playing, Ted! = Sorry, I couldn't resist sending the clips now....I mean, I had the = message cued up and my finger slipped. I love your sounds.=20 In some cases, it is hard to tell who is playing what, because we have = some really intense ambient effects going on. Ted had his monster 20 = space rack to the right of him, and I was using my notebook system and = Boss VF1. But when you hear our un-mangled guitar tones, it will be = obvious, as Ted was using his electric and I was using my Taylor Nylon = string. I hope you enjoy them...comments are welcome! Kris MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - An evening of electronic and = experimental music Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm (doors at 7:30pm) Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo (1512 N. 10th Street, Boise, ID) Price: $5 at the door Streamed to the Internet at: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click = "Listen") Schedule & Performers 8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook computer) 8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, electronics, looping) 9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and synthesizers) 10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian (guitars, notebook = computer, electronics, looping) For more info contact: Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or info@krispenhartung.com www.krispenhartung.com AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410 www.3shapesaikido.com ------=_NextPart_000_081E_01C6CAB9.6A470E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to the few of you who I saw = listening in on=20 the live stream for this event!
 
We had a small but faithful turnout of = listeners at=20 the Dojo, and the acoustics in the room were excellent. I have posted the MP3s of the performance from Ted and I=20 here:
 
Part I - http://www.box.net/public/a= 64crzrvol
Part II - http://www.box.net/public/e= mnkxgb3lt
Part III - http://www.box.net/public/m= n2gcmsll0
 
It was a lot of fun playing with Mr. = Killian. Great=20 playing, Ted!  Sorry, I couldn't resist sending the clips now....I = mean, I=20 had the message cued up and my finger slipped. I love your sounds. =
 
In some cases, it is hard to tell who = is playing=20 what, because we have some really intense ambient effects going on. Ted = had his=20 monster 20 space rack to the right of him, and I was using my notebook = system=20 and Boss VF1.  But when you hear our un-mangled guitar tones, it = will be=20 obvious, as Ted was using his electric and I was using my Taylor Nylon=20 string.
 
I hope you enjoy them...comments are=20 welcome!
 
Kris
 
 
 
MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound = -=20 An evening of electronic and experimental = music

Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm = (doors at=20 7:30pm)

Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo = (1512 N.=20 10th Street, Boise, ID)
Price: $5 at the = door
Streamed to the Internet at: = http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen")
 
Schedule & = Performers
 
8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook=20 computer)
8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo,=20 electronics, looping)
9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and=20 synthesizers)
10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted = Killian=20 (guitars, notebook computer, electronics, looping)

For more info = contact:

Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or info@krispenhartung.com
www.krispenhartung.com

AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410
www.3shapesaikido.com

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_081E_01C6CAB9.6A470E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 08:20:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D923BEE4; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <082101c6caeb$b5b8f2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <023e01c6c7fc$a8fe1e30$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <082101c6caeb$b5b8f2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-291301259 Message-Id: <28527488-7C15-4B9E-851A-F3E1F0006B33@mem.li> From: zurrigo Subject: 72 Hours of EDP Music - Job Offer Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:20:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:20:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-291301259 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed For the first performance my new composition "Fractaloid 1-9" I am looking for a professional instrumentalist who is familiar with the functions of LoopIV and willing to play one or two 8 hour shifts in the project. more info in english: http://www.mem.li/e/fractaloid_e.html much more info in german: http://www.mem.li/d/fractaloid_d.html The performance is taking place in Bern-Switzerland in less than 20 days and I am sorry to say the rehearsals are NOT paid, but a fee of 320 CHF or 200 EUR will be paid per shift. Please contact me off-list only when SERIOUSLY interested and ideally include a link to some of your (instrumental) audio material. Cheers Phil Philipp "zurrigo" Zuercher Elfenauweg 2 CH-3006 Bern Switzerland +41 31 332 46 44 (Landline) +41 78 623 13 13 (Mobile) http://www.mem.li --Apple-Mail-3-291301259 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 For the first performance my new = composition "Fractaloid 1-9" I am looking for a professional = instrumentalist who is familiar with the functions of LoopIV and willing = to play one or two 8 hour shifts in the project.


much more info in = german:=A0http://www.mem.li/d/fractal= oid_d.html

The performance is taking = place in Bern-Switzerland in=A0 less than 20 days and I am sorry to say = the rehearsals are NOT paid, but a fee of 320 CHF or 200 EUR will be = paid per shift.

Please contact me off-list = only when SERIOUSLY interested and ideally include a link to some of = your (instrumental) audio material.

Cheers

Phil


=
Philipp = "zurrigo" Zuercher
Elfenauweg 2
CH-3006 = Bern
Switzerland

+41 31 332 46 44=A0 = (Landline)
+41 78 623 13 13=A0 (Mobile)




=

= --Apple-Mail-3-291301259-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 09:03:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D5083BEF8; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e201c6cb49$f5117150$e701a8c0@pcfabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <023e01c6c7fc$a8fe1e30$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <082101c6caeb$b5b8f2c0$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Sound Clips from MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:03:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C6CB5A.B871AAB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2006 09:03:18.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[F87C88C0:01C6CB49] Resent-Message-ID: <_ARkN.A.6vG.lLA9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:03:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C6CB5A.B871AAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm listen to part I.....Intense and obscure Listen to it suggestes me some abstract (and loopy) visuals. Great Job, Kris and Ted !!! Fabio http://xoomer.alice.it/eterogeneo/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Sound Clips from MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound Thanks to the few of you who I saw listening in on the live stream for = this event!=20 We had a small but faithful turnout of listeners at the Dojo, and the = acoustics in the room were excellent. I have posted the MP3s of the = performance from Ted and I here: Part I - http://www.box.net/public/a64crzrvol Part II - http://www.box.net/public/emnkxgb3lt Part III - http://www.box.net/public/mn2gcmsll0 It was a lot of fun playing with Mr. Killian. Great playing, Ted! = Sorry, I couldn't resist sending the clips now....I mean, I had the = message cued up and my finger slipped. I love your sounds.=20 In some cases, it is hard to tell who is playing what, because we have = some really intense ambient effects going on. Ted had his monster 20 = space rack to the right of him, and I was using my notebook system and = Boss VF1. But when you hear our un-mangled guitar tones, it will be = obvious, as Ted was using his electric and I was using my Taylor Nylon = string. I hope you enjoy them...comments are welcome! Kris MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of Sound - An evening of electronic and = experimental music Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm (doors at 7:30pm) Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo (1512 N. 10th Street, Boise, ID) Price: $5 at the door Streamed to the Internet at: http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ = (click "Listen") Schedule & Performers 8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook computer) 8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, electronics, looping) 9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and synthesizers) 10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian (guitars, notebook = computer, electronics, looping) For more info contact: Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or info@krispenhartung.com www.krispenhartung.com AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410 www.3shapesaikido.com ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C6CB5A.B871AAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm listen to part = I.....Intense=20 and obscure
Listen to it suggestes = me some=20 abstract (and loopy) visuals.
Great Job, Kris and Ted = !!!
Fabio
http://xoomer.alice.it/eterog= eneo/
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 = 11:48=20 PM
Subject: Sound Clips from MOJO = @ the=20 DOJO: Experiments of Sound

Thanks to the few of you who I saw = listening in=20 on the live stream for this event!
 
We had a small but faithful turnout = of listeners=20 at the Dojo, and the acoustics in the room were excellent. = I have posted the MP3s of the performance from = Ted and I=20 here:
 
Part I - http://www.box.net/public/a= 64crzrvol
Part II - http://www.box.net/public/e= mnkxgb3lt
Part III - http://www.box.net/public/m= n2gcmsll0
 
It was a lot of fun playing with Mr. = Killian.=20 Great playing, Ted!  Sorry, I couldn't resist sending the clips = now....I=20 mean, I had the message cued up and my finger slipped. I love your = sounds.=20
 
In some cases, it is hard to tell who = is playing=20 what, because we have some really intense ambient effects going on. = Ted had=20 his monster 20 space rack to the right of him, and I was using my = notebook=20 system and Boss VF1.  But when you hear our un-mangled guitar = tones, it=20 will be obvious, as Ted was using his electric and I was using my = Taylor Nylon=20 string.
 
I hope you enjoy them...comments are=20 welcome!
 
Kris
 
 
 
MOJO @ the DOJO: Experiments of = Sound -=20 An evening of electronic and experimental=20 music

Date/Time: August 26th at 8pm = (doors at=20 7:30pm)

Venue: 3 Shapes Aikido Dojo = (1512 N.=20 10th Street, Boise, ID)
Price: $5 at the = door
Streamed to the Internet = at:=20 http://krispen.serverroom.us:9030/ (click "Listen")
 
Schedule &=20 Performers
 
8:00pm - 8:25pm / Gretchen Jude (notebook=20 computer)
8:30pm - 9:00pm / Amy Vecchione (Banjo, = electronics, looping)
9:15- 10:00pm / George McLean (keyboard and=20 synthesizers)
10:15- 11:00 / Krispen Hartung & Ted = Killian=20 (guitars, notebook computer, electronics, looping)

For more info=20 contact:

