From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 02:39:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAA183BF3D; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 02:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qphxnilI3nrVFYsGa9hOCApTpeLnPibIyDIc7qlEvL/VrPu5RFk8Sn3Cf4VqGHEOhaGiA+Kbkulf6ND+RFWj8GvEKbnbl1FLlfURzX3lr0YEK5qg1+6KLK+blQXvB57jT+sQnsEYMupr9Eg2ik6rFmmeb41TbQq9hs4px8BJ72w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sm+85rCmSMb/NBR77x2XWsFHDwcw9zc6+WcRaKL1P1hz7fV8BLfJdOuI/QjCtmgoupkVdsGmpIbDFL229sVcCPEqIbNAubCLMNMb1QEn50a7IRaxFy/lFPalG6Rva54bbkgpMQR2zkDzeptgWJvvxqAHVBmD/VBOvmU+Ucv6Bxc= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:39:55 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ZAPPA In-Reply-To: <000601c7b902$d5d68f30$738ea643@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6326_13824248.1183257595595" References: <000601c7b902$d5d68f30$738ea643@gwdesk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 02:39:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6326_13824248.1183257595595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline do you like my new car? ------=_Part_6326_13824248.1183257595595 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline do you like my new car?
------=_Part_6326_13824248.1183257595595-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 03:00:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAEEF3BF3B; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=orp5RJMGyntMFmdlbXBhvXH2e0dOVh3U72RGGVvT3gKhhxEmPnhyUFB3lxk3pbxesM6o2/LXfXJtl1AOofdczElrVKjaQBM7FnHfkN/KKVhayP/qqIjTtP66L8V+sOL/LuUg1t+0U9nHH8NQbEcVTphOKP1FJFkKdVDS2ddoWc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MjQXtsLkAV9XZKF10xUxBGjcZPmrRBX2tPgFKkoLJH1SQuM+EKuGNTj4LmtPZ5P8NiyjtRO5/sYZ5B2V30a/0Dd/nx66EivHMC10LtHZpb7thEqGFGZaX8oPocBId3+VpbYCjkRsOQG+9PgAWmr98CVzJe8Zx33d2LEe157/MGk= Message-ID: <4759e5740706302000k4162500fgd54bf73180885fdf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:00:47 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Pre-Loop/Post-Loop Effect Feature of my MAX Looper In-Reply-To: <0ce001c7bad8$bf02c300$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4716_20253727.1183258847973" References: <20070629145262.SM06436@quahome> <0c4801c7bac7$a30d8920$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4759e5740706292202v6f2b4fb1i888a33b27813a09e@mail.gmail.com> <0cd001c7bad6$ed02cd60$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0ce001c7bad8$bf02c300$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 03:00:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4716_20253727.1183258847973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and it DID... together with the universal access screen zoom, it is totally seeable. thanks, Kris. nice work you've done here. t. On 6/30/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Here is a bigger version of my system screen capture, in edit mode. This > should help. > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear/max-inside-large.gif > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I know, I just can't seem to get a decent screen capture of my system, > without the graphics program on my other computer. I have to rely on the > windows screen capture function (alt prt screen, saved to tiff, and then > exported to jpg. It's damn frustrating. I have an idea, though. I'll save > bigger files behind the web versions, that open up in your entire screen. > > Anyway, yes, I keep my gain structure consistent from patch to patch by > inserting level control in each one, ensuring that each patch activated is > consistent with the initial input level of the signal chain (right after > adc~). It took me a while to fine tune it. Also, the beauty of the system > is all those patches at the top level are really patches containing the > poly~ object, and they in turn reference the actual effect patches. Hence, > when I deactivate the a poly patch, it removes the effect patch it from my > signal chain and has no drain on CPU. Very slick trick, thanks to Jeff > Kaiser. > > I may eventually revamp my system using matrix and adding the ability to > put patches in serial or parallel, but it's not a high priority right now. I > actually like my patches in serial, because I can do some outrageous > stacking of effects to produce totally monstrous sounds. :) > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 11:02 PM > *Subject:* Re: New Pre-Loop/Post-Loop Effect Feature of my MAX Looper > > totally cool, krispen, but BOY is it hard to see at that resolution. even > after downloading and magnifying! > > i am particularly interested in seeing how you work your gain > structure... all of those effects must mount up. after chaining... but > probably that's the part i can't see well. > > all best, > todd > > > On 6/29/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > FYI, if you want to see under the hood of my max system, here is the > > image, with all the objects shown, the wiring, etc. > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear/max-inside.jpg > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > I added a really useful and fun component to my MAX/MSP looping rig, > > and wanted to see if anyone else was doing the same with your systems. > > > > Basically, I added some signal re-routing code so that with a click of a > > button, the sound in my looper's buffer is re-routed back into my effect > > signal chain, so that I can do post-loop signal processing and > > manipulation. For example, let's say I lay down a few loops with some basic > > effects. I hit the re-route button, set my instrument down, and then I can > > just sit back and use my effects as instruments to manipulate the loop > > output, playing with parameters with my MIDI controller pedals, etc. I can > > also continue adding loops (effected loops of the original loops), or loop > > my live voice or instrument at the same time. I also added a section in my > > rig so that I can add any recorded wav file to my mix with a click of a > > button. > > > > Anyway, I'm having loads of fun with the changes to my system, > > especially with be able to play wav files. I can record a catalogue of wav > > files with my uneffected voice or instrument, and then use it a raw content > > for looping fun on the airplane, hotel room, etc. > > > > Here's how the system looks now. > > http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear/max-map.jpg > > > > Kris > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > > Krispen Hartung > > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_4716_20253727.1183258847973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and it DID... together with the universal access screen zoom, it is totally seeable.  thanks, Kris.

nice work you've done here.

t.


On 6/30/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Here is a bigger version of my system screen capture, in edit mode. This should help.
 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

I know, I just can't seem to get a decent screen capture of my system, without the graphics program on my other computer. I have to rely on the windows screen capture function (alt prt screen, saved to tiff, and then exported to jpg. It's damn frustrating. I have an idea, though. I'll save bigger files behind the web versions, that open up in your entire screen.
 
Anyway, yes, I keep my gain structure consistent from patch to patch by inserting level control in each one, ensuring that each patch activated is consistent with the initial input level of the signal chain (right after adc~).  It took me a while to fine tune it. Also, the beauty of the system is all those patches at the top level are really patches containing the poly~ object, and they in turn reference the actual effect patches. Hence, when I deactivate the a poly patch, it removes the effect patch it from my signal chain and has no drain on CPU. Very slick trick, thanks to Jeff Kaiser.
 
I may eventually revamp my system using matrix and adding the ability to put patches in serial or parallel, but it's not a high priority right now. I actually like my patches in serial, because I can do some outrageous stacking of effects to produce totally monstrous sounds. :)
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: New Pre-Loop/Post-Loop Effect Feature of my MAX Looper

totally cool, krispen, but BOY is it hard to see at that resolution.  even after downloading and magnifying!

i am particularly interested in seeing how you work your gain structure...  all of those effects must mount up. after chaining... but probably that's the part i can't see well.

all best,
todd


On 6/29/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
FYI, if you want to see under the hood of my max system, here is the image, with all the objects shown, the wiring, etc.

Kris

 



I added a really useful and fun component to my MAX/MSP looping rig, and wanted to see if anyone else was doing the same with your systems.

Basically, I added some signal re-routing code so that with a click of a button, the sound in my looper's buffer is re-routed back into my effect signal chain, so that I can do post-loop signal processing and manipulation.  For example, let's say I lay down a few loops with some basic effects. I hit the re-route button, set my instrument down, and then I can just sit back and use my effects as instruments to manipulate the loop output, playing with parameters with my MIDI controller pedals, etc.  I can also continue adding loops (effected loops of the original loops), or loop my live voice or instrument at the same time. I also added a section in my rig so that I can add any recorded wav file to my mix with a click of a button.
 
Anyway, I'm having loads of fun with the changes to my system, especially with be able to play wav files. I can record a catalogue of wav files with my uneffected voice or instrument, and then use it a raw content for looping fun on the airplane, hotel room, etc.
 
Here's how the system looks now.
 
Kris
 
**************************************************************************
Krispen Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung



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http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic   |:
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917.576.6166                                              
todd@toddreynolds.com
toddreyn@gmail.com



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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_4716_20253727.1183258847973-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 05:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 462863BF36; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 05:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-950338524 Message-Id: <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 01:41:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 05:41:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-950338524 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Trust yourself. Develop a theme. Focus on execution. Hang in there. Regards, Jim Richmond On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Hi - > > I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've > fallen > into patterns. I'd like to try something different. > > Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some > concepts or > strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > > David --Apple-Mail-1-950338524 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Trust yourself.
Develop a = theme.
Focus on execution.
Hang in = there.

Regards,=A0

Jim Richmond


On Jun 30, = 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

Hi -


I'm going into studio next weekend to record.=A0 Over the years I've = fallen

into = patterns.=A0 I'd like to = try something different.


Past efforts can be heard = here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic=


And this is a great community for sharing ideas.=A0 What are some concepts = or

strategies you've used to break out of your = patterns?


Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


David


= --Apple-Mail-1-950338524-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 08:07:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA0153BF40; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+RL1JIy5yRK+KlArHumpdjbEcr+/Ej3zf4jhzcKC fRgjAv0d71XwUc Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <0c00fde8c34a73f514caaa7e1820f15a@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:07:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi David I suggest you use a different tuning, e.g. new standard tuning (see=20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Standard_Tuning). Keep us posted about=20= the results. Best regards from Switzerland Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni Am 01.07.2007 um 07:41 schrieb James Richmond: > Trust yourself. > Develop a theme. > Focus on execution. > Hang in there. > > Regards,=A0 > > Jim Richmond > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've=20 >> fallen >> into patterns. I'd like to try something different. >> >> Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic >> >> And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some=20 >> concepts or >> strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? >> >> Thanks in advance for your thoughts. >> >> David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 10:39:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591033BF3D; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:36:22 +0100 From: Bart Lyons Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP In-reply-to: <46601518.5060807@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9PlYlzb7b8O4WH3gmsa/hg)" References: <46601518.5060807@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:39:05 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_9PlYlzb7b8O4WH3gmsa/hg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Link to my studio set-up. I know rather untidy. The heart of the set-up two Gibson EDP's linked for stereo operation. Until yesterday running out sequence (out of time) Thanks to the excellent knowledge base on Loopers Delight now working perfectly in time. The EDP's are connected to the Mackie LM-32 line mixer on the stereo AUX channel. Fender Acoustic Guitar through Yamaha acoustic stomp pedal (excellent) - Line DL4 - Line DM4 - Lexicon Vortex - Mackie LM-32 - BBE-362 Sonic Maximizer (very best buy ever) - Yamaha Power Amp - HZ Speaker Set-up. Also use a Fender Strat currently being fitted with Ghost Hex PIck-up system for Midi control through the AXON-100 - Various This is the live set-up my luck (at my age) I'm only gigging two times a month as the studio is in the attic!!!!! http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?bandID=553007&conten t=pictures --Boundary_(ID_9PlYlzb7b8O4WH3gmsa/hg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Link to my studio set-up. I know rather untidy. The heart of the set-up two Gibson EDP's linked for stereo operation. Until yesterday running out sequence (out of time) Thanks to the excellent knowledge base on Loopers Delight now working perfectly in time. The EDP's are connected to the Mackie LM-32 line mixer on the stereo AUX channel. Fender Acoustic Guitar through Yamaha acoustic stomp pedal (excellent) - Line DL4 - Line DM4 - Lexicon Vortex - Mackie LM-32 - BBE-362 Sonic Maximizer (very best buy ever) - Yamaha Power Amp - HZ Speaker Set-up. Also use a Fender Strat currently being fitted with Ghost Hex PIck-up system for Midi control through the AXON-100 - Various

This is the live set-up my luck (at my age) I'm only gigging two times a month as the studio is in the attic!!!!!

http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?bandID=553007&content=pictures
--Boundary_(ID_9PlYlzb7b8O4WH3gmsa/hg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 11:32:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E060D3BF4D; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XqeqsUw4remxmqsNYjwVoRneK2qI1by28M+zoPUZsG2rhm8D+9qVVdKwbc/WhKq0fkdKMPzxSLYAaGN8GAZjlA/CaCzgJ4ORhSaOObKioNJ3kxOTjAmJl0V0OpMlHan4jGbUnsd/6cJF2S/iVN73wrwto33lxQS/YQJwJx9kMu4=; X-YMail-OSG: .5O7D2oVM1nv9GWJHRKC0iNRsQPhiMyKc5dkM5aPPTBpHNA_6GFfQPy4FtMHpa_d5ZToCaA9xOvMCx4UW6dqa2eUYoNjJduR083C7VtZc_nqjXyxk.XlbwoUR1U- Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:32:49 +0100 (BST) From: martin wilson Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2107620959-1183289569=:13687" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <897675.13687.qm@web23110.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:32:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-2107620959-1183289569=:13687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Epiphone Les Paul with bare knuckle cold sweat bridge and Wolftone custom wound neck p/up or Mexistrat with bare knuckle apache pick ups or hand built electric 5 string violin, or Tanglewood electro acoustic guitar-Big dots tuner-Dynacomp-crybaby-Metal muff nano-Boss Ds1-Bk Butler tube driver-Russian Big Muff- EH small stone reissue-vintage EH electric mistress-belcat analog delay-behringer digital delay- vintage black label Japan Boss cs2-Behringer EQ-Boss rc2 looper-ISP decimator noise killer- Customised Harley Bentone valve amp(similar to epi valve junior)-spirit fx16 mixer-novation ReMote 25 synth/ interface-Cubase. Plus Korg m1, Korg pa 60, emu proteus vintage keys, emu proteus 2000, zoom fx unit, ticket power supply,Tannoy reveal monitors, Samson power amp. J and C --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. --0-2107620959-1183289569=:13687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Epiphone Les Paul with bare knuckle cold sweat bridge and Wolftone custom wound neck p/up or Mexistrat with bare knuckle apache pick ups or hand built electric 5 string violin, or Tanglewood electro acoustic guitar-Big dots tuner-Dynacomp-crybaby-Metal muff nano-Boss Ds1-Bk Butler tube driver-Russian Big Muff- EH small stone reissue-vintage EH electric mistress-belcat analog delay-behringer digital delay- vintage black label Japan Boss cs2-Behringer EQ-Boss rc2 looper-ISP decimator noise killer- Customised Harley Bentone valve amp(similar to epi valve junior)-spirit fx16 mixer-novation ReMote 25 synth/ interface-Cubase.
Plus Korg m1, Korg pa 60, emu proteus vintage keys, emu proteus 2000, zoom fx unit, ticket power supply,Tannoy reveal monitors, Samson power amp.

J and C


Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. --0-2107620959-1183289569=:13687-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 13:36:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA293BF4F; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:37:06 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? To: Message-id: <000601c7bb80$55b85420$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> <0c00fde8c34a73f514caaa7e1820f15a@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Interesting idea. I've been using a non-standard tuning since July 1992. >From low strings: D-A-D-F-B-E. Returning to E-A-D-G-B-E is looking exciting and new to me. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico spahni" To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Hi David I suggest you use a different tuning, e.g. new standard tuning (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Standard_Tuning). Keep us posted about the results. Best regards from Switzerland Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni Am 01.07.2007 um 07:41 schrieb James Richmond: > Trust yourself. > Develop a theme. > Focus on execution. > Hang in there. > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've >> fallen >> into patterns. I'd like to try something different. >> >> Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic >> >> And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some >> concepts or >> strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? >> >> Thanks in advance for your thoughts. >> >> David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 13:38:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D9923BF51; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:39:04 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? To: Message-id: <000f01c7bb80$9c44a1a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7BB5F.14CE4C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:38:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7BB5F.14CE4C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is wise advice. Especially as during recording I tend to harbor = doubts about the validity of my work.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Richmond=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:41 AM Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Trust yourself. Develop a theme. Focus on execution. Hang in there. Regards,=20 Jim Richmond On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: Hi - I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've = fallen into patterns. I'd like to try something different. Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some = concepts or strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. David ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7BB5F.14CE4C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is wise advice.  Especially = as during=20 recording I tend to harbor doubts about the validity of my work. =
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James Richmond =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 = 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: Studio recording - = breaking=20 patterns - ideas?

Trust yourself.
Develop a theme.
Focus on execution.
Hang in there.

Regards, 

Jim Richmond


On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

Hi -


I'm going into studio next weekend to record.  Over the years I've=20 fallen

into patterns.  = I'd=20 like to try something different.


Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c


And this is a great community for sharing ideas.  What are some concepts=20 or

strategies you've used to break out of your = patterns?


Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


David


------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7BB5F.14CE4C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 13:38:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7FF3BF62; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <4687AF8E.8060609@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:43:42 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rocktron all access - silent switching Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi dears, in the never ending hunt for the right pedalboard, it seems I have the chance to get a Rocktron All Access for a reasonable price. I have never touched it pesonally and I need to find someone who owns or knows it to have a few informations: -how are the switches ? I need to know if they are "silent" like the old Tc Electronic switches ( which don't "click") or are the typical noisy ones. This is a very important thing for me as I am playing more and more frequently in acoustic/classic environments, when you can't produce any other noise ( or sound ;-)) than what you are actually playing. -does exist a pc editor for the all access ? -any issue or anything I should be aware about. thank you and sorry for the non artistical topic. my best, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 13:43:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF633BF4E; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:44:28 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? To: Message-id: <002001c7bb81$5cef2420$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7BB5F.D56FA720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:43:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7BB5F.D56FA720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is wise advice. Especially as during recording I tend to harbor = doubts about the validity of my work.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Richmond=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:41 AM Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Trust yourself.=20 Develop a theme. Focus on execution. Hang in there. Regards,=20 Jim Richmond On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: Hi - I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've = fallen into patterns. I'd like to try something different. Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some = concepts or strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? Thanks in advance for your thoughts. David ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7BB5F.D56FA720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is wise advice.  Especially = as during=20 recording I tend to harbor doubts about the validity of my work. =
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James Richmond =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 = 1:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: Studio recording = -=20 breaking patterns - ideas?

Trust yourself.=20
Develop a theme.
Focus on execution.
Hang in there.

Regards, 

Jim Richmond


On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

Hi -


I'm going into studio next weekend to record.  Over the years I've=20 fallen

into patterns.  = I'd=20 like to try something different.


Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c


And this is a great community for sharing ideas.  What are some concepts = or

strategies you've used to break out of your = patterns?


Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


David


------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C7BB5F.D56FA720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 13:52:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E6663BF46; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4687BD58.7090002@pa.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:42:32 -0500 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP References: <46601518.5060807@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:52:22 +0000 (UTC) How many of us have just one setup? At one point in my history, the live rig consisted of packing up the studio and carting it to the performance site. That was painful as it usually cost a few days on either end to dismantle and then restore the studio. So we tried to separate the live rig from the studio rig. Yeah, that did lead to some duplication, but my yard sale mentality helped there: don't pay more than you did for the first instance, but if another shows up cheaper, grab it. I paid $450 for my first Arp Odyessy and $175 for my fourth. (Anyone want to sell me my fifth? (-8) But now I find myself in three different bands, each of which calls for a different setup. In fact, one band called for three different setups for our last three gigs as we played a basement punk rock gig, an art gallery opening, and a silent film soundtrack. So, I guess my question is: how many of us have the luxury of only one setup? John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 15:02:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32A33BF4E; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=phYlSfo8v1273wKzlEg5FSnvKHqk1Qwvo1/NL9TdtVvFbZwzGnLJo60vbJEy+AFKd6SnkzBWHHb28L31rOlRfM4+dViRnPzQwxHBOICua/ul9bYQwXrRKPIJtk/px+29vePwyW7mCIiIhtGZBt1ycKovn1AAOq241RDx+shKqIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ao9y0x02FBgEp3v1UUK8Xci5P7wz483Rkvl8r6IQEgyi7g1nhtcZTyRDMrKXCv324eg4hA/TjTmn7K0rbQQUNb+8uDm8mTJNGpXY2FH+k8uLaNmV64rz+QFW8tgnt1fJJS5yqRq810UeRq+ZsTb1K8qc1lEmxclg3Su4dIt/PVs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> References: <46601518.5060807@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F45A1B2-09A3-484E-AA50-B27DACB9ACB9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:02:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:02:14 +0000 (UTC) (Sorry for long post. I left out the details to keep it down) I have no fancy studio pix, since I'm trying to keep a small portable set-up. The recording gear is normally set up in the room were I live and work. It's based around an Apple G5 computer with an RME Multiface audio interface. I have four Genelec 8030A and a sub woofer. Only using all speakers when doing surround mixes. I sometimes pack two of the Genlecs in a trunk to use in the field for recording, performing, teaching or working as a producer coach. I recently sold some of my hardware, now getting more into combining both studio production and playing out as a live looping artist in portable laptop set-ups (five years ago I was using EDP, Repeater + mixer etc etc in a gigantic rack but thank god we're moving on...). Anyway, although I'm always experimenting with different set-ups I mainly use three laptop systems for live-looping. One is a Windows XP PC running Mobius VST under Bidule. This machine uses a RME FireFace400. Three physical inputs are used, each one trimmed to match the signal level for the instruments I play: Tenor sax, Alto Traverse Flute, Akai EWI 4000s, Stratocaster with floating whammy bar and Fretless Telecaster with Sustainiac Model C mechanic/ acoustic feedback system. The Bidule setup has 16 alternative effect chains that I play through PRE looper. This is my primary acoustic input looping setup. A schematic can be studied here: http://www.looproom.com/bilder/bidule2007ff400.JPG When playing live concerts I bring out one stereo output through a NiceNoice compressor box and into the PA. For studio recording I pipe four ADAT stereo channels into Logic Pro, carrying my live instrument input and the separated Mobius tracks (I rarely use more than three tracks when looping in Mobius, so it's quite sufficient). Another acoustic input looping system I use is based on the AU plug- in Augustus Loop and runs on a Apple Powerbook with either the RME FF400 or a Echo AudioFire2 interface. It has two loopers and can do most trick I also manage with the EDP and Mobius. But since Augustus Looper is a tape delay simulator by heart it doesn't have the same tightness as the other two loopes. But that's not all bad if you ask me :-) I do more wobbly music with this looping setup and it also sounds differently because I only use Live's built-in effects for sound shaping. This rig can be studied on two screenshots: http://www.looproom.com/bilder/AugustusLoop_Live1.png http://www.looproom.com/bilder/AugustusLoop_Live2.png If you read the headlines on the Master Track to the right you get a fair picture of the functions I have implemented so far. The clips in the chart are MIDI files or MIDI loops that control the loopers and I trig each horizontal row ("scene") from pedals while playing. My third setup is for MIDI input (i.e. playing the EWI only) and runs on two laptops. The Mobius PC as looper and a MIDI Clock synced Powerbook with Logic Pro as the softsynth/sampler and effect rig. 100 different patches to call up from the EWI by MIDI Program Change, each patch utilizing one software instrument and loads of effects. A reverb and filtered delay system globally applied as Aux effect sends. My live audio from the Mac is piped digitally by SPDIF into the looper PC. In Logic I have set up all kind of dynamic "MIDI plug- ins" that I can play trhough (or not): chord harmonizer for any key, arpeggiators etc. Also using different global micro tonal tunings for the software instruments. Screenshot of the Logic screen here: http://www.looproom.com/bilder/LogicPro_MIDI_slave.png Some live recorded sounding examples of the different looping setups: ---> Real-time, live: Two laptop MIDI EWI looping: http://www.looproom.com/audio/mistwood.mp3 Mobius PC Bidule fretless guitar looping: http://www.looproom.com/ audio/b.mp3 ---> Studio, ADAT multi channel pipe: Mobius PC Bidule analog EWI looping: http://www.looproom.com/audio/ wip/glitch01wip2k7.mp3 Oh, I almost forgot that I have a fourth looping setup on the Mac based on Augustus Loop in AU host Numerology. This is drawing on the same technique as the Ableton setup - triggering sequences of MIDI control data for the loopers - but since Numerology is such a open system of inter modulating step sequence modular system the music that comes out of this looping tends to be somewhat more bizarre. Audio except: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Numerology_Augustus_Looping2.mp3 Not using this setup at the moment while waiting for Numerology 2.0 to be released. With ReWire support it will then be a funny looping system to run in sync with other applications. Eh... just an old clip from playing Echoplex, Stratocater and drumloop: http://www.looproom.com/audio/edp_strat_01.mp3 This crazy Substitute technique is something I still have not found a working software platform for doing. Mobius is closest by now. Maybe it would work on Mobius, but I just have not felt motivated to dig that deep into old directions... I also think MetaSynth is a good tool for creating funny post prod stuff, but I have not used it for a while because I'm getting drawn more into real-time processing as part of the improvisational playing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 15:14:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 135573BF4E; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YzVjDZGkCkhACWHS8Mrjac11GbDnNlkrP5QGD9lr7d/X9zcteiJY3//HoOeqaBJ4chduiyrQclwbriZHAYtXcTSgEZoNUM6GuIC+yRSeVnYn+LNOB/6VA4DRYn6nhwLBd2cCedItVbFq6xpmXtPdNckg9zOJg2i+lr8ucg59ZFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jUewYPzpBckWrg8qZpH3Fv5bI1dznZFcJoqFuXW+vi3h/q19ZX+DHRTkjjhUb4mhHNCdRSFCwv4/jsard6XFWuGGqmb7f9wCzX/y0Ja9z3ZG0t3X0OHT8qvL69x1bpdHnf1nnK6z304KxqlpVbzTnUkmMU58jSTd2dNH79DHb/o= Message-ID: <64b81a780707010814j909fa69hbe40a9ec48f454d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 11:14:42 -0400 From: "Todd Pafford" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? In-Reply-To: <0c00fde8c34a73f514caaa7e1820f15a@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> <0c00fde8c34a73f514caaa7e1820f15a@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:14:45 +0000 (UTC) David, An idea along the same veins is to write music without a guitar in your hands. If' you've got a little training in reading/writing music on paper, great, do that. If not, write a tune or two vocally. Sing, whistle, or hum something and build it up that way. Once you've got something that sounds appealing, figure out how to play what you were just singing and go from there. Another idea is to pick a time signature or rhythm you wouldn't normally use and see what happens when you try to build a song around it. May Apollo (Greek god of music, inspiration, and such) smile upon you. Todd On 7/1/07, nico spahni wrote: > Hi David > > I suggest you use a different tuning, e.g. new standard tuning (see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Standard_Tuning). Keep us posted about > the results. > > Best regards from Switzerland > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni > > > > Am 01.07.2007 um 07:41 schrieb James Richmond: > > > Trust yourself. > > Develop a theme. > > Focus on execution. > > Hang in there. > > > > Regards, > > > > Jim Richmond > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > >> Hi - > >> > >> I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've > >> fallen > >> into patterns. I'd like to try something different. > >> > >> Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > >> > >> And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some > >> concepts or > >> strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? > >> > >> Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > >> > >> David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 15:58:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04DDE3BF49; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lUT393DlsFiY/c5g1JafygIhVRXfH/GaDn9qcaJE8Am9T/DRvnOJX1514gPAWGt9AQByYdcH7ysyMGHZRFZvDr2jyBoLdxFCWG+FqmfTXqx7shZeN6btjGd4wPOogsZZdI9RSsuqUtobt9YGsuCyM8aqHEGzilCusmV27ykMSgw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GYG1QOgL1NX9i2wgnX2Y7V2IE9WtOTjKckuy0VlnkuN40WdfHE9vNvL79i9RKIh3y/FpXmZW3nds0c+g1j/q4z4w7qPXyrRv1sJvShII5DSNEXvHjz4PtkqkUZ0tgob/uLhtQjMGAbirxyFklxFNTpxqKnlhmmbPXADuMvmSkqo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 08:58:02 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rocktron all access - silent switching In-Reply-To: <4687AF8E.8060609@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4687AF8E.8060609@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Typical noisy is my recollection. TH On 7/1/07, Luca Formentini wrote: > -how are the switches ? I need to know if they are "silent" like the old > Tc Electronic switches ( which don't "click") or are the typical noisy > ones. This is a very important thing for me as I am playing more and > more frequently in acoustic/classic environments, when you can't produce > any other noise ( or sound ;-)) than what you are actually playing. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 16:27:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D396B3BF50; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> References: <46601518.5060807@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20070701110410.03c453a0@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-989067135 Message-Id: <03917B29-6114-40DF-8A61-975551BE035A@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: POST YOUR SETUP Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 09:26:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9fCuED.A.CqE.VX9hGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:27:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-989067135 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Nice Marley poster. :-) -Rev. Fever On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Bart Lyons wrote: > Link to my studio set-up. I know rather untidy. --Apple-Mail-8-989067135 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice Marley poster.=A0 = =A0:-)

-Rev. = Fever

On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 AM, Bart Lyons = wrote:

Link to my studio set-up. I know rather = untidy.=A0
= --Apple-Mail-8-989067135-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 16:40:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07C2F3BF4F; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4687E4CB.2030601@pa.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:30:51 -0500 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> <0c00fde8c34a73f514caaa7e1820f15a@gmx.net> <64b81a780707010814j909fa69hbe40a9ec48f454d8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780707010814j909fa69hbe40a9ec48f454d8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Sigh, I cannot remember who it was, but someone in an interview I once read said he would take an existing tune, write new lyrics to it, and then write a new tune that would fit the new lyrics. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 18:00:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFFEE3BF43; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EAfXLtrdvINSyt1Wl3iOSaeWe54EPRcHc4G8HUDcKAOd2ECSl9F9nDZ98yvTnQjMrRUZauIVkrdDT053dsoneY/qxHP10rDmAj5hyjA3ijGbUKQ6Drfe9spYTC6FfeUDw9Bik1b0ocFRnrYcc0SQk0BcLzlDAUqNpT9uCBzkNGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aKlp/qDrgc6xyb+dVacbnTVY8bNIFxK074GolzHoaaegb5Zu2SXck35oROgrkgdHuLhfBI2s15uzqpGI2m0FlkRDlnOUKpTQGp02t7aaUAphH9thBizQ5N5a3pWHAiipk3pJb7OAgE/+3e6igQLBkBIRx8L82GG/VUHaYOK53nw= Message-ID: <9e0440a60707011100u3d3f9e0as45cc361113f010c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 14:00:35 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? In-Reply-To: <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_76418_8646989.1183312835262" References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:00:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_76418_8646989.1183312835262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline One of the best ways to create new inspiration whether studio or just a rut, I learned from Mick Goodrick's Advancing Guitarist book several years ago. The idea was to record yourself for 2 minutes playing anything that comes into your head. Don't listen back to it, then and from his example he suggested doing this daily but I've applied to say a 30 minute setting, record another 2 minute passage, again don't listen to it then. He suggested over the daily lifespan of a 60 min cassette tape filling both sides with 2 minute sequences. Then when it's filled up go back and listen to it through. In the current day of digital capturing as mentioned I do this for 30-minute periods of time. That gesturing of momentary thoughts once rescued me from a depressed low confidence place I fell into several years ago following a misunderstanding (my ego) with a teacher. I'm doing this now with a violin I received for Father's Day which is a new instrument to me and at the learning the technique stage. Think of the 2-minute gesture recording kind of like something Robin Williamson (INcredible String Band) once said, 'it's like knaive painting'. Now go hit Record David and don't think about it. Best Jim Goodin www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic On 6/30/07, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Hi - > > I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've fallen > into patterns. I'd like to try something different. > > Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some concepts > or > strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > > David > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_76418_8646989.1183312835262 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
One of the best ways to create new inspiration whether studio or just a rut, I learned from Mick Goodrick's Advancing Guitarist book several years ago.
 
The idea was to record yourself for 2 minutes playing anything that comes into your head.  Don't listen back to it, then and from his example he suggested doing this daily but I've applied to say a 30 minute setting, record another 2 minute passage, again don't listen to it then.  He suggested over the daily lifespan of a 60 min cassette tape filling both sides with 2 minute sequences.  Then when it's filled up go back and listen to it through.  In the current day of digital capturing as mentioned I do this for 30-minute periods of time.
 
That gesturing of momentary thoughts once rescued me from a depressed low confidence place I fell into several years ago following a misunderstanding (my ego) with a teacher.
 
I'm doing this now with a violin I received for Father's Day which is a new instrument to me and at the learning the technique stage.
 
Think of the 2-minute gesture recording kind of like something Robin Williamson (INcredible String Band) once said, 'it's like knaive painting'.
 
Now go hit Record David and don't think about it.
 
Best
 
Jim Goodin


 
On 6/30/07, David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi -

I'm going into studio next weekend to record.  Over the years I've fallen
into patterns.  I'd like to try something different.

Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic

And this is a great community for sharing ideas.  What are some concepts or
strategies you've used to break out of your patterns?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

David




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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_76418_8646989.1183312835262-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 18:20:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 685103BF4A; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.141] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070701133830.1A28D3BF53@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: breaking patterns Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:20:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 18:20:37.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[85CDB970:01C7BC0C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Make up story, tell it with sound. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 18:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 282D93BF45; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.141] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070701180038.7A3563BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: breaking pattern Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:47:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2007 18:47:01.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[35EBC150:01C7BC10] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 18:47:03 +0000 (UTC) I think it's a really great idea to write a melody by singing instead of one's primary instrument. A related approach is to write parts on instruments other than the ones they'll be played on,good way to get out of what I call motor habits, ie familiar fingerings ,box patterns etc. I got a great bassline by playing an african bell pattern on a pennywhistle ,taking that line down a few octaves,and making some big holes in it. _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 1 20:25:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 356273BF46; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GAtOiSCtDiqiALCz7yh0WLc/m+uf47xKs+qTMmcdbL37TMjoh0TotpNf+zKT8jT6nq9zvpb0fOa9aW2Y6ElA9VN55nmZi+lFxNpvyL//q0mB8J3MiX1aFfk1Ho7/LiuE+ssipxgkegaU/YdZfbj/w+ZcuTMLDyhtH7X+atoUBjE=; X-YMail-OSG: 6QdqEDkVM1mn6J5PyKUv56AX6WFw5HwXCa1D_TVexwfzHOwCHnri.aLVx1WYJMLUuw-- Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60707011100u3d3f9e0as45cc361113f010c5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <30181.85282.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) howdy, What I'll do is turn every thing i usually use off, and turn everything I don't use on. I'm talking about echo, reverb, compression, distortion, etc. You get the picture. it forces you out fo your comfort zone and send you off in a different direction. Rig --- Jim Goodin wrote: > One of the best ways to create new inspiration > whether studio or just a > rut, I learned from Mick Goodrick's Advancing > Guitarist book several years > ago. > > The idea was to record yourself for 2 minutes > playing anything that comes > into your head. Don't listen back to it, then and > from his example he > suggested doing this daily but I've applied to say a > 30 minute setting, > record another 2 minute passage, again don't listen > to it then. He > suggested over the daily lifespan of a 60 min > cassette tape filling both > sides with 2 minute sequences. Then when it's > filled up go back and listen > to it through. In the current day of digital > capturing as mentioned I do > this for 30-minute periods of time. > > That gesturing of momentary thoughts once rescued me > from a depressed low > confidence place I fell into several years ago > following a misunderstanding > (my ego) with a teacher. > > I'm doing this now with a violin I received for > Father's Day which is a new > instrument to me and at the learning the technique > stage. > > Think of the 2-minute gesture recording kind of like > something Robin > Williamson (INcredible String Band) once said, 'it's > like knaive painting'. > > Now go hit Record David and don't think about it. > > Best > > Jim Goodin > www.jimgoodinmusic.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic > > > > On 6/30/07, David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > > > Hi - > > > > I'm going into studio next weekend to record. > Over the years I've fallen > > into patterns. I'd like to try something > different. > > > > Past efforts can be heard here: > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > > > And this is a great community for sharing ideas. > What are some concepts > > or > > strategies you've used to break out of your > patterns? > > > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > > > > David > > > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - > http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - > http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative > souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - > http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is > published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > Associates and friends on the web - > Daryl Shawn - > http://www.swanwelder.com > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 00:10:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4723D3BF4A; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4687AF8E.8060609@unguitar.com> References: <4687AF8E.8060609@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: rocktron all access - silent switching Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:10:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:10:07 +0000 (UTC) The switches make a resounding "click" when pressed. --- King Never www.kingnever.com On Jul 1, 2007, at 6:43 AM, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dears, > in the never ending hunt for the right pedalboard, it seems I have > the chance to get a Rocktron All Access for a reasonable price. > > I have never touched it pesonally and I need to find someone who > owns or knows it to have a few informations: > -how are the switches ? I need to know if they are "silent" like > the old Tc Electronic switches ( which don't "click") or are the > typical noisy ones. This is a very important thing for me as I am > playing more and more frequently in acoustic/classic environments, > when you can't produce any other noise ( or sound ;-)) than what > you are actually playing. > -does exist a pc editor for the all access ? > -any issue or anything I should be aware about. > > thank you and sorry for the non artistical topic. > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > > From member@ebay.com Mon Jul 2 00:17:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mtairyoil.com (nc-65-41-42-141.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.41.42.141]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EA33BF39; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([209.104.99.98]) by mtairyoil.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v8.5.0.8) with ASMTP id HHO12543; Sun, 01 Jul 2007 20:12:43 -0400 Reply-To: From: "eBay Member" Subject: Message from eBay Member Regarding Item #180114826067 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:03:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070702001659.A0EA33BF39@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 02:58:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D84DE3BF39; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 02:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6f4d50a5edcaeace6c851a515f8a18d5@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: rc50 looping on youtube Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 20:58:35 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 02:58:39 +0000 (UTC) maybe already mentioned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFyFp7QCItc&mode=related&search= got there from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiI2UsgDGd4&mode=related&search= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 05:19:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FB6F3BF2D; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 05:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46827EDD.7070605@mhorse.com> References: <46827EDD.7070605@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A964853-FBC1-4250-8D6A-4B6D2C229933@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Zoe Keating/Loop!station show Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:19:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <6Rk8e.A.U1B.QrIiGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 05:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the review Daryl! One of my Repeaters gets "jammed" sometimes. It's like the software freezes, the LCD just says "Not Ready" and you can't record, stop, erase...do anything. Only solution is to kill the power for the machine. It's happened for a couple of years that one... Irritating, but I try to work it in where possible! On Jun 27, 2007, at 8:14 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I saw Zoe Keating and Loop!Station on Saturday night in San > Francisco. I unfortunately missed the other performers who were > part of this all-cello evening (dubbed "Mondo Cello"), though I > understand they were more conventional bands using cello as an > instrument in addition to guitars and drums. > > Loop!station is a duo, cello and vocals, made of Sam Bass (who I > knew from the interesting cello/violin/drum trio Deadweight) and > Robin Coomer (who I knew from the really really loud rock band > Birdsaw). They had a bunch of different Loopstations (natch) > between them, plus at least one DL4. Sam's silver-painted (or could > it have been metal??) cello did a very nice job of setting up > varied textures, with his loopers, which are definitely used as an > accompaniment with his live playing being the main focus. My > girlfriend actually didn't even realize he was looping until he > started doing some percussion stuff. Robin would do some looping > also, as well as some generated harmonies. She has an ASTOUNDING > voice. > > They definitely play "songs" with "parts", which I suppose the > Loopstation pedals are pretty good for. It was somewhat amusing > watching them share patch-switching duties; if one was occupied > doing something involved, the other would take care of the > switches. Though they definitely had a lot to deal with technology- > wise, it never got tedious to watch, and the focus was really on > the cello and voice in the performance, just with a lot of foot- > tapping going on. I really enjoyed their set, very passionate as > well as interesting musically. > > Zoe came out last of the evening with her cello, a couple of > Repeaters in a rack with a laptop perched on top, and a single > floor controller (FCB1010, I think). She was the only solo > performer of the evening, but was immediately arresting with her > amazing tone (those low, bowed fourths and fifths are like the > voice of a god!) and slowly building compositions. There were some > technical problems (laptop crashes I believe), which ironically > didn't happen until she introduced one piece by describing that it > came about while dealing with a technical problem on tour. But she > handled it well and the problems didn't detract from the music. I > found it mesmerizing, really really beautiful stuff, and never even > thought about all the technology happening (well, until the > crashes). The audience seemed totally captivated too, and > definitely weren't a crowd of music geeks. > > It was interesting in that these were looping performances that > weren't built from improvisation, and moreover, involved the > performance of very specific pieces built from very specific loops, > as opposed to the seemingly more frequent improv-based looping. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 06:38:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6647E3BF27; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46888128.7080701@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:38:00 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unexpected gear behavior References: <20070629084908.7D4E63BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070629084908.7D4E63BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Oh man, 16-track analog loops are gonna be amazing!!! Be sure to let us in on the mayhem. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I think I'll cut some loops for that > beast and get some 16 track madness going on. Probably > make several loops that last 1, 2, 3, and 4minutes. > Load em in the machine and see what mayhem results. > Using the 4 digital delays and the re-201 to make > looping within looping ought to be a fun time. THANX > for the tips. > Rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 07:34:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D9A3BF27; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46888E5D.6010704@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:34:21 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Extended gigspam References: <20070701030050.86CCE3BF41@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070701030050.86CCE3BF41@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:34:31 +0000 (UTC) I did four Texas dates with my band a few years ago...though in San Antonio I played the worst gig of my life (at an unforgettable "venue" called Tacoland), and Houston was a little weird, I had a great time in Austin and El Paso, and I'd love to travel there again. Honest! It's just so freakin' BIG and in the middle of the country that any tour which includes it as well as any of the coast cities turns into a serious roadshow venture. I do want to get there soon, though, especially Austin. I had a Shiner Bock tonight...cheers on ya! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > No Texas dates? > > Nobody ever plays Texas... [wanders off mubling with head hung low] > > --Josh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 13:02:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAAC63BF26; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:00:58 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #535 for June 28, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4688F70A.40601@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Galactic Travels Playlist #535 for June 28, 2007 Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #535 June 28, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Robert Rich. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Electric Ladder" on Soundscape Records. Robert Rich: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jun PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Frank Klare Digitalic One Digitalic (Groove) Robert Rich Elemental Trigger -- Stalker (Fathom) Robert Rich Synergistic Stalker (Fathom) Perceptions -- Robert Rich Interview June 23, 2007. Gert Emmens and Journey Journey (EH) Ruud Heij Klaus Schulze Foreplay Blackdance (Revisited) Jim Cole and Arches/Far Journeys Innertones (Spectral Spiral) Spectral Voices 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Robert Rich Electric Ladder Electric Ladder (Soundscape) Robert Rich Shadowline Electric Ladder (Soundscape) Robert Rich Poppy Fields Electric Ladder (Soundscape) Robert Rich Sky Tunnel Electric Ladder (Soundscape) Robert Rich Concentric Electric Ladder (Soundscape) Robert Rich Aquifer Electric Ladder (Soundscape) Robert Rich Never Alone Electric Ladder (Soundscape) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Jim Cole and Spectral Voices. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Coalescence" on Spectral Spiral Music. Jim Cole and Spectral Voices: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jul Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 13:09:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAFB53BF48; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AXw/JWfvTND/D+DLLoOoi7KAn7tEa4kexT0yZ2MAFf5fHTRRtiZAxcDZzuiGT04LL24oVmQBjjo1gS5yA4Mxvm9cGvS6JhzAuWYd8lxPONpt3+rlyOIc81EXlM4ZOdIYVJy7CVx/v+MQvgxB5e+x0RRjXsVSA5FHWnVCeYXUhrk=; X-YMail-OSG: 7eDkZhIVM1la5HC95VXuHl7sLOzVrcRa3tsw8fvUbHsdyI.6eScodUPenlKobi43Zy3FM1iY1hIvZhlPQvxcYhHtP7FAtDgzAfs4rDn2Jzz3cotx Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:09:26 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Masters Subject: Boss RC50 loopstation To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1976920390-1183381766=:95823" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <11592.95823.qm@web27008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-1976920390-1183381766=:95823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, probably a stupid quesition but does anyone have experience with the Boss RC50? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now but I can't work out how independent your inputs can be when using it as a live looper. If you're putting a guitar and a mic through it and you're looping the guitar, does it have to pick up whatever is coming through the mic (if there was crowd noise, for example...)? Presumably that way you'd lose a lot of sound quality. Equally, I wouldn't want to have to mute the mic when looping guitar in case I wanted to sing over the top of the loop afterwards (or add percussion via the mic). I'm confused. I'm thinking that the only solution, if you want to be able to control mic and guitar loops independently, is to have two separate units... but then you can't sync your live loops. If anyone can tell me otherwise, I'll go and buy the thing right now. I've gone cross-eyed just trying to work this thing out! Otherwise, I'll stick to Jamman for mic/vocals and RC20xl for guitar. Thanks! --------------------------------- New Yahoo! 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Hi, probably a stupid quesition but does anyone have experience with the Boss RC50? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now but I can't work out how independent your inputs can be when using it as a live looper.

If you're putting a guitar and a mic through it and you're looping the guitar, does it have to pick up whatever is coming through the mic (if there was crowd noise, for example...)? Presumably that way you'd lose a lot of sound quality. Equally, I wouldn't want to have to mute the mic when looping guitar in case I wanted to sing over the top of the loop afterwards (or add percussion via the mic).

I'm confused. I'm thinking that the only solution, if you want to be able to control mic and guitar loops independently, is to have two separate units... but then you can't sync your live loops. If anyone can tell me otherwise, I'll go and buy the thing right now. I've gone cross-eyed just trying to work this thing out!
 
Otherwise, I'll stick to Jamman for mic/vocals and RC20xl for guitar.
 
Thanks!


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Plus: play games and win prizes. --0-1976920390-1183381766=:95823-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 13:57:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 947753BF42; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <11592.95823.qm@web27008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <11592.95823.qm@web27008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:55:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Boss RC50 loopstation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:57:51 +0000 (UTC) At 2:09 PM +0100 7/2/07, Stuart Masters wrote: >Hi, probably a stupid quesition but does anyone have experience with >the Boss RC50? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now but >I can't work out how independent your inputs can be when using it as >a live looper. > >If you're putting a guitar and a mic through it and you're looping >the guitar, does it have to pick up whatever is coming through the >mic (if there was crowd noise, for example...)? Presumably that way >you'd lose a lot of sound quality. Equally, I wouldn't want to have >to mute the mic when looping guitar in case I wanted to sing over >the top of the loop afterwards (or add percussion via the mic). How about a microphone with an on/off switch? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 14:20:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA68A3BF45; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6lbLSVxuaatmgs7L2jTBFT5Q24OnBLSND7po1UseBlnFQNzJWAVdRFNF+dlSBXCyrAnuK4YstDy93zWoGrxaZaF+BIgHbx5rEbe4iev/fvG07le+AMy8KxZCT8MoAFPnQdpYz61m3T62f5o+dHWqSmTbLloSofNzy6Es0EbvI/c=; X-YMail-OSG: gj_vFd4VM1kiCLQBgZjqDVPSl1sE920zxosZpoS9 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:20:54 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Masters Subject: Re: Boss RC50 loopstation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1801765655-1183386054=:56907" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <799752.56907.qm@web27007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:20:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-1801765655-1183386054=:56907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, could do I suppose! David Gans wrote: At 2:09 PM +0100 7/2/07, Stuart Masters wrote: >Hi, probably a stupid quesition but does anyone have experience with >the Boss RC50? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now but >I can't work out how independent your inputs can be when using it as >a live looper. > >If you're putting a guitar and a mic through it and you're looping >the guitar, does it have to pick up whatever is coming through the >mic (if there was crowd noise, for example...)? Presumably that way >you'd lose a lot of sound quality. Equally, I wouldn't want to have >to mute the mic when looping guitar in case I wanted to sing over >the top of the loop afterwards (or add percussion via the mic). How about a microphone with an on/off switch? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. --0-1801765655-1183386054=:56907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, could do I suppose!

David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
At 2:09 PM +0100 7/2/07, Stuart Masters wrote:
>Hi, probably a stupid quesition but does anyone have experience with
>the Boss RC50? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now but
>I can't work out how independent your inputs can be when using it as
>a live looper.
>
>If you're putting a guitar and a mic through it and you're looping
>the guitar, does it have to pick up whatever is coming through the
>mic (if there was crowd noise, for example...)? Presumably that way
>you'd lose a lot of sound quality. Equally, I wouldn't want to have
>to mute the mic when looping guitar in case I wanted to sing over
>the top of the loop afterwards (or add percussion via the mic).

How about a microphone with an on/off switch?




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Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com



Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. --0-1801765655-1183386054=:56907-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 14:43:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E924B3BF3E; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC50 loopstation Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:43:48 +0000 Message-Id: <070220071443.5081.46890F2400025DD3000013D92216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5081_1183387428_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:43:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5081_1183387428_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you want to selectivly send mic or guitar signals, put the rc50 into an effect loop in a mixer. Turn up the send to the RC50 from the mic whenever you need it. Be sure the loop out is set to sub. Works great. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Stuart Masters Yeah, could do I suppose! David Gans wrote: At 2:09 PM +0100 7/2/07, Stuart Masters wrote: >Hi, probably a stupid quesition but does anyone have experience with >the Boss RC50? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now but >I can't work out how independent your inputs can be when using it as >a live looper. > >If you're putting a guitar and a mic through it and you're looping >the guitar, does it have to pick up whatever is coming through the >mic (if there was crowd noise, for example...)? Presumably that way >you'd lose a lot of sound quality. Equally, I wouldn't want to have >to mute the mic when looping guitar in case I wanted to sing over >the top of the loop afterwards (or add percussion via the mic). How about a microphone with an on/off switch? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5081_1183387428_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
If you want to selectivly send mic or guitar signals, put the rc50 into an effect loop in a mixer. Turn up the send to the RC50 from the mic whenever you need it. Be sure the loop out is set to sub. Works great.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Stuart Masters <stuartamasters@yahoo.co.uk>
Yeah, could do I suppose!

David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
At 2:09 PM +0100 7/2/07, Stuart Masters wrote:
>Hi, probably a stupid quesition but does anyone have experience with
>the Boss RC50? I've been thinking of getting one for a while now but
>I can't work out how independent your inputs can be when using it as
>a live looper.
>
>If you're putting a guitar and a mic through it and you're looping
>the guitar, does it have to pick up whatever is coming through the
>mic (if there was crowd noise, for example...)? Presumably that way
>you'd lose a lot of sound quality. Equally, I wouldn't want to have
>to mute the mic when looping guitar in case I wanted to sing over
>the top of the loop afterwards (or add percussion via the mic).

How about a microphone with an on/off switch?




--

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--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_5081_1183387428_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 14:48:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFBF63BF4D; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [204.107.47.109] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <070220071443.5081.46890F2400025DD3000013D92216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Roland HPD-10 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:48:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2007 14:48:07.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[00CC45A0:01C7BCB8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Anybody had any experience with this percussion doodad? I toyed with an HPD-15 in the store when they first came out and was not terribly impressed, but I am looking for something like that now. Any comments appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:05:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2C63BF3F; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780707010814j909fa69hbe40a9ec48f454d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> <0c00fde8c34a73f514caaa7e1820f15a@gmx.net> <64b81a780707010814j909fa69hbe40a9ec48f454d8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--1073289719 Message-Id: <41B52803-2D19-4CD0-ADD7-2E9530ED0A6B@infinivert.com> From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:05:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:05:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--1073289719 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 1, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Todd Pafford wrote: > write a tune or two vocally. Sing, > whistle, or hum something and build it up that way. Once you've got > something that sounds appealing, figure out how to play what you were > just singing and go from there. > > Another idea is to pick a time signature or rhythm you wouldn't > normally use and see what happens when you try to build a song around > it. Some of my favorite things I've written evolved using a combination of these two techniques. I would walk around campus in college humming a groove to myself, and then I would mess it up by imposing odd time signatures (usually changing every measure or two) onto my groove. I would then take that home, figure it out on keys or guitar, and build a song around the groove. Very satisfying. Thanks! I needed to be reminded to think this way. --Josh --Apple-Mail-9--1073289719 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jul 1, 2007, at = 10:14 AM, Todd Pafford wrote:

write a tune or two = vocally.=A0 = Sing,

whistle, or hum something and build it up that way.=A0 Once you've got

something that sounds = appealing, figure out how to play what you were

just singing and go from = there.


Another idea is to pick a time signature or rhythm you = wouldn't

normally = use and see what happens when you try to build a song around

=

it.

=

Some of my favorite things I've written = evolved using a combination of these two techniques. =A0I would walk = around campus in college humming a groove to myself, and then I would = mess it up by imposing odd time signatures (usually changing every = measure or two) onto my groove. =A0I would then take that home, figure = it out on keys or guitar, and build a song around the groove. =A0Very = satisfying.

Thanks! =A0I needed to be = reminded to think this way.

--Josh
= --Apple-Mail-9--1073289719-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:19:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51AE63BF37; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46888E5D.6010704@mhorse.com> References: <20070701030050.86CCE3BF41@arsenic.violacea.com> <46888E5D.6010704@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: Extended gigspam Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:19:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Ahh, Shiner Bock! I have a good friend who was just stationed (USAF) in California. He sent me a text message hours after arriving to let me know he had found Shiner Bock for sale in his new town and he now felt life would be bearable. Ha! Yes, Austin is an amazing city. Dallas also has some great small venues with great atmosphere. Texas is huge, but I would definitely make the drive to any of these large cities to catch the musicians on this list. --Josh On Jul 2, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > I did four Texas dates with my band a few years ago...though in San > Antonio I played the worst gig of my life (at an unforgettable > "venue" called Tacoland), and Houston was a little weird, I had a > great time in Austin and El Paso, and I'd love to travel there > again. Honest! It's just so freakin' BIG and in the middle of the > country that any tour which includes it as well as any of the coast > cities turns into a serious roadshow venture. I do want to get > there soon, though, especially Austin. > > I had a Shiner Bock tonight...cheers on ya! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> No Texas dates? >> >> Nobody ever plays Texas... [wanders off mubling with head hung low] >> >> --Josh > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 16:43:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6EA23BF3A; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:42:12 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for June, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46892AE4.1090807@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:43:56 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/top20jun.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for June, 2007. Shows #533 to #535; 7-June-2007 to 28-June-2007 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Andy Haas - Humanitarian War - Resonant Broekhuis, Keller, and Schonwalder - Orange - Manikin Frank Klare - Digitalic - Groove Fulton/Reaves Project - The Range - Hypnos/Binary Gert Emmens and Ruud Heij - Journey - EH Jim Cole and Spectral Voices - Innertones - Spectral Spiral Klaus Schulze - Ballett 3 - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Blackdance - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Kontinuum - Synthetic Symphony Manitou - All Points North - Slobor Michael Peck - Glacial - Gears of Sand Oenyaw - A Whole Day Off - none Robert Rich - Atlas Dei - Soundscape Robert Rich - Calling Down the Sky - Soundscape Robert Rich - Echo of Small Things - Soundscape Robert Rich - Electric Ladder - Soundscape Robert Rich and Ian Boddy - Lithosphere - DiN Simon Matthews - Tales of Ten Worlds - none Various Artists - Midnight Soul Dive - AlephZero Wahnfried - Trance Appeal - Revisited Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 20:24:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A3823BF4A; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:24:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <4689604F.9000603@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:30:07 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: breaking pattern References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:24:49 +0000 (UTC) > and making some big holes in it. I like this approach ! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 2 23:36:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 155653BF20; Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Record Industry Decline Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:36:08 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: ryman1960@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C98B18E63B9E9F_10FC_37F7_WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 28363 Message-Id: <8C98B18E63B9E9F-10FC-1B93@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.33 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 23:36:18 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C98B18E63B9E9F_10FC_37F7_WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Interesting article: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/the_record_industrys_decline/print ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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----------MB_8C98B18E63B9E9F_10FC_37F7_WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 01:50:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49B083BF0B; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 01:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: Subject: RE: Roland HPD-10 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:50:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace8uQAZ+ZRnhN0ySRO11F5E/CNIfQAW0PLQ In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200707021856968.SM06756@quahome> X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dacbe01c7000027c4.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 01:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Yes I own one. Its fun. Not a replacement for real drums, but the sounds are quite good, as good or better than HPD-15. one of these days, I'd like to use it to trigger some midi events in Max. But that's kind of on the back burner for me -Qua -----Original Message----- From: jj 179 [mailto:jj179subs@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:48 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Roland HPD-10 Anybody had any experience with this percussion doodad? I toyed with an HPD-15 in the store when they first came out and was not terribly impressed, but I am looking for something like that now. Any comments appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 01:52:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 316CE3BF4A; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 01:52:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mLQhIryUAz2waZmfZjchOWzxmOetJsOsgMZny9zbG8ECQuuvkX1pGAB47KF9/7QHdjsTtIiZQs77CKGnE4wG94KmKdFISWzWguuP0yya2JEp8TqNnzvj+s7uEwwBeHhdRD+Zq0KAWoBCJrzBn90uQor5l/+MuBkBsd41ucRvdMs=; X-YMail-OSG: g9A9bsYVM1m_Nl48KK4HuvY84AMEWqtTk6dytOwj.i94fDT526BWiv.1xjFw0okrnt0SephNc4scSi1.8eFRemWM46gpsKuXlW5OTNyqn2YN7NDYoRsMrVIxKviHNA-- Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:52:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 01:52:36 +0000 (UTC) question:A lot of the new laptops are being now offered with Win Vista,but some also with XP as an option, would you buy with vista and replace it with an xp version and update later to the vista one when everything works? Luis --- Jon Southwood wrote: > That shouldn't be a problem unless you're running > Parallels while > simultaneously trying to run the music stuff on the > OS X side. If you > normally have Parallels start when you log in, your > best bet would probably > be to have two users setup, one that launched > Parallels at startup for your > general/non-music stuff and a second user that would > launch without > Parallels. Then, Parallels isn't stealing resources > when you want to do > audio/music stuff. Of course, it might not even take > all of that. You might > just be able to quit Parallels and free up all the > resources back to OS X. > (I would hope so, but I'm not sure if Parallels > leaves any background > processes running when you quit.) > > Cheers, > > Jon Southwood > > On 6/27/07, Qua Veda wrote: > > > > Hi, > > This is what I expected, I just thought I'd check > to see. > > I've been using a MacBookPro running WindowsXP in > Parallels as part of a > > pilot program at work. It occurred to me that if I > bought my own > > MacBookPro, > > perhaps personal stuff could be run in > Windows(Parallels), and music stuff > > on the MacOS. But I think there would be a > problem with memory > > allocation > > etc so that you'd end up with neither OS taking > full advantage of the > > hardware. > > > > -Qua > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Krispen Hartung > [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:40 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? > > > > Mine is music performance only as well, with the > exception of accessing > > the > > internet for software updates and a few key > forums, like max/msp, etc. I > > don't change anything with the settings, so my > virus checkers, etc, are > > all > > intact. > > > > I did, however, optimize my configuration for > music applications, it's on > > Sweetwater's website and thier PC optimization > guide. > > > > > http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ts/detail.php?Index=30058 > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Qua Veda" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:17 AM > > Subject: Laptops -dedicated to music only? > > > > > > > Question for those of you who use laptops. > > > Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with > music/audio/video only? > > > (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps > that you might use on a > > > personal computer) > > > > > > -Qua > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 04:06:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FDAF3BF4B; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c7bb80$9c44a1a0$0affff0a@hppav> References: <483279.25786.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c7bae3$a7dbf060$fcc95548@hppav> <595AA067-8218-433D-88D3-1ABA2C4D2302@jamesrichmond.com> <000f01c7bb80$9c44a1a0$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--1030020568 Message-Id: <6832E78B-E00E-4930-B7DC-DE6ACBAE5B62@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 00:06:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:06:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--1030020568 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jun 30, 2007, at 9:39 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > This is wise advice. Especially as during recording I tend to > harbor doubts about the validity of my work. I have several "workstations" in my studio and home and have a bunch of oblique strategies. The main control room has the big console, HD rig and all the outboard. It demands a certain approach- the more conventional one. I also have two different computers with controller keyboards each running different software. I don't sync them with the HD rig- just use them for sound design. In my live room I have a dedicated looping guitar rig and a 2 track recorder (actually a computer). In the living room I have my powerbook, Live, Max/MSP and a large collection of sample material (movies). There are old computers- Atari, C64 and Amiga each running various bits of software in my spare room. They are fun to go to when all else fails- the C64 particularly as I have to code in hex and assembly. It takes ages to do anything so I have to choose carefully. Several keyboards- usually the ones with sequencers- are kept off the network- using closed systems helps me to think differently. I've put up a few PZM boundary mics in the control room and the live room that I have permanently connected to some older TL Audio tube channels- I'm always flipping phase and doing silly things with them. There is a send to a small speaker mounted in my antique upright piano in the room upstairs with a mic positioned on the bass end of the piano strings that I can send audio to and then 'reamp' via the piano. It isn't always good but it is never boring. Last week I mic'ed up the back of the air conditioner and keyed that to the kick drum to great effect. How is that for "industrial"? Jim --Apple-Mail-7--1030020568 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jun 30, 2007, at = 9:39 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

This is wise advice.=A0 Especially as during = recording I tend to harbor doubts about the validity of my = work.

I have several = "workstations" in my studio and home and have a bunch of oblique = strategies.

The= main control room has the big console, HD rig and all the = outboard.
It demands a certain approach- the more conventional = one.

I also = have two different computers with controller keyboards each running = different software.
I don't sync them with the HD rig- just = use them for sound design.

In my live room I have a = dedicated looping guitar rig and a 2 track recorder (actually a = computer).
In=A0 the living room I have my powerbook, Live, = Max/MSP and a large collection of sample material = (movies).
There are old computers- Atari, C64 and Amiga each = running various bits of software in my spare room.
They are = fun to go to when all else fails- the C64 particularly as I have to code = in hex and assembly.
It takes ages to do anything so I have to = choose carefully.

Several keyboards- usually = the ones with sequencers- are kept off the network- using closed systems = helps me to think differently.

I've put up a few PZM = boundary=A0 mics in the control room and the live room that I have = permanently connected to some older TL Audio tube channels- I'm always = flipping phase and doing silly things with them.

There is a send to a small = speaker mounted in my antique upright piano in the room upstairs with a = mic positioned on the bass end of the piano strings that I can send = audio to and then 'reamp' via the piano.
It isn't always good = but it is never boring.

Last week I mic'ed up the = back of the air conditioner and keyed that to the kick drum to great = effect.
How is that for "industrial"?

Jim
= --Apple-Mail-7--1030020568-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 04:26:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94F9B3BF46; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.11] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070703040655.CE8C13BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Handsonic Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:26:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 04:26:33.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[56080230:01C7BD2A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Hpd-10's spozed to have new sound banks,but the functions are limited.I think the 15 is better . Forget using hand drum technique on it.The techique is more ,like bad typing ,kind of punching with an extended finger.Doesn't play anything like any hand drum, I know of. This might be appealing to nonpercussionists,but could further the dangersous and altogether too common belief that percussion instruments dont; require technique or knowledge.It does do mute/open things and attack sensitivity. It's definately possible to get some very nice stuff out of it. Some of the samples sound good. I 've never been willing to pay 9 bills for a hpd15 ad I wouldn't pay 5 for the 10 ,but I would pay 5 for a used 15,it would be useful for sure.Esp for these SF burningmantribe gigs with massive subwoofers and no monitors _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 04:34:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7DE53BECC; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8C98B18E63B9E9F-10FC-1B93@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C98B18E63B9E9F-10FC-1B93@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--1028346646 Message-Id: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 21:34:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <-4u5MC.A.87F.oHdiGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 04:34:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--1028346646 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Yeah... GREAT article. Now, are you or are you related to Dan Ryman in Marin? richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jul-07, at 4:36 PM, ryman1960@aol.com wrote: > Interesting article: > > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/ > the_record_industrys_decline/print > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. --Apple-Mail-7--1028346646 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Yeah... GREAT article. Now, are you or are you related to Dan Ryman in Marin? Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com On 2-Jul-07, at 4:36 PM, ryman1960@aol.com wrote: Interesting article: Arial0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/the_record_industrys_decline/print AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at 0000,0000,EEEEAOL.com. --Apple-Mail-7--1028346646-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 08:06:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 299603BF43; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <036601c7bd49$16f70c20$e701a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:06:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:06:53 +0000 (UTC) Vista ? ...when everything works , surely ! A frien of mine, who works with computers, told me that there a lot of bugs, or missing drivers. It's like Bill Gates puts on the market a new product, letting "test" it by the customers.... fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 3:52 AM Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? > question:A lot of the new laptops are being now > offered with Win Vista,but some also with XP as an > option, would you buy with vista and replace it with > an xp version and update later to the vista one when > everything works? > Luis > > --- Jon Southwood wrote: > >> That shouldn't be a problem unless you're running >> Parallels while >> simultaneously trying to run the music stuff on the >> OS X side. If you >> normally have Parallels start when you log in, your >> best bet would probably >> be to have two users setup, one that launched >> Parallels at startup for your >> general/non-music stuff and a second user that would >> launch without >> Parallels. Then, Parallels isn't stealing resources >> when you want to do >> audio/music stuff. Of course, it might not even take >> all of that. You might >> just be able to quit Parallels and free up all the >> resources back to OS X. >> (I would hope so, but I'm not sure if Parallels >> leaves any background >> processes running when you quit.) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jon Southwood >> >> On 6/27/07, Qua Veda wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > This is what I expected, I just thought I'd check >> to see. >> > I've been using a MacBookPro running WindowsXP in >> Parallels as part of a >> > pilot program at work. It occurred to me that if I >> bought my own >> > MacBookPro, >> > perhaps personal stuff could be run in >> Windows(Parallels), and music stuff >> > on the MacOS. But I think there would be a >> problem with memory >> > allocation >> > etc so that you'd end up with neither OS taking >> full advantage of the >> > hardware. >> > >> > -Qua >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Krispen Hartung >> [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:40 AM >> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> > Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? >> > >> > Mine is music performance only as well, with the >> exception of accessing >> > the >> > internet for software updates and a few key >> forums, like max/msp, etc. I >> > don't change anything with the settings, so my >> virus checkers, etc, are >> > all >> > intact. >> > >> > I did, however, optimize my configuration for >> music applications, it's on >> > Sweetwater's website and thier PC optimization >> guide. >> > >> > >> > http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ts/detail.php?Index=30058 >> > >> > Kris >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Qua Veda" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:17 AM >> > Subject: Laptops -dedicated to music only? >> > >> > >> > > Question for those of you who use laptops. >> > > Do you dedicate/optimize the laptop for use with >> music/audio/video only? >> > > (i.e. , no email, finances, other personal apps >> that you might use on a >> > > personal computer) >> > > >> > > -Qua >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 02/07/2007 > 15.35 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 08:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D5A3BF45; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e0LXU8G7dacevQHlkcCr8e1nX+LcGjH3yKgJXTo9MVgcCtQB0tDsINcFwpZ1tUjNGdni5yIznRAuPQgu0clvYHk6K6AoQiEntifHTycQsLsuH+8MrA2bNnMZ8z5UXSGXvlUpPPePHAOJB/PQmZwvq99PIjl55v7LhnULj4G18k4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Pghloaewh00DGfbSHAuz4PRhaG6onHq5V/62URfZIX+tpR8i36PEspRKVJCfvlUdZoqM6bX95W6yYpWE0dMbOqPI7SybyqCFiza7qenlsdEr/n8XNnJyEfGc9RDDcvAAi8n3sAKJPp3zPZkpvpUepQyiaaur1hSZ7b5IVu89hhg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 10:07:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5UhWUC.A.-zE.hPgiGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:08:01 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jul 2007, at 03.52, L.A. Angulo wrote: > question:A lot of the new laptops are being now > offered with Win Vista,but some also with XP as an > option, would you buy with vista and replace it with > an xp version and update later to the vista one when > everything works? If everything works under XP I would never update to Vista. If you want to make music with the help of computers the golden rule is to never change a working system. That's the attitude we all have to our musical instruments and that's the secret of getting good at playing them. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 11:54:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F68F3BF23; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:52:21 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for June 30, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <468A3875.9080007@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:54:02 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070630.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #112 June 30, 2007. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Syndrome] Fragments E-dition #14 (Groove) VA [Syndrome] Shift Nine II E-dition #14 (Groove) VA [Syndrome] Avon Lea E-dition #14 (Groove) VA [Syndrome] Beneath the Surface E-dition #14 (Groove) VA [Didymos] Vault E-dition #14 (Groove) VA [Didymos] Morning's Over E-dition #14 (Groove) VA [Didymos] Blueberry Dance E-dition #14 (Groove) Orion's Belt Through the Ship The Truth Within (Imagineer) Frank Klare Digitalic Five Digitalic (Groove) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Bruno SanFilippo Piano Textures VIII Piano Textures (Ad21) Denise Young Green Mountain Something You Don't Dream Of.. Meadows (none) Tefero Dormanu Sleep To the Horn, In the Shadow of the Mountain Awake to the Flute (none) Pheo Rose Breathe Soul Bridge (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kaipa The Glorious Angling Feelings (InsideOut) Silence Within Puppet Show On Second Thought The Tale of Woe (Progrock) Karfagen The Great Circus The Space Between Us (Unicorn Digital) Karcius Highway To the Moon Sphere (Unicorn Digital) Karcius Synapse Sphere (Unicorn Digital) Karcius Back To Earth Sphere (Unicorn Digital) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on July 14. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:04:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42B9A3BF3E; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:04:10 EDT Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183467850" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:04:18 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183467850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2007 4:08:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, perboysen@gmail.com writes: If everything works under XP I would never update to Vista. If you want to make music with the help of computers the golden rule is to never change a working system. That's the attitude we all have to our musical instruments and that's the secret of getting good at playing them. I totally agree with this. I actually had Vista (came with a new computer I purchased) and at the time almost no one save Motu supported it. Most music specialty companies have come online with driver support in the last 4 months but I still wouldn't want the hassle of all the uncertain configuration issues with the OS itself. I am thinking it will take another 1-2 years or so to get the OS bugs worked out of the system itself via Microsoft. Of course we have to allot the necessary time needed to give the industry music computer engineers and developers a chance to tweak the Vista system for optimum compatibility and performance. There is one KILLER advantageous feature that Vista offers however. USB Plug n play virtual RAM. Now *that* smokes! Can you imagine a laptop with 2 gig of maxed ram becoming a 4 or 6 gig system in an instant? 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-------------------------------1183467850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:23:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEB663BF45; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:23:55 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: LoopersDelight Subject: New looping work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <7MdJ_B.A.lY.t3kiGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Hello! The set that I played last June at Electro-Music 2007 included two works with looping. One of the works, entitled "Three-Legged Race" consists of solo Theremin and multiple-synchronized loops. To listen and learn more about this work follow go to: http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml The set was well-recieved and my efforts now are to create more works that are done in real-time without pre-recorded elements. "Three-Legged Race" is the "pure" Theremin tone with loops. My upcoming work will incorporate additional techniques that includes pitch-shifters, harmonizer, various filters, and longer delay times. Hope you enjoy this track. Thank you for listening. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:28:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2753BF2E; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 548658536 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:28:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203FD8184@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Thread-Index: Ace9dhXtnNRLRar8Tmq/M4wOR/pM/g== References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 13:28:48.0038 (UTC) FILETIME=[163F3460:01C7BD76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:28:59 +0000 (UTC) >>I'm not sure if Parallels leaves any background processes running when you quit.<< just saw this, so sorry for the delayed response. it definitely does not; when you close your VM (in my case, w2k sp4) & quit parallels, it's as if it was never there. there's a chunk of HD gone, obviously, but even this is only as much as the VM is actually consuming. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:31:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 932493BF2F; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 738894619 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: it's in G, G Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:31:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203FD818B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4689604F.9000603@unguitar.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: it's in G, G Thread-Index: Ace9dnC+7Z2nFA3FRKOOrQR8wKgCAw== References: <4689604F.9000603@unguitar.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2007 13:31:20.0284 (UTC) FILETIME=[70FE19C0:01C7BD76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:31:25 +0000 (UTC) http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf surely this qualifies as loopage? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 13:46:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D78393BF4F; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004301c7bd78$7cc68a60$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <8C98B18E63B9E9F-10FC-1B93@WEBMAIL-DC11.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:45:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 13:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, Systems here got taken down by weird circumstances much of the week. Thankfully my query about Recording software resulted in yet more reasons why I continue to subscribe to this list! Thanks for all who responded. Guess I'll stick with good old Cool Edit for now, but having used CE for so long I felt it stupid not to find out. Well, thanks to you I did! Thanks again. Hm, I have yet to read the article, though it'll probably be quite interesting whatever it says. Also, it would seem from the source of this message that AOL/Yahoo are putting scripts in the emails their users produce now. Naughty! Is it possible for LD to filter out such things as this, and Rich Text? ----- Original Message ----- From: ryman1960@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, 3 July, 2007 00:36 AM Subject: Record Industry Decline Interesting article: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/the_record_industrys_decline/print AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 14:14:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F2F3BF44; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18uBcNXxiEuafhodBC9mRHc6+E8SAtW96r35KFlwM KWYbvv+T4BZMFJ Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: live looping with ableton live Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:14:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <3D1Qk.A._wC.tmliGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 14:14:05 +0000 (UTC) I've just downloaded a demo version of Ableton Live (version 6). I'm considering using it for live looping. Can anyone get me started (manuals, setup, general advice etc.)? Best regards from Switzerland Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:03:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C3513BF4C; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:03:08 EDT Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183478588" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:03:18 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183478588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2007 10:14:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nicosp@gmx.net writes: I've just downloaded a demo version of Ableton Live (version 6). I'm considering using it for live looping. Can anyone get me started (manuals, setup, general advice etc.)? I am thoroughly, completely and not so shamefully addicted to LIVE 6.0. It's great for live looping but there is a good deal to understand before going nutz with it. It's hands down the easiest and most friendly sequencer out there. You will need a couple basic pieces of equipment to use LIVE, but they are so basic to this craft that they are "musts" anyhow. This is the place to start. What all do you have at this point Nico with respect to equipment that you plan on using when you "play out"? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183478588 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/3/2007 10:14:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 nicosp@gmx.net writes:
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(manuals, setup, general advice etc.)?
I am thoroughly, completely and not so shamefully addicted to LIVE 6.0.= =20 It's great for live looping but there is a good deal to understand before go= ing=20 nutz with it. It's hands down the easiest and most friendly sequencer o= ut=20 there. You will need a couple basic pieces of equipment to use LIV= E,=20 but they are so basic to this craft that they are "musts" anyhow.
 
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-------------------------------1183478588-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:15:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E62063BF54; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203FD818B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: RE: it's in G, G Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:15:50 +0200 Message-ID: <007e01c7bd8d$6e097360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ace9jHh+PQ3DaYCwSrOCYE0o9nUz9QAANw4A In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203FD818B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:15:59 +0000 (UTC) > http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf > surely this qualifies as loopage? erm, yes, I'd say it does -Michael :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:35:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A28D3BF5C; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RDNHkwANipKuCM9V3kyHaJmYMzsc90R7IDCRnHn210MHZmHyCbPSkrIyVSkxRRtWaOLKwC0FGNcpmVTcWTRfoe7QIhG9kK48NvC+pY+iFgiJFIoEByL53Iv6CYcGaTrNSuyAkaLNCD1MPK6+cSi1Mz4uXVl7t3uN65caLIAzY0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ij7rXk8D7fl5/WvDWtB7eAUfWWuZ7YIQvhEC8xuRYHKplVLNpg/qbGV6qaVLMDDGihDyJL05Iaa5H7GkvaLnEv+spNN4aBoRMA92BxeQAKn+AkHUIt0mGrTDZkneQKpLfslNFDCjIuyf4W3K8uuyXd4iaOgPMd5bR+wGxZkH6bs= Message-ID: <4759e5740707030935i57a6c45bw9729f13591c6416f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:35:32 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: it's in G, G In-Reply-To: <007e01c7bd8d$6e097360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12736_1061887.1183480532995" References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7203FD818B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <007e01c7bd8d$6e097360$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:35:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12736_1061887.1183480532995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hoofage-loopage On 7/3/07, Michael Peters wrote: > > > http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf > > surely this qualifies as loopage? > > erm, yes, I'd say it does > > -Michael :-) > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_12736_1061887.1183480532995 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hoofage-loopage



On 7/3/07, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf
> surely this qualifies as loopage?

erm, yes, I'd say it does

-Michael  :-)




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_12736_1061887.1183480532995-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:39:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8524E3BF57; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=OfP7D0/tRugFlAhYqPtT/BAJeAFHbcNE8WYw+slDOf+tZARd1du7KpLoKGCSieb/e/H+0iZe9S21rT9W7VX5XmnFeXmEyizpda/j2Cyt3GSTpEULTd5jTm72KqC7aZwcXOc2POASZ5l/WusjH2YY+ZJAuqyTR+Jyu2Ie5oih+fs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=sN68o7ilIkRJt8zPzdLb/ygfjKuV6Xh/7Yyrr7RH31oA7LQQJjvNtqUoOCWr92ipFXXdGol/cZ8tZqdHRTyPNhWyg1N4X4ByqkASgRiT6xnJ7Z4L5IKaiAqQLN78Cpl3h5OFDyHjZn8vGehMBLd5VLurZ4q7dSeQSIlS8JTJk6Q= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0707030939j296e741bh589815e2fb3a4f94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:39:36 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using RC50 as an AUX Loop on a Mixer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_103630_12412252.1183480776975" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:39:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_103630_12412252.1183480776975 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Any of guys using the RC50 as an Aux loop on a mixer for additional looping capabilities? I'm short a few inputs and am trying to do this, but can't seem to get the levels on the send/returns right. Anybody have any recommendations? I have a Mackie Onyx 1220. Thanks, Dan -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_103630_12412252.1183480776975 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Any of guys using the RC50 as an Aux loop on a mixer for additional looping capabilities?
I'm short a few inputs and am trying to do this, but can't seem to get the levels on the send/returns right.
Anybody have any recommendations?

I have a Mackie Onyx 1220.

Thanks,
Dan



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http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_103630_12412252.1183480776975-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:50:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 613E13BF0E; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070703115026.2n0jyjj02s0g8wkk@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:50:26 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using RC50 as an AUX Loop on a Mixer References: <55e79c0d0707030939j296e741bh589815e2fb3a4f94@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0707030939j296e741bh589815e2fb3a4f94@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Dan Katayama : > Any of guys using the RC50 as an Aux loop on a mixer for additional looping > capabilities? > I'm short a few inputs and am trying to do this, but can't seem to get the > levels on the send/returns right. > Anybody have any recommendations? Dan, I have had success using the INST input with the INST Input Level at the 9 o'clock position and the Master Level all the way up (5 o'clock position). Since the Mackie puts out a line level signal, to use the INST input (which supports instrument level) requires a comparably low input level setting. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 16:56:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874B03BF60; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Using RC50 as an AUX Loop on a Mixer Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:56:47 +0000 Message-Id: <070320071656.8364.468A7FCF00008E92000020AC2212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8364_1183481807_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:56:49 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8364_1183481807_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thats how I use it. The problem I'm having is my mixer, a DFX12 only has a mono send to a stereo return. So I have to use it in mono. Not a huge deal, but slightly annoying. I have my guitar connected to channel 1. I then have send number 1 connected to the input of the RC 50. All send and return levels are set to "0" The output of the RC50 is to channel 2. The output from the loops are all set to "sub out". So the only time audio from the RC50 is heard is when a loop is running. Live guitar is heard through channel one. This is like setting the mix control on an Echoplex to loop only. It works great. Levels are controlled on the mixer after basic seetings on the RC50 are set. I can then pan live guitar and loops a little left/right to clean up the mush that can sometimes happen. Also eq can help. The cool part about using the sends on a mixer, is I can now use the looper to loop vocals, drums, and keys. And all connections are pure and clean. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Dan Katayama" > Any of guys using the RC50 as an Aux loop on a mixer for additional looping > capabilities? > I'm short a few inputs and am trying to do this, but can't seem to get the > levels on the send/returns right. > Anybody have any recommendations? > > I have a Mackie Onyx 1220. > > Thanks, > Dan > > > > -- > kosukeweb > http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8364_1183481807_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using RC50 as an AUX Loop on a Mixer Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:39:38 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8364_1183481807_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8364_1183481807_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Any of guys using the RC50 as an Aux loop on a mixer for additional looping capabilities?
I'm short a few inputs and am trying to do this, but can't seem to get the levels on the send/returns right.
Anybody have any recommendations?

I have a Mackie Onyx 1220.

Thanks,
Dan



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http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8364_1183481807_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8364_1183481807_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:28:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D69563BF28; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:30:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/EdijKKPQXcCHiy6NJaRbL1oPU3jrqXeOQ5ZM jL0ZOT54nGfCw6O4oqYJGFiKmmVz4ioJCw5WOnneVW3CVGHAZH LN0gY1ZzGJwDYQjXKlMnA71mjIY3gXf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:28:30 +0000 (UTC) hi nico, live has GREAT tutorials. check them out and you will know your way around it. also watch the introductory movies on ableton's site. you can activate an information window in the low left corner that explains everything you lide over with the mouse. the first tutorial will probably explain to you how to activate it (i believe it's a small triangle on the low border. maybe someone else from the list could give you (and me) a little "how to" about using live as a looper? smooth looping! tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico spahni" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: live looping with ableton live > I've just downloaded a demo version of Ableton Live (version 6). I'm > considering using it for live looping. Can anyone get me started (manuals, > setup, general advice etc.)? > > Best regards from Switzerland > > Nico > > www.recpro.ch > www.myspace.com/nicospahni > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 19:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29DE3BF4C; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:58:10 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <69ERCC.A.VOC.XpqiGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:58:15 +0000 (UTC) - live sucks as a sync slave - live can't overdub - live doesn't have the "First Loop Capability" - but you can use Augustus Loop or Mobius as plugins search the archives, e.g. http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200506/msg00042.html Bernhard On 03.07.2007, at 21:30, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > maybe someone else from the list could give you (and me) a little > "how to" about using live as a looper? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:15:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2024A3BF4D; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:15:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gB/nmAnIN9fgg96p0foAB/SKeAukO0eXLi/G69oRAX8tXNKNjLg+YhNKs4Kpb3bnEo+4kulBtpy9Nmgwm7mGtGhr61T131xos7rQT4wt7+xoB5Zt0hKTZY1jOe+LYXB6B4PLG4VN5mZpwDRsfyIFqVTn9MtdfaocdPB2gdGGqYQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UjLqwGK5I89WlxO+MUh9LP47x9XYGvovjaGtcn5mN4myjUU6FUGsIGGsKgsf5ZjzXFl8I+/wT3mTxsa/+XFBksgeiQU73HCiu0TNhgnMcld8opugkDT6tVhcPV7EOpAeaA/VbvD8vawhHS+TNJDzTBSvNqCAtxCDNG0qournl3g= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:15:28 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live In-Reply-To: <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a1e6f03a37df39b7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:15:31 +0000 (UTC) more on Live's sync shortcomings: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200611/msg00009.html That said, I use Live pretty much exclusively, but then I don't sync it to anything else :) I find Live good for my particular style of looping, which relies on the fact that I'm usually not looping myself - and so have time to drive Live (with a mouse etc.). I imagine it would be quite hard to use Live if you're just a solo guitarist (say), but I know it's been done. Normally I use a combination of Live and Augustus Loop - Live for straight repetitions of phrases, Augustus for more 'evolving' stuff. To each his own. If you're looking for an Echoplex substitute though, Live ain't it. cheers, os. On 03/07/07, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > - live sucks as a sync slave > - live can't overdub > - live doesn't have the "First Loop Capability" > - but you can use Augustus Loop or Mobius as plugins > > > search the archives, e.g. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200506/msg00042.html > > Bernhard > > On 03.07.2007, at 21:30, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > > > maybe someone else from the list could give you (and me) a little > > "how to" about using live as a looper? > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:32:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E59903BF4C; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uJED1jkslN0tWZwmNLd+hz7ZYhQF/14aByAu3uHXF2NgOoXoy3fNrkK36YYx1E9bM+l/Kg3Nc3oAp9UI5jUkVosKPalxzFW2nPHQgyFGpmcP/mA3uesD61ze5OvkYAmDEovlfLTyouRN6CZaUMSXMAG3A0uOX0L4DY2I6GGHCVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=osr/Q8C8m4cj3zI2DIarXc5kaZmvoy+PXsgEW1nbriTHcsnu6CnR2DJ/hGkEUqc4HbVeIdW85SRER+rN+mKFTnh4rsg6+FxoAQ1hi5dVAOINViC+plYZ2ijo1vqEJbcozd/Jn7hlkWEaDRoS4oVCfndCY8NBgO6dARqn+kq/z8A= Message-ID: <4759e5740707031332x6cf7a506w3cc835e4f6795c25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:32:06 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13481_3690128.1183494726456" References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:32:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13481_3690128.1183494726456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I concur with Os. however... live plus sooperlooper is an awfully good situation... almost an oberheim killer... and the sync is completely accurate cuz you're syncing to live's clock from within it, using the software looper. here's a tune done with nothing but live and SL and in a live performance to boot. I'm not a solo guitartist, but rather a solo violinist. http://toddreynolds.com/op/OP_IcySleeves.mp3 all best, todd On 7/3/07, Os wrote: > > more on Live's sync shortcomings: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200611/msg00009.html > > That said, I use Live pretty much exclusively, but then I don't sync > it to anything else :) > > I find Live good for my particular style of looping, which relies on > the fact that I'm usually not looping myself - and so have time to > drive Live (with a mouse etc.). I imagine it would be quite hard to > use Live if you're just a solo guitarist (say), but I know it's been > done. > > Normally I use a combination of Live and Augustus Loop - Live for > straight repetitions of phrases, Augustus for more 'evolving' stuff. > > To each his own. If you're looking for an Echoplex substitute though, > Live ain't it. > > > cheers, > os. > > > > On 03/07/07, Bernhard Wagner LD > wrote: > > > > - live sucks as a sync slave > > - live can't overdub > > - live doesn't have the "First Loop Capability" > > - but you can use Augustus Loop or Mobius as plugins > > > > > > search the archives, e.g. > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200506/msg00042.html > > > > Bernhard > > > > On 03.07.2007, at 21:30, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > > > > > maybe someone else from the list could give you (and me) a little > > > "how to" about using live as a looper? > > > > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_13481_3690128.1183494726456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I concur with Os.  however...

live plus sooperlooper is an awfully good situation... almost an oberheim killer... and the sync is completely accurate cuz you're syncing to live's clock from within it, using the software looper.

here's a tune done with nothing but live and SL  and in a live performance to boot.  I'm not a solo guitartist, but rather a solo violinist.

http://toddreynolds.com/op/OP_IcySleeves.mp3

all best,

todd



On 7/3/07, Os <os@collective.co.uk> wrote:
more on Live's sync shortcomings:

http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200611/msg00009.html

That said, I use Live pretty much exclusively, but then I don't sync
it to anything else :)

I find Live good for my particular style of looping, which relies on
the fact that I'm usually not looping myself - and so have time to
drive Live (with a mouse etc.). I imagine it would be quite hard to
use Live if you're just a solo guitarist (say), but I know it's been
done.

Normally I use a combination of Live and Augustus Loop - Live for
straight repetitions of phrases, Augustus for more 'evolving' stuff.

To each his own. If you're looking for an Echoplex substitute though,
Live ain't it.


cheers,
os.



On 03/07/07, Bernhard Wagner LD
<loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@ bernhardwagner.net> wrote:
>
> - live sucks as a sync slave
> - live can't overdub
> - live doesn't have the "First Loop Capability"
> - but you can use Augustus Loop or Mobius as plugins
>
>
> search the archives, e.g.
> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200506/msg00042.html
>
> Bernhard
>
> On 03.07.2007, at 21:30, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote:
>
> > maybe someone else from the list could give you (and me) a little
> > "how to" about using live as a looper?
>
>


--
os@collective.co.uk
http://www.collective.co.uk/
http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband




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toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_13481_3690128.1183494726456-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 20:35:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94D5B3BEEC; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ce01c7bdb1$f4b126a0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:37:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19DOGREVjsSIOmB9wAVK29031l04M/dNN7cdjI b/hZudL8ATWWl1VQQRWUzIMGi1Bmzzl6XYekanZB+ezoPlvarL oIRjviBuCbWNEtM3vKNi5WhqdnRk2l5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) yes, you are absolutely right. i'll refrain from using live as long as there is no "first loop capability". tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live > > - live sucks as a sync slave > - live can't overdub > - live doesn't have the "First Loop Capability" > - but you can use Augustus Loop or Mobius as plugins > > > search the archives, e.g. > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200506/msg00042.html > > Bernhard > > On 03.07.2007, at 21:30, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> maybe someone else from the list could give you (and me) a little "how >> to" about using live as a looper? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 21:14:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7196E3BF25; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:14:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:14:56 +0000 (UTC) At 9:15 PM +0100 7/3/07, Os wrote: >more on Live's sync shortcomings: > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200611/msg00009.html > >That said, I use Live pretty much exclusively, but then I don't sync >it to anything else :) Aside: sorry, I think I knew the answer to this, but I can't remember at the moment.... :P Does Live's slave-sync silliness also extend into syncing to external devices (via MIDI Clock), or does this only affect syncing to hosted plugins? Thanks! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 21:27:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B8DE3BF4C; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Uk9gjIDJyUtC6498vINOA09c7jzaeSsaXAtrK9mc/t57jy3CrlmdVOYMpL9jETvUnMdIGTt8i9b0MbvqetBnh9iNIzFybCMmDblWYmkt5n4iYCoEJBqcZrwjFpQRSigpEzxqiEhIWzZnaOdEbla1N+cnveu3vju58n+RjYlNKj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SltG7wViLiHhF8KD9CQO5WJ/iWtwVeT7/s3yCUgbsufBAXKEfNKmiRUF06WfUeUTn3zVq9BrdvMlbLl8qG1o9lZ5r+2LTTUw/lSltr8L63ZSStjwgW3S70UON12erY5DL75zHUUjEupe7c2+jp0oeHLWGVpMzYp01VmhBb5cRw4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:26:52 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4a0c99ef623dd656 Resent-Message-ID: <_MTmU.A.gYH.m8riGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Live doesn't have a mechanism to sync to plugins as such - Augustus Loop is essentially pretending to be an external MIDI device in order to make this work. So, in short, yes, it extends to syncing external devices. cheers, os. On 03/07/07, Mech wrote: > At 9:15 PM +0100 7/3/07, Os wrote: > >more on Live's sync shortcomings: > > > >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200611/msg00009.html > > > >That said, I use Live pretty much exclusively, but then I don't sync > >it to anything else :) > > Aside: sorry, I think I knew the answer to this, but I can't remember > at the moment.... :P > > Does Live's slave-sync silliness also extend into syncing to external > devices (via MIDI Clock), or does this only affect syncing to hosted > plugins? > > Thanks! > > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of > murder... later" > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 21:34:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B74133BF4B; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:34:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:34:16 +0000 (UTC) At 10:26 PM +0100 7/3/07, Os wrote: >Live doesn't have a mechanism to sync to plugins as such - Augustus >Loop is essentially pretending to be an external MIDI device in order >to make this work. > >So, in short, yes, it extends to syncing external devices. Frack, that's what I was thinking. But I was hoping I was wrong about that. Just grabbed a Ztar, and was hoping I could use its MIDI Looping capabilities as a sync master for Live. Looks like I'll still have to deal with the same old issues. Thanks for the quick response, Os! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 23:00:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2A993BF4D; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=l0vqlCHeUpxOAmPCliARPICAjRT22vpwa1HWsVbxU/q2aj2Jf3HIz+fAUVZUerMJawYIJ7J5kU1PIZ43/jjVO7hYYRc2RTNVYvGF1nrmgHfIEDHyMRyXsA19vuhaLLLgEk86R9I2bSYj9Ag1KVzRpw3dQDa1BJk2lXY/ClmhgoY=; X-YMail-OSG: gShbUYwVM1lkBj48t6L_O2VqrXPW0FcCf0RWe7rEK4O.2OShacXBXdiYzS9cDKv3ikRJwqfZ9390po4v9czOVI98BA-- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:00:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: bows for guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang, id like to start experimenting with bows which work better for guitars and can you spare some techniques string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique particulary exciting,any other artists out there? thanx! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 3 23:02:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0291F3BF51; Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lK1dCTyJV21Bx62ih+sbJYSkAMJJMcfzK6dhlebdJiQoO5nwI5y7Y5D4unWSFmydx/2FnTypS7P1dyNxA5qbDh25u4sA8Lgx+8wodb783m9xsxygTJ3K9uKorbzOzXPxwY7ZKwbiwe9W0VC9vtRlGU4PQE2KUa0A/vCgrvUROwU=; X-YMail-OSG: eglWpS4VM1mF19Y4Iq4AUQVs9lfp8oV6iuk7zi2BBFiUkFWLySxN6b1btFSC8m7kPJdncO49PeVaYalOiXdQhvn8NUpnLw.2CXfR98TrQ26dF0otKeO9ABhxxGQjmA-- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <770972.17186.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 23:02:46 +0000 (UTC) wow! > > There is one KILLER advantageous feature that Vista > offers however. USB Plug > n play virtual RAM. Now *that* smokes! Can you > imagine a laptop with 2 gig > of maxed ram becoming a 4 or 6 gig system in an > instant? 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Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:02:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF8B3BEC5; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707041648.l64GmSlK064072@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: edp help Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:48:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7BE20.7ACFFB30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace+Wyb856jFKU6BRGeUh7RkTdZXEQ== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:02:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7BE20.7ACFFB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear EDP mavens, a friend of mine is having trouble mapping feedback and volume to the two expression pedals on his FCB101. I haven't done this in so long and I can't even find the CC message table in my downloaded off the web one sided EDP manual. I can show him how to map midi note numbers but not CC's Someone please , help me help this poor brother..... Bill ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7BE20.7ACFFB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear EDP mavens, a friend of mine is having trouble = mapping feedback and volume to the two expression pedals on his FCB101. I = haven’t done this in so long and I can’t even find the CC message table in = my downloaded off the web one sided EDP manual. I can show him how to map = midi note numbers but not CC’s

 

Someone please , help me help this poor brother………….

 

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7BE20.7ACFFB30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:08:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E755B3BF04; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "Leander Reininghaus" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Walter_Br=FChn?= Subject: no loopage here Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:16:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c7be02$dac5da00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ace+AtnVyWcwM+n1TI653ohwB34nGg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:08:27 +0000 (UTC) http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=3344948192478887654&hl=de no loops involved here, but some of you might enjoy it anyway :-) This is a 17 minute video from a 2004 gig with Tonlabor (sound lab), showing several very scientific experiments with sound (that's why we have to wear goggles) This is me in the middle -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2191A3BEF6; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: live looping with ableton live Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:29:36 -0700 Message-ID: <005601c7bdd2$69a21440$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Thread-Index: Ace9ueh27eJaPFzvTQukNyAHTDmnGQAGGx5g In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0n62DD.A.NrC.60AjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, but just make sure your tempo is a whole number and it will work. -----Original Message----- From: Mech [mailto:mech@m3ch.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 2:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live At 10:26 PM +0100 7/3/07, Os wrote: >Live doesn't have a mechanism to sync to plugins as such - Augustus >Loop is essentially pretending to be an external MIDI device in order >to make this work. > >So, in short, yes, it extends to syncing external devices. Frack, that's what I was thinking. But I was hoping I was wrong about that. Just grabbed a Ztar, and was hoping I could use its MIDI Looping capabilities as a sync master for Live. Looks like I'll still have to deal with the same old issues. Thanks for the quick response, Os! --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:12:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 296F03BEF0; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:08:15 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e76461e7c86c13f8 Resent-Message-ID: <51GFeB.A.uwC.Y1AjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:12:57 +0000 (UTC) The guy from Sigur Ros uses bowed guitar quite extensively. os. On 04/07/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars and can you spare some techniques > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? > thanx! > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:15:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EE9B3BF20; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707040356.l643uNSp065494@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: EDP Help Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 20:56:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BDB4.A0B61940" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace970sDNADAV1O9Sge/w/WvUGn7rA== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:15:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BDB4.A0B61940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear EDP mavens, a friend of mine is having trouble mapping feedback and volume to the two expression pedals on his FCB101. I haven't done this in so long and I can't even find the CC message table in my downloaded off the web one sided EDP manual. I can show him how to map midi note numbers but not CC's Someone please , help me help this poor brother..... Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BDB4.A0B61940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear EDP mavens, a friend of mine is having trouble = mapping feedback and volume to the two expression pedals on his FCB101. I = haven’t done this in so long and I can’t even find the CC message table in = my downloaded off the web one sided EDP manual. I can show him how to map = midi note numbers but not CC’s

Someone please , help me help this poor = brother………….

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C7BDB4.A0B61940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:16:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2FE3BF1E; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: bows for guitars Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:42:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:16:17 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jul 2007, at 01.00, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars and can you spare some techniques > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? > thanx! > Luis Most guitarists seem to like the cello bow best. Myself I went for that size by recommendation, but I have not really tried a different type. More important than string gage is the shape of the guitar's body to actually make it possible to get at the strings with the bow in a comfortable way. On Fender guitars it's generally hard to bow because the plane of the fret board is so close too the top of the body, so you are constantly risking to hit the side of the guitars body with the bow instead of the string. On my Stratocaster I can only bow the lowest E string without major effort. The way bowed instruments are built they have a much more convex finger board than any guitar has, so that's why it's so difficult to bow only one strings, especially one of the center strings. The trick here is to mute other strings with your left hand rather than being picky about not bowing non intended strings by mistake. Least problem are with the E strings that are on the sides and as such gives you a better bowing angle. To get a good vibration you need to grease the bow with wax an this grease is ruining the strings completely for any normal guitar playing. Therefore it's a good idea to use the bow last during a recording session because afterwards you need to take a brake to put on new strings ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:19:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA34B3BF28; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 13:51:35 -0500 To: From: Mech Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:19:06 +0000 (UTC) At 9:30 PM +0200 7/3/07, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >maybe someone else from the list could give you (and me) a little >"how to" about using live as a looper? Hrm, reading through a bit of backlogged email, and it occurs to me that it would probably be nice to stop hijacking threads and actually post something useful. Here's a couple of things I've had bookmarked. This is a link to a tutorial from the Ableton boards on how to set up Live for Live Looping: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63839 And here's one that shows you how to do something similar using the Mackie Controller emulation: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30237 Both of these are PC-centric, and frequently make reference to Bomes Translator. If you're over on the Mac side, you can probably hack something similar using MIDIPipe. Hope that helps some.... --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:25:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF68B3BF2A; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <71f79dbe2637f8a161f25d3a015dd77c@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ted Killian Subject: Re: bows for guitars Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 11:04:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Well, there's the guy from the Icelandic band Sigur Ros, he seems to use a bow a lot. On Jul 03, 2007, at 16:00, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars and can you spare some techniques > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? > thanx! > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:31:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B3C13BF44; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.43.110.52 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=SzD3klzGA9MOe7Ja1LYA:9 a=pO7oRHtJYJJonagW0-lS5oRNizQA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,495,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="5631446" Message-ID: <468B52AF.5020108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:56:31 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:31:29 +0000 (UTC) hi Luis. The basic problems are 1) the body of the guitar gets in the way 2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs to be curved, so you can access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs to be curved too) so the only good solutions I know are 1) a custom built instrument 2) ebow ;-) 3) there's a technique I sometimes used for bass which would work with guitar, only works for the two outside strings and not that easy to co-ordinate, but I can share that if you like. http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter has a custom instrument. andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars and can you spare some techniques > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? > thanx! > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:31:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1683BF5E; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <0D2BCD95-1587-432D-AFDD-C6A148925160@bernhardwagner.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:08:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:31:30 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Os wrote: > I imagine it would be quite hard to > use Live if you're just a solo guitarist (say), but I know it's been > done. I don't use Live's looping functions (mobius does what I need) but honestly, if you don't think it can be played as an instrument, check out the Kid Beyond videos on the Ableton site. I've seen him perform many times and if you didn't know what he was doing it would seem like all the looping was done on the floor. > > Normally I use a combination of Live and Augustus Loop - Live for > straight repetitions of phrases, Augustus for more 'evolving' stuff. > > To each his own. If you're looking for an Echoplex substitute though, > Live ain't it. Yes, but the combo of all those things... makes it so much more. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:46:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 091913BF1E; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.13] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070704210247.8F46B3BEF9@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bows Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:46:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2007 21:46:24.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4979F20:01C7BE84] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) I've never tried bowing a guitarI don't want anyone to think I'm influenced by Page But I do,under,the influence of Emil Richards bow the keys of Vibraphones and Marimbas,cymbals Richards bows gongs,which I've tried but the bow I have is for a fiddle ,and inadequteI really need a cello or bass bow. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From notice@PayPal.com Wed Jul 4 21:46:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1384 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:46:31 UTC Received: from ewspanels.com (mail.ewspanels.com [70.103.82.163]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AB53BF00 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([80.21.125.190]) by ewspanels.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Jul 2007 06:07:45 -0600 Reply-To: From: "PayPal" Subject: We recently noticed one or more attempts to log in to your PayPal account from a foreign IP address. 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PayPal Email ID PP00145 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 21:47:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 593AF3BF12; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WEMjiIA6R4HFWg4A223cq6uNgNX4XU2GHvrTE+Uu8lihmXfvjA0qbPiD3MNMcVvxeS32D+x2faECNa5UcMzOtn1TNjMSlZ6naRHCQKNopBXFjk8bq0oPZt6WCm3UoUJJgCOc7dfzeTND33ZTBFEHcGR7a5sp1xFR98M0gfjgUlQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uSV7WudLYUNeK1Y8A+CeO6oi59o8/crMpdGSoMxLWf4OECSWFqsiUNT90y/wKwLjbzfCFN6DSCmsnfhVZxtMreM2fclX6wJJeQb3fFoA3yJn5B24Mcu4/90F9bONy86dtwXzOzEBH47ovdqRVzUCPKRZ2LUKP+3/RG458tL1Vso= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <30C96E0B-B2C8-4A35-8913-981F7149148F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: bows for guitars Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:46:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2cO27.A.reF.WVBjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 21:47:02 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 4, 2007, at 2:08 AM, Os wrote: > The guy from Sigur Ros uses bowed guitar quite extensively. On the dvd "Touch the Sound," a sound journey with Evelyn Glennie, there is a segment or two with Fred Frith bowing guitar. I seem to recall that the guitar he was using was an archtop but I'm not sure. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-30Z5-Lwyag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVO-ZSWFa7E http://www.dailymotion.com/yapruder/video/4006596 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:03:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5123BF46; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:26:43 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c7bdd2$05dc3d50$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Thread-Index: Ace9xkYQXYGifoaRRHOVRgzGZABQDAAC6JLg In-Reply-To: <770972.17186.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Why is that good? Wouldn't your hard drive be faster than external = drives? -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? wow! > =20 > There is one KILLER advantageous feature that Vista > offers however. USB Plug=20 > n play virtual RAM. Now *that* smokes! Can you > imagine a laptop with 2 gig =20 > of maxed ram becoming a 4 or 6 gig system in an > instant? An elephant ain't the=20 > only beasty in the local jungle soon destined to > never forget. =20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:03:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB2A83BF56; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=HyUiIBAVrB4VMqURftNT9PWl9tRcxwfb/jhEnN3k3FDF9lT1JRLeDmH3HSnjGWYXn/+Ak+n5dt6WEtBpUgPY8q2MQ3K5jJDbQ1pPJIvN9jLJTuuiWR7jxJOQ7Ldp8TYLS0bhbsx+DPms7m9hnOUrcljJ5pRwqQNW9DwTwJYN1fs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=WcVdVAO8otd7+7rTDJKutsog4cQS0TOeTFmZgdCSU3byt+IaCvS1P9Wl6dk5/rzQ/rCvyzBj/dKX7SEgAbDWNMELhj+xooAMIWQsZ2vC+M/PBbLuRDSYbRjQeFfch7dTUN8ox/Iyt3JKQK+zHaS4rociCjDNfNtNDDVqS42PXQU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3F4AF0D9-4DC6-4E91-9E3F-5714441A997F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: extreme bow usage Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 15:03:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Bowing the great fences of Australia: http://jonroseweb.com/index.html regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-30Z5-Lwyag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVO-ZSWFa7E http://www.dailymotion.com/yapruder/video/4006596 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:26:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 090A13BF4C; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=v7wVD39O5E2pqtgIta/IT4L/3m0EcxWmC+19eqWr94hqFYCGpS8IMQZCRs3ij0KrpYT0Gby4h72ebyIn9JQKwG5QmAp3ZSo7s5wi8NZ+pyNGpVVsdiSAfkke0gxzokvdbFydUAxp1cdQHnTIeM+8I11xLj5oTtS+3WbZUI6Qy4U=; X-YMail-OSG: dpUsSk8VM1n8cNlq.413T8xIEHJ1Vn5PLTbLpbEKupztNw0TcVqy9CsdFKMLYyhgJg-- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: bows for guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <358498.21184.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, There are at least two of us on this list using bows; Per Boyson and me. (If you follow the link in my sig file to my CDBaby page, the track 'Ether' on the album 'animalvegetablemineral' has cello-bowed looped guitar as a background bed.) As far as well-known players, Jonsi (I forget his last name) from Sigur Ros comes to mind as a player who incorporates bowing as an integral stylistic element rather than just as a maker of eerie noises. (I just wish Sigur Ros would do instrumentals, though; I absolutely love their instrumental sound, but I can only take Jonsi's cooing falsetto in small doses. :P) The biggest obstacle to arco guitaring is the relative flatness of the guitar's string radius. Only the outside E strings are available for single note playing. Also, some flatter-bodied guitars (ie. Fenders) make it hard to dig in with the bow without contacting the guitar's body. (Per, I know you bow a Strat; what's your approach?) I modified a Les Paul Jr. with deep waist cutaways, very heavy flatwounds and a steeper neck angle/higher bridge to facilitate bowing, but it doesn't do much to allow bowing of individual notes from the inner strings. (This is the same guitar, nicknamed 'mjolner', you can hear looping in the background of 'ether'...) -t- --- "L.A. Angulo" wrote: > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars and can you spare some techniques > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:33:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7F373BF12; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:20:55 +0200 From: "nico spahni" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070704072055.32030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SDvsDYpuSnnCT8Znamt1K9mNsSHcsMJQ+VUNrx+ 8t3T3XY5dUGRV5O7iN2MJ+MYV6HV6WZTD61w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: AC/5ZudteSEqSGPeeXQhgwB+IGRvbwDT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to everyone for their helpful comments. Reading your posts I'm beginning to wonder what the added value to a new setup (including Live) would be. My current looping setup includes SL and Augustus Loop hosted in RAX (plus a number of quirky plugins) and controlled via FCB1010. I guess I should add that I mainly loop myself and can't do too much knob tweaking because I need to pluck a string every now and then :-). What additional benefits would the combination SL, Augustus Loop and Live have? Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:03:08 EDT Von: BreachinThePeace@aol.com An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: live looping with ableton live > > In a message dated 7/3/2007 10:14:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > nicosp@gmx.net writes: > > I've just downloaded a demo version of Ableton Live (version 6). I'm > considering using it for live looping. Can anyone get me started > (manuals, setup, general advice etc.)? > > > > > I am thoroughly, completely and not so shamefully addicted to LIVE 6.0. > It's > great for live looping but there is a good deal to understand before going > > nutz with it. It's hands down the easiest and most friendly sequencer out > there. You will need a couple basic pieces of equipment to use LIVE, but > they are > so basic to this craft that they are "musts" anyhow. > > This is the place to start. What all do you have at this point Nico with > respect to equipment that you plan on using when you "play out"? > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:38:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BED893BF58; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707040222.l642MTKx002858@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> From: "list2" To: "LoopersDelightlist (LoopersDelightlist)" Subject: Headrush delay trails? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:21:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7BDC0.829DAB10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ace94glBMWn86FJQQsaSlRikzv56Ig== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <40KEIB.A.ay.QFCjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:38:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7BDC0.829DAB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I am a longtime lurker and greatly appreciate all I have surreptitiously learned over the years. I've searched the archives without success and must come out of hiding to ask a question of my own. I am considering buying a Headrush (E2). I already own a DL4 and plan on picking up a V3 'Rang when they hit the streets, so I'm looking at the E2 primarily as a delay (with the added bonus of its looping capability.) My question: While using the E2 in delay mode, will delays trail away when the pedal is bypassed (like the DL4 in "alternate bypass" mode) or will they cut off abruptly (like the DL4 in "factory default" mode)? Thanks, hoby ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7BDC0.829DAB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings,

 

I am a longtime lurker and greatly appreciate all I have surreptitiously = learned over the years. I’ve searched the archives without success and = must come out of hiding to ask a question of my own.

 

I am considering buying a Headrush (E2). I already own a DL4 and plan on = picking up a V3 ‘Rang when they hit the streets, so I’m looking at the = E2 primarily as a delay (with the added bonus of its looping = capability.)

 

My question: While using the E2 in delay mode, will delays trail away when = the pedal is bypassed (like the DL4 in “alternate bypass” mode) = or will they cut off abruptly (like the DL4 in “factory default” = mode)?

 

Thanks,

 

hoby

 

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7BDC0.829DAB10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:42:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A1603BF57; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+X7adhKgeXld9lkB7Mhp7NLs6nquEnbZ1TT9eJ8B LJy9CudIaElHWa Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--906954559 Message-Id: From: nico spahni Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 16:17:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:42:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--906954559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks to everyone for their helpful comments. Reading your posts I'm beginning to wonder what the added value to a new setup (including Live) would be. My current looping setup includes SL and Augustus Loop hosted in RAX (plus a number of quirky plugins) and controlled via FCB1010. I guess I should add that I mainly loop myself and can't do too much knob tweaking because I need to pluck a string every now and then :-). What additional benefits would the combination SL, Augustus Loop and Live have in stall for me? Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni --Apple-Mail-1--906954559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII VerdanaThanks to everyone for their helpful comments. Reading your posts I'm beginning to wonder what the added value to a new setup (including Live) would be. My current looping setup includes SL and Augustus Loop hosted in RAX (plus a number of quirky plugins) and controlled via FCB1010. I guess I should add that I mainly loop myself and can't do too much knob tweaking because I need to pluck a string every now and then :-). What additional benefits would the combination SL, Augustus Loop and Live have in stall for me? Nico 2424,4E4E,7E7Ewww.recpro.ch 2424,4E4E,7E7Ewww.myspace.com/nicospahni --Apple-Mail-1--906954559-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:52:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 795F93BF58; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Ra8IHQD/+tbfV8FCkpHYtUCnl3wP3e1JaPPjatRrbaA8nbF+WIbtTGvPARFpVh+/ICbObLKjYWxRr7Knwe4mSE+0mt9mYeTTMMJPgE45PxbiC3otvuSWeR826hGuDH7tj38L9clD7hgCfFc14RuIMz8fXpoEzoawKyC/ZG5HFyE=; X-YMail-OSG: 5.3szPAVM1lAQbezg_N2xgeiw80hiKA8yd5EH4AvmWZgi3MZMF8hJ0g_2mDkzpy6YvMk5K0uF.3JfpVwZZmfvpFuxidvuKj5I4YhIwIuU29wn_jzDXmbm9rUEV0yfw-- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Kinda OT: Fulltone Soul Blender To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-548892520-1183507753=:16732" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <682889.16732.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:52:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-548892520-1183507753=:16732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yazzah! I saw a mention of the above in an article about Genesis-specifically regarding Steve Hackett's tone. Some say that the Soul Blender can mimic the tone SH used a lot with Genesis and today for that matter. I was going to pop for one on eBay. Has anyone any experience with this "fuzz tone" (in a matter of speaking)? THX! Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. --0-548892520-1183507753=:16732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Yazzah!
 
I saw a mention of the above in an article about Genesis-specifically regarding Steve Hackett's tone. Some say that the Soul Blender can mimic the tone SH used a lot with Genesis and today for that matter. I was going to pop for one on eBay. Has anyone any experience with this "fuzz tone" (in a matter of speaking)? THX!
 
Regards, Paul


Got a little couch potato?
Check out fun summer activities for kids. --0-548892520-1183507753=:16732-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 22:52:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D90C3BF5D; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--876061760 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Looperlative video... Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:52:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: <0dEkhB.A.9pB.FTCjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:52:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--876061760 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed howdy loopists Here's a funky ii-V improv thing I did on a friend's bass at a house concert in Dallas a couple of weeks ago - gives an example of what you can do with the scramble function on, if you're interested... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nadirgovjTo cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-4--876061760 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
howdy = loopists

Here's a = funky ii-V improv thing I did on a friend's bass at a house concert in = Dallas a couple of weeks ago - gives an example of what you can do with = the scramble function on, if you're interested...


cheers

= http://steve.anthropiccollec= tive.org - = blog
www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson



= --Apple-Mail-4--876061760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 23:27:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A811E3BF55; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.13] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070704224213.7D11A3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: bowing Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:27:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2007 23:27:44.0659 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC8E2630:01C7BE92] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Per said you use wax on the bow,I assume he means Rosin,which increases friction which is what violin and other string players use..I think wax would tend to make the bow slide more smoothly, making it harder to get a sound. Bows are usually made from horstails .One could possible construct one to suit one's needs. There's a busker in SF named Michael Masely who invented this way of playing hammer dulcimer/santur/cymbalom type instruments.He has the regular sort of hammers,with the striking surface extended a bit and horse hair glued in such a way that he can either strike the string,or bow it,He has these rigged to fit over his fingertips and employs sevreal at a time. No less a personage than Nicholas Slonimski,of Scale Thesaurus fame was impressed enough to include him in his history of 20th century music.Not bad for a busker. _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 23:28:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5E7F3BF64; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.13] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070704224213.7D11A3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: bowing Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:27:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2007 23:27:59.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[F59E1870:01C7BE92] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Per said you use wax on the bow,I assume he means Rosin,which increases friction which is what violin and other string players use..I think wax would tend to make the bow slide more smoothly, making it harder to get a sound. Bows are usually made from horstails .One could possible construct one to suit one's needs. There's a busker in SF named Michael Masely who invented this way of playing hammer dulcimer/santur/cymbalom type instruments.He has the regular sort of hammers,with the striking surface extended a bit and horse hair glued in such a way that he can either strike the string,or bow it,He has these rigged to fit over his fingertips and employs sevreal at a time. No less a personage than Nicholas Slonimski,of Scale Thesaurus fame was impressed enough to include him in his history of 20th century music.Not bad for a busker. _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 23:31:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C1913BF64; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FJQ1gnHpUBXDOg7gr79pkDxl1Ung8vrWUQqQQW9PdRy1EC0ic2KzUZZx0U37Xs81006ocS3wNNg1/S7IrwhT3+mYlkPabhv25L7UOtSFImvuNQi2lfS0RudI2sJ4nGmZ3lW62q21Mcb5IwnycsIYi2kmibjNzMGksrfwnjwOAxo=; X-YMail-OSG: o.2hdagVM1nP0D9RNidVlM.a.BK26KFWgn3uWsrR5tDW9vNFnCEtdNvA1qxqvi5UR9tWmmiZo6bot8mo8g7sdhVC7h.pSdoLmhW75n3JjePtP7iB4S4mDfuzWnRk4g-- Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, i personally think the record companies strarted screwing themselves whenthey came out with CDs at double the price of LPs even though the unit production cost was the same. Add to that the RIAA wanting to tax blank tape and recording machines and you can see that their own greed is the major factor of their downfall. I think. Rig --- Richard Sales wrote: > Yeah... GREAT article. Now, are you or are you > related to Dan Ryman in > Marin? > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > On 2-Jul-07, at 4:36 PM, ryman1960@aol.com wrote: > > > Interesting article: > > > > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/ > > the_record_industrys_decline/print > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out > more about what's > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 4 23:42:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EFAA3BF60; Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3EB37A6A-8156-4B4B-8D8F-E6DA1F3BF184@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: bows for guitars Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:06:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 23:42:22 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2007, at 4:00 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars Hi I've heard good things about these: http://www.incredibow.com/ regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-30Z5-Lwyag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVO-ZSWFa7E http://www.dailymotion.com/yapruder/video/4006596 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 00:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67AA93BF66; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <682889.16732.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <682889.16732.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Fulltone Soul Blender Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:22:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <80j-ZB.A.TIH.FlDjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:20:22 +0000 (UTC) It's a great pedal. Does Led Zep stuff real well, too, imo. There are usually plenty of samples on the Fulltone site. Search The Gear Page for reviews/clips also. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 00:27:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1733BF62; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005601c7bdd2$69a21440$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <005601c7bdd2$69a21440$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:27:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: live looping with ableton live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:27:53 +0000 (UTC) At 5:29 PM -0700 7/3/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Yeah, but just make sure your tempo is a whole number and it will work. Well, I was hoping that the MIDI Looper in the Ztar should be able to do "first loop" capability (although, that's an assumption: the axe doesn't actually arrive until Friday, and I'm still trying to puzzle through the manual). If I'm required to set a tempo manually, you're absolutely right; your tip should work with no problem. If I'm lucky, though, I should be able to whack out a MIDI sequence and loop it the same as any other first loop device. Of course, then I have to deal with Ableton's flakiness. :P Please, somebody shoot me.... --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 00:31:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF7AD3BF6E; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtYjACjYi0ZKiNpMR2dsb2JhbACPIAEBPwE Message-ID: <002201c7be9b$e2ff29d0$4cda884a@preferre4ca07a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3EB37A6A-8156-4B4B-8D8F-E6DA1F3BF184@gmail.com> Subject: Re: bows for guitars Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:31:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:31:53 +0000 (UTC) At hte NAMM show last year, I played one of these things: http://www.bowedguitar.com/ The "Togaman". Wow, EXTREMELY cool. Tuned like a guitar, with arched frets and bridge. You can stop the strings either in mid-air or by pressing against the frets. Sounds like an electric violin. I was really impressed. Sounds great and relatively easy to play. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "RP Collier" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: Re: bows for guitars > > On Jul 3, 2007, at 4:00 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> id like to start experimenting with bows which work >> better for guitars > > Hi > > I've heard good things about these: > > http://www.incredibow.com/ > > > regards > > BobC > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-30Z5-Lwyag > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVO-ZSWFa7E > http://www.dailymotion.com/yapruder/video/4006596 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 00:51:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0F543BF65; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:51:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:51:08 +0000 (UTC) At 4:17 PM +0200 7/4/07, nico spahni wrote: > >My current looping setup includes SL and Augustus Loop hosted in RAX >(plus a number of quirky plugins) and controlled via FCB1010. I >guess I should add that I mainly loop myself and can't do too much >knob tweaking because I need to pluck a string every now and then >:-). > >What additional benefits would the combination SL, Augustus Loop and >Live have in stall for me? Nico, Last year, I did an A/B comparison between both Live (version 5) and Rax (whatever the final version was before Plasq stopped producing it) as a host. I keep looking for a more streamlined, pared-down host than Ableton (I don't use nearly all its functions), but keep getting dragged back to it again and again. I stuck with Live over Rax for the following reasons: CPU usage: believe it or not, Live is actually more CPU efficient than Rax (by about 5-10% on average, in a Powerbook G4 1.67MHz). This is based on loading the same VST/AU's into each host, in a similar configuration. Even without Rax's visualizer running, Live was generally easier on the CPU, even though its more feature-laden. Support for Multi-Output Interfaces: At the time, I was doing a lot of effect loops out the spare interface jacks to/from external hardware. Always had a problem with getting Rax proprely configured there. Routing: Very few pieces of software have as flexible a routing scheme as Live. There's no problem with patching any source or effect into any other source or effect on the fly, even doing splits and submixes or send/insert effect chains. Now, one thing I don't remember testing on Rax was whether it had the slave-sync idiosyncrasies that plague Live, so that could be a point in Rax's favor. Finally, I went back over to Live before Plasq discontinued it so I don't remember for certain, but did they ever put out a Universal Binary version of Rax? I was thinking that they might have ceased development before a UB version was released. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 00:51:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C295C3BF6E; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707050051.l650pn8G004560@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> From: "list2" To: Subject: Headrush delay trails? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:50:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7BE7D.01FF0C70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ace+noinvKYb7MWaQCyEsj/veZU4kA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:51:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7BE7D.01FF0C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, I am a longtime lurker and greatly appreciate all I have surreptitiously learned over the years. I've searched the archives without success and must come out of hiding to ask a question of my own. I am considering buying a Headrush (E2). I already own a DL4 and plan on picking up a V3 'Rang when they hit the streets, so I'm looking at the E2 primarily as a delay (with the added bonus of its looping capability.) My question: While using the E2 in delay mode, will delays trail away when the pedal is bypassed (like the DL4 in "alternate bypass" mode) or will they cut off abruptly (like the DL4 in "factory default" mode)? Thanks, hoby ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7BE7D.01FF0C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings,

 

I am a longtime lurker and greatly appreciate all I have surreptitiously = learned over the years. I’ve searched the archives without success and = must come out of hiding to ask a question of my own.

 

I am considering buying a Headrush (E2). I already own a DL4 and plan on = picking up a V3 ‘Rang when they hit the streets, so I’m looking at the = E2 primarily as a delay (with the added bonus of its looping = capability.)

 

My question: While using the E2 in delay mode, will delays trail away when = the pedal is bypassed (like the DL4 in “alternate bypass” mode) = or will they cut off abruptly (like the DL4 in “factory default” = mode)?

 

Thanks,

 

hoby

 

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7BE7D.01FF0C70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 01:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF163BF52; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=M1qIij/dBiQ2PkGOi9PSnxO9+F2MGhGf0KoV6peFrimIK32cvhnjdiPlGDGuGL6k/lkqTzgOl/YvvxHf/5U4thebKHY2PwaXHi0iNy2JVGLFsL1pMUJZP2NSs3YzFsYuhDFfgtwAq0pLR/pC5/0wM9mz4GeBxfhnUQD40Kf0AZI=; X-YMail-OSG: JRzB1I0VM1nwyCdTiHYrRvxgmKJgAZ.VJqGTyTCxz6NRSsZFtn4ZTBPRy6UEhwKktODK0vfUENz.AfprANY4i36UM6MQz.8A7.uYYUUvQQhzLnPnRxpucT2HVKGC Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: bows for guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002201c7be9b$e2ff29d0$4cda884a@preferre4ca07a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <462929.84753.qm@web43143.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:18:55 +0000 (UTC) That's very cool. It's basically the same as an arpeggione (although electrified and solid-bodied), an instrument which enjoyed some popularity a few hundred years ago that allowed guitarists to double on a cello-like instrument; it was essentially a fretted guitar with a tightly radiused fingerboard and a narrow waist for bowing. -t- --- Mark Smart wrote: > At hte NAMM show last year, I played one of these > things: > > http://www.bowedguitar.com/ > > The "Togaman". Wow, EXTREMELY cool. Tuned like a > guitar, with arched frets > and bridge. You can stop the strings either in > mid-air or by pressing > against the frets. Sounds like an electric violin. I > was really impressed. > Sounds great and relatively easy to play. http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 01:48:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE4FA3BF7A; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009101c7bea6$8b06dd80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: bows for guitars Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:48:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis, I've been bowing things for many years and currently own several bows. A few salient things that might interest you: 1) Suzuki makes very small bows for their graduated size violins for their method of teaching little kids. I went into Sylvain music and bought the very smallest bow that they sold for $25 and it has become my favorite of all of my bows (I have bass bows, cello bows, regular sized violin bows, tiny Suzuki bows and a bowed psaltery bow). It is by far the cheapest bow you can purchase. I just resin the hell out of it when playing bass, guitar, mandolin, banjo, oud or saz http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/sux2bepoor/2031.jpg?vvid=65324393&sp=1 2) Barry Cleveland, the fine guitarist and writer for Guitar Player magazine just told me he is saving his money becausea guy in Los Angeles is making a curved fretboard 'ViolGuitar', a six string normally tuned guitar with a curved bridge that is designed expressedly for bowing. I'll find out more from him about it. Barry uses a lot of bow on his CDs and did the other night if I"m not mistaken when we played together with Michael Manring and Robert Powell. He has several fine ones out and debuted at the Y2K6 loopfestival last year and will be playing again this year, thankfully http://www.barrycleveland.com/. 3) Using a traditional guitar, barr chords and or one of those beautiful rolling capos it's really great to throw a guitar into open tunings so that you can bow across the entire surface of the bow. 4) I use a bowed psaltery bow that I had customized (but which you could purchase through Lark in the Morning in California) that is a bowed symmetrical bow (curved shape). I customized mine by going out and finding the thinnest brass plating I could possibly find and then wrapping part of the curved wooden part of the bow. This creates an ersatz slide that allows you to use three techniques in one piece of music 1) turn it upside down and use it to 'hammer' the strings like a hammered dulcimer. (the small curved body is excellent for bouncing off the strings) 2) you can just bow the strings conventionally or 3) you can turn the bow upside down and use the brass portion as a slide By tuning a mandolin into an open tuning (I'm just in love with DADE because of it's lydian barr harmonics and sus2 feel) you use both hands to play the instrument in a drone line fashion (it's great for creating really intriguing loops that are, nonetheless, open ended to play anything on top of because they aren't dense harmonically speaking. I use a blue plastic tiki martini skewer as a hammer in one hand and my psaltery bow in the other to create different kinds of rhythmic or pad styled textures. Additionally, just to make it even more idiosyncratic, I prepare the mandolin with alligator clips and bicycle chains but then tune it to an open tuning once the instrument is prepared. It's a great droning timbre with all of these different kinds of strikes. I just wish that the wonderful Cimbalon player Michael Masley would sell his inventions..........he has invented hammered dulcimer hammers that have small curves bow at the very ends that velcro onto his fingers. Check his amazing music out for some ethereal bowed goodness. www.artistgeneral.com ************ and one last thought, Did you ever see the keyboardist Lyle Mays play with Pat Metheny back in the original days of his quartets on ECM records? He was fond of tuning an autoharp to open tunings, putting a mic on it and then occasionally strumming a lush chord over the top of his acoustic piano playing with a pic and his left hand. It was a lovely and ethereal sound. It occurred to me that the same thing could be done with simple children's zithers that are sold lots of places. These are cheap instrument (usually from $20-$40 each) and they are small.................you could easily put contact mics on a couple of them and tune them to some cool chords and just bow them or strike them at different places during your sets. Hey, I think I'm going to do that right now. I"ve collected a bunch of them Good luck with your bowing. love, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 01:54:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6F13BF75; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gxXpJeQUqZp7GyPK7Il5W/1npeW6btS833+Bxr1qiVJpaIvc35Kdyuhfv2D/Ac4P5dF+JMBM0Y48aVs7ZWPC8W1++KSzRehzDBt2vSrjTlfJW6BS8zTD+CTeOh6297SVYpLjn99T84bhr0wAONuZDODAdZU08FXzw6NK43eYpXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=E1UACtTit+gPJ8XlMbRcmu69yNh8fC0H5rtaWolqYcmM2ZxsbB8b9x6zK5Rfp8xxZrAw3GhBzVfVeadUjHLYb371hQgK4gawy2L5WYhFYa/b07OY44cczilqmyZ8o8Kn5btc0yJTooBI2sSOdZyrkKBzL14o7oIbwbVTjLwQFhI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:54:20 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars In-Reply-To: <009101c7bea6$8b06dd80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_84097_12517459.1183600460609" References: <009101c7bea6$8b06dd80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 01:54:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_84097_12517459.1183600460609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I had one of these: http://www.piranhaguitarbow.com/ I never got anything remotely satisfactory out of it. There's also an electric Gamba someone is making -- heck, I'm on the internet -- just a sec.: http://www.ruby-gamba.com/mainpage.html On 7/4/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > Hey Luis, > > I've been bowing things for many years and currently own several bows. > > A few salient things that might interest you: > > 1) Suzuki makes very small bows for their graduated size violins for > their > method > of teaching little kids. I went into Sylvain music and bought the very > smallest bow > that they sold for $25 and it has become my favorite of all of my bows (I > have bass > bows, cello bows, regular sized violin bows, tiny Suzuki bows and a bowed > psaltery bow). > It is by far the cheapest bow you can purchase. I just resin the hell > out > of it when playing > bass, guitar, mandolin, banjo, oud or saz > > http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/sux2bepoor/2031.jpg?vvid=65324393&sp=1 > > 2) Barry Cleveland, the fine guitarist and writer for Guitar Player > magazine just told me he is > saving his money becausea guy in Los Angeles is making a curved fretboard > 'ViolGuitar', > a six string normally tuned guitar with a curved bridge that is designed > expressedly for bowing. > I'll find out more from him about it. Barry uses a lot of bow on his CDs > and did the other > night if I"m not mistaken when we played together with Michael Manring and > Robert Powell. > He has several fine ones out and debuted at the Y2K6 loopfestival last > year > and will be playing > again this year, thankfully http://www.barrycleveland.com/. > > 3) Using a traditional guitar, barr chords and or one of those beautiful > rolling capos > it's really great to throw a guitar into open tunings so that you can bow > across the entire > surface of the bow. > > 4) I use a bowed psaltery bow that I had customized (but which you could > purchase through > Lark in the Morning in California) that is a bowed symmetrical bow (curved > shape). > > I customized mine by going out and finding the thinnest brass plating I > could possibly find > and then wrapping part of the curved wooden part of the bow. This > creates > an > ersatz slide that allows you to use three techniques in one piece of music > 1) turn it upside down and use it to 'hammer' the strings like a hammered > dulcimer. > (the small curved body is excellent for bouncing off the strings) > 2) you can just bow the strings conventionally or > 3) you can turn the bow upside down and use the brass portion as a slide > > By tuning a mandolin into an open tuning (I'm just in love with DADE > because > of it's lydian barr harmonics > and sus2 feel) you use both hands to play the instrument in a drone line > fashion (it's great for creating > really intriguing loops that are, nonetheless, open ended to play > anything > on top of because they aren't > dense harmonically speaking. I use a blue plastic tiki martini skewer > as > a hammer in one hand > and my psaltery bow in the other to create different kinds of rhythmic or > pad styled textures. > > Additionally, just to make it even more idiosyncratic, I prepare the > mandolin with alligator clips and bicycle > chains but then tune it to an open tuning once the instrument is prepared. > > It's a great droning timbre with all of these different kinds of strikes. > > I just wish that the wonderful Cimbalon player Michael Masley would sell > his > inventions..........he has invented > hammered dulcimer hammers that have small curves bow at the very ends that > velcro onto his fingers. > > Check his amazing music out for some ethereal bowed goodness. > www.artistgeneral.com > > ************ > and one last thought, Did you ever see the keyboardist Lyle Mays play > with Pat Metheny back in the original days of his > quartets on ECM records? He was fond of tuning an autoharp to open > tunings, putting a mic on it and then > occasionally strumming a lush chord over the top of his acoustic piano > playing with a pic and his left hand. > It was a lovely and ethereal sound. > > It occurred to me that the same thing could be done with simple children's > zithers that are sold lots of places. > These are cheap instrument (usually from $20-$40 each) and they are > small.................you could > easily put contact mics on a couple of them and tune them to some cool > chords and just bow them or strike them > at different places during your sets. Hey, I think I'm going to do > that > right now. I"ve collected a bunch of them > > Good luck with your bowing. > > love, Rick > > ------=_Part_84097_12517459.1183600460609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I had one of these:

http://www.piranhaguitarbow.com/

I never got anything remotely satisfactory out of it. There's also an electric Gamba someone is making -- heck, I'm on the internet -- just a sec.:

http://www.ruby-gamba.com/mainpage.html






On 7/4/07, RICK WALKER < looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Hey Luis,

I've been bowing things for many years and currently own several bows.

A few salient things that might interest you:

1)  Suzuki makes very small bows for their graduated size violins for their
method
of teaching little kids.     I went into Sylvain music and bought the very
smallest bow
that they sold for $25 and it has become my favorite of all of my bows (I
have bass
bows, cello bows,  regular sized violin bows, tiny Suzuki bows and a bowed
psaltery bow).
It is by far the cheapest bow you can purchase.    I just resin the hell out
of it when playing
bass,  guitar, mandolin, banjo, oud or saz
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/sux2bepoor/2031.jpg?vvid=65324393&sp=1

2)  Barry Cleveland, the fine guitarist and writer for Guitar Player
magazine just told me he is
saving his money becausea guy in Los Angeles is making a curved fretboard
'ViolGuitar',
a six string normally tuned guitar with a curved bridge that is designed
expressedly for bowing.
I'll find out more from him about it.   Barry uses a lot of bow on his CDs
and did the other
night if I"m not mistaken when we played together with Michael Manring and
Robert Powell.
He has several fine ones out and debuted at the Y2K6 loopfestival last year
and will be playing
again this year,  thankfully     http://www.barrycleveland.com/.

3) Using a traditional guitar,   barr chords and or one of those beautiful
rolling capos
it's really great to throw a guitar into open tunings so that you can bow
across the entire
surface of the bow.

4) I use a bowed psaltery bow that I had customized (but which you could
purchase through
Lark in the Morning in California) that is a bowed symmetrical bow (curved
shape).

I customized mine by going out and finding the thinnest brass plating I
could possibly find
and then wrapping part of the curved wooden part of the bow.   This creates
an
ersatz slide that allows you to use three techniques in one piece of music
1)  turn it upside down and use it to 'hammer' the strings like a hammered
dulcimer.
    (the small curved body is excellent for bouncing off the strings)
2)  you can just bow the strings conventionally or
3)  you can turn the bow upside down and use the brass portion as a slide

By tuning a mandolin into an open tuning (I'm just in love with DADE because
of it's lydian barr harmonics
and sus2 feel)  you use both hands to play the instrument in a drone line
fashion (it's great for creating
really intriguing loops that are, nonetheless,  open ended to play anything
on top of because they aren't
dense harmonically speaking.    I use a blue plastic tiki martini skewer as
a hammer in one hand
and my psaltery bow in the other to create different kinds of rhythmic or
pad styled textures.

Additionally, just to make it even more idiosyncratic,  I prepare the
mandolin with alligator clips and bicycle
chains but then tune it to an open tuning once the instrument is prepared.

It's a great droning timbre with all of these different kinds of strikes.

I just wish that the wonderful Cimbalon player Michael Masley would sell his
inventions..........he has invented
hammered dulcimer hammers that have small curves bow at the very ends that
velcro onto his fingers.

Check his amazing music out for some ethereal bowed goodness.
www.artistgeneral.com

************
and one last thought,    Did you ever see the keyboardist Lyle Mays play
with Pat Metheny back in the original days of his
quartets on ECM records?      He was fond of tuning an autoharp to open
tunings,  putting a mic on it and then
occasionally strumming a lush chord over the top of his acoustic piano
playing with a pic and his left hand.
It was a lovely and ethereal sound.

It occurred to me that the same thing could be done with simple children's
zithers that are sold lots of places.
These are cheap instrument (usually from $20-$40 each) and they are
small.................you could
easily put contact mics on a couple of them and tune them to some cool
chords and just bow them or strike them
at different places during your sets.    Hey,  I think I'm going to do that
right now.  I"ve collected a bunch of them

Good luck with your bowing.

love, Rick


------=_Part_84097_12517459.1183600460609-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 02:14:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0F693BF7A; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 16:08:35 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0cBQ1.A.TJE.NQFjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Exciting bowed guitar? Try Sigur Ros. The problem with bowing a guitar is that "proper" bowing technique requires a much more curved bridge radius (and corresponding fretboard radius) than production guitars feature. One solution to this is the BoTar: http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm TH On 7/3/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars and can you spare some techniques > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? > thanx! > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 02:38:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1546E3BF7F; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rQREqzzrIUQjPIokWI6E7OhR5r+Ej0Xjgk7fAb1C20OGzYJPeILqo5G2W91UJ/CX84AD8kZz6MnZJtKchYZ5PmHJ25RIxNoR3GmBAxiyB8x4tlQ0KRajac8I7Q3Fbpe1S19vct52i4YesgeakPB6mbCwmmqWNcxGZ+Krcz79E9U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T4UWnPEz2qdcVMzJEqMg8au2WMzsceSrA6XCkqzq9lm0f1zKobEpy3YNa3lH7kDa+6xM/t/Z3te2OHW2/bNJ8sfbRriCbCf9ujC9yL5HNNkGEvQGonyAvRLm//GVxpyNcgF6gEd5wA6FpuexKbAjnicucvrs/BGMe9EH/tEUfDc= Message-ID: <9e0440a60707041938h5e4950y64327570d5b0bcf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:38:56 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-Reply-To: <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_118613_24990359.1183603136876" References: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:38:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_118613_24990359.1183603136876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I would concur with Bill. I'm sure there is much fear in the traditional brick and mortar industry. Though harder to realize income and exact marketing the Internet has truely provided a "chance" for all who will enter. Happy 4th to all on LD. Jim www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com On 7/3/07, bill bigrig wrote: > > Howdy, > > i personally think the record companies strarted > screwing themselves whenthey came out with CDs at > double the price of LPs even though the unit > production cost was the same. Add to that the RIAA > wanting to tax blank tape and recording machines and > you can see that their own greed is the major factor > of their downfall. I think. > Rig > > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > > > Yeah... GREAT article. Now, are you or are you > > related to Dan Ryman in > > Marin? > > > > richard sales > > glassWing farm and studio > > vancouver island, b.c. > > 800.545.6846 > > 250.752.4816 > > www.glassWing.com > > www.richardsales.com > > www.hayleysales.com > > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > On 2-Jul-07, at 4:36 PM, ryman1960@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Interesting article: > > > > > > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/ > > > the_record_industrys_decline/print > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out > > more about what's > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_118613_24990359.1183603136876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I would concur with Bill. I'm sure there is much fear in the traditional brick and mortar industry.  Though harder to realize income and exact marketing the Internet has truely provided a "chance" for all who will enter.
 
Happy 4th to all on LD.
 
Jim


 
On 7/3/07, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy,

i personally think the record companies strarted
screwing themselves whenthey came out with CDs at
double the price of LPs even though the unit
production cost was the same. Add to that the RIAA
wanting to tax blank tape and recording machines and
you can see that their own greed is the major factor
of their downfall. I think.
Rig


--- Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

> Yeah... GREAT article. Now, are you or are you
> related to Dan Ryman in
> Marin?
>
> richard sales
> glassWing farm and studio
> vancouver island, b.c.
> 800.545.6846
> 250.752.4816
> www.glassWing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
> On 2-Jul-07, at 4:36 PM, ryman1960@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Interesting article:
> >
> > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/
> > the_record_industrys_decline/print
> >  AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out
> more about what's
> > free from AOL at AOL.com.
>




____________________________________________________________________________________
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MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
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Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
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New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_118613_24990359.1183603136876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 02:59:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 769123BF77; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FYuTjk4AxfWLB5voaBbH8qBDtSELDBmsrDEUh6Al3K5BgKltR0Jd7by5/2pcqm9xV5DMr2UmzbEfadbqYQIDyU50Y8VSmXcXyTf3RYgwtEu69k3q0jaW6nozEOj40V62Ntx3dGptdGetSco0XjfbXEbJbKtqNiSqsEX0S7RPw/4=; X-YMail-OSG: ArnPSLsVM1n_ynxoN9ZQZyj1_IoMVywDYvYrs9Bxh1JiQ9YgV9HkKDlAyIrk8txVqoxu4b3u9yvu09Hf2VQzfNmUcf6ODebGjFXuVb.acKK3V.ARlkThUg_nrvVfq3A2 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 19:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Fulltone Soul Blender To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <682889.16732.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <734352.7316.qm@web54207.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3Mtp5.A.lBG.L6FjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:59:23 +0000 (UTC) I have one. Great 60s Jeff Beck sounds. It's my favorite Fulltone pedal. -jan --- Paul Richards wrote: > Yazzah! > > I saw a mention of the above in an article about > Genesis-specifically regarding Steve Hackett's tone. > Some say that the Soul Blender can mimic the tone SH > used a lot with Genesis and today for that matter. I > was going to pop for one on eBay. Has anyone any > experience with this "fuzz tone" (in a matter of > speaking)? THX! > > Regards, Paul > > > > > --------------------------------- > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 04:23:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3AF63BF81; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BC3ED5C-D4AA-4F4E-85A0-E2EAC4F58E2E@infinivert.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: bows for guitars Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 18:06:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Not exactly what you were looking for, but fun to look at anyway: http://www.bowedguitar.com/ http://www.dramm.de/botare.htm http://www.woodviolins.com (fretted 6-string violins and cellos) http://www.piranhaguitarbow.com/ --Josh On Jul 3, 2007, at 6:00 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hi Gang, > id like to start experimenting with bows which work > better for guitars and can you spare some techniques > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? > thanx! > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 04:59:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 489F13BF83; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <770972.17186.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <770972.17186.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6B1EF578-BCDB-4E0F-AB35-330B81E5659C@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:12:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 04:59:28 +0000 (UTC) well, it doesn't quite work that way - the speed of the media being used does not actually match the speed of actual RAM. I wouldn't trust an audio application with ReadyBoost. It is a very cool idea, but no one should be misled in to thinking that it is the equivalent of adding more real RAM. And for systems with >1GB RAM there appears to be no significant performance increase whatsoever, AFAIK. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost Windows Help: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2dhs4g cheers, craig On Jul 3, 2007, at 4:02 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > wow! >> >> There is one KILLER advantageous feature that Vista >> offers however. USB Plug >> n play virtual RAM. Now *that* smokes! Can you >> imagine a laptop with 2 gig >> of maxed ram becoming a 4 or 6 gig system in an >> instant? An elephant ain't the >> only beasty in the local jungle soon destined to >> never forget. > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 05:33:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F92A3BF84; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZiB+84lRG2c6eFC/oC0hXnohimmpUjhTnr8MUoUQIOC+lHUuxJVNsIdM3NLgUCpIVjEyAjgjL9YL3cS7QlUEChN1+E/DCiXA8mAL1owX5teLKBfTiZj6VDkzbOMxY5hzo9cEHt7cZ2CuqGkSVISz15qaD17abpXcEkeq/dENGX4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YRnP5MRH9Kr6tVy+qH+hfrzeMKzTulKSFzrkWfm/x00S8cVPpxVcTu+NzEqCCdDMOHZsHvYBCwSsflJBKnEaHRYzW10xD3ziyHhOknpxKEUl/6AraP6p2v6fm3CaU1lVlZKvRs7q/gsNroYxRZ93vGv0vpXP+J4obOAVJfqOnKg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 22:33:25 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-Reply-To: <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27958_31280892.1183613605557" References: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 05:33:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27958_31280892.1183613605557 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree that the Record Companies have not handled this well, the worst of which was suing people for downloading music from trade sites. But the reason for their downfall is not their conduct, it is the changing world of technology and the fact that music can now be traded so easily, all over the world. Its the internet, nobody's fault really. Its basically no different from being able to record a record on your cassette player in the 70s, except now you can share and trade with thousands of people from your own computer.But the music industry is going to have to scramble to roll with the changes. On 7/3/07, bill bigrig wrote: > > Howdy, > i personally think the record companies strarted > screwing themselves whenthey came out with CDs at > double the price of LPs even though the unit > production cost was the same. Add to that the RIAA > wanting to tax blank tape and recording machines and > you can see that their own greed is the major factor > of their downfall. I think. > Rig > > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > > > Yeah... GREAT article. Now, are you or are you > > related to Dan Ryman in > > Marin? > > > > richard sales > > glassWing farm and studio > > vancouver island, b.c. > > 800.545.6846 > > 250.752.4816 > > www.glassWing.com > > www.richardsales.com > > www.hayleysales.com > > www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com > > On 2-Jul-07, at 4:36 PM, ryman1960@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Interesting article: > > > > > > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/ > > > the_record_industrys_decline/print > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out > > more about what's > > > free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's > Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > > ------=_Part_27958_31280892.1183613605557 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree that the Record Companies have not handled
this well, the worst of which was suing people for
downloading music from trade sites. But the reason
for their downfall is not their conduct, it is the changing
world of technology and the fact that music can now
be traded so easily, all over the world. Its the internet,
nobody's fault really. Its basically no different from being
able to record a record on your cassette player in the
70s, except now you can share and trade with thousands
of people from your own computer.But the music industry
is going to have to scramble to roll with the changes.

On 7/3/07, bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy,
i personally think the record companies strarted
screwing themselves whenthey came out with CDs at
double the price of LPs even though the unit
production cost was the same. Add to that the RIAA
wanting to tax blank tape and recording machines and
you can see that their own greed is the major factor
of their downfall. I think.
Rig


--- Richard Sales <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:

> Yeah... GREAT article. Now, are you or are you
> related to Dan Ryman in
> Marin?
>
> richard sales
> glassWing farm and studio
> vancouver island, b.c.
> 800.545.6846
> 250.752.4816
> www.glassWing.com
> www.richardsales.com
> www.hayleysales.com
> www.blueberryfieldsfarm.com
> On 2-Jul-07, at 4:36 PM, ryman1960@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Interesting article:
> >
> > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15137581/
> > the_record_industrys_decline/print
> >  AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out
> more about what's
> > free from AOL at AOL.com.
>




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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:37:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 07:38:02.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B189E10:01C7BED7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:38:04 +0000 (UTC) >My question: While using the E2 in delay mode, will delays trail away when >the pedal is bypassed (like the DL4 in "alternate bypass" mode) or will >they >cut off abruptly (like the DL4 in "factory default" mode)? they trail off cheers sim _________________________________________________________________ Watch all 9 Live Earth concerts live on MSN. http://liveearth.uk.msn.com From solottoaward3@yahoo.de Thu Jul 5 07:53:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 21741 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:53:10 UTC Received: from caine.easynet.fr (smarthost168.mail.easynet.fr [212.180.1.168]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676633BF7E for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hermes9.mail.easynet.fr ([212.180.1.135] helo=localhost) by caine.easynet.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I5sma-00016H-3A; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:31:48 +0200 Received: from 170.150.0.251 (170.150.0.251 [170.150.0.251]) by webmail.easynet.fr (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:31:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20070704023147.mfo18fzu895www4o@webmail.easynet.fr> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:31:47 +0200 From: surflottry organization Reply-To: claimsagentaward07@yahoo.de To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: Attn: YOU HAVE WON! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 09:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3084B3BF8A; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ROu+92k0P4ISDtkCtQv3TqhbwBt++931r8v4NwF0qz+AkWIAq4xwHbttfcRJNmoaRutXUoE9C+UBpuw1Ql4isMJOoCfIJ7IOYnRo3+V93H+IXrWY3RVFjbQyWcFYNU0atozG4xrCovoc5xxvvfT2GmIEftf7yTriFQo1BIEMErA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WQMss9gseM4Rs6sVQbvWorA60n5nqrgRUG+JIkRmiKR6XNMlA8fjAHjMVNocXyA/E4SZWu1RGFjPJBtBM6j9mD5tRMWb5/DdVw79pAN/FBmCm3k6hbgYy9U2XPftUzMi3ri+adb8FObOK6bLYG7+h1MY1TZw9KUQeJwUhzm1zEg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <358498.21184.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <358498.21184.qm@web43137.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: bows for guitars Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:22:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:22:21 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jul 2007, at 01.43, Tim Nelson wrote: > (Per, I know you bow a > Strat; what's your approach?) Careful positioning of the bow where the guitar's body is carved out does precisely let me bow the lower e string. Picture here: http://www.boysen.se/bilder/press/perboysen2_small.jpg Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 09:33:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E57A33BF93; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tkuB3DWTze5v7Bq4atCTqfKksYmpYjd/X3MiFnsQE2rbeSm5BM5wN9Z5HsOLuxG4mGAtIW6QzDA4UP2lv3sf/Ik8dMxyPqcKlHROAKbvOJ6espXp8BgbnUzt2RM25Zk70P65YgJWYRiQWfQwCA1y5UlJgHiVd9cBz7jYe+x65Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=s5BAEtJHbGyNyNZc5a/VXzjYgNe614rD3H6KOH4SpW4fBfafYpLSz6KMcS5dv1QFsRJb4AZIsqp5PMoiBXIEG/vOag7dmFrqDwM5qoTPOzpuPJyotLq4Zg/LuqZdxElMSTGVHMqnueh77jnR4W0YUj9cCmiq39EES5LxLqdW0hA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BE9E532-E740-4323-A0E8-27DD40E34996@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:32:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:33:02 +0000 (UTC) On 4 jul 2007, at 16.17, nico spahni wrote: > Thanks to everyone for their helpful comments. Reading your posts > I'm beginning to wonder what the added value to a new setup > (including Live) would be. > > My current looping setup includes SL and Augustus Loop hosted in > RAX (plus a number of quirky plugins) and controlled via FCB1010. I > guess I should add that I mainly loop myself and can't do too much > knob tweaking because I need to pluck a string every now and then :-). > > What additional benefits would the combination SL, Augustus Loop > and Live have in stall for me? Short answer: More fun. Long answer: You may have fun with Live's excellent effect plug-ins. You may have fun with Live's excellent audio routing capability. You may have fun with Live's excellent MIDI routing capability; especially if you want to get into binding MIDI clips to your pedals and put the MIDI events for loop control inside those clips. This opens up for designing your own "presets" for sequences of looper actions (just one example: press one pedal button to set the loop to reverse and overdub for one bar and then return from reverse and stop overdubbing). As said by others in this thread Live works best as a looper plug-in host if not synced. So you'd better bind one MIDI pedal to Live's Tap Tempo function. Then to "kick-start" looping: kick four steady pulses on that button and keep on with the fifth kick hitting the pedal you have assigned to overdub or record (depending on which looping plug-in you're using). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:27:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB07E3BF90; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 623545444 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: bows for guitars Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:27:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134077@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <3BC3ED5C-D4AA-4F4E-85A0-E2EAC4F58E2E@infinivert.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bows for guitars Thread-Index: Ace+7xazMDv+OvVfRO+b804BI8Qw5w== References: <3BC3ED5C-D4AA-4F4E-85A0-E2EAC4F58E2E@infinivert.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 10:27:29.0519 (UTC) FILETIME=[16F86FF0:01C7BEEF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:27:31 +0000 (UTC) my guitarist has used a violin bow on his stratocasters for about 12 years on & off. the usual problems are lack of control over which strings you hit, because of the large fingerboard radius & the shape of the body, & horrible squeaky feedback if you hit the strings in the wrong place (with either the bow or your fretting hand) & bow some high harmonics by accident. I'm sure I have some slightly spinal-tap footage of him playing with the bow's tensioner on stage... :-) it's an acquired taste- he tends more towards a gentle drone effect, much as one might achieve with an e-bow if the damn things didn't overload so easily, rather than the hyperactive whooping of jimmy page fame. it can be heard all over our album "zabriskie point". & of course, with his jam man, he can build up mighty droning chords very quickly. lately he's returned to more traditional glissando guitar techniques a la keith rowe/syd barrett/daevid allen/steve hillage et al. I'm trying to get him to write something for wikipedia about this undervalued approach to guitaring.... we were in the front row as the glissando orchestra did their thing last year at the gong unconvention. some of it was excruciating, but I wouldn't have missed it for anything. there are some bassists who have bowed their instruments too- lee jackson (of the nice) used to bow his left-handed vox phantom (or whatever it was- teardrop-shaped, anyway, & with a very slim neck, all of which helped, but he still had the squeaking problem occasionally) & I'm pretty sure I've seen jack bruce doing this too, on his little gibbo. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 10:32:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50EBE3BF8A; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:30:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <468CC85E.1060106@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:32:50 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Jim Cole and Spectral Voices. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Coalescence" on Spectral Spiral. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jul Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 12:07:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FFB63BF92; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:07:43 EDT Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183637263" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:07:52 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183637263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/4/2007 5:31:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sine@zerocrossing.net writes: I don't use Live's looping functions (mobius does what I need) but honestly, if you don't think it can be played as an instrument, check out the Kid Beyond videos on the Ableton site. I've seen him perform many times and if you didn't know what he was doing it would seem like all the looping was done on the floor. I couldn't agree more. The ONLY limit to LIVE is your imagination. If all you're looking to do is loop, then LIVE is over kill for certain. To me, the best looper on the planet (JMO alert!) is Mobius. How could it be better? Other than being Mac friendly which is asking a hell of a lot from someone that GRACED us all with his amazing engineering. LIVE without question is the most friendly and most efficient sequencer on the planet. Anyone that makes a statement about LIVE's inability to be used as a primary performance tool lacks the necessary intuition it takes to tie their shoes. Simpler/Impulse/Operator/Sampler are all amazing devices. If a musician were to spend 30 days straight, 12 hours a day, and this is after they are primarily familiar with LIVE's mechanical layout, they would have accumulated a grain (no pun intended) of sand on the musical beach of life as far as scratching the surface of LIVE's instrumental capabilities. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183637263 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/4/2007 5:31:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 sine@zerocrossing.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I don't=20 use Live's looping functions (mobius does what I need) but 
hones= tly,=20 if you don't think it can be played as an instrument, check 
out=20= the=20 Kid Beyond videos on the Ableton site.  I've seen him perform =20
many times and if you didn't know what he was doing it would seem = ;=20
like all the looping was done on the floor.
I couldn't agree more. The ONLY limit to LIVE is your imagination.= If=20 all you're looking to do is loop, then LIVE is over kill for=20 certain. To me, the best looper on the planet (JMO alert!) is Mobi= us.=20 How could it be better? Other than being Mac friendly which is asking a hell= of=20 a lot from someone that GRACED us all with his amazing engineering. LIVE wit= hout=20 question is the most friendly and most efficient sequencer on the=20 planet. Anyone that makes a statement about LIVE's inability to be used as a= =20 primary performance tool lacks the necessary intuition it takes to= tie=20 their shoes. Simpler/Impulse/Operator/Sampler are all amazing devices.=20= If a=20 musician were to spend 30 days straight, 12 hours a day, and this is af= ter=20 they are primarily familiar with LIVE's mechanical layout, they would have=20 accumulated a grain (no pun intended) of sand on the musical beach of life a= s=20 far as scratching the surface of LIVE's instrumental capabilities.=20    




See wha= t's free at AOL.co= m.
-------------------------------1183637263-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 12:22:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3AD43BF93; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:22:08 EDT Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183638128" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <8hFMEC.A.5dD.zJOjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:22:12 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183638128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/2007 12:59:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigmccollough.com writes: well, it doesn't quite work that way - the speed of the media being used does not actually match the speed of actual RAM. I wouldn't trust an audio application with ReadyBoost. It is a very cool idea, but no one should be misled in to thinking that it is the equivalent of adding more real RAM. And for systems with >1GB RAM there appears to be no significant performance increase whatsoever, AFAIK Now, I readily admit that I may have been misinformed although the person I talked to was an engineer as I have ZERO idea about this sort of thing, but could I ask you to please back up what you are saying with some idea as to why this would not increase memory performance? Just so I/we could understand it a little better. It seems odd to me that what is being labeled "portable virtual RAM memory" would in no way contribute to 1 gig of onboard RAM.??????? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183638128 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/5/2007 12:59:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 craig@craigmccollough.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>well, it=20 doesn't quite work that way - the speed of the media being 
used=20= does=20 not actually match the speed of actual RAM. I wouldn't 
trust an=20 audio application with ReadyBoost. It is a very cool idea, 
but n= o=20 one should be misled in to thinking that it is the equivalent 
of= =20 adding more real RAM. And for systems with >1GB RAM there appears = =20
to be no significant performance increase whatsoever,=20 AFAIK
 
Now, I readily admit that I may have been misinformed although the pers= on I=20 talked to was an engineer as I have ZERO idea about this sort of thing,=20 but could I ask you to please back up what you are saying with some ide= a as=20 to why this would not increase memory performance? Just so I/we could unders= tand=20 it a little better. It seems odd to me that what is being labeled "portable=20 virtual RAM memory" would in no way contribute to 1 gig of onboard=20 RAM.???????   




See what's free at AOL.com.
-------------------------------1183638128-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 12:42:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24F53BF90; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:41:58 +0100 From: Bart Lyons Subject: Re: bows for guitars In-reply-to: <468B52AF.5020108@tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705133621.040f6708@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ez09Iisbj6Jpz14v4ZOyAA)" References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468B52AF.5020108@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:42:03 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_Ez09Iisbj6Jpz14v4ZOyAA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Andy, the custom built instruments I saw were around $4K as you say EBOW is a excellent alternative for only $60. Having said that I'm still trying to master the Ebow. Listening to your CD you have had a lot of practice. BART At 08:56 04/07/2007, andy butler wrote: >hi Luis. > >The basic problems are 1) the body of the guitar gets in the way >2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs to be curved, so you can >access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs to be curved too) >so the only good solutions I know are > >1) a custom built instrument >2) ebow ;-) >3) there's a technique I sometimes used for bass which would work >with guitar, only works > for the two outside strings and not that easy to co-ordinate, but > I can share that if you like. > >http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter >has a custom instrument. > >andy butler > >L.A. Angulo wrote: >>Hi Gang, >>id like to start experimenting with bows which work >>better for guitars and can you spare some techniques >>string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an >>inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique >>particulary exciting,any other artists out there? >>thanx! >>Luis >>www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not >>web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC --Boundary_(ID_Ez09Iisbj6Jpz14v4ZOyAA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Andy, the custom built instruments I saw were around $4K as you say EBOW is a excellent alternative for only $60. Having said that I'm still trying to master the Ebow. Listening to your CD you have had a lot of practice.

BART


At 08:56 04/07/2007, andy butler wrote:
hi Luis.

The basic problems are 1) the body of the guitar gets in the way
2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs to be curved, so you can
access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs to be curved too)
so the only good solutions I know are

1) a custom built instrument
2) ebow ;-)
3) there's a technique I sometimes used for bass which would work with guitar, only works
 for the two outside strings and not that easy to co-ordinate, but I can share that if you like.

http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter
has a custom instrument.

andy butler

L.A. Angulo wrote:
Hi Gang,
id like to start experimenting with bows which work
better for guitars and can you spare some techniques
string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an
inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique
particulary exciting,any other artists out there?
thanx!
Luis
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

      
____________________________________________________________________________________
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
--Boundary_(ID_Ez09Iisbj6Jpz14v4ZOyAA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 13:52:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B070B3BF88; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <468D0348.4010004@pa.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:42:16 -0500 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars References: <730643.10530.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <468B52AF.5020108@tiscali.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20070705133621.040f6708@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705133621.040f6708@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Resent-Message-ID: <_5b8NB.A.0dB.RePjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Bart Lyons wrote: > Andy, the custom built instruments I saw were around $4K as you say > EBOW is a excellent alternative for only $60. Having said that I'm > still trying to master the Ebow. Listening to your CD you have had a > lot of practice. > Err, where are you finding an Ebow for $60? The going price here in Lansing is more like $90. If you like antiques, another alternative is the Gizmo, which has its own advantages and problems. I'm a bit behind on checking my e-mail, but has Eddie Phillips of the Creation been mentioned as a bowing guitarist. Some sources say he was Jimmy Page's inspiration. John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 15:21:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 984F53BF97; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SuxcbuAUceHZz+iZhbhDK5O0NMvNC5uAkItqaBt+kVbYCKgWv654Zo8cRVYZj6L/CT+gDx8phQ9268e9iqhS+bsTfvZTCp6+OApVwINwAwqlCk0FVnYyI85ykbRELLpqTH8XGE0TQESfjwIE5azepEWoR3JMPNeenin7kFspQjE=; X-YMail-OSG: fvetaZQVM1nPDjIvdciXgIv4RSaKEE3CAjGuMDzCrFqz9zZCY1oJeEonLVB0R0NgNng3O.xbIxDHTOK7cn3pAWZzLeh5gzfK.xSc9zmeHHNOhOOya8rf5rZd Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Subject: Guitar-Viola(?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705133621.040f6708@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-68108381-1183648891=:64168" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <213665.64168.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-68108381-1183648891=:64168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anybody heard of, or tried one of these? They're kinda spendy - but look like the answer to guitarists wanting a bow-ing experience. http://www.togamanguitars.com/ Bart Lyons wrote: Andy, the custom built instruments I saw were around $4K as you say EBOW is a excellent alternative for only $60. Having said that I'm still trying to master the Ebow. Listening to your CD you have had a lot of practice. BART At 08:56 04/07/2007, andy butler wrote: hi Luis. The basic problems are 1) the body of the guitar gets in the way 2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs to be curved, so you can access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs to be curved too) so the only good solutions I know are 1) a custom built instrument 2) ebow ;-) 3) there's a technique I sometimes used for bass which would work with guitar, only works for the two outside strings and not that easy to co-ordinate, but I can share that if you like. http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter has a custom instrument. andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: Hi Gang, id like to start experimenting with bows which work better for guitars and can you spare some techniques string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique particulary exciting,any other artists out there? thanx! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-68108381-1183648891=:64168 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anybody heard of, or tried one of these?  They're kinda spendy - but look like the answer to guitarists wanting a bow-ing experience.

http://www.togamanguitars.com/


Bart Lyons <blyons@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:
Andy, the custom built instruments I saw were around $4K as you say EBOW is a excellent alternative for only $60. Having said that I'm still trying to master the Ebow. Listening to your CD you have had a lot of practice.

BART


At 08:56 04/07/2007, andy butler wrote:
hi Luis.

The basic problems are 1) the body of the guitar gets in the way
2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs to be curved, so you can
access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs to be curved too)
so the only good solutions I know are

1) a custom built instrument
2) ebow ;-)
3) there's a technique I sometimes used for bass which would work with guitar, only works
 for the two outside strings and not that easy to co-ordinate, but I can share that if you like.

http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter
has a custom instrument.

andy butler

L.A. Angulo wrote:
Hi Gang,
id like to start experimenting with bows which work
better for guitars and can you spare some techniques
string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an
inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique
particulary exciting,any other artists out there?
thanx!
Luis
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

      
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-68108381-1183648891=:64168-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 16:08:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47C063BF9A; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArdeAPG0jEZKiNpMR2dsb2JhbAATglCGHA6GFgEBPwGMeA Message-ID: <022301c7bf1e$c56bf820$4cda884a@preferre4ca07a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <213665.64168.qm@web36604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Guitar-Viola(?) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:08:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0220_01C7BEF4.DC68C5A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:08:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C7BEF4.DC68C5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I was saying before that I played one at the NAMM show (2006) and = it was REALLY cool. It was pretty easy for a guitarist to play right off = the bat. I caught on quickly. It looks like they have a guitar-synth = compatible version now that didn't exist when I tried it. If I ever decide to do a bowed electric instument, it will be one of = these. Don't have the cash at the moment, though. Mark ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Guitar-Viola(?) Anybody heard of, or tried one of these? They're kinda spendy - but = look like the answer to guitarists wanting a bow-ing experience. http://www.togamanguitars.com/ Bart Lyons wrote: Andy, the custom built instruments I saw were around $4K as you say = EBOW is a excellent alternative for only $60. Having said that I'm still = trying to master the Ebow. Listening to your CD you have had a lot of = practice. BART At 08:56 04/07/2007, andy butler wrote: hi Luis. The basic problems are 1) the body of the guitar gets in the way 2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs to be curved, = so you can access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs to be curved = too)=20 so the only good solutions I know are 1) a custom built instrument 2) ebow ;-) 3) there's a technique I sometimes used for bass which would work = with guitar, only works for the two outside strings and not that easy to co-ordinate, but = I can share that if you like. http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter has a custom instrument. andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: Hi Gang, id like to start experimenting with bows which work better for guitars and can you spare some techniques string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique particulary exciting,any other artists out there? thanx! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =20 = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not = web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=3D1ONXIC -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with = Yahoo! FareChase. ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C7BEF4.DC68C5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, I was saying before that I played = one at the=20 NAMM show (2006) and it was REALLY cool. It was pretty easy for a = guitarist to=20 play right off the bat. I caught on quickly. It looks like they have a=20 guitar-synth compatible version now that didn't exist when I tried=20 it.
 
If I ever decide to do a bowed electric = instument,=20 it will be one of these. Don't have the cash at the moment, = though.
 
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 = 10:21=20 AM
Subject: Guitar-Viola(?)

Anybody heard of, or tried one of these?  They're = kinda=20 spendy - but look like the answer to guitarists wanting a bow-ing=20 experience.

http://www.togamanguitars.com/


Bart=20 Lyons <blyons@belfast.oilfield.s= lb.com>=20 wrote:
Andy, the custom built instruments I saw were around $4K as = you say=20 EBOW is a excellent alternative for only $60. Having said that I'm = still=20 trying to master the Ebow. Listening to your CD you have had a lot = of=20 practice.

BART


At 08:56 04/07/2007, andy butler=20 wrote:
hi=20 Luis.

The basic problems are 1) the body of the guitar gets = in the=20 way
2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs to be = curved,=20 so you can
access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs = to be=20 curved too)
so the only good solutions I know are

1) a = custom=20 built instrument
2) ebow ;-)
3) there's a technique I = sometimes used=20 for bass which would work with guitar, only works
 for the = two=20 outside strings and not that easy to co-ordinate, but I can share = that if=20 you like.

http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter
has a=20 custom instrument.

andy butler

L.A. Angulo = wrote:
Hi = Gang,
id=20 like to start experimenting with bows which work
better for = guitars=20 and can you spare some techniques
string gage etc.?Although = Jimmy=20 page has been an
inspiration i didnt find his bowing=20 technique
particulary exciting,any other artists out=20 there?
thanx!
Luis
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

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_____________________________________________________________________= _______________
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Looking for a deal? Find=20 great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo!=20 FareChase. ------=_NextPart_000_0220_01C7BEF4.DC68C5A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 16:26:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DDE73BF9B; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 623715912 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7BF21.443BCDDA" Subject: RE: it's in G, G Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:26:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134335@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4759e5740707030935i57a6c45bw9729f13591c6416f@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: it's in G, G Thread-Index: Ace/IUPs/N4KRSd9TxiYednS24Wz2A== References: <4759e5740707030935i57a6c45bw9729f13591c6416f@mail.gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 16:26:40.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[44511920:01C7BF21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:26:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BF21.443BCDDA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable more: =20 http://uploads.ungrounded.net/221000/221483_Play.swf =20 seems like flash really lends itself to looping. one wonders if there's a way to trigger animated avatars from a midi interface- have one's own virtual dance troupe on a big screen, sort of thing..... ________________________________ From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: it's in G, G hoofage-loopage On 7/3/07, Michael Peters wrote:=20 > http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf > surely this qualifies as loopage? =09 erm, yes, I'd say it does=20 =09 -Michael :-) =09 =09 --=20 http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 =20 todd@toddreynolds.com=20 toddreyn@gmail.com=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BF21.443BCDDA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
more:
 
http://uplo= ads.ungrounded.net/221000/221483_Play.swf
 
seems like flash really = lends=20 itself to looping. one wonders if there's a way to trigger animated = avatars from=20 a midi interface- have one's own virtual dance troupe on a big screen, = sort of=20 thing.....


From: todd reynolds = [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: it's in G,=20 G

hoofage-loopage



On 7/3/07, Michael=20 Peters <mp@mpeters.de>=20 wrote:
>=20 ht= tp://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf
>=20 surely this qualifies as loopage?

erm, yes, I'd say it does=20

-Michael  :-)



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toddreyn@gmail.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BF21.443BCDDA-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 16:29:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EFBD3BF93; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 740204031 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: bows for guitars Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:29:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134340@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <468D0348.4010004@pa.msu.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bows for guitars Thread-Index: Ace/IbdU+8P444fXTX6i8H9bRxZS8Q== References: <468D0348.4010004@pa.msu.edu> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 16:29:54.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7CE6010:01C7BF21] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:29:56 +0000 (UTC) =20 >>Eddie Phillips of the Creation been mentioned as a bowing guitarist. Some sources say he was Jimmy Page's inspiration.<< yeah, the notoriously revisionist wikipedia for one. the same article notes that he was briefly pp arnold's bassist, which presumably he did either immediately (see what I did there?) before or after lee jackson of "the nice", the other bowing bassist. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 16:38:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 828003BF9C; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: it's in G, G Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:38:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c7bf22$e3120230$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7BEE8.36B32A30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace/IUPs/N4KRSd9TxiYednS24Wz2AAAYqSw Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134335@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:38:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7BEE8.36B32A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure if someone's figured this out for Flash, but you can totally do this with Arkaos. -----Original Message----- From: Goddard, Duncan [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: it's in G, G more: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/221000/221483_Play.swf seems like flash really lends itself to looping. one wonders if there's a way to trigger animated avatars from a midi interface- have one's own virtual dance troupe on a big screen, sort of thing..... _____ From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: it's in G, G hoofage-loopage On 7/3/07, Michael Peters wrote: > http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf > surely this qualifies as loopage? erm, yes, I'd say it does -Michael :-) -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7BEE8.36B32A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not sure if someone’s figured = this out for Flash, but you can totally do this with = Arkaos.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Goddard, Duncan [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, = 2007 9:27 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: it's in G, = G

 

more:

 

http://uplo= ads.ungrounded.net/221000/221483_Play.swf

 

seems like flash really lends = itself to looping. one wonders if there's a way to trigger animated avatars from a = midi interface- have one's own virtual dance troupe on a big screen, sort of thing.....

 


From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, = 2007 5:36 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: it's in G, = G

hoofage-loopage


On = 7/3/07, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> = wrote:

> ht= tp://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf
> surely this qualifies as loopage?

erm, yes, I'd say it does

-Michael  :-)




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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7BEE8.36B32A30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 16:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 681D33BFA3; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:42:21 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c7bf23$79297870$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7BEE8.CCCAA070" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace+/x5wSKBvFYa/RHmvHVmC43KTzQAJBtCA Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:42:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7BEE8.CCCAA070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He did say it. Real RAM is very fast and lends itself to low latency = audio applications. Hard drives or things like memory sticks are a lot = slower. Fine for storing stuff and probably OK if you're working on big image or text files, but not good for audio. =20 -----Original Message----- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? =20 In a message dated 7/5/2007 12:59:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigmccollough.com writes: well, it doesn't quite work that way - the speed of the media being =20 used does not actually match the speed of actual RAM. I wouldn't =20 trust an audio application with ReadyBoost. It is a very cool idea, =20 but no one should be misled in to thinking that it is the equivalent =20 of adding more real RAM. And for systems with >1GB RAM there appears =20 to be no significant performance increase whatsoever, AFAIK =20 Now, I readily admit that I may have been misinformed although the = person I talked to was an engineer as I have ZERO idea about this sort of thing, = but could I ask you to please back up what you are saying with some idea as = to why this would not increase memory performance? Just so I/we could understand it a little better. It seems odd to me that what is being = labeled "portable virtual RAM memory" would in no way contribute to 1 gig of = onboard RAM.??????? =20 _____ =20 See what's free at AOL.com = .=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7BEE8.CCCAA070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

He did say = it.  Real RAM is very fast and lends itself to low latency audio = applications.  Hard drives or things like memory sticks are a lot slower.  Fine for = storing stuff and probably OK if you’re working on big image or text files, but = not good for audio.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: = BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, = 2007 5:22 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Laptops = -dedicated to music only?

 

In a message dated 7/5/2007 12:59:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigmccollough.com writes:

well, it doesn't quite work that way - the speed of the media being 
used does not actually match the speed of actual RAM. I wouldn't  =
trust an audio application with ReadyBoost. It is a very cool = idea, 
but no one should be misled in to thinking that it is the = equivalent 
of adding more real RAM. And for systems with >1GB RAM there = appears 
to be no significant performance increase whatsoever, = AFAIK

 

Now, I readily admit that I may have been misinformed although the person I = talked to was an engineer as I have ZERO idea about this sort of thing, = but could I ask you to please back up what you are saying with some idea as to why = this would not increase memory performance? Just so I/we could understand it = a little better. It seems odd to me that what is being labeled = "portable virtual RAM memory" would in no way contribute to 1 gig of onboard RAM.???????   




See what's free = at AOL.com. =

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7BEE8.CCCAA070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 16:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 931B43BFAA; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134335@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <4759e5740707030935i57a6c45bw9729f13591c6416f@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134335@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--811861869 Message-Id: From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: it's in G, G Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:42:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--811861869 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I thought about creating a flash animated drummer that would receive MIDI note info from my drum track. However, I'm not sure how to go about getting the MIDI info into the flash animation. --Josh On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > more: > > http://uploads.ungrounded.net/221000/221483_Play.swf > > seems like flash really lends itself to looping. one wonders if > there's a way to trigger animated avatars from a midi interface- > have one's own virtual dance troupe on a big screen, sort of > thing..... > > From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: it's in G, G > > hoofage-loopage > > > > On 7/3/07, Michael Peters wrote: > > http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf > > surely this qualifies as loopage? > > erm, yes, I'd say it does > > -Michael :-) > > > > > -- > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-12--811861869 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I thought about creating a flash animated drummer that would receive = MIDI note info from my drum track. =A0However, I'm not sure how to go = about getting the MIDI info into the flash animation.

--Josh



On Jul 5, = 2007, at 11:26 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote:

more:
=A0
=A0
seems like = flash really lends itself to looping. one wonders if there's a way to = trigger animated avatars from a midi interface- have one's own virtual = dance troupe on a big screen, sort of thing.....

=

From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: Re: it's in G, = G

hoofage-loopage



=
On 7/3/07, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote: =
> htt= p://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf
> = surely this qualifies as loopage?

erm, yes, I'd say it does =

-Michael=A0=A0:-)




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todd@toddreynolds.com
toddreyn@gmail.com =

= --Apple-Mail-12--811861869-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 17:03:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53A903BFA5; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--810652679 Message-Id: <9747FE57-CB5B-4D91-8EA6-52B4CC6A6157@craigmccollough.com> From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:02:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.server20070.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <07N1yD.A.F0H.FRSjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:03:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--810652679 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The links that I included were meant to provide further explanation. I'll include them again for your perusal. "Portable virtual RAM" is a misnomer; the ReadyBoost drive is used as a memory cache - so it's more of a technology for speeding up access to items that would normally be stored on the hard drive. Application load times are reportedly the most significant performance increase. I've not seen that Microsoft ever refers to ReadyBoost technology as "portable virtual RAM" - it's more of a stop-gap until flash-based or hybrid flash/platter drives become ubiquitous. links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost Windows Help: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2dhs4g http://vista.blorge.com/2007/05/20/vistas-readyboost-lacks-punch/ Cheers, Craig On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:22 AM, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/5/2007 12:59:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > craig@craigmccollough.com writes: > well, it doesn't quite work that way - the speed of the media being > used does not actually match the speed of actual RAM. I wouldn't > trust an audio application with ReadyBoost. It is a very cool idea, > but no one should be misled in to thinking that it is the equivalent > of adding more real RAM. And for systems with >1GB RAM there appears > to be no significant performance increase whatsoever, AFAIK > > Now, I readily admit that I may have been misinformed although the > person I talked to was an engineer as I have ZERO idea about this > sort of thing, but could I ask you to please back up what you are > saying with some idea as to why this would not increase memory > performance? Just so I/we could understand it a little better. It > seems odd to me that what is being labeled "portable virtual RAM > memory" would in no way contribute to 1 gig of onboard RAM.??????? > > > > See what's free at AOL.com. --Apple-Mail-2--810652679 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 The links that I included were = meant to provide further explanation. I'll include them again for your = perusal. "Portable virtual RAM" is a misnomer;=A0 the ReadyBoost drive = is used as a memory cache - so it's more of a technology for speeding up = access to items that would normally be stored on the hard drive. = Application load times are reportedly the most significant performance = increase.=A0

I've = not seen that Microsoft ever refers to ReadyBoost technology as = "portable virtual RAM" - it's more of a stop-gap until flash-based or = hybrid flash/platter drives become ubiquitous.

links:
http://vista.blorge.com/2007/05/20/vistas-readyboost-lacks-punch/

Cheers,
BreachinThePeace@aol.com = wrote:

In a message dated 7/5/2007 12:59:45 A.M. Eastern = Standard Time, craig@craigmccollough.com = writes:
well, it = doesn't quite work that way - the speed of the media being=A0
used = does not actually match the speed of actual RAM. I wouldn't=A0 =
trust an audio application with ReadyBoost. It is a very cool = idea,=A0
but no one should be misled in to thinking that it is the = equivalent=A0
of adding more real RAM. And for systems with = >1GB RAM there appears=A0
to be no significant performance = increase whatsoever, AFAIK
=A0
Now, = I readily admit that I may have been misinformed although the person I = talked to was an engineer as I have ZERO idea about this sort of thing, = but=A0could I ask you to please back up what you are saying with some = idea as to why this would not increase memory performance? Just so I/we = could understand it a little better. It seems odd to me that what is = being labeled "portable virtual RAM memory" would in no way contribute = to 1 gig of onboard RAM.???????=A0=A0=A0




See what's free at AOL.com. =

= --Apple-Mail-2--810652679-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 17:04:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F9003BF9F; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c7bf22$e3120230$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <001b01c7bf22$e3120230$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--810567237 Message-Id: <4794FDE0-3F88-40B7-9391-1D5559CA853C@infinivert.com> From: Josh Carroll Subject: Re: it's in G, G Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:04:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - chara.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - infinivert.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:04:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--810567237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed If you have Max/MSP: http://www.artsdigital.com/Flash_MIDI_howto.html --Josh On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Not sure if someone=92s figured this out for Flash, but you can =20 > totally do this with Arkaos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goddard, Duncan [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:27 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: it's in G, G > > more: > > http://uploads.ungrounded.net/221000/221483_Play.swf > > seems like flash really lends itself to looping. one wonders if =20 > there's a way to trigger animated avatars from a midi interface- =20 > have one's own virtual dance troupe on a big screen, sort of =20 > thing..... > > From: todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: it's in G, G > hoofage-loopage > > > On 7/3/07, Michael Peters wrote: > > http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf > > surely this qualifies as loopage? > > erm, yes, I'd say it does > > -Michael :-) > > > > --=20 > http://www.toddreynolds.com |: > http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: > ------------------------------------------------------|: > 917.576.6166 > todd@toddreynolds.com > toddreyn@gmail.com --Apple-Mail-13--810567237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 If you have Max/MSP:



--Josh



On Jul 5, 2007, at 11:38 = AM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:

Not sure if someone=92s figured = this out for Flash, but you can totally do this with = Arkaos.

=A0

-----Original = Message-----
From:=A0Goddard, Duncan [mailto:goddard.duncan@mtvne.com]=A0
Sent:=A0Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:27 = AM
To:=A0
Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject:=A0RE: it's in G, = G

=A0

more:

=A0

=A0

seems like flash = really lends itself to looping. one wonders if there's a way to trigger = animated avatars from a midi interface- have one's own virtual dance = troupe on a big screen, sort of thing.....

=A0


From:=A0todd reynolds [mailto:toddreyn@gmail.com]=A0
Sent:=A0Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:36 = PM
To:=A0Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject:=A0Re: it's in G, = G
hoofage-loopage


=
On 7/3/07,=A0Michael Peters=A0<mp@mpeters.de> wrote:



--=A0
todd@toddreynolds.com=A0
Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183656247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:03:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, craig@craigmccollough.com writes: ReadyBoost Thanks Craig. I apologize as I did not realize those links were not a part of your signature. I was definitely misinformed by the tech support engineer (possible wanna be) person I spoke to. So I am to understand that this "virtual" memory never really functions as true random access memory would, it just acts as a cach expansion from which data can be retrieved albeit at a much slower speed. I wonder if "they" will come up with motherboard facilities where by you can expand actual RAM externally? Actually, I would settle for a direct external sata port on my laptop. ;-) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183656247 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/5/2007 1:03:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 craig@craigmccollough.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>ReadyBoost
Thanks Craig.  I apologize as I did not realize those links w= ere=20 not a part of your signature. I was definitely misinformed by the tech suppo= rt=20 engineer (possible wanna be) person I spoke to. So I am to underst= and=20 that this "virtual" memory never really functions as true random access memo= ry=20 would, it just acts as a cach expansion from which data can be retrieved alb= eit=20 at a much slower speed. I wonder if "they" will come up with motherboar= d=20 facilities where by you can expand actual RAM externally? Actually, I w= ould=20 settle for a direct external sata port on my laptop. ;-)
 
 



-------------------------------1183656247-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 17:38:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5194B3BFA6; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -3.9 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.59.149 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=vFrzkrPlAAAA:8 a=Sw9WdB2Ouct2OiC2BIgA:9 a=i6xHb4TMY1cwwexxOfpTyOxyjbUA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,504,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6056839" Message-ID: <468D2CBC.7030601@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:39:08 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars References: <009101c7bea6$8b06dd80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7jSBFC.A.3AD.zySjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Kelly Coyle wrote: > I had one of these: > > http://www.piranhaguitarbow.com/ > thanks Kelly, just ordered one of those. if anyone's interested I'll report back about it (in about a month) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 18:17:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F43F3BFA9; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:17:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.82] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070705152135.A73AB3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: record industry Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:17:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 18:17:46.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9714E90:01C7BF30] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:17:48 +0000 (UTC) I think the record industry started it's decline by gearing it's whole promo machine to producing Very expensive videos for MTV ,henceforth known as emptyvideos.They stopped putting money into more creative eccentricquirky acts and even dropped alot of famous musicians who were making platinum record cause they were dropping 100k on each video. Meanwhile MTV staretd producing more feature programming designed to keep viewers tuned in rather than surfing,and reduced the amount of airtime for mtvids.When napster and cheap digital recording came along the didn't adapt intelligently. The tech changes are certainly an important factor,but secondary to bad tactics and strategies.They could have used napster to their advantage. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 18:19:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0263BFAF; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.82] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070705152135.A73AB3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: record industry Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:17:52 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2007 18:17:55.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEE26F30:01C7BF30] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:19:23 +0000 (UTC) I think the record industry started it's decline by gearing it's whole promo machine to producing Very expensive videos for MTV ,henceforth known as emptyvideos.They stopped putting money into more creative eccentricquirky acts and even dropped alot of famous musicians who were making platinum record cause they were dropping 100k on each video. Meanwhile MTV staretd producing more feature programming designed to keep viewers tuned in rather than surfing,and reduced the amount of airtime for mtvids.When napster and cheap digital recording came along the didn't adapt intelligently. The tech changes are certainly an important factor,but secondary to bad tactics and strategies.They could have used napster to their advantage. _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 19:28:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2CF3BFB1; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:28:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: record industry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:28:56 +0000 (UTC) At 11:17 AM -0700 7/5/07, samba - wrote: > I think the record industry started it's decline by gearing it's >whole promo machine to producing Very expensive videos for MTV >,henceforth known as emptyvideos.They stopped putting money into >more creative eccentricquirky acts and even dropped alot of famous >musicians who were making platinum record cause they were dropping >100k on each video. Meanwhile MTV staretd producing more feature >programming designed to keep viewers tuned in rather than >surfing,and reduced the amount of airtime for mtvids.When napster >and cheap digital recording came along the didn't adapt >intelligently. The tech changes are certainly an important >factor,but secondary to bad tactics and strategies.They could have >used napster to their advantage. Oh, while I'll agree that this was eventually a contributing factor to the decline of the Major Record Companies, I'd take a bit of issue with the "started to decline" statement. Remember the whole DIY movement that came to fruition during the Punk and post-Punk eras? This was a full-blown scourge of indie labels who came about as a reaction to the Major Label's tendency to predominantly pick up and fund huge dinosaur rock acts, while leaving newer and more experimental acts behind in the dust. Many people realized that they could just as easily press their own singles or trade tapes, and a whole alternative label revolution was born due to the corruption and sloth of the Majors. This started at least as far back as the mid-70's (well, that's when the big wave caught on; I don't doubt other DIY'ers were paving the way a lot earlier). In other words, the Majors started to rot from the inside long before MTV played any part. In addition, if you think about it, I believe early eMpTV actually had a coalescing and reviving effect upon the Majors, in that, while MTV began by playing cool and "arty" videos, they eventually upped their production standards (as well as, I suspect, their payola kickbacks) until the independent and alternative labels/artists could find no safe harbor there (with the possible exception of the token "120 minutes" once a week). This, I also believe, helped lead to the demise of most independent college radio, with the popularization of "grundge" and the eventual codification of indie music into the Billboard "Alternative Top 40" during the late-80's/early-90's. Alternative artists believed they had finally achieved the recognition they had aspired to for so long, and, by supporting the commodification of their sector, unwittingly colluded in their own doom. Thus, all this actually led to the Majors getting a temporary shot in the arm, as they managed to drive many independent label competitors out of business (or else they bought and assimilated them). Of course, MTV, being a profit-oriented animal itself, started to diversify into its own programming to maximize its profits -- eventually leaving the majors out on the carpet, as you rightfully pointed out. While I look at the Majors as dinosaurs who deserve nothing more than to have kerosene poured atop them, I still wouldn't count them out just yet. They've found too many ways to re-invent themselves and bounce back in the past. As long as there's a profit-motive they can exploit, they'll still be around. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From rxexv@rpfl.com Thu Jul 5 21:46:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 602 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:46:39 UTC Received: from 001422ef9496.click-network.com (001422ef9496.click-network.com [131.191.40.144]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A3723BFA0 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nty ([89.186.79.146]) by 001422ef9496.click-network.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:01:05 -0700 Message-ID: <468D6A21.8070207@sentinelfunds.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 15:01:05 -0700 From: Pen H.Montgomery User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: But, important as these initiatives are, I would argue that they are simply scratching the surface. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brokers Move On ERMX! EntreMetrix Inc. (ERMX) $0.18 Heavy trading today as ERMX announced its launch of digital support tools for its portfolio companies. Brokers are getting ahead of this steady climb as they grab up large blocks of shares for there clients. Look at the numbers and get on ERMX Friday morning! Well devised and executed policy should make managers immune from watchdog interference. Controlling and problem solving is the job of management whilst leadership focuses on motivating and enabling others to work towards new goals. This will enable the Account Manager concerned to make decisions relating to that account based on the collective knowledge of the organisation, rather than simply on their personal knowledge. Through the use of this technology, organisations can provide complete information to anyone, no matter where they are. Innovation What is the definition of innovation? Real success in future will be far more difficult to define. Yet while their technical training usually covered several years, their training in people was typically a few days or even hours. Far from being an altruistic aim, any observer of the airline business would know that this could be translated as "To corner the most lucrative segment of the market airlines market". The disposal of failed leaders is still a standard piece of management control theory. Because of this, people are unwilling to take risks. But what results do you use? Management culture - It is no good sending your staff out armed with the information necessary to make significant decisions if they do not have the ability or authority to use it. But what results do you use? But of almost equal significance to the sum of money raised was the way in which it was raised. A great deal of lip service is paid to innovation because it is always easier to talk about it than actually do anything about it. However, this is analogous to changing the labels on the buttons on a control panel, without changing the connections to the things they operate. >From one perspective this appears fair as the investor cares about financial results and above all the share price. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 22:23:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BE383BFAD; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:23:18 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: record industry In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01fb01c7bf53$16d18890$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Ace/MRdigEKG6RdCSPWiTgIW5LcZPgAIHUQA References: <20070705152135.A73AB3BF9D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (curmudgeon alert) I have to semi-agree. I feel that MTV, with its inevitable focus on visuals, also inevitably led to the transformation of the commercial music industry into the soft-core porn industry. This led to a huge decline in quality and diversity of musical expression at the labels (remember Reprise from the late 60's? I'd buy stuff on that label I never heard of just cause it was on the label). The Internet was terrific for music promotion when it was mostly dialup and low-fi RealAudio streaming. Once speeds got fast and mp3s became downloadable, well... you'd like to believe that people would respect artist copyrights and stuff because they're honorable, but when temptation is placed in our paths, many will succumb. And, as someone else said, the outrageous prices for new CDs have contributed greatly to the situation. Personally, I feel that a royalty charge on mp3 players and sound chips would not be out of line. However, in a practical sense, the idea that such a royalty would ever be distributed fairly to smaller artists is so far-fetched as to make the whole concept ridiculous. But still, who are the main financial beneficiaries of music sharing/theft (choose your loaded term)? Clearly, it's the hardware mfrs. -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: record industry I think the record industry started it's decline by gearing it's whole promo machine to producing Very expensive videos for MTV ,henceforth known as emptyvideos.They stopped putting money into more creative eccentricquirky acts and even dropped alot of famous musicians who were making platinum record cause they were dropping 100k on each video. Meanwhile MTV staretd producing more feature programming designed to keep viewers tuned in rather than surfing,and reduced the amount of airtime for mtvids.When napster and cheap digital recording came along the didn't adapt intelligently. The tech changes are certainly an important factor,but secondary to bad tactics and strategies.They could have used napster to their advantage. _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From customer.service@myisland.com Thu Jul 5 22:26:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:26:43 UTC Received: from s69481.sonizen.com (sonizen.com [72.3.230.74]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182C73BFA4 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9305 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2007 17:20:02 -0500 Received: from adsl-69-208-93-101.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net (HELO User) (69.208.93.101) by sonizen.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2007 17:20:02 -0500 Reply-To: From: "North Island Credit Union" Subject: Online Banking Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:25:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070705222642.182C73BFA4@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; We are currently trying to upgrade our online banking methods. All accounts have been temporarily limited until each person completes our secure online form. For this operation you will be required to pass through a series of authentications. Your credit card on file with North Island Credit Union: Card Number: 4337-79XX-XXXX-XXXX To begin upgrading your account, please go to our website: http://aguia.diberardino.com.br/manual/programs/Island/www.myisland.com/island/personal/ We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Thank you for using North Island Credit Union. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 22:47:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1E483BFB4; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:45:26 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-reply-to: <13627369.1183613966190.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <468D7486.5000602@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13627369.1183613966190.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:47:16 +0000 (UTC) Michael Billow wrote: > But the reason > for their downfall is not their conduct, it is the changing > world of technology and the fact that music can now > be traded so easily, all over the world. Its the internet, > nobody's fault really. That's like saying all dynamite is bad. Sure, suicide bombers use dynamite in a bad way but a road construction crew uses dynamite in a good way. The internet is a thing, a tool. It is neither good nor bad on its own. It all depends upon how a person uses it. > Its basically no different from being > able to record a record on your cassette player in the > 70s, except that you get *exact* copies with no generational loss, compressed files not withstanding. > except now you can share and trade with thousands > of people from your own computer. Oh, is *that* all? :) Instead of running off cassette copies in real time (or double speed if you didn't mind the high end loss), you can rip a CD once, get an exact copy, and then share it with everyone in your address book with one email in much less time than it took to copy an LP to cassette. I'd say that this is a significant difference. > But the music industry > is going to have to scramble to roll with the changes. Agreed. Some feel that it is too late. That remains to be seen. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 23:47:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 247203BFB5; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:47:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TbDEJ6qvSi6GhMVrEqTVxvL92lYAj8NNbqDeJ2uNVpmlB2K2f+F7OJDc67QJpveoD2RERC/xmxOHC+pdMGcyB1hPUnTiMAW2OxiYdZ6alJt34Du+omqxrERjxU89pfxBVJfwDzzIGKfFfJ+Rej8fAZJWZDfML0TOfar0533UpvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fNKObYOrn/VPEpin3FjQ2vtx4DrWqA39GETM9sLm8N/AU5Yv/dr1faQoUMtiVVmyoyZ/H2HynCNnw/py8IWAX0vrEhggAyun9w5Y7D0pA/MHW7MDu0abm5fALTOGr2HfAMLzO1h6Mvk7Meg00jKlzXTpfnQZKcq1Rn1v7h2pEoQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:47:38 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-Reply-To: <468D7486.5000602@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32527_28832920.1183679258010" References: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13627369.1183613966190.JavaMail.root@m11> <468D7486.5000602@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:47:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_32527_28832920.1183679258010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bill Fox, that was obnoxious and wholly unwarranted. I never indicated any value judgments about wether the internet was "good" or "bad" I simply made the distinction that it was the reason why the music industry has changed - in direct response to the previous claim. I could go on about how inappropriate your dissection of my post is but instead I will simply request that you kindly refrain from attacking people in here with such a condescending tone, and if you must then at LEAST read more carefully what your responding to before you mis-characterize what they've said. On 7/5/07, Bill Fox wrote: > > Michael Billow wrote: > > But the reason > > for their downfall is not their conduct, it is the changing > > world of technology and the fact that music can now > > be traded so easily, all over the world. Its the internet, > > nobody's fault really. > That's like saying all dynamite is bad. Sure, suicide bombers use > dynamite in a bad way but a road construction crew uses dynamite in a > good way. The internet is a thing, a tool. It is neither good nor bad > on its own. It all depends upon how a person uses it. > > Its basically no different from being > > able to record a record on your cassette player in the > > 70s, > except that you get *exact* copies with no generational loss, compressed > files not withstanding. > > except now you can share and trade with thousands > > of people from your own computer. > Oh, is *that* all? :) Instead of running off cassette copies in real > time (or double speed if you didn't mind the high end loss), you can rip > a CD once, get an exact copy, and then share it with everyone in your > address book with one email in much less time than it took to copy an LP > to cassette. I'd say that this is a significant difference. > > But the music industry > > is going to have to scramble to roll with the changes. > Agreed. Some feel that it is too late. That remains to be seen. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ------=_Part_32527_28832920.1183679258010 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bill Fox, that was obnoxious and wholly unwarranted. I never
indicated any value judgments about wether the internet was "good"
or "bad" I simply made the distinction that it was the reason why
the music industry has changed - in direct response to the previous
claim. I could go on about how inappropriate your dissection of my
post is but instead I will simply request that you kindly refrain from
attacking people in here with such a condescending tone, and if you
must then at LEAST read more carefully what your responding to
before you mis-characterize what they've said.

On 7/5/07, Bill Fox < billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
Michael Billow wrote:
> But the reason
> for their downfall is not their conduct, it is the changing
> world of technology and the fact that music can now
> be traded so easily, all over the world. Its the internet,
> nobody's fault really.
That's like saying all dynamite is bad.  Sure, suicide bombers use
dynamite in a bad way but a road construction crew uses dynamite in a
good way.  The internet is a thing, a tool.  It is neither good nor bad
on its own.  It all depends upon how a person uses it.
> Its basically no different from being
> able to record a record on your cassette player in the
> 70s,
except that you get *exact* copies with no generational loss, compressed
files not withstanding.
> except now you can share and trade with thousands
> of people from your own computer.
Oh, is *that* all?  :)  Instead of running off cassette copies in real
time (or double speed if you didn't mind the high end loss), you can rip
a CD once, get an exact copy, and then share it with everyone in your
address book with one email in much less time than it took to copy an LP
to cassette.  I'd say that this is a significant difference.
> But the music industry
> is going to have to scramble to roll with the changes.
Agreed.  Some feel that it is too late.  That remains to be seen.