Krispen Hartung @ 208-724-5603 or info@krispenhartung.com
www.krispenhartung.com

AlejAndro Anastasio @ 208-387-0410
www.3shapesaikido.com

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C6CB5A.B871AAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 12:48:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1933BEE6; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <9237.195.68.31.231.1156855707.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:48:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Looping with sequencersoftware From: "roel" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: q-mailing-list@xs4all.nl User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I was just wondering if any ppl here are using "regular" sequencer software like pro tools, logic or cubase for audio looping. If so, do you see any advantages of these software compared to, let's say, any looping tool mentioned on the LD site? best, roel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 13:47:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB5CA3BEF1; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OSkMdkTGXtxA/I+Dfzmf26QgixTHYS/PuMANultXLf5T5zbuXbsqdrCfFKTV/8/ourKlYxpWt6I9F0JcgWupkagcCUM342Y77AR/e1QIoyR1gu6Wbtfj6Yogdx74EJF0sJ/zMXMpB9huYs9Rgq7ab9QYZU+Wz2Zlx7QYYVU2hOE= ; Message-ID: <20060829134734.97470.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:47:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9237.195.68.31.231.1156855707.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Well I can't speak for those apps, but I have looped with MOTU's Digital Performer. It actually has a pretty strong looping tool called "POLAR" that loops audio. If ProTools, Cubase, or Logic does audio looping it's news to me. I'm a little confused by what you mean about "tools mentioned on the LD site." Is there a tool we haven't gone over? The tools of the trade page is pretty complete... though I don't remember if it lists MOTU's POLAR. It should, it sure is a real time software audio looper. If you're talking about the difference between the real time looping you can do with the tools listed on LD (such as the Echoplex Digital Pro or software like Mobius or Augustus Loop) and audio editing apps that let you take pre-recorded audio and loop it... you're talking about such different things it's impossibe to fully explain. One cannot be told what live looping is. Reading about live looping is like reading a book about swimming. You can read volumes about it, but the first time you dive into water you'll "know" it in a way that reading can never communicate. The best analogy I can think of is that looping with prerecorded audio in a DAW like Logic is like clipping images and pasting them together to get a new image, where live looping is more like dipping a brush into oil paint. Mark --- roel wrote: > Hi, > > I was just wondering if any ppl here are using > "regular" sequencer > software like pro tools, logic or cubase for audio > looping. If so, do you > see any advantages of these software compared to, > let's say, any looping > tool mentioned on the LD site? > > best, roel > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 13:52:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8733BEC5; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: Subject: RE: Looping with sequencersoftware Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:51:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6cb72$4baa7390$0200a8c0@General> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9237.195.68.31.231.1156855707.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:52:11 +0000 (UTC) I have just started to explore using Ableton Live - There is an interesting technique explained on the Live forum at http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20174 I am using this with a Behringer FCB1010 pedal.... I would like to implement some form of track decay but that is proving difficult at the moment. I have only had Ableton for a week so it's a bit of a steep learning curve! Cheers Martin -----Original Message----- From: roel [mailto:q-mailing-list@xs4all.nl] Sent: 29 August 2006 13:48 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping with sequencersoftware Hi, I was just wondering if any ppl here are using "regular" sequencer software like pro tools, logic or cubase for audio looping. If so, do you see any advantages of these software compared to, let's say, any looping tool mentioned on the LD site? best, roel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 16:13:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EDC03BEE6; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=08HDFrTcUMB/DuYoK8tF4NA5a8dwNr99+IHXeXLO2HbPN8hQiJnHwl2VUJHDNj8qf3gkA0072CkWNV1cyGlaZbZOSp7/nffLhO4aKko+0dzT+RsgWed5FyWRv0WMXja/RzHVGAP7iaTZ1uOLjVUKVddAn5/zv8QaWoJMa1r5wNw= ; Message-ID: <20060829161344.68393.qmail@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dumeril Seven Subject: Re: Ableton Midi Clock ? (DD-20 midi sync) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:13:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Diz > I would like to know - is Ableton Live! midi clock stable (in general)? > > I've build a small device to midi sync BOSS DD-20, but experience > some glitches then slaving it to Ableton. BPM display is jittering > around - say, 120, 119, 121, 120 etc. Way too much - so I'm > going to blame Ableton clock. I'm inclined to think you are correct. On another forum that I frequent, somebody had complained that he was getting sea-sick warbling when synching the delay on his Boss GT-8 to Ableton. I ran a bunch of experiments syncing my GT-8's effects, including delay, to my E-mu PX-7 and it worked perfectly. So my suspicion was that Ableton's MIDI Clock wasn't stable, although I don't have Ableton so I couldn't test that theory directly. D7 Dumeril7 dumeril7@SPAMBEGONEyahoo.com Anti-spam measures in place -- remove "SPAMBEGONE" from my e-mail address if you want to use it.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 17:40:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EF493BEDB; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:48:30 +0300 From: Diz X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Diz X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13443018843.20060829214830@spacenet.ru> To: Dumeril Seven Subject: Re[2]: Ableton Midi Clock ? (DD-20 midi sync) In-reply-To: <20060829161344.68393.qmail@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060829161344.68393.qmail@web38904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Good day! Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 7:13:44 PM, you wrote: >> I would like to know - is Ableton Live! midi clock stable (in general)? [...] DS> I'm inclined to think you are correct. On another forum that I frequent, DS> somebody had complained that he was getting sea-sick warbling when synching the DS> delay on his Boss GT-8 to Ableton. I ran a bunch of experiments syncing my DS> GT-8's effects, including delay, to my E-mu PX-7 and it worked perfectly. So DS> my suspicion was that Ableton's MIDI Clock wasn't stable, although I don't have DS> Ableton so I couldn't test that theory directly. Thank you. So I'm going to check Cubase SX as midi clock master, and preferable some hardware source (my friend's Alesis SR-16 should be ok). -- WBR, Diz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 20:00:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 720E03BEE7; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Live stumbling ... Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:00:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2G4T5C.A.hc.KzJ9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:00:11 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:06 AM How about the hard drive you lay down audio to? ====== Thanks, Per. I usually keep the drive defragged, but tried it anyway. No effect. But,...and I offer this to document it online for anyone who develops a similar problem.... I found that the audio drivers were set wrong for AL5. I also run Cubase on my laptop. I had set the audio to use Stienberg's ASIO wrapper. During the early part of the learning curve on a new system, I hadn't done much with Cubase beyond opening it up and looking around, spending all of my time with AL to be fluent with it as quickly as possible because of my work. A couple of weeks ago, I used Cubase to record a demo of a new song. Soon after, I began having the problem with AL, but didn't make the connection. After exhausting everything else, I switched the audio driver type in AL from ASIO back to MME/DirectX. The system played a processor heavy file for 40 minutes with no glitching. Now, running the system for 3 days, I haven't had the first (un-intentional) stutter in AL5. I am convinced this problem is resolved. I don't know if it's ASIO or just the Steinberg wrapper in particular, but opt for another solution. I plan to eventually upgrade to E-Mu's 1616m for all serious audio applications, but the internal Realtek is doing fine in the interim. Thank you to all who offered suggestions. dm www.music.download.com/danmontgomery www.myspace.com/precentor ============ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 8/29/2006 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 20:20:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E1F13BEF8; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F4A16F.6060204@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:19:59 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live stumbling ... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040309050303070205000204" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:20:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040309050303070205000204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an internal Realtek audio setup, and I managed to get it to work with /much/ lower latency by using the ASIO4ALL driver. Might be worth a shot. --Josh dm wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:06 AM > > How about the hard drive you lay down audio to? > > ====== > > > Thanks, Per. I usually keep the drive defragged, but tried it anyway. No > effect. But,...and I offer this to document it online for anyone who > develops a similar problem.... > > > I found that the audio drivers were set wrong for AL5. > > I also run Cubase on my laptop. I had set the audio to use Stienberg's ASIO > wrapper. During the early part of the learning curve on a new system, I > hadn't done much with Cubase beyond opening it up and looking around, > spending all of my time with AL to be fluent with it as quickly as possible > because of my work. > > A couple of weeks ago, I used Cubase to record a demo of a new song. Soon > after, I began having the problem with AL, but didn't make the connection. > After exhausting everything else, I switched the audio driver type in AL > from ASIO back to MME/DirectX. The system played a processor heavy file for > 40 minutes with no glitching. > > Now, running the system for 3 days, I haven't had the first (un-intentional) > stutter in AL5. I am convinced this problem is resolved. I don't know if > it's ASIO or just the Steinberg wrapper in particular, but opt for another > solution. I plan to eventually upgrade to E-Mu's 1616m for all serious > audio applications, but the internal Realtek is doing fine in the interim. > > Thank you to all who offered suggestions. > > > dm > > www.music.download.com/danmontgomery > www.myspace.com/precentor > > ============ > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 8/29/2006 > > > > > --------------040309050303070205000204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1250 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have an internal Realtek audio setup, and I managed to get it to work with much lower latency by using the ASIO4ALL driver.  Might be worth a shot.

--Josh



dm wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 4:06 AM

How about the hard drive you lay down audio to?

======


Thanks, Per.  I usually keep the drive defragged, but tried it anyway.  No
effect.  But,...and I offer this to document it online for anyone who
develops a similar problem....


I found that the audio drivers were set wrong for AL5.

I also run Cubase on my laptop.  I had set the audio to use Stienberg's ASIO
wrapper.  During the early part of the learning curve on a new system, I
hadn't done much with Cubase beyond opening it up and looking around,
spending all of my time with AL to be fluent with it as quickly as possible
because of my work.

A couple of weeks ago, I used Cubase to record a demo of a new song.  Soon
after, I began having the problem with AL, but didn't make the connection.
After exhausting everything else, I switched the audio driver type in AL
from ASIO back to MME/DirectX.  The system played a processor heavy file for
40 minutes with no glitching.

Now, running the system for 3 days, I haven't had the first (un-intentional)
stutter in AL5.  I am convinced this problem is resolved.  I don't know if
it's ASIO or just the Steinberg wrapper in particular, but opt for another
solution.  I plan to eventually upgrade to E-Mu's 1616m for all serious
audio applications, but the internal Realtek is doing fine in the interim.

Thank you to all who offered suggestions.


dm

www.music.download.com/danmontgomery
www.myspace.com/precentor

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--------------040309050303070205000204-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 20:31:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF0FB3BEE7; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c6cbaa$1026e0a0$01646464@beneden> From: "roel" To: References: <20060829134734.97470.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:30:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: <785dLC.A.HIC.OQK9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Well to answer shortly, the tools (of the trade) i mentioned, are all the more or less hardware tools, like delays, loop recorders etc. which are very well suitable for performing in live situations. What i wondered about, is the use of sequencer software for use in live looping, as in overdubbing, letting audio loops fade out et cetera. Can that be done, or is sequencing software so limited that it's useable only when having prepared loops which were recorded before. I guess you could push software so far that it can be used as live looping software, and not only for playing prerecorded loops. I just don't know if it is hassle-free :) best, roel ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware > Well I can't speak for those apps, but I have looped > with MOTU's Digital Performer. It actually has a > pretty strong looping tool called "POLAR" that loops > audio. If ProTools, Cubase, or Logic does audio > looping it's news to me. > > I'm a little confused by what you mean about "tools > mentioned on the LD site." Is there a tool we haven't > gone over? The tools of the trade page is pretty > complete... though I don't remember if it lists MOTU's > POLAR. It should, it sure is a real time software > audio looper. If you're talking about the difference > between the real time looping you can do with the > tools listed on LD (such as the Echoplex Digital Pro > or software like Mobius or Augustus Loop) and audio > editing apps that let you take pre-recorded audio and > loop it... you're talking about such different things > it's impossibe to fully explain. One cannot be told > what live looping is. Reading about live looping is > like reading a book about swimming. You can read > volumes about it, but the first time you dive into > water you'll "know" it in a way that reading can never > communicate. > > The best analogy I can think of is that looping with > prerecorded audio in a DAW like Logic is like clipping > images and pasting them together to get a new image, > where live looping is more like dipping a brush into > oil paint. > > Mark > > --- roel wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I was just wondering if any ppl here are using > > "regular" sequencer > > software like pro tools, logic or cubase for audio > > looping. If so, do you > > see any advantages of these software compared to, > > let's say, any looping > > tool mentioned on the LD site? > > > > best, roel > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 28-8-2006 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 20:38:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 660263BF08; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F4A5A3.6020907@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:37:55 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware References: <20060829134734.97470.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000f01c6cbaa$1026e0a0$01646464@beneden> In-Reply-To: <000f01c6cbaa$1026e0a0$01646464@beneden> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090102040602030907060001" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:38:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090102040602030907060001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roel, Have you looked at Mobius (zonemobius.com)? For PC it's excellent, and several of us here use it. --Josh roel wrote: > Well to answer shortly, the tools (of the trade) i mentioned, are all the > more or less hardware tools, like delays, loop recorders etc. which are very > well suitable for performing in live situations. > > What i wondered about, is the use of sequencer software for use in live > looping, as in overdubbing, letting audio loops fade out et cetera. Can that > be done, or is sequencing software so limited that it's useable only when > having prepared loops which were recorded before. > > I guess you could push software so far that it can be used as live looping > software, and not only for playing prerecorded loops. I just don't know if > it is hassle-free :) > > best, roel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:47 PM > Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware > > > >> Well I can't speak for those apps, but I have looped >> with MOTU's Digital Performer. It actually has a >> pretty strong looping tool called "POLAR" that loops >> audio. If ProTools, Cubase, or Logic does audio >> looping it's news to me. >> >> I'm a little confused by what you mean about "tools >> mentioned on the LD site." Is there a tool we haven't >> gone over? The tools of the trade page is pretty >> complete... though I don't remember if it lists MOTU's >> POLAR. It should, it sure is a real time software >> audio looper. If you're talking about the difference >> between the real time looping you can do with the >> tools listed on LD (such as the Echoplex Digital Pro >> or software like Mobius or Augustus Loop) and audio >> editing apps that let you take pre-recorded audio and >> loop it... you're talking about such different things >> it's impossibe to fully explain. One cannot be told >> what live looping is. Reading about live looping is >> like reading a book about swimming. You can read >> volumes about it, but the first time you dive into >> water you'll "know" it in a way that reading can never >> communicate. >> >> The best analogy I can think of is that looping with >> prerecorded audio in a DAW like Logic is like clipping >> images and pasting them together to get a new image, >> where live looping is more like dipping a brush into >> oil paint. >> >> Mark >> >> --- roel wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I was just wondering if any ppl here are using >>> "regular" sequencer >>> software like pro tools, logic or cubase for audio >>> looping. If so, do you >>> see any advantages of these software compared to, >>> let's say, any looping >>> tool mentioned on the LD site? >>> >>> best, roel >>> >>> >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 28-8-2006 >> >> >> > > > > > --------------090102040602030907060001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roel,