Cheers,

Bill


------=_Part_32527_28832920.1183679258010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 23:57:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFD1B3BFB7; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.9 X-EN-IMPSID: Kzx41X0060BkWne0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 16:56:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-Reply-To: References: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13627369.1183613966190.JavaMail.root@m11> <468D7486.5000602@soundscapes.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070705235706.1B1363BFB0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Obnoxious?! At 2007.07.05 04:47 PM, Michael Billow wrote: >Bill Fox, that was obnoxious and wholly unwarranted. I never >indicated any value judgments about wether the internet was "good" >or "bad" I simply made the distinction that it was the reason why >the music industry has changed - in direct response to the previous >claim. I could go on about how inappropriate your dissection of my >post is but instead I will simply request that you kindly refrain from >attacking people in here with such a condescending tone, and if you >must then at LEAST read more carefully what your responding to >before you mis-characterize what they've said. > >On 7/5/07, Bill Fox < >billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote: >Michael Billow wrote: > > But the reason > > for their downfall is not their conduct, it is the changing > > world of technology and the fact that music can now > > be traded so easily, all over the world. Its the internet, > > nobody's fault really. >That's like saying all dynamite is bad. Sure, suicide bombers use >dynamite in a bad way but a road construction crew uses dynamite in a >good way. The internet is a thing, a tool. It is neither good nor bad >on its own. It all depends upon how a person uses it. > > Its basically no different from being > > able to record a record on your cassette player in the > > 70s, >except that you get *exact* copies with no generational loss, compressed >files not withstanding. > > except now you can share and trade with thousands > > of people from your own computer. >Oh, is *that* all? :) Instead of running off cassette copies in real >time (or double speed if you didn't mind the high end loss), you can rip >a CD once, get an exact copy, and then share it with everyone in your >address book with one email in much less time than it took to copy an LP >to cassette. I'd say that this is a significant difference. > > But the music industry > > is going to have to scramble to roll with the changes. >Agreed. Some feel that it is too late. That remains to be seen. >Cheers, >Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 5 23:57:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B47B3BFC1; Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0RVr5MNxMzaTq8sNZwzBO+prhNMLlgwe/iy8I18OY+7OxyV59KismJUdDtm5VooVpY3Gwgk0Q/TOgDueiN6bFOtlO41CPtgu0klX6paLo2UiGAMPTOGyzoz2ASnm5ZMzGgnbBsB0W54oi+nzzoMI5e4OTrSUkIaQ7TMw3BDu/O8=; X-YMail-OSG: xzg5uVEVM1lk.YXspkHUKMMEhQ5larSQo6povBad2EIw5xvESw33QTzpk_NkpTJeLo4ylW5rfEaHxzqIDqSdKrjQQQogaiYrHpLUcnjIvp2nfcWe0Is- Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:57:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60707041938h5e4950y64327570d5b0bcf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <970486.21390.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Does anyone remember the big battle to notch the frequency of CDs to disallow duplication? One more example of record company greed. Rig --- Jim Goodin wrote: > I would concur with Bill. I'm sure there is much > fear in the traditional > brick and mortar industry. Though harder to realize > income and exact > marketing the Internet has truely provided a > "chance" for all who will > enter. > > Happy 4th to all on LD. > > Jim > www.jimgoodinmusic.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > On 7/3/07, bill bigrig wrote: > > > > Howdy, > > > > i personally think the record companies strarted > > screwing themselves whenthey came out with CDs at > > double the price of LPs even though the unit > > production cost was the same. Add to that the RIAA > > wanting to tax blank tape and recording machines > and > > you can see that their own greed is the major > factor > > of their downfall. I think. > > Rig > > > > > > --- Richard Sales wrote: > > > > > Yeah... GREAT article. 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Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 00:02:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01EB53BFC2; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jWS0o8cQ8pNGq7CiXxGBTDDoeCp6rDbXDGxUm9uVpoFFvC8hM2eIyvWlC3sewF/qE/iltdFLQ+t1TG5Hf6xj7+x59ITc25iPDAuKD0nCsZb+Jc4V9Sp0GuD1XVNHIbQPrkNSaMjW2rgnBknzJv0fBmYyrsb2k2RbSt9esq4O2CI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dvYzrbsHyPNSD7CeeodWuYWHm4IABfHPTjVjS4QjtbTQSBh90UdvdPByLVtCb+HL/e/XY08ddelIJ/QLEVOl/iIPDxdFej8+sG3+o7Ow1Xxny7l9KTXLt4DunQEz5Gx+yxk7TfXZA8UW+Lk/v2yzgDl7xcundg6x2dagDHJ7fQ8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:02:55 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-Reply-To: <970486.21390.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e0440a60707041938h5e4950y64327570d5b0bcf@mail.gmail.com> <970486.21390.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4KotY.A.bBB.xaYjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:02:57 +0000 (UTC) I believe that was actually DAT recorders that were to have the notch. TH On 7/5/07, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Does anyone remember the big battle to notch the > frequency of CDs to disallow duplication? One more > example of record company greed. > Rig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 00:28:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86DCC3BFC9; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <9e0440a60707041938h5e4950y64327570d5b0bcf@mail.gmail.com> <970486.21390.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:28:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:28:39 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I believe that was actually DAT recorders that were to have the notch. When DAT machines were introduced as a consumer product, they were introduced with a fixed sample rate of 48k so that people could not make digital clones of CDs which are 44.1k. Film and TV post houses adopted 48k as a new pro standard (probably because the 48k only machines were cheaper) causing hell and confusion for people in the audio industry. Pro DAT machines could work at either sample rate. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) > > TH > > On 7/5/07, bill bigrig wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> Does anyone remember the big battle to notch the >> frequency of CDs to disallow duplication? One more >> example of record company greed. >> Rig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 01:02:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F2563BFAF; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Record Industry Decline Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:01:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c7bf69$3ef5dcc0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-index: Ace/ZJpRzlukZ5NpTqaHG6h9p4qvRwABDc0g Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9meFS.A.h9E.JSZjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:02:01 +0000 (UTC) I'm going to jump in here and state that I believe the hole "perfect = copy" thing is a lie made up my record companies. Few really care if their = copy is "perfect." I made cassettes of records as I now make mp3s of CDs and = 90 percent of the time I don't care and I'm pretty into the sound quality = of things. (home is where I try to listen to things in the best quality) My point is that the average person can't tell an mp3 from a cd from a record from a cassette. Record companies just want control of what ever = you listen to. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Ronan Chris Murphy [mailto:looper@venetowest.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline On Jul 5, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I believe that was actually DAT recorders that were to have the notch. When DAT machines were introduced as a consumer product, they were =20 introduced with a fixed sample rate of 48k so that people could not =20 make digital clones of CDs which are 44.1k. Film and TV post houses =20 adopted 48k as a new pro standard (probably because the 48k only =20 machines were cheaper) causing hell and confusion for people in the =20 audio industry. Pro DAT machines could work at either sample rate. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, =20 Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching =20 the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & =20 Cher) > > TH > > On 7/5/07, bill bigrig wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> Does anyone remember the big battle to notch the >> frequency of CDs to disallow duplication? One more >> example of record company greed. >> Rig > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 01:06:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BD1A3BFCA; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.215] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070705234740.ED9083BFBD@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rec Ind DiY Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:06:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 01:06:02.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2671230:01C7BF69] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:06:04 +0000 (UTC) I don't really see the punk anarchist DIY thing as much as having much imact on sales.Who was moving enough units to compete? Or what list of bands were collectively impacting sales by the majors? I was certainly into ignoring the mainstream industry . Starting in 1980 we even made our own instruments and of course produced our own shows etc. .Interesting to note the masters of DIY were the grateful dead they built their own PA system,and subculture. Started their own record co and alternative distribution network,ie mailing list in around 73.I know alot of punks vociferously hated them, ( esp ones w/ Hippie parents)but the ethos has significant similarities. I was also doing radio in those days, I observed the majors paying very careful attention to what was playing on college radio,watching those bands maybe even teasing them by dangling possibilities the saying But you're not ready yet.Letting them self produce 1 or 2 or 3 records,tour behind them and build a following ,then when all that stuff ,was working then they'd offer not very good deals like 10% of the net and all expenses coming out of artists cut.They used the Indie and DIY scenes as farm teams.This is exactly the kind of practical tactical approach they didn't ,but should have used with napster ,if they knew what was good for them. _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 01:29:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D6F83BFC7; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:29:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009c01c7bf6d$29292010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: bows for guitars Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:29:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <-HU6M.A.bsG.WsZjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:29:58 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote about the pirhanha bow: "thanks Kelly, just ordered one of those. if anyone's interested I'll report back about it (in about a month)" lol, we're like odd peas in a pod, Andy. I immediately ordered one as well. It'll be fun to compare notes. did you , by the way, see my rather wordy post about Suzuki miniature bows? They are cheap and work great on lots of instruments. wish you were able to make the loopfestival this year. we miss you guys! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 02:18:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B87D3BF6F; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:18:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fnawnUlCtrq9Qv8ks3mNj9qJtW3rT0iDtT2gI9mFIuPZSomecSB4QYBr2nuNerMu+YWiArz35JqPDk0vKXNrAzMn8zjYfhAy9KbT78G/IGI7vV1STXZKPQhup2tQ9ohGz8ww5zvtdKbBFzzVvY8cBlbyvXPmzuhBEpDTvvfM6UI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=poeFd/nMzknz9H6hUtZlQeh0rpkrfDHHbNSNbyrXhz48Wp7ikGktHd4+TNa8s5Lk6upcZ+t2JIfmQaOmItcnvgnuzara8p0XB6HGH+zk2PFj1cnLIhEsxLYsbQvqj9v7Gpbiyt8IatlZ9XJwsj6y7eSF21+uxCUcgaoaMPNGOps= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:18:36 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars In-Reply-To: <009c01c7bf6d$29292010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_101837_30867572.1183688316626" References: <009c01c7bf6d$29292010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 02:18:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_101837_30867572.1183688316626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My own approach these days (having failed with the Pirhanha) is to use the eBow -- which I'm getting better at. But even before this conversation, I ordered gear I thought might do the sustained sound trick. My plan is to use one of these -- http://www.pigtronix.com/products/ASDR.htm (should get mine next week) -- or one of these (cheaper!) -- http://www.guyatone.com/Sv2.php -- with one of these, which I already own: http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm. The trouble with my plan is that the sustainiac is pretty random as to which harmonic it decides to sustain. I'm pretty OK with that, but you might not be. I toy with getting my friend, Steve Holst, to build a gamba or apreggione for me, but I haven't quite decided yet. (It's either that or a harp-uke. Or something else. I've been thinking about it for a year or so now.) On 7/5/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > andy butler wrote about the pirhanha bow: > "thanks Kelly, just ordered one of those. > if anyone's interested I'll report back about it (in about a month)" > > > lol, we're like odd peas in a pod, Andy. > I immediately ordered one as well. > It'll be fun to compare notes. > > did you , by the way, see my rather wordy post about Suzuki miniature > bows? > They are cheap and work great on lots of instruments. > > wish you were able to make the loopfestival this year. we miss you guys! > > yours, Rick > > > > > ------=_Part_101837_30867572.1183688316626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My own approach these days (having failed with the Pirhanha) is to use the eBow -- which I'm getting better at. But even before this conversation, I ordered gear I thought might do the sustained sound trick. My plan is to use one of these --

http://www.pigtronix.com/products/ASDR.htm (should get mine next week)

-- or one of these (cheaper!) --

http://www.guyatone.com/Sv2.php

-- with one of these, which I already own:

http://www.sustainiac.com/model-b.htm.

The trouble with my plan is that the sustainiac is pretty random as to which harmonic it decides to sustain. I'm pretty OK with that, but you might not be.

I toy with getting my friend, Steve Holst, to build a gamba or apreggione for me, but I haven't quite decided yet. (It's either that or a harp-uke. Or something else. I've been thinking about it for a year or so now.)











On 7/5/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
andy butler wrote about the pirhanha bow:
"thanks Kelly, just ordered one of those.
if anyone's interested I'll report back about it (in about a month)"


lol,  we're like odd peas in a pod, Andy.
I immediately ordered one as well.
It'll be fun to compare notes.

did you , by the way,  see my rather wordy post about Suzuki miniature bows?
They are cheap and work great on lots of instruments.

wish you were able to make the loopfestival this year.   we miss you guys!

yours,  Rick





------=_Part_101837_30867572.1183688316626-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 04:23:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09A653BFC0; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cq3s+UqMvVaP7vTQnCTk5lnLg+JxIJEgaDMmHChfxDH9QO9c/QWUOgqJ6TQuuMOXuumGVzjb23ffewtApf6kF5kOyH/Rk4xnX5mlbE9SZ2AK5L189BI3BsAL0Rq3cvnd77K6Ec+PdEzgK3rt2Y2FFeb+cZx9zsMtAOmbKWvKZTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oLvJ2OxKqrADm3FUtFZs16CDQsWlL46N+MHldlfq6ZNLrspC375bq2zwyr9y7trhM6mcAqevDtuRbuNDdE6J++xkPYqH4n0AeBGIkjuYubYRIYYt/1JU/DpY0jhrvx/kXNc5KfMMDIC0QK/IARq9ZBdynQeZVJuEffSYjA6vuEE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:23:02 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-Reply-To: <000a01c7bf69$3ef5dcc0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000a01c7bf69$3ef5dcc0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Resent-Message-ID: <5mursD.A.AuH.oOcjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 04:23:05 +0000 (UTC) There are 3 major elements that are part of the major record labels' declining cd sales: 1) Yes, downloads. However, many of the figures that say that cd sales are declining are saying exactly that - cd sales are declining. Not necessarily music sales. Vinyl sales declined in the 80's. Now cd's are being replaced by digital files. The last "alarming" figures I saw did not account for 'legal' album sales such as Itunes. 2) How about this major element of cd sales - They're depending on bands like Linkin Park to be their flagship artists. The people making these decisions are not out there listening to music to the degree that their predecessors did. I would be adventurous enough to suggest that the big record labels set themselves up for decline when they started signing artists based on predictably successful genres and how much bands kind of sound like that other band that was successful a few years back. Now they're signing stuff a couple generations down - this band sound like that other band that sounds like that band I once really liked. Or this is the new band by those guys in Guns and Roses who were big in 1989. It's almost a form of inbreeding. Major label music now is a 4th generation cassette copy of music from 15-20 years ago or more. Pop music had some neat stuff in 2000 or so, but since then it's been sounding more and more inbred, with no real growth. In a discussion of this article, several friends and I tried to think of songs in the last 5 years that people would fondly remember 10 years from now. We came up with 3. One of them was "My Humps". If Jimi Hendrix was trying to put out his debut album this now, he'd never get signed on one of the big labels. They'd think he was too weird. 3) Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you buy a hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit singles than with older albums. They're built that way. The singles have the talented songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself wouldn't mean declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where people can pick and choose which songs they're going to get (a la downloading) or when compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call Music") pool all the singles together while they're still on the radio. If people can get all the songs they like on a comp, they're going to buy fewer full length albums. Frankly, I'm buying more music now than I ever have. Sites like emusic.com encourage me to take a chance on a lot of things that I probably wouldn't hear otherwise. Folks just need to get used to the online music business model. Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 05:22:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3056F3BFBE; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 05:22:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <104CC606-835D-48B5-991B-760AAEA0BC80@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: James Richmond Subject: Re: record industry Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:22:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 05:22:05 +0000 (UTC) The record industry has always been a complete joke, from the artists perspective. It used to be, you get signed and have to give away your publishing. It is like buying a house, paying for it, paying the interest and when you have finished paying for it, you don't own the house, the bank does. I'm energised and enthusiastic about the current state of play. I'm cheering the decline of record companies with absolute and total enthusiasm. New business models, implemented by the artist, ownership of publishing rights, grass roots fan base via the net. Look at the Arctic Monkeys- bloody brilliant for a band to have that sort of success with no record company involvement. Making music and living as an artist has always been a challenge- without getting top happy-clappy about it I think it is a terrific time to be in control of your own career. It is certainly a lot of work- but putting a lot of work in is what it is all about. No-one is going to knock on your door tomorrow with a record contract, the world doesn't owe us a living. Typically musicians are lazy buggers anyway- it doesn't take that much work to stand out head and shoulder above the drek- you simply need to have good ideas, be focussed, have good people skills and recognise that some compromise is needed... and patience... lots and lots of patience. Regards, Jim Richmond On Jul 5, 2007, at 2:17 PM, samba - wrote: > > I think the record industry started it's decline by gearing it's > whole promo machine to producing Very expensive videos for > MTV ,henceforth known as emptyvideos.They stopped putting money > into more creative eccentricquirky acts and even dropped alot of > famous musicians who were making platinum record cause they were > dropping 100k on each video. Meanwhile MTV staretd producing more > feature programming designed to keep viewers tuned in rather than > surfing,and reduced the amount of airtime for mtvids.When napster > and cheap digital recording came along the didn't adapt > intelligently. The tech changes are certainly an important > factor,but secondary to bad tactics and strategies.They could have > used napster to their advantage. > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://liveearth.msn.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 05:48:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385963BFCA; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 05:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.229] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: org.opn.lists.ocfdiscuss@lists.opn.org Subject: generator runs on good vibes Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:48:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 05:48:50.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[53FCD470:01C7BF91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 05:48:52 +0000 (UTC) http://www.newscientisttech.com/article.ns?id=dn12190&feedId=tech_rss2 _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 06:31:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 956413BFC3; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ubkjkawrUHRQOzOHKmcJvl1MqH5w7x3QN3cD+tg+fW5qgONWqsdqkAyo92M91IVmer8bKpUoNY72lzQV48m7m1tVlk8PKlWmZcW4XYVEaFAJILOasLQc0I/jCpRvalEjMTEx9pdZ81cZZbnKDnrkA868t/VA0i5+6r0YQR4+GKU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UCVUgsuQ/EUTFC5E3Y00nQlVNdBPnQEEvrKwE+aDZs+gEylVgYOW7IrjEu7mbKeMXbHyiDWw3qECTsqGnna26IRnn/oO8t611oscizFWCnMp4Uc065Z/e+iArxJsaXHcbcMnynO+5MJ7N56/rWALj+1fgrC/CYUcbqd0kzSiDRk= In-Reply-To: <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DD0C343-3188-471A-B826-504B143E721D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:31:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:31:50 +0000 (UTC) On 25 jun 2007, at 11.53, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm an old, old Cool Edit Pro user, and while I've been quite happy > with its multitracking etc., I look around and see what everyone > else is using once in a while. Hi Stephen, Sorry about adding a post on this thread so late, but it just hit me that no one suggested Ardour! Probably because you wrapped up your query by asking "What program do you use?" and since Ardour is rather new not very many of us are already using it. The interesting point with Ardour is that it is free, an open source project for Linux and MacOSX. http://ardour.org/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 06:55:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3D373BFCC; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CaC4F1JL2ZFWR2gVgXtSZrawnkvXrBT/goevCGUBfyti8I9cMrmom4+XPszpm2219A288mR10kwyL/jhnRiF3EHNtDcjt6v2Z6KnWVR54nDPGZIPgyo5pwIbHiuEKkBiXGBRjdeuB68egrXx55trGtflftCNwrHbblFGd/eoelc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=S9NlPqnVZMKuNo67Zvq26miJlDXNncQQesrUgktLH0PmZlZeT0IUMVQ8e481/M4pHJwHkvKeiG+MP8Zb7LIGNwVlQvAfPu2LHedN4S+hHyxTBA+X4QzhFyz7QkQWfFTp9GI0SzqWdQYzdmgNJW3PTRjf3iiLOActXahkiA3h1R0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <000a01c7bf69$3ef5dcc0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A57E167-7C1B-44C1-AD2E-C43083F9623E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:55:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 06:55:47 +0000 (UTC) A good analysis Matt. You just forgot one aspect, the change in music culture and thus implemented infra-structure. Some decades ago there were not many main musical styles for a label A&R to master. Back then it was possible for a human to stay on the cutting edge with "Metal", "Disco", "Pop" or whatever genre, and successfully predict future big selling acts. Then these original genres started to divide, multiply into sub genres and an endless row of new genres. And this kept happening with an increasing speed. And as we got more genres the potential consumers within each genre became less and quite soon even too few to motivate any serious marketing attempts. What the major labels have always been good at is to implement "mass manufacturing" methods on music selling. But with this new diverse market situation (see above) mass manufacturing is an obsolete concept for selling music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) On 6 jul 2007, at 06.23, Matt Davignon wrote: > There are 3 major elements that are part of the major record labels' > declining cd sales: > > 1) Yes, downloads. However, many of the figures that say that cd sales > are declining are saying exactly that - cd sales are declining. Not > necessarily music sales. Vinyl sales declined in the 80's. Now cd's > are being replaced by digital files. The last "alarming" figures I saw > did not account for 'legal' album sales such as Itunes. > > 2) How about this major element of cd sales - They're depending on > bands like Linkin Park to be their flagship artists. The people making > these decisions are not out there listening to music to the degree > that their predecessors did. I would be adventurous enough to suggest > that the big record labels set themselves up for decline when they > started signing artists based on predictably successful genres and how > much bands kind of sound like that other band that was successful a > few years back. Now they're signing stuff a couple generations down - > this band sound like that other band that sounds like that band I once > really liked. Or this is the new band by those guys in Guns and Roses > who were big in 1989. It's almost a form of inbreeding. Major label > music now is a 4th generation cassette copy of music from 15-20 years > ago or more. Pop music had some neat stuff in 2000 or so, but since > then it's been sounding more and more inbred, with no real growth. In > a discussion of this article, several friends and I tried to think of > songs in the last 5 years that people would fondly remember 10 years > from now. We came up with 3. One of them was "My Humps". If Jimi > Hendrix was trying to put out his debut album this now, he'd never get > signed on one of the big labels. They'd think he was too weird. > > 3) Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you > buy a hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit > singles than with older albums. They're built that way. The singles > have the talented songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself > wouldn't mean declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where > people can pick and choose which songs they're going to get (a la > downloading) or when compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call > Music") pool all the singles together while they're still on the > radio. If people can get all the songs they like on a comp, they're > going to buy fewer full length albums. > > Frankly, I'm buying more music now than I ever have. Sites like > emusic.com encourage me to take a chance on a lot of things that I > probably wouldn't hear otherwise. Folks just need to get used to the > online music business model. > > Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 08:30:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34233BFCF; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.51.250 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=4sIfouLiAAAA:8 a=sQpXl9l1eOLsfyvHKKMA:9 a=h1iZWd8-GAfFbBNpPMQnQaQMmYIA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,507,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="6140644" Message-ID: <468DFDBC.3000809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:30:52 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: A new loop toy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:30:42 +0000 (UTC) http://www.pigtronix.com/products/Phi.htm andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 09:29:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19B0C3BFD2; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=JmYSzM/KJR1rys9pSjcJSni/1actDC8768/8rs8SXEAEYFEXLlQADxOGcDsZnKcgV45Fu+9KZd/g6hSggJMWzPrKJY4+dpxrbOkK9wS7EWqY9lyXR4NjKCX1eHxnT8FyUUVOYsHJIR2UF+uNFPCdlvm0mwq4ssuag1U/YWVJD50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=GVAigZO30XsnF06Gi7i5/84v6InoaI6WSmGWEQBtkMddpr2epqzksPRwlwbk5KwWHNfnhaCsvvPHSux642vUlr8sEUOkSRiHpukx1aoS5k6YOxIS5E104YbksoZwEylNiza+gonqvzlk83LUaaoGiHeFc0B2hP11M8muR7YeoPU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:29:18 +0200 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8bca26995095bff5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:29:21 +0000 (UTC) On 05/07/07, Mech wrote: > CPU usage: believe it or not, Live is actually more CPU efficient > than Rax (by about 5-10% on average, in a Powerbook G4 1.67MHz). Live also gives you a lot of control over audio buffer size and plugin processing buffer size, allowing you to effectively trade CPU usage against latency/plugin responsiveness to your taste/needs. > Now, one thing I don't remember testing on Rax was whether it had the > slave-sync idiosyncrasies that plague Live, so that could be a point > in Rax's favor. Rax worked well as a sync slave, in my tests. It's all a bit academic now though, since they killed it. Another host that works well as a sync slave is Numerology. I think this is a host that deserves a lot more attention, especially if you want to get creative with MIDI alongside your audio (e.g. analogue sequencer-style pattern generation driving loop segment playback in Crossfade Loop Synth Effect). Has anyone tried using a good sync slave (e.g. Numerlogy) as a ReWire slave under Live, so the ReWire slave drives Live's tempo? cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 10:00:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DDF13BFD7; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GxnVnGVZOKfYH1/GKWxsR5DZ2qbPbgobI7ppwW3KpuDQs1gWyiubtXEr1tbVZrjCcmang9cnwjvkVtZf0VM2kCzXEoDb3EMWkybhctua6i0ai54JVyrsISKSXcxqxNUkZzG5xfyqeeN0E8D3ZAOxKZRfNkinzNNrBTCitTNhvsI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=t+DgHeDMD6bCvWqOQebSQ+CDPs5vlDUf2VpU2r6XYdKEedJGSmCQ1jZStAIxbln3d+6fcWfAcHiJcPHoucto42fdMnoRhj5tlO8e0LGtoOy5jjNqav1/Ws69/yDAEqS0zTzTV1C2hYq8su1kfPgGjeqlASGa2hCFeTqpR/YeAbU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <470293.11275.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9101C6D5-ADF7-40B6-9A1E-BA0CF2EAEB61@gmail.com> <009101c7bda8$8cf8cee0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live looping with ableton live Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:00:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:00:38 +0000 (UTC) On 6 jul 2007, at 11.29, Os wrote: > Has anyone tried using a good sync slave (e.g. Numerlogy) as a ReWire > slave under Live, so the ReWire slave drives Live's tempo? Not with Numerology, since Numerology 2.0 with added ReWire support is still not released (soon oh soon...). But I have been using DrumCore by ReWire sync in Live and the timing is rock solid - no matter which one of the application you change the tempo in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 10:20:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B654B3BFD5; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c7bfb7$4d7a2780$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <468DFDBC.3000809@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: A new loop toy? Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:20:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18zDgdSfNzDh1yPgapeFFa9O3I9NDJNIenH4r8 Olnloxg2sLQx1308xZSNQK+XsNlyA9ADrR8QteuQUOEDC0qBOf vyYM2TBOo0GpYyVmbg/y7fzexlLTlLi Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:20:55 +0000 (UTC) looks interesting. the first thing i'd have to do is: drill a hole and connect an additional footswitch to the reverse button... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: "LD" Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: A new loop toy? > http://www.pigtronix.com/products/Phi.htm > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 11:35:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4C703BFC9; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o8FU0BsCWWcTO0L//yshQAidXRqyEud5t+islttHvJHKbF0Y1IBKPmkyJPdY7ZTIas9/5LXMMfX2v2XrmUS7+FfRPCSXaX+pEcJiGZLYa9yidoLZ04qVki12uA3YqoPYBXvij2UlxwvKEVK2kAFGJ3y2yy/y0yUhouzspmgueGU= ; X-YMail-OSG: zn0VK_gVM1ki6DX92maUxJbL7t6aolrJprziDMx.C7ynU2H1 Message-ID: <468E28C1.3020201@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:34:25 -0500 From: Michael Yoder Reply-To: msyoder2007@sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music Industry Decline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Mark wrote: >"My point is that the average person can't tell an mp3 from a cd from a record from a cassette. Record companies just want control of what ever you listen to. Mark<" I agree, and that is so sad! (The part about the non-discerning public unable to tell the difference.) I do not do mp3's at all because the sound quality is generally quite bad. They say that i-tunes are better, but I haven't tried that yet. While I find overall that LPs played on a good turntable generally sound better than CDs, there are some very good sounding CDs and I have no problem eating macaroni and cheese casseroles, or rice and beans so that I can budget to buy them. (I've invented some great recipes for budget meals if anyone is interested.) I have been purchasing more and more LPs lately, thanks to the greater offerings of re-issues, etc. Regarding the copying of digital music, I have heard examples of stuff done in computers, and from my limited experience, they tend to have an even higher rate of digital glitch problems than commercially available CDs. To get around the music industry's barriers to copying CDs, so long as a digital recorder has decent A/D converters and a good signal path within it, one can make an analogue to digital copy of a CD that sounds pretty darned close, by taking the output signals of a CD player and going into the line inputs of a decent CD recorder. The HHB Burn-It works very well in this regard. This is just my opinion here and I realize that there are equally valid contrary opinions, but I have the greatest success in the recording of my own music (much of it loop-based, with DL4 and Headrush) by going to analogue tape first (Tascam 122 MkIII and 424 MkIII) and then transferring it to CD via the HHB recorder so that it can be distributed in CD format. This works well when listening on a decent CD player, like Arcam, Rega, NAD, etc.). I agree with Steve Lake of ECM records on this point: an analog recording mastered to LP sounds better and altogether quite different in character than a digital recording mastered to LP, as was typically done in the 1980s with the earliest of digital recordings. What that tells me is that a strong determining factor of the character of a recording is how it originally was recorded in a studio. Of course, MP3's seem to screw it up, something along the lines of multiple generation cassette copies of the past. Perhaps the greatest disservice the music industry has done to the listener is to compress everything in the mastering process so much to get that boring, soul-less "wall of sound" with everything crammed in at +0 db that one hears in so much of the crappy rock music of today. In other words, I complain about the lack of dynamic range in much of today's commercial music. So as far as I'm concerned, there are lots of dimensions to this question of the decline of the music industry. Cheers, Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 11:40:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AD8F3BFC6; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c7bfc2$6c82f1b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6DD0C343-3188-471A-B826-504B143E721D@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:40:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per, But of course the uninteresting point is that Ardour is only for Mac and Linux. > On 25 jun 2007, at 11.53, Stephen Goodman wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I'm an old, old Cool Edit Pro user, and while I've been quite happy with >> its multitracking etc., I look around and see what everyone else is >> using once in a while. > > > Hi Stephen, > > Sorry about adding a post on this thread so late, but it just hit me that > no one suggested Ardour! Probably because you wrapped up your query by > asking "What program do you use?" and since Ardour is rather new not very > many of us are already using it. The interesting point with Ardour is > that it is free, an open source project for Linux and MacOSX. > > http://ardour.org/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 12:06:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BDDA3BFD1; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:08:19 +0200 Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline - please continue offlist From: jayrope To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070706063151.23AA83BFCB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: adm@kliklak.net,bottrap@kliklak.net,choerchms@kliklak.net,donations@kliklak.net,girlsunited@kliklak.net,hardman@kliklak.net,imperial@kliklak.net,janek@kliklak.net,jayrope@kliklak.net,jlistshit@kliklak.net,jrploopers@kliklak.net,kimmoelomaa@kliklak.net,loi@kliklak.net,msblue@kliklak.net,msgreen@kliklak.net,msorange@kliklak.net,msred@kliklak.net,novocaution@kliklak.net,ohsotellus@kliklak.net,pinsky@kliklak.net,reggie@kliklak.net,rls@kliklak.net,rope@kliklak.net,scenic@kliklak.net,sighs@kliklak.net,silkkonvertor@kliklak.net,tvworkshop@kliklak.net,underwarps@kliklak.net,usb@kliklak.net X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:06:17 +0000 (UTC) I would appreciate this rather "flame war" type of discussion to be continued offline or at least marked "OT" (off topic) and concentrate on friendly looping again. No offense of course, and thank you. --- best greets from berlin. jayrope http://kliklak.net On 06.07.2007 08:31, "Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com" wrote: > Re: Record Industry Decline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 12:21:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D49253BFD3; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:20:55 EDT Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183724455" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:21:01 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183724455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/2007 12:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes: 3) Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you buy a hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit singles than with older albums. They're built that way. The singles have the talented songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself wouldn't mean declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where people can pick and choose which songs they're going to get (a la downloading) or when compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call Music") pool all the singles together while they're still on the radio. If people can get all the songs they like on a comp, they're going to buy fewer full length albums. To me, this is literally the crux of the societal evolution angle. RADIO. It's sad that the media has become such a common place and completely effective tool of corporate business. Long ago they put a stop to giving us free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting society) via their programming are not allowed independent differentiations of anything, but rather their focus became training us "how" to differentiate in an effort to best suite their greed manifest. I personally am very happy with the current state of the music business. Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the Internet has HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business second" stance. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183724455 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/6/2007 12:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 mattdavignon@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>3)=20 Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you
buy= a=20 hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit
singles=20= than=20 with older albums. They're built that way. The singles
have the talente= d=20 songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself
wouldn't mean=20 declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where
people can pick=20= and=20 choose which songs they're going to get (a la
downloading) or when=20 compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call
Music") pool all the=20 singles together while they're still on the
radio. If people can get al= l=20 the songs they like on a comp, they're
going to buy fewer full length=20 albums.
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I personally am very happy with the current state of the music business= .=20 Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the Internet has=20 HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business second"=20 stance.




See what's free at= AOL.com.
-------------------------------1183724455-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 12:23:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5B553BFD9; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:23:03 EDT Subject: Re: record industry To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183724583" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:23:12 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183724583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/2007 7:36:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, msyoder2007@sbcglobal.net writes: I agree, and that is so sad! (The part about the non-discerning public unable to tell the difference.) I do not do mp3's at all because the sound quality is generally quite bad. They say that i-tunes are better, but I haven't tried that yet. I used to "feel" this way as I too DO NOT get into or use MP3s. The truth is however that with the various newer high band width "loss less" files, you really cannot discern the difference between the two unless you are listening on extremely high end equipment. I am somewhat of an audiophile (hobbyist level) buff and it's the old 5000.00 CD player vs. 3-5000.00 turntable comparison test. About 3 out of 100 REAL audiophiles can actually consistently discern the difference between the two. It's all in the conversion and machine internals. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183724583 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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In a message dated 7/6/2007 7:36:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 msyoder2007@sbcglobal.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>I agree,=20 and that is so sad!  (The part about the non-discerning public
un= able=20 to tell the difference.)  I do not do mp3's at all because the
so= und=20 quality is generally quite bad.  They say that i-tunes are better,=20
but I haven't tried that yet.
I used to "feel" this way as I too DO NOT get into or use MP3s. The tru= th=20 is however that with the various newer high band width "loss less" files, yo= u=20 really cannot discern the difference between the two unless you are listenin= g on=20 extremely high end equipment. I am somewhat of an audiophile (hobbyist level= )=20 buff and it's the old 5000.00 CD player vs. 3-5000.00 turntable comparison t= est.=20 About 3 out of 100 REAL audiophiles can actually consistently discern the=20 difference between the two. It's all in the conversion and machine internals= .=20  




See what's fr= ee at AOL.com.=
-------------------------------1183724583-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 14:28:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D950F3BFD7; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [207.90.215.123] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 207.90.215.123} Message-ID: <20070706092845.bfsi9by8wkk8skw8@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:28:45 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline - please continue offlist References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Quoting jayrope : > I would appreciate this rather "flame war" type of discussion to be > continued offline or at least marked "OT" (off topic) and concentrate on > friendly looping again. > > No offense of course, and thank you. > > --- > best greets from berlin. > > jayrope > http://kliklak.net Well, if this continues off list, please include my address in your correspondence. I have found the comments interesting and informative. Often times, we musicians focus on creating music and many of us (I count myself in this) have limited information about the business side of music. Thus, this thread may be "old hat" to some people however I appreciate reading the insights that people have shared here. All the best to one and all! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 14:38:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 280C23BFDB; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:38:45 +0000 Message-Id: <070620071438.8625.468E53F50006641C000021B12216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8625_1183732725_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:38:48 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8625_1183732725_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Theres tons of great music out there. You just have to look harder. Radio is the villian. Although, they are learning, slowly, but as there profits disappear, they will improve. I have Sirius radio and I have never listened to so much great music. Im now listening to a great tune by T Bone Burnett. Plus it has Howard. Of course the music industry sucks. I cant believe this conversation still happens. Its like talking about how the world is round. It just IS. -------------- Original message -------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com In a message dated 7/6/2007 12:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes: 3) Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you buy a hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit singles than with older albums. They're built that way. The singles have the talented songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself wouldn't mean declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where people can pick and choose which songs they're going to get (a la downloading) or when compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call Music") pool all the singles together while they're still on the radio. If people can get all the songs they like on a comp, they're going to buy fewer full length albums. To me, this is literally the crux of the societal evolution angle. RADIO. It's sad that the media has become such a common place and completely effective tool of corporate business. Long ago they put a stop to giving us free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting society) via their programming are not allowed independent differentiations of anything, but rather their focus became training us "how" to differentiate in an effort to best suite their greed manifest. I personally am very happy with the current state of the music business. Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the Internet has HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business second" stance. See what's free at AOL.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8625_1183732725_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Theres tons of great music out there. You just have to look harder. Radio is the villian. Although, they are learning, slowly, but as there profits disappear, they will improve. I have Sirius radio and I have never listened to so much great music. Im now listening to a great tune by T Bone Burnett. Plus it has Howard. Of course the music industry sucks. I cant believe this conversation still happens. Its like talking about how the world is round. It just IS.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com
In a message dated 7/6/2007 12:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes:
3) Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you
buy a hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit
singles than with older albums. They're built that way. The singles
have the talented songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself
wouldn't mean declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where
people can pick and choose which songs they're going to get (a la
downloading) or when compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call
Music") pool all the singles together while they're still on the
radio. If people can get all the songs they like on a comp, they're
going to buy fewer full length albums.
 
To me, this is literally the crux of the societal evolution angle. RADIO. It's sad that the media has become such a common place and completely effective tool of corporate business. Long ago they put a stop to giving us free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting society) via their programming are not allowed independent differentiations of anything, but rather their focus became training us "how" to differentiate in an effort to best suite their greed manifest.
 
I personally am very happy with the current state of the music business. Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the Internet has HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business second" stance.




See what's free at AOL.com.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8625_1183732725_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 14:38:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1C3C3BFE4; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:38:38 EDT Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline - please continue offlist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183732718" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:38:53 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183732718 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit me to (include my address please) breachinthepeace@aol.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183732718 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
me to (include my address please)=20 breachinthepeace@aol.com




S= ee what's free at = AOL.com.
-------------------------------1183732718-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 15:21:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 573403BFDE; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <104CC606-835D-48B5-991B-760AAEA0BC80@jamesrichmond.com> References: <104CC606-835D-48B5-991B-760AAEA0BC80@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <71DE01DE-DD5A-4806-9E3D-C2BDB3077F67@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: record industry Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:15:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:21:17 +0000 (UTC) I couldn't agree with you more. On Jul 5, 2007, at 10:22 PM, James Richmond wrote: > I'm energised and enthusiastic about the current state of play. > I'm cheering the decline of record companies with absolute and > total enthusiasm. > New business models, implemented by the artist, ownership of > publishing rights, grass roots fan base via the net. > Look at the Arctic Monkeys- bloody brilliant for a band to have > that sort of success with no record company involvement. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 16:01:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA0773BFE3; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sfww6rBqOQ1gTmDZzscshPJP8+YFo7HKpaBjMqUrE68SSAPMU7RfrVVlD7zJxL4norJHUpNpSHT8nvBCBOMSCmIhmRyItqFJuJDm6ZoWaj5O6C3Pb1xcBZJUVcSX/CP8Ztm3KHIu5o+OcR6NaHm+CS0tfYuEbsroCk8fZLuA4Zs=; X-YMail-OSG: skHLV3cVM1kvyPCPisWJKhEzJuPZZ77VqXb6YXEUdV_EbpwCtzK61ev9SjD11_IcmUJr_eZEewFMo3MxZkdU6VezSVmA63OShC0ByabfgOBBzKlD385_mHm4xxbz9Q-- Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: Re: Record Industry Decline To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <070620071438.8625.468E53F50006641C000021B12216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-371709281-1183737695=:38893" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <366029.38893.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:01:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-371709281-1183737695=:38893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have Sirius also. Why wouldn't satellite fall into the same quandry as far as programming? I listen to 'Spa' ("new Age") and noticed that they are not very all-encompassing. They play a lot of the same/similar stuff. Regards, Paul midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: Theres tons of great music out there. You just have to look harder. Radio is the villian. Although, they are learning, slowly, but as there profits disappear, they will improve. I have Sirius radio and I have never listened to so much great music. Im now listening to a great tune by T Bone Burnett. Plus it has Howard. Of course the music industry sucks. I cant believe this conversation still happens. Its like talking about how the world is round. It just IS. -------------- Original message -------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com In a message dated 7/6/2007 12:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes: 3) Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you buy a hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit singles than with older albums. They're built that way. The singles have the talented songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself wouldn't mean declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where people can pick and choose which songs they're going to get (a la downloading) or when compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call Music") pool all the singles together while they're still on the radio. If people can get all the songs they like on a comp, they're going to buy fewer full length albums. To me, this is literally the crux of the societal evolution angle. RADIO. It's sad that the media has become such a common place and completely effective tool of corporate business. Long ago they put a stop to giving us free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting society) via their programming are not allowed independent differentiations of anything, but rather their focus became training us "how" to differentiate in an effort to best suite their greed manifest. I personally am very happy with the current state of the music business. Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the Internet has HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business second" stance. --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-371709281-1183737695=:38893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have Sirius also. Why wouldn't satellite fall into the same quandry as far as programming? I listen to 'Spa' ("new Age") and noticed that they are not very all-encompassing. They play a lot of the same/similar stuff.
 
Regards, Paul
midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
Theres tons of great music out there. You just have to look harder. Radio is the villian. Although, they are learning, slowly, but as there profits disappear, they will improve. I have Sirius radio and I have never listened to so much great music. Im now listening to a great tune by T Bone Burnett. Plus it has Howard. Of course the music industry sucks. I cant believe this conversation still happens. Its like talking about how the world is round. It just IS.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com
In a message dated 7/6/2007 12:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes:
3) Album-Oriented music is going away (except on indie labels). If you
buy a hit album today, you're much more likely to enjoy only the hit
singles than with older albums. They're built that way. The singles
have the talented songwriters, engineers and producers. That in itself
wouldn't mean declining cd sales - unless we live in a culture where
people can pick and choose which songs they're going to get (a la
downloading) or when compilation albums (like "Now that's what I call
Music") pool all the singles together while they're still on the
radio. If people can get all the songs they like on a comp, they're
going to buy fewer full length albums.
 
To me, this is literally the crux of the societal evolution angle. RADIO. It's sad that the media has become such a common place and completely effective tool of corporate business. Long ago they put a stop to giving us free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting society) via their programming are not allowed independent differentiations of anything, but rather their focus became training us "how" to differentiate in an effort to best suite their greed manifest.
 
I personally am very happy with the current state of the music business. Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the Internet has HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business second" stance.




See what's free at AOL.com.


Get your own web address.
Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. --0-371709281-1183737695=:38893-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 17:35:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275C03BFD7; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <468E7D6F.9060602@mail.dk> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:35:43 +0200 From: Ian Petersen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recording Programs? References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6DD0C343-3188-471A-B826-504B143E721D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6DD0C343-3188-471A-B826-504B143E721D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Per, > Sorry about adding a post on this thread so late, but it just hit me > that no one suggested Ardour! There was a rather amusing thread on Ardour and Linux musicmaking over on Analogue Industries a few days ago: http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.jsp?msgid=1182708669579 Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 17:51:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6100A3BFDF; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hpPV4RjjtcxaNjzwfseaXE0WQ6/YHzJNwX2O0dYnEsg3f7LQPI3j3ITgU6cY3/KH6UIDaEmLRg8lDtjeuKfXAt71+Q0jRDsUTH2BFTMKnLPdQ2RpCtFRq6/v3K+vCMcsA0xt4VSiL+rpC6DryrubF3I9elIR7VKUxNiwBKcTK4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lhL5tL+1m2VsBIfUCue0DsbTRztmsWBuDgV4/g8HVn46hfPm9WONamuP9cM/kfi3+kbioPDBAiZqAjBUv/JKPWcWJz2ASKZFcDhf4Pn8ni+Zf92ZNxTN8bZBQnOwpZtzg2ceJNTSzipFGkkItDRYkyy3FUlBrb+zdiNPSI1oHwE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <468E7D6F.9060602@mail.dk> References: <72F881F6-0060-4C8A-9983-54AFD9562305@bernhardwagner.net> <005301c7b70e$b1dd3d40$0207a8c0@eluk1> <6DD0C343-3188-471A-B826-504B143E721D@gmail.com> <468E7D6F.9060602@mail.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recording Programs? Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:51:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:51:56 +0000 (UTC) >> Sorry about adding a post on this thread so late, but it just hit >> me that no one suggested Ardour! On 6 jul 2007, at 19.35, Ian Petersen wrote: > Per, > > There was a rather amusing thread on Ardour and Linux musicmaking > over on Analogue Industries a few days ago: > http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.jsp?msgid=1182708669579 > > Ian Oh, that was a long thread! Linux users must have a lot of free time ;-)) Besides, the original poster said in a later post that he is interested only in applications that run under Windows. Myself I'm more than happy with recording and producing in Logic. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 18:30:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD50B3BFED; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=f72Nqe11S2pCpKRuXphNRAU8dfoOkUl49YEn22ZIuduNa2XlvxLTyN/VB2fwj4jyrylHwngzvg5Tjp0xWGKob8hFY79rk3ncY//y5LoLvx8KltAh6EOHVTsMtYvNo/PQFCOzB4WaQ8l/Vp2sL5a0bnaekxwJhgJoMrw8lMeflSY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QDxnztWE6B80II8UE05aHAlb94B0FCWnL1tqkVg5ydYQdlPpNBoSPgcbLgMUxh5puVwY/J5EnQRKD6PUs0jQqtatdesQ5qKWZvoObfo+vuxMWZMZJlTdkhQYfpSvUQQubVE2pF2AQePwvSro7OGvYEYLX+QS9o1ddEg6mLI4r4E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000401c7be02$dac5da00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <000401c7be02$dac5da00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98A1C50A-F5B9-42B7-8923-6C7FCFE403E0@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: no loopage here Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:30:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:30:54 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 3, 2007, at 11:16 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=3344948192478887654&hl=de > > no loops involved here, but some of you might enjoy it anyway :-) > This is a 17 minute video from a 2004 gig with Tonlabor (sound > lab), showing > several very scientific experiments with sound (that's why we have > to wear > goggles) > This is me in the middle Fun! The opening minutes reminded me of a funny Daily Show bit about a journalist testing a "gaydar". What is that long blocky instrument with buttons you are playing starting around the 7 min. mark? Nice evolution of the tonal flavor. :-) cheers BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.dailymotion.com/yapruder/video/4149057 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-30Z5-Lwyag From accounts@paypal.us Fri Jul 6 18:34:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1465 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:34:53 UTC Received: from mail.ghvalley.net (mail.ghvalley.net [65.121.60.250]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6773F3BFE7 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:34:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [24.93.246.49] by mail.ghvalley.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.20) id A1D902FC; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:54:33 -0600 From: "Paypal" Subject: Notification from Billing Department Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:56:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200707061154937.SM02452@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
   

 

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All rights From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 19:26:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 192633BFE8; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.27] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070706143854.1E9583BFEB@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: record industry Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:26:41 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 19:26:42.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[951C8E60:01C7C003] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:26:46 +0000 (UTC) As the suits have attenuated the choices available in mainstream popular music there has been an incredible flourishing of music produced. In 1975 I was doing radio and playing as much ethnic stuff as I could get,a typical record store would have maybe 5 or 6 albums in their International section ,something celtic,maybe something Greek or Spanish ,maybe a Belly Dance for your Husband record and some Polka or German Beer Hall Songs,maybe an Edith Piaff record.I used to order Nonesuch stuff whenever I could come up with the money,and comb used record stores ,thrift stores and borrow tapes from the university library. These days you can get hundreds of new World Music recordings a year,and from every culture on the planet. that's just one category.Amoeba recrods in SF must ahev 10,000 electronic selctions _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 19:34:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F7E53BFEF; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.27] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070706143854.1E9583BFEB@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A/B listening tests Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:34:12 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jul 2007 19:34:16.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3CF9140:01C7C004] Resent-Message-ID: <9hLsc.A._xH.7kpjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 19:34:19 +0000 (UTC) There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as good as analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in A/B tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer mag in the early 90s about some Japanese engineers measuring brain wave responses to both analog and digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the brain halves went into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never aroused. I suspect higher sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't seen any further research on the matter. _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!  http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 20:13:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAB383BFF6; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 16:13:15 EDT Subject: Re:OT: A/B listening tests To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183752795" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:13:17 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183752795 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/2007 3:34:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as good as analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in A/B tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer mag in the early 90s about some Japanese engineers measuring brain wave responses to both analog and digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the brain halves went into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never aroused. I suspect higher sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't seen any further research on the matter. There are quite a few binaural beat cds out there now.Very interesting, thanks for bringing that up. I knew nothing about Brain Wave Sync. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183752795 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 7/6/2007 3:34:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 sambacomet@hotmail.com writes:
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-------------------------------1183752795-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 20:18:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014183C000; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Rev Fever Subject: Pinhas / Eventide Harmonizer Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:18:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:18:50 +0000 (UTC) I got to experience the recent Richard Pinhas Trio gig in Seattle. It was a very lovely and ENCHANTING set! I also got to speak with him a little before the gig and presented him with an early solo LP by him to sign, and along w/ the signature,he also quickly drew a rough and funny little cartoon of IRAN WITH an AMERICAN MISSILE HEADING FOR IT! HAR! It was funny and insightful how he took an opportunity to make a visual "commentary" on the current state of the USA under the current psychotic and extremely corrupt BushCo regime. I found it very amusing that he did this, and it is something I will view as a RARE little treasure for YEARS! I could also tell that he knew I would be amused by him doing that. LOOPAGE CONTENT: He seemed to be only using some(?) Eventide Harmonizer with his guitar to do some AMAZING loopings and more, and I could only get a little close to it to try to see which model it was? I am not sure if he was using anything else? It was dark-ish on the stage and I felt I had no business going onto to the stage to a closer look, but I do wanna know which one it was? The best I can describe it as is that it was black, about 14 or so inches long, and about 7 or so inches tall, and was not a rack mount unit, and had what appeared to be gold(?) lettering on it, and had a small LCD screen, a knob, and 2 rows of white / square buttons. I did some fishing around on the web for Eventide Harmonizers and all I could find visually were ones that had 4 (and shorter) rows of buttons and appeared to be less tall than what he had. Any clues as to which model this one might have been? I did not get a 2nd chance to speak with Pinhas and ask. The laptop artist was also great and was also doing some great looping at times as well, and the drummer (from Magma) was equally as brilliant! -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 20:31:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EDFB3BFFA; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c7c00c$a3616c80$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:31:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19pKl46vRW+ynsissz9IDrvyiXd4Wie+u6x5uJ sScA+fHuC46qPeY2Rz5p1Dv4miK386g8hfbgdfnboNYqCthir2 k4WPA6WizyomW/9SPEbbv8RMH3uX0r2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:31:46 +0000 (UTC) i am in joke-mode, so please forgive me: have you heard, that japanese engineers said "love" to a drop of water under a microscope and the molecule structure looked nice and when they said "hitler" to the drop, it looked really ugly? for further in depth study: http://www.ghchealth.com/water-purification what happens to your brainwaves if you listen to techno on an LP? the music was made entirely digital, but the LP is analogue, right? how will your brainwaves cope with that conflict? aren't most of our loopers digital? i once overheard a guy saying that his music sounded better if produced in hannover (his hometown) then in berlin. because berlin's electricity is generated in old fashioned coal-burning plants and hannover's juice is nuclear, therefore "cleaner"! (my wild guess is: in berlin he calls for a pizza, but the food in hannover is probably mum's? food has a large effect on mixing...) smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:34 PM Subject: A/B listening tests > There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as good as > analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in A/B > tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer mag in the early 90s > about some Japanese engineers measuring brain wave responses to both > analog and digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the brain > halves went into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never aroused. I > suspect higher sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't seen > any further research on the matter. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! > http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 20:44:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6CBE3BFF7; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:OT: A/B listening tests Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:44:40 +0000 Message-Id: <070620072044.29967.468EA9B80005999B0000750F2216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29967_1183754680_0" Resent-Message-ID: <5-pc0B.A.8TE.6mqjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:44:42 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29967_1183754680_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "I knew nothing about Brain Wave Sync" Thats because you use the Boomerang. See, we RC50 users are all over that shit. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com > > In a message dated 7/6/2007 3:34:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sambacomet@hotmail.com writes: > > There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as good as > analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in A/B > tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer mag in the early 90s about > some Japanese engineers measuring brain wave responses to both analog and > digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the brain halves went > into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never aroused. I suspect higher > sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't seen any further > research on the matter. > > > > There are quite a few binaural beat cds out there now.Very interesting, > thanks for bringing that up. I knew nothing about Brain Wave Sync. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29967_1183754680_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:OT: A/B listening tests Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:13:19 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29967_1183754680_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29967_1183754680_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/6/2007 3:34:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 sambacomet@hotmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>There=20 used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as good as=20
analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in A/B= =20
tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer mag in the early 90s=20 about
some Japanese engineers  measuring brain wave responses to=20= both=20 analog and
digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the bra= in=20 halves went
into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never aroused.= I=20 suspect higher
sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't see= n=20 any further
research on the matter.
There are quite a few binaural beat cds out t= here=20 now.Very interesting, thanks for bringing that up. I knew nothing about Brai= n=20 Wave Sync.




See what= 's free at AOL.co= m.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29967_1183754680_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29967_1183754680_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 20:58:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 212D53BFFE; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sGZrdpPGHBuHwzk+ZJ5c9AEWrwhaUDo3fHbj/dvB9FvFqBm/QjWFll+OwPYHCm9eKd8D5WQyLajfZWAX6zzSojvkPiDiyYYk1khJk0MJ/PA/IVuDFVnkG0fBxB9Ha2uTnv46CWiVMyFfgtQ898zqnaPGgjOkP5rcAP4PTFmvV0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hkvFRVHmKn3I6tkbIy3uyY7jYdvqrdeITTWrrNE1fNjK0K8iwTJGPiiWZGpcCcwZAgYd+wPPziPsSwLMv8+lP84aGeZyNLtMAS0yNEATHyl1q52Z4+J6GwBwtnJb+C6EqS75IVsXzq4fgdieXMn8MgmuC1LtiJgBJMnA3HPGS+g= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:58:29 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah - I forgot that element. Now all the radio stations are owned by just a few companies (Clearchannel being the biggie.) Which means that playlists are much more standardized than they used to be. Less variety means less "survival of the fittest", which in turn lowers quality and gradually lowers the need to get the new cd. Wasn't there once a time when radio playlists were more regional? There's a fairly recent development in this in the last 5 years or so too - radio stations without dj's. They just throw a larger-than usual playlist into a central computer, and feed that playlist to the 'variety' station in each city. The biggest one in San Francisco has the motto "70's, 80's, 90's, whatever we feel like". They should be sued for false advertising - "we" implies humans and "feel" implies emotions! Matt On 7/6/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com was all: > > To me, this is literally the crux of the societal evolution angle. RADIO. > It's sad that the media has become such a common place and completely > effective tool of corporate business. Long ago they put a stop to giving us > free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting society) via their programming > are not allowed independent differentiations of anything, but rather their > focus became training us "how" to differentiate in an effort to best suite > their greed manifest. > > I personally am very happy with the current state of the music business. > Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the Internet has > HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business second" stance. > > > ________________________________ > See what's free at AOL.com. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 6 23:12:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5746F3C010; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:12:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=O3yuHlNXTTDnn5JTGA8dJOpuMRvM7D0guVy9fWThMtMzM6phRsNqZNLy3+g1gH3dpoKSmjUTzhwfQX1D6mga52KmW+FOri+11/s+7Ot2XV6ANhddAGbU3eq9UqQWF22IeqldDPb5Nvw6mW60+aO5J4aYOuyvbMsWETgutFSrJdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=aU7+lgSwswzd/OTAZRSv+3f5O4+aWf0hxJWLVXsb+n59JpiY7stB/ebuCat58q5QTveFTog1rIhGcaXHPRVrg3WFcJRWkEsTxBMD7dfCXzHb1RUCKyk2ayzDEJ1Z7pn3oWNA1UWSlhmzGBWMp/D8327hVimjYlnSTX3M0uqagzQ= Message-ID: <99b2d7960707061612v1599320t20219c3882290e95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:12:29 +0100 From: "Kevin Conlon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland PK5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_115871_24835222.1183763549846" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 23:12:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_115871_24835222.1183763549846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I am a newbee to looping since last weekend, but so far i am enjoying using my new Akai E3 looping pedal. Just wondering if anyone here can advise me on the following question. I also own a Roland pk5 13 note Midi pedal. I would normally use it to trigger my midi backing module made by Ketron . I dont use midi files but rather sequences which i change manually by using my feet on the PK5 and play guitar live My question is this --Is there any way i could incorporate this pedal (PK5) into my looping setup? Not being able to change keys is frustrating for me so far with the Akai and this pedal can do all of that and more. Probably a silly question I know but i hear there are some nice clever people on here and it might be worth a shot Thanks in advance KC ------=_Part_115871_24835222.1183763549846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


Hello, I am a newbee to looping since last weekend, but so far i am enjoying using my new Akai E3 looping pedal.
Just wondering if anyone here can advise me on the following question.
 
I also own a Roland pk5  13 note Midi pedal. I would normally use it to trigger my midi backing module made by Ketron . I dont use midi files but rather sequences which i change manually by using my feet on the PK5 and play guitar live
 My question is this --Is there any way i could incorporate this pedal  (PK5)  into my looping setup? Not being able to change keys is frustrating for me so far with the Akai and this pedal can do all of that and more.
  Probably a silly question I know but i hear there are some nice clever people on here and it might be worth a shot
Thanks in advance
KC
------=_Part_115871_24835222.1183763549846-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 00:31:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668973C010; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004e01c7c02e$273546a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 01:31:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:31:53 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Friday, 6 July, 2007 20:34 PM Subject: A/B listening tests > There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as good as > analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in A/B > tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer mag in the early 90s > about some Japanese engineers measuring brain wave responses to both > analog and digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the brain > halves went into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never aroused. I > suspect higher sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't seen > any further research on the matter. I suspect that our brains are always filling in the gaps where stimulus doesn't otherwise exist. An extreme example is what happens inside a sensory deprivation tank, hallucinations, visions, so forth. A more ordinary example is good old black-and-white movies. A more creative person - someone who enjoys being so especially, I think - might experience good vibes while watching an old film that are perhaps more caused by subconscious fulfillment on this level. Consequently a less creative person might only perceive the film as an old black-and-white film, and could even find themselves overly bored with it altogether, or the absence of color an annoyance. I suppose 'what one hears' so requires accurate description to be understood at all, but what if a digital recording supplies less hole-filled content, thus depriving the creative brain of its fill-in-the-gaps fun-and-games? Is this a good thing? Given the nature of things like practice, training, repetition, and so on when it comes to exercise or brain function, perhaps it's not, if the above is true. Since I use a combination of digital and analog I must be relatively safe... :) Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 03:29:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77DE83C013; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.134] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070706231236.50D7B3C013@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: nonaligned radio Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:29:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2007 03:29:13.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD867680:01C7C046] Resent-Message-ID: <8_4zmD.A.8KE.MiwjGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 03:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately NPR is a corporate shill now too.Some independent stations I like at least at times are. KFJC Los Altos CA. At times they play very strange music,as does KZSU at Stanford. And the inimitable WFMU, _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 04:31:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD4D73C00B; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 04:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <22AA25DD-C2CF-47C4-991F-C23A1F52D647@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline ( Radio ) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:31:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 04:31:46 +0000 (UTC) As a former radio DJ veteran from ages ago with 5 & 1/2 years of experience to my name, I can irrefutably say that radio in America, as it is now, SUCKS, and has done so since at least the early 80's. I do not bother with it anymore and have not done so for YEARS, but I am aware of HOW BAD it is, because I often, and INVOLUNTARILY, get exposed to it, and KNOW that it is complete crap now. At least previously, it was maybe 50 / 50 between crap and some good stuff. Now it is hopeless. Aside from some public and / or a tiny few grassroots radio station efforts that are even left anymore (such as KBOO 90.7FM here in Portland,OR), best to just FORGET about mainstream radio in the USA today, and the future, due to the corps(es) CONTROL of the over all air waves, which by the way, here in America, were ORIGINALLY MEANT to be OWNED by the CITIZENS of the USA! If in doubt about that, check yer history books, and also there was no FCC until much later. THAT idea did not LAST very long due to certain powerful powers-that- be seeing HUGE future profits by TAKING OVER the air waves with the help of their well-paid political stooges in "our" gov't. Same crap still goes on today and the majority of sheeple just quietly go along with it. So, just kiss radio GOOD BYE for it EVER coming back to being anything even remotely good anymore, at least in the USA. Ain't gonna happen! (same for American TV too, which I have stayed away from for almost 20 years now, and LOVE it! BOOKS are MUCH BETTER! ) Thank Gaia for the web, since now there are PLENTY of GOOD radio ALTERNATIVES that can now be found! What is on the web is the ONLY way I listen to any radio anymore to find shows that play truly interesting and kool music. I am also gearing up to reviving my former show from years ago, Radio Soiree (with the host, the Martian Neon Creature) as a podcast, but have some bugs to overcome and some other obstacles to leap over before I start doing that. Eventually.... -Rev. Fever On Jul 6, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Oh yeah - I forgot that element. Now all the radio stations are owned > by just a few companies (Clearchannel being the biggie.) Which means > that playlists are much more standardized than they used to be. Less > variety means less "survival of the fittest", which in turn lowers > quality and gradually lowers the need to get the new cd. > > Wasn't there once a time when radio playlists were more regional? > > There's a fairly recent development in this in the last 5 years or so > too - radio stations without dj's. They just throw a larger-than usual > playlist into a central computer, and feed that playlist to the > 'variety' station in each city. The biggest one in San Francisco has > the motto "70's, 80's, 90's, whatever we feel like". They should be > sued for false advertising - "we" implies humans and "feel" implies > emotions! > > Matt > > > > On 7/6/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com was > all: >> >> To me, this is literally the crux of the societal evolution angle. >> RADIO. >> It's sad that the media has become such a common place and completely >> effective tool of corporate business. Long ago they put a stop to >> giving us >> free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting society) via their >> programming >> are not allowed independent differentiations of anything, but >> rather their >> focus became training us "how" to differentiate in an effort to >> best suite >> their greed manifest. >> >> I personally am very happy with the current state of the music >> business. >> Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM radio, the >> Internet has >> HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music first, business >> second" stance. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> See what's free at AOL.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 04:34:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1276E3C014; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: nonaligned radio Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 21:34:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 04:34:59 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 6, 2007, at 8:29 PM, samba - wrote: > Unfortunately NPR is a corporate shill now too. And, has been for some time now. Look at a LOT of the "sponsors" for NPR. Too many corps(es). Some people have long called NPR "National Petroleum Radio", and for good reasons. It ain't the 70's anymore... > And the inimitable WFMU, Indeed. It should be KGOD!. Er...maybe not, but ya know what I mean, I think. :-) -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 07:09:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDC2E3C019; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <98A1C50A-F5B9-42B7-8923-6C7FCFE403E0@gmail.com> Subject: RE: no loopage here Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:08:56 +0200 Message-ID: <002601c7c065$b0797c10$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfAZNkAXCfO4ikLQky2v77mAYgnkAAAJi7A In-Reply-To: <98A1C50A-F5B9-42B7-8923-6C7FCFE403E0@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:09:01 +0000 (UTC) > What is that long blocky instrument with buttons > you are playing starting around the 7 min. mark? a Hohner Guitaret http://www.vintageaudioberlin.de/vabgalerien/kurioses/guitaret -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 08:39:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E93533C020; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.36] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070706143854.1E9583BFEB@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: eventide eclipse on Craigslist Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 01:39:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2007 08:39:17.0349 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E296950:01C7C072] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 08:39:18 +0000 (UTC) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/msg/368381672.html _________________________________________________________________ Need a brain boost? 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Play now!  http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 10:41:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84B9B3C026; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-10 required=10 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Message-ID: <000c01c7c083$5025c5d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: nonaligned radio Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 06:41:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:41:05 +0000 (UTC) Check out my old hometown station http://wrek.org/ possibly first on the web and still going strong. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: nonaligned radio > > Unfortunately NPR is a corporate shill now too.Some independent stations > I like at least at times are. KFJC Los Altos CA. At times they play very > strange music,as does KZSU at Stanford. And the inimitable > WFMU, > > _________________________________________________________________ > Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one > place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: > 269.10.1/889 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 8:00 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 10:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B863C01D; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-10 required=10 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Message-ID: <002901c7c084$7a1fa9e0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <22AA25DD-C2CF-47C4-991F-C23A1F52D647@ubergadget.com> Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline ( Radio ) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 06:49:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:49:22 +0000 (UTC) I just noticed this http://www.savenetradio.org/ .... scary stuff Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev Fever" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline ( Radio ) > > Thank Gaia for the web, since now there are PLENTY of GOOD radio > ALTERNATIVES that can now be found! > What is on the web is the ONLY way I listen to any radio anymore to > find shows that play truly interesting and kool music. > > I am also gearing up to reviving my former show from years ago, Radio > Soiree (with the host, the Martian Neon Creature) as a podcast, > but have some bugs to overcome and some other obstacles to leap over > before I start doing that. Eventually.... > > -Rev. Fever > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 11:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BFBE3C022; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 07:59:13 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: nonaligned radio In-reply-to: <000c01c7c083$5025c5d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <034f01c7c08e$3c7fb580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfAg2fq3SkcuXvxSJ2YAsS13RHKpwACkDqA References: <000c01c7c083$5025c5d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:59:18 +0000 (UTC) I just took a look. It's playing Jack Bruce's Rope Ladder to the Moon. How disgustingly corporate. :-) Cool. I've bookmarked it. And there's always Pandora. What they need to do (according to analogy) is to exit "original Yahoo mode" (editors involved in every categorization) and go to full Web 2.0/Google mode (automated classification of music according to their "genome" schema - not an easy task) so they can really scale. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Duke [mailto:echohead@embarqmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 6:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: nonaligned radio Check out my old hometown station http://wrek.org/ possibly first on the web and still going strong. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 13:23:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 614443C023; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ovZN1CF8QDESG8bjGmQjSz6SkUo9pVcd4TJNF0Vo24v0rMRxjcz6H2yNolyhax/OniD9vB972a619z6A0az/MGMtBRf8lWnv8pRtgKDNixTsniQT3JaMV47HlJ1uR/TNvHXDZMQDjz5FjX4KRxWlKYoi9+yRfyr6oyIck35f3Xw=; X-YMail-OSG: QWVyOXMVM1k6HL..EFMumXddjSzj.25Q7nSx3zD583I.2oVKjDKY56457EtiI4YUBZUO8vr7uUtW43zKLrP60ezMxHE.hRjbGwq17eAk01DpwVzMYiNHm4KtwZZi Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 06:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: piranha bow (was:bows for guitars) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009c01c7bf6d$29292010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <81008.96010.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Ha, so did I. Seems like a very small company; I wonder if he's scratching his head over where a one-day spike in his sales may have come from. I may still only use this on my bow-modified LP Jr, though, since Per's comment about the rosin mucking up your strings is right on target... -t- --- RICK WALKER wrote: > andy butler wrote about the pirhanha bow: > "thanks Kelly, just ordered one of those. > if anyone's interested I'll report back about it (in > about a month)" > > > lol, we're like odd peas in a pod, Andy. > I immediately ordered one as well. > It'll be fun to compare notes. http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 13:39:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D189A3C026; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 09:39:56 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: piranha bow (was:bows for guitars) In-Reply-To: <81008.96010.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <81008.96010.qm@web43145.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 13:39:41 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 7 Jul 2007, Tim Nelson wrote: > Ha, so did I. Seems like a very small company; I > wonder if he's scratching his head over where a > one-day spike in his sales may have come from. I did the same, Tim. The last time I looked at the guy's site a year or so ago, they had only mail-based orders in place. Given the discussion this week, I looked and now they've added paypal. So he got another sale yesterday :). See how it does. We'll have lots of opinions, I'm sure. Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 17:53:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15C033C021; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:53:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <9D0095F4-8158-43E6-8E31-0C994ECB2514@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-14--634841305 From: Rev Fever Subject: OT: 777 !!! Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:53:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 17:53:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-14--634841305 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Happy 777 !!! Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS! So celebrate! Hurray! -Rev. Fever --Apple-Mail-14--634841305 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Happy 777 !!!=A0

Today is the 7th day, of = the 7th month, of the 7th year, which ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE = THOUSAND YEARS!

So = celebrate!=A0 Hurray!

-Rev. = Fever
= --Apple-Mail-14--634841305-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 18:15:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D57F3C028; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 777 !!! Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:15:18 +0000 Message-Id: <070720071815.13750.468FD836000864E9000035B62216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13750_1183832118_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:15:20 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13750_1183832118_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Didn't happen last year on the 6th of June? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Rev Fever Happy 777 !!! Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS! So celebrate! Hurray! -Rev. Fever --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13750_1183832118_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Didn't happen last year on the 6th of June?
 
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From: Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
Happy 777 !!!

Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS!

So celebrate! Hurray!

-Rev. Fever
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_13750_1183832118_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 7 18:20:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BF263C02B; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <468FD96E.4030002@biink.com> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:20:30 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 777 !!! References: <070720071815.13750.468FD836000864E9000035B62216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <070720071815.13750.468FD836000864E9000035B62216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 18:20:27 +0000 (UTC) > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Rev Fever > *Happy 777 !!! * > > Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which > ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS! > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Didn't happen last year on the 6th of June? No, that was 6th day, of the 6th month, of the 6th year. The Dali Lamas birthday. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db * http://biink.com/poole From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 00:37:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06643C035; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dB1GTNuxcdQAcEtiAlyLcGYddOy11HKtMgrZLhkV9sSfsgpOvwWLiCieIb7oDh/W5eIA2y4vBcybkFbt8iQi2H4Fw+oV3t2RVz2vetqEHOKkGGQWTl/kk2juQGgxa3HEfrNK7pnkjRFvDdy8jWxoHvEB8vhBiz1/u8EclzWlfLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FJq5zVhNF4B8HW7pRs7yZAEAHqHSLxxyZNny8xk+i6/racEOLQm79zM7TPQ4JuU97AwoliHOwn04a4B8+C9Li7v6uTfz1QpOFFZ6YTpEfywwjQ6WUk1vwjfqwcc1Ib9OvrAZ7e8mrWfrNpREgLG9uoAny3S0VkUY4+zrE2RvcA0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:37:17 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 777 !!! In-Reply-To: <468FD96E.4030002@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_117406_3163517.1183855037511" References: <070720071815.13750.468FD836000864E9000035B62216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <468FD96E.4030002@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6MFaV.A.0uF.AHDkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:37:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_117406_3163517.1183855037511 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline July 7, 1907 was 1000 years ago? On 7/7/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > From: Rev Fever > > *Happy 777 !!! * > > > > Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which > > ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS! > > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > Didn't happen last year on the 6th of June? > > No, that was 6th day, of the 6th month, of the 6th year. The Dali Lamas > birthday. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > ------=_Part_117406_3163517.1183855037511 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline July 7, 1907 was 1000 years ago?


On 7/7/07, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
>
>  -------------- Original message --------------
>
>     From: Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com>
>     *Happy 777 !!! *
>
>     Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which
>     ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS!
>

midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:

> Didn't happen last year on the 6th of June?

No, that was 6th day, of the 6th month, of the 6th year. The Dali Lamas
birthday.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db
* http://biink.com/poole



------=_Part_117406_3163517.1183855037511-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 00:50:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 574163C037; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4690433B.7020203@imt.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 18:51:55 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: 777 !!! References: <070720071815.13750.468FD836000864E9000035B62216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <468FD96E.4030002@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <71eguB.A.yPG.4SDkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 00:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Uhh..yeah and hey..really the only TRUE 7/7/7 was 2000 years ago. Not like it had any special meaning anyway. It's..ya know...just another day. Who said the numbers of months had any significance except to ID which day it is compared to some other day, correlating events and all that to a time where everyone can be there at the same time :-) -Bob Doug Cox wrote: > July 7, 1907 was 1000 years ago? > > > On 7/7/07, *David Beardsley* > wrote: > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > From: Rev Fever > > > *Happy 777 !!! * > > > > Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which > > ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS! > > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net > wrote: > > > Didn't happen last year on the 6th of June? > > No, that was 6th day, of the 6th month, of the 6th year. The Dali > Lamas > birthday. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > * http://biink.com/poole > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 02:15:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171313C03A; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qOlbE/lux9LUU7rtbd0u5V2JSvhJeGic901dg2nZq87IOZ1JChU44X5Dikyki2qdqbNt77SB9q5/awmV2Az9cLFzqo6k/y4WtmDCfGTgERbz6Hu3BC7xfJNzQpcCn2cHRZ9thIBpNL20jMiNvIcKaGpUUfHO1iPVtxZp7WaU7Ac=; X-YMail-OSG: vOfmWPwVM1lmn2f.CrWzTbCKgNeSJZ_sJJ9oYMCotWkLWmSskF86LlBhye3wqWA07LZ4Vdow_7N.ipcFmsJxePdMimvNVRT55ITMSOsDqd2.VDLzf_gs8OcUiWKE4A-- Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:15:47 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline ( Radio ) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <22AA25DD-C2CF-47C4-991F-C23A1F52D647@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <619034.57536.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 02:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, You mean KINK isn't good anymore? I haven't been able to hear it for 7 years since I moved east of the maountains, but i used to LOVE that station, especially 'Lights out". Rig --- Rev Fever wrote: > As a former radio DJ veteran from ages ago with 5 & > 1/2 years of > experience to my name, > I can irrefutably say that radio in America, as it > is now, SUCKS, and > has done so since at least the early 80's. > > I do not bother with it anymore and have not done so > for YEARS, but I > am aware of HOW BAD it is, > because I often, and INVOLUNTARILY, get exposed to > it, and KNOW that > it is complete crap now. > At least previously, it was maybe 50 / 50 between > crap and some good > stuff. Now it is hopeless. > > Aside from some public and / or a tiny few > grassroots radio station > efforts that are even left anymore (such as KBOO > 90.7FM here in > Portland,OR), > best to just FORGET about mainstream radio in the > USA today, and the > future, due to the corps(es) CONTROL of the over all > air waves, > which by the way, here in America, were ORIGINALLY > MEANT to be OWNED > by the CITIZENS of the USA! > If in doubt about that, check yer history books, and > also there was > no FCC until much later. > > THAT idea did not LAST very long due to certain > powerful powers-that- > be seeing HUGE future profits by TAKING OVER the air > waves > with the help of their well-paid political stooges > in "our" gov't. > Same crap still goes on today and the majority of > sheeple just > quietly go along with it. > > So, just kiss radio GOOD BYE for it EVER coming back > to being > anything even remotely good anymore, at least in the > USA. Ain't > gonna happen! > > (same for American TV too, which I have stayed away > from for almost > 20 years now, and LOVE it! BOOKS are MUCH BETTER! > ) > > Thank Gaia for the web, since now there are PLENTY > of GOOD radio > ALTERNATIVES that can now be found! > What is on the web is the ONLY way I listen to any > radio anymore to > find shows that play truly interesting and kool > music. > > I am also gearing up to reviving my former show from > years ago, Radio > Soiree (with the host, the Martian Neon Creature) as > a podcast, > but have some bugs to overcome and some other > obstacles to leap over > before I start doing that. Eventually.... > > -Rev. Fever > > > On Jul 6, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > Oh yeah - I forgot that element. Now all the radio > stations are owned > > by just a few companies (Clearchannel being the > biggie.) Which means > > that playlists are much more standardized than > they used to be. Less > > variety means less "survival of the fittest", > which in turn lowers > > quality and gradually lowers the need to get the > new cd. > > > > Wasn't there once a time when radio playlists were > more regional? > > > > There's a fairly recent development in this in the > last 5 years or so > > too - radio stations without dj's. They just throw > a larger-than usual > > playlist into a central computer, and feed that > playlist to the > > 'variety' station in each city. The biggest one in > San Francisco has > > the motto "70's, 80's, 90's, whatever we feel > like". They should be > > sued for false advertising - "we" implies humans > and "feel" implies > > emotions! > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > On 7/6/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com > was > > all: > >> > >> To me, this is literally the crux of the societal > evolution angle. > >> RADIO. > >> It's sad that the media has become such a common > place and completely > >> effective tool of corporate business. Long ago > they put a stop to > >> giving us > >> free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting > society) via their > >> programming > >> are not allowed independent differentiations of > anything, but > >> rather their > >> focus became training us "how" to differentiate > in an effort to > >> best suite > >> their greed manifest. > >> > >> I personally am very happy with the current state > of the music > >> business. > >> Like it was many years ago in the advent of the > FM radio, the > >> Internet has > >> HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music > first, business > >> second" stance. > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> See what's free at AOL.com. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 03:17:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FEE3C034; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2040.74.70.98.21.1183864620.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <002001c7bb81$5cef2420$0affff0a@hppav> References: <002001c7bb81$5cef2420$0affff0a@hppav> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 03:17:17 +0000 (UTC) David, Just catching up on some e-mail, so this may be a bit late... For one, i'll chime in and cheer on your studio efforts to date. I *really* enjoy all three records of yours i have (two from UNDO and one from Super-Cannes). Many people with whom i have shared your music have really been knocked out with it. So, bravo! Go into your next recording session knowing listeners of diverse walks of life are charged by your music. Second, i can offer that i believe most of us go into the studio thinking, at least on some level, we are doing something for posterity's sake, that this should last, it should speak to generations, it is carved in stone, it's what we are leaving the world. However much or little truth to any of that there may be, LEAVE IT AT THE THE STUDIO DOOR WHEN YOU WALK IN. It's not easy, for many of us are paying a good chunk to record, or at the very least, making ourselves vulnerable within that moment of creation (the very definition of artist, to me)--it costs us, one way or another, and we feel we need a lasting return on our investment. At the risk of sounding like i am preaching the Buddhist doctrine, i say embrace the *impermancence* of what you are doing when you go in to record. "Shiver!--the Record button is on!" Forget about it already. It's NOT going to capture who you are and what you do no matter what, it'll only be a snapshot, so accept that and have fun. Ever seen a still image of log rollers?--it's quite a different thing in motion, especially when you're doing the rolling. That's being the artist, and the best an audience can expect from a recording is that still image. Roll on anyway! The "still image" you leave behind will be better for it. Third, if you are particularly worried about repeating certain patterns, i encourage you to immerse yourself in music very foreign to your own but that speaks to you just before recording. Bring it into the studio even. I saw Terry Bozzio do this with a field recording of Senegalese tribal drummers. He couldn't possibly replicate what they were doing, but it put him in a different place, it threw him in the deep end, if you will. Personally, i've done it with Steve Reich recordings, Thai classical music, the latest in Top 40 slick pop. Try Judy Garland, play it on 10. I've blathered on... Let me say just one other thing: it's GREAT NEWS to hear you are heading back into the studio, David! Let us all know when you feel you have something new to share. Best, Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY COMING SOON! Pseudophone's "Reach" A free EP from Negative Sound Institute http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ > On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Hi - > > > > > I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've > fallen > > into patterns. I'd like to try something different. > > > > > Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > > > > And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some > concepts or > > strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? > > > > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > > > > > David > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 04:04:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE1CD3C036; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.234] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: nonaligned radio Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:04:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2007 04:04:27.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[13A31F80:01C7C115] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:04:28 +0000 (UTC) I did some stuff on KBOO summer of '78. I did Radio Esoterica on KBVR the OSU station,in Corvallis on and off between '75 and 82 or 3. I was never a student-my version of pirate radio was to just take over a slot.No -one ever thought to ask if I was a student. I'd been around when people did that at WGTU in DC,the Georgetown U station. There are a number of Micro pirate stations I knew some people in the 90s who broadcast with this little tiny 15 watt transmitters,and they'd get several people around the SF/Berkely /Oakland doing it simultaneoulsy ,which made them almost impossible to catch ,cause you have to triangulate to locate a signal source. Years ago I knew someone who would broadcast from a van-a moving signal is also hard to locate. Berkely and Santa Cruz have Free radio stations that have been going for years.Periodically the FCC siezes their equip,but they get some more and continue-maybe change broadcast freq. There are actually fairly cheap freqs on AM radio in many area. I've been picking up tis statioin that broadcasts in Hindi,Urdu ,Punjabi mostly talk ,but they play a lot of Filmi and Indian Pop some of which is very cool. Very low broadcats standards they constantly cut things off and jump around , volume changes radically.Radio Hamasafer I pick up a Chinese AM station too,I just listen to the sound of the language,like it's music it's probably all ads ,I can't even tell. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com From jyl@sina.com Sun Jul 8 04:07:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 603 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 04:07:30 UTC Received: from wsip-66-210-31-46.ks.ok.cox.net (wsip-66-210-31-46.ks.ok.cox.net [66.210.31.46]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D89043C035 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [40.145.49.57] (helo=pjjsy) by wsip-66-210-31-46.ks.ok.cox.net with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) id 1I7OAH-0002mn-9x; Sat, 7 Jul 2007 23:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <469063AD.8040001@netgate.com.uy> Date: Sat, 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08 Jul 2007 04:16:02.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2012810:01C7C116] Resent-Message-ID: <7IV9QB.A.biH.DUGkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:16:03 +0000 (UTC) The gregorian calndar-like the 12ET tuning system tries to force the world to fit into equal units. Why 12 tones months inches? maybe because there are actually 13 moons (the root of the word month) in a solar year, . Here's a list of other calendar systems. _________________________________________________________________ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 04:20:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FDFC3C036; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--597184530 From: Rev Fever Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 21:20:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:20:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--597184530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since the last time I checked, they are no longer up at this site. Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the address. Whoever manages this site is very accommodating and reasonably fast about doing so. Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged. Enjoy! -Rev. Fever 'We continue our fascination of the late, great British broadcaster John Peel with another excellent show from the archives. This time the collaboration of two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced the often talked about album No Pussyfooting that was designed to showcase tape-echo and delay techniques to the mass pop audience. Here, the gentlemen offered two tracks exclusively for Peel's Top Gear show.' http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=448&albref=14 --Apple-Mail-5--597184530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
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Details to do so are given at = the site. Scroll down for the address. Whoever manages this site is very = accommodating and reasonably fast about doing so.=A0
Also, = rare submissions to this site are encouraged.=A0 Enjoy!

-Rev. Fever=A0


'We continue our = fascination of the late, great British broadcaster John Peel with = another excellent show from the archives. This time the collaboration of = two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced the often talked about album = No Pussyfooting that was designed to showcase tape-echo and delay = techniques to the mass pop audience. Here, the gentlemen offered two = tracks exclusively for Peel's Top Gear = show.'

= http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=3D448&albref=3D14= --Apple-Mail-5--597184530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 04:24:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C7913C044; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.234] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070708021549.B06AE3C042@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re:nonaligned radio Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 21:24:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2007 04:24:53.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE87BC30:01C7C117] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 04:24:54 +0000 (UTC) I did some stuff on KBOO summer of '78. I did Radio Esoterica on KBVR the OSU station,in Corvallis on and off between '75 and 82 or 3. I was never a student-my version of pirate radio was to just take over a slot.No -one ever thought to ask if I was a student. I'd been around when people did that at WGTU in DC,the Georgetown U station. There are a number of Micro pirate stations I knew some people in the 90s who broadcast with this little tiny 15 watt transmitters,and they'd get several people around the SF/Berkely /Oakland doing it simultaneoulsy ,which made them almost impossible to catch ,cause you have to triangulate to locate a signal source. Years ago I knew someone who would broadcast from a van-a moving signal is also hard to locate. Berkely and Santa Cruz have Free radio stations that have been going for years.Periodically the FCC siezes their equip,but they get some more and continue-maybe change broadcast freq. There are actually fairly cheap freqs on AM radio in many area. I've been picking up tis statioin that broadcasts in Hindi,Urdu ,Punjabi mostly talk ,but they play a lot of Filmi and Indian Pop some of which is very cool. Very low broadcats standards they constantly cut things off and jump around , volume changes radically.Radio Hamasafer I pick up a Chinese AM station too,I just listen to the sound of the language,like it's music it's probably all ads ,I can't even tell. _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!  http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 09:47:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D72323C046; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20070708094705131.200EC700008D@mwinf2a29.orange.fr Message-ID: <4690B297.6080504@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:47:03 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: randomness References: <07999BBF-8882-4DA8-BEE8-1B8F1A7DC18B@kenaxis.com> <51AE7036-B05C-460F-A6C7-1ED849A9BF9E@gmail.com> <045c01c7b673$b8e750d0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <045c01c7b673$b8e750d0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung schrieb: > Heck, someone (not me, but a real max guru) could write a patch that > forced you to play non-diatonicially, by analying the frequencies of > your input and shutting you down if they followed a particular diatonic > pattern - scales, etc. That would be hilarious...a max mentor patch to > train someone how not to play inside. You get rated and scored based on > what you play. I'd not shut you down, but retune it to a even more avoidable note randomly, you'd gain points if you repeat that note to make it right, you'd loose the points again if you play that note more than 3 times in a given period... If you gain enough points, you will be retuned to a gigantic chord representing the score. If you play too good, the computer will jealously take over and play by itself ignoring whatever you put in... Just dreaming new pieces... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 14:25:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 960B13C050; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=34poV4+KQJ2JXxS7zcMU8YLqyexIwQqfx4m7RzaUMX2vwFES/NGiDTwP7VR4vgn9KCP+Rpwa6RFq6FLxzzWcROSFYcYNxCBA+gLMAIhvvaM7TTdxIf7vfXXE5CsX/NI+T0XPStpMRfL2DecrN5UmzLd9+z98Ii+B7Xnf+GGXbg4=; X-YMail-OSG: 7jY0acAVM1nUPB.AGzOVBPWGBJt3DsoGfbmvoq0ZpNiwtofwfG0PDRvzEpOGiwD4lXKEXNItkjF0uVUZRngW3CdvfSOPrAaR4PvCaqVQETjE6B2v5gw- Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 07:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: online radio stations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <233430.20646.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_0Lt5C.A.arH.ePPkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:25:34 +0000 (UTC) i love this station to chill out http://www.lounge-radio.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 cheers Luis --- Matt Davignon wrote: > Oh yeah - I forgot that element. Now all the radio > stations are owned > by just a few companies (Clearchannel being the > biggie.) Which means > that playlists are much more standardized than they > used to be. Less > variety means less "survival of the fittest", which > in turn lowers > quality and gradually lowers the need to get the new > cd. > > Wasn't there once a time when radio playlists were > more regional? > > There's a fairly recent development in this in the > last 5 years or so > too - radio stations without dj's. They just throw a > larger-than usual > playlist into a central computer, and feed that > playlist to the > 'variety' station in each city. The biggest one in > San Francisco has > the motto "70's, 80's, 90's, whatever we feel like". > They should be > sued for false advertising - "we" implies humans and > "feel" implies > emotions! > > Matt > > > > On 7/6/07, BreachinThePeace@aol.com > was all: > > > > To me, this is literally the crux of the societal > evolution angle. RADIO. > > It's sad that the media has become such a common > place and completely > > effective tool of corporate business. Long ago > they put a stop to giving us > > free choices in that we (as a unsuspecting > society) via their programming > > are not allowed independent differentiations of > anything, but rather their > > focus became training us "how" to differentiate in > an effort to best suite > > their greed manifest. > > > > I personally am very happy with the current state > of the music business. > > Like it was many years ago in the advent of the FM > radio, the Internet has > > HELPED musicians to reclaim a more so "music > first, business second" stance. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > See what's free at AOL.com. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 14:59:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06313C04D; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z+SwsQO/J5k6ji7nEZmKP+0eTZyjs7JLTc3wr1LPv3QUAYCcUSicMjxknO1bOrpcSuU0ucJWXHXgqpOlzSzWeOllEWRt0GnhC5BfXaXpME02axQqEwlQBkVMAOSHjHRn7S8tSJB9RbESfYlwzvt7R1uPTp3c4iS8uPaq+JZWEwI=; X-YMail-OSG: xWVQfycVM1n2zYB7eJ6MxM3jH.RIXfSgnaDOjJES9cWxTjN7Iz4Z1XAgCkHvS3BHFiqeyBxN1hUUzBmKNgdLh28aGxA9_CZNAaE5on9ZUQHqYz6P0s4B3xJw5d7m.A-- Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 07:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: bows for guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <468B52AF.5020108@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <973787.22429.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 14:59:38 +0000 (UTC) thank you all for the wonderful thread information some amazing links and gadgets i wasnt aware of! cheers Luis --- andy butler wrote: > hi Luis. > > The basic problems are > 1) the body of the guitar gets in the way > 2) the bridge for a bowable instrument really needs > to be curved, so you can > access individual strings ( so the fretboard needs > to be curved too) > > so the only good solutions I know are > > 1) a custom built instrument > 2) ebow ;-) > 3) there's a technique I sometimes used for bass > which would work with guitar, only works > for the two outside strings and not that easy to > co-ordinate, but I can share that if you like. > > http://www.myspace.com/bernhardguenter > has a custom instrument. > > andy butler > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Hi Gang, > > id like to start experimenting with bows which > work > > better for guitars and can you spare some > techniques > > string gage etc.?Although Jimmy page has been an > > inspiration i didnt find his bowing technique > > particulary exciting,any other artists out there? > > thanx! > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > > that gives answers, not web links. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 15:56:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48B4D3C04F; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=phicRTxi2Cj8vZijWOD4jBluDv2dLA/tFMcXsj7Rkhqar/aymMCiKWGUu62QLqpZ2Y54qpFWnFp4sDr0IMjrO6whU18HiytQq7oJ2EME9yzuE4eQPoWHNUQyIXAx+7pLX8lxnZzm2paJRbVhxhYGHi0nUKc9plqrlmigFxayp/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ImDak0XZ+aeZq4MjHsKtYTcM2BaJ3MlswfS8rlu5TM6peBS220owiq+9nyoq2bB8kVDmJ/ST4pi5B1XomfevLeo8AaQpTVb8BGWwawL4sdoWBuPr5MU1Wg0A0G/QWiAkqWDqwpmBtyJo8NrDOenx60kLbiA4P1HoPtnrjT3WUIU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <233430.20646.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <233430.20646.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: online radio stations Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:56:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4Vmxs.A.sbE.HlQkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:56:56 +0000 (UTC) On 8 jul 2007, at 16.25, L.A. Angulo wrote: > i love this station to chill out > http://www.lounge-radio.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 > cheers > Luis Thanks. Interesting! My own long time love is http://somafm.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:16:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDE6C3C050; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <2040.74.70.98.21.1183864620.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> References: <002001c7bb81$5cef2420$0affff0a@hppav> <2040.74.70.98.21.1183864620.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--554251816 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:16:18 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:16:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--554251816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:17 PM, p koniuto wrote: > Second, i can offer that i believe most of us go into the > studio thinking, at least on some level, we are doing > something for posterity's sake, that this should last, it > should speak to generations, it is carved in stone, it's what > we are leaving the world. I'm quite surprised by this. I have to say that when I am recording the idea that anyone will care about what I am doing is the last thing from my mind. Depending on whether it is a personal project or session work my thoughts usually range from "How am I going to make this sound huge?" to "How am I going to make this suck less than it does?" - I've never thought about the idea of a 'legacy'. Wouldn't that seem a bit presumptuous and maybe a bit naff? You are right though- if one was thinking these thoughts it would absolutely affect the work. I've occassionaly worked with the odd person who can be best described as wanna-bee auteur- these people are usually more trouble than they are worth and best avoided, unless the money is right. I would rather an easier life, myself. Regards, Jim Richmond Currently positioned next to a farting bulldog. Green Village, NJ --Apple-Mail-1--554251816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jul 7, 2007, at = 11:17 PM, p koniuto wrote:

Second, i can offer that i = believe most of us go into the

studio thinking, at least on some level, we are = doing

something = for posterity's sake, that this should last, it

should speak to generations, = it is carved in stone, it's what

we are leaving the world.

=

I'm quite surprised by this.

I have to say that when I = am recording the idea that anyone will care about what I am doing is the = last thing from my mind.
Depending=A0on whether it is a = personal project or session work my thoughts usually range from "How am = I going to make this sound huge?" to "How am I going to make this suck = less than it does?" - I've never thought about=A0 the idea of a = 'legacy'.

Wouldn't that seem a bit = presumptuous and maybe a bit naff?
You are right though- if = one was thinking these thoughts it would absolutely affect the = work.

I've = occassionaly worked with the odd person who can be best described = as=A0wanna-bee auteur- these people are usually more trouble than they = are worth and best avoided, unless the money is right.
I would = rather an easier life, myself.

Regards,=A0

Jim Richmond

Currently positioned next = to a farting bulldog.
Green Village, NJ
= --Apple-Mail-1--554251816-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:17:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE9B53C053; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001601c7c00c$a3616c80$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <001601c7c00c$a3616c80$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DC898EE-EBBE-4D57-800A-C981A7FF3671@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:12:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) If I had received this letter via the post on parchment written in india ink, I might take it seriously, but as it is (all digital and shit) all I get from reading it is "Mark, you SUCK." I love you, Mark On Jul 6, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > i am in joke-mode, so please forgive me: > > have you heard, that japanese engineers said "love" to a drop of > water under a microscope and the molecule structure looked nice and > when they said "hitler" to the drop, it looked really ugly? > > for further in depth study: http://www.ghchealth.com/water- > purification > > what happens to your brainwaves if you listen to techno on an LP? > the music was made entirely digital, but the LP is analogue, right? > how will your brainwaves cope with that conflict? > aren't most of our loopers digital? > > > i once overheard a guy saying that his music sounded better if > produced in hannover (his hometown) then in berlin. because > berlin's electricity is generated in old fashioned coal-burning > plants and hannover's juice is nuclear, therefore "cleaner"! > (my wild guess is: in berlin he calls for a pizza, but the food in > hannover is probably mum's? food has a large effect on mixing...) > > smooth looping - tilmann > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:34 PM > Subject: A/B listening tests > > >> There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as >> good as analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the >> difference in A/B tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer >> mag in the early 90s about some Japanese engineers measuring >> brain wave responses to both analog and digital.Turned out after >> about 20 minutes of analog the brain halves went into a mode of >> Entrainmentwhich the digital never aroused. I suspect higher >> sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't seen any >> further research on the matter. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http:// >> club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 16:51:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B7233C054; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <6DC898EE-EBBE-4D57-800A-C981A7FF3671@zerocrossing.net> References: <001601c7c00c$a3616c80$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <6DC898EE-EBBE-4D57-800A-C981A7FF3671@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7AC19A3E-3108-48DC-93B1-778B40C76A38@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:50:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:51:03 +0000 (UTC) See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwave_synchronization Enjoy. -Rev. Fever >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:34 PM >> Subject: A/B listening tests >> >>> There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound >>> as good as analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the >>> difference in A/B tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording >>> Engineer mag in the early 90s about some Japanese engineers >>> measuring brain wave responses to both analog and digital.Turned >>> out after about 20 minutes of analog the brain halves went into a >>> mode of Entrainment which the digital never aroused. I suspect >>> higher sampling rates would make a difference ,but haven't seen >>> any further research on the matter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 18:25:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 143393C057; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008b01c7c18d$575cd680$5fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <07999BBF-8882-4DA8-BEE8-1B8F1A7DC18B@kenaxis.com> <51AE7036-B05C-460F-A6C7-1ED849A9BF9E@gmail.com> <045c01c7b673$b8e750d0$9db1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4690B297.6080504@addcom.de> Subject: Re: randomness Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:25:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <4oOcmB.A.imE.TwSkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Sound fun! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:47 AM Subject: Re: randomness > Krispen Hartung schrieb: >> Heck, someone (not me, but a real max guru) could write a patch that >> forced you to play non-diatonicially, by analying the frequencies of >> your input and shutting you down if they followed a particular diatonic >> pattern - scales, etc. That would be hilarious...a max mentor patch to >> train someone how not to play inside. You get rated and scored based on >> what you play. > > I'd not shut you down, but retune it to a even more avoidable note > randomly, you'd gain points if you repeat that note to make it right, > you'd loose the points again if you play that note more than 3 times in > a given period... If you gain enough points, you will be retuned to a > gigantic chord representing the score. If you play too good, the > computer will jealously take over and play by itself ignoring whatever > you put in... > > Just dreaming new pieces... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 20:12:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0E123C056; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20070708201208926.E21347000087@mwinf2359.orange.fr Message-ID: <46914518.4020701@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:12:08 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: .dll windows vst's in osX? References: <4cf76a0b0706231135k2e2f81cya2e64ab4e5b0c75b@mail.gmail.com> <8A6C5547-FC76-4A34-B7A2-6ED6D4AFAF2E@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706241825k3d8689f1v972c5576e9363421@mail.gmail.com> <75747E26-11F4-4F96-B470-4AB26CF514A7@zerocrossing.net> In-Reply-To: <75747E26-11F4-4F96-B470-4AB26CF514A7@zerocrossing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Mark Sottilaro schrieb: > Ah, that's a beautiful dream... but like the dream where I'm flying to > a house where naked women are making me waffles, it's never going to > happen. But it should be possible with intel Macs, they share the same processor. Sooner or later somebody will make a wrapper... Maybe by trashing the original GUI, because that will use windows calls... In the end, that's what dreams are about: want you to make it happen... I could imagine that vst dlls could run with wine on Macintels. All the plugzilla stuff is doing that as far as I know on Linux basis. Its the same kind of problem, not sure if its easy to set up... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 20:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDC233C061; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:40:02 +0200 From: Luca Bonvini Subject: Re: .dll windows vst's in osX? In-reply-to: <46914518.4020701@addcom.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <1CE10523-A6C8-4094-B093-C4C5534ACA22@free.fr> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <4cf76a0b0706231135k2e2f81cya2e64ab4e5b0c75b@mail.gmail.com> <8A6C5547-FC76-4A34-B7A2-6ED6D4AFAF2E@zerocrossing.net> <4cf76a0b0706241825k3d8689f1v972c5576e9363421@mail.gmail.com> <75747E26-11F4-4F96-B470-4AB26CF514A7@zerocrossing.net> <46914518.4020701@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:40:10 +0000 (UTC) BTW does anybody was successful in having mobius working on> XP>vmware fusion>macbook? would it be possible or the virtual machine creates too much gap? Thanks, Luca On 08/lug/07, at 22:12, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Mark Sottilaro schrieb: >> Ah, that's a beautiful dream... but like the dream where I'm >> flying to a house where naked women are making me waffles, it's >> never going to happen. > > But it should be possible with intel Macs, they share the same > processor. Sooner or later somebody will make a wrapper... Maybe by > trashing the original GUI, because that will use windows calls... > > In the end, that's what dreams are about: want you to make it > happen... > > I could imagine that vst dlls could run with wine on Macintels. All > the plugzilla stuff is doing that as far as I know on Linux basis. > Its the same kind of problem, not sure if its easy to set up... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 8 20:40:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4F603C060; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004b01c7c1a0$2a256390$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <001601c7c00c$a3616c80$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <6DC898EE-EBBE-4D57-800A-C981A7FF3671@zerocrossing.net> Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:40:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/SbdRSpekJbfuG9BsqFF4Mu7WIOFyQ7KaQAsp re8wtPZqnRULdH+frnrmDuAb4oq6CyF+ZBauXP9lH/3fQJA0nc QBv3JezntD8bUBsW/PfDUFezvuh88KS Resent-Message-ID: <6Bmfa.A.BWE.yuUkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 20:40:18 +0000 (UTC) wow. i hope i haven't stepped on anybody else's toes, too... mark (and above all: samba) please accept my apologies if i have overplayed it this time. i am really glad to be in this list and i appreciate the work and the seriousness of the participating members. the night i wrote my message i had had some really good wine and just typed away for fun. hence the starting line ending with "please forgive me". yes, i was mocking, but i didn't mean my words to sting, didn't mean to dis or vibe anybody. i'll be a little more careful from now on. peace - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: A/B listening tests > If I had received this letter via the post on parchment written in india > ink, I might take it seriously, but as it is (all digital and shit) all I > get from reading it is "Mark, you SUCK." > > I love you, > > Mark > > On Jul 6, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> i am in joke-mode, so please forgive me: >> >> have you heard, that japanese engineers said "love" to a drop of water >> under a microscope and the molecule structure looked nice and when they >> said "hitler" to the drop, it looked really ugly? >> >> for further in depth study: http://www.ghchealth.com/water- purification >> >> what happens to your brainwaves if you listen to techno on an LP? >> the music was made entirely digital, but the LP is analogue, right? >> how will your brainwaves cope with that conflict? >> aren't most of our loopers digital? >> >> >> i once overheard a guy saying that his music sounded better if produced >> in hannover (his hometown) then in berlin. because berlin's electricity >> is generated in old fashioned coal-burning plants and hannover's juice >> is nuclear, therefore "cleaner"! >> (my wild guess is: in berlin he calls for a pizza, but the food in >> hannover is probably mum's? food has a large effect on mixing...) >> >> smooth looping - tilmann >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:34 PM >> Subject: A/B listening tests >> >> >>> There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as good >>> as analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in >>> A/B tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording Engineer mag in the early >>> 90s about some Japanese engineers measuring brain wave responses to >>> both analog and digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the >>> brain halves went into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never >>> aroused. I suspect higher sampling rates would make a difference ,but >>> haven't seen any further research on the matter. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Don't get caught with egg on your face. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 00:40:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 086663BF94; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sx+OqoflA9UdrejdDKhvyxBMK8YQ/9wZ1cb/vH7a1gfn3SR26FmWHSl8BBvakae2Wor5sZ/MCfxwQrjk7VTPeCcnKdre+t79hcXVJgtJpuTorPthnrD6JBG5l+QcLzNuv0C1kY4EKZMRB1HzFIDAHy5WQpUTxerDu6EYauTMoZE=; X-YMail-OSG: WSZFaMIVM1kwIq5qGFRGwHmqkcQ.hz2ir1bEIB66P6B0xpTDLz0GfmVav3nCC9SKqisOgN9gXB1fWkVmbqhKPkj4lYAsnMhQQnan.Dj4CSdryBOAEGJP0dUjL9Vm7A-- Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 17:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: HsAcNoStEtN late posts, thanks, signing off.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070708161750.9CA4A3C054@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1197954495-1183941606=:480" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <606453.480.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:40:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1197954495-1183941606=:480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit just wanted to say a real quick thanks to all for the posts & info i've gotten from this list....had a change in status, and finding that i've gone from checking email once a week to hardly never....so i'm signing off... have been listening to dt's PREZENS loads lately and have been enjoying it. also been listening to the fripp/eno release from 2 yrs ago (can't remember the name to save my life). one little odd listening is i found a compilation cd of lee renaldo's called "east jesus", it has odds and ends from his 80's releases, in the liner notes it says he uses tape loops on a number of things, interesting to hear the repeating bits going...its mostly guitar noise, atonal, but interesting ... i just finished building my new guitar and i'm trying to get used to it (still needs work), so thats taken up a lot of my time lately. my future plans is to try to update some songs to my myspace site-want to do some of my acoustic singer-songwriter things -they are short songs, and have some acoustic looping bridge 2 songs together...not sure when i'll get to that....but its on my mind.... my setup (A LATE POST)-gtr--rocktron silver dragon--zoom g2--digitech rp150--boss dd20--to either digital recorder or my marshall 10w amp....mostly use the dd20 for short looping or the rp150 if i want to do mangly time stretching w/ lots of digital sound...not great but works, about the only thing i miss is my reverse options from my old dod d12, but i'm surviving... happy looping, s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. --0-1197954495-1183941606=:480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
just wanted to say a real quick thanks to all for the posts & info i've gotten from this list....had a change in status, and finding that i've gone from checking email
once a week to hardly never....so i'm signing off...
 
have been listening to dt's PREZENS loads lately and have been enjoying it.
also been listening to the fripp/eno release from 2 yrs ago (can't remember the name to
save my life).
one little odd listening is i found a compilation cd of lee renaldo's called "east jesus", it
has odds and ends from his 80's releases, in the liner notes it says he uses tape loops on a number of things, interesting to hear the repeating bits going...its mostly guitar noise, atonal, but interesting ...
 
i just finished building my new guitar and i'm trying to get used to it (still needs work), so thats taken up a lot of my time lately.
my future plans is to try to update some songs to my myspace site-want to do some of my acoustic singer-songwriter things -they are short songs, and have some acoustic looping bridge 2 songs together...not sure when i'll get to that....but its on my mind....
 
my setup (A LATE POST)-gtr--rocktron silver dragon--zoom g2--digitech rp150--boss dd20--to either digital recorder or my marshall 10w amp....mostly use the dd20 for short looping or the rp150 if i want to do mangly time stretching w/ lots of digital sound...not great but works, about the only thing i miss is my reverse options from my old dod d12, but i'm surviving...
happy looping,
s---
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TV. --0-1197954495-1183941606=:480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 01:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9DA03C04F; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004b01c7c1a0$2a256390$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <001601c7c00c$a3616c80$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> <6DC898EE-EBBE-4D57-800A-C981A7FF3671@zerocrossing.net> <004b01c7c1a0$2a256390$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <278459E5-9E60-475A-AABD-CECFB9CA888B@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:37:21 -0700 To: Tilmann Dehnhard , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Why do you still insist on hurting me with your pointy digital words!? Dude, I was totally being sarcastic as you were. I love your post. Screw careful, go for it. Mark On Jul 8, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > wow. > i hope i haven't stepped on anybody else's toes, too... > mark (and above all: samba) please accept my apologies if i have > overplayed it this time. > i am really glad to be in this list and i appreciate the work and > the seriousness of the participating members. > the night i wrote my message i had had some really good wine and > just typed away for fun. > hence the starting line ending with "please forgive me". > > yes, i was mocking, but i didn't mean my words to sting, didn't > mean to dis or vibe anybody. > i'll be a little more careful from now on. > > peace - tilmann > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sottilaro" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: A/B listening tests > > >> If I had received this letter via the post on parchment written >> in india ink, I might take it seriously, but as it is (all >> digital and shit) all I get from reading it is "Mark, you SUCK." >> >> I love you, >> >> Mark >> >> On Jul 6, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: >> >>> i am in joke-mode, so please forgive me: >>> >>> have you heard, that japanese engineers said "love" to a drop of >>> water under a microscope and the molecule structure looked nice >>> and when they said "hitler" to the drop, it looked really ugly? >>> >>> for further in depth study: http://www.ghchealth.com/water- >>> purification >>> >>> what happens to your brainwaves if you listen to techno on an LP? >>> the music was made entirely digital, but the LP is analogue, right? >>> how will your brainwaves cope with that conflict? >>> aren't most of our loopers digital? >>> >>> >>> i once overheard a guy saying that his music sounded better if >>> produced in hannover (his hometown) then in berlin. because >>> berlin's electricity is generated in old fashioned coal-burning >>> plants and hannover's juice is nuclear, therefore "cleaner"! >>> (my wild guess is: in berlin he calls for a pizza, but the food >>> in hannover is probably mum's? food has a large effect on mixing...) >>> >>> smooth looping - tilmann >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "samba -" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:34 PM >>> Subject: A/B listening tests >>> >>> >>>> There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound >>>> as good as analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell >>>> the difference in A/B tests.I read a bit in Mix ,or Recording >>>> Engineer mag in the early 90s about some Japanese engineers >>>> measuring brain wave responses to both analog and >>>> digital.Turned out after about 20 minutes of analog the brain >>>> halves went into a mode of Entrainmentwhich the digital never >>>> aroused. I suspect higher sampling rates would make a >>>> difference ,but haven't seen any further research on the matter. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! >>>> http:// club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 02:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06B33C04D; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more tuba loopage example/samples Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 02:11:20 +0000 (UTC) More today with my improvisational live-looping tuba project Ouroboros. Two sets sampled today: (Track names my fault. All tracks recorded live, all source audio live-sampled tuba, no post-processing or layering other than cleaning noise using SoundSoap.) http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/didjwalk.mp3 didjwalk - 19min43sec. Only non-looping effect used was the Moogerfooger MF-105B Bass MuRF. http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/whales_event_horizon.mp3 Whales at the Event Horizon - 15min01sec. There's a couple of volume peaks in the first minute that headphones might not be advisable for. best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Ouroboros http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 03:46:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E653C05B; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:45:10 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-reply-to: <11086506.1183679392740.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4691AF46.4050207@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0b41668b92b7b29c01de39522c04b97e@glasswing.com> <554768.56967.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13627369.1183613966190.JavaMail.root@m11> <468D7486.5000602@soundscapes.us> <11086506.1183679392740.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 03:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Michael Billow wrote: > Bill Fox, that was obnoxious and wholly unwarranted. I never > indicated any value judgments about wether the internet was "good" > or "bad" I simply made the distinction that it was the reason why > the music industry has changed - in direct response to the previous > claim. I could go on about how inappropriate your dissection of my > post is but instead I will simply request that you kindly refrain from > attacking people in here with such a condescending tone, and if you > must then at LEAST read more carefully what your responding to > before you mis-characterize what they've said. Obnoxious? Well, if you think so, then perhaps I was. But just because I tore into your points of discussion doesn't mean it was a personal attack against *you*. Grow a skin, man, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 04:02:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5B5B3C05C; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:02:15 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-reply-to: <30536602.1183732852568.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4691B347.9090105@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <30536602.1183732852568.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <_5R68C.A.o2D.kNbkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:02:44 +0000 (UTC) midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Theres tons of great music out there. You just have to look harder. > Radio is the villian. I agree with you. However, I hope that you'll consider putting a qualifier in that statement: *Commercial* radio. As the host of a show on a non-commercial station that plays non-mainstream music and regularly features the playing of entire albums, I would hope that I don't qualify as one of those sorts of villains. ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 04:14:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218EB3C04D; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:14:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: A/B listening tests In-reply-to: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:14:54 +0000 (UTC) samba - wrote: > There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as > good as > analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in A/B > tests. Speaking of A/B testing, according to what I've read, the difference between 16 and 24 bit digital can be heard much more easily than the difference between 44.1kHz and 192kHz. So it isn't the sample frequency but the bit resolution of each sample. Plus, the more linear the AD and DA conversions are, the more transparent the process becomes. Bit depth and conversion linearity seem to far outstrip sample frequency at obtaining audible quality improvements. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 04:23:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98AE33C05A; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:22:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-reply-to: <9201865.1183755773627.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4691B81E.4000001@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9201865.1183755773627.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote: > Wasn't there once a time when radio playlists were more regional? Once upon a time, that was true. That was how local bands became regional bands became national bands. As more and more radio stations picked up on an act, the bigger the act got. (That the slow path as opposed to being "discovered.") Now Clear Channel is the McDonald's of radio. Each hamburger tastes exactly alike no matter where it's served. These days, a radio station won't play anything except: 1. bands that the corporate office tells them to play. 2. bands that can tell them what other stations are playing their music. Of course that's none because getting that first station to play your music without being able to say... Well, you know it's Catch 22. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 04:35:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E993C060; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:35:02 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: nonaligned radio In-reply-to: <1514963.1183779257699.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4691BAF6.6000500@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1514963.1183779257699.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:35:49 +0000 (UTC) samba - wrote: > Unfortunately NPR is a corporate shill now too.Some independent > stations I like at least at times are. KFJC Los Altos CA. At times > they play very strange music,as does KZSU at Stanford. And the > inimitable WFMU, This is a common misunderstanding. NPR doesn't own any stations. They sell their product to "affiliate" stations. AFAIK it's mostly (all?) news and talk, etc., not music programs. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It is up to the individual stations to decide how corporate vs. how off the wall/adventurous they wish to be with their music programming. If the stations where I volunteer are any indication, most of the music programming you hear on non-commercial FM stations are locally produced; syndicated shows like Echoes and HoS not withstanding. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 04:41:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F86F3C054; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:40:53 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Save Net Radio In-reply-to: <19755947.1183805880411.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4691BC55.3040604@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <22AA25DD-C2CF-47C4-991F-C23A1F52D647@ubergadget.com> <19755947.1183805880411.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <0Qc6lB.A.V7F.yxbkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke wrote: > I just noticed this http://www.savenetradio.org/ .... scary stuff Oh my goodness. Where have you been? I linked to that website long ago. Here's a post I saw recently that might be of interest to some of our LD community. Cheers, Bill > From: http://www.savenetradio.org/about/myths_and_facts.html > > A recent decision by the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) that increases > the royalties owed by Internet webcasters pay to play music by between > 300 and 1200% has jeopardized the future of Internet Radio. This > decision will affect millions of Americans who enjoy the unparalleled > radio diversity that is only available on the Internet; and hundreds > of thousands of artists who depend on Net radio to reach new fans, and > thousands of webcasters whose livelihood depends on their ability to > play music for their listeners. > > MYTH: Broadcast radio, satellite radio and Internet Radio pay the > same amount of royalties to creators of music, or pay proportionate > relative to the size of their businesses. > > FACT: The smallest medium – Internet radio – pays the most royalties; > and under the new CRB royalty scheme the smallest webcasters will pay > the highest relative royalties in amounts shockingly disproportionate > to their revenue. > > * Broadcast radio, an industry with $20 billion in annual revenue, > is exempt and pays no performance royalties to record companies or > recording artists. > * Satellite radio, which has approximately $2 billion in annual > revenue pays between 3 and 7% of revenue in sound recording > performance royalties. > * The six largest Internet-only radio services anticipate combined > revenue of only $37.5 million in 2006, but will pay a whopping 47% (or > $17.6 million) in sound recording performance royalties under the new > CRB ruling. In 2008 combined revenues will total only $73.6 million, > but royalties will be 58% or $42.4 million. > * Small Internet radio services are essentially bankrupted by the > CRB ruling, with most anticipating royalty obligations equaling or > exceeding total revenue. > > > MYTH: Internet Radio isn't really that big anyway. Most people still > listen to traditional FM radio. > > FACT: At some point every day more than 7 million Americans are > listening to Internet radio. Studies by Arbitron and Bridge Ratings > conclude that between 50 and 70 million Americans listen to Internet > radio every month, and about 20 percent of 18-34 year olds listen to > Internet radio every week. > > > MYTH: If Internet Radio is so big the higher royalty rates should be > affordable. > > FACT: Internet radio is a relatively new industry with advertising > models still developing. Some services rely on banner ads; others are > selling traditional audio ads; and still others rely on sponsorships. > The vast majority of Webcasters will not be able to generate enough > advertising revenue to pay their new, higher royalty fees. > > > MYTH: The webcasters' previous royalty rate was too low and needed to > be increased to ensure that artists and record companies are paid fairly. > > FACT: Bankrupting the Internet radio industry will not benefit > artists or record companies, as total industry royalties will > diminish. Moreover, the demise of Internet radio will be particularly > harmful to independent artists and record labels whose music is rarely > played on broadcast radio. The American Association of Independent > Music reports that less than 10% of terrestrial radio performances are > independent music but more than 37% of non-terrestrial radio is > independent music. This benefits artists, labels and music fans. > > When Congress provided webcasters a guaranteed "statutory license" to > perform sound recordings, Congress intended that Internet radio would > flourish as a competitive medium offering diverse programming and > paying a royalty. Tripling webcasters royalties undermines all these > goals. > > > MYTH: Big webcasters can afford these royalties and they will each > offer hundreds or thousands of channels, so what's the big deal? > > FACT: The CRB royalty is so high that even the biggest Internet-only > radio services – including Yahoo, AOL, MTV and RealNetworks – will pay > a combined 50+ percent of their revenue for only this single royalty. > The only way to make a profitable, scalable business will be to > attract the largest audience and advertisers while reducing overhead > and innovation. The result will be "mass appeal" Internet radio > programming that will look much more like today's broadcast radio, > rather than the diverse programming that exemplifies today's Internet > radio. > > > MYTH: The rate is only increasing from 7/100 of a penny per song > streamed to 19/100 of a penny per song streamed over a 5-year period. > > FACT: Nearly tripling the per-song royalty rate is only the first > insult. > > * No Revenue-based Royalty Option. Prior to this decision all > small webcasters and some large webcasters had the choice of paying > royalties based on a percentage of their revenue that typically > equaled 10-12%. But the CRB decision did not offer a revenue-based > royalty option for any webcasters. > * Retroactive Impact. The CRB decision is effective as of January > 2006, so if it actually becomes effective for only one day its impact > will be immediate as the past due royalties alone will be enough to > bankrupt virtually all small and mid-sized webcasters. > * Per Station Minimum. The CRB piled on even more, by imposing a > $500 per channel minimum royalty that for many services will far > exceed the annual royalties that would otherwise be due even after the > CRB decision. One advantage of Internet radio is that it is not > limited by spectrum capacity or bandwidth capacity, which enables > several services literally to offer 10,000 or 100,000 stations and > more. By penalizing this innovation and creativity the CRB further > ensures that Internet radio will become less creative, less dynamic, > less of an opportunity for non-mainstream artists and genres, and will > look more like broadcast radio in the future. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 04:45:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1A023C069; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:44:49 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: online radio stations In-reply-to: <32285704.1183910257164.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4691BD41.4090704@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <233430.20646.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <32285704.1183910257164.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 04:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 8 jul 2007, at 16.25, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> i love this station to chill out >> http://www.lounge-radio.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 > Thanks. Interesting! My own long time love is http://somafm.com/ http://stillstream.com is a good one. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 05:30:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBFB63C05D; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1A543a) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1A543a) Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:30:36 -0700 References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:30:42 +0000 (UTC) So true, frequency response in the average adult just isn't good enough to hear the extra hz, but dynamic range is another story Mark Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2007, at 9:14 PM, Bill Fox wrote: > samba - wrote: >> There used to be a lot of musicians saying digital didn't sound as >> good as >> analog ,and a engineers saying no one could tell the difference in >> A/B >> tests. > Speaking of A/B testing, according to what I've read, the difference > between 16 and 24 bit digital can be heard much more easily than the > difference between 44.1kHz and 192kHz. So it isn't the sample > frequency but the bit resolution of each sample. Plus, the more > linear the AD and DA conversions are, the more transparent the > process becomes. Bit depth and conversion linearity seem to far > outstrip sample frequency at obtaining audible quality improvements. > > Cheers, > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 06:42:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400833C001; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.75.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070709044122.1766C3C064@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Corporate Shills Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 23:42:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 06:42:45.0804 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BB3CEC0:01C7C1F4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:42:47 +0000 (UTC) I've worked at several NPR stations over the years,and been familair with them from the start of All things consideredand CPB. Sure there are still locally originated shows on local stations some of which are excellent,but NPR doesn't have to won anything to be corporate shills. There is still local choice ,but there's ben an organized push for expansion and lot's of pressure on locals to compete harder for the money to pay for increasingy expensive ( and increasingly watered down ) NPR satelite feeds.Check out how much of their news repoprting involves interviewing journalisists from commercial media. Check out how often they interview someone about whatever hollywood movie is getting the big PR push.,how often they report on things from Televisions,and play soundclips from corporate commercials,embedded into supposed news reporting. As the cost of NPR programming to local affiliates has gone way up,they push their affiliates to do station ID breaks every 8 or 10 minutes-(the old school major network model) and all the affiliates do these breaks at the same time They all do their fund drives at the same time.They are encouraged to compete for listeners with other station in local markets in ways coordinated by NPR. The guy who used to head Voice of America headed Corp for Pubic Broadcasting.I could go into more detail,but that's probably enough. I still salute the people who do music programming on these stations because they love the music. > Unfortunately NPR is a corporate shill now too. This is a common misunderstanding. NPR doesn't own any stations. They sell their product to "affiliate" stations. AFAIK it's mostly (all?) news and talk, etc., not music programs. Please correct me if I'm wrong. It is up to the individual stations to decide how corporate vs. how off the wall/adventurous they wish to be with their music programming. If the stations where I volunteer are any indication, most of the music programming you hear on non-commercial FM stations are locally produced; syndicated shows like Echoes and HoS not withstanding. _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!  http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 07:36:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245553C04F; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OhZCFj2vpuF3bS8bXis2Zh38wkfQLxtdz8SRV9dvSWHPuZsbyOCe6xNHtf5uJbIb//dgWBQNRKnb77kTl8fmoIm61bFpL3YBC+uS5AeqrqJGIpqW4zLfFKHgfQdZv36caJyNZpFKvjNKV+ky9o5mMWGDw1nL99uwDQzDM97mxaA=; X-YMail-OSG: IQQPjy8VM1mIVHY2OBJPqQh_poqR1_bxre9pq6JGCe.pbZ72KvS8z.GhN6gw4dnTPdlz1nmxTfenjsF8GGO6ziNL3QMWXOh_BAP7DexAvDm.5Dn_qyU- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 00:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: online radio stations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <912287.52019.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:36:47 +0000 (UTC) yes my first chillout love! --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 8 jul 2007, at 16.25, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > i love this station to chill out > > > http://www.lounge-radio.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 > > cheers > > Luis > > Thanks. Interesting! My own long time love is > http://somafm.com/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 08:44:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 107E23C053; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20070709084412613.95D7770000A1@mwinf2824.orange.fr Message-ID: <4691F55C.9050108@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:44:12 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:44:15 +0000 (UTC) BreachinThePeace@aol.com schrieb: > There is one KILLER advantageous feature that Vista offers however. USB > Plug n play virtual RAM. Now *that* smokes! Can you imagine a laptop > with 2 gig of maxed ram becoming a 4 or 6 gig system in an instant? An > elephant ain't the only beasty in the local jungle soon destined to > never forget. This isn't an advantageous feature, the Mac OS can do this since years, but its something to avoid under any circumstances. As soon the OS start swapping, you're in trouble performance wise... And real RAM is cheaper than Vista nowadays... I run my Ondes Memoreilles happily with 768 MB of RAM without swapping, I stick 9*90 seconds of loops into it... (It's OS X though, not XP) I'll even wait to buy more RAM till I really need it, probably with the next computer... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 08:57:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2AB63C05E; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20070709085753612.9589E1C0009B@mwinf2023.orange.fr Message-ID: <4691F891.6020509@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 10:57:53 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New looping work References: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9YC_aB.A.ecB.TifkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:57:55 +0000 (UTC) kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com schrieb: > http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml > > Hope you enjoy this track. I certainly did, wonderful composition. Could make it to a loopers classic. I wonder if you have some ways to notate the construction of the loops, this piece seems to be somthing which could be played by other sustained instruments as well... I am always astonished how close a theremin can be to the expression of a violin. I guess its much harder to play, as there is no physical feedback at all, only the sound. Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 09:56:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C6CB3C061; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GTnVFZzmDQP6xlf2iJebkN+PVpWeqM+C1H2c0Egxg+i83xVP8aJK6F+/ftxnR0f35e35eyEbzMUkQHFQcloPhcWGGdKpJ0xCl7hFg1/ikifnsNAH8+XypRI3IRiErmjsdtqUxGeQk7PE3m8GJTMGVUtsDXrMZDTY0cFpURQzTas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rpejYYD7QYCfpsUkRAeerH2f6O/8M9JXFOeIJUxaKPvbi6q3ViOr3eMjhcz7YvA+tYWbBn8o7f81nW3tmaY6wTL/Ht4I23eGheRBzC4xteqTSBg0LtBRLhHFDdHJHATADBwUbmFJA2XqnY6bB6VAEsKMVRnOsO6ZLfN6P/cGZcc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28414D4A-9682-48E4-8E83-03A9FAF22C57@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:56:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:56:29 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jul 2007, at 06.14, Bill Fox wrote: > Speaking of A/B testing, according to what I've read, the > difference between 16 and 24 bit digital can be heard much more > easily than the difference between 44.1kHz and 192kHz. So it isn't > the sample frequency but the bit resolution of each sample. Plus, > the more linear the AD and DA conversions are, the more transparent > the process becomes. Bit depth and conversion linearity seem to > far outstrip sample frequency at obtaining audible quality > improvements. I can second this statement. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 09:59:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91C893C06C; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CVO/mHgkKtcHv3luiZ/al/chmQ5m7p7/4YunrtFf4OmHHcOyZzCVqKcIi3tAkuZ/eygNUb0dFCNQ7KhDEf5WoGg6KbGBektCoqM09SKGAOtdgrMxKSKL1X9pn6EKQvcgI1h561yFJ2iarCtjm0x4QQrCTDF7iotCpvqMZx5vQUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AiCioOJeS6E/MIIr/3Eb4KK7TGeCBXpHlNzdxvpwWmaKUCSIsnC7UXPRnl73KISSLYAFX8z0JRwWL3wK5rJF1b8BW23WPHM9ftluzwbEHg0yDV2zQlLQxbL3IEQwggq62F8/edKbJW5qvD7kE8j6GwhM8gMlI6il2xVe8lL2xw0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0167948A-0287-4D65-A1EC-BE4C780A89C3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:59:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:59:50 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jul 2007, at 07.30, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Sent from my iPhone U Bastid!!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (sent with "shift-cmnd-d") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 10:28:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A93BC3C069; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c7c213$dc0523c0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <9201865.1183755773627.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B81E.4000001@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:28:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <_5GbhB.A.rpG.j3gkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:28:51 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bill Fox" > Matt Davignon wrote: >> Wasn't there once a time when radio playlists were more regional? > Once upon a time, that was true. That was how local bands became regional > bands became national bands. As more and more radio stations picked up on > an act, the bigger the act got. (That the slow path as opposed to being > "discovered.") Now Clear Channel is the McDonald's of radio. Each > hamburger tastes exactly alike no matter where it's served. > > These days, a radio station won't play anything except: > 1. bands that the corporate office tells them to play. > 2. bands that can tell them what other stations are playing their music. > Of course that's none because getting that first station to play your > music without being able to say... Well, you know it's Catch 22. > Sounds a bit like the selectively-locked doors that the games business sometimes seem to have on their open positions. An exec with an unnamed company once told me, "The best way to get a job in the games business is to have a job elsewhere in the games business." Hopefully this path to disaster via stagnation won't be followed too long... Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 11:30:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75A03C060; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 07:29:44 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-reply-to: <26477649.1183978104258.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46921C28.3000900@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9201865.1183755773627.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B81E.4000001@soundscapes.us> <26477649.1183978104258.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman wrote: >> These days, a radio station won't play anything except: >> 1. bands that the corporate office tells them to play. >> 2. bands that can tell them what other stations are playing their >> music. Of course that's none because getting that first station to >> play your music without being able to say... Well, you know it's >> Catch 22. > Sounds a bit like the selectively-locked doors that the games business > sometimes seem to have on their open positions. An exec with an > unnamed company once told me, "The best way to get a job in the games > business is to have a job elsewhere in the games business." Hopefully > this path to disaster via stagnation won't be followed too long... Unfortunately, stagnation has been in place for far too long. Otherwise, this discussion wouldn't sustain itself for very long. It takes brave people to buck the system. Bands wanting airplay do it all the time. Ultimately, it might be a matter of will a band wear down a Program Director (or Games Personnel Director!) rather than that PD being brave. My friend is a big Spock's Beard fan. When V was released, Greg spoke to the local rock station's PD. When Greg asked the PD if he would play any Spock's Beard, the PD asked, "What other stations are playing them?" (This is an exact quote.) PDs are not hired to have original thoughts. My question is, if PDs can't decide for themselves what to put on the playlist (because the corporation dictates that), what is there left that a PD is supposed to do that would attract any music lover to the position? Of course, many loopers aren't even playing mainstream music making it even harder to get airplay. First, you have to find a station that has a specialty program that plays your genre of music... Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 12:02:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0973C063; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:02:09 EDT Subject: Re: OT: A/B listening tests (Lurch related) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183982529" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <1MktU.A.H4D.OPikGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:02:23 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183982529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/6/2007 4:45:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: Thats because you use the Boomerang. See, we RC50 users are all over that shit. MFC Just for the record my midi fried friend, I do not currently use the Boomerang. I do use the RC50 when not relying Mobius. I just think it (RC50) was a majorly poor planed & premature commercial release and the Boomerang's efficiency per original design comparisons blows it away. The Boomerang was just too noisy and had to be retired for the most part. I definitely made that clear in previous posts. You can bet your bottom bean however that when Gen.3 of the Rang becomes available, like ELP once said, I'll be there, I'll be there, we'll be there! I am certain if you are one of those Neanderthal old school musical instrument toting knuckle draggers like myself, the RC50 has enough useless bells and whistles to please even the most discriminating back engineers. For instance, like someone said, the quantize and "stretch" controls sound worse than anything I have ever heard that claim to provide those functions. The guide, well...come on! As I have also stated in the past, I LOVE it's clean and accurate straight up signal sample ability. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183982529 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/6/2007 4:45:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Thats=20 because you use the Boomerang.
See, we RC50 users are all over that sh= it.=20

MFC
Just for the record my midi fried friend, I do not currently use the=20 Boomerang. I do use the RC50 when not relying Mobius. I just think it=20 (RC50) was a majorly poor planed & premature commercial=20 release and the Boomerang's efficiency per original design comparisons=20 blows it away. The Boomerang was just too noisy and had to be retired for th= e=20 most part. I definitely made that clear in previous posts. You can bet=20= your=20 bottom bean however that when Gen.3 of the Rang becomes available, like ELP=20= once=20 said, I'll be there, I'll be there, we'll be there! 
 
I am certain if you are one of those Neanderthal old=20 school musical instrument toting knuckle draggers like myself, the RC50= has=20 enough useless bells and whistles to please even the most discriminating bac= k=20 engineers. For instance, like someone said, the quantize and "stretch" contr= ols=20 sound worse than anything I have ever heard that claim to provide those=20 functions. The guide, well...come on!
 
As I have also stated in the past, I LOVE it's clean and accurate strai= ght=20 up signal sample ability.




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-------------------------------1183982529-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 12:45:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028443C06A; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 742218715 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A/B listening tests Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:44:49 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A13@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <7AC19A3E-3108-48DC-93B1-778B40C76A38@ubergadget.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A/B listening tests Thread-Index: AcfCJvAo8myvySl3S06lL3ObRROkkg== References: <7AC19A3E-3108-48DC-93B1-778B40C76A38@ubergadget.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 12:44:50.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[F07406B0:01C7C226] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:45:00 +0000 (UTC) from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwave_synchronization : >>The fixed, constant frequency of the synchronization...<< please.... you're kidding us, right? this kind of language-mangling does the semi-serious scientific research into these phenomena absolutely no good at all. [semi-jocose mode on] I have my own theory regarding the perception of analogue & digital audio, & it's more to do with these same super-low frequencies than bit-depth or high-frequency response. =20 (I'd point out that no less an audio authority than rupert neve himself conducted blind listening tests which determined that his test subjects could reliably tell apart a sine wave & a square wave at 9kHz. if you do the maths.....) anyway.=20 my theory posits that the reproduction of the audio is where the differences creep in, & so it doesn't have much bearing on the outcome if one's source material was recorded on an edirol flash recorder or noah's walkman; it's to do with audio fingerprinting & tiny variations in the timing of the various remembered/anticipated elements.=20 your brain anticipates a reasonably predictable procession of sounds, according to what you remember (or expect, if the audio is new to you).=20 but because of the elasticity of the medium & of the mechanism (tape, vinyl), analogue reproduction causes or allows perturbations in this procession &.... well, you could call it "super-slow wow" if you wanted. it's low-frequency modulation, anyway. =20 I suppose the end result is analogous (no pun intended) with playing along with human musicians instead of against a drum machine. the brain finds itself exercised, not unpleasantly, by these perturbations, & can be disappointed if they are absent.=20 this is why, when you replace a cherished vinyl LP with the remastered digital version, you quickly get jaded & never play the album again.=20 this leads to the whole unscientific "digital sucks" argument, when in fact there is science in there to be had if only someone with more time than me would get in there after it.=20 it also explains why my drummer made the transition to digital audio more comfortably than I did. I use super-slow LFOs in my digital rompler synth modules to make them sound nicer. so. I blame quartz. :-) now I'm off to see if I can modify a cd player to run off a non-quartz oscillator which I will bend out of a radio. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 12:49:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E82503C068; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:49:25 EDT Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1183985365" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:49:33 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1183985365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/9/2007 4:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de writes: This isn't an advantageous feature, the Mac OS can do this since years, but its something to avoid under any circumstances. As soon the OS start swapping, you're in trouble performance wise... And real RAM is cheaper than Vista nowadays... I run my Ondes Memoreilles happily with 768 MB of RAM without swapping, I stick 9*90 seconds of loops into it... (It's OS X though, not XP) I'll even wait to buy more RAM till I really need it, probably with the next computer... Stefan Just so you know, I use PCs exclusively but am one of the rare individuals that honestly believes that Macs are superior machines hardware wise but are the lesser of the two as far as software is concerned. I wonder out of sheer curiosity if Mac more or less traded it's virtual ram ideology for the PC's processor aptitude? It would have seemed to be a poor trade in hindsight if this were so. To me, this has always been kind of a "no brainer".Comparatively speaking, in our first column we have Macintosh made, produced & designed exclusively by who? Macintosh. In our second column we have the PC. Made & configuatively designed by everyone and their brother. If I were Einstein, which column would seem to yield the most consistent quality per functional dependability? As far as your minimal RAM is concerned, 768 MB is a joke if you plan on using multiple plug ins. Ain't gonna happen. Different strokes I guess... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1183985365 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/9/2007 4:44:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>This=20 isn't an advantageous feature, the Mac OS can do this since years,
but= its=20 something to avoid under any circumstances. As soon the OS start
swapp= ing,=20 you're in trouble performance wise...

And real RAM is cheaper than=20 Vista nowadays... I run my Ondes
Memoreilles happily with 768 MB of RA= M=20 without swapping, I stick 9*90
seconds of loops into it... (It's OS X=20 though, not XP)
I'll even wait to buy more RAM till I really need it,=20 probably with the
next=20 computer...

Stefan
 Just so you know, I use PCs exclusively but am one of the rare=20 individuals that honestly believes that Macs are superior machines hardware=20= wise=20 but are the lesser of the two as far as software is concerned. I wonder out=20= of=20 sheer curiosity if Mac more or less traded it's virtual ram ideology for the= =20 PC's processor aptitude? It would have seemed to be a poor trade in hindsigh= t if=20 this were so.
 
 To me, this has always been kind of a "no brainer".Comparatively=20 speaking, in our first column we have Macintosh made, produced &=20 designed exclusively by who? Macintosh. In our second column we have th= e=20 PC. Made & configuatively designed by everyone and their brother. If I w= ere=20 Einstein, which column would seem to yield the most consistent quality per=20 functional dependability? As far as your minimal RAM is concerned, 768 MB is= a=20 joke if you plan on using multiple plug ins. Ain't gonna happen. Different=20 strokes I guess...  




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-------------------------------1183985365-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 13:11:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A38AB3C076; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 551996645 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C22A.AB68BCAE" Subject: RE: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:11:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Thread-Index: AcfCKqspRwVvIdZyR262vJCLlLMtMA== References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 13:11:32.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB898580:01C7C22A] Resent-Message-ID: <4dLwNC.A.lN.GQjkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:11:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C22A.AB68BCAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable related anecdote from ex-BBC staffer: =20 >>Oddly enough, I have a cassette of this complete Top Gear show, I wonder if this is where these guys got it from..Very notable for the fact that Baldy Bri and Bob did special versions of `Heavenly Music Corp' and `Swastika Girls' for the show, not at Maida Vale but at Eno's gaff (in Maida Vale funnily enough)=20 Peel and Walters received the tape `tail out' and broadcast it like that. No-one noticed except Eno who had to call the BBC and tell them his music was being played out backwards.<< ________________________________ From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since the last time I checked, they are no longer up at this site. Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the address. Whoever manages this site is very accommodating and reasonably fast about doing so.=20 Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged. Enjoy! -Rev. Fever=20 'We continue our fascination of the late, great British broadcaster John Peel with another excellent show from the archives. This time the collaboration of two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced the often talked about album No Pussyfooting that was designed to showcase tape-echo and delay techniques to the mass pop audience. Here, the gentlemen offered two tracks exclusively for Peel's Top Gear show.' http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=3D448&albref=3D14 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C22A.AB68BCAE Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
related anecdote from = ex-BBC=20 staffer:
 
>>Oddly enough, = I have a=20 cassette of this complete Top Gear show, I wonder if this is where these = guys=20 got it from..Very notable = for the=20 fact that Baldy Bri and Bob did special versions of `Heavenly Music = Corp’ and=20 `Swastika Girls’ for the show, not at Maida Vale but at = Eno’s gaff (in Maida = Vale funnily=20 enough)

Peel and = Walters=20 received the tape `tail out’ and broadcast it like that. No-one = noticed except=20 Eno who had to call the BBC and tell them his music was being played out = backwards.<<

=

From: Rev Fever = [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com]=20
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:21 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Fripp & Eno = 1973 /=20 BBC / Peel

You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since = the last=20 time I checked, they are no longer up at this site.
Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the = address.=20 Whoever manages this site is very accommodating and reasonably fast = about doing=20 so. 
Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged.  = Enjoy!

-Rev. Fever 


'We continue our = fascination of=20 the late, great British broadcaster John Peel with another excellent = show from=20 the archives. This time the collaboration of two sonic visionaries in = 1973 that=20 produced the often talked about album No Pussyfooting that was designed = to=20 showcase tape-echo and delay techniques to the mass pop audience. Here, = the=20 gentlemen offered two tracks exclusively for Peel's Top Gear=20 show.'
http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=3D448&albref=3D14<= /A>
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C22A.AB68BCAE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 13:15:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF973C073; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:15:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: harryesq@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9904263C4D551_1160_A46_WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 28518 Message-Id: <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.158 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:15:54 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C9904263C4D551_1160_A46_WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This link doesn't work for me.=C2=A0 Does anyone know of a problem with the=20= site? Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -----Original Message----- From: Goddard, Duncan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 9:11 am Subject: RE: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel related anecdote from ex-BBC staffer: =C2=A0 >>Oddly enough, I have a cassette of this complete Top Gear show, I wonder i= f this is where these guys got it from..Very notable for the fact that Baldy= Bri and Bob did special versions of `Heavenly Music Corp=E2=80=99 and `Swas= tika Girls=E2=80=99 for the show, not at Maida Vale but at Eno=E2=80=99s gaf= f (in Maida Vale funnily enough)=20 Peel and Walters received the tape `tail out=E2=80=99 and broadcast it like=20= that. No-one noticed except Eno who had to call the BBC and tell them his mu= sic was being played out backwards.<< From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since the last t= ime I checked, they are no longer up at this site. Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the address. Whoever= manages this site is very accommodating and reasonably fast about doing so.= =C2=A0 Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged.=C2=A0 Enjoy! -Rev. Fever=C2=A0 'We continue our fascination of the late, great British broadcaster John Pee= l with another excellent show from the archives. This time the collaboration= of two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced the often talked about album= No Pussyfooting that was designed to showcase tape-echo and delay technique= s to the mass pop audience. Here, the gentlemen offered two tracks exclusive= ly for Peel's Top Gear show.' http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=3D448&albref=3D14 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com. ----------MB_8C9904263C4D551_1160_A46_WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" This link doesn't work for me.  Does anyone know of a problem with the=20= site?

Harry

Harry Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908


-----Original Message-----
From: Goddard, Duncan <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 9:11 am
Subject: RE: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel

related anecdote from ex-BBC sta= ffer:
 
>>Oddly enough, I have a cassette of=20= this complete Top Gear show, I wonder if this is where these guys got it fro= m..V= ery notable for the fact that Baldy Bri and Bob did special versions of `Hea= venly Music Corp=E2=80=99 and `Swastika Girls=E2=80=99 for the show, not at=20= Maida Vale but at Eno=E2=80=99s gaff (in= Maida Vale funnily enough)=20
Peel and Walters received the tape `tail out=E2=80=99 and broadcast=20= it like that. No-one noticed except Eno who had to call the BBC and tell the= m his music was being played out backwards.= <<


From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:21 AM
To: Loopers-De= light@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel

You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since the l= ast time I checked, they are no longer up at this site.
Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the address. Wh= oever manages this site is very accommodating and reasonably fast about doin= g so. 
Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged.  Enjoy!

-Rev. Fever 


'We continue our fasci= nation of the late, great British broadcaster John Peel with another excelle= nt show from the archives. This time the collaboration of two sonic visionar= ies in 1973 that produced the often talked about album No Pussyfooting that=20= was designed to showcase tape-echo and delay techniques to the mass pop audi= ence. Here, the gentlemen offered two tracks exclusively for Peel's Top Gear= show.'


AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from= AOL at AOL.com.
----------MB_8C9904263C4D551_1160_A46_WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:02:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4416E3C079; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:02:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0F/y8Mc55wWjmvyauVjZVPXNfDlQgfnOZ/TBPuO7m614cMb85Rm0gBcrSEOQ0GrtZWY0kSjYoc75HRwalS/8bc4hhsSpH44zyDo4jf2W0VLPnJpx4buthHgusqAZIU0ru2p2q5Qg+atfJEHO1rGCa+q7zk4mdgtlFvMCg74kROs=; X-YMail-OSG: CbpvEyIVM1mX1zrxEGz8kGff0M07eyHpDON3r7kR29pjcO6uig5tnZSuy8I89X7EIKbgEbtbqNsxmaNLF3HCM9k7L0BECUr7eGOavPPI0ZwoDq7SIEgg2iKwXc8RLA-- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46921C28.3000900@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1724503295-1183989763=:90320" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <598361.90320.qm@web35109.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:02:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-1724503295-1183989763=:90320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Who cares what radio stations are playing anyway? I don't. Even the radio stations that play jazz &/or classical seem to fit their song selections into 'pop" categories within the genre. Satellite radio is a cut above FM and they appear to have a much wider palette than FM stations. But, even there, the jazz selections seem to try to appeal to some undefined mass (like a McDonalds hamburger). Mostly, I listen to my jazz/rock/et al collection. Frankly, I almost never hear anything from the current day rock genre (or alternative) that warrants listening (to me anyway- not to say it doesn't appeal to someone). Maybe I have a nilhilist attitude but I really don't care whether any of my stuff ever is played on the radio. I enjoy listening to it and that's all that matters. Those that need public approbation (or want to make a lot of $$$) suffer from the current poor radio condition. I do sympathize. Bill Fox wrote: Stephen Goodman wrote: >> These days, a radio station won't play anything except: >> 1. bands that the corporate office tells them to play. >> 2. bands that can tell them what other stations are playing their >> music. Of course that's none because getting that first station to >> play your music without being able to say... Well, you know it's >> Catch 22. > Sounds a bit like the selectively-locked doors that the games business > sometimes seem to have on their open positions. An exec with an > unnamed company once told me, "The best way to get a job in the games > business is to have a job elsewhere in the games business." Hopefully > this path to disaster via stagnation won't be followed too long... Unfortunately, stagnation has been in place for far too long. Otherwise, this discussion wouldn't sustain itself for very long. It takes brave people to buck the system. Bands wanting airplay do it all the time. Ultimately, it might be a matter of will a band wear down a Program Director (or Games Personnel Director!) rather than that PD being brave. My friend is a big Spock's Beard fan. When V was released, Greg spoke to the local rock station's PD. When Greg asked the PD if he would play any Spock's Beard, the PD asked, "What other stations are playing them?" (This is an exact quote.) PDs are not hired to have original thoughts. My question is, if PDs can't decide for themselves what to put on the playlist (because the corporation dictates that), what is there left that a PD is supposed to do that would attract any music lover to the position? Of course, many loopers aren't even playing mainstream music making it even harder to get airplay. First, you have to find a station that has a specialty program that plays your genre of music... Cheers, Bill --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. --0-1724503295-1183989763=:90320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Who cares what radio stations are playing anyway? I don't. Even the radio stations that play jazz &/or classical seem to fit their song selections into 'pop" categories within the genre. Satellite radio is a cut above FM and they appear to have a much wider palette than FM stations. But, even there, the jazz selections seem to try to appeal to some undefined mass (like a McDonalds hamburger).
 
Mostly, I listen to my jazz/rock/et al collection. Frankly, I almost never hear anything from the current day rock genre (or alternative) that warrants listening (to me anyway- not to say it doesn't appeal to someone).
 
Maybe I have a nilhilist attitude but I really don't care whether any of my stuff ever is played on the radio. I enjoy listening to it and that's all that matters. Those that need public approbation (or want to make a lot of $$$) suffer from the current poor radio condition. I do sympathize.
 


Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
Stephen Goodman wrote:
>> These days, a radio station won't play anything except:
>> 1. bands that the corporate office tells them to play.
>> 2. bands that can tell them what other stations are playing their
>> music. Of course that's none because getting that first station to
>> play your music without being able to say... Well, you know it's
>> Catch 22.
> Sounds a bit like the selectively-locked doors that the games business
> sometimes seem to have on their open positions. An exec with an
> unnamed company once told me, "The best way to get a job in the games
> business is to have a job elsewhere in the games business." Hopefully
> this path to disaster via stagnation won't be followed too long...
Unfortunately, stagnation has been in place for far too long.
Otherwise, this discussion wouldn't sustain itself for very long.

It takes brave people to buck the system. Bands wanting airplay do it
all the time. Ultimately, it might be a matter of will a band wear down
a Program Director (or Games Personnel Director!) rather than that PD
being brave. My friend is a big Spock's Beard fan. When V was
released, Greg spoke to the local rock station's PD. When Greg asked
the PD if he would play any Spock's Beard, the PD asked, "What other
stations are playing them?" (This is an exact quote.) PDs are not
hired to have original thoughts. My question is, if PDs can't decide
for themselves what to put on the playlist (because the corporation
dictates that), what is there left that a PD is supposed to do that
would attract any music lover to the position?

Of course, many loopers aren't even playing mainstream music making it
even harder to get airplay. First, you have to find a station that has
a specialty program that plays your genre of music...

Cheers,

Bill



Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. --0-1724503295-1183989763=:90320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 14:19:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB6C23C07E; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070709091948.qkpk8n0av40go088@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:19:48 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New looping work References: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> <4691F891.6020509@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <4691F891.6020509@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stefan Tiedje : > kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com schrieb: >> http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml >> >> Hope you enjoy this track. > > I certainly did, wonderful composition. Could make it to a loopers > classic. I wonder if you have some ways to notate the construction of > the loops, this piece seems to be somthing which could be played by > other sustained instruments as well... Thank you for the compliment! To answer your question, the notes are written out and the loop =20 parameters are stored in my computer (the work uses four seperate =20 loops). Thus, it would be possible to notate the loop construction. =20 If you are suggesting that other folks would enjoy performing this =20 work, then I'd consider notating the loop construction, etc. The work requires a range of over five octaves. So, depending on the =20 instrument, might need a pitch-shifter to hit some of the lowest notes. > > I am always astonished how close a theremin can be to the expression of > a violin. I guess its much harder to play, as there is no physical > feedback at all, only the sound. Well, my guess is that the violin is harder to play simply because, =20 from what I know about it, it takes a lot of practice just to get =20 anything but a "squeak" out of a violin. The primary difficulty of the theremin is intonation and it takes some =20 time to get used to playing it. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 15:48:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A4243C077; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:48:22 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:48:25 +0000 (UTC) The RIAA has successfully put them out of business. Seems they were =20 selling music too cheap and the record companies weren't getting their =20 slice. Paul Quoting harryesq@aol.com: > This link doesn't work for me.=C2=A0 Does anyone know of a problem with th= e site? > > Harry > > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel > > > > > > You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since =20 > the last time I checked, they are no longer up at this site. > > Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the address. =20 > Whoever manages this site is very accommodating and reasonably fast =20 > about doing so.=C2=A0 > > Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged.=C2=A0 Enjoy! > > > > > -Rev. Fever=C2=A0 > > > > > > > > 'We continue our fascination of the late, great British broadcaster =20 > John Peel with another excellent show from the archives. This time =20 > the collaboration of two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced the =20 > often talked about album No Pussyfooting that was designed to =20 > showcase tape-echo and delay techniques to the mass pop audience. =20 > Here, the gentlemen offered two tracks exclusively for Peel's Top =20 > Gear show.' > > > > > http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=3D448&albref=3D14 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's =20 > free from AOL at AOL.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:12:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 072A53C07C; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--468057200 Message-Id: <3CB47816-690E-4BFC-AEBF-614CD8D56ED8@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:12:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:12:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--468057200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Now this is weird. This site must be experiencing some difficulties, or whatever, because I tested the link out *before* I sent it, just to be sure, and it went straight it, and it is also where I clipped the quote. I also tried to go the home URL and the same thing happened. ( Enter "Twilight Zone" theme music here....:-) ) -Rev. Fever On Jul 9, 2007, at 6:15 AM, harryesq@aol.com wrote: > This link doesn't work for me. Does anyone know of a problem with > the site? > > Harry > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel > > You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since > the last time I checked, they are no longer up at this site. > Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the > address. Whoever manages this site is very accommodating and > reasonably fast about doing so. > Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged. Enjoy! > > -Rev. Fever > > > 'We continue our fascination of the late, great British broadcaster > John Peel with another excellent show from the archives. This time > the collaboration of two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced > the often talked about album No Pussyfooting that was designed to > showcase tape-echo and delay techniques to the mass pop audience. > Here, the gentlemen offered two tracks exclusively for Peel's Top > Gear show.' http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=448&albref=14 --Apple-Mail-4--468057200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now this is weird.=A0

This site must be = experiencing some difficulties, or whatever, because I tested the link = out *before* I sent it, just to be sure,=A0
and it went = straight it, and it is also where I clipped the quote.=A0I also tried to = go the home URL and the same thing happened. =A0 =A0

( Enter "Twilight Zone" = theme music here....:-) )

-Rev. = Fever

On Jul 9, 2007, at 6:15 AM, harryesq@aol.com wrote:

This link = doesn't work for me.=A0 Does anyone know of a problem with the site?
=
Harry

Harry Weinberg, Esq.
= Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th Floor
New = York, N.Y. 10013
(212) 989-2908


You will need to request = that these 2 files be sent to you, since the last time I checked, they = are no longer up at this site.
Details to do so are given at = the site. Scroll down for the address. Whoever manages this site is very = accommodating and reasonably fast about doing so.=A0
Also, = rare submissions to this site are encouraged.=A0 Enjoy!

-Rev. Fever=A0
=


'We continue our = fascination of the late, great British broadcaster John Peel with = another excellent show from the archives. This time the collaboration of = two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced the often talked about album = No Pussyfooting that was designed to showcase tape-echo and delay = techniques to the mass pop audience. Here, the gentlemen offered two = tracks exclusively for Peel's Top Gear = show.'

= http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=3D448&albref=3D14
= --Apple-Mail-4--468057200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:39:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24FEB3C083; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 09:39:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:39:34 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:48 AM, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > The RIAA has successfully put them out of business. Seems they were > selling music too cheap and the record companies weren't getting > their slice. Where did you hear this? To my knowledge, there were no sales. I thought it was only free downloads, as far as I knew, and I had visited that site several times. Did I miss something? And, if that is true, then it must have happened *right after* I sent out the URL to the list. If this is the case, then hmmm....Synchronism can sometimes also work in weird, and not always pleasant ways...:-) The RIAA. What a bunch of thugs and vicious brown shirts. Years ago, I knew of a restaurant in Dallas TX that had a guy who played PIANO in there for the soft and smooth entertainment of the diners, and he played well known songs from sheet music. Well, one day, the RIAA showed up and FINED the restaurant since the place was not PAYING the royalties to have that guy play those tunes on the piano!! This resulted in the place NO MORE having a piano player and the guy LOST his JOB, which very likely was NOT some high wage job to begin with, and was supplemented by any tips he managed to get. So, that poor guy was quickly and suddenly unemployed. Welcome to Corporate World. "Just doin' our job, ma'am". (RIAA, with a Dragnet's Sgt Joe Friday voice) -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D7703C087; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 620280320 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:42:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134BD2@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Thread-Index: AcfCSCxMsWRubW8/QYGQTPvJP6u+gw== References: <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 16:42:44.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C873200:01C7C248] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) & as a lawyer, harry, surely you can understand their position! :-) contact me off-list if you're still pining for it, though I understand = from my correspondent that the pieces differ only slightly from the = released versions. d. -----Original Message----- From: phaslem@wightman.ca [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca]=20 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel The RIAA has successfully put them out of business. Seems they were = selling music too cheap and the record companies weren't getting their = slice. Paul Quoting harryesq@aol.com: > This link doesn't work for me.=A0 Does anyone know of a problem with = the site? > > Harry > > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > From: Rev Fever [mailto:revfever@ubergadget.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel > > > > > > You will need to request that these 2 files be sent to you, since =20 > the last time I checked, they are no longer up at this site. > > Details to do so are given at the site. Scroll down for the address. =20 > Whoever manages this site is very accommodating and reasonably fast =20 > about doing so. > > Also, rare submissions to this site are encouraged.=A0 Enjoy! > > > > > -Rev. Fever > > > > > > > > 'We continue our fascination of the late, great British broadcaster =20 > John Peel with another excellent show from the archives. This time =20 > the collaboration of two sonic visionaries in 1973 that produced the =20 > often talked about album No Pussyfooting that was designed to =20 > showcase tape-echo and delay techniques to the mass pop audience. =20 > Here, the gentlemen offered two tracks exclusively for Peel's Top =20 > Gear show.' > > > > > http://music.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=3D448&albref=3D14 > > > = ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's =20 > free from AOL at AOL.com. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:56:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 947E53C094; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:56:21 EDT Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1184000181" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:56:31 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1184000181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Goddard: I certainly understand their position from a legal point of view, but, as I sit amidst my 8000 cds, 11,000 lps, and thousands of legally downloaded mp3s, I still fail to understand the logic. I know that I am not the typical consumer, as I (obviously) consume music at a more rabid pace than most, but isn't there something to the notion that people who are exposed to music (old or new) will be more apt to go out and purchase that music (whether in mp3, cd or other format)? I guess this doesn't apply to mainstream mega-artists but, as seen from the "decline of the record industry" article, thread and other evidence, whatever they are doing doesn't seem to be working. So why not try the non-logical, outside the box path. Sort of like what emusic did during its first few years of existence - 19.95 per month, unlimited downloading of freely copy-able files. Are they losing money now? Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1184000181 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Goddard:
 
I certainly understand their position from a legal point of view, but,=20= as I=20 sit amidst my 8000 cds, 11,000 lps, and thousands of legally downloaded mp3s= , I=20 still fail to understand the logic.  I know that I am not the typical=20 consumer, as I (obviously) consume music at a more rabid pace than most= ,=20 but isn't there something to the notion that people who are exposed to music= =20 (old or new) will be more apt to go out and purchase that music (whether in=20= mp3,=20 cd or other format)?  I guess this doesn't apply to mainstream mega-art= ists=20 but, as seen from the "decline of the record industry" article, thread and o= ther=20 evidence, whatever they are doing doesn't seem to be working.  So why n= ot=20 try the non-logical, outside the box path.  Sort of like what emusic di= d=20 during its first few years of existence - 19.95 per month, unlimited downloa= ding=20 of freely copy-able files.  Are they losing money now?
 
Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212)=20 989-2908




See what's= free at AOL.co= m.
-------------------------------1184000181-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 16:59:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85B863BFEE; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> Subject: RE: Fripp & Eno 1973 - BBC - Peel Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:59:08 +0200 Message-ID: <00d501c7c24a$77a0e4f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C7C25B.3B29B4F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> Thread-Index: AcfCRWT+/3b7RLrRR+u2W39T6l36+wABMbYA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:59:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C7C25B.3B29B4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This link doesn't work for me. Does anyone know of a problem with the site? there's really no need to download anything - the files are identical to the two sides of "No Pussyfooting", only that they're backwards :-) Try this one if you don't believe me: http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2007/04/robert-frip-brian-eno-top-gear.htm l -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C7C25B.3B29B4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> = This link=20 doesn't work for me.  Does anyone know of a problem with the = site? 
 

there's really no need to download anything - the files are = identical=20 to the two sides of "No Pussyfooting", only that they're = backwards =20 :-) 
 
Try this one if you don't believe me:
 
http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2007/04/robert-frip-bri= an-eno-top-gear.html
 
 
-Michael
------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C7C25B.3B29B4F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 17:17:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5F033C07B; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <00d501c7c24a$77a0e4f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <00d501c7c24a$77a0e4f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--464196861 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 - BBC - Peel Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:17:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:17:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--464196861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 9, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote: > > there's really no need to download anything - the files are > identical to the two sides of "No Pussyfooting", only that they're > backwards :-) "Remixed" versions! (snicker) -Rev. Fever > Try this one if you don't believe me: > http://fadesinslowly.blogspot.com/2007/04/robert-frip-brian-eno- > top-gear.html > > -Michael --Apple-Mail-8--464196861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jul 9, 2007, at = 9:59 AM, Michael Peters wrote:

there's really no need to download = anything - the files are identical to the two sides of "No = Pussyfooting",=A0only that they're backwards=A0 = :-)=A0

"Remixed" versions!=A0 = =A0(snicker)

-Rev. = Fever

=A0Try this one if = you don't believe me:
=A0
=A0-Michael
=
= --Apple-Mail-8--464196861-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 17:47:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09E733C080; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: Cellphone looping was: RE: A/B listening tests Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 10:47:32 -0700 Message-ID: <003b01c7c251$3a70f7d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfCD+QRomDvPB/iSAe3TO6S+Q3aOAAQAa+A In-Reply-To: <0167948A-0287-4D65-A1EC-BE4C780A89C3@gmail.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 17:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Awa-yeah motherfuckah! Nothing like reading LD at a caf=E9 on my pretty = new toy. I can't wait until someone hacks it to run audio apps. ;) Somewhat on topic, if anyone caught my performance at Loopfest 2k, I = think I had my girlfriend call my cellphone and held it to my strings for crazy = call effects. I've also experimented with the cell latency to call a phone = near me and get cool delay loop effects. Totally OT, it's the best phone I've ever used (my wife is a smartphone junky and has owned a lot of them) Since it was providence that my old company was canceling my service (how dare them stop paying for my = cellphone after I quit!) on the day the iPhone came out, I went and met with my = wife who was already on line for one at our local Apple store. It would be nearly perfect for my needs (though not perfect) if they = didn't do a shitty move and make the headphone jack non standard and then not = have adaptors available to sell (yet) When I get Live running Augustusloop on it I'll let ya'll know. ;) Mark -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:00 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A/B listening tests On 9 jul 2007, at 07.30, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Sent from my iPhone U Bastid!!!! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (sent with "shift-cmnd-d") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 18:35:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66E553C090; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CX8NtdzkLUxdtxexRoyZod4AsFmemKKfdINzEP9eFM5omTVAgIxJp8rT/nGt/B+pY5u+4wod65/XZ6YoyfFjXxg5IVEi67Ycl7czOpoteSVcYbBhW0txWeuDw1bb63zWqzjn4I9JkVqlqdNu++a+DTmPZQMHLC4ql1PmLHEO0RE=; X-YMail-OSG: riEQLsEVM1nHp5FyJdZVXh70InZovtFBN0K1E1Iwgc1M3E7oztuQeQMXbDzbWXOSg7EpRqq2rTqijirQ7HohURws4KRggbsAHokTpvCk6VA2bSO_93jS6akzUqgUHQ-- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: BOSS RV70 Reverb To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1079006821-1184006100=:47846" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <729553.47846.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:35:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1079006821-1184006100=:47846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am in dire need of a reverb unit to front my guitar amp (the reverb onboard is too elementary sounding). Trying to watch the old budget I came across an inexpensive Boss RV70 unit. I know there has been, in the past, comments regarding some of the Boss reverbs on this board made by Krispen, et al. Can anyone comment on the aforementioned? THX! Paul --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. --0-1079006821-1184006100=:47846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I am in dire need of a reverb unit to front my guitar amp (the reverb onboard is too elementary sounding). Trying to watch the old budget I came across an inexpensive Boss RV70 unit. I know there has been, in the past, comments regarding some of the Boss reverbs on this board made by Krispen, et al. Can anyone comment on the aforementioned? THX!
 
Paul


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Autos' Green Center. --0-1079006821-1184006100=:47846-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 18:43:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D32803C060; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qoAOZQk2jVgeX6lFrWbZARWbTOwrBftbMdiTOH8WtTsHRBWBMnPt2SGv6lkj+OJ3+YE9eyz1KsL8DjprTUiXI0DLEt+NjZrkJGE4oBV6i5hgLKRaAEXy3fY/XnHNv3HuyqvMjXYPy3lbeszbmycy+N9LlDrmfYPJLTHriMxEod8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fCN8BMOD48hHwfKIZWX1cpMVcJKB9GHTBMl2WIm7qKyhWC9eWlylTX1DPi4M8XcPmPrGICrLpA4gbGWUNL7AQnbz8j15UYp5qPZS1qSD1dSn5ZIItSGu0tiqGkzeIR8FExBC8eYwxpfosNwqtqprC5DueUs8n3xHhPP6zxGvVSQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:43:56 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA In-Reply-To: <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Actually that probably wasn't the RIAA, but either BMI or ASCAP. The scenario you described is how publishing works in America. It costs about a thousand dollars a year for an ASCAP or BMI license. The restaurant was just too cheap to pay twenty bucks a week. TravisH On 7/9/07, Rev Fever wrote: > The RIAA. What a bunch of thugs and vicious brown shirts. > > Years ago, I knew of a restaurant in Dallas TX that had a guy who > played PIANO in there for the soft and smooth entertainment of the > diners, > and he played well known songs from sheet music. Well, one day, the > RIAA showed up and FINED the restaurant since the place was not > PAYING the royalties to have that guy play those tunes on the > piano!! This resulted in the place NO MORE having a piano player > and the guy LOST his JOB, which very likely was NOT some high wage > job to begin with, and was supplemented by any tips he managed to get. > So, that poor guy was quickly and suddenly unemployed. Welcome to > Corporate World. > > "Just doin' our job, ma'am". (RIAA, with a Dragnet's Sgt Joe Friday > voice) > > -Rev. Fever > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:22:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A47A3C053; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Cellphone looping - did somebody do that so far? Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:22:30 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c7c25e$7ec17330$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <003b01c7c251$3a70f7d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfCD+QRomDvPB/iSAe3TO6S+Q3aOAAQAa+AAAOXnsA= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIREocjdHWU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:22:11 +0000 (UTC) > Awa-yeah motherfuckah! Nothing like reading LD at a caf=E9 on=20 > my pretty new toy. I can't wait until someone hacks it to=20 > run audio apps. ;) Bringing that back on-topic, at least for those non-iphone-people: can anyone tell me whether it's possible to run audio apps (both if it's possible and if such are available) for your run-of-the-mill = Java-equipped cell phone? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:29:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53BC83C059; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c7c25f$51bef820$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000901c7c25e$7ec17330$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Cellphone looping - did somebody do that so far? Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:28:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:29:01 +0000 (UTC) From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" >> :) > > Bringing that back on-topic, at least for those non-iphone-people: can > anyone tell me whether it's possible to run audio apps (both if it's > possible and if such are available) for your run-of-the-mill Java-equipped > cell phone? Hm, I suppose it would depend on the relative limitations of the implementation of Java on the cell phone. What were you thinking of running, perchance? I guess if your phone can play either midi or mp3's ... ? Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:29:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 936493C061; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.176] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070709124934.74C2D3C070@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Audio perception A/B tests psychoacoustics Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:29:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 19:29:06.0558 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A5E11E0:01C7C25F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Most of the tests I've seen or seen referenced proceed on the assumption that the ear is the only part of the body that processes sound.But audio freqs effect the whole body. The A/B test I mentioned didn't even record what the subjects heard,it measured the responses of brainwaves. This suggests ,and I belive that sound effects humans in ways that transcend their subjective perceptual filters. I have made careful ,though not scientific( not falsifiable ) observations of how groove ( entrainment) effects crowds.My exeperience has been that music that is truly in the groove causes people who aren't listening ,or interested to be effected as well. In fact ,I don't think it is a groove if it doesn't As Stevie sang" You can tell right away from te letter A when the people start to move" _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:33:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E3153C053; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nF93PeInY+f7b/yltT6FR/quQMXhWquvxkpEpE/vh4zybR09Xkfk/O+l72mmkdATZDwLlQLhpB3Ns3c3YkjNVMIBQy/naWieD0VWsJpUXjY03n/6noW9pAvpHffhUVgbglpMq9Qg8UaqLo27L91AWIgJ+obwkEZQ0jbEiDyGmwQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TGlbFhhhJqyFfpAqnSQfIlLLcql6oF6OAjf+9mNeul321nHCprSfj3dY+aiXyRjKjXh01I8VGAEEIaCtamPe6tTQxJ0T0k2FZqTw+PxnI+R5YLM9HsWNiNOvzogjVZhyqVFwTptiodLcRSOVj6UOnft2bQ6T5Xiq9V44ppZTfAs= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Composers should also get paid (was: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:06:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:33:06 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jul 2007, at 18.39, Rev Fever wrote: > The RIAA. What a bunch of thugs and vicious brown shirts. > > Years ago, I knew of a restaurant in Dallas TX that had a guy who > played PIANO in there for the soft and smooth entertainment of the > diners, > and he played well known songs from sheet music. Well, one day, > the RIAA showed up and FINED the restaurant since the place was not > PAYING the royalties to have that guy play those tunes on the > piano!! This resulted in the place NO MORE having a piano player > and the guy LOST his JOB, which very likely was NOT some high wage > job to begin with, and was supplemented by any tips he managed to get. > So, that poor guy was quickly and suddenly unemployed. Welcome to > Corporate World. So what? I can't argue against the RIAA being bad guys. But it seems you have misunderstood the point in the system that takes care of composers rights to their work. The point is not to sack bar pianists but to create an option for creative people to make a living as composers. I fully support that! On the other hand, it may be that the RIAA are using too heavy tools as their administrative routines when assembling the tariffs for using others songs in public (money that are distributed back to the composers). But be careful not throwing away the respect for composer's work only because of some brown shirt attitude clerks. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:36:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D59693C066; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <96363619-E134-4D1F-8637-9CB63C3EBC8A@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 12:35:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:36:00 +0000 (UTC) It could have been either BMI or ASCAP, and it is likely that you are correct. This occurred over 20 years ago at least, so I could forgotten a detail like that. Also, it was possible that the place simply did NOT KNOW that they had to pay to just have a guy play some sheet music on a piano, as opposed to playing recorded music in their establishment. And, regardless of whoever it did the "enforcement", it was still a thuggish maneuver. In the case of the restaurant and the piano player, it was like going after a flea with a SLEDGEHAMMER. I would not try to defend these BMI or ASACAP jerks for behavior such as that. Violating copyrights via bootlegging recordings and other nasty behavior is one thing. But, to do what they did to that place and a simple little piano player is simply just excessive. C'mon now. -Rev. Fever PS-As for the RIAA, check out some of their ugly history on wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Actually that probably wasn't the RIAA, but either BMI or ASCAP. > > The scenario you described is how publishing works in America. It > costs about a thousand dollars a year for an ASCAP or BMI license. > The restaurant was just too cheap to pay twenty bucks a week. > > TravisH > > On 7/9/07, Rev Fever wrote: > >> The RIAA. What a bunch of thugs and vicious brown shirts. >> >> Years ago, I knew of a restaurant in Dallas TX that had a guy who >> played PIANO in there for the soft and smooth entertainment of the >> diners, >> and he played well known songs from sheet music. Well, one day, the >> RIAA showed up and FINED the restaurant since the place was not >> PAYING the royalties to have that guy play those tunes on the >> piano!! This resulted in the place NO MORE having a piano player >> and the guy LOST his JOB, which very likely was NOT some high wage >> job to begin with, and was supplemented by any tips he managed to >> get. >> So, that poor guy was quickly and suddenly unemployed. Welcome to >> Corporate World. >> >> "Just doin' our job, ma'am". (RIAA, with a Dragnet's Sgt Joe Friday >> voice) >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:36:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98EA13C06C; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:36:52 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> In-Reply-To: <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:36:53 +0000 (UTC) It's the notorious web site Allofmp3 based in Russia who showed the =20 record industry that people are happy to pay for downloaded music when =20 they can get the format they want and for about 1/4 the price the =20 corporate sanctioned web sites are charging. Just to show you how =20 powerful the record industry is, the President himself spoke to and =20 put pressure on the Russian prime minister to close the site down, =20 couple to that that the RIAA filed a 1.65 trillion dollar lawsuit =20 against them and that Russia wasn't going to be allowed into the World =20 Trade Association unless they closed AllofMp3 down..... well they =20 didn't really stand a chance. http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/12/22/allofmp3com-sued-for-165-trillion/ http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061221-8473.html http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070703-allofmp3-com-breathes-its-fina= l-breath.html My son tells me that the new site Mp3sparks is down as well now. I've been using the new Napster subscription service, it's not to bad. =20 I've found some pretty obscure stuff that I've been looking for a =20 while now. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Quoting Rev Fever : > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:48 AM, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > >> The RIAA has successfully put them out of business. Seems they were =20 >> selling music too cheap and the record companies weren't getting =20 >> their slice. > > Where did you hear this? To my knowledge, there were no sales. I > thought it was only free downloads, as far as I knew, > and I had visited that site several times. Did I miss something? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:48:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBCCB3C077; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Cellphone looping - did somebody do that so far? Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:48:36 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c7c262$239db4b0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001201c7c25f$51bef820$0207a8c0@eluk1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfCX2cNBADCQ7/9SDyWgusQ1J3ixQAAljtQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIREocjdHWU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:48:16 +0000 (UTC) > Hm, I suppose it would depend on the relative limitations of > the implementation of Java on the cell phone. What were you > thinking of running, perchance? I guess if your phone can > play either midi or mp3's ... Too bad the phone manufacturers don't get too much out of their way in telling you what the phone can do...mine can play both MIDI and MP3, but I don't know if it can do so at the same time. It can also be controlled by voice commands, but not play MP3 at the same time (it's a SonyEricsson K800i btw). I'd like to have a two-or-three track version of Mobius running on it, together with a Nord MicroModular, please ;). But failing that, I'd be happy with a phone version of a DL4 or DD20... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:58:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 187C63C080; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m3+hgeklesIbP1iIlrnh9DiRrcdcF4GnK2AULIKjD8nJQFyy8eD8BQzwNlwv7yJfnLp5Oglfn2uLu8rStr6jz87cIJ3Bkm8Z42/b6hsYxeXrlwcELS4s3wd57gUv+6+31hLdzZZ/enVCBZrePfE/Lp6uKa2Rcia05z84Ho65rwY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MfidJ0gMRlTrUR7JQT+OjYdeoBSg/mU9aarSeE+EEOE7wYMPxPrMO8SCTffaRej6SNb900OwpBqoBCYFJzEPVV4FX7fMlOOKj1WH+HGZ8VuHMKUW+nVfDkD5i8CiKvOoI5wToivXslAjxnB2pW6USallaI5UZEGOoiXl/58x/rg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B6134AD-06A7-4A23-8282-E54B066AB61A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:58:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:58:11 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jul 2007, at 21.36, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > I've been using the new Napster subscription service, it's not to > bad. I've found some pretty obscure stuff that I've been looking > for a while now. Lately I've started having internet radio stations going in the background and when I hear something I want to check out more I push the Audio Hijack button and get it into my iPod playlist for "radio snags". Then I listen more carefully when walking or traveling. I look for the streams at 192 kbps and hijack recordings at 160 kbps in the AAC format. Audio fidelity is ok for listening for finding new music or learning production and mixing tricks. If I should hear something really good I go looking for a CD. I have also found new music by the P2P community SoulSeek by doing a search for something obscure that I like and then viewing the shared files of someone that pops up among the search hits (if they have what I was searching for chances are they have more in line with my taste). I also spend some time listening to the streams at www.jamendo.com and sometimes download music for iPod listening. Initially it may be difficult to sort out the crap but as soon as you get connected with "community friends" the recommendation engine starts hinting at "stuff you will probably like". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 19:59:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80ED03C085; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <96363619-E134-4D1F-8637-9CB63C3EBC8A@ubergadget.com> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <96363619-E134-4D1F-8637-9CB63C3EBC8A@ubergadget.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:58:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: OT: ASCAP/BMI (was Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:59:05 +0000 (UTC) At 12:35 PM -0700 7/9/07, Rev Fever wrote: >On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >>Actually that probably wasn't the RIAA, but either BMI or ASCAP. >> >>The scenario you described is how publishing works in America. It >>costs about a thousand dollars a year for an ASCAP or BMI license. >>The restaurant was just too cheap to pay twenty bucks a week. > >It could have been either BMI or ASCAP, and it is likely that you are correct. >This occurred over 20 years ago at least, so I could forgotten a >detail like that. > >And, regardless of whoever it did the "enforcement", it was still a >thuggish maneuver. >In the case of the restaurant and the piano player, it was like >going after a flea with a SLEDGEHAMMER. > >I would not try to defend these BMI or ASCAP jerks for behavior such as that. Travis is most likely correct in that it was probably BMI or ASCAP. However, if you're talking 20 years back, I used to hear stories regarding how corrupt the ASCAP reps were (at least around Chicago). It was routine to hear of those reps "trading" the royalty fees they were supposed to be collecting for an open bar tab, for instance, or the phone number of a pretty bartender. Or one rep would come in to "collect" an establishment's fees only a few days after another rep had stopped in. It was pretty much an open secret that about half the royalty fees picked up went straight into the pockets of the ASCAP reps themselves. I don't know if they ever cleaned up their act. I haven't really been inside that scene (bar owners and employees) for over a decade now. So, you may not be entirely correct in railing against the system itself (aside from the fact that those organizations didn't enforce fair standards and practices). Instead, you might be looking at an instance of common criminal behavior. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 20:09:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2F2F3C062; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid (was: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:09:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_hkLWC.A.kOF.-XpkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:09:34 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 9 jul 2007, at 18.39, Rev Fever wrote: > >> The RIAA. What a bunch of thugs and vicious brown shirts. >> >> Years ago, I knew of a restaurant in Dallas TX that had a guy who >> played PIANO in there for the soft and smooth entertainment of the >> diners, >> and he played well known songs from sheet music. Well, one day, >> the RIAA showed up and FINED the restaurant since the place was not >> PAYING the royalties to have that guy play those tunes on the >> piano!! This resulted in the place NO MORE having a piano player >> and the guy LOST his JOB, which very likely was NOT some high wage >> job to begin with, and was supplemented by any tips he managed to >> get. >> So, that poor guy was quickly and suddenly unemployed. Welcome >> to Corporate World. > > So what? > > I can't argue against the RIAA being bad guys. But it seems you > have misunderstood the point in the system that takes care of > composers rights to their work. The point is not to sack bar > pianists but to create an option for creative people to make a > living as composers. I fully support that! I never said that composers should have no protection whatsoever, and I am well aware of why the RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP were ever created to begin with. My point was the heavy handed "enforcement" that occurred, and HAS occurred elsewhere countless times, and for a LONG time now. THAT I do NOT support. That is almost like saying that it is OK for the police to beat the hell out of someone, like let's say a peaceful antiwar protester, just because the OVER ALL idea of the police is "to protect and serve" the general population. Speaking of that, I wonder WHO actually "polices" entities like the RIAA, BMI, and ASCAP,anyway? Are they not accountable to anyone ? Reminds me a bit of the bounty hunters in the USA who seem not accountable to almost anyone and who seem to be able to get past certain laws with impunity. > On the other hand, it may be that the RIAA are using too heavy > tools as their administrative routines when assembling the tariffs > for using others songs in public (money that are distributed back > to the composers). But be careful not throwing away the respect for > composer's work only because of some brown shirt attitude clerks. I was not implying as such, but you do make a good point. However, I have always wondered "how much" $$ any non-music based establishment like a restaurant, coffee shop, dentist office or wherever actually "makes" simply by playing some compositions created by someone unrelated to those places? If there were no music played at all in those places, recorded or otherwise, I seriously any of those places would see a drop in customers and profits, and especially now since the i-pod has come into existence. :-) And, I will wager big bucks that not one person on LD has ever paid a royalty to some composer for dubbing from someone else's copy of a recording by some composer. So, what's the real difference with that, as opposed to some tunes being played in a restaurant? None that I can really tell. ;-) -Rev. Fever > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 20:19:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592883C055; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003b01c7c251$3a70f7d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <003b01c7c251$3a70f7d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:16:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:19:18 +0000 (UTC) At 10:47 AM -0700 7/9/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >Totally OT, it's the best phone I've ever used (my wife is a smartphone >junky and has owned a lot of them) Since it was providence that my old >company was canceling my service (how dare them stop paying for my cellphone >after I quit!) on the day the iPhone came out, I went and met with my wife >who was already on line for one at our local Apple store. Thanks for the quick review, Mark! Both my wife and I are *drooling* over this little gadget. However, we've decided to chill out until we can purchase an unlocked version of it. With all the travelling we've done, we've decided that the way cell companies work in the US is just criminal. Here, you can usually only get an account if you're willing to tie yourself into some bogus "plan" for a year or more. And the only network available for the iPhone right now is AT&T?!? Bugger them! I really rather like the "pay as you go" plans that are prevalent in Asia and Europe. You buy a minute, you use a minute. Simple. Use all your minutes? Walk down to the local "Family Mart" and buy a PIN number to reload some more. And if you don't like the cell provider you're using, you get a different SIM chip down at the corner store and purchase minutes from a different provider. None of these silly lock-ins, or small print in your "plan". I'm going to be over in Japan in a few weeks. I'm hoping I might be able to snag an unlocked iPhone over there, then just install any SIM chip I want into it. Otherwise, I'll wait for the general Asian rollout and get one in Bangkok. Sorry for the rant, but I do appreciate hearing from somebody out on the street who has RL experience with it. Just makes us want one even more. --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 20:32:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B13083C06A; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Uu4v0VUgQJMTS3tVHPbGDS4eat8yVYmusshd/SAZWWjX3rjZGI4tVWYJrkJTM6z+/g4j6dfm9Lqea9aR5mxMRs0015mXtDyDooekk6Z04KGQTKknx8WHQVOx0SIUbrPIxf8fOCudmYvPyUwe2wlkyXJEEU5uLRrB8y96Cc7fBDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=b/LJxaAlUIIqbF9j06rZh0jjuTkdpdb4hA1xMrbtimL0SyX/OUKCZkWm2Odj03R69nqgf/lRh5ETVyz7UU0Q7Boi569ySNIcDAzxvxaWl1dxIYbOKiqG9hUieZ1sxUtaOXVPfmngNZ2b4wJ/QiaoJs/EYIhNL5LF5UTt+sDJAdc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid (was: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:32:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:32:57 +0000 (UTC) On 9 jul 2007, at 22.09, Rev Fever wrote: > And, I will wager big bucks that not one person on LD has ever paid > a royalty to some composer for dubbing from someone else's copy of > a recording by some composer. > So, what's the real difference with that, as opposed to some tunes > being played in a restaurant? None that I can really tell. ;-) Well, doesn't American law have it legal to make a copy "for private use"? But the restaurants etc are mainly billed for using the music, not only the actual copy of the recording of the music. Those are two different rights, normally owned by composer/publisher and record label. I like that these matters come up on the list, lots of interesting posts so far :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 20:38:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243883C068; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C5HcYEqSY+Nd7pfo+GIzuxX71faY5ff0P6dg8pbSjojIosvAOSjPBizu7V9ZSNrPhbNPD235iWXnH4zPmG3tmrYRS7w6D3gvQXxSAByMq4WyUCzCgo71m3ZH7jd9nQB4nt/eFaZ6O68TgxfeeagWRKR0ChlJTrr6f1nbnOhOikY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JGPQ/NGeRFj3MD9TTzvQe8UaUazi2h0NOizS32bv2o/swPx+1C9idfwsUVvqtNK5s4lx36m4j114+6iOcywfzRDfrik7ISFogQGZjwb6VVDRx+7IfJu1nIsuaThkDFrFcJgBU2Q8MRJYMFyLP7GRJ4Dl9N2q2gBYYz0qGXEx8kw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:38:51 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid (was: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) In-Reply-To: <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4mkQZ.A.2DH.izpkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) "Private use" usually being defined as "Making a copy of a recording you've legally purchased for your own private use", not "Dubbing a copy from a friend's purchased copy", which was the example offered previously. TH On 7/9/07, Per Boysen wrote: > Well, doesn't American law have it legal to make a copy "for private > use"? But the restaurants etc are mainly billed for using the music, > not only the actual copy of the recording of the music. Those are two > different rights, normally owned by composer/publisher and record > label. I like that these matters come up on the list, lots of > interesting posts so far :-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 20:41:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4791D3C06C; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070709164134.ho301oooqow8sc0s@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:41:34 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid (was: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:41:35 +0000 (UTC) I used to get a few hundred dollars every year from Tamborine in SF =20 for writers royalties on a cd they were distributing for Sugo Music. =20 It was a surprise that I would get these since I never got a cent from =20 Sugo, and now that it's all reverted back to Sugo I once again don't =20 hear anything from them. hmm, maybe I should give them a call, I at =20 least used to get a statement showing what the sales were. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Quoting Per Boysen : > On 9 jul 2007, at 22.09, Rev Fever wrote: > >> And, I will wager big bucks that not one person on LD has ever paid =20 >> a royalty to some composer for dubbing from someone else's copy of =20 >> a recording by some composer. >> So, what's the real difference with that, as opposed to some tunes =20 >> being played in a restaurant? None that I can really tell. ;-) > > > Well, doesn't American law have it legal to make a copy "for private > use"? But the restaurants etc are mainly billed for using the music, > not only the actual copy of the recording of the music. Those are two > different rights, normally owned by composer/publisher and record > label. I like that these matters come up on the list, lots of > interesting posts so far :-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 20:45:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EEDB3C07B; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040001c7c26a$07264920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: new looping work Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:45:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Man, after hearing this piece of music, I'm so damned excited you are going to come perform at Y2K7. This is just a stunning work! Beautiful! you also get some amazing violin like timbres out of the theremin. You know it's funny, the theremin is so cool but it has seemed relegated to spooky sci fi, simplistic pop melodies or older classical repertoire. It's so refreshing to see someone one playing it in a new context. Beautiful work, mate!!!!! see you in October with bells and whistles on, sincerely, Rick Walker http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 20:48:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E1693C07B; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid (was: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:47:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8Zh-xD.A.j4H.C8pkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:48:02 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 9, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 9 jul 2007, at 22.09, Rev Fever wrote: > >> And, I will wager big bucks that not one person on LD has ever >> paid a royalty to some composer for dubbing from someone else's >> copy of a recording by some composer. >> So, what's the real difference with that, as opposed to some tunes >> being played in a restaurant? None that I can really tell. ;-) > > > Well, doesn't American law have it legal to make a copy "for > private use"? When some CD or other recorded media gets lent to an indefinite number of others to dub for themselves, which does happen and a LOT, or when multiple dubs result from one single dubbed source,which also happens a LOT, I then think the line "for private use" has been stepped way over. :-) > But the restaurants etc are mainly billed for using the music, not > only the actual copy of the recording of the music. Those are two > different rights, normally owned by composer/publisher and record > label. You again make a very good point, Thanx for that. But, I still do not see how a place's profits are verifiably "increased" for them featuring recordings, or cover tunes being played live, and why they should be "billed" for doing so? > I like that these matters come up on the list, lots of interesting > posts so far :-) You are helping with that. :-) All the best from Portland, Oregon, USA -Rev. Fever > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 21:14:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB91C3C06C; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kDqocWPaT2D/fDL91g02EVY2V+6jZO2Z1LN+ulmaIENCybIxDB/77ueuyeqA+RbLZGJ5yam72RZbGTnu1lgTBIRhggsEp7uC5UKWFn/KoZ5eQ78Xvs5RYeHc+T0hVAHJ/e39KaeJXAEppYA5aErnREpomvdwSaluT9HrfOnAWT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mf6HQUfofVCZeOHgD/rj8PvLU12yoVaNZvQVfaT3ogwIfnSmkqGftyFSrRwtwRp5U9qIbesZWHjCFEdilIkbsSgDy6McfWvOOXjTamjuQVLNF1eC8wyQw4TupOpr5aMRPNWJ/y4i1wkHzsTEMzHQbHeJfj2H6+JszLXWrLX2+FU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:14:33 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel In-Reply-To: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46251_4131310.1184015673236" References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:14:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_46251_4131310.1184015673236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK Im a little lost in this thread, where are the working links to the Fripp and Eno video clips? Can someone please re-post them, or post some new working links, because I got very excited about these ones, yet for several days have not been able to download them.... > > ------=_Part_46251_4131310.1184015673236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK Im a little lost in this thread, where are the working links to the Fripp and Eno video clips? Can someone please re-post them, or post some new working links, because I got very excited about these ones, yet for several days have not been able to download them....




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2007 21:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.211] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:56:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2007 21:56:34.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[04290320:01C7C274] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 21:56:37 +0000 (UTC) I agree ... pay as you go is great. Lets remember though ..... we are talking about a country (US) with no workable health care, no cheap airlines (not of the caliber of germanwings / bmibaby / etc.), no working public transportation, and the largest deficit of any country ever ...... also .... we aren't really mature enough for nude beaches .... you can buy handguns (but not pronography) at Walmart ........ I mean .... holy crap people. as per iphone / AT&T ..... I used to work for AT&T (when it was called cingular .... last year). Remeber .. about 7 years ago Cingular bought AT&T ... and the "new AT&T" was cingular ... now that they have trashed that name long enough, it's time to go back to calling themselves AT&T. It's all just smoke and mirrors. But hey ... I bought stock in AT&T just before the ipohone came out ..... make some money off the old employer. ciao AL >From: Mech >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:16:34 -0500 > >At 10:47 AM -0700 7/9/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> >>Totally OT, it's the best phone I've ever used (my wife is a smartphone >>junky and has owned a lot of them) Since it was providence that my old >>company was canceling my service (how dare them stop paying for my >>cellphone >>after I quit!) on the day the iPhone came out, I went and met with my wife >>who was already on line for one at our local Apple store. > >Thanks for the quick review, Mark! > >Both my wife and I are *drooling* over this little gadget. However, we've >decided to chill out until we can purchase an unlocked version of it. > >With all the travelling we've done, we've decided that the way cell >companies work in the US is just criminal. Here, you can usually only get >an account if you're willing to tie yourself into some bogus "plan" for a >year or more. And the only network available for the iPhone right now is >AT&T?!? Bugger them! > >I really rather like the "pay as you go" plans that are prevalent in Asia >and Europe. You buy a minute, you use a minute. Simple. Use all your >minutes? Walk down to the local "Family Mart" and buy a PIN number to >reload some more. And if you don't like the cell provider you're using, >you get a different SIM chip down at the corner store and purchase minutes >from a different provider. None of these silly lock-ins, or small print in >your "plan". > >I'm going to be over in Japan in a few weeks. I'm hoping I might be able >to snag an unlocked iPhone over there, then just install any SIM chip I >want into it. Otherwise, I'll wait for the general Asian rollout and get >one in Bangkok. > >Sorry for the rant, but I do appreciate hearing from somebody out on the >street who has RL experience with it. Just makes us want one even more. > > --m. >-- >_____ >"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... >later" > _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 22:01:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91D73C063; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:01:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Record Industry Decline In-reply-to: <1996457.1183990059883.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4692B027.6070807@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1996457.1183990059883.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <8zV7_B.A.xZE.QBrkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Paul Richards wrote: > Who cares what radio stations are playing anyway? Anyone who drives a car? ;-) The Arbitron ratings in my area show that terrestrial radio is very healthy with the lion's share of the listening market, especially when people are in their cars. Yes, satellite radio is starting to take some market share. Nobody can get internet radio in their car afaik. We here at LD are not typical. The masses are still listening to FM. What band that plays a mainstream type of music wouldn't want a slice of that pie? > I don't. And most of us on this list are right there with you. But we're, well, different from everybody else. Not only are we *musicians* (which is bad enough already) but we're *LOOPING musicians*! Gadzooks!!! > Maybe I have a nilhilist attitude but I really don't care whether any > of my stuff ever is played on the radio. I enjoy listening to it and > that's all that matters. Those that need public approbation (or want > to make a lot of $$$) suffer from the current poor radio condition. I > do sympathize. When wearing my rock band hat, I would like the opportunity to recover my recording and CD manufacturing costs so I can continue putting out CDs. (I'm not even lusting to make a profit!) Since airplay can aid that goal, it is one avenue I must pursue, even though I know it's a blind alley. I'm not holding my breath but I plan to wear down some PD who really *is* a music lover. Just one will do so I can go to the next station. PD#2: Well, who else is playing your record? Me: Joe Blow at KRAP has been programming our "hit" for three months! Yeah, in my dreams!! ;-) Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 22:37:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8DB3BFF3; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <73E73D8A-6436-4DA3-8345-FBE21A157678@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: john floridis Subject: berringer/edp pedal hybrid Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:37:31 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AOL-IP: 69.145.125.105 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 22:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Is there any knowledge/opinion out there regarding the idea of building a hybrid pedal for the edp that would feature the type of switches that are on the berringer.....a non-midi pedal that just performs the function of the edp pedal. I realize it would have to be a bit bigger.... Any ideas? John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 9 23:36:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A97D3C01D; Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: PWY1eOcVM1nl6ZKJdTFObbbtgJehJWYCfszMbsc8DdtQKBeofWe8TZV_LjOyym7Daetge1T9Tg-- Message-ID: <000501c7c281$fba5df30$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <73E73D8A-6436-4DA3-8345-FBE21A157678@aol.com> Subject: Re: berringer/edp pedal hybrid Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:36:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) I've been toying with the idea of making the EDP non-MIDI pedal more ergonomic and switching locations around. Please let me know your thoughts if you embark on that route and I'll do the same when I have a few hours of tinker-time available. Plish ----- Original Message ----- From: "john floridis" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:37 PM Subject: berringer/edp pedal hybrid > Is there any knowledge/opinion out there regarding the idea of building a > hybrid pedal for the edp that would feature the type of switches that are > on the berringer.....a non-midi pedal that just performs the function of > the edp pedal. I realize it would have to be a bit bigger.... > > Any ideas? > > John > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 01:38:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52B243BF9B; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Personal looping archaeology Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:38:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:38:40 +0000 (UTC) I'm digging back through some ancient material and getting it digitized. The following 22 minute bit of insanity may be my earliest recorded looping work since I think it dates from fall of 1985. (I guess I need to go digging for paperwork that would tell me that...) What's more fun is the equipment list: PAiA Organtua -> Arion Chorus and probably Flanger -> DigiTech RDS-3600 (the bass off of the Organtua is pretty nice) Percussion from a Korg DDM-110 and probably a DDM-220. Listen at your own risk and bear in mind that this is what happens when you let guitar players too close to keyboards. I'll come to my senses at some point and pull it down... http://grubmah.com/music/organtua_fun.mp3 Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 01:52:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CEE03BFE1; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EH2WNUlsGIMgpf8spNfSJCw0oxtP3FxCVmMiajy6DUFPBZ1kT4/PfrWS/dzKIQHZoYzGGKbbFRF3DMSGlX5FFbcvBm6uMGGl2cuEu/sk7Ag7DgWfXjeHuSCCX/Uvxl5QBIXexeZvrFwofZqKQpBO8YwubtWG6qlwmrJbtxxJIaM=; X-YMail-OSG: ihRY368VM1m9ITFMhhXtD5m6JBOYBk3jKbBhYMicv7sKGJNa2.gwX03VMMq.HmyykoNinBvvjPrjXuVORUFusLZ1.EASDFxCrT6uG.n1cMbEB3wlzIo- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <182774.24820.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:52:57 +0000 (UTC) but at 18 you are mature enough to go and kill but not to drink a beer;-) http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/LegalDrinkingAge.html > also .... we aren't really mature enough for nude > beaches .... you can buy > handguns (but not pronography) at Walmart ........ > > I mean .... holy crap people. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 03:27:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BB9B3BFD6; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.211] X-Originating-Email: [aaronleese@hotmail.com] X-Sender: aaronleese@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <182774.24820.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "aaron leese" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:27:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2007 03:27:21.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A2DD080:01C7C2A2] Resent-Message-ID: <2ZNHcC.A.QOE.cyvkGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:27:24 +0000 (UTC) oh yeah .... we know .... thats a problem too ...... but change is slow to come with all these republicans around ... hehehe. >From: "L.A. Angulo" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:52:54 -0700 (PDT) > >but at 18 you are mature enough to go and kill but not >to drink a beer;-) >http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/LegalDrinkingAge.html > > > also .... we aren't really mature enough for nude > > beaches .... you can buy > > handguns (but not pronography) at Walmart ........ > > > > I mean .... holy crap people. > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit >the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. >http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 03:44:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B839F3BFEA; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index; b=atQs/Wf3jvuCm+RiHnYYeKKflW+mSFk0VnA2gr3emAG/9mOyNZY8DJAG97DPrQoHoNQ8e6Z6/AKweXJ+dI4C5+TFhRJ8LA9SFNPHEmmZ1lzwmIrJip34yewuK8mRG7vecr3qK1+Rapj3AHm8+CLKVV6eltRbzs3rwHkAZTZnnT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index; b=iVirRX2GOpXf8X6ie0XVqHu+WeKDiUY0fFtwAPgofaLxf5PK57KzvOFDXn+VJQHhuegjFego+11PlE7TW24K3jXzjW4vl9ThEARUoEPepq9yQQG2OwngEHmjXdRUqDs2TLBEqS+lHdFwUNELXua+yRgzJy4ZtDEtsidjQakyZ08= From: "Tony K" To: References: <182774.24820.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: <011401c7c2a4$a0c10d60$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfCokMf3YG6sIFzQWOafmKfHzGTiAAAN5Aw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:44:33 +0000 (UTC) >oh yeah .... we know .... thats a problem too ...... but change is slow to >come with all these republicans around ... hehehe. But, we do live in a country where we can have a cartoon that directly makes fun of the president i.e. "Lil' Bush" We got your good and your bad, stuff that makes no sense at all (can't give cancer patients marijuana, but you can give them oxycontin) and stuff that is great - public museums, parks, 150 channels of TV... All in all, I'd rather live here than anywhere else. Tony -----Original Message----- From: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) oh yeah .... we know .... thats a problem too ...... but change is slow to come with all these republicans around ... hehehe. >From: "L.A. Angulo" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) >Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:52:54 -0700 (PDT) > >but at 18 you are mature enough to go and kill but not >to drink a beer;-) >http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/LegalDrinkingAge.html > > > also .... we aren't really mature enough for nude > > beaches .... you can buy > > handguns (but not pronography) at Walmart ........ > > > > I mean .... holy crap people. > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ _________ >Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit >the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. >http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 04:37:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D18AF3BFE0; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: o/bIkQeVaBme+Zo4dBx9J3z9cjG/B/JJvIJQKhP9L+tCd2Zf1dctit1hRpFwCdby X-Originating-IP: [67.150.49.103] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "stillllscary@netzero.net" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:35:43 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070709.213543.16207.0@webmail43.lax.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J63b9.4293S.6323M" X-ContentStamp: 1:1:3038295631 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.131.27.183|webmail43.lax.untd.com|webmail43.lax.untd.com|stillllscary@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:37:12 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J63b9.4293S.6323M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain this thread makes me wanna count bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the = war drums... from the desk of Dr. Satans anesthesiologist, scary visionary ----__JWM__J63b9.4293S.6323M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

this thread makes me wanna count bodies like sheep to the rhyth= m of the war drums...

from the desk of Dr. Satans anesthesiologist, scary visionary

----__JWM__J63b9.4293S.6323M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 04:48:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF0A93BFCF; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: .kFF.XsVM1mazgX8XEK46chQwq30Bd7JbFGQKuSvM.StlavS4tfu7OucMrnZ8DCVGvgqbSGNguXLcghZjHRGVAYhJaSubm2mnaieyFQ_7.oyUlmfwAU- Message-ID: <46931CAE.7020002@minds-eye.org> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:44:14 -0800 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora References: <000c01c7c083$5025c5d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <034f01c7c08e$3c7fb580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> In-Reply-To: <034f01c7c08e$3c7fb580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: >And there's always Pandora. What they need to do (according to analogy) is >to exit "original Yahoo mode" (editors involved in every categorization) and >go to full Web 2.0/Google mode (automated classification of music according >to their "genome" schema - not an easy task) so they can really scale. > > You've got to watch out for Pandora though, I was listening using the German band Can as my seed as it were, and after several fine selections the station offered up a track by....David Hasselhoff!!!!! Seriously messed me up :-) Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 07:04:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1C8F3BFA3; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20070710070443352.55ED91C0008E@mwinf1914.orange.fr Message-ID: <46932F8A.40306@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:04:42 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list@ruccas.org, Maxliste , microsound-announce@microsound.nexthop.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ICMC 2007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi list I've been accepted for performing a new piece with my Max based "Ondes Memorielles" @ ICMC 2007 in Kopenhagen, I will drive from Berlin and coud give a lift from there for any attenders. And I am looking for accomodation in Kopenhagen, if there's someone from there to help out, my budget is very limited... I'd love to see any of you there, the ICMC is much more than just a bunch of mad scientists, its also a great musicians community... answer off-list... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 07:16:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196CB3BFAD; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20070710071605512.7D2E67000096@mwinf2812.orange.fr Message-ID: <46933234.9070104@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:16:04 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A/B listening tests References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Bill Fox schrieb: > Speaking of A/B testing, according to what I've read, the difference > between 16 and 24 bit digital can be heard much more easily than the > difference between 44.1kHz and 192kHz. That means you read it and believe it? My listening experience would tell me the opposite, I bet most of the hyper pro's which get hired for high fees because they claim to be able to tell all kinds of differences, put out a mastered result with less than 6 dB dynamic. For that even 12-bit would be enough, they'd need the rest only for the fade out... (But if they tell their clients they hear the difference... ;-) > So it isn't the sample frequency but the bit resolution of each > sample. Plus, the more linear the AD and DA conversions are, the > more transparent the process becomes. Bit depth and conversion > linearity seem to far outstrip sample frequency at obtaining audible > quality improvements. One simple reason why higher sample rates do matter, are the converters. Because each converter needs analog filters, the result of low cost AD conversion is much better with higher sample rates, the filter can be built much simpler and with less artefacts. But this is also true for high-end converters... It boils down to "you can't fool physics" or "don't get fooled by the limitations of your hearing range" the lack of quality is often artefacts, not missing information, but wrong information... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 07:27:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E72DE3BF9B; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009201c7c2c4$43c65b40$2302a8c0@chris> From: "Chris@jtc.de" To: References: <20070709124934.6D3433C06F@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #499 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:15:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-RZG-AUTH: gSBzUHIFnvYRpGJuMB9l2uY7g79gUyUTWifMTNE/eNx+ijZ+VyHU6wg/42Lg3Q== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:27:23 +0000 (UTC) I don´t want to be part of the mailing list anymore. Please confirm! CHRISTO JOTA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #499 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 07:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8B213BF93; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20070710075948103.19511700008F@mwinf2e02.orange.fr Message-ID: <46933C73.8030001@addcom.de> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:59:47 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:59:49 +0000 (UTC) BreachinThePeace@aol.com schrieb: > Just so you know, I use PCs exclusively but am one of the rare > individuals that honestly believes that Macs are superior machines > hardware wise but are the lesser of the two as far as software is > concerned. I'd never agree on that, but that's maybe a matter of taste and different experience. I can only judge on my own experience, and a PC never attracted me long enough to really judge about the difference. If it works, its fine, if it doesn't there is need for a change... > I wonder out of sheer curiosity if Mac more or less traded it's > virtual ram ideology for the PC's processor aptitude? It would have > seemed to be a poor trade in hindsight if this were so. Virtual Ram is a really old technology, it has always built into any Unix system. There was nothing to trade for... > As far as your minimal RAM is concerned, 768 MB is a joke if you plan > on using multiple plug ins. I didn't need too much of plug-ins yet... all my treatement is hand made... ;-) And of course a soon I need more, to plug in more memory is simple enough (which was my original point, better get RAM, than Vista, if just memory is the concern... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 08:29:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80D5C3BF9E; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> References: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8CBE98B8-CD14-4FE8-AE3E-8A80191865AC@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Personal looping archaeology Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:29:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:29:59 +0000 (UTC) More archaeology from December 1985 or January 1986. Recorded live. Roland GR-500 looping via a DigiTech RDS-3600 -- perhaps the best part on that instrument was when it would lose pitch tracking at the end of a note and go chaotic; a ridiculously complicated drum pattern playing 2 against 3 against 5 or something like that on the Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220; and a bass playing friend of mine (David Hotchkiss) whom I confronted with some sheet music with various phrases on it without specific timings and said just jam along playing these. http://grubmah.com/music/midnight_train.mp3 Mark From online@bankofamerica.com Tue Jul 10 10:38:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3158 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:38:24 UTC Received: from de006233.idaq.com (de006233.idaq.com [217.168.144.148]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5E73BF78 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 18126 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2007 10:34:37 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO mark) (89.137.50.146) by 217.168.144.213 with SMTP; 10 Jul 2007 10:34:36 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Bank of America" Subject: Online Security Update Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:39 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070710103823.5A5E73BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Bank Of America

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 11:22:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 662023BF7F; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 742764350 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E4.9A4EFF3D" Subject: RE: BOSS RV70 Reverb Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:22:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134DD7@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <729553.47846.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: BOSS RV70 Reverb Thread-Index: AcfC5Jozd9Sn7wWVTCWmSJlOWmddHw== References: <729553.47846.qm@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2007 11:22:30.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AA316E0:01C7C2E4] Resent-Message-ID: <9-z24C.A.NrD.4v2kGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:22:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E4.9A4EFF3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable paul- fwiw, my guitarist hates the sound of boss reverbs; I have three of their multi-effects units which more-than-likely have the same or similar reverb algorithms in them. what he hears is a high-frequency ringing in the reverb tails, almost as though the effect is pulling out & exaggerating the most annoying overtones it can find in his guitar sound (which is somewhere in amongst hendrix, gilmour & trower). there are, in fact, one or two recordings of ours (commercially available, just about!) that he won't listen to because of this. just my, as they say, 2c. =20 d.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E4.9A4EFF3D Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
paul- fwiw, my guitarist hates the = sound of=20 boss reverbs; I have three of their multi-effects units which = more-than-likely=20 have the same or similar reverb algorithms in them. what he hears is a=20 high-frequency ringing in the reverb tails, almost as though the effect = is=20 pulling out & exaggerating the most annoying overtones it can find = in his=20 guitar sound (which is somewhere in amongst hendrix, gilmour &=20 trower). there are, in fact, one = or two=20 recordings of ours (commercially available, just about!) that he won't = listen to=20 because of this.
just = my, as they=20 say, 2c.
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E4.9A4EFF3D-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 11:32:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17FD03BF88; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 620677682 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E5.FEB5A6B8" Subject: was RE: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:32:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134DED@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: was RE: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel Thread-Index: AcfC5f6VdvymBh+USaKO8Wi9XK0lrg== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2007 11:32:28.0207 (UTC) FILETIME=[FED5C3F0:01C7C2E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:32:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E5.FEB5A6B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, guys- please remember to change the name of the thread if you're going to digress....=20 =20 I am waiting for my ex-BBC mate to send me his copy of the top gear show which featured this fripp&eno set, & which is the original backwards version of their specially "re-recorded" version of "no pussyfooting".=20 =20 he says that it's difficult to tell exactly what the differences are between this top gear session recording (mysteriously- "for technical reasons"- made at eno's home & not at the BBC maida vale studios round the corner from eno's home, where almost all other BBC sessions were recorded) besides the fact that the BBC (i.e. in this instance, john peel & john walters) aired the thing backwards because fripp&eno sent the tape tail-out, per the record industry's convention. so when I have the thing, I'll turn it the right way round (in vegas or soundtrack-pro or whatever) & a-b it with the cd version. =20 I have a suspicion, & that's all it is, that it will be almost identical- perhaps a few little edits or an overdub here & there. it's deeply suspicious that fripp&eno elected to refuse the hospitality of the BBC studios, less than 500 yards away from eno's maida vale home, on the grounds that the technicalities of what they were doing could not be duplicated. the BBC maida vale studio was the birthplace, in this country anyway, of the whole artform of stringing multiple tape decks together in the fripp&eno fashion; delia derbyshire & co were doing it at least ten years earlier. =20 d. ________________________________ From: Michael Billow [mailto:mbillow@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel OK Im a little lost in this thread, where are the working links to the Fripp and Eno video clips? Can someone please re-post them, or post some new working links, because I got very excited about these ones, yet for several days have not been able to download them....=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E5.FEB5A6B8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yeah, guys- please = remember to=20 change the name of the thread if you're going to digress....=20
 
I am waiting for my = ex-BBC mate to=20 send me his copy of the top gear show which featured this fripp&eno = set,=20 & which is the original backwards version of their specially = "re-recorded"=20 version of "no pussyfooting".
 
he says that it's = difficult to tell=20 exactly what the differences are between this top gear session recording = (mysteriously- "for technical reasons"- made at eno's home & not at = the BBC=20 maida vale studios round the corner from eno's home, where almost = all other=20 BBC sessions were recorded) besides the fact that the BBC (i.e. in this=20 instance, john peel & john walters) aired the thing backwards = because=20 fripp&eno sent the tape tail-out, per the record industry's=20 convention.
so when I have the = thing, I'll turn=20 it the right way round (in vegas or soundtrack-pro or whatever) & = a-b it=20 with the cd version.
 