Have you looked at Mobius (zonemobius.com)?  For PC it's excellent, and several of us here use it.

--Josh

roel wrote:
Well to answer shortly, the tools (of the trade) i mentioned, are all the
more or less hardware tools, like delays, loop recorders etc. which are very
well suitable for performing in live situations.

What i wondered about, is the use of sequencer software for use in live
looping, as in overdubbing, letting audio loops fade out et cetera. Can that
be done, or is sequencing software so limited that it's useable only when
having prepared loops which were recorded before.

I guess you could push software so far that it can be used as live looping
software, and not only for playing prerecorded loops. I just don't know if
it is hassle-free :)

best, roel


----- Original Message -----
From: "mark sottilaro" <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware


  
Well I can't speak for those apps, but I have looped
with MOTU's Digital Performer.  It actually has a
pretty strong looping tool called "POLAR" that loops
audio.  If ProTools, Cubase, or Logic does audio
looping it's news to me.

I'm a little confused by what you mean about "tools
mentioned on the LD site."  Is there a tool we haven't
gone over?  The tools of the trade page is pretty
complete... though I don't remember if it lists MOTU's
POLAR.  It should, it sure is a real time software
audio looper.  If you're talking about the difference
between the real time looping you can do with the
tools listed on LD (such as the Echoplex Digital Pro
or software like Mobius or Augustus Loop) and audio
editing apps that let you take pre-recorded audio and
loop it... you're talking about such different things
it's impossibe to fully explain.  One cannot be told
what live looping is.  Reading about live looping is
like reading a book about swimming.  You can read
volumes about it, but the first time you dive into
water you'll "know" it in a way that reading can never
communicate.

The best analogy I can think of is that looping with
prerecorded audio in a DAW like Logic is like clipping
images and pasting them together to get a new image,
where live looping is more like dipping a brush into
oil paint.

Mark

--- roel <q-mailing-list@xs4all.nl> wrote:

    
Hi,

I was just wondering if any ppl here are using
"regular" sequencer
software like pro tools, logic or cubase for audio
looping. If so, do you
see any advantages of these software compared to,
let's say, any looping
tool mentioned on the LD site?

best, roel


      
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--------------090102040602030907060001-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 20:59:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 513FE3BEFB; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c6cbae$15fae4f0$01646464@beneden> From: "roel" To: References: <20060829134734.97470.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000f01c6cbaa$1026e0a0$01646464@beneden> <44F4A5A3.6020907@infinivert.com> Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:59:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Resent-Message-ID: <7JzzjB.A.FSD.NrK9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:59:57 +0000 (UTC) i haven't looked at that software yet. i am quite new to this list and all kinds of hard- and software ... will give it a try next weekend ! * downloading the latest version now, * thanks! best, roel Joshua Carroll wrote on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:37 PM > Have you looked at Mobius (zonemobius.com)? For PC it's excellent, and several of > us here use it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 21:01:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CC433BF08; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F4AB13.4010409@infinivert.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:01:07 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware References: <20060829134734.97470.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000f01c6cbaa$1026e0a0$01646464@beneden> <44F4A5A3.6020907@infinivert.com> <001c01c6cbae$15fae4f0$01646464@beneden> In-Reply-To: <001c01c6cbae$15fae4f0$01646464@beneden> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090103080708030001070107" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-1, 08/28/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:01:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090103080708030001070107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be sure to join the zonemobius yahoo group. The support there is invaluable! --Josh roel wrote: > i haven't looked at that software yet. i am quite new to this list and all > kinds of hard- and software ... > will give it a try next weekend ! > * downloading the latest version now, * thanks! > > best, roel > > > Joshua Carroll wrote on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:37 PM > > >> Have you looked at Mobius (zonemobius.com)? For PC it's excellent, and >> > several of > us here use it. > > > > > > --------------090103080708030001070107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Be sure to join the zonemobius yahoo group.  The support there is invaluable!

--Josh



roel wrote:
i haven't looked at that software yet.  i am quite new to this list and all
kinds of hard- and software ...
will give it a try next weekend !
* downloading the latest version now, *  thanks!

best, roel


Joshua Carroll wrote on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:37 PM

  
Have you looked at Mobius (zonemobius.com)?  For PC it's excellent, and
    
several of > us here use it.





  
--------------090103080708030001070107-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 21:45:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E11C33BEE4; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c38s5Vr1IP2biYWBkfMCWreRaGMNoReOcgJKI2jfbW02Qg8hdVaSt7Srw54EeeMOKqHnWbRiCrAK8cKfBwadoghVd31ryisFzlyDEf99Blg5EZ4udAoWU2Wbfv9KgA2+D4PbqzshBYTyo+hHh2Rysv3VxGl6sHFAEQg/ZXyENIk= Message-ID: <60d70c8d0608291445n314eb68elc2b40aae679951b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:45:48 -0600 From: "francisco prado" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware In-Reply-To: <44F4AB13.4010409@infinivert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_73122_4085024.1156887948919" References: <20060829134734.97470.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000f01c6cbaa$1026e0a0$01646464@beneden> <44F4A5A3.6020907@infinivert.com> <001c01c6cbae$15fae4f0$01646464@beneden> <44F4AB13.4010409@infinivert.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:45:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_73122_4085024.1156887948919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I know that EOTO (Jason and Travis from SCI) use Ableton for their live looping, using a Behringer foot controller. When I discussed it with them, it seemed the biggest issue they had were the latencies that exist inherently in the hardware and drivers. I wish I knew more specifics about the signal path, but I think the audio is being digitized and run across a 1394 interface. It took them buying a powerbook pro to drop the latencies down to acceptable levels for live use (<2ms). They have the ability to have at least 8 independent loops, but I don't beleive they have any overdubbing or decay abilities. you can check them out at http://www.myspace.com/eotomusic F On 8/29/06, Joshua Carroll wrote: > > Be sure to join the zonemobius yahoo group. The support there is > invaluable! > > --Josh > > > > > roel wrote: > > i haven't looked at that software yet. i am quite new to this list and all > kinds of hard- and software ... > will give it a try next weekend ! > * downloading the latest version now, * thanks! > > best, roel > > > Joshua Carroll wrote on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:37 PM > > Have you looked at Mobius (zonemobius.com)? For PC it's excellent, and > > several of > us here use it. > > > > > > ------=_Part_73122_4085024.1156887948919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I know that EOTO (Jason and Travis from SCI) use Ableton for their live looping, using a Behringer foot controller.  When I discussed it with them, it seemed the biggest issue they had were the latencies that exist inherently in the hardware and drivers.  I wish I knew more specifics about the signal path, but I think the audio is being digitized and run across a 1394 interface.  It took them buying a powerbook pro to drop the latencies down to acceptable levels for live use (<2ms). 

They have the ability to have at least 8 independent loops, but I don't beleive they have any overdubbing or decay abilities.

you can check them out at http://www.myspace.com/eotomusic

F


On 8/29/06, Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com> wrote:
Be sure to join the zonemobius yahoo group.  The support there is invaluable!

--Josh




roel wrote:
i haven't looked at that software yet.  i am quite new to this list and all
kinds of hard- and software ...
will give it a try next weekend !
* downloading the latest version now, * thanks!

best, roel


Joshua Carroll wrote on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:37 PM

Have you looked at Mobius (zonemobius.com)?  For PC it's excellent, and
several of > us here use it.






------=_Part_73122_4085024.1156887948919-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 23:18:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D263BED8; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Thomas Wingren" To: Subject: EH 2880 question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:18:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6CBD2.2B0ADA20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcbLwWdXedjMgCtdRaGs7EsKEYq7jg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Message-Id: <20060829231817.IPBB11843.mxfep02.bredband.com@GERHARDT> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:18:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6CBD2.2B0ADA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a question about the Electro Harmonix 2880 that I think is rather easy to answer for you guys. I'm a percussionist and rather new to looping, and electronic equipment in general. Is it possible to record with an external, running midi clock? I'm often in a situation where I play percussion along with DJs and producers who has drum machines or working with ableton. I red in the manual that by pressing rec with an external midi clock connected, the 2880 will start record when it receives a midi start command (p.22). I guess that would be when you press start on the drum machine which doesn't help me much. In my situation, I want to be able to record and loop whenever I want, when the drum machine/ableton already is running. Is that possible with the 2880, if not would that work with any other hardware equipment? / Thomas Wingren www.expansionsmusic.com ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6CBD2.2B0ADA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=20 have a question about the Electro Harmonix 2880 that I think is rather = easy to=20 answer for you guys. I’m a percussionist and rather new to = looping, and=20 electronic equipment in general. Is it possible to record with an external, running midi clock? = I’m often=20 in a situation where I play percussion along with DJs and producers who = has drum=20 machines or working with ableton.