I have a suspicion, = & that's=20 all it is, that it will be almost identical- perhaps a few little edits = or an=20 overdub here & there. it's deeply suspicious that fripp&eno = elected to=20 refuse the hospitality of the BBC studios, less than 500 yards away from = eno's=20 maida vale home, on the grounds that the technicalities of what they = were doing=20 could not be duplicated. the BBC maida vale studio was the birthplace, = in this=20 country anyway, of the whole artform of stringing multiple tape decks = together=20 in the fripp&eno fashion; delia derbyshire & co were doing it at = least=20 ten years earlier.
 
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From: Michael Billow = [mailto:mbillow@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:15 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Fripp & = Eno 1973=20 / BBC / Peel

OK Im a little lost in this thread, where are the working = links to=20 the Fripp and Eno video clips? Can someone please re-post them, or post = some new=20 working links, because I got very excited about these ones, yet for = several days=20 have not been able to download them....




------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C2E5.FEB5A6B8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 12:08:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 831713BF86; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> Subject: RE: Personal looping archaeology Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:08:40 +0200 Message-ID: <003c01c7c2eb$0e4b0890$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfC5y4NWhiPuUdOSjmJ/aqJHjggEQAA4jLA In-Reply-To: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:08:46 +0000 (UTC) > Listen at your own risk and bear in mind that this is what > happens when you let guitar players too close to keyboards. nice little pieces. Looping archeology can be big fun! I'm currently working on my new website which will feature all the findings from my own personal music archeology ... and this one goes back to 1973 :-) so lotsa stuff ... I'll post this when it's up ... -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 12:57:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B1DA3BF7C; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aNMVXJawLPfDwvwErMeaXSoF4/NCn89qM07HuTo85sFcSqzoM1sTLpzMm4VEClLtUr9D8wlpnM+paZch+XgWHxytMrpqDweWcxTq9M0EQsUAdr5LtNAJkrnZN6eHT2wGBwURGAoEjubsOqlHA3Cm3bqpQm1urAFcIKwufgA/3nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JdFEPJO3PrHQVk4P7kKqqkfcRzkdl0yZjraf8A5nWQ8DPP+KdAZHf3bAoxdvGBI494PcSlpZVMzqOul6PGld5J08g1ubse5PwUuVY4XYoK0Bsc/uuLsk8IzSZzDPldtz3dNSp/3/S0nAqgATECj0JO3LI3Tr6u5mEkhIIzN2xKU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0707100557v767a8b7x149c1f0deaf6542b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:57:39 -0500 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA In-Reply-To: <9B6134AD-06A7-4A23-8282-E54B066AB61A@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_183298_29846718.1184072259142" References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> <9B6134AD-06A7-4A23-8282-E54B066AB61A@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:57:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_183298_29846718.1184072259142 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I=B4ve had very good luck with SoulSeek as well. I found copies of LaMonte Young=B4s "well tuned piano", James "Blood" Ulmer's "Free Lancing" and Arth= ur Blythe's "Illusions" all stuff I'd love to buy if I could find it. Used copies of the "well tuned piano" sell for hundreds of dollars, silly money. It seems to me that the Columbia, Blue Note and Arista back catalogs would generate a good chunk of money if they would release all the out of print stuff as mp3 downloads. Why anything is "out of print" in the digital age escapes me. On 7/9/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > I have also found new > music by the P2P community SoulSeek by doing a search for something > obscure that I like and then viewing the shared files of someone that > pops up among the search hits (if they have what I was searching for > chances are they have more in line with my taste). > --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon ------=_Part_183298_29846718.1184072259142 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I=B4ve had very good luck with SoulSeek as well. I found copies of LaMonte = Young=B4s "well tuned piano", James "Blood" Ulmer's= "Free Lancing" and Arthur Blythe's "Illusions" all= stuff I'd love to buy if I could find it. Used copies of the "wel= l tuned piano" sell for hundreds of dollars, silly money. It seems to = me that the Columbia, Blue Note and Arista back catalogs would generate a g= ood chunk of money if they would release all the out of print stuff as mp3 = downloads. Why anything is "out of print" in the digital age esca= pes me.

On 7/9/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@= gmail.com> wrote:
  I have also found new
music by the P2P community SoulSeek by doin= g a search for something
obscure that I like and then viewing the shared= files of someone that
pops up among the search hits (if they have what = I was searching for
chances are they have more in line with my taste).



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Art Simon
simart@null.net
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http://www.myspace.com/= artsimon ------=_Part_183298_29846718.1184072259142-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 15:06:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 556283BF87; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004f01c7c303$e8db1aa0$7801a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <000c01c7c083$5025c5d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <034f01c7c08e$3c7fb580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <46931CAE.7020002@minds-eye.org> Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:06:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:06:38 +0000 (UTC) The first time I tried Pandora, I set up a Sun Ra station. First track was Sun Ra, 2nd was a Mary Lou Williams Gospel/jazz track from the '60's, third was Manhattan Transfer. I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan Transfer in 2 moves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora > Warren Sirota wrote: > >>And there's always Pandora. What they need to do (according to analogy) is >>to exit "original Yahoo mode" (editors involved in every categorization) >>and >>go to full Web 2.0/Google mode (automated classification of music >>according >>to their "genome" schema - not an easy task) so they can really scale. >> > You've got to watch out for Pandora though, I was listening using the > German band Can as my seed as it were, and after several fine selections > the station offered up a track by....David Hasselhoff!!!!! Seriously > messed me up :-) > > Kevin > > -- > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 16:06:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F18E53BF93; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707101606.l6AG6gCr075643@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: BOSS RV70 Reverb Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:06:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C7C2D1.A300A3B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfDDE8j+/CaVE89SMCrntHK1wq5sg== X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:06:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C7C2D1.A300A3B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Boss VF-1, which is a great unit as half this list will attest, however for everything great it does, I have to admit the reverbs do sound a bit artificial to my ears. I much prefer the reverb on my TC electronics Model One, or even a lexicon MPX100 which I believe was the cheapest reverb they made. The TC gets my vote as it also seems to have excellent headroom, and has very smooth reverb sounds The Danes have got it going on when it comes to reverb and pastries. Also being part Danish myself I had to support my Peeps. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C7C2D1.A300A3B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a Boss VF-1, which is a great unit as half = this list will attest, however for everything great it does, I have to admit the = reverbs do sound a bit artificial to my ears. I much prefer the reverb on my TC electronics Model One, or even a lexicon MPX100 which I believe was the cheapest reverb they made. The TC gets my vote as it also seems to have = excellent headroom, and has very smooth reverb sounds The Danes have got it going = on when it comes to reverb and pastries. Also being part Danish myself I had to = support my Peeps.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C7C2D1.A300A3B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 16:23:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB073BF55; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GRyL6I4emkv/jK3yJIKvfRGs9T8eyvDC6JsUu3ml+kMclLv50D1mrzHoNSz/FF2czsawYblaEaUY4UGEQ8PsJg6qc4FKhFrojq9APw+xODt8XyTas2FM+oXFu9wakT2LT/RxbNxiXdHnyNZBZIxDohNBJnbaOlFbKoYr17TGjts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kzgSURvlajhzDQnypt4K2j6nnTcc1X9LYUoclDPVn+9g1sbCjfQ1L9sWi9IpCD3ynYVO4iYwEwExvd3ASrPBsvCWqxX89KBaL9v4NzLjDpT2TkS3RL6R2pYik4KqwCJjhf3evXcVP85wVEp+5PJYOIF8GduGBm6LuLcvYSPLxFI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:23:18 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora In-Reply-To: <004f01c7c303$e8db1aa0$7801a8c0@DTT60> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_164331_24331711.1184084598321" References: <000c01c7c083$5025c5d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <034f01c7c08e$3c7fb580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <46931CAE.7020002@minds-eye.org> <004f01c7c303$e8db1aa0$7801a8c0@DTT60> Resent-Message-ID: <1xr5sC.A.UdF.3J7kGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:23:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_164331_24331711.1184084598321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan >Transfer in 2 moves. Ahem: Sun Ra... ...played with Yusef Lateef on "The Dozier Boys with Eugene Wright and his Dukes of Swing," who... ...played with Jon Hendricks on "Bamboo Flute Blues," who, of course, worked with... ...Manhattan Transfer on "Vocalese." So there. On 7/10/07, Dave Trenkel wrote: > > The first time I tried Pandora, I set up a Sun Ra station. First track was > Sun Ra, 2nd was a Mary Lou Williams Gospel/jazz track from the '60's, > third > was Manhattan Transfer. I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan > Transfer in 2 moves. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora > > > > Warren Sirota wrote: > > > >>And there's always Pandora. What they need to do (according to analogy) > is > >>to exit "original Yahoo mode" (editors involved in every categorization) > >>and > >>go to full Web 2.0/Google mode (automated classification of music > >>according > >>to their "genome" schema - not an easy task) so they can really scale. > >> > > You've got to watch out for Pandora though, I was listening using the > > German band Can as my seed as it were, and after several fine > selections > > the station offered up a track by....David Hasselhoff!!!!! Seriously > > messed me up :-) > > > > Kevin > > > > -- > > Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a > > form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all > trouble. > > > > - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) > > > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_164331_24331711.1184084598321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan
>Transfer in 2 moves.


Ahem:


Sun Ra...

 ...played with Yusef Lateef on "The Dozier Boys with Eugene Wright and his Dukes of Swing," who...

 ...played with Jon Hendricks on
"Bamboo Flute Blues," who, of course, worked with...

...Manhattan Transfer on "Vocalese."


So there.



On 7/10/07, Dave Trenkel <improv@peak.org> wrote:
The first time I tried Pandora, I set up a Sun Ra station. First track was
Sun Ra, 2nd was a Mary Lou Williams Gospel/jazz track from the '60's, third
was Manhattan Transfer. I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan
Transfer in 2 moves.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" <kevin@minds-eye.org>
To: < Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora


> Warren Sirota wrote:
>
>>And there's always Pandora. What they need to do (according to analogy) is
>>to exit "original Yahoo mode" (editors involved in every categorization)
>>and
>>go to full Web 2.0/Google mode (automated classification of music
>>according
>>to their "genome" schema - not an easy task) so they can really scale.
>>
> You've got to watch out for Pandora though,  I was listening using the
> German band Can as my seed as it were, and  after several fine selections
> the station offered up a track by....David Hasselhoff!!!!!  Seriously
> messed me up :-)
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.
>
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
>
>
>



------=_Part_164331_24331711.1184084598321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 16:44:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA8CA3BF9E; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:44:38 EDT Subject: question about guitar lessons To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_be7.19fc99e2.33c51176_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:44:45 +0000 (UTC) --part1_be7.19fc99e2.33c51176_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i know there are a few guitar players on this list and i was wondering if anyone could recomend a good beginners guitar course.....i have offered to teach begining guitar at my community center and rather than pass on my mistakes i would like to offer a good experience for the kiddies.....and this is totally on topic because all of these little crumb crushers will become loopers, so there!.....thnaks in advance and please reply of list.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_be7.19fc99e2.33c51176_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know there are a few guitar players o= n this list and i was wondering if anyone could recomend a good beginners gu= itar course.....i have offered to teach begining guitar at my community cent= er and rather than pass on my mistakes i would like to offer a good experien= ce for the kiddies.....and this is totally on topic because all of these lit= tle crumb crushers will become loopers, so there!.....thnaks in advance and=20= please reply of list.....michael



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See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_be7.19fc99e2.33c51176_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 17:28:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3502B3BF58; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WvUJ/2mRe3luas1NNU5lGWJtkWy0zj6sCcesVI93Ky9vmxGJGZvuVF/GWEozUrzPYhcBxaLVftjD6DVtSvS8EaoYj8ys0kBpPj+y4aG3n/GafB9jMMRcrj6A64fBzGJhjocAyie7tNu+EnXPM3EqTERyPBGH5emy4i83afk0Yos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QgxSO0KiOGLaj+Y1C+pAuFzRoJWs3QruRdnuh0DZm0bkKnBxvMrDo5/reiihPSrI6RJwn2xOQ25Jqn2OYZibPKN1brTFTqT3KXJTpQ+/SBqaJw6WfsrAOGMWHyy0k7OrfQA8qclPlHtGZsJo0EZL+XgWGQOX/PKV1dWpjWYSElc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:28:05 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid (was: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_147300_4769591.1184088485512" References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:28:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_147300_4769591.1184088485512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's primarily a matter of "atmosphere." Why choose one bar over another, assuming they have the same beers available? Prices? Sure, but in a competitive market, those are going to be relatively close. A larger deciding factor for many is going to be the atmosphere. The music piped over the myoozak system or performed live is going to help people decided which bar to go to. That music can also have an effect on how much time a person or group of people stay in the establishment. The longer they stay, the more they're likely to spend. As a specific example of music directly impacting the profitability of a bar, I put forth personal experience playing in a band that plays a mix of originals and traditional Irish/Scottish/Welsh/English folk songs (mostly of the drinking variety). When we play at bars, they sell more whiskey than on nights they have one of the local blues bands or the 80s cover/party band. Might have something to do with all the songs we sing about whiskey. At the very least, it has something to do with all the rounds of shots the crowd sends up to the stage to entice us to sing certain drinking-oriented sea chanteys. As another example, there are a handful of restaurants in the area of the 'steakhouse' variety (both national chains as well as ma-n-pop). Some of the national/regional chains are built on strong ties to the South and Southwest of the US. As a result, their atmosphere is governed by the country music cowboy atmosphere. I generally don't care to have country music blasting at me while I'm trying to eat, so I tend to elsewhere when I want a steak. Plenty of other people love the atmosphere and go to those places, at least in part, because of it. Ultimately, if the aural atmosphere had no impact on a restaurant or a bar, they wouldn't bother to pay bands to play or even bother to wire the place for sound. Who needs the expense and hassle? A bar owner's magnanimity toward local musicians will usually only last as long as their business benefits from the relationship. There are few who feel an altruistic drive to support local music(ians), business survival be damned. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 7/9/07, Rev Fever wrote: > > > > But, I still do not see how a place's profits are verifiably > "increased" for them featuring recordings, or cover tunes being > played live, and why they should be "billed" for doing so? > > > ------=_Part_147300_4769591.1184088485512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's primarily a matter of "atmosphere." Why choose one bar over another, assuming they have the same beers available? Prices? Sure, but in a competitive market, those are going to be relatively close. A larger deciding factor for many is going to be the atmosphere. The music piped over the myoozak system or performed live is going to help people decided which bar to go to. That music can also have an effect on how much time a person or group of people stay in the establishment. The longer they stay, the more they're likely to spend.

As a specific example of music directly impacting the profitability of a bar, I put forth personal experience playing in a band that plays a mix of originals and traditional Irish/Scottish/Welsh/English folk songs (mostly of the drinking variety). When we play at bars, they sell more whiskey than on nights they have one of the local blues bands or the 80s cover/party band. Might have something to do with all the songs we sing about whiskey. At the very least, it has something to do with all the rounds of shots the crowd sends up to the stage to entice us to sing certain drinking-oriented sea chanteys.

As another example, there are a handful of restaurants in the area of the 'steakhouse' variety (both national chains as well as ma-n-pop). Some of the national/regional chains are built on strong ties to the South and Southwest of the US. As a result, their atmosphere is governed by the country music cowboy atmosphere. I generally don't care to have country music blasting at me while I'm trying to eat, so I tend to elsewhere when I want a steak. Plenty of other people love the atmosphere and go to those places, at least in part, because of it.

Ultimately, if the aural atmosphere had no impact on a restaurant or a bar, they wouldn't bother to pay bands to play or even bother to wire the place for sound. Who needs the expense and hassle? A bar owner's magnanimity toward local musicians will usually only last as long as their business benefits from the relationship. There are few who feel an altruistic drive to support local music(ians), business survival be damned.

Cheers,
Jon Southwood

On 7/9/07, Rev Fever <revfever@ubergadget.com> wrote:


But, I still do not see how a place's profits are verifiably
"increased" for them featuring recordings, or cover tunes being
played live, and why they should be "billed" for doing so?



------=_Part_147300_4769591.1184088485512-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 17:59:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCDCC3BF6E; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4693C911.4070608@mail.dk> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:59:45 +0200 From: Ian Petersen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question about guitar lessons References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_KRGrD.A.dcD.Tk8kGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Nemoguitt wrote: > i know there are a few guitar players on this list and i was wondering > if anyone could recomend a good beginners guitar course.. Kirk Lorange's 'Plane Talk' is one of the best beginner guitar methods I've come across. It's intelligent and fun and is actually useful for 'beginners' of 20+ years experience of playing guitar like myself. Really, highly recommended. http://www.thatllteachyou.com/ Ian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:04:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 258B33BF80; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #499 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:04:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c7c325$30f976d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <009201c7c2c4$43c65b40$2302a8c0@chris> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfCw8MKJkii4FCdTcqr1r2+FCzqQQAYT+Qg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:04:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm going to deny your request due to the fact that if you really wanted = to be off this list you'd follow the simple instructions on the Loopers = Delight page that explain how to unsubscribe. CONFIRMATION: DENIED. -----Original Message----- From: Chris@jtc.de [mailto:chris@jtc.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #499 I don=B4t want to be part of the mailing list anymore. Please confirm! CHRISTO JOTA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #499 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:30:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA62D3BF6B; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070710143012.00hvzx0xs0kcgw0s@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:30:12 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new looping work References: <040001c7c26a$07264920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <040001c7c26a$07264920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Quoting RICK WALKER : > Man, after hearing this piece of music, I'm so damned excited you are > going to > come perform at Y2K7... > > ...see you in October with bells and whistles on, > > sincerely, > > Rick Walker > > > http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml Hi Rick! Glad you like the music. I am looking forward to the festival. Will be fun to meet you and other folks from the list in person. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 19:48:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EC743BF7B; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070710143012.00hvzx0xs0kcgw0s@69.89.21.76> References: <040001c7c26a$07264920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070710143012.00hvzx0xs0kcgw0s@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <984B17E3-E547-45DA-9D62-A52C3011FFFA@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: new looping work (Kevin) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:48:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Yes. Very nice! Congrats! It also one the best uses of the Theremin I have heard in a long time. Most of the time, it has been people with Theremins making the worst screeches and noise, and then calling it "art". Kevin actually deserves that term. He has earned it. BTW, where is this Y2K7 event going to happen again? -Rev. Fever On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:30 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting RICK WALKER : > >> Man, after hearing this piece of music, I'm so damned excited you >> are >> going to come perform at Y2K7... >> >> ...see you in October with bells and whistles on, >> >> sincerely, >> >> Rick Walker >> >> >> http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml > > Hi Rick! Glad you like the music. I am looking forward to the > festival. Will be fun to meet you and other folks from the list in > person. > > -- Kevin > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 20:17:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9187E3BF6B; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: BOSS RV70 Reverb Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:16:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7c32f$31e3f250$020313ac@yoyo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7C33F.F56CC250" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200707101606.l6AG6gCr075643@mail.cruzio.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcfDDE8j+/CaVE89SMCrntHK1wq5sgAIlpmw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: weequay 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:17:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7C33F.F56CC250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, the Boss reverb is not bad but you can't expect a pro sound from a unit in this price range. I would therefore recommend something like a used TC Electronic (M-One) or a Lexicon. Sjaak - Belgium ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7C33F.F56CC250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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                                               Copyright © Paypal 2007. All rights From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 21:35:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B34143BF6E; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:33:48 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora To: Kelly Coyle , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003201c7c33a$3f0a2f20$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jeZnJa+jS45FqjS+Tcyq8Q)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <9hk1dD.A._BH.fu_kGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:35:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_jeZnJa+jS45FqjS+Tcyq8Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT SCORE! > I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan >Transfer in 2 moves. Ahem: Sun Ra... ...played with Yusef Lateef on "The Dozier Boys with Eugene Wright and his Dukes of Swing," who... ...played with Jon Hendricks on "Bamboo Flute Blues," who, of course, worked with... ...Manhattan Transfer on "Vocalese." So there. --Boundary_(ID_jeZnJa+jS45FqjS+Tcyq8Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

SCORE!
 
> I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan
>Transfer in 2 moves.


Ahem:


Sun Ra...

 ...played with Yusef Lateef on "The Dozier Boys with Eugene Wright and his Dukes of Swing," who...

 ...played with Jon Hendricks on
"Bamboo Flute Blues," who, of course, worked with...

...Manhattan Transfer on "Vocalese."


So there.


--Boundary_(ID_jeZnJa+jS45FqjS+Tcyq8Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 10 22:05:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22D653BF70; Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02b601c7c33e$5e63dca0$7801a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <003201c7c33a$3f0a2f20$9715be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:05:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B3_01C7C303.B1739A10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0.475 () HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:05:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B3_01C7C303.B1739A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sorry, but just because Jon Hendricks exhibited some dubious taste = late in his career, it still doesn't make it OK :-) But thanks for the research... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Baldwin=20 To: Kelly Coyle ; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: Re: nonaligned radio/Pandora SCORE! > I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to Manhattan >Transfer in 2 moves. Ahem: Sun Ra... ...played with Yusef Lateef on "The Dozier Boys with Eugene Wright = and his Dukes of Swing," who...=20 ...played with Jon Hendricks on "Bamboo Flute Blues," who, of course, = worked with... ...Manhattan Transfer on "Vocalese." So there. ------=_NextPart_000_02B3_01C7C303.B1739A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sorry, but just because Jon = Hendricks exhibited=20 some dubious taste late in his career, it still doesn't make it OK=20 :-)
 
But thanks for the = research...
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas=20 Baldwin
To: Kelly Coyle ; Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 = 2:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: nonaligned=20 radio/Pandora

SCORE!
 
> I'm sorry, but you can't go from Ra to = Manhattan
>Transfer in=20 2 moves.


Ahem:


Sun Ra...

 ...played = with=20 Yusef Lateef on "The Dozier Boys with Eugene Wright and his Dukes of = Swing,"=20 who...

 ...played with Jon Hendricks on =
"Bamboo Flute Blues," who, of course, worked=20 with...

...Manhattan Transfer on "Vocalese."


So=20 there.


------=_NextPart_000_02B3_01C7C303.B1739A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:01:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E0193BF69; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:01:18 EDT Subject: thnaks and les paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf9.145d42a6.33c585de_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:01:28 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cf9.145d42a6.33c585de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thnaks too all the guitar methods that were suggested.....i'll get bz looking them over.....tamari nite, wednesday on PBS "AMERICAN MASTERS" they are covering LES PAUL.....should be interesting!.....the truth is out there.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_cf9.145d42a6.33c585de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thnaks too all the guitar methods that=20= were suggested.....i'll get bz looking them over.....tamari nite, wednesday=20= on PBS "AMERICAN MASTERS" they are covering LES PAUL.....should be interesti= ng!.....the truth is out there.....:).....michael



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See what's=20= free at http://www.aol.com. --part1_cf9.145d42a6.33c585de_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:34:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1042B3BF6B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jOSm+sE/VUplmapGrzZfsT7m/sJXKDn9Zbs3zDgyKqYjzcsG3uzFKJ18Fjv7A8uu7L/yfsGq3oX7W44++UZ3XvIkVAkjdF1mpjihLQLB/RrfvlU6Z9kzx5KkhIyuMMcBpiZ2av0GOtfG3UlKj+RkYbPOMa/kcqqqdFOam2cfTwU=; X-YMail-OSG: O4mL_mEVM1kdHX5IucIo5tU9Kg3SOZQcTF6vV76Hfp2Z2djRFOeB_QuTbXdrAWA7oNOOSqsRK02rE3oFeWGkvX3V0Zj_W.p4Q8wgec9KonODKAwULwWPYzzrSoT9vg-- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: RE: BOSS RV70 Reverb To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c7c32f$31e3f250$020313ac@yoyo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-799558607-1184117669=:56697" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <863816.56697.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:34:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-799558607-1184117669=:56697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the replies re: the Boss reverb. 'Guess I'll pass on this type of unit. I just bid on an ALesis Quadraverb 2 which I used to have. I kinda liked that unit. Had some good 'verbs. Regards, Paul Sjaak wrote: @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-compose } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Hi, the Boss reverb is not bad but you can't expect a pro sound from a unit in this price range. I would therefore recommend something like a used TC Electronic (M-One) or a Lexicon. Sjaak - Belgium --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --0-799558607-1184117669=:56697 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks for the replies re: the Boss reverb. 'Guess I'll pass on this type of unit.
 
I just bid on an ALesis Quadraverb 2 which I used to have. I kinda liked that unit. Had some good 'verbs.
 
Regards, Paul

Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
Hi, the Boss reverb is not bad but you can't expect a pro sound from a unit in this price range. I would therefore recommend something like a used TC Electronic (M-One) or a Lexicon.
 
Sjaak - Belgium


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Auto Green Center. --0-799558607-1184117669=:56697-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:38:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5FC3BF69; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:38:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UmV3SaLkhREuRnZDgGPumtCkQMUvysmzjsraI85+8NcPtt9SxN5NHmx31BM0tVHfzepMyQS0jqV1Aukb3ULc0qBCA7/ZuNZ2bA5BZJDOrMHUmvikJiWpacDwoQSItwdAxBobuji4Y/Alafb4eSNJtG3/LxAsGhmz+ts+bVqOUJ4=; X-YMail-OSG: kS.NU_0VM1lYrOCtRMq5mnHv1N9oZ1iT.p89hSpkEVDS_Joc9MS1Z.jgCUl53UPwABbIZnDzFkAtzKt0cGuHQ6GLG1NWDQni3tSCe9bm7FQfSBKO2oG9q.lPkYETyQ-- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:38:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: new looping work (Kevin) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <984B17E3-E547-45DA-9D62-A52C3011FFFA@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <866738.78894.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:38:08 +0000 (UTC) wonderful kevin very reminicent of Steve Reich! cheers Luis --- Rev Fever wrote: > Yes. Very nice! Congrats! > > It also one the best uses of the Theremin I have > heard in a long time. > Most of the time, it has been people with Theremins > making the worst > screeches and noise, and then calling it "art". > > Kevin actually deserves that term. He has earned it. > > BTW, where is this Y2K7 event going to happen again? > > -Rev. Fever > > On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:30 PM, > kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > > Quoting RICK WALKER : > > > >> Man, after hearing this piece of music, I'm so > damned excited you > >> are > >> going to come perform at Y2K7... > >> > >> ...see you in October with bells and whistles on, > >> > >> sincerely, > >> > >> Rick Walker > >> > >> > >> http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml > > > > Hi Rick! Glad you like the music. I am looking > forward to the > > festival. Will be fun to meet you and other folks > from the list in > > person. > > > > -- Kevin > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 01:56:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3A43BF45; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=St0xPYlJEFYu/U6nyGSt8VSHANtyi9DDg1t6RoIzzUhd0SHU9jejMMZGOczBqDgXWTJiFraaB3/TQCaZ6SfwYpHs6fEDE4W/4dsFWQHF2op71nx4XzneKHK5hIiiElwKyoWHpyiy7+rN+gz7u8KCPAwsfoaUuNOA0qps2Co6U9I=; X-YMail-OSG: pDkFHmUVM1mc3NUddM._wSIFb7_wm6eHSy7Fssv1n_XGSQh9YSuSBRRNU0owFLCjdUHs8xzcsD_3h0TQ3t9wFA-- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:56:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0707100557v767a8b7x149c1f0deaf6542b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <59382.58545.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:56:37 +0000 (UTC) also the soulseek creators artist´s material is great check it out! Luis --- Art Simon wrote: > I´ve had very good luck with SoulSeek as well. I > found copies of LaMonte > Young´s "well tuned piano", James "Blood" Ulmer's > "Free Lancing" and Arthur > Blythe's "Illusions" all stuff I'd love to buy if I > could find it. Used > copies of the "well tuned piano" sell for hundreds > of dollars, silly money. > It seems to me that the Columbia, Blue Note and > Arista back catalogs would > generate a good chunk of money if they would release > all the out of print > stuff as mp3 downloads. Why anything is "out of > print" in the digital age > escapes me. > > On 7/9/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > I have also found new > > music by the P2P community SoulSeek by doing a > search for something > > obscure that I like and then viewing the shared > files of someone that > > pops up among the search hits (if they have what I > was searching for > > chances are they have more in line with my taste). > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:24:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91CA63BF63; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:24:56 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: 777 !!! To: Message-id: <001c01c7c2fe$179a0500$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C2DC.8FE9B400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9D0095F4-8158-43E6-8E31-0C994ECB2514@ubergadget.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:24:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C2DC.8FE9B400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've been recording on these funky dates. 9/9/99 01/01/00 10/01/01 10/11/01 02/02/02 02/22/02 03/03/03 04/04/04 05/05/05 04/05/06 06/06/06 07/07/07 No, I'm not into some numerology thing - but just use this as an excuse = to get away and record some stuff. I'm hoping to release a CD of the = 9/9/99 recordings this year. =20 David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rev Fever=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: OT: 777 !!! Happy 777 !!!=20 Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which ONLY = happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS! So celebrate! Hurray! -Rev. Fever ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C2DC.8FE9B400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I've been recording on these = funky=20 dates.
 
9/9/99
01/01/00
10/01/01
10/11/01
02/02/02
02/22/02
03/03/03
04/04/04
05/05/05
04/05/06
06/06/06
07/07/07
 
No, I'm not into some numerology thing = - but just=20 use this as an excuse to get away and record some stuff.  I'm = hoping to=20 release a CD of the 9/9/99 recordings this year. 
 
David
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rev=20 Fever
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 = 1:53=20 PM
Subject: OT: 777 !!!

Happy 777=20 !!! 

Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which = ONLY=20 happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS!

So celebrate!  Hurray!

-Rev. Fever
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7C2DC.8FE9B400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:28:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24E43BF5B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:28:35 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? To: Message-id: <002901c7c2fe$9bc4dbc0$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7C2DD.1224A1A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002001c7bb81$5cef2420$0affff0a@hppav> <2040.74.70.98.21.1183864620.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:28:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7C2DD.1224A1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I record, I definitely think about what I've done, and how to be = "new." Being huge and not sucking are also important. :-) When I do a = poor job of something (in my opinion) I tend to not share it much. Not = everything will be good or great. But curating one's own work and = focusing on "the best" is valid. Of course, I always wonder about the = songs The Beatles never finished... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Richmond=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:17 PM, p koniuto wrote: Second, i can offer that i believe most of us go into the studio thinking, at least on some level, we are doing something for posterity's sake, that this should last, it should speak to generations, it is carved in stone, it's what we are leaving the world. I'm quite surprised by this. I have to say that when I am recording the idea that anyone will care = about what I am doing is the last thing from my mind. Depending on whether it is a personal project or session work my = thoughts usually range from "How am I going to make this sound huge?" to = "How am I going to make this suck less than it does?" - I've never = thought about the idea of a 'legacy'. Wouldn't that seem a bit presumptuous and maybe a bit naff? You are right though- if one was thinking these thoughts it would = absolutely affect the work. I've occassionaly worked with the odd person who can be best described = as wanna-bee auteur- these people are usually more trouble than they are = worth and best avoided, unless the money is right. I would rather an easier life, myself. Regards,=20 Jim Richmond Currently positioned next to a farting bulldog. Green Village, NJ ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7C2DD.1224A1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When I record, I definitely think about = what I've=20 done, and how to be "new."  Being huge and not sucking are also = important.=20 :-)  When I do a poor job of something (in my opinion) I tend to = not share=20 it much.  Not everything will be good or great.  But curating = one's=20 own work and focusing on "the best" is valid.  Of course, I always = wonder=20 about the songs The Beatles never finished...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 James Richmond =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 = 12:16=20 PM
Subject: Re: Studio recording - = breaking=20 patterns - ideas?

On Jul 7, 2007, at 11:17 PM, p koniuto wrote:

Second, i can offer that i believe most of us go into = the

studio thinking, at least on some level, we are = doing

something for posterity's sake, that this should last, = it

should speak to generations, it is carved in stone, it's=20 what

we are leaving the world.


I'm quite surprised by this.

I have to say that when I am recording the idea that anyone will = care=20 about what I am doing is the last thing from my mind.
Depending on whether it is a personal project or session = work my=20 thoughts usually range from "How am I going to make this sound huge?" = to "How=20 am I going to make this suck less than it does?" - I've never thought=20 about  the idea of a 'legacy'.

Wouldn't that seem a bit presumptuous and maybe a bit naff?
You are right though- if one was thinking these thoughts it would = absolutely affect the work.

I've occassionaly worked with the odd person who can be best = described=20 as wanna-bee auteur- these people are usually more trouble than = they are=20 worth and best avoided, unless the money is right.
I would rather an easier life, myself.

Regards, 

Jim Richmond

Currently positioned next to a farting bulldog.
Green Village, NJ
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7C2DD.1224A1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:29:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 840043BF5F; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ba01c7c363$3dd31210$5fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <9D0095F4-8158-43E6-8E31-0C994ECB2514@ubergadget.com> <001c01c7c2fe$179a0500$5ca95548@hppav> Subject: Re: 777 !!! Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:28:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03B7_01C7C330.F24EDE50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:29:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03B7_01C7C330.F24EDE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 2-year old twins were born on 5/5/05 (2005). And their great = grandfather was also born on 5/5/05 (1905). On 7/7/07, they were 2 years = old, 2 months, and 2 days...2-2-2. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Well, I've been recording on these funky dates. 9/9/99 01/01/00 10/01/01 10/11/01 02/02/02 02/22/02 03/03/03 04/04/04 05/05/05 04/05/06 06/06/06 07/07/07 No, I'm not into some numerology thing - but just use this as an = excuse to get away and record some stuff. I'm hoping to release a CD of = the 9/9/99 recordings this year. =20 David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rev Fever=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: OT: 777 !!! Happy 777 !!! =20 Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which ONLY = happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS!=20 So celebrate! Hurray! -Rev. Fever ------=_NextPart_000_03B7_01C7C330.F24EDE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 2-year old twins were born on 5/5/05 = (2005). And=20 their great grandfather was also born on 5/5/05 (1905). On 7/7/07, they = were 2=20 years old, 2 months, and 2 days...2-2-2.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

Well, I've been recording on these = funky=20 dates.
 
9/9/99
01/01/00
10/01/01
10/11/01
02/02/02
02/22/02
03/03/03
04/04/04
05/05/05
04/05/06
06/06/06
07/07/07
 
No, I'm not into some numerology = thing - but just=20 use this as an excuse to get away and record some stuff.  I'm = hoping to=20 release a CD of the 9/9/99 recordings this year. 
 
David
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rev=20 Fever
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 = 1:53=20 PM
Subject: OT: 777 !!!

Happy 777=20 !!! =20

Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which = ONLY=20 happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS!=20

So celebrate!  Hurray!

-Rev. Fever
------=_NextPart_000_03B7_01C7C330.F24EDE50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:33:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D1A53BF56; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:33:46 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Cellphone looping - did somebody do that so far? To: Message-id: <004201c7c2ff$55a871a0$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000901c7c25e$7ec17330$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <4v-K6D.A.AyE.iFElGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Not sure if this is quite what you're after, but check out Windows Mobile devices, and these bits of software. http://vitotechnology.com/en/products/soundexplorer.html http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/resco_audio_recorder An important difference between the iPhone and Windows Mobile devices seems to be that iPhone is requesting apps to run as a service from the web, whereas Windows Mobile apps to be installed on the phone/device. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Cellphone looping - did somebody do that so far? > Awa-yeah motherfuckah! Nothing like reading LD at a café on > my pretty new toy. I can't wait until someone hacks it to > run audio apps. ;) Bringing that back on-topic, at least for those non-iphone-people: can anyone tell me whether it's possible to run audio apps (both if it's possible and if such are available) for your run-of-the-mill Java-equipped cell phone? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:39:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D81373BF4F; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cYNaAZr41JogBToYD6d/0TJB1A63gJJquwfYokQGnWvfXSvIxGLvurKDN2PGifS83mBNeDJVLjsANQSxSXXumXhymDjTn2Noevanll51jPGWiZ6hrXvUaI6jLTYJddz9qUg2Mkn3TtB44t3YjYlCYXovCyfE4Gd4dmvjGgEp5v0=; X-YMail-OSG: L1W8HcoVM1mlkC5cNpDgIzg1BbS84VC9sGo5TKX91xv10Vc7JB39DC1guZExAr9yQA-- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <96363619-E134-4D1F-8637-9CB63C3EBC8A@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <636538.4100.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:39:42 +0000 (UTC) wow this is really mind blowing! thanx for the info cheers Luis --- Rev Fever wrote: > It could have been either BMI or ASCAP, and it is > likely that you are > correct. > This occurred over 20 years ago at least, so I > could forgotten a > detail like that. > > Also, it was possible that the place simply did NOT > KNOW that they > had to pay to just > have a guy play some sheet music on a piano, as > opposed to playing > recorded music in their establishment. > > And, regardless of whoever it did the "enforcement", > it was still a > thuggish maneuver. > In the case of the restaurant and the piano player, > it was like going > after a flea with a SLEDGEHAMMER. > > I would not try to defend these BMI or ASACAP jerks > for behavior such > as that. > > Violating copyrights via bootlegging recordings and > other nasty > behavior is one thing. > But, to do what they did to that place and a simple > little piano > player is simply just excessive. C'mon now. > > -Rev. Fever > > PS-As for the RIAA, check out some of their ugly > history on wiki. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA > > On Jul 9, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > Actually that probably wasn't the RIAA, but either > BMI or ASCAP. > > > > The scenario you described is how publishing works > in America. It > > costs about a thousand dollars a year for an ASCAP > or BMI license. > > The restaurant was just too cheap to pay twenty > bucks a week. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 7/9/07, Rev Fever > wrote: > > > >> The RIAA. What a bunch of thugs and vicious > brown shirts. > >> > >> Years ago, I knew of a restaurant in Dallas TX > that had a guy who > >> played PIANO in there for the soft and smooth > entertainment of the > >> diners, > >> and he played well known songs from sheet music. > Well, one day, the > >> RIAA showed up and FINED the restaurant since the > place was not > >> PAYING the royalties to have that guy play those > tunes on the > >> piano!! This resulted in the place NO MORE > having a piano player > >> and the guy LOST his JOB, which very likely was > NOT some high wage > >> job to begin with, and was supplemented by any > tips he managed to > >> get. > >> So, that poor guy was quickly and suddenly > unemployed. Welcome to > >> Corporate World. > >> > >> "Just doin' our job, ma'am". (RIAA, with a > Dragnet's Sgt Joe Friday > >> voice) > >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:40:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 180D63BF5A; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:41:05 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) To: Message-id: <004b01c7c300$5911bee0$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003b01c7c251$3a70f7d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:40:28 +0000 (UTC) The iPhone is not likely to be sold in Japan for a whle, as it I don't believe it supports the Japanese phone standards. The interface to the iPhone is 100% cool and awesomely well thought out. I love it! But my Samsung Blackjack has more capabilities for one-third the cost. Personally, I also don't like being tied to both at&t and iTunes... Maybe when version three comes out Apple will have fixed a few of the bugs. When I tried an iPhone at a store this weekend, it crashed twice... If you're interested, there are rumours of a "iPhone Nano" for sometime near Christmas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mech" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:16 PM Subject: OT: iPhone (was Re: Cellphone looping) > At 10:47 AM -0700 7/9/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > >Totally OT, it's the best phone I've ever used (my wife is a smartphone > >junky and has owned a lot of them) Since it was providence that my old > >company was canceling my service (how dare them stop paying for my cellphone > >after I quit!) on the day the iPhone came out, I went and met with my wife > >who was already on line for one at our local Apple store. > > Thanks for the quick review, Mark! > > Both my wife and I are *drooling* over this little gadget. However, > we've decided to chill out until we can purchase an unlocked version > of it. > > With all the travelling we've done, we've decided that the way cell > companies work in the US is just criminal. Here, you can usually > only get an account if you're willing to tie yourself into some bogus > "plan" for a year or more. And the only network available for the > iPhone right now is AT&T?!? Bugger them! > > I really rather like the "pay as you go" plans that are prevalent in > Asia and Europe. You buy a minute, you use a minute. Simple. Use > all your minutes? Walk down to the local "Family Mart" and buy a PIN > number to reload some more. And if you don't like the cell provider > you're using, you get a different SIM chip down at the corner store > and purchase minutes from a different provider. None of these silly > lock-ins, or small print in your "plan". > > I'm going to be over in Japan in a few weeks. I'm hoping I might be > able to snag an unlocked iPhone over there, then just install any SIM > chip I want into it. Otherwise, I'll wait for the general Asian > rollout and get one in Bangkok. > > Sorry for the rant, but I do appreciate hearing from somebody out on > the street who has RL experience with it. Just makes us want one > even more. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of > murder... later" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:43:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102593BF59; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:44:05 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Personal looping archaeology - Roland GR 500 To: Message-id: <005a01c7c300$c439ff20$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> <8CBE98B8-CD14-4FE8-AE3E-8A80191865AC@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:43:18 +0000 (UTC) I loved the GR 500! That was an awesome device. More here: http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hamburg" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:29 AM Subject: Re: Personal looping archaeology > More archaeology from December 1985 or January 1986. > > Recorded live. Roland GR-500 looping via a DigiTech RDS-3600 -- > perhaps the best part on that instrument was when it would lose pitch > tracking at the end of a note and go chaotic; a ridiculously > complicated drum pattern playing 2 against 3 against 5 or something > like that on the Korg DDM-110 and DDM-220; and a bass playing friend > of mine (David Hotchkiss) whom I confronted with some sheet music > with various phrases on it without specific timings and said just jam > along playing these. > > http://grubmah.com/music/midnight_train.mp3 > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:46:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E17F3BF5C; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:46:54 +0000 Message-Id: <071120070246.23401.4694449E0005118900005B692216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Well, I just spent the last 3 hours getting know my RC 50 in a way I never thought possible. No, I wasn't sticking my 1/4'' into the main in. I discovered the true nature of tempo sync. A bell or whistle I thought ( in much aggreement with breachthepeace@aohell) as a useless feature, but with the the right settings, I can play a part then have a percussion part chime in in perfect sync. The percussion will play in perfect sync regardless of the rhythm I play. Friggin brilliant. This does away with the need for guide tracks when playing with other musicians. Yeah, I know mobius rocks, but this $500 box continues to amaze. Boss has done a tremendous disservice to its product by providing an unbeleivibly lame manual that doesn't come cose to explaining the features of this machine. MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:52:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05623BF23; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:53:10 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: 777 !!! To: Message-id: <006b01c7c302$091e9aa0$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C7C2E0.816CC300" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <9D0095F4-8158-43E6-8E31-0C994ECB2514@ubergadget.com> <001c01c7c2fe$179a0500$5ca95548@hppav> <03ba01c7c363$3dd31210$5fb0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:52:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C7C2E0.816CC300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris -=20 How cool! =20 One of my recordings from 05/05/05 is on myspace: = http://www.myspace.com/undomusic . It's cryptically called 05/05/05, in = case you're wondering which one it is. :-) The piece called "The First Move" was recorded on 01/01/01, and Winter = Wonderment was recorded 01/01/00. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: 777 !!! My 2-year old twins were born on 5/5/05 (2005). And their great = grandfather was also born on 5/5/05 (1905). On 7/7/07, they were 2 years = old, 2 months, and 2 days...2-2-2. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Well, I've been recording on these funky dates. 9/9/99 01/01/00 10/01/01 10/11/01 02/02/02 02/22/02 03/03/03 04/04/04 05/05/05 04/05/06 06/06/06 07/07/07 No, I'm not into some numerology thing - but just use this as an = excuse to get away and record some stuff. I'm hoping to release a CD of = the 9/9/99 recordings this year. =20 David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rev Fever=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: OT: 777 !!! Happy 777 !!! =20 Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, which = ONLY happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS!=20 So celebrate! Hurray! -Rev. Fever ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C7C2E0.816CC300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kris -
 
How cool!   
 
One of my recordings from 05/05/05 is = on myspace:=20 http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c . =20 It's cryptically called 05/05/05, in case you're wondering which = one it=20 is.  :-)
 
The piece called "The First Move" = was recorded=20 on 01/01/01, and Winter Wonderment was recorded 01/01/00.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 = 10:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: 777 !!!

My 2-year old twins were born on = 5/5/05 (2005).=20 And their great grandfather was also born on 5/5/05 (1905). On 7/7/07, = they=20 were 2 years old, 2 months, and 2 days...2-2-2.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 

Well, I've been recording on these = funky=20 dates.
 
9/9/99
01/01/00
10/01/01
10/11/01
02/02/02
02/22/02
03/03/03
04/04/04
05/05/05
04/05/06
06/06/06
07/07/07
 
No, I'm not into some numerology = thing - but=20 just use this as an excuse to get away and record some stuff.  = I'm=20 hoping to release a CD of the 9/9/99 recordings this year. =20
 
David
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rev=20 Fever
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, July 07, = 2007 1:53=20 PM
Subject: OT: 777 !!!

Happy 777=20 !!! =20

Today is the 7th day, of the 7th month, of the 7th year, = which ONLY=20 happens ONCE, every ONE THOUSAND YEARS!=20

So celebrate!  Hurray!

-Rev.=20 Fever
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C7C2E0.816CC300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 02:55:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A50C3BF59; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:56:12 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? To: , Message-id: <007401c7c302$75cf0180$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002001c7bb81$5cef2420$0affff0a@hppav> <2040.74.70.98.21.1183864620.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Peter - Thanks for your very kind words. Hopefully soon you may have a chance to check out the fruits of my 07/07/07 recording activities. If you liked the Super-Cannes CD you have, I have a treat for you next time we connect. :-) David ----- Original Message ----- From: "p koniuto" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Studio recording - breaking patterns - ideas? > > David, > > Just catching up on some e-mail, so this may be a bit > late... > > For one, i'll chime in and cheer on your studio efforts > to date. I *really* enjoy all three records of yours i have > (two from UNDO and one from Super-Cannes). Many people with > whom i have shared your music have really been knocked out > with it. > > So, bravo! Go into your next recording session knowing > listeners of diverse walks of life are charged by your music. > > Second, i can offer that i believe most of us go into the > studio thinking, at least on some level, we are doing > something for posterity's sake, that this should last, it > should speak to generations, it is carved in stone, it's what > we are leaving the world. > > However much or little truth to any of that there may be, > LEAVE IT AT THE THE STUDIO DOOR WHEN YOU WALK IN. > > It's not easy, for many of us are paying a good chunk to record, > or at the very least, making ourselves vulnerable within that > moment of creation (the very definition of artist, to me)--it > costs us, one way or another, and we feel we need a lasting > return on our investment. > > At the risk of sounding like i am preaching the Buddhist doctrine, > i say embrace the *impermancence* of what you are doing when you > go in to record. "Shiver!--the Record button is on!" Forget > about it already. It's NOT going to capture who you are and what > you do no matter what, it'll only be a snapshot, so accept that > and have fun. Ever seen a still image of log rollers?--it's quite > a different thing in motion, especially when you're doing the > rolling. That's being the artist, and the best an audience can > expect from a recording is that still image. Roll on anyway! > The "still image" you leave behind will be better for it. > > Third, if you are particularly worried about repeating certain > patterns, i encourage you to immerse yourself in music very > foreign to your own but that speaks to you just before recording. > Bring it into the studio even. I saw Terry Bozzio do this with > a field recording of Senegalese tribal drummers. He couldn't > possibly replicate what they were doing, but it put him in a > different place, it threw him in the deep end, if you will. > Personally, i've done it with Steve Reich recordings, Thai > classical music, the latest in Top 40 slick pop. Try Judy > Garland, play it on 10. > > I've blathered on... > > Let me say just one other thing: it's GREAT NEWS to hear you > are heading back into the studio, David! Let us all know when > you feel you have something new to share. > > Best, > Peter > > ______________________________ > Peter Koniuto > Creative Recordist - Composer > Red Sun Soundroom > Niskayuna, NY > > COMING SOON! > Pseudophone's "Reach" > A free EP from Negative Sound Institute > > http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com > peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com > ______________________________ > > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 2:55 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > > > > Hi - > > > > > > > > > > I'm going into studio next weekend to record. Over the years I've > > fallen > > > > into patterns. I'd like to try something different. > > > > > > > > > > Past efforts can be heard here: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > > > > > > > > > And this is a great community for sharing ideas. What are some > > concepts or > > > > strategies you've used to break out of your patterns? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:03:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EFA03BF69; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:03:47 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Gig Spam - in New England - UNDO, Sat 14 July, SKYBAR To: Message-id: <007b01c7c303$84855fc0$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> <8CBE98B8-CD14-4FE8-AE3E-8A80191865AC@baymoon.com> <005a01c7c300$c439ff20$5ca95548@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:03:06 +0000 (UTC) I'll be performing Saturday 14th July at SKYBAR in Somerville, MA. I think there are quite a few bands lined up for the night, so I've asked to go on first - so, sometime around 8pm or so. Bring your awareness however you will. David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:05:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C82FB3BF66; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:05:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:05:37 +0000 (UTC) All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in either a floor or rackmount version and they've always been a bit out of my grasp economically. I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 but they both are very noisy and don't have intelligent harmonies in them. I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's scales are very perfunctory and I would like to be able to do things like use Balkan harmonies or even shifting harmonies so it's just not sophisticated enough for the things I want to do. I've finally decided to throw caution to the wind and try to find a more sophisticated unit for my live looping performances The Eventides are just out of my price range even in used condition ...............for what that's worth. .................but I have been looking specifically, at Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy Eventide Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal Processor Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer ****************************************************************************************************************************** Does anyone have any advice for me or are there units to avoid (for reasons of noise or lack of sophistication)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:09:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19D53BF66; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BgFIY5D4eQs2KOtr7S/MWgHsMa5NpIT5jVe3zpo2ksPFug0WnH67mlUV3lwkUkPzeY8i102VXBylbey5vzD69qUflJ43SCXVrwP6wUeAqqOZMLMXhzi4fxeXd0rwfrxxkShWWoSdpitCtWQLxWmBYNAD4/0bvVnkAq46D+FtxdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Nz0q5XB7iVIQ9S06PTcrD5AgGHzCLbsxqHhWfQm+ZZi7rnwaWyfaNHI6wHPwvitJXO4UIyi9gIUisQL1BWPZGQwpHxO47TA/MqsuzxxU4JhbHxPYdAPgXd/oyIL2lOb7seBP+7/lC4pbHWbbjVeXHqCx0zCw76nVnltGuWoJujE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:09:10 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? In-Reply-To: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4219_18693876.1184123350533" References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:09:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4219_18693876.1184123350533 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Rocktron Intellifex actually does a pretty credible job, IIRC. Do check with someone who actually has one around to verify that. On 7/10/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in either a floor > or rackmount version and they've always been a bit out of my grasp > economically. > > I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 but they both > are very noisy and don't have intelligent harmonies in them. > > I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's scales are very perfunctory > and > I > would like to be able to do things like use Balkan harmonies or even > shifting harmonies so it's just not sophisticated enough for the things I > want to do. > > I've finally decided to throw caution to the wind and try to find a more > sophisticated unit > for my live looping performances > > The Eventides are just out of my price range even in used condition > ...............for what that's worth. > > > .................but I have been looking specifically, at > > > > Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy Eventide > > Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer > > Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal Processor > > Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer > > ****************************************************************************************************************************** > > Does anyone have any advice for me or are there units to avoid (for > reasons > of noise or lack of sophistication)? > > ------=_Part_4219_18693876.1184123350533 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Rocktron Intellifex actually does a pretty credible job, IIRC. Do check with someone who actually has one around to verify that.



On 7/10/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in either a floor
or rackmount version and they've always been a bit out of my grasp
economically.

I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 but they both
are very noisy and don't have intelligent harmonies in them.

I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's scales are very perfunctory and
I
would like to be able to do things like use Balkan harmonies or even
shifting harmonies so it's just not sophisticated enough for the things I
want to do.

I've finally decided to throw caution to the wind and try to find a more
sophisticated unit
for my live looping performances

The Eventides are just out of my price range even in used condition
...............for what that's worth.


.................but I have been looking specifically, at



Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy Eventide

Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer

Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal Processor

Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer
******************************************************************************************************************************

Does anyone have any advice for me or are there units to avoid (for reasons
of noise or lack of sophistication)?


------=_Part_4219_18693876.1184123350533-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:21:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09A2F3BF64; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:22:20 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? To: Message-id: <008d01c7c306$1c2734a0$5ca95548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Try these: http://www.guitar.com.au/effects/t.c.electronics/Quintet.htm http://www.bizrate.com/musicalinstrumenteffectsprocessors/products__keyword--digitech+vocal+harmonizer.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? > All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in either a floor > or rackmount version and they've always been a bit out of my grasp > economically. > > I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 but they both > are very noisy and don't have intelligent harmonies in them. > > I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's scales are very perfunctory and > I > would like to be able to do things like use Balkan harmonies or even > shifting harmonies so it's just not sophisticated enough for the things I > want to do. > > I've finally decided to throw caution to the wind and try to find a more > sophisticated unit > for my live looping performances > > The Eventides are just out of my price range even in used condition > ...............for what that's worth. > > > .................but I have been looking specifically, at > > > > Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy Eventide > > Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer > > Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal Processor > > Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer > **************************************************************************** ************************************************** > > Does anyone have any advice for me or are there units to avoid (for reasons > of noise or lack of sophistication)? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 03:46:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B7BD3BF5A; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MwRNod2N2SZZqwDGLz9FbKC4uYlU2OdOwe3Jedg/LRUAxEvMomTJywIPg8Ums8zdh8cp4mKlMf5qeAlR5IaGxy/XckTuRWbBP/gyoYbLS51R9gEc5fYYGOCaYEtI4JKMALL7yNrckvtACs9MuJQ5zkYCirjhVQ0EBgQS1rxyseI=; X-YMail-OSG: 29iIi_QVM1mBfvpSDRWq5r5gLyHzmAO3cTXJgsBHIyTPRtXCoWURYEVT_1haMJFtrDvIwotqSrUdaP8iRb9Fgp0ce.08Js4l2uC3C50gyZBq_gmD.qlKQlm3kdwyVg-- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <495339.68579.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:46:54 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick ive heard good things about the TC voice live although ive never tried it myself,anybody? cheers Luis --- RICK WALKER wrote: > All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in > either a floor > or rackmount version and they've always been a bit > out of my grasp > economically. > > I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech > Vocal 300 but they both > are very noisy and don't have intelligent harmonies > in them. > > I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's scales > are very perfunctory and > I > would like to be able to do things like use Balkan > harmonies or even > shifting harmonies so it's just not sophisticated > enough for the things I > want to do. > > I've finally decided to throw caution to the wind > and try to find a more > sophisticated unit > for my live looping performances > > The Eventides are just out of my price range even in > used condition > ...............for what that's worth. > > > .................but I have been looking > specifically, at > > > > Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy > Eventide > > Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer > > Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal > Processor > > Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer > ****************************************************************************************************************************** > > Does anyone have any advice for me or are there > units to avoid (for reasons > of noise or lack of sophistication)? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 04:17:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C8D33BF5D; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47AA0E77-7A7B-4D2A-8C23-DACB371EF5A5@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:19:26 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:17:43 +0000 (UTC) I've no idea what your budget is, but I think this is one of the best units around based on what i've read/heard: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VoiceWorkPls/ It's not cheap by any means, but it's not in Eventide territory either. If you are interested, Full Compass has a better price than Sweetwater. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 05:56:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50403BF64; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:55:55 +0100 From: Bart Lyons Subject: Re: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? In-reply-to: <008d01c7c306$1c2734a0$5ca95548@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711064740.040c5e30@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_v0uNG3PHG84keiWhcfGgMw)" References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <008d01c7c306$1c2734a0$5ca95548@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:56:04 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_v0uNG3PHG84keiWhcfGgMw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The TC Electronics Quintet is not bad and you can find them on eBay for a good price $350. However unlike the Digitech you will need midi say from a keyboard or midi guitar which is what I used to track the chord/key changes. To be honest unless you pay mega bucks they all sound a bit cheesy. Far better looping your vocal harmony as it's all natural. At 16:22 10/07/2007, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >Try these: > >http://www.guitar.com.au/effects/t.c.electronics/Quintet.htm >http://www.bizrate.com/musicalinstrumenteffectsprocessors/products__keyword--digitech+vocal+harmonizer.html > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "RICK WALKER" >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:05 PM >Subject: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? > > > > All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in either a floor > > or rackmount version and they've always been a bit out of my grasp > > economically. > > > > I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 but they both > > are very noisy and don't have intelligent harmonies in them. > > > > I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's scales are very perfunctory >and > > I > > would like to be able to do things like use Balkan harmonies or even > > shifting harmonies so it's just not sophisticated enough for the things I > > want to do. > > > > I've finally decided to throw caution to the wind and try to find a more > > sophisticated unit > > for my live looping performances > > > > The Eventides are just out of my price range even in used condition > > ...............for what that's worth. > > > > > > .................but I have been looking specifically, at > > > > > > > > Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy Eventide > > > > Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer > > > > Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal Processor > > > > Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer > > >**************************************************************************** >************************************************** > > > > Does anyone have any advice for me or are there units to avoid (for >reasons > > of noise or lack of sophistication)? > > --Boundary_(ID_v0uNG3PHG84keiWhcfGgMw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The TC Electronics Quintet is not bad and you can find them on eBay for a good price $350. However unlike the Digitech you will need midi say from a keyboard or midi guitar which is what I used to track the chord/key changes. To be honest unless you pay mega bucks they all sound a bit cheesy. Far better looping your vocal harmony as it's all natural.

At 16:22 10/07/2007, David Kirkdorffer wrote:
Try these:

http://www.guitar.com.au/effects/t.c.electronics/Quintet.htm
http://www.bizrate.com/musicalinstrumenteffectsprocessors/products__keyword--digitech+vocal+harmonizer.html



----- Original Message -----
From: "RICK WALKER" <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:05 PM
Subject: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations?


> All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in either a floor
> or rackmount version and they've always been a bit out of my grasp
> economically.
>
> I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech Vocal 300 but they both
> are very noisy and don't have intelligent harmonies in them.
>
> I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's scales are very perfunctory
and
> I
> would like to be able to do things like use Balkan harmonies or even
> shifting harmonies so it's just not sophisticated enough for the things I
> want to do.
>
> I've finally decided to throw caution to the wind and try to find a more
> sophisticated unit
> for my live looping performances
>
> The Eventides are just out of my price range even in used condition
> ...............for what that's worth.
>
>
> .................but I have been looking specifically, at
>
>
>
> Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy Eventide
>
> Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer
>
> Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal Processor
>
> Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer
>
****************************************************************************
**************************************************
>
> Does anyone have any advice for me or are there units to avoid (for
reasons
> of noise or lack of sophistication)?
>
--Boundary_(ID_v0uNG3PHG84keiWhcfGgMw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 06:04:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0FF83BF5D; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005a01c7c300$c439ff20$5ca95548@hppav> References: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> <8CBE98B8-CD14-4FE8-AE3E-8A80191865AC@baymoon.com> <005a01c7c300$c439ff20$5ca95548@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4FA75A8C-FEA8-46BE-A0A7-FBE894A22462@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Personal looping archaeology - Roland GR 500 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:04:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 06:04:26 +0000 (UTC) On 10 Jul 2007, at 7:44 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > I loved the GR 500! That was an awesome device. More here: > http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html Digging through old tapes, I'm finding lots of stuff using it. It did make some rather useful sounds. It was also my primary guitar for a while though the instrument I had had been modified by a previous owner to feed the guitar signal out independent of the synth hardware. That probably made it more useful, but the wiring job seemed to be less reliable. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 07:30:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 667793BF4C; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017b01c7c38d$4f0f5b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:30:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,FAKE_REPLY_C, STOX_REPLY_TYPE,TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Report: * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP * 0.0 STOX_REPLY_TYPE STOX_REPLY_TYPE * 0.3 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE * 2.2 FAKE_REPLY_C FAKE_REPLY_C X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <6NMs2C.A.Vp.AcIlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Bart wrote: "The TC Electronics Quintet is not bad and you can find them on eBay for a good price $350. However unlike the Digitech you will need midi say from a keyboard or midi guitar which is what I used to track the chord/key changes. To be honest unless you pay mega bucks they all sound a bit cheesy. Far better looping your vocal harmony as it's all natural." Thanks for the recommendation Bart, but I'm actually LOOKING for synthetic, not natural . I just want something that can customizeably track me with one or two voices as I sing. I also want something that will drone a 2nd as I sing against it (or any interval) ala Balkan choral singing. Will anything do that? I also want to freak it out and play other instruments into that it has a hard time tracking. I know, I know.................I'm strange, but what else is new? I want to create strange and moveable harmonies and I want it to be instantaneous. You can loop vocals on yourself, but they remain static and I want something that can let me really freely improvise with an effect that is really quick. I"m finding it's great to loop somethings but it's really great NOT to loop somethings on top of it for it all to sound somewhat 'real' if you know what I mean. Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except for rather synthetic sounding harmonization? I'm just enthralled with it. Please forgive me but I forget the title of the track and it's out in my car as I type. Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 08:03:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F35663BF55; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:03:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:03:50 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re:RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=__=_XaM3_.1184141030.2A.367707.42.21025.52.42.007.1297335052" From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: <0HuYDC.A.a5B.o7IlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:03:52 +0000 (UTC) --_=__=_XaM3_.1184141030.2A.367707.42.21025.52.42.007.1297335052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boss has done a tremendous disservice to its product by providing an unb= eleivibly lame manual that doesn't come cose to explaining the features o= f this machine. Check out these 6 RC-50 support documents from Roland US http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?dsection=3Dd_support= &ObjectId=3D772 Sjaak =0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ --_=__=_XaM3_.1184141030.2A.367707.42.21025.52.42.007.1297335052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
Boss has done a tremendous disservice to its product by providing an= unbeleivibly lame manual that doesn't come cose to explaining the featur= es of this machine.

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--_=__=_XaM3_.1184141030.2A.367707.42.21025.52.42.007.1297335052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 08:13:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B71F73BF4B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006601c7c393$5ba8dab0$17b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <017b01c7c38d$4f0f5b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:13:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+49Q5jQpX+kNFwrQLr3RsfBRLjzPhuxPZNhnr dV8aXpXqlWBZXu+7kX2EvTZGRgRXWHfvGdYE3udUuuI14TYjQA naVwpQ4uHySBn+HH+TErwg+wYK25ZWD Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:13:39 +0000 (UTC) voice live is a good machine for use on stage. you can compose your own chords for every chromatic note. it tracks pitches up to d2. it is obviously made for singers. i can use it only with the lower range of my instrument, the flute. there is an editing program out there (but i haven't used it for much more han saving my presets). it's got a phantom powered xlr input! tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? > Bart wrote: > "The TC Electronics Quintet is not bad and you can find them on eBay for a > good price $350. However unlike the Digitech you will need midi say from a > keyboard or midi guitar which is what I used to track the chord/key > changes. To be honest unless you pay mega bucks they all sound a bit > cheesy. Far better looping your vocal harmony as it's all natural." > > > Thanks for the recommendation Bart, but I'm actually LOOKING for > synthetic, not natural . > I just want something that can customizeably track me with one or two > voices as I sing. > I also want something that will drone a 2nd as I sing against it (or any > interval) ala > Balkan choral singing. Will anything do that? > > I also want to freak it out and play other instruments into that it has a > hard time tracking. > I know, I know.................I'm strange, but what else is new? > > I want to create strange and moveable harmonies and I want it to be > instantaneous. > You can loop vocals on yourself, but they remain static and I want > something that can > let me really freely improvise with an effect that is really quick. > > I"m finding it's great to loop somethings but it's really great NOT to > loop somethings on top of > it for it all to sound somewhat 'real' if you know what I mean. > > Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except for > rather synthetic sounding > harmonization? I'm just enthralled with it. Please forgive me but I > forget the title of the track > and it's out in my car as I type. > > Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations! > > yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 09:02:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87F073BF4B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Lm0zll6Bl0ePLfrF5nU+XsrryLXTQUTSCy7Xnbj4tjcGPzxKJbzK+BcmqQqcsWpLK6iwGcX0NfdC4JJtZxD+LqYSn6tHlXcX1a2CusczCrzASf6nacJu3Df9LS2LlC7l3H5v93IGiuWsJWMPYyuPc7bYJiW4AT1PoO7xhoISN7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LiGB3ZnErrKWaXgfcVo2LFbRLZMRD1AU0hnpPfpzYT/9RgZzkwjWOBepKl+MjqRfvnlqG5cm2LaysulPd8EXUwiRaV9YF2HtsaMFCnIFtLgDrZ4kdXeXADYCayYMW0FKiICRwDvk+6jOUmm1LV9vVHn+kWa9lKfNKiFbSXiaHjs= In-Reply-To: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:02:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:02:50 +0000 (UTC) On 11 jul 2007, at 05.05, RICK WALKER wrote: > Does anyone have any advice for me or are there units to avoid (for > reasons of noise or lack of sophistication)? I was looking for a similar device, for similar reasons, a couple of years ago, and I remember finding the best information at Harmony Central's User Reviews. Actually I found a tip for a viable unit but today I can't remember which one it was. You see, before I could buy it I changed my concept about real-time harmonization and decided to go for only two added notes to leave place for the third note of the triad to be played by me as the live input signal. This way I can move freely between major and minor and improvise more fluently. This is why I settled for the FireworX instead of the Eclipse and today I have even sold the FireworX and set up almost those "add-two-notes" patches with VST plug-ins. (I'm also doing live harmonization on the MIDI side when playing the EWI, but that's OT here) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 09:28:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEA113BF64; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:28:55 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200707110928.l6B9StpE010026@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sek.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Dear Rick, you said: > All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer in either a floor > or rackmount version and they've always been a bit out of my grasp > economically. Then later on, you said: >Thanks for the recommendation Bart, but I'm actually LOOKING for synthetic= ,=20 >not natural . So I'm a bit confused what you're looking for. For something which has a ve= ry unique, synthetic sound and offers intelligent pitch shift (although I b= elieve only two-voice), you might try to find a Sony GR-MP5 or the keyboard= version...an early-nineties halfrack device which is somewhat noisy but of= fers really crazy multi-effects setups and a very quick intelligent pitch s= hifter which sounds wonderfully cheesy on vocals. Cheap pitch shifting (although no scales, just fixed intervals): Behringer = Virtualizer DSP2048Pro Something really synthetic: Resurrect your Zoom1201. Put it into vocoder mo= de. Send your vocal signal in the analyze input and your vocal signal throu= gh the whammy in the carrier input. Perhaps even put a delay in between the= whammy and the 1201 for some multi-voice harmonies. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 09:30:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B595C3BF59; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:30:51 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200707110930.l6B9Up8I026112@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? - VST solutions? X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:30:53 +0000 (UTC) > is why I settled for the FireworX instead of the Eclipse and today I =20 > have even sold the FireworX and set up almost those "add-two-notes" =20 > patches with VST plug-ins. (I'm also doing live harmonization on the =20 Which plugins do you use here? I've yet to find a pitch-shifter plugin whic= h is a) less synthetic than MadShifta, b) faster/better tracking than the W= aves stuff and c) less CPU-hungry than everything I know except for MadShif= ta... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 10:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD653BF59; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZO/8zNZyvxgosIt0TRcYoS0qkucnY6rIec6CuzkdkoM2T54Vk20VkCSeT7hm7A8616zs59odF2XhlQz7h6aWXifoYdXBca9YytDgX7/rJ2Rkyay48ku0yL8389DqGC7Z9suf8zWg5GWGZQslsKyAGN4ag/uXglAeeszcGTB6yFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Edg6VEfJ1XsDHHmULJZEFekPLL3IjAB3gt7Izdng8kYlrHi2PPCwrCS9dQXESTv2CpRb4oYbrFBkO10aSRWtHE9qmNeH144ONMVlecXTPbZC0g0obSvC7Hw3vsOcYtuGK9PhQ6t/nPSAUwpKQlcu6WwQ/53jaBnTwPD28chYFHc= In-Reply-To: <200707110930.l6B9Up8I026112@post.webmailer.de> References: <200707110930.l6B9Up8I026112@post.webmailer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <057EA8E5-EC5B-47BB-BC87-0D7AFAF8061A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? - VST solutions? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:18:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7OU3lB.A.mkH.O6KlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:18:54 +0000 (UTC) >> is why I settled for the FireworX instead of the Eclipse and today I >> have even sold the FireworX and set up almost those "add-two-notes" >> patches with VST plug-ins. (I'm also doing live harmonization on the > On 11 jul 2007, at 11.30, rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > Which plugins do you use here? I've yet to find a pitch-shifter > plugin which is a) less synthetic than MadShifta, b) faster/better > tracking than the Waves stuff and c) less CPU-hungry than > everything I know except for MadShifta... > > Rainer Hi Rainer, In the VST format for WinXP there are also Pitch-Shifter and Shifter Bank from Braindoc and Discord 2.0 from Audio Damage Inc. Discord is the one I use the most; it has also two delays a kind of built-in routing that spares you a lot of cable routing in Bidule, Max etc. The Braindoc stuff is good but a little to CPU intensive for my 2GHz one CPU lappy. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 11:16:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B26563BF4B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=e8GXcLhYkwNZazpUlMy+JKfTcyvaHSUCOxGd+ErY9UUAHLFDm4rj9mlp49HZ4faTpu5nX8hhb9E5Umiwdxx6nKwMI/34HxOPyCsVzJacTn+8YV5D+M/8+zm53QJim7nGpcUqirZ+s108OSzG1LDfyc1j5rq0zunjiZZlzuCJCcI=; X-YMail-OSG: j3h_mGQVM1kUn8MyQuHHo0_6RxiusBwOnnFe1vALdsndF1xprPXT8QCtDzU4ff4nayiEYVTQ1la_PVPZXVjp5tH.nEK44Al92SZPjCPbqEzVuT1V8g-- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: gig spam: Dover, NH To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <785EDC86-88F5-4ADD-A531-B3F66A5AAA34@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <710431.23721.qm@web43146.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Any loopers finding themselves an hour north of Boston on any Thursday evening this summer might be interested in this concert series. (Probably two-thirds of the artists are loopers...) Twilight Outdoor Music Series, 4 Franklin Plaza, Upper Courtyard on Central Avenue, Dover, N.H. $5 suggested voluntary donation. (All shows 7-9 PM except the last one which is 6-9:30) 7/12: Winterstar and Mosfet 7/19: Sean's Social Paradise and the Great Invisibles 7/26: Roman(us) w/Nick Phaneuf 8/2: Thom Keith and Mike Walsh, Chelsey Fitzgerald 8/9: Pine Tree State Mind Control and Pollution 8/16: Hearts of Darkness and Horchata 8/23: Guy Capecelatro III and Tim Nelson 8/30: Beat Pervert, Tam Vampires and Tiny Whales If any of you can make it to my set on August 23rd, be sure to introduce yourself! I'm not sure if I'm on first or second... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 11:28:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89CAE3BF58; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) References: <469417A8.5050901@netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Bernhard Wagner LD Subject: Vocal Looper Mal Webb Gigs Austria and Germany Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:28:01 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:28:05 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mal Webb > Date: 11. Juli 2007 01:35:04 GMT+02:00 > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: Re: turn of Mal... with a little more info > > Hi everyone, here's my gigs in Austria and Germany with the final =20 > details filled in. I hope you can come along... yay! > Delightedly thine, Mal > > Wednesday July 11, 9:30pm, Mal Webb solo (25 minutes performance) =20 > at Theatre Am Spittelberg, 1070 Vienna, Spittelberggasse 10. =20 > Vienna, Austria. Euro 15 (includes the TRIS clown theatre at 7:30 =20 > pm) www.theateramspittelberg.at > > July 12-13 Mal Webb runs a workshop, "Deine Stimme ist die Band" =20 > only for people between 16 and 25 years. Vienna, 8, Albertgasse 35/=20 > II. Euro 28 subscription: www.soundbase.at. Vienna, Austria > > Saturday July 14, 8pm, Mal Webb and Carl Pannuzzo (of Totally =20 > Gourdgeous) each solo and together at Vorstadt Gasthaus, Vienna, =20 > 16, Herbststrasse 37. Euro 13 / Euro 9 (students) Vienna, Austria =20 > www.vorstadt.at > > Sunday July 15, 17:00 Uhr, Sommerpicknick im KabirRiNett. =20 > KABIriNETT, Kleinh=F6chberger Weg 1 71522 Gro=DFh=F6chberg Deutschland = =20 > http://www.kabirinett.de . Tags=FCber auf der Wiese herrliches =20 > Picknick, The Beez und den tollen Mal Webb aus Australien genie=DFen! > > Friday July 20, 20:00 Uhr, Commusication beim Sommerpalascht (mit =20 > The Beez, Mal Webb und mehr!) Stadtgarten, Murrhardt, Deutschland =20 > http://www.sommerpalast.de > > July 22-29, Mal Webb teaches and performs at Vokalsummerakademie, =20 > Austria. For details/bookings, go to: www.vokalsommerakademie.at > > Saturday July 28, 20:00, Mal Webb (playing bass and vocals) and =20 > Carl Pannuzzo join with Wien acapella lovelies Trui for Triu and =20 > Friends, part 2 (as they did part 1 last year), Heuriger Sandhofer, =20= > Am Kellerplatz, 7083 Purbach, Austria, ticket: 12=80 regular, 8=80 =20 > students. Reservations on +43 699 12366237 or +43 699 1500 7550. > > http://www.malwebb.com > http://www.myspace.com/malwebb1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 12:47:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0A9F3BF53; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <071120070246.23401.4694449E0005118900005B692216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <071120070246.23401.4694449E0005118900005B692216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0168FF5C-9221-42DB-9D86-DDD75518B1AE@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:47:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: <4bVvF.A.ajG.1FNlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:47:49 +0000 (UTC) what percussion exactly are you talking about if not the guide? something you prerecord? could you explain in more detail? Teddy On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:46 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Well, I just spent the last 3 hours getting know my RC 50 in a way > I never thought possible. No, I wasn't sticking my 1/4'' into the > main in. I discovered the true nature of tempo sync. A bell or > whistle I thought ( in much aggreement with breachthepeace@aohell) > as a useless feature, but with the the right settings, I can play a > part then have a percussion part chime in in perfect sync. The > percussion will play in perfect sync regardless of the rhythm I > play. Friggin brilliant. This does away with the need for guide > tracks when playing with other musicians. Yeah, I know mobius > rocks, but this $500 box continues to amaze. Boss has done a > tremendous disservice to its product by providing an unbeleivibly > lame manual that doesn't come cose to explaining the features of > this machine. > > > MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 13:15:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E91C3BF56; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DWa4XSzkvQEDKIcgYoqEma3PW/LjnSBcaTAGNM2ajUR0xyOFi3Fd+28G+EBzfY8wTkUEjDWIysEGYJH0RSTQQIu7S8e1Cbb4/9cU5Arf+FVS9sEi6gPXiMAfgwgw6ccgG/FIVac6kU1h5NkAHpbvQeOnRb3ZvAI8zG6vTWtKKOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p1Q2fXkYuGjVLJzwEKTdGjmA6T1t+Jip+Oj84OApf8U9SytWtPUoVoBMvYq7fkYJEgAHGd9bdg129nKv8gAT+ebAPmQarY6APpRcm8xgDjqmz2VVrzQZKLKrV5ErMVclHuQexRu9O+CdkuVQ8maUgF7hl9o/+hIxV3wyZ0xaJz8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:15:11 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? In-Reply-To: <017b01c7c38d$4f0f5b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1401_21720702.1184159711963" References: <017b01c7c38d$4f0f5b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:15:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1401_21720702.1184159711963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for that track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI from a keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing her performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times sounding like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined to believe it's a vocoder. Cheers, Jon On 7/11/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > > Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except for > rather synthetic sounding > harmonization? I'm just enthralled with it. Please forgive me but I > forget the title of the track > and it's out in my car as I type. > > Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations! > > yours, Rick > > ------=_Part_1401_21720702.1184159711963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for that track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI from a keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing her performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times sounding like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined to believe it's a vocoder.

Cheers,

Jon

On 7/11/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except for
rather synthetic sounding
harmonization?    I'm just enthralled with it.  Please forgive me but I
forget the title of the track
and it's out in my car as I type.

Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations!

yours,  Rick


------=_Part_1401_21720702.1184159711963-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 14:03:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65BF33BF3F; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 621306553 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA & the iphone Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:03:30 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72042A5C47@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <636538.4100.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA & the iphone Thread-Index: AcfDxEK2eH0UaAOSRzqslgNLVXXAQw== References: <636538.4100.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2007 14:03:30.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[42D77010:01C7C3C4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:03:33 +0000 (UTC) here is an iphone getting slightly rough "tear-down" treatment. you can see all the magic smoke being let out, & there's a lot of it. http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=3Dunsafe&video=3Diphone & as for the fripp&eno "session", the final word: my mate has reversed the recording so it's back how it otter be, & it's identical to the album version. herewith his slightly informal presentation of the facts: >>Fripp and Eno update: having reversed the bugger out of curiosity, it is actually the same as the albumen ! Andy G's rec is more complete and has some good Peel chat about "opinion being divided in the studio" (for some reason Eric Idle had popped in that day, the week before Xmas, maybe the Radio 1 party or summat) but that "he had liked it and thought there was an element of the `Tangerine' about it". I'll get it done f'yuz's anyway as it's still funny. There's some bullshit theory on t'net that to play it backwards was a deliberate joke between Peel and Eno, but that's obviously just twatty speculation.<< so there. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 14:23:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84A713BF5D; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:23:30 +0000 Message-Id: <071120071423.20245.4694E7E2000958AE00004F152216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20245_1184163810_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:23:33 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20245_1184163810_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Teddy > what percussion exactly are you talking about if not the guide? > something you prerecord? > could you explain in more detail? > > Teddy > > > On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:46 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > Well, I just spent the last 3 hours getting know my RC 50 in a way > > I never thought possible. No, I wasn't sticking my 1/4'' into the > > main in. I discovered the true nature of tempo sync. A bell or > > whistle I thought ( in much aggreement with breachthepeace@aohell) > > as a useless feature, but with the the right settings, I can play a > > part then have a percussion part chime in in perfect sync. The > > percussion will play in perfect sync regardless of the rhythm I > > play. Friggin brilliant. This does away with the need for guide > > tracks when playing with other musicians. Yeah, I know mobius > > rocks, but this $500 box continues to amaze. Boss has done a > > tremendous disservice to its product by providing an unbeleivibly > > lame manual that doesn't come cose to explaining the features of > > this machine. > > > > > > MFC > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20245_1184163810_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com>

> what percussion exactly are you talking about if not the guide?
> something you prerecord?
> could you explain in more detail?
>
> Teddy
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:46 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Well, I just spent the last 3 hours getting know my RC 50 in a way
> > I never thought possible. No, I wasn't sticking my 1/4'' into the
> > main in. I discovered the true nature of tempo sync. A bell or
> > whistle I thought ( in much aggreement with breachthepeace@aohell)
> > as a useless feature, but with the the right settings, I can play a
> > part then have a percussion part chime in in perfect sync. The
> > percussion will play in perfect sync regardle ss of the rhythm I
> > play. Friggin brilliant. This does away with the need for guide
> > tracks when playing with other musicians. Yeah, I know mobius
> > rocks, but this $500 box continues to amaze. Boss has done a
> > tremendous disservice to its product by providing an unbeleivibly
> > lame manual that doesn't come cose to explaining the features of
> > this machine.
> >
> >
> > MFC
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_20245_1184163810_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 14:26:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F300F3BF52; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:26:46 +0000 Message-Id: <071120071426.2921.4694E8A6000761BC00000B692216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2921_1184164006_0" Resent-Message-ID: <8-2MQC.A.QlD.niOlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:26:47 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2921_1184164006_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The new Digitech Vocalist 2 (or 4) looks cool because you don't have to program keys or chords. It listens to your guitar or whatever and figures out the harmony to use. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jon Southwood" That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for that track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI from a keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing her performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times sounding like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined to believe it's a vocoder. Cheers, Jon On 7/11/07, RICK WALKER wrote: Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except for rather synthetic sounding harmonization? I'm just enthralled with it. Please forgive me but I forget the title of the track and it's out in my car as I type. Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations! yours, Rick --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2921_1184164006_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The new Digitech Vocalist 2 (or 4) looks cool because you don't have to program keys or chords. It listens to your guitar or whatever and figures out the harmony to use.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jon Southwood" <jsouthwood@gmail.com>
That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for that track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI from a keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing her performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times sounding like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined to believe it's a vocoder.

Cheers,

Jon

On 7/11/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except for
rather synthetic sounding
harmonization?    I'm just enthralled with it.  Please forgive me but I
forget the title of the track
and it's out in my car as I type.

Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations!

yours,  Rick


--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2921_1184164006_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 14:28:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B653BF5B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:28:40 EDT Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1184164120" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:28:55 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1184164120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on. This sounds very cool. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------1184164120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>An=20 Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC5= 0. I=20 was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was=20 on.
This sounds very cool.




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-------------------------------1184164120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 14:32:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962DE3BF69; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=C2F56d3gWsVvSIHGCALSgXVMbqVMWA3LVVCCplM6AkCN1VujtEQBHSJqiE2OqHMbzYpetpmcWSKKk4zZDqUdWkLP5MBmiGc2pex1175efvvJJrDxG6danaSkFDIU8EE8A0bnHb54P02KG9RsGhwgoeEfGqZVoKr/uJL25ARpkxY=; X-YMail-OSG: jEAdZV8VM1kFf1I9iSXCRK7exLeMU3CZI5MOPh0iuQyWbZj9vV.E.uoynlOidUPv4NiGrXzxjQ.zvS_y38PPhyxVnP8wvKvH7f0R43Y1qaXFQn8kW_gKl0BQA0HVifR6vGUULHTZCBoxGPgnAOAEg9tgRQ-- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1459941974-1184164322=:50065" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <662698.50065.qm@web51506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:32:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1459941974-1184164322=:50065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit instead of relying on the internal guide track, and not having a computer at home to import files, I use the wonderfully affordable Alesis SR-16 drum machine. Syncs right up. my 2 cents BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on. This sounds very cool. --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-1459941974-1184164322=:50065 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
instead of relying on the internal guide track, and not having a computer at home to import files, I use the wonderfully affordable Alesis SR-16 drum machine.  Syncs right up.
 
my 2 cents

BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on.
This sounds very cool.




See what's free at AOL.com.


Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --0-1459941974-1184164322=:50065-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:08:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7BCD3BF40; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:08:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=onMP5hArMHYvr40x2brtCkO0G/nSlWmEDEeOiI542ARmjcJUXdVYaFSEaLOH0l0VcJEwStGsOtNzSP4QD3y4FxEDD83DnVINFod25OMA0SBhHDmKFbJNw0Q/gbUknONVqRrft6nS7Jf5CxnMtAbjVY9Eb2giLPU6zL57IzjNavk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LM2/kjJCs+3v9QiOnnUGUQwd7nxm8idWrAHyWzoje6wTMxVEuI9DQ6TQKXgkDZ9NJSQVOrnhDl3Y/yWN+fXO2PikyS6Rb7RPPdT6EP4mero1gN8MmPF8NqaNmF8Zwo0ry3MZ6D7PJ+bdQxOnxHZ9qBytglqAiZgrdDfylUZoqCU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:08:13 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <017b01c7c38d$4f0f5b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:08:15 +0000 (UTC) > That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for that > track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI from a keyboard to > determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing her performing > it live. I just checked one of those vids - she's using a keyboard to control the harmony. I get a similar effect with the Roland Vocal Designer card for the V-Synth or VariOS... Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:34:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 370FD3BF55; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:34:43 +0000 Message-Id: <071120071534.21972.4694F89300061422000055D42216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21972_1184168083_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:34:45 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21972_1184168083_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So the RC 50 slaves to that OK? Ive tried to use Ableton Live as a master and have had mixed results. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marc Marshall instead of relying on the internal guide track, and not having a computer at home to import files, I use the wonderfully affordable Alesis SR-16 drum machine. Syncs right up. my 2 cents BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on. This sounds very cool. See what's free at AOL.com. Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21972_1184168083_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
So the RC 50 slaves to that OK? Ive tried to use Ableton Live as a master and have had mixed results.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marc Marshall <agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com>
instead of relying on the internal guide track, and not having a computer at home to import files, I use the wonderfully affordable Alesis SR-16 drum machine.  Syncs right up.
 
my 2 cents

BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on.
 
This sounds very cool.




See what's free at AOL.com.


Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21972_1184168083_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:34:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F23F3BF57; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3FF217@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Thread-Index: AcfDvYUMZXfGXvFzR7KSAFNHIlc0nwAExjcw References: <017b01c7c38d$4f0f5b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:34:58 +0000 (UTC) > That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder =20 Yes, I read in an interview somewhere that it's a vocoder. She didn't name the manufacturer but I think it was a hardware device. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:36:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55CD53BF53; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:36:54 +0000 Message-Id: <071120071536.1139.4694F9160008F1EE000004732216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1139_1184168214_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1139_1184168214_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This seems easy. http://youtube.com/watch?v=d4-SYz3_BCA -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jeff Larson" > > > That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder > > Yes, I read in an interview somewhere that it's a vocoder. She didn't > name the manufacturer but I think it was a hardware device. > > Jeff > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1139_1184168214_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
This seems easy.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jeff Larson" <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>

>
> > That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder
>
> Yes, I read in an interview somewhere that it's a vocoder. She didn't
> name the manufacturer but I think it was a hardware device.
>
> Jeff
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_1139_1184168214_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AB133BF4C; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XvtSiZDaFpfREk22YS5uVQ+c3FOpr0ws/62QErADKCyySgPHDrU+2weIis5UXopUiRFK8v9iJNP6T4q28WcwV51/JhHxNQIJ5ZxzQV6/SLnIpde1xPpbnkPDj4qaEQABAkLoF4l/Y0+5g3Xz6aDabfXQBV6SBGuY8mKSwM5pHqU= ; Message-ID: <20070711153909.4358.qmail@web51507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: zkhq9QUVM1n_3Za6K5lAZ6QEPLKhqnC_qNcaBQ30AThzoThlszyFpmuxgS0CohCWYy0rE9u43rcTxaRmAelBdVbJFlduhmCOxN4A.wH1crefCiItvT3YBWR_TAe5qQ-- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <071120071534.21972.4694F89300061422000055D42216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1570897898-1184168349=:4050" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:39:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1570897898-1184168349=:4050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yeah, it seems the general consensus is that the RC50 works better as the master. I have no problem with it that way. My Yamaha RM1-X also syncs up fine with it. The help desk at Roland recommends that you hoop it up only as a master with the (IMHO) cop out that the RC-50 is NOT a sequencer. It still is a great piece of gear for the money. midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: So the RC 50 slaves to that OK? Ive tried to use Ableton Live as a master and have had mixed results. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marc Marshall instead of relying on the internal guide track, and not having a computer at home to import files, I use the wonderfully affordable Alesis SR-16 drum machine. Syncs right up. my 2 cents BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on. This sounds very cool. --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. --0-1570897898-1184168349=:4050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yeah, it seems the general consensus is that the RC50 works better as the master.
I have no problem with it that way. My Yamaha RM1-X also syncs up fine with it.
The help desk at Roland recommends that you hoop it up only as a master with the (IMHO) cop out that the RC-50 is NOT a sequencer.    It still is a great piece of gear for the money.
 


midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
So the RC 50 slaves to that OK? Ive tried to use Ableton Live as a master and have had mixed results.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Marc Marshall <agentlesoul2004@yahoo.com>
instead of relying on the internal guide track, and not having a computer at home to import files, I use the wonderfully affordable Alesis SR-16 drum machine.  Syncs right up.
 
my 2 cents

BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/11/2007 10:23:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game was on.
 
This sounds very cool.




See what's free at AOL.com.


Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.


Building a website is a piece of cake.
Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. --0-1570897898-1184168349=:4050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:51:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 885F83BF5F; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:52:09 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3FF21E@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <071120071536.1139.4694F9160008F1EE000004732216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Thread-Index: AcfD0VEAHtgl+vtIQFer1gZQDYe+OQAAJvWw References: <071120071536.1139.4694F9160008F1EE000004732216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:51:21 +0000 (UTC) > This seems easy. > http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd4-SYz3_BCA =20 Yeah, I've had my eye on this one (Digitech Vocalist). They're still pretty new, I'm waiting for some reviews. My concern is that magic pitch tracking devices have historically been rather twitchy, especially with chords. This doesn't appear to use a hex pickup so I would imagine that you have to play very cleanly and simply,=20 like playing a guitar synth only more so. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 15:53:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0DB23BF65; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4694E0E4.1010203@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:53:40 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gig spam - cassette looping tonite References: <20070711142856.574DA3BF6C@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070711142856.574DA3BF6C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:53:50 +0000 (UTC) I'll be doing a set of improv cassette looping (four-track, Dictaphone, with acoustic guitar) tonight in Long Beach, CA. I'll be there from 8-10 and will also be doing instrumentals (flamenco/minimalist/folkish) and singing (acoustic indie rock) as well. It's at Koos Art Center, at 530 E Broadway, and there's a $5 cover. (I'm doing two more shows this week, though probably not looping, hence the apologetical parentheses. Friday I'm at Synergy Cafe in Culver City, 4437 Sepulveda Blvd, near Braddock, going on at 8:30 or so. Sunday I'm at the Javanican in San Diego, at 4338 Cass Street in Pacific Beach, starting at 8. Both shows are free.) Rick, I know the TC Electronics Voicelive which was mentioned before does have the ability to sustain a single note, though I'm not sure if one can then do other tracked harmonies while it's sustaining. I've heard nothing but good things about this machine and am hoping to get one at some point. On the cheap side, don't forget the Digitech IPS-33b, which is quite old-school (circa '91) but has a great sound and is surprisingly flexible and capable of a lot of wacked-out effects in addition to intelligent harmonies. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:00:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43033BF66; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707111600.l6BG0AxB086378@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Harmonizers Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:00:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01C7C399.E48E92B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfD1JC4gkpZiyKsS/a+A9C71rVYgw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_MID autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: <7xGw1C.A.NCB.N6PlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:00:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C7C399.E48E92B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Rick, the digitech IPS33b which I had once and I believe you had borrowed one from Michele Landeger years ago, would probably fit the bill if you can find one. It did diatonic, parallel, and custom harmonies, and though not as pristine sounding as Eventide stuff, it sounded great. Now admit to me and everyone else that your real intention is to play a looped version of Whipping Post. The next and most complete model was the DHP-55 with up to 5 harmonies I believe. I saw one on ebay this morning, http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs &sbrftog=1&catref=C6&from=R10&_trksid=m37&satitle=digitech+DHP&sacat=619%26c atref%3DC6&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&sabfmts=1&saobfm ts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1&fsoo=1 That will make you sound like the Allman brothers and Wishbone Ash jamming together. Booyah! Bill ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C7C399.E48E92B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey Rick, the digitech IPS33b which I had once and I = believe you had borrowed one from Michele Landeger years ago,  would = probably fit the bill if you can find one. It did diatonic, parallel, and custom = harmonies, and though not as pristine sounding as Eventide stuff, it sounded great. Now = admit to me and everyone else that your real intention is to play a looped = version of Whipping Post. The next and most complete model was the DHP-55 with up = to 5 harmonies I believe. I saw one on ebay this morning, http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=3Dbs&sbrftog=3D= 1&catref=3DC6&from=3DR10&_trksid=3Dm37&satitle=3Ddigitech= +DHP&sacat=3D619%26catref%3DC6&sargn=3D-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=3D= 200&fpos=3DZIP%2FPostal&sabfmts=3D1&saobfmts=3Dinsif&ftrt= =3D1&ftrv=3D1&saprclo=3D&saprchi=3D&fsop=3D1&fsoo=3D1=

 That will make you sound like the Allman = brothers and Wishbone Ash jamming together. Booyah!

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C7C399.E48E92B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:29:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3104C3BF18; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <071120071423.20245.4694E7E2000958AE00004F152216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <071120071423.20245.4694E7E2000958AE00004F152216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:28:08 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:29:17 +0000 (UTC) I still don't get how that does away with the need for a guide track when playing with other musicians. was the imported percussion your guide track? Teddy On Jul 11, 2007, at 10:23 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > An Imported wave file. I spent last night playing with Stylus RMX > and the RC50. I was having so much fun I forgot the allstar game > was on. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Teddy > > > what percussion exactly are you talking about if not the guide? > > something you prerecord? > > could you explain in more detail? > > > > Teddy > > > > > > On Jul 10, 2007, at 10:46 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > Well, I just spent the last 3 hours getting know my RC 50 in a way > > > I never thought possible. No, I wasn't sticking my 1/4'' into the > > > main in. I discovered the true nature of tempo sync. A bell or > > > whistle I thought ( in much aggreement with breachthepeace@aohell) > > > as a useless feature, but with the the right settings, I can > play a > > > part then have a percussion part chime in in perfect sync. The > > > percussion will play in perfect sync regardle ss of the rhythm I > > > play. Friggin brilliant. This does away with the need for guide > > > tracks when playing with other musicians. Yeah, I know mobius > > > rocks, but this $500 box continues to amaze. Boss has done a > > > tremendous disservice to its product by providing an unbeleivibly > > > lame manual that doesn't come cose to explaining the features of > > > this machine. > > > > > > > > > MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:33:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7912B3BF5C; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Harmonizers Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:34:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3FF23D@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <200707111600.l6BG0AxB086378@mail.cruzio.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Harmonizers Thread-Index: AcfD1JC4gkpZiyKsS/a+A9C71rVYgwABIGMw References: <200707111600.l6BG0AxB086378@mail.cruzio.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: , Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:33:57 +0000 (UTC) > Now admit to me and everyone else that your real > intention is to play a looped version of Whipping Post.=20 =20 I was hoping for Afternoon Delight. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 16:51:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CEB33BF6B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=i0SbYq4/OsqbmBJ4UhcXILwcZyAOjZ5jGje2SMXxELdScnY7CCCtR8dU8Xi+Nu2Y6AG5i3mSERfitZDXCcjmyAZdafuVpSqG6oPwX8LUi7kpzoAY6PuuCldwPSONF9+aQdtxZTcyfVvXtmU2ZL5c9TC+RJEcRkzNAgmqWy0SFHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LEMw8vaqWFehQHFAIa/iKuqKDFUwRfuXTleaO9PZFdXC7TaRWNganACOg89kS/z7E48sTv+W/RJz776D31yuyMqbzT5BWQgYdKy3e60VGXcTE4b/fxa2ipY5Z5/OHAcHV9WeiAXYdUoWS3Fr6iT9h3EtmwiIq/RlCiHUzKdR380= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> References: <20070703082355.dci622q48w4ko44o@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New looping work Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:51:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:51:54 +0000 (UTC) On 3 jul 2007, at 15.23, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > http://kevinkissinger.com/threeleggedrace.shtml > > The set was well-recieved and my efforts now are to create more > works that are done in real-time without pre-recorded elements. > "Three-Legged Race" is the "pure" Theremin tone with loops. My > upcoming work will incorporate additional techniques that includes > pitch-shifters, harmonizer, various filters, and longer delay times. > > Hope you enjoy this track. Thank you for listening. > > -- Kevin Hi Kevin, Enjoying it very much. Thanks posting! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:09:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AFE73BF6C; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:09:07 +0000 Message-Id: <071120071709.29696.46950EB300067873000074002212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <9B5zbD.A.WuE.16QlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:09:09 +0000 (UTC) >From the workshop found here: http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=772&ParentId=46 In this example patch, the RC-50’s in Multi mode, the guide and Loop Sync are off, and all phrases are set for looped playback. Phrases 1 and 2 are empty, but we’ve got a 4/4 drum loop imported into Phrase 3. Though we want to use the drum loop as a rhythmic backing, we don’t want it to start playing right away; we’d like to record an audio loop (a chord progression, for example) into Phrase 1 first, and then start Phrase 3 playing a little later. Of course, when Phrase 3’s drum loop starts, we want it to play in time with our looping Phrase 1. The key to making this happen is by using Tempo Sync. In our example patch, we’ve turned on the Tempo Sync switches for Phrases 1 and 3. This allows the recording of Phrase 1 to set the patch tempo, and also makes Phrase 3 play at the patch tempo. Follow along as we walk through how this works: With the RC-50 stopped, select Phrase 1 for recording by pressing its PHRASE SELECT pedal. Tap your foot in a steady rhythm at the desired tempo. When you’re ready to start recording, press the REC/PLAY/OVERDUB pedal once, in time with your foot taps. Phrase 1 begins recording. During recording, play with a steady 4/4 rhythm. This will ensure an accurate original tempo calculation. When you wish to close Phrase 1, press REC/PLAY/OVERDUB. The phrase starts looping, and the patch tempo is set to match this newly recorded phrase’s original tempo. To get an accurate original tempo, make sure you close the phrase exactly at the beginning of a measure.  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:45:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C0DF3BF6D; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c7c3e3$367358b0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <017b01c7c38d$4f0f5b40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:27:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C3D8.672579D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18TW26IDXSai9AlqvQCITbmtL9+lty/QRGAdBy F9epo7ahY9GVzFU+7fWKYXtam6hFg/B9yHZ11Yr5WtdYaicMeY GgaH5Y9hFBNjCJLiO1hkJjJ7/+iIz7R Resent-Message-ID: <2eeb6B.A._RG.scRlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:45:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C3D8.672579D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what was the name of that roland harmonizer guys like simon stockhausen = used, end of the 80ies/beginning of the 90ies? tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jon Southwood=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for that = track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI from a = keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing = her performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times = sounding like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined = to believe it's a vocoder.=20 Cheers, Jon On 7/11/07, RICK WALKER wrote: Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except = for rather synthetic sounding harmonization? I'm just enthralled with it. Please forgive me = but I forget the title of the track and it's out in my car as I type.=20 Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations! yours, Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C3D8.672579D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what was the name of that roland = harmonizer guys=20 like simon stockhausen used, end of the 80ies/beginning of the=20 90ies?
tilmann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jon=20 Southwood
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 = 3:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Vocal = Harmonizer=20 recommendations?

That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a = vocoder=20 for that track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI = from a=20 keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids = showing her=20 performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times = sounding=20 like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined to = believe it's=20 a vocoder.

Cheers,

Jon

On 7/11/07, RICK=20 WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> = wrote:

Has=20 any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except=20 for
rather synthetic=20 sounding
harmonization?    I'm just = enthralled with=20 it.  Please forgive me but I
forget the title of the=20 track
and it's out in my car as I type.

Thanks everyone = for all=20 the wonderful=20 = recommendations!

yours,  Rick

=
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C3D8.672579D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 17:59:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24F223BF69; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5LJ8cvTkKxrmPjS6ZN5sK3bRfVxZo7ZbeA== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:57:13 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070711.135713.3166.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J4b9d.2c34S.6fd3M" X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3161659657 X-MAIL-INFO:50110548f1090c258c X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.143|webmail03.dca.untd.com|webmail03.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:59:30 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J4b9d.2c34S.6fd3M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain If you can work with Jeff to create Mobius:Mac, I will be your best = friend forever! I mean, err... ummm... [lowering voice an octave] = ahem... I'll be very grateful to the two of you. Seriously, I haven't done any live looping at all since I got my = MacBook Pro earlier this year. It's a screaming machine (2.16 GHz = Core2 Duo, 3GB Ram!), and I can't imagine going back to a PC setup = after being spoiled to this (it just works!), but I can't commit to = any other looping software. Mobius is too good, too customizable to = let go. So I'm at an impass. If there's anything I can do to help move the = Mobius:Mac project along, just let me know. Though I'm a programmer, = I'm afraid I haven't done enough application development to be of any = good to you, but I'll gladly give plasma and donate the proceeds, = create websites, fundraise, or whatever. This would totally be worth = it! --Josh Hi all, = I am there with you Josh, I bought the Macbook with 2gig of ram and= love it. I've been using PCs since the 80's and know all their frustra= tions. I would love to test mobius on my mac! = Weg ----__JWM__J4b9d.2c34S.6fd3M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

If you can work with Jeff to create Mobius:Mac, I will be your = best 
friend forever!  I mean, err... ummm... [lowering vo= ice an octave] 
ahem...  I'll be very grateful to the two = of you.

Seriously, I haven't done any live looping at all since I= got my 
MacBook Pro earlier this year.  It's a screaming = machine (2.16 GHz 
Core2 Duo, 3GB Ram!), and I can't imagine go= ing back to a PC setup 
after being spoiled to this (it just wo= rks!), but I can't commit to 
any other looping software. = Mobius is too good, too customizable to 
let go.

So I'm= at an impass.  If there's anything I can do to help move the =
Mobius:Mac project along, just let me know.  Though I'm a prog= rammer, 
I'm afraid I haven't done enough application developme= nt to be of any 
good to you, but I'll gladly give plasma and d= onate the proceeds, 
create websites, fundraise, or whatever.&n= bsp; This would totally be worth 
it!

--Josh

Hi a= ll,

    I am there with you Josh,  I bought the Macbo= ok with 2gig of ram and love it.  I've been using PCs since the 80'= s and know all their frustrations.  I would love to test mobius on = my mac!

 

Weg

----__JWM__J4b9d.2c34S.6fd3M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:39:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 925303BF68; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=p/yL+hiWYL3/XxxwL3dYsIei/r125DGHUn1EuCNPMl6r7cSUpfaw96IqNdcxyJzwJND7v0NED5mg/9P6+4tkEIu2UnhYdBksAfdzuAZNJFroTrFJLusAcwWIXqMY/etjj2X/uwUA5eJODSJgP2t6Js4SJ8Kb/yNXYTNJVlrheKc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=gBTONLhL1QC5lbKM7dbvsBxSIvK+dmuceQKkmUmii8PdVboE/MXJ2U/vR8MmYP2+830eUlMOfQtyfzF5kHLRPCBaIpigTNLM0apn3JVYLgXAZJbolXhznToxrnM/OIsmDqCaogcXGPq9ApsMMAn7H0+dLd35m1b3xjcJsOr3Nqc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070711.135713.3166.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20070711.135713.3166.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0DCFA4A4-686B-4358-8AA4-6D5093A38103@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:39:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) On 11 jul 2007, at 17.57, Weg wrote: > Hi all, > > I am there with you Josh, I bought the Macbook with 2gig of > ram and love it. I've been using PCs since the 80's and know all > their frustrations. I would love to test mobius on my mac! > You can add Windows as an alternative OS on those new Macs. By restricting it for Mobius only there will hopefully not be much frustration ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:49:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4BB3BF70; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:49:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c7c3ec$3ef26680$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7C3B1.92938E80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfD40B4iKngNPf+TDqr1vSx/yGN1AACB8sg Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c7c3e3$367358b0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:49:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7C3B1.92938E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used. I think it was a product called The Vocalist, way back in the = 90s. It wasn't really a harmonizer as much as a device that seemed to add synthetic voice harmonies to your original voice input. I tried it out = from a music shop because I thought it might give me a good way to do Brian = May type harmonies on my guitar. didn't work so well. However, for voice I think it had a very cool sound and seemed to be limitless (you could = input harmonies via MIDI notes or have it auto-harmonize to a key) I can't remember who made it. Digitech? =20 I'd bet money on the fact that Imogen Heap is using the latest version = of this technology. I saw her live and she sounded great. I say, if you = know what she's using, speak up. That's the model to buy. Also, I think she used combos of harmonizers and vocoders during different tracks. =20 Mark =20 -----Original Message----- From: Tilmann Dehnhard [mailto:tilmann@dehnhard.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? =20 what was the name of that roland harmonizer guys like simon stockhausen used, end of the 80ies/beginning of the 90ies? tilmann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jon Southwood =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? =20 That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for that track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI from a = keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing her = performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times sounding like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined to believe it's a vocoder.=20 Cheers, Jon On 7/11/07, RICK WALKER wrote:=20 Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except for rather synthetic sounding harmonization? I'm just enthralled with it. Please forgive me but I forget the title of the track and it's out in my car as I type.=20 Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations! yours, Rick =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7C3B1.92938E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I used… I think it was a = product called The Vocalist, way back in the 90s.  It wasn’t really a harmonizer as much as a device that seemed to add synthetic voice = harmonies to your original voice input.  I tried it out from a music shop = because I thought it might give me a good way to do Brian May type harmonies on my = guitar… didn’t work so well.  However, for voice I think it had a = very cool sound and seemed to be limitless (you could input harmonies via = MIDI notes or have = it auto-harmonize to a key)  I can’t remember who made it… = Digitech?

 

I’d bet money on the fact = that Imogen Heap is using the latest version of this technology.  I saw her = live and she sounded great.  I say, if you know what she’s using, = speak up.  That’s the model to buy.  Also, I think she used = combos of harmonizers and vocoders during different tracks.

 

Mark

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Tilmann Dehnhard [mailto:tilmann@dehnhard.com]
Sent:
Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:28 = AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: Vocal = Harmonizer recommendations?

 

what was the name of that = roland harmonizer guys like simon stockhausen used, end of the 80ies/beginning = of the 90ies?

tilmann

----- Original Message = -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:15 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations?

 

That's "Hide and Seek." I'm pretty sure she's using a vocoder for = that track. Either that, or a harmonizer that responds to MIDI = from a keyboard to determine the pitches. There's a couple YouTube vids showing = her performing it live. Given how the timbre changes, though (at times = sounding like a low-pass filter is opening up gradually), I'm inclined to believe = it's a vocoder.

Cheers,

Jon

On = 7/11/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:


Has any one heard the Imogen Heap track that is all acapella except = for
rather synthetic sounding
harmonization?    I'm just enthralled with it.  Please forgive me but I
forget the title of the track
and it's out in my car as I type.

Thanks everyone for all the wonderful recommendations!

yours,  Rick

 

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7C3B1.92938E80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:53:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB0513BF6E; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.113.128.239] X-Identified-User: {864:box76.bluehost.com:kevinkis:kevinkissinger.com} {sentby:webmail from 216.113.128.239} Message-ID: <20070711135337.23vzxc8gwk0oc4cs@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:53:37 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? References: <000801c7c3ec$3ef26680$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> In-Reply-To: <000801c7c3ec$3ef26680$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > I used. I think it was a product called The Vocalist, way back in the 90s. > It wasn't really a harmonizer as much as a device that seemed to add > synthetic voice harmonies to your original voice input. I tried it out from > a music shop because I thought it might give me a good way to do Brian May > type harmonies on my guitar. didn't work so well. However, for voice I > think it had a very cool sound and seemed to be limitless (you could input > harmonies via MIDI notes or have it auto-harmonize to a key) I can't > remember who made it. Digitech? I have a Digitech Vocalist II that matches your description. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 18:55:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A45083BF5D; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PTFWdLy9wgXC4jBDnJ9bFxRHyxj23i2z6HtcbU1Peu6EJeEbWaamBiUH7yl6uGUJM5nKtzX8envC1pxnna/bPHfhtx16rhaGtf9OCSmewpAoTZmrlZuFI0Zm2wKCAvzNPf6OZIghu8/UQTGi9cQFGScPaDIFybShApPWgYBV25M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cZvIci3Pd6Rr274JPIjeO/uqlhh1wK7LvbGGc0aIvyex4R2BKOoXl04xv4PQ5moLW5vEOxEWqmUxmEdGPOZqY6I4GPi7nBZYtZBDJZ0h+5BfMamXpArEOsiYHXotbmSDYQyP0u7+tzu3ty8Qo3Nfax5AyBLzD69+LVNvrHSgi+M= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:55:02 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? In-Reply-To: <000801c7c3ec$3ef26680$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6747_42544.1184180102831" References: <000501c7c3e3$367358b0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <000801c7c3ec$3ef26680$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:55:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6747_42544.1184180102831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline An excerpt from an on-line interview with her: --begin clip *Hide and Seek is a fantastic track, but also a brave choice for a single in a way, because it only features your voice fed through a vocoder. Was that a brave move do you think?* Yep! It is quite brave isn't it! But I really didn't expect it to have that effect. Actually that's not true- I knew that if people heard it, because it's so unusual, and it's like a hymn, it's not any particular genre, so the fact that Radio 1 has picked up on it is amazing, because obviously more people can hear it. I think it started in a way because Jo Whiley is a fan of the O.C., and so she played it, but then people like Zane Lowe and Scott Mills, they never watch the O.C. *How many vocal layers are there in the track roughly?* Well there's actually only two real mes in there at any one point, and then the rest of it is going through the vocoder. It was a real magical mysterious evening when it came out of me. I'd had a bit of a nightmare in the studio that day, and everything was playing up. I didn't want to leave the studio without something to say for myself. Also because I had people on the blog that I had to prove that I'd done something that day! So I picked up the vocoder, which I hadn't really used much, plugged it into the minidisc, just to record whatever came out. And literally the whole song (apart from the lyrics), the exact melody, the exact timing of the breathing and everything, the two melodies coming in together at the end, all happened in the space of like ten minutes. I really love the song for that reason as well. I didn't have to slave over it. There are some songs that I find it difficult to listen to, because I remember it took me however long to sort out that chord or whatever, but Hide and Seek was like a dream come true. ---end clip As Jeff mentioned, she doesn't identify the vocoder, but she leaves no doubt that it was a vocoder and not a harmonizer. The full interview can be found here: http://www.pixelsurgeon.com/interviews/interview.php?id=200 Cheers, Jon On 7/11/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > I'd bet money on the fact that Imogen Heap is using the latest version of > this technology. I saw her live and she sounded great. I say, if you know > what she's using, speak up. That's the model to buy. Also, I think she > used combos of harmonizers and vocoders during different tracks. > > > > Mark > > ------=_Part_6747_42544.1184180102831 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline An excerpt from an on-line interview with her:

--begin clip

Hide and Seek is a fantastic track, but also a brave choice for a single in a way, because it only features your voice fed through a vocoder. Was that a brave move do you think?

Yep! It is quite brave isn't it! But I really didn't expect it to have that effect. Actually that's not true- I knew that if people heard it, because it's so unusual, and it's like a hymn, it's not any particular genre, so the fact that Radio 1 has picked up on it is amazing, because obviously more people can hear it. I think it started in a way because Jo Whiley is a fan of the O.C., and so she played it, but then people like Zane Lowe and Scott Mills, they never watch the O.C.

How many vocal layers are there in the track roughly?

Well there's actually only two real mes in there at any one point, and then the rest of it is going through the vocoder. It was a real magical mysterious evening when it came out of me. I'd had a bit of a nightmare in the studio that day, and everything was playing up. I didn't want to leave the studio without something to say for myself. Also because I had people on the blog that I had to prove that I'd done something that day! So I picked up the vocoder, which I hadn't really used much, plugged it into the minidisc, just to record whatever came out. And literally the whole song (apart from the lyrics), the exact melody, the exact timing of the breathing and everything, the two melodies coming in together at the end, all happened in the space of like ten minutes. I really love the song for that reason as well. I didn't have to slave over it. There are some songs that I find it difficult to listen to, because I remember it took me however long to sort out that chord or whatever, but Hide and Seek was like a dream come true.

---end clip

As Jeff mentioned, she doesn't identify the vocoder, but she leaves no doubt that it was a vocoder and not a harmonizer. The full interview can be found here:

http://www.pixelsurgeon.com/interviews/interview.php?id=200

Cheers,
Jon

On 7/11/07, Mark Sottilaro < sine@zerocrossing.net> wrote:

I'd bet money on the fact that Imogen Heap is using the latest version of this technology.  I saw her live and she sounded great.  I say, if you know what she's using, speak up.  That's the model to buy.  Also, I think she used combos of harmonizers and vocoders during different tracks.

 

Mark



------=_Part_6747_42544.1184180102831-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:35:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C393D3BF63; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XGoGCX3tDFvMJEyns2fyPDpG4ZKwHCpTS9GS/7atlvJBMiFWCJRCJtzm+kjRzghFrfUvXK2eZn/HztNFYde7mjSaewpOKncMovOZZyJ7X6kSIZrK/6V/E4uNno7s/R3e90lmveg9KcyPdAJAJoJyszY14vj/QdDWPCz8GvU0sdQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 5FK5hk8VM1mh_5eBlo6X.PU0NYlkE2FxTs501oaUndY.YxGb5ewxVvW3SRjdIbcc.QwqRkSR1uuygB92X1u9zrAWnsZRqWc47YaCEe7wPgqB0L5HAWQ- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070711064740.040c5e30@belfast.oilfield.slb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <494406.23638.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, T.C. Helicon Voiceworks. It's great. Rig --- Bart Lyons wrote: > The TC Electronics Quintet is not bad and you can > find them on eBay > for a good price $350. However unlike the Digitech > you will need midi > say from a keyboard or midi guitar which is what I > used to track the > chord/key changes. To be honest unless you pay mega > bucks they all > sound a bit cheesy. Far better looping your vocal > harmony as it's all natural. > > At 16:22 10/07/2007, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >Try these: > > > >http://www.guitar.com.au/effects/t.c.electronics/Quintet.htm > >http://www.bizrate.com/musicalinstrumenteffectsprocessors/products__keyword--digitech+vocal+harmonizer.html > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "RICK WALKER" > >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:05 PM > >Subject: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? > > > > > > > All my life I've wanted a good vocal harmonizer > in either a floor > > > or rackmount version and they've always been a > bit out of my grasp > > > economically. > > > > > > I've used the Red Whammy pedal and the Digitech > Vocal 300 but they both > > > are very noisy and don't have intelligent > harmonies in them. > > > > > > I've also got a Boss IntelliShifter but it's > scales are very perfunctory > >and > > > I > > > would like to be able to do things like use > Balkan harmonies or even > > > shifting harmonies so it's just not > sophisticated enough for the things I > > > want to do. > > > > > > I've finally decided to throw caution to the > wind and try to find a more > > > sophisticated unit > > > for my live looping performances > > > > > > The Eventides are just out of my price range > even in used condition > > > ...............for what that's worth. > > > > > > > > > .................but I have been looking > specifically, at > > > > > > > > > > > > Digitech DHP-44 Intelligent Harmonizer Whammy > Eventide > > > > > > Digitech VHM5 Vocalist Harmonizer > > > > > > Digitech Vocalist Performer Harmonizer Vocal > Processor > > > > > > Digitech Vocalist Live 2 Vocal Harmonizer > > > > >**************************************************************************** > >************************************************** > > > > > > Does anyone have any advice for me or are there > units to avoid (for > >reasons > > > of noise or lack of sophistication)? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. 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FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 19:43:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAE413BF64; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=efAVIULMQatdqun1/KIJa3i6atrcMMpKvHGY4WYxmqc79eVwny9sv/amQjeoxfzyacd403ujrKONIoNOnyGrj5731J7NWj8ztEHHVmtHthMVum9gaQBwGU1vaxQnwuqOs6LI487BD7cIiv3Koi7djpQwzLf+ES9gdPDSdr4A530=; X-YMail-OSG: QYZ.VNYVM1l5KJjSrkGKdTINuGyq9EdkgsjZhzhBXua6817CPrBxHd9lUQuX4LRPAgQ5Wv6aUFwp3O6IQArs7tkkTaXJ7YviWsggJhw5sBbAIwbOSV2_j0pJrkQ_dQ-- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: RE: BOSS RV70 Reverb To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <863816.56697.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <697087.42783.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, NO,NO,NO,NO. Get a Roland SRV-2000. You won' be sorry. I have 3 and have used them for 20 years. Lush smooth, velvety, or the other way if you want. It has a second page where you can go in and actually mess with the walls and such of the room. Rig --- Paul Richards wrote: > Thanks for the replies re: the Boss reverb. 'Guess > I'll pass on this type of unit. > > I just bid on an ALesis Quadraverb 2 which I used > to have. I kinda liked that unit. Had some good > 'verbs. > > Regards, Paul > > Sjaak wrote: > @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: > 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: > "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: > 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New > Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; > MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" > } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: > underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; > TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: > purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } > SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; > TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { > COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; > mso-style-type: personal-compose } DIV.Section1 { > page: Section1 } Hi, the Boss reverb is not > bad but you can't expect a pro sound from a unit in > this price range. I would therefore recommend > something like a used TC Electronic (M-One) or a > Lexicon. > > Sjaak - Belgium > > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:11:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E0343BF4C; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:45:10 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Harmonizers To: Jeff Larson , billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004b01c7c3f7$b9b60240$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3FF23D@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9i0Ua.A.O6G.FmTlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:11:50 +0000 (UTC) I was hoping for Afternoon Whipping. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Harmonizers > > Now admit to me and everyone else that your real > > intention is to play a looped version of Whipping Post. > > I was hoping for Afternoon Delight. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:32:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B76923BF37; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TCxyD/nb7ilJBRB5ollnuA9Ii2kZwF1qnrky3aI3/8elIK1gFEtRnEobDHuE/PVeDKp8+gf6jtJZNqJO6xWofTUqfurn2n9pOpCnen3/EO/K2LucKoV3JFqoYVet91didf2ehD/zNONDILJwLiG0Co1otiwkwJgKdwtMeieOILI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=L+5zUnMnplRDw4bjB5a9FEnyj3ZNtSXclUM0Lu5cj7nCgYPhjs39gRt3t4gmJd64v8VRcTuvd6LTt8cdH6erzAJPEzIIqtUVUiV9H8LCJZk6XQYqgC+gwPtcE9RXIaIyDLZnvsqlkuPyaogDEZ8B3Kxj/SLNVkZ3X8mMs15P8TI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:32:41 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Microphone bleed while looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9448_9229837.1184185961790" Resent-Message-ID: <02lnpD.A.n5H.r5TlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:32:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9448_9229837.1184185961790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Assuming no muting of live sound, no headphones. Any tips for minimizing bleed with minimum of fuss? Neil ------=_Part_9448_9229837.1184185961790 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Assuming no muting of live sound, no headphones. Any tips for minimizing bleed with minimum of fuss?

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------=_Part_9448_9229837.1184185961790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:33:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 331273BF39; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:33:24 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c7c3fa$be14c120$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfD7Mzbkxhr8GoWQ/ewc5Ebd7PXYgADdOsg Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20070711135337.23vzxc8gwk0oc4cs@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Yup, I bet that was it. Pretty cool device. I wonder if there's = anything that could do that in real time in a VST form... -----Original Message----- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com = [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Quoting Mark Sottilaro : > I used. I think it was a product called The Vocalist, way back in the = 90s. > It wasn't really a harmonizer as much as a device that seemed to add > synthetic voice harmonies to your original voice input. I tried it = out from > a music shop because I thought it might give me a good way to do Brian = May > type harmonies on my guitar. didn't work so well. However, for voice = I > think it had a very cool sound and seemed to be limitless (you could = input > harmonies via MIDI notes or have it auto-harmonize to a key) I can't > remember who made it. Digitech? I have a Digitech Vocalist II that matches your description. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA8B3BF3A; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:34:55 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c7c3fa$f456fb90$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7C3C0.47F82390" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfD7P7ttCYbK0y6TYCaBwH8075XDwADcjiw Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:35:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7C3C0.47F82390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, but here: =20 http://www.westcoastsongwriters.org/ImogenInterview.htm =20 She describes it as a harmonizer. Probably figures the terminology = isn't that important depending on who she's talking to but from what I hear it seems like she uses both depending on what she's trying for. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? =20 An excerpt from an on-line interview with her: --begin clip Hide and Seek is a fantastic track, but also a brave choice for a single = in a way, because it only features your voice fed through a vocoder. Was = that a brave move do you think? Yep! It is quite brave isn't it! But I really didn't expect it to have = that effect. Actually that's not true- I knew that if people heard it, = because it's so unusual, and it's like a hymn, it's not any particular genre, so = the fact that Radio 1 has picked up on it is amazing, because obviously more people can hear it. I think it started in a way because Jo Whiley is a = fan of the O.C., and so she played it, but then people like Zane Lowe and = Scott Mills, they never watch the O.C. How many vocal layers are there in the track roughly? Well there's actually only two real mes in there at any one point, and = then the rest of it is going through the vocoder. It was a real magical mysterious evening when it came out of me. I'd had a bit of a nightmare = in the studio that day, and everything was playing up. I didn't want to = leave the studio without something to say for myself. Also because I had = people on the blog that I had to prove that I'd done something that day! So I = picked up the vocoder, which I hadn't really used much, plugged it into the minidisc, just to record whatever came out. And literally the whole song (apart from the lyrics), the exact melody, the exact timing of the = breathing and everything, the two melodies coming in together at the end, all = happened in the space of like ten minutes. I really love the song for that reason = as well. I didn't have to slave over it. There are some songs that I find = it difficult to listen to, because I remember it took me however long to = sort out that chord or whatever, but Hide and Seek was like a dream come = true. ---end clip As Jeff mentioned, she doesn't identify the vocoder, but she leaves no = doubt that it was a vocoder and not a harmonizer. The full interview can be = found here: http://www.pixelsurgeon.com/interviews/interview.php?id=3D200 Cheers, Jon On 7/11/07, Mark Sottilaro < sine@zerocrossing.net > wrote: =20 I'd bet money on the fact that Imogen Heap is using the latest version = of this technology. I saw her live and she sounded great. I say, if you = know what she's using, speak up. That's the model to buy. Also, I think she used combos of harmonizers and vocoders during different tracks. =20 Mark =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7C3C0.47F82390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah, but here:

 

http://w= ww.westcoastsongwriters.org/ImogenInterview.htm

 

She describes it as a = harmonizer.  Probably figures the terminology isn’t that important depending on = who she’s talking to but from what I hear it seems like she uses both depending on what she’s trying for.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, = 2007 11:55 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: Vocal = Harmonizer recommendations?

 

An excerpt from an on-line interview with her:

--begin clip

Hide and Seek is a fantastic = track, but also a brave choice for a single in a way, because it only features your = voice fed through a vocoder. Was that a brave move do you = think?

Yep! It is quite brave isn't it! But I really didn't expect it to have = that effect. Actually that's not true- I knew that if people heard it, = because it's so unusual, and it's like a hymn, it's not any particular genre, so the = fact that Radio 1 has picked up on it is amazing, because obviously more = people can hear it. I think it started in a way because Jo Whiley is a fan of the = O.C., and so she played it, but then people like Zane Lowe and Scott Mills, = they never watch the O.C.

How many vocal layers are = there in the track roughly?

Well there's actually only two real mes in there at any one point, and = then the rest of it is going through the vocoder. It was a real magical = mysterious evening when it came out of me. I'd had a bit of a nightmare in the = studio that day, and everything was playing up. I didn't want to leave the studio = without something to say for myself. Also because I had people on the blog that = I had to prove that I'd done something that day! So I picked up the vocoder, = which I hadn't really used much, plugged it into the minidisc, just to record = whatever came out. And literally the whole song (apart from the lyrics), the = exact melody, the exact timing of the breathing and everything, the two = melodies coming in together at the end, all happened in the space of like ten = minutes. I really love the song for that reason as well. I didn't have to slave = over it. There are some songs that I find it difficult to listen to, because I = remember it took me however long to sort out that chord or whatever, but Hide and = Seek was like a dream come true.

---end clip

As Jeff mentioned, she doesn't identify the vocoder, but she leaves no = doubt that it was a vocoder and not a harmonizer. The full interview can be = found here:

ht= tp://www.pixelsurgeon.com/interviews/interview.php?id=3D200

Cheers,
Jon

On = 7/11/07, Mark Sottilaro < sine@zerocrossing.net> = wrote:

 

I'd bet money on = the fact that Imogen Heap is using the latest version of this technology.  I = saw her live and she sounded great.  I say, if you know what she's = using, speak up.  That's the model to buy.  Also, I think she used = combos of harmonizers and vocoders during different tracks.

 

Mark

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C7C3C0.47F82390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 20:47:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10AF3BF3B; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ar4Ectecir2ID+aeLpPwZ4QbDqQKOUm4XRPrIzK/fmhRUpXCInLY29yJfz89cVsM2YkBQaAH98r7fmQ8dxzp8ED0I1iODtSxlC2PRfiYpHjoGXs1JgVg3bgZ++RC5+GPrLNXcBd0p7AJHnma0oIQTg25/vNnVqrpAY+hvt8CJ7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=BXRkQA7sBDyMl1x5q+v93caAc8IgOg8dhZBroKk086GBEpy0bUkFsQD0JyGh/Gew4ClPZ1dR98Mx+H+PFX9zWiEzeHqJrp5C6fqbfGL5wS7QyiAbSxPwcn1KdWfiOQ6UhtFTt5rSlSe3fyVlayGbtBUAmG0QKbd35XIZMMO0I8s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <15E108E1-22D6-48E3-85E6-8D1D6E9B6C79@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Microphone bleed while looping Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:47:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:47:52 +0000 (UTC) On 11 jul 2007, at 22.32, Neil Goldstein wrote: > Assuming no muting of live sound, no headphones. Any tips for > minimizing bleed with minimum of fuss? > Hi Neil, When I use a microphone I put it through a volume pedal so I can close it between my played notes. To be specific I'm using a MIDI expression pedal that controls the mic input level by software. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:43:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BFDD3BF43; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5LJ8cvTkKxrmEeQUqMtGARq17nwuvT27uQ== X-Originating-IP: [72.65.153.24] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:41:24 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070711.174124.22343.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain X-ContentStamp: 3:5:4284991360 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.157|webmail17.dca.untd.com|webmail17.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote You can add Windows as an alternative OS on those new Macs. By = restricting it for Mobius only there will hopefully not be much = frustration ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen I have a friend who has a stripped down version of XP and is willing to = give it up so I can try = just that. I have Parrallels loaded and await XP. Is anyone doing this= ? If so I would like to hear = how it is working with Parallels before I give it a go. I am still usin= g hardware loopers and plan = to try this once I get through some personnal situations that are taking= up my time.... Peace = Weg in West Virginia From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 21:56:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB8983BF41; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=s5eEhFMPpo6aHO4cQlibT2ZxzjUfujzUP1MNnZ3z8nZfmuo8+NHu2JsqjwvjBc51kYvTD4pGE5QhVEnUAUsWv9niPtI+nXNVUjlSTqj5KtHF/f/vf3i1ftE58nYSbL3/2mn9of5P7V1x8j70CCmXC/8mrIuDza1tbSO8sB+aFpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Db51Dpt4JX1/vjdJonUuAKXCA3jorqrbKmaIwrF/oWsQ+D+31EQJW64PoG/hjb00QTMMjiPVs1WiZsTMq6KCebijtrxnm20l0SBtPkyQV69AfUPApWS24N2j+nl0vkNE+60AicnrJRr2c6CBeT1znMDWhwDSoMWBiOBx3fm4Obg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:56:34 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Microphone bleed while looping In-Reply-To: <15E108E1-22D6-48E3-85E6-8D1D6E9B6C79@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10360_22536603.1184190994881" References: <15E108E1-22D6-48E3-85E6-8D1D6E9B6C79@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10360_22536603.1184190994881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > > > When I use a microphone I put it through a volume pedal so I can > close it between my played notes. To be specific I'm using a MIDI > expression pedal that controls the mic input level by software. That's one of the strengths of laptop looping. I'm just using 2 EDP with acoustic gtr. Esp with more active looping, the bleed is really a limiting factor. Wonder if there's a type of mic that is extra directional, or ? Talking about vocals and hand percussion. Neil ------=_Part_10360_22536603.1184190994881 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline



When I use a microphone I put it through a volume pedal so I can
close it between my played notes. To be specific I'm using a MIDI
expression pedal that controls the mic input level by software.

That's one of the strengths of laptop looping. I'm just using 2 EDP with acoustic gtr.  Esp with more active looping, the bleed is really a limiting factor. Wonder if there's a type of mic that is extra directional, or ? Talking about vocals and hand percussion. 

Neil

 
------=_Part_10360_22536603.1184190994881-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 11 23:57:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35BA03BF4D; Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--267412906 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:56:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:57:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--267412906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I have an Intellifex- I would never use the pitch effects in it- although I must admit it has been a while since it was used. Reverb and chorus, yes. I don't remember it being an intelligent pitch-shifter though. My pitch effects are usually TDM plugins these days although I use a Lexicon MPXG2 live for pitch effects- it is 1 part diatonic and sounds great, but it is a guitar processor. One very under-rated device is the Digitech Quad- a really good sounding budget box with 4in, 4 out and very flexible routing. It has pitch effects and I remember them being pretty decent- you should be able to find a Quad for under $100. Worth getting just for gits and shingles. Regards, Jim Richmond On Jul 10, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > The Rocktron Intellifex actually does a pretty credible job, IIRC. > Do check with someone who actually has one around to verify that. > --Apple-Mail-4--267412906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have an Intellifex- I would = never use the pitch effects in it- although I must admit it has been a = while since it was used.
Reverb and chorus, yes.
I don't = remember it being an intelligent pitch-shifter though.

My pitch effects are = usually TDM plugins these days although I use a Lexicon MPXG2 live for = pitch effects- it is 1 part diatonic and sounds great, but it is a = guitar processor.

One very under-rated device = is the Digitech Quad- a really good sounding budget box with 4in, 4 out = and very flexible routing.
It has pitch effects and I remember = them being pretty decent- you should be able to find a Quad for under = $100.
Worth getting just for gits and shingles.

Regards,=A0

Jim Richmond

On Jul 10, 2007, = at 11:09 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote:

The Rocktron = Intellifex actually does a pretty credible job, IIRC. Do check with = someone who actually has one around to verify that.=A0


= --Apple-Mail-4--267412906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 00:23:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92CC93BF40; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <071120071709.29696.46950EB300067873000074002212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <071120071709.29696.46950EB300067873000074002212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <90192347-D901-4DCF-82DC-95FCF48E081F@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: RC-50, un undiscovered treasure.... Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:23:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:23:55 +0000 (UTC) thanks... very interesting On Jul 11, 2007, at 1:09 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > =46rom the workshop found here: http://www.rolandus.com/products/=20 > productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=3D772&ParentId=3D46 > > > In this example patch, the RC-50=92s in Multi mode, the guide and =20 > Loop Sync > are off, and all phrases are set for looped playback. Phrases 1 and =20= > 2 are > empty, but we=92ve got a 4/4 drum loop imported into Phrase 3. Though = we > want to use the drum loop as a rhythmic backing, we don=92t want it =20= > to start > playing right away; we=92d like to record an audio loop (a chord =20 > progression, > for example) into Phrase 1 first, and then start Phrase 3 playing a =20= > little later. > Of course, when Phrase 3=92s drum loop starts, we want it to play in =20= > time with > our looping Phrase 1. > The key to making this happen is by using Tempo Sync. In our =20 > example patch, > we=92ve turned on the Tempo Sync switches for Phrases 1 and 3. This =20= > allows the > recording of Phrase 1 to set the patch tempo, and also makes Phrase =20= > 3 play at > the patch tempo. Follow along as we walk through how this works: > With the RC-50 stopped, select Phrase 1 for recording by pressing its > PHRASE SELECT pedal. > Tap your foot in a steady rhythm at the desired tempo. > When you=92re ready to start recording, press the REC/PLAY/OVERDUB > pedal once, in time with your foot taps. Phrase 1 begins recording. > During recording, play with a steady 4/4 rhythm. This will ensure an > accurate original tempo calculation. > When you wish to close Phrase 1, press REC/PLAY/OVERDUB. The phrase > starts looping, and the patch tempo is set to match this newly =20 > recorded > phrase=92s original tempo. > To get an accurate original tempo, make sure you close the phrase > exactly at the beginning of a measure. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 00:33:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9266A3BF37; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25--265200192 Message-Id: <080BB779-FA75-48C7-A611-DA58927315FB@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? / MXR Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:33:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-VB9lB.A.SaG.xbXlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:33:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-25--265200192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I have an old MXR Pitch Transposer that is built like a tank and still works great and has a very unique over all quality of sound that, so far, I have not heard as much the same from other units. I have always just run instruments through it, but it does great for bizarre sounding vocal input too. It also has these 4 wonderful "touch sensitive" control knobs. You set the pitch shifts any of the ways you want it to on the 4 knobs, and then you can change the effects going out on the fly by simply touching the tops of the knobs. I hope I explained that clear enough? :-) I also got the device *used* WAY back in the mid 80's and the thing has been a reliable work horse ever since. It is one of my more favorite devices that I have, along with the wonderful Mu-Tron Bi-Phase unit that I have had for even LONGER. Loop related: And, my Multivox Multi-Echo too, of course. :-) -Rev. Fever On Jul 11, 2007, at 4:56 PM, James Richmond wrote: > I have an Intellifex- I would never use the pitch effects in it- > although I must admit it has been a while since it was used. > Reverb and chorus, yes. > I don't remember it being an intelligent pitch-shifter though. > > My pitch effects are usually TDM plugins these days although I use > a Lexicon MPXG2 live for pitch effects- it is 1 part diatonic and > sounds great, but it is a guitar processor. > > One very under-rated device is the Digitech Quad- a really good > sounding budget box with 4in, 4 out and very flexible routing. > It has pitch effects and I remember them being pretty decent- you > should be able to find a Quad for under $100. > Worth getting just for gits and shingles. > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond > > On Jul 10, 2007, at 11:09 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > >> The Rocktron Intellifex actually does a pretty credible job, IIRC. >> Do check with someone who actually has one around to verify that. >> > --Apple-Mail-25--265200192 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have an old MXR Pitch = Transposer that is built like a tank and still works great and has a = very unique over all quality of sound that,=A0so far,=A0
I have not = heard as much the same from other units. I have always just run = instruments through it, but it does great for bizarre sounding vocal = input too.

=A0I= t also has these 4 wonderful "touch sensitive" control knobs. You set = the pitch shifts any of the ways you want it to on the 4 = knobs,=A0
and then you can change the effects going out on the = fly by simply touching the tops of the knobs.=A0 I hope I explained that = clear enough? :-)

I also got the device = *used* WAY back in the mid 80's and the thing has been a reliable work = horse ever since.

It = is one of my more favorite devices that I have, along with the wonderful = Mu-Tron Bi-Phase unit that I have had for even LONGER.

Loop = related:
And, my Multivox Multi-Echo too, of course. = :-)

-Rev. = Fever


On Jul 11, = 2007, at 4:56 PM, James Richmond wrote:

I have an = Intellifex- I would never use the pitch effects in it- although I must = admit it has been a while since it was used.
Reverb and chorus, = yes.
I don't remember it being an intelligent pitch-shifter = though.

My = pitch effects are usually TDM plugins these days although I use a = Lexicon MPXG2 live for pitch effects- it is 1 part diatonic and sounds = great, but it is a guitar processor.

One very under-rated device = is the Digitech Quad- a really good sounding budget box with 4in, 4 out = and very flexible routing.
It has pitch effects and I remember = them being pretty decent- you should be able to find a Quad for under = $100.
Worth getting just for gits and shingles.

Regards,=A0

Jim Richmond

On Jul 10, 2007, = at 11:09 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote:

The Rocktron = Intellifex actually does a pretty credible job, IIRC. Do check with = someone who actually has one around to verify that.=A0



= --Apple-Mail-25--265200192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 00:46:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505133BF4D; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IzmP5MB2DLceieSSyf/AXyPeWetVkwML9uG5s3JR4aPmZK9p4YSAe4ZpuXrKME/l/D5ladQaFtN7tfetgN4SLXf9lQI6LUVX3OVmGwST6x5+10Lbh2eyRILie0D0zNAm+WPRhARgcYNSVwGwH5awI46cROt6Hx8d+tT64hEc4pE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U08mTCC4hynjEF97502Z5Xullo4IacyKHQRjAsKFKtxhdR4+jMFmV7pPT+H1XJqdqQKWByGDILmzqUksY3mod3WOvfqUvPWDiWBQjB/UTMTfr2+DrzEtiZ3GyhLwlfnmyjf+xUQXbtYVysMvqvppLxQvRXrsYlZltQ3jGD0e1aI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:46:15 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15856_16406985.1184201175702" References: <007301c7c368$5b09ea20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:46:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15856_16406985.1184201175702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK, sorry -- the Intellipitch has intelligent harmony. The Hush; Intelligent Shift configuration provides two voices that can be used for intelligent (or diatonic) pitch shifting. Intelligent pitch shifting produces harmony notes that are always generated diatonically within a user- specified key and scale type when the user plays in key. Therefore, any input note played in the prescribed key will result in harmony notes that are also in the proper key. ------=_Part_15856_16406985.1184201175702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK, sorry -- the Intellipitch has intelligent harmony.

The Hush; Intelligent Shift configuration provides two voices that can be used for intelligent (or diatonic) pitch
shifting. Intelligent pitch shifting produces harmony notes that are always generated diatonically within a user-
specified key and scale type when the user plays in key. Therefore, any input note played in the prescribed key will
result in harmony notes that are also in the proper key.
------=_Part_15856_16406985.1184201175702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 00:46:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF4833BF56; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013301c7c41e$14a0e460$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Harmonizers Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:46:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Bill Walker (my brother) wrote: "Hey Rick, the digitech IPS33b which I had once and I believe you had borrowed one from Michele Landeger years ago, would probably fit the bill if you can find one. It did diatonic, parallel, and custom harmonies, and though not as pristine sounding as Eventide stuff, it sounded great. Now admit to me and everyone else that your real intention is to play a looped version of Whipping Post. The next and most complete model was the DHP-55 with up to 5 harmonies I believe. I saw one on ebay this morning, That will make you sound like the Allman brothers and Wishbone Ash jamming together. Booyah!" This cracks me up. I wrote to this wonderful list and have gotten great advice from a lot of knowledgeable people and one of the best things advised and that I can afford comes from my brother, who lives in the front part of the duplex I now sit in. I could have thrown a rock and hit him on the head as he typed this advice. But he probably wouldn't have appreciated it. Thanks bro! You are the bomb! I was thinking more of the Allman Brothers meet Diamanda Galas, by the way, will the digitech do this for me? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 07:11:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F1AF3BF6D; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=KSr4HvzbEaIgQEhhXIb9fHSRAxdkXMpniV0fJwIhK9k1qVS5Dkxs8d2lDyPErjOcykvr/z3ONaGS/otrl30BqxlamkdUaAXhHbGAf07kQzdYovhd91WNybtAEOZGmrrdCc9i02ZofDbHayzYS6f0MYm/DwxVkUilieHc7/v0HOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=p3Ak130KRMLMMcj+bBfex542LpZEs9RS/QsgwROh31kHdxo9Sds2M7W9yCSdP4h4z9BFZUln6aFIquoUaFwllusmYLC0Dr1R7vNyrt6omYyXj0whH4KEgG1rWhx+gD87vYjXbmGve7DPp/WfpVEbzvHVK+jaoQfeOLFW3x5j0aA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:11:03 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? In-Reply-To: <20070711.174124.22343.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070711.174124.22343.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: db4da26a77282436 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Audio apps will work under Parallels (I've tested Live at its fine, for example). The problem will be getting XP under Parallels to talk directly to your audio hardware. Parallels installs a basic stereo audio driver in XP, which is then piped through to Mac OS X, which then talks to the hardware - so you've got a big latency and CPU load there. It's not clear if it's even possible to tell OS X to ignore the hardware and have the XP drivers talk to it directly. I would imagine BootCamp would be a much better choice for Windows-on-Mac for audio work, but I've never tried it out myself. os. On 11/07/07, Weg wrote: > I have a friend who has a stripped down version of XP and is willing to give it up so I can try > just that. I have Parrallels loaded and await XP. Is anyone doing this? If so I would like to hear > how it is working with Parallels before I give it a go. I am still using hardware loopers and plan > to try this once I get through some personnal situations that are taking up my time.... -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 09:05:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CED43BF63; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HkybieYdaEImSrpBMtJilzpYoFL+eIbzSBNFbmW/K3uJIkHU1bm3k3A4FVYVrbUekZxNM5U1pqkvN+ZmKF4rLWxwljE9xs6acVpbDsqw5NTAIedprjyZBBatp/lt7ze7gQdjhAgroU9pZurTBNrY6Y7Sz0ddAbeUFrZtluzMfb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KmDr8Zk+mg9nE/pCznVQt9sbvRFgdP64vrGWmiRSNIfSSRMPq4sUsnofVLxtRD7jYd0aPgoxjVfC3sRB98oQ3Fc+LX2WNp8u9JbsnwQ7yGalRFeGoIm1Pk3dXYqOK9A/wYLcdMs63HiaQrGxg+ZXyTBgeiY4gvftKAK9AwlGqNE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070711.174124.22343.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptops -dedicated to music only? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:05:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:05:54 +0000 (UTC) On 12 jul 2007, at 09.11, Os wrote: > I would imagine BootCamp would be a much better choice for > Windows-on-Mac for audio work, but I've never tried it out myself. That's what have been reported by those who have tried. BootCamp is the way to go for audio work under XP on an intel mac. I've also read that with the latest version of Parallels you can actually use the partition set up by the BootCamp installation. This gives you a Mac that may just run XP applications in Parallels when needed and when you want to do some audio work with XP you reboot into BootCamp/XP and have full access to hardware etc. meaning less latency and less CPU load. I'm going that route myself in the future, the day one of my recent XP or OSX laptops breaks down. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 10:33:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35D573BF2C; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:33:00 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4696035C.4040804@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:33:55 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 10:40:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 330923BF6B; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WgdBjjzpLu/fsIAgy60e211/GCuCKdEhsFs2F1aIRCy3KIJ04LyNBQYTrtpnk+sNzEti70/4qsBFXTGyg+Em0wJ9yWAoRIdwhV2RtE1rVOob2l3S0ScftFqqUnQ8Fat7SozyFOQ8KFOMjRgeb7mU88UqR/+fIHI4gTt4fN8Tuyw=; X-YMail-OSG: 35B1OUwVM1n4ILpg58XoVlrSiZKIt2qZ9PKMdnHZ3jI4pvVB3yqHNXLP7SwbX2gRlfdsgB67_lOsx713TWQb4triSseX9N5YXxf6 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 03:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3FF21E@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <63421.8644.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:40:28 +0000 (UTC) seems like a great toy! i also wonder how good it will track an acoustic with a magnetic... Luis --- Jeff Larson wrote: > > > This seems easy. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=d4-SYz3_BCA > > Yeah, I've had my eye on this one (Digitech > Vocalist). They're still > pretty new, I'm waiting for some reviews. My > concern is that magic > pitch tracking devices have historically been rather > twitchy, > especially with chords. This doesn't appear to use > a hex pickup > so I would imagine that you have to play very > cleanly and simply, > like playing a guitar synth only more so. > > Jeff > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! 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Thanks for the advice, I have not looked into BootCamp! = Thanks again, weg ----__JWM__J16dd.31c0S.59e0M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html

I would imagine BootCamp would be a much better choice for
W= indows-on-Mac for audio work, but I've never tried it out myself.
os.

Thanks for the advice, I have not looked into BootCamp!

 

Thanks again,

weg

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Wishing you the best, Mail Delivery System, greetingCard.Org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 19:43:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AE463BF53; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:43:01 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c7c4bc$dec13c10$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <63421.8644.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcfEcRoBnJTOIEj9TpS1DYjEcaZoEQAS5WUg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Man, this looks like the way to go and not too bad on price. I wonder = if it would alternately accept MIDI notes to formulate harmonies. Must right? -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? seems like a great toy! i also wonder how good it will track an acoustic with a magnetic... Luis --- Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 > > This seems easy. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd4-SYz3_BCA > =20 > Yeah, I've had my eye on this one (Digitech > Vocalist). They're still > pretty new, I'm waiting for some reviews. My > concern is that magic > pitch tracking devices have historically been rather > twitchy, > especially with chords. This doesn't appear to use > a hex pickup > so I would imagine that you have to play very > cleanly and simply,=20 > like playing a guitar synth only more so. > =20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you = all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 22:06:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BF933BF53; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01c7c4bc$dec13c10$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <002f01c7c4bc$dec13c10$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:06:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <15XpZ.A.erC.7XqlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:06:52 +0000 (UTC) I don't think that anybody's yet mentioned it but, relatedly, there's the HarmonyControl | Guitar from TC Helicon: http://www.tc-helicon.com/default.asp?id=10503 It looks like just a harmony-tracking sensor with MID output, installed into a simple floor controller. The advantage here, IMNSHO, is that you can use this merely for the harmony sensing while not being tied in to the pitch altering algorithms of a particular manufacturer. You can take its MIDI output into *any* pitchshifter/harmonizer that will receive MIDI note input. You could just as well use this little box with a VST plug like Audio Damage's Discord, I'd imagine. As far as dedicated hardware, I know the Voiceworks series from TC Helicon tracks harmony keys from MIDI input really well (I've use one) but you could also conceivably mix-and-match this little floor box with whatever harmonizer you prefer. --m. At 12:43 PM -0700 7/12/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >Man, this looks like the way to go and not too bad on price. I wonder if it >would alternately accept MIDI notes to formulate harmonies. Must right? > >-----Original Message----- >From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:40 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? > >seems like a great toy! >i also wonder how good it will track an acoustic with >a magnetic... >Luis > > >--- Jeff Larson wrote: > >> >> > This seems easy. > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=d4-SYz3_BCA >> >> Yeah, I've had my eye on this one (Digitech >> Vocalist). They're still >> pretty new, I'm waiting for some reviews. My >> concern is that magic >> pitch tracking devices have historically been rather >> twitchy, >> especially with chords. This doesn't appear to use >> a hex pickup >> so I would imagine that you have to play very >> cleanly and simply, >> like playing a guitar synth only more so. >> >> Jeff >> >> > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > >____________________________________________________________________________ >________ >Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all >the tools to get online. >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 12 22:09:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD8493BF67; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <002f01c7c4bc$dec13c10$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:09:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: OT: Vocal Harmonizer recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:09:43 +0000 (UTC) At 5:06 PM -0500 7/12/07, Mech wrote: > >It looks like just a harmony-tracking sensor with MID output Erm, that should be: "It looks like just a harmony-tracking sensor with *MIDI* output..." Argh, typos. :P --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 00:51:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CFDD3BF63; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UPYoRFjUumN6Tbv06xINk2JD7vk7YeYcla8nBIGsvbYyG4IoBeMvpmCVXrAJja0juUe8dKP3gFtFRZeqO3Wcvcb2QPtLqP7L/ABqb8zjxhILgU+AdtY1lDVod/nqTGwo7zM6VCNFq6Jm8I6YLem/AQC04j/vZEVBeBp3F5xUeaE= ; Message-ID: <20070713005118.24901.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: V08dCtoVM1kHZFS.uMPMO3vBdgdw.2qz21XZB_r9o0nSyh1y8zO23MbnaWepRXIg7.9Wg8sEgWN4TolY4QBb7gegY6mfnEpScvVgqFO_rMoaBtAN2ZnIKdzirOUSkw-- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: RE: BOSS RV70 Reverb To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <697087.42783.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, the thing i don't like about alesis is the sound I want is usually halfway between the seyyings of the alesis machines. An SRV-2000 is usually around $50 to $60 bucks. You should try at least one. The Roland DEP-5 multi effect along with it's little brother the DEP-3 are also good. Go for thr 5. Rig --- bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > NO,NO,NO,NO. Get a Roland SRV-2000. You won' be > sorry. I have 3 and have used them for 20 years. > Lush > smooth, velvety, or the other way if you want. It > has > a second page where you can go in and actually mess > with the walls and such of the room. > Rig > > > --- Paul Richards > wrote: > > > Thanks for the replies re: the Boss reverb. 'Guess > > I'll pass on this type of unit. > > > > I just bid on an ALesis Quadraverb 2 which I > used > > to have. I kinda liked that unit. Had some good > > 'verbs. > > > > Regards, Paul > > > > Sjaak wrote: > > @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: > > 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { > > FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: > > "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: > > 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New > > Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; > > MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New > Roman" > > } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: > > underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; > > TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { > COLOR: > > purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } > > SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; > > TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { > > > COLOR: windowtext; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; > > mso-style-type: personal-compose } DIV.Section1 > { > > page: Section1 } Hi, the Boss reverb is not > > bad but you can't expect a pro sound from a unit > in > > this price range. I would therefore recommend > > something like a used TC Electronic (M-One) or a > > Lexicon. > > > > Sjaak - Belgium > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in > > alternative vehicles. > > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 02:54:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8C333BF65; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070713005118.24901.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070713005118.24901.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: BOSS RV70 Reverb Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:54:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:54:25 +0000 (UTC) If you can find an Ibanez SDR-1000 or SDR-1000+, they were very nice reverbs. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 02:56:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF49D3BF3D; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:57:36 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Gig Spam: Somerville, MA To: Message-id: <001401c7c494$fc4c2100$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <710431.23721.qm@web43146.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I'll be performing this Saturday 14th July at SKYBAR in Somerville, MA. I think there are quite a few bands lined up for the night, so I've asked to go on first - so, expect me to be *doing* something sometime around 8pm or so. UNDO sounds for your iPlodding enjoyment: http://www.myspace.com/undomusic As always, bring your awareness however you will. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 06:13:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AA8E3BF69; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Manhattan sunset today Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:13:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c7c514$e0573d60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfFFN/wJ/ZHzcI6St6zlt0i7t7n1A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:13:11 +0000 (UTC) completely OT except that this happens in regular intervals: for those in NY -http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070713.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 08:18:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3573A3BF6D; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "RICK WALKER" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:17:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: picasso guitar - metheny Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46974335.3662.298B31@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <009101c7bea6$8b06dd80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <6F4l6C.A.En.BVzlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:18:10 +0000 (UTC) On 4 Jul 2007 at 18:48, RICK WALKER wrote: > and one last thought, Did you ever see the keyboardist Lyle Mays > play with Pat Metheny back in the original days of his quartets on ECM > records? He was fond of tuning an autoharp to open tunings, Maybe that inspired Pat to come up with his extraordinary Picasso guitar. I saw him play in Munich and he just sat on the edge of the stage and produced this unbelievable symphony of sound http://youtube.com/watch?v=euFmx_wtsoo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 08:18:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CD8E3BF71; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, John McIntyre Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:17:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bows for guitars Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46974335.17516.298AE3@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <468D0348.4010004@pa.msu.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <8pcs3.A.lr.JVzlGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:18:18 +0000 (UTC) On 5 Jul 2007 at 9:42, John McIntyre wrote: > I'm a bit behind on checking my e-mail, but has Eddie Phillips of the > Creation been mentioned as a bowing guitarist. Some sources say he > was Jimmy Page's inspiration. I think it's clear he was. There are some great vids of the Creation at youtube, such as http://youtube.com/watch?v=RtPeEt8-oDM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 09:00:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08D703BF67; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WX9IYbdIzlWSkqge+V0ccO7IKXQk8eeB/rZTZnahOGB3XJRPtfmNQv479Iju+BG092GkKlixMXUR6ZnJvFHuyB2EJkklTD7JxKxs5AwAPRIfP3JuOHxzW2k2Humc4bsxtbnsvnAb0JDaYe/8DjLQ+/Sl0kLGch2eurmeoye/ztU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=klHt7SzVSGJFIAN6s1+G57K5ntjIZFv/ea72ViXx1CRznziwN1ARRQsLCGSlsWD7vIpwqnfiqxHpZAeGWQh3aZcvrot2t0thpYSRmB0vw3DOy2E4FK5iMCaZ8bMBlPAU6f6E7WtzqV6SdigUf0IBhkpMDf8Pxnweq+O6AEdg3rk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46974335.3662.298B31@nick.12testing.net> References: <46974335.3662.298B31@nick.12testing.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1AB5BDA9-90DC-4904-AD17-FC6B34D4AAA9@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: picasso guitar - metheny Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:00:34 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:00:39 +0000 (UTC) On 4 Jul 2007 at 18:48, RICK WALKER wrote: > and one last thought, Did you ever see the keyboardist Lyle Mays > play with Pat Metheny back in the original days of his quartets on ECM > records? He was fond of tuning an autoharp to open tunings, Around the 80/81 period I managed to visit numerous gigs with The PM Group (I actually travelled between countries to hear their gigs, was really into their stuff). I remember Lyle had lots of miced zithers lying on top of the grand piano. They were all tuned into different chords and he played them as "fill in effects" (arpeggio sweeps in a harp like manner) while he also played his typical piano lines. I would never have been able to figure out that sound only by listening to the records. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 10:37:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBC83BF63; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=o4v2c97OBaZdsYFHMI+TjIJbrCIdcWqMF+jKWdApERYH6koe3GIN4BbN5Xuu2z5AFaTzt65eD6yARpnbbhxt/Hq1qrGELzDFMutHQsZiRFRuuCRkfMJMecyZoIp4/cjo/QSZR17iIVlQFSu26nEsTPBu5oAWZxGkvF3DdYFjM48=; X-YMail-OSG: Ypt058QVM1nlwM5DGISCWzeVHg.eX3kJeJF19TBTkj.zg3bFtu9Ajf0.coN8q4WM0y2LoUyrR_xTR6RE_TfC.xlphF0gpSetJAtwtHCm7Q2bKzcamw-- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: bows for guitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46974335.17516.298AE3@nick.12testing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <54196.44133.qm@web43131.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:37:43 +0000 (UTC) > On 5 Jul 2007 at 9:42, John McIntyre wrote: > > > I'm a bit behind on checking my e-mail, but has > Eddie Phillips of the > > Creation been mentioned as a bowing guitarist. > Some sources say he > > was Jimmy Page's inspiration. Although that seems the most likely scenario (particularly since both guitarists were working a lot with the same producer, Shel Talmy, at the time) Page himself says using a violin bow on a guitar was suggested to him by violinist David McCallum Sr. (the father of actor David McCallum) while the two were on a session together in the mid-60's. My Piranha bow hasn't arrived yet... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:15:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6F9A3BF69; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=MZ/aGX8PRkWeqyYuFu/iIIxKHf26YEEdcVTlCbIDRYKQaJtJUqxWXYSbpq4SSCbyZqDNfuQjdXwABKQA7sy5DozY7Ztn/s97mTGPP86K8TjQmhaiRiwBJFxOFAh7G04A0NzOC8bLcoZJkYIhvx19/Ggyfm4imtVA/AS8vCaPdlA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Kwp9F0c9Evp9dDioxzoYU7vtznpOy0p2TJCW7rFvF8eNfatni4DfMJi9lJR3FG5Ar1m62+2IQSWS3FwQYn7zc+okIMpaCH3kTopIkFit254UcnjG2FcoulM9Wq17W7N7TABD9KOB3yITacUJosHB1jtHuwF4DkPJIuLRUk4uu94= Message-ID: <9e0440a60707130515tfd2e27fl8fae2924dba59539@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:15:36 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gigspam: The tale of 2 duos - LIVE and in creative stirring color MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31551_15742401.1184328936522" Resent-Message-ID: <2Si2EB.A.tY.qz2lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:15:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31551_15742401.1184328936522 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for your patience with the gigspam but for those in the NY area, see below.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jim Goodin Date: Jul 12, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: The tale of 2 duos - LIVE and in creative stirring color To: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com Exciting news and tidings to all on the *Jim Goodin Music E-list...* I have several shows coming up including a late add that takes place this weekend in Brooklyn, with I'm very excited to say a return of my *East of Where * duo project with percussionist/drummer *Will Romano*. We'll be doing a special outdoors performance this *Sunday (July 15th)*, from 12noon to 1:45 at the *Pacific Bears Community Garden *and Block Party which will be honoring a special member Ellen Kirby. The *East of Where* show and afternoon event are open to the public and takes place at... *Pacific Bears Garden between Flatbush and Fourth Avenue, located at 590 Pacific Street, Brooklyn, NY 11217* should you want to MapQuest. The R-train is the nearest subway. *Chinapainting northeast tour...* ** My other duo *Chinapainting *that I co-founded with guitarist/loop artist *Daryl Shawn * is coming together for 4 special 'in-person' shows at the end of this month and August. I say * in-person* as Chinapainting was founded and developed totally over the Internet the last 10 months by Daryl and myself who connected via a Net forum on new music technology last summer. Though we've never officially met or spoken we have performed and recorded 200+ hours of music, all improvised live with nothing more to go on than hearing each other through speakers and headphones. The technology we use that allows Daryl who lives in Mexico and myself here in New York to create the music of Chinapainting thusfar is called *NinJam* *.* We have released two CD's, the self-titled Chinapainting and the recent *Trick of Amethyst* , recorded in participation of the RPM (Record a CD in a month) Challenge . I'm estatic that this duo is coming together live and 'in person' here in the New York area in just a few days. The Chinapainting show schedule is as follows... *Center for Improvised Music * *Friday, July 27th, 8:30pm, $8 at the door.* *295 Douglass (btwn 3rd & 4th avenues)* *Brooklyn (Park Slope) NY* ** *Secret Music Radio Interview/Performance * *hosted by Scott Raymond* *Sunday, July 29th, @10am (hearable in Hudson Valley region)* *Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY* ** *The Space * *Tuesday, August 7th, 9pm* *295 Treadwell* *Hamden (New Haven), CT* ** *Zebulon Cafe Concerts * *Wednesday, August 15th, 10pm* *288 Wythe* *Brooklyn (Williamsburg), NY* *this show also features visual artist Paul Bianca * *improvising on canvas on stage* *as we improvise our music* *additionally sitarist Roger Lipson * *will open the evening with a solo set of raga* *and other creations* ** In addition to the performances Chinapainting will be recording our 3rd CD, this time in the same room as opposed to 3000 miles apart, at *Fly Max Studios *in Woodstock, NY during the weekend of July 28th and 29th. **So if you are out and about in Brooklyn this Sunday please stop by to hear the *East of Where * project at the Pacific Bears Community event and equally remember all the upcoming *Chinapainting *shows. I really hope to see many of you at any and all of these upcoming events. Good weekend and best to all Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com East of Where on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/eastofwhere The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_31551_15742401.1184328936522 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for your patience with the gigspam but for those in the NY area, see below....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jim Goodin < jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
Date: Jul 12, 2007 9:53 PM
Subject: The tale of 2 duos - LIVE and in creative stirring color
To: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com

Exciting news and tidings to all on the Jim Goodin Music E-list...
 
I have several shows coming up including a late add that takes place this weekend in Brooklyn, with I'm very excited to say a return of my East of Where duo project with percussionist/drummer Will Romano.  We'll be doing a special outdoors performance this Sunday (July 15th), from 12noon to 1:45 at the Pacific Bears Community Garden and Block Party which will be honoring a special member Ellen Kirby.
 
The East of Where show and afternoon event are open to the public and takes place at...
 
Pacific Bears Garden between Flatbush and Fourth Avenue, located at 590 Pacific Street, Brooklyn, NY 11217 should you want to MapQuest.  The R-train is the nearest subway.

Chinapainting northeast tour...
 
My other duo Chinapainting that I co-founded with guitarist/loop artist Daryl Shawn is coming together for 4 special 'in-person' shows at the end of this month and August.  I say in-person as Chinapainting was founded and developed totally over the Internet the last 10 months by Daryl and myself who connected via a Net forum on new music technology last summer.  Though we've never officially met or spoken we have performed and recorded 200+ hours of music, all improvised live with nothing more to go on than hearing each other through speakers and headphones.  The technology we use that allows Daryl who lives in Mexico and myself here in New York to create the music of Chinapainting thusfar is called NinJam.   We have released two CD's, the self-titled Chinapainting and the recent Trick of Amethyst , recorded in participation of the RPM (Record a CD in a month) Challenge .
 
I'm estatic that this duo is coming together live and 'in person' here in the New York area in just a few days.  The Chinapainting show schedule is as follows...
 
Friday, July 27th, 8:30pm, $8 at the door.
295 Douglass (btwn 3rd & 4th avenues)
Brooklyn (Park Slope) NY
 
hosted by Scott Raymond
Sunday, July 29th, @10am (hearable in Hudson Valley region)
Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY
 
Tuesday, August 7th, 9pm
295 Treadwell
Hamden (New Haven), CT
 
Wednesday, August 15th, 10pm
288 Wythe
Brooklyn (Williamsburg), NY
this show also features visual artist Paul Bianca
improvising on canvas on stage
as we improvise our music
additionally sitarist Roger Lipson
will open the evening with a solo set of raga
and other creations
 
In addition to the performances Chinapainting will be recording our 3rd CD, this time in the same room as opposed to 3000 miles apart, at Fly Max Studios in Woodstock, NY during the weekend of July 28th and 29th.
 
So if you are out and about in Brooklyn this Sunday please stop by to hear the East of Where project at the Pacific Bears Community event and equally remember all the upcoming Chinapainting shows.  I really hope to see many of you at any and all of these upcoming events.
 
Good weekend and best to all
 
 
Jim
--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
East of Where on My Space -
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_31551_15742401.1184328936522-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:31:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C1333BF6B; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f201c7c549$ac3c0e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Pirhanha Guitar Bow Review Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:31:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Well, the Pirhanha bow invention designed specifically for guitars that was mentioned in the "Re: bows for guitars" thread came in the mail today and I was able to put it through it's paces on a 12 string acoustic steel string guitar. Because of it's size I could not get long bowing techniques (like dragging a cello bow across the E string of an electric guitar) but I was able to get some really beautiful rhythmic things out of it. Additionally, it did beautiful things to the harmonics of the guitar depending on where I bowed it, physically. I was also delighted by some of the very ethereal sounds I was able to make by bowing very, very lightly. I got some very magical sounds out of some very simple chordal patterns.........really ethereal sounds that I"ve never gotten out of this particular guitar ( a 12 string Hummingbird copy that sounds rather nice). I have yet to try it on electric. It didn't seem to have enough muster to use on bass. I tried it on my Turner acoustic electric fretless without much good result and my Fender P-J custom bass, again, without much good effect. Tomorrow when I have some time, I"ll put it through it's paces on mandolin, bowed psaltery, autoharp, oud, saz and even hammer dulcimer. I imagine it will sound great. I also noticed that it seems really durable, unlike most horse hair bows which get trashed over time when bowing a guitar. All in all, it sounds completely different than I anticipated but I was so pleased with what I discovered it can do that I"m very, very happy to have spent $30 USD on it. Warning, it really takes some coordination to get something musical out of it, but after half an hour I was able to do all kinds of things, espeicially in the rhythmic world..........and it really sounded 'bowed'. Now, if they would just make a larger one for bass guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 12:42:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB8F63BF6D; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f601c7c54b$3fb87220$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: please forgive me but I had to share this Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:42:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=1.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,STOX_REPLY_TYPE, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on mail.cruzio.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:42:24 +0000 (UTC) GONKS GO BEAT a 1965 movie with great footage of the Graham Bond Organization with John McLaughlin, Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Dick Heckstall-Smith, Lulu and Graham Bond. http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7vlaA-H-dU&mode=related&search= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 13:41:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C33103BF5A; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:40:08 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-reply-to: <633016.1184014719950.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <469780B8.6080404@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> <633016.1184014719950.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:41:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a great topic. I'm glad it is being discussed. I'm a few days behind at reading this list so I hope I'm not just rehashing ground already covered. Rev Fever wrote: >> But the restaurants etc are mainly billed for using the music, not >> only the actual copy of the recording of the music. Those are two >> different rights, normally owned by composer/publisher and record label. > You again make a very good point, Thanx for that. > But, I still do not see how a place's profits are verifiably > "increased" for them featuring recordings, or cover tunes being played > live, and why they should be "billed" for doing so? Have you ever been to a grocery store that doesn't play music? Probably not. There's a reason for that. It is a proven fact that people buy more food at a grocery store if there's music playing. They buy even more if the music uplifts the publics mood. Therefore, there is a direct link between playing music and increased profits. This can be extrapolated to almost any environment. This is why BMI and ASCAP license music to businesses. It is perfectly within their legal domain to do this. Regarding establishments that hire live music: A friend of mine played piano at a small establishment in Columbus, Ohio. He was allowed only to play music that is in the public domain because the owner did not want to pay for a license from BMI or ASCAP. Eugene desperately wanted to play Dave Brubeck's music in order to make the job as fun as possible. So he wrote to Brubeck himself and received written permission to play his music royalty free at this particular establishment! Regarding businesses that get caught using music without paying for a license: I'm willing to bet that it is not generally known that this is required. After all, many of us on this list are being enlightened by this discussion and we're *in* the biz. Your average Joe Blow business owner who knows nothing about the music biz will have no idea. When BMI and ASCAP go into a place, my guess is that they use a heavy hand and issue a cease and desist order as a means to educate the business owner. Some people react by paying fines and sign up for a license. Some people negotiate away the fines and start paying for a license. Some people just get so pissed off that they fire their entertainment out of spite. A good business person with a level head will take the time to assess the situation's financial implications and act accordingly. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 14:35:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 590293BF70; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:34:26 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: A/B listening tests In-reply-to: <169091.1184051852205.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46978D72.6050208@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> <169091.1184051852205.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Bill Fox schrieb: >> Speaking of A/B testing, according to what I've read, the difference >> between 16 and 24 bit digital can be heard much more easily than the >> difference between 44.1kHz and 192kHz. > That means you read it and believe it? Actually, in this particular case, I do and here's why. Recording at the higher sampling frequencies eat up far more more memory than increased bit depth and increases system costs. Then you have to down sample to 44.1 in order to release product which requires expensive software to do right. (Why not record at 176.4kHz and avoid the high end software?) It behooves the hardware and software industry to convince us that 16bit/192kHz is superior to 24bit/44.1kHz. (Of course 24bit/192kHz is even better!) Since the 24bit/44.1kHz supposedly sounds better and costs me less, I'll go that way. I have also spoken to industry people who confirm the increased bit depth is a far more audible improvement than increased sample frequency. I have not heard the other system nor do I have a room where I could hear the difference so I can't speak from personal experience. However, the golden ears in the industry who say that you need 192kHz all seem to have a stake in its success. There is just as much physics at work when increasing and linearizing dynamic range. As an engineer who believes in the Nyquist theorem and as an over 50 year old male who (as I've read) can't hear much above 12kHz, I see no reason to go to 192kHz, especially when most listening environments are far less than ideal and most people are only going to be listening to a crappy MP3 file anyway. A higher sampling frequency gives you a wider frequency response that I supposedly can't hear. Increased bit depth reduces the noise floor and decreases distortion due to LSB errors. In any digital system, distortion goes up as you approach the lowest volumes. These are things that I *can* hear. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 14:41:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C39D3BF6E; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <54520.167.83.10.20.1184337683.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <46978D72.6050208@soundscapes.us> References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> <169091.1184051852205.JavaMail.root@m11> <46978D72.6050208@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: A/B listening tests From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Ahh for the days when folks had no problems with noisy analog.... > Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> Bill Fox schrieb: >>> Speaking of A/B testing, according to what I've read, the difference >>> between 16 and 24 bit digital can be heard much more easily than the >>> difference between 44.1kHz and 192kHz. >> That means you read it and believe it? > Actually, in this particular case, I do and here's why. Recording at > the higher sampling frequencies eat up far more more memory than > increased bit depth and increases system costs. Then you have to down > sample to 44.1 in order to release product which requires expensive > software to do right. (Why not record at 176.4kHz and avoid the high > end software?) It behooves the hardware and software industry to > convince us that 16bit/192kHz is superior to 24bit/44.1kHz. (Of course > 24bit/192kHz is even better!) Since the 24bit/44.1kHz supposedly sounds > better and costs me less, I'll go that way. I have also spoken to > industry people who confirm the increased bit depth is a far more > audible improvement than increased sample frequency. I have not heard > the other system nor do I have a room where I could hear the difference > so I can't speak from personal experience. However, the golden ears in > the industry who say that you need 192kHz all seem to have a stake in > its success. There is just as much physics at work when increasing and > linearizing dynamic range. As an engineer who believes in the Nyquist > theorem and as an over 50 year old male who (as I've read) can't hear > much above 12kHz, I see no reason to go to 192kHz, especially when most > listening environments are far less than ideal and most people are only > going to be listening to a crappy MP3 file anyway. > > A higher sampling frequency gives you a wider frequency response that I > supposedly can't hear. Increased bit depth reduces the noise floor and > decreases distortion due to LSB errors. In any digital system, > distortion goes up as you approach the lowest volumes. These are things > that I *can* hear. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 14:44:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C02F53BF83; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:43:19 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-reply-to: <20363353.1184088959206.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46978F87.3020103@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> <20363353.1184088959206.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <8Zw7VB.A.N-B.y-4lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Jon Southwood wrote: > It's primarily a matter of "atmosphere." Why choose one bar over > another, assuming they have the same beers available? Prices? Sure, > but in a competitive market, those are going to be relatively close. A > larger deciding factor for many is going to be the atmosphere. The > music piped over the myoozak system or performed live is going to help > people decided which bar to go to. That music can also have an effect > on how much time a person or group of people stay in the > establishment. The longer they stay, the more they're likely to spend. You're spot on. After my Classic Rock covers band played a certain establishment for the first time, the staff told us that all the other acts lost the corwd after their first set. We kept a small crowd until our last note died away. We've already been asked back for a third gig. > Ultimately, if the aural atmosphere had no impact on a restaurant or a > bar, they wouldn't bother to pay bands to play or even bother to wire > the place for sound. Who needs the expense and hassle? A bar owner's > magnanimity toward local musicians will usually only last as long as > their business benefits from the relationship. There are few who feel > an altruistic drive to support local music(ians), business survival be > damned. That's right. If we don't sell beer, we're no good to them. And I bet you thought of yourselves as musicians! Nope, you're beer salesmen! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 15:50:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8F753BF68; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:50:12 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Gigspam: The tale of 2 duos - LIVE and in creative stirring color In-reply-to: <9e0440a60707130515tfd2e27fl8fae2924dba59539@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <029701c7c565$7fc7d580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_TbFenOK60SNPQDhyiEl7yg)" Thread-index: AcfFR59XrQn1tQN1T2O/gmhYoiO8vwAG/73A References: <9e0440a60707130515tfd2e27fl8fae2924dba59539@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:50:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_TbFenOK60SNPQDhyiEl7yg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable You can count on me for one of the Brooklyn shows (I=92m actually about = =BD-way between Brooklyn and Woodstock). =20 Warren =20 --Boundary_(ID_TbFenOK60SNPQDhyiEl7yg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

You can count on me for one of the Brooklyn shows (I’m actually about ½-way between Brooklyn and Woodstock).

 

Warren

 

--Boundary_(ID_TbFenOK60SNPQDhyiEl7yg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 16:07:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 379903BF1F; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YMLm5YkEYn97mt06XVsIYrmroO903p/ARnBZZEIH+XMKgcNaiTkdzRcWTNgd4DmB4MfpQARk1zWbsb0CWHXKcHSq8SIunTfbQ0lDYj8idYIsELi3/ipY6/E25yAFuj2MAaL3Szvv7OqLG2QHsLS7xxjbgQylGxwtjSFmY4BFXFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tKXA5K+A7/GC27b8Di5wdqBT/anl65bSL1JmG8AwQcdWV2DwIFm4v+B5IG6vGiPHT7//LGcmx6maWf1yAWE4NW6qS4NEMOijMJmv0N2HCwYojr3AvUVVD3sxHuddunHKPmQMTKPjm5TTI21XvligeDNmweX1yVKVxwzW5/VJfbY= Message-ID: <9e0440a60707130907r6ebabc77g6730b259f1f523cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:07:55 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gigspam: The tale of 2 duos - LIVE and in creative stirring color In-Reply-To: <029701c7c565$7fc7d580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35071_12156069.1184342875521" References: <9e0440a60707130515tfd2e27fl8fae2924dba59539@mail.gmail.com> <029701c7c565$7fc7d580$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:07:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35071_12156069.1184342875521 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Warren thanks so much. That's a big amount of in between though Sir for yo= u to come down to Brooklyn but would be very cool of you, thank you! Please let me know if you need any directions. Best Jim On 7/13/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > You can count on me for one of the Brooklyn shows (I'm actually about > =BD-way between Brooklyn and Woodstock). > > > > Warren > > > --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_35071_12156069.1184342875521 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Warren thanks so much.  That's a big amount of in between tho= ugh Sir for you to come down to Brooklyn but would be very cool of you, tha= nk you!  Please let me know if you need any directions.
 
Best
 
Jim

 
On 7/13/07, = Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsde= signs.com> wrote:

You can count on me for one of the = Brooklyn shows (I'm actually about =BD-way between Brooklyn and Woodstock).=

 

Warren


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C= hinapainting -
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N= ew Land Music -=20 http://www.newlandmusic.com=20 ------=_Part_35071_12156069.1184342875521-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 16:53:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5B873BF67; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004001c7c56e$40438630$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <22127061.1183751558174.JavaMail.root@m11> <4691B60B.4070309@soundscapes.us> <169091.1184051852205.JavaMail.root@m11> <46978D72.6050208@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: A/B listening tests Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:52:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18IyeR4TTJXelGFYQU+o80dbP7jcWyfk+ufihv 8taVhCEhsA/MoIUfwIN242VIViPN4bCde0reIcbw8YUGkZftVY tGJ9SPSh8E81qXrJMOyTEAHgOv3/uqI Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) hello bill, you write: In any digital system, distortion goes up as you approach the lowest volumes. i am curious and would like to experience that. any suggestion for a setup to experience this? (equiment: pc into tc konnekt into sennheiser hd 25, 39 year old male o) ) are you talking about actual distortion, like in: oops, the red lights went on? or change of sound color? or is it the kind of warbling noise that comes up if you sample something soft and turn up the volume? tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Fox" To: Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: A/B listening tests > Stefan Tiedje wrote: >> Bill Fox schrieb: >>> Speaking of A/B testing, according to what I've read, the difference >>> between 16 and 24 bit digital can be heard much more easily than the >>> difference between 44.1kHz and 192kHz. >> That means you read it and believe it? > Actually, in this particular case, I do and here's why. Recording at the > higher sampling frequencies eat up far more more memory than increased bit > depth and increases system costs. Then you have to down sample to 44.1 in > order to release product which requires expensive software to do right. > (Why not record at 176.4kHz and avoid the high end software?) It behooves > the hardware and software industry to convince us that 16bit/192kHz is > superior to 24bit/44.1kHz. (Of course 24bit/192kHz is even better!) > Since the 24bit/44.1kHz supposedly sounds better and costs me less, I'll > go that way. I have also spoken to industry people who confirm the > increased bit depth is a far more audible improvement than increased > sample frequency. I have not heard the other system nor do I have a room > where I could hear the difference so I can't speak from personal > experience. However, the golden ears in the industry who say that you > need 192kHz all seem to have a stake in its success. There is just as > much physics at work when increasing and linearizing dynamic range. As an > engineer who believes in the Nyquist theorem and as an over 50 year old > male who (as I've read) can't hear much above 12kHz, I see no reason to go > to 192kHz, especially when most listening environments are far less than > ideal and most people are only going to be listening to a crappy MP3 file > anyway. > > A higher sampling frequency gives you a wider frequency response that I > supposedly can't hear. Increased bit depth reduces the noise floor and > decreases distortion due to LSB errors. In any digital system, distortion > goes up as you approach the lowest volumes. These are things that I *can* > hear. > > Cheers, > > Bill > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 16:57:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98D5D3BF6D; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-109--120739755 Message-Id: <907EEF3D-96AA-48EA-95B6-3C44BE6BDF5D@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: question about guitar lessons Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:41:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:57:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-109--120739755 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed if it hasn't been said, the william leavitt berklee series is great. On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i know there are a few guitar players on this list and i was > wondering if anyone could recomend a good beginners guitar > course.....i have offered to teach begining guitar at my community > center and rather than pass on my mistakes i would like to offer a > good experience for the kiddies.....and this is totally on topic > because all of these little crumb crushers will become loopers, so > there!.....thnaks in advance and please reply of list.....michael > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio --Apple-Mail-109--120739755 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII if it hasn't been said, the = william leavitt berklee series is great.

On Jul 10, 2007, = at 12:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com = wrote:

i know there are a few = guitar players on this list and i was wondering if anyone could recomend = a good beginners guitar course.....i have offered to teach begining = guitar at my community center and rather than pass on my mistakes i = would like to offer a good experience for the kiddies.....and this is = totally on topic because all of these little crumb crushers will become = loopers, so there!.....thnaks in advance and please reply of = list.....michael



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= --Apple-Mail-109--120739755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:30:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E65A63BF19; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4883.65.160.58.233.1184347849.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ultracool Effects for sale. Frostwave, EH, SIB, etc. From: legion@helpwantedproductions.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, digitalhell@hyperreal.org, analogue@hyperreal.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:30:51 +0000 (UTC) 1. SIB Nick Nitro - Fuzz/Octaver. Two independent effects and stomp switches, four knobs, Mint bright yellow tanklike box. Info: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2004/Nick-Nitro.html Asking: $75 2. DOD Meatbox - SubHarmonic Bass Enhancer stompbox from the 90s series where they had cute names and discontiued every cool box right away. Excellent+ in Box with papers and sticker for an KKKollectors out there. Asking: $75 3. EH Tube Zipper - 2X tube driver Autowah/Distortion/Vibrato/Filter/Sound-F%^#$erUpper. Mike Mathews calls this "the greatest product we've introduced in over 20 years" and if you're into effects with some depth to them that might be right. Good shape with original weird EH PS. "Moving filters" indeed... Info: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM01/Content/Electro-Harmonix/PR/Tube-Zipper.html Asking: $150.00 4. EH Wiggler - 2X tube driven awesome Vibrato/Tremelo vintage sounding stompbox with some new twists. GORGEOUS tone and lots of control. Cool for spacey sounds as much as traditional ones. Good shape with EH PS. Asking: $125.00 5. Frostwave Funk-A-Duck - Very impolite filter mashing AutoWah from hell (or Australia if you make a distinction). Like most frostwave devices This is more an advanced effect for those who don't get scared easily. VERY cool secret weapon effect for processing pretty much anything. MIB with US http://www.frostwave.com/funkaduck/ PS. Asking: $175 6. Frostwave Spacebeam - Paul once told me he always wanted to make something that sounded like a refrigerator name so he did :). This is a Boutique optical thermin that sounds Smoooooooth and sweet unlike any other that I've heard. CV/Gate outs to control other synths or modular gear, volume, and variable waveform. Excellent shape with US PS. http://www.frostwave.com/spacebeam/ Asking: $275 Buyer pays shipping or pick up in Phila Pa. Paypal from confirmed addresses fine. I think all prices are fair but if you want more than one or have some super deal/serious offer let me know. I might be interested in trades for equally esoteric FX or synth/weird instruments. Have been curious about a Moog Ring modulator for a bit or Frostwave Blue Ringer/ Sonic Alienator, etc. Also Cyndustries/Modcan modules. Thanks! D_ ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:39:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782543BF30; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4697C455.7000003@pa.msu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:28:37 -0500 From: John McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> <633016.1184014719950.JavaMail.root@m11> <469780B8.6080404@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <469780B8.6080404@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Bill Fox wrote: > Regarding establishments that hire live music: A friend of mine played > piano at a small establishment in Columbus, Ohio. He was allowed only > to play music that is in the public domain because the owner did not > want to pay for a license from BMI or ASCAP. Eugene desperately > wanted to play Dave Brubeck's music in order to make the job as fun as > possible. So he wrote to Brubeck himself and received written > permission to play his music royalty free at this particular > establishment! I do not know for sure, but I suspect that that was not legal. My guess is that when Brubeck signed with a publishing company, he signed away his control, and the publishing company would need to be the one to waive the royalty. Or perhaps it would have to be the performance right company (e.g., BMI or ASCAP). Does someone with more knowledge than I know for sure? John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:44:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 926083BF6D; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:44:07 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: <4697C455.7000003@pa.msu.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFdLprZ+GTgCPhSCqLT+4q2yWKYwAAEhwQ From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: <7yAwc.A.L_F.pn7lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:44:09 +0000 (UTC) It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and junk)? If that isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut down or fined on a regular basis? Hell, in Texas even the acts that do mostly originals do 30% to 40% covers. -----Original Message----- From: John McIntyre [mailto:mcintyre@pa.msu.edu]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Bill Fox wrote: > Regarding establishments that hire live music: A friend of mine played > piano at a small establishment in Columbus, Ohio. He was allowed only > to play music that is in the public domain because the owner did not=20 > want to pay for a license from BMI or ASCAP. Eugene desperately=20 > wanted to play Dave Brubeck's music in order to make the job as fun as > possible. So he wrote to Brubeck himself and received written=20 > permission to play his music royalty free at this particular=20 > establishment!=20 I do not know for sure, but I suspect that that was not legal. My guess is that when Brubeck signed with a publishing company, he signed away=20 his control, and the publishing company would need to be the one to=20 waive the royalty. Or perhaps it would have to be the performance right company (e.g., BMI or ASCAP). Does someone with more knowledge than I=20 know for sure? John McIntyre mcintyre@pa.msu.edu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:48:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D622C3BF27; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <002301c7c575$f9135df0$4001a8c0@mini> From: "CV" To: References: <907EEF3D-96AA-48EA-95B6-3C44BE6BDF5D@fuse.net> Subject: Re: question about guitar lessons Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:48:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:48:04 +0000 (UTC) naaa come on!! the leavitt book are great for commited adults, eventually, but not for kiddies please, there should exist less boring presented material!!!! and btw the leawitt books are false beginners book. Claude (guitar teacher for more than 25 years...) > if it hasn't been said, the william leavitt berklee series is great. > On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > >> i know there are a few guitar players on this list and i was >> wondering if anyone could recomend a good beginners guitar >> course.....i have offered to teach begining guitar at my community >> center and rather than pass on my mistakes i would like to offer a >> good experience for the kiddies.....and this is totally on topic >> because all of these little crumb crushers will become loopers, so >> there!.....thnaks in advance and please reply of list.....michael >> >> >> >> www.ct-collective.com >> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ >> http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 >> >> >> >> ************************************** >> See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ric hordinski > > www.richordinski.com > > www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic > > www.myspace.com/monasterystudio > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:48:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B7E3BF79; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BHGm84EXnVE3SqiUefWo9RX5tZz9wZiT+5cVN670yRbxaECeWBnr0pbYuWIlRd8d7VSISPyx8JKfjpyW2R+MPeY4hCqsEDw8PRk6AsAFZg/X99u5tjYAIwiHabAIUljTdbJzRvGNt24pgi+CjLVtFkhY80ONGsvIeIrHfwgY3Os= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JxZnqsyO9CTCh0ldNbM8Fukytgnlbq3gT+6osT3o8epXhvqO3VJ/VE9E+Fu3GRHSkobObLBc30p1L6dCmiuEtEsAwWBNByg2dbgrqX0TDFxxsE9olg/R583BsyTUPlUo0uYsZT9IkXw02rodtjaYpeQfEbawGjpRPRlgk5kwo7w= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:48:38 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4697C455.7000003@pa.msu.edu> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music not covered by either of those organizations. It is the responsibility of the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the performer to secure such a license. TH On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP > sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and junk)? If that > isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut down or fined on > a regular basis? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:54:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67F693BF66; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:54:33 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53E@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFdgvDV6B6TlGJSUClY8HbEu/aVwAAD4cw From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: <117ZcD.A.5wG.ax7lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Interesting. I've been touring and playing over 100 different venues in Texas, OK, LA, and AR over the last four years and never once played in an actual BMI or ASCAP licensed venue to my knowledge. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music not covered by either of those organizations. It is the responsibility of the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the performer to secure such a license. TH On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP=20 > sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and junk)? If that=20 > isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut down or fined=20 > on a regular basis? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:57:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AFB73BF1E; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p9LTuy7JPK6IfgFlkAExcPGYijCX9MGvKzEb9UfaZ7B+pwl/sXw8HlXMYq37GA4NT+NeNekUOTvjaWPIuo5+nSTe7bVALKMU3BZ1GinxpeAjtRKSFMH3z+ZAAzeomymy+JrnzTcOWuzsFlIUGz9N9e3UZH6CHAdAtUf0URE4PmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=I10pOePamF3KAYTdbz1GEOb9fy3ClVbwr09L6dRmbpPd5uVtgykO+pcIasrT+rP6u93NrSDiYZQl6UasCeJIjrMIqPEpBlpTA6fs6gATJgXGX5jK255X/BCx0Y8LHnlS+DWW0m90nsLvYjEscNtmxBU1AMH1IN7r93m3YXlY+3A= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:57:45 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53E@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_48272_11215405.1184349465787" References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53E@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:57:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_48272_11215405.1184349465787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You might not know: the coffeehouse I ran was forced to buy an ASCAP license for music on Friday night. But I didn't discuss it with the performers -- why would I? On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > > Interesting. I've been touring and playing over 100 different venues in > Texas, OK, LA, and AR over the last four years and never once played in > an actual BMI or ASCAP licensed venue to my knowledge. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid > > > Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP > licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music not > covered by either of those organizations. It is the responsibility of > the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the performer to secure > such a license. TH > > On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > > It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP > > sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and junk)? If that > > isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut down or fined > > on a regular basis? > > ------=_Part_48272_11215405.1184349465787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You might not know: the coffeehouse I ran was forced to buy an ASCAP license for music on Friday night. But I didn't discuss it with the performers -- why would I?




On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> wrote:
Interesting.  I've been touring and playing over 100 different venues in
Texas, OK, LA, and AR over the last four years and never once played in
an actual BMI or ASCAP licensed venue to my knowledge.

-----Original Message-----
From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:49 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid


Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP
licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music not
covered by either of those organizations.  It is the responsibility of
the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the performer to secure
such a license. TH

On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> wrote:
> It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP
> sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and junk)?  If that
> isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut down or fined
> on a regular basis?