 

I red=20 in the manual that by pressing rec with an external midi clock = connected, the=20 2880 will start record when it receives a midi start command (p.22). I = guess=20 that would be when you press start on the drum machine which = doesn’t help me=20 much. In my situation, I want to be able to record and loop whenever I = want,=20 when the drum machine/ableton already is running.=20

 

Is=20 that possible with the 2880, if not would that work with any other = hardware=20 equipment?

 

/=20 Thomas=20 Wingren

www.expansionsmusic.com

<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6CBD2.2B0ADA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 23:30:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B1853BEF0; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,183,1154934000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="123162965:sNHT25758215" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6CBC3.27510FBE" Subject: (FS) Nobels MF-2 foot controller for sale. Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:30:44 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (FS) Nobels MF-2 foot controller for sale. thread-index: AcbLRBBMA5YgIQdOQmuvw1b6gxJkuQAfgq/g From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2006 23:30:46.0932 (UTC) FILETIME=[278E0D40:01C6CBC3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:30:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CBC3.27510FBE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Nobels MF-2 is like the out-of-production Rolls Midiwizard, with inputs for 4 switches and 4 exp pedals. Can be a great foot controller for looping applications. Check it out if you are interested: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=3DR40&satitle=3Dnobels+mf-2= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CBC3.27510FBE Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (FS) Nobels MF-2 foot controller for sale.

The Nobels MF-2 is = like the out-of-production Rolls Midiwizard, with inputs for 4 switches = and 4 exp pedals.
Can be a great foot = controller for looping applications.  Check it out if you are = interested:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=3DR40&sa= title=3Dnobels+mf-2


------_=_NextPart_001_01C6CBC3.27510FBE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 29 23:32:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA2E3BEDC; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003301c6cbc3$68847410$290cd255@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <20060829134734.97470.qmail@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000f01c6cbaa$1026e0a0$01646464@beneden> Subject: Helllo and a reply to a question Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:32:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi all Haven't posted for a while blimey it was a year ago since Zurich! Fantastic memories. Anyway so thought I'd put my 'two pence worth' in on this one... I use Ableton Live without any pre-recorded samples or sequence setups. Live allows you (just about) to do whatever you can think of, imagination is the main restriction. To say you could 'push software so far that it can be used as live looping' is out of date. The process of looping in Live is simple and as easy as using a delay pedal or peeling a ripe orange. Loopers Delight helped me understand what I required for my setup, if you want to email me please feel free to do so I will gladly rant a bit more and try to help you out However... Just remember there is loads of info available in the archives of this mailing list, if you like looping and stick around you will see these types of emails come around and around and around and around and around...a bit like a .................LOOP!!! ARRGGHH! ...no escape... What's great is that it is not a genre of music it's just a technique, there are so many different types of music that can be created from it...Loop On! Research and enjoy Dan www.myspace.com/danmayfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "roel" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware > Well to answer shortly, the tools (of the trade) i mentioned, are all the > more or less hardware tools, like delays, loop recorders etc. which are > very > well suitable for performing in live situations. > > What i wondered about, is the use of sequencer software for use in live > looping, as in overdubbing, letting audio loops fade out et cetera. Can > that > be done, or is sequencing software so limited that it's useable only when > having prepared loops which were recorded before. > > I guess you could push software so far that it can be used as live looping > software, and not only for playing prerecorded loops. I just don't know if > it is hassle-free :) > > best, roel From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 01:28:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63AA23BED2; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:28:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060829231817.IPBB11843.mxfep02.bredband.com@GERHARDT> References: <20060829231817.IPBB11843.mxfep02.bredband.com@GERHARDT> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:28:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: EH 2880 question Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1055221205==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711200418dc5081b9c80cc1bad05ba1af364112fd8f0b1e997d0b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:28:11 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1055221205==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" You can drop in and out of record at any time when synched to a running MIDI clock, and you can start and stop playback at any time, too. >I have a question about the Electro Harmonix 2880 that I think is >rather easy to answer for you guys. I'm a percussionist and rather >new to looping, and electronic equipment in general. Is it possible >to record with an external, running midi clock? I'm often in a >situation where I play percussion along with DJs and producers who >has drum machines or working with ableton. > > > >I red in the manual that by pressing rec with an external midi clock >connected, the 2880 will start record when it receives a midi start >command (p.22). I guess that would be when you press start on the >drum machine which doesn't help me much. In my situation, I want to >be able to record and loop whenever I want, when the drum >machine/ableton already is running. > > > >Is that possible with the 2880, if not would that work with any >other hardware equipment? > > > >/ Thomas Wingren > >www.expansionsmusic.com -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1055221205==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: EH 2880 question
You can drop in and out of record at any time when synched to a running MIDI clock, and  you can start and stop playback at any time, too.


I have a question about the Electro Harmonix 2880 that I think is rather easy to answer for you guys. I'm a percussionist and rather new to looping, and electronic equipment in general. Is it possible to record with an external, running midi clock? I'm often in a situation where I play percussion along with DJs and producers who has drum machines or working with ableton.
 
I red in the manual that by pressing rec with an external midi clock connected, the 2880 will start record when it receives a midi start command (p.22). I guess that would be when you press start on the drum machine which doesn't help me much. In my situation, I want to be able to record and loop whenever I want, when the drum machine/ableton already is running.
 
Is that possible with the 2880, if not would that work with any other hardware equipment?
 
/ Thomas Wingren
www.expansionsmusic.com


-- 
...
http://www.zmix.net
--============_-1055221205==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 01:43:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51A313BEDC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dm" To: Subject: RE: Live stumbling ... Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:43:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6CBB4.34619500" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <44F4A16F.6060204@infinivert.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:43:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6CBB4.34619500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed this, too. The Relate gives me 5.8ms in and 22.1ms out as opposed to 325 & 46.4 from the ASIO DirectX Full Duplex. ASIO Multimedia sets at 140 & 750!! I don't get it, but I suspect it's because the drivers I was using are a 'wrappers'. I suspect the extra time must be because of the translation for a non-ASIO interface. But, I'll give ASIO4ALL a shot and let you know what happens. Thanks; dm -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Carroll [mailto:josh@infinivert.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live stumbling ... I have an internal Realtek audio setup, and I managed to get it to work with much lower latency by using the ASIO4ALL driver. Might be worth a shot. --Josh -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/432 - Release Date: 8/29/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6CBB4.34619500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
I noticed this, too.  The Relate gives me 5.8ms in = and 22.1ms=20 out as opposed to 325 & 46.4 from the ASIO DirectX Full = Duplex.  =20 ASIO Multimedia sets at 140 & 750!!  I don't get it, but I = suspect it's=20 because the drivers I was using are a 'wrappers'.  I = suspect=20 the extra time must be because of the translation for a non-ASIO=20 interface.   But, I'll=20 give ASIO4ALL a shot and let you know what=20 happens.
 
Thanks;
dm
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Carroll=20 [mailto:josh@infinivert.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 = 4:20=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Live stumbling ...

I have an internal Realtek = audio setup,=20 and I managed to get it to work with much lower latency by = using the=20 ASIO4ALL driver.  Might be worth a=20 shot.