------=_Part_48272_11215405.1184349465787-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 17:59:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DBC33BF7C; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oYGWKjID4A83dNJCgHAYaCreUl6JQ+Bb2NCq3LDa9ELE4/aP5urU/0CTMPgewpk3RjI6ar3UeosT7phYVmTXTHZCNelW0JpEeIMAG0+KqVSnRfiknhkwunVib/qo0TSVfb2nArsysc7mrpUDX9RMBcuHJb+tEKhV4TJePUcU53g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MvT9Uu1zoQ5s8cb1iXWfH1w7B/FzyfdyKg3+7xu5fgKmJb71U0WWST6VAKnH+Wu8Hxva0wuggwVeg/kb4zkdPUXlwFT/ZxbQX6kMZrGx1NQM0S5SuCAh+zC2y7YAMWpkdMuCyNwSJCF0OChJ32k4ZsIwEcXXpNWBhemjUPRHagI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:59:56 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53E@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53E@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:59:58 +0000 (UTC) It's not like they're required to hang a sign up telling you about it. TH On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > Interesting. I've been touring and playing over 100 different venues in > Texas, OK, LA, and AR over the last four years and never once played in > an actual BMI or ASCAP licensed venue to my knowledge. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:01:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C1033BF91; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C577.C591357B" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53F@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFd1J+HbyBOXwLRPSpHmbUAZWs5AAAFD0Q From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: <_3wX_D.A.KaH.d37lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:01:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C577.C591357B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most people don't have their music registered with both. As an artist wouldn't you want to know who's flag you were flying under on any given night? -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:skcoyle@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid =09 =09 You might not know: the coffeehouse I ran was forced to buy an ASCAP license for music on Friday night. But I didn't discuss it with the performers -- why would I?=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote:=20 Interesting. I've been touring and playing over 100 different venues in Texas, OK, LA, and AR over the last four years and never once played in an actual BMI or ASCAP licensed venue to my knowledge. =09 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid =09 =09 Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music not covered by either of those organizations. It is the responsibility of=20 the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the performer to secure such a license. TH =09 On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP=20 > sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and junk)? If that > isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut down or fined > on a regular basis? =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C577.C591357B Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Most=20 people don't have their music registered with both.  As an artist = wouldn't=20 you want to know who's flag you were flying under on any given=20 night?
-----Original Message-----
From: = Kelly Coyle=20 [mailto:skcoyle@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 = 12:58=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Composers should also get paid

You might not know: = the=20 coffeehouse I ran was forced to buy an ASCAP license for music on = Friday=20 night. But I didn't discuss it with the performers -- why would I?=20




On 7/13/07, Jim=20 Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> = wrote:
Interesting.  I've=20 been touring and playing over 100 different venues in
Texas, OK, = LA, and=20 AR over the last four years and never once played in
an actual = BMI or=20 ASCAP licensed venue to my knowledge.

-----Original = Message-----=20
From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]Sent:=20 Friday, July 13, 2007 12:49 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Composers should also get = paid


Venues which=20 feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP
licenses = unless=20 100% of the music performed there is original music not
covered = by either=20 of those organizations.  It is the responsibility of =
the venue=20 organizer (owner in this case) not the performer to secure
such a = license. TH

On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> = wrote:
>=20 It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP =
>=20 sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and = junk)?  If=20 that
> isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut = down or=20 fined
> on a regular=20 basis?


------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C577.C591357B-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:05:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275833BF8B; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CvJBRL5wqJ/k4e4Rc8K+7bTT5FxcqySNy+xc0Sj13vTQgCrMrg0s2D+B3ALT/iCKkm54ktSWCzSkttVr9BLRCpsj+b2N05VT4pg74wCSKmOB+pIWS/kwIedoBBmxvHqJJIOIONpm4bP7TZzgJpbdb+MEIIk1VrE1LlEvkSaRM8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S+1L/ne2AH8Qlii4hhVPgXb0zEax+Fqkl2dB0n7pQ0twQViLKuIwQfW+GhD0rctLIZdkvTl25B0D0my4f6lv8a1rdU/Uqldyq0hTfX7lgPhbrvBl2B0cMqZRbAN5cuF2rQYTiM3Vj993mRRsgtW1sXEd7qw8XQ6AKz51WL3Qj5o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:05:33 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53F@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53F@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <-GWKn.A.JxH.v77lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:05:36 +0000 (UTC) It doesn't really matter for the performer, in practical terms any live music venue is required to carry both licenses. Otherwise they'd have to verify that nothing played there was from the "wrong" performance rights organization that they hadn't purchased a license from. The ASCAP police aren't going to come rough you up--it's the venue they're going to get heavy with. TH On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > > > Most people don't have their music registered with both. As an artist > wouldn't you want to know who's flag you were flying under on any given > night? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:07:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C9753BF96; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D540@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFeGm9e7QeweboQnW+blG7AkV81gAACB3g From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because he wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. Just trying to get facts straight. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid It doesn't really matter for the performer, in practical terms any live music venue is required to carry both licenses. Otherwise they'd have to verify that nothing played there was from the "wrong" performance rights organization that they hadn't purchased a license from. The ASCAP police aren't going to come rough you up--it's the venue they're going to get heavy with. TH On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > > > Most people don't have their music registered with both. As an artist > wouldn't you want to know who's flag you were flying under on any=20 > given night? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:10:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8E783BF97; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CgIREOZbY4/jkvVQxIksD0McAyL7ZctXtARnm9W4zRdXVj1fODR7DG1BCwmqRvgxwjdERJeBTWeQaEgz5GEDlCWlf+WIFw3wHn3XeALVT6gYep14yxMZgjozjdLFM+GzuIs64KBS8KtwG+5lTxdFCHZRhlMHp2qSjksu0RCBzRg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nloiywCwq/jcXotNfHdSn04iHsQKwKSIH5id3/MACSdnCvdKkhYUyxwYwhDFq+kF+GbSR8SRP+J1bJmbXCvENvDFqa23ARC8d6BgNhVXVdYlJ3mUHOOYBLjz3BLYrzZh21/pZ/Lg5+utAJUauLFaGKdcBgOuDzUjSplfVgznEwc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:10:51 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53F@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:10:52 +0000 (UTC) I played at a coffee shop with my brother and we were strictly forbidden from playing any covers. Which, in a way, was pretty cool. :) We never had to worry that someone was going to complain that we didn't play 'popular' stuff. Tony On 7/13/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > It doesn't really matter for the performer, in practical terms any > live music venue is required to carry both licenses. Otherwise they'd > have to verify that nothing played there was from the "wrong" > performance rights organization that they hadn't purchased a license > from. The ASCAP police aren't going to come rough you up--it's the > venue they're going to get heavy with. > > TH > > On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > > > > > > Most people don't have their music registered with both. As an artist > > wouldn't you want to know who's flag you were flying under on any given > > night? > > -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFA223BF8E; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:13:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: References: <4697C455.7000003@pa.msu.edu> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070713181347.207873BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Actually the performer should register performances and set lists so that composers get the appropriate royalties for their work being used. A side benifit to this that most musicians don't seem to be aware of, is that if you do this you'll get royalties for performing your own music as well as the other composers Or at least that's the way it works here in Canada Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 01:48 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote: >Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP >licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music >not covered by either of those organizations. It is the >responsibility of the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the >performer to secure such a license. >TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:17:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BFA23BF9B; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:17:49 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D541@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: <20070713181347.207873BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFeZAIeA6FED5VTzC12s9ZnBZc3gAAH7KA From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:17:50 +0000 (UTC) Wow. That is very neat! Can anyone confirm that it's the same here in the states? -----Original Message----- From: paul [mailto:phaslem@wightman.ca]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:14 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Actually the performer should register performances and set lists so=20 that composers get the appropriate royalties for their work being=20 used. A side benifit to this that most musicians don't seem to be=20 aware of, is that if you do this you'll get royalties for performing=20 your own music as well as the other composers Or at least that's the way it works here in Canada Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 01:48 PM 7/13/2007, you wrote: >Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP=20 >licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music not >covered by either of those organizations. It is the responsibility of=20 >the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the performer to secure=20 >such a license. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:18:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F2DD3BFA2; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:18:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RVn3oFrzfkni0j7QBJFMzb2DXp8ErGaU8ycqPn4gfXJwadkU0pWS+aaYZJm3Q9xcyPKAsl49gOD9dIQQ74BLJAU6Hjrnpw+EkSlQvzoY7hRI8ravOIR1xp8YXto2wbHX3wMP0sbWEOniXXJNDTRuv7K+Vc3m51y95SMkEbX3pnk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Awhvp1YuoHwRvTtCZ+2btyngmVZTpUrBsMN2yekNx62lWGagB6ZN/feC1xEFDJ2SmtoluTcAPhi6C9FPgvV8wj1E+ff9ooMW+nNBDY0Osf/U1I7Fyx8jkj6wsNfe7+qVgM37Wsw4/OsWdqu+4/LaAn/0Zb3CvCTWm8+wdabwvcQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:18:25 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D540@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D540@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:18:26 +0000 (UTC) I'm not seeing that example--there was the earlier anecdote about a pianist who could only play public domain stuff and who thought he secured a one-off license from Brubeck, but I didn't see that got fired. TH On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because he > wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. Just trying > to get facts straight. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:21:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7ED03BFA5; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FhmjSOIi2vcYrRf6G3rv6P7JZJDJh7L9kMln/KS9FHiEH1xvzvASdiybHtOQXjKAVr/2+/PhgQbNkEulkPSbBs+hrvgs0NV5M36He+GnzAemUK17KOQxDEpYD63Gt3WTqRvadj/k3faD20lK94sBZBLxkVJB+uaYkoP3joKpsJg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MQ77BQDzBTksMluCpUrkAs5qD3eE7q534U3+KTDvwCw5xFSHxl9oxqFPbhHO8DBvsd348RWiDqWi5HZgOkCebhmnU7vzVQ84JrBOMmKrcjbZFulh+GGu3i/75/dyLP+gPl7R6lHqAxoCkv9ge6vLH4iMFwqiWac0p/sjKZrf1Wg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 11:21:02 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D541@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070713181347.207873BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D541@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:21:03 +0000 (UTC) I don't believe that's the way it works in the States. Radio stations maintain playlists which are used to calculate airplay royalties, but live performances are covered by the general PRO license from BMI/ASCAP. And the payment from that is the super-secret formula which translates to "Famous people with radio airplay get paid, everyone else is screwed". TH On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > Wow. That is very neat! Can anyone confirm that it's the same here in > the states? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:27:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7BC3BFAA; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:26:34 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-reply-to: <18234588.1184349102483.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4697C3DA.7080605@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <18234588.1184349102483.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <6TMb-C.A.lmB.eQ8lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Jim Bailey wrote: > It's my understanding that those rules only apply to BMI and ASCAP > sanctioned venues(mainly big venues and stadiums and junk)? If that > isn't the case wouldn't every house cover band be shut down or fined on > a regular basis? Hell, in Texas even the acts that do mostly originals > do 30% to 40% covers. If local bands had to pay the licensing fees, you'd be 100% correct. We couldn't afford them, the way they're calculated. At the low end of the scale, where we inhabit, it is the venue that must pay the fees. At the large end of the spectrum, the venue might not pay at all, forcing the artist to pay. But if you're the Rolling Stones or Paul McCartney, then you can afford it. BMI and ASCAP don't care who pays, just so long as the fee *is* paid in full. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 650083BFB4; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:28:43 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4697C455.7000003@pa.msu.edu> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:28:26 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP > licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music > not covered by either of those organizations. It is the > responsibility of the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the > performer to secure such a license. > TH Which is the reason a small bar local to me that has a lot of live music has a large sign on the side wall of the stage that reads "NO COVER SONGS. I will cut the PA off and your show is over if I hear a cover song." The owner doesn't pay these licenses, so he doesn't permit cover songs. (From memory, exact wording on the sign is probably different but the meaning is as above.) best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:31:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B6DA3BF55; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:30:22 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-reply-to: <542800.1184349102782.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4697C4BE.1040409@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <4697C455.7000003@pa.msu.edu> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D53D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> <542800.1184349102782.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP > licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music > not covered by either of those organizations. It is the > responsibility of the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the > performer to secure such a license. Even original music is covered by BMI or ASCAP, if the artist is a member of a PRO. Theoretically, you get back your fee since the music is your own, if statistical sampling makes you a blip on the PRO's radar. The venue gets out of paying only if 100% of the music is in the Public Domain or is by an artist who isn't a member of a PRO. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:34:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A10F3BFA9; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:33:40 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-reply-to: <6321908.1184350308269.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4697C584.7070903@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <6321908.1184350308269.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Jim Bailey wrote: > Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because he > wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. Just trying > to get facts straight. BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player. The venue did because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee plus performer pay weren't offset by increased profits. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:36:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32173BFB6; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Re: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:36:01 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D542@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFe5puFfFMIQWESJCmaRRPc+FNlgAACuOg From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Still interesting that I have never seen that sign or been told(or know of a band in this circuit that has been told in the same places) that I/they can't do cover songs. I can't remember the last time I saw an act not do a rendition of Sweet Home Alabama, Bown Eyed Girl, or another equally over requested song. I think that it might just be a case of the small bars not knowing or pretending not to know about the license requirements and rules knowing that the chance of them actually getting called out are slim to none. -----Original Message----- From: burnett@pobox.com [mailto:burnett@pobox.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Composers should also get paid On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Venues which feature live music are required to have BMI and ASCAP=20 > licenses unless 100% of the music performed there is original music=20 > not covered by either of those organizations. It is the=20 > responsibility of the venue organizer (owner in this case) not the=20 > performer to secure such a license. TH Which is the reason a small bar local to me that has a lot of live music has a large sign on the side wall of the stage that reads "NO COVER SONGS.=20 I will cut the PA off and your show is over if I hear a cover song." The owner doesn't pay these licenses, so he doesn't permit cover songs. (From memory, exact wording on the sign is probably different but the=20 meaning is as above.) best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:36:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADBDA3BFBB; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=F1cIDGFzaJ8IWFgKiHv8cP1vc4zXWNNsbsQka5enfR9lQ/OFCyVrII7EYfUQEnUQyxk4V5GbVA8NBtVzqy2CUZWYxXywkF162hw5PGMvcZ/tTUybvmslttqBacnCvGiKnd8Bd4O6YFdIuv7wdAvaLlhzpC9EC+cX6LV91K9GTio= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YvPZFG7MdgrSzUESMEXKJ8SUwfToqKxYatCmqc24QAWVnppNilVs+sbXBSq/in/rgmpF+3Uj41B9ZTS07Ftk+Rbqf9lZ8qQ9KOgCMbEJNtb9Sm7d2GrpS0sflNUX7ur8re42nX/z7gSRzxO+vRa7zz9wIQu3dd0agNnLQczh00M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D541@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> References: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D541@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1213AF20-A338-4A3E-B850-8F0576F70D87@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:36:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:36:25 +0000 (UTC) > A side benifit to this that most musicians don't seem to be > aware of, is that if you do this you'll get royalties for performing > your own music as well as the other composers > Or at least that's the way it works here in Canada > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca Yes, that's the way it works here in Sweden. And the performance rights collecting society I'm associated with here iSTIM) also collects internationally by collaborating with similar agencies in other territories. But it's easy to forget to report in when you have been out performing your own music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:40:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6D1B3BFC0; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:40:06 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D544@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: <4697C584.7070903@soundscapes.us> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFfHllwM5j9BoRSIyIVXfeMQV+FgAAEIzg From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Yeah. I'm sure his job was at least restructured because really...how many venues are going to feature "public domain" music and keep their clientele around that are used to hearing a living jukebox? Yes it was the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer to know that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down his gig? Lol. It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we are discussing here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best interest to REQUIRE their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls saying "BMI licensed venue" or something? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Jim Bailey wrote: > Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because=20 > he wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. Just=20 > trying to get facts straight. BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player. The venue did because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee plus=20 performer pay weren't offset by increased profits. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:42:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DEF63BFC3; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:41:03 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-reply-to: <18195096.1184348502454.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4697C73F.8000809@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <67A95795-FABB-4568-BF9F-9CADF28A8B9D@gmail.com> <633016.1184014719950.JavaMail.root@m11> <469780B8.6080404@soundscapes.us> <18195096.1184348502454.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:42:10 +0000 (UTC) John McIntyre wrote: > I do not know for sure, but I suspect that that was not legal. My > guess is that when Brubeck signed with a publishing company, he signed > away his control, and the publishing company would need to be the one > to waive the royalty. Or perhaps it would have to be the performance > right company (e.g., BMI or ASCAP). Does someone with more knowledge > than I know for sure? Not illegal but breaking a contract between Brubeck and his PRO? But who is going to argue with Dave Brubeck? If they did, Dave would have had to tell Eugene to stop. That never happened so either the PRO never got wind of it or nobody argued with Brubeck about it. Either way, it allowed Eugene to maximize his fun factor at the gig and placate the owner and, possibly, and PRO representative who dealt with the owner. But you're right. When you agree to be representaed by a PRO, certain rights are transferred to them for the duration of the contract. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 18:57:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F3C3BFA0; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XxZI6z65bPooaosQHZeNCEsCb0VZLOXHVXaKK/HiyRN1f9Wy2cjvOTqYm3N5s/McjRQP4uSEBTqYsGfD/bwFrrAMo9nqdYi7ApX9cOs8jVoLCrI+M6MoO/qJuPEfrydC2/p4FJoKBZ8k0ZG6JMOOUVYaqVtZ0DZlTqOojhUZsB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EM6cJkje4m4Zpe1knwKFwlpjUpOEDQ45Zw4amH/lSbnrhSH4OTd+R96TXW8KonRRn/SGy2ZMsgOmG9smxl6U5ubIN/Rthkm1AXxAUgw0Ms+FZsxld2fzCbOGPJ9BVzYLTBw3egYkgIigbO74QRGzU/QQN5y/TVdmdEtdZk3wFKs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:57:02 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D544@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49272_27477017.1184353022839" References: <4697C584.7070903@soundscapes.us> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D544@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49272_27477017.1184353022839 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing the "living jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously doubt any regular (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. We did it because we were kind of wide-eyed about the sort of place we wanted to be, that offered local folks a place to do their thing for other folks that wanted to hear it. If we had done the "no covers" thing, we would have had to book five performers a night to get three sets, probably. (This was in small-town Minnesota.) Ultimately, our performers were just regular people with regular day-jobs who played instruments when they got home from work, music they happened to like. The ASCAP heavy who visited -- I don't know. (Apparently, I can still get upset about it.) As far as I can tell, nobody's interests are served by this system -- it's like an evil plot to remove all delight from music. On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: > > Yeah. I'm sure his job was at least restructured because really...how > many venues are going to feature "public domain" music and keep their > clientele around that are used to hearing a living jukebox? Yes it was > the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer to know > that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down his gig? > Lol. > > It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we are discussing > here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best interest to REQUIRE > their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls saying "BMI licensed > venue" or something? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid > > > Jim Bailey wrote: > > Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because > > he wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. Just > > trying to get facts straight. > BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player. The venue did > > because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee plus > performer pay weren't offset by increased profits. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ------=_Part_49272_27477017.1184353022839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing the "living jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously doubt any regular (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. We did it because we were kind of wide-eyed about the sort of place we wanted to be, that offered local folks a place to do their thing for other folks that wanted to hear it. If we had done the "no covers" thing, we would have had to book five performers a night to get three sets, probably. (This was in small-town Minnesota.) Ultimately, our performers were just regular people with regular day-jobs who played instruments when they got home from work, music they happened to like. The ASCAP heavy who visited -- I don't know. (Apparently, I can still get upset about it.) As far as I can tell, nobody's interests are served by this system -- it's like an evil plot to remove all delight from music.







On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> wrote:
Yeah.  I'm sure his job was at least restructured because really...how
many venues are going to feature "public domain" music and keep their
clientele around that are used to hearing a living jukebox?  Yes it was
the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer to know
that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down his gig?
Lol.

It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we are discussing
here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best interest to REQUIRE
their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls saying "BMI licensed
venue" or something?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid


Jim Bailey wrote:
> Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because
> he wasn't informed.  Not trying to argumentative or anything.  Just
> trying to get facts straight.
BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player.  The venue did

because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee plus
performer pay weren't offset by increased profits.

Cheers,

Bill


------=_Part_49272_27477017.1184353022839-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:00:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6397A3BFAB; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C580.0FA53D1A" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:00:21 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D547@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Composers should also get paid Thread-Index: AcfFf5o58eV9MRnMRiquYfbpUOxfNAAAG4KA From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:00:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C580.0FA53D1A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agree. The current system is poo. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:skcoyle@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid =09 =09 I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing the "living jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously doubt any regular (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. We did it because we were kind of wide-eyed about the sort of place we wanted to be, that offered local folks a place to do their thing for other folks that wanted to hear it. If we had done the "no covers" thing, we would have had to book five performers a night to get three sets, probably. (This was in small-town Minnesota.) Ultimately, our performers were just regular people with regular day-jobs who played instruments when they got home from work, music they happened to like. The ASCAP heavy who visited -- I don't know. (Apparently, I can still get upset about it.) As far as I can tell, nobody's interests are served by this system -- it's like an evil plot to remove all delight from music.=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 =09 On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote:=20 Yeah. I'm sure his job was at least restructured because really...how many venues are going to feature "public domain" music and keep their clientele around that are used to hearing a living jukebox? Yes it was=20 the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer to know that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down his gig? Lol. =09 It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we are discussing=20 here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best interest to REQUIRE their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls saying "BMI licensed venue" or something? =09 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid =09 =09 Jim Bailey wrote: > Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because > he wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. Just=20 > trying to get facts straight. BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player. The venue did =09 because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee plus performer pay weren't offset by increased profits.=20 =09 Cheers, =09 Bill =09 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C580.0FA53D1A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Agree.  The current system is poo.
-----Original Message-----
From: = Kelly Coyle=20 [mailto:skcoyle@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:57 = PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 Composers should also get paid

I can only speak = for my own=20 establishment, but we were providing the "living jukeboxes" = more-or-less as a=20 public service -- I seriously doubt any regular (i.e., small) = coffeehouse can=20 recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. We did it because we were kind of = wide-eyed=20 about the sort of place we wanted to be, that offered local folks a = place to=20 do their thing for other folks that wanted to hear it. If we had done = the "no=20 covers" thing, we would have had to book five performers a night to = get three=20 sets, probably. (This was in small-town Minnesota.) Ultimately, our = performers=20 were just regular people with regular day-jobs who played instruments = when=20 they got home from work, music they happened to like. The ASCAP heavy = who=20 visited -- I don't know. (Apparently, I can still get upset about it.) = As far=20 as I can tell, nobody's interests are served by this system -- it's = like an=20 evil plot to remove all delight from music. =







On 7/13/07, Jim=20 Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> = wrote:
Yeah.  I'm=20 sure his job was at least restructured because really...how
many = venues=20 are going to feature "public domain" music and keep = their
clientele=20 around that are used to hearing a living jukebox?  Yes it = was=20
the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer = to=20 know
that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down = his=20 gig?
Lol.

It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we = are=20 discussing
here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best = interest to=20 REQUIRE
their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls = saying "BMI=20 licensed
venue" or something?

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]
S= ent:=20 Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid


Jim = Bailey=20 wrote:
> Well under the example given below the piano guy lost = HIS JOB=20 because
> he wasn't informed.  Not trying to = argumentative=20 or anything.  Just
> trying to get facts = straight.
BMI=20 or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player.  The = venue=20 did

because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or = the fee=20 plus
performer pay weren't offset by increased profits.=20 =

Cheers,

Bill


------_=_NextPart_001_01C7C580.0FA53D1A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:02:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2378E3BFC2; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZmkfBzXSS5WBjgr218XWO+CkaS1Z/ZHLkVNlnEFM2BBALZxcWRizdEn2Rrb6TjPEao8oL3yG7UQbImnGoMLvZ+4wHt56ixkH8UICH9Len3bD6nLscQ1ryI07SbE4rxumkXmHBQnoQzp7CQ5E1+E+sGbOOuqb5+g+Q7Efa0WuXc0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dbk5O1KUYINuutda1giAVMogoKZvAdWBaBtve5Q8PFlIXN9Opl6rrWDhAiVOU1pzeqMzc+3cIsiMhIfEYS2sapnwia+yBXzXm93Hs6ArFJlfzG4gvSFzthbMN88nWVN6JzbtccSDJSC/kIIG0Wz6PSydlaBEJ0/TokvdD0aWAi8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:02:03 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4697C584.7070903@soundscapes.us> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D544@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:02:05 +0000 (UTC) This topic came up in a Seattle mailing list recently, and it was determined that the yearly rate for your typical coffee house was just under a thousand dollars. Was that too much? How much were you paying for your license to play CD's? TH On 7/13/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing the "living > jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously doubt any regular > (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:22:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 255393BF83; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ePS3Vy30SQiOXkxEdYJpoCYWH/8PWYM611hS1g5nXP0YRN4XDDr00DPeII/OUDUPcfk8IOd69pWnDan5LDXQFtbigPbAFuZNOkrq+zIOxs74PIdTG2+GXrGzbmaROP4oGGQIF0twZbC0OuJCvPGak/KVX4puj6bKrngf7YjGVKQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=g9mvQT4bvCkY7M87ktSkaqJyq6x9VFGl8r7PNp5qJZL4uIH9EcaT7PeeOzPSop3F2lKj3H+ftuP9bL3+ToeLxETHnI3aQO6wLbrqZO7oSIggREVZSo3aw1FUOpQrKrJwRyvkIYiaXDdb1l9iqOKYlh3KBctxi3XsLQcMwr/WqP4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:22:12 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49760_5922516.1184354532500" References: <4697C584.7070903@soundscapes.us> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D544@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <7lpPXB.A.yzF.lD9lGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:22:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49760_5922516.1184354532500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, we paid it. I'm just certain it didn't pay for itself in increased revenues. Of course, that's a guess -- you have to decide who would have been there even without the music (or who would have come had there been no music), and then add whatever the listeners bought (which sometimes was precious little -- kids are poor). I suppose we could have had cover charges, but that's another can of worms. My feeling is, we were *so* low-budget and sub-professional that, I don't know -- do I care, really, if some kid down the street covers one of my songs? Especially if he's making no money at it. We cut a deal over the CD license, as I recall. We couldn't afford it. So I think they took a few hundred dollars a year and let us play the radio under the reasoning that the tunes were partially paid for by being broadcast. It seemed kinda shady, to me, at the time. Maybe the heavy was giving us a break. Heck, maybe it was an outright bribe -- I didn't write the check. On 7/13/07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > This topic came up in a Seattle mailing list recently, and it was > determined that the yearly rate for your typical coffee house was just > under a thousand dollars. Was that too much? > How much were you paying for your license to play CD's? > > TH > > > > On 7/13/07, Kelly Coyle wrote: > > I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing the > "living > > jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously doubt any > regular > > (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. > > ------=_Part_49760_5922516.1184354532500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, we paid it. I'm just certain it didn't pay for itself in increased revenues. Of course, that's a guess -- you have to decide who would have been there even without the music (or who would have come had there been no music), and then add whatever the listeners bought (which sometimes was precious little -- kids are poor). I suppose we could have had cover charges, but that's another can of worms. My feeling is, we were *so* low-budget and sub-professional that, I don't know -- do I care, really, if some kid down the street covers one of my songs? Especially if he's making no money at it.

We cut a deal over the CD license, as I recall. We couldn't afford it. So I think they took a few hundred dollars a year and let us play the radio under the reasoning that the tunes were partially paid for by being broadcast. It seemed kinda shady, to me, at the time. Maybe the heavy was giving us a break. Heck, maybe it was an outright bribe -- I didn't write the check.




On 7/13/07, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
This topic came up in a Seattle mailing list recently, and it was
determined that the yearly rate for your typical coffee house was just
under a thousand dollars.   Was that too much?
How much were you paying for your license to play CD's?

TH



On 7/13/07, Kelly Coyle <skcoyle@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing the "living
> jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously doubt any regular
> (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees.


------=_Part_49760_5922516.1184354532500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:31:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA2663BF9C; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Composers should also get paid Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:31:34 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c7c584$6f8c0230$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C7C549.C32D2A30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Thread-Index: AcfFf5tHoiw4HDJuTfW0xbFEpy8vRgABKzzA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:31:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C7C549.C32D2A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's not like an evil plot to remove all delight from music. It is an evil plot to remove all delight from music. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:skcoyle@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid it's like an evil plot to remove all delight from music. On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: Yeah. I'm sure his job was at least restructured because really...how many venues are going to feature "public domain" music and keep their clientele around that are used to hearing a living jukebox? Yes it was the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer to know that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down his gig? Lol. It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we are discussing here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best interest to REQUIRE their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls saying "BMI licensed venue" or something? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Jim Bailey wrote: > Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB because > he wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. Just > trying to get facts straight. BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player. The venue did because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee plus performer pay weren't offset by increased profits. Cheers, Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C7C549.C32D2A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It’s not like an evil plot to = remove all delight from music.  It is an evil plot to remove all delight = from music.

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Kelly Coyle [mailto:skcoyle@gmail.com]
Sent:
Friday, July 13, 2007 11:57 = AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Composers = should also get paid

 

it's like an evil plot to remove all delight from music.






On = 7/13/07, Jim Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> wrote:

Yeah.  I'm sure his job was at least restructured because really...how
many venues are going to feature "public domain" music and = keep their
clientele around that are used to hearing a living = jukebox?  Yes it was
the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer to = know
that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down his gig?
Lol.

It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we are discussing
here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best interest to REQUIRE
their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls saying "BMI = licensed
venue" or something?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]
Sent:
Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid


Jim Bailey wrote:
> Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB = because
> he wasn't informed.  Not trying to argumentative or anything.  Just
> trying to get facts straight.
BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player.  The = venue did

because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee = plus
performer pay weren't offset by increased profits.

Cheers,

Bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C7C549.C32D2A30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 19:57:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A618E3BF93; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ig0MCL910QnpHg0oTSLmDunt2D+YcUHZc3mCSgIWPQCmA6sKXNKycdiqxU5JjUAF; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10163075.1184356645497.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:57:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: please forgive me but I had to share this Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd482c2def11585c7a5b95c25ca88ec11dfb666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:57:26 +0000 (UTC) DAMN! that is so cool-thanks for that Rick. 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-------------------------------1184360097-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 22:15:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A40893BF95; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lOlGdYfHrQXnJaE2bYy0cOY/++8OPm7kfu1Cv48CxXAnONMTyGq9GbMFooF4SXeO0wx3eCnd1rnV//VcWH25sz/3RMvfaiYWUthGAiSNnZI/Jkp3OlVzjGlt9IwZqDyVPKoolQ5+Tn03zGKoI6pVzcmVLlCBAl8V0lO4KriGfyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mUO4RKLTtPmWZiyUOenbln469qng7D7Iy2jcJmRc/xWw5e457kh1Amj/9IxcNNLfN95rMo6xTgz/17ON0pceif6S2oZNgwsPbOz4JpGXR/AvBQ02tauYom01h/+ikmHmA5gw3IINaRqOBZPDbSTCJ9SQci2uuuzzcEVGbjYJDcw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:15:24 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Oh, this topic just keeps getting better and better, while remaing COMPLETELY OT for this list: http://www.starpolish.com/news/article.asp?id=3D44 See Me, Feel Me, Touch Me - Pay Me Dave Marsh =97 Monday, March 05, 2001 Pete Townshend keeps a diary on his website and the most fascinating passage so far concerns downloading MP3 files with his son, Joseph, who was appalled that they were "stealing." Dad didn't think so, and the fact that such a prominent member of rock's ancient regime supports file sharing has had many readers agog. Townshend's first reason for not giving a damn whether his fans get access to his music for free is that he doesn't often get paid for it. Among other things, he comments, "during the 1989 tour, when we paid a huge sum of money to BMI for the right to perform songs I had written, they eventually paid me (after a lot of complaining from my manager) a tiny portion of that sum, excusing themselves because their main payout area that year was Nashville." BMI is a performance rights organization (PRO), meaning it collects money from broadcasters and "restaurants, nightclubs, bowling alleys, aerobics centers, retail establishments" (to quote from its own literature). Lately, it has been dunning assisted living homes for seniors, on the grounds that these are commercial businesses in which music is sometimes played. BMI "only" wants $2.25 a bed per year from these places, which it pretends will come out of the pockets of the owners with no effect on the tenants. What's truly stupefying about this - unless you're used to the machinations of the music world - is that BMI's own literature says flatly, "Payment to writers and publishers is based primarily on broadcast performances. Keeping track of all performances of music in other areas...is impossible. With over 10,000 broadcasting stations in the United States, however, it is safe to assume that what is being played on the commercial airwaves reflects what is being played by other music users." In short, the seniors listening to "Bicycle Built for Two," or "Ebb Tide," or even the Five Satins' "In the Still of the Night," will actually be paying the songwriters for Jennifer Lopez, Britney Spears and Matchbox 20. BMI's rationale would be more widely damned if the public understood that this nonprofit corporation is owned by commercial broadcasters who formed it when ASCAP resisted music broadcasting in the early 1940s. BMI helped the broadcasters cut their music licensing fees by about 25 percent - ASCAP's share got cut in half. Because BMI needed writers, it opened its door to black and country writers who had been kept out of ASCAP by racism and snobbery, and this relationship to "roots music" and the building tidal wave of rock and soul has always been celebrated. The sweetheart deal is ignored. But BMI's allegiance has always been divided. For instance, BMI has been a prime financial backer of the most anti-music politician in America, Albert Gore. Gore has a resounding devotion to the interests of broadcasters, many of whom became billionaires as a result of the "deregulation" Gore sponsored in the Clinton years. The aggression of BMI is quite remarkable. It demands money from its members playing their own songs in venues that have already paid for music licenses (there are no prominent venues that don't). It even attempts to collect from nonmembers who have titles that are the same as BMI titles. Yet even an artist as famous as Townshend finds its accounting practices overtly shortchange him. Even a deaf, dumb and blind kid would recognize that smell as rotten. 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That was too strange . . . and cool in a really weird way. Thanks for sharin' Rick. 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It is therefore upon this disc= overy that I now decided to make this business proposal to you,so that the = money can be release to you as the next of kin or relation to the deceased = for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody will come for it and we= don't want this money to go into the bank treasury as unclaimed dormant fu= nd.=20 =20 The banking law and guidline here stipulates that if such money remained un= claimed after seven years, the money will be transfered into the bank treas= ury as unclaimed dormant fund. The request of foreigner as next of kin in t= his business is occassioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner a= nd a Burkinabe like me can not stand as next of kin to a foreigner. I agreed that 30% of this money will be for you as a respect to the provisi= on of a foriegn account ,10% will be set aside for expenses incurred during= the business and 60% would be for me.Thereafter, I will visit your country= for disbursement according to the percentage indicated Therefore, to enabl= e the immediate transfer of this fund to you arranged,you must apply first = to the bank as relation or next of kin to the deceased customer with a text= of application that i will send to you,but before i send to you the text o= f application form,I will like you to send me the following informatios. =20 1. NAME IN FULL:..............................2. ADDRESS:..................= ...................3. NATIONALITY:..............................4. AGE:....= ........................................5. Sex.............................= .................6. OCCUPATION:...............................7. MARITAL ST= ATUS:.........................8. PRIAVTE PHONE NO.......................9. = PRIVATE FAX NO:..........................10.YOUR ID OR INTERNATIONAL PASSPO= RT............... =20 So i will like you to send to me those informations for easy and effective = communication,also location where the money will be remitted. Upon receipt = of your reply, I will send to you by fax or email the text of the applicati= on form. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is h= itch-free and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all require= d arrangements have been made for the transfer. You should contact me immed= iately as soon as you receive this letter,if only you are intrested and rea= dy to help.=20 Trusting to hear from you immediately. =20 Thanks Yours Faithfully,MR AZIZ MUSA.BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER.(BANK OF AFRICA). = =20 _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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FROM THE DESK OF MR AZIZ MUSA.
BILL AND EXCHANGE UNIT,
B= ANK OF AFRICA (B.O.A)
OUAGADOUGOU-BURKINA FASO. 
Telephone:+226 = 7655 8065
 
Dear friend,
 
I am the manager of bill and exchange department of BANK OF AF= RICA (B.O.A) here in Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso. In my department we discove= red an abandoned sum of US$18.2m dollars (Eithteen Million Two Hundred Doll= ars) in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customer (DR GEORGE W= .BRUMLEY) who died along with his entire family  in Monday, July 21, 2= 003 in a plane crash in Nairobi Kenya?.For more informations about the cras= h you can visit this site: htt= p://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/07/20/kenya.crash/index.html
 
Since we got information about his death, we have been expecti= ng his next of kin to come over and claim his money because we can not rele= ase it unless some body applies for it as next of kin or relation to the de= ceased as indicated in our banking guidlings and laws but unfortunately we = learnt that all his supposed next of kin or relation died alongside with hi= m at the plane crash leaving nobody behind for the claim. It is therefore u= pon this discovery that I now decided to make this business proposal to you= ,so that the money can be release to you as the next of kin or relation to = the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody will come = for it and we don't want this money to go into the bank treasury as unclaim= ed dormant fund.
 
The banking law and guidline here stipulates that if such mone= y remained unclaimed after seven years, the money will be transfered into t= he bank treasury as unclaimed dormant fund. The request of foreigner as nex= t of kin in this business is occassioned by the fact that the customer was = a foreigner and a Burkinabe like me can not stand as next of kin to a forei= gner.
I agreed that 30% of this money will be for you as a respect t= o the provision of a foriegn account ,10% will be set aside for expenses in= curred during the business and 60% would be for me.Thereafter, I will visit= your country for disbursement according to the percentage indicated Theref= ore, to enable the immediate transfer of this fund to you arranged,you must= apply first to the bank as relation or next of kin to the deceased custome= r with a text of application that i will send to you,but before i send to y= ou the text of application form,I will like you to send me the following in= formatios.
 
1. NAME IN FULL:..............................
2. ADDRESS:.= ....................................
3. NATIONALITY:....................= ..........
4. AGE:............................................
5. Sex= ..............................................
6. OCCUPATION:...........= ....................
7. MARITAL STATUS:.........................
8. P= RIAVTE PHONE NO.......................
9. PRIVATE FAX NO:...............= ...........
10.YOUR ID OR INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT...............
=
 
So i will like you to send to me those informations for easy a= nd effective communication,also location where the money will be remitted. = Upon receipt of your reply, I will send to you by fax or email the text of = the application form.
I will not fail to bring to your notice that this= transaction is hitch-free and that you should not entertain any atom of fe= ar as all required arrangements have been made for the transfer. You should= contact me immediately as soon as you receive this letter,if only you are = intrested and ready to help.
Trusting to hear from you immediately.
 
Thanks
Yours Faithfully,
MR AZIZ MUSA.
BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGE= R.(BANK OF AFRICA).
 


Change is good. Se= e what's different about Windows Live Hotmail. Check it out! = --_177add4f-ec56-4b24-a445-58cb2696e7e6_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 13 23:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8121E3BF9A; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fQ6blaa57aIsfCIzvhvZVein7QdDXQvNrBjwuRQO03kxv5VWt3h1At67/REUcN5cjoWvPWoZFSnV0AATTtXqfEoWGQfjUP/hfj1DgwQWfISX7OUuquNvvUzVoahcWM0HnMDoKKFK1gBznxYJGZ6zv6sUoY378HjQeCU5qq09NwY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=gfIB7q3S+FwlKjX8SiVQz1hzIi9UXID1t7Ues74jLsWvWLjRRSan84gq2qgJesGTUjXslvbP4+YWyzuxGqIjDCpscmSmQjx2mfohUgV9h/khoFkxxIMic8BbK1n9jHwh/MSkvAiRMCKT6S83ueBbpsp457lDjdLeO6+lnpmL+Yo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:42:53 -0500 From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: It's Ted Killian's fault MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52640_1479233.1184370173968" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:42:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52640_1479233.1184370173968 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Seeing Ted Killian post on the same day that someone mentioned the Moog Ring Mod reminded me of this. I had a device built by artist Tim Kaiser ( http://www.timkaiser.org/) which was, sort of, inspired by Ted's comments on the DD-20 on the tools page (although it has little in common with those). What it is is two PDS-1002s and a PDS 20/20, modified (via trim pot) for longer delays, and wired in parallel with a pretty clever, Kaiser-designed, interface. It's a looping device in the "latching delay" fashion. The three delays can be independently latched, mixed (along with the dry), and do pitch effects with the delay time. (The footpedal also controls the latches.) The 1002s have some sort of pre/post gain thing -- it doesn't seem to make much difference in practice. The 20/20 can do some very strange modulation effects (the extended delay times seems to really wig it out). Here's a picture of it: http://www.timkaiser.org/FX59Kelly.jpg and the footpedal: http://www.timkaiser.org/FX59KellyB.jpg I've made two, pretty similar, recordings with it. The first is a Tele into the aforementioned ring mod: http://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/bells.mp3 The second is a Casio VL-1 directly into the unit, but it does show off the 20/20 doing its modulation thing: http://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/3_6_7.mp3 All that just FYI, although sometime we ought to have a "latched delay" versus "sampler style" looping discussion again. (I guess there was one a long time ago which I sort of remember from lurking.) ------=_Part_52640_1479233.1184370173968 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Seeing Ted Killian post on the same day that someone mentioned the Moog Ring Mod reminded me of this. I had a device built by artist Tim Kaiser (http://www.timkaiser.org/) which was, sort of, inspired by Ted's comments on the DD-20 on the tools page (although it has little in common with those). What it is is two PDS-1002s and a PDS 20/20, modified (via trim pot) for longer delays, and wired in parallel with a pretty clever, Kaiser-designed, interface. It's a looping device in the "latching delay" fashion. The three delays can be independently latched, mixed (along with the dry), and do pitch effects with the delay time. (The footpedal also controls the latches.) The 1002s have some sort of pre/post gain thing -- it doesn't seem to make much difference in practice. The 20/20 can do some very strange modulation effects (the extended delay times seems to really wig it out).

Here's a picture of it:

http://www.timkaiser.org/FX59Kelly.jpg

and the footpedal:

http://www.timkaiser.org/FX59KellyB.jpg

I've made two, pretty similar, recordings with it. The first is a Tele into the aforementioned ring mod:

http://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/bells.mp3

The second is a Casio VL-1 directly into the unit, but it does show off the 20/20 doing its modulation thing:

http://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/3_6_7.mp3

All that just FYI, although sometime we ought to have a "latched delay" versus "sampler style" looping discussion again. (I guess there was one a long time ago which I sort of remember from lurking.)
------=_Part_52640_1479233.1184370173968-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 01:13:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF03B3BFA3; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c7c5b4$3534b3e0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <4697C584.7070903@soundscapes.us> <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D544@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:26:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C7C5B5.F1DFFFD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:13:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C7C5B5.F1DFFFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ASCAP went after the Girl Scouts for round-the-fire sing-a-longs, so I = wouldn't doubt too many negative reports about their ability to suck the = life and fun out of things. From: Kelly Coyle=20 I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing the = "living jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously doubt = any regular (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. = We did it because we were kind of wide-eyed about the sort of place we = wanted to be, that offered local folks a place to do their thing for = other folks that wanted to hear it. If we had done the "no covers" = thing, we would have had to book five performers a night to get three = sets, probably. (This was in small-town Minnesota.) Ultimately, our = performers were just regular people with regular day-jobs who played = instruments when they got home from work, music they happened to like. = The ASCAP heavy who visited -- I don't know. (Apparently, I can still = get upset about it.) As far as I can tell, nobody's interests are served = by this system -- it's like an evil plot to remove all delight from = music.=20 On 7/13/07, Jim Bailey wrote: Yeah. I'm sure his job was at least restructured because = really...how many venues are going to feature "public domain" music and keep = their clientele around that are used to hearing a living jukebox? Yes it = was=20 the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer to = know that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down his gig? Lol. It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we are discussing=20 here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best interest to REQUIRE their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls saying "BMI = licensed venue" or something? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid Jim Bailey wrote: > Well under the example given below the piano guy lost HIS JOB = because > he wasn't informed. Not trying to argumentative or anything. = Just=20 > trying to get facts straight. BMI or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player. The venue = did because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or the fee = plus performer pay weren't offset by increased profits.=20 Cheers, Bill ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C7C5B5.F1DFFFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ASCAP went after the Girl Scouts for round-the-fire=20 sing-a-longs, so I wouldn't doubt too many negative reports about their = ability=20 to suck the life and fun out of things.
 
From:=20 Kelly = Coyle=20
I can only speak for my own establishment, but we were providing = the=20 "living jukeboxes" more-or-less as a public service -- I seriously = doubt any=20 regular (i.e., small) coffeehouse can recover their ASCAP/BMI fees. We = did it=20 because we were kind of wide-eyed about the sort of place we wanted to = be,=20 that offered local folks a place to do their thing for other folks = that wanted=20 to hear it. If we had done the "no covers" thing, we would have had to = book=20 five performers a night to get three sets, probably. (This was in = small-town=20 Minnesota.) Ultimately, our performers were just regular people with = regular=20 day-jobs who played instruments when they got home from work, music = they=20 happened to like. The ASCAP heavy who visited -- I don't know. = (Apparently, I=20 can still get upset about it.) As far as I can tell, nobody's = interests are=20 served by this system -- it's like an evil plot to remove all delight = from=20 music.







On 7/13/07, Jim=20 Bailey <jbailey@wsimail.com> = wrote:
Yeah.  I'm=20 sure his job was at least restructured because really...how
many = venues=20 are going to feature "public domain" music and keep = their
clientele=20 around that are used to hearing a living jukebox?  Yes it = was=20
the venues deal but wouldn't it have been nice for the performer = to=20 know
that at anytime the fun police might bust in and shut down = his=20 gig?
Lol.

It kinda boggles me that given the laws that we = are=20 discussing
here...wouldn't it be in the BMI and ASCAPS best = interest to=20 REQUIRE
their licensed venues to put big signs on the walls = saying "BMI=20 licensed
venue" or something?

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us]
S= ent:=20 Friday, July 13, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid


Jim = Bailey=20 wrote:
> Well under the example given below the piano guy lost = HIS JOB=20 because
> he wasn't informed.  Not trying to = argumentative=20 or anything.  Just
> trying to get facts = straight.
BMI=20 or ASCAP weren't the ones who fired the piano player.  The = venue=20 did

because the owner was too cheap to pay the license fee or = the fee=20 plus
performer pay weren't offset by increased profits.=20 =

Cheers,

Bill


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4Wo_Dj0VM1kZHFhyY_Add1Knn30RDdhxeNmqTdDfW6LEOYniCMd.tPp.OYqyxAzONJtJFHFHtjgvvt89kHfN6J1CGEP_XbYgZOyvK490yq2vI9QYTQ-- Message-ID: <001101c7c5c7$2a078c50$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: Subject: OT new loop combo tune Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:29:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 03:29:30 +0000 (UTC) It's a tune I play live but here's a recorded version for your perusal. It's called "Lucky is..." www.myspace.com/michaelplishka ~peace~ Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 04:35:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D643BF6B; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=I9D26DqnETlRjvFIkXf1kFnAkfjI6m5GoVdnMXLzLvMSTtsQR6oK7Ob5DsxtNTBXSSblphqITXxDYJwlKnIMyJuOdz6dQl3H0MNnx3TYXBkL0Tfz6vmVyJNARAxjeYSWZXd1CQWDuxqz0m2uXgwbRfvOkHuh/CqYtH5xEW07Cuk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=o/lhqdRoppnMasgeXt0AJ+n/O3P+vRk2laOJEwXSpmWHkH4kfEax5Fa6LW255FeUtJ68mkHO3QWePUWBjHdJnzhrhnAzZo+DXPoPIZlPMVtt1Aa13M9KO00/KsPOyuC5dblhOIWbjzA0FplZlJ7rP1AftNRFybZjAnO4cA/glTg= Message-ID: <9e2a71240707132135k70c43698wed5c8f0f08b98f55@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:35:29 -0500 From: "Michael Pregeant" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40073_21102812.1184387729281" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:35:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40073_21102812.1184387729281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://cgi.ebay.com/Gibson-Echoplex-Digital-Pro-loop-IV-Like-new_W0QQitemZ160137843392QQihZ006QQcategoryZ101974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Here's the ebay link. Just thought I'd throw it out there. -- www.myspace.com/ipwnuh4x www.myspace.com/therealannulus www.myspace.com/michaelpregeant ------=_Part_40073_21102812.1184387729281 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
 
Here's the ebay link. Just thought I'd throw it out there.
------=_Part_40073_21102812.1184387729281-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 04:49:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DA5E3BF19; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more field recording sample to share: Independence Night Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:49:19 +0000 (UTC) The night of July 3rd-4th I took the M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96 field recorder outside, adjusted the levels, and left it recording while I went back inside. Two hours later I cut the recording. The result: Independence Night - 2hrs2min of night sounds, 12:37am to 2:39am in the middle of the night of July 4th. Lots of insects. Echoes. Distant trucks. A fox. http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/independence_night.mp3 (Link archived on http://www.subscapeannex.com/sounds.html ) Recorded in 24-bit WAV, converted to mp3 by iTunes. No processing. Anyone is welcome to use these as you like for background, sampling for industrial music, whatever, although I'd like to know if you do. I'm keeping the WAV file of this for later and not posting it as it's huge at 1.8GB. Hope this is remaining interesting to people. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 07:36:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05C443BF63; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PkFgx6DU+KjCndoUkwfifpNoiGBtIAnJM1biA0jz9A9S1Lp7N1Qr/u/wn6wjcScDhK6858/+CzVEGrMg+ZWxFZevjzejqyfyyClYRsw19LlrLV2EW4+sc701hqc/Gz0nX1x2HHZStLegyC69ZFFGS6dEyoyeDhPCNnT/NXzG3mY=; X-YMail-OSG: 8h2t5X0VM1mzPBYQ4_TY_hnPIOZxcU1V_QugOqItlFmKREPKODW7guJMaOeZjpUcCmVtwtFjPNAZwd_yzoG995sKXFK7XVFYOkbswTIZ_mUteLr5 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:36:15 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: biamplified monitors To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <169956.79771.qm@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 07:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I have noticed that someone has recommanded Event monitor. I am looking on Ebay now. I do want powered monitors. When the add say biamplified does this mean not amplified ? And will most monitors (studio) work in Norway (220 v) like delays and reverbunits if one just uses a different net kabel ? If Eveny 20/20 and Alp5 not are powered monitors does anyone have a tip for good and not too expensive studiomonitors? best regards Rune F _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 08:11:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99D203BF5D; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 04:10:50 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show In Less Than Two Hours From Now To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4698850A.7050005@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <83OBY.A.nqG.1UImGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:11:33 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be today in less than two hours from now, July 14 at 6:00 am EDT / GMT-4. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 10:08:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AD883BF32; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LzTXHN8HFa8PPRuXvpBxHJqBH78zorbkFRHivB5r7ev89upD13Cmzi9wJZd3w14OJ4VxopHi0HdZ9GtO5hR5kOlJ2CqCic84x0cwYcRsehzbW3JyEEjNHGMwo5Vn3DpDcVNGU6hW7r7QI7i8+t5qJKT4JPfxgRCh6UFUkdfCi00= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=t2a0thkvK1zSA/jf69mRZg9kdVJVc437+nGwmWB1QU0on+mJHH1my3mHcATUY4ylaIIgyOmEiO11AVLsdslCFOpahrocTfMQg9NS5RoeD+hLx05pNqLQU6ApWGL1RVd6rShp7XUXiX0vIEFT/AgajxtZVKBt4g1p/maDixxesV8= In-Reply-To: <001101c7c5c7$2a078c50$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> References: <001101c7c5c7$2a078c50$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92E96665-F797-4BDE-A870-68F47ED6CD0C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT new loop combo tune Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:08:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:08:39 +0000 (UTC) On 14 jul 2007, at 05.29, Michael Plishka wrote: > It's a tune I play live but here's a recorded version for your > perusal. It's called "Lucky is..." > www.myspace.com/michaelplishka Really a good version! Thanks for posting. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 10:49:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 460EB3BF55; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:49:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=I2o09pnvt85rTKX1OQZU+NRHSWJrLCNZLNyUXDIqF1MfrH3vUiyrmVW1bmWoF7Eud9Yl6ZBsZwRwGG/TW3c5s/oQrcsFcPOAKW0NtSx4mXeJtBFAvKZLa3LvQ8KWjIh6vdXbc6Wsg8t7AOEm4lnEIk01zb2MCCavj0ZTTvcUTHE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=G9V83pGNEYxmKQwCf3gMIHtOdfwnz/J1yLJHxT+gpGiCf46QwvI0caZKSATbpF7QZXJ8UMoEAvONy4QPqPBcnAWXhkRzknwuCOypQDRNIj9OLVutdXL0ff/Dp0oIIARpveTjJ8xG16y14p+OWdmusgnIa87GBMneZ5rWzVRrN9k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <169956.79771.qm@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <169956.79771.qm@web26214.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <719CDA76-668B-4240-878B-40A07950DDDE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: biamplified monitors Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:49:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:49:11 +0000 (UTC) On 14 jul 2007, at 09.36, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I have noticed that someone has recommanded Event > monitor. I am looking on Ebay now. I do want powered > monitors. When the add say biamplified does this mean > not amplified ? And will most monitors (studio) work > in Norway (220 v) like delays and reverbunits if one > just uses a different net kabel ? > If Eveny 20/20 and Alp5 not are powered monitors does > anyone have a tip for good and not too expensive > studiomonitors? > > best regards Rune F Hi Rune, I think "bi-amped" means that the amplification uses two output stages. I guess that is standard today in near field monitors, the only model I know that doesn't have it is the MNT-Pro M-00. A couple of years ago we did an A/B listening test at the studio computer music magazine where I'm writing as a freelancer. Eight near field monitors were listened to, as a blind test, by three professional audio/music workers. The two winners were the Genelec 8030A and the Event TR-5. The Event is about half the price, so if shopping on a budget they are a good deal. But they doesn't sound as true (linear frequency response) as the Genelecs and personally I also think the Genelecs sound more "musical" (as in "fun to listen to music through them"). I've been using the Events at the mag's office and have Genelec's at my own place. The Genelec's are also the best for traveling with since they are sturdy and can take some beating in the dark interiors of transportation trunks. The shared second best price of the listening test went to Fostex PM-1 and Behringer Truth B2030A. I hope you find something good for monitoring your work. Good monitoring is essential. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 10:53:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 730213BF5A; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "RICK WALKER" Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:46:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Pirhanha Guitar Bow Review Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <4698B77B.14995.36D80A@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <00f201c7c549$ac3c0e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <9NdDjC.A.8OG.esKmGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:53:19 +0000 (UTC) I haven't found a proper mp3 or video of this yet (kind of amazed the makers don't have one on site!) , but hrere's a good long thread on the subject of bowed guitars here http://acapella.harmony-central.com/archive/index.php/t-1172526.html there's a link to a vid here, but I can't seem to make it work http://www.homerecordingconnection.com/forum.php?action=view_thread&id =4438&frm=2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 11:57:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D083BF29; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=d9POABga0+k3vwEuD1WexkccFwDE/hNdRyFSQqh6oadUbwdM99GYbEgJPjiwHiECJAZtjNxQs3VN7rBNEZt8svjHn4LCGvZrhWGgqfIJKHx8h/enIes2oYQdYZsBENSJEJ7CdNZdZV0hbS2lQKsJC1g+QvBrDlIF/2IunTZFga8=; X-YMail-OSG: 60j4NEAVM1la5bNIv8NICRwWO8Q0CQQsB6UceSuvNGpX4B85mBL_.QMoE2y9Eg6DseLxff8.pNpR_Z_vG.t3Ig5uyoLC7_IBZkShFEY.0bbY2wVZPrp2twt1eUI- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:57:49 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: RE: Re: biamplified monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <719CDA76-668B-4240-878B-40A07950DDDE@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1491728952-1184414269=:47365" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <964891.47365.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:57:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-1491728952-1184414269=:47365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Boysen ! Best regards RF Per Boysen skrev: On 14 jul 2007, at 09.36, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > I have noticed that someone has recommanded Event > monitor. I am looking on Ebay now. I do want powered > monitors. When the add say biamplified does this mean > not amplified ? And will most monitors (studio) work > in Norway (220 v) like delays and reverbunits if one > just uses a different net kabel ? > If Eveny 20/20 and Alp5 not are powered monitors does > anyone have a tip for good and not too expensive > studiomonitors? > > best regards Rune F Hi Rune, I think "bi-amped" means that the amplification uses two output stages. I guess that is standard today in near field monitors, the only model I know that doesn't have it is the MNT-Pro M-00. A couple of years ago we did an A/B listening test at the studio computer music magazine where I'm writing as a freelancer. Eight near field monitors were listened to, as a blind test, by three professional audio/music workers. The two winners were the Genelec 8030A and the Event TR-5. The Event is about half the price, so if shopping on a budget they are a good deal. But they doesn't sound as true (linear frequency response) as the Genelecs and personally I also think the Genelecs sound more "musical" (as in "fun to listen to music through them"). I've been using the Events at the mag's office and have Genelec's at my own place. The Genelec's are also the best for traveling with since they are sturdy and can take some beating in the dark interiors of transportation trunks. The shared second best price of the listening test went to Fostex PM-1 and Behringer Truth B2030A. I hope you find something good for monitoring your work. Good monitoring is essential. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --------------------------------- Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. --0-1491728952-1184414269=:47365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks Boysen !
 
Best regards RF
 
Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> skrev:
On 14 jul 2007, at 09.36, rune fagereng wrote:

> Hi !
>
> I have noticed that someone has recommanded Event
> monitor. I am looking on Ebay now. I do want powered
> monitors. When the add say biamplified does this mean
> not amplified ? And will most monitors (studio) work
> in Norway (220 v) like delays and reverbunits if one
> just uses a different net kabel ?
> If Eveny 20/20 and Alp5 not are powered monitors does
> anyone have a tip for good and not too expensive
> studiomonitors?
>
> best regards Rune F


Hi Rune,

I think "bi-amped" means that the amplification uses two output
stages. I guess that is standard today in near field monitors, the
only model I know that doesn't have it is the MNT-Pro M-00. A couple
of years ago we did an A/B listening test at the studio computer
music magazine where I'm writing as a freelancer. Eight near field
monitors were listened to, as a blind test, by three professional
audio/music workers. The two winners were the Genelec 8030A and the
Event TR-5. The Event is about half the price, so if shopping on a
budget they are a good deal. But they doesn't sound as true (linear
frequency response) as the Genelecs and personally I also think the
Genelecs sound more "musical" (as in "fun to listen to music through
them"). I've been using the Events at the mag's office and have
Genelec's at my own place. The Genelec's are also the best for
traveling with since they are sturdy and can take some beating in the
dark interiors of transportation trunks. The shared second best price
of the listening test went to Fostex PM-1 and Behringer Truth B2030A.

I hope you find something good for monitoring your work. Good
monitoring is essential.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)







www.runefagereng.com
www.myspace.com/runefagereng
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no
Mob: 917 95 867



Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk.
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If you are interested in this offer please respond to us for more further informations from our company. email: info_mantechcoy02@yahoo.com.cn Mr.Yukio Wong RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED, PRESIDENT- MAN TECH COMPANY LTD JAPAN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 15:54:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA6123BF36; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707141554.l6EFsnZJ040330@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: biamped monitors Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:54:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C5F4.A56573D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfGL1GGXMQ7eb8ZTOyCJDde8PB49Q== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:54:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C5F4.A56573D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a pair of event reference 6 monitors and I like them alot. Bi amp refers to a separate power amp for both the woofer and the tweeter, with a cross over. I like my events, though if I ever replaced them, I'd maybe get a pair of K-Roks or Genelecs. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C5F4.A56573D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a pair of event reference 6 monitors and I = like them alot. Bi amp refers to a separate power amp for both the woofer and the = tweeter, with a cross over. I like my events, though if I ever replaced them, = I’d maybe get a pair of K-Roks or Genelecs.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C7C5F4.A56573D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 15:59:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3993BF32; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:58:12 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for July 14, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4698F294.9000709@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <5ze4GD.A.yYG.DLPmGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:59:00 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070714.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. 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Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 16:20:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95D83BF5A; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200707141620.l6EGKrOm047500@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: question about guitar lessons Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:20:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7C5F8.496ADD50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfGMvWVu+hLJH2JQjyXXRKzfCbUjQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:20:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7C5F8.496ADD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Claude wrote "naaa come on!! The Leavitt book is great for committed adults, eventually, but not for kiddies please, there should exist less boring presented material!!!! And btw the Leavitt books are false beginner's book." I agree Claude, I went to Berklee and had to use the Leavitt books, and though chock full of valuable information, The material was really dry, and not particularly inspiring to study, and most definitely not beginner books. I received way more education at Berklee from playing through fake books and jamming with friends. As I mentioned privately to Michael, either the Progressive series of beginner books, or the National Guitar Workshop series are very good for young beginners. Also I've seen a book that is just transcriptions of classic rock riffs. Not whole songs, just riffs. I've found that with young students, nothing gets them more fired up than learning a classic riff from a classic song. I have a nine year old student who I taught the first day to play his favorite song, Smoke on the Water. He actually only learned the first riff, but since them I've taught him the rest of the tune. You should have seen this little guys face when he figured it out. Small identifiable exerts of classic songs are a great way to get a younger inspired to play even if they are not ready to learn the whole tune. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7C5F8.496ADD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Claude wrote

naaa come on!!

The Leavitt book is = great for committed adults, eventually, but not for kiddies please, there = should exist less boring presented material!!!!

And btw the Leavitt = books are false beginner’s book.”

 

 

I agree Claude, I = went to Berklee and had to use the Leavitt books, and though chock full of valuable = information, The material was really dry, and not particularly inspiring to study, = and most definitely not beginner books. I received way more education at Berklee from = playing through fake books and jamming with friends. As I mentioned privately to Michael, either the Progressive series of beginner books, or the = National Guitar Workshop series are very good for young beginners. Also I’ve seen = a book that is just transcriptions of classic rock riffs. Not whole songs, just = riffs. I’ve found that with young students, nothing gets them more fired = up than learning a classic riff from a classic song. I have a nine year old = student who I taught the first day to play his favorite song, Smoke on the Water. He actually only learned the first riff, but since them I’ve taught = him the rest of the tune. You should have seen this little guys face when he = figured it out. Small identifiable exerts of classic songs are a great way to get a younger inspired to play even if they are not ready to learn the whole = tune.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7C5F8.496ADD50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 17:14:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9F53BF2B; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:14:01 EDT Subject: Re: biamplified monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bff.1b709bbf.33ca5e59_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0n1MyB.A.lmC.eRQmGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:14:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bff.1b709bbf.33ca5e59_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i was just offered $1000.00 for my two srm 450s.....it cost me $400.oo to use these speakers for several years so i'm quite happy with the price.....now what do i replace them with that 1) cost no more than $1000 for both, 2) can be used as my only studio speakers and 3) can be used as my p.a. speakers (mackie 1202 vlz) if and when i play out.....if this deal falls through i will not be the least bit unhappy, i love the srms and that's why i had kids so that they can carry these beasts down and up to my 3rd. floor studio.....;).....my only problem is that the srm 450s are total OVERKILL for what i do.....for $200 more i can buy 4 srm 150s, has anyone played with these?.....they look soooo small, they say in their ads that you can get an addaptor to put them on your mic stand.....if that's the case, i'll make a hat out of one and .....one word of advice to rune is "powered monitors" need to be plugged into an electrical source and i have often found that the need for 2 more outlets can be a problem at some gigs depending where you place the speakers in relation to the rest of your kit.....and i have always wondered about the old adage that all your stuff should come off the same electrical line to keep the signal clean and avoid hum, so my corncern is, are the outlets that my monitors are plugged into the same line as the rest of my kit?.....perhaps this is just another of those misbeliefs that i have about things.....and indeed ONLY LOOPS WILL BE PLAYED OUT OF THESE SPEAKERS.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_bff.1b709bbf.33ca5e59_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was just offered $1000.00 for my two=20= srm 450s.....it cost me $400.oo to use these speakers for several years so i= 'm quite happy with the price.....now what do i replace them with that 1) co= st no more than $1000 for both, 2) can be used as my only studio speakers an= d 3) can be used as my p.a. speakers (mackie 1202 vlz) if and when i play ou= t.....if this deal falls through i will not be the least bit unhappy, i love= the srms and that's why i had kids so that they can carry these beasts down= and up to my 3rd. floor studio.....;).....my only problem is that the srm 4= 50s are total OVERKILL for what i do.....for $200 more i can buy 4 srm 150s,= has anyone played with these?.....they look soooo small, they say in their=20= ads that you can get an addaptor to put them on your mic stand.....if that's= the case, i'll make a hat out of one and .....one word of advice to rune is= "powered monitors" need to be plugged into an electrical source and i have=20= often found that the need for 2 more outlets can be a problem at some gigs d= epending where you place the speakers in relation to the rest of your kit...= ..and i have always wondered about the old adage that all your stuff should=20= come off the same electrical line to keep the signal clean and avoid hum, so= my corncern is, are the outlets that my monitors are plugged into the same=20= line as the rest of my kit?.....perhaps this is just another of those misbel= iefs that i have about things.....and indeed ONLY LOOPS WILL BE PLAYED OUT O= F THESE SPEAKERS.....michael



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 18:09:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F3623BF0B; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=e9BOQ59dW9fqU3f4i4qotu6PM5BqTxr8LDCAic0AQ72BPEY4pd1qW+JSeqRtV+LzZeX+ZAK7ms4rLF21yYvNMMtaIgL1z8ayrvSh19kPbvMsoCDRhKTayIYxhBs2J1q8dvVqvNuafbPqpJF/tUCTksT3q2g2k1z8y25Ttywt41c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R6c8JO7pRPmXBso/Cv5m+94TmbnBdIlSId+mfCQ0fg2vXbtOuCPvAKcvXnQ5/kqQEyazb6KmmIVxe/FZnhn2wmTyPqa+7A2hJIRVdIPzvFfeAAqtuI+vqpsVALl5ukLgBtOs5gmA/tFo4/ngzgcyhb4Sq6XMA8LS3is/gGKC+7A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: 2 good articles on Thomas Dolby looping Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:08:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:09:00 +0000 (UTC) http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/12/thomas-dolby-on-music-making- past-and-future-the-cdm-interview/ is a general introduction to TD, where he also talks about the new (non-declining) music industry. http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/07/13/thomas-dolby-extras-live- performance-technical-details-logic-maxmsp/ is where he gives out all the gritty details of how he pulls off those live gigs where he's building up up his pop songs from scratch, loop for loop. When he is talking about looping here he means MIDI looping. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Jul 14 21:49:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465F73BF1F; Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--16165341 Message-Id: From: Ted Killian Subject: Re: It's Ted Killian's fault Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:44:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:49:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--16165341 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hmmmm, Well I'm not sure how it's my fault, heheh. But I do like the tracks you posted . . . very much. Very Pendereckian . . . especially the later piece. And I mean that in the best way possible. If I could be said (even jokingly) to be "at fault" for any of it I would be very proud to be so. Cool devices too. They'd look perfectly at home in the control panel of the TARDIS. Cheers, Ted On Jul 13, 2007, at 16:42, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Seeing Ted Killian post on the same day that someone mentioned the > Moog Ring Mod reminded me of this. I had a device built by artist Tim > Kaiser (http://www.timkaiser.org/) which was, sort of, inspired by > Ted's comments on the DD-20 on the tools page (although it has little > in common with those). What it is is two PDS-1002s and a PDS 20/20, > modified (via trim pot) for longer delays, and wired in parallel with > a pretty clever, Kaiser-designed, interface. It's a looping device in > the "latching delay" fashion. The three delays can be independently > latched, mixed (along with the dry), and do pitch effects with the > delay time. (The footpedal also controls the latches.) The 1002s have > some sort of pre/post gain thing -- it doesn't seem to make much > difference in practice. The 20/20 can do some very strange modulation > effects (the extended delay times seems to really wig it out). > > Here's a picture of it: > > http://www.timkaiser.org/FX59Kelly.jpg > > and the footpedal: > > http://www.timkaiser.org/FX59KellyB.jpg > > I've made two, pretty similar, recordings with it. The first is a Tele > into the aforementioned ring mod: > > http://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/bells.mp3 > > The second is a Casio VL-1 directly into the unit, but it does show > off the 20/20 doing its modulation thing: > > http://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/3_6_7.mp3 > > All that just FYI, although sometime we ought to have a "latched > delay" versus "sampler style" looping discussion again. (I guess there > was one a long time ago which I sort of remember from lurking.) --Apple-Mail-1--16165341 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Arial0000,0000,0000Hmmmm, Well I'm not sure how it's my fault, heheh. But I do like the tracks you posted . . . very much. Very Pendereckian . . . especially the later piece. And I mean that in the best way possible. If I could be said (even jokingly) to be "at fault" for any of it I would be very proud to be so. Cool devices too. They'd look perfectly at home in the control panel of the TARDIS. Cheers, Ted On Jul 13, 2007, at 16:42, Kelly Coyle wrote: Seeing Ted Killian post on the same day that someone mentioned the Moog Ring Mod reminded me of this. I had a device built by artist Tim Kaiser (0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.timkaiser.org/) which was, sort of, inspired by Ted's comments on the DD-20 on the tools page (although it has little in common with those). What it is is two PDS-1002s and a PDS 20/20, modified (via trim pot) for longer delays, and wired in parallel with a pretty clever, Kaiser-designed, interface. It's a looping device in the "latching delay" fashion. The three delays can be independently latched, mixed (along with the dry), and do pitch effects with the delay time. (The footpedal also controls the latches.) The 1002s have some sort of pre/post gain thing -- it doesn't seem to make much difference in practice. The 20/20 can do some very strange modulation effects (the extended delay times seems to really wig it out). Here's a picture of it: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.timkaiser.org/FX59Kelly.jpg and the footpedal: < 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://www.timkaiser.org/FX59KellyB.jpg I've made two, pretty similar, recordings with it. The first is a Tele into the aforementioned ring mod: 0000,0000,EEEE http://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/bells.mp3 The second is a Casio VL-1 directly into the unit, but it does show off the 20/20 doing its modulation thing: 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://kellycoyle.net/newmusic/3_6_7.mp3 All that just FYI, although sometime we ought to have a "latched delay" versus "sampler style" looping discussion again. (I guess there was one a long time ago which I sort of remember from lurking.) --Apple-Mail-1--16165341-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 01:12:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0A743BF19; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00f201c7c549$ac3c0e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <00f201c7c549$ac3c0e90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E85D89D-BB1C-467C-BC07-83FF0F32C323@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: Pirhanha Guitar Bow Review Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:06:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for this review Rick, sounds great! I can't wait to hear what it sounds like on an electric. Mark On Jul 13, 2007, at 5:31 AM, RICK WALKER wrote: > Well, the Pirhanha bow invention designed specifically for guitars > that was mentioned in the > "Re: bows for guitars" thread came in the mail today and I was > able to put it through it's > paces on a 12 string acoustic steel string guitar. > > Because of it's size I could not get long bowing techniques (like > dragging a cello bow across > the E string of an electric guitar) but I was able to get some > really beautiful > rhythmic things out of it. Additionally, it did beautiful things > to the harmonics of the guitar > depending on where I bowed it, physically. > > I was also delighted by some of the very ethereal sounds I was able > to make by bowing very, very lightly. > I got some very magical sounds out of some very simple chordal > patterns.........really ethereal sounds > that I"ve never gotten out of this particular guitar ( a 12 string > Hummingbird copy that sounds rather nice). > > I have yet to try it on electric. It didn't seem to have enough > muster to use on bass. I tried it on > my Turner acoustic electric fretless without much good result and > my Fender P-J custom bass, again, > without much good effect. > > Tomorrow when I have some time, I"ll put it through it's paces on > mandolin, bowed psaltery, autoharp, > oud, saz and even hammer dulcimer. I imagine it will sound great. > > I also noticed that it seems really durable, unlike most horse hair > bows which get trashed over time > when bowing a guitar. > > All in all, it sounds completely different than I anticipated but > I was so pleased with what I discovered it can > do that I"m very, very happy to have spent $30 USD on it. > > Warning, it really takes some coordination to get something > musical out of it, but after half an hour I was > able to do all kinds of things, espeicially in the rhythmic > world..........and it really sounded 'bowed'. > > Now, if they would just make a larger one for bass guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 01:15:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BC193BF2C; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <1509082263.1184366217518.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> References: <1509082263.1184366217518.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D6BF5F4-97EB-43F0-8776-730D9BB1045E@zerocrossing.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: please forgive me but I had to share this Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:09:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Ah! I had that organ many moons ago! (Vox Continental) Memories... On Jul 13, 2007, at 3:36 PM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > O.M.G. > > That was too strange . . . and cool in a really weird way. > > Thanks for sharin' Rick. > > I'd always heard of Graham Bond but never heard him. > > tEd =AE kiLLiAn > > ---- RICK WALKER wrote: >> GONKS GO BEAT >> a 1965 movie with great footage of the >> Graham Bond Organization with John McLaughlin, >> Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Dick Heckstall-Smith, Lulu and Graham Bond. >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=3Dd7vlaA-H-dU&mode=3Drelated&search=3D >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 04:12:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BB2B3BF25; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new noise piece Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 04:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Today I finished a piece based on an idea I saw on another maillist I read, that was looking for pieces for a show with a post-glitch /bricoleur /gomi no sensei theme. Slipping Discs - 6:06, 4MB mp3 http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/slipping_discs.mp3 Live looping improvisational. Contact mic, gone-bad CD, tools, loop pedals, Moog MF-104 analog delay, Electro-Harmonix Polyphonic Octave Generator. Archived on Subscape Annex Sounds. http://www.subscapeannex.com/sounds.html thanks, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 05:15:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C58C03BF0B; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070714220519.0244d4b8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:16:54 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Daryl Shawn last night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-50147A2E Resent-Message-ID: <2YmpKC.A.tqG.r1amGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:15:23 +0000 (UTC) Hey All, just wanted to drop a quick note to let those of you who may not have had the pleasure of seeing Daryl Shawn perform yet, know that he is simply a MUST SEE!!! :) This is a bit off topic in the respect that he did no looping in this particular show, but as a singer / song-writer, he is absolutely phenomenal!!! His energy and stage presence is great, as well as his vocal / guitar playing talents. To say his show is a treat, would be a vast understatement; He made me smile, and charged this particular genre with new life! I had an absolute blast!!! :) If you can, by all means SEE HIM!!! Daryl, YOU ROCK!!! Keep it up and I look forward to catching you again soon!!!... Smiles, Cara :) --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 07:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 980803BF21; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sme1XO+y86YNafouPCugB5FsZn4x/ZogOTgpaHqmm4MDunlMs09fArqDNgOZsnxy+lqhqOSZa5+YlkVPGloNs4hp2NOIyRcoRfY7GWH5RUCZOwPNeUyogq97MirjQw8tXPKcCvVkAqQc8ap23JV4LZnh5vrIUyJqdpsy2xYbLbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WyTYPjNr9SCNIUxSPsrC59x16DBJzPeU477+Nr3JaLXTAkQSZo02D/xaJNSVrXdMxPG7uK0Ug+ciOef5+mTnlhLLYnZfYDZQyAZa1vo6J8iv8E1iOyp1s9OPKFMH0hWtslQLUG2ueu7iig2TBHrmCM4KzHUeKP3/UL4IxsoUxOM= In-Reply-To: <8D6BF5F4-97EB-43F0-8776-730D9BB1045E@zerocrossing.net> References: <1509082263.1184366217518.JavaMail.root@fepweb07> <8D6BF5F4-97EB-43F0-8776-730D9BB1045E@zerocrossing.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24310BA6-25F2-414E-B38D-FCED7671E53F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: please forgive me but I had to share this Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:34:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:35:06 +0000 (UTC) On 15 jul 2007, at 03.09, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Ah! I had that organ many moons ago! (Vox Continental) > > Memories... Me too... or another one of the same model ;-) Eventually. Mine was a Vox Continental Super 2. I later on swapped it for a Farfisa, the one with all those colorful draw-bars and buttons (received an Elka lesley cab as well with that swap, which made a nice guitar amp) ...BTW, the movie were great fun, Rick! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 12:19:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABC43BF52; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: biamplified monitors Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:19:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001001c7c6da$66628010$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfGOmK4XcteQkxcRdSKLzYdBGUWZQAn33Nw X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0hw1ey/y3M= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Two versions of an answer, one of them in jest: > your kit.....and i have always wondered about the old adage that all your stuff should come off the same electrical line > to keep the signal clean and avoid hum, so my corncern is, are the outlets that my monitors are plugged into the same > line as the rest of my kit?.....perhaps this is just another of those misbeliefs that i have about things.....and indeed > ONLY LOOPS WILL BE PLAYED OUT OF THESE SPEAKERS.....michael Answer 1: Depending on the monitors you're using and of your feed to the monitors, if the connection is symmetrical on both sides, hum due to stuff running from different power feeds will not be a problem. I know that the 1202 has symmetrical main outs (and I think all other outs are symmetrical, too), and most monitors are as well. Answer 2: People tell you to plug all stuff into one outlet for one reason: to avoid ground loops. So if ONLY LOOPS WILL BE PLAYED, this shouldn't be a concern anyways ;) All the best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 12:41:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEC723BF50; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: www.michaelpeters.de - new version online Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:41:12 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c7c6dd$6e74aa00$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfG3Wz5bBoVc27JQ7K7bUWUax0yxg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:41:18 +0000 (UTC) the completely new www.michaelpeters.de is finally online - containing images and information about all musical projects I was involved in since the mid-seventies! and literally hours of streaming mp3 - from the earliest musical catastrophes and vintage tape loops to recent field recordings, soundscapes, and computer music. Have fun! Michael Peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 15:18:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CC653BF10; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:18:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:18:42 EDT Subject: Re: AW: biamplified monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c1c.19070a87.33cb94d2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <_ktHMB.A.lLC.ZrjmGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:18:50 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c1c.19070a87.33cb94d2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/15/07 8:19:28 AM, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > Two versions of an answer, one of them in jest: > rainer.....thnaks for the answer.....i hope you had on your MR.ELECTRICITY tuxedo when you wrote this response!.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_c1c.19070a87.33cb94d2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 7/15/07 8:19:28 AM, rs@moinlabs.de writes:


Two versions of an an= swer, one of them in jest:


rainer.....thnaks for the answer.....i hope you had on your MR.ELECTRICIT= Y tuxedo when you wrote this response!.....:).....michael



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Get a sneak= peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_c1c.19070a87.33cb94d2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 16:03:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B4C63BF15; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=lDBEXM9qG+fLMraHphIuEUIVjeh2KMuzXzSpNPaIJFUmDWF+jGAc37tQTTZjQ1FM1BOp07RjLgilkXCm2nmssiqj2p4YYqxp1ERi/4nAnVmaOOH4fN88k/pqBU/mWtOrLkNpp5UIGx4Y0dpInk1VFCgaW5IGeJMctjstpOy2ETE=; X-YMail-OSG: 91bOtocVM1k7o08.Ir_BwvZ2JN2chCVNZEfHiT3fNDFzY7HTmEG9Dlm_q6C3Oa8QRyFK3cSVZy5l4GZw3WVzzyjRS3A6f6ECJ0VofycvFNvuNUFDP1tPOFSZavOYew-- Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: AW: biamplified monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c7c6da$66628010$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <213140.62840.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, It isn't one outlet you are concerned about. It's that ALL used outlets should be on the same leg of power in the panel. Rig --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Two versions of an answer, one of them in jest: > > > your kit.....and i have always wondered about the > old adage that all your > stuff should come off the same electrical line > > to keep the signal clean and avoid hum, so my > corncern is, are the outlets > that my monitors are plugged into the same > > line as the rest of my kit?.....perhaps this is > just another of those > misbeliefs that i have about things.....and indeed > > ONLY LOOPS WILL BE > PLAYED OUT OF THESE SPEAKERS.....michael > > Answer 1: Depending on the monitors you're using and > of your feed to the > monitors, if the connection is symmetrical on both > sides, hum due to stuff > running from different power feeds will not be a > problem. I know that the > 1202 has symmetrical main outs (and I think all > other outs are symmetrical, > too), and most monitors are as well. > > Answer 2: People tell you to plug all stuff into one > outlet for one reason: > to avoid ground loops. So if ONLY LOOPS WILL BE > PLAYED, this shouldn't be a > concern anyways ;) > > All the best, > > Rainer > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Jul 15 16:27:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DA603BF10; Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0wVJql2xqbxx8KlSk5DL6YqNLUmjIE79t66fhbRgM4WeqiSeBxYoaiVTkychw+P5rozYI9vAPZ6Hja8/wz2oq5ArVmZzOZkJy+1RHBANTjRabROXUs80GIkYKPA0N9eVTAvjZSdfXdW53RL5c75MVhL4ZdjcZhD6JiLUDoa33Xw=; X-YMail-OSG: 3XYfFwgVM1kC7xZiRxtr4bZUhWM7c.VyK4CuYNUxT35V2M5PydMOll.SeIykGY9l0d81JyyKTudIZIScxm0QtsQyAnBmb7Ugfl1uAx1qBIYP69MQxZxMR.PxbL1OHIRaRRQ6Gj2OKf9K3zk. Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: biamplified monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <554302.23551.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, You want to make sure, if you use muultiple outlets, that they come off the same leg. In a standard single phase panel,that means every othet breker going down one side, or the next diagonel breaker up or down on the opposite side. Yhis will ensure that you are using the same leg. On a 3 phse panel, it gets a little more complicated. Rig --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i was just offered $1000.00 for my two srm > 450s.....it cost me $400.oo to use > these speakers for several years so i'm quite happy > with the price.....now > what do i replace them with that 1) cost no more > than $1000 for both, 2) can be > used as my only studio speakers and 3) can be used > as my p.a. speakers (mackie > 1202 vlz) if and when i play out.....if this deal > falls through i will not be > the least bit unhappy, i love the srms and that's > why i had kids so that they > can carry these beasts down and up to my 3rd. floor > studio.....;).....my only > problem is that the srm 450s are total OVERKILL for > what i do.....for $200 > more i can buy 4 srm 150s, has anyone played with > these?.....they look soooo > small, they say in their ads that you can get an > addaptor to put them on your mic > stand.....if that's the case, i'll make a hat out of > one and .....one word of > advice to rune is "powered monitors" need to be > plugged into an electrical > source and i have often found that the need for 2 > more outlets can be a problem > at some gigs depending where you place the speakers > in relation to the rest of > your kit.....and i have always wondered about the > old adage that all your > stuff should come off the same electrical line to > keep the signal clean and avoid > hum, so my corncern is, are the outlets that my > monitors are plugged into the > same line as the rest of my kit?.....perhaps this is > just another of those > misbeliefs that i have about things.....and indeed > ONLY LOOPS WILL BE PLAYED OUT > OF THESE SPEAKERS.....michael > > > > www.ct-collective.com > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 08:43:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF0F53BF15; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <469B2F90.2010209@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:42:56 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_iTGe.A.LmH.V-ymGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > On the other hand, it may be that the RIAA are using too heavy tools as > their administrative routines when assembling the tariffs for using > others songs in public (money that are distributed back to the > composers). But be careful not throwing away the respect for composer's > work only because of some brown shirt attitude clerks. What they asked for must have been significantly more than they paid for the pianist alone, with the result that the composer gets nothing and the pianist lost his job. My experience with the RIAA/Gema family of corporations is, that they claim they protect the artists, but they are only interested to protect the publishers. There is a reason why Stockhausen founded his own publishing company... They look where the big bucks are and don't care about the small. I am still memeber of the Gema but seriously considering to quit, because they do a bad job... (95% of all Gema authorities are purely lawers...) If you should get small amounts of money, like maybe 5 Euros from a web radio, the Gema won't pay it to you, because its so little, instead they collect it and distribute it mainly to the big guys who have too much already. I'd love to find a authors rights corpoartion which would allow me to puplish my work under a creative commons license and still let them effectively take care about royalties for commercial use... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 08:43:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4BF3BF1E; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:43:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <469B2F9E.5010103@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:43:10 +0200 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Macintosh/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Fripp & Eno 1973 / BBC / Peel /RIAA References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:43:14 +0000 (UTC) phaslem@wightman.ca schrieb: > It's the notorious web site Allofmp3 based in Russia who showed the > record industry that people are happy to pay for downloaded music when > they can get the format they want and for about 1/4 the price the > corporate sanctioned web sites are charging. Just to show you how > powerful the record industry is, the President himself spoke to and put > pressure on the Russian prime minister to close the site down, couple to > that that the RIAA filed a 1.65 trillion dollar lawsuit against them and > that Russia wasn't going to be allowed into the World Trade Association > unless they closed AllofMp3 down..... well they didn't really stand a > chance. They basically want them to shut down because nothing of that "1/4 of the price" would go to the authors, I would not pay anything if the authors don't get a share, then its better to pirate than paying to some obscure russian site... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 10:54:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1A0E3BF0B; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:49:30 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid In-reply-to: <33525219.1184575651909.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <469B5B4A.2090205@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <9D406312-704A-4B45-9672-C727AC7BFFF9@gmail.com> <33525219.1184575651909.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Per Boysen schrieb: > >> On the other hand, it may be that the RIAA are using too heavy tools >> as their administrative routines when assembling the tariffs for >> using others songs in public (money that are distributed back to the >> composers). But be careful not throwing away the respect for >> composer's work only because of some brown shirt attitude clerks. > > What they asked for must have been significantly more than they paid > for the pianist alone, Of course, because it's a year-long license. But then the music in the joint is covered for a year. Like someone said in a previous post, that turns out to be about $20 per week. I don't know the cost of the license so I can't say how accurate that figure is. I'm sure that the cost varies with venue size. In the US, you'll often see a license posted on the wall that declares the legal capacity that the local authorities allow in a venue. > with the result that the composer gets nothing and the pianist lost > his job. My experience with the RIAA/Gema family of corporations is, > that they claim they protect the artists, but they are only interested > to protect the publishers. There is a reason why Stockhausen founded > his own publishing company... So he wouldn't have to share his money with a publisher. That has nothing to do with PROs. True, the PROs pay the publishers and publishers typically take half and pay the remainder to the composer. But if you don't have a publisher, the you are, essentially, self-publishing and the PRO must pay you directly, leaving no "middle man" to take half. > They look where the big bucks are and don't care about the small. I am > still memeber of the Gema but seriously considering to quit, because > they do a bad job... (95% of all Gema authorities are purely lawers...) > > If you should get small amounts of money, like maybe 5 Euros from a > web radio, the Gema won't pay it to you, because its so little, > instead they collect it and distribute it mainly to the big guys who > have too much already. I'd love to find a authors rights corpoartion > which would allow me to puplish my work under a creative commons > license and still let them effectively take care about royalties for > commercial use... IF a PRO like GEMA isn't meeting the needs of its members, then either the members need to band together and force them to change from within or they need to leave and find a PRO that *does* meet their needs... *if* there is one! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:29:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72A23BF0E; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8D7374FE-5018-4D83-9279-561D0EE63C5E@baymoon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Looking for a new looper Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:29:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Is there anything out there with the following features: * Stereo * Threshold recording -- I essentially want to arm it, start playing, and then hit a button when it's time to repeat * Multiply * Feedback control * Good MIDI clock generation * Good MIDI clock sync A pair of stereo channels would be better. If I give up stereo, the EDP does this just fine (and I've got three of them). My understanding is that stereo fights with threshold recording on the EDP. Sigh. The downfall for the Repeater in this regard is that it has a reputation for being a lousy MIDI clock source. Did they fix that in 2.0.1? The Looperlative and the 2880 both actually look rather similar vis-a- vis this feature set (though the Looperlative is obviously bigger at 8 tracks, supports non-synchronized tracks, has lots of MIDI support, etc), but they neither multiply nor support threshold recording from what I can tell. My understanding is that the RC-50 lacks feedback control. Is that correct? Am I missing any cases? Have I mischaracterized anything? This all comes up because I've been finding new joy in my HandSonic and my MachineDrum using the former to control the latter and building up loops in a single EDP. But I really wish it was stereo and I really would like to set one stereo pair to playing a steady pulse while jamming in another stereo pair with feedback set fairly low. Any suggestions? Do I just need to ditch all of this hardware and go to a computer-based system with a small mobile guitar rig for Y2K# events? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 18:41:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61B463BF15; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hgC/8Dvl8Au1JIo3qABazjjlq3eumnksDUUZSEdCGw3S5F1z+q4Ur/1PutkV9+f/WQ6aAfb2NXDbc5+rA8fzu7+DoIWYh6dJTJf8SFv9j4JzLu65zz1F3Nm7RkskV5WwMaMJRafL/KnMOQVQhPXubasXNzaEIrT/ACk2XXZuUDI=; X-YMail-OSG: 78L0I0gVM1nRH2.2hDIUwXqn1J.nHIvHruWuNI4XUZnPVGgYu38lodhkq0k9cmYmcI..cCHIOFcKmPayWmOR2oBZpo_MgMoljpHV3IelaT8VnUMMjlVBTyqrYLdBpQ-- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8D7374FE-5018-4D83-9279-561D0EE63C5E@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1895518773-1184611303=:52102" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <633493.52102.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <91vIM.A.fgB.pv7mGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:41:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-1895518773-1184611303=:52102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out the specs for the RIFF BOX by Backline Engineering; piques my interest for $320... http://www.backline-eng.com/RiffBox.html Mark Hamburg wrote: Is there anything out there with the following features: * Stereo * Threshold recording -- I essentially want to arm it, start playing, and then hit a button when it's time to repeat * Multiply * Feedback control * Good MIDI clock generation * Good MIDI clock sync A pair of stereo channels would be better. If I give up stereo, the EDP does this just fine (and I've got three of them). My understanding is that stereo fights with threshold recording on the EDP. Sigh. The downfall for the Repeater in this regard is that it has a reputation for being a lousy MIDI clock source. Did they fix that in 2.0.1? The Looperlative and the 2880 both actually look rather similar vis-a- vis this feature set (though the Looperlative is obviously bigger at 8 tracks, supports non-synchronized tracks, has lots of MIDI support, etc), but they neither multiply nor support threshold recording from what I can tell. My understanding is that the RC-50 lacks feedback control. Is that correct? Am I missing any cases? Have I mischaracterized anything? This all comes up because I've been finding new joy in my HandSonic and my MachineDrum using the former to control the latter and building up loops in a single EDP. But I really wish it was stereo and I really would like to set one stereo pair to playing a steady pulse while jamming in another stereo pair with feedback set fairly low. Any suggestions? Do I just need to ditch all of this hardware and go to a computer-based system with a small mobile guitar rig for Y2K# events? Mark --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --0-1895518773-1184611303=:52102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out the specs for the RIFF BOX by Backline Engineering; piques my interest for $320...

http://www.backline-eng.com/RiffBox.html



Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:
Is there anything out there with the following features:

* Stereo

* Threshold recording -- I essentially want to arm it, start playing,
and then hit a button when it's time to repeat

* Multiply

* Feedback control

* Good MIDI clock generation

* Good MIDI clock sync

A pair of stereo channels would be better.

If I give up stereo, the EDP does this just fine (and I've got three
of them). My understanding is that stereo fights with threshold
recording on the EDP. Sigh.

The downfall for the Repeater in this regard is that it has a
reputation for being a lousy MIDI clock source. Did they fix that in
2.0.1?

The Looperlative and the 2880 both actually look rather similar vis-a-
vis this feature set (though the Looperlative is obviously bigger at
8 tracks, supports non-synchronized tracks, has lots of MIDI support,
etc), but they neither multiply nor support threshold recording from
what I can tell.

My understanding is that the RC-50 lacks feedback control. Is that
correct?

Am I missing any cases? Have I mischaracterized anything?

This all comes up because I've been finding new joy in my HandSonic
and my MachineDrum using the former to control the latter and
building up loops in a single EDP. But I really wish it was stereo
and I really would like to set one stereo pair to playing a steady
pulse while jamming in another stereo pair with feedback set fairly low.

Any suggestions? Do I just need to ditch all of this hardware and go
to a computer-based system with a small mobile guitar rig for Y2K#
events?

Mark



Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.
Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --0-1895518773-1184611303=:52102-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:12:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA40F3BF1A; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Looking for a new looper Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:12:08 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c7c7dd$386b89a0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7C7A2.8C0CB1A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <633493.52102.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfH2PdYxgyOEOCiQv+800T5hQIq8wAAh+Rg Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <8RDuC.A.1YD.aM8mGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:12:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7C7A2.8C0CB1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I looked at that device before I went Mobius and what stopped me was = that it generates clock, but does not sync to an external clock. =20 Mark, I think Mobius does all you ask for. though I personally don't use = it for all you mention so I can't speak for all the functions. Jeff = recently added my coveted "preset your loop length to host bar" function in the latest beta release, and I imagine a v 1.3 release is close at hand with = a lot of new great features, many of them having to do with being able to write scripts to initiate complex functions. =20 Mark =20 -----Original Message----- From: Michael [mailto:michaelbrian76@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper =20 Check out the specs for the RIFF BOX by Backline Engineering; piques my interest for $320... http://www.backline-eng.com/RiffBox.html Mark Hamburg wrote: Is there anything out there with the following features: * Stereo * Threshold recording -- I essentially want to arm it, start playing,=20 and then hit a button when it's time to repeat * Multiply * Feedback control * Good MIDI clock generation * Good MIDI clock sync A pair of stereo channels would be better. If I give up stereo, the EDP does this just fine (and I've got three=20 of them). My understanding is that stereo fights with threshold=20 recording on the EDP. Sigh. The downfall for the Repeater in this regard is that it has a=20 reputation for being a lousy MIDI clock source. Did they fix that in=20 2.0.1? The Looperlative and the 2880 both actually look rather similar vis-a-=20 vis this feature set (though the Looperlative is obviously bigger at=20 8 tracks, supports non-synchronized tracks, has lots of MIDI support,=20 etc), but they neither multiply nor support threshold recording from=20 what I can tell. My understanding is that the RC-50 lacks feedback control. Is that=20 correct? Am I missing any cases? Have I mischaracterized anything? This all comes up because I've been finding new joy in my HandSonic=20 and my MachineDrum using the former to control the latter and=20 building up loops in a single EDP. But I really wish it was stereo=20 and I really would like to set one stereo pair to playing a steady=20 pulse while jamming in another stereo pair with feedback set fairly low. Any suggestions? Do I just need to ditch all of this hardware and go=20 to a computer-based system with a small mobile guitar rig for Y2K#=20 events? Mark =20 =20 _____ =20 Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit = the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7C7A2.8C0CB1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I looked at that device before I = went Mobius and what stopped me was that it generates clock, but does not sync to an external clock.

 

Mark, I think Mobius does all you = ask for… though I personally don’t use it for all you mention so I = can’t speak for all the functions.  Jeff recently added my coveted = “preset your loop length to host bar” function in the latest beta release, = and I imagine a v 1.3 release is close at hand with a lot of new great = features, many of them having to do with being able to write scripts to initiate = complex functions.

 

Mark

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Michael [mailto:michaelbrian76@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, July 16, = 2007 11:42 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Looking for = a new looper

 

Check out the specs for the RIFF BOX by = Backline Engineering; piques my interest for $320...

http://www.backline-eng.com/RiffBox.html



Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com> wrote:

Is there anything out there with the following features:

* Stereo

* Threshold recording -- I essentially want to arm it, start playing, =
and then hit a button when it's time to repeat

* Multiply

* Feedback control

* Good MIDI clock generation

* Good MIDI clock sync

A pair of stereo channels would be better.

If I give up stereo, the EDP does this just fine (and I've got three =
of them). My understanding is that stereo fights with threshold
recording on the EDP. Sigh.

The downfall for the Repeater in this regard is that it has a
reputation for being a lousy MIDI clock source. Did they fix that in =
2.0.1?

The Looperlative and the 2880 both actually look rather similar vis-a- =
vis this feature set (though the Looperlative is obviously bigger at =
8 tracks, supports non-synchronized tracks, has lots of MIDI support, =
etc), but they neither multiply nor support threshold recording from =
what I can tell.

My understanding is that the RC-50 lacks feedback control. Is that
correct?

Am I missing any cases? Have I mischaracterized anything?

This all comes up because I've been finding new joy in my HandSonic
and my MachineDrum using the former to control the latter and
building up loops in a single EDP. But I really wish it was stereo
and I really would like to set one stereo pair to playing a steady
pulse while jamming in another stereo pair with feedback set fairly = low.

Any suggestions? Do I just need to ditch all of this hardware and go =
to a computer-based system with a small mobile guitar rig for Y2K#
events?

Mark

 

 


Park yourself in front of a world of choices = in alternative vehicles.
Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.