--Josh
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C6CBB4.34619500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 02:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 007893BEE4; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:56:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: EDP Feedback control via FCB1010 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: <007501c6cbdf$def8a320$6700a8c0@mincer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcbL396BoGROAyMZRPygcsNjvwyp0A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:56:22 +0000 (UTC) I have been using the FCB's expression pedal to control the EDP's feedback for years. Due to the stupidly designed Exp pedal which can only be assigned to 1 midi channel, I have dedicated one of the Exp pedals specifically for the feedback control. This has always worked great, but I can't use that pedal for anything else, unless it is on the same midi channel. Now, I suppose I could set up a bunch of presets that trigger between 100% feedback and a smaller value. Not quite the instant feedback control because I would have to get to a specific bank and press the right pedal for, say, 80% feedback. Now I could assign the EDP to the same channel as another fx unit, and for those few fx patches that need it, I could use the exp pedal...but I am guessing sending a bunch of midi info to the EDP (program changes, CCs, note ons..) might have unpredictable results. Another option is just use a volume pedal for feedback, although I have no room on my current board for that. Any other workarounds? Gak. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 05:02:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 561913BEE4; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Su6qBDsFLY3PqQQnhxHryXyjcNFVZMtHEC1HSmpcvYPsZyAuDPL87SxebMIpXm1FIcJGHBAeiJE2PEwKdLKjclINPX65eCtXbcQiL1rlslcRCKeSP8DZ4wlpbZjvyXAlYIXXBq3JK+ojRs1XK21sc+jhTsY5/adi4j0lnnLZnPw= ; Message-ID: <20060830050221.3720.qmail@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:02:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Helllo and a reply to a question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003301c6cbc3$68847410$290cd255@homemain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:02:23 +0000 (UTC) I've been having good luck with Live, but I must say I have not yet attempted doing any "live looping" with it. That (just about) for me is feedback control (which you all know I'm so fond of). With the addition of Mobius though, it's a hell of a powerful duo. I've emptied a rack of gear due to it. --- Dan Mayfield wrote: > Hi all > > Haven't posted for a while blimey it was a year ago > since Zurich! Fantastic > memories. Anyway so thought I'd put my 'two pence > worth' in on this one... > I use Ableton Live without any pre-recorded samples > or sequence setups. > Live allows you (just about) to do whatever you can > think of, imagination is > the main restriction. To say you could 'push > software so far that it can be > used as live looping' is out of date. The process > of looping in Live is > simple and as easy as using a delay pedal or peeling > a ripe orange. Loopers > Delight helped me understand what I required for my > setup, if you want to > email me please feel free to do so I will gladly > rant a bit more and try to > help you out > > However... > > Just remember there is loads of info available in > the archives of this > mailing list, if you like looping and stick around > you will see these types > of emails come around and around and around and > around and around...a bit > like a .................LOOP!!! ARRGGHH! > > ...no escape... > > What's great is that it is not a genre of music it's > just a technique, there > are so many different types of music that can be > created from it...Loop On! > > Research and enjoy > > Dan > www.myspace.com/danmayfield > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "roel" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:30 PM > Subject: Re: Looping with sequencersoftware > > > > Well to answer shortly, the tools (of the trade) i > mentioned, are all the > > more or less hardware tools, like delays, loop > recorders etc. which are > > very > > well suitable for performing in live situations. > > > > What i wondered about, is the use of sequencer > software for use in live > > looping, as in overdubbing, letting audio loops > fade out et cetera. Can > > that > > be done, or is sequencing software so limited that > it's useable only when > > having prepared loops which were recorded before. > > > > I guess you could push software so far that it can > be used as live looping > > software, and not only for playing prerecorded > loops. I just don't know if > > it is hassle-free :) > > > > best, roel > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 14:23:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B2273BEDC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:25:03 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: OT: LEDs for amp channel switching To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight-d@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003f01c6cc40$20dc0060$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060830012812.32B6F3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1aBYoD.A.iZH.s9Z9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Crew- This is way OT, but I'll bet one of you loopers just might be the DIY brainiac to solve my problem. I just purchased a Carvin V3 amp head - great sounding 100-watt EL34 monster, by the way - but the channel-switching footswitch has no LEDs on it. There are three channels plus a "boost" function, and all four footswitches are simple SPDT switches with one lug unused. I figure it would be fairly easy to swap the SPDTs for DPDTs or, if necessary, those groovy Fulltone triple-throw DT switches, drill holes in the switch housing, add LEDs and a 9V battery, and I'd be rocking. The problem is, I can't find a schematic that would cause just one channel light to be on at a time. I'm boggled about how to wire it so that if, for example, I'm using Channel 1 and want to change to Channel 2, when I press switch #2 (for Channel 2), the LED for switch #1/Channel 1 goes off and the LED for switch #2/Channel 2 goes on. So among the three channels, only one LED can be on at a time. The 4th (boost) switch would remain on or off regardless of which channel is on (that one's easy). I spent about an hour the other night doing Google searches on all kinds of guitar and amp DIY sites, and I checked my Craig Anderton books, and I couldn't find anything for this other than to get into some kind of solid state switching chip, which I'd rather avoid. It SEEMS like it would be a simple enough circuit WITHOUT any chips or boards, but I don't do this kind of thing often enough to figure it out for myself. HELLLLLLLPPPPP! Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "Life! Life! Clouds and clowns! You don't have to come down!" - Sly and the Family Stone From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 15:58:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E01393BECC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Martin Shakeshaft" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:58:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6cc4d$14914290$0200a8c0@General> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6CC55.7657F480" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6CC55.7657F480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6CC55.7657F480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6CC55.7657F480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 16:10:14 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59E03BEFA; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003f01c6cc40$20dc0060$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <20060830012812.32B6F3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <003f01c6cc40$20dc0060$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:09:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: LEDs for amp channel switching Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b5711200418dc5081b9c80c39c34ce9bdd6d0b230d7a05c6a243af2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: <4CwXn.A.nFB.mhb9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Are these latching or momentary switches? >Hi Crew- > This is way OT, but I'll bet one of you loopers just might be the DIY >brainiac to solve my problem. > >I just purchased a Carvin V3 amp head - great sounding 100-watt EL34 >monster, by the way - but the channel-switching footswitch has no LEDs on >it. There are three channels plus a "boost" function, and all four >footswitches are simple SPDT switches with one lug unused. I figure it would >be fairly easy to swap the SPDTs for DPDTs or, if necessary, those groovy >Fulltone triple-throw DT switches, drill holes in the switch housing, add >LEDs and a 9V battery, and I'd be rocking. > >The problem is, I can't find a schematic that would cause just one channel >light to be on at a time. I'm boggled about how to wire it so that if, for >example, I'm using Channel 1 and want to change to Channel 2, when I press >switch #2 (for Channel 2), the LED for switch #1/Channel 1 goes off and the >LED for switch #2/Channel 2 goes on. So among the three channels, only one >LED can be on at a time. The 4th (boost) switch would remain on or off >regardless of which channel is on (that one's easy). > > I spent about an hour the other night doing Google searches on all kinds >of guitar and amp DIY sites, and I checked my Craig Anderton books, and I >couldn't find anything for this other than to get into some kind of solid >state switching chip, which I'd rather avoid. It SEEMS like it would be a >simple enough circuit WITHOUT any chips or boards, but I don't do this kind >of thing often enough to figure it out for myself. > >HELLLLLLLPPPPP! > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >www.thecoyote.org >coyotelk@optonline.net > >"Life! Life! >Clouds and clowns! >You don't have to come down!" >- Sly and the Family Stone -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 17:40:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 360663BEDF; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <270.5a1c6f00.32272769@aol.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:39:53 EDT Subject: Gig Notice: Points of Friction Live 88.9 FM KXLU Los Angeles 8/30/06 To: re_laxen@yahoo.com, brenchica4@valp.net, Sharon.Brown@albertsons.com, ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net, Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com, L8KERS08@aol.com, RiverbratKell@aol.com, sdjeepguy@mac.com, gottaski@sbcglobal.net, george@m-audio.com, ngci@adelphia.net, jeremy@k-9behavior.com, samjohnson@gotsky.com, jkranitz@aural-innovations.com, SaftyBear1@aol.com, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com, loachfillet@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, MarcMylar@aol.com, catspoet@hotmail.com, Mikecfriedman@aol.com, MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com, kmoyes@optusnet.com.au, rantinraven@sbcglobal.net, ngutmacher@m-audio.com, osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net, info@getcom.biz, phantomairship@yahoo.com, deanna59@msn.com, richard_derrick@msn.com, richie@richiehass.com, KRileyms@hotmail.com, GRXLR8@aol.com, WonderxLand@aol.com, gsmulti@spiritone.com, Mdsegal@earthlink.net, Steve.Brown@albertsons.com, Sstraub425@aim.com, Scan4Kim@aol.com, Scanmt@aol.com Cc: backbiter@sbcglobal.net, Christine@hennesseyproject.com, rymanpotter@adelphia.net, rdube@adelphia.net, deb@deborahexit.com, Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com, mgarrett@standardabrasives.com, GonzalesMignon@aol.com, heustis@comcast.net, imcdole@interwrx.com, fkrejci@pacbell.net, laureholloway@yahoo.com, stmjames@ms19.hinet.net, SRYAH@aol.com, Mike.Voth@albertsons.com, Cdnote@aol.com, moyesguitars@optusnet.com.au, msolomon@zebra.com, Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz, GRADAI@socal.RR.com, Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com, richiehass@dslextreme.com, Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov, Robert@getcom.biz, rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net, Rymanpotter@sbcglobal.net, sachis2112@yahoo.com, santibanez.brown@verizon.net, Susan.Joy@albertsons.com, trigone@trigonrecords.com, VMARTINE@healthcarepartners.com, walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1156959593" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:40:39 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1156959593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gig notice: Details: Noise/Loop/Experimental Fiasco by L.A.F.M.S (Los Angeles Free Music Society) alumni Points of Friction Live on radio KXLU 88.9 FM Los Angeles Streaming audio available at KXLU.com Show "Glossolalia" 10:00 to 11:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time Wednesday August 30, 2006 Host: Professor Cantaloupe Melon Expander release "Afterlife DNA Fingerpainting" available soon . Previous Releases: "1982" (Solid Eye cassette, Spagyric CDR), "Sackcloth and ashes" (Solid Eye cassette, Anomalous Records CD) Points of Friction is Tim Alexander (Professor Moth, Fiasco), Damian Bisciglia (Spagyric, Agog, Erotic Boulders, solo), Mitchell Brown (Paramicia Wedding, Erotic Boulders, solo), Joseph Hammer (Dinosaurs with Horns, Paramicia Wedding, Swan Trove, Dimmer, solo) and Kenny Ryman (Paperbag, KeDaVi, solo). Contact: _www.pointsoffriction@pof.com_ (http://www.pointsoffriction@pof.com) Thanks -------------------------------1156959593 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Points of Friction Live on radio KXLU 88.9 FM Los Angeles
 
Streaming audio available at KXLU.com
 
Show "Glossolalia" 10:00 to 11:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time Wednesd= ay=20 August 30, 2006
Host: Professor Cantaloupe
 
Melon Expander release "Afterlife DNA Fingerpainting" available soon
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Previous Releases: "1982" (Solid Eye cassette, Spagyric CDR), "Sackclot= h=20 and ashes" (Solid Eye cassette, Anomalous Records CD)
 
Points of Friction is Tim Alexander (Professor Moth, Fiasco), Damian=20 Bisciglia (Spagyric, Agog, Erotic Boulders, solo), Mitchell Brown=20 (Paramicia Wedding, Erotic Boulders, solo), Joseph Hammer (Dinosaurs with Ho= rns,=20 Paramicia Wedding, Swan Trove, Dimmer, solo) and Kenny Ryman (Paperbag, KeDa= Vi,=20 solo).
 
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-------------------------------1156959593-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 19:43:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A0463BEEC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5fKSXzkYi5IHzABH6/f81dNsby9oQZ/irXIJd2Xn69X68NLemTqNzQgP6Qxia4og15O4f2eT9dAiYzEcDEGLwAv6WKxSiSJJq3nPjow/uTDiAFfL5B+xOy1GxThgug9PbPRXVk54klxlUtXvOHSjsMV3iYrYex8oY8mOnZPPh4E= ; Message-ID: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <198401c6c48b$d2c657b0$6fb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi! I finally got my G5 up and running and now that I have some extra horsepower I'm wondering if a mac based audio looper is available other than Augustus Loop. RediaL? I've never used it but I wonder what people who do think of it. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 19:55:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B12B3BEEC; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <04640fe7e641bfe7d3d0cad119dbf622@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:55:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <6fUK2C.A.ZlE.10e9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, I know there is Loopy Llama as well, Radial, and ableton live. Also, in=20= a bit, I hope to refine my 8 track looper and make it available as a=20 VST, but that won't be for a few months as I have a busy travel=20 schedule..... I know people that swear by Radial...Gregory Taylor of C74 uses it in=20 his performances and it sounds great. http://www.cycling74.com/c74music/011 And William Harrington on my Angry Vegan label uses it as well. http://www.angryvegan.com/sounds/AVRCD005.mp3 I've seen both those guys use it live....pretty cool. I didn't like the=20= interface myself, but that is purely preference. best, Jeff Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Aug 30, 2006, at 12:43 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hi! > > I finally got my G5 up and running and now that I have > some extra horsepower I'm wondering if a mac based > audio looper is available other than Augustus Loop. > RediaL? I've never used it but I wonder what people > who do think of it. > > Mark= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 30 21:50:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08D413BEDD; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:50:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: jamman on ebay Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <44F61634.13803.2EB28C4@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <_mY-GC.A.wPG.pgg9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:50:33 +0000 (UTC) There's a jamman going cheap (so far) on ebay, located in scotland. Itreh # 110027012421 All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 01:01:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B6CB3BEE6; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:02:06 -0700 From: daniel Subject: RC-50 vs electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c6ccb2$3947f560$6401a8c0@n4q1r2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_J4ZPEkiJqOpls4ainMCepw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:01:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_J4ZPEkiJqOpls4ainMCepw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Any comparison done between RC-50 vs electrix repeater --Boundary_(ID_J4ZPEkiJqOpls4ainMCepw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Any comparison done between RC-50 vs electrix repeater

--Boundary_(ID_J4ZPEkiJqOpls4ainMCepw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 01:04:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F10F03BEFC; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c6cc99$5bc6dde0$8c13fea9@SEANDELL> Reply-To: "Sean Mormelo" From: "Sean Mormelo" To: References: <000e01c6ccb2$3947f560$6401a8c0@n4q1r2> Subject: RC-50 For sale Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:04:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6CC56.4D636090" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:04:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6CC56.4D636090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's much more then I need I've decided. Another DL4 or an RC20xl would = be fine. Make me an offer and I'll ship it out. Sean Mormelo www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo EPK- www.sonicbids.com/seanmormelo www.CDbaby.com/seanmormelo ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6CC56.4D636090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C6CC56.4D636090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 01:35:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A31033BEF1; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nVd/RKuQ8dtfoa82cPEQIqfUtWq2dm99Dwnod0GfGg9BkJFiuGiKyUIAfZ6v1EsAherXNRALRG4DITzb9Mdgm2zUQs0tu91oO2lXZYr5dWMuxoCWGJrnnK3Ta5uUAmgubGG/LQMSgPTnQxxGkVhpaJrj14LbDfzA94OkkVOSxkw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:35:28 -0400 From: jacobs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Linux MIDI-OX? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50890_11760910.1156988128475" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:35:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50890_11760910.1156988128475 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm hoping maybe someone on here knows of a Linux solution to the Windows program MIDOX. I need to translate incoming MIDI program changes into other MIDI data and send it back out in realtime. Anyone? Hopefully something with a built in sequencer as well, albeit a simple one. Jacob ------=_Part_50890_11760910.1156988128475 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm hoping maybe someone on here knows of a Linux solution to the Windows program MIDOX. I need to translate incoming MIDI program changes into other MIDI data and send it back out in realtime. Anyone? Hopefully something with a built in sequencer as well, albeit a simple one.