------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C7C7A2.8C0CB1A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:34:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE453BEFA; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=FlmAitgKDmFM/lSuuYZUnnTw3uyYbDuTL0L+axCR83f1YGU90OcVvpMw7Kozt9z0V4UPuhDp0u4ROb+pLNbMai1AeJU1Q9lV02qHubtdlBUAZe6uJJKc0Nk2N0mKfmyPeQUAS0hr/SXSxuGGpJIBwyRYVEbvgWzbqTKTNTj4j24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=N5KP+/Yhy1xXAGSg5chSYMbIWphJZN9rQjtxtVLZD+YCjxBv/UzodRJ5KBzcqgwYFattA4RqFm2g0sud8WoY5dmb1k9aTM38ErSyAy969nf767x+x0m1YaZim2+VgXaGI1rBn+2oW0X8EpUyM92+0U15bgwBNZuOpyFA9mOKQtQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120707161234j36ccde29y1a6d5d53c78a14c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:34:49 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper In-Reply-To: <633493.52102.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8D7374FE-5018-4D83-9279-561D0EE63C5E@baymoon.com> <633493.52102.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e71b87a3c957021c Resent-Message-ID: <0-zabD.A.5AF.bh8mGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:34:51 +0000 (UTC) On 7/16/07, Michael wrote: > Check out the specs for the RIFF BOX by Backline Engineering; piques my > interest for $320... > > http://www.backline-eng.com/RiffBox.html > > > > Mark Hamburg wrote: > Is there anything out there with the following features: > > * Stereo > > * Threshold recording -- I essentially want to arm it, start playing, > and then hit a button when it's time to repeat > > * Multiply > > * Feedback control > > * Good MIDI clock generation > > * Good MIDI clock sync > > A pair of stereo channels would be better. > > If I give up stereo, the EDP does this just fine (and I've got three > of them). My understanding is that stereo fights with threshold > recording on the EDP. Sigh. > > The downfall for the Repeater in this regard is that it has a > reputation for being a lousy MIDI clock source. Did they fix that in > 2.0.1? The Repeater is a fine MIDI clock source -- it's pretty bad at being a MIDI clock slave. That said, this looks like a lovely machine and quite cheap.... anyone own it? > > The Looperlative and the 2880 both actually look rather similar vis-a- > vis this feature set (though the Looperlative is obviously bigger at > 8 tracks, supports non-synchronized tracks, has lots of MIDI support, > etc), but they neither multiply nor support threshold recording from > what I can tell. > > My understanding is that the RC-50 lacks feedback control. Is that > correct? > > Am I missing any cases? Have I mischaracterized anything? > > This all comes up because I've been finding new joy in my HandSonic > and my MachineDrum using the former to control the latter and > building up loops in a single EDP. But I really wish it was stereo > and I really would like to set one stereo pair to playing a steady > pulse while jamming in another stereo pair with feedback set fairly low. > > Any suggestions? Do I just need to ditch all of this hardware and go > to a computer-based system with a small mobile guitar rig for Y2K# > events? > > Mark > > > > > ________________________________ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:49:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 526193BF05; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UcaHYPN63EZvzIsEDtYY76cl8p2B4Jn4f+LpdFUZ2J1aV+PPPvGOY6sDHcQQHYqoYwJ7AXDZ9NFpJgydQgAorM+ILDa01Ha6EOQJAXQMDQPuanUHiqSCBpUEDCvyqnc2yjfV92lODiQmHexyhCcF1C9XYDZgDYE7LNsiMVIYVoQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Xh48yNKJJ+b2U8uBvstMBkFdjm900xJWhey/o/K4NRRqBtsQzJm4YIxZ8e2rgyVmff99gMUgz0c6T1u6G8CmOyIcvR3/A6mk2jRdWOFnW9wIZQ6ECrZXNbSix26hamVEbbYlUfhRaxgpWZFM6p5bYmFNMqPnSmeZbUorB7/4vKo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:49:55 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper In-Reply-To: <8D7374FE-5018-4D83-9279-561D0EE63C5E@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8D7374FE-5018-4D83-9279-561D0EE63C5E@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:49:58 +0000 (UTC) On 7/16/07, Mark Hamburg wrote: > The Looperlative and the 2880 both actually look rather similar vis-a- > vis this feature set (though the Looperlative is obviously bigger at > 8 tracks, supports non-synchronized tracks, has lots of MIDI support, > etc), but they neither multiply nor support threshold recording from > what I can tell. The Looperlative has commands to double, triple or quadruple the length of your loop... -- -Doug http://www.analognotes.com http://www.stoogepanels.com http://www.dougwellington.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 19:50:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3D93BF23; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Looking for a new looper Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:50:15 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c7c7e2$8a8b74c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120707161234j36ccde29y1a6d5d53c78a14c2@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfH4GLygrLDCQxTTh6+0lwuEo9N+wAAaIDQ Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Me thinks your wrong on that one. Unless something's changed a lot = since v1.1, the Repeater was an amazing (maybe the best) slave to a MIDI = clock. I could slow my drum machine down from 120 to 40 bpm and the Repeater = would be right on it. It's glaring problem was it's MIDI clock out was horrible. They claim = to have fixed the clock out in v2 but I don't have any personal experience = with it. -----Original Message----- From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf = Of Tom Ritchford Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper The Repeater is a fine MIDI clock source -- it's pretty bad at being a MIDI clock slave. That said, this looks like a lovely machine and quite cheap.... anyone = own it? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 20:49:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3603BF20; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <469BBDBF.6070808@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:49:35 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Daryl Shawn last night References: <20070716191227.C471E3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070716191227.C471E3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) aw Cara, thanks so much for the complimentary words, and especially for coming out - it was great to meet you! looking forward to catching up at Y2k7 and can't wait to see you play! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 20:54:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D544D3BF28; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005f01c7c7dd$386b89a0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <005f01c7c7dd$386b89a0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3BBA6B1E-33C0-4329-A751-C7591F221735@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:54:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-y8RoC.A.QTC.1r9mGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:54:13 +0000 (UTC) On 16 Jul 2007, at 12:12 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Mark, I think Mobius does all you ask for=85 though I personally =20 > don=92t use it for all you mention so I can=92t speak for all the =20 > functions. Jeff recently added my coveted =93preset your loop length =20= > to host bar=94 function in the latest beta release, and I imagine a v =20= > 1.3 release is close at hand with a lot of new great features, many =20= > of them having to do with being able to write scripts to initiate =20 > complex functions. Indeed it does look like it does everything I need (though I will say =20= the Riff Box looks slick in the demos). Down sides: * I've resisted going the laptop route because I have yet to see a =20 laptop that didn't seem awkward to set up in a portable situation. =20 (Okay. Wally Schnalle seems to have found a reasonable way to mix it =20 in with his drum kit.) * Generally, I'm a Mac guy. That said, I've been contemplating dumping hardware synths for =20 virtual synths... Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 20:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D3D83BF05; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NXWyLMMNY0LGUlhW79ghoUJ4JU8nnoOcUr0Tu5IJxu73SIDkpKHIo0Fy38Syg1h17jQX67/xUJvRaoYra9L9IsuC36Ga08dOyWWO6K8KLxVRtT9TberL+8+MOaiyth036eg+PyUi1nxPPSWwFkW0oD3WQyPBngh/ODGA7iFykGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=R3PFZy0mLOmz2C87PJ/3rzOHxeTC0Ltcd7U241tMbICG1R0cFXW2lMQMJzHP0UMDVzkecJY+Vab5HIJszX6sj4dY0jixkgSkVhPZOazKo+jNfFM9SMpGiaTNYQbrjeJ78jJhgWZ9rnqjDbEbWmnBIX5MjZjPgpQWaHQgju6iO3E= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:59:19 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper In-Reply-To: <006401c7c7e2$8a8b74c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_65317_32716745.1184619559320" References: <26ba8d120707161234j36ccde29y1a6d5d53c78a14c2@mail.gmail.com> <006401c7c7e2$8a8b74c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:59:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_65317_32716745.1184619559320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The 'wizard' features both repulse and invite. Getting a clean loop ending has always been the price of admission to this art. Wonder how it works with more complex material? End on a given note and/or number of notes looks interesting. I like the simplicity of the interface and portability a lot. ------=_Part_65317_32716745.1184619559320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The 'wizard' features both repulse and invite. Getting a clean loop ending has always been the price of admission to this art. Wonder how it works with more complex material? End on a given note and/or number of notes looks interesting. 

I like the simplicity of the interface and portability a lot. 
------=_Part_65317_32716745.1184619559320-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 21:07:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1363BF36; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Mark Sottilaro" To: Subject: RE: Looking for a new looper Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:07:36 -0700 Message-ID: <007201c7c7ed$596b9db0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <3BBA6B1E-33C0-4329-A751-C7591F221735@baymoon.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcfH63gga72iUHQIQsa9GFjc2uVWiwAALbhQ Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Trust me, I too am a Mac guy. They are better. Why do I say that? = Because when I hooked my Novation Remote 61 to my Mac, I think I ran a small installer application and it worked perfectly. Maybe I didn't even have = to do that. Last night I tried hooking it directly to my XP running laptop. = It took a good half hour to get the proper driver to install (I had the = disk!) Retarded. So anyway... why the little story? Because Mobius makes it worth it. So you for sure can get a Macbook Pro and run xp on it, ditch your = software synths and looper and be very happy. (sorry, your E-MU module is long = gone) If you're questioning a "laptop" performance, check out one of our = neighbors Kid Beyond. He lives near us in the Bay area and he's proof that an = amazing live show can be done with a laptop looper (He uses Live) Really, the laptop disappears if you have a good MIDI controller and = just becomes a display to note your current loop state. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hamburg [mailto:mark_hamburg@baymoon.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper On 16 Jul 2007, at 12:12 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Mark, I think Mobius does all you ask for. though I personally =20 > don't use it for all you mention so I can't speak for all the =20 > functions. Jeff recently added my coveted "preset your loop length =20 > to host bar" function in the latest beta release, and I imagine a v =20 > 1.3 release is close at hand with a lot of new great features, many =20 > of them having to do with being able to write scripts to initiate =20 > complex functions. Indeed it does look like it does everything I need (though I will say =20 the Riff Box looks slick in the demos). Down sides: * I've resisted going the laptop route because I have yet to see a =20 laptop that didn't seem awkward to set up in a portable situation. =20 (Okay. Wally Schnalle seems to have found a reasonable way to mix it =20 in with his drum kit.) * Generally, I'm a Mac guy. That said, I've been contemplating dumping hardware synths for =20 virtual synths... Mark From ext@dka-dd.de Mon Jul 16 21:11:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 600 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:11:58 UTC Received: from pool-71-190-32-141.nycmny.east.verizon.net (pool-71-190-32-141.nycmny.east.verizon.net [71.190.32.141]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AD5A3BEFA for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [210.124.215.205] (helo=xdss) by pool-71-190-32-141.nycmny.east.verizon.net with smtp (Exim 4.62 (FreeBSD)) id 1IBw0-0007Tp-A9; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:16:48 -0400 Message-ID: <469BDF1E.2020500@lloydstsb.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:11:58 -0400 From: Peters Dan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: except this "questioning the Ultimate Extras" thing has been going on for months. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SZSN Sales UP 30%! Market Watchers Pick SZSN. Shandong Zhouyuan Seed and Nursery Co., Ltd (SZSN) $0.43 UP 30% Sales reports show sales up 37.6% over last year. OTCPicks.com and RedHotPennyStock.com feature SZSN. Stock UP 30%! Get on SZSN first thing Tuesday! hmph yeah right as if he is going to say something wrong about that product. I have liked the site since I first heard about it, and it has only gotten better. Instead of trying to prop up something less than perfect with stellar marketing, how about make a stellar product and let marketing happen all on its own? And as for money "tainting the credibility", celebrities get paid for endorsements all the time. There was one post that robert made about. AMD has been wanting to reach out to influencers for a while now, and had been looking for software to let them do it. I have to take care of myself. Search box on Control Panel is aware of many keywords associated with various applets. At least I got a brand new console, and I hear it has an updated cooling assembly. "You don't spam people, and you don't say that you came up with a topic when a corporation paid you to write about it, not if your positioning is one which relies upon credibility. If I can get the stat's from my mom's and sister's machines, I'll post them too. Maybe that means, that you LOVE the iphone and the ONLY reason why you don't have one is because of the name of the company that created it. Thanks for digging this up, Aubrey! And Jef, how about citing some examples on how it is "illegal"? But I had several reports sent with the error report thing and zero solutions. I verified them in both Windows Vista Ultimate and Windows Vista Business, but they should be applicable to other versions as well. For me, this is part of a larger plan to finally spend my time doing what I love, which is working with the blogosphere. that iphone might be kinda cool after all. They said they were online tonight, but they weren't there when I checked. and mentioned that he was going to try installing linux for a side project. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:35:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB54E3BF1A; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PQyfZ25rDJG9z1d1EfL0xjTopz7CuSM5FSpzxUqmWFd30qETTrYn19W1D1My/FQHC2ASPdMOcVjwQqglwtrJmH8pdS9vn9vFGTzcm02CYO9fxl01rixYE9b0lgJ1rCTXha5hhw6h+Y7ZIFLJC1zYuFxwBzEsZlQ1Yir+DK3ERGY=; X-YMail-OSG: tzIgdAMVM1ldsduynNbYV.XcABG5qXSoTdYJZNxiR8C49laJlWpAUGLRSkAMNidJOXrsMQD2bdQQZ93nRLSuWTSYzM4iLvT0uipGTFoWt10_IuJj0g2sSe1Fql8QWA-- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <469B5B4A.2090205@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <444981.38493.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill, thanx for the hinsight i am a GEMA member as well and it makes sense...after 4 years of selling a lot of CDs with some of my compositions in them and not seeing any money i sent them as letter asking what was happening,then i got a reply saying they were going to investigate,a few months after that i got my first check it was something like 170.-eur.! they still send me my finacial statement but ever since i quit my band and since i joined digital distribution the earnings have been a lot less.The best way is still selling them yourself at gigs! cheers Luis --- Bill Fox wrote: > Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > Per Boysen schrieb: > > > >> On the other hand, it may be that the RIAA are > using too heavy tools > >> as their administrative routines when assembling > the tariffs for > >> using others songs in public (money that are > distributed back to the > >> composers). But be careful not throwing away the > respect for > >> composer's work only because of some brown shirt > attitude clerks. > > > > What they asked for must have been significantly > more than they paid > > for the pianist alone, > > Of course, because it's a year-long license. But > then the music in the > joint is covered for a year. Like someone said in a > previous post, that > turns out to be about $20 per week. I don't know > the cost of the > license so I can't say how accurate that figure is. > I'm sure that the > cost varies with venue size. In the US, you'll > often see a license > posted on the wall that declares the legal capacity > that the local > authorities allow in a venue. > > > with the result that the composer gets nothing and > the pianist lost > > his job. My experience with the RIAA/Gema family > of corporations is, > > that they claim they protect the artists, but they > are only interested > > to protect the publishers. There is a reason why > Stockhausen founded > > his own publishing company... > > So he wouldn't have to share his money with a > publisher. That has > nothing to do with PROs. True, the PROs pay the > publishers and > publishers typically take half and pay the remainder > to the composer. > But if you don't have a publisher, the you are, > essentially, > self-publishing and the PRO must pay you directly, > leaving no "middle > man" to take half. > > > They look where the big bucks are and don't care > about the small. I am > > still memeber of the Gema but seriously > considering to quit, because > > they do a bad job... (95% of all Gema authorities > are purely lawers...) > > > > If you should get small amounts of money, like > maybe 5 Euros from a > > web radio, the Gema won't pay it to you, because > its so little, > > instead they collect it and distribute it mainly > to the big guys who > > have too much already. I'd love to find a authors > rights corpoartion > > which would allow me to puplish my work under a > creative commons > > license and still let them effectively take care > about royalties for > > commercial use... > > IF a PRO like GEMA isn't meeting the needs of its > members, then either > the members need to band together and force them to > change from within > or they need to leave and find a PRO that *does* > meet their needs... > *if* there is one! > > Cheers, > > Bill > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 22:38:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D43C3BF1F; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007201c7c7ed$596b9db0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> References: <007201c7c7ed$596b9db0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:38:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <00HQtD.A.sdC.dN_mGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:38:22 +0000 (UTC) On 16 Jul 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > So you for sure can get a Macbook Pro and run xp on it, ditch your > software > synths and looper and be very happy. (sorry, your E-MU module is > long gone) Yeah, I knew you'd moved on from that a while ago. So, what hardware do you have left in your setup? Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 23:00:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85E03BF1E; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WuQXTD0LiJVgbs+r5u8gFyn/ijj23PPM4jeMN6xAAxZ/LRncu73Ic8+AiLy++QOxRz1uDow8it7x1MQ8w9FPsIrkkCaWC/0crGeq5lMXf4hD9yOJQdVCP20h3zw4KEwPIurw+vHZ/pYyWzRv+PERALIk531Mm3Vi7JvOMTeKHoY=; X-YMail-OSG: ngueZzAVM1lxpf4UA6vTPHGFwP6UPZTc.C3xXbs.Zh1zH8Q8ZoUy2oOGZqJmai3S3vxwgPMGu1FfpSTyYtzqv.lsl_y0ozxjG4KdMXG45u_XTBvs6EFGOGY3x.9sBA-- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:00:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: biamplified monitors To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <554302.23551.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <575342.91603.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill, I did a lot of research before i bought and i couldnt be happier with my 2 RCF ART 310As active speakers they sound wonderful either as monitors or tops with beautiful dispertion plenty of bass but best of all they are 12 Kilos! http://www.thomann.de/gb/rcf_art_310_a.htm also their covers are the smartest made of all, you dont even need to take them out,they have access on top to grab their handles and in the bottom to place them on their stands and velcro attatchments all over the place! http://www.thomann.de/gb/rcf_art_310_cover.htm apparently RCFs technology is the same as mackie but youll have to do research on that one.Mackies 450s might be good but i found them a little to bright or cold for my ears and way to heavy,and in most places i play i dont need so much power.I kept my yamahas ms 150 for monitors which are very compact and sound killer. And If you want to use them with a full band and drumer they recomend a bundle that comes with a sub 15 http://www.thomann.de/gb/rcf_art310_a_sub_15_bundle.htm or if you want more bass on the tops they recomended this http://www.thomann.de/gb/fbt_maxx_2_a.htm but they lack handles on top which is important if u are in a cellar with a small stairway like i do, so i settled for the RCFs,highly recomended! Luis --- bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > You want to make sure, if you use muultiple > outlets, > that they come off the same leg. In a standard > single > phase panel,that means every othet breker going down > one side, or the next diagonel breaker up or down on > the opposite side. Yhis will ensure that you are > using > the same leg. On a 3 phse panel, it gets a little > more > complicated. > Rig > > > --- Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > i was just offered $1000.00 for my two srm > > 450s.....it cost me $400.oo to use > > these speakers for several years so i'm quite > happy > > with the price.....now > > what do i replace them with that 1) cost no more > > than $1000 for both, 2) can be > > used as my only studio speakers and 3) can be used > > as my p.a. speakers (mackie > > 1202 vlz) if and when i play out.....if this deal > > falls through i will not be > > the least bit unhappy, i love the srms and that's > > why i had kids so that they > > can carry these beasts down and up to my 3rd. > floor > > studio.....;).....my only > > problem is that the srm 450s are total OVERKILL > for > > what i do.....for $200 > > more i can buy 4 srm 150s, has anyone played with > > these?.....they look soooo > > small, they say in their ads that you can get an > > addaptor to put them on your mic > > stand.....if that's the case, i'll make a hat out > of > > one and .....one word of > > advice to rune is "powered monitors" need to be > > plugged into an electrical > > source and i have often found that the need for 2 > > more outlets can be a problem > > at some gigs depending where you place the > speakers > > in relation to the rest of > > your kit.....and i have always wondered about the > > old adage that all your > > stuff should come off the same electrical line to > > keep the signal clean and avoid > > hum, so my corncern is, are the outlets that my > > monitors are plugged into the > > same line as the rest of my kit?.....perhaps this > is > > just another of those > > misbeliefs that i have about things.....and indeed > > ONLY LOOPS WILL BE PLAYED OUT > > OF THESE SPEAKERS.....michael > > > > > > > > www.ct-collective.com > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ > > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here > and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 23:26:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1A313BEFB; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Y7i+9m6WShqj6ChHatwB8ZzdDnJ1+j0QoXPSCryj4b8h9MjNEPoF6wvt9U8SBswSpqCoZsKvUkf5s4kT+cZ/WikRW7ddW0TIo1hEI0hnVguhF+/JuZJJiNuafZtbCISqdjIKwq2t+qx5X6eJH+fmf/QG5qUP8//py02Qpf6Vs8c=; X-YMail-OSG: e.OkaKEVM1m1p_FAu7YE1QBhbI.Sk8Cr9WjnyEFxPMM9mgW5KAJ3T1W_v1_Cy2.GgwBBYWvmKcaqj9onZDZNyWVolTeesmk2QqQuq0lSXPR3jIg3XtIaixv_BRu3YA-- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: psychodelic music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8D6BF5F4-97EB-43F0-8776-730D9BB1045E@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <194336.35987.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:26:48 +0000 (UTC) this is also great http://youtube.com/watch?v=PSBTzSatzJY i love the nuggets compilation whatever happend to that sound i still find those song hooks and fuzzboxes so cool! Luis --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Ah! I had that organ many moons ago! (Vox > Continental) > > Memories... > > On Jul 13, 2007, at 3:36 PM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > > > O.M.G. > > > > That was too strange . . . and cool in a really > weird way. > > > > Thanks for sharin' Rick. > > > > I'd always heard of Graham Bond but never heard > him. > > > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > > > ---- RICK WALKER wrote: > >> GONKS GO BEAT > >> a 1965 movie with great footage of the > >> Graham Bond Organization with John McLaughlin, > >> Ginger Baker, Jack Bruce, Dick Heckstall-Smith, > Lulu and Graham Bond. > >> > >> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7vlaA-H-dU&mode=related&search= > >> > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Jul 16 23:35:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED8103BF15; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=evLwCivU7xZCSOqazSG1PjNwCmkMgFAeDuYgisQ6b7kIsBcBUJC/xqDN2q1V4hq1LZQoUEG5vJZwZWihtVcpnpFDN4w3qXCy6NXWJVuu/xlZCHW2n1mt08eCSvh9M0WZUwxFLvbf/NN8xAw2eiKwdYZ9qwjGwZ6jVyZZFc+N+3M=; X-YMail-OSG: ZL.ACPUVM1njG01h6t3SEVhiWJUZt5XLfa7M7WmnWsz9X6FQ2XDrmq2gLAm2r3gGQuaiUlnYHLka3JT4XyWiypJr4IpvWIfMEsHUG.apxw6dsHi3qqLI51S04.iA6g-- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Composers should also get paid To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <469B5B4A.2090205@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <158611.89754.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, i had a freind that opened a brewpub in a small town back in 98. A week later BMI was there demanding just under $400 for the year or they would take 'legal action'. All for a boom box on the back counter. Rig --- Bill Fox wrote: > Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > Per Boysen schrieb: > > > >> On the other hand, it may be that the RIAA are > using too heavy tools > >> as their administrative routines when assembling > the tariffs for > >> using others songs in public (money that are > distributed back to the > >> composers). But be careful not throwing away the > respect for > >> composer's work only because of some brown shirt > attitude clerks. > > > > What they asked for must have been significantly > more than they paid > > for the pianist alone, > > Of course, because it's a year-long license. But > then the music in the > joint is covered for a year. Like someone said in a > previous post, that > turns out to be about $20 per week. I don't know > the cost of the > license so I can't say how accurate that figure is. > I'm sure that the > cost varies with venue size. In the US, you'll > often see a license > posted on the wall that declares the legal capacity > that the local > authorities allow in a venue. > > > with the result that the composer gets nothing and > the pianist lost > > his job. My experience with the RIAA/Gema family > of corporations is, > > that they claim they protect the artists, but they > are only interested > > to protect the publishers. There is a reason why > Stockhausen founded > > his own publishing company... > > So he wouldn't have to share his money with a > publisher. That has > nothing to do with PROs. True, the PROs pay the > publishers and > publishers typically take half and pay the remainder > to the composer. > But if you don't have a publisher, the you are, > essentially, > self-publishing and the PRO must pay you directly, > leaving no "middle > man" to take half. > > > They look where the big bucks are and don't care > about the small. I am > > still memeber of the Gema but seriously > considering to quit, because > > they do a bad job... (95% of all Gema authorities > are purely lawers...) > > > > If you should get small amounts of money, like > maybe 5 Euros from a > > web radio, the Gema won't pay it to you, because > its so little, > > instead they collect it and distribute it mainly > to the big guys who > > have too much already. I'd love to find a authors > rights corpoartion > > which would allow me to puplish my work under a > creative commons > > license and still let them effectively take care > about royalties for > > commercial use... > > IF a PRO like GEMA isn't meeting the needs of its > members, then either > the members need to band together and force them to > change from within > or they need to leave and find a PRO that *does* > meet their needs... > *if* there is one! > > Cheers, > > Bill > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 02:48:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 414F63BF11; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:48:38 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: OT: composers and musicians being paid their royalties, was Fripp and Eno In-Reply-To: <469B2F9E.5010103@addcom.de> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> <469B2F9E.5010103@addcom.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070717024840.82B653BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2gAS-B.A.ezE.M4CnGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Don't believe it, the record companies never do anything for the artist in the long run..... I had a 40 page contract that what ever they gave you on page 6 they had a loophole to take back on page 35..... if they did anything in the name of the recording, ( which included lunches, promo, etc. ) those expenses came out of my share of the royalties, The people that played backup on the recording made more money than I did. I did the math once, the record label would pay it's expenses and clear over $150,000.00 before I got the first penny off of that cd..... Now I had a lawyer look it over and he told me that I actually had one of the better contracts he had ever seen because if the recording flopped totally; I at least didn't owe the record label whatever money they had invested. His advice, go and enjoy the ride, and expect that the label will screw you in the end. The recording gave me some valuable experience, and gave me some well needed credibility amongst other industry people. It just makes me laugh when people believe that the record labels care about lost royalties to the artists or composers. all they care about is their own lost revenues and their right to be the only ones to screw us out of the rights and revenues of our music. I suppose I sound a bit bitter, but it makes me really angry that I should have to pay the record label if I want to re-record some of my own compositions and release them independently. ok, I'm better now, the rant is over. I'll go back to be the nice old guy who plays pretty gentle music on the dulcimer.......... Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca >They basically want them to shut down because nothing of that "1/4 >of the price" would go to the authors, I would not pay anything if >the authors don't get a share, then its better to pirate than paying >to some obscure russian site... > >Stefan > > >-- >Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >--_____-----------|-------------- >--(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >-- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 02:56:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4273BF02; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:56:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper In-Reply-To: <8D7374FE-5018-4D83-9279-561D0EE63C5E@baymoon.com> References: <8D7374FE-5018-4D83-9279-561D0EE63C5E@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070717025642.D46423BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:56:43 +0000 (UTC) you can get feenback control by running the sub out into the aux in and setting it's volume lower than your instrument in. I use it all the time and it works real well. I can't speak to the midi clock question, I never use it that way. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca >My understanding is that the RC-50 lacks feedback control. Is that >correct? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 03:04:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99CA3BF0A; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=DNwovCeb/YYzFiuiYNYtLIgT/UWl+56ry1RUAKlRbFQNnG3PYiF3xkP1sB1JLLfRw11lxxbnJe3zePUFTFRDu3EMwFnk5n5ECMLIDFMKwtf28i3eKs8IpDc3+HSHUWlkrKc/nbuYgJe9SJQ6jqWNKU0wX9sKjhEDGpVTETaOJ0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=P1NcJGZAiTb+BqQOJHcfd7etvszIuwYVseoQ6zSmMipLBYVqrGMjzQNk/vNKjdmqi0YYoPYrS9/CGjcNTr9fFv5cmWyFj8L/Hwy1HPFF0uloF4nQuCeiRyMiwI4hZCCaqSm0kdec4mdmFOgDFpYOriu3SaU/a/MeTEmdhpRyI/A= Message-ID: <26ba8d120707162004pca6516dk81c1b6e7192bf0dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:04:35 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight Subject: NY loopers needed for 7/30 open loop gig. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 460d4d4f3f802614 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Hello. I just got a slot in the Bowery Poetry Club on 7/30 from 8 to 10PM when a friend of mine decided to go on tour to the UK. I'm going to do my usual openLoop gig (http://loopNY.com, my music at http://TomRitchford.com/music) and wanted to call for audition for other loopers from this list... Drop me a line offlist and we'll chat! (I'm also playing the Charlie Parker festival the afternoon of 8/11 and I have one more slot for an instrumentalist...) -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 03:47:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59A743BF11; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c7c825$3e46f010$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: References: <26ba8d120707162004pca6516dk81c1b6e7192bf0dc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: NY loopers needed for 7/30 open loop gig. Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:47:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000757-2, 16/07/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Tom! Pity that you're so far away, I'm doing a free improv guitar synth thing with a friend these days. We're both well, I'm again unemployed, though doing sound stuff (Ottawa Jazz Festival, etc.). Had a brief listen to some of your tunes on your website; be careful, you're treading dangerously close to melodic and hummable with some of that. What's new in your world? Dave O'Heare oheare@magma.ca +1 613 729 4830 home +1 613 227 4830 mobile ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: "Loopers-Delight" Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:04 PM Subject: NY loopers needed for 7/30 open loop gig. > Hello. I just got a slot in the Bowery Poetry Club on 7/30 from 8 to > 10PM when a friend of mine decided to go on tour to the UK. I'm going > to do my usual openLoop gig (http://loopNY.com, my music at > http://TomRitchford.com/music) and wanted to call for audition for > other loopers from this list... > > Drop me a line offlist and we'll chat! > > (I'm also playing the Charlie Parker festival the afternoon of 8/11 > and I have one more slot for an instrumentalist...) > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 05:03:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 003763BEFF; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <0F9444B8-8E71-4474-B98E-BA44C56AC450@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1A543a) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1A543a) Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:03:44 -0700 References: <007201c7c7ed$596b9db0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:03:49 +0000 (UTC) My only hardware synth is a Roland Jv 1010 that I send through an airsynth and airfx. It's controlled by the aleisis photon, so I've got a whole IR thing going on. My guitar rig stayed the same (vox tonelabSE) I never found software that did a replacement for guitar preamp stuff that I liked, but I really don't miss my synths Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On 16 Jul 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> So you for sure can get a Macbook Pro and run xp on it, ditch your >> software >> synths and looper and be very happy. (sorry, your E-MU module is >> long gone) > > Yeah, I knew you'd moved on from that a while ago. So, what hardware > do you have left in your setup? > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 05:13:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B9153BF00; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=RdsPkqZZ0Cc12w5U/UtcCv0FsxtzCYu+C3Erm/wXmEFC5eauIBPbpiCj2zATs7IF7oCATCo+c6Ra1EyMe09lNS3tdYs6lUJXlWX/jWA3BV6URUIYRhZl+kjhSQAID8KaZdvCUSfj8d6W+M7dcUNmThNIUVmDDM0OAC/RbhbIkMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pzwXa7u4gsW/ORtsKqeRUwF1kUkfUPIRotvDjw+K+8LefOBkJwLXItOL/zTq1R7IlrY43tU13pfr7WmspOQ4OPH8QoXj2B6YrJ9csHH6kWuSZJalpYg2nlcAkGjWsbDnNHKjKtrRD5Fv676DclybAaykajOOBPqgii24fwyh/TY= Message-ID: <26ba8d120707162213p38e727dcofe092d4feabadff5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 01:13:13 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper In-Reply-To: <006401c7c7e2$8a8b74c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120707161234j36ccde29y1a6d5d53c78a14c2@mail.gmail.com> <006401c7c7e2$8a8b74c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 187ba04920296982 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Interesting! I didn't have too many troubles with the clock out (but I have a forgiving drum machine) but had some, perhaps minor, issues with clock in. But then I didn't really need to have clock in so I didn't really pay attention so much... On 7/16/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Me thinks your wrong on that one. Unless something's changed a lot since > v1.1, the Repeater was an amazing (maybe the best) slave to a MIDI clock. I > could slow my drum machine down from 120 to 40 bpm and the Repeater would be > right on it. > > It's glaring problem was it's MIDI clock out was horrible. They claim to > have fixed the clock out in v2 but I don't have any personal experience with > it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Tom Ritchford > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper > > > The Repeater is a fine MIDI clock source -- it's pretty bad at being a > MIDI clock slave. > > That said, this looks like a lovely machine and quite cheap.... anyone own > it? > > > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 05:15:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2903BEFE; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QILzmr16w1r/7xXvantG1b6aA1XOSTpUmm09S+1iuI0XFAdCcMK3m7fQupKnmQ0zCkiq50ZntIDdw1plBtSnflb/9kE9GMBCpzBYGOAVZeR32Bp7V61MNw9U7Arxq/aKKfvAvbYb31ddz92u8DwT+6k3eU+6uiDGIh4DM07y3YI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IFue6pVnMwaKG3Z0zd6WM7lTGW9TlmpgMtgaBHuTtu5etlbWqQME10GAEwDW5RyTvnS0tkrz1LwjpFgC2z2EoTZwZSNqAUIm8i9H3LQYs1QOa9Ho7bNbkkKso4JwYcbuqDVbV9HBAqh6KGr078vXHF1029Zj/ZLyLLLhkg/RLDA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:14:58 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: stereo mic. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:15:00 +0000 (UTC) hi there... i've done some research through the net, but can't find the correct answer for this: which are the troubles by using two mics to record in an x/y stereo configuration (or other stereo mic technique) if they are not "a matched pair from factory" providing that they are the same brand and model. want to capture the live sound in the new studio room we've built for rehearsing with guitar+loops coming from the monitors plus acoustic drums. any recomendations? we are in a budget and thought about a pair of AKG c1000s for the task. thanks in advance friends!, TPO crew. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 05:16:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 626C83BF00; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5iTQ0JIVJbrMxaMsx2s8ulHJmnrGbaa5suJ7etxZeixAmm6RHqGDky8AT3eh9hEzrW887ns1FOaSMUiP7gcrvMCSOy5xc7vdGSNOMMqeoCSzq9kG02cW/dvsIiGFSJ9qBfKIhKVvuFu3oNcryc0SFtKquNRTXBga8Kb6Y+GKZP0= ; Message-ID: <20070717051626.47430.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ZMaQ4xgVM1k2.QfCulx5rer_siS2YteoVCD..lMkhCe5LLFcEM8waG4Go3GVovMEQe1OwDJ8CdkYGK6a6qEtowk77MaqXGbXuDu9BgSS_urnyUghIByuZQ6eY4o- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:16:26 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: re:re:looking for a new looper (Mark Sottilaros gear) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0F9444B8-8E71-4474-B98E-BA44C56AC450@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1617367238-1184649386=:44690" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:16:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-1617367238-1184649386=:44690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! Mark Sottilaro - it sounds nice too travel this light. I uses this heavy hardware gear. Can you post some soundclips - pictures of gear and maybe explain once more how you got that looper software working on the mac? Rune F. Mark Sottilaro skrev: My only hardware synth is a Roland Jv 1010 that I send through an airsynth and airfx. It's controlled by the aleisis photon, so I've got a whole IR thing going on. My guitar rig stayed the same (vox tonelabSE) I never found software that did a replacement for guitar preamp stuff that I liked, but I really don't miss my synths Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On 16 Jul 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> So you for sure can get a Macbook Pro and run xp on it, ditch your >> software >> synths and looper and be very happy. (sorry, your E-MU module is >> long gone) > > Yeah, I knew you'd moved on from that a while ago. So, what hardware > do you have left in your setup? > > Mark > www.runefagereng.com www.myspace.com/runefagereng www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOHN4az59A0 Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no Mob: 917 95 867 --------------------------------- Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. --0-1617367238-1184649386=:44690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi !
 
Mark Sottilaro - it sounds nice too travel this light. I uses this heavy hardware gear. Can you post some soundclips - pictures of gear and maybe explain once more how you got that looper software working on the mac?
 
Rune F.  

Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> skrev:
My only hardware synth is a Roland Jv 1010 that I send through an
airsynth and airfx. It's controlled by the aleisis photon, so I've got
a whole IR thing going on. My guitar rig stayed the same (vox
tonelabSE)

I never found software that did a replacement for guitar preamp stuff
that I liked, but I really don't miss my synths

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Mark Hamburg
wrote:

> On 16 Jul 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
>> So you for sure can get a Macbook Pro and run xp on it, ditch your
>> software
>> synths and looper and be very happy. (sorry, your E-MU module is
>> long gone)
>
> Yeah, I knew you'd moved on from that a while ago. So, what hardware
> do you have left in your setup?
>
> Mark
>




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--0-1617367238-1184649386=:44690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 05:35:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7143E3BF05; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: stereo mic. Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:35:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7c834$56148b30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfIMWzwU9+qf0NGTyScW/f1AZYK+wAAbXzA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINSpEL9 X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Raul (and TPO crew), > which are the troubles by using two > mics to record in an x/y stereo configuration (or other > stereo mic technique) if they are not "a matched pair from > factory" providing that they are the same brand and model. matched pairs are either the two microphones from a production run which most closely match each other with regard to characterization or such a pair which is further modified to more closely match each other (for the more expensive mics obviously). With there may be differences with regard to amplitude and phase, you tend to perceive the differences in phase the most if you put both microphones in direct reference to each other, e.g. by using them as a stereo pair. This is of course of greater importance with those microphone manufacturers which tend to have a very big statistical spread in their manufacturing process (think Oktava). Still, regarding your recording situation (already with an artifical stereo image) and the application (rehearsal recordings), I wouldn't stress the issue too much - you should be fine. Rainer From wumt@mailings.westernunion.com Tue Jul 17 06:03:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 16552 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:03:16 UTC Received: from 2689442094.monstercommercesites.com (2689442094.monstercommercesites.com [206.188.199.8]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066423BEEE for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 06:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [69.208.35.238] by 2689442094.monstercommercesites.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAFA4B2003C; Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:27:22 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Western Union" Subject: Account Deactivation Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:36:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200707162027911.SM01136@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Western Union

 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 07:42:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59E493BF1A; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Stefan Tiedje Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:41:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: russian site Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <469C80C5.6119.C0FF3@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <469B2F9E.5010103@addcom.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.31) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:42:43 +0000 (UTC) On 16 Jul 2007 at 10:43, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > They basically want them to shut down because nothing of that "1/4 of > the price" would go to the authors, I would not pay anything if the > authors don't get a share, then its better to pirate than paying to > some obscure russian site... Agreed - they've even got some of my music on one of these russian sites - I'd sooner give it away than have it sold & get nothing for it. ;( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 08:30:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 026403BF1A; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.50.187 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=cHYhIjm5RsTX-KY2TAkA:9 a=2e54yPfIIcX4qZWJmtcA:7 a=AYLewDdHTFnrLTls3FFxtsdyApkA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,545,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="8103695" Message-ID: <469C7E1D.8020406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:30:21 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: stereo mic. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:30:25 +0000 (UTC) hi Paul. There are 2 ways I know to get a "matched pair". 1) Some mics (e.g. Neuman) are made to a tight specification, so that a pair of them will generally be matched. 2) At some point, someone actually tested the mics and picked out a pair that matches. Could happen at the factory, but could just as well happen at the shop/distributor. (or in your studio) If you're using an x/y config then un-matched mics may not give you an accurate stereo image. It would be like EQing the 2 sides differently. ( though don't imagine you can the problem with corrective EQ ). A good stereo recording will let you hear the position of each instrument, an "unmatched" one will still give an impression of space, but the positioning will be blurred, with the "center panned" sounds being spread out somewhat. To check for matching, hold 2 mics together, pointing in the same direction, at a sound source. Then mix them together with one of the mics out of phase. If they are well matched, there'll be very little sound. AKG c1000s aren't designed for stereo work, for which you ideally need a small diaphragm mic like the AKG C451 B what about a pair of Rode NT5? (or even an NT4, for ease of use) andy butler > i've done some research through the net, > but can't find the correct answer for this: > > which are the troubles by using two > mics to record in an x/y stereo configuration (or other > stereo mic technique) if they are not "a matched pair from > factory" providing that they are the same brand and model. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 08:45:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 487363BF11; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EZD8eNq+UHzXdzotE0FwIcn42mW6K70V6fuXnROrHIOcfpZThGSjQcMJRZfqkqbU1c4ZgWK25RFYNrQeJxcgIaxXC2Q2ttSQ52tRCzPOeFEvs3Nfk4FY2FQ08JRXqMFAAQIdNlhDlyaLN7oIJ2jfWC3h5Y5NWuyOvYhaOKTNAHE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ttqyMc8556F/8yTZ3CnltY/fl9SaLEJTxJczqED+JHnNpo0f47EwXJhcUJf5LNsT05LVQuCornW5IWIjpZaOfrBFAmRYDYugta5b3tERQRjzpGFBSyhgrQRCGEBAdhtZKCeIzm0zSJWR+qvSvmUyHjHwTQMsf4giALqKUzrkOms= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070717024840.82B653BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <7607CF9A-3950-4363-93A5-978D2E4533D7@ubergadget.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134A35@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <8C9904263C4D551-1160-50E@WEBMAIL-MB10.sysops.aol.com> <20070709114822.jxjs488cg4oc4www@www.wightman.ca> <09EC9997-104B-40A0-828D-529B95B4E700@ubergadget.com> <20070709153652.2i8sig2sw0w4s0g4@www.wightman.ca> <469B2F9E.5010103@addcom.de> <20070717024840.82B653BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3529046B-F806-46FB-8B67-739EB391B4B5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: composers and musicians being paid their royalties, was Fripp and Eno Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:45:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:45:20 +0000 (UTC) On 17 jul 2007, at 04.48, paul wrote: > Don't believe it, the record companies never do anything for the > artist in the long run..... Oh, they might do if it's estimated commercially lucrative. It's just like any other business. A good deal should be a win-win situation contract. Everything else is a bad deal for one of the parts. > Now I had a lawyer look it over and he told me that I actually had > one of the better contracts he had ever seen because if the > recording flopped totally; I at least didn't owe the record label > whatever money they had invested. I agree with Paul that record labels tend to play more foul compared to publishers or PRO's. Some years ago a record label I had been signed to earlier on went bankrupt and before an investment company was allowed to buy what was left an independent auditor was set to go through the book keeping. It turned out the record label had withhold USD 2700 that was actually mine. Since a lot of the money was gone with the bankruptcy I only received about half the sum. Oh well, better than nothing. But the fact stays written on the wall: they simply ripped me off. And if they had not went bankrupt they would have perfectly gotten away with it. On 16 jul 2007, at 10.42, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > My experience with the RIAA/Gema family of corporations is, that > they claim they protect the artists, but they are only interested > to protect the publishers. Of course, that's the nature of their business! Here's from GEMAS web site: "We protect and promote the authors of music, represent the interests of composers, lyricists and their publishers worldwide and actively follow the music markets." The only situation GEMA would care about an artist would be if that artist is also the composer of the music he performs or licenses for mass manufactured copies to be distributed. > I'd love to find a authors rights corpoartion which would allow me > to puplish my work under a creative commons license and still let > them effectively take care about royalties for commercial use... That would be a normal publishing company or just a managing company, I'd guess. I know the publishing companies that have offices around here and some do really aggressive marketing to pitch the music of their composers to commercial users. My guess is that an existing Creative Commons public license would be no problem for that. Speaking PRO's, it seems to me the Scandinavian based STIM does a pretty good job. But it all depends on you, as the author of your work, to properly register your work with the PRO. There are different kind of legal rights to music, the author's rights are the biggest part. Then there are so called neighboring rights as well, i.e. the rights of musicians that played on a recording without actually being the composer of the music. In Sweden there is a special "PRO" for those neighboringrights called SAMI (Swedish Artist's and Musician's Interest organization). I recently, totally unexpectedly, received a bit over a thousand dollars that way for "air plays abroad". No specification on which country or which recordings, so there's no way to know if the figure is correct or not. Maybe some track, with me as studio musician, became a radio hit somewhere in the world? It's like a lottery, I think. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 09:16:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7663BF14; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RDONz588NSeSK+5n6e2sSqG/grntuP8LOgs65l5RBoV2QFvO2VD/4gnymQlZcQx04PwU/PRtXcrjAOIz+qb2KCpGQInUATRY4x0nPMu0sV61jN7xniuET7a+iK1zS5oqdWfgFzLBIgcCFC0k1KVR/oMrWDypAwbOY48h9xKqKew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZDhwOD6UbwucFjoPwmr+r+4P38IBKVhI0eJw7p7TkWDcba55SzqlBszVaDMqMUoxGJ4GdvRELbTJflCDAQxdbifGzpNjFDGTIpn607Rg7T/kNMYAs5swrJkbJdWQ1dTdS9ziMYRnL/tPUFhgIS0hlEBllH6CHnxv4sTD/g6ybe8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:16:28 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: stereo mic. In-Reply-To: <469C7E1D.8020406@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <469C7E1D.8020406@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:16:31 +0000 (UTC) hi andy and rainer, > If you're using an x/y config then un-matched mics may not give you an > accurate stereo image. It would be like EQing the 2 sides differently. > ( though don't imagine you can the problem with corrective EQ ). > A good stereo recording will let you hear the position of each > instrument, an "unmatched" one will still give an impression > of space, but the positioning will be blurred, with the "center panned" > sounds being spread out somewhat. this is truly clearing some dust on the matter for the first time. so the unmatched, use to have differences in order to push some frequency ranges... this affects imaging even if the differences between mics are small... and "small" here could be understood.. well, you record a mono loop twice, each time with one of these supposedly unmatched mics, and maybe it would be difficult to say which of both was colouring the, for instance, 3000 Hz or 3200 Hz, isn't? Above all, the cheaper brands. > To check for matching, hold 2 mics together, pointing in the same direction, at > a sound source. Then mix them together with one of the mics out of phase. > If they are well matched, there'll be very little sound. i'll do the test, when we get that pair. thanks Andy. > AKG c1000s aren't designed for stereo work, for which you ideally > need a small diaphragm mic like the AKG C451 B so it wasn't a good choice.. argh.. again, many thanks. > what about a pair of Rode NT5? > (or even an NT4, for ease of use) oh yes!. also considered that option, as it seems to be in the same price range. hope they can handle all the pressure from Alex, our drummer. wWe are almost all deaf due to his ... i'd say, crossover-electro-latin-aphex-slipknot drumming style but he's good as a dynamic metronom and has sight reading skills, not so usual in drummers.. he,he... thanks & love for all, and one kiss extra for Andy and another one for Rainer. spain is burning in flames these days... don't come here in summer, go Iceland. raul, TPO crew. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 14:17:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD0D73BF19; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=l+FHLvzjOw1WJGGq6OMmGAnyCrinX2NaOf0RJDt//jnKnCOu/S08VnNRB1Tnr7KWrXzX9FqxsY0N1eGmH7HhhLj0sPUqZVlDrJ6khaeUMl4xeueBO8KINBz9OxfZZo4p2EHlhckNLyjWqoA2tIxW/Iv8TbV0uig8ClpvxRLb7Pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Q/8bF6crs0/9C1nZk8o4ArWnU3A2fr6UKufmSlJykN6F2BKM/kQWdl4pkI8KcrDk7LnHzcYw8ko5y02JlKtuc+aAUU8CFQReYYvZWW6+0+TBLlKkXAo7tNLtVstsYYxqJAjXwFmoQXa3/Ml3vaTnBQbSHRrLW3D8kCnD8kV7Fvo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:17:29 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: LD Subject: OT: Monte Montgomery in Portland tonight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:17:31 +0000 (UTC) There's zero looping involved, but for those of you in the Portland area today (July 17) who can appreciate jaw-dropping guitar playing, Monte Montgomery is playing at the Aladdin Theatre this evening. I found out about him years ago when I lived in Austin, and I'd drag people to his weekly gig and offer to personally refund their cover charge if they didn't love it, and I've never had to do so. I saw him again last night in Seattle, and he doesn't get up here but once every few years, and he was even better than last time. Unreservedly recommended. Don't miss it. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 14:25:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 673E63BEF1; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <523297D9-937B-4329-BCE2-543B3E65FF2B@zerocrossing.net> From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120707162213p38e727dcofe092d4feabadff5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1A543a) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1A543a) Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:25:36 -0700 References: <26ba8d120707161234j36ccde29y1a6d5d53c78a14c2@mail.gmail.com> <006401c7c7e2$8a8b74c0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <26ba8d120707162213p38e727dcofe092d4feabadff5@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:25:44 +0000 (UTC) The only time I had trouble was when I sent of clock from my computer that had a song loop in it, but a lot of loopers have that issue. I think it has something to do with being sent a song start message. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:13 PM, "Tom Ritchford" wrote: > Interesting! I didn't have too many troubles with the clock out (but > I have a forgiving drum machine) but had some, perhaps minor, issues > with clock in. But then I didn't really need to have clock in so I > didn't really pay attention so much... > > On 7/16/07, Mark Sottilaro wrote: >> Me thinks your wrong on that one. Unless something's changed a lot >> since >> v1.1, the Repeater was an amazing (maybe the best) slave to a MIDI >> clock. I >> could slow my drum machine down from 120 to 40 bpm and the Repeater >> would be >> right on it. >> >> It's glaring problem was it's MIDI clock out was horrible. They >> claim to >> have fixed the clock out in v2 but I don't have any personal >> experience with >> it. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On >> Behalf Of >> Tom Ritchford >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:35 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper >> >> >> The Repeater is a fine MIDI clock source -- it's pretty bad at >> being a >> MIDI clock slave. >> >> That said, this looks like a lovely machine and quite cheap.... >> anyone own >> it? >> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 14:36:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900473BF1E; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 630169641 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: stereo mic. Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:36:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204403AAA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: stereo mic. Thread-Index: AcfIf+YU/TRDkThfR/KI+xwmORGk/Q== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2007 14:36:45.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[E63A2300:01C7C87F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:36:47 +0000 (UTC) >>which are the troubles by using two mics to record in an x/y stereo configuration (or other stereo mic technique) if they are not "a matched pair from factory" providing that they are the same brand and model.<< are your ears a matched pair? :-) I use a non-matched pair of audio-technica 4033s as a stereo pair in front of a drum-kit, with a close-mike (usually a beta 87) near the snare. I find I can get a good mixture of separation & live-sounding drums even when the kit is in the same room as the other instruments; I have the stereo pair about three feet apart & level with the toms. any higher, too much metal & not enough of the kick. the effect is like standing in front of the kit, in the room, & I generally keep the snare mic backed off unless something needs accenting. but I digress. I only mention this because I get better separation like this than in x-y. now, if you were recording m-s stereo instead of x-y, you could even use two different sorts of mic & still get great results.=20 I used to work on a soap-opera, right at the start of experiments in stereo sound in british tv. we decided the best way to record dialogue was to equip the boom with two mics in m-s configuration instead of trying to follow the action with two booms. the mics were a sennheiser 416 & a schoeps figure-8, I forget the model. we decoded the results to left & right & used the contribution level of the schoeps to set the width. but I'm digressing again.=20 d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 14:44:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BECE03BF1D; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Mark Sottilaro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070717051626.47430.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33-217838088 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1A543a) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1A543a) Subject: Re: looking for a new looper (Mark Sottilaros gear) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:44:27 -0700 References: <20070717051626.47430.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:44:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-33-217838088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sadly, I'm horrible at making myself hit that record button. I think =20 it is because once I get into production I go a little crazy. Also, =20 since I got my laptop setup life has been very crazy. I got married, =20 bought a home and changed jobs! The good news is I may be working on =20 music for a wii game called smartypants. My setup is based on krispin hartung's and he's a way better musician, =20= so I reccomend checking out his music. Also, to save money (the cost of so pro) I went with a toshiba laptop =20= instead of a MacBook. Probably a mistake, but it works fine now that =20 its setup. I know others have had success running xp on the new intel =20= macs. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:16 PM, rune fagereng =20 wrote: > Hi ! > > Mark Sottilaro - it sounds nice too travel this light. I uses this =20 > heavy hardware gear. Can you post some soundclips - pictures of gear =20= > and maybe explain once more how you got that looper software working =20= > on the mac? > > Rune F. > > Mark Sottilaro skrev: > My only hardware synth is a Roland Jv 1010 that I send through an > airsynth and airfx. It's controlled by the aleisis photon, so I've got > a whole IR thing going on. My guitar rig stayed the same (vox > tonelabSE) > > I never found software that did a replacement for guitar preamp stuff > that I liked, but I really don't miss my synths > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Mark Hamburg > wrote: > > > On 16 Jul 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > >> So you for sure can get a Macbook Pro and run xp on it, ditch your > >> software > >> synths and looper and be very happy. (sorry, your E-MU module is > >> long gone) > > > > Yeah, I knew you'd moved on from that a while ago. So, what hardware > > do you have left in your setup? > > > > Mark > > > > > > > www.runefagereng.com > www.myspace.com/runefagereng > www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbOHN4az59A0 > Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.no > Mob: 917 95 867 > > > Alt i =C3=A9n. F=C3=A5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og = notisblok=20 > k. --Apple-Mail-33-217838088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Sadly, I'm horrible at making = myself hit that record button. I think it is because once I get into = production I go a little crazy.  Also, since I got my laptop setup = life has been very crazy. I got married, bought a home and changed jobs! = The good news is I may be working on music for a wii game called = smartypants.

My setup is based on = krispin hartung's and he's a way better musician, so I reccomend = checking out his music.

Also, to save money (the = cost of so pro) I went with a toshiba laptop instead of a MacBook. = Probably a mistake, but it works fine now that its setup. I know others = have had success running xp on the new intel = macs.

Mark

Sent from my = iPhone

On Jul 16, 2007, at 10:16 PM, rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no> = wrote:

Hi = !
 
Mark Sottilaro - it sounds nice too = travel this light. I uses this heavy hardware gear. Can you post = some soundclips - pictures of gear and maybe explain once more how you = got that looper software working on the mac?
 
=
Rune F.  

Mark Sottilaro <sine@zerocrossing.net> skrev:
My only hardware synth = is a Roland Jv 1010 that I send through an
airsynth and airfx. It's = controlled by the aleisis photon, so I've got
a whole IR thing going = on. My guitar rig stayed the same (vox
tonelabSE)

I never = found software that did a replacement for guitar preamp stuff
that I = liked, but I really don't miss my synths

Sent from my = iPhone

On Jul 16, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Mark Hamburg =
wrote:

> On 16 Jul 2007, at 2:07 PM, Mark Sottilaro wrote:
>
>> So you for = sure can get a Macbook Pro and run xp on it, ditch your
>> = software
>> synths and looper and be very happy. (sorry, your = E-MU module is
>> long gone)
>
> Yeah, I knew = you'd moved on from that a while ago. So, what hardware
> do you = have left in your setup?
>
> = Mark
>




www.runefagereng.com
www.myspa= ce.com/runefagereng =
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbOHN4az59A0
Mail:rune_fagereng@yahoo.noMob: 917 95 867

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Alt i =C3=A9n= . F=C3=A5 Yahoo! Mail med = adressekartotek, kalender og = notisblokk.
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 22:07:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C2F23BF21; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TUzktXjVv0FBhJ7OruCdeJ1urLmDZ3ilZ6//nDwrnYHBkoKvo3e4QKK1bybuOHbwSpwuyiNi8II/sb66POxe8PqHCOKiF3ray8L7+gxKnGHwXlPxXo8tHcbPmX/RtZX98ewQ1YGYWZMaNYwEcy7eWsLIWRG3TSR6wdqjzY1IY1U=; X-YMail-OSG: zLXIju8VM1mD_FeCEugw388Wh5UOhpEEOfce4d5ZM99mw9AroiTqphh9nd9reDzGgaAkrWCw5mHjqKuAE.OU.aBpKG81JkKmfRk8 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:07:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <523297D9-937B-4329-BCE2-543B3E65FF2B@zerocrossing.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <396548.30914.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7zloED.A.WqE.e2TnGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:07:26 +0000 (UTC) well...i had terrible problems slaving the Pter to my EDP,and for the record the EDP likes to be more of a master than a slave as well but then again who doesnt... Luis > > > > On 7/16/07, Mark Sottilaro > wrote: > >> Me thinks your wrong on that one. Unless > something's changed a lot > >> since > >> v1.1, the Repeater was an amazing (maybe the > best) slave to a MIDI > >> clock. I > >> could slow my drum machine down from 120 to 40 > bpm and the Repeater > >> would be > >> right on it. > >> > >> It's glaring problem was it's MIDI clock out was > horrible. They > >> claim to > >> have fixed the clock out in v2 but I don't have > any personal > >> experience with > >> it. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On > >> Behalf Of > >> Tom Ritchford > >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 12:35 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Looking for a new looper > >> > >> > >> The Repeater is a fine MIDI clock source -- it's > pretty bad at > >> being a > >> MIDI clock slave. > >> > >> That said, this looks like a lovely machine and > quite cheap.... > >> anyone own > >> it? > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music > calendar > > http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... > > http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on > intermittently) > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 22:54:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D8493BF1A; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SoNjoN+PzOwS+Rp91y6axq0sdI8D9tOLaF7kGO5aHmgNqKCN+9+zqxvovVd8zcOWEGDgejWRUmSI6CoGxLcGizyyaj1s2T6YBOuLP754VTvnz6EVs6TGEp0Yf8rCjxrYndDQEHUH4XnbwKlQHphDFqo1bunU5hmJGbCppgxPFGM=; X-YMail-OSG: 9wKryGQVM1nqlFjyBOFWzAkaXV8EgndQclGdr4I4blWUT71upP0cvyaogXH4E1iPi1XmiYYcNSnFEGLWpfqGkOOlTK8yyO8.HsTDlaLZ2gSh6Jqk36o- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: composers and musicians being paid their royalties, was Fripp and Eno To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3529046B-F806-46FB-8B67-739EB391B4B5@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <260362.84463.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 22:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, thanx for mentioning this,i have no idea if the Gema is really working for me i am absolutely blind when it comes to this, the reason why i joined them back when we released our first CD is because you are forced to before CD duplication.I think this is bullshit forcing starting artists to pay a fee, the gema should allow new artists pressing from 500 to 1000 copies Gema free.The way i see it this organizations are only worth it if u are selling like hot pankakes, the are now plagued with burocrats smoking cigars getting richer and richer.We sold over 10,000 of our first CD back in 1998 and it took about 4 years to get any money from them!i can see also how this serves only as an obstacle for anything new musically happening,ive been turned down to play unwillingly forbar owners in some places in Munich because they had to pay big fines for even playing a CD!same thing with the fee you are forced to pay here for listening to crap radio and TV plagued with loud commercials. My quesion is how do we songwriters know where our music is being played and where the Gema is collecting? the statements that i get from them dont specify anything and also what happens if you dont belong to any performing rights organizations,that is where does the money goes? do you think that the scandinavian STIM would be any better? cheers Luis > > Speaking PRO's, it seems to me the Scandinavian > based STIM does a > pretty good job. But it all depends on you, as the > author of your > work, to properly register your work with the PRO. > There are > different kind of legal rights to music, the > author's rights are the > biggest part. Then there are so called neighboring > rights as well, > i.e. the rights of musicians that played on a > recording without > actually being the composer of the music. In Sweden > there is a > special "PRO" for those neighboringrights called > SAMI (Swedish > Artist's and Musician's Interest organization). I > recently, totally > unexpectedly, received a bit over a thousand > dollars that way for > "air plays abroad". No specification on which > country or which > recordings, so there's no way to know if the figure > is correct or > not. Maybe some track, with me as studio musician, > became a radio hit > somewhere in the world? It's like a lottery, I > think. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Jul 17 23:02:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1A3B3BF19; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZOVVgV3jV6hpDP1n0bVyHpdLHXzFNERUg0d8LLnyyuPoI/20l8ct2T/s0AXj24ZH3E+wHq1OdNQzeTeSgRHKx+LzBGQ8caZLpVeQVYtpXJSbaudGOEKBzrrgZNzQlxDize85MCpsVlZSWBVqK1EiKmQ1vtVMLldxBl2ed7gyo7I=; X-YMail-OSG: PEIX7sYVM1n72iuFFubAHpqiRl.zoCkDQFRMJNPwVIi4PU8W4ROh3WAE29vG5DQiJreaUf3szbxGMcDY.g6AiDrscb_lU.MH9hyoJnjodoGlcvBDIr1srgQiurUb5A-- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:02:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: question using 2 EDPs unsynced To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <469C7E1D.8020406@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <543850.25539.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:02:37 +0000 (UTC) hi gang, i know there has been a thread to this but i am still interested in trying this config till now ive been using my 2 EDPs in stereo.But it seems to me that not a lot of you prefer using them like this, any drawbacks?sometimes my 2 edps drift away out of sync which is making me reconsider getting rid of one and getting something else,its gotten to the point where i have to disconnect one when i play live so i dont have to go through this! thanx for you input Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 07:54:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 508F03BF06; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MtbkdMF5JqJNxoPDBFoEWTgjVvojlvelPt+BcYS96zEkGnBjC+zOABkgB4nJY43WmxlWCppLlzvnA7/iGDnI7iCl6ecU5WZ9G+Mwmg2lnwjvxOcbsF9VByaaqWoEg46dL/61ivtjd5Ox85Ss/qiLmrQPr50k029QwObs1O4tlUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oEfGqysUjPJ9W9Fk/+GJoNbFqrvb0YNpxaNa7N96m5heWcyTehD6P3m/E8+fAB/CV0HqLvbicnlAndmCerZVF1lsRPBoOriwXsIOtRiaB5Ogq0pG+/EcPEkUoNWLiar3gpCfmcxMUnCShLFoZcxmkkWtV6Eu3nnW4j3/rhpCs7w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:54:04 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question using 2 EDPs unsynced In-Reply-To: <543850.25539.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <469C7E1D.8020406@tiscali.co.uk> <543850.25539.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 07:54:07 +0000 (UTC) i remember that this option, 2 unsync EDP, was the favourite of my friend and teacher, markus reuter, in the past. he did some good ambient guitar cds with this configuration. check him at, of course: www.myspace.com/markusreuter my 2 cents, raul. 2007/7/18, L.A. Angulo : > hi gang, > i know there has been a thread to this but i am still > interested in trying this config till now ive been > using my 2 EDPs in stereo.But it seems to me that not > a lot of you prefer using them like this, any > drawbacks?sometimes my 2 edps drift away out of sync > which is making me reconsider getting rid of one and > getting something else,its gotten to the point where i > have to disconnect one when i play live so i dont have > to go through this! > thanx for you input > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 08:07:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D76D3BF1A; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 8278595-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.65.48.250 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=kkdO6189ypTHRWJJ7pgA:9 a=6gH0GoBl9cVL_6XkdBcA:7 a=ZhhwrXamzHhda5i_nE63rEqNgWwA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,549,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="8278595" Message-ID: <469DCA5A.2030609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:07:54 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question using 2 EDPs unsynced References: <543850.25539.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <543850.25539.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:07:55 +0000 (UTC) hi Luis, I also have the edp sync issue, but don't mind living dangerously. I wonder if the problem goes away if we give both edps the same midi controls at the same time ( rather than having the slave wait for midi to pass thru the master). How about 1) run a midi controller into a splitter box, and connect that to the midi-Ins of both edps 2) leave the brother sync cable in place 3) remove the short midi cable connecting the 2 edps. The disadvantage is that any parameter changes you want to do have to be done on both edps now (why I haven't used this setup), but using the midi controller for edp patch change is a good alternative to this anyway. Otherwise. 1) Remove brother sync cable 2) Change slave edp to SYNC=In The edp Midi sync is actually very good, it's not as close synced as brother sync, but it doesn't drift. When you have Overdub On, the edps will drift in Midi-sync, that's an issue that every where looping device has some sort of an issue. That's because the alternative to drifting is to record over the jump where the loop re-syncs, which would tend to cause a nasty glitch. Apart from this ( an issue that is simply ignored in many loop devices) the edp is a very good Midi-slave, as long as you don't expect it to follow tempo changes. I've actually had a situation live where I pulled out the brother-sync cable (and did slave SYNC=In) in order to get the edps back together. ...then forgot about the thing with overdub, and lost it again. andy butler L.A. Angulo wrote: > hi gang, > i know there has been a thread to this but i am still > interested in trying this config till now ive been > using my 2 EDPs in stereo.But it seems to me that not > a lot of you prefer using them like this, any > drawbacks?sometimes my 2 edps drift away out of sync > which is making me reconsider getting rid of one and > getting something else,its gotten to the point where i > have to disconnect one when i play live so i dont have > to go through this! > thanx for you input > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 08:53:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D4803BF23; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CuInJv8pcOfgSzvnYzImeQOPLyOKIlcBPuorVK0aesS7d+lLtJ6zeQluLK3EIOgfOeoQqJTtPHJej4X8gXPNWLde4MdmmW7PyJ2DtKakPG56KL76xUrzxqR9eJFwE2Jduah8svVASLqvnYKq4+EA4vCyyXY+Vxkx5yu2ZhDchc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=P8BLMDcfAJ6qNFf0KgaLR0K548mukb0ntFutkSxiYB8jf0jAV4bok1GNxzjJFZgDN2m1aUYv+hGVu8C01uFrtJUNpP44Xfql81NTVMf+RNEG/xewVVsMsIu8BUace7jm/xRUQgtghQlo39YJBTO2BSHjEnsziQb73Ki2rYHBqxc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <260362.84463.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <260362.84463.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C321647-0C3E-4A94-B782-F712D296ECDB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: composers and musicians being paid their royalties, was Fripp and Eno Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:53:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:53:25 +0000 (UTC) HI, To answer some of these question I need to state some facts first. There is a third legal right, connected to recorded music, that no one have yet mentioned in this thread and that is the right to embed a recording in some physical medium to fabricate copies. A record label has to achieve a license from the composer to do this. This is regulated by a fee per copy when you print/duplicate CD's and the printing plants look to it being done. But in your case, you are all three players in one person; you are the composer, you are the artist and you are the record label. This means you have to pay this "mechanization" license to yourself. In Scandinavia there is a danish organization named NCB (Nordic Copyright Bureau) that administrates this, in close collaboration with STIM. We have a certain legal exception that states that if you are both the composer and the record label (i.e. printing an issue of your own music) you can skip over this fee if not making more than 1000 copies in total. So, you're referred project did exceed that free zone by ten times! If you work with established record labels and publishers this "mechanization" NCB license can be good sent and bring lots of money to you (if you are the composer) before a record is even released. This happens if your label/publisher manages to pitch one track to some sampler album (a collection of different artists on one CD) because samplers are normally printed in huge issues, which means more money up front going to the composers for the mechanization license. If music is used in public and the composers are not associated with a PRO the performance money goes back to the PRO and typically into foundations of different kind. In Scandinavia STIM runs a lot of those and the money is given away every year as scholarships or gratifications to support young and talented composers/musicians. I can't answer for how this is handled in other countries though, but why not do a couple of phone calls and ask the guys that work with that? I did so here and even went for a little "interviewing tour" around record labels and publishing companies, to meet people for 30 minutes and put them all these kind of questions in person. Tell them you're writing an article or prepare a lecture or whatever, that's a door opener as good as any. > how do we songwriters know where our > music is being played and where the Gema is > collecting? We don't. The statement I receive from STIM doesn't either specify more than which registered work the money emanates from. Usually radio producers fill in lists of what music is being played on air, if this is not all automated by a computer system. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) On 18 jul 2007, at 00.54, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Per, > thanx for mentioning this,i have no idea if the Gema > is really working for me i am absolutely blind when it > comes to this, the reason why i joined them back when > we released our first CD is because you are forced to > before CD duplication.I think this is bullshit forcing > starting artists to pay a fee, the gema should allow > new artists pressing from 500 to 1000 copies Gema > free.The way i see it this organizations are only > worth it if u are selling like hot pankakes, the are > now plagued with burocrats smoking cigars getting > richer and richer.We sold over 10,000 of our first CD > back in 1998 and it took about 4 years to get any > money from them!i can see also how this serves only as > an obstacle for anything new musically happening,ive > been turned down to play unwillingly forbar owners in > some places in Munich because they had to pay big > fines for even playing a CD!same thing with the fee > you are forced to pay here for listening to crap radio > and TV plagued with loud commercials. > My quesion is how do we songwriters know where our > music is being played and where the Gema is > collecting? the statements that i get from them dont > specify anything and also what happens if you dont > belong to any performing rights organizations,that is > where does the money goes? do you think that the > scandinavian STIM would be any better? > cheers > Luis >> >> Speaking PRO's, it seems to me the Scandinavian >> based STIM does a >> pretty good job. But it all depends on you, as the >> author of your >> work, to properly register your work with the PRO. >> There are >> different kind of legal rights to music, the >> author's rights are the >> biggest part. Then there are so called neighboring >> rights as well, >> i.e. the rights of musicians that played on a >> recording without >> actually being the composer of the music. In Sweden >> there is a >> special "PRO" for those neighboringrights called >> SAMI (Swedish >> Artist's and Musician's Interest organization). I >> recently, totally >> unexpectedly, received a bit over a thousand >> dollars that way for >> "air plays abroad". No specification on which >> country or which >> recordings, so there's no way to know if the figure >> is correct or >> not. Maybe some track, with me as studio musician, >> became a radio hit >> somewhere in the world? It's like a lottery, I >> think. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> >> >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! 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--Part-boundary-xxxx-1_2-- --boundary-xxxx-1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 13:34:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E59173BF1C; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+hkwA90NKhT5aTVD0jufHpOXquox6WSsyNEgRYLG P4IbA8REwkv8x+ Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <469C7E1D.8020406@tiscali.co.uk> <543850.25539.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70b5a815e393cc11b42db925fe58e609@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: question using 2 EDPs unsynced Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:34:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Raul Markus Reuter's new myspace site seems to be: www.myspace.com/olderthangod Thanks for dropping the name - most interesting musician! Cheers Nico Am 18.07.2007 um 09:54 schrieb Raul Bonell: > i remember that this option, 2 unsync EDP, > was the favourite of my friend and teacher, > markus reuter, in the past. he did some good > ambient guitar cds with this configuration. > check him at, of course: > > www.myspace.com/markusreuter > > my 2 cents, > raul. > > 2007/7/18, L.A. Angulo : >> hi gang, >> i know there has been a thread to this but i am still >> interested in trying this config till now ive been >> using my 2 EDPs in stereo.But it seems to me that not >> a lot of you prefer using them like this, any >> drawbacks?sometimes my 2 edps drift away out of sync >> which is making me reconsider getting rid of one and >> getting something else,its gotten to the point where i >> have to disconnect one when i play live so i dont have >> to go through this! >> thanx for you input >> Luis >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ______________ >> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s >> user panel and lay it on us. >> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 >> >> > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > From info@bancaintesa.it Wed Jul 18 14:22:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 724 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:22:30 UTC Received: from mail.alfredangelo.com (mail.alfredangelo.com [198.138.250.130]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 997A83BEDF for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from djffsvr.alfredangelo.com ([10.7.1.11]) by mail.alfredangelo.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:07:45 -0400 Received: from User ([61.250.149.5]) by djffsvr.alfredangelo.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:07:05 -0400 Reply-To: From: "info@bancaintesa.it" Subject: Riattiva imediatamente il tuo conto Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:11:25 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2007 14:07:05.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBD98A10:01C7C944] To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Oggetto: Comunicazione nr. 12684 del 12 Giugno 2007 - Leggere con attenzione

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 18:18:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A9583BF22; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gtg5WXB/pMQM0JvkKpDbFMuzBPd+KVpY6pI/7Ot2n5KQw829BP3rpTAn9r+NaXJ6dEwv6fftUPBJZko4oAaRjKbm3uJH4zlMgTzgT2D7cYaLOQQJ0G6JflBli4khHCQiYddcPzI8qjmMJJAQ5GP8y8mjDQ+IaFIJzeQBveKNq7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GlsI7+3pS6LqJb49Y4TufgItkC+0Wqd4ZVcZq5249MLNAuaU8C86CMGE9W5UwgDt13wlwKMYSG9+EJsI+gbUuZUrJHqx7L3Q/TlK5AYx39To37bMjAnweaBtYihGSfoLRflI9PEPrVpMFzhZgUoS8QGPx9ttAB7axKPAhOMv3o4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:18:26 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: question using 2 EDPs unsynced In-Reply-To: <70b5a815e393cc11b42db925fe58e609@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <469C7E1D.8020406@tiscali.co.uk> <543850.25539.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <70b5a815e393cc11b42db925fe58e609@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:18:28 +0000 (UTC) sorry, yes!... so people is not stupid but i am -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 18:28:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AC843BF2A; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:31:13 -0700 Subject: Eclipse 1200.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <105CA7AF-355D-11DC-A5D7-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC) I really need to sell this(my looperlative too) 1200.00(cash only) takes the Eclipse. 2400.00 takes the Eclipse,Looperlative,controllers and the 4 space rack.. Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 18:38:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F293BF29; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Eclipse 1200.00 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:38:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c7c96a$e2449410$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfJaXjfHMevG2UATuCCsq1cHZjjqAAAMm2g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <105CA7AF-355D-11DC-A5D7-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52jugKwY= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:38:29 +0000 (UTC) As Scott's initial post only triggered a discussion why in the hell he sells the stuff, let me just add this here: The eclipse is an excellent-sounding effect with a lot of very powerful algorithms. Very professional (all the connections you could dream of, including XLR and 1/4 in/out, SPDIF, AES/EBU, TOSLINK, you name it, two connectors for expression pedals), decimal keyboard. One (negative) review on harmony central said under the "quality of sound" heading: this should be renamed "quantity of sound". For this effect, Fripp's quote "this remains the best way to make a lot of noise with one guitar" is in order. I believe that the Eclipse/Looperlative combo is the most powerfull stuff you can do with 2HUs worth of rackspace. Highly recommended for loopers who want to go really pro. Rainer > I really need to sell this(my looperlative too) 1200.00(cash > only) takes the Eclipse. > 2400.00 takes the Eclipse,Looperlative,controllers and the 4 > space rack.. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Jul 18 18:51:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D3CA3BF21; Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:54:08 -0700 Subject: Re: Eclipse 1200.00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <105CA7AF-355D-11DC-A5D7-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <43AC46FC-3560-11DC-A5D7-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:51:38 +0000 (UTC) oh, I'm in the sf bay area(oakland) On Wednesday, July 18, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Scott Drengsen wrote: > > I really need to sell this(my looperlative too) > 1200.00(cash only) takes the Eclipse. > 2400.00 takes the Eclipse,Looperlative,controllers and the 4 space > rack.. > Thanks > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 10:35:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DDA63BF1F; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:33:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <469F3E10.1080805@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <80AdwC.A.soC.X5znGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:35:04 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Jim Cole and Spectral Voices. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Way Beyond" on Spectral Spiral. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#jul Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 12:57:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C393BF23; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:57:11 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Yfjh674eo5fYN8T7uwXvuw)" Thread-index: AcfKBFBhe9lC0RsURuSGjuRPxI6eXg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:57:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Yfjh674eo5fYN8T7uwXvuw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT OK, so I did something crazy for EM2007 and brought a vintage archtop and a Peruvian ceramic flute as my sound sources for looping. Mike Hunter from ombient.com was kind enough to offer to videotape my performance, and so I've put one of the pieces up on youtube (in two parts, because it's a 12-minute piece and they have a 10-minute limit) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqovYQJrz9Q and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRC5TrUKMqo. The sound isn't perfect - the video recorder wasn't plugged into the board, just picking up room sound - but I'm pretty happy with the way it came out, and I hope some of you will check it out and enjoy it. Warren warrensirota.com --Boundary_(ID_Yfjh674eo5fYN8T7uwXvuw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

OK, so I did something crazy for EM2007 and brought a vintage archtop and a Peruvian ceramic flute as my sound sources for looping. Mike Hunter from ombient.com was kind enough to offer to videotape my performance, and so I’ve put one of the pieces up on youtube (in two parts, because it’s a 12-minute piece and they have a 10-minute limit) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqovYQJrz9Q and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRC5TrUKMqo. The sound isn’t perfect – the video recorder wasn’t plugged into the board, just picking up room sound – but I’m pretty happy with the way it came out, and I hope some of you will check it out and enjoy it.

 

Warren

warrensirota.com

--Boundary_(ID_Yfjh674eo5fYN8T7uwXvuw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:27:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FEE83BF28; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <469F66B9.60904@infonie.fr> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:27:21 +0200 From: Didier Robin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex foot pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000757-4, 18/07/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Hello! I'm a happy owner of an EDP+. So far, I've been using it with a midi controller (FC200), but I'm planning to buy an Echoplex foot pedal for an easier "everyday" use. The problem is I live in France, and it seems to be difficult (and expensive!) to get one here. Does anyone have a foot pedal to sell, around here? Or would it be possible for someone to buy one for me in USA and send it to France? I hope you can help. Regards, Didier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:35:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A4143BF1E; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=raCg8xsthf9qdJTlBdmQjuIJBOvOgLxcWCTxgfreHB+HLXyFaCOXRhDIYZYc9IvXauhUuQyId/81oHwZekS4OBzvg17kdvHCReNG1qZihkdAS6bFDjwz8ZuhCaaNBxOcJMrR1Bmn5ArcFbyUk+gkmcfkiIqmVqO1mHcsV/fhdJ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=K1GRIxV5ARHZMghWrbk/3GXznBUA8Vl1ou6vFMNDLqcmwKXLJD+bvi65vs30XWuwh5e2FbcQTIZQCQ+zEDYRVW5tzMthJpZuoBCIDwm51Rdf2QroYqWWd/f0jl8TROFXohWeOF7JB09YuWoJC88BdCaOAZz0LlblL/TSkj5cVko= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:34:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:35:02 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jul 2007, at 14.57, Warren Sirota wrote: > OK, so I did something crazy for EM2007 and brought a vintage =20 > archtop and a Peruvian ceramic flute as my sound sources for =20 > looping. Mike Hunter from ombient.com was kind enough to offer to =20 > videotape my performance, and so I=92ve put one of the pieces up on =20= > youtube (in two parts, because it=92s a 12-minute piece and they have =20= > a 10-minute limit) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DuqovYQJrz9Q =20 > and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiRC5TrUKMqo. The sound isn=92t =20= > perfect =96 the video recorder wasn=92t plugged into the board, just =20= > picking up room sound =96 but I=92m pretty happy with the way it came =20= > out, and I hope some of you will check it out and enjoy it. Thaks, I definitely enjoyed this! The video cam's built-in compressor =20= sounds very good at the very beginning of the first part, I think. =20 Gives the overall sound, live guitar plus looped guitar drone, a =20 sitar-like feel :-) Like if the looped stuff were resonating =20 sympathetically your played notes. If course it doesn't work that =20 way, but that's how I hear it. BTW, was that your own custom built =20 Max/MSP looper in action? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:39:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD3023BF27; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: 19 Jul 2007 15:39:16 +0200 Message-ID: <44871.62.2.75.66.1184852356.squirrel@webmail.perspectix.com> From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" Reply-To: loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=-@bernhardwagner.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <469F66B9.60904@infonie.fr> References: <469F66B9.60904@infonie.fr> Subject: Re: Echoplex foot pedal User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <-fjD4D.A.HYE.Gm2nGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:39:18 +0000 (UTC) I'd recommend building one. It has an ingeniously simple design: http://loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#custom The resistor values are a bit odd for Europe, but I managed to build a pedal by combining other more common resistor values (parallel or series). Here's a German site explaining the European standard for resistor values http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites/bau/1109071.htm Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:53:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 357513BF37; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <469F6CE6.7070802@infonie.fr> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:53:42 +0200 From: Didier Robin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex foot pedal References: <469F66B9.60904@infonie.fr> In-Reply-To: <469F66B9.60904@infonie.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000757-4, 18/07/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Well, that's a good idea, thanks. I've already considered doing that, but I'm really hopeless, I guess I won't be abble to do that, except if someone posts an accurate building plan... Moreover, I have a serious lack of time... Nobody can sell an original pedal to me? Pleaaaase! Didier Bernhard Wagner LD a écrit : > I'd recommend building one. It has an ingeniously simple design: > http://loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html#custom > > The resistor values are a bit odd for Europe, but I managed to build a > pedal by combining other more common resistor values (parallel or > series). > > Here's a German site explaining the European standard for resistor values > http://www.elektronik-kompendium.de/sites/bau/1109071.htm > > Bernhard > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 13:58:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D42743BF25; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:58:50 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 In-reply-to: <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002d01c7ca0c$ef02e0b0$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfKCbhdfTcZHpUGRKKUSMpOaSVYlgAAoZhA References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <950L8C.A.BoF.i42nGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Yup, that was the perpetual work-in-progress. I was coding some things at 2AM the night before (naturally), so I didn't have as much under foot control as I usually prefer - there was more computer keyboard interaction than usual for me. But it was appropriate for the context - many people were twisting knobs and the like. And I think some of that resonating might have been going on through the guitar body - fuzz and acoustic together tend to do that. Thanks for checking it out. Warren -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 9:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 On 19 jul 2007, at 14.57, Warren Sirota wrote: > OK, so I did something crazy for EM2007 and brought a vintage > archtop and a Peruvian ceramic flute as my sound sources for > looping. Mike Hunter from ombient.com was kind enough to offer to > videotape my performance, and so I've put one of the pieces up on > youtube (in two parts, because it's a 12-minute piece and they have > a 10-minute limit) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqovYQJrz9Q > and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRC5TrUKMqo. The sound isn't > perfect - the video recorder wasn't plugged into the board, just > picking up room sound - but I'm pretty happy with the way it came > out, and I hope some of you will check it out and enjoy it. Thaks, I definitely enjoyed this! The video cam's built-in compressor sounds very good at the very beginning of the first part, I think. Gives the overall sound, live guitar plus looped guitar drone, a sitar-like feel :-) Like if the looped stuff were resonating sympathetically your played notes. If course it doesn't work that way, but that's how I hear it. BTW, was that your own custom built Max/MSP looper in action? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 14:13:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29F603BEE4; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <002d01c7ca0c$ef02e0b0$0402a8c0@macbookxp> References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <002d01c7ca0c$ef02e0b0$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:13:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:13:40 +0000 (UTC) On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > And I think some of that resonating might have been going on through > the > guitar body - fuzz and acoustic together tend to do that. inflate a balloon in each f hole - helps control resonating/ boominess/ feedback when amplifying an acoustic archtop .... 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Wishing you the best, Administrator, Postcards.Org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 14:35:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9ED3BF25; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LNsaAafAatfxWkqRl3XON86rVyxOeMHWyCDdkgDnyWY0+JaZdrx/w9Oy5E0dLWSrJuZMkf9WRCbt28q/flqqZp9PumS8TjLjIBvfuy5hRF/mdQHDGECASEYHokbFMwDWQDUjqA1GomN2pmxHzNEpZvheEk886ADv205JuhTbbpM=; X-YMail-OSG: RbNu2mcVM1mekcZZ7LOn81u55Qi1t1j2AmHagOnXcZTSaEx0g_oHJXHJxs6zJ5jScvOP1mTbBQL0XBcfiN6EdYbbE8t0lmqI2jAnMoBgwGxdNktkby8- Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: question using 2 EDPs unsynced To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <469DCA5A.2030609@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <318615.56623.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-ViSLC.A.yoH.ha3nGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Andy,yes i remeber trying this before i had a brother sync stereo cable and having them drift when overdub was on,really a pitty do we stand a chance of another EDP software upgrade? anyway,have u used them as 2 separate units with one controller(FCB1010)? any drawbacks? i lost the mail you or Kim once sent about how to do this setup,would you mind sending it again? i am really tempted to try it! Thanx peace Luis --- andy butler wrote: > hi Luis, > > I also have the edp sync issue, but don't mind > living dangerously. > > I wonder if the problem goes away if we give both > edps the same > midi controls at the same time ( rather than having > the slave wait for > midi to pass thru the master). > How about > 1) run a midi controller into a splitter box, and > connect that to > the midi-Ins of both edps > 2) leave the brother sync cable in place > 3) remove the short midi cable connecting the 2 > edps. > The disadvantage is that any parameter changes you > want to do > have to be done on both edps now (why I haven't used > this setup), > but using the midi controller for edp patch change > is a good > alternative to this anyway. > > Otherwise. > 1) Remove brother sync cable > 2) Change slave edp to SYNC=In > The edp Midi sync is actually very good, it's not as > close > synced as brother sync, but it doesn't drift. > > When you have Overdub On, the edps will drift in > Midi-sync, > that's an issue that every where looping device has > some sort of an issue. > That's because the alternative to drifting is to > record over the jump where > the loop re-syncs, which would tend to cause a nasty > glitch. > > Apart from this ( an issue that is simply ignored in > many loop devices) the edp is > a very good Midi-slave, as long as you don't expect > it to follow tempo changes. > > > I've actually had a situation live where I pulled > out the brother-sync cable > (and did slave SYNC=In) > in order to get the edps back together. > ...then forgot about the thing with overdub, and > lost it again. > > andy butler > > > > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > hi gang, > > i know there has been a thread to this but i am > still > > interested in trying this config till now ive been > > using my 2 EDPs in stereo.But it seems to me that > not > > a lot of you prefer using them like this, any > > drawbacks?sometimes my 2 edps drift away out of > sync > > which is making me reconsider getting rid of one > and > > getting something else,its gotten to the point > where i > > have to disconnect one when i play live so i dont > have > > to go through this! > > thanx for you input > > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 15:45:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE7D3BF28; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=nh3TgBUDIM2RH/q2yowsvYDkblJDQ/MBLLaMDAM6CeGFIz5xCyB5zC5LmhkJRHxZL3/3EkegUQgiEAXotXdtGghbGLK/HNUpJbkmPH7jvDdpwVsAP4f5Bt6QhGLYhXLQE57Y7JsD65QqtupvdJBA+AgbziZJ55mhP2BtjNDwvQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=ZXzL0JTYCvab3HBgc2Duwm5m2EmvwzkTdfPDZcrdZ2qbWttLn9M09hbEzviELbB7EVbKJSja+DEpuKZes093xS7YWCBbz+/lzT0uFNmhANLDKaz2Vfhva9pIkSM1kqdBfjXdoMmydnxOPYmc24G9vyvyN0olqxFYA7Ua469i1t4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6A4BA2ED-ABA1-46C3-84C5-CBE24C7E6A4D@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Civitas Urbanus (new album release) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:45:45 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:50 +0000 (UTC) My new album "Civitas Urbanus" is offered as free donation-ware at http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/6583/ Album notes: 2007 is an important year. For the first time in human history more people are living in cities, compared to living in other areas on the planet's surface. I let this amazing fact inspire me during the difficult task of cutting down one year of musical exploration to less than one hour. The twelve instrumental pieces are all solo perfomance work, played on the instruments Alto Traverse Flute, Tenor Sax, Fretless Sustainiac Guitar, Stratocaster Twang Bar Guitar and Akai EWI 4000s. EWI stands for "Electric Wind Instrument" and is to be played similar to a sax or a clarinet. I play both the EWI's built-in synthesizer sounds and use it as a MIDI controller for virtual instruments provided by the software Logic Pro. Most songs were created and recorded as instant improvisations with the real-time sampling/ looping software Mobius. I personally regard also Mobius as my instrument, since I'm really experiencing that I'm playing Mobius with my foot controller board while also playing the above mentioned instruments with my hands. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 16:23:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4559C3BF35; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:23:54 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00bd01c7ca21$352dbd30$0402a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfKDx1nzGfB7raNRl6qOWr2oMtmxwAEeEUg References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <002d01c7ca0c$ef02e0b0$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: <64XytC.A.xJF.eA5nGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that's an interesting technique. I wasn't thinking that the resonance was a *bad* thing in this case, but I'll remember what you said should I ever need to play the guitar at higher volumes. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mimlitsch [mailto:pmimlitsch@mac.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > And I think some of that resonating might have been going on through > the > guitar body - fuzz and acoustic together tend to do that. inflate a balloon in each f hole - helps control resonating/ boominess/ feedback when amplifying an acoustic archtop .... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 17:33:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CC703BF25; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:32:41 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: Civitas Urbanus (new album release) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <009c01c7ca2a$d101c5e0$6401a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6A4BA2ED-ABA1-46C3-84C5-CBE24C7E6A4D@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Dear Per, I've been a big big fan of your artistry since I first heard your performances as was captured from the Y2K6 shows. I just want you to know that your music and artistic direction has been a big inspiration for my own creative pursuits. I hope to be as inspiring to others as you are to me. Tanx for sharing your music with me all the rest who witness your beauty. :) Regards Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:45 PM Subject: Civitas Urbanus (new album release) > My new album "Civitas Urbanus" is offered as free donation-ware at > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/6583/ > > Album notes: > 2007 is an important year. For the first time in human history more > people are living in cities, compared to living in other areas on the > planet's surface. I let this amazing fact inspire me during the difficult > task of cutting down one year of musical exploration to less than one > hour. > > The twelve instrumental pieces are all solo perfomance work, played on > the instruments Alto Traverse Flute, Tenor Sax, Fretless Sustainiac > Guitar, Stratocaster Twang Bar Guitar and Akai EWI 4000s. EWI stands for > "Electric Wind Instrument" and is to be played similar to a sax or a > clarinet. I play both the EWI's built-in synthesizer sounds and use it as > a MIDI controller for virtual instruments provided by the software Logic > Pro. Most songs were created and recorded as instant improvisations with > the real-time sampling/ looping software Mobius. I personally regard also > Mobius as my instrument, since I'm really experiencing that I'm playing > Mobius with my foot controller board while also playing the above > mentioned instruments with my hands. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 17:36:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FB4C3BF34; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:35:56 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c901c7ca2b$45308280$6401a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5Pb/pMVCkVf8kFgTkskZwg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:36:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_5Pb/pMVCkVf8kFgTkskZwg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Warren tanx for sharing that breathtaking performance. I was a teen when I learnt alot from your Electronic guitar columns on Guitar Player mags. :) Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 OK, so I did something crazy for EM2007 and brought a vintage archtop and a Peruvian ceramic flute as my sound sources for looping. Mike Hunter from ombient.com was kind enough to offer to videotape my performance, and so I've put one of the pieces up on youtube (in two parts, because it's a 12-minute piece and they have a 10-minute limit) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqovYQJrz9Q and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRC5TrUKMqo. The sound isn't perfect - the video recorder wasn't plugged into the board, just picking up room sound - but I'm pretty happy with the way it came out, and I hope some of you will check it out and enjoy it. Warren warrensirota.com --Boundary_(ID_5Pb/pMVCkVf8kFgTkskZwg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Warren tanx for sharing that = breathtaking=20 performance. I was a teen when I learnt alot from your Electronic guitar = columns=20 on Guitar Player mags. :)
 
Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo)
Hp 97584919
http://www.sound= click.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm
http://www.myspace.com/the_emb= ryo
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Warren=20 Sirota
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 = 8:57=20 PM
Subject: Vintage archtop = looping video -=20 Warren at EM2007

OK, so I did something = crazy for=20 EM2007 and brought a vintage archtop and a Peruvian ceramic flute as = my sound=20 sources for looping. Mike Hunter from ombient.com was kind enough to = offer to=20 videotape my performance, and so I=92ve put one of the pieces up on = youtube (in=20 two parts, because it=92s a 12-minute piece and they have a 10-minute = limit) at=20 http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DuqovYQJrz9Q=20 and http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3DiRC5TrUKMqo.=20 The sound isn=92t perfect =96 the video recorder wasn=92t plugged into = the board,=20 just picking up room sound =96 but I=92m pretty happy with the way it = came out,=20 and I hope some of you will check it out and enjoy=20 it.

 

Warren

warrensirota.com

--Boundary_(ID_5Pb/pMVCkVf8kFgTkskZwg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 19:15:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9687A3BF0D; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070719141507.l6vig0b2wcoc4wsw@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:15:07 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: LoopersDelight Subject: Question about Mobius and Surround Sound MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps someone can answer my question... I am running Mobius as a VST plugin under Cubase SX3. I would like to assign tracks to different VST "ports", so that I can utilize Surround sound. It appears, though, that no matter how I set up the VST ports, that the only signal path is channels 1 and 2 (that is, the front channels). Is this a limitation with Cubase SX3? Would an upgrade to Cubase 4 solve this? Thank you for any advice on this topic. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 19:43:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC2663BF2A; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220077419194313826@M2W026.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:43:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Relays-External: [ ip=168.144.108.26 rdns=m2w026.mail2web.com helo=M2W026.mail2web.com by=xsmtp04.mail2web.com ident= envfrom=qua@oregon.com intl=0 id=1IBbu5-0005lh-RX auth= ] X-Spam-Relays-Internal: X-Spam-Relays-Untrusted: X-Spam-Relays-Trusted: [ ip=168.144.108.26 rdns=m2w026.mail2web.com helo=M2W026.mail2web.com by=xsmtp04.mail2web.com ident= envfrom=qua@oregon.com intl=0 id=1IBbu5-0005lh-RX auth= ] Subject: RE: Question about Mobius and Surround Sound Resent-Message-ID: <33V7U.A.F3.V77nGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I think that your host appl needs to be able to output to multiple channels=2E for example, Sonar6 boasts a surround mixing buss=2E =20 -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger=2Ecom Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:15:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom Subject: Question about Mobius and Surround Sound Perhaps someone can answer my question=2E=2E=2E I am running Mobius as a VST plugin under Cubase SX3=2E I would like to assign tracks to different VST "ports", so that I can =20 utilize Surround sound=2E It appears, though, that no matter how I set =20= up the VST ports, that the only signal path is channels 1 and 2 (that =20 is, the front channels)=2E Is this a limitation with Cubase SX3=3F Would an upgrade to Cubase 4 =20= solve this=3F Thank you for any advice on this topic=2E -- Kevin -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 19:54:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D83323BF33; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Question about Mobius and Surround Sound Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:55:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C3FF890@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20070719141507.l6vig0b2wcoc4wsw@69.89.21.76> Thread-Topic: Question about Mobius and Surround Sound Thread-Index: AcfKOSRWZvMHX8/IQjm1yx5UIPHtyAABJ8vA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 References: <20070719141507.l6vig0b2wcoc4wsw@69.89.21.76> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <2JiWeC.A.xgB.JG8nGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:54:49 +0000 (UTC) > I would like to assign tracks to different VST "ports", so that I can > utilize Surround sound. It appears, though, that no matter how I set > up the VST ports, that the only signal path is channels 1 and 2 (that > is, the front channels). The VST host must support plugins that have more than one stereo pair of input and output "pins". Many do not, especially DAWs, because this is a rare plugin feature and it complicates the user interface. Live supports this as do the so called "modular" hosts like Bidule, EnergyXT, and AudioMulch. > Is this a limitation with Cubase SX3? Would an upgrade to Cubase 4= =20 > solve this? It has been a long time since I looked at Cubase, but I think the demo=20 LE version I used did not support multi-port plugins. I don't know if Cubase 4 added this, make sure before you pay for an upgrade. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Jul 19 20:42:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B8B3BF2C; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:42:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=WgGDo2PJB0+BN298QEtrw+HrdWFSwUE/4ixjEACmhd48w5DA3tLFIl9kHFiNF4qQal04J9AonVchAD3G5VBLX2czCMehVmpl6XBxVSqsjqC6ezh23aCoK59vrjB9CoW00OGsL8BlZzrSxruR5Yioh3fcTW5+oyh97IQDTuabeVw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=AA2085NFw+zrqSqgRCGVZat8UIOFv3Q38+TQNvZQ2GrYkVhVgRnb5TAKf4dmOLTFr7lvfYyI707Nfe6337Td39pkepTHsSVA8Mc6pjTBRGMXSf+0zU3YKT0j1t3QvihMZ3dUbMdH9DBPZGrdMFglQ5iB5aC+TZrX189GFBdMgyU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070719141507.l6vig0b2wcoc4wsw@69.89.21.76> References: <20070719141507.l6vig0b2wcoc4wsw@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <66D32510-5700-4519-BF7D-FF2D1404DA52@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Question about Mobius and Surround Sound Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:42:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8LaCSD.A.zME.xy8nGB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:42:25 +0000 (UTC) On 19 jul 2007, at 21.15, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Is this a limitation with Cubase SX3? I guess so. But I honestly don't remember, it's been at least five years since I bought SX3 and I only owned it for a short time. But wasn't the deal back then that you had to invest in Nuendo to utilize surround mixing? If so, SX3 probably doesn't support multichannel output plug-ins nor surround mixing. But don't you have a manual for SX? Or send in a post on the Cubase list! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 00:21:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B1EF3BF22; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1787.74.70.98.21.1184890900.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: --loopers used in Pseudophone's new release "Reach"-- From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, Fellow LD-er Hoby and i have a brand new release out that makes heavy use of the following loopers: - Electrix Repeater - Oberheim Echoplex DP - Lexicon Jamman - Lexicon Vortex - Line-6 DL-4 Pseudophone's new EP "Reach" is available for free download at the netlabel, Negative Sound Institute: http://www.negativesoundinstitute.com/pseudophone.php We'd love to know what folks think, and hey--it's free! With netlabel releases, there really isn't the chance via liner notes to thank people. If there were i would be listing there Kim Flint, Rick Walker, Tim Nelson, Per Boysen, the late Richard Zvonar, Michael LaMeyer, David Kirkdorffer, Ted Killian, and so many others on Loopers Delight who have been inspirational over the last 11 years through great advice and information sharing, humor, shared experience, and leads to the vast variety of amazing music out there by artists using the tools and techniques we're all here to discuss. This is a wonderful community. So THANK YOU all! Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY AVAILAIBLE NOW! Pseudophone's "Reach" A free EP from Negative Sound Institute http://www.negativesoundinstitute.com/ http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 04:21:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F36A3BF1C; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <016e01c7ca04$52a54030$0402a8c0@macbookxp> <53163752-C14D-4093-9993-9947D02BFF2A@gmail.com> <002d01c7ca0c$ef02e0b0$0402a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E8EFDF7-CE17-446A-A381-135C6A861576@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Vintage archtop looping video - Warren at EM2007 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 00:21:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Brightmail-scanned: yes Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:21:44 +0000 (UTC) ooh... I like that idea... thanks Teddy On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > inflate a balloon in each f hole - helps control resonating/ > boominess/ feedback when amplifying an acoustic archtop .... From member@ebay.com Fri Jul 20 04:36:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2267 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:36:35 UTC Received: from ewirelessgy.com (66-178-31-2.reverse.newskies.net [66.178.31.2]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D14D3BED0 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [59.163.11.41] by ewirelessgy.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.10) id A1AA0200; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:53:14 -0400 From: "eBay Member kevinmcn" Subject: Question from eBay Member regarding Item #99054574368 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:23:53 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200707192354187.SM02944@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Jul 20 08:07:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE2883BF22; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: way ot: internet radio browser Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:07:13 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c7caa4$fb0f9c20$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfKpPqToDhGORfWQZG8p+8VCt1axQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:07:19 +0000 (UTC) http://tun3r.com amazing. I thought many of you might like this -michael From ended@ebay.com Fri Jul 20 09:01:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 743 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:01:05 UTC Received: from mail.optionsvic.org.au (CPE-61-9-140-225.static.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.140.225]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC8A3BF23; Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([210.70.82.129]) by mail.optionsvic.org.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:48:27 +1000 Reply-To: From: "Account Security Notice: eBay Auction(s) Cancelled" Subject: FPA NOTICE: eBay Registration Suspension - User Agreement - Abusing eBay Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:48:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2007 08:48:28.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDDE1DD0:01C7CAAA] To: undisclosed-recipients:;
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