Jacob
------=_Part_50890_11760910.1156988128475-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 01:45:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA4523BF08; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F63ECF.7040305@frey.co.nz> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:43:43 +1200 From: Damian Stewart User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Linux MIDI-OX? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:45:24 +0000 (UTC) jacobs wrote: > I'm hoping maybe someone on here knows of a Linux solution to the > Windows program MIDOX. I need to translate incoming MIDI program changes > into other MIDI data and send it back out in realtime. Anyone? Hopefully > something with a built in sequencer as well, albeit a simple one. are you using JACK? it should do this.. -- f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 03:14:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77C393BEF8; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ad101c6ccab$9dc97f60$f4b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Brackenburg VST Tube Amp Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:14:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0ACE_01C6CC79.525DB5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:14:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0ACE_01C6CC79.525DB5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For you guitar loopers, I just found a new VST tube amp by Florida Music = called Brackenbury Tube Amp. I'm very impressed with it so far. I have = been comparing it A-B with the Voxengo Tube Amp VST, and they are = different, but the Brackenbury has a nice tone too...great for jazz and = blues. Try it out...apparently, they are offering it for free for a limited = time, but of course I read that posted in Feb of 2005: http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Brackenbury/ Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung / Improvisational Looping Guitar www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung My Tribe: http://people.tribe.net/krispen-hartung=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography (CDs for only $5): http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0ACE_01C6CC79.525DB5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For you guitar loopers, I just found a = new VST tube=20 amp by Florida Music called Brackenbury Tube Amp. I'm very impressed = with it so=20 far. I have been comparing it A-B with the Voxengo Tube Amp VST, and = they are=20 different, but the Brackenbury has a nice tone too...great for jazz and=20 blues.
 
Try it out...apparently, they are = offering it for=20 free for a limited time, but of course I read that posted in Feb of=20 2005:
 
http://www.hit= squad.com/smm/programs/Brackenbury/
 
Kris
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0ACE_01C6CC79.525DB5A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 04:37:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF9703BEF6; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:37:38 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers Delight Subject: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download Message-ID: <5DA3836C774D3BBB44D116C3@[192.168.1.104]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <-1LRPC.A.psE.dem9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Bill Walker was kind enough share a recording of him using the Looperlative LP1. At his request, I have placed the recording on the web and it may be downloaded at http://www.looperlative.com/media/BillWalkerLPno2.mp3 I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 06:21:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231933BEE6; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iF4teA99BV3zyY5f4DN/2rrbN/nDLJfP6+R0HZYff0Sg669TsEobajLCLJ4bm4tXK9cEgL5vBsu1n9m4Fg/Swcah1XPXhqoN3O8BgVfJWdvwu96RErr45W3OI1sifc2qXFzI1phPa2ErEFu+aW1DGMZ796nmc2zQYXuazfivjvI= ; Message-ID: <20060831062131.44595.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download To: Bob Amstadt , Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <5DA3836C774D3BBB44D116C3@[192.168.1.104]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:21:34 +0000 (UTC) This is beautiful! Bill can you develop a bit on how it was done?was it done live or did u edit it? I want one!! Luis --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > Bill Walker was kind enough share a recording of him > using the Looperlative > LP1. At his request, I have placed the recording on > the web and it may be > downloaded at > http://www.looperlative.com/media/BillWalkerLPno2.mp3 > > I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do. > > --- > Bob Amstadt > http://www.looperlative.com > http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 06:43:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F273BEF0; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F684E8.1010602@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:42:48 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download References: <5DA3836C774D3BBB44D116C3@[192.168.1.104]> In-Reply-To: <5DA3836C774D3BBB44D116C3@[192.168.1.104]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Great stuff!...I'd love to see a bit of explanation about all that was going on, how the LP1 was controlled, etc. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Bill Walker was kind enough share a recording of him using the > Looperlative LP1. At his request, I have placed the recording on the > web and it may be downloaded at > http://www.looperlative.com/media/BillWalkerLPno2.mp3 > > I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do. > > --- > Bob Amstadt > http://www.looperlative.com > http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 10:21:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4E033BEF8; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 06:09:41 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <44F563E5.8070906@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:21:17 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Klaus Schulze and his recent reissed work on Revisited Records. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dreams." The Vinyl Starter will come from the LP "Shadows of Light" by the Nightcrawlers on Synkronos Records and released in 1987. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2006/focus.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. WDIY now simulcasts on WXLV on 90.3 FM in Schnecksville, Pennsylvania. All times are EDT / GMT-4. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 11:36:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C45B63BEF9; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:36:51 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <000e01c6ccb2$3947f560$6401a8c0@n4q1r2> Message-ID: <20060831113651.150250@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000e01c6ccb2$3947f560$6401a8c0@n4q1r2> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs electrix repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Daniel there have been various discussions on that in this forum, you might want to search for it. You can find the essentials here: http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php If you want to midi sync, time shift etc., the Repeater might be a better choice. The good thing about the RC-50 is that you have everything in a nice pedal unit with 3 stereo loops - and you can get it in a shop. ;-) I guess it depends on what you need. Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 11:39:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91623BF02; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:39:20 +0200 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <04640fe7e641bfe7d3d0cad119dbf622@pfmentum.com> Message-ID: <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <04640fe7e641bfe7d3d0cad119dbf622@pfmentum.com> Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:39:21 +0000 (UTC) What about SooperLooper?` @Jeff: is your 8-tracker also Universal Binary (intel mac)? Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 15:00:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C84DD3BEE6; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:38:33 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: LEDs for amp channel switching To: Charles Zwicky , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006401c6cd0e$68a1aca0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:00:22 +0000 (UTC) > Are these latching or momentary switches? Latching. Big humongoid chrome-plated latching stomp switches. The kind that give off a moderate "click" when you step on them, and you can feel it click in your foot bones. The old Fender-style "reverb and vibrato" type switches. > >Hi Crew- > > This is way OT, but I'll bet one of you loopers just might be the DIY > >brainiac to solve my problem. > > > >I just purchased a Carvin V3 amp head - great sounding 100-watt EL34 > >monster, by the way - but the channel-switching footswitch has no LEDs on > >it. There are three channels plus a "boost" function, and all four > >footswitches are simple SPDT switches with one lug unused. I figure it would > >be fairly easy to swap the SPDTs for DPDTs or, if necessary, those groovy > >Fulltone triple-throw DT switches, drill holes in the switch housing, add > >LEDs and a 9V battery, and I'd be rocking. > > > >The problem is, I can't find a schematic that would cause just one channel > >light to be on at a time. I'm boggled about how to wire it so that if, for > >example, I'm using Channel 1 and want to change to Channel 2, when I press > >switch #2 (for Channel 2), the LED for switch #1/Channel 1 goes off and the > >LED for switch #2/Channel 2 goes on. So among the three channels, only one > >LED can be on at a time. The 4th (boost) switch would remain on or off > >regardless of which channel is on (that one's easy). > > > > I spent about an hour the other night doing Google searches on all kinds > >of guitar and amp DIY sites, and I checked my Craig Anderton books, and I > >couldn't find anything for this other than to get into some kind of solid > >state switching chip, which I'd rather avoid. It SEEMS like it would be a > >simple enough circuit WITHOUT any chips or boards, but I don't do this kind > >of thing often enough to figure it out for myself. > > > >HELLLLLLLPPPPP! > > > >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > >www.thecoyote.org > >coyotelk@optonline.net > > > >"Life! Life! > >Clouds and clowns! > >You don't have to come down!" > >- Sly and the Family Stone > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 16:29:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFEFF3BEFB; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> References: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <04640fe7e641bfe7d3d0cad119dbf622@pfmentum.com> <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:14:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112081f0db369520e757917bc077296d59082970defb087dcddc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone have any advice on setting up sooper=20 looper with a midi foot control? It seems to have=20 such great potential, but too aggravating to use=20 with a mouse... >What about SooperLooper?` > >@Jeff: is your 8-tracker also Universal Binary (intel mac)? >Buzap > >-- > > >Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! >Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer -- =2E.. http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 16:29:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 761353BF00; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006401c6cd0e$68a1aca0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <006401c6cd0e$68a1aca0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:26:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: LEDs for amp channel switching Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112081f0db369520e757917bc077296d5908cf95ade425640aa8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Is this the "FS44" you are using? Are the switches unique for each selection or are they set up as A/B switches? when you switch from channel one to channel two do you need to deselect channel one? I think that if you were to arrange the LEDs in series and use a diode matrix to determine which LED was lit for which combination you could get it working > > Are these latching or momentary switches? > >Latching. Big humongoid chrome-plated latching stomp switches. The kind that >give off a moderate "click" when you step on them, and you can feel it click >in your foot bones. The old Fender-style "reverb and vibrato" type switches. > >> >Hi Crew- >> > This is way OT, but I'll bet one of you loopers just might be the >DIY >> >brainiac to solve my problem. >> > >> >I just purchased a Carvin V3 amp head - great sounding 100-watt EL34 >> >monster, by the way - but the channel-switching footswitch has no LEDs on >> >it. There are three channels plus a "boost" function, and all four >> >footswitches are simple SPDT switches with one lug unused. I figure it >would >> >be fairly easy to swap the SPDTs for DPDTs or, if necessary, those groovy >> >Fulltone triple-throw DT switches, drill holes in the switch housing, add >> >LEDs and a 9V battery, and I'd be rocking. >> > >> >The problem is, I can't find a schematic that would cause just one >channel >> >light to be on at a time. I'm boggled about how to wire it so that if, >for >> >example, I'm using Channel 1 and want to change to Channel 2, when I >press >> >switch #2 (for Channel 2), the LED for switch #1/Channel 1 goes off and >the >> >LED for switch #2/Channel 2 goes on. So among the three channels, only >one >> >LED can be on at a time. The 4th (boost) switch would remain on or off >> >regardless of which channel is on (that one's easy). >> > >> > I spent about an hour the other night doing Google searches on all >kinds >> >of guitar and amp DIY sites, and I checked my Craig Anderton books, and I >> >couldn't find anything for this other than to get into some kind of solid >> >state switching chip, which I'd rather avoid. It SEEMS like it would be a >> >simple enough circuit WITHOUT any chips or boards, but I don't do this >kind >> >of thing often enough to figure it out for myself. >> > >> >HELLLLLLLPPPPP! >> > >> >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large >> >www.thecoyote.org >> >coyotelk@optonline.net >> > >> >"Life! Life! >> >Clouds and clowns! >> >You don't have to come down!" >> >- Sly and the Family Stone >> >> >> -- >> ... >> http://www.zmix.net >> -- ... http://www.zmix.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 16:50:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF01F3BEFE; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Re/hPOI0Unk0ZkZlIGAQVqt0CdeXcLHQLeJM6y6LXULCDfwr1VXqAv+uNP3l0WMoitcWB9dAI/6zz6YU0y79Hrqh1G7D4zXDokoETFPsZcjAilxafbslnF8FyNis5DgaPDD+M2EfWD8EFUfSuOj53RNParozzQ5bmHjgwzXl/xw= ; Message-ID: <20060831165055.7794.qmail@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:50:55 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <34V8fC.A.hAC.wNx9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Sooperlooper would be perfect... if I could only get it to work. When after messing with it for hours I got it working, I wept sweet sweet tears of joy. It never happened again. I had to cut my losses and move on. --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > What about SooperLooper?` > > @Jeff: is your 8-tracker also Universal Binary > (intel mac)? > Buzap > > -- > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer > Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 16:57:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C694D3BF0C; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> References: <20060830194333.64374.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <04640fe7e641bfe7d3d0cad119dbf622@pfmentum.com> <20060831113920.97770@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <38cadca32f7a6713ff26d7cbf0fd8a32@pfmentum.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jeff Kaiser Subject: Re: Will Cycling 74 create a basic host synced MIDI looper? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:57:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:57:59 +0000 (UTC) It will be, but is not now.....I don't own a macintel yet....but will=20 be getting one. Jeff Kaiser http://www.JeffKaiser.com pfMENTUM.com =95 AngryVegan.com On Aug 31, 2006, at 4:39 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > What about SooperLooper?` > > @Jeff: is your 8-tracker also Universal Binary (intel mac)? > Buzap > > --=20 > > > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 18:42:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6A053BF06; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:42:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20060831062131.44595.qmail@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Hey thanks for the kind words, my Peeps. The improvisation you heard was done in real time, without edits or pre-records. I started by creating a simple rubato melodic theme, I then changed the record speed to half speed which dropped the loop down an octave and then I reversed the track. then I applied the fast shuffle mode to the loop which created the sequenced sounding bass part. Subsequent tracks I added where mostly of an ambient nature, but I continued to make liberal use of the different record speeds, reverse function, replace function and the shuffle mode, not to mention bringing tracks in and out via expression controlled volume fades. in addition to the LP-1, I used a DL-4 for the auto-volume effect, a Seymour Duncan twin tube for overdrive effects, and a vox tonelab for amp sounds and some secondary delay effects. I believe I had 4 or 5 independent tracks going by the end. Major Kudos to Steve Lawson who suggested the scramble function to Bob, which I used in a pretty inside way, but has great potential for glitchy weirdness, and most major kudos for Bob, for continuing to come up with new features for this remarkable tool. For guys like me who are not ready to commit to a software solution, this is as good as it gets. Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:22 PM To: Bob Amstadt; Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download This is beautiful! Bill can you develop a bit on how it was done?was it done live or did u edit it? I want one!! Luis --- Bob Amstadt wrote: > Bill Walker was kind enough share a recording of him > using the Looperlative > LP1. At his request, I have placed the recording on > the web and it may be > downloaded at > http://www.looperlative.com/media/BillWalkerLPno2.mp3 > > I hope you all enjoy it as much as I do. > > --- > Bob Amstadt > http://www.looperlative.com > http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 18:57:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 812573BF11; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F730F6.6080007@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:56:54 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4AycJB.A.vWH.DEz9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:08 +0000 (UTC) thanks, Bill, fascinating stuff. Just one question - is the "shuffle" mode the same as the "scramble" mode you mention below? Also, is it possible to sync the rate of the shuffle, or control it via MIDI? I'm a long way away from doing anything with sync (or MIDI for that matter), but I'm curious, it seems like it'd be especially useful if that were possible. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hey thanks for the kind words, my Peeps. The improvisation you heard was > done in real time, without edits or pre-records. I started by creating a > simple rubato melodic theme, I then changed the record speed to half speed > which dropped the loop down an octave and then I reversed the track. then I > applied the fast shuffle mode to the loop which created the sequenced > sounding bass part. Subsequent tracks I added where mostly of an ambient > nature, but I continued to make liberal use of the different record speeds, > reverse function, replace function and the shuffle mode, not to mention > bringing tracks in and out via expression controlled volume fades. in > addition to the LP-1, I used a DL-4 for the auto-volume effect, a Seymour > Duncan twin tube for overdrive effects, and a vox tonelab for amp sounds and > some secondary delay effects. I believe I had 4 or 5 independent tracks > going by the end. Major Kudos to Steve Lawson who suggested the scramble > function to Bob, which I used in a pretty inside way, but has great > potential for glitchy weirdness, and most major kudos for Bob, for > continuing to come up with new features for this remarkable tool. For guys > like me who are not ready to commit to a software solution, this is as good > as it gets. > > Thanks, > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:11:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 424423BF17; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:11:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <44F730F6.6080007@mhorse.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6_oMAD.A.l9H.GRz9EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Oops, my bad I meant to say scamble. There are three scramble mode speeds, and I can't really answer your question as I haven't tried slaving or clocking via midi with the LP-1 yet. I personally have been moving away from performing with a bunch of midi stuff all clocked together, but I will be running some tests in the next few weeks to check out the LP-1 with my roland drum machine. Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download thanks, Bill, fascinating stuff. Just one question - is the "shuffle" mode the same as the "scramble" mode you mention below? Also, is it possible to sync the rate of the shuffle, or control it via MIDI? I'm a long way away from doing anything with sync (or MIDI for that matter), but I'm curious, it seems like it'd be especially useful if that were possible. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > Hey thanks for the kind words, my Peeps. The improvisation you heard was > done in real time, without edits or pre-records. I started by creating a > simple rubato melodic theme, I then changed the record speed to half speed > which dropped the loop down an octave and then I reversed the track. then I > applied the fast shuffle mode to the loop which created the sequenced > sounding bass part. Subsequent tracks I added where mostly of an ambient > nature, but I continued to make liberal use of the different record speeds, > reverse function, replace function and the shuffle mode, not to mention > bringing tracks in and out via expression controlled volume fades. in > addition to the LP-1, I used a DL-4 for the auto-volume effect, a Seymour > Duncan twin tube for overdrive effects, and a vox tonelab for amp sounds and > some secondary delay effects. I believe I had 4 or 5 independent tracks > going by the end. Major Kudos to Steve Lawson who suggested the scramble > function to Bob, which I used in a pretty inside way, but has great > potential for glitchy weirdness, and most major kudos for Bob, for > continuing to come up with new features for this remarkable tool. For guys > like me who are not ready to commit to a software solution, this is as good > as it gets. > > Thanks, > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:16:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5DCF3BF17; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:16:21 EDT Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c27.2c4f8b1.32288f85_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:16:30 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c27.2c4f8b1.32288f85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 8/31/06 2:43:08 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: > Hey thanks for the kind words, my Peeps.=A0 >=20 speaking of words young bill.....why not do a voiceover on your tune so we=20 can get the skinny as we listen.....great idea no ?.....i wish you had used=20= just=20 the looerlative though, bringing in dl-4s and wamframawammers just confused=20 me as to what was doing what.....wasn't that a cover of a BRENHARDS tune? on= e=20 of their LUV SONGS?.....nice.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 --part1_c27.2c4f8b1.32288f85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/31/06 2:43:08 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes:


Hey thanks for the ki= nd words, my Peeps.=A0


speaking of words young bill.....why not do a voiceover on your tune so w= e can get the skinny as we listen.....great idea no ?.....i wish you had use= d just the looerlative though, bringing in dl-4s and wamframawammers just co= nfused me as to what was doing what.....wasn't that a cover of a BRENHARDS t= une? one of their LUV SONGS?.....nice.....:)m



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--part1_c27.2c4f8b1.32288f85_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:29:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5B4D3BF21; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F7386F.7000204@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:28:47 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040608010404010108070306" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:29:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040608010404010108070306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey, I think tomorrow's the LD anniversary, no? Still time to get loops up on Krispen's page (http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm)! How 'bout a "dry" 30-second sample, Bill? (or anyone else still not represented?) The thought of voiceovers makes me think of "Tubular Bells"..."and now...half-speed...REVERSE!" Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com > > speaking of words young bill.....why not do a voiceover on your tune > so we can get the skinny as we listen.....great idea no ?.....i wish > you had used just the looerlative though, bringing in dl-4s and > wamframawammers just confused me as to what was doing what.....wasn't > that a cover of a BRENHARDS tune? one of their LUV SONGS?.....nice.....:)m --------------040608010404010108070306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey, I think tomorrow's the LD anniversary, no? Still time to get loops up on Krispen's page (http://www.krispenhartung.com/LoopersDelight10Year.htm)! How 'bout a "dry" 30-second sample, Bill? (or anyone else still not represented?)

The thought of voiceovers makes me think of "Tubular Bells"..."and now...half-speed...REVERSE!"

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com


speaking of words young bill.....why not do a voiceover on your tune so we can get the skinny as we listen.....great idea no ?.....i wish you had used just the looerlative though, bringing in dl-4s and wamframawammers just confused me as to what was doing what.....wasn't that a cover of a BRENHARDS tune? one of their LUV SONGS?.....nice.....:)m

--------------040608010404010108070306-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:32:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5CCF3BF27; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004301c6cd34$3f622d30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:32:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:32:47 +0000 (UTC) God, Bill, this is just a beautiful track! Damn, I've played with you on and off for almost thirty years and you keep blowing my mind. Really amazing stuff. I've had it playing over and over as I do my e-mail today. I just got my looperlative back with the new software and can't wait to try out the incredible scramble function. Thanks for posting this. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:43:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBC7D3BF2E; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SmartMax-AuthUser: mark@markfrancombe.com Message-ID: <007f01c6cd35$b2542ea0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: References: <007501c6cbdf$def8a320$6700a8c0@mincer> Subject: Re: EDP Feedback control via FCB1010 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:43:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:43:25 +0000 (UTC) ----- >I have been using the FCB's expression pedal to control the EDP's = feedback > for years. Due to the stupidly designed Exp pedal which can only be=20 > assigned > to 1 midi channel, I have dedicated one of the Exp pedals specifically = for > the feedback control. > This has always worked great, but I can't use that pedal for anything=20 > else, > unless it is on the same midi channel. There seems to be a bit of confusion about the FCB and only being on ONE = midi channel.. this isnt strictly true. If you look down you will see = that=20 you actually have TWO pedals, an A pedal and a B pedal. HOORAY! Now... it IS silly that you cant set a midi channel in each patch you=20 have... BUT you can set a differnt midi channel to EACH TYPE OF PEDAL=20 PARAMETER under your feet. SO... you have 5 possible Prog change messages you can send... if you go = into global mode you set here what PROG1 will send on and PROG2 will = send=20 on... and so on. In the same way you can (I think... to be honest I havent done it = myself)=20 set EXP1 to work on midi channel X and EXP2 to work on midi channel Y... = It=20 all a matter of going into the global mode and setting it up... Then = you=20 can use 1 pedal for feedback and one for ummm... midi contrlolled air to = gas=20 mix on miked-up gas welder! ka-booom! Having been so helpful... um... can you tell me exactly how you get = feedback=20 under midi controll in the first place... I tried but gave up!!! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org=20 and works at www.transformlearning.com=20 ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 779 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:45:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43F93BF15; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <44F73C59.7080307@infinivert.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:45:29 -0500 From: Joshua Carroll User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download References: <004301c6cd34$3f622d30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <004301c6cd34$3f622d30$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0635-3, 08/31/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:45:43 +0000 (UTC) I've also been playing it over and over! Very nice. Very inspirational. Thanks! --Josh loop.pool wrote: > God, Bill, this is just a beautiful track! > Damn, I've played with you on and off for almost thirty years and you > keep blowing my mind. Really amazing stuff. > I've had it playing over and over as I do my e-mail today. > > I just got my looperlative back with the new software and can't wait > to try out the incredible scramble function. > > Thanks for posting this. > > Rick > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 19:54:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E56573BF38; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:54:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C6CCFC.A9791EF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C6CCFC.A9791EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will do a voiceover as long as I can do it as either Christopher Walkin, "Explore the space... I need to hear...More Scramble!" or William Shatner. "Now He's........Recording........In HalfSpeed....... Scooty....Do....Something.... Beforeits...Too.Late..." -----Original Message----- ... From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:16 PM To: billwalker@baymoon.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download In a message dated 8/31/06 2:43:08 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: Hey thanks for the kind words, my Peeps. speaking of words young bill.....why not do a voiceover on your tune so we can get the skinny as we listen.....great idea no ?.....i wish you had used just the looerlative though, bringing in dl-4s and wamframawammers just confused me as to what was doing what.....wasn't that a cover of a BRENHARDS tune? one of their LUV SONGS?.....nice.....:)m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C6CCFC.A9791EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will do a voiceover as long as I can do it as either = Christopher=20 Walkin,
 "Explore the space... I need to hear...More=20 Scramble!"
 
 or William Shatner.
"Now=20 He's........Recording........In HalfSpeed....... = Scooty....Do....Something....=20 Beforeits...Too.Late..."
-----Original Message----- ... 
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, = August=20 31, 2006 12:16 PM
To: billwalker@baymoon.com;=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Bill Walker = using=20 Looperlative recording available for = download


In a message dated 8/31/06 2:43:08 PM,=20 billwalker@baymoon.com writes:


Hey thanks for the kind words, my=20 Peeps. 


speaking of words young bill.....why not do a = voiceover on=20 your tune so we can get the skinny as we listen.....great idea no = ?.....i wish=20 you had used just the looerlative though, bringing in dl-4s and=20 wamframawammers just confused me as to what was doing what.....wasn't = that a=20 cover of a BRENHARDS tune? one of their LUV=20 = SONGS?.....nice.....:)m



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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C6CCFC.A9791EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 20:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BE9C3BF16; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:08:01 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: RC-50 First Time Experience To: Loopers Delight Mailing List Message-id: <44F5F021.4030606@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, I'm 255 messages behind! Today I played with an RC-50 in the local music store. First, I played with the sample patches to learn the basics of button and pedal pressing. I did some simple overdubs and all went OK. Then I started a patch with a couple of loops. The second one was put into one-shot. Somehow, I was never able to get Loop2 to que up and start playing after Loop1 ended. I could switch between loops, each loop starting instantly as its pedal was pressed. I was also able to get both loops to play at the same time (which sounded nasty!). But I never could get them to play in a serial manner. I read the manual and couldn't find the answer. What's the secret? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 20:29:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FACF3BF29; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:29:38 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: LEDs for amp channel switching To: Charles Zwicky , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007e01c6cd3c$4e7bb5e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:29:01 +0000 (UTC) > Is this the "FS44" you are using? Yup. > Are the switches unique for each selection or are they set up as A/B switches? I believe they're unique for each selection, with some kind of logic circuit in the head doing the actual routing. > when you switch from channel one to channel two do you need to > deselect channel one? No. I just stomp on the appropriate switch and the channel switches. Two stomps for a change of channel would be pretty unergonomic. Or maybe the word is "dumb." > I think that if you were to arrange the LEDs in series and use a > diode matrix to determine which LED was lit for which combination you > could get it working If you say so. Doesn't sound too hard. Got schematic? dB > > > Are these latching or momentary switches? > > > >Latching. Big humongoid chrome-plated latching stomp switches. The kind that > >give off a moderate "click" when you step on them, and you can feel it click > >in your foot bones. The old Fender-style "reverb and vibrato" type switches. > > > >> >Hi Crew- > >> > This is way OT, but I'll bet one of you loopers just might be the > >DIY > >> >brainiac to solve my problem. > >> > > >> >I just purchased a Carvin V3 amp head - great sounding 100-watt EL34 > >> >monster, by the way - but the channel-switching footswitch has no LEDs on > >> >it. There are three channels plus a "boost" function, and all four > >> >footswitches are simple SPDT switches with one lug unused. I figure it > >would > >> >be fairly easy to swap the SPDTs for DPDTs or, if necessary, those groovy > >> >Fulltone triple-throw DT switches, drill holes in the switch housing, add > >> >LEDs and a 9V battery, and I'd be rocking. > >> > > >> >The problem is, I can't find a schematic that would cause just one > >channel > >> >light to be on at a time. I'm boggled about how to wire it so that if, > >for > >> >example, I'm using Channel 1 and want to change to Channel 2, when I > >press > >> >switch #2 (for Channel 2), the LED for switch #1/Channel 1 goes off and > >the > >> >LED for switch #2/Channel 2 goes on. So among the three channels, only > >one > >> >LED can be on at a time. The 4th (boost) switch would remain on or off > >> >regardless of which channel is on (that one's easy). > >> > > >> > I spent about an hour the other night doing Google searches on all > >kinds > >> >of guitar and amp DIY sites, and I checked my Craig Anderton books, and I > >> >couldn't find anything for this other than to get into some kind of solid > >> >state switching chip, which I'd rather avoid. It SEEMS like it would be a > >> >simple enough circuit WITHOUT any chips or boards, but I don't do this > >kind > >> >of thing often enough to figure it out for myself. > >> > > >> >HELLLLLLLPPPPP! > >> > > >> >Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > >> >www.thecoyote.org > >> >coyotelk@optonline.net > >> > > >> >"Life! Life! > >> >Clouds and clowns! > >> >You don't have to come down!" > >> >- Sly and the Family Stone > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ... > >> http://www.zmix.net > >> > > > -- > ... > http://www.zmix.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 20:51:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E23B3BF30; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007e01c6cd3c$4e7bb5e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <007e01c6cd3c$4e7bb5e0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:50:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Charles Zwicky Subject: Re: OT: LEDs for amp channel switching Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1055065039==_ma============" X-ELNK-Trace: e070562f4b6af5994d2b10475b57112081f0db369520e757df09f0ea2ab9a91561842b8767f10ff2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.166.233 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:51:01 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1055065039==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >> Are the switches unique for each selection or are they set up as A/B >switches? >I believe they're unique for each selection, with some kind of logic circuit >in the head doing the actual routing. Have you measured if there are voltages present? > > when you switch from channel one to channel two do you need to >> deselect channel one? >No. I just stomp on the appropriate switch and the channel switches. Two >stomps for a change of channel would be pretty unergonomic. Or maybe the >word is "dumb." Then these are likely to be momentary switches.... > >> I think that if you were to arrange the LEDs in series and use a >> diode matrix to determine which LED was lit for which combination you >> could get it working >If you say so. Doesn't sound too hard. Got schematic? >dB I recommend that you contact carvin's tech support. -- ... http://www.zmix.net --============_-1055065039==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: OT: LEDs for amp channel switching

> Are the switches unique for each selection or are they set up as A/B
switches?
I believe they're unique for each selection, with some kind of logic circuit
in the head doing the actual routing.

Have you measured if there are voltages present?


>   when you switch from channel one to channel two do you need to
> deselect channel one?
No. I just stomp on the appropriate switch and the channel switches. Two
stomps for a change of channel would be pretty unergonomic. Or maybe the
word is "dumb."

Then these are likely to be momentary switches....




> I think that if you were to arrange the LEDs in series and use a
> diode matrix to determine which LED was lit for which combination you
> could get it working
If you say so. Doesn't sound too hard. Got schematic?
dB



I recommend that you contact carvin's tech support.


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--============_-1055065039==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FA8D3BF2C; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:24:57 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt Reply-To: Bob Amstadt To: Daryl Shawn , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bill Walker using Looperlative recording available for download Message-ID: <5531FEF79D2CEF4239906358@[192.168.1.104]> In-Reply-To: <44F730F6.6080007@mhorse.com> References: <44F730F6.6080007@mhorse.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <7fsZ0.A.BpB.NH29EB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) > Also, is it possible to sync the rate of the shuffle, or control it via > MIDI? At the moment, no, the size of the chunks are one of 3 fixed sizes in time. There are fast, medium and slow scrambles where the chunk sizes are 100 milliseconds, 400 milliseconds, and 1.6 seconds. I anticipate that there will be other options in the future. Like software products for your computer, new software can be downloaded to the LP1 through the network port. --- Bob Amstadt http://www.looperlative.com http://www.cafepress.com/loopystuff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 31 23:00:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3BBD3BF1B; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <928D3B07-2766-4A42-8654-D17665FD78A8@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-516853874 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Bill's looperlative tune Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:59:56 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:00:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-27-516853874 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Gorgeous stuff Bill - great work, sir! ...and I will reply to your other email as soon as I can. :o) Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-27-516853874 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Gorgeous stuff Bill - great = work, sir!=A0

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